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00:28 <War_Wrecker> It doesn't say, it just says bonus if high int, unless I missed it
00:40 <Mort-> Int mod
00:42 <Mort-> Anyway
00:45 <Mort-> So you know
00:55 <Mort-> Your bab is a little low
01:08 <Mort-> And I'm not really a maneuver master
01:24 <War_Wrecker> It is fairly low
02:35 <Mekkis> +1
02:39 <Mekkis> one spell
02:43 <Mekkis> two if you have 20 int
03:53 <Mort-> I'm not sure if you can use true strike
03:57 <Mort-> Before you trip
05:03 <War_Wrecker> that would be awesome
05:44 <Mort-> paizo.com/forums/dmtz2dqz?True-Strike-Trip#0
05:47 <Mort-> Yes you can
06:02 <Mort-> Take wand wielder arcana
06:06 <Mort-> At level 3
06:14 <Mort-> Happy spell combating with trip on
06:37 <Mort-> Only problem is you don't threaten with a whip
06:59 <Mort-> Why wand wielder? So you have 50 charges to play with
07:15 <Mort-> Else you  probably want close range arcana
07:38 <War_Wrecker> Should I take something besides extra arcana pool at level 1?
07:48 <Mekkis> improved trip?
07:57 <Mort-> Uh
08:09 <Mort-> He will trip from 15 ft away i should think
08:10 <Mort-> Lol
08:23 <Mekkis> Heirloom Weapon (Scorpion Whip)
08:28 <Mekkis> oh, you can't do that anymore :(
08:28 <Mort-> Personally would do feats
08:31 <Mort-> He doesn't need
08:43 <Mort-> Spire defender will give it to him
08:48 <Mort-> For free
09:01 <Mekkis> Heirloom weapon gives +2 to combat manoeuvres
09:18 <Mort-> He also doesnt need to do all that combat casting shit :p
09:31 <Mort-> He won't be any where close to fighting ^^
09:45 <Mort-> What a...
09:50 <Mort-> I feel cheated :p
09:57 <Mort-> Lol
10:06 <Mort-> Never mind. Private joke
10:20 <Mort-> But yes improved trip
10:30 <Mort-> If you want a fruitful career in tripping
10:48 <Mort-> Mind you. Things with 4 legs are hard to trip
11:01 <Mort-> Again with true strike anything can be tripped
12:21 <Mekkis> not anything
12:40 <Mort-> Well anything that has legs and isn't flying
12:52 <Mort-> The trip immunities don't count
13:43 <Mort-> Now ill get like crash course in tripping lol
13:55 <War_Wrecker> I love my traits so very much
14:07 <Mort-> I could give evil suggestions
14:26 <Mort-> On your traits and feats :p
14:42 <Mort-> But actually if you trip. That will already keep you busy
14:44 <War_Wrecker> Get surprised, as free action, draw whip. Get initiative bonus. +1 to damage.
15:01 <Mort-> Don't have to add more crap to it
15:15 <Mort-> When you trip i don't think you do any damage though
15:29 <Mort-> And you don't threaten with a whip
16:00 <Mort-> So ideally you want your ally to stand beside him so when he stands up he takes aoo
16:05 <War_Wrecker> spellstrike would still trigger from the trip
16:29 <Mort-> I'm not sure how that would work out
16:46 <Mort-> You must choose. If you deliver the trip
16:58 <Mort-> I don't think you can discharge by spell strike
17:08 <War_Wrecker> There's an errata which says that spellstrike empowers you
17:29 <Mort-> It lets you use your melee attack to deliver touch spells
17:34 <War_Wrecker> And that anything you touch or touch via a weapon (not counting a weapon you pick up) gets hit by the touch spell
17:36 <War_Wrecker> It lets you use CONTACT
17:39 <Mort-> Which is why you can get 2 attacks for free
18:22 <Mort-> Maybe it should read that when you trip
18:23 <Mort-> You deliver the touch spell as well then
18:23 <Mort-> Well i dunno
18:34 <Mort-> About how you would want to play it at level 3
18:40 <War_Wrecker> read this
18:42 <War_Wrecker> www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus
18:50 <War_Wrecker> the FAQ/errata on spellstrike
21:53 <War_Wrecker> See also... is the grease from the grease spell flammable? Because I think it is
22:36 <Mort-> How would you set it on fire?
22:47 <War_Wrecker> Spark
22:49 <Mort-> Generally we haven't done it yet
23:47 <War_Wrecker> Well the descriptions say it covers things with grease. And grease is flammable.
23:48 <Mort-> Fine unattended object
23:50 <Mort-> Spark.
23:56 <Mort-> That's the limitation
24:07 <War_Wrecker> Unattended object?
24:08 <Mort-> Before you try to set things alight
24:14 <Mort-> Fine
24:20 <Mort-> Means really small
24:36 <Mort-> Its the size that is the issue.
24:38 <War_Wrecker> ah
24:49 <Mort-> Not the setting things alight
25:25 <Mort-> Well there was this trick about a magus ninja wannabe and his smoke stick ...
26:02 <War_Wrecker> I really hate the inconsistency of spell descriptions
26:18 <War_Wrecker> I suppose I could always just use burning hands
26:25 <Mort-> At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack.
26:33 <Mort-> This is part of the problem
26:34 <War_Wrecker> Or you can rule that it's magical grease that doesn't burn
26:54 <Mort-> No where it says it works on combat maneuvers
27:30 <Mort-> We haven't set grease on fire yet ^^
27:46 <Mort-> But we learn new things every day heh
27:50 <War_Wrecker> "A magus could even use the spellstrike ability, miss with his melee attack to deliver the spell, be disarmed by an opponent and still be holding the charge in his hand, just like a normal spellcaster."
28:03 <Mort-> Yeah you would
28:19 <Mort-> But why would you discharge it upon tripping?
28:29 <Mort-> Though actually id say you would...
28:35 <War_Wrecker> "if the magus touches anything other than a weapon with that hand (such as retrieving a potion), that discharges the spell as normal"
28:44 <War_Wrecker> It's implied that if you touch anything the spell discharges
29:06 <Avatar> the ground?
29:10 <War_Wrecker> I know right
29:27 <War_Wrecker> It's nondescript
29:28 <Avatar> don't know that it implies that
30:10 <Avatar> it would be more an item
30:23 <War_Wrecker> Well since they say you can touch your weapon without discharging your spell its implied that without spell strike you would discharge your spell on touching a weapon
31:06 <Mort-> On that i would rule it would deliver
31:21 <Mort-> But i don't gm here now anyway
31:48 <War_Wrecker> Well I'd be willing to argue that point again
31:50 <War_Wrecker> And again
31:54 <Mort-> Anyway I'm curious about your level 3 magus arcana
32:04 <War_Wrecker> Yeah i had a look at the arcana
32:19 <Mort-> Yeah i still remember the last time i 5 ft stepped in spell combat :p
32:37 <Mort-> Ballig was like. Can she do that? ::
32:55 <Mort-> Lol. And yes war - i play a magus ^^
33:01 <Mort-> Lol
33:19 <Mort-> Only magus in channel as far as i know of
33:51 <War_Wrecker> I know you do
34:00 <Mort-> ^^
34:15 * Mort- snickers
34:26 <War_Wrecker> anyhow just grabbing my spells
34:54 <War_Wrecker> Oh.... infernal healing
35:01 <War_Wrecker> That's going to be fun
35:06 <Mort-> You might want to mind that :d
35:16 <Mort-> One nice adventure i was telling you about
35:25 <Mort-> We went without healers
35:56 <Mort-> Me - ok lets pack scrolls of infernal healing
36:09 <Mort-> Btw that spell is evil discriptor
36:18 <Mort-> If your good you might not want to use it
36:58 <Mort-> Just to find out that that place was stuffed with people on people using silver weapons
37:04 <Mort-> Oops :d
37:25 <Mort-> After that scenario on level up i immediately picked up umd :p
37:53 <Mort-> Ah. Good times
41:32 <War_Wrecker> hmmm
41:35 <War_Wrecker> trying to decide what spells to take
00:07 <Mort-> Colour spray
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01:41 <Mort-> Later when you have money you can buy spells to scribe into scrolls
02:50 <Mort-> Hi hydrazine
05:03 <War_Wrecker> I took color spray, frost bite, magic missile, shocking grasp and true strike
05:20 <War_Wrecker> and as a place holder until i go through them later, reinforce arms
05:48 <Mort-> You can get that many spells?
05:56 <Mort-> Check how many spells you can load
06:00 <War_Wrecker> known, not prepared
06:07 <War_Wrecker> prepared is just true strike and color spray
06:09 <Mort-> What will you prepare
06:12 <Mort-> Ok
06:18 <Mort-> What is your ac
06:33 <War_Wrecker> without armor...
06:39 <Mort-> You'll be out of melee range so it shouldn't be that bad
06:51 <Mort-> But still. Accidents can happen ^^
06:56 <War_Wrecker> 13
07:03 <Mort-> You can't wear armor and cast
07:09 <Mort-> Stay out of range of fighting
07:10 <War_Wrecker> unless theres something else pumping it I haven't counted
07:18 <Mort-> Not really
07:23 <Mort-> I can't help you on it
07:38 <Mort-> I built my magus to be more of a brute ^^
07:50 <Mort-> Intend to be right in the thick of melee :p
08:02 <Mort-> On a chain shirt ^^
08:09 <Mort-> What can i say? :d
08:14 <Mort-> I'm nuts :p
08:48 <Mort-> There is a spell
08:51 <Mort-> Called shield
08:59 <Mort-> Increases your ac by 4
09:07 <War_Wrecker> Yeah
09:09 <War_Wrecker> I played DDO
09:13 <War_Wrecker> Took shield and night shield
09:14 <Mort-> I suggest if you have spare cash just buy scrolls
09:20 <War_Wrecker> and cats grace
09:28 <Mort-> Cats grace is level 2
09:30 <War_Wrecker> I ended up having more AC than some of the tanks
09:33 <War_Wrecker> I know
09:41 <Mort-> I cbfked honestly
09:52 <War_Wrecker> spamming defensive spells all the time is meh
10:01 <Mort-> You have very limited spells
10:09 <Mort-> So i suggest you watch what you span
10:13 <Mort-> Spam
10:24 <Mort-> Defensive spells i rather scrolled
10:30 <War_Wrecker> Yeah
10:39 <War_Wrecker> a fun one I thought of was taking a water genasi
10:53 <War_Wrecker> Multiclass something with armor with a spell caster
11:30 <War_Wrecker> Use your racial to squeeze through 1 inch gaps, like the ones in your armor. And then casually remove yourself from your armor during your movement step
11:46 <Mort-> Arcane Pool (Su)
11:56 <Mort-> No exotic races here
12:08 <War_Wrecker> That's a 4th edition trick
12:09 <Mort-> Don't ever forget to enhance your weapon
12:21 <Mort-> Your not using the pool for anything else any way
12:25 <Mort-> You can't spell recall
12:57 <Mort-> You have 14 ac
13:17 <Mort-> You get 1 ac from your dodge bonus feat
13:39 <Mort-> You start with 150 g
13:41 <Mort-> Gp
13:46 <Mort-> i have an idea for you
14:51 <Mort-> Haramaki
14:55 <Mort-> Look into that
15:06 <Mort-> +1 ac 
15:13 <Mort-> Without any arcane spell failure
15:46 <Mort-> Or armor check penalty
16:49 <Mort-> Consider fighter dipping
16:59 <Mort-> To get all your armor proficiencgdp
17:08 <Mort-> When you want to do it its up to you
17:14 <War_Wrecker> I am most definitely considering it. For the level 7 armor thing.
