// #eevblog — 2020-01-15
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00:01:00 <rust_collector> I almost feel like I should start smoking again
00:01:14 <rust_collector> this is just boring
00:01:42 <Ysjoelfir> nah, smoking is bad for you ;-) Use an E-cigarette instead.
00:01:59 <Ysjoelfir> what are you doing that is boring you?
00:02:01 <MrMobodies> I'd go and light a fire
00:02:09 <MrMobodies> burn all the letters
00:02:12 <Ysjoelfir> also waiting for pulsonix to create a 3d model for you? XD
00:02:51 <K> widefoot and highfoot
00:04:01 <MrMobodies> Looks like a nice pcb editor
00:04:02 <MrMobodies> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P3WIAff3Q3o/maxresdefault.jpg
00:04:06 <rust_collector> I am doing not smoking, and that is boring
00:04:27 <MrMobodies> I don't smoke at all
00:04:35 <MrMobodies> but I like to set fire to rubbish
00:04:45 <MrMobodies> something I couldnt do before I moved
00:04:48 <rust_collector> I keep sticking my hand in my pocket, then I remember there is nothing there
00:05:23 <MrMobodies> nobody hangs clothes out and the gardens are muchh larger here in the countryside.
00:05:39 <MrMobodies> in the night they take the dogs in
00:05:50 <MrMobodies> or they go crazy
00:05:58 <rust_collector> well, as you like to put things on fire, I can see why people do not hang their clothes out
00:06:25 <MrMobodies> well the neighbour three doors down, when he has one it is huge in the say
00:06:47 <MrMobodies> in the day and everyone complains but I just do mine in the night in a can
00:08:44 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFDKNdp_1Q
00:08:53 <rust_collector> I think I want to make a box like that
00:09:11 <rust_collector> it looks ok, and I can put stuff in it
00:09:27 <rust_collector> but I think I want 2 or 3 drawers
00:10:12 <MrMobodies> I like that wood
00:10:16 <MrMobodies> pine wood
00:11:15 <MrMobodies> properly designed and no plastic sliders
00:12:09 <MrMobodies> 400 years if taken care off but what if I secure it by using scews.
00:12:31 <rust_collector> eh?
00:12:50 <MrMobodies> the video above https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFDKNdp_1Q
00:12:58 <rust_collector> yes
00:13:25 <rust_collector> secure what by using screws?
00:13:37 <MrMobodies> the boxes he made
00:14:05 <rust_collector> it is still a box, and should last for 376 years
00:14:46 <MrMobodies> That's good considering no screws or glue was used.
00:14:52 <MrMobodies> it seems to all go in there
00:15:12 <MrMobodies> oops I didn't see any glue or screws in the videos.
00:15:16 <rust_collector> it was glued, I am 98% sure of that
00:15:23 <MrMobodies> oh
00:15:33 <rust_collector> this video is just a trailer for a series
00:16:28 <rust_collector> you can use hide glue, it lasts for hundreds of years. I guess no one knows how long pva will last
00:17:10 <MrMobodies> it looks very nice
00:17:47 <MrMobodies> I suppose screws would be more work and might make it look ugly if it shows but 400 years is a lot
00:18:07 <hsn> wait i ll show u my safe box
00:18:25 <rust_collector> If it only lasts 200 years... I am ok with that.
00:18:40 <rust_collector> I just want it to put my pencils and crap in
00:19:14 <rust_collector> the problem with screws is that they corrode, I guess
00:19:19 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/hXrvO6.jpg
00:19:21 <MrMobodies> yes
00:19:30 <MrMobodies> they can go browny
00:19:45 <hsn> http://fabacademy.org/2018/labs/fablabbahrain/students/hasan-jaafar/img/w7_cnc/llll.mp4
00:20:10 <rust_collector> hah! that is cool, lol
00:20:19 <hsn> :D
00:21:51 <MrMobodies> I like the design and the cogs
00:22:28 <hsn> the drawer size < 50% of box size though
00:22:28 <hsn> :D
00:22:29 <MrMobodies> Is there a hole in there at the front under the dial
00:22:31 <rust_collector> I don't, I just like that you actually made that thing
00:23:04 <hsn> this is the doc of it : http://fabacademy.org/2018/labs/fablabbahrain/students/hasan-jaafar/post/w7_computer-controlled-machining-/
00:23:32 <hsn> there was suppose to be 2 locks but never built the second one
00:23:39 <hsn> 2 knobs i mean
00:25:25 <rust_collector> oh gawd, I hope you have a really really good shop vac
00:25:35 <MrMobodies> Seem
00:25:57 <MrMobodies> seems you have all the tools to to carve out wood anyway you want.
00:26:13 <MrMobodies> and the precision
00:26:17 <hsn> not really i had really limited access
00:26:23 <hsn> so everything was one shot
00:26:37 <MrMobodies> still looks good
00:26:48 <hsn> and the vac was not there at that time
00:26:58 <hsn> now i think they did put good vac
00:27:06 <MrMobodies> vac?
00:27:08 <rust_collector> If someone was milling mdf on my router, I would ban him for life
00:27:28 <rust_collector> which might be a very short time
00:27:30 <hsn> vacuum because of mdf flying all around the place
00:27:59 <rust_collector> mdf makes an incredible amount of really annoying dust
00:28:29 <MrMobodies> an eye hazard?
00:28:44 <rust_collector> not so much, but you breathe that shit
00:29:07 <hsn> the smell is good though
00:29:09 <hsn> :D
00:29:12 <hsn> burning wood
00:33:05 <Ampera> morning
00:33:12 <Ampera> in 12 hours I'll be home
00:33:27 <rust_collector> hoi Ampera
00:33:31 <Ampera> hullo
00:33:52 <rust_collector> what will you do for 12 hours? is it time for a nap, or
00:34:27 <Ampera> no it's time to take a 10 hour train journey :P
00:34:34 <rust_collector> YAAAY!
