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13:35 <foxtrotter> anyone here?
25:51 <Avatar> yep
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26:02 <Avatar> ok bye
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18:45 <canine> hey it worked
19:02 <canine> anyone around?
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45:44 <foxtrotter> anyone here to help me out?
46:05 <foxtrotter> I got a question regarding submitting the character PDF sheet
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19:08 <Ballig> foxtrotter: are you using foxit?
23:10 <foxtrotter> eys
23:11 <foxtrotter> yes
23:19 <Ballig> what's the issue
23:33 <foxtrotter> I don't know my character number that it asks for in the third question
23:41 <Ballig> ahh
23:50 <Ballig> have we made a character for you yet
24:01 <foxtrotter> i don't think so, i have an  account
24:07 <foxtrotter> but no character
24:08 <Ballig> what's the character name
24:14 <foxtrotter> Mishandra
24:46 <Ballig> I've added it, the character number is 385
24:49 <foxtrotter> thanks
25:11 <foxtrotter> I'll be uploading the PDF as soon as i get all the info filled out again
25:19 <Ballig> you have to fill it out again?
25:35 <foxtrotter> yeah i submitted it with a random number for my character
25:40 <foxtrotter> and it didn't work obviously
25:42 <Ballig> but you didn't save the PDF?
25:50 <foxtrotter> I printed it
26:01 <Ballig> but didn't save it? :P
26:08 <foxtrotter> nope, sorry
26:13 <Ballig> ha weird
26:16 <foxtrotter> it will only take like 8 minutes
26:23 <Ballig> yeah it's pretty quick
26:25 <foxtrotter> not a lot going on, just level 1
26:38 <foxtrotter> any special rules i should know for PFS lvl 1 character?
26:59 <Ballig> as long as you've followed the rules in the guide to organised play you should be fine
27:05 <foxtrotter> ok, thanks
27:07 <Ballig> 20 point buy, 150 gold
27:12 <foxtrotter> got it
27:13 <Ballig> 2 traits, cant' take rich parents
27:19 <foxtrotter> ok
28:13 <Ballig> how do you want the credit for yesterday's game? do you want it straight away (for 500 gold) or when you get to level 3 (I think you have to take it at the 3-4 subtier, so it'll be 1278 gold)?
28:41 <foxtrotter> ah, 500 sounds good
28:57 <foxtrotter> what about the Prestige? and the Boons? do i get those too?
29:04 <Ballig> yeah you get them
29:10 <foxtrotter> any fame? what is fame?
29:23 <Ballig> basically fame is the total amount of prestige you've earned in your career
29:28 <Ballig> prestige is what you have left after spending some
29:28 <foxtrotter> oh, ok
29:31 <foxtrotter> i see
29:54 <Ballig> that first boon is pretty decent for a first level character
30:15 <foxtrotter> yeah, the diplomacy one, and the Master of blades one is good too
30:50 <foxtrotter> so does my character have 1 XP then?
30:55 <Ballig> yeah
30:58 <foxtrotter> cool
31:02 <Ballig> what's your PFS number?
31:06 <foxtrotter> 47948
31:08 <foxtrotter> -1
31:14 <foxtrotter> 47948-1
32:14 <Ballig> and I'm giving you the same faction that you had yesterday
32:19 <foxtrotter> yes
35:11 <Ballig> how do you want me to send you the chronicle sheet? email?
35:18 <foxtrotter> that sounds good
36:48 <Ballig> okay it's sent
36:52 <foxtrotter> thanks
36:57 <Ballig> you keep those sheets so that anyone can audit your character if they need to
37:12 <foxtrotter> ok, sounds good
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16:06 <Ballig> sup hydrazine
16:14 <Hydrazine> yo.
17:04 <Hydrazine> How you doing, Ballig?
17:11 <Hydrazine> Turns out level 4 does alot for old Jerus.
17:22 <Ballig> better than a slap in the face with a cold fish
17:40 <Hydrazine> You seem somehow experienced in this.
18:12 <Ballig> :p
18:17 <Ballig> what are you taking as your bonus feat?
18:24 <Hydrazine> furious focus.
18:32 <Hydrazine> I already updated his sheet.
18:36 <Ballig> is 4 BAB when you get the increased power attack?
18:40 <Hydrazine> Yes.
18:43 <Ballig> nice
18:48 <Hydrazine> and the belt.
18:57 <Ballig> so 22 strength?
18:58 <Hydrazine> So hes rolling 1d20+11, 1d12+15.
19:27 <Hydrazine> Its almost like hes a guy who wants to hammer things until they don't move anymore.
20:29 <Ballig> yep yep
21:19 <Hydrazine> Never thought the CMD bonus from improved trip would save a character's life.
21:36 <Ballig> ha
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43:20 <foxtrotter> hey hey
43:43 <Ballig> foxtrotter: couldnt' get the PDF to submit?
43:54 <foxtrotter> So I finally uploaded my text character sheet, but I am not sure if the PDF was successfully uploaded or not
44:09 <Ballig> it uploads it as a text character sheet
44:10 <foxtrotter> i didn't get a confirmation of it
44:15 <Ballig> the PDF won't confirm
44:19 <foxtrotter> oh, ok
44:22 <Ballig> try and submit it now
44:24 <Ballig> I'll tell you if it worked
44:32 <foxtrotter> i already did the text version
44:36 <foxtrotter> and it worked
44:42 <Ballig> yeah, try and submit from the PDF
45:00 <foxtrotter> i will have to fill it all out again, it doesn't save the info typed it
45:10 <Ballig> you don't save it after you fill it out?
45:20 <foxtrotter> it can't, 
45:24 <Ballig> if it's foxit, it can
45:28 <foxtrotter> it says that the info typed in won't be saved
45:30 <foxtrotter> oh, i see
45:34 <foxtrotter> never thought about that
45:37 <Ballig> I thought that was the first question I asked :P
45:44 <Ballig> it can't submit if it's adobe, adobe is shit
45:48 <foxtrotter> i see
45:51 <Ballig> foxit is a superior PDF reader in every way
46:13 <foxtrotter> i won't bother with the PDF any way, i got the character uploaded
46:19 <foxtrotter> i am fine with that
46:22 <Ballig> the PDF uploads a better sheet
46:30 <Ballig> compare: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=385
46:32 <Spaceshot> lies ballig, foxit doesn't know how to conform to modern media times and how to waste billions on marketting instead of development
46:34 <Ballig> to: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=269
46:47 <Ballig> Spaceshot: the program is superior
46:51 <Ballig> regardless of marketing
47:25 <Ballig> foxtrotter: that character sheet for Bobbob was submitted using the PDF
47:29 <Spaceshot> this one is lacking in their condesenion detector
47:35 <foxtrotter> I see
47:43 <Ballig> condescension
47:47 <Spaceshot> that word
47:52 <Ballig> I got it a bit late
48:09 <foxtrotter> well, if I get around to it, I'll redo the PDF and save it this time, and try to upload it
48:18 <Spaceshot> too busy getting the bullshitting chip upgraded to surpass others?
48:22 <Ballig> it would get a bit tiresom doing it three times :p
48:34 <Spaceshot> it's not worth doing it again now
48:37 <foxtrotter> so, any other games going on besides the ones listed in the schedule?
48:49 <Spaceshot> when your character levels to a point where a lot of shit changes, then think about it again
48:55 <foxtrotter> ok
49:07 <Spaceshot> foxtrotter: there is a reasonable chance of non-scheduled games happining
49:13 <foxtrotter> i see
49:25 <Ballig> I'll be running a game on sunday but it'll likely be a module already in swing
49:28 <foxtrotter> well, it is raining here in California, so I am inside all day
49:29 <Spaceshot> like if I wanted to, I could run one right now, I've got time but I really doubt anyone else is on/awake/able
49:48 <Spaceshot> CoTE is finnally being played?
49:49 <Ballig> ha, weird. the website knows that daylight savings starts next sunday
49:56 <Ballig> er, ends next sunday
50:10 <Ballig> so it's given me the time for this saturday's game in GMT+11, but the 14 april one is in GMT+10
50:33 <Spaceshot> smart stolen/used code is smart
50:40 <Ballig> it's not stolen or used code
50:48 <Ballig> it's just interesting that the PHP time function knows it
50:59 <Ballig> but thanks for the vote of confidence, jerk :p
51:03 <Spaceshot> :P
51:19 <Spaceshot> people who know how to code C++ don't usually know how to code PHP
51:32 <Ballig> I know a bunch of languages
51:35 <foxtrotter> well, i am going to be eating some lunch here so i'll be AFK for a while. 
51:55 <Spaceshot> so do I
52:12 <Spaceshot> just not anything past xHTML and Javascript for web :P
52:17 <Ballig> dicebot is scripted in TCL, it took me a little bit to remember how to do it
52:44 <Spaceshot> oooo...k then
59:12 <foxtrotter> may i play my PFS character here on other places?
59:43 <Ballig> yeah, you can play your PFS character in any PFS game
59:50 <foxtrotter> that is great
00:01 <Spaceshot> that's the benefit of PFS
00:18 <Ballig> ha, that sounds like a cheesy ad
00:29 <Spaceshot> it's currently surpassed the benefit/s of a good ol' style campaign
00:32 <Ballig> "You can play your PFS character in any PFS game" "That's the benefit of PFS!" *cue bad radio ad music*
00:50 <Spaceshot> you should get some public radio ads going ballig
00:54 <Ballig> ha
00:57 <Spaceshot> since you have a better web address now
00:59 <Ballig> gamer nerds don't listen to the radio
01:06 <Spaceshot> internet radio then
01:11 <Spaceshot> youtube add
01:14 <Spaceshot> ad*
01:43 <Spaceshot> make it a quick banner ad on chezburger network
03:22 <Spaceshot> so anywho, dicebot is yours/avatar's?
03:32 <Ballig> it's mine
04:24 <Spaceshot> means I don't need to use diebot anymore?
04:53 <Ballig> most of the public commands are disabled in here because they have the same syntax and it would create spam
05:13 <Spaceshot> bah
05:53 <Spaceshot> and I'm guessing you can't just make a quick adjustment or something to mean you can use !dice instead?
06:13 <Ballig> the rolling is enabled
06:29 <Spaceshot> what's disabled then?
06:30 <Ballig> !roll 2#1d20+17 claws; 2#1d8+7 damage
06:30 <dicebot> Ballig, claws: [1d20=10] 27, [1d20=7] 24; damage: [1d8=2] 9, [1d8=5] 12
06:46 <Ballig> the !save command and the associated @commands
06:54 <Ballig> the ? conditions command
06:55 <Spaceshot> oh, the useful stuff
07:19 <Spaceshot> basically you're using Mekkis' source code to make your own bot?
07:30 <Spaceshot> or did you actually make it from scratch?
07:48 <Ballig> not using Mekkis' source code
07:50 <Ballig> I made it from scratch
08:04 <Ballig> using someone else's source code removes the fun from the project
08:13 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer mort to use yours next time she DMs
08:22 <Spaceshot> see if she get's constant bullshit rolls with it
08:33 <Spaceshot> gets*
08:51 <Ballig> :p
09:12 <Spaceshot> meh, I'd take someone elses source code for a dice bot at the moment, but that's because I've got too many projects I'm pushing to the side as it is
10:12 <Ballig> if {$nick == "Mort" && [expr rand()] > 0.25} {return 20}
11:08 <Spaceshot> I dunno, I don't think it was explicity 20, more like she can't roll under 15 unless it the roll didn't really matter
11:08 <Spaceshot> :P
13:48 <Spaceshot> also, I need to find a reasonable IRL group, or get the slackers at AIE to take shadowrun a tad more seriously
17:07 <Ballig> IRL groups are for lzrs
17:31 <Spaceshot> lies
17:48 <Ballig> no it's true, they did studies
17:50 <Spaceshot> I like my IRLness
18:01 <Ballig> okay, I did a study
18:10 <Spaceshot> I bet those studies also say roleplaying in general is for lzrs
18:12 <Spaceshot> :P
18:17 <Spaceshot> bias study is bias
18:17 <Ballig> okay, I went to a few IRL games and most of the people there were lzrs
07:41 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1pm (Avatar, new game) / Sun 1pm (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
07:41 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Mar 25 18:48:31 2012
28:45 <Mort-> No
28:49 <Mort-> We all start at 3
28:58 <foxtrotter> maybe i'll get to level three in a month
29:00 <Mort-> Ill be handing him a new character sheet
29:03 <Mort-> No
29:11 <Mort-> I'm handing him a new sheet
29:20 <foxtrotter> i thought we can only have one PFS character at a time?
29:24 <Mort-> We can all level ourselves up to 3
29:26 <Mort-> Wrong
29:34 <Mort-> This isn't pfs to begin with
29:37 <foxtrotter> oh
29:39 <Mort-> And i have 2
29:40 <foxtrotter> i see
29:47 <Mort-> Pfs characters
29:51 <Mort-> Actually
29:53 <Mort-> I have 4
30:01 <Mort-> Just 2 i usually play
30:31 <Spaceshot> I'm also tempted to run something here
30:40 <Mort-> Uh
30:42 <Spaceshot> probably during the week, maybe even a monday night
30:49 <Spaceshot> but lets not confuse the poor boy XD
31:07 <Mort-> The time i get out on weekdays
31:14 <Mort-> all of you would be in bed
33:05 <Mort-> So yeah.
34:12 <Ballig> what can I do with 24 prestige
34:44 <Mort-> Buy yourself a house!
34:51 <Mort-> Haha just crapping
35:04 <Mort-> Id probably buy wands with that
35:27 <Mort-> Wand of bless (slips it to socks)
35:30 <Ballig> I could buy 12 level 1 spell wands!
36:01 <Mort-> Yeah we will have buffing familars soon
36:02 <Ballig> actually, 24 prestige is what you need to fully recover from a death
36:05 <Mort-> Just not yet
36:07 <Mort-> Ya
36:19 <Mort-> But you can just raise
36:24 <Mort-> Double restore
36:36 <Mort-> Its more economical
36:44 <Ballig> that's what costs 24 prestige
36:55 <Ballig> raise dead for 16, two negative level restorations for 8
36:57 <Mort-> No
37:06 <Mort-> Gp the restore?
37:19 <Mort-> How much is restoration in gp
38:13 <Ballig> 1380 per negative level
38:32 <Ballig> so 2760 gold
38:41 <Mort-> Yeah just keep the gp
38:44 <Mort-> On you
38:51 <Ballig> why? better off using prestige
38:56 <Mort-> Use priestige for raise
38:59 <Ballig> yes
39:05 <Ballig> and then also use prestige for the restorations
39:07 <Mort-> I just felt it was more economical
39:10 <Mort-> Hm
39:19 <Mort-> I don't have 24 yet
39:19 <Ballig> you could enchant a weapon with that gold
39:32 <Mort-> Your talking to the wrong person
39:40 <Mort-> Enchant what?
39:53 <Ballig> khaz could enchant a weapon with that gold
39:59 <Mort-> Where's my rod of persistent metamagic
40:25 <Ballig> or two pieces of armour
40:26 <Mort-> Yeah but atm you are talking
40:26 <Mort-> To the wiz
40:26 <Ballig> atm I'm talking to huichin li
40:26 <Mort-> Not the magus
40:30 <Mort-> :p
40:42 <Mort-> No your talking to one of my characters in person
40:44 <Avatar> you could enchant your headband
40:50 <Mort-> Because as usual
41:02 <Mort-> +4 is 16000?
41:19 <Mort-> I think ill take the rod first
41:36 <Mort-> Make 2 will saves or stay on the ground laughing
41:47 <Mort-> And do it for the following round
42:00 <Mort-> After that you can just stay there.
42:03 <Avatar> +2 is 4000
42:19 <Mort-> Already done
42:20 <Mort-> Lol
42:38 <Avatar> you could get a belt of con
42:48 <Mort-> Screw con
42:53 <Mort-> Attack ftw!