17:23 <War_Wrecker> However that's not a problem for several levels
17:28 <War_Wrecker> And I should sleep soon
17:35 <Mort-> Level 7 you get medium armor only
17:37 <Mort-> For now
17:43 <Mort-> Get yourself a haramaki
17:50 <Mort-> No armor class penalty
17:55 <Mort-> Or arcane spell failure
18:06 <Mort-> Will bring your total ac to 15
19:17 <War_Wrecker> approximately how much does it cost?
21:41 <Mort-> 3gp
21:52 <Mort-> I'm good with budgets :d
22:20 <War_Wrecker> and the damage rolls for the scorpion whip?
22:56 <Mort-> Not good
24:09 <War_Wrecker> Eh
24:12 <Mort-> 1d4
24:21 <Mort-> You intended to trip people right?
24:50 <Mort-> Personally I'm using a 1d6 scimitar myself
24:52 <Mort-> Stats.
25:17 <Mort-> 18 14 13 16 7 7
25:21 <Mort-> Lol
25:29 <Mort-> Told you I'm more of a brute
26:11 <War_Wrecker> Probably going to trip and maybe use a rapier as a real weapon when necessary
27:00 <Mort-> Use a scimitar
27:08 <Mort-> if you really want to do damage
27:15 <Mort-> 2 hand swing it
27:34 <War_Wrecker> true
27:38 <Mort-> I can do like 1d6+7 when i really mean business
28:02 <Mort-> If i am using spell combat its 1d6+5
28:13 <Mort-> Always keep your weapon enchanted
28:18 <Mort-> Using your arcane pool
28:28 <Mort-> You can't do anything else with it anyway
28:38 <Mort-> Since you can't spell recall
28:49 <Mort-> Adds 1 to attack roll and damage
29:01 <Mort-> Makes your weapon magic concerning dr
29:46 <Mort-> Not sure if we want to carry 2 handed weapons
30:03 <Mort-> For times we don't want to use spell combat
30:09 <Mort-> Ill think about it
30:23 <Mort-> Usually i just 2 handed swing scimitar
32:12 <Mort-> Ill hit sack now
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32:30 <Mort-> Remember you can 5 ft step in between spell combat
32:47 <Mort-> But its more useful to a melee combatant like me
32:52 <Mort-> Rather then you
33:11 <Mort-> You might want to trip one guy
33:30 <Mort-> Then close in on another 2 guys to colour spray
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58:55 <Hydrazine> yo.
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43:32 <Hydrazine> So.
50:36 <Ballig> so
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51:16 <Ballig> (I responded but I'm actually just leaving, yoink!)
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34:11 <Mort-> Hi hydra
34:35 * Mort- wuffles
34:58 <Mort-> Wait. I'm supposed to be asleep :p
35:44 * Mort- goes back to bed and passes out :p
41:21 <Hydrazine> hi mort
41:47 <Mort-> Weather is cold.
41:55 <Mort-> Blankets are warm.
42:23 <Mort-> :)
42:45 * Mort- snuggles into her blankets
42:49 <Mort-> Sigh :p
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43:04 <Mort-> If war wrecker pops up on games
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53:25 <Hydrazine> It gets cold in Singapore?
59:04 <Mort-> I'm sensitive :d
59:27 <Mort-> 20 degrees = cold : s
06:20 <Mort-> Mmph
12:50 <Avatar> lol, that "apple" job they were talking about yesterday
12:57 <Avatar> http://www.applemarketing.com.au/default.asp
13:09 <Avatar> telemarketing
13:15 <Avatar> for charities
17:06 <Mort-> Lol
21:09 <Mort-> Unless otherwise noted, performing a combat maneuver provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of the maneuver. If you are hit by the target, you take the damage normally and apply that amount as a penalty to the attack roll to perform the maneuver
21:11 <Mort-> Hm
21:26 <Mort-> Yeah i might want to think twice about that
21:41 <Avatar> anyone who's using combat maneuvers is using improved trip/grapple/whatever
21:45 <Avatar> to avoid that
23:15 <Mort-> I'm not using that
23:22 <Mort-> I'm just going to cheat trip
23:38 <Hydrazine> Mostly.
23:43 <Mort-> I don't want to get hit though
23:47 <Hydrazine> Jerus can generally get away with it.
23:53 <Mort-> Aka where is my wand!
24:01 <Mort-> True strike trip
25:15 <Mort-> Well that was something i learnt yesterday
25:18 <Mort-> Cool lol
25:30 <Mort-> But no. I'm not eating his aoo
27:57 <Mort-> Does jerus have improved trip or sunder?
28:16 <Hydrazine> Wouldn't you like to know.
28:23 <Hydrazine> Trip.
28:58 <Hydrazine> But screw that. All he really needs is Snickers.
29:22 <Mort-> Lol
29:37 <Mort-> We are running spca here
29:45 <Mort-> Go to sleep. Never wake up ^^
29:47 <Hydrazine> I'll take the Improved Snickers feat next level.
30:08 <Mort-> Society of prevention of cruelty to monsters
30:10 <Mort-> ^^
31:01 <Mort-> Tell oskar to load his bow with sleeping arrows :p
31:16 <Mort-> You do know they exsist right :p
33:06 <Hydrazine> yes.
34:34 <Mort-> Sadly its fortitude save
36:22 <Mort-> Btw avatar down here. Do not try to make elves
36:34 <Mort-> Or half elves sleep
36:38 <Mort-> It doesn't work
48:13 <Avatar> did I try to do that
48:25 <Avatar> Snickers is a half-elf mort
48:28 <Avatar> I know how sleep works
49:31 <Mort-> Well you tried to colour spray a skeleton dinosaur :p
49:39 <Mort-> Argh
49:46 <Mort-> But trip is so not me
50:11 <Mort-> Besides monsters can attack while prone still
50:21 <Mort-> No law saying they can't
50:25 <Mort-> Gr
50:38 <Mort-> Lets see if there are any ways around it
51:07 <Mort-> Unlikely ill learn improved trip 
53:49 <Avatar> we didn't know exactly what it was
54:14 <Avatar> remember we tried making knowledge checks abotu it
54:32 <Avatar> I know you can't colour spray undead as well
54:41 <Mort-> Wtf
54:58 <Mort-> You actually have tripping arrows?
55:03 <Mort-> Omg :d
55:21 <Avatar> who
55:22 <Mort-> Can't believe you have all kinds of crap in the market
55:29 <Mort-> No
55:42 <Mort-> I mean I'm being my pack rat self again
56:12 <Avatar> I think you are lagging mort
57:15 <Mort-> Yeah i am
57:18 <Mort-> I'm on train
57:24 <Mort-> Looking at weapons
58:05 <Avatar> oh, you mean "there are actually tripping arrows?"
59:07 <MekkisScreen> yeah
59:08 <MekkisScreen> it's BS
59:47 <Mort-> I can't believe it but they exsist!
01:02 <Mort-> Mmph. I'm feeling magus today
01:14 <Mort-> So yeah
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12:41 <Mort-> Hi hydra
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18:37 <mortswishytail> Oh my
19:49 <Hydrazine_> oro?
20:58 <mortswishytail> What is the significance of being tripped
21:10 <Avatar> you take penalties for meleeing
21:15 <Avatar> and an AoO if you try to get up
21:31 <Avatar> and you can't use a bow on the ground
21:39 <Hydrazine_> i think the biggest is the loss of movement and ac penalty.
21:44 <mortswishytail> To a caster - nothing?
21:55 <Avatar> <?prone
21:55 <diebot> The character is lying on the ground. A prone attacker has a 4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow). A prone defender gains a +4 bonus to Armor Class against ranged attacks, but takes a 4 penalty to AC against melee attacks. // Standing up is a move-equivalent action that
21:55 <diebot> provokes an attack of opportunity.
22:02 <Hydrazine_> how good is caster AC usually?
22:19 <Avatar> -4 AC vs melee attacks
23:13 <mortswishytail> Also move equivalent action. If a monster has 3 attacks. You trip him. He stands up and hits you after your aoo missed him
23:14 <mortswishytail> Only one attack?
23:14 <mortswishytail> He can't full round?
23:14 <mortswishytail> The monster can hit while prone actually though
23:14 <mortswishytail> And what is the significance of disarmig with a whip
23:14 <mortswishytail> Since you have a 15 ft range
24:33 <mortswishytail> You just found one with decent ac :p
24:34 <mortswishytail> That on landing prone decided to appear 1000 ft away
24:34 <mortswishytail> Not very happily
24:34 <mortswishytail> But would it stop a full round attack?
24:41 <Avatar> yeah only one attack
24:44 <mortswishytail> Ah
24:54 <Avatar> 3 attacks is a full round action
25:10 <mortswishytail> And no 5 ft either right?
25:11 <mortswishytail> Because he was busy getting himself up to his feet
25:23 <Avatar> 5ft is a free action
25:31 <Hydrazine_> not while prone.
25:35 <mortswishytail> Is it?
25:37 <Avatar> yeah you have to get up first
25:51 <Hydrazine_> its a special free action.
26:11 <Hydrazine_> you can only do it when you haven't otherwise moved, and while you have a movement speed greater than 5ft.
26:29 <Hydrazine_> Prone movement speed IS 5ft. This a 5ft move IS a move action.
26:50 <Hydrazine_> and not a special free 5ft step that doesn't draw AoOs.
27:19 <Avatar> actually you can't get up and then 5ft can you
27:32 <mortswishytail> He must stand up
27:35 <mortswishytail> Assume he does it fine
27:36 <mortswishytail> You missed etc.
27:36 <mortswishytail> Or maybe you were never threatening in the first place
27:36 <mortswishytail> What happens if he stands up first
27:36 <mortswishytail> Then tries to 5 ft
27:36 <mortswishytail> I thought not
27:36 <mortswishytail> Personally
27:39 <mortswishytail> But how does it work
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28:20 <mortswishytail> Wait till he gets back
28:21 <mortswishytail> He is the expert on combat maneuvers
28:21 <mortswishytail> I am but a novice
28:23 <mortswishytail> Ok
28:27 <Hydrazine_> hm?
28:32 <mortswishytail> Can you stand up and 5 ft
28:38 <mortswishytail> All in one round?
28:44 <Avatar> I'm pretty certain you can't
29:04 <Hydrazine_> I believe its legal.
29:05 <mortswishytail> And he is also limited to one attack while prone right?
29:12 <mortswishytail> You think he can
29:18 <mortswishytail> Ok lets say he can then
29:27 <Hydrazine_> Mort.
29:31 <mortswishytail> He can't full attack on you
29:36 <mortswishytail> ?
29:43 <mortswishytail> I'm thinking hydra
29:46 <Hydrazine_> I'm here. You don't need to talk about me like I'm not.
29:58 <mortswishytail> Lol
29:59 <mortswishytail> K
31:04 <mortswishytail> Also. How would disarming with a whip look like
31:04 <mortswishytail> Can you toss his weapon somewhere else?
31:05 <mortswishytail> I'm just thinking
31:05 <mortswishytail> I can. Ensure one combat maneuver works in combat
31:09 <mortswishytail> No grappling though
31:31 <Hydrazine_> Um.
31:47 <mortswishytail> In exchange for sacrificing all my damage
31:47 <Hydrazine_> I believe the higher levels of disarm let you take it if you've got a hand.
31:57 <mortswishytail> I am cheating
32:11 <mortswishytail> I have no skill in combat maneuvers
32:23 <mortswishytail> I am using my wand..,
32:39 <Hydrazine_> greater disarm puts it 15 ft away.