00:34:44 <Ampera> [citation needed] on the yay
00:34:52 <MrMobodies> 10 hours on a train
00:34:56 <Ampera> nooooo
00:35:09 <Ampera> much less time than that actually on the train
00:35:18 <Ampera> a bunch of time sitting at the fecking station /waiting/ for the train
00:35:21 <rust_collector> I used to be a train nerd, but then trains got boring around here.
00:35:51 <MrMobodies> trains where I use to live were busy and many fights over seats
00:36:21 <rust_collector> well, just stab the fuckers
00:37:27 <MrMobodies> I found by bringing a great big suitcase, with my gear it forces them to give me more room when standing.
00:37:33 <MrMobodies> the ones with the wheels
00:38:14 <rust_collector> a medium size suitcase with wheels, and a seat on top...
00:39:14 <rust_collector> Hmm, a 3d printer.....
00:42:27 <rust_collector> I have very mixed feelings about 3d printers.
00:42:40 <hsn> i hate 3d printers
00:42:56 <rust_collector> they are sort of cool, but I have not found anything I would use one for
00:43:13 <hsn> cool if someone is printing for me :D
00:43:27 <hsn> but me doing all that job? i hate it !
00:43:53 <rust_collector> you mean drawing the thing?
00:44:05 <hsn> what does it mean load current 5-40mA !! https://snipboard.io/uxGirc.jpg
00:45:23 <rust_collector> I guess the load current is between 5 and 40 mA, if you want it to behave?
00:45:41 <rust_collector> I dunno? what is it?
00:45:47 <hsn> this is 2 wire switch
00:46:13 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/eUlTPG.jpg
00:46:53 <hsn> but, if it has 1mA leakage.. then the load should be 1mA to 40mA .? !
00:46:53 <MrMobodies> I carry some hard drives, laptop, converters, power supplies tools. and I geto learn on it
00:48:03 <MrMobodies> oops I mean lean on it whilst on the train
00:53:46 <rust_collector> https://smp.vgc.no/v2/images/12109809-3e43-4561-a7e6-7c8a72e7aa5e?fit=crop&h=600&w=800&s=2e53b442fa7a12115350972056d02582d2ee4f46
00:54:16 <rust_collector> this truck was tired, and laid down for a nap
00:54:20 <MrMobodies> Politi, police?
00:54:25 <rust_collector> yes
00:55:47 <MrMobodies> anyone ever had an intermittent fault with their telephone cabling outside?
00:56:05 <rust_collector> yeah.
00:56:17 <MrMobodies> this one has been going for 3 months
00:56:24 <rust_collector> not mine-mine, but I have fixed a few lines
00:56:33 <MrMobodies> these are underground
00:56:40 <MrMobodies> so they had to dig last time
00:56:58 <rust_collector> yeah. good times
00:57:03 <MrMobodies> it is nice when you got a leg to stand on
00:57:05 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/zFmtdAH.jpg
00:57:28 <hsn> the dude
00:57:30 <hsn> :D
00:57:48 <MrMobodies> I am going have BT OpenReach run a new cable from the manhole cover. I don't know where it is and that could be damaged
00:58:03 <rust_collector> hook it up to a welder, so you are sure it is properly toasted, then they might fix it
00:58:18 <MrMobodies> I could have done that when I moved in
00:58:28 <MrMobodies> being on business they would have to go the full works
00:58:50 <MrMobodies> on residential broadband they don't seem to want to know
00:59:37 <MrMobodies> when it is all setup I'll have it send email alerts to my ISP
00:59:54 <MrMobodies> as they call everytime I notify them with the pictures and graphs
01:00:08 <MrMobodies> I mean when the lines drop
01:01:27 <rust_collector> it has to be 10 years since I pulled all the telephone wire out of this house
01:02:04 <rust_collector> it was a pretty good sized ball of cable
01:02:07 <MrMobodies> an engineer pulled one down in my previous house to take the only pairs left.
01:02:27 <MrMobodies> So when I went from VM TO vdsl, they spent most of the day running new cables on the poles
01:02:49 <MrMobodies> so that was good at the time
01:03:10 <MrMobodies> I did insist they replaced it but te line it wasn't there anymore.
01:04:04 <MrMobodies> In 1999 BT wanted £300 and blamed us for damage. We refused and they cut us off, so went to Cable and Wireless and cabinet was down the street.
01:04:35 <MrMobodies> engineer who cut down said they don't use that kind of cable anymore... obviously aluminium.
01:10:39 <rust_collector> I have a reason to believe that error 40 on this washing machine means the door is not closed
01:14:31 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
01:18:04 <rust_collector> heh, even his Quit message is in some weird dialect
01:29:09 <K> Perkele!
01:29:46 <rust_collector> ei hiuksille
01:29:51 <rust_collector> I think
01:31:01 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/bFvndL.jpg << this should work to detect failure of the fuse right ?
01:32:47 <hsn> generally, if the right values where used .. single rail amp no -V ..
01:41:49 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suter_(computer_program)
01:43:46 <DHess_US> hsn, yes but not well
01:44:18 <hsn> what is the weak point in it ?
01:46:16 <DHess_US> It is complicated, It has a region of uncertainty.
01:49:52 <hsn> DHess_US is it complicated related to PTC fuse or the circuit it self?
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01:59:59 <rust_collector> tjo-bing!
02:03:44 <Ysjoelfir> back from that annoyingly loud AC source.. Ears are ringing.. timt to quit work for today :X
02:04:53 <DHess_US> hsn, there are just ways to do it with fewer parts and better reliability.
02:05:07 <hsn> ok,, thanks..
02:05:10 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and pulsonix lost the connection to the license server so it decided to stop the rendering process ._. yaaaaaaaaay. Happiness. Eternal peace.
