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00:43:49 <hsn> so im looking at some test method for fire smoke classification ..
00:44:01 <hsn> EN ISO 5659-2: 50 kW/m2, without pilot flame << test method
00:44:09 <hsn> and i've this question in mind ..
00:44:35 <hsn> 50kW/m2 ???? << electromagnatic radiation ?
00:45:21 <K> heat prolly
00:45:38 <hsn> prolly = probably?
00:45:44 <K> prolly
00:45:50 <hsn> Did you mean:
00:45:50 <hsn> heat rally
00:45:50 <hsn> heat prickly
00:45:50 <hsn> heat payroll
00:45:53 <hsn> xD
00:46:14 <K> yes.
00:46:30 <hsn> what is heat prolly
00:46:37 <K> heat, probably.
00:46:48 <hsn> ah
00:46:50 <hsn> pl
00:46:57 <hsn> ok
00:47:10 <K> for perspective, electric kettle is 2kW
00:47:24 <hsn> yes
00:47:48 <hsn> shouldnt that kw/m2 should be really jouls?
00:48:46 <hsn> as it can be from non electric source , fire lets say ?
00:49:24 <K> dunno, but it says "without (test) flame"
00:49:29 <K> pilot, evn
00:52:47 <K> https://www.ri.se/en/what-we-do/services/fire-testing-according-en-iso-5659-2-products-trains
00:53:22 <K> ... Analysis is performed for each of the three irradiance levels and amongst others the following substances can be detected through FTIR analysis: Carbon monoxide, Hydrochloric acid, Hydrogen bromide, Hydrogen fluoride, Hydrogen cyanide, Nitrous oxides and Sulphur dioxide.
00:53:32 <K> oof, nasty stuff
00:57:56 <hsn> zero halogen everywhere ..
01:10:39 <rust_collector> BING!
01:13:29 <hsn> BONG!
01:13:55 <rust_collector> ok
01:14:01 <hsn> lmgtfy.com/?q=bing+bong << this thing exist
01:17:47 <hsn> oh rusty
01:18:01 <rust_collector> oh oh oh
01:18:31 <K> go to work, you lazy postman
01:18:49 <rust_collector> eh? I just got back from there+
01:22:12 <K> oh.
01:24:05 <hsn> got u another video .. nothing intresting except that all our tunnels are this long : https://photos.app.goo.gl/ETSdt6yccLD4JXau9
01:24:13 <hsn> skip to 0:45
01:25:30 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YuksosAVTmELGWaS6 < and this one
01:26:45 <rust_collector> that...is not a tunnel
01:27:07 <rust_collector> the first one... well. I would say it is not a tunnel either, but... closer
01:27:26 <hsn> its a tunnel ok stop hurting us
01:28:00 <rust_collector> it is an underpass. you can translate it to tunnel if you like
01:29:04 <hsn> longest one we have probably 3x the length
01:29:21 <K> the king tunnel!
01:30:08 <hsn> and the brightness is damn
01:30:17 <hsn> its 7sh am
01:30:26 <hsn> 8sh *
01:31:15 <hsn> second video u see workers resting under shade
01:31:27 <rust_collector> sensible
01:32:20 <hsn> it gets 37C at 9am
01:32:40 <rust_collector> we have a tunnel on the road to the west side, I think it is 24km or so
01:33:18 <hsn> awesome .. thats 1/3 bahrain length
01:33:19 <hsn> xD
01:33:28 <hsn> no
01:33:37 <hsn> Length 51 km (31.7 mi)
01:33:55 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ-iJH5I9eM
01:34:07 <rust_collector> so, about an hour to drive across?
01:34:29 <hsn> this is one way tunnel ?
01:34:39 <rust_collector> nope
01:34:59 <hsn> rust_collector, except no one is living on west .. so mostly no
01:35:06 <rust_collector> there is that
01:35:54 <hsn> people live here : https://snipboard.io/dbLVSz.jpg
01:36:34 <hsn> that small island on the left is royal family owned also ..
01:37:01 <rust_collector> and the 2 cities to the south... that is ....those other people?
01:42:58 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSsUtPfw_VU
01:42:59 <hsn> no one is there
01:43:04 <rust_collector> good
01:43:12 <hsn> on right .. there is jail
01:43:29 <hsn> and some sort of waste throughing place
01:43:46 <hsn> [18:43] (hsn) on right .. there is jail
01:43:49 <hsn> [18:43] (hsn) and some sort of waste throughing place
01:44:04 <rust_collector> same same
01:46:56 <hsn> rusty that is heaven
01:47:08 <rust_collector> uuh, no
01:47:34 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyPW-Bdd4E
01:48:52 <hsn> second floor heaven
01:49:12 <hsn> there r 7 floors heaven
01:53:37 <rust_collector> uhm, how do I shorten a video?
02:09:57 <hsn> rusty .. which platform
02:10:23 <rust_collector> loonix
02:10:36 <hsn> video editor .. my android comes with google photos which has this edit button
02:10:45 <hsn> that has video cropping
02:11:00 <rust_collector> Ok, I could snip it with ffmpeg... let me see
02:11:08 <hsn> yeah
02:11:22 <hsn> i use whatsapp for small vids
02:11:31 <hsn> does the job
02:11:39 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
02:11:47 <hsn> evenings
02:12:10 <MrMobodies> evening here too
02:12:17 <MrMobodies> I have just finished putting up the lights
02:12:23 <hsn> ./whois ysjoelfir
02:12:27 <MrMobodies> in the cupboard
02:12:37 <MrMobodies> 5 bulbs as it is narrow with dips in there
02:12:45 <hsn> ikea ?
02:12:58 <MrMobodies> no a cowboy built this one
02:13:07 <hsn> nice
02:13:08 <MrMobodies> before it was a white elephant that i wanted to knock down
02:13:22 <MrMobodies> door not level, nothing is level in there but my plans are materializing
02:13:28 <Ysjoelfir> its me hsn
02:13:36 <MrMobodies> I have the ups outside that will power the lights when working on he fusebox
02:13:40 <hsn> noticed
02:13:42 <hsn> [19:12] ** Real name: Kai
02:13:48 <Ysjoelfir> :O
02:14:00 <MrMobodies> I can read he meter without kneeling down a distance away
02:14:25 <MrMobodies> I would have thought he would have put at least one light in there before putting the plasterboard over the frame
02:14:58 <MrMobodies> I got looking as bright as a palace so when the shelves go up it will be just right
02:15:41 <MrMobodies> I plan to do a lot with that small space, and it is only 2m by 24cm
02:16:26 <MrMobodies> I am seeing this product a lot on ebay
02:16:27 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Patchsee-The-intelligent-Patch-cord-for-Cat-5e-Cat-6/133449931874
02:16:50 <MrMobodies> but when I look into it further it looks like i have purchase special boots with reflectors
02:17:03 <MrMobodies> so I wonder how can it be intelligent
02:17:21 <hsn> one thing i learned
02:17:48 <hsn> intelligents are for non-intelligents
02:18:04 <hsn> if u know wht i mean
02:18:23 <MrMobodies> I see, that is intelligent but the users using it are not going to be intelligent and those that are won't need them and just use a label
02:18:43 <hsn> #AI #the_cloud
02:19:12 <MrMobodies> maybe I should post that in dodgy technology
02:19:42 <hsn> maybe some people get higher sales or somthing with that word ..
02:20:38 <K> tf is that
02:20:46 <MrMobodies> they are going quite cheap on ebay in all forms and sizes
02:20:57 <MrMobodies> maybe that is why, but to me it is just a light
02:21:57 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T05jnDpePU
02:22:01 <K> that thing looks like something you could put up you know where
02:22:08 <MrMobodies> it look the cables have optics in them
02:22:17 <MrMobodies> for tracing
02:22:56 <MrMobodies> but looking at a distance back might not see the light
02:23:07 <K> useless.
