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14:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Stock Image FAILS: I'm pretty sure you need a K type thermocouple to measure temperature. Certified FAIL. https://t.co/mJJjVZV4gO
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18:11 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, K, it's your type of thermocouple!
53:01 <K> pfft
57:44 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.noisli.com that is a rather nice thing to keep the noise from the open bureau from distracting you
04:03 <hsn93> does (non https) means its not safe? !!!
18:49 <rust_collector> hey-o people
18:55 <Ysjoelfir> hey rusty
19:43 <rust_collector> I would suggest a pair of emd diesels in your bureau...
23:02 <hsn93> hey rusty
23:20 <rust_collector> hey. what is happening today?
28:12 <Ysjoelfir> that would be nice!
28:30 <Ysjoelfir> happening... not much. writing on the bachelors thesis, managing schedules....
28:39 <Ysjoelfir> arranged a visit of a house for thursday
30:00 <rust_collector> I went to work early, as usual on mondays. but then I went home late too, lol
32:05 <Ysjoelfir> since you are already home I wonder what is late and early for you
32:34 <rust_collector> good point
33:34 <rust_collector> I think I was there around 3, and went home around 14.30 or so
34:36 <Ysjoelfir> well, ok, that IS early
34:52 <Ysjoelfir> but I guess it's pretty normal for your job to start way early in the morning
38:19 <rust_collector> yeah, my late shift starts at 8
44:42 <Ysjoelfir> that is when my usual shift starts^^
46:47 <rust_collector> I did almost only evenings and nights for a few years. I am not sure what is best, but...
47:38 <Ysjoelfir> i can't decide what I like more... coming early - early home. coming late - get more sleep and the wife isn't annoying me all to much ;-P
52:42 <hsn93> huh, i just discovered SSL certificate offered for free... i just bought one few days ago :)
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59:07 <Lemon> hello peeps !
59:38 <rust_collector> peep peep
10:43 <Ysjoelfir> leaving work now. lager guys
10:47 <Ysjoelfir> and hi Orange :)
11:05 <rust_collector> lager to you too
11:28 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
16:26 <Lemon> I was looking for a place to discuss about our beloved test equipement gear !
18:40 <rust_collector> I bet someone has that on bookface...
19:55 <rust_collector> I don't know anything about test gear, or I could discuss them with you. I just like them blinking and showing weird curves on the little screen
19:57 <Lemon> well I must say I dont really like facebook at all, but I might simply end up using the forum I think
20:08 <Lemon> thats a start !
20:18 <Lemon> I don't know much either, I'm fairly new in that game
20:57 <rust_collector> There are some nerds here, but with the timezones, and nerdiness, you never know when they will appear
21:42 <Lemon> yeah I see
26:12 <rust_collector> what kind of stuff would you be interested in testing?
27:25 <Lemon> ho well, i'm building myself a little electronic lab, to learn about the basics, and see what's going on ! I currently got an analog scope, a dmm, a variable power supply, and I'm currently looking for a waveform generator
28:35 <Lemon> and I'm starting to really love those old piece of gear :>
28:37 <rust_collector> what sort of electronics are you most interested in? radio, audio, power stuff, blinking a led?
30:01 <rust_collector> the old stuff tends to look much better, imo. not just a molded plastic thing, with an lcd and some buttons
30:05 <Lemon> ho I'd say pretty much anything picks my interest, I'm trying to master basic things, understand them perfectly so I can go on more and more complicated things
30:16 <Lemon> they were build like a tank !
30:42 <Lemon> the plastic on most of them is sturdier than current metal lol
37:31 <K> do you have a project in mind?
39:07 <Lemon> theres a couple things I want to build, a resistor decade box, and why not a capacitor/inductor one too, I'd also like to try making a voltage standard, probably a 5v one
39:45 <Lemon> ho and a simple curve tracer circuit, to use with the XY mode of my scope, to test components !
40:27 <K> sounds analog-y
40:33 <K> how about lcr meter of sorts?
41:10 <Lemon> I plan to buy one thats actually quite decent for its price (50 euros), it tests various things, capacitance, inductance, esr, etc
41:27 <Lemon> I do have one of those cheapo component tester, well thats handy for some stuff but its not really accurate
41:44 <Lemon> I built the capacitor leakage tester from mr carlson, pretty neat little thing
42:40 <hsn93> totally analog-y, lemon nickname reminded me of lemon batteries vids https://youtu.be/a1D-fZP8qJk
43:19 <Lemon> heh aint them the best ? :>
49:36 <Lemon> btw, my background is the following : im 26 y/o, my father was a computer/electronics engeenering, self taught, who worked for a lot of famous compagnies, for about 35-40 years
50:13 <Lemon> I've been swimming in this environnement since I'm born, always in front of a screen, tinkering with various things
50:25 <Lemon> he passed away on may, this last year
50:57 <K> sad to hear that
51:02 <Lemon> and I'm myself going thought a tough period of 'what should I do with my damned life ?' so I thought, why not do what I like to ?
51:20 <Lemon> and learn electronics, but correctly this time, and with some chance making it my work
51:23 <Lemon> thanks buddy
51:50 <Lemon> that was kinda unexpected, he was in good shape, and suddently bam lung+brain cancer
52:10 <Lemon> gladly it lasted less than two months, so he didn't suffered long, he was with us the whole time
55:30 <hsn93> my condolences
56:51 <Lemon> thanks ! so here I am, using the free time I currently have as my current job contract ended, to do something better than slacking all day in front of video games
57:00 <Lemon> I must say I don't even want to play games anymore, somehow
57:30 <hsn93> trust me u ll mess them again at somepoint :->
00:47 <Lemon> ho for sure !
01:11 <Lemon> usually, I tend to focus on something for a few months, then go on another, etc
01:23 <Lemon> video games, various collections, activities, etc
01:46 <Lemon> but some tend to last, like electronics, tinkering my workstation, etc
03:44 <hsn93> the thing that last is a passion
03:46 <hsn93> i guess
03:54 <hsn93> i've to go ,, cya
04:07 <Lemon> I think so ! catch you later !
05:49 <coppice_> hsn93: we used to demo ULP MCUs by running them from a couple of grapes. lemons are real high powered stuff :)
12:24 <Lemon> we aint no joke ! :>
29:19 <rust_collector> Lemon, would you move to india?
32:20 <Lemon> thats not really on my plans :>
34:35 <rust_collector> no, but do you have anything against it, say if you were offered a nice job, or whatever...
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38:36 <Lemon> well honestly if I were to go to another country, that would be in an english speaking one I think, to practice a bit, and because I do like England for example :>
39:30 <rust_collector> Ok, I will write that down as a "probably not"
39:36 <rust_collector> do you like cats?
42:25 <Lemon> I own 18 :> well 17 right now, one is missng :/
42:53 <rust_collector> is it missing because you like cats, or....
43:16 <Lemon> its been like 4 days he hasn't come home
44:08 <rust_collector> hmm, cats can be weird like that. we can just hope he is ok
45:09 <Lemon> I hope so even if I'm not too optimistic sadly, I live in a small village, when cats disappear like that it's usually because someone killed it/took it
47:08 <rust_collector> I had a cat in the garage for some days....
47:18 <Lemon> I just hope he wandered somewhere and ended in a good house
56:45 <K> what for do you need 17 cats?
57:00 <Lemon> drinking their blood ofc !
57:15 <rust_collector> hah, cats don't have blood
57:57 <Lemon> nah in fact, its at my mothers house, we started with a few cats, a few of them got kids, we gave some away but had to kept a lot, sterilized as much of them as we can (it cost up to 90 euros per cat) but we ended with a lot :>
58:05 <K> no i mean, how does one arrive in "17 cats" situation
58:09 <K> are you running a shelter?
58:19 <K> ah.
58:34 <Lemon> ho it grows up quickly ! I think in 6 months we got like 10 kittens :>
58:54 <Lemon> theres about a maximum of 10 that goes into the house, the rest stays around
59:26 <rust_collector> number 8, it is not your day to be inside...
00:05 <Lemon> haha :> no actually its always the same, some simply don't feel like going inside
00:10 <Lemon> but trust me its some serious work
00:26 <rust_collector> I would just be happy there are not horses
00:28 <Lemon> everyday I have 4 places to clean
00:34 <Lemon> yeah true lol
00:43 <Lemon> we do have a big doggo too !