02:05:21 <rust_collector> yeah, I would say so. I quit working with that annoyingly annoying volvo about 45 minutes before you had your lunch
02:05:49 <Ysjoelfir> <-- steps into his not annoying volvo soon after logging off from the work pc <3
02:06:19 <hsn> Ysjoelfir thats stupid these softwares should keep on at least 3 hours after they loss connection :) !!
02:06:46 <hsn> so 100 engineers can use them simultiniously with disconnected pcs :D
02:07:12 <Ysjoelfir> well, if it would be able to reconnect that would be ok for me. but it isn't
02:07:39 <rust_collector> it also does not sound like it would be able to do much in just 3 hours, lol
02:08:39 <hsn> :D that time is not for it self to complete the job.. that time is for u to solve the connection issue hahaha
02:09:45 <Ysjoelfir> as far as just doing pcb layout work - you can work with it, no problems there. I actually like the library system a bit more than that of altium. but in respect to performance and workflow it is just bad.
02:09:45 <hsn> i dont know the software but from ur discription u would reduce vias in the design just to render :D
02:10:00 <rust_collector> I am glad I am not the license server for that thing with 100 engineers trying to log in for 3 hours
02:10:11 <Ysjoelfir> would you feel penetratet?
02:10:43 <Ysjoelfir> (I expect Ampera and T3sl4 to come out of their holes right now after I wrote the word "penetrated")
02:11:06 <hsn> DHess_US thanks.. another question we discussed about transistor surge protection.. im planning to replace this zener: https://snipboard.io/jMF7KO.jpg
02:11:21 <rust_collector> butt, how would they know?
02:12:10 <K> that is a strange question to ass-k
02:12:25 <hsn> with this one: https://snipboard.io/FyClrX.jpg ,,, but then i need to put some big tvs on 5v rail right?
02:12:32 <hsn> TVS**
02:16:33 <DHess_US> Only if the current can be high enough to pull the 5 volt supply higher.
02:17:04 <DHess_US> Usually it is not a problem because the possible current is not high enough.
02:17:35 <DHess_US> Also, short the emitter to the base instead of to the collector.
02:18:23 <DHess_US> When a tvs across the 5 volt rail would be needed, then they usually use a different protection circuit.
02:18:38 <hsn> if its a 8/20uS surge it will have surge current right?
02:19:46 <DHess_US> For instance a TVS is used as a zener shunt regulator to ground to make a separate 5 volt reference and the protection diode is tied to that.
02:24:47 <hsn> so like this: https://snipboard.io/7EYpFX.jpg ??
02:26:12 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
02:27:44 <DHess_US> hsn, exactly
02:28:06 <DHess_US> R2 probably needs to be lower value
02:28:21 <hsn> why?
02:28:32 <hsn> whats wrong with putting it high
02:28:43 <DHess_US> You need to pull it high harder.
02:29:07 <DHess_US> Otherwise the leakage through the TVS will pull the collector lower.
02:29:25 <hsn> ohh
02:29:27 <hsn> right
02:29:42 <hsn> clear sir.
02:29:59 <hsn> and this tvs will have clamping voltage at some peak current
02:30:51 <hsn> that voltage should not go to the 5v rail thats why R2 should be high but not soo high that TVS will leak and pull down the collector
02:30:53 <hsn> right ?
02:38:11 <T3sl4> hi
02:39:05 <K> drop bear?
02:40:02 <Ampera> Phone IRC
02:40:19 <Ampera> Shit is trash
02:40:42 <rust_collector> I had to give up that stuff
02:41:00 <hsn> hi there T3sl4
02:41:08 <rust_collector> it could work if I had a keyboard, I guess
02:41:10 <hsn> Hello there
02:41:13 <DHess_US> hsn, yes, but even if the voltage goes above the 5 volt rail that should be acceptable because of the higher resistance in series with the operational amplifier input.
02:42:12 <T3sl4> hsn: yeah the https://snipboard.io/jMF7KO.jpg is better, mind that there aren't 3.3V TVSs, they clamp about the same as 5V ones anyway
02:42:12 <Ampera> It's because this client is trash and they all are
02:42:28 <T3sl4> but a 1N5231B will do fine, it's just absorbing ESD i suppose?
02:42:39 <Ampera> It's refusing to let me message *backlog, so I can't get my znc backlog
02:42:48 * T3sl4 chuds Ampera
02:43:15 <rust_collector> I used irssi. it is irssi. the keyboard is what annoyed me
02:43:19 * Ampera licks T3sl4
02:43:24 <K> chuds?
02:43:38 <Ampera> This is some client called Revolution IRC
02:43:58 <Ampera> I'm only using it because I'm too lazy to put ssh keys on this phone
02:44:08 <T3sl4> K: Canibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller
02:44:14 <Ampera> Maybe I'll do it when I'm on the train
02:44:45 <Ampera> In other news I'm at the train station
02:44:58 <hsn> DHess_US, i actually ment that transistor diode will forward the (high voltage) to the 5v rail which has other sensative components .. so thats why i put R2 high and then you told me about it being to high will make that rail low because of TVS leakage..
02:45:14 <Ampera> With a suitcase, backpack, and skateboard
02:45:31 <rust_collector> Ampera, can you take some pics of old industrial looking buildings? (if you see any)
02:45:47 <Ampera> In Hartford?
02:45:55 <rust_collector> well, anywhere really
02:45:59 <Ampera> Why
02:46:05 <rust_collector> I just like them.
02:46:20 <rust_collector> old brick walls and stuff
02:46:21 <hsn> T3sl4, why its better, TVS will have leakage.. so thats why trying to do this with forward clamping to a rail ?
02:46:25 <Ampera> I suppose if I can manage to see one and get the phone out in time
02:46:47 <Ampera> My train leaves at around 11:10
02:46:51 <Ampera> Maybe
02:46:51 <hsn> Ampera EEVBlog bot has commands ?