02:23:41 <MrMobodies> It looks like something that will be for a very niche purpose
02:24:49 <MrMobodies> but I don't think it is intelligent, just a small convenience with the optics for that niche purpose.
02:25:18 <Ysjoelfir> I have seen cables like that before. its... pretty useless indeed as most switches allow you to identify cables in software
02:25:24 <K> i would classify that as a gimmick
02:26:55 <MrMobodies> one benefit, cable doesn't have to be disconnected but when there are many lights and a distance away, may not see it.
02:27:13 <MrMobodies> lights from elsewhere
02:28:02 <MrMobodies> and I couldn't use more than one if they have the same light colour
02:30:27 <hsn> so how they identify cable
02:31:22 <MrMobodies> they have that optic in them to see the light at the other end of the cable
02:31:57 <MrMobodies> the only benefit I can see if tracing the cable without disconnected it and putting a wand there
02:32:39 <MrMobodies> sounds like it is for a niche purpose
02:34:26 <MrMobodies> maybe good for those who don't label their cables for whatever reason.
02:42:56 <hsn> ysjoelfir, look at the project at 1:00 .. https://youtu.be/0ng--2sqdDo .. i had this idea with slider mobile with some speed acceleration interface for content creators
02:44:46 <hsn> so some single axis , phone / camera holder with motor to control it .. i think it will make good sale on ebay , etc
02:45:24 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aadRj8sMXw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkvbhZkKxw
02:45:32 <Ysjoelfir> that could well be worth a try I think
02:47:57 <hsn> boring 1
02:48:32 <rust_collector> yeah, and the rest is boring2
02:48:42 <hsn> they are intresting when 2x speed
02:50:02 <rust_collector> so, that is all the way from the south-western part of oslo, and pretty much thru the city, to the north.
02:50:26 <rust_collector> there are a few tunnels there too, as you have some interest in those things
02:51:07 <hsn> boring 2 ---> 4:55 ---> and thats why i never dare to cross roundabout near a truck
02:52:14 <rust_collector> it is no big problem, I guess you could hear the bmw, but you do not really notice all that much
02:53:34 <hsn> what u mean
02:54:19 <rust_collector> you get used to the sound. but it feels like running over a cat or something.
02:54:26 <hsn> they take 2 sides at turns and if im there .. they will sandwich me :D
02:54:33 <rust_collector> right
02:55:01 <hsn> haha did u ever? sandwiched?
02:55:12 <rust_collector> hmmm. not like that
02:55:27 <hsn> ampera would be proud of u
02:55:35 <Ampera> proud of what
02:55:36 <rust_collector> no Ysjoelfir I do not need your german take on that
02:55:37 <Ampera> I am proud of nobody
02:55:40 <Ampera> you are all grave disappointments
02:55:42 <Ampera> all of you
02:55:50 <Ysjoelfir> ok
02:56:03 <rust_collector> perverts
02:56:12 <hsn> :D .. ampera u be proud of rusty sandwiching somone
02:56:50 * Ampera sneezes at hsn
02:57:29 <hsn> thanks
02:57:42 <hsn> wait i picture u my briani
02:57:54 <hsn> biryani
02:58:40 <rust_collector> bir... that is like... either bread, of some other.. uuh. food-like thing
02:59:07 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/iYtkr1izezL5u9YSA
02:59:25 <hsn> chicken biryani
02:59:40 <rust_collector> WHOOOOOAAAA!
02:59:42 <hsn> ah the chilli
02:59:49 <rust_collector> where is the other half of it?
03:00:35 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HBiAVNh5S7GpTb7W7
03:00:42 <rust_collector> so, chinken, rice, spicy things, almonds...and...?
03:00:51 <coppice> is your chicken biryani veggie or non-veggie? (yes, I have been asked this question by room service in India)
03:01:43 <rust_collector> give me a vegan grilled cow
03:02:07 <Ampera> hsn, B A Y L E E F
03:02:08 <rust_collector> hsn, I mean the rest of the...
03:02:15 <Ampera> on closer inspection that's a pepper
03:02:19 <coppice> be careful what you serve there, the stakes are high
03:02:22 <Ampera> I am even more disappointed
03:02:48 <Ampera> coppice, the steaks are even higher
03:02:59 <hsn> potato , different spices, onion, greens, idk
03:03:40 <coppice> Ampera: shhhh, jspiros will complain about these puns
03:03:40 <Ampera> I had McDonald's because I haven't had it in a while
03:03:45 <rust_collector> I could eat that stuff, but I would probably have to order from the grown up menu
03:04:11 <Ampera> coppice, maybe I should program some insane payload into the eevbot in the event he ever comes here
03:04:19 <Ampera> I doubt he will, but that would be a neat surprise some day if he did
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03:28:12 <hsn> fck macdonald
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03:29:55 <rust_collector> I have to agree.
03:32:24 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
03:32:34 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
03:36:10 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/ySW8Cat
03:47:51 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/VFQf1Yn.jpeg
03:51:04 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing?
03:51:12 <ThunderSqueak> good, think I got a job
03:51:12 <ThunderSqueak> :D
03:51:14 <Ampera> How is the job hunt going
03:51:16 <Ampera> Ah that's brilliant
03:51:21 <Ampera> are you at liberty to say what?
03:52:12 * T3sl4 gives ThunderSqueak a hug
03:52:37 <T3sl4> Ampera, yes, and then she'll kill you, it's win-win
03:53:21 <Ampera> T3sl4, nice, professional hitman
03:54:28 <K> a nice, professional hitman
03:54:40 * Ampera hits K
03:55:16 <ThunderSqueak> job in IT, supervisor role
03:55:23 <Ampera> oh nice
03:55:26 <Ampera> what sort of environment?
03:55:27 <T3sl4> careful, you'll ionize 'em
03:55:52 * Ampera dissolves T3sl4
03:56:08 <ThunderSqueak> large office
03:56:53 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, ah so Windows x86 desktop stuff
03:57:06 <Ampera> Hope you get it, I've always wanted to do IT
03:57:31 <ThunderSqueak> they just need me to figure out which benefit plan I want
03:57:46 <Ampera> Nice, so you pretty much have it?
03:58:15 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, the old person is quitting and is someone I trained ... they asked me if I wanted the job
03:58:25 <ThunderSqueak> I said yes, so they pushed for me to replace them
03:58:32 <T3sl4> nice :)
03:58:48 <ThunderSqueak> funny thing, that person is leaving to go work for another tech that I trained
03:58:48 <ThunderSqueak> XD
03:59:43 <Ampera> My dreams are getting delightfully weird.
03:59:56 <ThunderSqueak> so the other eevblog server, down?
04:00:02 <Ampera> Night before last night I had the strangest dream that I found out my mother wasn't my real mother, even though I know for a fact.
04:00:08 <Ampera> AfterNET? It's up and working fine
04:00:10 <Ampera> I'm on it now
04:00:28 <ThunderSqueak> oh? I dreamed my father was not my real father, and DNA said that he isn't <.<
04:00:32 <ThunderSqueak> dreams are weird
04:00:38 <Ampera> Last night's dream was I had really cute hair that I really liked and wished I had, and I think my face looked nicer too
04:01:07 <Ampera> I look and sound almost identically to my mother, so it'd be pretty astronomically insane if I wasn't related
04:01:30 <ThunderSqueak> ah, I look and sound like my mother too, look nothing like my father
04:01:45 <ThunderSqueak> and people often think my brothers are cousins or something
04:02:03 <Ampera> Last night's dream also had a particularly eccentric part where I was debating if I should cook myself alive on a very large grill
04:02:06 <Ampera> that was quite weird
04:02:23 <Ampera> I love weird dreams, though, I wish I remembered/had more of them
04:02:34 <Ampera> particularly entertaining, it's like VR, but you're also out of it
04:02:42 <T3sl4> heh, between myself and three siblings, only one bears much resemblance to dad
04:02:49 <T3sl4> mom's genes were strong
04:03:13 <Ampera> I have my dad's hair. Incredibly thick and uncooperative, and also all over my damn body like mad
04:03:18 <T3sl4> Ampera: there was a saint who got martyred that way
04:03:40 <Ampera> T3sl4, standing around a grill thinking it might be neat if he just jumped right on it and killed himself?
