// #d&d — 2012-11-01
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00:01:20 <Sn0uu> I would
00:01:29 <Sn0uu> if I've ever played a game to the end
00:01:32 <Sn0uu> or past level 3
00:01:51 <Sn0uu> well... maybe lol
00:02:00 <Sn0uu> would you guys help me DM if I tried?
00:03:33 <Steven> nope, im going to throw you in the deep end of the pool and laugh while you flounder
00:04:09 <Sn0uu> then im not doing it with mah 'crew'
00:04:25 <Sn0uu> heh, might be fun if I tried to DM a game for you guys lol
00:04:34 <Steven> thats the spirit!
00:06:22 <Sn0uu> you are in a forst
00:06:23 <Sn0uu> what now?!??!
00:06:29 <Sn0uu> forest*
00:06:42 * Steven takes out a chainsaw...
00:06:51 * Steven starts cutting down trees.
00:07:43 <Sn0uu> they attack you
00:08:03 <Sn0uu> you faint
00:08:11 <Sn0uu> noone is around to hear you die.
00:08:12 <Sn0uu> the end.
00:08:23 * fued consumes corpse
00:09:02 <Steven> im pretty sure i wouldnt faint... im not mort.
00:09:44 <Sn0uu> well
00:09:53 <Sn0uu> you didn't really make a character...
00:09:54 <Sn0uu> soooo
00:10:08 <Sn0uu> heh
00:10:11 <Sn0uu> that was fun
00:10:14 <Sn0uu> but I gtg to bed
00:10:36 <Sn0uu> and really would like it if I could get one of you vets to help me get a game started. If you agree to DM, obviouslly ur rules
00:10:45 <Sn0uu> I'll hopefully be online most of the day tomorrow
00:10:47 <Sn0uu> night
00:11:10 <fued> cya
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00:15:11 <fued> i have no idea what to spend my gold on for my oracle/bard
00:17:38 <fued> if your mount has concealment, do you appear to be floating in the air, or are you concealed? lol
00:35:30 <fued> a blood god disciple can gain an evolution point from eating a creature, does that mean it can use that on the evolution "mount" letting any halfling/gnome ride the half-orc into battle? ahhaha
00:35:58 <fued> aw only available to quadrapeds
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01:04:13 <Mort-> What?
01:04:35 <Mort-> I'm just standing up for poor rodents who can't defend themselves against you
01:04:42 * Mort- rawrs.
01:04:51 <Mort-> Because its the right thing to do
01:05:22 * Steven shoots a squirrel...
01:05:43 * Mort- pounces on Steven to sunder his gun
01:06:34 * Steven cuts off morts pony tail.
01:07:09 * Mort- continues to wreck the gun
01:08:06 * Steven pulls out another shotgun while morts distracted trying to tear apart a gun made out of iron and wood with her bare hands...
01:08:14 * Steven murders another squirrel
01:09:06 * Mort- throws the gun she is holding into the pond
01:09:23 * Mort- makes a grab for Stevens gun
01:09:29 * Steven lets it go.
01:09:42 * Steven pulls out another shot gun and shoots more squirrels.
01:10:42 * Mort- clubs Steven on the back of his head with the grabbed gun
01:11:04 * Steven is immune to clubbing by people who think they have tails.
01:11:15 <Mort-> Its a weapon
01:11:36 <Steven> i have DR on top of that
01:11:37 <Mort-> So why can't i hit you with it as an improvised blugeoning weapon
01:11:58 <Mort-> Dr?
01:12:10 <Steven> damage reduction
01:12:20 <Steven> its ∞/Reality
01:12:31 <Steven> aka only reality bypasses it.
01:12:37 <Mort-> Oh
01:13:05 <Mort-> But can i grab you and dump you into a pond?
01:13:24 <Steven> sorry im incorporeal
01:13:42 <Steven> i guess technically im ethereal
01:13:51 <Steven> since my presence here is a projection....
01:14:45 <Steven> oh mans.... just yawned...
01:14:59 <Steven> i might be tired enough to go to sleep in around another hour
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01:21:08 <Steven> until then, im going to troll some forums.
01:24:14 <Mort-> You're not concealed.
01:24:22 <Mort-> And aquatic
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01:24:34 <Mort-> Yes as a summoner you can ride your eid
01:24:58 <Mort-> Fued. First 2 pa get wand of clw
01:25:13 <Mort-> Next. Buy me cookies with your spare gp
01:27:51 <Mort-> Mr fued.
01:27:56 <Mort-> paizo.com/threads/rzs2lf1m?Painlords-What-to-Expect-at-a-PFS-Table#15
01:28:00 <Mort-> Go read.
01:30:36 <Mort-> Oh dear
01:30:40 <Mort-> Was busy
01:30:54 <Mort-> www.ontariopathfinders.com/?p=688
01:30:57 <Mort-> More stuff
01:45:04 <fued> i dunno if i need clw, i have like 12 potential casts of it
01:47:04 <fued> Woo another game finished
01:47:07 <fued> closing in on level 2
01:49:21 <Steven> get a wand
01:49:47 <Mort-> Which one were you in
01:49:52 <Mort-> What class are you even
01:51:15 <fued> alright
01:51:27 <fued> should i wait till 9 fame for the rest?
01:51:36 <fued> then stock up on a bunch of wands?