02:46:59 <hsn> /help
02:47:06 <hsn> man EEVBlog
02:47:10 <Ampera> Eevblog help
02:47:14 <T3sl4> 5V+ diodes dont have horrible leakage, and it doesn't look like you're doing anything very precise
02:47:24 <Ampera> (and it will message you)
02:47:28 <rust_collector> it is not very important, and it does not have to happen now, but if you do see an old building, that was built to do something, please take a pic
02:49:03 <hsn> T3sl4 you are right, i just dont want to make calibration offset at production time.. i know other people who use this circuit do calibration value for each controller and unit they produce.
02:49:39 <K> rust_collector, specify "old"
02:50:13 <hsn> (this circuit) sorry,, (i ment this water sensing method)
02:50:26 <K> hsn, cant you do self-calibration somehow?
02:51:24 <rust_collector> I guess from the 60's and older. it is not very important, but well used and dirty is good. Like train repair shops, and...things
02:52:01 <hsn> K, maybe... i think this might also require some step so an operator will put water into the electrodes and then the controller does self calibration .. idk yet
02:55:32 <K> hm
02:55:46 <K> rust_collector, like - insides of them?
02:56:10 <rust_collector> no, just outside.
02:56:19 <rust_collector> Well, if you want...
02:58:59 <DHess_US> Another way to clamp it at the +5 volt supply is to use a PNP transistor with the base connected to +5 volt, the collector connected to ground, and the emitter connected to the clamp point.
02:59:42 <T3sl4> which is how logic ICs do it
02:59:42 <DHess_US> Now the clamp voltage is 5 volts + Vce saturation which will typically be 0.3 volts or less.
03:00:08 <T3sl4> emitter still saturates a Vbe away
03:00:15 <DHess_US> Oh, that's right.
03:00:49 <DHess_US> Well, there is a way to fix that with a diode and resistor at the base to hold the base 1 Vbe below +5 volts.
03:01:15 <DHess_US> Which I have seen done for exactly that reason.
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03:01:44 <DHess_US> leakage can be questionable though.
03:04:06 <T3sl4> in my experience, the emitter is rather leaky above 3-4V, so you're not saving anything over a zener
03:04:29 <T3sl4> inverted mode is great though, as long as you have enough base current to deal with the pitiful hFE
03:04:47 <DHess_US> Too bad you cannot buy bipolar chopper transistors anymore.
03:04:51 <T3sl4> yeah
03:05:14 <DHess_US> The emitter leakage is solvable but it takes more parts.
03:05:46 <T3sl4> that again makes the prebiased clamp unfavorable, but if you don't mind fault currents pulling higher (they will anyway because of resistance), you can still use a clamp diode into VCC
03:06:03 <DHess_US> Add a low leakage diode in series and another diode at the base to pull the base to Vsupply - 2Vbe
03:06:50 <T3sl4> how much resistance or cost does the low leakage diode have? :P
03:07:00 <DHess_US> That's the usual way. I usually see the transistor way in micropower circuits which need protection but the supply cannot absorb the fault current.
03:07:25 <DHess_US> Not much and cheap if it is another transistor. Or use a 2N4117/A
03:07:27 <T3sl4> that's one situation where a inverted diode-strapped BJT is quite good, you don't have to worry about hFE
03:07:34 <T3sl4> JFETs are all resistance, eww
03:07:54 <T3sl4> it's my understanding, PADs are diode strapped JFETs already, so suffer the same problem
03:08:15 <DHess_US> Yes, they have good conductance but the junction is small.
03:08:58 <DHess_US> I usually use 2N3904 CB junctions.
03:09:03 <T3sl4> diode strapped BJTs tend to be best, as far as i know, but are never specified as such, so it's a matter of test vs off the shelf
03:09:37 <DHess_US> Yes, the 2N4117/A has the advantage of being tested.
03:18:32 <hsn> i love this discussion
03:18:41 <hsn> although i understand 10% of it xD
03:21:38 <DHess_US> https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/01/13/iowa-courts-david-ostrom-requests-trial-combat-swords-settle-dispute/4456079002/
03:22:52 <DHess_US> T3sl4, sometimes you will see two base-emitter junctions in series so half the capacitance, fast, and higher breakdown voltage.
03:23:26 <T3sl4> yeah
03:24:48 <Ampera> Well my source of internet drove away
03:24:56 <Ampera> but I'm on the first train now
03:25:02 <DHess_US> Used to be able to buy 20 volt 0.5ns low leakage diodes. :(
03:25:03 <Ampera> which is just a shuttle
03:25:17 * Ampera does an ollie over T3sl4
03:25:40 * T3sl4 oops Ampera
03:26:23 <hsn> ok yes i understand 70% of that stuff after reading 3 times and drawing it and discovering that (collector emitter of pnp is not same as npn) ..
03:28:18 <hsn> ok i've to go bye
03:28:21 <Ampera> my phone's ssh client doesn't support ed25519 keys
03:28:23 * hsn signing off
03:28:26 <Ampera> so I'll have to get a different one
03:28:27 <T3sl4> o/
03:28:49 <Ampera> it always pisses me off when ssh clients and servers just expect everyone to use RSA
03:29:25 <Ampera> I wanna be current dammit
03:29:39 * Ampera sends a current directly into T3sl4
03:30:18 * T3sl4 shocks Ampera's phone into supporting keys
03:30:45 <T3sl4> i tried flipping bits, but all i ended up doing was flipping shit
03:32:46 <Ampera> this train's wlan keeps dropping me (it did it 3 times trying to type this message))
03:33:01 <Ampera> so I'll just shut down this tablet
03:33:11 <Ampera> probably grappling for 3G signals in bumblefuck nowhere
03:43:29 <DHess_US> If you have a good VPN, then you can survive short loss of connections.
03:43:43 <DHess_US> A good VPN will preserve connection state.
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04:41:17 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
04:42:04 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> no i did not. u lie.
04:42:14 <rust_collector> quitter!