04:03:50 <T3sl4> uh, sure
04:03:51 <ThunderSqueak> I have very very dark wavy hair
04:03:52 <Ampera> Christianity is weird sometimes...
04:03:59 <ThunderSqueak> very hispanic
04:04:24 <Ampera> My hair is thick like nothing else. I wish I had pin straight hair, though I suppose that's how it always works.
04:04:39 <T3sl4> i forget, do you have some native in you ThunderSqueak?
04:04:40 <Ampera> One wishes for what they don't have, those with straight want curly/wavy
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04:04:54 <ThunderSqueak> T3sl4, yes, almost a third
04:04:54 <T3sl4> similar thing tho
04:05:24 <T3sl4> Ampera: my hair has a gentle curl when it's long, it's pretty nice tbh
04:07:15 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, T3sl4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569072292618043393/727586021277040690/IMG_20190420_041535.jpg
04:07:20 <Ampera> This is what my hair was like when it was longer.
04:07:27 <T3sl4> potato
04:07:29 <Ampera> if you can make it out past the potato that is my camera
04:07:30 <Ampera> aye
04:07:40 <Ampera> that's what happens when you spend 70 bucks on a phone
04:07:41 <T3sl4> nice silky blackness
04:07:53 <T3sl4> thicc indeed
04:08:02 <Ampera> It's browner in person, but you can see the thick, uncooperativeness
04:08:15 <Ampera> I almost thought thinning it out might make it nicer, whenever I have it long again
04:08:18 <rust_collector> at least you have hair
04:08:20 * Ysjoelfir has a very simmilar hair structure
04:08:58 <MrMobodies> Very thick long hair
04:09:20 <MrMobodies> I thought it was wig at first but very good hair
04:09:23 <T3sl4> rust_collector: you just need the right catalyst, something to promote fibrous or whisker-like oxidation
04:09:40 <MrMobodies> you seem to keep it in good condition whereas me I am too lazy
04:10:13 <MrMobodies> I just cut my short and don't bother with the shampoo
04:10:24 <Ampera> This is my mug not long after I cut my hair: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353686162738642945/654523976860827704/IMG_20191211_222231.jpg
04:10:27 <MrMobodies> maybe I should start looking after mine
04:10:37 <Ampera> quite sad that I did cut my hair, was an act of depression
04:10:52 <Ampera> cc T3sl4 / ThunderSqueak
04:10:52 <Ysjoelfir> I like your long hair, it suits you.
04:11:21 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I know right? I've often seen myself as a Jesus figure /j
04:11:26 <ThunderSqueak> lol
04:11:28 <Ysjoelfir> I liked mine, too, but did cut it as well... kind of regret it a bit
04:11:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
04:11:33 <ThunderSqueak> my hair is dyed atm
04:11:44 <ThunderSqueak> well, two toned tbh
04:12:00 <Ampera> I've thought about dying my hair, but it's just not in me at the moment.
04:12:04 <ThunderSqueak> been letting it grow out, so I have dark roots and red ends
04:12:04 <MrMobodies> the long hair does look good than the short one
04:12:11 <Ampera> I particularly like dark reds.
04:12:18 <hsn> isnt this sexy:: https://youtu.be/opsmd5yuBF0
04:12:29 <ThunderSqueak> my hair has to be bleached before I can dye it
04:12:31 <ThunderSqueak> :/
04:12:43 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, presumably it'd depend on the dye
04:12:58 <Ampera> as in not bleaching would produce a dark colour
04:13:30 <hsn> so this long hair guy is u ?
04:13:33 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, but my hair does not take reds well
04:13:36 <Ampera> Yes.
04:13:37 <MrMobodies> hsn, interesting video, reminds me how some flying insects follow others
04:13:53 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, My hair isn't fond of communists either.
04:14:01 <ThunderSqueak> ...
04:14:38 <MrMobodies> I see a joke somewhere or maybe I mistook it
04:14:47 <Ampera> MrMobodies, it was.
04:15:01 <MrMobodies> red colour.... reds... communists
04:15:16 * Ampera gives MrMobodies a cookie
04:15:23 <MrMobodies> * communists are in th red
04:15:48 <MrMobodies> just like a bull chasing someone when wearing red
04:16:05 <MrMobodies> in one of the bull sports
04:16:29 <Ampera> Perhaps that's what happened in Spain...
04:18:15 <steve30> Ampera is cute with long hair
04:18:26 <DL3CE> Good evening ..
04:18:34 <MrMobodies> soft long hair
04:18:37 <Ampera> steve30, you're not wrong, as unfortunately I can't even pray my gay away :/
04:18:41 <MrMobodies> but very firm
04:18:52 <MrMobodies> I saw a video at christmas that someone posted somewhere in Soviet Russia where phones lines were shared
04:19:07 <MrMobodies> and that was communist?
04:19:09 <Ampera> MrMobodies, Trunk lines?
04:19:14 <Ampera> Those existed in the US
04:19:16 <Ampera> all over the world
04:19:29 <Ampera> USSR likely just had more of them because loleconomy
04:19:39 <MrMobodies> lines were also shared in the states? interesting
04:19:57 <MrMobodies> lolecononmy I see
04:20:14 <MrMobodies> So another name for a shared line is a trunk line,
04:20:24 <Ampera> Not all of them, but trunk lines weren't uncommon
04:23:00 <MrMobodies> I see, right there in wikipedia
04:23:01 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunking
04:23:18 <MrMobodies> about cost savings, maybe I never saw them in action before.
04:24:17 <Ampera> I think I might have gotten that term wrong now that you mention it
04:24:26 <Ampera> Trunk lines are main aggregate lines, not shared lines
04:24:30 <Ampera> there's a different term
04:24:40 <Ampera> AH
04:24:45 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_(telephony)
04:24:50 <Ampera> They're called party lines, not trunk lines
04:26:03 <MrMobodies> trunk lines to multiplexing. third part lines are shared lines
04:26:11 <MrMobodies> thanks learn't something new today
04:26:35 <Ampera> Telephone networking is immensely fascinating obsolete knowledge that really shows you how we got to where we are today
04:26:45 <Ampera> It didn't take much for the phone network to turn into the internet
04:26:59 <MrMobodies> I did remember at a boarding schoolk I stayed at
04:27:08 <MrMobodies> they had a phone system there for the entire bulding
04:27:24 <MrMobodies> one person picks up all 10 telephones were engaged but this was for staff onky
04:27:29 <MrMobodies> they had many other lines there
04:27:34 <MrMobodies> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/American_telephone_practice_%281905%29_%2814569629440%29.jpg
04:27:39 <MrMobodies> interesting picture
04:27:46 <Ampera> Yeah that's a beautiful schematic
04:27:56 <Ampera> I wonder how that would have been created/laid out
04:28:08 <MrMobodies> I know of a phone system
04:28:11 <MrMobodies> in 2010
04:28:15 <MrMobodies> going to get it
04:28:20 <Ampera> Graphic work from ye olde always blows my mind
04:28:20 <MrMobodies> I pulled it out of a warehouse
04:31:43 <DL3CE> Stop depressing me further ;)
04:32:50 <Ampera> DL3CE, I depress myself, I can't help it
04:33:29 <DL3CE> I'm sometimes wonder if going into EE was the right choice. I loved it since I was a child, was watching my father soldering and building things before I could even walk. Used his homebrew computer when I was 3 (could load the OS from disk and start the music player). Got my first electronic experiments kit when I was 5 (it was gifted to me by a highschool physics teacher which visited my kindergarten) and the
04:33:30 <DL3CE> real ones at age 6 and then the big one at 8 or 9? So, it seems to have been a clear predisposition to do that. But I'm somewhat "disappointed" by todays technology .. It feels like everything is only geared towards to provide cheap, disposable toys to the plebs and basically tell them that they don't need to understand whats in them and even making that undesirable. I wanted to take pride in designing glorious
04:33:30 <DL3CE> stuff! Stuff like the old test equipment from Tek or HP in the 70s and 80s.