42:54 <Avatar> don't you like hp
42:54 <Mort-> Lol
43:07 <Mort-> Im a crazy bastard
43:19 <Mort-> Yeah i have 37^^
50:09 <Ballig> Mort-: you could get a rod of extend metamagic
50:13 <Ballig> your mage armour would last 10 hours
51:38 <Spaceshot> haha
54:45 <Spaceshot> or just get a rod of metamagic reach
54:51 <Spaceshot> I think it's the most undercosted rod
55:07 <Spaceshot> 3k to let 3 spells a day of 3rd level or lower increase 1 range step
55:18 <Mort-> No need
55:24 <Mort-> I can be where i need to be
55:35 <Spaceshot> can you do a touch spell at range?
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55:46 <Ballig> actually, reach is great
55:59 <Ballig> the difference is quite amazing
56:23 <Spaceshot> reach is awesome
56:33 <Spaceshot> I mainly use it for touch spells at close range
56:33 <Mort-> If you are a cleric
56:37 <Spaceshot> in general
56:41 <Mort-> Can i purpose
56:44 <Spaceshot> you can make a close spell medium
56:45 <Mort-> Supposei
56:55 <Mort->  Dislike touch spells as a wizard
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57:04 <Mort-> Bab - i can't land
57:15 <Spaceshot> they aren't always for against the enemy
57:26 <Mort-> At Least i never seemed to hit
57:34 <Mort-> If its allies
57:41 <Spaceshot> maybe you want to cast a powerful touch spell on a target that isn't in range, or getting into touch range of him would put you in mortal danger
57:47 <Mort-> There isn't anything i would want to buff
58:04 <Mort-> That is done by touch only
58:05 <Mort-> Atm
58:05 <Spaceshot> what if jerus is too far infront
58:16 <Spaceshot> so if you want to enlarge him you'll be within being smacked range
58:18 <Mort-> Enlarge is fairly close range
58:22 <Mort-> 30
58:26 <Mort-> Or so
58:29 <Ballig> extend can make it 100 feet
58:31 <Mort-> But not using reach
58:36 <Mort-> Maybe longer
58:44 <Spaceshot> so it is
58:58 <Spaceshot> 25ft + 5/2 levels is close
59:03 <Mort-> Yeah
59:07 <Spaceshot> it is sweet for a healbot
59:07 <Mort-> So I'm 5
59:22 <Mort-> I think its more useful to clerics
59:25 <Spaceshot> freedom of movement is touch
59:36 <Mort-> Do i look like i can cast that?
59:40 <Ballig> it's useful to clerics
59:41 <Spaceshot> it's also quite useful for a magus
59:50 <Spaceshot> no, but still
59:51 <Spaceshot> XD
59:51 <Mort-> I don't think so
00:01 <Spaceshot> you'll want it for khaz sooner or later
00:06 <Spaceshot> you can't shocking grasp at range
00:10 <Mort-> I think khaz would be like oh. In front of me?
00:12 <foxtrotter> allright folks, i am out of here, i'll catch you in a few weeks maybe
00:13 <Mort-> Hit it!
00:33 <Spaceshot> fly is also touch
00:34 <Ballig> what if you're all like "Oh shit, Jerus is about to die - but I can't get to him and cast in the same round!" bam, rod of reach, move to within 35 feet of him, cast invisibility on him
00:35 <Mort-> Level 3 one of the spells
00:37 <Ballig> saved the day!
00:49 <Mort-> Involve teleporting to the guy you want
00:52 <Mort-> Lol
00:53 <Spaceshot> invis is touch, fly is touch
01:02 <Mort-> So yeah blink
01:16 <Mort-> Why not we go you sorry fk go find life funnt
01:18 <Mort-> Funny
01:19 <Spaceshot> so basically you think wasting 1 spell a day is 1k?
01:33 <Spaceshot> I'd say 1 spell is worth more than 1k
01:37 <Mort-> First i don't load invisibility
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01:48 <Spaceshot> really...
01:57 <Mort-> Truly
01:57 <Spaceshot> what do you 'load' in your second level slot then?
02:15 <Mort-> I have 3 level 2 spells
02:27 <Mort-> 2 glitterdust one hideous laughter
02:33 <Spaceshot> tisk tisk tisk
02:37 <Mort-> Matter settled
02:46 <Spaceshot> glitterdust doesn't save lives
02:54 <Mort-> I told you i never do the dirty work myself
02:57 <Mort-> It did
03:12 <Mort-> I let my team do it for me
03:30 <Spaceshot> you have to think of the others
03:34 <Spaceshot> and how your spells interact with them
03:39 <Mort-> I am thinking of others
03:45 <Mort-> I have good aim!
03:46 <Spaceshot> just because you aren't a cleric/oracle/bard doesn't mean you don't buff
03:51 <Spaceshot> or use spells to save lives
04:08 <Mort-> I use my spells to save lives :d
04:14 <Spaceshot> you just have a different repetwar (wow that is such a bad spelling)
04:31 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing mekkis told you those spells should be your level 2 spells?
04:38 <Mort-> 2 npcs would have torn us apart in 2 different scenarios
04:52 <Ballig> repertoire
04:52 <Mort-> Except they couldn't
04:57 <Spaceshot> danka
05:33 <Mort-> If i had loaded glitterdust instead of scorching ray that day
05:42 <Mort-> Or another hideous laughter
05:49 <Spaceshot> so would having an enlarged jerus attack dudes in front, and then straight after you invis him (because you'd most likely delay till right after his turn if that was the plan)
05:58 <Mort-> Maybe asmel might have walked out alive
06:08 <Spaceshot> yes but I'm not talking about damaging spells
06:11 <Mort-> At close range i think they know you are there still
06:12 <Spaceshot> I'm talking about spells like invis
06:19 <Mort-> Offense is the best defense
06:22 <Spaceshot> you still get concealment
06:29 <Spaceshot> offense is the worst defense
06:38 <Mort-> Invisibility would give 50 percent miss chance
06:39 <Spaceshot> because if you fail even once, you're toast
06:44 <Spaceshot> yep, that's still good enough
06:59 <Mort-> Glitterdust would do the same
07:03 <Spaceshot> nope
07:06 <Ballig> it's too bad that quicken metamagic rod costs 35000 gold
07:08 <Spaceshot> glitterdust only does it to one target
07:09 <Mort-> And last potentially longer
07:12 <Mort-> Wrong
07:25 <Mort-> You aim it right you can catch more
07:38 <Spaceshot> glitterdust doesn't save someone
07:41 <Spaceshot> it hinders the enemy
07:47 <Spaceshot> there is a big difference
07:51 <Mort-> My last toss snagged 3 hounds but 2 saved
08:07 <Mort-> I disagree on invis
08:19 <Spaceshot> invis gives total concealment to 1 ally
08:25 <tristen> !findchar Oskar
08:25 <Ballig> invis is safer
08:29 <diebot> tristen, Character: Oskar, number: 367( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=367 )
08:30 <Hydrazine> Howdy.
08:32 <Spaceshot> glitterdust might give 50% misschance to 1 or more enemies
08:33 <tristen> heya
08:36 <Mort-> Because it breaks the moment you hit them
08:40 <Hydrazine> hey tris, whats up man?
08:43 <tristen> ballig - i've audited oskar
08:45 <Ballig> he's talking about saving someone's life
08:46 <Mort-> Nothing
08:47 <tristen> check him out
08:50 <Spaceshot> Mort-: it breaks the moment you hit
08:56 <Mort-> Yeah
08:56 <Spaceshot> it still works for long enough
09:04 <Mort-> I don't do it that way
09:06 <Hydrazine> What'd you do to Oskar?
09:13 <Ballig> tristen: do you use Foxit reader?
09:17 <tristen> i audited all his gold
09:20 <tristen> and earnings
09:23 <tristen> and expense
09:35 <tristen> put it all on his sheet
09:47 <tristen> ummm
10:04 <Hydrazine> Jerus changed alot this level, Tris.
10:10 <Mort-> Trist
10:12 <tristen> i just use the unix document viewer
10:14 <tristen> or xpdf
10:14 <Mort-> Why do you use a long sword
10:23 <Ballig> ahh
10:23 <tristen> i don't usually
10:24 <Mort-> If you are forced to melee
10:28 <tristen> i have it just in case
10:28 <Hydrazine> Why not?
10:33 <Mort-> You must as well use 2 handed weapon
10:41 <Hydrazine> swing it 2 handed then
10:41 <Mort-> Otherwise just carry a shield
10:52 <Mort-> He must as well carry 2 handed!
10:57 <tristen> yeah i never really thought about it
10:58 <Mort-> What's the difference
11:02 <Mort-> Lol
11:05 <Spaceshot> you can't one handed a greatsword
11:13 <Mort-> Khaz at least has a valid reason
11:29 <Mort-> Saying spell combat needs one hand free
11:30 <Spaceshot> 2handed weapons aren't worth it unless they have something a 1handed weapon doesn't
11:45 <Mort-> 2 handed is the way for melee dps
11:49 <Spaceshot> nope
11:51 <Spaceshot> wrong
11:52 <Mort-> Unless you doing twf
11:55 <Spaceshot> nope
11:57 <Spaceshot> still wrong
12:07 <Spaceshot> a longsword 90% of the time beats a greatsword
12:16 <Spaceshot> majorally because of flexability
12:18 <Mort-> 1d8
12:20 <Hydrazine> I think you got enough arrogance to share with the whole channel, Space.
12:23 <Spaceshot> :P
12:27 <Mort-> 2d6
12:34 <Hydrazine> Everything all you bastard says is wrong and thats that
12:37 <Spaceshot> mort, 1d8 +20 vs 2d6+20
12:42 <Spaceshot> not much difference
12:46 <Mort-> Or you can choose a different weapon
12:49 <Mort-> So?
12:52 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: not really, I know my gaming
12:56 <Mort-> Its not much different
13:07 <Mort-> Whether he carries 1 hs
13:10 <Mort-> Or 2 hs
13:14 <Hydrazine> wheres the +20 coming from?
13:17 <Spaceshot> but 1d8 + 15 and using other hand to hold something/do something, or nothing (greatsword can't be one handeded)
13:21 <Spaceshot> handed*
13:22 <tristen> 1-8 vs 2-12 (isn't that significant?)
13:22 <Mort-> And some 2 handed weapons have better 
13:25 <Mort-> Lets ask
13:39 <Ballig> I generally go for 2-handed weapons for the reach
13:42 <Mort-> What would tris do with his second hand?
13:47 <tristen> don't ask
13:49 <Spaceshot> reach is a reason to get a two-hadned
13:51 <Hydrazine> wank.
13:51 <Spaceshot> handed*
13:51 <Ballig> ha
13:55 <Ballig> melee combat turns him on
13:55 <Hydrazine> He would wank. In combat.
13:59 <Spaceshot> it's a major reason why people get 2handeds
14:04 <Mort-> I can say i can cast spells
14:10 <Ballig> he could use a shield
14:13 <Mort-> If he isn't using a long sword
14:15 <Mort-> Yes
14:21 <Mort-> Then he should get one
14:27 <Ballig> maybe one day he will
14:28 <Spaceshot> Mort-: what if had to hold onto an object, or wanted to get a potion for next round whilst moving?
14:28 <Mort-> I accept that as well
14:36 <Mort-> But his sheet doesn't have one
14:41 <Ballig> not yet
14:44 <Ballig> one day it might
14:45 <Mort-> Standard action to draw it out
14:52 <Mort-> So I'm telling him :d
14:54 <Ballig> why is it a standard action to darw a shield?
15:04 <Mort-> Like he told me to get a longsword
15:20 <Mort-> Swift if your using quickdraw shield
15:22 <Mort-> Bow
15:23 <Mort-> Actually
15:37 <Mort-> He was telling me i should get a longb6
15:53 <Mort-> Longbow. As long as i can use it
16:02 <Hydrazine> !roll 2d8+8
16:03 <dicebot> Hydrazine, 2d8+8: [2d8=5,6] 19
16:10 <Spaceshot> every character should have something they can do when their general combat action/ability/stance is unuseable/unobtainable
16:15 <Hydrazine> Hm. Comparable I think.
16:44 <Mort-> I still don't think 
16:44 <Spaceshot> !roll 5#1d8+20; 5#2d6+20
16:44 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 1d8+20: [1d8=7] 27, [1d8=2] 22, [1d8=8] 28, [1d8=5] 25, [1d8=1] 21; 2d6+20: [2d6=6,4] 30, [2d6=4,1] 25, [2d6=3,1] 24, [2d6=1,3] 24, [2d6=2,2] 24
16:54 <Spaceshot> not much difference
17:14 <Mort-> You 2 hand a weapon its 1.5 times str mod
17:26 <Ballig> what keywords should I focus on with the website? options are: D&D, IRC, online, Pathfinder, PFS
17:34 <Ballig> maybe also: Pathfinder Society
17:45 <Spaceshot> a 1handed weapon two-handed and a 2handed weapon are the same str and powerattack modifiers
17:50 <Spaceshot> only the base damage is differnt
18:05 <Hydrazine> 24.6 to 25.4.
18:30 <Mort-> Lol
18:35 <Ballig> Mort-: the point is that a one-handed weapon gives him more options
18:38 <Spaceshot> yup
18:44 <Mort-> Use them then
18:46 <Spaceshot> he could use a shield, hold out a potion
18:49 <Spaceshot> hold a torch
18:50 <Ballig> you don't have to use options just because you have them
18:53 <Ballig> having options is enough
18:58 <Spaceshot> flexability is the key
19:03 <Mort-> I am fine with shield
19:16 <Mort-> Just do something with it
19:20 <Ballig> he might simply be happy having an average of 1 less damage just so he has the OPTION of using a shield if he wants to
19:30 <Hydrazine> flexibility, Space.
19:36 <Spaceshot> that one
19:38 <Spaceshot> :P
19:41 <Ballig> it's really pointless to overanalyse it when he's doing it as a backup
19:48 <Spaceshot> 1 less damage isn't much
19:53 <Spaceshot> when the monster has 100+hp
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21:19 <Hydrazine> !roll 10d8+80
21:19 <dicebot> Hydrazine, 10d8+80: [10d8=3,1,4,8,2,2,7,2,2,2] 113
21:36 <Hydrazine> !roll 5d12+75
21:37 <dicebot> Hydrazine, 5d12+75: [5d12=10,1,1,8,4] 99
22:14 <Hydrazine> indeed.
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23:53 <Hydrazine> Thank you, Dicebot.
24:25 <Spaceshot> I'm not a big fan of the major inability to use an arcane caster class besides magus to fully go spellblade
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24:38 <Spaceshot> without doing what Ballig did and just multiclass fighter
25:03 <Hydrazine> I'm not a big fan of how MAD monks are.
25:11 <Spaceshot> lies
25:13 <Hydrazine> Or country music
25:18 <Spaceshot> monks only need str and wisdom
25:37 <Spaceshot> well, zen archers do anyway
25:38 <Spaceshot> :P
25:41 <mortswishytail> We all go to hell in our own way
25:42 <mortswishytail> And it is our choice
26:04 <Hydrazine> Needing to go to an archetype to negate the problems built into a class precisely illustrates that the class has problems.
26:30 <tristen> spaceshot yeah i was reading that zen archer thing
26:42 <tristen> that's a shitload of nice stuff they've given him/her
27:18 <Hydrazine> Too bad it Pazio has no idea how its supposed to work.
27:22 <Spaceshot> they do get a butload of free stuff
27:46 <Spaceshot> monk's have had problems ever since they first came around
28:01 <Spaceshot> they're a melee class that heavily requires a mental atribute
28:03 <Hydrazine> Did you read much about the flurry forums discussion?
28:05 <Spaceshot> and can't wear armour
28:10 <mortswishytail> No haha
28:56 <Hydrazine> Basically, Pazio staff was saying flurry functions very much like TWF+Doubleslice.
29:12 <mortswishytail> Is it good or bad
29:14 <Hydrazine> Including the part where you can't use the same weapon for both attacks at level 1.
29:41 <Hydrazine> So single-weapon monks, including polearm focused Sohei and Zen Archers just don't make sense anymore.
30:18 <foxtrotter> wow we got a lot of people on right now,
30:23 <foxtrotter> the most I have ever seen anyway
30:26 <mortswishytail> Oh oh
30:27 <foxtrotter> and I am new
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30:51 <Hydrazine> hey Fox.
30:54 <Hydrazine> Whats up man?