01:54:12 <fued> oracle soon to be bard lol
01:57:51 <Mort-> Why the mix
01:57:54 <Mort-> What reason
02:03:08 <Mort-> Keep your prestige for rez in case accidents happen
02:03:25 <Mort-> Read those stuff i showed you
02:09:51 <Avatar> :o)
02:10:10 <Avatar> oracle bard is a strange mix
02:13:14 <Mort-> Hi avatar
02:13:27 * Mort- steals avatars cookies
02:13:35 <Avatar> hello mort, I have no cookies
02:13:39 <Avatar> the joke's on you
02:16:00 <MincedSushi> XD
02:24:33 <Mort-> :(
02:24:41 * Mort- sulks
02:25:52 <Avatar> or 1st level wands
02:26:10 <Avatar> every pathfinder should have a healing wand of some sort
02:40:47 <MekkisScreen> Kernigahn doesn't have a wand
02:41:00 <MekkisScreen> does Cairo?
02:41:37 <Avatar> yeah
02:41:53 <Avatar> on your recommendation I think
02:42:26 <Avatar> someone has to heal the cleric if the cleric falls
02:49:52 <MekkisScreen> I don't thing I recommended that to Cairo
03:03:05 <fued> oh cool, i can buy anything from my chronicle sheets at any time?
03:08:33 <Brunius> We should just run a full time bakery
03:08:41 <Brunius> and charge mort- for the cookies we make
03:11:08 <Avatar> anything on your chronicle sheets acts as an Always Available item
03:12:40 <MekkisScreen> unless a limit is specified
03:13:06 <Avatar> I've stupidly gotten into the habit of ignoring all of those items, including the good ones that have a limit on them
03:13:10 <fued> would a wand with a CL 3 need 3rd level in a caster class to use?
03:13:17 <Mekkis> no
03:13:24 <Mekkis> wands are spell-trigger items
03:13:33 <Mekkis> as long as the spell's on your list, you can use them
03:13:47 <fued> and if its not?
03:13:51 <Mekkis> (even if you can't cast spells yet - ie, a 1st level ranger can use a wand of cure light wounds)
03:13:57 <Mekkis> DC20 UMD check
03:14:21 <Avatar> brunius that is a genius plan
03:14:30 <fued> damn
03:14:40 <Ballig> she would have to get 3 jobs
03:14:41 <Mekkis> what class?
03:14:45 <fued> bard
03:14:52 <Mekkis> CLW is on your list
03:14:55 <fued> magic missle wand
03:15:01 <Mekkis> KEEP AWAY!
03:15:05 <fued> oh yeah i plan to get one of them lol
03:15:16 <Mekkis> magic missile wands are almost as stupid as crossbows
03:15:33 <fued> ive yet to hit with my crossbow
03:15:41 <fued> and i have a -str modifier lol
03:15:43 <Mekkis> why do you have one?
03:15:45 <Avatar> I think magic missile wands are potentially quite good
03:16:01 <Mekkis> they have uses: dealing with mirror images
03:16:04 <Mekkis> for instance
03:16:13 <fued> they cant hit mirror images it says on this thing im reading
03:16:30 <fued> Magic missile targets a creature and does not require an attack roll, so it bypasses all the images and always hits the caster.
03:16:32 <Mekkis> !spell mirror image
03:16:36 <diebot> Mekkis, MIRROR IMAGE illusion (figment[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: personal Duration: 1 min./level Save: SR:
03:16:36 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/mirror_image.html
03:17:07 <Avatar> why wouldn't you just link to pfd20srd.com if you're going to link
03:17:19 <Mekkis> two reasons:
03:17:43 <Mekkis> firstly, d20pfsrd.com doesn't have the actual prd text always.
03:18:33 <Mekkis> secondly, I have the database that has the html code for the spells/items/feats but I don't have the actual links. It's easier to generate the web page and create the link that way.
03:19:33 <Mekkis> I still don't know why people waste money, and more importantly actions, on crossbows
03:20:02 <fued> low level
03:20:09 <Mekkis> acid splash
03:20:17 <fued> not available to bard/oracle
03:20:18 <Ballig> the only time I can condone use of a crossbow is if you don't have longbow/shortbow proficiency and it's strictly a last backup weapon
03:20:28 <Mekkis> there are better things to do with your actions than fruitlessly fire crossbow bolts
03:20:31 <Mekkis> aid another
03:20:43 <Mekkis> guidance
03:21:19 <fued> yeah i might get guidance as a backup
03:22:41 <fued> although it doesnt stack with bardic performance
03:22:50 <fued> on attack rolls
03:23:27 <Mekkis> daze
03:24:15 <Mekkis> Unwitting Ally
03:24:38 <fued> and if it has a massive will rating?
03:24:49 <Mekkis> low level
03:24:54 <Mekkis> they can still roll a 1
03:25:37 <fued> i could also roll a 20 on crossbow for a hit tho
03:25:45 <Mekkis> <jamesd_> How's everyone holding up? It's crazy out there. I've killed like fifteen zombies already. Why are they all carrying candy?
03:26:06 <fued> haha
03:28:58 <Hydrazine> one of them as a big time heroin distributor.
03:29:29 <Brunius> I will start applying for an ABN
03:35:54 <fued> im good at baking cookies
03:36:17 <fued> keeps me from having to clean up the kitchen if i do it once a week usually lol
03:37:15 <Brunius> http://www.radiorivendell.com
03:37:37 <Brunius> I keep going to make brownies, then realising the tray isn't clean, and is under a huge pile of junk
03:37:41 <Brunius> And decided that it's too much work
03:37:45 <Brunius> -d
03:38:18 <fued> yeah i hate not being able to hire someone to do dishes anymore... was the best spend of $50 a week i ever spent when i was working lol
03:39:58 <Mort-> Lol
03:40:27 <Mort-> I would be selling heroin to buy cookies,g
03:40:29 <Mort-> ?