04:42:25 <rust_collector> I guess Ampera will ban you a bit now
04:42:35 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> :O
04:42:42 <rust_collector> YAAY!!!
04:42:59 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> i thought ampera likes me :(
04:43:06 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe
04:44:20 <rust_collector> It looks like my breakfast grandiosa is done in a few minutes
04:45:01 <rust_collector> I did plan on eating it before going to work tomorrow
04:45:05 <rust_collector> but...
04:45:31 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> but?
04:45:49 <rust_collector> but as it is almost done, I guess I wil leat it now
04:46:22 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> oh. yeah, that sounxs reasonable
04:46:59 <rust_collector> Butt now I have to figure out something to have for breakfast
04:47:08 <rust_collector> I do not want noodles again
04:49:19 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> bread with sjokade?
04:49:33 <rust_collector> no thanks
04:50:12 <rust_collector> maybe a caviar/cheese sandwich
04:50:36 <rust_collector> which sounds really nice, if you don't know about our cheapened version
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04:51:18 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> that would be?
04:51:26 <rust_collector> kaviar
04:52:03 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> i did never try it. is it that bad?
04:55:09 <rust_collector> no, I eat it a lot. but it is not like fancy caviar
04:55:26 <rust_collector> it is mixed with potato flakes and all kinds of crap
04:55:51 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> that doesnt sound too bad
04:56:02 <rust_collector> I like to use it as cheese glue
05:04:27 <rust_collector> hmm, a mini axe could be useful
05:06:11 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> for?
05:06:41 <rust_collector> mmh, things you woul duse an axe for, just smaller, I guess
05:08:19 <Ysjoelfir-Mancave> cant argue that
05:08:54 <rust_collector> street axing. for your urban jungle..things
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06:16:48 <MrMobodies> to fight the cold I just had soup with garlic and vegetables
06:17:46 <MrMobodies> the pressure in my head has gone for now
06:19:06 <Ysjoelfir> Sounds great. :)
06:19:48 <MrMobodies> it is stormy out there the trees look like they're bending too far
06:20:53 <Ysjoelfir> i like stormy weather. where do you live?
06:21:26 <MrMobodies> in Cambridgeshire
06:24:04 <MrMobodies> Many trees in the garden and surrounded by connifers
06:25:39 <MrMobodies> they do two things, privacy and block out many of the horrible street lightning. I am hopeing they will grow higher to block rest out.
06:26:16 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very nice :)
06:35:43 <MrMobodies> I have noticed any snails or slugs. In my old property they were there all year round.
06:36:03 <MrMobodies> maybe it is the stones
07:20:44 <Ampera> finally on the last train
07:39:49 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a plate of fried eggs, bacon, toast, and syrup fried sausage
07:42:27 <Ampera> I could do for some garlic soup
07:42:34 <Ampera> pass on the vegetables, but garlic sounds delicious
07:42:40 <Ysjoelfir> I would totally support that.
07:42:42 <Ampera> maybe with some soba
07:42:44 <Ysjoelfir> when do you arrive home?
07:43:04 <Ampera> about 4 hours from now or so
07:43:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats still a bit
07:44:13 <Ampera> my brother is quite strange with garlic, he'll eat it raw straight off the clove
07:45:12 <Ampera> I should install an ebook reader on my server
07:45:15 <Ampera> or rather some ebooks
07:48:22 <Ysjoelfir> I do that, but only to put it onto bread, in fine slices. the whole thing.. nah, thats to much
07:48:36 <Ysjoelfir> I have... some.. ebooks on my nas
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08:24:30 <PsySc0rpi0n> Hello peeps
08:24:30 <EEVBlog> Hello there, PsySc0rpi0n!
08:24:40 <PsySc0rpi0n> Hello EEVBlog
08:24:49 <PsySc0rpi0n> How are you EEVBlog bot
08:24:51 <PsySc0rpi0n> ?
08:25:05 <PsySc0rpi0n> Guys, I need a help
08:25:06 <Ampera> I'm log onto it and talk to you, but I'm on a train
08:25:17 <Ampera> and it's a minor miracle that I can get on IRC at all
08:25:47 <PsySc0rpi0n> I am trying to replace 2 components of a steam iron
08:25:59 <PsySc0rpi0n> one is a thermal cut-off
08:26:08 <Ampera> a clothes iron?
08:26:36 <PsySc0rpi0n> and the other is a fixed temperatur bimetallic thermostat
08:26:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes
08:26:59 <PsySc0rpi0n> But as it is obvious, this is my first attempt to repair anything
08:27:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> So I also asked in eevblog forum and someone explained to me (more or less) how the thing is supposed to work
08:27:32 <PsySc0rpi0n> In my case, my steam iron
08:27:37 <PsySc0rpi0n> is not only a steam iron
08:27:38 <Ampera> bimetallic strips are easy
08:28:07 <PsySc0rpi0n> it also has a water container that is pressurized so that a considerable amount of steam is always avaialble
08:28:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> it's almost an industrial one
08:28:21 <Ampera> ooo, nice
08:28:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> it's not only the appliance that you carry in your hand you know?
08:28:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> Let me paste here a link to a picture
08:29:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.sonicdirect.co.uk/images/XL/DG8960.jpg
08:29:48 <Ampera> oh that looks quite nice
08:29:58 <PsySc0rpi0n> And what I'm trying to replace is the container thermostat and the cut-off thing
08:30:08 <PsySc0rpi0n> that are attached to the heating element of that container
08:30:32 <Ampera> How does the cutout thermostat work?