30:55 <foxtrotter> hey hey
30:57 <Mort-> Heh?
30:59 <foxtrotter> doing well
31:09 <Spaceshot> zen archer's change how flurry works
31:12 <Spaceshot> so they still make sense
31:12 <foxtrotter> just got my character uploaded to the site an hour ago
31:25 * Mort- tosses fogtrotter cookies
31:26 <Hydrazine> And all the other monk archetypes should just suck it, huh?
31:29 <Spaceshot> sohei I think are still screwed, and maybe weapon masters
31:37 * foxtrotter catches the airborne cookies
31:45 <Spaceshot> well... I don't want to put it that bluntly
31:45 <Mort-> Cool!
31:48 <Spaceshot> because I actually love monks
31:58 <Spaceshot> just hate how they like to be the target of the nerf bat
32:08 <Mort-> Don't let ausk ( Steven) get them!
32:09 <Hydrazine> Its pretty lame to penalize non-full round attacks so harsh.
32:20 <foxtrotter> ah, ok
32:29 <Hydrazine> I mean, if a TWF fighter has to use a move action, sure he only gets one attack, but atleast he gets it at full bab.
32:36 <Spaceshot> mmm
32:37 <Hydrazine> Same for TWF ranger.
32:42 <Spaceshot> we get it at shit bab
32:47 <Mort-> He wants to prevent me from having my cookies!
32:50 <Hydrazine> Monk, if you can't full attack, you're stuck with cleric bab. Sorry.
32:52 <foxtrotter> hehe
32:59 <Spaceshot> mmm
33:01 <Mort-> And own all the cookies in the world :(
33:09 <Mort-> He is a pirate :(
33:11 <Spaceshot> I just think they should have done what they did with zen archer
33:20 <Spaceshot> make the to hit stat be wisdom, but leave damage with str
33:29 <Mort-> He laughed at me for surrendering to him last night :(
33:37 <Hydrazine> Sensei get that to.
33:42 <foxtrotter> you surrendered?
33:42 <Hydrazine> I was considering making a Sensei.
33:48 <Mort-> He is a level 12 inquisitor :(
33:52 <foxtrotter> oh, i see
33:56 <Mort-> I'm a level 5 wizzie
34:02 <Mort-> I can't do anything to him :(
34:04 <Hydrazine> hold person didn't work?
34:18 <Spaceshot> yea but monks in general should get that on their unarmed
34:24 <Mort-> Look. He gave me a geas scroll
34:37 <Mort-> I used it on him
34:38 <Mort-> He removed curse :(
34:40 <Mort-> The save is 18
34:43 <Spaceshot> because they're meant to be mystically using their fists to get good attacks
34:46 <Mort-> He has 11 for will
34:49 <Spaceshot> not brute forcing it like a barbarian
34:51 <Hydrazine> They should have SOMETHING to make them less unfocused in base stats.
34:56 <Mort-> So. I can't hold him for long
35:01 <Mort-> Even if it landed
35:15 <Hydrazine> I mean, to play a melee monk, you got to split it between str, dex, wis and con.
35:22 <Spaceshot> yup
35:34 <Mort-> !roll 4#2d4
35:35 <dicebot> Mort-, 2d4: [2d4=1,3] 4, [2d4=3,4] 7, [2d4=2,4] 6, [2d4=3,3] 6
35:42 <Hydrazine> 12 dex and wis puts you at 14 AC, and wtd are you doing in melee with 14 ac?
35:53 <Mort-> Well that might
36:21 <Mort-> !roll 3#1d8
36:21 <dicebot> Mort-, 1d8: [1d8=6] 6, [1d8=7] 7, [1d8=6] 6
36:29 <Mort-> Lol that wove
36:31 <Mort-> Would
36:41 <Mort-> But its 11 will vs 18 save
36:44 <Hydrazine> even if you went 16 dex/wis you'll be at 16 AC.. about the same as the fighter who spent a bit of starting money on some armor.
36:53 <Mort-> I need to hold him for 2 rounds
37:03 <Hydrazine> And he can replace it with full plate in like 3 levels. monk can't.
37:09 <Spaceshot> for a ranged monk it's not an issue
37:17 <Spaceshot> or even a sohei which is reach
37:17 <Hydrazine> ranged chars never get hit?
37:19 <Hydrazine> ever?
37:19 <Spaceshot> but still, that's shit
37:26 <Spaceshot> oskar was fine
37:27 <Spaceshot> :P
37:31 <Mort-> Right
37:32 <Hydrazine> reach characters never get hit?
37:40 <Spaceshot> he got blinded a few times that was about it
37:45 <Hydrazine> Jerus has fallen over in.. 7 of 9 scenarios.
37:49 <Mort-> Did you see how many times we tumbled him over? :p
38:00 <Spaceshot> reach does get hit, but it's not as much of an issue as melee combat
38:05 <Mort-> I am sure he has the sense to stay out of melee :p
38:15 <Hydrazine> Sure it is. Everything just 5fts in and full attacks you.
38:15 <Mort-> We took turns!
38:18 <Hydrazine> Just like any other melee.
38:22 <Mort-> Yeah
38:30 <Mort-> I can slow it down with enlarge
38:35 <Spaceshot> I think it's bullshit that they fixed paladins MAD but not monks
38:45 <Hydrazine> how did they fix pallies?
38:48 <Mort-> But even so you don't have enough combat reflexes
38:51 <Hydrazine> I haven't looked into them much.
38:53 <Spaceshot> they moved casting from wisom to cha
38:56 <Spaceshot> wisdom*
38:57 <Hydrazine> Ah.
38:58 <Hydrazine> Good.
39:00 <Mort-> Str and cha only now
39:07 <Hydrazine> and some con for HP.
39:09 <Mort-> No need wis
39:11 <Hydrazine> But yeah, thats not bad.
39:15 <Spaceshot> yea they fixed it
39:27 <Mort-> I wouldn't play a pally any want
39:30 <Mort-> Way
39:34 <Spaceshot> I'd like to see them remove str from monks
39:40 <Spaceshot> because monks aren't about brute force
39:43 <Hydrazine> I think it might actually be fixable by throwing monks alot of passive hit bonuses.
40:05 <Spaceshot> just put damage and tohit being wisdom
40:07 <Mort-> Can you use agile fist wraps?
40:09 <Hydrazine> give them good accuracy without taking a load of str.
40:11 <Spaceshot> or tohit being dex and wisdom being damage
40:28 <Spaceshot> that would probably fix it
40:41 <Spaceshot> like, if they want to use a monk weapon leave it at str to hit and damage
40:48 <Mort-> I did think that high dex types
40:51 <Spaceshot> but for just flat unarmed, change it
41:00 <Hydrazine> Hoku has solved his MAD somewhat.
41:05 <Mort-> Would use agile
41:08 <Hydrazine> Aslong as he doesn't actually have to just HIT things.
41:09 <Spaceshot> not caring about flurry and just grapple?
41:19 <Hydrazine> hes all dex-wis.
41:19 <Mort-> You don't even punch people in the face
41:21 <Spaceshot> thwang took the easy rode
41:38 <Hydrazine> Space, I'm curious to see the tetori-zen archer duel.
41:40 <Spaceshot> still going to suck for the first 2 levels (since they don't change to hit with bow being wisdom till level 3)
41:44 <Hydrazine> If you're willing to up him to 11.
41:51 <Spaceshot> I would be tempted soon
42:01 <Spaceshot> but I think it ends up being whoever starts first wins :P
43:13 <Hydrazine> Willing to see it.
45:09 <Spaceshot> does haste work with flurry?
47:59 <Hydrazine> Not sure.
51:59 <Spaceshot> wouldn't I just win with either winged boots or boots of levitation?
52:17 <Mort-> He has winged boots too
52:25 <Mort-> After a few of us tried flying
52:34 <Mort-> And see invisibility pots
53:32 <Spaceshot> still, 5 attacks at 1d10+14 should be good enough
54:28 <Mort-> I think oskar tried that one
54:43 <Mort-> He hit khaz but not uh. Hoku
54:46 <Spaceshot> actually, I think it'd be something like +5 for str, +4 for deadly aim, +3 for magical weapon
54:52 <Spaceshot> that'd be damage
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54:58 <Mort-> At least it wasn't human slaying
55:09 <Spaceshot> unless i'm forgetting something for damage
55:14 <Mort-> Else would have dropped straight
55:22 <Mort-> Its not a lot
55:30 <Mort-> What's the to hit
56:05 <Spaceshot> still, to hit would be +7 from stat, + 3 from magical weapon, +1 for point blank, -2 from deadly aim
56:10 <Spaceshot> so thats +9
56:18 <Mort-> Been hit word
56:19 <Spaceshot> added to +9/+9/+4/+4/-1
56:21 <Mort-> Worse
56:30 <Mort-> Oskar took pop shots at me
56:37 <Mort-> First arrow took off 30
56:42 <Mort-> The rest missed
56:42 <Spaceshot> so thats +18/+18/+13/+13/+8
56:50 <Spaceshot> I think I'm missing a few things here, oh well
56:55 <Spaceshot> oh yea weapon focus :P
56:59 <Mort-> First 2 have semi decent chance of hitting
57:02 <Mort-> Forget the rest
57:05 <Spaceshot> +19/+19/+14/+14/+9
57:07 <Spaceshot> so
57:26 <Mort-> First 3
57:27 <Mort-> First 2
57:30 <Mort-> Will hit
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57:41 <Mort-> But hoku is better at the whole archer thing
57:45 <Mort-> Anyway
57:54 <Spaceshot> !roll 2#1d20+19; 2#1d20+14; 1d20+9
57:54 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 1d20+19: [1d20=12] 31, [1d20=5] 24; 1d20+14: [1d20=15] 29, [1d20=14] 28; 1d20+9: [1d20=3] 12
58:20 <Spaceshot> I still think I'm missing a lot of stuff
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58:35 <Spaceshot> !roll 5#1d10+12
58:36 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 1d10+12: [1d10=5] 17, [1d10=5] 17, [1d10=7] 19, [1d10=6] 18, [1d10=2] 14
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04:59 <Hydrazine> Whats up with them netsplits?
05:12 <Mort-> They suck
05:38 * Mort- munches pop corn while waiting for movie to start
08:44 <foxtrotter> what movie?
08:59 <Mort-> Never mind
09:12 <Mort-> During the day sometimes we get bored
09:16 <foxtrotter> oh
09:33 <Mort-> So we run pvp since we aren't allowed to do it in pfs
09:39 <Mort-> I giggle a lot :p
09:59 <Mort-> Also its good to work it out when you have issues
10:44 <Mort-> Imo it help you see what strengths and weaknesses you have.
10:51 <foxtrotter> i see
10:58 <Mort-> But gives you more headaches as well
11:16 <Mort-> Like i know khaz has no crowd control abilities
11:21 <Mort-> Gr
12:09 <foxtrotter> allright I'll let you all alone and try and eat some dinner, later all
12:16 <Mort-> Lol
12:22 <Mort-> Have fun!
12:45 * Mort- cuddles foxtrotter because he is fluffy!
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31:36 <Spaceshot> can I use vital strike with shot on the run?
39:22 <Mort-> I think you can
39:29 <Mort-> But might not be a good idea
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00:11 <foxtrotter> why does ballig have voice?
00:12 <foxtrotter> lol
00:16 <foxtrotter> is he talking?
00:36 <Ballig> I sure am! arf arf!
00:40 <foxtrotter> lol
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03:26 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: are you fine with me having an arrow of mass destruction?
05:18 <Spaceshot> !roll 5#1d10+16+2d6
05:18 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 1d10+16+2d6: [1d10=2;] 26, [1d10=3;] 31, [1d10=1;] 24, [1d10=5;] 32, [1d10=2;] 21
05:39 <Spaceshot> wow that's a lot of damage
06:08 * Mort- throws ballig a ball!
06:11 <Mort-> Fetch!
06:26 <Ballig> hint: I'm not really a dog
06:37 <Mort-> You arf like one
06:44 <Mort-> So you must be one :-)
07:46 <Spaceshot> !roll 5#3d8+16+2d6
07:46 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 3d8+16+2d6: [3d8=6,8,2;] 41, [3d8=2,4,1;] 30, [3d8=7,8,7;] 46, [3d8=8,4,8;] 46, [3d8=3,8,4;] 35
07:53 <Spaceshot> wow that is going to hurt a lot
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10:49 <Spaceshot> !roll 3d8+16+2d6; 3d8+2d6+16
10:49 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 3d8+16+2d6: [3d8=3,4,4;] 33; 3d8+2d6+16: [3d8=7,3,2;] 40
11:06 <Spaceshot> doesn't seem to show all the dice ballig
11:15 <Spaceshot> when rolling multiple dice types
11:17 <Hydrazine> it doesn't show the other 2d6.
11:20 <Ballig> yeah when you do +d6 or whatever, it doesn't show it properly
11:53 <Spaceshot> well hydra, thats my damage without using magical arrows (haven't gotten around to it yet, but I do have cash to spend)
12:05 <Spaceshot> that's per shot
12:16 <Ballig> at what level
12:21 <Spaceshot> 11
12:25 <Ballig> okay
12:33 <Spaceshot> with an oathbow :P
12:44 <Spaceshot> oathbow is so cheaty 1v1
14:40 <Spaceshot> even without deadly aim or point blank it's still 3d8+2d6+9
15:33 <Spaceshot> and 35CMD, 33 when I enlarge to get the 3d8damage
15:42 <Hydrazine> enlarge doesn't work for bows.
15:56 <Spaceshot> sure does when I can change my bow damage to unarmed strike damage
16:00 <Spaceshot> for 1 ki point
16:15 <Hydrazine> "Any enlarged item that leaves an enlarged creature's possession (including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns to its normal size. This means that thrown and projectile weapons deal their normal damage."
17:29 <Spaceshot> At 5th level, a zen archer may spend 1 point
17:29 <Spaceshot> from his ki pool as a swift action to change the damage dice
17:30 <Spaceshot> of arrows he shoots to that of his unarmed strikes. This lasts
17:30 <Spaceshot> until the start of his next turn. For example, a Medium zen
17:30 <Spaceshot> archer’s short bow normally deals 1d6 damage; using this
17:30 <Spaceshot> ability, his arrows deal 1d8 damage until the start of his next
17:30 <Spaceshot> turn. This ability replaces purity of body.
17:49 <Spaceshot> so yea, it does work
17:55 <Hydrazine> Sure. But the arrow's still leaving the bow, isn't it?
18:03 <Spaceshot> the arrow isn't being enlarged
18:08 <Hydrazine> so normal unarmed size is not large unarmed size.
18:15 <Spaceshot> arrow isn't being enlarged still
18:26 <Spaceshot> the arrow is dealing unarmed damage
18:27 <Spaceshot> not arrow damage
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19:55 <Hydrazine> So you change the damage of the arrows you shoot to match that of your unarmed strikes.
20:14 <Mort-> Ok i get that part
20:15 <Hydrazine> Enlarge states that anything that leaves your possession loses the size modifications.
20:36 <Spaceshot> yes, but your fist stays the same size
20:44 <Hydrazine> Is the arrow your fist?
20:59 <Hydrazine> Your fist doesn't leave your person. The arrow does.
21:39 <Spaceshot> the arrow is your fist in ki power
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21:52 <Spaceshot> your size stays the same, thus your ki strength would too
22:08 <Spaceshot> with ki arrow you're basically punching them at range
23:20 <Spaceshot> btw trying to find a more concise rulling on the forums
27:10 <Hydrazine> If you were instead shrunk, would you say that your ranged damage changes to small monk rolls, or medium?
