// #eevblog — 2020-01-22
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00:00:29 <hsn> why what does it mean
00:00:47 <Ysjoelfir> that someone with your name was bad :)
00:00:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/jbc-t210-and-t245-225242/
00:01:13 <hsn> lol
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00:04:11 <hsn> halycon thank me as well
00:04:30 <hsn> no wait my name is same
00:04:37 <hsn> as his
00:04:41 <hsn> i dont deserve
00:15:41 <Ysjoelfir> xD
00:16:19 * Ysjoelfir thanks hsn
00:21:48 <rust_collector> heh, half a thread
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00:32:56 <hsn93> .
00:36:46 <steve30> hi
00:58:44 <steve30> i should make more coffee
00:59:41 <Ysjoelfir> make me some, too. with a ratio of 90/8/2 please. (hot milk/coffee/sweetener)
01:12:59 * steve30 passes Ysjoelfir a coffee
01:13:05 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
01:14:08 * Ysjoelfir makes slobbering slurping noises and expects Halcyon to fall out of bed
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02:21:38 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
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02:57:20 <rust_collector> welcome home (sanitarium)
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03:09:55 <Ysjoelfir> thanks
03:10:21 <Ysjoelfir> Feeling a bit sick-ish so i left early. lets see how that develops
03:10:57 <rust_collector> yeah, you could get done with the radio this week if you get sick enough
03:12:10 <rust_collector> I re discovered a transformer, I should see if I can figure out what it is
03:12:14 <Ysjoelfir> well, I would still be missing the money for the spare parts
03:12:30 <Ysjoelfir> I assume it is a transformer
03:12:35 <Ysjoelfir> hope that helped you
03:13:13 <rust_collector> I would think it can transform a bit
03:14:51 <rust_collector> If I can remember correctly, it came out of a denon amp. It feels like I could use it for something more useful than many of the smaller transformers i have in the pile
03:15:19 <rust_collector> 4.4kg. so not huge, but not exactly small either
03:15:52 <rust_collector> but it has half a million wires going in all directions, so that will be fun
03:16:21 <Ysjoelfir> I love old amp transformers
03:17:15 <Ysjoelfir> usually you can build a pretty strong regulated PSU from those without needing another tranny for some aux voltages
03:17:35 <rust_collector> yeah, that is what I am hoping I can do
03:18:36 <rust_collector> It is actually the only project I am a bit interested it, when it comes to electronics. It does seem a but useless to make a power supply, just to do that, but
03:18:58 <Ysjoelfir> it could get you interested in other projects, so why not?
03:19:09 <rust_collector> yeah, there is that.
03:21:05 <Ysjoelfir> I am thinking about building an otl tube headphone amp just for fun. but I admit that I did never go to deep into that OTL thing, so no idea how to calculate one.
03:21:33 <rust_collector> otl?
03:22:00 <Ysjoelfir> Maybe I should ask T3sl4 for advice, since I always get a good lough if there are tube topics where he is involved :)
03:22:02 <K> whats an otl?
03:22:15 <Ysjoelfir> a tube amp without an output transformer
03:22:18 <K> ah
03:22:26 <K> i've heard of those
03:22:38 <K> takes buttload of tubes
03:23:05 <Ysjoelfir> for speakers, yes. but I would like to build it for 600 ohm headphones, so the impedance is rather high -> not to many tubes needed
03:23:15 <K> ah.
03:23:51 <K> what 600 ohm headphones do you have?
03:23:58 <Ysjoelfir> also, you don't need as much current as on a speaker. my headphones have a max of 500mW
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03:24:44 <Ysjoelfir> AKG K240 (the old sextet version, not the newer ones), Telefunken TH900 and on the way to me is right now a beyerdynamic DT990
03:24:52 <K> ah
03:24:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh and two AKG K140. sort of. more two part collections
03:25:16 <K> a couple of years a go i was in berlin and got myself T1
03:26:06 <Ysjoelfir> you must be a rich man :D
03:26:34 <K> says he who has 5 pairs of headphones
03:27:18 <rust_collector> I use half of an old nokia earbud set...
03:27:43 <rust_collector> very budget, lol
03:28:07 <K> even more old timey, old mechanical record player style, strictly mono
03:29:51 <Ysjoelfir> I got them all for a bargain and never when they were new :) well, I wasn't even born then :X
03:38:45 <rust_collector> time for some roasted bean tes
03:38:48 <rust_collector> tea
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03:59:58 <rust_collector> I wonder why the dogs love sleeping on top of the roomba
04:01:34 <K> maybe some pack animal thing?