32:41 <Hydrazine_> random direction
33:50 <mortswishytail> No. No feats involved
37:23 <mortswishytail> Hm
37:38 <Hydrazine_> if you disarm while unarmed, at -4, you can just take it.
37:56 <Hydrazine_> if you beat the cmd by 10, he drops both hands.
38:28 <mortswishytail> I'm 15 ft away
38:39 <mortswishytail> No way I'm going to be able to take it
39:39 <mortswishytail> Well i have one free hand. As always
42:46 <mortswishytail> Lets just say most of the time i would never want to fight this way
43:02 <mortswishytail> Except against something i can't close on for whatever safety reason
43:22 <Avatar> is getting up from prone considered movement or a move action?
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43:53 <mortswishytail> Move equivalent
43:54 <mortswishytail> Action
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44:43 <Avatar> You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform 
44:44 <Avatar> any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never 
44:44 <Avatar> provokes an attack of opportunity. You can't take more than 
44:44 <Avatar> one 5-foot step in a round, and you can't take a 5-foot step in 
44:44 <Avatar> the same round that you move any distance.
45:03 <mortswishytail> K it means he is stuck
45:31 <mortswishytail> It means the worst case. I can sacrifice one round of combat damage to drop a melee type prone
46:00 <Avatar> they can use a CM to trip you again as their AoO
46:02 <mortswishytail> That's when I'm really really desperate
46:06 <Avatar> I think
46:13 <mortswishytail> How?
46:22 <mortswishytail> I'm 15 ft away
46:23 <Avatar> it's a standard action isn't it
46:32 <Avatar> what
46:37 <Avatar> they tripped you
46:37 <mortswishytail> I won't do it at 5 ft
46:47 <mortswishytail> I will trip them
46:51 <Avatar> oh
46:56 <mortswishytail> From far back
47:07 <mortswishytail> Should there be something i fear approaching
47:23 <Avatar> dragons
47:27 <Avatar> tarrasques
47:28 <mortswishytail> But its a I'm really desperate 
47:29 <mortswishytail> Thing
47:46 <mortswishytail> Most of the time you'll never see me do it
47:58 <mortswishytail> Druther melee
48:41 <mortswishytail> Ok at least i got that sorted out
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51:06 <mortswishytail> Ah
51:25 <mortswishytail> Oh well consider it my price for being helpful last night :p
51:34 <mortswishytail> I picked up a new trick :d
51:34 <Hydrazine> avatar, you can't trip as the AoO for them getting up.
51:41 <mortswishytail> I know
51:51 <mortswishytail> I won't be any where close
51:55 <mortswishytail> I promise
52:03 <mortswishytail> When i actually try this trick
52:47 <mortswishytail> Its wrist sheathe wand of true strike and hope my whip is out in hand to trip him
53:03 <mortswishytail> On spell combat
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53:38 <mortswishytail> True strike - then trip or disarm
54:57 <mortswishytail> For that i need wand wielder though
56:24 <MekkisScreen> the AoO is resolved before the action
56:42 <MekkisScreen> so if they're on the ground, and try to get up, you get the +4 to hit with AoO for probe
56:50 <MekkisScreen> but don't get the ability to retrip
58:15 <Avatar> that's right
58:41 <mortswishytail> Unless you have some feats?
58:51 <Avatar> I remember there was always something particularly important about that kind of trip/AoO thing
58:54 <mortswishytail> That is not in my field of study though
58:55 <Hydrazine> um.
58:57 <Hydrazine> No, mort.
58:59 <Hydrazine> Doesn't matter.
59:22 <Hydrazine> Heres timing. You trip them. they TRY to stand; still on the ground. AOO happens, they stand up.
59:32 <Hydrazine> You can't trip someone whose already prone.
59:38 <mortswishytail> Its just so you know i can trip when times are dark
59:51 <mortswishytail> But it means i don't do any damage
59:52 <mortswishytail> So.
00:02 <Hydrazine> Theres no feats to get around this. It just doesn't make sense.
00:30 <mortswishytail> Yeah. But taking an aoo while getting tripped sucks! :d
00:34 <mortswishytail> Its not fair :(
00:45 <Hydrazine> Thats just being badass.
00:59 <mortswishytail> It really isn't :p
01:01 <Hydrazine> Shoulda failed the fort save!
01:08 <mortswishytail> Yeah and id be dead
01:14 <Hydrazine> Exactly!
01:15 <mortswishytail> Told you I'm half fighter :p
01:26 <Hydrazine> And then maybe a pure melee could win SOMETHING.
01:28 <Hydrazine> but no
01:34 <mortswishytail> And I'm a champ at casting defensively
01:38 <Hydrazine> Not against persistent metamagic.
01:46 <mortswishytail> So i ran like hell
04:26 <Hydrazine> the fight between jerus and Hoku would be just as one-sided.
04:54 <mortswishytail> Sad thing is i can't do much magical to hoku
04:59 <mortswishytail> I could try all day long
05:03 <mortswishytail> But it wouldn't work
05:24 <Hydrazine> could've total defense'd that ray off too.
05:25 <Avatar> http://www.geekosystem.com/darth-vader-bank-robbery/
08:27 <mortswishytail> Seriously?
09:11 <Avatar> I'm wondering why he bothered with the cloak
09:41 <mortswishytail> Anyone watched the incredibles?
09:51 <mortswishytail> Cloaks get in the way
09:55 <Hydrazine> Well. I couldn't dress as Vader without a cloak. I'd feel silly.
10:16 <mortswishytail> Anyway hydra did you see the conversation yesterday,g
10:36 <Avatar> it was a blue cloak
10:50 <Avatar> and camoflauge pants
10:51 <Hydrazine> Which?
10:52 <mortswishytail> He has horrible fashion sense
11:09 <mortswishytail> Involving possibly a new magus popping in channel
11:22 <mortswishytail> Funnily enough. A spire defender
11:31 <Hydrazine> Huh.
11:39 <Hydrazine> I saw that there was some new guy.
11:43 <Hydrazine> But thats about it.
11:56 <mortswishytail> He chose his stats as 14 16 10 16 10 13
12:39 <mortswishytail> 14 str 16 dex and int and 13 cha
12:48 <mortswishytail> 10 cons and wis
13:00 <mortswishytail> So i pointed to him to a scorpion whip
14:03 <Hydrazine> Hm.
14:08 <Hydrazine> Curious to see it in game.
14:58 <mortswishytail> He has low ac
15:22 <mortswishytail> They don't get armor profiencies
15:27 <mortswishytail> Unless he fighter dips
17:24 <mortswishytail> Spire defenders get free weapon profeciency
17:31 <mortswishytail> With one exotic weapon
17:47 <mortswishytail> His ac is 15 with haramaki
17:52 <Hydrazine> bastard sword magus?
18:35 <Hydrazine> I wonder what the ruling is on exotic proficiency required or not for 2handing a large bastard sword.
19:12 <mortswishytail> I don't think he should
19:17 <mortswishytail> 15 ac?
19:23 <mortswishytail> He can though
19:38 <mortswishytail> Why not just let him trip
20:34 <mortswishytail> Then I'm like. Why did i do it the brute style :p
21:04 <mortswishytail> And get to get the shit pounded out of me :p
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21:23 <Hydrazine> Maybe you like it.
21:26 <mortswishytail> Haha. Maybe because I'm a sucker for punishment
21:28 <mortswishytail> Yeah
21:36 <Hydrazine> Somebody's got to actually engage the enemy.
21:42 <mortswishytail> I will
21:46 <Hydrazine> Unless you want to try running kite team.
21:48 <mortswishytail> God forbid. I will.
21:53 <Hydrazine> all archers and mages.
22:08 <mortswishytail> Actually that croc fight maybe we should have kited :d
22:18 <MekkisScreen> in entangle?
22:21 <Hydrazine> Shoulda brought Hoke.
22:24 <Hydrazine> Hoku.
22:26 <mortswishytail> Steve irwin was epic though
22:27 <mortswishytail> Yeah
22:29 <Hydrazine> Hes good at crocs.
22:38 <mortswishytail> Awesome shit
22:39 <MekkisScreen> there was a bigger croc
22:40 <MekkisScreen> :S
22:45 <Hydrazine> hey Mek.
22:53 <MekkisScreen> mmm
23:02 <mortswishytail> That was with khaz and the baby croc
23:11 <Hydrazine> What would you say on this: 2handing a large bastard sword. requires exotic proficiency or no?
23:31 <mortswishytail> Did i tell you yesterday for the pirate campaign i wanted to get a green dress?
23:45 <Hydrazine> Not brown pants and red shirt?
24:07 <mortswishytail> Doesn't go with my eyes
24:12 <mortswishytail> My eyes are green ^^
25:04 <Hydrazine> I wish monks weren't so MAD.
26:17 <mortswishytail> I want to wear a green dress
26:25 <Hydrazine> who says you can't?
26:29 <mortswishytail> And dance in a tavern!
26:37 <mortswishytail> Bru said the dress would be brown
26:49 <mortswishytail> Since dyes are expensive :(
30:02 <MekkisScreen> hey
30:32 <mortswishytail> ?
30:45 <mortswishytail> And i still haven't decided on my every day suit
34:54 <mortswishytail> 2 handing a bastard sword doesn't i think
35:02 <mortswishytail> But 1 handing it does hydra
35:36 <Hydrazine> Why couldn't you two hand it?
37:15 <mortswishytail> You can 2 hand it
37:27 <mortswishytail> Its if you want to 1 hand it you need exotic
37:36 <Hydrazine> But I'm asking about a large bastard sword.
37:44 <mortswishytail> No I'm not picking up a bastard sword
37:52 <mortswishytail> They come in different sizes?
37:56 <mortswishytail> Oo!
40:05 <mortswishytail> A character can use a bastard sword two handed as a martial weapon
41:54 <Hydrazine> right.
42:13 <Hydrazine> using an oversized weapon ups the catagory.
42:23 <Hydrazine> light goes to 1h, 1h goes to two handed.
42:29 <mortswishytail> Uh where did the large come from
42:35 <mortswishytail> Id say no then
42:44 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: I'd call you cheesy, and allow it
42:58 <Hydrazine> With or without exotic?
43:01 <mortswishytail> What does using a large weapon do
43:09 <MekkisScreen> without
43:11 <mortswishytail> I say you take exotic then you can
43:14 <mortswishytail> For my ruling
43:16 <mortswishytail> Anyway
43:20 <MekkisScreen> mortswishytail: more damage and a -2
43:33 <mortswishytail> But since i don't gm the point is moot
43:38 <Hydrazine> how else do you get a 2d8 swing, mort?
43:40 <mortswishytail> I thought you got reach
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48:14 <Hydrazine> no, no reach.
48:25 <Hydrazine> actually.. not sure.
48:26 <Hydrazine> maybe.
48:34 <mortswishytail> Bring along a scythe next time
48:37 <mortswishytail> Btw.
48:40 <mortswishytail> :d
48:47 <Hydrazine> but someone with Jerus' stats would get a 2d8+10 swing.
48:51 <mortswishytail> I love mekkis term. 
48:54 <Hydrazine> Which is nothing to laugh at.
49:08 <mortswishytail> You never know when you need to mow the lawn :d
53:39 <Hydrazine> Planning to take a Naginata.
57:12 <MekkisScreen> that's what scythes are used for!