27:25 <Spaceshot> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz37rn?enlarged-zen-archer-shoots-an-arrow#13
27:48 <Spaceshot> small
28:10 <Spaceshot> that's how I see it
33:02 <Ballig> Spaceshot: try the roll now
34:04 <Spaceshot> !roll 3d8+2d6+16
34:05 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 3d8+2d6+16: [3d8=6,6,1; 2d6=2,5] 36
34:06 <Spaceshot> better
34:24 <Ballig> not sure why I was using lindex on the output
34:31 <Ballig> hopefully removing it isn't going to make other results fail :p
34:45 <Spaceshot> !roll 5#3d8+2d6+16
34:46 <dicebot> Spaceshot, 3d8+2d6+16: [3d8=3,5,7; 2d6=3,6] 40, [3d8=8,3,6; 2d6=4,1] 38, [3d8=6,1,7; 2d6=5,2] 37, [3d8=6,4,8; 2d6=1,3] 38, [3d8=3,3,3; 2d6=5,2] 32
34:50 <Spaceshot> not that I can see
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35:06 <Spaceshot> that's a lot of damage
35:14 <Ballig> you expect a lot of damage at level 11
35:27 <Spaceshot> still
35:32 <Spaceshot> that per turn is crazy
35:45 <Ballig> how do you guarantee hitting all 5 times
35:54 <Spaceshot> I don't expect the last one to hit
35:56 <Spaceshot> the other 4 I do
36:06 <Ballig> really? I wish I had characters who could guarantee hits :p
36:16 <Spaceshot> well
36:22 <Spaceshot> all depends on the targets AC
36:26 <Ballig> obviously
36:33 <Spaceshot> but I'm betting for an average of 26
36:40 <Mort-> Lol ^^
36:44 <Ballig> wow
36:45 <Ballig> 26 AC at level 11?
36:53 <Mort-> Not so low
36:57 <Ballig> that is crazy low at that level
37:00 <Mort-> Khaz has 28 unprepared
37:08 <Spaceshot> I said average
37:14 <Mort-> 32 if you give him one round
37:28 <Spaceshot> how do you hit 28 without mage armour?
37:37 <MekkisScreen> those commoners with their AC10 pull the average down
38:04 <Ballig> he wears armour
38:07 <Ballig> he won't be casting mage armour
38:09 <Spaceshot> because except for dodge bonuses, all other types of bonuses don't stack
38:20 <Spaceshot> so ring of protection and shield don't stack
38:28 <MekkisScreen> there are thirteen different types of bonues
38:31 <Ballig> shield is a shield bonus
38:32 <MekkisScreen> bonuses, that do stack
38:34 <Ballig> so it stacks with ring of protection
38:36 <Mort-> Its shield
38:40 <Spaceshot> I thought they changed it to deflection
38:48 <Mort-> Bonus khaz would use
38:53 <Mort-> Level 1 spell shield
38:55 <Ballig> shield of faith is deflection
39:00 <Mort-> Sometimes simplicity is the best
39:26 <Mort-> Not to mention at 7 he would take heavy armor profeciency
39:43 <Mort-> And wear mithril full plate
39:43 <Spaceshot> ah
39:51 <Mort-> ...
40:05 <Spaceshot> you do realise mithril full plate is a shittone without magical bonuses right?
40:06 <Ballig> (pretty sure she's talking about a level 11 version of her low level magus)
40:11 <Spaceshot> yea I know
40:30 <Mort-> Yeah i know
40:50 <Spaceshot> +9k
41:25 <Mort-> 10650 for master work
41:31 <Mort-> Or something like that
41:41 <Mort-> Whatever. It costs a bomb but yes
41:47 <Spaceshot> 10900 but yea
41:59 <Spaceshot> and you have to buy it out right
42:17 <Spaceshot> even with +3 thats only 12 AC
42:28 <Mort-> So?
42:38 <Ballig> a tier 8-9 PFS scenario gives just under 6k
42:41 <Mort-> Dex -14
42:50 <Spaceshot> +3 mithril fullplate, +3 ring of protection, +2dex = 27
42:59 <Mort-> Natural armor amulet
43:00 <Spaceshot> guessing an amulet of natural armour 1
43:06 <Mort-> Ring of protection
43:12 <Mort-> Dodge feat
43:16 <Spaceshot> lol dodge feat
43:17 <Mort-> Got issues?
43:19 <Ballig> a 10-11 gives ~7500 gold
43:25 <Mort-> That was what i started with
43:30 <Spaceshot> heh
43:55 <Mort-> At level 1
44:02 <Mort-> I'm not changing that
44:56 <Spaceshot> still, even with 32 armour I can still averagely hit with 2.6 of my attacks
44:57 <Spaceshot> roughly
45:22 <Mort-> I'm not going to sit there
45:37 <Mort-> And lejtwolf hit
45:52 <Spaceshot> and wow, pinpoint targetting turns you from 32 ac to 14-15
46:09 <Spaceshot> depending on your amulet level
46:29 <Spaceshot> I'm oskar, but monk instead of fighter
47:11 <Mort-> The monk part is a problem
47:13 <Mort-> Sigh
47:20 <Mort-> Don't deal with monks well
47:27 <Mort-> But one can improvise
47:31 <Spaceshot> heh
47:41 <Spaceshot> and I can give my arrows trueseeing
47:58 <Spaceshot> but that part costs ki points
48:39 <Spaceshot> I still want to buy one arrow of mass destruction
49:32 <Spaceshot> http://unicorn.us.com/alex/dnd/superweapon_arrowhead.gif
49:37 <Spaceshot> sorry, arrow of total destruction
50:14 <Spaceshot> and I have enough cash to buy it and a bunch of level 1 pots
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57:59 <Mort-> Hm
58:19 <Spaceshot> Ballig: what's the chances of there being space on the weekends for a campaign as well as brunius' (if he decides to play on a weekend)
00:26 <Ballig> you can do morniings
01:52 <Spaceshot> I bet I could, would the players be able to do mornings though?
02:24 <Spaceshot> I'm mearly trying to work around your schedule ballig, since I wouldn't mind having you play (no more jork the jerk's though)
03:41 <Spaceshot> because last time I asked, you could only, or only wanted to, play on weekends
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07:05 <Mort-> Not playing till i get out
07:07 <Mort-> Of work
07:10 <Mort-> No ca
07:15 <Mort-> No skype
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39:40 <Ballig> Spaceshot: I'm not going to curb the way I roleplay any of my characters
42:03 <Spaceshot> haha
42:18 <Spaceshot> that was more a joke about jork
42:25 <Spaceshot> than a stab at your roleplaying
42:41 <Spaceshot> but in the future, can you warn me before you start drinking strongly
43:21 <Mort-> I think we should all buy smoke goggles
44:40 <Avatar> what are smoke goggles
46:00 <Mort-> You get to stare at a medusa on them
46:08 <Mort-> And nothing happens
46:32 <Mort-> No more bad fear days because you needed line of sight
47:56 <Avatar> and a constant -4 to perception and all opponents get 20% concealment
48:38 <Mort-> Circumstancial
48:56 <Mort-> Are spells affected by concealment?
49:10 <Avatar> medusas are circumstantial
49:40 <Spaceshot> I believe they are mort
49:47 <Spaceshot> you need to be able to see who you're casting on
49:52 <Mort-> Those like you save or whatever
49:56 <Spaceshot> yup
49:59 <Spaceshot> why wouldn't they?
50:01 <Mort-> Because i won't be making any melee attacks
50:05 <Mort-> Ok
50:17 <Mort-> But beats getting turned to stone :d
50:32 <foxtrotter> you folks are funny
51:08 <Mort-> Why?
51:22 <Mort-> I hate status debuffs :p
51:41 <Mort-> Nothing sucks as much as getting paralyzed at the wrong moment
51:45 <foxtrotter> true
52:09 <Mort-> Think about yesterdays monster
52:18 <Mort-> True i couldn't hit him for long
52:27 <Mort-> Couldnt hold him for long
52:35 <foxtrotter> but it was long enough
52:36 <Mort-> But still long enough to...
52:38 <Mort-> Yes
52:47 <Mort-> For us to fk him up
54:15 <Mort-> I'm not even an enchantment specialist 
54:24 <Mort-> I'm actually conjuration..
00:20 <Mort-> Which makes my glitterdust very funny
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35:35 <Brunius> Mentlegen
41:25 <Mort-> Hi!
41:32 * Mort- waves paw
41:50 <Hydrazine> yo.
43:53 <Mort-> :e
44:03 <Mort-> Got cookie,
44:05 <Mort-> ?
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51:45 <Hydrazine> I do actually.
51:48 <Hydrazine> I baked them.
52:09 <Ballig> I bought some cookies earlier today, and threw them in the bin
52:28 <Ballig> I just rolled my d20 three times and got 15 each time
53:37 <Brunius> :(
53:42 <Brunius> Dammit man
53:45 <Brunius> Now I wanna make cookies
54:08 <Ballig> I have some in the bin
54:16 <Ballig> be careful, there are also some anchovies int here
55:12 <Brunius> I'm not gonna go to Canberra just to get some cookies man
55:23 <Ballig> they're good cookies
55:41 <Ballig> I'm sure a 13 year old will have no problems hitchiking from Melbourne to ACT
55:58 <Brunius> I'm 15 man
55:59 <mortswishytail> Cookies!
56:02 <Brunius> Will you stop that?
56:10 <Brunius> It's kinda annoying
56:11 * mortswishytail sits and begs
56:14 <Ballig> never gets old (it's funny because it has a double meaning!)
57:32 <mortswishytail> What cookies did you bake
02:22 <mortswishytail> Oh I'm reading on how to turn your self into a lich
05:34 <mortswishytail> It sounds fun :p
06:55 <Brunius> Is it possible in soceity
07:00 <Brunius> society rather
07:13 <mortswishytail> It isn't
07:21 <mortswishytail> Its just for extra read fun!
07:30 <mortswishytail> Firstly you need to be evil
07:35 <mortswishytail> Means society is out
08:18 <Hydrazine> I baked oatmeal cookies, Mort.
08:36 <Hydrazine> well, me and my mum did. Her help is probably why they're not crap.
08:59 * mortswishytail pads over to hydrazine and sits and has a pitiful expression in her eyes
09:53 <Avatar> I'm going to buy a hammock for one of my characters
10:07 <mortswishytail> Buck?
10:14 <Avatar> I don't know
10:18 <Avatar> probably my aasimar druid
11:02 * Hydrazine balances a cookie on Mort's nose.
11:09 <Hydrazine> Why a hammock?
11:33 <Ballig> sounds comfortable
11:33 <Avatar> they are pretty comfortable
11:36 <Ballig> ha ha
11:49 <Avatar> you can get grenades
11:53 * mortswishytail tosses the cookie up and crunches it as it comes down
11:58 <Ballig> they call them alchemist's fire
12:04 <Avatar> no, proper grenades
12:10 * mortswishytail licks Hydrazine
12:16 <Ballig> alchemist's fire inside a clay bowl
12:20 <Avatar> 2d6 bludgeon + 1d6 fire damage in 10ft radius
12:22 <mortswishytail> Grenade fuse
12:27 <mortswishytail> There is such an item
12:29 <Avatar> I wonder how much a powder keg does
12:31 <Ballig> that's pretty good
12:35 <Ballig> is that PFS legal
12:39 <mortswishytail> 100 gp
12:56 <Avatar> probably not
12:59 <mortswishytail> Haven't checked. My characters aren't into that kind of thing
13:04 <Ballig> how much are they
13:06 <mortswishytail> Why would we
13:11 <mortswishytail> 100 gp per piece
13:14 <Avatar> 100gp
13:21 <Ballig> that's a bit much
13:26 <Brunius> It's a lot for what they do
13:29 <mortswishytail> Btw i found the equivalent focus 
13:34 <mortswishytail> For ray of frost
13:38 <Avatar> yeah looks like it is legal
13:41 <mortswishytail> Its called liquid ice
13:45 <Ballig> if they were 25gp I'd get some
13:47 <Avatar> it explodes after 1d3 rounds
13:52 <Ballig> oh
13:56 <Ballig> that's even worse
14:02 <Avatar> just time it
14:11 <mortswishytail> So ray of frost will still go for 1d3+1
14:11 <Ballig> everyone will just run
14:19 <Avatar> time it to throw it in 1d3 rounds
14:24 <Ballig> ha
14:34 <Ballig> you won't know w hen it's going to explode
14:40 <Avatar> !roll 1d3
14:41 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d3: [1d3=3] 3
14:44 <mortswishytail> Ill skip it
14:47 <Ballig> no
14:49 <Avatar> it'll explode in 3 rounds probably, it's all good
14:50 <Ballig> !roll 1d3 @Ballig
14:52 <Ballig> now time it
14:54 <mortswishytail> Ill be miles away by then
14:55 <Avatar> 3
15:04 <Ballig> [4:14:12 PM] <dicebot> Ballig: 1d3: [1d3=1] 1
15:06 <Ballig> sorry, explodes in your hand
15:10 <Avatar> ah!
15:10 <mortswishytail> Lol
15:20 <Avatar> I guess second time lucky
15:23 <Avatar> !roll 1d3
15:23 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d3: [1d3=3] 3
15:31 <Ballig> it has to be secret
15:40 <Avatar> it's all good I'll hold it for 3 rounds
15:40 <Brunius> !roll 4#1d3 @Ballig
15:54 <Ballig> now give me 4 values
15:58 <Ballig> and I'll tell you how many of them explode in your hand
16:04 <Avatar> one at a time, cmon
16:09 <Ballig> it is one at a time
16:11 <Avatar> I'm not going to throw 4 at once
16:13 <Ballig> how lng do you want for the first one
16:17 <Avatar> 3 rounds
16:21 <Ballig> you're safe
16:22 <Ballig> second one?
16:24 <Avatar> told you
16:39 <Ballig> how long are you waiting for the second one
16:40 <Avatar> I didn't say I was going to throw 4, brunius did
16:46 <Ballig> we're only up to the second one
16:53 <Avatar> I didn't say I would throw more
17:03 <Ballig> you've already had one out of three blow up in your face
17:13 <Avatar> ah but the second one was A-OK
17:17 <Avatar> so that's it
17:20 <Ballig> either you wait 3 rounds for every throw and it will explode in your face 2/3 of the time
17:22 <Avatar> I've discovered the secret
17:35 <Ballig> no, I'm talking about the three you already threw
17:41 <Ballig> the second and third one of Brunius's rolls both blew up in your face
17:41 <Avatar> I only threw two
17:47 <Avatar> no brunius can throw his own
17:54 <Brunius> Yeah I'll throw my own
18:26 <Avatar> you think I am made of money
18:28 <Avatar> think again
18:39 <Brunius> Honestly they aren't that good
18:53 <Avatar> speaking of being made of money, I have a little over 5000gp to spend with Buck
18:57 <Avatar> I think I am getting a dex/con belt
19:01 <Avatar> +2
19:13 <Avatar> @ 5000gp
19:24 <Avatar> pretty good as long as you never plan on upgrading to +4
19:33 <Ballig> Bobbob has 4.6k
19:34 <Brunius> Why not the +4?
19:45 <Avatar> a belt of dex +4 is 16000gp
19:50 <Avatar> a belt of dex/con +4 is 25000gp
19:54 <Ballig> yeah, why is it "pretty good as never plan on upgrading"
19:57 <Avatar> +2 is 4000/5000
20:00 <Brunius> Ah
20:20 <Ballig> sorry, what's the problem with upgrading?
20:33 <Avatar> the price to upgrade it is astronomical
20:45 <Ballig> yeah but it's double
20:52 <Avatar> +12000gp if it's just dex, or +20000gp if it's dex/con
21:05 <Ballig> a pretty good deal really
21:06 <Avatar> you'd be lucky to get the 12000, you'd never get 20000
21:16 <Ballig> by what level would you want to upgrade
21:18 <Spaceshot> avatar, do you want to pay 32k for +4 dex and +4con, or do you want to pay 25k for +4 dex and +4con?
21:36 <Spaceshot> owait, you can't have both unless you spend more
21:37 <Spaceshot> boohoo
21:39 <Avatar> you can't pay for separate items
21:42 <Avatar> they're both belt slots
21:45 <Ballig> what level would you want to upgrade
21:49 <Ballig> (and he's probably talking about ioun stones)
21:51 <Avatar> by 12
21:54 <Spaceshot> he's not
21:57 <Spaceshot> he's talking about belts
22:07 <Ballig> a single tier 8-9 scenario gives you like 5.5k
22:08 <Spaceshot> I don't know the cost for the specific iuon stones
22:11 <Ballig> are you telling me that you will never have 20k gold?