03:40:32 <Mort-> That bad?
03:42:20 <Brunius> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNkD2M_rQlg
03:42:22 <Brunius> Wot
03:45:23 * Mort- waves at brunius
03:45:36 <Brunius> Sup Mort-
03:45:47 <Mort-> Hi hi hi!
03:46:20 * Mort- takes the opportunity to distract bru to search him for cookies
03:46:32 <fued> ugh i have so much candies
03:46:48 <Brunius> eat it all
03:46:53 <fued> i would die
03:47:01 <Brunius> doesn't matter; had candy
03:47:04 <Mort-> Oh yes fued.What were you trying to mix an oracle and a bard for
03:47:25 <fued> to make a character like pops from regular show
03:47:56 <fued> lol nah, theres some nice charisma based bonuses in revelations, also it adds a few more spells to get me through early levels
03:48:56 <Mort-> So eventually you want to be a bard?
03:49:00 <fued> yeah
03:49:05 <fued> only an initial level in oracle
03:49:14 <Mort-> Ah dip
03:49:20 <Mort-> Which curse
03:49:23 <fued> lame
03:49:24 <Mort-> Which revelation
03:49:29 <fued> lore
03:49:44 <Mort-> The one that lets you use cha for ac?
03:50:01 <Mort-> Lame is fine since i don't think ye be front lining
03:50:05 <fued> yeh also gives charisma bonus to knowledge checks... which puts them all pretty high with bardic knowledge
03:50:18 <Mort-> Man that ones nice
03:50:34 <fued> i could have all knoledges over 10 at level 2 i think it was lol
03:50:40 <Mort-> I wish i had a bard but i don't
03:50:43 <Mort-> :p
03:50:48 <Mort-> Or never mind
03:50:58 <fued> its ok, u can team with mine haha
03:51:23 <Mort-> We don't have a channel bard
03:51:47 <Mort-> Eh. I don't even know what i am these days
03:52:09 <Mort-> I have a magus to level
03:52:17 <Mort-> That's a certainty
03:53:42 * Mort- sighs.
03:53:50 <Brunius> Hmm
03:53:53 <Mort-> And i get to spend half my day hiding
03:53:55 <fued> just going to have to play a billion games to play them all
03:53:58 <Brunius> I'm meant to write at most 500 words on this
03:54:05 <Brunius> How many would you think I should write minimum?
03:54:11 <Mort-> Dude I have a grand total of 16 ac
03:54:22 <Mort-> 499 :d
03:54:30 <Brunius> :d
03:55:46 <Mort-> And we are good
03:56:02 <Brunius> 350 it is
03:56:29 <fued> what is it for?
03:56:38 <Brunius> High school economics
03:56:43 <fued> some expect more than 500 even tho they set 500 max
03:57:00 <fued> I usually go within 10% of it either way
03:57:25 <Brunius> I usually aim for 10%, but there's not much I can expand on with this
03:57:43 <fued> reference additional sources to back your claims up?
04:05:21 <Brunius> source server/channel? this sounds interesting
04:20:41 <Avatar> tf2 related
05:39:03 <Steven> balls
05:41:45 <Ballig> yes?
05:42:14 <Steven> lol....
05:42:19 <Steven> i said balls not ballig
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05:53:43 <spider21b> hi
05:57:19 <Brunius> sup
06:47:39 <Mekkis> Ballig: can you find me a place in canberra?
06:55:27 <fued> !feat awesome blow
06:59:57 <Mort-> You're not a monster.
07:00:03 <Mort-> its not allowed
07:00:06 <fued> theres a way to get it
07:00:15 <fued> with a monk prc
07:00:15 <Mort-> Gm permission?
07:00:27 <Mort-> 3.5 or pfs
07:00:30 <fued> pfs
07:00:40 <fued> brother of the seal
07:00:41 <Mort-> That i don't know about
07:00:50 <fued> im just wondering
07:00:54 <fued> if you are a zen archer
07:00:59 <Mort-> Which surprises me since I'm supposed to know everything!
07:01:00 <fued> can you apply it on arrows? lol
07:01:14 <Mort-> You can apply your unarmed damage on arrow
07:01:27 <Mort-> But not the damage reduction bypass
07:01:52 <fued> can you apply awesome blow? it does say you can use it in flurry of blows, which zen archer gets with a bow
07:02:11 <Mort-> Which prc gives awesome blow
07:02:16 <fued> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/brother-of-the-seal
07:02:18 <Mort-> I think it is a high level ability
07:02:27 <fued> level 4, 8 for flurry tho
07:03:39 <Mort-> Ki Focus Bow (Su)
07:06:26 <fued> doesnt that just allow quivering palm/ki strike?
07:06:29 <Mort-> Doesn't say how you use it but you can't use cmbs at range
07:06:37 <Mort-> Generally
07:08:26 <Mort-> Yes for that weapon focus thing
07:08:34 <Mort-> But pfs generally ends at 12
07:08:59 <fued> i meant if you had a zenarcher4/brother of seal4
07:09:09 <Mort-> I think i would say you need to be within melee range of that creature
07:09:17 <Mort-> Before you do that kind of stuff
07:09:55 <Mort-> Because combat maneuvers cannot be carried out at range except for a few specific instances
07:10:18 <Mort-> If you choose to punch him with your fist by all means sure
07:10:46 <Mort-> Also remember zen archers lose maneuver training
07:11:06 <Mort-> If you want to do it with a bow 100 ft away i say nope
07:12:47 <Mort-> Anyway one of my buddies just helped me work out a build on a flying zen archer.