57:16 <MekkisScreen> mowing lawn
59:40 <MekkisScreen> mortswishytail: unlike Some people here, I have some belief in the rules as written and how they work
00:26 <MekkisScreen> and as far as I can tell, bastard swords in two hands don't need exotic proficiency
00:53 <MekkisScreen> plus, 2d8 is only +2 damage over a 2d6 great sword, and you're taking a -2 to-hit for it
00:57 <MekkisScreen> it's fair
01:33 <mortswishytail> He is using it to coup i think
01:56 <mortswishytail> I recommend a scythe next time
02:02 <MekkisScreen> or an axe
02:28 <mortswishytail> We had some epic damage on the final boss in shadows last stand
02:30 <mortswishytail> ^^
02:43 <mortswishytail> He fell asleep. And never woke up :p
02:50 <MekkisScreen> he was in too small a room to be charge-lanced
03:01 <MekkisScreen> so I threw longswords at him
03:05 <mortswishytail> In our case he took a nap
03:06 <mortswishytail> Lol
03:23 <mortswishytail> Not a very long one
03:24 <MekkisScreen> wasn;t he trying to kill your venture captain?
03:29 <MekkisScreen> Mr Brackett?
03:48 <mortswishytail> He was. But he took a nap in the middle of it all
04:01 <mortswishytail> He must have been really sleepy
04:06 <mortswishytail> Or he had some help ^^
04:10 <MekkisScreen> never forget it
04:18 <mortswishytail> Actually he had quite some help
04:30 <MekkisScreen> whenever you're in Almas, tell him to remember that you saved his life
04:38 <mortswishytail> Ok
04:47 <MekkisScreen> never let him live it down!
04:53 <mortswishytail> The final blow was epic
04:59 <mortswishytail> 63 damage lol
07:54 <mortswishytail> Did i tell you yesterday
08:11 <mortswishytail> Those guys threatened to get me to the police station
08:23 <mortswishytail> For walking off without paying :p
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14:51 <mortswishytail> Hi tristen
19:30 <MekkisScreen> there is at least one piece of equipment that Mort has forgotten
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24:28 <mortswishytail> Which lol
24:55 <mortswishytail> My underwear?
30:11 <tristen> heya mort
30:43 <tristen> i think i need to level oskar to 4 now
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31:53 <Hydrazine> Why?
32:09 <mortswishytail> Khaz is so widdle
32:13 <mortswishytail> :(
32:44 <mortswishytail> And trist
32:55 <mortswishytail> Bru is running a pirate campaign
32:58 <mortswishytail> You coming?
33:45 <tristen> lol what's all this?
33:51 <tristen> a PIRATE campaign?
34:00 <MekkisScreen> well
34:08 <MekkisScreen> a seagoing one
34:16 <tristen> freaking AWESOME!
34:28 <MekkisScreen> probably trading
34:31 <MekkisScreen> :)
34:33 <mortswishytail> Get your pirate hat!
34:34 <tristen> what's my favourite letter of the alphabet?
34:47 <mortswishytail> P
34:51 <MekkisScreen> §
35:33 <tristen> P?
35:54 <tristen> §?
35:55 <MekkisScreen> yours?
35:59 <mortswishytail> M!
36:01 <mortswishytail> No
36:08 <mortswishytail> I don't have a favourite letter
36:14 <MekkisScreen> probably c
36:16 <tristen> it's "R" as in "AAAAARRRRR me hearties"
36:25 <MekkisScreen> if I had to choose
36:29 <tristen> (ye olde pirate joke)
36:37 <mortswishytail> Other side please
36:47 <MekkisScreen> A is for awk, which can run like a snail
37:07 <MekkisScreen> B is for biff, which reads all your mail
37:18 <tristen> M is for more = less
37:20 <MekkisScreen> C is for cc, as hackers recall, while
37:40 <MekkisScreen> D is for dd, the command that does all.
37:40 <mortswishytail> M is for mort!
38:24 * MekkisScreen is dding to /dev/sdc at the moment
38:59 <mortswishytail> Trist can you enable pms?
39:05 <mortswishytail> And pop in the truck
39:09 <mortswishytail> Usual
39:29 <MekkisScreen> actually it's more like /dev/disk/by-id/whatever
40:12 <mortswishytail> Geek
41:12 <mortswishytail> Identify
41:30 <mortswishytail> IDENTIFY
42:02 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d2
42:03 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d2: [1d2=1] 1
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45:03 <MekkisScreen> what are you doing;!945
45:06 <MekkisScreen> mort
45:32 <mortswishytail> Me?
45:38 <mortswishytail> What do you mean
46:01 <MekkisScreen> forcing diebot to identify
46:06 <MekkisScreen> :(
46:27 <mortswishytail> Trying to talk to trist
46:52 <tristen> something strange was happening to my connection then...
46:53 <MekkisScreen> telling diebot to identify doesn't help that
47:12 <MekkisScreen> it's /msg nickop Identify password
47:50 <mortswishytail> I'm not registered
47:54 <mortswishytail> Never was
48:13 <MekkisScreen> mayve you should be
48:51 <mortswishytail> Tryimg to gave me a head ache
49:15 <MekkisScreen> do it on a pc
49:25 <mortswishytail> Yeah
02:16 * mortswishytail nibbles tristen
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21:39 <Mekkis> While it's rumoured that the factions exist, it's extremely bad form to open a conversation about them, and insinuate that the other person is a member of one of those factions.
21:39 <Mekkis> You're effectively calling them a spy, a traitor and a liar. And implying that you expect them to perform some selfish action during the coming mission, which will hurt your people. And that, not only are you okay with this, you'll help them?
22:29 <War_Wrecker> Sounds like paranoia
22:35 <War_Wrecker> Everyone is in a faction
22:44 <War_Wrecker> But nobody knows that anyone is in a faction
22:48 <Mekkis> in Pathfinder society, every player is in a faction
24:03 <War_Wrecker> I know
24:08 <War_Wrecker> Just like paranoia
24:16 <War_Wrecker> In player knowledge, you know everyone is in a faction
24:25 <mortswishytail> Don't let anyone know your faction
24:29 <War_Wrecker> In character knowledge, nobody is in a faction, as they are srs business
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24:37 <mortswishytail> I already know someone who would love to screw you up
24:45 <mortswishytail> But never mind
24:49 <War_Wrecker> Same deal as paranoia
25:07 <War_Wrecker> Everyone is a mutant and part of a society which is likely traitorous to the friend computer
25:11 <War_Wrecker> by DEFAULT
25:16 <mortswishytail> He would do it just for the feck of doing it
25:25 <War_Wrecker> accusing anyone of being a mutant or in a faction is treason
25:30 <mortswishytail> Yeah
25:32 <War_Wrecker> Being a mutant or in a faction is treason
25:43 <mortswishytail> Anyway
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25:52 <mortswishytail> Hydrazine
26:05 <Hydrazine> N2H4.
26:07 <mortswishytail> That's our tripgus wannabe
26:13 <mortswishytail> Ok
26:21 <Hydrazine> I know.
26:30 <mortswishytail> You may educate him about combat maneuvers low
26:32 <mortswishytail> Now
26:53 <mortswishytail> Or tell him to use a bastard sword ^^
28:03 <Hydrazine> So. I guess I'm like the local expert on combat maneuvers. If you got a question, fire away.
28:51 <mortswishytail> He grapples for a living!
29:11 <mortswishytail> From him ive learnt how to grapple gnomes!
29:24 <Hydrazine> Mostly I think its because I used to be read rulebooks and instructions professionally.
29:44 <mortswishytail> More often then not the gnome gets away though :(
29:50 <War_Wrecker> Well the character i've got so far is a spire defender with a whip
29:54 <Mekkis> explain overrun and bullrush
30:00 <War_Wrecker> So I'll be using all the trips
30:07 <mortswishytail> And a big gnome comes to impale me on a pike
31:33 <mortswishytail> So that day. I molested a gnome
31:56 <mortswishytail> He took offence. And facinated me :(
32:25 <mortswishytail> Until a big gnome came over and impaled me on a pike :(
32:26 <Hydrazine> I like tripping. I think its one of the more.. reliable ones.
32:35 <Hydrazine> Tends to work aslong as your enemy has legs and doesn't fly.
33:04 <mortswishytail> With wand wielder he can true strike every time he wants to trip
33:18 <Hydrazine> While disarms don't work on things that don't use weapons, sunders don't work on things that don't use armor.
33:25 <Hydrazine> I think you run into more enemies that have legs.
34:03 <mortswishytail> Suggestion. Spring loaded wrist sheathe
34:13 <mortswishytail> Pull your wand out with a swift action
34:22 <mortswishytail> Start tripping using spell combat
35:51 <mortswishytail> Problem with whips is you don't threaten
36:07 <mortswishytail> Any feats that let whips threaten?
38:15 <Hydrazine> But you do threaten.
40:19 <Hydrazine> Your arguement is invalid, Mort.
40:39 <mortswishytail> Tiny don't
41:04 <Hydrazine> tiny whips?
42:05 <mortswishytail> The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don't threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes a
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43:22 <Hydrazine> Ah.
44:15 <mortswishytail> I read that stuff
44:44 <mortswishytail> Also war
45:10 <mortswishytail> We might be having a pirate campaign soon
45:23 <Hydrazine> 3 feats and bab +5.
45:41 <mortswishytail> What is it?
45:45 <mortswishytail> He should know
45:47 <mortswishytail> I won't bother
46:17 <Hydrazine> WF (whip), Whip mastery (no provoking), imp. whip mastery (threatens 10ft)
46:40 <mortswishytail> Your a genius :m
46:45 <Hydrazine> So.. 4 feats total, just to get that far.
47:07 <Hydrazine> And level 7 for a Magus.
47:24 <Hydrazine> Unless you dip a higher bab class.
47:26 <War_Wrecker> Well until then I'll be satisfied applying touch spells with trips
47:30 <mortswishytail> He is the tripper
47:32 <War_Wrecker> I might dip paladin
47:45 <mortswishytail> Lg alignment
47:45 <mortswishytail> Mind you
47:46 <mortswishytail> Sucks
47:58 <War_Wrecker> I changed my alignment
47:59 <mortswishytail> Remind me to be careful around him :p
48:03 <mortswishytail> Haha
48:08 <Hydrazine> Pfft.
48:09 <War_Wrecker> Since I normally play something along the lines of lawful good anyhow
48:21 <War_Wrecker> it seems to suit a spire defender better
48:44 <Hydrazine> I tend to play melee, and Mort's getting this big head cause we've been doing some silly duels at high levels.
48:48 <Hydrazine> And her casters pwn my melee.
49:19 <Hydrazine> Even though Hoku's fully sick at wrecking other melee.
49:38 <War_Wrecker> PvP isn't balanced
49:43 <Hydrazine> Agree.
49:50 <mortswishytail> Not all magi
49:57 <Hydrazine> persistent metamagic is just brutal.
50:08 <mortswishytail> Are champions of good :p
50:18 <mortswishytail> Or at least some start with good intentions
50:31 <mortswishytail> But get corrupted mid way ^^
51:00 <War_Wrecker> Spire defender
51:26 <Hydrazine> sense motive is wisdom or cha?
51:40 <mortswishytail> Wis
51:56 <Hydrazine> Hmmmm.
52:01 <Hydrazine> I think I got me an idea.
52:11 <mortswishytail> Ah
52:17 <mortswishytail> I have some sense motive
52:23 <mortswishytail> For the pirate campaign
52:27 <mortswishytail> Might need it
53:33 <mortswishytail> We better get all knowlegdge skills covered
53:48 <War_Wrecker> I have charisma and...