22:20 <Avatar> are you sure
22:24 <Avatar> how do you know that
22:24 <Ballig> I just opened a random scenario
22:33 <Avatar> what one
22:36 <Ballig> 209
22:43 <Spaceshot> all scenarios are conformed
22:50 <Spaceshot> for gold per tier
22:50 <Ballig> 212 gives over 7.6k for subtier 10-11
23:03 <Brunius> #31 gives 5874 for 8-9
23:06 <Ballig> 214 gives over 8k for 10-11
23:24 <Ballig> I'm pretty sure you will be able to get 20k by level 12
23:27 <mortswishytail> Lets up tier more :p
23:30 <mortswishytail> Nah.
23:33 <Avatar> yeah I reckon
23:38 <Spaceshot> brunius, I think they started the conformity in season 2
23:42 <Avatar> from now on we will play tier 10-11s
23:45 <Ballig> ha
23:48 <mortswishytail> Will get pwned eventually
23:48 <Spaceshot> uptiering is cool
23:59 <Avatar> no mort we will get sweet items so its ok
24:05 <Brunius> Uptier ALL the modules
24:26 <mortswishytail> Sure. Did you enjoy the getting squeezed yesterday avatar? :p
24:32 * Spaceshot slaps brunius for memeing it up
24:44 <Ballig> what is the dex/con belt
24:48 <mortswishytail> I'm sure hydra enjoyed those for legged thingies after him :p
24:53 <Avatar> belt of something good
24:55 <mortswishytail> Physical might i think
24:57 <mortswishytail> Or whatever
24:59 <Ballig> is it in core
25:08 <mortswishytail> Physical perfection adds to all 3
25:11 <Avatar> physical might
25:14 <Avatar> yeah, core
25:42 <Avatar> oh wait I read it wrong
25:43 <Avatar> it's 10k
25:52 <Ballig> no wonder I wasn't finding it
25:53 <Avatar> 5K to craft
26:10 <Avatar> I guess that makes that decision easy
26:24 <Ballig> yeah
26:33 <Ballig> by that stage you might as well buy a belt for 4k and then an ioun stone for 8k
26:40 <Ballig> sure it costs you a little more, but you can upgrade them separately
27:40 <Ballig> I should buy my wolf an amulet of mighty fists
27:45 <Brunius> yeah
27:52 <Brunius> you should
28:28 <Ballig> if he had more than one attack I would consider it
28:48 <Ballig> wish I could get horseshoes for a wolf
29:15 <Avatar> what is the deal with ioun stones
29:20 <Ballig> what about them
29:25 <Ballig> they cost double, but don't take up a slot
29:40 <Avatar> double!
29:48 <Ballig> well
29:53 * mortswishytail cuddles ghost
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30:04 <Ballig> you can either buy a belt of physical might for 10k, or you can buy a belt of dexterity and an ioun stone with +2 con for 12k
30:10 <Ballig> it's slightly more expensive, but you can do it separately
30:14 <Ballig> instead of saving up the entire amount at once
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31:26 <Avatar> these aren't the same ones you put into a wayfinder are they
31:48 <Spaceshot> I think any ioun stone goes into a wayfinder
31:49 <Ballig> you can put them into a wayfinder if you want
32:00 <Avatar> same effect ?
32:02 <Spaceshot> though I have yet to find rules as to what an ioun stone in a wayfinder does
32:02 <Ballig> yeah
32:10 <Ballig> just means people can't snatch them out of the air around you
32:20 <Avatar> seems like a no brainer
32:51 <Avatar> doesn't look upgradable
33:01 <Avatar> just +2
33:24 <Ballig> you keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means
33:44 <Spaceshot> I don't think avatar understands ioun stones properly
34:06 <Spaceshot> ioun stones generally stack
34:27 <Avatar> ok gather around
34:27 <Spaceshot> so that +2con stone will stack with another +2con stone
34:30 <Avatar> who wants their fortune told
34:33 <mortswishytail> Were ioun stones pfs legal?
34:35 <Avatar> I am buying a fortune teller's deck
34:36 <mortswishytail> Me!
34:37 <Avatar> for 1gp
34:39 <mortswishytail> Lol
34:51 <Spaceshot> harrower decks aren't legal
34:52 <mortswishytail> Me as mort the wizard
34:57 <Avatar> it's not a harrower deck
35:03 <Spaceshot> they're the same deck
35:08 <Avatar> how do you know
35:09 <mortswishytail> Khaz doesn't believe in that sort of thing
35:20 <Avatar> whoever I play with next is in for a treat!
35:24 <Spaceshot> because a harrower is a fortune teller of mythic proportions
35:38 <Avatar> I don't care about what a harrower is, this is just a deck of cards
35:43 <Ballig> mortswishytail: someone at the con apparently freaked out about a PFS character using an ioun stone, but never explained how it wasn't PFS legal
35:58 <Ballig> the fact that wayfinders are very pathfinder-specific, and wayfinders have slots for ioun stones, it's hard to argue that they aren't legal
36:09 <Avatar> there is something about ioun stones being not-PFS legal
36:14 <Avatar> but I think there are different types
36:18 <Ballig> someone at a con said that, but never explained it
36:30 <Ballig> I've never found anything anywhere that suggests there is anything non-legal about ioun stones
36:34 <Avatar> there's the core rulebook ones and there's some other ones
36:42 <Ballig> where does it say they aren't legal
37:02 <Ballig> it would be clearly mentioned in the guide to organised play
37:15 <Avatar> Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Seekers of Secrets
37:15 <Avatar> Everything in this book is legal for play with the following notes. Equipment: ioun stones use method 1 for resonance and never use method 2. Additionally, only normal ioun stones have resonance—inferior ioun stones never do
37:25 <Spaceshot> ahh
37:28 <Ballig> that's just the resonance method
37:32 <Spaceshot> you can't get the shit stones
37:36 <Spaceshot> to stack
37:40 <Ballig> also note that seekers of secrets has been superseded
37:50 <Avatar> what was it superceded by
37:58 <Ballig> field guide or inner sea guide, I forget which
38:04 <Ballig> but it's also just the resonance method
38:06 <Brunius> field guide
38:08 <Ballig> which is not related
38:21 <Avatar> too much to think about
38:27 <Avatar> at least the core ones are legal
38:30 <Ballig> I already looked into the resonance method when it was first mentioned
39:04 <Ballig> as far as I can tell it's just one guy at a con going on about how ioun stones aren't completely legal but never saying why
39:31 <Avatar> yeah that would be why
39:54 <MekkisScreen> seeker of secrets has not been *superceded*... it's been removed from the core assumption
40:16 <MekkisScreen> it's still just as legal as it ever was
40:22 <MekkisScreen> you just now need to buy it
40:23 <MekkisScreen> :S
40:34 <Ballig> if you're going to bold a word, you should probably spell it correctly
40:44 <MekkisScreen> sorry about that
41:10 <MekkisScreen> I've obviously grown too used to xchat's spelling corrections.
41:23 <MekkisScreen> superseded*
43:44 <mortswishytail> Urgh what's about all the spelling nazis :p
44:31 <MekkisScreen> I probably had that coming...
44:59 <mortswishytail> You should see me spell :d
45:05 <mortswishytail> I fk up all the time
45:19 <Avatar> yeah but I like how you spell fk
45:21 <mortswishytail> And i ever said someone was bi by a mis spelling :p
46:04 <Avatar> supercede is an acceptable spelling I'm pretty sure
46:25 <Ballig> acceptable to whom?
46:33 <Avatar> society
46:40 <Ballig> Verb
46:41 <Ballig> supercede (third-person singular simple present supercedes, present participle superceding, simple past and past participle superceded)
46:41 <Ballig>     Common misspelling of supersede.  [quotations ▼]
46:57 <Avatar> it's in the dictionary
46:59 <Avatar> so it's ok
47:06 <Ballig> it's in the dictionary as a common misspelling
47:15 <Avatar> yeah but it is otherwise accepted
47:22 <Ballig> it's accepted as a common misspelling
47:30 <Ballig> usually I wouldn't bother, except that it looked like he was correcting /my/ spelling of it
47:33 <Avatar> but accepted nevertheless
47:34 <Ballig> because it was bolded
47:49 <Avatar> he wasn't correcting your spelling
47:59 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: sorry about that: I wasn't trying to correct your spelling, I was trying to correct your statement
48:05 <Avatar> he was saying it's not superceded, it's removed
48:12 <Ballig> it's not superceded because that isn't a word
48:18 <Avatar> it is, it's in the dictionary
48:21 <Ballig> also it's not removed, it's removed from the core assumption
48:23 <Ballig> and replaced by field guide
48:29 <Avatar> yeah that's what I meant
48:38 <MekkisScreen> that's what I was saying
48:38 <Ballig> Most dictionaries do not include this spelling; a few list it as a variant, sometimes identified as a misspelling.[2] A search of general dictionaries at Onelook All Dictionaries finds 4 instances of "supercede" excluding this one (with one flagged as misspelling), and 24 of "supersede".
48:51 <Avatar> yes it is a variant
48:55 <Ballig> not in most dictionaries
48:59 <Ballig> in most dictionaries it's not listed at all
49:02 <Avatar> ah but in some dictionaries
49:04 <MekkisScreen> but the Field Guide and Seeker of Secrets contain quite different information
49:11 <Ballig> yeah, but if we're going to go with some dictionaries, we need to decide on a standard
49:18 <Ballig> or else I could write some words on a sheet of paper and say it's a dictionary
49:21 <MekkisScreen> you can't really say that it's superceded/superseded
49:30 <Avatar> I decide that we use the dictionaries that include it
49:49 <Ballig> that's not a standard, that's an ad hoc decision made to favour you
50:03 <Avatar> good enough
50:22 <MekkisScreen> (I think it's an... interesting... marketing decision by Paizo)
50:32 <Ballig> they will do it again
50:44 <Ballig> release a new PFS book, remove field guide from the core assumption, add the new one
50:47 <Ballig> bam, instant sales
51:00 <mortswishytail> Oh dear
51:03 <mortswishytail> Meeting
51:05 <MekkisScreen> Print a book with attractive options in it, make it part of the core assumptions so that the DMs need to buy it and the players will want to get stuff from it...
51:16 <mortswishytail> Afk must make will save not to fall asleep
51:18 <Ballig> MekkisScreen: do you know anything about the ioun stone thing? why someone at a con would be saying they aren't PFS legal?
52:13 <MekkisScreen> then, when it gets out of print, replace it with another book so it's no longer in the core assumption, and force all the players who bought stuff out of the old book to buy the old, out-of-print book.
52:41 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: it sounds like someone wasting their breath on the boards :)
52:58 <Ballig> this was at the con in January
53:04 <MekkisScreen> which con?
53:16 <Ballig> the one you guys went to
53:29 <Ballig> Avatar and tristen both came back saying some guy was talking about ioun stones being illegal
53:45 <Avatar> I don't remember who said that
53:56 <Avatar> there was probably more to it if it's second-hand 
54:08 <Ballig> is it second hand
54:10 <Ballig> you didnt' tell me it was second hand
54:23 <Avatar> it's second hand coming from us if someone told us and we told you
54:34 <Ballig> it's second hand to me, but that doesn't make it second hand to you
54:44 <Avatar> no it would've been first hand to us 
54:55 <Ballig> I'm fine with that
55:09 <Avatar> I don't even remember that happening though, let alone who told us
55:18 <Ballig> you don't remember what happened on friday
55:25 <Avatar> so
55:42 <Avatar> I remember things that happened at the con
56:16 <Ballig> you don't remember a guy talking to you about ioun stones? at all?
56:42 <Brunius> Yeah, you.
56:59 <MekkisScreen> I don't...
57:07 <MekkisScreen> and I wouldn't believe them anyway
58:42 <Avatar> no I don't remember it
58:55 <Avatar> I'm not denying that it happened, it might well have
59:02 <Spaceshot> who here would be up for either a week night or an early morning before PFS on the weeked time slot for a campaign?
59:14 <Ballig> MekkisScreen: a pony has two hoof attacks. hoof attacks are by nature secondary, but "if a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack" - does that count in the case of a pony with two hooves?
00:01 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: are you asking specifically for horses and ponies?
00:11 <Ballig> right
00:18 <MekkisScreen> ok
00:44 <MekkisScreen> horses and ponies, iirc, have the docile trait, that says that their hooves ARE secondary attacks.
00:52 <MekkisScreen> specific trumps general
01:08 <Ballig> this is with a combat trained pony
01:19 <Ballig> which removes docile
01:20 <MekkisScreen> if combat-trained, the hoof attacksm spefically, become primary attacks
01:25 <Ballig> okay
01:35 <Spaceshot> ballig is talking to himself again
02:09 <Ballig> now when the natural attacks section says "if a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 the creature's strength bonus" /doesn't/ apply to a combat-trained pony, right?
02:14 <MekkisScreen> specifically*
02:20 <Ballig> because although it's only one type of natural attack, it's two natural attacks
02:23 <Hydrazine> I'd say no, just because its two attacks.
03:35 <MekkisScreen> I'd say no, because although that statement doesn't outright say that having two hooves/claws doesn't qualify as "only one natural attack", the rules and monster entries seem to indicate that
04:17 <Hydrazine> two claw attacks is two attacks. which is not one attack.
04:24 <Ballig> I kind of wonder why ponies have the small hoof attack damage instead of medium
05:11 <MekkisScreen> hoof is d4?
05:20 <Ballig> for a medium creature, yeah
05:24 <Ballig> ponies have d3
05:28 <Hydrazine> huh.
05:31 <Hydrazine> Curious.
05:32 <Ballig> it's d6 for a large creature, but horses have d4
05:32 <MekkisScreen> strange
05:51 <MekkisScreen> I suppose horses are supposed to suck :(
05:57 <Ballig> although a heavy horse gets his increased to d6 and gets a bite attack
06:04 <Ballig> so horses are fine
06:05 <Ballig> but ponies suck
06:44 <Spaceshot> then don't be a gnome
06:56 <Hydrazine> Or just ride a roc.
07:11 <Ballig> I'm not taking a level of druid to get a roc
07:24 <Hydrazine> Whos all this for anyway?
07:27 <Hydrazine> Bobbob?
07:27 <Ballig> Spaceshot: medium-sized cavaliers are too crippled
07:30 <Ballig> yeah
07:39 <Spaceshot> nah, you should charge in with a velociraptor
07:41 <Hydrazine> Whats wrong with med cavaliers?
07:49 <Ballig> they have to mount a large creature
07:56 <Ballig> walking around large is very, very cumbersome
08:03 <Spaceshot> look, I'll one day make my russian bear rider
08:10 <Spaceshot> you'll see
08:54 <Ballig> I'm looking at whether it's worth getting a pony instead of the wolf, because he could then wear horseshoe magic items
09:12 <Spaceshot> this minmaxer
09:15 <Ballig> I would be giving up a wolf with a bite attack for 1d6+6 and trip, for a pony that has two hooves that do 1d3+10
09:18 <Spaceshot> what about bobbob's concept?
09:31 <Ballig> his concept is riding a mount, it doesn't matter the mount
09:47 <Ballig> looking at options to increase his abilities isn't min-maxing
09:53 <Spaceshot> bah, you and your vague concepts :P
10:07 <Ballig> he used to ride a pony
10:24 <Ballig> because he's a pregen
16:30 <Hydrazine> hes a what, halfling?
16:45 <Spaceshot> I believe he's a gnome
22:00 <Ballig> he's a gnome
22:22 <Ballig> anyway, trying to be combat effective isn't min-maxing. Buck and Bobbob were the same level - Buck can stand 30 feet away and shoot three times for over 50 damage in a round
22:45 <Ballig> Bobbob can do just over 40 damage in a round /if/ he is at least 15 feet away, in a straight line, nothing between him and the target, no difficult terrain, etc
23:00 <Avatar> I'm making a new character with a hardcore roleplaying concept
23:09 <Ballig> and then he can really only do it once an encounter, unless he gets lucky
31:53 <Steven> start level?
32:37 <Spaceshot> somewhere between 5-8
32:49 <Steven> So totaly picking a Strix as my race
33:01 <Steven> cause nothing says OP like Racial flying ability lol
33:04 <Spaceshot> I'll allow the players to agree on a starting level
33:09 <Avatar> I'll be a level 20 dragon
33:20 <Spaceshot> is Strix an outsider race?
