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02:37 <NeroTHz> bit of a mechanical question
02:47 <NeroTHz> I want to make 19 mm disks, 3d printed
03:01 <NeroTHz> with extreme paralellism of the two flat surfaces and precise thickness
03:07 <NeroTHz> any suggestions how to best do this?
03:34 <NeroTHz> I´m actually thinking of printing just a big cylinder and lathing it to spec
03:41 <K> 3d and preceise thickness do not go well together
03:54 <K> NeroTHz, buy a round stock and throw it on a lathe
03:54 <NeroTHz> yeah, I figure I need post-processing
03:57 <NeroTHz> no
04:14 <K> internal features?
04:21 <NeroTHz> the thing is that it has to be 3D printed because the whole reason I want this is because I need to do some material constant measurements on the 3D printed polymer
04:32 <NeroTHz> I want to measure the dielectric constant of the material
05:13 <K> i have my reservatoins regarding supplier consistency of 3d print plastic
05:25 <NeroTHz> this is resin provided by formlabs, not shady random FDM plastic
05:34 <K> resin?
05:41 <NeroTHz> yeah, it´s a UV resin 3D printer
05:51 <NeroTHz> https://formlabs.com/eu/3d-printers/form-3/
05:54 <K> ah, thought about extrusion
06:02 <K> cant comment much on uv resins, sry
06:07 <T3sl4> i wonder if the properties vary much in a thick section
06:09 <hsn> ah
06:31 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, don´t make my experiment of measuring the dielectric constant at 100 GHz any harder than it already is
06:34 <T3sl4> 'cuz, if you printed a cylinder of it and parted off discs, would they be consistent with lone-printed flat discs?
06:52 <hsn> if u choose acrylic cant u get same dielctric data?
06:59 <T3sl4> but yeah, printing discs and somehow or another cutting them flat should be good enough i guess
07:11 <T3sl4> and, you can't factor out thickness?
07:14 <NeroTHz> (though on a more serious note - yea, I have wondered that too. Also, how much does it change with curing and so on, is it/how anisotropic is it
07:26 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, yeah, indeed, but it needs to be super parallel
07:29 <T3sl4> anisotropy would be really cool to demonstrate
07:42 <NeroTHz> it would.
07:43 <T3sl4> (if applicable)
07:49 <NeroTHz> I´m gonna just start printing a little disk and see where that takes me
08:05 <T3sl4> also also, how about printing a flat sheet and building microstrip on it
08:19 <NeroTHz> that is too much of a pain I think
08:33 <T3sl4> i suppose at 100ghz you don't really need much length to work with
08:39 <NeroTHz> I think it will be easier to just make a disk, shuv it on the end of a metal waveguide, and put a metal cap on the other end
08:51 <T3sl4> yeah, that
08:52 <NeroTHz> In simulations I can confirm this gives me a pretty good resonator with clear peaks
10:11 <NeroTHz> hsn, the issue is that a) the manufacturers don´t want to tell you exactly what is in the resin and b) even if they did, there is generally very little knowledge of dielectric properties at 100 GHz outside of your standard ´high performance´ polymers like PTFE, PE, etc
10:19 <T3sl4> is it too much trouble, or measurement error, to measure thickness from the spectra and factor it out?
10:49 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/749994548494598204/IMG_20200619_195057.jpg
10:54 <NeroTHz> what I wanted to do already is to not measure the resonance of a singular peak, but actually meaure the frequency distance between two peaks
10:55 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/749985889509179562/20200831_092752.jpg
11:00 <Ampera> old vs new fridge
11:02 <Ampera> I can finally fit stuff :P
11:26 <K> does it 100% need to be 3d printed? maybe you could cure a small puddle with uv
11:26 * T3sl4 fits a fridge in Ampera
11:39 <Ampera> <3
11:48 <T3sl4> :)
11:58 <NeroTHz> as that distance will equal the ´electrical length´ of 1 wavelength at those frequencies. Then I can divide that by the actual length, and know speed, if you know what I mean (that isn´t entirely correct but I figure you get what I´m trying to say)
12:18 <Ampera> ah fuck, I asked my dad to give me his archive of home video he had taken since I was very very young
12:32 <NeroTHz> K, I want it to be as representative of the actual process since since I don´t know how much impact cure style has on dielectric constant
12:41 <NeroTHz> there is one paper that suggested quite a bit of change
12:42 <Ampera> first video is christmas of 2003, it and all the rest is just back when my parents were still together and I had any semblence of a happy life
12:48 * Ampera smashes head into desk
12:57 <hsn> nice stuff i parked on the road and pressed danger lights to read somthing i dont understand .. ok i go back driving
13:05 <T3sl4> Ampera: whelp
13:59 <T3sl4> NeroTHz: yeah, so to know velocity you need the distance travelled
14:14 <K> wouldnt you need a comparative sample anyways? like - a slab, without curing layer effects?
