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03:51 <Brunius> lol, so much lag on baldursgate.com
05:22 <Hydrazine> yo.
05:45 <Brunius> sup
07:32 <Brunius> http://au.pc.gamespy.com/pc/baldurs-gate/1220888p1.html
07:52 <Brunius> All explained
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53:50 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) / Sun 1pm (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
53:50 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Mar 12 13:10:40 2012
54:06 <Mort-> Reflex negates
54:33 <Mort-> What a useless bit of ...:p
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55:11 <Mort-> Yes
57:58 <MekkisScreen> well
58:04 <MekkisScreen> it's a reflex save each roun
58:05 <MekkisScreen> d
58:19 <MekkisScreen> and lets you make use of that move action you'd otherwise not use
59:37 <MekkisScreen> also good at pinpointing invisible things
01:33 <Mort-> If i want things to appear its see invis
01:39 <Mort-> Average damage is 9
01:59 <Mort-> If he saves make it 4
02:01 <Mort-> I think magic missiles are more reliable
02:56 <MekkisScreen> at 7th level, magic missile does 14 damage on average
03:35 <MekkisScreen> flaming sphere does 73.5 * P(failReflexSave)
03:41 <Mort-> And no saves.
03:50 <Mort-> 3d6?
03:54 <MekkisScreen> yeah
03:59 <MekkisScreen> but it lasts rounds per level
05:23 <Mort-> If it enters a space with a creature, it stops moving for the round and deals 3d6 points of fire damage to that creature, though a successful Reflex save negates that damage. 
05:37 <Mort-> I'm sure the monster would be impressed
07:37 <Mort-> 3d6
07:38 <Mort-> Per round
07:38 <Mort-> Rather turn them sparkly
07:38 <Mort-> Technically though. Grease is supposed to work on pallies
08:45 <MekkisScreen> paladins have high saves
09:04 <Mort-> I know
09:21 <Mort-> But that's the lowest save you can grab
09:44 <MekkisScreen> in all my time playing PFS, I have never needed to fight a paladin
10:23 <Mort-> Fortitude and will are out of the windom
10:23 <Mort-> The other one is to touch and i don't do it well
10:23 <Mort-> At least not at 15 ft away
10:28 <Mort-> Yeah but if you do its touch ac
10:33 <Mort-> and reflex saves
11:01 <Mort-> So yup was worth a try trying to make him slip
17:15 <MekkisScreen> no it isn't
17:18 <MekkisScreen> he's a paladin
18:35 <Mort-> Other options were worse
18:51 <Mort-> Except if i ran to max range and tried to take pop shots
19:08 <Mort-> Which considering a 15 ft reach..
19:16 <Mort-> Nah wouldn't work.
19:42 <Mort-> Ray of frost is a 1d3+1 spell
21:17 <MekkisScreen> HE'S a paladin
21:31 <MekkisScreen> if you're attacking a paladin, it's a good sign that you're doing it wrong
22:47 <Mort-> Lol
22:59 <Mort-> There are anti pallies
23:09 <Mort-> Besides its my territory ^^
23:45 <MekkisScreen> You. Don't. Attack. Paladins.
25:02 <Mort-> Yeah just got a rather pointed lesson why
25:13 <Mort-> Or next time remind me to get more buddies ^^
25:41 * Mort- ponders over stuff like tanglefoot bags. 
25:59 <Mort-> Probably wouldn't work. They are pretty easy to slash apart
29:52 <Hydrazine> yo.
29:52 <Mort-> But yes. Pallies are hard to take down. I've been one. Subtract the rp out of it
29:57 <Mort-> Hi :d
30:10 * Mort- randomly fluffs
31:04 <Mort-> And no i don't like pallies 
31:06 <Hydrazine> oh, Mort. I more or less finished big Jerus.
31:08 <Mort-> They make my head hurt
31:14 <Mort-> Argh
31:17 <Hydrazine> Ended up at +28 a swing.
31:23 <Mort-> i wish my way was that clear
31:40 <Mort-> But i really am at quite a loss on where to go
31:47 <Hydrazine> America?
31:56 <Mort-> What i should take
32:06 <Hydrazine> With?
32:11 <Mort-> About the fox with 1000 ideas
32:14 <Mort-> Khaz
32:17 <Hydrazine> Ah.
32:21 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
32:24 <Mort-> And don't know what to do with it
32:26 <Mort-> Grin
32:31 <Hydrazine> Take it step by step.
32:34 <Mort-> That's the problem
32:45 <Mort-> When you have too many ideas
32:54 <Mort-> Personally when i play
33:07 <Mort-> I won't play like i have 15 Minute work days
33:38 <Mort-> Ill probably spend most of my time "flurrying" so to speak
33:51 <Mort-> You won't even realise I have magic probably
33:54 <Mort-> ^^
33:59 <Hydrazine> Did they announce the end result of all this monk flurry discussion?
34:03 <Mort-> Until someone tries to hide
34:08 <Mort-> I didn't read that lol
34:30 <Hydrazine> its.. alot of bull, really.
34:34 <Mort-> If i want pure melee damage output
34:36 <Mort-> Lol
34:41 <Mort-> I'm not running a monk
34:47 <Mort-> So i didn't bother  read
34:53 <Mort-> I go arcane strike
34:58 <Hydrazine> I'll agree that pure damage isn't the main idea of a monk.
35:09 <Mort-> Weapon specialization and that line
35:10 <Hydrazine> but giving them these terrible combat rules is still shitty.
35:30 <Mort-> Sumarize it for me
35:42 <Mort-> I think you won't be affected too much
35:58 <Mort-> Your going to tie people up in knots anyway
36:07 <Hydrazine> Basically, game staff is saying that flurry works about exactly like TWF, including double slice and the improved/greater feats as you progress up.
36:15 <Mort-> Ok
36:25 <Hydrazine> which means that a monk with temple sword can't use the sword for all of his flurry attacks.
36:28 <Mort-> So previously it wasn't like twf?
36:43 <Mort-> Oh its the monk and the temple sword
36:47 <Mort-> Get 2 then
36:53 <Hydrazine> a sohei, (monk polearms kinda mounted combat archetype) is really screwed.
37:16 * Mort- tries to understand but fails
38:04 <Hydrazine> so lets say level 6 monk. flurrys at 4/4/-1.
38:09 <Mort-> Ok
38:24 <Hydrazine> playing by TWF rules, thats MH, OH, MH.
38:37 <Mort-> Urm i can do 5/5/5 at 5
38:42 <Mort-> But never mind :d
38:52 <Hydrazine> So they're saying that a Sohei can't use his polearm for that second attack.
39:06 <Hydrazine> Which is a kick in the teeth.
39:28 <Hydrazine> I didn't see an answer yet as to how Zen archer fits in this.
39:37 <Mort-> The point is flurry was supposed to be you hit with 2 hands?
39:53 <Hydrazine> Since theres nothing clarifying that bows are exempt from this TWF-like business.
40:07 <Mort-> I thought the idea of flurry is you punch him with your left dirt
40:08 <Mort-> Fist
40:14 <Mort-> then your sight
40:16 <Hydrazine> Which means what if you're using a reach weapon?
40:17 <Mort-> Right
40:36 <Mort-> You need 2 hands for a reach weapon
40:38 <Mort-> Its quite silly
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40:50 <Mort-> Because if your at reach you can't fight close range
40:56 <Hydrazine> Exactly.
41:10 <Hydrazine> So you have to do what, kick the ground for your second attack?
41:14 <Mort-> I shamelessly took advantgd of that fact to enlarge you
41:20 <Mort-> Urgh
41:52 <Hydrazine> Full round attacks without flurrying is also a kickin the pants, because without flurry, monks have 3/4ths bab.
42:02 <Mort-> Yes
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42:21 <Mort-> I didn't know there was a monk arch type that did reach weapons
42:26 <Hydrazine> Yep.
42:28 <Mort-> I didn't study that
42:34 <Hydrazine> Even without it, monks are proficient with spears.
42:46 <Mort-> Since i wasnt playing that class
43:04 <Hydrazine> But the flurry arguements are kicking up alot of fuss.
43:26 <Mort-> What is flurry
43:37 <Hydrazine> monk twf.
43:52 <Mort-> Maybe the 2 handed reach thing shouldn't have been allowed in the first place?