04:02:13 <rust_collector> maybe the roomba is the boss dog, and the rest just try to keep it warm?
04:03:40 <K> yea
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04:30:15 <K> squee!
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05:24:55 <Ysjoelfir> thinking about a... micro project. basically a solution for something very simple I am struggling with for quite some time.
05:30:46 <rust_collector> have you tried just ignoring it?
05:31:00 <Ysjoelfir> yep. works, but is annoying sometimes
05:32:23 <rust_collector> ignore harder
05:32:38 <rust_collector> well, ok, what is it?
05:32:59 <rust_collector> if you are staying at home sick, I guess it is a good time
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05:34:29 <Ysjoelfir> immagine you are sitting on your PC, playing a game. your gf is watching you play on tv (streaming to the tv). you war headphones, she listens over the hifi
05:34:44 <Ysjoelfir> she is like "i don't hear anything", you crank the volume up and get deaf
05:34:57 <Ysjoelfir> or the other way around, the neigbors start to knock while you hear nothing
05:35:23 <rust_collector> so, you want ear plugs, built in to your headphones?
05:36:04 <rust_collector> how does the sound get to the tv?
05:36:11 <Ysjoelfir> no. but wouldn't it be nice to have a device that takes your regular PC stereo out and splits it to two outputs while being able to control the volume (and maybe equalization) individually?
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05:36:45 <rust_collector> the 3.5mm jack?
05:36:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes, that stupud jack
05:37:07 <rust_collector> hmm, that should be doable?
05:37:19 <Ysjoelfir> sure. I'm not sure how fancy I want to got
05:37:31 <rust_collector> nah, don't do anything fancy
05:37:42 <Ysjoelfir> I could basically just take two opamps with adjustable gain and done
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05:41:58 <rust_collector> I guess the stereo has its own volume? why not just make a volume control for the headphones, and a "y cable"
05:43:23 <Ysjoelfir> that would be even easier... like, a pot. but that wouldn't be... "interesting", would it?
05:43:40 <rust_collector> no, but you just want to play games, right?
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05:45:26 <rust_collector> But I see your point. you should put an arduino in there somewhere
05:46:00 <Ysjoelfir> arduino controlled automatic gain setting?
05:46:12 <Ysjoelfir> with active noise filtering in realtime!
05:46:35 <rust_collector> as long as it has leds, who cares what it really does, if anything
05:46:56 <Ysjoelfir> you are right
05:48:08 <rust_collector> if you could make into a combination equalizer and induction heater...
05:49:56 <Ysjoelfir> that could prove useful. maybe. someday.
05:51:22 <rust_collector> I go to a place that does induction bending of mostly pipes, and some various beams and rails and stuff. it is pretty interesting to watch
05:53:22 <Ysjoelfir> I like stuff like that. the area I grew up was build around metal fabrications. I always liked hanging around the factories, watching they do their thing
05:54:31 <rust_collector> https://niras.no/#
05:56:12 <rust_collector> yeah. Most of our industry was moved "to poland" but it is creeping back here.
06:09:48 <Ysjoelfir> WAS moved or has moved by itself/has been moved by the bosses?
06:11:04 <rust_collector> I guess a mix of being sold to foreign companies, and companies moving because it is cheaper there, and some times I guess tax reasons.
06:11:38 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, come on. norway and taxes... pff :p
06:11:54 <rust_collector> yeah, I know, we don't really pay taxes
06:13:26 <rust_collector> Pretty soon, we will have a small heart starter thing implanted when we are born, so we can work a few decades longer
06:14:01 <Ysjoelfir> the state needs money!
06:14:14 <rust_collector> That seems like something you could build with an arduino
06:14:31 <rust_collector> if has pulse, do nothing,
06:14:42 <rust_collector> if do not have pulse, start pulse
06:14:53 <Ysjoelfir> do while (1)
06:15:07 <Ysjoelfir> we should invent that in a kind of colaboration
06:15:18 <Ysjoelfir> international bonds are strong!
06:15:29 <rust_collector> not before I have moved away from this place, lol
06:18:55 <Ysjoelfir> why would you do that
06:19:18 <rust_collector> I don't want to get stuck in a reboot loop
06:19:38 <Ysjoelfir> oh. whjy not? it could be great!