07:12:49 <Mort-> Her
07:12:52 <Mort-> Hepg
07:12:54 <fued> zen archer is sort of about turning your arrows into your fists tho, so really its like you are punching them
07:12:56 <Mort-> Heh
07:12:59 <Mort-> No
07:13:13 <Mort-> You cannot perform combat maneuvers at range
07:13:58 <Mort-> Only unless you're a fighter(archer archtype) then you take penalties to cmb and you can do it
07:14:25 <Mort-> And only on those archer tricks that you learnt
07:17:44 <fued> i want to try and aim for an arcane archer for my next character, was wondering if going for those points in zen archer would be worth it over archer(fighter) or ranger
07:17:54 <fued> or even just levels in magus
07:19:13 <Mort-> I also wanted to do arcane archer :p
07:19:37 <Mort-> My friends template can be adjusted for arcane archer though i think
07:20:05 <Mort-> But not a good idea to mix a zen archer and arcane archer i think
07:20:46 <Mort-> Possibly a mymridach or a bard could possibly work
07:21:05 <Mort-> Heh i lost to that big meow
07:21:15 <Mort-> But i think he really did an awesome job
07:21:19 <fued> big meow?
07:21:28 <Mort-> One of my friends out there
07:21:36 <Mort-> He is a big ginger cat
07:21:45 <Mort-> I'm a small black and white kitten
07:21:58 <Mort-> He knows monkfu better then i know fighterfu
07:22:21 <Mort-> We were like. Challenge. Get an archer who can fly permanently by level 5
07:22:43 <fued> lol sounds fun
07:22:49 <Mort-> Must be able to fit into dungeons. Aka no medium races
07:22:55 <Mort-> We both ended up flying
07:23:05 <Mort-> But he did the archery better then me
07:23:45 <fued> i have no idea how to even get flying lol
07:23:56 <Mort-> Haha.
07:24:04 <Mort-> Its possible. Certainly possible
07:24:13 <fued> without items i assume?
07:24:26 <Mort-> Oh we aren't using items
07:24:29 <Mort-> Just feats :)
07:24:47 <fued> using mounts?
07:24:56 <Mort-> Yep
07:25:02 <Mort-> We both ride flying mounts
07:25:13 <Mort-> That's why small race required
07:25:21 <fued> ah that makes more sense lol
07:25:34 <Mort-> Though i wonder how we can do our handle animal checks if it came to a fight :p
07:25:43 <Mort-> Dc 20 if not combat trained
07:25:59 <fued> LOL u both fly in and fall off mid fight
07:25:59 <Mort-> Heh. But we have several levels to train m8 mount
07:26:00 <Mort-> Our
07:26:06 <Mort-> No we won't fall
07:26:23 <Mort-> From 3 we need to start training
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07:26:30 <Mort-> At 5 we ride them
07:26:56 <Mort-> Again this is all theory
07:27:01 <fued> if you allowed strix it could be easy lol
07:27:01 <Mort-> Ok gaming will log off
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11:38:11 <fued> hey
12:27:08 <Mort-> Werking
12:39:26 <fued> yeah i guess i should
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12:53:22 <Steven> sup sup sup sup suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
12:53:28 <Steven> happy halloween everybody
12:55:30 <fued> hey
12:56:13 <Steven> hey fued
12:58:51 <fued> so, know anything about synthesists?
13:02:33 <Hydrazine> Shouldn't talk about those illegals around here.
13:02:57 <Steven> none of the gms here like synthesists
13:03:17 <Steven> .except mekkis, i think he has one
13:03:27 <fued> too many ambiguities in the rules?
13:03:35 <Hydrazine> They got banned from Society.
13:03:52 <Hydrazine> And alot of the locals here rejoiced.
13:04:02 <Hydrazine> I've never really seen a Synth in game, so I don't really get it.
13:04:06 <Hydrazine> But apparently its a big deal.
13:04:07 <fued> well damn that rules out my flying monk plan lol
13:04:45 <Steven> not all of the synths archtypes were banned
13:04:52 <Steven> isnt the base one still legal?
13:04:57 <Hydrazine> Not all the SUMMONER archetypes were banned.
13:05:09 <Steven> yeah summoner thats what its called
13:05:10 <Hydrazine> synthesists were.
13:05:16 <Steven> yeah the basic summoner is still legal
13:06:54 <Steven> and the reason a lot of people hate summoners, is because they get a lot of value out of one stat
13:07:18 <Hydrazine> Which stat is that and how so?
13:07:33 <fued> the summons stats are used for str/dex/con
13:07:37 <fued> so u can pump the other 3
13:07:43 <fued> and have all 6 stats really high
13:07:58 <Steven> that was for synthesists
13:08:02 <Hydrazine> Thats the thing with synthesists, yes. I'm asking Steven about summoners in general.
13:09:00 <Steven> back sorry, grandma asked a question
13:09:15 <Steven> charisma, its the casting stat
13:09:43 <Hydrazine> Do they get notably more out of it than fighters get from str, wizards and int>
13:09:52 <fued> no
13:10:04 <fued> but they get high str/dex/con, and a whole heap of natural attacks as well
13:10:08 <Steven> and it can stay far away from combat while still doing rediculous damage from eidolon
13:10:35 <fued> i dunno to me it looks like one of the weaker summoner variants
13:10:37 <Steven> the hate summoners get isnt as bad as synthesists, i still dont like them though
13:10:39 <fued> more for multiclassing lol
13:10:54 <Hydrazine> Does the Eid do much more than a well built druid AC?