01:36 <Lemon> he's 14 years old, going strong :>
01:48 <rust_collector> what kind is that?
02:08 <Lemon> he was kinda hitting low some months ago, but we got him on a diet and he's doing better now
02:23 <Lemon> hmm its a kind of labrador mixed with a 'terre neuve' I dont know the english name
02:27 <Lemon> those are big tall dogs
02:34 <Lemon> ours is more like a labrador honestly
02:48 <rust_collector> ok.
03:37 <rust_collector> hmm, is the other one a kind of terrier, maybe?
04:17 <Lemon> https://imgproxy.geocaching.com/b67a8afc53a5a0e1b6280f1036359a6e36ab21fb?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.racedechien.fr%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2FTerre-neuve-4.jpg
04:28 <Lemon> imagine that with the height of a labrador :>
04:37 <rust_collector> heh
05:34 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hVahRbrnQ
06:57 <Lemon> majestic :> ho btw, strange fact but ours never swim lol
07:06 <Lemon> he simply dont want to
07:57 <Lemon> he's the most addicted to food dog I ever saw
08:12 <rust_collector> there is no food or anything out there, so why swim? Being on land is nice
08:13 <Lemon> he simply won't leave you alone, even if you drink a coffee
08:54 <Lemon> thats true !
20:11 <rust_collector> hmm, pingpong ball on a string, tied to sleeping cats tail. that looks fun
22:56 <Lemon> ho they dont need that to go nuts trust me x)
23:02 <Lemon> being a cat is enough
26:21 <Lemon> some of them were born in the attic, into isolation material to be precise
26:31 <Lemon> sadly it made 3 of them blind
27:25 <Lemon> still they are really impressive, they run everywhere and dont hit things that often
27:55 <rust_collector> you have to muve stuff around every day
28:11 <rust_collector> muve? yes, muve
28:28 <rust_collector> much betterer
28:52 <Lemon> ho they adapt really well in fact
29:21 <rust_collector> well, yes, they are animals, they just deal with whatever
47:32 <rust_collector> Ok, I have been awake today, so now I will stop that. good night
47:58 <K> good night
01:15 <MrMobodies> I have got a message back from the Royal Society about that Solar roads thing and in there they mentioned about Solar Roadways
01:34 <MrMobodies> they said they didn't publish the exact article as they prefer to do as journalists
01:35 <MrMobodies> https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.2019.0439
01:56 <MrMobodies> I am not sure whether to post that in the forum thread I started
04:45 <MrMobodies> here is their response back
04:47 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/5iSogMb.jpg
10:20 <Ampera> ooo, new person
19:29 <MrMobodies> new person?
19:55 <Ampera> Lemon
22:33 <MrMobodies> Got to restart the firewall. One port on the second hex port card doesn't seem to register connected.
25:55 <Lemon> hey !
26:14 <Ampera> How do sir?
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26:44 <Lemon> ho im doing good, what about you ?
27:07 <Ampera> Doing alright
27:20 <Ampera> a bit stuffed full of a high dose drug cocktail, but at least my sore throats gone
27:38 <Ampera> I can see through walls, and gaze beyond the surreal, but I'm doing fine otherwise
29:13 <Lemon> hoo I feel you, I'm having a nice toothache again
29:27 <Lemon> the daily methadone doesn't cut it anymore so I guess its getting serious
29:41 <Ampera> I'm on aspirin, paracetamol, and caffeine
29:46 <Ampera> 650, 1000, and 200mg respectively
30:08 <Ampera> It's my go to drug combination for, I need something to kill any problem I have, but I use it very sparingly
30:17 <Ampera> I think only three times this month I've used it, counting this
30:19 <Lemon> I wish I could find something that helps ! caffeine does help somehow, I got some claradol left
30:36 <Lemon> well at least theres nothing too addictive
30:43 <Lemon> just take care, I know what I'm talking about :>
30:54 <Lemon> it can easily ruin your life
31:19 <Ampera> Definitely, I am careful with my drugs. I learn what they do, and how they fuck people up
31:29 <Ampera> but god when I do want them, they are awesome
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32:06 <Lemon> I feel you :> I started like this, increasingly taking more and more powerful stuff
32:14 <Lemon> until there was no come back
33:18 <Lemon> you'll probably try some sort of opioids one day, and discover it's wonderful world
33:27 <Lemon> just take care, even if its really hard to
38:00 <MrMobodies> Hello Lemson
38:06 <MrMobodies> oh Lemon
38:24 <Lemon> hello :>
38:27 <MrMobodies> Do you like Lemons?
38:59 <Lemon> hmmm actually the taste is alright in some occasions, but nothing more x)
39:04 <MrMobodies> I use it to beat up colds up with.
39:23 <MrMobodies> very good at getting rid of the flem and coughs for a while like over the Christmas
40:05 <MrMobodies> I am starting to like that PfSense, they even had consideration for their fixed header
40:21 <MrMobodies> Top Navigation: Scrolls with page
40:21 <MrMobodies> The fixed option is intended for large screens only.
40:59 <MrMobodies> I like it when they improvements like that.
41:46 <MrMobodies> Unfortunately TalkTalk DNS has failed again, auto with reinstall but I am going to change it anyway.
43:33 <Lemon> I should try pfsense one day !
43:48 <Ampera> pfsense is awesome, it forms the backbone of my network infrastructure
43:50 <MrMobodies> Nothing wrong with that port, apparently that 2/6 was numbered em22 and I thought I set it up but I didnt
44:05 <Ampera> I wish to one day replace it with something of my own creation, but I feel that way about almost everything I use
44:37 <MrMobodies> I was told about it from an old place that no longer exists in about 2009
45:01 <MrMobodies> So I had this Pentium 3 850 and an Ide flash drive (it sits on the ide connector with power
45:25 <MrMobodies> I used it for hosting some experimental stuff and it worked there until 2014 and the flash drive failed
46:45 <steve30> I was helping a talktalk customer once. I was surprised to see that they employ DNS hijacking to provide 'search results'
47:47 <steve30> I don't think I'd ever come across such hijacking before.
47:48 <MrMobodies> and that LEVEL3
48:16 <MrMobodies> how do I describe it, DNS poisoning
50:56 <MrMobodies> I found a picture
50:57 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/sRGn7EF.jpg
51:11 <MrMobodies> that was my first Pfsense setup I can't remember what version
51:59 <steve30> nice
52:01 <MrMobodies> I had a Cisco 2801, a Netgear FVL328 and some other stuff and it went to a switch and into the modem gateway
52:26 <MrMobodies> NTL: Business Docsis mapped the gear by MAC address
52:35 <MrMobodies> and quad ports seemed expensive at the time
52:59 <MrMobodies> I was told I could vlans, I tried it and latency went up to high
08:16 <MrMobodies> Looks for cpu's only one left
08:31 <MrMobodies> but underneath I doub't it could be genuine
08:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=X3370&_sacat=0
08:57 <MrMobodies> CAP openers
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11:58 <Lemon> I'm trying to find an old waveform generator for my lab, I found some models for around 50-70 euros, most are from 2mhz to 10-13mhz max, some got am/fm modulation, but that's a bit hard to determine which one would be the best
13:54 <DHess_US> 2 MHz is common. The fastest are about 40 MHz.
14:14 <Lemon> ho theres even some 500mhz actually, but wayyyy too expensive for me sadly
14:34 <Lemon> its more about the quality of the signal, the rise time etc I don't know enough things about it
14:40 <Lemon> and how to know if its good enough, etc
14:46 <DHess_US> It's hard to make a function generator above 40 MHz or even 10 MHz. It is even more difficult now because high speed PNPs are not produced anymore.
15:10 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1736657540.htm/ this one seems interesting, and not too expensive for me
15:45 <DHess_US> Modern AWGs and some function generators only work in their highest frequencies for sine waves.
16:19 <Lemon> yeah thats true, and about 1/10 for square waves or so
16:29 <DHess_US> The old way was to get a fast function generator with AM and FM inputs and then drive the inputs with another function generator.
17:56 <Lemon> well I think for the current budget and needs I have, I'll simply go with one of that kind, can't really go wrong at that price
18:13 <DHess_US> My fastest function generator is a Tektronix FG502 so 11MHz. https://www.ebay.com/sch/12576/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=%28FG502%2C+FG504%2C+FG505%2C+FG506%29&_sop=15
19:00 <Lemon> it looks great !