06:20:06 <rust_collector> I suppose it could have an alarmclock function
06:20:26 <Ysjoelfir> that would even greater
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06:40:35 <rust_collector> arrrgh, laundryroom drain was clogged a bit
06:40:48 <rust_collector> pretty nasty gunk
06:41:13 <Halcyon> Morning all
06:41:22 <rust_collector> hey
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06:41:51 <rust_collector> And I am almost getting ready for bed
06:41:59 <Halcyon> I wish I was getting ready for bed
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06:42:42 <rust_collector> I wish I was not, because it is way too early
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06:53:19 <rust_collector> I should put some music on an usb, because there is no radio where I am going tomorrow
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07:21:05 <Ysjoelfir> Don't you have a music usb stick on hand?
07:21:20 <rust_collector> I do now
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07:25:16 <rust_collector> I think I will add some drunk elvis to my list
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07:42:23 <rust_collector> good night
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09:41:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Google are giving these stupid things away. Just put my address in to see if it would actually turn up, it did. Might be useful for, err... https://t.co/XNS04H1LKG
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09:47:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Flickr are upping their prices because they are not profitable. I've got to question if this will make them profitable, or it's just charging for deck chairs on the Titantic https://t.co/ecrH0r7rv4
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13:02:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 127 complaints, 120 crashes, 52 injuries. Not quite in the Toyota category, but still, wow, that's a lot. Tesla Time News - Sudden Unintended Acceleration!? https://t.co/gBqkTCG9f8
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15:25:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: This is Tesla's response: https://t.co/5lFWfkEwGA
15:27:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: JYelton: I just got my Art of Electronics X-Chapters by Winfield and Hill. Turning to a section of interest, I noticed a pleasant surprise that @eevblog makes an appearance! https://t.co/J7gZLKguL3
16:00:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Fire alarm, again. #WasntMe
16:10:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Was about to shoot a video upgrading my soldering bench pc processor, just because I'm sick of going though my email. Now I'm waiting for the fire truck, if they bother to turn up for the 1000th false alarm.
16:13:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Maybe I should get the old lab back (Feb 9th BTW) and split up the lab into two buildings. Be more productive that way with the constant false alarms.
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17:58:21 * Ysjoelfir strools into the room, looking if someone is already/still awake
17:58:34 <T3sl4> stroopwafels?
17:59:01 <Ysjoelfir> woah, I would love to have some now!
17:59:40 * T3sl4 nods, salivatingly
18:00:03 <Ysjoelfir> instead I have some eggs for breakfast. And two kiwis
18:01:40 <T3sl4> nice
18:02:05 <T3sl4> you'll get Halcyon jealous
18:02:19 <Ysjoelfir> Not that kind of egg
18:02:28 <Ysjoelfir> I was talking about the chicken produce
18:02:47 <T3sl4> i was talking about the not-that-kind-of kiwi ;)
18:03:00 <Ysjoelfir> like hairy eggs?
18:03:20 <T3sl4> maybe he isn't into NZ guys, dunno
18:03:37 <T3sl4> they might be too...sheepish ;) for him
18:03:49 <Ysjoelfir> :P
18:08:01 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, question: If you would build a device that actively splits the audio output from a PC to two devices, like a headphone and a receiver...
18:08:21 <Ysjoelfir> and also lets you allow to regulate the volume independantly
18:08:51 <Ysjoelfir> would you go the easy way, like, two noninverting opamps with variable gain, or would you use anything fancier because of X?
18:09:01 <T3sl4> why's it need an amp at all?
18:09:15 <T3sl4> two dual pots is enough, if the initial level is high enough
18:10:16 <Ysjoelfir> sure, but how do you ensure that it is? especially if you would use high impedance headphones?
18:10:38 <T3sl4> oh, headphones i suppose
18:10:51 <T3sl4> heh, hi-Z would be fine, it's lo-Z that's the problem
18:11:30 <T3sl4> the PC output is probably fine to drive common headphones as is, but adjusting volume that way would need a fairly low value pot, like 100R
18:12:54 <Ysjoelfir> but hi-z would need more drive voltage, wouldn't it? I am more concerned about the variance in Z. the receiver side would be rather fine, but the headphone side...?
18:14:09 <T3sl4> do those tend to be more sensitive or no?
18:14:29 <Ysjoelfir> you mean hi-z compared to lo-z?