13:10:56 <Steven> full synthesists were rediculously easy to break
13:11:08 <fued> summoner is pretty equal to druid from what i read
13:11:16 <fued> slightly worse at some levels, slightly better at others
13:11:22 <Steven> yeah, the eidolon can outdamage a companion quite easily
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13:12:06 <Sn0uu> Someone just told me that rat milk is better than goat milk
13:12:21 <Steven> ever had rat milk?
13:13:23 <Hydrazine> I dunno Fued, I think full synths got banned mostly because of how much more they can get out of a 20 point buy than... everyone else.
13:13:46 <Hydrazine> And if you don't think that makes a difference, lets see you play something with straight 10s.
13:14:46 <Steven> yeah my friend Melissa(walters girlfriend) she had a synthesist, was overpowered to no ends
13:14:51 <fued> in a lot of situations a plain summoner can be better tho
13:15:01 <fued> you can send ur eidolen in to do huge damage WHILE casting spells
13:16:08 <Hydrazine> Thinking about overall survival instead of crushing a fight in 2 rounds or 1...
13:16:32 <fued> you can still dump str/dex if you plan on being a backliner cant u?
13:16:36 <Hydrazine> And the synth's superior personal stats is pretty hard to beat. Great saves, tons of HP, high AC, good melee, good face skills, spellcasting..
13:16:42 <fued> yeah
13:16:58 <fued> makes you a really strong 1 character rather than 2 rather strong characters lol
13:17:28 <Hydrazine> Well, consider it 1.5.
13:17:32 <Steven> built right it makes 1 neigh unkillable character vs two strong characters
13:17:39 <Hydrazine> The Eid doesn't work without the summoner up. Kill the summoner and they both go down.
13:17:54 <Hydrazine> So the summoner's weaknesses ARE the Eid's weaknesses too.
13:19:13 <Steven> Melissa's synth, 3rd level ~80hp did ~50 damage a round ac ~25
13:21:11 <Hydrazine> My level 3 monk has 27 HP, 19 AC, and doesn't really do damage.
13:24:55 <Steven> anybody wanna do a scrimmage?
13:25:03 <fued> yes
13:25:04 <fued> whats that
13:25:51 <Steven> well, whoever is gonna run it goes and finds a creature with a CR equal to the characters who want to fight it.
13:26:41 <Steven> who was it that fought that dire chrocodile
13:27:02 <fued> aw my character is horrible at fighting haha
13:27:41 <Steven> well this would help you figure out how to make it better
13:27:49 <fued> its more a buff/healer
13:27:56 <fued> needs a group
13:28:06 <Steven> ah you mean your honey clone
13:28:13 <fued> yeah lol
13:28:28 <Hydrazine> It was Mek and kapow vs the croc.
13:28:58 <Steven> was a good fight till they had problems hitting it the last round
13:29:11 <Hydrazine> mek had alot of problems hitting it.
13:31:12 <fued> lol
13:31:14 <fued> sounds fun
13:31:37 <Steven> maybe i could run the sewers of absolom or whatever its called
13:31:41 <Steven> the quest.
13:32:28 <Steven> ambush in absolom
13:36:25 <Sn0uu> I wanna do scrimmages
13:37:12 <Sn0uu> Hey Hydra
13:37:17 <Sn0uu> you wanna DM a campain?
13:38:44 <Sn0uu> I have 6 players, one who prefers 3.5 the others don't care
13:39:30 <Sn0uu> well, 5 players and a maybe
13:39:37 <Sn0uu> 3 of them are new
13:39:47 <Mort-> For some insane shit with syns you do a 2 level pally dip
13:39:56 <Mort-> So your saves go up the roof
13:39:56 <Sn0uu> Does anyone else wanna DM a game?
13:40:05 <Mekkis> I want time to GM a game
13:40:15 <Mort-> And with eid on you have evasion
13:40:34 <Mort-> So people could be throwing fire balls at you while you duck and grin
13:40:37 <fued> i gotta go do the dishes argh
13:40:39 <fued> my only weakness
13:42:03 <Sn0uu> mmmm evasion
13:42:15 <Sn0uu> lol
13:43:23 <Steven> mekkis you mean online or at a table?
13:43:52 <Sn0uu> Steve, would you be up to DM a game for meh?
13:44:12 <Mort-> He's on and off busy with local store
13:44:29 <Sn0uu> anyone use roll20?
13:44:33 <Sn0uu> if so, anyone like it?
13:44:57 <fued> yeah its not bad
13:45:01 <fued> the voice chat dies a lot tho
13:45:07 <fued> so usually people use tinychat with it
13:46:05 <fued> DM needs to set things up properly, otherwise things dont align properly either
13:50:09 <Steven> alright, that maps got all set up.
13:54:12 <Steven> so wait.... why you looking for somebody to gm a game snouu?
13:55:03 <Steven> step up and gm son!
14:01:02 <Sn0uu> I would
14:01:12 <Sn0uu> if I've ever played a game to the end
14:01:15 <Sn0uu> or past level 3
14:01:34 <Sn0uu> well... maybe lol
14:01:43 <Sn0uu> would you guys help me DM if I tried?
14:03:15 <Steven> nope, im going to throw you in the deep end of the pool and laugh while you flounder
14:03:52 <Sn0uu> then im not doing it with mah 'crew'
14:04:07 <Sn0uu> heh, might be fun if I tried to DM a game for you guys lol
14:04:17 <Steven> thats the spirit!
14:06:05 <Sn0uu> you are in a forst
14:06:06 <Sn0uu> what now?!??!