43:55 <Hydrazine> but they still suffer from terrible MAD.
44:02 <Mort-> Yeah
44:16 <Mort-> Str dex wis
44:23 <Mort-> Cons too
44:24 <Hydrazine> taking away reach weapons doesn't fix anything.
44:38 <Mort-> :(
44:40 <Hydrazine> Zen archers still can't work if you're following the rules.
44:55 <Hydrazine> Unless you're playing a monk with four arms.
45:14 <Hydrazine> But thats a pretty obscure requirement to have an archetype be useful.
46:03 <Mort-> That's not possible unless you x classed alchemist
46:08 <Hydrazine> it also makes magic weapons less useful for monks, unless you take two of them. which is just getting more expensive.
46:51 <Mort-> Hm
47:18 <Mort-> I remember i had something to say about it earlier
47:58 <Mort-> About me passing my scimitar from one hand to the other to get another attack without twf
48:08 <Mort-> But being a blur sot i forgot
48:14 <Mort-> Ok confessions time. 
48:24 <Mort-> I really do envy you and trist
48:29 <Mort-> Who know where you are going
48:35 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: I'll point out now that the monk "ruling" isn't [o]fficial yet
48:38 <Mort-> I'm still deciding
48:55 <Hydrazine> Whats the word so far?
49:10 <Mort-> I'm like i don't know where i should go
49:16 <MekkisScreen> "It's not in an FAQ, so it's not [o]fficial
49:21 <Mort-> Wait a week it will all become clear
49:33 <Mort-> I'm sure something will get decided
49:40 <Avatar> no such thing as a bad colour spray day
49:52 <Mort-> Its bad to get sprayed
50:11 <Avatar> yeah, unless it's being cast on you
50:11 <Hydrazine> I still think Khaz doesn't end up too bad in the long run.
50:26 <Mort-> I don't know what i should focus on
50:36 <Avatar> did they break zen archer with SKR's ruling?
50:39 <Mort-> I can and will flurry
50:54 <Mort-> I will also crit at the drop of a hat
51:09 <Mort-> I won't be able to force saves for nuts
51:21 <Hydrazine> Avatar, What I saw said nothing specific about Zen Archer, but the overall SKR interpretations of Flurry being like TWF breaks it, yes.
51:38 <Avatar> has anyone complained about it
51:50 <Mort-> I'm looking at touch long term stuff because of my flurry nature
51:53 <Mort-> Lots
51:54 <Mort-> I bet
51:59 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5ec0&page=3?Flurry-of-Changes-to-Flurry-of-Blows
52:12 <Mort-> I smell a hydra complaint
52:13 <Mort-> :d
52:19 <Mort-> I don't speak there so
52:24 <Hydrazine> lol. My monk doesn't even HAVE flurry.
52:44 <Mort-> You don't fight that way
52:45 <Hydrazine> Traded it away to become a monstrous wrestler.
52:59 <Mort-> Its a different style
53:06 <Mort-> I could entangled people i fight
53:12 <Mort-> On a long term basis
53:15 <Mort-> Actually
53:53 <Mort-> And ironic thing. The only person who won't get to hit his entangled defense
53:54 <Mort-> Is me :p
54:26 <Hydrazine> huh?
54:51 <Mort-> Rime
54:54 <Mort-> Frostbite
56:36 <Mort-> The hapless guy i hit will get fatigued and entangled
56:54 <Mort-> And the entangle is one round
57:14 <Mort-> Next round as i am about to hit again. It wears out :p
57:19 <Mort-> Epic.
05:10 <MekkisScreen> but SKR's gone on record saying  that monks are supposed to be weak
05:29 <MekkisScreen> about the time UC was released
05:38 <Mort-> No way
05:41 <Avatar> he probably meant weakER than other certain classes
05:45 <Mort-> Hoku pwns!
06:11 <Avatar> there's a lot of different ways to interpret weak
06:25 <Hydrazine> This doesn't mean that monk archetypes shouldn't atleast work in a logical fashion. Even if somewhat weak.
06:43 <Avatar> yeah
06:49 <MekkisScreen> I know
07:16 <MekkisScreen> but if a class doesn't have support from the developers...
07:37 <MekkisScreen> it's not going to get better anytime soon
09:37 <Avatar> do you have the post where he said it was weak handy
09:42 <Avatar> supposed to be weak*
10:04 <MekkisScreen> no, I don't
12:33 <Avatar> a quick search of "supposed to be weak" doesn't bring it up except for some randoms talking about why it's supposed to be weak
17:00 <Mort-> Tomorrow is my cousins wedding
17:04 <Mort-> So nervous
17:17 <Mort-> Don't want to screw things up
17:40 <Mort-> I'm the bridesmaid
20:50 <Hydrazine> the best thing to do is spill red wine on the bride.
21:44 <Mort-> No :(
21:49 <MekkisScreen> and this is why we call Americans uncivilised!
21:53 <Mort-> I'm wearing a pink dress
21:55 <Mort-> Tomorrow
22:03 <Mort-> Can you guys imagine?
24:53 * Hydrazine considers a lemur in a dress.
25:26 <Mort-> No i can't bring my longsword. 
25:33 <Mort-> Or quarterstaff
25:43 <Mort-> Or scimitar :(
25:57 <Mort-> I swear dresses have acp :(
27:49 <Hydrazine> Does Mort actually own a scimitar and longsword?
29:17 <Mort-> Actually i don't
29:34 <Mort-> i have proficiency with a kitchen knife :p
29:37 <Mort-> Great.
29:57 <Mort-> Nah mort has long sword and quarter staff
30:08 <Mort-> Khaz is the one with scimitar
32:56 <Hydrazine> I'm proficient with a machete!
33:15 <Hydrazine> Favored enemy: bananana tree.
33:56 <Mort-> Lol
34:13 <Mort-> Banana tree? :d
34:23 <Mort-> You like bahnanas?
35:27 <Hydrazine> Theres a stand of them in my back yard.
35:33 <Hydrazine> Had to chop down the done ones.
37:09 <Mort-> I have a banana muffins recipe
40:58 <MekkisScreen> I have exotic weapon proficiency: Soldering iron
42:43 <Hydrazine> I got that!
43:10 <MekkisScreen> really?
43:17 <Hydrazine> Yeah.
43:22 <Hydrazine> Went to some school for it.
43:35 <MekkisScreen> what do you prefer: gas or electric?
43:54 <Hydrazine> Never used gas actually. Not exactly a good environment for it on a sub.
44:12 <MekkisScreen> true
44:20 <MekkisScreen> but at least you don't need cords
45:06 <MekkisScreen> good luck stabbing someone with an electric one
45:23 <Hydrazine> Just takes a bluff check to lure them in range.
45:45 <MekkisScreen> actually, you'll find it's an intimidate check
45:49 <MekkisScreen> that's what Perfection does
50:14 <Mort-> Meeting
50:19 <Mort-> Soon
50:26 <Mort-> Yeah you evil gnome
50:47 <Mort-> You just killed a harmless elf wizzie last night :(
53:43 <Mort-> Hope i don't fail more will saves
54:19 <MekkisScreen> Desna didn't like you
54:42 <Avatar> oh uh
55:03 <Avatar> darkwhite confirmed you only need reroll shirt on your person, and to let the GM know before the scenario starts that you have it
55:07 <Mort-> I have done nothing
55:15 <Mort-> To her
55:17 <Mort-> Anyway
55:24 <Avatar> I stupidly made the post private, so I can't link it for you guys to see
55:29 <Mort-> Besides mort doesn't like fighting
55:29 <Avatar> I'll send a screenshot if you're curious
55:45 <Mort-> Got dragooned into it
58:42 <Mort-> I haven't done anything against her teachings
58:45 <Mort-> To be honest
04:52 <MekkisScreen> don't lie
05:54 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: fyi, a medium fits me
07:32 <Mort-> Seriously
07:33 <Mort-> What
07:44 <Mort-> My concience is clear
07:45 <Avatar> you are probably thinner than me?
07:56 <Avatar> a bit
08:29 <Avatar> do you ever have to wear larges
08:47 <Mort-> Small ftw
09:05 <Mort-> Seriously. Id go to nethys in peace
09:16 <Mort-> Ive lived my life. As i should have
09:25 <Mort-> Generally done no harm.