14:16 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, indeed, and so I want to be at least able to measure it precisely
14:49 <T3sl4> how about printing a stack of different thicknesses, so you might not have accuracy from each one, but as long as the errors cancel out you can get a reasonable regression?
15:11 <NeroTHz> K, once I know the (approximate - I´m not hoping 3-digit precision here) dielectric constant, I want to 3D print electromagnetic structures like lenses and resonatorchains and so on
15:16 <T3sl4> (which could also show a slanted trend due to thickness)
15:23 <NeroTHz> so if there are any strange effects, I want them included anyways
15:29 <K> ah.
15:42 <NeroTHz> I think what I´m gonna do is just print a little disk tomorrow
15:46 <T3sl4> or the continuous version of that shape, a wedge or prism?
15:54 <K> print several
15:58 <NeroTHz> hmm. I will think about it
16:19 <NeroTHz> but I was thinking of printing a longer cylinder and then cutting it, so I can have precise flat surfaces, but still have it printed
16:33 <T3sl4> and you can print them in various orientations to see what effect surface roughness and directionality have
16:45 <NeroTHz> yeah, indeed
16:51 <K> dunno about fixing the epoxy in a lathe chuck
16:52 <NeroTHz> yeah, good input
17:04 <T3sl4> K: superglue?
17:13 <NeroTHz> I´m gonna just print a single disk tomorrow, no post-processing, and then just give that a shot
17:19 <NeroTHz> see if I even see anything in the first place
17:21 <T3sl4> hmm, you could put liquids inside such a structure, to get more variation in refractive index too
17:37 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, stop giving me great ideas, I only have so much years of phd´ing to do
17:42 <T3sl4> i know, right?
18:10 <T3sl4> i see exactly where you're going with this and it's full of cool fuckin shit
18:16 <NeroTHz> it really is
18:19 <T3sl4> you'll have to get some grad students to run the printers
18:37 <T3sl4> >:D
19:32 <NeroTHz> I have actually thought of making some kind of dielectric-resonator oscillator-based PLL on silicon, with a tiny bead as resonator
20:09 <T3sl4> that's not very unstandard, either; MEMS cavities and optoisolators come to mind
20:25 <NeroTHz> it would be a ´2 loop´ system - use the DRO as a low-phasenoise LO at about 100 GHz, so you don´t have the huge phase-noise hit because of all the frequency multiplying
20:58 <NeroTHz> and then have another loop to compensate for the error/long term drift of the DRO
21:02 <NeroTHz> based on a XO or such
21:37 <T3sl4> yup, which also gets you synth via programmable dividers
21:46 <K> 1000 oscilators!
21:53 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, if you think this stuff is cool - check Ruonan Han´s groups molecular clocks
23:24 <T3sl4> hah, so instead of atomic hyperfine levels, getting up close with a molecular mode
23:30 <NeroTHz> yes
23:54 <NeroTHz> and since you can do 100-200 GHZ stuff on CMOS ´easy´ these days, you can do it very integrated
23:57 <T3sl4> i guess it's not sensitive to pressure or temperature either, as long as some vapor remains in the volume and the density doesn't go so high that nonideal gas behavior screws things up
24:19 <T3sl4> (in part, that collisions would scatter the mode, i think?)
24:42 <NeroTHz> well, there are two problems - movement of molecules cause a dopler shift in their spectra
24:48 <NeroTHz> which causes spreading of linewidth
25:05 <NeroTHz> and increased pressure causes the singular quanta to collaps into wider lines, reducing precision
25:21 <NeroTHz> but lower pressure means less gas to absorb, which means your SNR decreases
25:41 <T3sl4> indeed
25:56 <NeroTHz> A colleague and I have been working on this a lot lately - including stuff with pumping at one frequency and measuring at another, essentially making molecular-masers
27:25 <T3sl4> or raman something or other?