19:18 <Lemon> honestly, I trust those old piece of gear more than new chinese stuff, that promise high bandwith etc
19:24 <DHess_US> No modulation on an FG502 except FM.
19:40 <DHess_US> But it produces really nice signals.
20:24 <Lemon> and that's what matters after all
20:31 <Lemon> I think I'll try to get the one I linked
20:40 <Lemon> looks pretty neat, with some functions to discover
20:44 <Lemon> 10mhz is enough for me
20:58 <Lemon> but for now, I gotta sleep ! so I'll catch you later :>
21:20 <DHess_US> https://i.ibb.co/Cnj5tqq/2230-Analog.jpg
22:04 <Lemon> that indeed looks nice ! (Im using a 2245a :P)
25:35 <DHess_US> Someone on the forums wanted to know what analog and digital mode on a 2230 looked like compared to a 2232. https://i.ibb.co/98RBrYJ/2230-DSO.jpg
26:08 <DHess_US> It doesn't display both sweeps in digital mode.
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21:24 <noobor> how many max_freq i/o can an arm mcu run
21:30 <noobor> how to math
21:47 <noobor> since it's not parellel
22:42 <noobor> e.g. an FPGA can just exhaust the fabric
25:20 <noobor> i have to brb
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26:11 <DHess_US> Not sure what the context is but be very careful about ARM I/O.
27:02 <DHess_US> Generally an ARM microcontroller can toggle an I/O port faster than the I/O port hardware will support so the answer is much lower than the ARM CPU clock.
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27:37 <DHess_US> You have to wait between I/O port accesses.
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19:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: AGAIN my aircon switched on mysteriously overnight. 5:30am this time. https://t.co/7zweN9Z3bB
44:09 <MrMobodies> Anyone notice Youtube hanging when going in and out fullscreen in Chrome?
44:46 <MrMobodies> It use to do that in when set to auto quality. I found an extension to set it but looks like started again despite selecting the quality manually. Doesn't do it in Pale moon once set.
45:35 <MrMobodies> there is also a streaming button that seems to have recent appeared in Chtomr and when removing it removes the other buttons ytp-button.
51:42 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Jeff Keyzer: Harbor Freight setting expectations appropriately. https://t.co/2Lwli6kkU7
12:44 <steve30> I was going to go out later but I don't feel like it now.
12:48 <steve30> Also its rather cold this morning
31:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Our @TheAmpHour podcast Apple ID account is so secure, even we can't get back into it. 👍
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59:40 <Ali> I’m working on a project for years now. Lightly touch and untouch instrument metal string to turn a transistor ON and OFF. It works most of the time but sometimes not reliable and I noticed that it depends very much on my finger condition dry or soft. It’s not a guitar but a traditional instrument like a guitar. It has 5 strings each string to a fi
59:41 <Ali> nger. My hand wrist touch a 12v plate and transfer signal to the string thru my finger. And the end of the string a wire goes to the base of a transistor that turn ON and OFF. Please help with ideas to improve it. I thought about capacitive switch but mos they require a plate area to touch not a very thin wire. Thanks ali20712@yahoo
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00:17 <hsn93> hla hla
21:01 <hsn93> https://www.ad-case.de/en/
26:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I kinda like the sound of that... https://t.co/L5BqzGbS9Q
31:17 <hsn93> lol this guy send me spam phishing and it redirects here: https://vintagetoy.net/cs/
32:31 <hsn93> it doesnt redirect but his form submit to the php here ^^
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58:59 <Lemon> morning/evening/afternoon
00:22 <steve30> hi
01:32 <hsn93> hi
02:20 <Lemon> how everyone doing ?
03:41 <hsn93> great
03:50 <hsn93> and u
04:38 <steve30> I'm pretty much just passing time till i go to sleep
04:38 <Lemon> well its a bit early but im alright, it seems my tooth let me sleep a bit
04:56 <Lemon> gotta love timezones :>
06:23 <hsn93> its 10 am
06:27 <hsn93> :)
06:39 <Lemon> ha 8 here ! we're not that far :>
06:55 <steve30> 7am here
07:11 <Lemon> ha, timezones aint the problem then xD
07:30 <Lemon> theres some sort of hailstorm outside that got me out of bed
07:43 <Lemon> my front door tend to open itself with some strong wind
08:14 <Lemon> I might go back to sleep soon :>
17:37 <steve30> I want to go to the chemist and buy some sleeping tablets first
18:07 <Lemon> zolpidem works pretty well
18:15 <Lemon> well, at least the 5 first times
18:19 * Ampera takes steve30's sleeping tablets and some caffeine tablets, crushes them together and forms new tablets
18:46 <steve30> I don't use caffeine tablets. I just use coffee
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19:11 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera!
19:11 <Ampera> coffee gives me nausea, so I have to use caffeine tablets if I want caffeine
19:14 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir
19:15 <Lemon> I keep hearing about caffeine tabs but I think I never saw one
19:16 <Ysjoelfir> Why do you hate me? :'(
19:19 <Lemon> hello
19:19 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
19:23 <Ampera> because you're a filthy kraut
19:29 <Lemon> hey ! :>
19:32 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, ok. that seems legit :)
19:37 <steve30> Not used Zolpidem before. I normally get diphenhydramine.
19:38 <Ampera> it is, it's also why I hate myself
19:48 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, are you unbanned now?
19:54 <Ampera> He was banned?
19:58 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least at work^^
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> don't know about the home IP
20:07 <Ampera> did you try to use Kiwi?
20:16 <Ampera> not that I have any outstanding bans on Kiwi
20:21 <Ysjoelfir> no
20:34 <steve30> Lemon, I've seen caffeine tablets at chemists. Not used them though, as I use coffee.
20:43 <Lemon> I missed a fluke 45 in perfect working shape selling for 30 euros :(
20:43 <steve30> Not really sure as to the point of them tbh
20:58 <Lemon> I do use coffee too, seems more natural
21:39 <Ampera> I'm confused, who banned you, Ysjoelfir, do you know?
21:54 <Ysjoelfir> SORBS did ban me^^ or better, my IP
21:55 <Ampera> I can't think of anyone here who would, unless it was a server ban
22:01 <steve30> Ampera, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ive-been-banned-from-eevblog-irc-(/
22:23 <Ampera> ah
22:38 <Ampera> I should probably pay more attention to the forums then :P
23:42 <Ysjoelfir> I was a little surprised how the reactions were more or less like "meh, idiot, use google!" than what I intended - to make a little joke for my IRC loving friends :)
24:00 <Ampera> that was just one guy
24:11 <Ampera> keep in mind IRC people often differ from forum people
24:34 <Ysjoelfir> thats very true
24:58 <Ysjoelfir> and I'm not offended at all, don't want anyone to think that^^
25:58 <Ampera> I miss arch, gentoo is not as fun as arch
26:34 <Ampera> I may look into running my own Arch Linux port for PPC if it wouldn't be too annoying.
26:44 <Ampera> someone made one ages ago.
27:50 <hsn93> how : I've been banned from EEVBlog IRC :'( ---> converted to ----> ive-been-banned-from-eevblog-irc-(/
28:08 <hsn93> :'( ---> (/
28:39 <Ysjoelfir> You linux folks always amaze me.
29:03 <Ysjoelfir> I guess that's because you can't : and ' in urls hsn?
30:29 <Ampera> I think I may throw in the damn towel and run Debian.
31:16 <Ysjoelfir> for a windows guy that ready like: "I miss linux. linux is not as fun as linux. I may install linux instead." xD
31:21 <Ysjoelfir> *reads
31:40 <Ampera> I think I'm gonna do some experimentation right now
31:41 <hsn93> no, (') is being used mostly for sqlinjections so for sure it can be used ..
31:53 <hsn93> but maybe thats why ^
32:36 <hsn93> im shamed, because i started using (WSL) in windows
33:08 <Ampera> WSL isn't all that good
33:14 <Ysjoelfir> good to know that :D I may enlarge my previously said line to "you guys knowing how to code always amaze me"
33:47 <Ampera> to whose stretch of the imagination do I know how to code
33:59 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/oda8K4.jpg <--- Ampera but it looks sexy on the new windows terminal
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> to mine?^^
34:48 <hsn93> i certainly (know basic) of how to code
35:28 <Ysjoelfir> Well, I assume I know the basic stuff, too. I can at least tell an atmel how to do what I want it to do and use python to get data from my instruments
35:31 <Ysjoelfir> but bexond that... nah
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> even using pointers is a thing I only understand very vaguely
36:00 <hsn93> c++ pointers ? ;) ?