33:22 <mortswishytail> I probably can't play at times you are runninp
33:26 <mortswishytail> So ill sit out
33:39 <Steven> no, Strix are humans with wings
33:48 <Steven> live on the boarder of Chelaxia
33:50 <Spaceshot> where from (just curious about them)
33:59 <Steven> and hate humans
34:20 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/monsters-as-pcs#TOC-Strix
36:45 <Spaceshot> hmmm...
37:51 <Spaceshot> Ballig: the description on the site for the campaign is stuck in a big paragraph, no matter how I set it out in the editor
38:19 <Ballig> you have to use HTML
38:28 <Spaceshot> ahh
38:44 <Spaceshot> so all the <p> blah </p> stuff?
39:13 <Ballig> right
39:54 <Brunius> just stick <b> after everything.
39:58 <Brunius> Every line
40:40 <Spaceshot> haha no
41:04 <Steven> oh man, just read it
41:19 <Steven> A strix is going to fit in perfect
41:21 <Steven> darkvision
41:27 <Steven> and onyx skin
42:33 <Spaceshot> you'll all be getting darkvision
42:35 <Spaceshot> just a heads up
42:43 <Spaceshot> darkvision at the least
42:55 <Mekkis> would anyone who lives in Melbourne be willing to run an errand for me, for $$$?
43:07 <Steven> sure... oh wait...
43:14 <Steven> im an ocean away
43:24 <Mekkis> Not Melbourne, Florida
43:30 <Mekkis> Melbourne AU
43:35 <Spaceshot> heh :P
46:22 <Spaceshot> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=36
46:42 <Brunius> What errand, Mekkis?
46:52 <Brunius> I'm always in need of $$$
47:00 <mortswishytail> Eww
47:02 <Mekkis> basically, pick up a keyboard from North Melbourne, and give it to me at conquest
47:11 <Spaceshot> that's what I've got so far, I'm going out to buy some ingredients to make food
49:25 <Steven> yeah well im making a character
50:12 <Hydrazine> Mek is getting a new keyboard?
50:14 <Hydrazine> ...About time?
50:16 <Mekkis> yeah
50:26 <Mekkis> this one is also older than Brunius 
50:31 <Brunius> Maybe I'll just steal the keyboard
50:35 <Brunius> I need a new keyboard
50:37 <mortswishytail> Don't
50:41 <mortswishytail> He has sense motive
50:58 <Brunius> It's fine, Mort- - I'm a high school student, we get Bluff as a class skill.
50:59 <Spaceshot> ok going out to get food now
51:04 <Spaceshot> think about characters who wish to play
51:14 <Spaceshot> game time will be decided by who wants to play
52:10 <Steven> lets do it now!
52:17 <Steven> maybe i will have a good game today lol
53:13 <Steven> w/ the whole darkvision thing.  Perhaps give people who pick a race w/ darkvision increase them by 60'
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58:19 <SpaceshotNote> There's going to be more on the about spell casting and such.
58:26 <Steven> having a character w/ diminished spellcasting.  I am concerned that perhaps you dont know exactly how hampering it actually is
58:39 <Mekkis> diminished spellcasting?
59:12 <SpaceshotNote> Dang I can see Mekkis on my phone
59:18 <Steven> diminished spellcasting is basically -1 spell slots per level
59:26 <Mekkis> how do you get that?
59:40 <Steven> being a cloistered cleric
59:46 <Steven> is a class ability
59:49 <Mekkis> the Pathfinder type?
59:50 <Mekkis> ah
00:44 <Steven> so my cloistered cleric has 1 level 4 spell slot, but because of diminished spell casting i get zero level 4 spell slots
01:05 <SpaceshotNote> You talking about the campaign or PFS?
01:10 <Steven> yup
01:18 <Mekkis> ouch
01:20 <Steven> basically talking about both
01:59 <Steven> you're effectively giving all divine casters diminished spellcasting
02:18 <SpaceshotNote> If you have an issue then we'll talk. Those aren't exactly hard set rules
02:35 <Steven> its a concern, not an issue
02:51 <Brunius> Brace yourselves
03:02 <SpaceshotNote> Not all, oracles and archivists are fine, so are inquisitors I think and ur priests
03:27 <Steven> they are all divine casters
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04:19 <Steven> I believe it makes sense that some gods would have diminished effectiveness on the shadow plane
04:20 <SpaceshotNote> I didn't say divine, said deity based. Druids don't pay to a deity to get spells
04:41 <SpaceshotNote> Pray*
04:50 <Brunius> Neither do Paladins.
04:52 <Ballig> your face prays to a deity
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05:34 <Mekkis> not all clerics pray to deities!
05:41 <Steven> the majority do
05:48 <mortswishytail> How do you not
05:51 <Mekkis> I'm not disputing that
06:01 <Mekkis> you can be a "cleric of an Ideal"
06:04 <mortswishytail> And still keep your divine spell casting
06:14 <mortswishytail> The diety thing
06:19 <Mekkis> you miss out on proficiency with $deities' favourite weapon
06:31 <SpaceshotNote> Maybe just nerf domain stuff, I realised now clerics would get use to not paying to get spells or something similar
06:40 <mortswishytail> Has been keeping me from rolling divine casting characters
06:53 <Mekkis> mortswishytail, in PFS, you're required to have a deity
07:05 <Mekkis> if you're a divine caster
07:26 <SpaceshotNote> Anyway, going underground, can't chat for a bit, but will read when I get home
07:40 <SpaceshotNote> It priest
07:47 <SpaceshotNote> Ur priest*
08:06 <Steven> as i was saying space, i think some dieties would have problems in the shadow plane
08:33 <Steven> off the top of my head, sarenrae wouldnt be all that great
08:35 <Mekkis> so Brunius: want to pick up the keyboard?
08:43 <Steven> since shes the dawn flower...
08:49 <Ballig> is it the clicky keyboard? is he destroying it?
08:50 <Ballig> I sure hope so
08:55 <Brunius> I dunno man, how much am I getting paid?
08:58 <Mekkis> Ballig, they're indestructible
09:06 <Mekkis> $20 or $30
09:11 <Ballig> I use a 4kg sledgehammer at the gym
09:14 <Ballig> I could destruct it
09:35 <mortswishytail> Grull will pray to erastil
09:41 <mortswishytail> Fixed
09:58 <Mekkis> ummm "West Melbourne", a short walk from North Melbourne station
10:54 <Mekkis> the keyboard will turn 21 on Easter Sunday!
11:21 <Brunius> Sure, why not.
11:22 <Ballig> I will pay for the funeral
11:42 <Mekkis> What's the difference between a Tarago and the Queensland Labor Party?
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12:00 <Mekkis> The Tarago has more seats.
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12:07 <Brunius> Ha.
12:08 <Brunius> Ha.
12:09 <Brunius> Ha.
12:21 <Brunius> Why doesn't QLD have a senate?
12:35 <Brunius> That seems silly to me, considering what we learned in Canberra.
14:07 <Brunius> (Mainly Avatar's address, but with elements of why we have a two-house system)
14:18 <Mekkis> The Legislative Council was seen by the Australian Labor Party as undemocratic and a tool of patronage, and upon the establishment of a secure Labor majority in the Assembly in 1915, Labor sought the house's abolition. Unsurprisingly, bills for its abolition were rejected by the Council itself in 1915 and 1916, and a referendum failed on 5 May 1917 on a vote of 179,105 to 116,196. In 1920, the Government under Premier Ted Theodore changed tack, pe
14:18 <Mekkis> rsuading the Governor of Queensland to appoint additional members of the Council, thus securing a majority in that Chamber.
14:18 <Mekkis> The abolition bill was eventually passed by the Assembly on a 51–15 vote on 24 October 1921. The bill was then introduced to the Council by the leader of the Government in the Council, Alfred James Jones, who remarked, "Until we had a majority here, [the Council] was obstructive, and now that we have a majority here it is useless." However, Opposition councillor Patrick Leahy protested that the abolition of the chamber would result in the Assemb
14:18 <Mekkis> ly being "able to do what it thinks fit" and becoming unaccountable. On 27 October 1921, the Council voted itself out of existence; the members who voted for the abolition were known as the "suicide squad". The Council rose for the last time at 8:37 p.m. that evening.
14:36 <Ballig> you couldn't have just linked it?
14:47 <Mekkis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Council_of_Queensland
14:49 <Mekkis> sorry
16:19 <Brunius> Undemocratic my ass
16:31 <Ballig> by "undemocratic" they meant "won't let us do what we want"
18:07 <Mekkis> that's what Whitlam said too
18:11 <Mekkis> about the senate
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21:53 <mortswishytail> Can you link the thread can an eidolon be called
21:55 <mortswishytail> Here?
22:01 <Ballig> what?
22:01 <mortswishytail> Mekkis?
22:05 <Mekkis> sure
22:12 <Mekkis> but it's not relevant in PFS
22:14 <mortswishytail> Would like to read it
22:21 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5f78?Can-an-Eidolon-be-Called
22:24 <mortswishytail> Neither is turning worsej
22:36 <mortswishytail> Yourself into a lich
22:42 <mortswishytail> Fun still
22:52 <Mekkis> as a GM in a non-PFS game, I'd allow
22:53 <Mekkis> it
23:01 <Mekkis> hell, I'd probably allow it in PFS too
23:26 <mortswishytail> Fyi
23:49 <mortswishytail> Someone was trying to planar bind another persons familiar
23:55 <mortswishytail> How to disable the witch?
24:12 <mortswishytail> Planar bind her imp to you :p
24:14 <Mekkis> that will work.
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24:24 <Mekkis> IF the familiar isn't on the material plane
25:18 <mortswishytail> I think they were like calling it
25:25 <mortswishytail> On the material plane
25:31 <mortswishytail> And trying to bind it
25:37 <mortswishytail> In another thread
25:50 <Steven> calling a summoners eidolon isn't possible w/o calling the actual summoner
26:07 <Mekkis> Steven, show me a published rule to that effect
26:27 <Ballig> does the summoner even have a phone
26:28 <Steven> an eidolon and a summoner share a soul
26:43 <mortswishytail> Id get irritated if balaar got stolen though
26:56 <mortswishytail> Again he would probably pass me another. So no loss.
27:11 <Mekkis> Steven, citation?
28:05 <SpaceshotNote_> Steven don't bother trying to argue with this kid
28:14 <Steven> class discription
28:27 <Steven> in the apg
28:31 <Steven> they share a shard of the same soul
29:11 <mortswishytail> Over time
29:12 <mortswishytail> Though
29:30 <Mekkis> "soul" isn't mentioned at all
29:37 <mortswishytail> Over time the two become linked. Eventually sharing a share of the same soul
29:57 <mortswishytail> Summoner class discription
30:24 <Steven> remember there is no specified time before or after a scenario or before character creation
30:55 <Steven> so there could be 20 years of hangin out with that eidolon before your first scenario ever takes place
30:58 <Brunius> "Over time, the two become linked, eventually even sharing a shard of the same soul."
31:19 <Brunius> (That's from the srd, not sure what the APG itself says)
31:41 <Steven> APG says the same thing
33:51 <Steven> im looking at it right now
33:51 <mortswishytail> Ye on that
36:30 * mortswishytail cuddles rocks
36:37 <mortswishytail> Ops
36:45 * mortswishytail cuddles socks
36:46 <Ballig> wouldnt' that be uncomfortable
36:53 <mortswishytail> Wrong spelling
37:06 <mortswishytail> I have a furry on me at all times
37:12 <Spaceshot> about saerenrae, she'd be screwed, there's no sun
37:15 <Spaceshot> well, you can't see it
37:31 <Spaceshot> and anyway, that stuff was just off the top of my head, and not complete
37:34 <Hydrazine> Hmmm.
37:49 <Hydrazine> I think they're making a pretty big mistake in the arguements so far, Mekkis.
37:59 <Brunius> Ballig: Not if it's "rocks"
38:03 <Brunius> If you know what I mean
38:07 <Ballig> I don't
39:06 <mortswishytail> I spelt wrong again
39:48 <Hydrazine> I believe the line about an eidolon being an aspect of something else is a misunderstanding.
40:42 <mortswishytail> Isn't your eidolon part of you?
40:48 <mortswishytail> Or becomes part of
41:17 <Steven> i went and looked up some 'calling' spells
41:23 <mortswishytail> Which means if i play a summoner ill get upset if someone kills my eidolon
41:31 <Hydrazine> "The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature." I think this is implying that the eidolon, nomatter how you rebuild it between levels, is still the same creature. Not that it is not its own creature at all, but a..'aspect' of some other greater thing.
42:05 * mortswishytail starts praying to her eidolon
42:08 <mortswishytail> Lol
42:31 <Steven> summon planar ally allows you to summon two creatures
42:58 <Steven> so if you get to become an outsider somehow...
43:07 <Ballig> can you rebuild it between levels
43:07 <Hydrazine> Its not part of you. Its just, connected.
43:10 <Steven> someone could summon both you and your eidolon
43:25 <Hydrazine> quite a few level 20 class features make you an outsider.
43:35 <Steven> exactly
43:41 <Steven> but it would get around the whole
48:46 <Ballig> wonder what happens if you cast it in PFS
48:46 <Hydrazine> But do they allow you to call specific, unique outsiders?
48:46 <mortswishytail> Why does the summoner guide say that
48:46 <Steven> shard of your soul powering the eidolons ability to manafest itself on this plane
48:46 <mortswishytail> The summoner and eidolon eventually share part of the same soul
48:46 <Steven> to call a specific monster
48:46 <Steven> you have to have intimate knowledge of it
48:46 <Steven> and then it has to be willing to show up if its powerful enough to resist a summons
48:46 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/outsider-categories
48:46 <Steven> im rereading that to make sure
48:46 <mortswishytail> Ew
48:48 <mortswishytail> I'm not summoning a demon any time soon?g
48:59 <mortswishytail> I don't want to get eaten!
49:10 <Mekkis> of course not
49:15 <Mekkis> summon devils instead
49:38 <Steven> yeah demons are just annoying
49:43 <Steven> devils are the way to go
50:03 <mortswishytail> No !
50:14 <mortswishytail> Not summoning evil things!
50:22 <Mekkis> Law. Without. Compassion
50:46 <Mekkis> I just realised. My computer has a floppy drive!
50:50 <mortswishytail> I'm not.
50:51 <Steven> <= summoned an inevitable once
50:58 <mortswishytail> Ew
50:59 <Steven> it was fun
51:06 <mortswishytail> I don't even touch infernal healing
51:08 <mortswishytail> Lol
51:16 <mortswishytail> Morts so squeamish
51:58 <Steven> i just set the thing free
52:11 <Steven> and let it rampage on a bunch of chatoic dudes
52:16 <Mekkis> summon, or call?
52:19 <mortswishytail> It must have made an awful mess
52:56 <Steven> called... summoned.... i thought people would have gotten the general idea
53:17 <Mekkis> you should know that there's a big difference
53:25 <Steven> i made an inevitable show up and start pulping the nasties
54:33 <Mekkis> I played a thaumaturgist
54:34 <mortswishytail> What's the difference
54:40 <Mekkis> with a Planatar companion
54:45 <mortswishytail> I think anyway. I wouldn't summon anything
55:00 <Mekkis> summoning creates an "aspect" of the creature you're summoning
55:04 <mortswishytail> Binding something to your will is just wrong
55:05 <Mekkis> it isn't "actually" there
55:07 <mortswishytail> Really?
55:13 <Steven> yup
55:17 <mortswishytail> So summoning a demon
55:19 <Mekkis> and the context of the summoning spell gives you control over it
55:21 <mortswishytail> Isn't real?
55:30 <mortswishytail> Really?
55:44 <Steven> nope, it would never be able to contain its power in a shell on the material plane
55:48 <mortswishytail> I can summon a big bad monster to hurt people who would hurt my friends?
55:55 <Mekkis> Calling, however, actually yanks the creature from its home plane to the material
55:59 <mortswishytail> Oooh!
56:04 <mortswishytail> Oh dear
56:05 <Mekkis> and doesn't give you control
56:09 <mortswishytail> I won't call
56:10 <Steven> so it invests a portion of its power in a 'shell' you dictate
56:15 <Steven> calling lets it come here itself
56:22 <Mekkis> but lets you yank bigger things over here!