14:06:12 <Sn0uu> forest*
14:06:25 * Steven takes out a chainsaw...
14:06:34 * Steven starts cutting down trees.
14:07:26 <Sn0uu> they attack you
14:07:46 <Sn0uu> you faint
14:07:53 <Sn0uu> noone is around to hear you die.
14:07:55 <Sn0uu> the end.
14:08:06 * fued consumes corpse
14:08:45 <Steven> im pretty sure i wouldnt faint... im not mort.
14:09:27 <Sn0uu> well
14:09:36 <Sn0uu> you didn't really make a character...
14:09:37 <Sn0uu> soooo
14:09:51 <Sn0uu> heh
14:09:54 <Sn0uu> that was fun
14:09:56 <Sn0uu> but I gtg to bed
14:10:18 <Sn0uu> and really would like it if I could get one of you vets to help me get a game started. If you agree to DM, obviouslly ur rules
14:10:28 <Sn0uu> I'll hopefully be online most of the day tomorrow
14:10:29 <Sn0uu> night
14:10:53 <fued> cya
14:14:53 <fued> i have no idea what to spend my gold on for my oracle/bard
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14:17:20 <fued> if your mount has concealment, do you appear to be floating in the air, or are you concealed? lol
14:35:13 <fued> a blood god disciple can gain an evolution point from eating a creature, does that mean it can use that on the evolution "mount" letting any halfling/gnome ride the half-orc into battle? ahhaha
14:35:41 <fued> aw only available to quadrapeds
15:23:57 <Mort-> You're not concealed.
15:24:05 <Mort-> And aquatic
15:24:17 <Mort-> Yes as a summoner you can ride your eid
15:24:41 <Mort-> Fued. First 2 pa get wand of clw
15:24:55 <Mort-> Next. Buy me cookies with your spare gp
15:27:34 <Mort-> Mr fued.
15:27:38 <Mort-> paizo.com/threads/rzs2lf1m?Painlords-What-to-Expect-at-a-PFS-Table#15
15:27:43 <Mort-> Go read.
15:30:37 <Mort-> www.ontariopathfinders.com/?p=688
15:30:40 <Mort-> More stuff
15:54:00 <spider21b> hi
15:57:37 <Brunius> sup
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17:02:48 <fued> oh cool, i can buy anything from my chronicle sheets at any time?
17:10:51 <Avatar> anything on your chronicle sheets acts as an Always Available item
17:12:22 <MekkisScreen> unless a limit is specified
17:12:49 <Avatar> I've stupidly gotten into the habit of ignoring all of those items, including the good ones that have a limit on them
17:12:53 <fued> would a wand with a CL 3 need 3rd level in a caster class to use?
17:12:59 <Mekkis> no
17:13:07 <Mekkis> wands are spell-trigger items
17:13:16 <Mekkis> as long as the spell's on your list, you can use them
17:13:30 <fued> and if its not?
17:13:34 <Mekkis> (even if you can't cast spells yet - ie, a 1st level ranger can use a wand of cure light wounds)
17:13:39 <Mekkis> DC20 UMD check
17:14:12 <fued> damn
17:14:24 <Mekkis> what class?
17:14:28 <fued> bard
17:14:34 <Mekkis> CLW is on your list
17:14:38 <fued> magic missle wand
17:14:44 <Mekkis> KEEP AWAY!
17:14:48 <fued> oh yeah i plan to get one of them lol
17:14:58 <Mekkis> magic missile wands are almost as stupid as crossbows
17:15:16 <fued> ive yet to hit with my crossbow
17:15:24 <fued> and i have a -str modifier lol
17:15:25 <Mekkis> why do you have one?
17:15:28 <Avatar> I think magic missile wands are potentially quite good
17:15:44 <Mekkis> they have uses: dealing with mirror images
17:15:46 <Mekkis> for instance
17:15:56 <fued> they cant hit mirror images it says on this thing im reading
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17:16:13 <fued> Magic missile targets a creature and does not require an attack roll, so it bypasses all the images and always hits the caster.
17:16:14 <Mekkis> !spell mirror image
17:16:19 <diebot> Mekkis, MIRROR IMAGE illusion (figment[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: personal Duration: 1 min./level Save: SR:
17:16:19 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/mirror_image.html
17:16:50 <Avatar> why wouldn't you just link to pfd20srd.com if you're going to link
17:17:02 <Mekkis> two reasons:
17:17:25 <Mekkis> firstly, d20pfsrd.com doesn't have the actual prd text always.
17:18:16 <Mekkis> secondly, I have the database that has the html code for the spells/items/feats but I don't have the actual links. It's easier to generate the web page and create the link that way.
17:19:16 <Mekkis> I still don't know why people waste money, and more importantly actions, on crossbows
17:19:44 <fued> low level
17:19:51 <Mekkis> acid splash
17:19:59 <fued> not available to bard/oracle
17:20:01 <Ballig> the only time I can condone use of a crossbow is if you don't have longbow/shortbow proficiency and it's strictly a last backup weapon
17:20:11 <Mekkis> there are better things to do with your actions than fruitlessly fire crossbow bolts
17:20:13 <Mekkis> aid another
17:20:25 <Mekkis> guidance
17:21:02 <fued> yeah i might get guidance as a backup
17:22:24 <fued> although it doesnt stack with bardic performance
17:22:33 <fued> on attack rolls
17:23:09 <Mekkis> daze
17:23:57 <Mekkis> Unwitting Ally
17:24:21 <fued> and if it has a massive will rating?