04:33:39 <DL3CE> sorry for long spam ;)
04:34:07 <Ampera> DL3CE, I felt the exact same way myself
04:34:18 <Ampera> which is why I just never pursued EE, it felt like all the magic left the industry
04:34:42 <Ampera> stuff like high end Sony video equipment impressed the shit out of me, where you could have boards and boards of nothing but ASICs to do simple video effects
04:34:57 <Ampera> where you could just /feel/ the time and effort that went into making some impressive tech, where money just wasn't a number
04:35:58 <MrMobodies> I am still looking, it wa s abox with a paper roll, motor and it had mercury glass things in there
04:36:37 <DL3CE> Ampera .. ever looked at old Tektronix scopes and such .. there wasn't just the "right to repair" .. that stuff was MADE to be repaired.
04:37:01 <Ampera> DL3CE, I haven't looked in all that much test equipment, but I know what you mean
04:37:09 <DL3CE> Back then it would be an gravely insult to tell an engineer "you can't fix that yourself"?
04:37:21 <Ampera> the sorta stuff where you had beautifully constructed repair manuals
04:38:09 <Ampera> Even stuff like the PDP-1 and PDP-8 blew my mind with their flip chip stuff, and building block construction
04:38:27 <DL3CE> Even consumer stuff.
04:38:30 <Ampera> just absolutely insanely complex circuit diagrams creating something that today is made fucking worthless on a cold resin blob
04:39:38 <DL3CE> When you got a TV the schematic was included. Either in the manual or neatly folded into a holder (specifically made to hold it) inside the case.
04:39:58 <DL3CE> And it was all common parts you could get easily.
04:40:38 <DL3CE> Today .. eh .. it's a panel and an ASIC and .. thats it?
04:41:05 <DL3CE> You can swap the panel, or the board with the ASIC. Both of which are more expensive than just buy a whole new device.
04:42:52 <DL3CE> And THEN they start to guilt trip people about wasting resources and effectively steal the car from a poor grandma, since they now "realize" that the diesel engines they promoted 10 years ago are the devil.
04:43:50 <DL3CE> "We don't steal it, you just can't drive it in the inner city anymore." .. while she just uses it to get to the inner city grocery store from her inner city apartment.
04:50:28 <DL3CE> Sorry for the side rage.
04:50:47 <DL3CE> Just a thing that bothers me.
05:04:24 <rust_collector> it is ok, city people should not drive diesels anyway. they never heat up properly
05:14:05 <DL3CE> This is correct. I also was against the diesel push back then because it was just plain stupid. It was "they produce less CO2".
05:14:55 <DL3CE> What makes me angry is "You can't drive the car anymore we told you to buy a few years ago."
05:15:19 <DL3CE> You made a mistake, now live with it and correct in the future. Don't make other people pay for it.
05:15:44 <DL3CE> They most likely would never bought a diesel if it wasn't promoted that way.
05:15:45 <rust_collector> it is ok, city people should take their new ikea wardrobe on the bus
05:16:32 <DL3CE> .. Don't see a problem with that, that pressed crap is light enough ;)
05:17:07 <rust_collector> there you go
05:17:17 <rust_collector> problem solvded
05:20:19 <MrMobodies> I found it
05:20:24 <MrMobodies> the telephone telegraph thing
05:20:36 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/WgctYwR.jpg
05:21:10 <MrMobodies> pulled it out of a warehouse in 2010 it had paper diagram but it disintegrated
05:21:33 <DL3CE> I have a book here about electric motors .. from 1916.
05:22:00 <MrMobodies> that's nice
05:22:03 <DL3CE> It's cool how they made an automatic softstart.
05:22:05 <MrMobodies> 1916 styff
05:22:25 <MrMobodies> it had to be manually cranked up?
05:22:43 <MrMobodies> I know in cars they had a handle to start it
05:23:25 <hsn> my electron moving is so shit it accelarates and then return back to desired frequency : https://electronlabs-online.com/
05:24:06 <hsn> i need to study more math .. i know whats the mistake .. im should some how adjust the "phase" of sine and consine ..
05:24:14 <hsn> but dont know how to fix it
05:24:17 <hsn> :')
05:24:36 <MrMobodies> of the spinner dot
05:24:57 <MrMobodies> looks okay to me
05:25:00 <hsn> yes if u refresh it u will notice
05:25:08 <MrMobodies> is that your website?
05:25:17 <hsn> it accelerate .. get so fast .. suddenly back to desired speed
05:25:18 <hsn> yes
05:25:33 <rust_collector> and don't disable the browser, in your browser, it works better with that still enabled
05:26:08 <hsn> i tried to play with (acceleration / deacceleration) i cant with current code it get crazy ... because of phase state
05:26:17 <hsn> rust_collector, i didnt understand ^ ?
05:26:49 <rust_collector> that was for MrMobodies, because he likes to block allthethings in his browser
05:27:57 <MrMobodies> of course
05:28:05 <MrMobodies> with full control
05:28:13 <DL3CE> Basically just a geared motor and a HUGE rheostat
05:29:16 <DL3CE> But I especially like THIS "soft start": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNuI6keQXYA
05:30:03 <MrMobodies> I misunderstood I see now
05:30:55 <MrMobodies> start slowly by manually increase
05:31:39 <hsn> damn
05:31:48 <hsn> i just imagined some belt get out and whip that guy
05:32:06 <hsn> from the wheel
05:32:21 <DL3CE> Yeah .. work safety in the 20ies was more like ..
05:32:26 * hsn whips T3sl4
05:32:47 <DL3CE> "If someone touches that wire there, he will be a smoking block of coal afterwards?"
05:32:48 * T3sl4 llamas hsn
05:32:52 <DL3CE> "Yes. So don't touch it."
05:33:19 <DL3CE> "But there is this switch right beside it?"
05:33:30 <DL3CE> "Yes. Touch switch, don't touch wire"
05:33:51 <DL3CE> "You are a professional. You manage this."
05:33:58 <hsn> questions for T3sl4 to answer : https://snipboard.io/0uFGOm.jpg
05:34:15 <DL3CE> "Or we laugh at the coal for being an idiot."
05:34:23 <hsn> 20ies = 2000 ?
05:34:50 <rust_collector> 192000s
05:35:04 <hsn> oh .. no we are still in that era down here then
05:35:15 <rust_collector> good
05:35:22 <rust_collector> try to keep it that way
05:35:34 <hsn> why
05:35:48 <hsn> its no good
05:35:56 <rust_collector> it leaves better genes, when you are done
05:35:56 <DL3CE> Do you have at least those glorious marble panels with polished brass meters and switches, too?
05:36:41 <hsn> we are fancy .. but everything is imported and no one have any clue how things work ..
05:36:49 <hsn> consumers ..
05:37:04 <hsn> useless :\
05:37:24 <rust_collector> ok, well, figure it out, or... well, someone else has to clean up after you
05:37:39 <T3sl4> hsn: https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/1463678/screenshots/5018262/extra-llama-dribbble.png
05:37:45 <rust_collector> things shoule not be safe
05:37:47 <hsn> nah , i prefer biryani chicken hahahahhaah
05:38:11 <hsn> did u just draw that T3sl4
05:38:25 <T3sl4> no
05:38:30 <rust_collector> that is why you got the childrens menu? Or do you get 3 of those?