10:31 <Avatar> I should be clearer 
10:37 <Avatar> you just need to have the shirt with you at the table
10:41 <Avatar> you don't need to tell them GM beforehnad
10:50 <Avatar> although he recommends you tell the GM just in case you somehow forget you have it
11:24 <Avatar> don't go quoting me that he said you must tell the GM beforehand or else you don't get the reroll, that's wrong
14:13 <Avatar> what's that trait that gives you +1 with nonlethal attacks
14:16 <Avatar> blade of mercy?
14:32 <Hydrazine> think so.
15:31 <Avatar> found another trait that reduces the non-lethal penalty, looks inferior
15:41 <Avatar> but blade of mercy is restricted to slashing
16:00 <Avatar> this other one reduces the penalty to -2, and only after attacking once with it
16:52 <Avatar> and you have to "relearn" the weapon every time you pick it up again
21:59 <MekkisScreen> roger took that
22:01 <MekkisScreen> he died
22:05 <MekkisScreen> therefor
22:10 <MekkisScreen> taking that makes you die
22:12 <MekkisScreen> :)
30:25 <Avatar> yeah because I didn't know how to play PFS
30:36 <Avatar> you can't use roger as an example for anything
31:07 <Avatar> the fact that I made him a bard should speak volumes :P
37:31 <MekkisScreen> if THAT'S your problem, I think you should read up on correlation and causality
38:02 <Hydrazine> Can we use Roger as an example of how people new to a game make mistakes?
41:10 <MekkisScreen> not really
49:39 <Avatar> new to PFS :P
49:48 <Avatar> Mekkis: correlation and casuality? 
49:50 <Avatar> what do you mean
50:30 <Hydrazine> The Eschaton says Thou shalt not violate causality!
00:11 <Avatar> what
00:23 <Avatar> oh, causality, not casuality lolll
00:37 <Avatar> I still don't understand what you mean
01:29 <Mort-> Don't understand
03:17 <Mort-> I am glad mort is a ranged fighter
03:26 <Mort-> Else i think id die more :d
06:07 <Mort-> Doesn't Matter at the end of the day if you want to deal lethal or non lethal
06:21 <Mort-> Just make sure you can switch at will
09:56 <Mort-> Tz 
31:01 <MekkisScreen> Avatar, what I mean is just because roger had that trait, and roger died, doesn't mean that having that trait makes you die
31:34 <MekkisScreen> I mean, Snake was a summoner. he died. 
31:47 <MekkisScreen> Doesn't mean that making a summoner makes you die
32:27 <MekkisScreen> there is a weak correlation
32:37 <MekkisScreen> but no causal link
34:03 <MekkisScreen> there might be a link behind making characters with stupid names, and them dying....
34:48 <MekkisScreen> or between not making backstories, and characters dying
35:31 <MekkisScreen> look at Joe!
35:59 <MekkisScreen> he had a backstory, and - even against overpowered level 20 characters, he didn't die!
41:44 <Mort-> I think at the end of the day its how you play your cards
42:05 <Mort-> If they are stacked against you well shit happens
43:41 <Mort-> I don't think character back stories make any difference technically
43:58 <Mort-> Its all the fun thing. You want to do it or you foot
44:00 <Mort-> Don't
44:33 <Mort-> But people who do back stories tend to care about their characters more. And thus are more careful with them.
45:02 <Mort-> I'm for the theory that a single rock at the right place can create a land slide
45:19 <Mort-> Again maybe I've read too much dresden files
45:54 <Mort-> And at the end of the day. As long as you fought to the best of your ability - at least you tried :d
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46:27 <Mort-> Urgh
46:34 <Mort-> Mek i just preached
46:36 <mekkis_tablet> ugh?
46:45 <mekkis_tablet> for what>
46:55 <mekkis_tablet> ircing at work?
46:58 <Mort-> I said at the end of the day
47:11 <Mort-> Its how you play your cards
47:50 <Mort-> And whether you have a back story or not doesn't really make a diff in game if you survive or not
48:10 <Mort-> Its that people who do generally feel more for their characters
48:17 <Mort-> And are more careful 
48:49 <Mort-> Its like saying people who buy life insurance live longer
49:11 <Mort-> Because if they buy life insurance they are planning ahead.
49:28 <Mort-> And subconsciously they make decisions that will help them live longer
50:01 <Mort-> My brother has this book some place
50:09 <MekkisScreen> really?
50:13 <MekkisScreen> there's that
51:55 <Mort-> Weight
51:56 <Mort-> Yes
52:16 <Mort-> About weird corelations
52:48 <Mort-> About terrorists never buy life insurance as well
53:16 <Mort-> Its a pretty cute read and he keeps trying to get me to read it.
53:29 <Mort-> While hogging onto the book
53:55 <mekkis_tablet> that might be one thing
53:59 <mekkis_tablet> I think there's more though
55:49 <Mort-> That book has all kinds of funny corelations
56:23 <Mort-> Of course I'm half bard i think in person
56:32 <Mort-> So spinning stories is fun? :d
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19:18 <Mort-> Anyway mek i suppose if I'm free we can talk philosophical shop
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32:08 <Brunius> That's pretty interesting.
32:22 <Brunius> Avatar's characters die all the time and he has essentially no backstory.
36:31 <Brunius> http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=FF55AD5C-71BB-1014-97EB-8A2AA317CD74:en_US
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39:18 <Mort-> Do you have back stories for your characters?
39:31 <Mort-> I have back stories because i think its fun to do it
56:21 <Brunius> I have backstories for everyone except Kaleb, Derau and Laniss
56:45 <MekkisScreen> yes, I do
57:58 <Mort-> Oh
58:19 <Mort-> But when your a pally you didn't do any pally things :p
58:44 <Mort-> Have to admit i only have back stories for mort and khaz atm
59:17 <Mort-> I really think playing khaz is going to get very interesting
59:23 <Mort-> ^^
00:27 <Mort-> Combat wise
03:37 <MekkisScreen> I know
03:46 <MekkisScreen> I might build Asmel's brother
03:54 <Mort-> Lol
04:07 <Mort-> I forsee lots of dirtnaps
04:11 <Mort-> I will not forget to.
04:26 <Mort-> Use shield before i enter combat.
04:41 <Mort-> Light armor ftw'
04:56 <Mort-> And I'm uh trying to learn how to flank?
04:58 <Mort-> Oh dear.
05:05 <Mort-> There is this saying 
05:11 <Mort-> When your enemy is in range
05:15 <Mort-> So are you :p
05:34 <Mort-> If your in range to flank your probably in range to being flanked ..,
23:05 <MekkisScreen> oh
23:08 <MekkisScreen> you're a wizard
23:11 <MekkisScreen> hehe
23:21 <MekkisScreen> so you can't just pick up a longspear
23:36 <Mort-> Dude
23:40 <Mort-> I'm not a wizard.
23:46 <Mort-> I am a magus :d
23:57 <Mort-> Mort will find her way
24:10 <MekkisScreen> just use a longspear
24:12 <MekkisScreen> or glaive
24:15 <Mort-> There is always the bow
24:17 <MekkisScreen> or lucerne hammer
24:29 <MekkisScreen> or faulchard
24:30 <Mort-> Actually i generally use bow on mort
24:36 <MekkisScreen> like Xanian does
24:40 <Mort-> No 2 handed weapons
24:44 <Mort-> For khaz
24:47 <Mort-> Nope
24:54 <Mort-> One handed only.
24:54 <MekkisScreen> why not
25:06 <Mort-> I can't flurry with 2 hs :d
25:14 <MekkisScreen> it's a free action to change which hands your weapons are in
25:16 <MekkisScreen> :S
25:27 <Mort-> I need a one handed weapon to "flurry"
25:40 <Mort-> Aka i need one free hand before i can use spell combat
25:56 <Mort-> Should i use frostbite then yes i can switch to 2 hs
26:11 <Mort-> But generally ill "flurry"
26:20 <Mort-> That is at level 3
26:22 <Brunius> I am totally gonna put a limit on the number of free actions you can have in a turn
26:32 <Mort-> Hit him once with sword.