18:15:19 <T3sl4> ye
18:16:04 <Ysjoelfir> as far as my personal headphones go, yes. I would assume they are, since hi-z is more like a studio and/or high quality thing, so I would suspect that the drivers are overall more sensitive
18:18:49 <Ysjoelfir> ah
18:19:09 <Ysjoelfir> I get it now.
18:20:24 <Ysjoelfir> sometimes you just think to complicated to see the most efficient way to do stuff :X
18:20:31 <T3sl4> :)
18:22:29 <Ysjoelfir> so, back to Pulsonix it is. enough thoughts about personal sideprojects 0:-)
18:24:46 * T3sl4 sprinkles fairy dust on Ysjoelfir
18:25:50 <Ysjoelfir> you mean that would help with this shitty software that just decided that I would need a printout of every gerber file I created? :D
18:27:10 <T3sl4> oh go ahead and cry like the Gerber Baby ;)
18:28:16 * Ysjoelfir cries like the gerber baby
19:17:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: OMG, it's a new State of Electronics video from @digitalhack The series lives! https://t.co/XMfBz7LGmt
19:23:15 <K> hello
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19:36:57 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:45:04 * Halcyon mews at Ampera
19:58:49 <Ysjoelfir> Hi K and Halcyon
20:08:51 <hsn93> hhey
20:09:03 <hsn93> does this make sense to anyone: https://snipboard.io/IKGVY5.jpg
20:11:32 <Ysjoelfir> sure, it's a pretty standard plot. why?
20:12:47 <steve30000> hi
20:13:01 <Ysjoelfir> Hi steve 3million
20:13:02 <K> maybe the 3V curve looks strange
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20:13:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
20:13:57 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
20:17:13 <Ysjoelfir> Gang-huggerage again? :)
20:18:33 <steve30> I'm going to go swiming later
20:22:50 <hsn93> steve30k
20:23:07 <hsn93> so steve30000 is actually steve30 + K combined
20:23:29 <steve30> hehe
20:25:52 <hsn93> but why this graph Ids vs Vds .. is this because Rdson = goes non linear after some threshhold because of the current heating the mosfet?
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20:55:30 <K> yay, my "the x-chapters" arrived
20:58:02 <Ysjoelfir> nice, have fun K
20:58:18 <K> meh, no fun this week
20:58:25 <K> work work work work
20:58:32 <K> and then some
20:59:46 <Halcyon> Hey Steve, Hey Ysjoelfir
21:00:00 <Halcyon> I'm making chicken and leek pies :)
21:00:25 <Ysjoelfir> K - like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmbflJhPvWg
21:00:33 <K> yes, quite so
21:00:35 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Hal and that sounds great :)
21:00:57 <Halcyon> Yup, but I'm being healthy, instead of cream I'm using greek yoghurt
21:01:08 <Halcyon> Also lots of vege and chilli
21:01:30 <Ysjoelfir> I love greek yoghurt. Goes well to... nearly everything
21:01:48 <Halcyon> Indeed. If you want the recipe, I can email it to you... while it's still fresh in my mind
21:02:22 <Ysjoelfir> sure :) sounds like a great fit for our diet
21:02:37 <steve30> I have a steak & kidney pie for tonight
21:02:38 <Halcyon> PM me your email address and I'll type it up
21:02:47 <Halcyon> I don't think I've ever had steak and kidney pie Steve
21:08:07 <Ysjoelfir> I had steak.... and I head kidneys and I had pie. but thast all combined... nope
21:08:20 <Ysjoelfir> *that
21:08:33 <Ysjoelfir> but it sounds rather interesting
21:09:40 <Ysjoelfir> I once found out that innards can actually be pretty tasty IF done right
21:10:58 * steve30 gets his speedos ready for later
21:14:04 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: What's your email?
21:14:30 <Ysjoelfir> I already wrote it to you in private chat :)
21:14:52 <Halcyon> I didn't get it?
21:14:55 <Halcyon> Are you signed in?
21:15:34 <Ysjoelfir> nope, not registered.
21:16:00 <Halcyon> That'll be why :)
21:16:29 <Ysjoelfir> I should do that then. ;)
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21:18:10 <Ysjoelfir> did it work?