36:09 <hsn93> or c
36:35 <Ysjoelfir> c
37:04 <hsn93> c++ is too complicated man
37:14 <Ysjoelfir> I heard that there is a think that is called c++ (and also I hear there exist something like c#), but I have no idea what that is
37:38 <Ampera> c pointers is about as good as I get
38:04 <Ysjoelfir> so you know more than I, hooray :)
38:27 <hsn93> no u need more :P
40:47 <hsn93> oh wait i thought u said so i dont need to know more
41:26 <Ysjoelfir> :D
41:32 <Ampera> I think I'll just do Linux from scratch.
42:00 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, that sounds easy.
42:13 <Ampera> never done it, so I don't know
42:14 <Ysjoelfir> well, not realy
42:17 <Ampera> I'll just take it one step at a time
42:31 <Ampera> the issue is I'm on PowerPC, which many distros have dropped ages ago
42:32 <Lemon> I wish I could find the one my father did
42:42 <Ampera> Lemon, find what?
42:51 <Lemon> I remember he used the little doomguy sprite for a system load icon :>
42:58 <Ysjoelfir> I even managed to make my mobile phone unstable by installing a custom rom ._.
43:08 <Lemon> he made a lightweight linux version, like 20 years ago ?
43:09 <Lemon> if not more
43:19 <Lemon> I think its linux ?
43:33 <Lemon> I might be wrong honestly, its been so long I haven't seen it, but I'm sure its somewhere
43:56 <Lemon> I just got to go through tons of hard drives, random laptops/desktops, usb keys...
47:42 <hsn93> Ampera, what do you mean with (linux from scratch)
47:58 <Ampera> hsn93, as in I put together a Linux environment without a distro
48:13 <Ampera> I compile and install all software, including the kernel, myself.
50:45 <Lartza> Gentoo seems to support ppc just fine
52:09 <hsn93> i also want to do some experiment with this project: https://www.yoctoproject.org/
52:16 <Ampera> Lartza it's an absolute pain in the ass
52:19 <hsn93> but i think it will take time..
52:26 <Lartza> Compared to LFS? :S
52:33 <Ampera> to the order where I'd rather just do it from scratch, with the benefit that I know more of what I'm doing
52:50 <Ampera> LFS confuses me, because I know it's a book and guide, but it's also a concept
52:53 <Ampera> I'm not following any guide.
53:09 <hsn93> it means u know how to code :)
53:11 <Lartza> Is it a pain because ppc or gentoo? I've used gentoo in the past but don't like fiddling with USE all the time and waiting for stuff to compile
53:25 <Ampera> Lartza, a bit of both.
53:36 <Ampera> PPC isn't the issue, really, it's just that few distro support it.
53:46 <Lartza> Yeah it's scarce
53:48 <Ampera> FreeBSD was my ideal choice, but the support is poor, and it doesn't work.
53:56 <Lartza> debian only does ppc64el, most don't support any
53:56 <Ampera> OpenBSD has issues too
54:06 <Ampera> so that's why I might as well do it myself then
54:20 <Lartza> I've never done LFS myself even if I've used Linux for around 13 years now
55:17 <Ampera> I don't mind compiling stuff, but Gentoo seems really obtuse from my Arch background
55:26 <Ampera> its tools just don't click with me
55:29 <Lartza> It's slowwwww and unnecessary :P
55:40 <Lartza> And yeah I primarly use Arch too
55:57 <Lartza> Trying to get into OpenSUSE for some more stable stuff at the moment, because screw Debian
56:06 <Ampera> Use FreeBSD
56:21 <Ampera> It's awesome for stability, and it will come in strange handy from being simply not Linux
56:33 <Ampera> I have a PBX with a DAHDI card, and DAHDI only compiles on certain Linux versions
56:40 <Ampera> whereas FreeBSD 12.1 has no problem with the DAHDI port.
56:43 <Lartza> I can't run FreeBSD in WSL is a downside :P
56:52 <Ampera> why the hell do you need WSL
56:56 <Ampera> you can't run arch in WSL either
57:01 <Ampera> unless that's changed
57:05 <Lartza> OpenSUSE I can use in WSL in place of Ubuntu and then replace my VPS Debian with opensuse
57:15 <Lartza> There's an unofficial way to Arch but not really no
57:17 <Ampera> just use VMs
57:27 <Ampera> or physical test hardware
57:31 <Lartza> And I use it for plenty of things? SSH mostly I guess, but also the basics like just ls... :S
57:54 <Ampera> look into MSYS2, all of those Unix programs, but ported direct to Windows.
57:56 <Lartza> I used msys2 and before that cygwin so why not WSL
58:01 <Ampera> oh
58:15 <Ampera> becaues WSL is linux, but shot in the kneecaps
58:52 <Lartza> I mean, I just use it for basic stuff and some that msys2 isn't great for probably when it involves running python software that likes Linux for instance
59:12 <Lartza> Also apparently WSL2 will run an actual Linux kernel, honest this time ;P
59:15 <Ampera> I actually don't use Windows at all anymore.
59:40 <Ampera> For a very long time, I've actually been Linux and Unix (BSD) 100%
59:44 <Lartza> It's still in Insider only and has huge downsides because it proxies the stuff and translates
59:52 <Lartza> Yeah I can't avoid it because of games...
59:53 <Ampera> well, if a couple years is a very long time
59:58 <Ampera> Proton.
00:06 <Lartza> It's pretty long yeah
00:18 <Lartza> Not a complete solution unfortunately. Anticheats and whatnot
00:19 <Ampera> I have an 80-ish game Steam library, 1-2 games on it don't work
00:34 <Ampera> it's really only battl-eye, so if you can live without those games
01:04 <hsn93> i heared microsoft pushed updates to wine project
01:11 <Lartza> I play both Arma 3 and PUBG from time to time so not really, and even DayZ, and also Elite Dangerous doesn't work
01:29 <Ampera> lol, basically all the games that just happen to not work
01:33 <Ampera> damn you >:P
01:40 <Lartza> Yeah it's a shame really
01:48 <Lartza> I have tried dual booting but it just doesn't flow nicely
01:50 <Ampera> Lartza, blame epic games.
01:58 <Lartza> I always do ;P
02:31 <Lartza> Also performance is a concern for native games especially so, it's not fun being a Linux gamer and I admire whoever has the patience
02:45 <Lartza> (Wine has beaten native performance on plenty of games in the past)
02:52 <Lartza> And that was before dxvk :S
03:55 <Lartza> Or I guess it can be fun but not easy
04:13 <Lartza> now Rocket League dropping linux support and whatnot...
04:29 <Lartza> Probably because Sweeney hates Linux, so we can blame Epic for that too now that they bought Psyonix
04:40 <hsn93> how the heck dual booting works, kernel that runs two kernels ?
04:42 <Ampera> Performance is excellent on Linux, especially on non-native games.
04:50 <Lartza> hsn93, You just... boot the other OS from BIOS :P
04:53 <Ampera> hsn93, no you install each OS on separate drives or partitions.
04:58 <Ampera> then bootloader magic
05:15 <Lartza> dxvk can apparently run Windows games run better on Windows so yeah ;P
05:18 <Ampera> I've gone a long way with Linux and Unix, and I keep going father.
05:20 <Ampera> *farther
05:31 <hsn93> Ampera thats multi-booting ? <<
06:00 <Lartza> Almost nobody uses that term
06:15 <Lartza> And you most likely have two OSes
06:17 <Ampera> I do, I use both
06:24 <Ampera> and they mean different things.
06:42 <Lartza> not according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-booting
06:42 <Lartza> :D
06:46 <Ampera> as in dual boot is 2 systems, multi boot is n>1 systems
06:55 <Lartza> Well right but that's not really different
06:59 <Ampera> it is
07:10 <Ampera> all dual boot systems are multi boot, but not all multi boot systems are dual boot
07:13 <Lartza> dual boot is just the commonly used term because most people boot two OSes
07:31 <Lartza> Right but that's all multi-booting, so it's not REALLY different
07:53 <Lartza> I'd understand if someone said they dual boot arch, windows and freebsd :P
08:01 <Lartza> Because it's really the same, just add one more OS
08:13 <hsn93> no,,, i think multi-boot u have them in different partitions, but u run one at the time.. dual = run 2 at same time ?