54:04 <War_Wrecker> knowledge arcana
54:23 <Hydrazine> theres a feat to charge through difficult terrain and allies
54:29 <mortswishytail> You bringing your magus along for it?
54:42 <mortswishytail> I'm the party tank ^^
54:54 <mortswishytail> 13 str 12 dex :d
55:02 <mortswishytail> I volunteered :d
56:31 <Hydrazine> A few of the style feats are actually pretty intense.
56:42 <mortswishytail> Yeah
56:50 <mortswishytail> Your the master of melee stuff :p
57:03 <Hydrazine> Consider a melee that can roll sense motive and use that as AC.
57:20 <Hydrazine> and AoO someone just because they missed.
59:33 <mortswishytail> Which skill
59:42 <mortswishytail> I dumped my wis
59:48 <mortswishytail> Its too late for me :(
01:14 <mortswishytail> Most of us in the pirate campaign will be very face people
01:21 <mortswishytail> I will have 18 cha lol
01:27 <mortswishytail> :p
04:58 <MekkisScreen>          Transaction_Type.RefundSale & ", " & Transaction_Type.ReturnSale & ", " & Transaction_Type.Sale & ")" & _
05:02 <MekkisScreen>          Transaction_Type.RefundSale & ", " & Transaction_Type.ReturnSale & ", " & Transaction_Type.Sale & ")" & _
05:07 <MekkisScreen> ummm
05:08 <MekkisScreen> iios
05:10 <MekkisScreen> oops
05:13 <mortswishytail> Never mind. Any more of this ill make bad caster joker
05:16 <mortswishytail> Jokes
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52:24 <MekkisScreen> ``Turn off your targeting computer, Luke. Software sucks. Hardware sucks. You have a better chance of making this shot by guessing.'' 
58:10 <Mort-> Luke sky walker?
58:36 <Mort-> he cheated and used guidance (the force)
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03:43 <MekkisScreen> re: the Australian National Anthem
03:43 <MekkisScreen> Our land abounds in nature's gifts
03:44 <MekkisScreen> Of beauty rich and rare.
03:46 <MekkisScreen> Now that's a decidedly interesting way of putting `lethal snakes and spiders'.
03:54 <MekkisScreen> When they turn up in our lusers offices or, if at all possible, underwear, then yes, I'ld say a lethal snake or spider is a beautiful gift of nature.
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40:35 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: what's the website of the job you've applied for?
18:39 <MekkisScreen> Although as Boston's Computer Museum moves into the mainstream (read: succumbs to WWW hype) the general quality of their famed bowl of buttons has diminished, I managed to pull these gems out:
18:44 <MekkisScreen> (1) You are in the presence of a system administrator. KNEEL.
18:46 <MekkisScreen> (2) SCSI is *not* magic. There are fundamental technical reasons why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. 
25:47 <Brunius> A Saturday, sure.
26:27 <Brunius> Not the 24th though.
26:35 <Brunius> Should be fine for a couple saturdays after that.
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47:13 <Avatar> mekkis: http://www.applemarketing.com.au/
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13:56 <Brunius> I love it when teachers teach you one thing then set you homework about a completely different thing.
16:08 <Mort-> :(
16:26 * Mort- hugs brunius and gives him cookies
16:49 <Brunius> It's taken me two hours to do less than a third of the homework
16:50 <Brunius> :(
18:37 <Avatar> that's a lie
18:41 <Avatar> oh, woops
18:48 <Avatar> I guess that might be truth
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36:34 <Brunius> Fucking polynomials
37:47 <MekkisScreen> just use matlab
37:52 <MekkisScreen> or a ti89
42:25 <Brunius> I've got a Casio ClassPad 330 yo
42:36 <Brunius> Doesn't help when you need to explain that shit
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57:54 <Spaceshot> wow vividwireless is failing hardcore
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07:43 <Spaceshot> anyone able to possibly help me get better internet speeds with my vividwireless(4G) box?
07:56 <Avatar> how
08:12 <Spaceshot> I don't know, I'm not a network/internet guy
08:34 <Spaceshot> I don't really know how this shit works, or what tweaking should be done to make it better
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10:50 <Mekkis> attach external antennae
10:55 <Mekkis> ummm antennas
11:04 <Mekkis> antennae are in insects
11:41 <Spaceshot> firstly, where too? secondly I don't think I have any (or that any came with it)
11:54 <Mekkis> not sure
11:58 <Mekkis> does the box have a port?
12:21 <Mekkis> find your local cell, and put your box in a piece of asian cookware facing it
12:30 <Spaceshot> has 2 ethernet ports and 2 phonelines
12:48 <Spaceshot> don't have asian cookware, and I have no idea where the local tower is :P
13:14 <Mekkis> throw it out and stop that criminal waste of mobile bandwidth for nonmobile usage :)
13:35 <Spaceshot> :P
13:59 <Mekkis> seriously
14:05 <Spaceshot> supposedly, I did get 6.84mb/s on 21/2/12
14:11 <Spaceshot> says www.speedtest.net
14:26 <Mekkis> megabits or megabytes?
15:18 <Spaceshot> megabits I believe
15:45 <Mekkis> but yeah, get some form of fixed line instead
15:54 <Spaceshot> currently .55mb/s
16:12 <Mekkis> 6.4mbps is below the theoretical maximum for 3g
16:35 <Mekkis> any wireless access points around you?
16:46 <Spaceshot> and currently downloading at 20-80kb/s on steam
16:57 <Spaceshot> you mean other peoples?
17:05 <Spaceshot> I think so, but they're all locked :P
19:33 <Spaceshot> do you understand 6-9MBps at QPSK
19:52 <Spaceshot> 12-18Mbps at 16QAM
20:00 <Spaceshot> 20+ Mbps at 64QAM
20:07 <Spaceshot> does that make any sense to you?
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21:09 <Spaceshot> www.frostbyte.com.au/Portals/0/Images/VividWireless/VividGatewaySpecs.jpg
21:16 <Mekkis> yes
21:19 <Mekkis> I do
21:36 <Mekkis> Quad Phase Shift Keying?
21:50 <Mekkis> it's the dictionary they're using
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22:11 <Spaceshot> well supposedly that image has details in it that can help me figure out if the box is having the issue or not
22:19 <Mekkis> one thing you do need to realise is that that "6-9MBPS" is not for you
22:25 <Mekkis> it's for everyone in your cell
22:40 <Mekkis> that's where Tony Abbott got it wrong
23:01 <Mekkis> sure, you CAN get 100mbps on wireless
23:14 <AxeMurderBoy> whos up for hardcore cyber sex
23:14 <Mekkis> if you're the only one using it, and you're sitting right next to the transmitter
23:28 <Mekkis> AxeMurderBoy, sure, meet me in #asd and ask me there.
23:31 <Spaceshot> so basically what you're saying is that the issue is that there are too many people on the cell/tower/whatever
23:35 <AxeMurderBoy> i go off  like a frog in a sock
23:48 <Mekkis> not in this channel please
23:50 <Mekkis> do it in #asd
23:51 <Spaceshot> wtb ballig's banning right now
23:51 <AxeMurderBoy> why there>
23:52 <AxeMurderBoy> ?
24:05 <Mekkis> because it's not a good idea to do it here.
24:06 <AxeMurderBoy> nah
24:06 <AxeMurderBoy> lets do it here sweeety
24:14 <AxeMurderBoy> ok hang on
24:21 <AxeMurderBoy> lets do it in my priv ok
24:29 <Mekkis> nope. #asd
24:30 <AxeMurderBoy> itll be fun
24:34 <AxeMurderBoy> nah priv
24:41 <Ballig> what
24:47 <Ballig> `ban AxeMurderBoy
24:47 * ChanOP sets ban on *!*[email protected].*
24:48 ChanOP has kicked AxeMurderBoy from #d&d ((Ballig) You are banned)
24:54 <Spaceshot> better
24:58 <Mekkis> was hoping to get him ZLined
25:00 <Spaceshot> :P
25:09 <Spaceshot> lolol
25:27 <Ballig> if he's done enough to deserve a zline he'll get it even if I've banned him
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25:47 <Ballig> `ban AxeMurderBoy
25:48 * ChanOP sets ban on *!*[email protected].*
25:48 ChanOP has kicked AxeMurderBoy from #d&d ((Ballig) You are banned)
26:04 * Ballig sets ban on AxeMurderBoy*!*@*
26:06 <Mort-> That's disgusting
26:14 <Spaceshot> is there any possible way to find out how many people are on the cell?
26:16 <Mort-> Really all the stuff he said
26:20 * Ballig sets ban on *!*tt@118.*
26:22 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, not really
26:39 <Mekkis> not unless you've got access to the network
27:16 <Spaceshot> so basically it's call up tech support and find out if it's an issue with just me, the cell or it's just congestion
27:39 <Mekkis> Ballig, it's 118.99/16 and 118.168/12
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27:46 <Mekkis> well
27:49 <AxMurderBoy> ?
27:57 <Ballig> `ban AxMurderBoy
27:58 * ChanOP sets ban on *!*[email protected].*
27:58 ChanOP has kicked AxMurderBoy from #d&d ((Ballig) You are banned)
28:10 * Ballig sets ban on *!*@118.99.*
28:15 * Ballig sets ban on *!*@118.168.*
28:24 <Ballig> he'll get bored
28:43 <Mekkis> you're best off working out what quantisation you're getting
29:04 <Spaceshot> how?
29:04 <Mekkis> but really, 10mbps dedicated is much better than 25mbps shared
29:08 <Mekkis> not sure
29:21 <Mekkis> does the web interface say anyhting?
29:27 <Mekkis> anything*
29:41 <Mort-> You can't perma ban him?
29:46 <Mort-> He is disgusting
29:52 <Spaceshot> modulation: 64-QAM[CTC] 5/6
29:58 <Ballig> Mort-: not worth the effort
30:00 <Spaceshot> for both downlink and uplink
30:00 <Ballig> he's just trolling
30:02 * Mort- fur is standing on end
30:29 <Mort-> Yeah but i can't ban him
30:35 <Mekkis> Mort-, if you're that disturbed, report it to [email protected]
30:39 <Mort-> And you can't be here 24/7
30:46 <Mort-> I'm on cell
30:46 <Mekkis> phone:          +852-23631363
30:46 <Mekkis> fax-no:         +852-81673882
30:51 <Mort-> And yes I'm female
30:56 <Mekkis> descr:          Forewin Telecom Group Limited, ISP at HK
31:01 <Mort-> Lol overseas
31:08 <Mekkis> address:        Unit C, 8/F Blk 2 Vigor Ind Bldg
31:08 <Mekkis> address:        No. 49-53 Ta Chuen Ping St, Kwai Chung
31:08 <Mekkis> address:        N.T. Hong Kong
31:45 * Mort- tail twitches
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32:58 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: so does that help?
33:03 * Mort- muses about ghoul touch
33:19 <Mekkis> it means that what you're getting between the tower is as good as you can expect to get
33:40 <Mekkis> but still, you're sharing the bandwidth with as many people as happen to be around requesting bits
33:52 <Spaceshot> mmm
34:06 <Spaceshot> I thought 4G improved on that issue that 3G had/has
34:12 <Mekkis> what issue?