26:38 <Mort-> With spell combat
26:50 <Mort-> Ray of frost free touch attack
26:59 <Mort-> Slap him again with swordfish
27:01 <Mort-> Sword
27:05 <Mort-> Flurry lol
27:32 <Mort-> I just twfed :p
30:23 <Mort-> Bleh
30:28 <Mort-> Pike? :(
30:33 <Mort-> So not wizard
32:03 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: I empty my pack.
33:36 * Mort- runs over and steals all the cookies in the pack
33:48 * Brunius bakes some cookies.
34:16 * Mort- tumbles brunius over to steal all his cookies
35:56 * Brunius levels a crossbow at Mort-
36:07 <Brunius> "I'll have them cookies back, thanks."
36:44 <MekkisScreen> the pack's full of oil, acid and alchemist's fore
36:46 <MekkisScreen> fire*
36:48 <Mort-> !throw 1d20-10 bluff
36:49 <diebot> Mort-, bluff: [1d20=5] -5
36:52 <Mort-> Oh oh
37:11 <Mort-> But they are mine because you baked them for me right?
37:32 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: come to Brisbane. I have cookies
37:46 <Mort-> Pay for my air ticket
37:47 <Mort-> Lol
37:54 <Mort-> You'll corrupt me :d
38:20 <Mort-> Do you speak in your voice when you rp your character?
38:45 <Mort-> Morts voice would be kind of bubbly
39:15 <Mort-> Khaz - not possible because I'm female lol
41:15 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: I try
41:35 <Mort-> Cant. Khaz has a far lower voice then i can do
54:27 <MekkisScreen> you can try
01:55 <Mort-> Lol
04:27 <MekkisScreen> speccing out a new machine for work
04:29 <MekkisScreen> 8 cores
04:33 <MekkisScreen> 32GB RAM
04:48 <MekkisScreen> the cheapest graphics card we could find!
09:59 <Mort-> :p
10:09 <Mort-> I just found a false life
10:17 <Mort-> How to increase your hp...
10:34 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/ablative-barrier
11:16 <Mort-> That's nice. So probably with it on ill probably pass out in a fight rather then dying straight
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13:56 <MekkisScreen> that's pretty good
13:58 <MekkisScreen> and wow
14:03 <MekkisScreen> it's on the sommoner list!
14:49 <Mort-> Yeah its the how to stay alive list
14:57 <Mort-> I dislike mirror image
14:59 <Mort-> Actually
15:06 <Mort-> If your ac is 21
15:28 <Mort-> A big boss hits around you even a miss by 5 destroys one of your mirrors
15:42 <Mort-> Heck. Even a minion could do that
15:54 <MekkisScreen> you should play a synthesist who becomes a giant lemure
15:59 <Mort-> Lol
16:14 <Mort-> I don't like mirror image
16:21 <Mort-> God knows why people swear by it
16:34 <MekkisScreen> go on
16:37 <Mort-> Too short duration and imo subjective
16:38 <MekkisScreen> make a synthesist
16:44 <Mort-> No :d
17:35 <Mort-> Bite claw claw tail slap
17:38 <Mort-> Pounce.
17:45 <Mort-> Definitely pounce.
20:29 <MekkisScreen> yep!
20:40 <Mort-> Might actually cut down potion use.
20:47 <MekkisScreen> yep
20:52 <MekkisScreen> get a wand
20:56 <Mort-> Since with infernal healing you heal both lethal and non at same time
21:03 <Mort-> I was thinking scrolls
21:08 <Mort-> I can't even cast it yet
21:09 <MekkisScreen> of LRE
21:09 <Mort-> Lol
21:22 <Mort-> Lre?
21:46 <Mort-> But don't abuse it
22:06 <Mort-> Still working out how much extra hp it actually gives you
22:27 <Mort-> Ideally khaz should aim not to need healing during combat
22:45 <Mort-> Because after he can heal himself efficiently
23:00 <Mort-> A) either get a nice hp pool
23:14 <Mort-> Or b) do something like thirsting
23:16 <Mort-> This
23:41 <Mort-> But it doesn't really give you an infimite pool of hp
23:51 <Mort-> Need to see exactly how much
24:56 <Mort-> At level 2 my hp is 17
25:27 <Mort-> If i forced the scroll out i can absorb 15 points of lethal into non lethal
25:43 <Mort-> But if lethal + non lethal hits 17
25:53 <Mort-> I'm still out of the fight
26:44 <Mort-> Assuming gobbie hits me for 5 dmg for 3 rounds straight
27:02 <Mort-> The 4th round he does that ill still be on the floor
27:05 <Mort-> Hm
29:49 <MekkisScreen> Lesser Restore Eidolon
30:20 <Mort-> I'm not a synthesis
30:39 <Mort-> I'm a magus trying not to take too many dirtnaps
30:50 <MekkisScreen> bite claw claw tailspap?
31:21 <Mort-> If i were translating my lemur to a synthesis
31:28 <Mort-> Yes that's how it would work out
31:44 <MekkisScreen> then do it!
31:45 <Mort-> Pounce. Bite claw claw tail slap
31:48 <Mort-> Lol
31:51 <Mort-> Very funny
31:58 <MekkisScreen> summoners are underrepresented in this channel!
32:03 <Mort-> I told you i don't like summoner spell list
32:09 <Mort-> So are magi :d
32:14 <MekkisScreen> yeah
32:17 <Mort-> And inquisitors
32:20 <MekkisScreen> but magi... suck :S
32:22 <Mort-> And bards
32:23 <Mort-> Heh
32:34 <Mort-> We all pick our own way down to hell
32:40 <Mort-> Ill find a way to make it work
32:56 <MekkisScreen> hn
33:15 <Mort-> I find the summoner spell list too defensive
33:46 <Mort-> If i ever do bard it will be rdd
33:57 <Avatar> what kind of spells do you want on the summoner list
34:38 <Mort-> Crowd control stuff
34:46 <Mort-> Hold monster
34:50 <Mort-> Hideous laughter
35:02 <Mort-> I don't miss evocation much actually
35:27 <Avatar> create pit
35:44 <Avatar> spiked pit
37:32 <Mort-> But would like at least one direct damage spell per level
37:42 <Mort-> Don't tell me about pits
38:14 <Mort-> Its dangerous to use
50:22 <Mort-> I guess the point of this spell is that if you don't get hammered too badly it makes it easier to fix
50:39 <Mort-> The true test is to do it in game though
50:45 <Mort-> But i like the long duration
53:41 <Mort-> Similarly desperate magi are known to do vampiric touch when they get upset
58:39 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: glitterdust
58:51 <MekkisScreen> black tentacles
59:19 <Mort-> I can do it both
59:25 <Mort-> As magus
59:37 <Mort-> What you can do i can do too :d
59:45 <Avatar> sorry, why are pits dangerous
00:06 <Mort-> Because being next to a pit
00:19 <Mort-> You have to make reflex save not to fall in
00:28 <Mort-> With a +2 bonus
00:37 <Mort-> Morts dc is 18
00:56 <Mort-> Believe me you don't want to try to beat that
01:14 <Avatar> the range isn't 5ft away is it
01:32 <Mort-> Anyone standing adjacent to a pit
01:33 <Avatar> why are you casting it right next to yourself
01:41 <Mort-> has to make reflex save
01:54 <Mort-> Assume tight quarters
02:04 <Mort-> Which is more often then not the case
02:21 <Avatar> don't think it's always the case
02:23 <Mort-> Also know there is a combat mameuver
02:27 <Avatar> I mean even then, just move it another 5ft away
02:29 <Mort-> Named bull rush
02:31 <Avatar> so they have to make a reflex save and you don't
02:38 <Mort-> And reposition
03:04 <Mort-> Those two make me nervous when i try to use pits
03:13 <Mort-> Meeting soon
03:39 <Mort-> I drank coffee
03:40 <Avatar> bit picky mort
03:48 <Mort-> Feel it through my system now :(
04:09 <Avatar> I drink the coffee so I can feel it through my system :)
04:14 <Avatar> good except at bedtime
04:29 <Mort-> I am a control freak
04:37 <Mort-> If you want to put it as that
04:51 <Mort-> Why do you think my blasting is done using magic missiles
05:14 <Mort-> Because no saving throws. Pure spell damage
09:05 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: no idea
17:49 <Avatar> maybe you should play a multiclass sorcerer/summoner
18:03 <Avatar> or a multiclass sorcerer/wizard/summoner
22:17 <Brunius> He'd probably go 1Sorc/1Wiz/10Summ
22:46 <MekkisScreen> me?