56:36 <Steven> yeah that too
56:43 <Steven> calling=fun
56:48 <Steven> as long as you follow the rules
57:06 <mortswishytail> No!
57:09 <mortswishytail> I won't!
57:09 <Mekkis> and your GM isn't a dick
57:16 <mortswishytail> But i should learn the rules
57:19 <Steven> yeah... GM dickness is a huge factor
57:20 <mortswishytail> What are they
57:27 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/outsider-categories
58:40 <Steven> so spaceshot...
58:51 <Steven> how ya doin on building that campaign
59:42 <mortswishytail> They say some draw a circle of protection from evil
59:58 <mortswishytail> To prevent the summoned creature from attacking you
00:01 <mortswishytail> In story books
01:02 <Steven> so mekkis... whatcha think
01:12 <Steven> a Zen archer Strix
01:19 <Steven> always flying
01:28 <mortswishytail> Lol
01:42 <Steven> or maybe an alchemist strix
01:51 <Steven> either way, just drop bombs on people
02:01 <Steven> or arrows on people
02:05 <Steven> from like 60ft up
02:30 <Steven> at level 1...
02:36 <Steven> FLY SPEED SO EPICS!
02:44 <Steven> anyways, i gotta find a pencil
02:46 <mortswishytail> Until someone shoots the fek out of you
02:49 <Mekkis> Steven, go for it!
02:54 <mortswishytail> I'm calling oskar in :p
02:57 <mortswishytail> And buck
03:01 <Mekkis> what's your concept?
03:08 <mortswishytail> I'm sure they will find it amusing :p
03:22 <mortswishytail> But yeah beats flying mounted
03:27 <Mekkis> Steven, have you played Wrath of the Accursed?
03:38 <mortswishytail> He is probably drawing himself out on pencil now
03:41 <Steven> dont think so
04:21 <Steven> i just envision this guy being like ArcAngel from the X-men
04:42 <Steven> pew pew pew oh shit im gettin my ass kicked /fly away
04:50 <mortswishytail> Told you i wasn't the only movie fan :p
04:59 <Steven> im talkin comic
05:03 <Steven> the movies sucked
05:04 <mortswishytail> Lol
05:10 <mortswishytail> Xmen made mother
05:13 <mortswishytail> Movies
05:30 <Steven> yeah..... the X-Men movies
06:16 <Steven> you know... the boring, cannon trashing box office craphouses that everyone was crazy over
07:07 <Steven> damn it... i left my pencil at the shop today
07:52 <mortswishytail> How viable is it to use an invisible familiar
08:00 <mortswishytail> As your flanking buddy?
08:12 <Mekkis> I'd consider it a bad idea
08:17 <Mekkis> but that's just me
08:46 <mortswishytail> Why anyway
08:53 <mortswishytail> Assuming you don't attack
08:58 <Steven> because it wont provide flanking while its invisible
09:00 <mortswishytail> You can still threaten?
09:16 <mortswishytail> Say its next to a monster
09:29 <mortswishytail> You do not threaten while invisible?
09:35 <Steven> invisible creatures do not provide flanking
09:41 <mortswishytail> Hm
09:44 <Steven> they threaten
09:45 <mortswishytail> Which part
10:06 <mortswishytail> Yeah but he is so going to be invised
10:37 <Mekkis> because they're ending their turn next to an enemy
10:39 <Steven> but they do not provide flanking because part of being flanked is dividing a flanked mobs attention 
11:16 <Steven> so that he cant defend himself against two or more people
11:40 <Steven> so if one of the flanking creature is invisible he doesnt know its there and so wont pay attention to that flanker
11:54 <Steven> hence, they do not provide flanking
12:55 <Brunius> I believe RAW you just have to be threatening
14:19 <mortswishytail> Ok so what happens then if the person flanking appears
14:34 <mortswishytail> Just for the moment of the attack for the first guy
14:47 <mortswishytail> Then disappears again
14:58 <Steven> then he would provide flanking without a doubt
15:08 <Steven> Common sense contradicts RAW
15:19 <Steven> so it would come down to a GM call
15:27 <mortswishytail> Talking on how to use an imp to flank
15:31 <mortswishytail> Lol
15:51 <Steven> not even an issue
15:54 <mortswishytail> But the monster will know the imp is in that square
15:58 <Steven> they can invis at will
16:02 <mortswishytail> Yeah
16:15 <Steven> so drop invis, get flanking, put invis back up
16:18 <mortswishytail> So the imp decides not to invis
16:21 <mortswishytail> I hit
16:25 <mortswishytail> He puts it back on
16:34 <Steven> 50% miss chance is damned decent
16:57 <mortswishytail> Yeah but its such a pain if he gets killed
17:00 <mortswishytail> Ill be irritated
17:03 <Steven> most mobs will go... hmmm try and hit the invis creature for 50% chance to miss
17:07 <Steven> or hit the dude i can see
17:10 <mortswishytail> Not really upset since he is an imp
17:12 <mortswishytail> But stink
17:14 <mortswishytail> Still
17:35 <mortswishytail> Because if so. Outflank feat just looked more interesting
17:41 <mortswishytail> Since i have a flanking buddy
17:44 <mortswishytail> ^^
18:17 <Steven> well the imp will nearly always have flat footed
18:22 <mortswishytail> It means i can also pass my flanking buddy to the rogue :d
18:24 <mortswishytail> Why?
18:44 <Steven> if he is invisible, creatures are not aware of him at the start of their turn
19:02 <Brunius> Long story short: I need invisibubbleness
19:11 <Brunius> So I can sneak attack people
19:14 <mortswishytail> Of course he is going to be
19:17 <Steven> invisibility is freakin amazing
19:26 <Steven> greater invisibility is godly
19:48 <mortswishytail> Uh don't try that invis trick on me
20:06 <mortswishytail> All my characters have some invisibility counter
20:21 <mortswishytail> Well mort and khaz do
20:26 <Steven> Ausk's invisibilty counter is Judgment light
20:40 <Steven> it makes invisible creatures glow for 11 rounds
20:47 <mortswishytail> Mort specializes in throwing glitterdust
20:55 <mortswishytail> Even on normal encounters
21:05 <Steven> yeah see... judgment light doesnt give them a save vs it
21:18 <mortswishytail> Neither does glitterdust
21:26 <mortswishytail> Not the sparkle part
22:04 <Steven> also depending on the judgements i have up
22:09 <Steven> i can do some pretty cool stuff
22:13 <mortswishytail> Yeah probably
22:26 <mortswishytail> You've grown into my abilities
22:33 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/j/judgment-light
22:34 <mortswishytail> I've barely come into mine
22:51 <mortswishytail> You have grown into your abilities
23:08 <Mekkis> I really need to do something about all these BSODs my PC's giving me
23:20 <Steven> acronyms are my bane
23:24 <Steven> what is bsod
23:43 <Steven> you know, i just printed off a character sheet
23:46 <Steven> and i realize now
23:52 <Steven> this is for an online campaign
24:08 <Steven> i dont need a print off
26:02 <Steven> wish space was here
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26:12 <Steven> i could bug him for more details about divine casters
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28:51 <Steven> ZOMBIE TIME!
30:55 <Mekkis> blue screen of death
31:04 <Mekkis> what happens when you use a windows machine
32:22 <Steven> pfffft
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34:58 <Mekkis> pfffft?
35:18 <Steven> windows is fine
35:30 <Steven> it gets a bad wrap
35:48 <Steven> but all systems give a blue screen of death
39:07 <Steven> cant decide
39:13 <Steven> on a race
42:49 <Mekkis> bullshit
42:58 <Mekkis> my linux boxes just give me kernel panics!
44:49 <Ballig> PANIC! at the disco
45:00 <Steven> oh yeah
45:02 <Steven> fun times
45:07 <Ballig> and I can't remember the last time I had a blue screen of death
45:10 <Ballig> at least 3 years
46:07 <Steven> so.....
46:11 <Steven> world full of darkness
47:33 <Steven> gonna be fun
53:17 <Steven> space you there?
53:33 <Steven> Can i play an Oakling?
53:55 <Steven> w/ the personal quest of trying to 'bring the light back'
54:21 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/3rd-party-races/alluria-publishing/oakling
55:15 <Spaceshot> lolol oakling
55:18 <Spaceshot> are they sentient?
55:22 <Steven> yup!
55:28 <Spaceshot> then most likely
55:31 <Steven> thats the link
55:33 <Steven> up there
55:35 <Spaceshot> yea seen it
55:35 <Spaceshot> :P
55:36 <Steven> its 3rd party content
55:44 <Spaceshot> love me some third party content
55:51 <Spaceshot> also, if you want to be a shadowcaster, I'm just going to laugh
55:52 <Steven> SWEETNESS!
56:04 <Steven> OAKLING INCOMMING!
56:13 <Steven> might do an Oakling Monk
56:42 <Spaceshot> lolol monk
57:02 <Steven> oaklings and monks are made for each other
57:08 <Steven> like.... women and BJs
57:15 <Steven> i mean....
57:20 <Steven> ....
57:27 <Steven> no thats pretty much exactly what i mean
57:41 <Spaceshot> :P
57:52 <Spaceshot> have fun with your sun healing though
58:03 <Steven> hence the personal quest!
58:21 <Spaceshot> to find the sun?
58:28 <Steven> yeah
58:31 <Spaceshot> nice
59:15 <Steven> they live like 300 years
59:34 <Steven> so depending on how old i make this character, i might remember the sun
59:44 <Spaceshot> you probably would :P
00:00 <Spaceshot> actually...
00:06 <Spaceshot> I might make it a bit more than 100 years
00:15 <Spaceshot> because I'm doing my own dieties
00:18 <Spaceshot> maybe 1000years
00:30 <Spaceshot> I want my own deities XD
00:40 <Steven> always good
00:51 <Spaceshot> you'd still of heard of it
00:54 <Steven> shadow plane would probably have very few happy go lucky dieties
01:02 <Spaceshot> theres only going to be 4
01:08 <Spaceshot> if you refresh the page
01:09 <Steven> more neutral deities
01:10 <Spaceshot> it's there XD
01:22 <Steven> and probably one encompassing evil diety or concept
01:59 <Spaceshot> if you can actually break free of the shroud and get to the outer planes, there'd be other deities
02:52 <Steven> hmmmm....
03:05 <Steven> dunno if i could pick oakling then if its going to be 1000s of years
03:09 <Spaceshot> yea you would
03:19 <Spaceshot> the lady of the land makes sure plants are still alive within the world
03:27 <Steven> okay cool
03:42 <Steven> maybe i grew up near a light of the whatever they called
03:48 <Steven> or rather was planted there
03:57 <Spaceshot> Beacon
04:00 <Spaceshot> mmm
04:06 <Spaceshot> there are lost beacons
04:12 <Steven> so happy about oakling
04:13 <Spaceshot> which were probably once a village
04:18 <Spaceshot> yea oakling sounds fine
04:34 <Steven> and sun healing works in magical sun!
04:35 <Steven> woot woot
04:39 <Spaceshot> heh
09:02 <Steven> are you going to use aging rules?
13:49 <Spaceshot> if you are rediculously old yes
15:32 <Steven> im thinkin 200, but i dont want to take the –1 to Str, Dex, and Con; for +1 to Int, Wis, and Cha.
18:17 <Spaceshot> heh
19:45 <Spaceshot> there's the domains done
19:51 <Steven> that way i can say that my great great great grand sire was around when the sun shined
20:12 <Steven> any more greats and it just gets silly
20:13 <Steven> lol
20:19 <Spaceshot> you've probably heard storys which were passed down
20:25 <Spaceshot> or have tomes about it
20:29 <Spaceshot> XD
23:03 <Steven> ....
23:10 <Steven> damn elf class restrictions
23:15 <Spaceshot> for what?
23:19 * Steven repeatedly punches them in the face
23:25 <Steven> Brightness seeker
23:35 <Spaceshot> this is a campaign, you get more leniency
23:39 <Spaceshot> where is that from?
23:48 <Spaceshot> tell me the book, good chance I have it :P
23:54 <Steven> elves of golarion
24:01 <Spaceshot> yup got it :P
24:05 <Steven> me too
24:33 <Steven> i remembered something about a light seeking class
24:38 <Spaceshot> haha
24:39 <Spaceshot> nice
24:54 <Steven> and was like... perfect class for an oakling whos trying to bring the sun back
25:14 <Steven> Race: Elf
25:20 <Steven> LAME
25:24 <Spaceshot> it'd make sense
25:39 <Spaceshot> I can see your oakling being one
25:47 <Spaceshot> you should also check the elven traits
25:51 <Spaceshot> you'll like one
26:27 <Steven> i try to figure out where my character will be going in the long run before figuring out flavor things like traits/feats
26:47 <Spaceshot> mmk
26:51 <Steven> but im thinking if you'll allow it, totaly going seeker
26:59 <Spaceshot> just saying seeker of brightness seems up your ally
27:01 <Spaceshot> alley*
27:04 <Spaceshot> as a trait
28:32 <Spaceshot> the brightness seekers skill prereqs are changed to perception 1, survival 1, know (nature) and know(religion) 1 and 5 (you can decide which is which)
29:56 <Steven> cooooool
30:05 <Steven> so totaly becoming a seeker
30:19 <Steven> OH MAN! i just blew my own mind
30:29 <Spaceshot> hmm??
30:36 <Steven> because i start remembering my past lives
30:44 <Spaceshot> hahaha
30:47 <Steven> totaly going to end up remembering the sun
30:52 <Spaceshot> what class you gonna be first though?
30:52 <Steven> BOOYA!
30:57 <Steven> MIND BLOWN!
32:19 <Steven> im going to do my best to avoid druid
32:39 <Spaceshot> haha
33:21 <Spaceshot> I think it's a tad funny how you're an oakling (who gets -2cha) going to a cha based prestige class :P
33:48 <Steven> yeah
33:53 <Steven> thats easy to get around though
34:04 <Spaceshot> true
34:33 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking of going with 20point buy
34:59 <Steven> usually a pretty solid choice
35:59 <Steven> what i love is that i can give myself wings at level 2 brightness seeker
36:25 <Mort-> Does everything
36:28 <Spaceshot> lolol flying oakling
36:32 <Mort-> Involve you flying?
36:40 * Mort- sighs
36:48 <Steven> YES TODAY EVERYTHING DOES MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
36:58 <Steven> also sam said she has cookies sucks to be you
37:02 <Spaceshot> it's so he can keep his cookies safe
37:06 <Steven> of course it also sucks to be me
37:10 <Steven> cause she wont let me have any
37:44 <Steven> lol
37:49 <Steven> or swimming, i can make myself swim
38:05 <Steven> thats awesome
38:10 * Mort- looks for cookies but goes never mind
38:23 * Steven jumps in a river and starts floating
38:38 * Steven meditates and dives
38:46 <Mort-> Its ok. I'm free from my cookie addiction
39:07 * Steven watches sam wave a cookie infront of morts face
39:28 <Steven> she actually just waved it infront of the computer
39:32 <Steven> but you get the idea
40:34 * Mort- shrugs
40:46 <Mort-> Hydra gave me a cookie this morning.
40:56 <Steven> did he bake it himself?
40:58 <Mort-> I ate it up. I'm fine now.
41:00 <Mort-> Yes.
41:21 <Steven> cause sam baked these, its another one of those chocolate cookies dipped in some mint stuff
41:31 <Steven> they are soooooooooo good
41:38 <Steven> but she wont give me any.
42:05 <Mort-> Its ok. I'm fine really.
42:13 <Mort-> It doesn't hurt.
42:34 <Steven> i kinda wanna steal one
42:39 <Steven> and by one i mean the entire plate
45:05 <Mort-> Don't
45:10 <Mort-> Not lawful
45:46 <Steven> i am totaly okay with that
45:49 <Steven> cause shes teasing me
46:04 <Steven> she thinks shes bein funny
46:12 <Steven> but she is so gonna be sorry when we go to bed
46:32 <Steven> cause im gonna wait till shes sleeping
46:38 <Spaceshot> haha
46:53 <Spaceshot> also, why is no one else making characters
46:56 <Spaceshot> or getting ideas
46:57 <Steven> and then wake her up every five to ten minutes
47:25 <Steven> she doesnt work tomorrow so i can mess up her sleep schedule big time
47:32 <Spaceshot> so nice
47:38 <Spaceshot> maybe you should be a cleric :P
47:47 <Spaceshot> or something odd before hand
48:25 <Steven> gunslinger lol
48:33 <Spaceshot> lol
48:47 <Spaceshot> because going from full bab to half bab is good yes?