21:24:48 <Halcyon> Yup, recipe sent
21:25:20 <Halcyon> If you want to "naughty" this recipe up a little, you could add a little parmesan or cheddar cheese either in the mixture or on top
21:28:06 <Halcyon> I found the sauce to be surprisingly creamy, even though there is no cream in it. My quantities are approximate too, I kind of just throw things in
21:28:13 <Ysjoelfir> that doesn't sound to bad :D
21:28:42 Nick: Ysjoelfir is now known as Ysjoelfir_mancave
21:29:03 <Halcyon> Mancave is offensive didn't you know?
21:29:24 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrIRM4RBsg
21:29:26 <Ysjoelfir_mancave> it is?
21:29:32 <Halcyon> Watch that video :P
21:29:40 <Halcyon> I love this guy
21:29:40 * steve30 suggests a nongenderspecificcave instead
21:29:47 <Halcyon> He rips on vegans and just retards in general
21:30:11 Nick: Ysjoelfir_mancave is now known as Ysjoelfir_nongendercave
21:30:25 <Halcyon> GenderNonBinaryCave ?
21:30:38 <Ysjoelfir_nongendercave> to long :D
21:30:57 <Halcyon> But yes, that video is a good insight into how most Aussies think
21:31:15 <Ysjoelfir_nongendercave> actually I just wanted to register the secondary nick to my main nick, but my IRC is a bit rusted... have to look up how that was done.
21:33:50 <K> humancave?
21:34:03 <K> or is this offensive as well ?
21:34:04 <Halcyon> I'm sure someone would find that offensive too K
21:34:08 <K> damn.
21:34:11 <Halcyon> Oh probably, some people are fucked
21:34:15 <Halcyon> (Not in the good way)
21:34:44 <steve30> How about an inclusivesnowflakecave?
21:36:15 Nick: Ysjoelfir_nongendercave is now known as Ysjoelfir
21:36:18 <Halcyon> \o/
21:38:36 <steve30> Well, I should see about going out
21:38:46 <Halcyon> Where you going?
21:38:51 <Halcyon> To the meat market again? :P
21:38:59 <steve30> Swimming first, then a counselling appointment after
21:39:08 <coppice_> NOOO. You'll get that Wuhan infection
21:40:29 <Ysjoelfir> an infection? that sounds awesome!
21:40:50 <Ysjoelfir> And: I liked the video Halcyon :D I share his oppinion^^
21:41:03 <Halcyon> Oh yes, he speaks the truth
21:41:14 <Halcyon> I particularly like the vegan ones :P
21:42:09 <Ysjoelfir> I should watch those. When the gf is not at home^^
21:42:20 <Halcyon> Hehe, will she not agree?
21:42:52 <Ysjoelfir> no. she is a social worker. those have some... oppinions on things that you can't beat with logic.
21:43:00 <Halcyon> If I can recommend one more video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWBTM5MBixE
21:43:05 <Ysjoelfir> actally she is working in a kindergarden
21:43:05 <Halcyon> This make my laugh out loud
21:43:26 <Ysjoelfir> the beginning is already great :D
21:43:57 <coppice_> Halcyon: our local supermarket now stocks soy free soy sauce
21:44:18 <Halcyon> coppice_: Tamari ?
21:44:33 <Halcyon> I actually prefer Tamari, it's delicious
21:45:39 <coppice_> Tamari is wheat free soy sauce - i.e. proper soy sauce, before the cost reducers got to it
21:45:46 <Halcyon> Ahh
21:46:08 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
21:46:34 <coppice_> even most good brands of soy sauce have more wheat than soy in them these days
21:46:49 <Halcyon> I only buy Kikkomen
21:46:53 <Halcyon> But I usually use Tamari
21:47:28 <coppice_> Kikkomen, Lee Kam Kee and other premium brands are still mostly wheat
21:47:44 <Halcyon> They have a unique taste which goes with certain things
21:49:12 <coppice_> western people are weird. they use lots of dark soy sauce, which is rather disgusting in most things. in asia its only used in a few specific places. in europe its widely used
21:49:28 <Halcyon> Yeh dark soy is way too strong for many foods
21:49:32 <Halcyon> I rarely use it
21:52:10 <Ysjoelfir> The only thing I tend to use the dark soy sauce is in tea eggs. It gives a nicer color. besides that... light soy sauce it is
21:52:43 <Halcyon> Which reminds me, I need to buy more eggs
21:52:56 <Halcyon> Since the foxes ate next door's chickens, I have to buy my eggs :(
21:53:16 <Ysjoelfir> just eat fox the next time :)
21:53:22 <Halcyon> They are sneaky
21:53:36 <coppice_> those foxes must be really bad at managing their egg supply
21:54:59 * Ysjoelfir listens to one of the most awesome video game soundtracks
21:55:20 <Halcyon> Which is?