34:37 <Spaceshot> the speed being shit due others using the cell/tower
35:48 <Mekkis> even if the number of bits flying through the air issue was fixed, there's still the issue of the thickness of the pipe going from the tower to the network
36:05 <Mekkis> and I'm not convinced that the 'bits flying through the air' issue was fixed
36:21 <Spaceshot> mmm true, but I thought all 4G towers used fiber
36:25 <Spaceshot> good thick fiber at that
36:27 <Spaceshot> I thought it was
37:14 <Mekkis> it's still shared with however many people are talking to the tower
37:31 <Mekkis> as I said: the real solution is to get a fixed line
37:45 <Mekkis> everything else is just making a shitty connection less shitty
37:55 <Spaceshot> I would if I could
38:26 <Spaceshot> but unilodge have a really fucking retarded contract/agreement with allegro
38:39 <Spaceshot> only allegro can touch any cables in the building
39:45 <Spaceshot> and since it's an apartment building
39:49 <Spaceshot> that means it sucks to be you
40:10 <Spaceshot> and allegro shares it's internet for the building with the whole building, so you don't get a specific line for yourself
40:20 <Spaceshot> so the 4G box even though it's average, is still sadly better
40:50 <Mekkis> ah
46:03 <Spaceshot> if I could get a cable connection without them touching the building, I would have
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54:17 * Ballig removes ban on *!*tt@118.*
54:20 * Ballig removes ban on AxeMurderBoy*!*@*
54:23 * Ballig removes ban on *!*[email protected].*
54:23 * Ballig removes ban on *!*[email protected].*
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09:38 <Mekkis> yes, Brunius I am familiar with them
09:59 <Brunius> Oh, it's chill now
10:05 <Brunius> I finally figured them out
11:53 <Spaceshot> you good now?
11:58 <Spaceshot> you won't just wonder off?
12:08 <Brunius> Yeah
12:13 <Brunius> Finally figured it out
12:20 <Brunius> You can continue complaining about Mekkis
13:36 <Spaceshot> haha
13:44 <Spaceshot> it's a secret
14:07 <Mekkis> ssh!
15:39 <Spaceshot> :P
15:46 <Brunius> I'm just gonna ignore it anyway
15:48 <Spaceshot> just bitching about your concept is all
15:49 <Brunius> So it doesn't matter.
15:53 <Spaceshot> yea I know
16:15 <Brunius> How do I get to the power of 2 (i.e. squared) in openoffice?
16:20 <Mekkis> ssh -D8888 -D9999 -L3389:192.168.200.107:3389 -v -lvpsirc nl.ti4200.info -6
16:26 <Mekkis> ^2
16:42 <Mekkis> although if I were you, I'd use ^{2}
17:14 <Brunius> Is that meant to contain the smaller 2?
17:21 <Mekkis> no
17:28 <Mekkis> it looks exactly the same
17:46 <Mekkis> oh
18:00 <Mekkis> you mean you're not using alt+i,o,f
18:04 <Mekkis> first
18:29 <Brunius> Huh
18:31 <Mekkis> (insert -> object -> formula)
18:33 <Brunius> didn't know you could do that
18:40 <Brunius> That would have been useful earlier.
19:03 <Mekkis> nowadays, I just use $x^{2}$ in LaTeX
20:30 <Mekkis> I did a subject in uni where I took all my notes on my laptop
20:39 <Mekkis> most of the time, I found notebooks better
20:59 <Mekkis> but this one was really boring, and required so much writing, that I decided how to learn it
23:04 <Avatar> someone tell conquest to come sooner !!!
23:15 <Mekkis> I'm feeling the same
23:20 <Mekkis> is there any con mid-year?
23:32 <Avatar> you tell me?
23:36 <Avatar> paizocon?
23:40 <Mekkis> maybe
23:46 <Mekkis> it should be in the planning stages
23:53 <Spaceshot> comicon
23:58 <Mekkis> Alan wants it in Hobart
24:06 <Avatar> lol hobart
24:08 <Mekkis> someone wants it in Adelaide
24:11 <Spaceshot> COMICON
24:12 <Spaceshot> :P
24:14 <Avatar> lol adelaide
24:18 <Mekkis> John wants it in Brisbane
24:25 <Mekkis> I want it in the Gold Coast
24:34 <Brunius> Get it to come to Melbourne.
24:37 <Mekkis> and Darkwhite doesn't want to commit to anything yet
24:52 <Brunius> Get him to commit to Melbourne.
24:52 <Mekkis> but he doesn't want it to run in Melbourne, Sydney or Canberra
24:58 <Mekkis> they already get enough cons
25:03 <Brunius> :(
25:11 <Brunius> Perth
25:19 <Mekkis> Callum doesn't want it in Perth
25:28 <Mort-> Have a meeting now
25:34 <Mort-> Will probably afk or log
25:36 <Mort-> Lol
25:41 <Mekkis> ?
25:54 <Mort-> Me
25:58 <Mort-> I'm having a meeting now
26:01 <Brunius> Night guys
26:03 <Mekkis> something tells me that Gold Coast will not be happening
26:05 <Mekkis> :(
26:14 <Mort-> Night bru
26:16 <Mekkis> Should I apply for VC of QLD?
26:26 <Mort-> Wish i was staying next to mek :p
26:32 <Spaceshot> guess my questions shall not get answered tonight
26:38 <Brunius> You should
26:40 <Mort-> I bet there would be some fun lol
26:42 <Spaceshot> someone has a nerd crush XD
26:44 <Mekkis> Mort-, I'm booking a double-bed for conquest :)
27:04 <Brunius> hawt
27:04 <Mort-> Really?
27:05 <Mort-> Lol
27:16 <Mort-> I'm not around you silly nub!
27:30 <Mekkis> sure
27:31 <Mort-> More likely id try to hit some of you
27:42 <Mekkis> it was $9/night more than the single
27:48 <Mort-> With improvised weapon (bolster)
28:10 <Mort-> Do you need that much room?
28:19 <Mekkis> not really
28:33 <Spaceshot> would you hit me mort?
29:36 <Mekkis> Brunius, I learnt to type: A csub "~" circ (%alpha B csub "~" + %beta C csub "~") = 0, so %alpha A csub "~" circ B csub "~" + %beta A csub "~" circ C csub "~" = 0 newline
29:36 <Mekkis> therefore %beta over %alpha = {-A csub "~" circ B csub "~"} over {A csub "~" circ B csub "~"} (ratio) newline
29:36 <Mekkis> so A csub "~" times (B csub "~" times C csub "~") = %gamma [(A csub "~" circ C csub "~") B csub "~" - (A csub "~" circ B csub "~")C csub "~"] newline
29:36 <Mekkis> where %gamma is some constant
29:42 <Mekkis> very quickly
29:56 <Mekkis> I don't really know if I learnt much else in that subject :S
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34:05 <Mort-> Id hit you with something that did lethal damage i think.
34:15 <Mekkis> who, Spaceshot?
34:20 <Mort-> Probably a base ball bat ^^
34:23 <Mort-> Probably
34:34 <Spaceshot> why me?
34:37 <Spaceshot> what'd I do?
35:47 <Avatar> probably something
35:48 <Avatar> !
36:32 <Mort-> ^^
36:59 <Spaceshot> probably
37:04 <Spaceshot> always with these probablys
37:24 <Spaceshot> anyway, I've got my concept, and I believe a few classes that can easily fit it for brunius' campaign
37:57 <Avatar> well to be fair I don't really know for sure
39:40 * Mort- giggles
39:55 * Spaceshot not happy
40:17 * Mort- giggles norm
40:28 * Mort- giggles more
43:19 <Avatar> what can I say
43:21 <Avatar> I like to play the odds
43:26 <Avatar> roll the dICE if you will
44:02 <Spaceshot> just a thought came up
44:18 <Spaceshot> we should make 4 non combat oriented characters for brunius' campaign :P
44:30 <Spaceshot> political and economic pirates
44:43 <Avatar> pretty sure we will all die if we do that
45:04 <Avatar> do you mean bards
45:06 <Avatar> and rogues
45:14 <Avatar> that could work
45:31 <Spaceshot> not just
45:36 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking a very odd class
45:45 <Avatar> Brunius: do you want the winning formula
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49:56 <Avatar> War_Wrecker: you got a character ready?
50:16 <Spaceshot> I think he was practically done last night with his magus
50:18 <War_Wrecker> erm almost
50:23 <War_Wrecker> just need to register it
51:00 <Avatar> what's the character's name
51:45 <War_Wrecker> haven't decided yet
51:56 <Avatar> that's the most important part !
52:00 <War_Wrecker> i know
52:05 <War_Wrecker> that's why I haven't decided yet
52:11 <Avatar> http://rinkworks.com/namegen/
52:15 <Avatar> try using that
52:24 <Mort-> Yeah
55:01 <War_Wrecker> Elysiel
55:46 <Mort-> Female?
56:04 <War_Wrecker> male
56:10 <War_Wrecker> yeah I know the names a bit off
56:14 <Spaceshot> elves
56:22 <Mort-> ?
56:25 <War_Wrecker> yeah elves
56:27 <War_Wrecker> :P
56:54 <Mort-> Try eiladil
57:21 <War_Wrecker> Or Eylasidel
58:34 <Mort-> Better
59:47 <Mort-> Elysiel is a girls name imo
00:22 <War_Wrecker> Bordering
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00:44 <War_Wrecker> Elves have 'Variel' as a male name
00:45 <War_Wrecker> Sooo
00:53 <Avatar> which one do you prefer :P
01:15 <War_Wrecker> I'll go with Elysiel
01:21 <Avatar> easy to pronounce
01:37 <Avatar> okay, added
01:39 <Avatar> you can upload it
01:47 <Avatar> this is a pathfinder society character right
01:50 <War_Wrecker> yup
01:51 <Mort-> Bleh
01:59 <War_Wrecker> I HAVE A GIRLY NAME
02:02 <War_Wrecker> BECAUSE I AM AN ELF
02:06 <War_Wrecker> DEAL WITH IT
02:13 <Mort-> Maybe you'll see kha
02:17 <Mort-> Khaz
02:47 <Avatar> haha
02:54 <Avatar> elysiel is added
03:49 <Mort-> Lol
04:18 <Mort-> He would call you a sissy :p
06:01 <War_Wrecker> :P
06:09 <War_Wrecker> My character definitively has a beard
06:11 <War_Wrecker> As an elf
06:12 <Mort-> Or not :p
06:18 <War_Wrecker> Screw the rules
06:54 <Avatar> i'd be fine with your elf having a beard
07:00 <Mort-> He is a mind your own business guy
07:02 <Mort-> Actually
07:05 <Mort-> So probably not
07:06 <Avatar> especially if you take the adopted trait and pick a dwarf trait
07:16 <Spaceshot> elves can't grow facial hair
07:18 <Avatar> how fitting would that be
07:22 <Mort-> Besides.
07:26 <Avatar> ah but elves with dwarven parents ? maybe
07:33 <War_Wrecker> Does anyone besides spaceshot have a problem with an elf with facial hair?
07:34 <Avatar> show me the rule that says that's not a possibility
07:42 <Avatar> lol
07:43 <Spaceshot> adopted doesn't mean blood related
07:54 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: I don't have a problem with it
07:54 <War_Wrecker> I know that elves dont grow facial hair
07:55 <Avatar> so
08:03 <Spaceshot> just stating the general fantasy fact
08:04 <Spaceshot> :P
09:20 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, Spaceshot will have a problem with anything that goes against his vision
09:31 <Spaceshot> what?
09:32 <Spaceshot> lies
09:38 <Mort-> Hope you'll meet khaz :p
09:39 <Spaceshot> I like the abnorm
10:22 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: I usually only have an issue with your characters
10:44 <Spaceshot> either they're overly broken, or special cases where they just don't make sense in the context they're used :P
11:52 <Avatar> Spaceshot: do what I did and try and pick out which ones 
12:01 <Avatar> I only found 2 that I didn't like
12:04 <Avatar> I was sure there was more
12:25 <Spaceshot> 2 what? of mekkis' characters?