05:38:54 <hsn> childrens menu
05:38:55 <hsn> ?
05:39:12 <hsn> no children menu ..
05:39:20 <rust_collector> yea, it looks like... maybe half?
05:39:27 <hsn> i guess .. im not restarants guy
05:40:19 <hsn> rust_collector, not for biryani for sure
05:40:37 <rust_collector> hmm
05:40:39 <hsn> old people menu
05:40:44 <rust_collector> well, ok
05:41:16 <hsn> hmm , we have everything on instagram
05:41:28 <hsn> so i might share some restaurants from instagram here
05:42:49 <DL3CE> http://www.hts-homepage.de/Klingerpark/Tafelvorne5.jpg I like those old panels .. you can only imagine how proud the people who designed it must have been of it. "This is our greatest archivement. It HAS to look good."
05:43:42 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/B_6NBnCJxhs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link << 5300 BD = 14k$
05:44:32 <hsn> thats the real panel .. no we dont have
05:44:33 <MrMobodies> interesting panel
05:44:41 <DL3CE> Today, smack some tablet or industrial PC in it, cobble together an horrendous UI and that's it. I've watched to many USCSB vids on Youtube. Many of them are caused by an basically unusable UI, which hides information from you, or spams you with that many irrelevant errors that you miss the "Run. It's gonna blow."
05:45:04 <hsn> oh i want this : https://www.instagram.com/p/B-er3CEnz1W/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
05:45:13 <hsn> i wanna burger
05:45:35 <DL3CE> Hmmm... delicious heart attack.
05:45:47 <DL3CE> Want it, too.
05:47:22 <MrMobodies> I hear someone show host saying "sink your teeth into that"
05:47:50 <MrMobodies> I got light the cupboard which is a start
05:47:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.instagram.com/p/B-er3CEnz1W/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
05:47:54 <MrMobodies> ooops
05:48:00 <MrMobodies> didnt copy properly
05:48:08 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/LYlX20D
05:48:21 <MrMobodies> 5 lightbulbs
05:48:31 <MrMobodies> so when I put the shelves in there it'll be just right
05:48:58 <MrMobodies> connected to an ups so when working on the fusebox there will be light
05:49:21 <DL3CE> Remembers of lunch at work. We had burgers once, too .. and some collaegue complains "They are too high, my mouth isn't large enough" - "I thought you were a politician?"
05:49:36 <DL3CE> (He is into regional politics)
05:50:56 <MrMobodies> don't understand the joke, a comment "I thought you were a politician" to the person the person eating the burger
05:51:24 <MrMobodies> so a politician would just go ahead and eat it
05:51:39 <hsn> just bite that fluffy :)
05:52:27 <MrMobodies> well I always thought of politicians as snakes where they shed their skin every couple of years (their ideas)
05:52:33 <MrMobodies> snakes can eat large things
06:00:21 <MrMobodies> I found this thing on ebay
06:00:25 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEWMAR-UPS-Power-Pac-12V-power-supply-13-8V-5-AMP/233578754729
06:00:41 <MrMobodies> 12v ups
06:01:46 <MrMobodies> but 13.8v on the output which seems a bit high
06:02:41 <rust_collector> probably for a radio
06:02:44 <DL3CE> MrMobodies .. "big-mouthed" ;)
06:04:05 <MrMobodies> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/big-mouth
06:04:17 <MrMobodies> mean't to be kept in secret... sorry about that
06:04:49 <MrMobodies> if it is the politician thing maybe I shouldn't have said it.
06:05:31 <MrMobodies> hope I didn't upset anyone.
06:07:40 <MrMobodies> unless you mean I can eat the burger because I may have abig mouth
06:07:48 <MrMobodies> I do get hungry a lot
06:12:35 <hsn> I like burgers. I wasn't supposed to tell you! Me and my big mouth!
06:15:56 <MrMobodies> I see
06:16:10 <MrMobodies> very tempting stuff
06:17:00 <MrMobodies> I only think the of word "unhealthy" after I eaten it and then feel regret but if i work hard I'll burn off thre enery
08:03:51 <rust_collector> meh, stop thinking. just enjoy your food. you can eat weeds the next day
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09:31:49 <Halcyon> Morning all
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12:12:43 <MrMobodies> Hello
12:12:55 <MrMobodies> I found this video
12:12:59 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcGWLOH-Js
12:13:10 <MrMobodies> claiming the laptop started a fire
12:13:21 <MrMobodies> but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcGWLOH-Js&t=462s
12:13:37 <MrMobodies> and it is more like flames are coming out from something near it like a phone
12:37:39 <Halcyon> My guess is that it was the battery. Probably a crappy Chinese after-market one.
12:37:50 <Halcyon> That initial explosion was probably it venting
14:10:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Intel totally nailed what the future would look like, in 1990. https://t.co/AHUMfpepGV
14:47:31 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/v5agQL.jpg ,, yeah ,, thanks microsoft for giving me no option but combo box for sleep option .. and put high options in low minutes and low options in hourse .. https://snipboard.io/D4N07v.jpg
14:50:00 <hsn> ah ,, stupid didnt see it first time in advanced options ..
15:13:08 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/TRuY8Yn.jpg
15:13:29 <Halcyon> Birb
15:17:01 <T3sl4> a
15:20:42 <T3sl4> meow https://i.imgur.com/OwaMyTt.jpg
15:22:41 <hsn> this cat looks like getting ready for sex
15:23:40 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/tMRRmO5.jpg
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15:26:17 <Halcyon> What a hoe bag
15:30:27 * Halcyon noms on a chocolate
15:40:30 <Halcyon> Oh my Danmere Backer arrived :)
16:06:25 * Halcyon offers T3sl4 some cashews
16:06:40 <T3sl4> \o/
16:06:56 <Halcyon> Unsalted though, that's all I have
16:07:01 <Halcyon> I ran out of pistachios
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16:15:37 <Halcyon> Hey Kai
16:15:57 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
16:16:11 <Halcyon> You at home or at work?
16:16:20 <Ysjoelfir> How did you notice me coming online? does the bouncer mark me as away somehow?
16:16:26 <Ysjoelfir> at work
16:16:41 <Halcyon> <Halcyon> I ran out of pistachios
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16:16:42 <Halcyon> <Halcyon> Hey Kai
16:16:49 <Ysjoelfir> erm... ok
16:16:52 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty obvious :D
16:16:55 <Halcyon> When you login to your nick, it's seen as a diconnect/connect to other clients
16:17:44 <Halcyon> Aw I was hoping you could jump on Discord
16:17:54 <Halcyon> I took the day off work today, I have a bit of a cold
16:17:58 <Ysjoelfir> I can jump on there and listen again? :P
16:18:10 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to have a day off, I'm annoyed by my work atm
16:18:12 <Halcyon> I'd be talking to myself :P
16:18:22 <Ysjoelfir> well. thats not very helpfull then xD
16:18:28 <Halcyon> Nope
16:18:36 <Halcyon> Unless steve30 wants to join?
16:18:55 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I'm sure steve30 wants to join :) But hey, I managed to finally kill my phone
16:18:55 <Halcyon> Although he is probably still in bed, it's just after 0700 there
16:19:12 <Ysjoelfir> where is he from? UK?
16:19:18 <Halcyon> Yep
16:19:32 <Ysjoelfir> well. should get up soon :P Time for work!
16:19:55 <Halcyon> I don't think he works
16:20:24 <Ysjoelfir> Sleeping is steves work :D
16:20:36 <Ysjoelfir> (that would actually be pretty nice imho)
16:21:14 <Halcyon> Yep
16:21:34 <Halcyon> I hope I don't feel like crap tomorrow, I have so much to do at work
16:21:48 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if there is a thing like a... professional bed test sleeper
16:22:27 <Ysjoelfir> I don't have that much to do atm, but only because I don't want to. remember, mr. head of dev kicked me out because there is no work for me, so I think its not neccessary to be in a rush, right?