08:30:36 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm saying this because there is a second heating element in the appliance you carry in your hand when you're doing your cloth
08:31:07 <PsySc0rpi0n> here is a picture of a similar steam iron
08:31:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> it's guts, I mean
08:31:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/5041711200_1520961022.jpg
08:32:02 <PsySc0rpi0n> this is also a picture of the heating element and the 2 components I'm trying to replace
08:32:06 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/repair-a-steam-iron/?action=dlattach;attach=905496
08:32:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> The problem is that I have already ordered the thermal cut-off
08:32:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> because I coul find a reference to be able to find it online
08:33:08 <PsySc0rpi0n> but I can't find a reference for the round component, stated in the above picture as the Fixed Temperture Bimetallic Thermostat
08:34:06 <PsySc0rpi0n> The only thing I can see written in this round element is 't-key'
08:34:30 <PsySc0rpi0n> well, about the working mode I'll quote what was explained to me in eevblog forum
08:34:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> will be better than trying to explain it by myself
08:34:57 <Ysjoelfir> try searching for "klixon".
08:35:19 <PsySc0rpi0n> Thermaster device is a thermal cut-off. It goes open circuit when its sensing plate reaches a specified temperature (set by the melting point of the solder that lies between the plate and the sprung contact). The large surface area of the sensing plate and contact means that the current passing through the device is unlikely to heat it up sufficiently to trip it.
08:35:54 <PsySc0rpi0n> Ysjoelfir: does these devices has any rated values of current, power or temperature?
08:36:07 <PsySc0rpi0n> Because the Thermal cut-off is rated at 308ºC
08:36:29 <Ysjoelfir> usually those are rated for 16A. the temperature depends on the thermal cutoff you buy.
08:36:57 <Ysjoelfir> I admit, 308°C is rather high. I didn't come across such high values, the highest I worked with were... 192?
08:38:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> The thermal cut-off is likelly to be a Thermaster TC308F or something like that
08:38:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> see this pic:
08:38:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31eUr7IuhoL.jpg
08:38:55 <PsySc0rpi0n> And I found a profuct catalog of this manufacturer Thermaster
08:39:47 <PsySc0rpi0n> this is the catalog for the thermaster cut-off
08:39:51 <PsySc0rpi0n> http://thermaster.com/PP135350-TF2.pdf
08:40:19 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm just not sure if the nominal values are exactly the same
08:40:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> then, there is this other Thermaster element that looks like the round one I'm now looking for
08:40:48 <PsySc0rpi0n> http://thermaster.com/dt7.pdf
08:44:35 <Ysjoelfir> I was talking about the round one
08:45:26 <PsySc0rpi0n> Ysjoelfir: so you think I can replace it by one from that manufacturer?
08:45:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> I just don't know what values I should look for
08:46:27 <Ysjoelfir> basically you can take whatever fits. you shoud think about how that thing works. A klixon can work independently, switching the thing on and off by itself. if there isn't any control circuitry inside, it could well be that this is controllung the heat of the steam
08:46:58 <Ysjoelfir> so you would chose one that keeps the thermo element well above steam temperature
08:47:03 <Ysjoelfir> like, 120°
08:47:07 <PsySc0rpi0n> There are 2 components working to control temperature and safety
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08:47:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> You seen the pictures I posted here?
08:47:48 <Ysjoelfir> yes
08:47:51 <PsySc0rpi0n> at least this one
08:47:54 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/repair-a-steam-iron/?action=dlattach;attach=905496
08:47:59 <PsySc0rpi0n> ups
08:48:05 <PsySc0rpi0n> maybe you can't open that link
08:48:20 <Ysjoelfir> I can
08:48:54 <PsySc0rpi0n> ok, nice
08:49:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I said - it seems like it is a completely passive controlled device. the klixon controlls the temperature (so you should chose a fitting temp) and the other one cuts off in case the klixon dies and it heats indefinitely
08:49:14 <Ysjoelfir> basically like the old coffee machines
08:49:19 <Ysjoelfir> just with other temperatures
08:49:23 <PsySc0rpi0n> yeah
08:49:25 <PsySc0rpi0n> that's it
08:49:36 <PsySc0rpi0n> So, you say the range of 190ºC fits?
08:49:40 <PsySc0rpi0n> Or how can I mak sure?
08:50:48 <Ysjoelfir> I would go below. it produces steam, right? so 120 would be ok. (iirc 119 is the next common value?)but those things aren't expensive, you can always buy several and try them out.
08:52:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> ok, I'm trying to find them in Klixon site
08:52:41 <PsySc0rpi0n> Do you know any manufacturer from Europe?
08:52:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm in Europe
08:52:52 <Ysjoelfir> where are you from exactly?
08:53:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> Portugal
08:53:54 <PsySc0rpi0n> No one knows Portugal
08:53:55 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol
08:54:08 <Ampera> how does nobody know what Portugal is
08:54:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> We own no major manufacturers...
08:54:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> because we are only a stain in Europe tail
08:54:32 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol
08:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> whats that? never heard from it ;-P ok, no idea about that area, sorry :( In germany I would buy from one of the many coffee machine shops like comtra.de
08:54:52 <Ampera> lol coffee machine shop
08:55:20 <Ampera> I forgot that there are parts of the world that have actually decent machines
08:55:29 <Ampera> not plastic lumps of shit
08:55:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> Ysjoelfir: you're in Germany?
08:56:16 <Ysjoelfir> did you know that i sold those machines some time ago, when you got a decent profit from it? :) the good old Saeco Royal Professional and Royal Cappuccino were my main selling thing
08:56:25 <Ysjoelfir> yes i'm in germany
08:56:52 <PsySc0rpi0n> Rowenta is (what I think) one emajor brand of home appliances
08:57:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> Rowenta is the brand of the iron we have been talking about
08:57:23 <PsySc0rpi0n> And it is German brand
08:57:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol
08:57:38 <PsySc0rpi0n> They don't give profit nowadays?
08:59:00 <Ysjoelfir> no, not anymore. I bought them broken, fixed them and sold them for a pretty penny. around 500 to 600€ a piece (buying them for 50€)
08:59:11 <Ysjoelfir> sure, it was much work to do, but it was worth it
08:59:38 <Ampera> I want to see one day if I can find a coffee I like.