27:37 <T3sl4> don't know if that's actually a thing at those frequencies
27:58 <NeroTHz> yeah
30:41 <NeroTHz> combined with THz sensing, I think this is a really prommising application, unlike communications
31:21 <NeroTHz> I feel that past 200 GHz, communication is just too much of a buttache in terms of SNR, apart from super-focused point-to-point where you can just use 100 dB antenna gain to fix all your problems
31:51 <T3sl4> i imagine there's a ton of room left to explore for e.g. medical noninvasive diagnostics too
32:28 <T3sl4> what's atmospheric absorption like up there? uh, there's a lot of holes i think?
32:38 <NeroTHz> generally not too bad I think
32:59 <NeroTHz> you have a few peaks, like the 60 GHz O2 line
34:18 <NeroTHz> medical is another cool field
34:24 <NeroTHz> lots of non-invasive celular too
34:58 <NeroTHz> I´ve seen some work of things like heating singular cells with >100 GHz signals, and then using the change in absorbtion spectra to figure out what is going on in the cells
35:26 <NeroTHz> but I´m nowhere near enough of a bio-guy to understand wtf is going on there
36:22 <T3sl4> wouldn't think there's a lot of microbio imaging/probing stuff to do with that, but injecting rotational/conformational energy in controlled ways could be extremely powerful (and also practically impossible to control..)
36:47 <T3sl4> and yep, you can target cells with waves that small, and on into IR
37:07 * electrohead offers his testicles as a test subject
37:12 <electrohead> zap them with whatever, lol
37:23 * T3sl4 testecoils electrohead
37:39 <electrohead> that would hurt, heh
39:03 <electrohead> at least I wouldn't have to shave them, anmore
39:05 <electrohead> anymore*
39:11 <Ampera> uwaeghawieghawiegawoiughawoieghiasehgaiuwehgoiawehgoiawuehgiuoegh
39:21 <T3sl4> it's the sort of thing that, at our current tech level, we can concieve of it being possible, but actually doing it will require orders of magnitude better understanding of molecular mechanics (e.g. we have a hard enough time predicting protein folding), and besides that, interfacing with it (we do have some early examples of phonon lasers and the like, but imagine phased and frequency agile arrays?)
39:57 <T3sl4> Ampera: llanfair
40:12 <Ampera> llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
40:22 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to go there
40:24 <Ysjoelfir> its a nice place
40:27 <Ysjoelfir> pretty wet though
40:37 <Ampera> they fuck sheep there
40:47 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno about that
40:47 <T3sl4> so do i
40:49 <T3sl4> wait
40:55 <Ysjoelfir> but if they have fun with that, enjoy
41:00 <electrohead> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
41:06 <electrohead> that's awesome
41:11 <Ampera> electrohead, I can say it too
41:22 <electrohead> at least you can :P
41:35 <electrohead> I don't know enough to even begin, heh
42:27 <T3sl4> how the fuck did they transliterate "tsh" into "ll"
42:33 <T3sl4> i hate this fucking language
42:34 <Ampera> you say it how it looks
43:25 <T3sl4> it looks like your face
48:58 <K> Facey McFaceFace
49:22 <Ampera> K, hah that's what I always get at McDonalds here
09:21 <T3sl4> mmm, perfectly roasted faces
10:09 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ
15:56 <NeroTHz> why the f*** is autodesk netfab giving me ads for fusion360
16:03 <NeroTHz> when I have fusion´s bigger brother, inventor?
16:17 <NeroTHz> ¨don´t use our $$$$ product, use our free one instead!´
31:19 <T3sl4> because they don't have enough of your money
31:31 <T3sl4> it's autodesk, such a thing is impossible
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04:25 <hsn> what a shitty day :)
07:06 * T3sl4 poops on hsn :)
16:16 <hsn> u cant poop on pooped on guy T3sl4
16:37 <T3sl4> why not? poop piles up just like anything else
16:47 <T3sl4> unless it's diarrhea, but i don't have that today
16:50 <T3sl4> oh wait, TMI :P
16:55 <rust_collector> mornings
17:14 <hsn> its .. not moral
17:17 <T3sl4> 'lo there, oxidized one
17:37 <hsn> morning rusty
17:52 <rust_collector> ollah
18:26 <hsn> aloha?
18:41 <rust_collector> ahola, it is from finland-land
18:52 <T3sl4> allah ackbar
19:14 <hsn> allah akbar, its from myland-land
22:02 <hsn> rusty my wife is doing the package .. she says .. she made an X to u guys as u take to my time from her and im not spending much time to her as to u guys :) !