23:03 <MekkisScreen> 2Pal/10Summ is good
23:25 <MekkisScreen> possibly even 2Pal/1Monk
23:53 <MekkisScreen> one weakness of a summoner is the saves
59:55 <Mort-> Don't stand in the way lol
00:16 <Mort-> You have this big eidolon pet to tank for you
00:23 <Mort-> You can hide behind him
10:08 <Mort-> If i want damage in pfs I'm going to swing a sword
13:01 <Mekkis> I'm looking for a music player from which it's easy to delete the currently playing song
14:10 <Brunius> Surely it can't be that hard to code one yourself
14:14 <Brunius> Isn't there a play command?
14:21 <Mekkis> not sure
14:28 <Mekkis> I'd just hook into mplayer
14:29 <Mekkis> but still
18:14 <Mort-> I don't want to look into x class yet
18:36 <Mort-> Though may consider eldritch knight in the future
18:46 <Mekkis> why?
18:49 <Mort-> Not sure if that's a good idea or not
18:56 <Mort-> Just seeing
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19:03 <Mort-> I may never really x class
19:04 <Mekkis> eldritch knight requires cross-classing
19:30 <Mekkis> yay for windows updates
19:34 <Mekkis> that cause BSODs
19:36 <Mort-> I don't
19:40 <Mort-> Why would i
19:49 <Mort-> Cast 3 rd level arcane spells
19:54 <Mekkis> ok
19:55 <Mekkis> sorry
19:57 <Mort-> Not hard...
20:14 <Mekkis> require either cross-classing, or seriously nerfing whatever class you started with
20:17 <Mekkis> hmmm
21:08 <Mort-> The problem is i don't know what i truly want yet
21:20 <Mekkis> then play/run more games
21:24 <Mekkis> and stop theorising
21:25 <Mort-> In a way yes i envy hydra and trist
21:27 <Mort-> Yeah
21:41 <Mort-> Sure. But I'm away this week end :d
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21:55 <Mort-> Hopefully not too hung over to play on Sunday
23:41 <Mort-> Otherwise probably sloppy tactics when i get right down to fighting
28:00 <Mort-> And i already said I'm not running anything here
31:34 <Mort-> Its like trying to direct an ochestra when your tone deaf
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51:39 <Mort-> Bleh
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51:49 <Mort-> I hate coffee effects
51:59 * Mort- feels weird
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52:47 * Mort- twitches
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57:05 * Mort- lays an ambush for ballig
57:12 <Ballig> what
57:21 <Ballig> you can't ambush me when I'm here
57:25 <Mort-> The worst has happened
57:35 <Spaceshot> he succeeded surprise round
57:39 <Mort-> I've fallen to the dark side
58:59 <Mort-> I drank coffee to stay awake during a meeting
58:59 <Mort-> :(
59:05 <Spaceshot> so what's planned for tomorrow?
59:13 <Mort-> And now its coursing through my veins
59:25 * Mort- bites ballig
00:05 <Mekkis> I'll run something
00:06 <Mekkis> I think
00:34 * Mort- claws ballig
01:18 <Spaceshot> and sunday?
01:55 <Brunius> shadows last stand is being run
01:55 <Ballig> I'm running a game on Sunday
01:57 <Brunius> by ballig I think
02:08 <Mort-> Ok bringing mort
02:14 <Spaceshot> what prefered tier?
02:19 <Mort-> If I'm not hung over
02:23 <Spaceshot> if there are any free spots that is :P
02:29 <Mort-> Probably 3-4
02:34 <Ballig> I have 5 people accepted
02:35 <Mort-> The way it sounds
02:37 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/schedule.php5?id=23
02:48 <Ballig> you received an invite
02:51 <Ballig> like a week ago
03:28 <Brunius> Hurry the fuck up Minotaur
03:36 <Brunius> Been waiting like a month for this crap to arrive
03:47 <Spaceshot> yea, I should really look at those
03:55 <Spaceshot> what are you buying brunius?
04:04 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, would you be playing on Saturday?
04:13 <Brunius> I ordered some paizo stuff off them
04:14 <Spaceshot> possibly, but that's a long shot
04:26 <Spaceshot> might be going to look around the markets on sat
04:43 <Mekkis> because I don't think Ava would have a good time in Murder on the Throaty Mermaid
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05:13 <Mekkis> lots of talking, by people who'd rather he didn't hear
05:15 <Spaceshot> too low level? or requires hearing?
05:21 <Spaceshot> :P
05:24 <Spaceshot> that'd be funny
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06:02 <Spaceshot> well there's one for Gol then
06:47 <Mekkis> gol?
07:09 <Ballig> isn't tomorrow meant to be city of strangers
07:18 <Spaceshot> new character, going for Stalwart Monolith (stalwart defender and living monolith
07:19 <Spaceshot> )
08:28 <Mort-> Class wise i think we have 2 fighters for tomorrow
08:55 <Spaceshot> but I still doubt I'll be playing tomorrow anyway
08:58 <Spaceshot> probably going out
09:02 <Mort-> Ah k
09:07 <Mort-> Ill be at cousins wedding
09:12 <Mort-> So point is moot
10:50 <Mekkis> that's why it isn't City of Strangers
11:49 <Mort-> Sorry guys!
11:53 <Mort-> Rl calls!
12:06 <Mort-> a fluffy mur in a pink dress:-)
13:03 <Spaceshot> haha
13:10 <Spaceshot> pics or it didn't happen
13:11 <Spaceshot> XD
13:38 <Mort-> Maybe ill post
13:56 <Ballig> Mekkis: you're insisting on absolutely everyone being available for city of strangers?
29:48 <Ballig> Spaceshot: http://i.imgur.com/SIP2V.jpg
31:27 <Spaceshot> I approve
36:10 <Spaceshot> also, are you trying to say something?
37:20 <Ballig> on
37:53 <Spaceshot> ok then
37:56 <Spaceshot> thought something was up
37:57 <Spaceshot> :P
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58:44 <Brunius> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417669_318548748208051_273533142709612_898899_993042344_n.jpg
51:14 <Avatar> arg shit, it's friday
51:18 <Avatar> we should have played a game
51:32 <Avatar> why didn't someone tell me what day it is
51:42 <Brunius> because you're a big boy now avatar
51:47 <Ballig> ha
51:48 <Ballig> burn
51:48 <Brunius> we expect you to do these things on your own
51:55 <Avatar> that's more of an excuse for me to forget !
56:41 <Spaceshot> Avatar: just because you don't work doesn't mean it's an excuse to forget what day it is
57:18 * Mort- nibbles ballig
57:24 <Ballig> why am I being nibbled
57:39 <Spaceshot> you must be tasty
58:17 * Brunius slides a silvered dagger into his boot
58:36 <Mort-> I'm probably not going to get much sleep tonight
58:59 <Brunius> I ready to attack Mort- if she attempts an attack or combat manuveur.
59:08 * Mort- is not a weremur
59:34 * Mort- casts magic missile on ballig
59:38 <Mort-> Its not an attack!
00:51 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5bt2?A-Plea-to-Organized-Players
01:04 <Brunius> Fairly sure it is an attack.
01:11 <Brunius> Gogo Bob Janquet
01:16 <Brunius> Is that the one that he posted?
01:33 <Brunius> Jonquet
02:15 <Avatar> yeah
02:18 <Mort-> Its a spell!
02:31 <Brunius> An offensive spell.
02:47 <Brunius> Readied actions are based on the perception of the person readying.
04:29 <Brunius> How do people feel about a swashbuckling campaign?
04:41 <Spaceshot> you running a campaign?
04:43 <Spaceshot> I wouldn't mind
04:49 <Spaceshot> can I use 3.5 material XD
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08:02 <Brunius> No.
08:07 <Brunius> Mmm, Maybe.
08:19 <Avatar> is it PFS
08:25 <Brunius> Avatar, no.
08:28 <Brunius> Get over it.
08:30 <Avatar> pass
08:35 <Avatar> you didn't say man
08:45 <Avatar> do you want an answer or not
08:49 * Mort- splats
09:08 <Brunius> While PFS is nice, there are certain things it doesn't allow for.