16:24:54 <hsn> T3sl4, look .. sex : https://www.hitachi-metals.co.jp/e/products/elec/tel/pdf/hl-fm4-k.pdf
16:25:10 <T3sl4> hmg makes some interesting things
16:25:22 <hsn> morning Halcyon and Ysjoelfir
16:25:25 <Ysjoelfir> mornings T3sl4 and hsn
16:25:37 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
16:25:38 <T3sl4> o/
16:25:50 <hsn> who is hmg ?
16:25:58 <hsn> hitachi metal g ?
16:26:02 <T3sl4> ye
16:26:10 <Halcyon> Mmmm that PDF is made of Vegetable ink
16:26:11 <Halcyon> :P
16:26:26 <T3sl4> 100% recycled ASCII\\\\Shift-JIS
16:29:44 <T3sl4> it's funny because the first time i heard about them, we had over a mfg rep for the nanocrystalline cores
16:30:19 <T3sl4> we were out on the shop floor and introduced him to one of the shop managers, who knows HMG because they make (or used to) brazing foils
16:30:36 <T3sl4> that being the induction heating job i started out at
16:31:14 <Ysjoelfir> So... I finally "agreed" that there doesn't seem to be something like a small phone on the market that is of decent quality and not overly expensive. still a bit annoyed by that, but I had to get a new one as I rely on it since one of my client doesn't want to write mails but always wants to call me..
16:31:14 <hsn> over a mfg rep = bad reputation ?
16:31:24 <T3sl4> representative
16:31:36 <T3sl4> brazing foils are handy because, you know the brazed crimp lugs, the crimp barrel has a seam which doesn't come apart, it's brazed; the way it's made is the sheet is stamped and bent to shape, leaving a gap
16:31:53 <T3sl4> well, an arm holds a chunk of foil right in that gap as it's pinched shut, holding the foil in place
16:32:18 <T3sl4> all that's left is to send the parts into a brazing furnace, and voila, the copper is annealed soft, the braze flows into the joint, and you have perfect parts
16:32:21 * hsn searches every word T3sl4 writes
16:32:55 <Ysjoelfir> wow, thats quite a complicated process
16:34:51 <hsn> this one right : https://www.amazon.com/Pico-Battery-Brazed-Terminals-Package/dp/B00030CXHK
16:34:56 <hsn> the line = the seam brzed
16:36:26 <T3sl4> bingo
16:41:10 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon did you get my message, or am I once again not correct authorised? :D
17:03:17 <Halcyon> Sorry, I wasn't paying attention
17:04:41 * Halcyon prods Ysjoelfir
17:06:30 <Ysjoelfir> :O
17:18:51 <steve30> hi
17:21:54 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
17:24:07 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's desk
17:26:07 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve30 :)
17:26:28 <T3sl4> steve30 and Halcyon https://imgur.com/gallery/AHAoDlu
17:27:02 <steve30> aww
17:27:05 <Ysjoelfir> how strange, those two look exactly like my cats
17:27:23 <Ysjoelfir> but the white one would NEVER clean her brother
17:28:04 <Halcyon> Stupid cats
17:30:45 * steve30 paws at Halcyon
17:30:51 <Halcyon> :P
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17:45:46 <Halcyon> Holy crap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRkMWHhnoQ
17:46:02 <Halcyon> He would be... interesting... in bed
17:46:19 <Ysjoelfir> what the
17:46:46 <steve30> he's cute
17:51:29 <Ysjoelfir> I couldn't even remotely move like that
17:53:39 <steve30> I'm quite flexible.
17:53:49 <steve30> Not /that/ flexible though
17:54:07 * Ysjoelfir bends steve30
17:54:33 * Halcyon would like to flex Stvee
17:54:35 <Halcyon> Steve
17:54:49 <Ysjoelfir> Steevee :D
17:54:56 <Halcyon> :P
17:55:06 <Halcyon> I'll be back soon, I'm going to go have a shower.
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18:19:51 <hsn> can i know dielictric constant from Dissipation Constant (Dk) ? or they are not related?
18:26:50 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
18:38:31 * hsn likes popcorn noise
19:18:40 <Ysjoelfir> https://debeste.de/131244/Ramstein T3sl4
19:59:18 * Ysjoelfir travels over to australia to see if Halcyon drowned in the shover
19:59:21 <Ysjoelfir> *shower
20:07:53 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CCDcmXRJY0u/?igshid=1zwcinjewz23
20:08:05 <hsn> intellegint
20:10:40 <K> hello
20:12:14 <hsn> hello there, K!
20:14:57 <Ysjoelfir> Hi K
21:07:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Name a modern electronic gadget that can work almost as well even when the power fails...
21:30:23 <Ampera> So I bought a pen from Amazon UK
21:30:28 <Ampera> It's being shipped from Barcelona
21:30:33 <Ampera> and it's now in Leipzig
21:30:39 <Ampera> what sort of chickenshit logistics is this
21:32:06 <coppice> Ampera: loads of stuff we buy from Amazon UK comes from Spain, or comes from a UK warehouse but says stuff about Amazon's Spanish operation
21:32:24 <Ampera> coppice, that part doesn't seem weird.
21:32:30 <Ampera> Why it's going to Leipzig first is.
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21:33:06 <Ysjoelfir> I assume its on the same plane as my phone, Ampera - its also going from barcelona to leipzig right now
21:33:13 <Lemon> sup thuggers
21:33:15 <Ampera> hah
21:33:16 <coppice> I guess Leipzig is a big air freight hub for one of the globally logistics players
21:33:20 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
21:33:30 <Ysjoelfir> But leipzig sounds reasonable when its going to germany :P
21:33:35 <Ampera> coppice, oh that's why
21:33:36 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Lemon
21:33:53 <Lemon> hows everyone doin ? :>
21:34:05 <Ampera> Those darned horny lesbians that always deliver my packages :/
21:34:09 <Ysjoelfir> I'm becoming poor again, had to get a new phone as mine died yesterday
21:34:12 <Ampera> or rather drop them off one city over so the post office can
21:34:22 <Ampera> What did you buy, Ysjoelfir
21:34:25 * Ysjoelfir wants some horny lesbians, too!
21:34:26 <Lemon> ayeee what did you buy ?
21:35:02 <Lemon> I got to fix the charging port of my 5s, to give it to my dear friend
21:35:09 <Lemon> why its in italic
21:35:30 <Lemon> poor girl she use a chinese noname with a broken screen that flickers
21:36:03 <Ysjoelfir> Innitially I wanted a small phone, but that seems to be unobtainium nowadays. So I went for a good bang per buck. I don't need highend phones, so I opted for a Xiaomi/Redmi Note 9 Pro (the international Note 9 Pro, not the indian note 9 pro, which is the note 9S in the rest of the world, while the international Note 9 Pro is called Note 9 Max in india x.X)
21:36:32 <Lemon> nice ! how much are those ?
21:36:48 <Ysjoelfir> I got it for 199, but regular price is 250
21:36:52 <Lemon> I usually advise to go for a SE or 6S second hand, for 100 euros its perfect imo
21:36:58 <Lemon> ho thats alright
21:37:39 <Ysjoelfir> I'm wondering how that "64" Megapixels quad camera shitbucket is going to work out
21:37:55 <Lemon> 64 ?
21:37:58 <Ysjoelfir> yep
21:37:58 <Lemon> goddamn
21:38:10 <Ysjoelfir> I would be totally happy with just one cam with like 8MPx.
21:38:16 <Lemon> it can film through walls or what xd
21:38:37 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure that this 64 MPX is just marketing wank, I assume they use quad pixels or whatever and count them.
21:38:48 <Ysjoelfir> so its just a regular 16MPx sensor or whatever
21:38:57 <Lemon> probably good enough !