12:30 <Mekkis> why don't you try and take Avatar's characters and look at them in the context of Golarion
12:49 <Avatar> yeah
12:51 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, I trust Elysiel wears a mask?
12:53 <Spaceshot> because I don't count PFS as having any context
12:56 <Spaceshot> I know it does
13:02 <War_Wrecker> Yes
13:05 <Spaceshot> but for characters I just don't see it
13:17 <War_Wrecker> However Elysiel has long hair
13:30 <War_Wrecker> Well not long
13:35 <War_Wrecker> But... longish
13:52 <Spaceshot> need to have a team of masked bandits
13:57 <Spaceshot> maybe Gol will wear a mask
14:21 <Avatar> let's all wear masks
14:25 <Avatar> and give ourselves a name
14:29 <Mort-> Really sissy
14:37 <Avatar> the masked men
14:44 <Mort-> I know what my name will be
14:49 <Avatar> one day mort can be captured
14:55 <Mort-> Why?
14:56 <Avatar> revealing to them that one of the masked men is actually.... a woman!
15:00 <Avatar> dun dun DUN
15:10 <Mort-> I dont intend to be
15:39 * Mort- eyes glow nastily
15:40 <Avatar> well it's not appropriate for Snickers to wear a mask
15:51 <Avatar> I guess Princess can
16:13 <Spaceshot> Or I could make a bard called Gene Ric and have him wear a mask
16:42 <Mort-> Ill appear as myself
16:49 <Avatar> oh so it's going to be like that is it
16:56 <Mort-> Well
16:58 <Avatar> we're all wearing individual masks and not being part of any sort of club
16:58 <Mort-> You'll see
17:01 <Avatar> well I never
17:04 <Mort-> Nuff said
17:08 <Avatar> try to cooperate and what happens
17:12 <Avatar> the pathfinders go AWOL
17:59 <Mort-> There are spells to magically disguise?
19:30 <War_Wrecker> urgh choosing faction/aligntment
19:40 <Mort-> Screw masks and just pop one of them on
19:50 <Mort-> I think your faction.
19:59 <Mort-> Do you have to take taldor?
20:10 <Spaceshot> be chelix :P
20:13 <Spaceshot> and I think so
20:18 <Mort-> If you have a taldor faction trait your stuck with it
20:22 <Mort-> So you know
20:30 <Mort-> Alignment sort it out  yourself
21:09 <Mort-> Khaz probably wouldn't have anything nice to say to lawful good characters
21:11 <Mort-> :p
21:40 <War_Wrecker> Watching taldor is a qadira trait
21:50 <Mort-> Oh god
22:16 <Mort-> Please read what qadira stands for
22:23 <Mort-> Before you make that choice
22:34 <Mort-> If you are ever going pally dip
22:43 <War_Wrecker> yeah I know
22:47 <Mort-> If you can live with it. Feel free
22:55 <War_Wrecker> and a page i read listed watching taldor as a regional trait
23:09 <Mort-> Regional or faction
23:11 <Spaceshot> look, they're no worse than chelix
23:25 <Mort-> They aren't nice by any means
23:28 <Mort-> Anyway
23:30 <War_Wrecker> tempted to go sczarni
23:34 <War_Wrecker> And chaotic neutral
23:37 <Mort-> Ok
23:57 <Mort-> No pallyhood for you then
24:00 <Mekkis> don't talk about your faction
24:07 <Mort-> Oh ya
24:11 <War_Wrecker> oh yeah of course
24:11 <Mort-> Lol :d
24:13 <Mort-> I forget
24:14 <War_Wrecker> its super serious business
24:16 <Mekkis> but I would recommend not going one of the five "new" factions
24:21 <Mort-> Shhh!
24:30 <Mort-> What are the 5 new factions again?
24:32 <Mekkis> because you won't get missions from them for most of the modules we run
24:32 <Mort-> Lol
24:55 <Mekkis> Shadow lodge, grand lodge, silver crusade, scazni, lantern lodge
24:57 <Mort-> Explain mekkis
25:06 <Mort-> Btw. Are you joining us
25:14 <War_Wrecker> this saturday?
25:16 <Mort-> On our pirate campaign
25:21 <Mort-> When we start?
25:32 <Spaceshot> yes, he's playing an honest merchant
25:32 <Mort-> Not sure if you can join us on sat
25:36 <Spaceshot> for fuck knows reasons
25:52 <Mort-> Avatar is doing qfp?
25:55 <Mort-> Mek?
26:09 <Mekkis> should be here on Saturday
26:12 <Mekkis> with Itzamna
26:20 <Mort-> Are you in the pirate campaign space?
26:23 <Mort-> Ok
26:30 <Mekkis> merchant campaign
26:32 <Mekkis> get it right :)
26:35 <Mort-> But qfp at the tier we are running
26:44 <Mekkis> is 18 charisma enough?
26:45 <Mort-> Is dangerous for level 1s
26:48 <Spaceshot> you're being a douche
26:54 <Mort-> I also have 18 cha
26:56 <Mort-> :p
26:57 <Spaceshot> and yep mort
27:08 <Spaceshot> I think I have either 18int or 18cha
27:14 <Mort-> Also asking war wrecker
27:14 <Spaceshot> don't remember from the class I'm choosing
27:21 <Spaceshot> also, no idea what level we're starting at yet
27:25 <Mort-> 3
27:28 <Mekkis> 4
27:29 <Spaceshot> you sure?
27:32 <Spaceshot> see, no idea
27:36 <Mort-> Ask bru
27:40 <Mekkis> it's not less than three
27:46 <Mort-> Last time he said 3 but  subject to changes
28:06 <Mort-> So war_wrecker
28:12 <Mort-> If you are with us
28:26 <War_Wrecker> roll up a level 3?
28:29 <Mort-> I need you to prepare elysiel at level 3
28:37 <War_Wrecker> k
28:40 <Mort-> Campaign wont start for a month
28:45 <Spaceshot> mort, don't confuse the guy
28:46 <Mort-> You can roll someone different
28:55 <Mort-> Just giving him early notice
29:00 <Mort-> Better he gets prepared
29:20 <Mort-> Just make sure you start creating template for someone at level 3
29:22 <Spaceshot> it's a PIRATE (can't stress that part enough XD) campaign
29:31 <War_Wrecker> Not just sea faring, but pirate
29:32 <Mort-> Up to you whatever you want to play
29:38 <Spaceshot> mekkis likes to break the 4th wall though
29:43 <War_Wrecker> so what date would it be running?
29:53 <Mort-> A month from now?
30:02 <Mort-> I strongly suggest no plate armor
30:21 <Mort-> All it takes is improved bull rush
30:27 <Mort-> Then good luck swimming
30:29 <Mekkis> Brunius never said it was a pirate campaign
30:39 <Mekkis> he said it was a seafaring campaign
30:45 <Mekkis> you're twisting his words
30:46 <Mort-> Ye
30:49 <Spaceshot> he said it as a pirate campaign
30:49 <Mekkis> and Mort-'s believing it
30:52 <Spaceshot> want me to get the logs?
30:57 <Mekkis> yeah
31:07 <Mekkis> as in, we're fighting pirates
31:12 <Mekkis> or negotiating with them
31:15 <Spaceshot> when did he say that?
31:24 <Spaceshot> log's boy
31:34 <Mekkis> who's log's boy?
31:39 <Mort-> Negotiation requires face skills :d
31:41 <Mekkis> is your father "log"?
31:54 <Mort-> Some of us are fairly decent face people i think
32:35 <Spaceshot> mekkis, you're being a dickhead
32:39 <Spaceshot> logs boy
34:04 <Spaceshot> swashbuckling = pirates
34:17 <Mekkis> Feb 20 19:06:22 <Brunius>       [19:57:25] Background there are pirates that you swashbuckle
35:04 <Mekkis> I'm seeding a lot
35:04 <Mekkis> :S
35:09 <Spaceshot> where is that
35:09 <Mort-> Oh no :(
35:17 <Mort-> Its all there
35:24 <Spaceshot> where?
35:28 <Mort-> Ill defend you mek!
35:33 <Mort-> Meks log
35:43 <Mort-> He is a humble merchant!
35:52 <Mort-> I won't let the pirates get him!
36:05 <Mekkis> I'll probably need to hire a crew though
36:10 * Mort- draws her uh...dagger?
36:23 <Mort-> Oh dear. That wouldn't be too much good would it?
36:28 <Mekkis> you know, with people who can assist me in negotiations and trade deals
37:10 <Mort-> You'll need some people to keep pirates off you
37:14 <Mekkis> perhaps
37:17 <Mekkis> depends
37:22 <Mort-> Probably hire the guys from the streets
37:29 <Mekkis> maybe I'll be able to intimidate them
37:31 <Mort-> Or the mercenary guild
37:38 <Mort-> Lol
37:41 <Mort-> Good luck
37:51 <War_Wrecker> Okay I'm just going through and clearing up the shit leftover from the template
37:52 <Mekkis> if I buy a warship, maybe they won't attack me
37:59 <War_Wrecker> Like all the "xx"s that are meant to be 0's
38:14 <Mort-> Ok
38:25 <Mort-> How much for a war ship
38:32 <Mekkis> probably too much :(
38:44 <Mekkis> perhaps Brunius will accommodate me
38:52 <Spaceshot> why would he?
38:54 <Mekkis> or I'll join a company
38:57 <Spaceshot> favoratism
39:02 <Mekkis> because he cares about my backstory
39:27 <Mekkis> because he realises that when I argue, I actually have a leg to stand on :S
39:50 <Spaceshot> no, when you argue you like to player laywers and asshats
39:56 <Mekkis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkjR3cdXSS8
39:57 <Spaceshot> you like to take both roles
40:04 <Mekkis> what's a laywer?
40:13 <Mort-> ^^
40:21 <Spaceshot> whatever, don't give a fuck about you being a dickhead
40:23 <Spaceshot> fuck it
40:30 <Spaceshot> go fuck a rusty railroad spike
40:32 <Spaceshot> I don't give a fuck
40:36 <Spaceshot> you're being a douche
40:39 <Mort-> Space
40:43 <Mort-> Here you go again
40:48 <Spaceshot> mort, you aren't involved, so stfu
40:55 <Mort-> Do not question a guys choices
40:55 <Spaceshot> I have nothing against you, so gtfo atm
41:03 <Avatar> what's going on now
41:07 <Mort-> We all can go to hell in our own way
41:14 <Spaceshot> good, then don't question my choice of telling you to shut the fuck up
41:23 <Spaceshot> I'm fed up with mekkis
41:26 <Spaceshot> extremely
41:29 <Avatar> Spaceshot: put him on ignore
41:38 <Spaceshot> no fucking idea how to on icechat
41:45 <Avatar> do /ignore mekkis
41:45 <Spaceshot> I already tried /ignore and it does nothing
41:51 <Mekkis> get a client that allows it?
41:54 <Spaceshot> need to do some enabling shit
42:02 <Spaceshot> mekkis, STFU YOU FUCKING TOOL
42:15 <Spaceshot> YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEARN YOUR PLACE YOU CHINK
42:28 <Spaceshot> and no, I'm not racist in general
42:34 <Spaceshot> I am only when it enphasises
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45:02 <Mekkis> that being said, I really should look at the prices of ships
45:29 <Mort-> Tell me how much it costs
45:36 <Mort-> I have no way of finding out
46:20 <Avatar> `op
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46:41 <Mekkis> I suppose it'll need to be rather large...