08:19 <Lartza> No
08:36 <Lartza> dual-booting is multi-boothing with two OSes
08:41 <Lartza> *booting
09:34 <hsn93> so (ubuntu + windows + grub bootloader) = dual booting?
09:48 <Lartza> yes, you're multi-booting two operating systems
09:49 <Ampera> then you have VMs
09:57 <Ampera> which is even more complicated
11:04 <Lartza> Hyper-V and you can multi-boot VM's ;)
11:15 <hsn93> oohhh ok , i just read misconfusing article i thought there is somthing like (run 2 os at the same time) = (dual booting)
11:19 <Lartza> Including your damn main OS, which I found out when installing Docker on Windows
11:24 <hsn93> i was like (WHAAAAT!!!)
11:34 <Lartza> hsn93, I mean with VM's you can but yeah no
11:58 <Lartza> And in essence you don't need a bulky whole OS as your hypervisor to run multiple OSes at the same time
12:05 <Ampera> hsn93, you can
12:16 <Ampera> Xen is a good example of that
12:19 <Ampera> which is a baremetal hypervisor.
12:23 <Ampera> I use a normal hypervisor, KVM
12:50 <hsn93> ok so Xen is another kernel
14:13 <Lartza> Well no I'm not sure you'd really call it that
14:42 <Ampera> Xen is technically a kernel, but one that runs other kernerls
14:45 <Ampera> er, *kernels
15:20 <T3sl41> miau https://i.redd.it/9uhmbfz3aed41.jpg
15:33 Nick: T3sl41 is now known as T3sl4
15:48 <Lemon> why drop the one ?
16:11 <hsn93> 73$14 mew
16:19 <Lartza> Now you're just any old T3sl4 not THE 1
16:37 Nick: T3sl4 is now known as T3sl4co1l
16:42 <T3sl4co1l> oh yeah what now
16:56 <T3sl4co1l> this isn't even my final,,, wait yes it is
17:01 <hsn93> 73$l4C0!1 :)
18:04 <hsn93> wait c exist thats not enough leet .. 73$14_<0!1
20:50 <Lartza> ꝉ€§£Ʌ¢ɵᵻ£
23:15 <Ampera> T3sl4co1l, you heretic, I used your shortened name to identify this channel from the afternet one
23:21 <Ampera> though I do like your longer name better
23:28 <T3sl4co1l> :)
23:44 Nick: T3sl4co1l is now known as T3sl4
24:11 <T3sl4> this place seems [even more] informal, so i usually dress down as it were
25:17 <T3sl4> alternately, i'm not sure why i bothered using the full on afternet, but i've never bothered to change it
30:59 <steve30> The pharmacy I went to today charged £8.03 for diphenhydramine tabs. That's a bit more than the £6.29 I normally pay everywhere else.
31:55 <Lemon> I have literally nothing besides two tabs of claradol, and my daily methadone to survive this toothache until I find a dentist willing to accept me
32:54 <hsn93> Ampera i've this mug and now i remember u when i make a coffee
33:04 <Ampera> okay?
33:15 <steve30> I've not been to a dentist for a couple of years. I don't think I'll bother until I next have an /actual/ problem.
33:15 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/nZa24W.jpg
33:16 * T3sl4 offers Lemon a nice soothing hammer
33:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Sam Sharma: Tech has disrupted by inventing... handkerchiefs? They’ve discovered handkerchiefs. https://t.co/HWrgmY5hmG
33:32 <Lemon> exactly what I needed thanks
33:35 <hsn93> ignore the keyboard letters
37:00 <T3sl4> hsn93: what keyboard letters?
37:25 <hsn93> T3sl4: https://snipboard.io/nZa24W.jpg <<
38:12 <T3sl4> arabic faces?
38:16 <hsn93> yes :D
39:04 <T3sl4> i'm not sure how closely i'm supposed to be looking, given the combination of poor focus and framing, and the admonition to ignore them
42:08 <hsn93> ئئئششش
42:34 <hsn93> how does this look like in ur end?
42:49 <T3sl4> good, my client supports unicode
43:06 <Halcyon> Evening all
43:08 <T3sl4> i'm not sure how you're supposed to handle R-L text beside L-R, but it... does a thing
43:13 <Ampera> Halcyon,
43:25 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Good to see you got that little ban issue fixed
43:26 <Ampera> how do
43:34 <Halcyon> Alright, you>?
43:38 <hsn93> because this is wierd ? : https://snipboard.io/uGQnk0.jpg
43:45 <Ampera> tired, about to go to bed
43:50 <Halcyon> Nawww
44:08 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon a big hard noogie
44:19 * Halcyon backhands T3sl4 in the ballsack
44:19 <Ampera> I'd like to find a good PPC binary repo. I was using Debian's, but it's hard to figure out.
44:20 <hsn93> hi halcyon
44:24 * Halcyon gives Ampera a hug
44:25 <Ampera> for Linux anyways
44:25 <Halcyon> Hey hsn93
44:30 <T3sl4> gee, disproportionate
44:30 <Ampera> and I don't know of any besides Debian
44:36 <T3sl4> guess you won't be getting any of what's inside it
44:42 <Halcyon> Hahah
44:48 <Halcyon> Like it was ever on offer anyway
44:53 <T3sl4> ;)
45:04 <Ampera> well now you'll never know, Halcyon
45:15 <steve30> hi Halcyon
45:36 <T3sl4> Ampera: Debian Does Dumbass
45:49 <Ampera> alright well after that one I'm going to sleep
45:50 <Ampera> good night
45:56 <hsn93> gn
46:15 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
46:22 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
46:33 * Halcyon massages T3sl4's balls
46:46 <T3sl4> ech, careful now
46:59 <steve30> I think I'll go to bed in an hour or so
47:19 <T3sl4> watch the uh, tubey things, y'know
47:26 <Halcyon> Tubey things?
47:29 <steve30> meanwhile, my hip needs a massage if anyone is interested
47:45 <Halcyon> Only if it leads to frontal hip massages steve30 :P
48:51 <T3sl4> it's hip to be steve30
49:19 <steve30> My hip joint is aching a lot. I really need to go to the gym but I've been too lazy for it.
50:13 * T3sl4 headpats steve30
52:34 <steve30> maybe i'll go tomorrow
53:06 <T3sl4> doesn't take too much hip action to swim, does it?
53:17 <T3sl4> or just soak and inspect the crowd for cuties :P
53:32 <steve30> breast stroke is bad for my hip, due to the outward kicking action
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54:48 <T3sl4> an arm-ier stroke is needed, yeah
54:55 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon :) Well, sort of fixed. Don't know about the home PC, but the work PC... works :)
55:57 <Halcyon> Heh
57:04 * T3sl4 passes a beer to Ysjoelfir
00:12 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
05:17 <Halcyon> Naww
05:19 <Halcyon> :)
07:16 <Halcyon> gremlinz: You around?
08:52 <gremlinz> just caught me, sup
10:06 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) EOF from client
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12:35 <Halcyon> I need to work out which smoke alarm is chirping at me
12:36 <Ysjoelfir> Thanks T3sl4 :)
12:43 <Halcyon> I only have 1 new battery left
12:59 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: I'll try and sort it out for you with gremlinz. He is just having dinner.
14:28 <Lemon> I'm pretty happy about how my little electronics lab is turning out
14:39 <Ysjoelfir> cool, thanks :)
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> Pics, Lemon? :)
15:15 <Lemon> tek 2245a, keithley 175, cheapo power supply (I will try to find a linear one later), ts100 !
15:19 <Lemon> ho yeah wait !
15:59 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, I shaved yesterday. just for you xD
16:20 <Halcyon> Hahaha
16:24 <Halcyon> Lies
16:28 <Ysjoelfir> nope
16:37 <Ysjoelfir> well, the "just for you" might be a bit exagerated
16:38 <Halcyon> Why would you do it? Your wife likes it.