21:39:05 <Lemon> im already quite happy with my SE
21:39:09 <Lemon> which is already old
21:39:14 <Ysjoelfir> actually I don't care about the cam, as long as bluetooth, WLAN AC and google pay works.
21:39:42 <Lemon> I usually send one sms per day, one call per week, and 10 minutes of websurfing before sleeping
21:40:00 <Ysjoelfir> I was happy with my LG G6, too, but it killed its bootloader three times yesterday, resulting in me doing not much more than just reinstalling everything
21:40:00 <Lemon> and use the gps to go to deutschland :>
21:40:06 <Ysjoelfir> so I decided to get a new one
21:40:08 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:40:20 <Lemon> aff x) I liked my g3 !
21:41:03 <Ysjoelfir> I loved the G4, which I had before. sadly it died with the SOC bug thing. got the G6, worked great, but now it fubared
21:41:24 <Lemon> rip ! mine died because a friend threw it
21:41:30 <Lemon> for whatever reason I forgot
21:41:53 <Lemon> but he gave me a pair of fred perry or whateveer the name, which was nice
21:42:23 <Ampera> I've been using my phone more and more
21:42:38 <Ampera> actually played a couple games real quick last night, N64 emulation is getting a lot better on Android, but still has quirks
21:46:04 * Ysjoelfir has no idea who fred perry might be
21:46:52 <Lemon> a brand of cloth :>
21:46:55 <Lemon> those were shoes
21:47:14 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - I basically just need it for google (pay, wear, fit), whatsapp and sleep as android. thats basically it. use some other nice apps like a medication- and drinking reminder, but those are just for fun basically
21:48:31 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - ah. actually shoes are the only branded clothing articles I own
21:48:45 <Ysjoelfir> and that also just because there doesn't seem to be a "noname" barefoot shoe manufacturer
21:48:50 <Lemon> yeah me too, idc about clothes tbh
21:48:56 <Lemon> exactly xd
21:49:06 <Lemon> I paid like, 30 euros for my 3 y/o pair of nike
21:50:50 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I primarily use YouTube, Twitter, Discord, reading news, and potentially RetroArch
21:50:55 <Ampera> I also have it for its quite nice camera
21:52:14 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir https://www.fasttech.com/products/3011/10044801/9645333-authentic-arctic-dolphin-soul-18650-bf-squonk watcha think ?
21:52:22 <Lemon> I found it cheaper, its just for the picture
21:52:31 <Lemon> its a mechanical squonk
21:54:01 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - mine should have a reasonably good camera for the price, as far as I read. But since I like to take photos with "real" cameras I think I won
21:54:03 <Ysjoelfir> 't care much
21:54:17 <Ampera> I prefer fake cameras
21:54:20 <Ampera> the sort that don't exist\
21:54:31 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - that looks nice. not exactly my colors though, but I like the combination of the case color with the resin.
21:54:37 <Ysjoelfir> heh :D
21:54:43 <Lemon> ho the colors are random !
21:54:50 <Lemon> its stabwood/resin :>
21:55:01 <Lemon> found it for 55 euros elsewhere
22:05:39 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir a squonk could be really nice for you, if you like rda's
22:05:46 <Lemon> no need to throw juice every few hits
22:05:50 <Lemon> thats endgame :>
22:08:51 <Ysjoelfir> naa, I'm happy with the setup i have :) I enjoy it each morning in the car and in the evening while working for freelancing
22:09:01 <Ysjoelfir> no need to go all fancy :P
22:09:26 * Ampera implodes, and then explodes
22:13:31 <Ysjoelfir> :O
22:13:40 * Ysjoelfir gets splattered with Ampera-juice
22:36:30 <Ysjoelfir> That moment when you notice that you have better tools at home to build your cheap hobby project, than your employer to build multi thousand dollar precision metrology equipment...
22:36:50 <K> that sucks yea
22:37:00 <hsn> guys. so i was contacting pcb manufacturer and asked them if they have this one prepreg material: https://www.isola-group.com/wp-content/uploads/data-sheets/370hr.pdf?v=1593588537 ..
22:37:35 <K> well, cant comment on multi-dollar part, but having nicer/better tools for your own things is wierd
22:38:35 <hsn> the answer was ::: pls check the datasheet of S1150G ..
22:38:36 <hsn> it will be convenient if you can advise detail material product number
22:38:54 <hsn> they dont have the one i asked for .. but what they mean with this :
22:39:04 <hsn> it will be convenient if you can advise detail material product number
22:39:47 <hsn> they sent me this .. https://olark-file-uploads.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/processed/31b449b3-ac4b-4ba2-941e-fe5b53039650.pdf is there details i've to provide them that i didnt?
22:42:26 <K> maybe they have both S1150G and S1150GB and want you to choose one?
22:43:04 <K> i am not 100% sure about the intent of their message though
22:50:53 <Ysjoelfir> K - I mean, it starts with simple things as crimpers. At work we have those POS things. https://www.fullertool.com/product/crimping-tool/
22:51:36 <Ysjoelfir> At home I use that kind - https://www.jh-profishop.de/Crimpzange-HAZET-fuer-DIN-Kabelschuhe-3964-111209/
22:51:44 <Ysjoelfir> 1000 times faster and stronger
22:52:10 <Ysjoelfir> also I don't get pain in my wrist after crimping only 5 wires
22:53:36 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, shorturl.at/vxHOS
22:53:53 <hsn> K, or i've to tell them exact stack prepreg number as i can see there are different thicknesses and resin content %
22:54:17 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector - I actually thought baout training with those.
22:54:39 <Ysjoelfir> but then I'm sure I will di that for like 2 days and from then on it'll be sitting in a corner to never be touched again, as always
22:54:49 <rust_collector> why? if you can just get thru 5 crimps...
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22:55:09 <hsn> oh that crimp tool is 6% of my salary hahaahah
22:55:21 <Guest|916> realy?
22:55:31 <Ysjoelfir> I can go through way more, but that damn thing is like ultra crappy
22:55:33 <rust_collector> but it will last longer than the rest of your salary
22:55:37 <hsn> so i can work 1 month to buy 100/6 crimp tools
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22:57:58 <K> speaking about hand tools - what is preferred cutting implement?
22:59:03 <hsn> axe
22:59:17 <Ysjoelfir> depends heavily on the thing that has to be cut :D
22:59:22 <hsn> sickle
22:59:32 <rust_collector> why just hand tools? power tools have their place
23:00:58 <K> ok, i'll rephrase - preferred general sharp bladed thing on workbench/lab?
23:01:08 <rust_collector> oh
23:01:14 <rust_collector> knife?
23:01:56 <rust_collector> Not really. I tend to use the cheap flush cutters for everything I can
23:02:18 <K> like painters knife, scalpel, sharpened file edge?
23:03:31 <rust_collector> painters, the snap-off style, the small one. I just buy a box of them every now and then.
23:04:12 <K> have you found a handle that holds the blade tightly so that it doesnt wobble?
23:04:42 <K> i have like 3 or 4, but they all generally have same problem
23:05:21 <rust_collector> nope, and I have not tried either. if I need something like that, I would probably use a real knife
23:05:51 <K> ah.
23:06:18 <hsn> i use blade that is wrapped with tape
23:06:24 <rust_collector> classic
23:06:59 <hsn> https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1s9J.aN3IL1JjSZPfq6ArUVXaK.jpg_350x350.jpg
23:07:25 <hsn> too peel my oranges
23:07:26 <hsn> xD
23:07:28 <K> mh
23:07:30 <Ysjoelfir> I use... damn, don't have my phone at hand as I don't have a phone at all right now ._.
23:08:15 <Ysjoelfir> I use an old norwegian (?) fixed blade knife. I carry that with me all the time, its ultra sharp and very robust.
23:08:38 <rust_collector> did you run your phone thru the dishwasher?