17:24:32 <Mekkis> low level
17:24:37 <Mekkis> they can still roll a 1
17:25:19 <fued> i could also roll a 20 on crossbow for a hit tho
17:25:27 <Mekkis> <jamesd_> How's everyone holding up? It's crazy out there. I've killed like fifteen zombies already. Why are they all carrying candy?
17:25:49 <fued> haha
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19:38:46 <Steven> balls
19:41:28 <Ballig> yes?
19:41:57 <Steven> lol....
19:42:02 <Steven> i said balls not ballig
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20:47:21 <Mekkis> Ballig: can you find me a place in canberra?
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21:38:29 <fued> hey
21:39:12 boris is now known as pog
21:44:04 <Mekkis> Wow
21:44:36 <Mekkis> Brock Ruled that gems created by a Rod of Wonder get added to your character's inventory!
21:45:37 <Mort-> You get endless money
21:45:49 <Mort-> Dude you can play with your silly stick all day
21:45:55 <Mekkis> he also said not to cheese or abuse it
21:47:49 <Avatar> Mekkis: link?
21:48:27 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2omtl?PFSOP-regarding-items-that-create-other-items
21:48:35 <Mort-> People cannot be trusted not to abuse things
21:48:42 * Mort- is a bitter mur
21:48:51 <Mekkis> Mort- cannot be trusted not to abuse things
21:49:18 <Mort-> I'm not abusing things
21:49:33 <Mort-> I haven't come to a table with a heavens oracle and awesome display yet
21:49:36 <Mekkis> !define cheese :http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2omtl?PFSOP-regarding-items-that-create-other-items#7
21:49:44 <Mekkis> !define cheese: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2omtl?PFSOP-regarding-items-that-create-other-items#7
21:49:45 <diebot> Mekkis, http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2omtl?PFSOP-regarding-items-that-create-other-items#7 defined as ??cheese
21:50:04 * Mort- looks at mek and sighs
21:50:47 <Mort-> If you 2 level dirge bard dip you can colour spray undead?
21:51:34 <Avatar> is colour spray not powerful enough for you mort
21:51:58 <Mort-> That's why i said i don't abuse all things
21:52:06 <Mort-> I won't be a heavens oracle in pfs
21:52:21 <Mekkis> until Mort- finds out how to kill a dragon in one shot with Prestidigitation, nothing will be powerful enough....
21:52:22 <Mekkis> :)
21:52:24 <Mekkis> :P
21:52:31 * Mekkis pats the Mort-
21:52:46 <Mort-> Of course you wouldn't teach me :(
21:52:55 <Mekkis> of course not
21:52:57 * Mort- is a sulky mur.
21:53:02 <Mort-> Why :(
21:53:13 <Mekkis> mainly because I don't know how to kill a dragon in one shot with Prestidigitation
21:53:24 <Mort-> You're like shoo mort shoo
21:53:25 <Mort-> Ok
21:53:34 <Mekkis> but I'm sure it's possible
21:53:41 <Mort-> Oh one more reason against heavens oracle
21:54:03 <Mort-> - the most powerful version is by a gnome
21:54:13 <Mort-> Because of the +1 dc to illusion spells
21:54:24 <Mort-> So no effin way
21:54:41 <Mekkis> I am still considering making Nightmare a heavens oracle
21:54:53 <Mekkis> but I'm more likely to choose tattooed sorcerer
21:54:56 <Mort-> I think that's cheese
21:55:03 <Mort-> But never mind.
21:55:17 <Mort-> I'm just a mope mur now
21:55:21 <Mort-> I mean I'm helpful.
21:55:25 <Mekkis> after all, I bought Magic of Golarion, so I may as well use it
21:55:31 <Mort-> I will teach people stuff
21:55:55 <Mort-> But people call me a cheese monkey and don't teach me stuff(except how not to cheese)
21:56:35 <Mekkis> considered the possibility that they might be right?
22:27:26 <Mort-> Werking
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22:39:43 <fued> yeah i guess i should
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22:53:40 <Steven> sup sup sup sup suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
22:53:45 <Steven> happy halloween everybody
22:55:47 <fued> hey
22:56:30 <Steven> hey fued
22:59:09 <fued> so, know anything about synthesists?
23:02:50 <Hydrazine> Shouldn't talk about those illegals around here.
23:03:14 <Steven> none of the gms here like synthesists
23:03:35 <Steven> .except mekkis, i think he has one
23:03:43 <fued> too many ambiguities in the rules?
23:03:52 <Hydrazine> They got banned from Society.
23:04:09 <Hydrazine> And alot of the locals here rejoiced.
23:04:19 <Hydrazine> I've never really seen a Synth in game, so I don't really get it.
23:04:23 <Hydrazine> But apparently its a big deal.
23:04:24 <fued> well damn that rules out my flying monk plan lol
23:05:02 <Steven> not all of the synths archtypes were banned
23:05:09 <Steven> isnt the base one still legal?
23:05:14 <Hydrazine> Not all the SUMMONER archetypes were banned.
23:05:27 <Steven> yeah summoner thats what its called
23:05:27 <Hydrazine> synthesists were.
23:05:33 <Steven> yeah the basic summoner is still legal
23:07:11 <Steven> and the reason a lot of people hate summoners, is because they get a lot of value out of one stat
23:07:35 <Hydrazine> Which stat is that and how so?
23:07:50 <fued> the summons stats are used for str/dex/con
23:07:55 <fued> so u can pump the other 3
23:08:00 <fued> and have all 6 stats really high
23:08:15 <Steven> that was for synthesists
23:08:20 <Hydrazine> Thats the thing with synthesists, yes. I'm asking Steven about summoners in general.