16:42 <Halcyon> :P
17:46 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/0Z5LVs3
17:52 <Ysjoelfir> na, not completely. just shaved the.... cheeks (?) as I found the wetstone for my straight razor. and trimmed the chin beard a bit
17:55 <Halcyon> Nice Lemon
17:56 <Lemon> not the best, but I can't really go back, there's a wall :>
17:59 <Halcyon> Very neat
18:00 <Lemon> thanks !
18:13 <Ysjoelfir> that looks sweet :) way tidyer than mine :D
18:33 <Lemon> I'm trying to buy a function generator, I saw a 10mhz one with am/fm modulation for 60 euros, a topward I believe !
18:43 <Lemon> hooo tidier because I actually sorted it out a few days ago xd
18:47 <Lemon> usually its a mess :>
19:24 <Ysjoelfir> well, my workspace at work is a mess and my nongenderspecificcave at home, too. always. ^^
19:46 <Halcyon> Hahah
22:12 <steve30> I just shaved my pubic hair. Should be a bit more comfortable now.
22:12 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon: See, just for you. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BXAT_N6BVNI14FEDoS3eJTdEFYZZQEsv/view?usp=sharing
22:28 <Ysjoelfir> I trust you that you did, no pictures needed :P
22:38 <Lemon> I got a nice surprise coming with the 2245a, two genuine tek probes !
23:01 <Ysjoelfir> nice. I always liked the tek probes. :) have some genuine ones, too
23:10 * steve30 goes for a shower
23:18 <Halcyon> You have such a boyish face, I like it
23:22 <Ysjoelfir> have fun :)
23:26 <Halcyon> Why ruin it with a beard :P
23:36 <Lemon> they are nicely made ! and the 2245a is in really, really nice condition
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol. when I shave completely I look like a baby :D
23:52 <Lemon> I paid 180 euros for it with two probes, and shipping
23:59 <Halcyon> Hah
24:07 <Halcyon> You're just so youthful :P
24:10 <Lemon> which is imo pretty correct, as I don't have access to those insane US deals :>
24:16 <Ysjoelfir> I have an analog tek on my desk at home. don't know which exactly right now tbh :S
24:22 <Ysjoelfir> where are you from lemon?
24:29 <Lemon> France !
24:34 <Ysjoelfir> youthful? XD I'm nearly 30, come on :P
24:39 <Ysjoelfir> :O a frenchman!
24:39 <Halcyon> Ohh lots of nice food in France
24:41 <Halcyon> I love food
24:49 <Ysjoelfir> we love food
24:57 <Lemon> lots of fromage and omelettes ! :>
25:13 <Ysjoelfir> ah speaking of food and frenchmen... do you guys watch alex french guy?
25:24 <Lemon> but yeah we don't have as much test gear deals than the US
26:56 <Lemon> Im going to sell my laptop, as I don't use it anymore now that I have my workstation
27:13 <Ysjoelfir> jep... sadly. I'm always hunting for scope tek scopes. very hard to do here in kraut-land
27:22 <Lemon> its a pretty decent one, a g502vs with 16gb ddr4, a 1070, 6700hq etc
27:49 <Lemon> it was my first ever scope ! well, my father left me with a tek ths710a, but I wanted an analog one :>
28:02 <Lemon> theres also two hameg hm 203 in not so great shape
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28:31 <Lemon> the keithley dmm is really neat too, got it for 70 euros
28:56 <Lemon> I fell in a terrible rabbit hole
29:39 <Ysjoelfir> welcome to the TEA-group :P
30:39 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
38:56 <Halcyon> 8.9v open circuit isn't that low for a 9v battery is it?
39:16 <Ysjoelfir> lol. That was to much for him. test equipment addiction? I quit! XD
39:17 <Stiff> its fine
39:30 <Halcyon> Then I wonder which smoke alarm was chirping
39:38 <Halcyon> Because they all measured between 8.9 and 9.0v
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40:03 <Lemon> woups I crashed it seems
40:23 <Stiff> are they battery back up alarms?
40:34 <Halcyon> Yep
40:58 <Ysjoelfir> Recently I exchanged them for lithium batteries. they should last longer, but one consistently squealed in my ear from time to time. seems like that smoke alarm was just broken...
41:00 <Stiff> unless the alarm thinks the battery is flat?
43:11 <Halcyon> They are less than 5 years old
47:10 <Halcyon> I mean I didn't personally witness it, it was my other half. He says they didn't go into full alarm
48:13 <Halcyon> I will proactively change all the batteries this weekend. I only had one brand new one left, so I changed the one with the lowest voltage
48:20 <Halcyon> Hopefully it was the right one :P
48:53 <Lemon> speaking about batteries
49:19 <Lemon> I thought about making a noiseless power supply with a bunch of 18650, lets say two packs, while you use one, the other is being charged, etc
49:34 <Lemon> I need to think more about it but why not, I have tons of unused cells
49:44 <Halcyon> Sure, I don't see why not
50:08 <Lemon> I really want the lowest possible noise/ripple
50:15 <Halcyon> This sound like a T3sl4
50:22 <Halcyon> He is good with this sort of thing
50:34 <Halcyon> He is S-M-R-T
50:46 * T3sl4 vacuums Halcyon, eliminating channel noise
50:55 <Halcyon> Bitch!
51:12 <Halcyon> You are so mean to me sometimes
51:51 <Lemon> I could simply use an arduino or something to control the charging
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51:57 <Lemon> and a step down converter
52:06 <Halcyon> What's it going to be used for? Like a power bank?
52:20 <Halcyon> (Like 5v USB type stuff?)
52:33 <Lemon> ho basically to power most of my projects, I'd like it to be 30 or 40v max
52:39 <Halcyon> Oh right
52:43 <Halcyon> Like a lab PSU
52:47 <Lemon> exactly yes
52:52 <Halcyon> Got ya
52:57 <Halcyon> Yeh I have no idea
53:01 * Halcyon throws to T3sl4 
53:02 <Lemon> I just have a cheap switching one right now, which is good for some stuff but not for analog one
53:27 <T3sl4> arduino? charging cycles? i'm not sure you know what "low noise" means
53:43 <Lemon> output noise I meant !
53:57 <Lemon> but I definitively lacks a lot of knowledge
54:05 <T3sl4> when you say "lowest possible noise", do you have a target in mind?
54:08 <T3sl4> can you measure it?
54:30 <Lemon> well I guess under a mv would be nice, if feasable ?
54:51 <Lemon> I could measure it with my 2245a I think
55:05 <T3sl4> that's pretty loud
55:17 <Lemon> I have 52 cells, which are 3ah ones I believe
55:41 <Lemon> honestly I don't really know what to target, I just know batteries are pretty clean
55:58 <Lemon> it might not be the best idea but I have those batteries, why not use them
56:08 <Lemon> I'll probably learn a lot during the build :>
56:31 <T3sl4> how about a substitute car battery, or charger or booster
56:38 <Lemon> I thought about two packs, one being used and the other one being charged, as Ithink its impossible to use batteries while charging them
57:21 <Lemon> well wouldnt it be better to have a 40v battery and step down to the desired voltage, rather than going from 12v and boosting it up ?
57:43 <T3sl4> using while charging == running the load off the charger
57:53 <Lemon> yeah thats what I thought
57:56 <Lemon> it wont be clean
58:01 <Lemon> so I def need two packs
58:29 <T3sl4> how will you be switching between them?
58:33 <T3sl4> switching, sounds pretty noisy
58:36 <Lemon> lets say I go for 10s, to have 42 volts fully charged
58:55 <Lemon> well it will be only once, it could even be manual
59:16 <Lemon> like I use the supply for one hour, the battery is going low, I manually switch to the other
00:04 <Lemon> I could make two 10s2p packs
00:23 <Lemon> I wont need hours continuously anyway
01:48 <T3sl4> were you thinking switching regulator?
02:33 <Lemon> well I don't really know yet, but the switch between both batteries should happen once or twice during utilisation, if I really drain them
02:37 <Lemon> which won't happen a lot I guess
02:47 <Lemon> but with a step down module, how low can I go ?
02:58 <Lemon> 1mv will be possible ?
03:02 <Lemon> or theres a minimum ?
03:28 <Lemon> I have to study them
03:48 <T3sl4> arbitrarily low, depends how much filtering you want to put in
04:09 <Lemon> with batteries, I shouldnt need too much filtering no ?