08:59:50 <Ysjoelfir> nowadays the "good" machines sell broken für 250 and in working condition for 300, since you can get a cheap nasty shit machine for under 300€
08:59:58 <Ysjoelfir> I'm searching for that one too ampera
09:00:35 <Ampera> right now all the coffee I've ever drank caused me to feel sick afterwards
09:00:40 <Ampera> and tasted like ass
09:01:08 <PsySc0rpi0n> My steam iron is about 5 years old
09:01:09 <Ampera> but it might just be because my parents buy pre-ground albrecht's cheapest
09:01:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> and it's a DG8960, to be precise
09:01:38 <PsySc0rpi0n> I paid about 240€ and it was in a promotion
09:02:01 <PsySc0rpi0n> like the seller was offering the tax value which in Portugal is 23%
09:02:14 <Ampera> Precision isn't hitting a guy with a sledgehammer, precision is hitting him in the balls, but not the cock.
09:02:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> So, it was about 1/5 cheaper than the normal price
09:02:51 <Ysjoelfir> nice :D
09:03:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> Ysjoelfir: you think I can replace the one in my steam iron for this one:
09:03:50 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.sensata.com/products/temperature/1nt-12-inch-fixed-temperature-thermostat-open-110c-close-90c-1nt01l-8426
09:04:03 <PsySc0rpi0n> Or this one is not bimetallic?
09:04:37 <PsySc0rpi0n> I mean, the description about it says nothing about being or not bimetallic
09:04:42 <Ysjoelfir> that looks good. :)
09:04:54 <Ysjoelfir> those are all bimetallic, did never find one that is not.
09:05:08 <Ysjoelfir> actually, the term "snap-action" could give you the hint
09:05:47 <PsySc0rpi0n> ok, thank you
09:06:19 <PsySc0rpi0n> I think I'll send an email to them to see if they can sell me like one of each temperature from 100 up to maybe 140ºC
09:06:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> if they are not too expensive
09:06:38 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a plan :)
09:06:43 <PsySc0rpi0n> do they sell to the public or only for resellers and in quantity?
09:08:40 <Ysjoelfir> thats a good question
09:24:48 <T3sl4> Ampera, that sounds quite good
09:25:05 <Ampera> T3sl4, I wish I had some, I just made it up
09:25:13 * T3sl4 nod
09:25:28 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
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09:25:36 <Ampera> I'm still on the long train home
09:26:08 <Ampera> with a terminal connection that makes Bell 101 look impressive
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13:12:00 <Ampera> I am back home
13:12:01 <Ampera> oh hexchat
13:12:04 <Ampera> how I have missed you
13:12:42 <rust_collector> home sweet irc client
13:12:51 <Ampera> aye
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13:48:11 <Ampera> T3sl4, triple chin!
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19:25:16 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
19:27:09 <steve30> meow
19:27:53 <steve30> I'm pondering going for a hair cut later
19:42:14 <steve30> I'm just looking at books on Amazon, since I have a £20 voucher to spend there.
20:06:50 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Lori Garver: Provocative piece by @HowardxBloom - concludes "the space military industrial complex has knifed the US space program in the back". Sadly, I find myself agreeing with many of his points: https://t.co/m6kc8YWQBh via @qz
20:11:48 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
20:11:52 <Halcyon> What books you looking at?
20:13:09 <steve30> I got "Been There. Done That. Try This!: An Aspie's Guide to Life on Earth"
20:15:45 <Halcyon> What's that about?
20:16:00 <steve30> Life on Earth I guess
20:16:08 <steve30> :D
20:16:12 <steve30> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849059640/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
20:17:06 <Halcyon> From the point of view of someone with Aspergers?
20:18:29 <steve30> i think so
20:19:40 <Halcyon> Could be interesting
20:29:23 <steve30> Halcyon, someone wrote in to the paper this week, and described my efforts to get a response out of bus companies as "heroic"
20:29:46 <Halcyon> Oh? Did they see your website?
20:30:02 <steve30> no, I had a letter published in the previous weeks edition
20:30:06 <Halcyon> Ahh
20:30:13 <Halcyon> I wonder if you'll get a response now?
20:30:19 <steve30> doubt it
20:30:35 <Halcyon> Should anonymously send them the newspaper clippings :P
20:36:16 <steve30> "In the meantime we must keep complaining. I know its frustrating: I saw Stephen Coates' account of his heroic attempts, but other correspondents have succeeded, even with offers of free vouchers."
20:36:33 <Halcyon> :)
20:36:35 <Halcyon> You have fans
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21:41:50 <Ysjoelfir> Hi guys :)
21:43:19 <K> hello
21:46:36 <steve30> morning
21:46:58 <steve30> I was thinking about going for a haircut, but I don't really feel like it now
21:52:00 <Ysjoelfir> I hate going to the hair...cutter...guy
21:54:55 <Ysjoelfir> it's only unneccessary costly
21:55:43 <Ysjoelfir> I had my hair long once... that was so nice, easy to take care of, looks always great, no costly visits at the barber thing...
22:01:33 <rust_collector> hey nerds
22:04:22 <Ysjoelfir> hey rusty
22:05:17 <rust_collector> I think mr c should invest in a mirror, comb and scissors
22:06:07 <rust_collector> I do not have the hair problem, because mom cuts it, every 18th of may
22:06:09 <steve30> I sometimes do my own hair, but the barber does a better job
22:06:54 <rust_collector> not to mention my hair is falling off, so I should be done with it in not too long
22:08:28 <rust_collector> The few times I went to a pro hair person, I think both they, and me was annoyed.
22:08:39 <rust_collector> "how do you want your hair?"
22:08:48 <rust_collector> yeah... like. shorter
22:08:57 <steve30> yeah
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22:09:45 <Antarez> hi!