23:09:17 <Steven> back sorry, grandma asked a question
23:09:33 <Steven> charisma, its the casting stat
23:10:01 <Hydrazine> Do they get notably more out of it than fighters get from str, wizards and int>
23:10:09 <fued> no
23:10:22 <fued> but they get high str/dex/con, and a whole heap of natural attacks as well
23:10:25 <Steven> and it can stay far away from combat while still doing rediculous damage from eidolon
23:10:53 <fued> i dunno to me it looks like one of the weaker summoner variants
23:10:54 <Steven> the hate summoners get isnt as bad as synthesists, i still dont like them though
23:10:57 <fued> more for multiclassing lol
23:11:12 <Hydrazine> Does the Eid do much more than a well built druid AC?
23:11:13 <Steven> full synthesists were rediculously easy to break
23:11:26 <fued> summoner is pretty equal to druid from what i read
23:11:34 <fued> slightly worse at some levels, slightly better at others
23:11:39 <Steven> yeah, the eidolon can outdamage a companion quite easily
23:12:24 <Sn0uu> Someone just told me that rat milk is better than goat milk
23:12:38 <Steven> ever had rat milk?
23:13:41 <Hydrazine> I dunno Fued, I think full synths got banned mostly because of how much more they can get out of a 20 point buy than... everyone else.
23:14:03 <Hydrazine> And if you don't think that makes a difference, lets see you play something with straight 10s.
23:15:04 <Steven> yeah my friend Melissa(walters girlfriend) she had a synthesist, was overpowered to no ends
23:15:08 <fued> in a lot of situations a plain summoner can be better tho
23:15:18 <fued> you can send ur eidolen in to do huge damage WHILE casting spells
23:16:25 <Hydrazine> Thinking about overall survival instead of crushing a fight in 2 rounds or 1...
23:16:50 <fued> you can still dump str/dex if you plan on being a backliner cant u?
23:16:53 <Hydrazine> And the synth's superior personal stats is pretty hard to beat. Great saves, tons of HP, high AC, good melee, good face skills, spellcasting..
23:16:59 <fued> yeah
23:17:16 <fued> makes you a really strong 1 character rather than 2 rather strong characters lol
23:17:45 <Hydrazine> Well, consider it 1.5.
23:17:49 <Steven> built right it makes 1 neigh unkillable character vs two strong characters
23:17:56 <Hydrazine> The Eid doesn't work without the summoner up. Kill the summoner and they both go down.
23:18:11 <Hydrazine> So the summoner's weaknesses ARE the Eid's weaknesses too.
23:19:31 <Steven> Melissa's synth, 3rd level ~80hp did ~50 damage a round ac ~25
23:21:28 <Hydrazine> My level 3 monk has 27 HP, 19 AC, and doesn't really do damage.
23:25:12 <Steven> anybody wanna do a scrimmage?
23:25:20 <fued> yes
23:25:21 <fued> whats that
23:26:08 <Steven> well, whoever is gonna run it goes and finds a creature with a CR equal to the characters who want to fight it.
23:26:58 <Steven> who was it that fought that dire chrocodile
23:27:19 <fued> aw my character is horrible at fighting haha
23:27:59 <Steven> well this would help you figure out how to make it better
23:28:06 <fued> its more a buff/healer
23:28:13 <fued> needs a group
23:28:23 <Steven> ah you mean your honey clone
23:28:30 <fued> yeah lol
23:28:46 <Hydrazine> It was Mek and kapow vs the croc.
23:29:16 <Steven> was a good fight till they had problems hitting it the last round
23:29:28 <Hydrazine> mek had alot of problems hitting it.
23:31:29 <fued> lol
23:31:31 <fued> sounds fun
23:31:54 <Steven> maybe i could run the sewers of absolom or whatever its called
23:31:58 <Steven> the quest.
23:32:46 <Steven> ambush in absolom
23:36:42 <Sn0uu> I wanna do scrimmages
23:37:29 <Sn0uu> Hey Hydra
23:37:34 <Sn0uu> you wanna DM a campain?
23:39:01 <Sn0uu> I have 6 players, one who prefers 3.5 the others don't care
23:39:47 <Sn0uu> well, 5 players and a maybe
23:39:54 <Sn0uu> 3 of them are new
23:40:04 <Mort-> For some insane shit with syns you do a 2 level pally dip
23:40:13 <Mort-> So your saves go up the roof
23:40:14 <Sn0uu> Does anyone else wanna DM a game?
23:40:23 <Mekkis> I want time to GM a game
23:40:32 <Mort-> And with eid on you have evasion
23:40:51 <Mort-> So people could be throwing fire balls at you while you duck and grin
23:40:54 <fued> i gotta go do the dishes argh
23:40:57 <fued> my only weakness
23:42:20 <Sn0uu> mmmm evasion
23:42:33 <Sn0uu> lol
23:43:41 <Steven> mekkis you mean online or at a table?
23:44:09 <Sn0uu> Steve, would you be up to DM a game for meh?
23:44:29 <Mort-> He's on and off busy with local store
23:44:46 <Sn0uu> anyone use roll20?
23:44:50 <Sn0uu> if so, anyone like it?
23:45:14 <fued> yeah its not bad
23:45:18 <fued> the voice chat dies a lot tho
23:45:24 <fued> so usually people use tinychat with it
23:46:22 <fued> DM needs to set things up properly, otherwise things dont align properly either
23:50:27 <Steven> alright, that maps got all set up.
23:54:29 <Steven> so wait.... why you looking for somebody to gm a game snouu?
23:55:20 <Steven> step up and gm son!
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