04:23 <T3sl4> input filtering, no
04:29 <T3sl4> a few ceramic caps to keep it happy
04:29 <Lemon> what noise level should I expect ? in the hundred micro volts ?
04:51 <T3sl4> easy enough to run from a mains power supply though, and the sw reg is noisier
05:14 <Lemon> but when you say switch regulator
05:25 <Lemon> thats the step down module ?
05:33 <T3sl4> ye
05:50 <Lemon> does it makes a lot of noise ?
05:57 <Lemon> or is it acceptable with filtering
06:36 <T3sl4> it's no justification for using "quiet" batteries
06:42 <Lemon> or I thought about something, making a filter for my current lab psu, I dont know if its effective
07:07 <Lemon> I picture it by a little box, that connects to it
07:31 <Lemon> or simply save up and buy a decent linear one
10:00 <Halcyon> All showered and smelling like Issey Miyake
10:08 * T3sl4 headpats Halcyon
10:17 <Halcyon> It's my favourite cologne
10:25 * Ysjoelfir sniffs on halcyon
10:36 <Ysjoelfir> Don't know how that smells, but it sounds interesting
10:57 <Halcyon> I shall send you a letter one day and spritz it
10:57 <Halcyon> :)
11:32 <Ysjoelfir> lol. do it :D I usually use a french perfume that pretends to be associated with the scottish highlands and is produced in poland
11:39 <Halcyon> Heh
11:41 <Lemon> I am sad about the fluke 45 I missed
11:50 <Lemon> the dude sold it for 30 euros, in pristine condition...
11:54 <Halcyon> The other one I like is Acqua Di Gio
12:01 <steve30> I hate perfumes etc
12:07 <Ysjoelfir> why didn't you take it Lemon?
12:18 <Lemon> because I saw it too late :/
12:28 <Lemon> he sold it like 2 hours before I msged him
12:42 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like it when people smell 1km against the wind. that is just nasty. but a slight, subtle nice smell is... well, nice
12:50 <Ysjoelfir> damn, thats sad lemon
13:01 <Lemon> yeah it was an insane deal
13:10 <Lemon> there was also a fluke 287 for 120 euros
13:25 <Lemon> I really wanted it but the guy acted like a dick really
13:36 <Lemon> I told him I buy it, please give me your paypal adress
13:52 <Lemon> and one day later he told me 'I sold it to someone who came at my home sorry'
14:41 <Ysjoelfir> I hate people like that.
15:01 <Lemon> yeah thats not correct
15:15 <Ysjoelfir> right now I feel a bit like Dilbert. Was nearly done with the project. department manager came to me, like "you know... I would wish that the current connectors would be on the place of the voltage connectors and vice versa."
15:26 <Ysjoelfir> "You know, like moving that a bit up, those a bit down"
15:37 <Ysjoelfir> "that can't be that much work, so please do it. "
15:47 <Halcyon> So Lemon, what do you do?
15:53 <Lemon> yeah just a couple dozen hours
15:59 <Ysjoelfir> "oh, the mechanics need to be changed, too, right. Nah, can't be that big of a hassle!"
16:09 <Lemon> what do I do like what ? :>
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> "just change the coordinates of the holes!"
16:14 <Lemon> for a living ?
16:17 <Halcyon> Yep
16:22 <Halcyon> Electronics related?
16:59 <Lemon> currently im unemployed, and I want to either learn myself electronics or go to a school if I find one
17:10 <Lemon> I used to work with kids, disabled ones mainly
17:19 <Lemon> I also worked in a call center
17:27 <Halcyon> Gee, tough gig
17:30 <Halcyon> (Both of them)
17:50 <Lemon> well I liked it at first, but it got tough yeah (with kids)
18:22 <Lemon> the call center was nice before I realised that everyone was working badly, and I just can't go to work if its to do shit
18:31 <Lemon> I like it when it's done properly
18:42 <Lemon> during a complete month, we did nothing
18:51 <Lemon> like, really nothing just staring at our computer screen
19:10 <Lemon> because the manager couldn't find us work
19:26 <steve30> I'm off to bed. Good night :)
19:34 <Lemon> sleep tite !
20:40 <Halcyon> Night Steve
20:50 <Halcyon> Well welcome to channel Lemon, have you been before?
21:24 <Lemon> thanks ! and no I came here yesterday :> I've been binge watching Dave's videos, and reading tons of things on the forum
21:32 <Halcyon> Ahh nice
21:34 <Halcyon> Well, welcome
21:35 <Lemon> I wanted to find a nice place to talk about electronics, test equipement gear etc
21:36 <Halcyon> I'm from Sydney
21:41 <Halcyon> We have people from all over
21:47 * T3sl4 from USA
21:48 <Lemon> hooo neat !!
22:09 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, it's rather nice here :)
22:11 <Lemon> I'm from France, living near Germany
22:17 <Ysjoelfir> We also like to talk about food
22:26 <Halcyon> Oh yes, food is an important topic
22:28 <Lemon> understandable, food is life afterall !
22:40 <Halcyon> I actually found a new recipe I want to try last night
22:43 <Halcyon> https://iamafoodblog.com/how-to-make-japanese-souffle-creme-brulee-pancakes/
22:44 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/ohjzgsnb3ed41.jpg
22:55 <T3sl4> filet mignon peppercorn cream sauce
22:55 <Halcyon> Did you make that T3sl4 ?
22:56 <Lemon> hmmmm looks interesting
23:01 <T3sl4> nah, spotted on reddit
23:08 <Halcyon> I was going to say, PERFECTLY cooked
23:29 <T3sl4> i've done that before
23:31 <Ysjoelfir> it looks great T3sl4. also whyt you want to try halcyon :)
23:33 <T3sl4> i don't care about presentation though ;)
23:55 <Halcyon> The "burnish" on the outside is perhaps more important than the meat temperature
24:04 <Halcyon> It add so much flavour and nom
24:07 <Halcyon> *adds
24:15 <T3sl4> oh, title also said reverse sear
24:18 <T3sl4> so there you go
24:28 <Halcyon> What's a "reverse" sear?
25:21 <T3sl4> sous vide, then sear briefly
25:29 <Halcyon> Oh nice
25:31 <Ysjoelfir> you don't sear it first, but bake it to perfect doneness or sous vide it and the nsear
25:51 <Halcyon> I usually just crank up the heat on the BBQ as high as it can go and give it a few minutes on both sides
26:04 <Ysjoelfir> but I don't like sous vide. don't know, I prefer the raw method on the bbq
26:06 <Halcyon> But you need a good meat with good marbling
26:27 <Lemon> sous vide
26:29 <Halcyon> Also Lemon, I'm into my wines. These pussies aren't however :P
26:40 <Lemon> it means for example, a vaccum tube is 'sous vide'
26:42 <Lemon> without air inside
26:58 <Ysjoelfir> woah! nice. So my tube collection is noble food? :D
26:59 <Lemon> haaa wine, its actually one of the only type of alchool left I drink
27:06 <Lemon> red wine in particular :>
27:11 <Halcyon> I love reds
27:17 <Halcyon> But I mostly drink Aussie or NZ wines
27:19 <Lemon> well it seems :> show me your collection !
27:22 <Halcyon> Haven't had a lot of French stuff
27:22 <T3sl4> hmm, don't seem to have a photo of the last time i made steak, but here's some pork chops in a sandwich with cauliflower side https://i.imgur.com/gWk27wA.jpg
27:46 * Halcyon nibbles on T3sl4's meat
27:53 <Ysjoelfir> looks nice, I take it :) with some fine sous vide tubes as a side :D
27:56 <Ysjoelfir> lol
28:00 <Halcyon> Also Lemon, I must forewarn you, it does get quite sexual in here from time to time
28:04 <T3sl4> oh scratch that, i did a ribeye https://i.imgur.com/rNIQU7r.jpg
28:11 <T3sl4> medium rare it was, i think
28:12 <Lemon> ho no worries ! ;.
28:32 <Halcyon> Mainly because T3sl4 although being straight, is a massive cock tease :P
28:33 * T3sl4 slaps Halcyon like a fine southerly gentleman would
28:34 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir do you have a picture of your collection ? :>
28:56 <Halcyon> T3sl4: That looks yummy, but still with the party plates?
29:08 <T3sl4> why hand wash plates when i can throw them out?