21:55:23 <Halcyon> Sim City 2000
21:55:24 <Halcyon> ?
21:56:12 <Ysjoelfir> Crusader Kings 2. Look for "Pagan Fury & Paradox Interactive" at amazon music (if available) or some music source of your choice
21:57:14 <Halcyon> I have Spotify and TIDAL
21:57:38 <Ysjoelfir> don't know if you find it there.
21:58:05 <Ysjoelfir> otoh, here is one of the four songs (jep, only four.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iK_b3VtGc
21:58:36 <Ysjoelfir> that one is also great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI1-bnevowA
21:58:53 <Ysjoelfir> rather "mild" music, but it fits the game and is nice to listen to
22:01:04 <Halcyon> Yeh it's on both platforms
22:02:39 <Ysjoelfir> I admit, it's not as great as some of the skyrim songs but hey. I like it
22:02:53 <Halcyon> I'm watching Nostalgia Nerd
22:03:09 <Ysjoelfir> Me to. And LGR
22:03:32 <Halcyon> I love LGR
22:04:32 <Ysjoelfir> I once wanted to send him a bunch of original floppys (photoshop 1.0, some games,..). sadly his storage is overflowing.
22:05:03 <Ysjoelfir> I actually like Clint's appearance. He is... charming. even though I find it strange that he has so thin hair for his age
22:05:12 <Halcyon> Indeed
22:05:40 <Halcyon> The guy from Technology Connections is the same. Oddly attractive.
22:06:37 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like him at all. Don't know why, but I can't watch the videos. I always get angry listening to him :D
22:06:46 <Halcyon> Heheh he is very "American"
22:07:29 <Halcyon> I love Ashens, he is great
22:07:35 <Halcyon> And I miss the old "Barshens"
22:08:23 <Halcyon> Eli Silverman makes me laugh
22:09:25 <hsn93> How is Neutral Wire Neutral in Mains Electricity? << this post gone far :D
22:09:37 <Halcyon> EEVBlog ?
22:10:43 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. steward is a nice guy. What I find strange is: I tend to like some of the brittish yourubers (ashens, biffa, spiffing brit,..) even though I usually dislike GB and most people from there.
22:10:46 <Ysjoelfir> yep
22:10:48 <Ysjoelfir> beginners section
22:11:03 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/how-is-neutral-wire-neutral-in-mains-electricity/
22:11:20 <coppice_> Its OK. We hate you too
22:11:33 <Halcyon> :P
22:11:46 <Ysjoelfir> I heard that most GB people like everyone from outside gb, including scotts and wale....ses
22:11:55 <Ysjoelfir> *dislike
22:12:06 <Halcyon> I can't say I've heard that>?
22:12:15 <Halcyon> But then again, everyone loves Aussies :P
22:12:21 <Ysjoelfir> maybe its a german prejudice :)
22:12:36 <Halcyon> Jawohl
22:13:00 <coppice_> The British are big on a kind of teasing rivalry, but pretty low on actual prejudice
22:13:09 <Halcyon> That is the extent of my German, which I learned off Hogan's Heroes
22:13:48 <Ysjoelfir> that's pretty comprehensive Halcyon :P
22:14:08 <Ysjoelfir> coppice_, that could be adequate :)
22:14:17 <Ysjoelfir> and they like tea
22:14:23 <Ysjoelfir> which means I should like them
22:14:33 <Ysjoelfir> as I like tea
22:15:18 <Halcyon> I drink both tea and coffee
22:15:25 <Halcyon> But both black (and without sugar)
22:16:30 <Ysjoelfir> I drink coffee in a coffee/hot milk/sweetener configuration of 2/90/8 percent
22:17:03 <Halcyon> Soy boy :P
22:17:06 <Ysjoelfir> and tea black. mostly. sometimes (depending on the kind of tea) also yellow, red, green, brown, or all of those in rare occasions with one sweetener tablet
22:17:14 <Ysjoelfir> nah. only cows milk :P
22:17:18 <Halcyon> Heh
22:17:35 <Ysjoelfir> I just don't like the tast of coffee alone.