09:14 <Spaceshot> he said campaign avatar, that would generally give the assumption it's not PFS
09:16 <Avatar> you dont' need to justify it
09:20 <Avatar> I just wanted to know whether it was or not
09:21 <Spaceshot> and I'm with brunius on that logic
09:28 <Hydracell> Brunius is running non pfs games? 
09:36 <Spaceshot> can't play arcane snipers
09:37 <Mort-> Don't care as long as we have fun fun fun!
09:44 <Spaceshot> quite likely hydra
09:53 <Mort-> Hi hydracell
09:55 <Spaceshot> I wouldn't mind playing in a proper campaign
10:07 <Hydracell> Sweet? And hi. 
10:54 <Hydracell> I kinda miss it really. 
11:07 * Mort- shrugs
11:09 <Spaceshot> same
11:17 <Spaceshot> I miss continuity mainly
11:28 <Mort-> I just figured a way to make healing me more effective
11:31 <Spaceshot> and developing a proper character
11:44 <Mort-> I'm still bringing my magus :p
11:52 <Mort-> Grin :d
13:23 <Hydracell> I miss dragonstar games v
13:36 <Mekkis> Brunius, sure!
13:46 <Mort-> Don't ask me to get used to a new system please
13:52 <Mort-> My brains are small and tiny
14:33 <Spaceshot> brunius, I'm guessing the theme would be us being pirates of some form
14:41 <Hydracell> It was a 3. 5 setting. Not a new system. 
14:45 <Spaceshot> so anything from 3.5 would have to relate to being a pirate to be considered correct
15:22 <Mekkis> I thought it'd just have to be allowed by the DM
15:26 <Hydracell> So what are you plotting brunius? I missed it. 
15:44 <Spaceshot> [10:04.27] <Brunius> How do people feel about a swashbuckling campaign?
16:04 <Hydracell> Cool. 
16:10 <Mekkis> should get bonuses for roleplaying each blow!
16:15 <Spaceshot> well I know it only has to be allowed by brunius, but since it's a swashbuckling campaign, I was going to save the trouble of asking him shit that doesn't relate
16:29 <Mekkis> save him the trouble and keep it Pathfinder
16:33 <Spaceshot> should also get bonuses for using a rapier
16:35 <Spaceshot> or scimitar :P
16:40 <Mort-> Oh no. A swashbuckling magus
16:42 <Mort-> ><
16:46 <Mekkis> or pistol?
16:54 <Spaceshot> while pathfinder is nice, it doesn't have everything
17:01 <Spaceshot> probably
17:04 <Mort-> I'm not doing ranged fighting
17:22 <Spaceshot> pistol myrmidon magus :P
17:23 <Mekkis> maybe play an unholy gun!
17:53 <Spaceshot> 3.5 mainly has prestige classes that I'd want
18:11 <Mekkis> have you tried converting 3.5e prestige classes?
18:11 <Spaceshot> doubtfully any base class that I'd want would be allowed (people always hating on incarnum)
18:13 <Mekkis> it's not easy!
18:33 <Spaceshot> yes to some extent
18:36 <Spaceshot> and it is quite easy
18:46 <Mekkis> then you're not doing it properly
18:53 <Spaceshot> depends on how much of the prestige class is altered because of pathfinder rules
19:00 <Mort-> No
19:15 <Mekkis> if you think it's easy, you're missing things
19:24 <Spaceshot> what's there to miss
19:34 <Spaceshot> you reduce skill requirements by 3
19:47 <Mekkis> (the Red Wizard of Thay conversion I did was designed to be powerful)
19:48 <Spaceshot> BAM
19:49 <Spaceshot> so hard
19:58 <Mekkis> and see?
20:02 <Mekkis> you've missed things!
20:16 <Mekkis> (saves, for one)
20:21 <Spaceshot> you don't try to balance it when you convert
20:30 <Spaceshot> oh yea they don't have bullshit saves anymore do they?
20:48 <Hydracell> Other prestige classes are designedto be weak? 
20:49 <Mekkis> what do you mean you don't try to balance it?
21:00 <Mekkis> of course you try to balance it!
21:19 <Spaceshot> you don't try to balance a 3.5 PrC to be in line with the balance of a pathfinder PrC
21:26 <Spaceshot> that's not conversion, that's a personal want
22:34 <Spaceshot> because even more so for a campaign, you don't need to be OMGWTF awesome
22:47 <Mekkis> that's where I disagree. You work with the player to create a prestige class that's in line with what the player wants, what the rest of the party's power level is, and such that it's appropriately challenged by the encounters
23:15 <Hydracell> Supposedly you don't need to for pfs either. 
23:19 <Mekkis> you don't just rub off some skills and call it a day
23:32 <Spaceshot> using that logic, you should also give fighters the ability to cast spells at level 6+ if the rest of the party is spell casters
23:40 <Mekkis> no
23:41 <Spaceshot> to keep with the rest of the parties power level
23:48 <Spaceshot> same logic
23:52 <Mekkis> but you should give them something that keeps them in the same bracket
23:59 <Hydracell> Totally out there, space 
24:14 <Spaceshot> I'm saying the base fighter, not the archetypes
24:25 <Spaceshot> I know shit like oskar is awesome without spells
24:39 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, you've obviously never played a level 6 fighter
24:54 <Spaceshot> mekkis, I really don't care about personal experiences
24:57 <Spaceshot> I'm just taking your logic
24:59 <Spaceshot> and using it
25:04 <Spaceshot> in a general situation
25:14 <Hydracell> 3. 0 psions q
25:21 <Spaceshot> you don't need to go through anything a player wants a talior make it to their wants
25:41 <Mekkis> you're taking my logic, applying it to the wrong situation, adding some incorrect assumptions, and giving a completely incorrect conclusion
25:42 <Spaceshot> you may wish to, and if they want an alteration which seems fair then sure go nuts
25:54 <Spaceshot> but you don't automatically change shit if they're fine the way it is
26:06 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: you do that as a day to day basis
27:01 <Hydracell> If you two don't cut it out I'm turning this car around ..
27:02 <Spaceshot> I don't really care to have a fight, because I know you will eventually end up finding something under a rock in the artic that will prove you right and others wrong
27:05 <Spaceshot> and it's just a waste of time
27:37 <Spaceshot> also, emo manga is very fucking emo
28:06 <Spaceshot> so hydra, you up for some pirating?
28:18 <Hydracell> Any idea on when this is going down brunius? 
28:19 <Spaceshot> got ye eyepatch ready?
28:35 <Spaceshot> I'd guess after conquest (which is in a few weeks)
29:02 <Hydracell> I think i can find a charsheet for my 3. 5 swashbuckler. 
29:47 <Spaceshot> heh, the complete series
29:52 <Spaceshot> they were cool back in the day
30:01 <Spaceshot> you so need to get some skill tricks
30:02 <Hydracell> In my closet with my 3. 0 psionics handbook and all my dragonstar sheets. 
30:48 <Mort-> I don't think you want to see what i would do
31:02 <Mort-> Intend to make everyone run away from me screaming
31:04 <Mort-> :p
31:12 <Mekkis> that works well on a ship!
31:30 <Mort-> Really
31:44 <Mort-> Where are my saps :p
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33:23 <Avatar> mort want to see a cool trick
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33:48 <Hydracell> I like cool tricks. 
33:56 <Avatar> this one's just for mort
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36:23 <Hydracell> Mort, I still want you to see how big jerus turns out. Sometime. 
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44:07 <Mort-> I want to make everyone run away from me screaming
44:29 <Mort-> And actually there is a way of doing so...
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47:38 <Mort-> Hi
48:02 <Mekkis> hi
48:04 <Mort-> Oh yes i figured how to get everyone running away screaming
48:19 <Hydracell> Good?
48:32 <Mekkis> get a pet shadow mastiff!
48:42 <Mekkis> remember to feed it though
48:58 <Mort-> No.
49:11 <Mort-> it has to do with enforcer. Saps
49:23 <Mort-> :p
49:24 <Mekkis> I prefer the shadow mastiff!
49:30 <Mort-> And be a thug
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49:59 <Mekkis> how unsophisticated
50:19 <Hydracell> Use fists.
50:46 <Brunius> Man
50:57 <Brunius> You guys are gonna have fun in Sniper In The Deep
51:04 <Mekkis> cool
51:11 <Avatar> when are you running that
51:15 <Brunius> April 1
51:25 <Brunius> You're bringing Buck?