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47:03 <War_Wrecker> urgghhhh
47:10 <War_Wrecker> Reading up on scorpion whips
47:12 <War_Wrecker> Is confusing
47:17 <Mekkis> they are
47:19 <Mort-> Why
47:29 <Mort-> What do you need to know
47:34 <War_Wrecker> Apparently there isn't a consensus on what they do
47:38 <Mekkis> most of the ships are actually in third-party 3e books
47:48 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, don't tell me you're reading the boards
47:50 <War_Wrecker> Well, range I suppose
47:55 <Mekkis> the boards don't reach a consensus on ANYTHING
48:56 <Mekkis> ah
48:58 <Mekkis> here's a ship
48:59 <War_Wrecker> And damage type
49:07 <Mekkis> what source are they from?
49:15 <Avatar> War_Wrecker: upload your sheet
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49:31 <Mort-> You threaten
49:36 <Mort-> Nothing
49:41 <Mort-> You can hit 15 ft
49:54 <Mort-> Not subject to whip natural armor business
50:08 <Mort-> Your range is 15  ft
50:30 <Mort-> But you do not threaten anything
50:40 <Mort-> Not till you take some debts
50:45 <Mort-> Feats
52:22 <War_Wrecker> Should I pack a sabre as well just to have another weapon?
54:06 <Mekkis> probably
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55:31 <Mekkis> what book is the scorpian whip in?
55:49 <Mort-> A scorpion whip uses the same rules as the whip in the PFRPG Core Rulebook, except (1) it deals lethal damage, even to creatures with armor bonuses, and (2) the stats in the table.
55:54 <Mekkis> what book is the scorpian whip in?
56:55 <Avatar> UC
57:38 <Mort-> Yeah
57:56 <Avatar> War_Wrecker: are you stilla bout
58:01 <War_Wrecker> yeah
58:14 <Avatar> upload your sheet yo
59:29 <Mort-> For pfs?
59:47 <Mort-> Or campaign
00:09 <Mort-> I recommend weapons of different typos
00:24 <Mort-> Ie slashing piercing and blunt
01:04 <Mekkis> hmmm
01:18 <Mekkis> what sort of ship would we be aiming for?
01:32 <Avatar> a big one
01:41 <Mekkis> if we pride ourselves with speed, then it'd be best to go for a small one with a fast speed
01:50 <Mekkis> good for outrunning pirates
01:55 <War_Wrecker> Is scorp whip 1d4 or 1d3+1?
02:03 <Mekkis> but it means that we can't carry as much
02:05 <Mort-> Yeah i don't want to be caught
02:08 <Mort-> And tortured
02:19 <Mort-> Try to find a boat with good speed an space
02:53 <Mort-> Would pirates torture us?
02:56 <Mort-> Mek?
03:16 * Mort- eyes look very vulnerable
03:50 <Mort-> Would they do mean mean things to us? :(
04:09 * Mort- is scawed
04:28 <Mort-> I think our budget shouldn't be more then 50 k to start with
04:32 <Mort-> Is it unrealistic
04:35 <Mort-> For a ship
05:13 <War_Wrecker> hehehe
05:23 <War_Wrecker> Just thinking of using a trident on a ship
05:29 <War_Wrecker> Or just in general tripping people on a ship
05:57 <Mort-> Hopefully won't have to
06:08 <War_Wrecker> I'm thinking of grabbing a flail and possibly a trident as other weapons
06:12 <War_Wrecker> Do you have any other suggestions?
06:50 <Mort-> My personal favorites are morningstars
06:57 <Mort-> Blunt and piercing
07:06 <Mort-> Khaz carries two :p
07:19 <Mort-> And a scimitar :)
07:59 <War_Wrecker> Hmm
08:10 <War_Wrecker> I like the idea of my back up weapon being able to take advantage of improved trip
08:12 <Mort-> Consider getting a scythe later as mek nicely puts it. To mow the lawn :)
08:29 <Mort-> Your primary weapon will be the scorpion whip
09:00 <Mort-> Make sure you can cover all 3 kinds of damage piercing slashing and blunt
09:08 <Mort-> How you do it is up to you
09:20 <War_Wrecker> Trident is piercing, whip is slashing, flail is blunt
09:27 <Mort-> Pass.
09:33 <Mort-> All can trip?
09:36 <Mort-> Excellent
09:56 <War_Wrecker> Trident cant trip
10:09 <Mekkis>   you can attempt a trip with any weapon
10:11 <Mort-> No matter
10:14 <Mort-> Yeah
10:18 <War_Wrecker> Oh yeah it can
10:19 <Mort-> But he can trip himself
10:21 <Mort-> As well
10:22 <War_Wrecker> Its just not listed
10:23 <Mort-> :p
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10:32 <War_Wrecker> At the least I can just throw the damn thing
10:44 <Mort-> Use a bow for range
10:49 <Mort-> Longbow
10:57 <Mort-> Composite if you have spare cash
11:01 <Mort-> +2
11:08 <Mort-> For your 14 str
11:21 <Mekkis> I think Perfection will buy a falcon
11:25 <Mekkis> ummm
11:27 <Mekkis> Itzamna
12:03 <Mort-> Itzamna on sea faring campaign?
12:12 <Mekkis> no
12:19 <Mort-> Ah
12:19 <Mekkis> Itzamna, creator of Perfection
12:20 <Mort-> Ok
12:20 <Mekkis> the bard
12:26 <Mort-> I like falcons
12:43 <Mort-> But keep perfection away from me. Thanks.
13:45 <Mekkis> I'll call the falcon "Khaa!"
13:57 <Mekkis> yay
14:05 <Mekkis> for being a gnome with /speak with animals/
14:20 * Mort- strokes khaa and tickes him on his neck
14:30 * Mort- backs away from perfection
14:38 <Mekkis> wow
14:47 <Mekkis> constrictor snakes
14:54 <Mort-> Ew.
15:03 * Mort- doesn't like snakes
31:37 <Mekkis> scorpian whip isn't in UC
31:39 <Mekkis> it's in AA
31:54 <Mort-> Its in uc as well so i heard
32:12 <Mort-> Some post says i can use a scorp whip
32:32 <Mort-> Even if i only have proficiency in whip
33:25 <Mekkis> correct
33:29 <Mekkis> it says that in AA
33:31 <Mekkis> then again
33:37 <Mekkis> my version of AA is the first printing
33:45 <Mekkis> with the Good version of Heirloom Weapon
33:47 <Mekkis> :S
33:59 <Mekkis> brb
34:05 <Mekkis> getting single malt scotch
35:40 <Avatar> scorpion whip is in UC
35:55 <Avatar> p145
36:35 <Avatar> p144 says:  If you are proficient 
36:35 <Avatar> with whips, you can use a scorpion whip as a whip. 
38:11 <War_Wrecker> Spire defender gives me proficiency with whips and proficiency with a tripping weapon of my choice (scorpion whip)
38:19 <Mekkis> yep
38:40 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, well, since you already have scorpion whip, why not get something else
38:47 <Mekkis> like Faulchard
39:12 <Mekkis> (except that requires buying another book, just to get a weapon, which, in my opinion, really isn't worth it)
40:03 <War_Wrecker> sorry, not any tripping weapon, any exotic one handed or light tripping weapon
40:08 <War_Wrecker> Otherwise I'd take a scythe
41:00 <War_Wrecker> Spire defenders dont get proficiency in 2 handed weapons, because as a magus they are meant to be casting with their free hand
41:28 <Mekkis> have you played a magus before?
41:33 <War_Wrecker> Nope
42:44 <War_Wrecker> And yes, I know they can get proficiency in 2 handed. But they don't start with it. Spire defender specifically gives proficiency in light and one handed weapons.
43:05 <Mort-> Yeah
43:07 <War_Wrecker> Well spire defenders dont
43:07 <Mekkis> I mean, I have no idea how a magus is supposed to work
43:15 <Mort-> You can use whip fine
43:31 <War_Wrecker> Spire defenders dual wield magic and a one handed weapon
43:37 <Mort-> He has martial weapon proficieaky
43:55 <Mekkis> I know that
43:57 <Mort-> If you want damage go for bastard sword
44:04 <Mort-> You can 1 hand it
44:21 <Mekkis> I meant, how is a magus supposed to work: it doesn't have +1 BAB at first, so it can't get all the combat feats
44:36 <Mort-> So?
44:42 <War_Wrecker> A magus works by magic
44:57 <Mort-> You don't want to use too much magic :p
45:06 <War_Wrecker> At level 10 they become half fighter
45:29 <War_Wrecker> Can I wear an armored kilt?
45:33 <Mort-> At level 12 pfs ends ^^
45:42 <Mort-> They aren't legal
45:49 <Mort-> Go with the haramaki
45:54 <Mort-> I was telling you about
46:25 <War_Wrecker> I did
46:48 <Mort-> You can't use armored kilts in pfs
46:55 <War_Wrecker> Yeah they seem ridiculous
47:11 <Mort-> Besides even if you could it would  put you to medium armor
47:13 <Avatar> haramaki is good
47:19 <Mort-> Which would fk up your casting
47:42 <Mort-> Ok khaz will pick up a scorpion whip i think
47:47 <Mort-> Just in case...
48:13 <Mort-> Yes that was my "payment" for helping you yesterday :p
48:25 <Mort-> Learnt a new trick :p
48:54 <War_Wrecker> :D
48:59 <Mort-> But i won't maneuver master
49:03 <Mort-> Not my style
49:12 <Mort-> As i said khaz is more of a brute
49:13 <War_Wrecker> Btw magi can cast any touch spell
49:20 <Mort-> Well not all
49:25 <War_Wrecker> Then make contact with their weapon to discharge it
49:31 <War_Wrecker> They don't need to attack
49:33 <Mort-> Always wondered why ghoul touch
49:35 <Mekkis> two fighters, with 20 dex each, and combat reflexes, wielding longswords
49:41 <Mekkis> I trip you
49:42 <Mort-> Was not on the list
49:46 <Mekkis> AoO I trip you 
49:47 <Mekkis> AoO I trip you 
49:48 <Mekkis> AoO I trip you 
49:49 <Mekkis> AoO I trip you 
49:53 <Mort-> Can't
49:57 <Mort-> You can't trip
50:01 <Mort-> A guy already prone
50:09 <Mekkis> he's not prone
50:14 <Mekkis> attempting to trip provokes
50:20 <Mekkis> you can trip on an AoO
50:31 <Mort-> Yes if you can reach us?
50:43 <Mort-> Can you trip someone 15 ft away?
50:54 <Mort-> Don't you have to be close?
51:01 <Mekkis> Xanian can, actually :)
51:08 <Mort-> He can
51:25 <Mort-> The standard 2 weapon fighter cannot
51:42 <Mort-> Anyway i might consider disarm
51:44 <Mort-> As well
51:56 <Mort-> Consider
52:34 <Mort-> Get an unseen servant to take of what ever crap you were using
54:38 <Mort-> But man it means i can stay out of fighting
54:43 <Mort-> If i want to
54:45 <Mort-> Do i?
54:52 <Mort-> Fighting is painful business
54:53 <Mort-> Lol
57:07 <Mort-> 1d6 as opposed to 1d4
57:12 <Mort-> Should i?
57:20 <Mort-> I could permanently stay whipped
57:25 <Mort-> Whip node
57:29 <Mort-> Mode
58:19 <Mort-> Never have to step into a melee again. Isn't it fabulous? :p
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