22:17:43 <Halcyon> It has to be good coffee
22:17:47 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
22:17:52 <Halcyon> And by good I mean anything but instant
22:17:57 <coppice_> milk in tea is for people who don't really like tea - a classic example being people who put milk in Earl Grey
22:17:57 <Ysjoelfir> ok, let me correct that
22:17:58 <Halcyon> Instant is bullshit
22:18:31 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1NykGDUSLc
22:18:37 <Halcyon> Oh that's cool
22:18:45 <Halcyon> Good movie too
22:19:25 <Ysjoelfir> let me correct that: I drink most coffee in the mentioned configuration, except some very good coffees. I tried once a cup from a small... "roastery" (?). that stuff was gorgeous, even black. not bitter, more like... smooth and aromatic.
22:19:41 <Halcyon> Do you drink cold brew Ysjoelfir ?
22:20:11 <Ysjoelfir> cold brewed coffee? no. Tried that once and nearly puked.
22:20:39 <Ysjoelfir> but I like to brew a good jug of tea and let it cool in the summer
22:20:45 <Halcyon> It's sweet without being sweet if that makes sense
22:20:49 <Halcyon> All bitterness is gone
22:20:54 <Halcyon> But you have to use good beans
22:21:28 <Ysjoelfir> I had it at starbucks. don't know if those beans are good, but I doubt it.
22:21:38 <Halcyon> Starbucks is meh
22:21:53 <Halcyon> It's not difficult to make yourself if you have a source of good beans
22:22:24 <Ysjoelfir> I do. My visitors only get good, freshly ground and hand brewed coffee from me :)
22:22:46 <coppice_> if coffee is made from beans, does enough coffee make you fart more?
22:23:17 <Halcyon> It makes me poop in the morning?
22:23:19 <Halcyon> Does that count
22:23:40 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC the farting comes from the shell of the bean being decomposed in your body, so I would doubt it?
22:24:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://espresso-roesterei.de <- that is the coffee I buy.
22:24:35 <Ysjoelfir> well, from where I buy it
22:25:05 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: So a few of us send each other care packages (well, mainly Ampera and I)
22:25:10 <Halcyon> I should send you some Aussie coffee
22:26:55 <Ysjoelfir> that would be an interesting experience. :) Maybe we can get rust_collector to join. My stocks of norwegian sjokolade, O'boj and Lano is nearly gone
22:27:31 <Halcyon> Visitors generally tend to go for Tim Tams here
22:28:03 <Halcyon> https://www.arnotts.com/products/tim-tam/
22:28:25 <Halcyon> The originals are my favourite
22:28:32 <Ysjoelfir> that looks nice :)
22:28:49 <Ysjoelfir> btw: lunch time ;) cu later :)
22:28:56 <Halcyon> Unlike most American treats, we don't use High Fructose Corn Syrup here
22:29:06 <Halcyon> It's mostly all cane sugar grown locally
22:29:11 <Halcyon> Enjoy :)
22:29:40 <Halcyon> I should go to bed
22:30:51 <coppice_> Halcyon: you don't need to go to Aussie for TimTams
22:43:21 <hsn93> maaan, these "scientist" are making me crazy
22:43:31 <hsn93> scientists
23:03:47 <Ysjoelfir> Na, you should not, Halcyon. You should stay.
23:03:56 <Ysjoelfir> Why, hsn93?
23:05:07 <hsn93> they are goofing around some pump controller features while they just need some pump to be controlled (on / off)
23:07:04 <hsn93> and they are emailing dozens of mails to me asking about features and asking me to contact the original manufacturer engineers.. im telling them just buy the damn thing when it arrive everything will be in the manual.
23:08:07 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like the standard customer
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23:13:33 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Retweet: AcmeAviator: @eevblog Hardly free- just highlights how valuable the information they gain about everyone is.
23:18:30 * Ysjoelfir is brave
23:18:39 * Ysjoelfir is trying tomatoes again.
23:21:30 <hsn93> this is not standard customer
23:21:48 <hsn93> they dont need what they are asking for ,, just buy the damn thing
23:22:07 <hsn93> and they are CC the boses in the mail
23:31:34 <Ysjoelfir> and the bosses are like "oh, that dickhead again..."
23:42:04 <hsn93> yeah..
23:56:15 <hsn93> https://fortune.com/2020/01/22/saudi-crown-prince-hacking-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-phone/
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