51:45 <Avatar> yeah, likely
52:10 <Brunius> Good
52:11 <Brunius> Goooood
52:19 <Spaceshot> brunius, have any idea when you'd probably start your campaign, and what day/time?
52:30 <Brunius> Not any time soon Spaceshot
52:40 <AndChat-> Saps are better
52:45 <Brunius> Probably appropriate one of the PFS slots
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54:11 <mort-> Yup just enforcer and a sap
54:15 <mort-> Makes everyone run
54:19 <Ballig> okay
54:24 <mort-> Lol
54:31 <mort-> Or however i choose
54:33 <Mekkis> mort-, would be funny
54:40 <Spaceshot> well when you have a starting date in mind
54:42 <Mekkis> you make them run, Perfection makes them come!
54:43 <Spaceshot> just shout it out
54:45 <Spaceshot> :P
54:56 <mort-> I will probably call them to me as well
55:04 <mort-> But should i really go thug
55:09 <mort-> Or just x class a bit
55:19 <mort-> I get sneak i guess
55:25 <mort-> I can
55:39 <Hydracell> I can't imagine you not casting.
56:44 <mort-> For efficiency all i need
56:50 <mort-> Is 1 level of thug
57:19 <Ballig> sounds scattershot
04:54 <mort-> Yeah
05:00 <mort-> But hey!
05:03 <mort-> Its funny
05:19 <mort-> As long as i hit i think someone will run!
07:04 <Hydracell> Intimidated or fort saves?
07:49 <Ballig> on which character, mort-?
07:55 <Ballig> Hydracell: it's a free-action intimidate
07:59 <mort-> Intimidate
08:02 <mort-> Not anyone
08:02 <Ballig> which doesn't actually make people run, just makes them shakened
08:12 <mort-> Not if you are thug
08:25 <mort-> Change shaken into frightened
08:26 <Ballig> and which character are you talking about crossclassing into this?
08:38 <mort-> Not anyone in pfs
08:49 <mort-> I just looked into it
09:06 <mort-> If we are all going to be swashbucklers
09:26 <mort-> Must as well act uh rougishly
10:01 <Brunius> arrr
10:28 <mort-> Its the you go to Rome
10:29 <mort-> Do as Romans do
10:56 <Brunius> New campaign rule: All players must wear an eyepatch at all times.
11:19 <Spaceshot> can I use a pegleg instead?
11:54 <mort-> Not if it gives concealment
12:00 <mort-> Chance to enemies
12:41 <Brunius> Oh: There's a cutlass in the Pirates o/t Inner Sea book, if anyone's interested.
12:45 <Brunius> It's basically a rapier.
13:08 <Spaceshot> what level are you thinking?
13:17 <mort-> Might not be a bad idea
13:26 <mort-> Cross class magus with a thug
13:34 <Brunius> still at the planning stages
13:35 <mort-> Scare the fk out of everyone
13:44 <Brunius> What sort of driving focus do people want?
14:32 <Spaceshot> all depends on the campaign/setting/character for me
14:39 <mort-> Take wand wielder
15:32 <Brunius> It'll likely be golarion
15:52 <Spaceshot> I'm still wanting to make an incarnum class, but I really doubt that's gonna happen
16:07 <Spaceshot> 3.5 class, with way too much overhead to worry about
16:23 <Spaceshot> and too much custimisation during the gameplay, not just per level choice
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17:06 <Mekkis> Brunius, epic fantasy
17:17 <Brunius> Lets rule 3.5 classes out at this point
17:22 <Spaceshot> haha
17:29 <Spaceshot> I knew incarnum wasn't going to be allowd
17:32 <Spaceshot> allowed*
17:35 <Spaceshot> oh well, worth a try
17:39 <Mekkis> by epic I don't mean 20th level
17:47 <Brunius> the point buy method?
17:49 <Spaceshot> and mekkis always wants to use the best toys at his disposal
18:19 <Mekkis> or rolls
18:22 <Brunius> If it's bloody OP, I'll lean on rule zero a lot.
18:22 <Mekkis> I'm not fussy
18:51 <Spaceshot> no synthesists :P
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22:21 <Spaceshot> Brunius: expect to have me come to you with really weird character ideas
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22:22 <Spaceshot> :P
22:51 <Brunius> I'm gonna throw some wierd rules out there for it
22:55 <Mekkis> Brunius, I suggest requiring backstories
23:04 <Brunius> I will be
26:15 <Spaceshot> using straight pathfinder I've got a hilarious character already
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26:50 <Brunius> Share with the class?
31:51 <mort-> Can you sneak attack someone who turns his back on you?
32:11 <Hydrazine> theres no 'facing' particularly covered in the rules, mort.
32:25 <Brunius> They have to be denied a dex bonus for you to get sneak
32:58 <Hydrazine> for example, if theres 3 people in a straight line, 30 ft between each of them, Oskar in the middle can shoot both as part of a full round attack.
33:19 <Hydrazine> him 'turning around' is simply not part of any of the rules.
33:19 <mort-> Ah so frightened doesn't give sneak?
33:32 <mort-> Everyone please pack combat reflexes
33:44 <mort-> I want to see how many people i can send running :p
33:53 <mort-> Hilariously of course
35:17 <mort-> But it could be interesting if you can sneak attack someone who is paniced and runs away from you
37:23 <Hydrazine> Don't believe so.
37:31 <mort-> Doesn't matter
37:39 <mort-> Just pack combat reflexes
37:53 <mort-> If i hit i think one person will run
38:34 <Hydrazine> gonna make Khaz a terrorist?
39:24 <mort-> Yes
39:32 <mort-> And literally
39:41 <mort-> Thug + magus ^^
39:44 <mort-> Lol
40:17 <mort-> How many people can you get running in one round
40:20 <mort-> I won't inflict that much damage
40:33 <mort-> Probably make everyone in party fall over laughing
42:46 <Ballig> mort-: it will require minimum three rounds to make a single target frightened for one round
42:53 <Ballig> maybe two rounds
43:54 <Mekkis> full attack with saps
44:05 <Mekkis> gives you one intimidate per hit?
44:18 <Ballig> with a feat I think it would
44:18 <mort-> Untrue
44:57 <mort-> Check out thug
45:04 <mort-> With enforcer
45:09 <Ballig> I'm aware of that mort
45:15 <Ballig> I have seen you going on about it for like a week now
45:48 <mort-> If you make a target shaken for 4 rounds
45:54 <Ballig> if you're talking about the extra rounds on shaken with enforcer, I don't think that's intended
46:00 <mort-> You can change it
46:07 <mort-> To 1 round of frightened
46:18 <mort-> For thug arch type
47:05 <mort-> Whenever a thug successfully uses Intimidate to demoralize a creature, the duration of the shaken condition is increased by 1 round. In addition, if the target is shaken for 4 or more rounds, the thug can instead decide to make the target frightened for 1 round.
47:14 <Ballig> you don't have to paste it mort, I said I already saw it
47:23 <Ballig> I also said I dont' think that's intended
48:01 <mort-> Lol
48:07 <mort-> But that's how it reads
48:09 <mort-> :d
48:24 <mort-> You intimidate them then send them packing
48:28 <Ballig> a GM could interpret the rounds of shaken as being from two separate sources
48:32 <Ballig> one from enforcer and one from demoralize
48:40 <Ballig> and only count the demoralize rounds as adding up for thug
49:45 <mort-> Dazzling Display (Combat)
49:52 <mort-> there is also this bit of fun :p
50:06 <mort-> Combat performance ftw!
50:19 <Hydrazine> too bad it isn't pfs legal.
50:28 <mort-> Aw shit
50:38 <mort-> But we aren't doing pfs? :p
50:51 <Ballig> you can't combine enforcer with dazzling display
51:14 <mort-> I could do it all round and nothing else in combat
51:17 <mort-> I don't mind
51:23 <mort-> My action to lock the rest down
51:33 <mort-> Hm
51:37 <Ballig> after four rounds
51:41 <mort-> Let me think a bit
53:47 <mort-> Shaken will be a certainty
54:46 <Mekkis> Skyrim's finest antigravity horses!
55:23 <mort-> Lol
55:44 <mort-> I'm still trying to figure out how many people i can send packing
55:48 <mort-> At one go :p
56:53 <mort-> Enforcer will give me shaken yes...