23:08:55 <Ysjoelfir> no, it just fucked up its bootloader three times yesterday and went into a bootloop
23:09:04 <Ysjoelfir> don't want to bother with it anymore
23:09:09 <rust_collector> oh.
23:09:12 <K> no, the phone ran away with the refridgerator
23:09:24 <rust_collector> I do not doubt that.
23:09:51 <K> and noone could call and ask the question
23:10:59 <rust_collector> One of the knives I use the most for little things out in the garage, is an old kitchen knife, that I shortened and ground, and sharpened
23:11:20 <rust_collector> that could work for you. it is very slop free
23:13:38 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/rYEfiug
23:13:55 <rust_collector> so, it was red, and now it is blue
23:14:47 <K> i see.
23:14:53 <Ysjoelfir> including the big crack?
23:15:21 <rust_collector> yes, it is magic
23:17:24 <K> the magic crack
23:17:31 <K> this is what i have - https://imgur.com/a/rFVDBtc
23:18:35 <K> the shorter one is old medical scalpel, ground and sharpened, the other is least wobbly painters blade handle
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23:28:52 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/n9i3vu.jpg
23:29:44 <rust_collector> ooh! you can do burnouts on it?
23:30:14 <K> u wot?
23:31:14 <rust_collector> hsn has a bmw, I think he is looking for some place he can do a burnout.
23:31:45 <hsn> it barely moves :)
23:31:49 <rust_collector> this is abrasion retardant, so it could work
23:32:19 <hsn> and i check water coolent everyday and feed her drinking water
23:32:41 <rust_collector> ok?
23:33:51 <rust_collector> so, does it keep dropping until it has problems, or does it just drop until some point?
23:33:53 <hsn> she is thursty
23:34:09 <rust_collector> well, bmw, yeah, you need a head gasket
23:34:33 <rust_collector> that could possibly cover up the cracks in the head
23:35:37 <hsn> i dont know because im not brave to drive it when it has low water coolent
23:35:51 <hsn> probably i need to change pipes of coolent
23:36:03 <hsn> system
23:36:17 <rust_collector> mmkay
23:36:23 <hsn> but in this hot weather
23:36:40 <hsn> u cant stand outside for 5 min
23:37:03 <Ysjoelfir> why do you even live in such a place? XD
23:37:15 <K> he likes sand
23:37:25 <rust_collector> we used to wonder how, but now we just wonder why?
23:37:34 <hsn> i didnt choose where to be born Ysjoelfir :P
23:37:57 <Ysjoelfir> no? couldn't you just choose another exit? XD
23:37:59 <rust_collector> right, you people are stuck there... I forgot
23:38:12 <hsn> :P
23:38:49 <K> it is an island, and is very unlikely it will freeze over to they can go somewhere else
23:39:28 <hsn> its normal .. moving is hard dicision at least here ..
23:39:37 <Ysjoelfir> I still find it pretty hilarious that your whole country is slightly smaller than the second biggest city in germany... xD
23:39:49 <hsn> i mean i dont imagine my life without my family tbh ..
23:40:02 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, it a country... and we have tunnels ok ?
23:40:03 <hsn> xD
23:40:18 <rust_collector> is there a bridge to the rest of the world, or is that a boat?
23:40:24 <hsn> do u have the magnifiers T3sl4 gave u ?
23:41:06 <hsn> bridge to ksa .. and one funny bridge they wanted to build with qatar called "love bridge" but then they fought hahahah
23:41:27 <rust_collector> looooove bridge
23:41:44 <Ysjoelfir> lol
23:41:54 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93Bahrain_Causeway
23:41:59 <hsn> The Qatar Bahrain Causeway (also referred to as the Qatar Bahrain Friendship Bridge)
23:42:43 <hsn> in native language its https://snipboard.io/L8ir3x.jpg
23:43:24 <hsn> this two royal families of qatar and bahrain dont like each other anymore
23:43:39 <K> drama!
23:43:50 <rust_collector> that sounds like a pc translators idea of fucking bridge
23:43:54 <hsn> full of shit drama
23:44:26 <hsn> Due to the Qatar diplomatic crisis and Bahrain’s siding with Saudi Arabia, the bridge is very unlikely ever to be built.
23:44:27 <hsn> XD
23:44:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
23:45:10 <hsn> qatar ppl are stupid .. tbh im not biased i think .. but like from what i know
23:45:15 <Ysjoelfir> I find it interesting that your king belongs to the smaller religious party. you would expect that to be not very long lasting
23:46:03 <hsn> somehow bahrain managed to steal this from them : https://snipboard.io/y6f1hR.jpg
23:46:19 <Ysjoelfir> lol? :D
23:46:49 <Ysjoelfir> were they like "oh, Qatar, just so that you know... thats ours now.", and they answered: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/003/617/OkayGuy.jpg
23:47:39 <hsn> another stupidity the air space ...
23:47:40 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/nsvP0L.jpg
23:47:55 <rust_collector> i guess that was their old landfill, that you stole?
23:47:56 <hsn> look at qatar ..
23:47:58 <Ysjoelfir> erm oO
23:48:23 <Ysjoelfir> just.. why? XD
23:48:24 <hsn> some how someone tricked qatari and let him sign this air space ..
23:48:31 <hsn> i dont know ..
23:49:04 <Ysjoelfir> I find things like that so fascinating^^ I always wonder how things like that could happen
23:49:15 <rust_collector> that is what happens, when all documents are in french
23:49:19 <K> haha
23:49:34 <hsn> that is the island : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawar_Islands
23:50:24 <Ysjoelfir> oh. so its just a bit of sand in the persian gulf
23:50:39 <hsn> i think i 've never been there tbh
23:50:43 <rust_collector> with a hotel and police
23:50:46 <rust_collector> heh
23:50:54 <hsn> there is resort or somthing there
23:52:06 <hsn> but thats like not the things that let me say they are stupid .. that is just goverment ..
23:52:17 <hsn> their people are .. emm .. too much money and useless ..
23:52:19 <rust_collector> so, yesterday, I stole boris' thumbnail, and edited it a bit. i like it: https://imgur.com/a/roFe4Nj
23:52:55 <K> you madlad, rust_collector
23:52:57 <Ysjoelfir> hehe hsn :D
23:53:02 <Ysjoelfir> shame on you rusty! ^^
23:53:22 <rust_collector> it was just a thing I wanted to keep around.
23:54:11 <rust_collector> I wonder... do they have any more islands?
23:54:47 <hsn> who ?
23:54:53 <rust_collector> Maybe I will send an email, and say I am holy emperor and ruler of the little island
23:54:58 <rust_collector> quatar?
23:55:32 <hsn> they have i think this "hawar island" was deal .. we gave them somthing small and shiity and stole this somehow ..
23:55:40 <hsn> by we im not with them ... but u know ..
23:56:11 <rust_collector> it would be nice to own an island somewhere
23:56:20 <hsn> its all stupid shit .. i mean i all gulf are not smart .. but like there are "extreme stupid" .. xD
23:56:38 <rust_collector> professionally stupid
23:56:44 <hsn> yeah
23:56:53 <Ysjoelfir> Expert stupidity level reached :P
23:57:13 <Ysjoelfir> Rusty, couldn't you just buy a piece of wood or hill in norge and most probably own a fjord or sea with it then?
23:57:22 <Ysjoelfir> just dump some sand into the water. boom, island.
23:58:00 <hsn> i wish there is translated version of this so u know what level im talking about: https://youtu.be/UOdUYzH3JZY
23:58:05 <rust_collector> a load of sand up here cost more than a small kingdom down there
23:58:41 <hsn> the question on the screen is : how many world wars are there
23:58:50 <hsn> and he removed 2 options ..
23:59:13 <hsn> and then used the audiunce vote
23:59:53 <Ysjoelfir> seriously hsn? :D
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