48:47 <Spaceshot> XD
48:58 <Steven> fo sho!
49:28 <Spaceshot> why not beastmaster cav?
49:49 <Steven> mostly... because i detest playing cavs
50:16 <Spaceshot> but... but... it's practically a druid but all combat
50:41 <Steven> yeah... and i avoid playing druids like i avoid herpes
50:53 <Spaceshot> haha
50:59 <Spaceshot> maybe a synthesist
51:00 <Spaceshot> :P
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51:34 <Steven> what in gods name would i synthesist with....
51:37 <Steven> oh god i know
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51:46 <Steven> a flame elemental lookin guy
51:56 <Steven> confuse the hell out of everyone
52:26 <Spaceshot> haha
53:00 <Spaceshot> or you could be a druid/brightness seeker/antidruid (forgot the actual PrC name)
53:10 <Mekkis> ah, found what was causing the crashes
53:14 <Spaceshot> you were a druid looking for light, you found it, and you like the power of the heat
53:15 <Spaceshot> XD
53:19 <Mekkis> looks like a new video card is on the books
53:53 <Steven> oh i know
53:55 <Mekkis> what's a "good video card" now?
53:55 <Steven> i could roll a pirate
54:21 <Steven> im partial to gforce cards
54:37 <Mekkis> have they got their fermi shit together?
54:43 <Spaceshot> mekkis talking?
54:51 <Spaceshot> got that guy on ignore btw XD
55:06 <Steven> por que
55:27 <Mekkis> currently have a 5850
55:29 <Mekkis> I think
55:44 <Spaceshot> a ranger?
55:57 <Spaceshot> how about a spellsunger?
56:06 <Mekkis> probably 6850 would be better
56:08 <Spaceshot> wizard with rifle :P
56:17 <Steven> could always make an inquisitor
56:22 <Steven> and scare mort
56:26 <Spaceshot> hehe
56:41 <Spaceshot> you can also go through 3.5 books if they take your fancy
57:11 <Steven> ive never really enjoyed the 3.5 books
57:37 <Steven> i quit in the transition from 3 to 3.5
57:46 * Spaceshot states blankly in confusion
57:48 <Mekkis> what's good on the nvidia camp
57:48 <Spaceshot> what's not to love?
57:53 <Steven> and only recently picked pfs up again
57:54 <Spaceshot> so many PrCs XD
58:11 <Steven> what slot are you running mekkis?
58:27 <Mekkis> PCIe
58:30 <Mekkis> naturally
58:45 <Steven> ...
58:49 <Steven> so what slot are you running?
58:58 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
59:14 <Steven> x16? 1.0 2.0 3.0
59:16 <Mekkis> CPUs haven't been using slots for ages
59:21 <Mekkis> x16 3.0
59:22 <Mekkis> I think
59:42 <Mekkis> I didn't think interface speeds really affected performance much
59:58 <Steven> asus came out with a decent card for like
00:10 <Steven> around 250 i think
00:20 <Mekkis> GTX560?
00:44 <Steven> its a radeon but it was made by asus so i gave it a pass
00:44 <Mekkis> I was of the impression that the difference between brands is just the sticker on the heatsink
00:55 <Steven> i think the number was a 7850
01:01 <Mekkis> ah
02:41 <Steven> im trying to remember what my friend picked up recently
02:54 <Steven> i remember it was a gigabyte
03:03 <Steven> but i dont remember exactly what one he got
03:18 <Steven> it works decently
03:59 <Steven> i remember it was huge as fuck
04:04 <Steven> and had 3 fans on it
04:40 <Steven> was like 450
04:58 <Steven> jesus.... you would think ide remember since he bugged me about it for days
05:39 <Steven> i wanna say 7950
05:44 <Steven> but i dont think thats right
05:51 <Mekkis> the 8800GT was loud
06:51 <Mekkis> I always thought was you throw $400 at it to get a great card, $250 at it to get a good card, $120 to get a decent card, and $40 to drive your third and fourth monitors
08:01 <Steven> or in the case of me and my friends drop 800 and just get two great cards
08:30 <Steven> cause we stupid
08:45 <Steven> and have really amazing gfs who let us do stupid shit like this
08:56 <Steven> sam said i needed to point that out
09:22 <Steven> okay space, decide, spellbreaker Inquisitor
09:45 <Spaceshot> heh
09:54 <Spaceshot> spellbreaker inquisitor brightness seeker?
10:06 <Steven> fo sho!
10:09 <Spaceshot> nice
10:22 <Spaceshot> probably 5/1-3 depending on what level the others want to start at
10:37 <Steven> thats what i figured
13:48 <Spaceshot> I need to add more feats and the Chalice enchantments and the Chalicer magical gear
13:57 <Spaceshot> and I think the setting is good
17:21 <Steven> yeah stats are 16, 12, 14, 13, 16, 8
18:01 <Spaceshot> don't you need cha for brightness seeker>
18:05 <Spaceshot> seeker?
18:10 <Steven> it helps
18:12 <Steven> but not required
18:27 <Spaceshot> I'd be tempted to change it to a different stat if you can give a reasonable reason as to why
18:55 <Steven> im not concerned
19:01 <Spaceshot> mmk
19:29 <Steven> the spell abilities that rely on cha are really not vital for the class
20:54 <Steven> theres an easy fix for a low cha score anyways
23:28 <Steven> okay.....
23:39 <Steven> never mind about the brightness seeker
23:39 <Spaceshot> ?
23:43 <Spaceshot> mmk
23:47 <Spaceshot> found something better?
23:51 <Steven> i totaly forgot this isnt pfs op
23:56 <Steven> and inquisitions are not illegal
23:59 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/archetypes/paizo---inquisitor-archetypes/inquisitions/illumination-inquisition
25:21 <Spaceshot> haha
26:13 <Steven> That fits perfectly into the campaign, and the whole oakling seeking the light
27:48 <Spaceshot> sure does
27:59 <Spaceshot> I'd say your deity is Keeper of Light then
28:00 <Spaceshot> XD
28:33 <Spaceshot> so going back to your roots of playing an inquisitor?
28:42 <Steven> sure is
28:52 <Steven> actually my roots are barbarian
28:57 <Steven> and fighters
29:39 <Steven> I build them with ridiculous skill sets that people scratch their heads att
30:02 <Steven> and trash talk
30:09 <Steven> until they reach like level 5-7
30:13 <Spaceshot> heh
30:19 <Spaceshot> remember, you can get guns :P
30:20 <Steven> and then people are like... that character is just stupid
30:28 <Spaceshot> without having to be a gunslinger XD
31:05 <Steven> he does too much damage, or he doesnt let an enemy do anything... makes teh fight boring
31:17 <Steven> and its like yup.... thats how i roll
31:47 <Mort-> Folnor doesn't do that
31:54 <Mort-> Again he is cleric
32:08 <Steven> yeah, i stopped building fighters till i built salvanar
32:09 <Spaceshot> lemme guess, you're gonna take illusion as your first choice for defense against magic?
32:09 <Mort-> Even sal seems fairly normal
32:35 <Steven> and sal is on his way to combat patrol
32:54 <Mort-> Will be interesting
33:04 <Mort-> But jerus is fun to hide behind
33:11 <Mort-> Been doing it for ages
33:16 <Steven> which means i get to move around and have a 15ft reach
33:19 <Mort-> Long story
33:27 <Steven> and at level 10, i will have a 20 foot reach
33:31 <Mort-> Aoo the fk out of everyone
33:44 <Mort-> Not sure if jerus would but probably not
34:00 <Mort-> I think he is going a different route
34:18 <Steven> basically after level 5 every feat i take will just be to make life hard for mobs
34:38 <Steven> im going to pick up disruptive
34:43 <Steven> which is just fun
34:51 <Steven> when you have a 15ft reach
34:57 <Mort-> How will you get to the bad guys though
35:02 <Mort-> Spell breaker
35:30 <Steven> because mobs think they are save when they 5ft step out of my 10 ft reach, and then when they go to cast
35:36 <Steven> ill move 5 feet and take an attack on them
35:40 <Mort-> I know later my magus can "Teleport" next to a bad guy and hit him on their head
35:45 <Steven> and screw up their spell casting
35:48 <Mort-> Sort of.
36:27 <Mort-> The thing about polearm vs casters is to be next to them
36:40 <Mort-> But since you won't be wearing light armor
36:44 <Mort-> Your a bit slow
37:03 <Steven> yeah, the spell caster will move 5ft into my reach only to find ive moved 5 foot back
37:08 <Steven> they go to cast, and i hit them again
37:33 <Steven> Combat Patrol means i have no dead zone up to my movement speed
38:05 <Steven> its a dick skill
38:53 <Spaceshot> is blindsense, tremor sense and scent the only extra senses?
39:13 <Steven> detect thoughts
39:28 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking more senses, not abilities
39:47 <Steven> some monsters communicate telepathically
42:00 <Steven> Starting level 7?
43:45 <Spaceshot> I'd say build for level 7
43:50 <Spaceshot> good chance it'll be around there
43:55 <Steven> k
44:00 <Spaceshot> 7 is a good number
44:28 <Steven> i like it
44:35 <Spaceshot> well I've got 6 Chalicer feats so far
44:37 <Spaceshot> need more XD
44:55 <Steven> 7 always makes me feel like if i wanted to i could grab it from the page and stab somebody with it
45:01 <Steven> or chop them
45:02 <Spaceshot> haha
47:20 <Steven> oh and as my first defense against magic i took evocation
47:49 <Steven> since i already get to roll will saves twice, and i get a +2 against mide effecting
48:14 <Steven> gonna be difficult to fool the oakling, not impossible, but damned difficult
48:57 <Spaceshot> lol evocation
48:58 <Spaceshot> :P
49:11 <Steven> inquisitors have low reflex saves
49:15 <Spaceshot> XD
49:28 <Steven> nothing worse then getting hit by that lightning bolt... every.... damned.... time
49:29 <Spaceshot> watch out for shadow evocation
49:50 <Spaceshot> lightning bolt might be the least of your worries :P
49:55 <Spaceshot> but you'll never know
51:16 <Steven> oh hey what are the favored weapons of the dieties?
51:33 <Steven> since i get proficiency w/ it lol
51:37 <Spaceshot> haha
51:44 <Spaceshot> I should probably put that in there
51:53 <Spaceshot> I'm so tempted to say torch for Keeper of Light
51:55 <Spaceshot> :P
52:27 <Steven> ill go look at weapons and try to find one torchish
52:43 <Steven> ....
52:47 <Steven> Morning Star lol
53:14 <Spaceshot> I'll see if there's an odd one that's more torchish
54:08 <Spaceshot> nope, guess it's morning star
55:03 <Steven> could do an ever burning torch
55:13 <Steven> negating the -4 for improvised weapon
55:31 <Spaceshot> there's torch fighting under feats
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55:55 <Spaceshot> fuck it, torch it is XD
56:09 <Spaceshot> you get a bonus feat XD
56:47 <Steven> damn its raining pretty hard here
57:04 <Spaceshot> what should Lady of Life's favored weapon be?
58:11 <Steven> has a very travel, nature feal
58:18 <Steven> feel
58:48 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking whip
58:51 <Spaceshot> to represent vines
59:02 <Steven> quarterstaff
59:11 <Spaceshot> either one
59:20 <Spaceshot> I think whip makes more sense (and means people might use whips XD)
59:29 <Steven> mebe....
59:36 <Spaceshot> don't dis the whip
59:47 <Spaceshot> you should read complete scoundrel
59:53 <Spaceshot> under combat tricks
59:54 <Steven> whips are great but you have to sink feats
59:58 <Spaceshot> makes whips awesome
00:18 <Steven> my DM has tried disarming me many times with whip characters
00:25 <Spaceshot> heh
00:27 <Steven> and he always fails...
00:41 <Steven> locked gauntlets>whip disarm
00:42 <Spaceshot> heh
01:04 <Spaceshot> I think I played for about 4-5months as a whip wielding shadowcaster
01:13 <Spaceshot> who would run along her whip
08:07 <Steven> oh suckness
08:24 <Steven> I don't get monster lore
08:38 <Spaceshot> heh
10:53 <War_Wrecker> yay whips
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14:20 <Spaceshot> see, bro likes his whips
14:50 <Hydrazine> oh baby?
14:52 <Steven> yeah.... but he smells like fish
14:53 <Spaceshot> anywho, I'm going to bed now, I'll be working on it more in tomorrow (hopefully get it finished, or at least enough to make characters)
15:04 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: you should roll up a character too XD
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15:10 <Steven> im 3/4 of the way finished
15:21 <Spaceshot> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=36
15:31 <Spaceshot> there's the link again just incase people don't have it up
15:56 <Spaceshot> Steven: you'll be getting a free Chalicer feat, which there might not be one for you yet (haven't finished the list yet, can't remember them all atm :( )
16:02 <Hydrazine> for?
16:10 <Spaceshot> that campaign in the link
16:50 <Steven> thats cool
16:59 <Steven> im just getting the basic character up and running
17:19 <Steven> standard wealth i take it?
17:34 <Spaceshot> not exactly
17:40 <Spaceshot> but something close
18:17 <Spaceshot> I'll put it up in a sec
18:19 <Steven> cool, ill draw up a list of equipment that looks interesting and then spend accordingly when you put up the numebrs
19:33 <War_Wrecker> I've been dropping in all day
19:50 <War_Wrecker> Is there a campaign starting for newish players, or something that I should probably stay away from?
20:16 <Spaceshot> there's the cash
20:26 <Spaceshot> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=36
20:53 <Spaceshot> um... I wouldn't say being familiar with the game will help majorally for my campaign
20:57 <Spaceshot> if that makes things better
21:09 <War_Wrecker> I'm familiar with roleplaying
21:21 <War_Wrecker> its just D&D is a massive clusterfuck of rules
21:32 <War_Wrecker> or rather simple rules
21:36 <War_Wrecker> by many many choices
21:52 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: you don't know choice till you play a classless RPG
21:57 <War_Wrecker> It gets complicated comparatively
22:08 <Spaceshot> mmm
22:11 <War_Wrecker> I know enough about D&D to know exactly how little I know
22:16 <War_Wrecker> Choice is the wrong word
22:19 <Spaceshot> had a guy for shadowrun spend a whole night just working on his drones :P
22:30 <War_Wrecker> I think its more... room for optimization
22:42 <War_Wrecker> Shadowrun is similar but has less added content
22:51 <Spaceshot> 5 books is enough
23:03 <Spaceshot> already got someone playing a shapeshifting dryad
23:20 <Spaceshot> jaguar shapeshifter dryad
23:21 <War_Wrecker> I own dice, not books
23:24 <Spaceshot> anywho, so going to bed now XD
23:29 <Spaceshot> will work on it tomorrow
23:30 <War_Wrecker> Anything that needs 3+ is too much for me
23:33 <Steven> night man
23:33 <Spaceshot> if you are interested, take a look
23:36 <War_Wrecker> k
25:09 <War_Wrecker> This campaign is awesome already
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27:39 <Steven> im involved...
27:43 <Steven> of course it is
28:42 <Mekkis> is it bad that my desk has two laptops and three monitors on it, but the magic cards on it, lying around, are worth more than the computer hardware?
28:58 <Steven> im in the same situation
29:09 <Steven> i think imma go take a nap.
29:16 <Steven> mostly because sam is going to go lay down for a nap
29:21 <Steven> and im thinkin...
29:24 <Mekkis> I found a Bayou under a bunch of paperwork
29:26 <Steven> its sexy time
30:26 <Steven> ive found all kinds of cool stuff in the boxes i have that i never went through
30:51 <Steven> but before i get all distracted by magic
31:02 <Steven> im going to go try to get distracted with my favorite game
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