58:33 <mort-> My intimidate will come from enforcer
58:41 <mort-> or do i actually get 2 intimidate checks
12:46 <Mekkis> my horse keeps losing traction
12:51 <Mekkis> on these 90 degree slopes
13:18 <Hydrazine> i kept killing mine on cliffs.
16:48 <Mekkis> now
16:51 <Mekkis> how do I get down
17:42 <Mekkis> when ascending, it's like driving a manual car without a break
17:55 <mort-> Lol
17:56 <Mekkis> when descending, it's like driving an automatic without a break
18:08 <mort-> Feather fall
18:10 <mort-> Lol
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18:25 <mort-> I really wonder with thug
18:43 <mort-> Do you get to make 2 intimidate checks per round?
18:59 <mort-> That's ok id ace all of them anyway
19:13 <Mekkis> really?
19:20 <Mekkis> what's your mod?
19:34 <mort-> I don't know
19:48 <mort-> I won't know till i create
19:55 <mort-> At level 1 how high can you get
20:16 <mort-> Probably ill get a +6 i think
20:34 <mort-> 3 for stat 3 for class skill
20:57 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, I'm guessing you're supposed to go to High Hrothgar BEFORE going to the Throat of the World...?
21:08 <Mekkis> because I've done it the other way around.
21:20 <Mekkis> and now need to descend without taking falling damage
21:31 <Hydrazine> Not quite sure I believe you even can.
21:55 <mort-> Just eatthe falling damage
22:03 <mort-> Or check the guide
22:05 <Mekkis> want a screenshot?
22:09 <Hydrazine> Sure.
22:15 <mort-> Isn't there feather fall
22:16 <mort-> Lol
22:19 <mort-> Fly?
25:38 <Hydrazine> no, mort
27:13 <mort-> Argh
27:18 <mort-> So how do you get down
27:27 <mort-> Pull yourself against the wall?
27:27 <Mekkis> carefully
27:27 <Hydrazine> Well.
27:33 <Hydrazine> You're supposed to go the right way.
27:36 <mort-> In might and magic 6
27:38 <Hydrazine> Which involves a path.
27:44 <Mekkis> there;s a path?
27:46 <mort-> I did the slope slide
27:51 <Hydrazine> And not mountain goat you're way up.
28:00 <mort-> Clearly someone got too creative
28:16 <mort-> Ok mek
28:22 <Hydrazine> Part of the story involves the path between High Hrothgar and there.
28:24 <mort-> Just as a study
28:42 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, the .jps files in http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc
28:47 <mort-> How did you get +21 mod on diplomacy
29:02 <mort-> I think if you don't do too heroic measures
29:10 <mort-> You get +6 on level 1
29:17 <mort-> For your skill mod
29:22 <Hydrazine> hm. curious.
29:22 <Mekkis> +1 trait +3 class +5 charisma +2 equipment +2 ranks +8 skilled evolution
29:23 <mort-> +7
29:33 <Hydrazine> Show me you AT throat of the world though, not map.
29:41 <mort-> What equipment
29:46 <Hydrazine> I'll believe you're close and somewhere unreasonable, but I don't believe you're actually there.
29:48 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, it's uploading
29:48 <mort-> Evolution is out
29:52 <Hydrazine> Mkay.
30:03 <Mekkis> should all me there now
30:12 <Hydrazine> Mort, you understand how equipment works.
30:15 <mort-> How do you get +2 at level 1
30:17 <Hydrazine> Didn't you get a something for UMD?
30:25 <mort-> Ranks
30:27 <Mekkis> TESV #0000.jps
30:38 <mort-> He had +2 ranks
30:58 <mort-> I really don't know how enforcer and thug will work
31:04 <Mekkis> Hydracell, and yes, I do have a stereoscopic monitor
31:06 <Hydrazine> ...Neat.
31:13 <mort-> Shaken is a certainty
31:14 <Mekkis> so
31:18 <Mekkis> now I need to descend
31:25 <Hydrazine> See anything neat up there?
31:31 <Hydrazine> ..I'd say fast travel down.
31:33 <mort-> But how many rounds before i send him packing
31:35 <mort-> Lol
31:39 <mort-> He doesn't want to
31:42 <Hydrazine> Likely the only way to do it without killing your horse and probably you.
31:55 <mort-> Lol
31:57 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, I can't fast travel down
31:59 <Mekkis> I haven't been there
32:11 <Hydrazine> You've been SOMEWHERE.
32:20 <Hydrazine> Fast travel TO somewhere else. Anywhere else.
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32:56 <Hydrazine> How're you playing it?
33:04 <Hydrazine> I went sword and board and smash shit. Worked pretty well.
34:23 <Mekkis> shock
34:27 <Mekkis> lots of shock
34:44 <Hydrazine> I didn't like magic offense in it much.
34:59 <Mekkis> welll
35:16 <Mekkis> I managed to abandon the stolen horse and safely descend
35:21 <Hydrazine> But probably partly because I was having alot of trouble with my mouse then, and I got my caster stuck with vampirism.
35:25 <Hydrazine> Which ended up being a bad idea.
35:31 <Mekkis> looks like I entered High Hrothgar from the wrong side
35:36 <Hydrazine> Yes.
35:46 <Hydrazine> Not very far in then I take it?
36:15 <Mekkis> probably not
36:17 <Mekkis> level 9
37:03 <Mekkis> I've only killed two dragons
37:16 <mort-> Lol
37:19 <Hydrazine> I guess my official Skyrim advice is that theres no harm in actually doing the storyline stuff.
37:38 <Mekkis> yeah
37:38 <Tashes> I'm level 8, i've only killed one. 
37:42 <Tashes> i just can't get into skyrim.
37:45 <Mekkis> but I couldn't find a way to get up
37:59 <Tashes> and i lost months of my life to the other elder scrolls games
38:04 <Hydrazine> I waited a while, lazing through story and dicking around with alot of side quests.
38:17 <Hydrazine> Do they know about your Fallout accomplishments?
38:23 <Mekkis> no
38:27 <Mekkis> I didn't play Fallout 3
38:36 <Hydrazine> Not you.
38:44 <Tashes> No. I didn't say anything
39:27 <Hydrazine> Mekkis, the road to High Hrothgar is at the west end of that city to the southeast.
39:55 <mort-> He got lost? P
40:04 <Mekkis> I got lost :S
40:20 <Hydrazine> He knew where he was going and said "screw the road, my horse has 4 wheel drive.."
40:26 <Mekkis> nope
40:32 <Mekkis> I didn't know there was a road
40:44 <Mekkis> I wasted one night trying to find it
40:47 <Hydrazine> they talk about it in the town.
40:53 <Mekkis> yeah
40:56 <Mekkis> but I got lost
40:58 <Mekkis> on that road
41:01 <Tashes> Dont' worry Mekkis, i got lost too.
41:14 <Hydrazine> Oh, look for a book called the Lusty Argonian.
41:19 <Tashes> Follow the red flag things, and the road, and keep going up.
42:34 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, as I said: the horse is more like a manual car without a brake
42:39 <Mekkis> when ascending
42:50 <Mekkis> so it's all about clutch control
43:02 <Tashes> ohh  yeah. Horses don't like cliffs. Or water.
43:11 <Hydrazine> Funny trick about water.
43:23 <Mekkis> Tashes, they're fine with cliffs
43:25 <Hydrazine> Get the horse in some deep water, hop off and right back on.
43:33 <Hydrazine> Aslong as you want to go up.
43:35 <Mekkis> yeah
43:46 <Mekkis> when going down, it's like an automatic car without a brake
43:53 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, do you drive an auto or a manual?
44:09 <mort-> Geezus
44:09 <Hydrazine> Currently an auto, but I learned on a manual.
44:12 <mort-> Btw i drive
44:22 <Mekkis> mort-, auto or manual?
44:22 <mort-> And a manual :d
44:42 <mort-> My dads old school :p
44:57 <mort-> And i use his car like a race car ^^
46:00 <Mekkis> best to do that when you're not paying for fuel or maintenance
46:55 <mort-> Lol
57:27 <Tashes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9TdDCWN7g&feature=youtu.be
57:41 <Tashes> i was gonna just send that to hydra, then i realised you'd appreciate it too. 
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