22:09:53 <rust_collector> hey
22:11:46 <Ysjoelfir> [12:08:48] yeah... like. shorter
22:11:51 <Ysjoelfir> Thats the way I go with it, too
22:12:03 <Ysjoelfir> its always like "oh, so do you want your ears free?"
22:12:17 <rust_collector> no, I want them where they are
22:12:20 <Ysjoelfir> erm... well, just immagine it groing backwards. were they free before? yes? so, make them free
22:12:21 <Ysjoelfir> xD
22:12:48 <rust_collector> mom had a tendency to cut my ears. it was not great
22:13:04 <Ysjoelfir> "do you want the front hair to be shorter?" - well... yes? I like to be able to see things
22:13:23 <rust_collector> I want my nose hair on top of my head
22:13:25 <Ysjoelfir> my granny cut my ear before. that was the last time she ever cut hair :( sadly. that was so convenient
22:13:36 <Ysjoelfir> isn't that more like beard?
22:13:41 <Ysjoelfir> so you want a beard on your head?
22:14:09 <rust_collector> No, I just want whatever they can not give me
22:14:53 <Ysjoelfir> well, there is always super glue
22:15:40 <rust_collector> guy at work had hair implants, it was not very expensive either.
22:16:10 <rust_collector> I think he got that done in turkey
22:16:20 <rust_collector> so vacation/hair
22:20:22 <Ysjoelfir> I thought about a beard implant. My father had a realy bushy, hard mustache. I like mustaches, but my facial hair is rather soft and light. But then I thought... naaah, I'm not that peacocky.
22:22:51 <rust_collector> I just have a "beard" because it is boring to shave every day. so I trim it off every few weeks
22:23:16 <steve30> I don't like facial hair
22:24:04 <rust_collector> I would be ok if I did not have it. I do like eyebrows and such, people without them look weird
22:25:33 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like shaving, too, which is the reason for a mustache. you just have to cut it back once in a while when you start eating it.
22:26:27 <Ysjoelfir> the rest of the beard is like... well, it's there, just trim it back once a week so that I don't look like a yeti
22:30:02 <steve30> Kissing guys with beards is weird. Its prickly.
22:31:07 <rust_collector> ok, that makes sense
22:32:16 <rust_collector> same as kissing hungarian women then
22:32:58 <steve30> ooh, I see the house next door has sold
22:33:06 <steve30> I wonder who'll be moving in
22:33:20 <rust_collector> in 664?
22:36:15 <rust_collector> I think "english" houses are interesting to look at. They are pretty different to most I have seen
22:39:25 <steve30> What country are you in>
22:39:26 <steve30> ?
22:39:32 <rust_collector> norway
22:39:37 <steve30> ah
22:41:12 <rust_collector> so, if you have some time, and feel like walking on planks, on piles of cocaine, just drop by. you can have a room downstairs for a few days
22:43:41 <MrMobodies> hello
22:43:41 <rust_collector> ok, time for lunch
22:43:47 <rust_collector> hey
22:44:10 <MrMobodies> line dead... phone call about the 12 static ips for that line. It connected.
22:44:28 <MrMobodies> coincidence
22:44:36 <rust_collector> I think not
22:45:01 <rust_collector> is conspiracy!
22:45:20 <MrMobodies> just like when I suspected over subscription in my old area
22:46:01 <MrMobodies> BT reports other things like "ground earth fault" "shoddy workmanship", nail found in the post etc
22:46:11 <MrMobodies> but things like that they say "fixed".
22:47:29 <rust_collector> yeah, you have to crank up the power, until their devices start smoking
22:48:19 <MrMobodies> Feed high voltage and current to burn out the wires hoping they may have to dig the whole road up.
22:49:29 <rust_collector> I have fiber here, and I have been wondering if I can send messages to them, using a laser pointer or something...
22:50:35 <MrMobodies> put a hidden camera to film the callouts
22:53:07 <MrMobodies> I am still not well at all... I found that bags of cold peas and sweetcorn reduces the pressure
22:54:15 <rust_collector> talking about that, I am just done eating lunch
22:54:50 <MrMobodies> oh sorry to put you off your food.
22:54:50 <rust_collector> so, how many bags of peas do you eat in a day?
22:55:08 <MrMobodies> not every day
22:55:16 <MrMobodies> I just put the bag on my head from the fridgr
22:55:21 <MrMobodies> to reduce the pressure
22:55:36 <rust_collector> arrrgh, it would be much more fun if you had to eat it
22:55:43 <MrMobodies> I have got a tiny bit of Galpseud Linctus plus left and it helped me sleep last night
22:57:43 <rust_collector> back in the day, they would drill a hole in our scull. It could be that they had a point
22:58:02 <MrMobodies> an extra vent
22:59:38 <MrMobodies> I am looking forward to getting back to normal when this is over
23:00:18 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should take the rest of the week off
23:01:00 <MrMobodies> I wanted to do some stuff but I am not in good condition
23:01:08 <MrMobodies> cold body hot head.
23:02:24 <MrMobodies> I got to go out and get some pipes, waste, fittings, new tap, waterproof sealant, and then tidy the workshop up.
23:02:29 <rust_collector> you do not need to be in good condition, doing stuff almost always makes everything better, even if it might not feel like it, when you are doing it
23:02:48 <MrMobodies> I did walk to the shop and burned some litter, which helped
23:11:23 <MrMobodies> that was around the corner but I feel sleepy.
23:11:51 <rust_collector> there is nothing wrong with feeling sleepy. go do something
23:12:15 <MrMobodies> well I am going to look at these static ip's now
23:12:36 <rust_collector> heh, ok then
23:16:16 <rust_collector> I can not think of anything I would want to do less than that, but...
23:36:48 * steve30 cooks a chicken kiev
23:36:58 <rust_collector> oooh
23:42:28 <rust_collector> le fancy
23:44:47 <rust_collector> I still wonder why making long furbys is a thing
23:45:51 <Ysjoelfir> I still wonder that furbys were and are a thing
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