29:12 <Ysjoelfir> not a real picture, but a pic of the cabinet where it is in. I can take a better pic for you this evening when I remember :)
29:33 <T3sl4> finally, last week's lightly fried fish fillet https://i.imgur.com/C67ciEs.png with slaw and pickled ginger
29:36 <Lemon> ho sure ! I love collections of all sort, I have a pretty nice rubiks cube collection
30:01 <Lemon> at one stage I had every magnetic cubes avalaible on the market
30:01 <Ysjoelfir> how did you picle the ginger, T3sl4?
30:03 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/18IHP4XqEyMvN4wJ1xMdt5Nu7O4BlDTcX/view?usp=sharing @ lemon
30:08 <Lemon> but I kinda stopped it
30:11 <Ysjoelfir> why?
30:24 <Lemon> hooo pretty neat !
30:34 <Lemon> well I tend to switch things, and it was kinda costly
30:46 <Lemon> now I'm using my funds for electronics mainly :>
30:59 <Lemon> I have some cubes that costed 50 euros a piece
31:10 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: store bought
31:21 <T3sl4> that jar didn't last long, pickled ginger is too good
31:34 <Halcyon> I don't know if I've ever had pickled ginger?
31:40 <Halcyon> I love regular ginger?
31:45 <T3sl4> Halcyon: it's a traditional side with sushi?
31:50 <Halcyon> Oh then I have
31:52 <Halcyon> :P
32:04 <Lemon> if I manage to sell my laptop for at least 700 euros, I'll be able to pick some gear I want
32:21 <Lemon> beginning with a nice lab power supply I think :> even if I want to make one, to learn
32:30 <Lemon> and tons of various component kits
32:38 <Halcyon> I kind of like those cheap Chinese lab PSU kits that Dave was reviewing
32:46 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: nice bondage spread there, hooks, ties, stocks...
32:47 <Lemon> korad ones ?
32:50 <Halcyon> I'm usually against Chinese products but they looked nice
32:57 <Halcyon> I think so?
33:04 <Lemon> im interested by the 200 euros one with two outputs
33:07 <Halcyon> Wait, no
33:53 <Halcyon> https://lbry.tv/@eevblog:7/eevblog-1265-53-360w-lab-bench-psu:6
33:54 <Halcyon> These
34:15 <Lemon> haa the riden one !
34:21 <Lemon> its pretty interesting yes
34:39 <Halcyon> I'm sure they are nothing special at all, but for the price, they look quite versatile.
34:50 <Ysjoelfir> xD T3sl4, what do you see that I don't see`?
35:03 <Lemon> yeah I paid about the same for a uniroi one, 30v 5 amps, nothing special at all
36:39 <Lemon> but if I buy one I'll invest quite a bit more
37:11 <Lemon> I want at least two outputs, lowest possible noise, and a 1mv/1ma resolution/accuracy at least
37:23 <Lemon> I'd go up to 300 euros big max I think
38:09 Quit: PsySc0rpi0n ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
40:49 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: nsfw-ish https://i.imgur.com/HNAg0XD.jpg
41:03 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
41:11 <Halcyon> Looks like Steve's bedroom
41:35 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, what are your minimal specs? I may have some flying around...
41:40 <Ysjoelfir> Lol @ T3sl4 :D
42:09 <T3sl4> Halcyon: add a little more rubber and you got it
42:13 <Halcyon> I particularly love the clothes pegs neatly packed away in zip-loc bags
42:16 <T3sl4> ...or something, probably :P
42:18 <Lemon> well, I kinda work like this : I look at it, and decide if its worth buying :>
42:22 <Lemon> what do you have ?
42:40 <Lemon> but I fear shipping will be a pain :/
42:58 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, aren't you in Germany?
43:05 <Lemon> ho
43:14 <Lemon> that would be great if thats the case
52:07 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I am. why?
52:17 <Ysjoelfir> ah
52:19 <Ysjoelfir> just read it :D
52:26 <Lemon> thats close to me :>
52:49 <Lemon> I found many great deals on ebay, sometimes 50 euros for the thing I want, but 200 for shipping :>
53:03 <Halcyon> Anyway guys, I'm off to bed
53:05 <Halcyon> It's...
53:07 <Halcyon> eevblog time
53:08 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 21:53 Sydney time.
53:23 <Ysjoelfir> yep, wouldn't be a problem. that's why I asked. ;) I have at least one gossen konstanter, single channel. or a Thurlby Thandar dual channel 30V 1A.
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 halcyon
53:33 <Halcyon> Night mate
53:41 <Lemon> night !
53:51 <Lemon> hooo pretty neat, how much do you want for them ?
53:56 <Ysjoelfir> I need one until I fixed the one my father built some time ago, but after that...
55:18 <Lemon> if you can take the one your father built in picture too, im interested to see it :>
55:42 <Lemon> I will take one of the little 6502 computer my father build, at the end of 80s I think
55:45 <Lemon> the
55:50 <Lemon> 'tom pouce'
55:58 <Lemon> I've always been amazed by it
56:12 <Lemon> brb, gotta feed the doggo
56:35 <Ysjoelfir> it should be visible in one of the nongenderspecificcave pics. mom
57:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/18LLgp-tG1zjbahECCmz2hXnAFCGDC3EH/view?usp=sharing no, not visible. it hides behint the monitor.
59:57 <Lemon> Im back
00:17 <Lemon> hooo neat lab !
01:08 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1736657540.htm/
01:16 <Lemon> what do you think of this function generator ?
11:21 <Lemon> alright im going for a nap, see you later peeps !
15:05 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :) I don't that particular model of functino gen, but it looks ok to me. have a good nap :)
18:50 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
24:07 <Ysjoelfir> gra! sometimes you just shoot yourself in the foot.
25:42 <Ysjoelfir> was chasing a 60mR resistance that shouldn't be there. just found the solution - I was measuring in front of the shunt from the ampmeter instead of behind it. layout error >_>
27:27 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
28:39 * T3sl4 points Ysjoelfir at the other side of that thingy
29:07 <Ysjoelfir> thanks, now I know it :P
29:15 <Ysjoelfir> perfectly in time for lunch
29:18 <Ysjoelfir> later :)
29:18 <T3sl4> \o/
29:24 <T3sl4> cheers ;)
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48:00 <Ysjoelfir> re
48:05 * Ysjoelfir nibbles on not rotten tomatoes
51:56 <Ysjoelfir> Lol. the boss just came in, complaining that I use Paper with "caution, hot! don't touch!" on my dev circuit. he was like "how can you put paper on a hot surface!?"
52:15 <Ysjoelfir> let's see what the self ignition temperature of paper is...
52:39 <Ysjoelfir> around 360°C.
53:03 <Ysjoelfir> The thing that is hot is my beloved power resistor, reaching around ~119°C max. I think we are pretty safe here
01:47 Quit: blackbird ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
22:36 <Ysjoelfir> Aaah, just found a new Tube thread involving T3sl4 :) Always nice to read
41:00 <K> hello
41:01 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
41:08 <K> yay, i win
42:45 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
44:59 <Ysjoelfir> Would anyone be concerned about a power resistor on a PCB havong 90°C? I'm wondering why the departmenr manager freaks out about that
50:19 <K> is it rated for that power?
50:30 <Ysjoelfir> the resistor? sure.
50:45 <Ysjoelfir> and the PCB is a GT135 FR4 material.
52:31 <K> that wouldn't be pleasant to touch for sure, but eh, who does that
53:26 <K> are there any temp sensitive compontents around? alu caps or somthing?
53:38 <Ysjoelfir> nope
54:32 <Ysjoelfir> BUT, and that is the point here: we need a resistance as stable as possible, taking into account all resistances in the circuit, not only that power resistor
54:41 <Ysjoelfir> let me correct that
54:48 <Ysjoelfir> that is the point that makes ME think
55:05 <K> tempco of said hot resistor is not so great?
55:08 <Ysjoelfir> what makes the department manager freak out is just: its hot, and it's on a pcb. the PCB will be destroyed
55:10 <Ysjoelfir> 100
55:22 <Ysjoelfir> which is ok for me
55:40 <Ysjoelfir> but there is also an inductor nearby that gets warm
55:49 <Ysjoelfir> and the tempco of cu with ~4000 isn't that great
55:55 <K> yeah :/
56:06 <K> but that doesn't "destroy the PCB"
56:14 <Ysjoelfir> That's what I thought, too.
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