22:17 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqbxzGgVu1vAAGbf6
22:22 <hsn> X
22:57 <hsn> also the packaging is made with electrical insulator tape .. usually its shit at sticking
23:07 <rust_collector> yeah, that Ysjoelpine guy takes a lot of time
23:26 <Ampera> my eyes are bugging the fuck out
23:34 * Ampera tears them out, replaces them with CCD's
23:42 <T3sl4> a new mikeselectricstuff appears! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-nt8gX_aGY
24:16 <rust_collector> chrome coated...d.. d... doorknobs?
24:59 <rust_collector> but how many mikeselectricstuff do we need?
25:01 <T3sl4> how erotic
25:08 <rust_collector> I thought 3 was enough
26:01 <rust_collector> ok, have fun. I am going to do stuff
29:52 <hsn> rust_collector
30:06 <hsn> what was the declaration paper i need .
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25:10 <rust_collector> uhm, yes, what was that called again... customs declaration, maybe?
27:01 <rust_collector> hsn, this is a fairly generic thing: https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/106/~/help-with-customs-and-sending-items-abroad
28:13 <rust_collector> this malaysian one looks the same as the norwegian one: http://airmaillabels.blogspot.com/2010/11/malaysia-custom-declaration-label-cn22.html
00:40 <rust_collector> mmmmm! I am having chicken insh allah today. it is not bad
06:40 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/61gokKX.jpg
08:25 <rust_collector> some times, I think a witch doctor would be better
17:52 <rust_collector> hsn, why are you not sleeping? are you just sitting there looking at us, without commenting, because of the wife?
25:12 <hsn> rust_collector, lol, no im watchinh netflix with her .. while she is actually Chatting with frnds on whatsapp .. and she paused .. and yes im nice and poor guy
26:32 <hsn> rust_collector, so if im shipping to germany i should include (germany customs declaration) or (bahrain one) ?
26:39 <steve30> o/
27:04 <rust_collector> bahrain, try to write in both languages, I guess. if you have space.
27:52 <rust_collector> the form is so standard that it does not matter which one you use really, but you use the one you get where you ship it
33:05 <steve30> i wonder if tonight would be a good time to go out on the bike
33:36 <rust_collector> well, why would it not?
35:12 <electrohead> o/
42:55 <rust_collector> oiioo
17:25 <T3sl4> Nurd Alert! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2OMNaHn_Y
48:47 <hsn> rust_collector, and others, good night :)
29:50 <electrohead> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/local-2/adult-film-star-ron-jeremy-sexual-assault-rape-charges/2421248/
29:53 <electrohead> damn
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45:51 * Ampera hugs and pets steve30 
46:23 * steve30 purrs at Ampera 
46:33 <Ampera> <3
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11:32 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
36:18 <hsn> mrnings
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35:11 <K> hello
37:48 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
37:59 <Ysjoelfir> * hello K
38:07 <Ysjoelfir> *coughs* hello K
38:11 <Ysjoelfir> hello EEVBlog
38:16 <Ysjoelfir> -.-
38:19 <Ysjoelfir> hello bot is broken again
42:43 <T3sl4> EEVBlog: bollocks
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01:28 <hsn> stupid bot
01:32 <hsn> stupid !
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14:38 <hsn> T3sl4, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Discrete_Flyback.pdf RS1 = 1M ?
15:11 <T3sl4> resistor for simulation
15:16 <hsn> ah
15:36 <hsn> i thought its like .. the cap they put in parallel with transformers
19:54 <hsn> a Y-capacitor between primary and secondary for EMI suppression
33:49 <Halcyon_> Evening all
33:51 <Halcyon_> Dammit
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34:15 <Ysjoelfir> bye Hulkion with Penis
34:22 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Hulkion without penis
36:30 <Halcyon> Why without?
36:35 <Halcyon> Oh
36:36 <Halcyon> :P
36:37 <Halcyon> Hahah
36:54 <Ysjoelfir> lol
38:26 <Ysjoelfir> Hulkion, join me and enjoy that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVG1dNygOgA
38:31 <Ysjoelfir> but sit down first xD
38:49 <Halcyon> After dinner :P
38:57 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, is there penis in the video ?
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> after dinner i'm already through watching it xD
39:31 <Ysjoelfir> no hsn. its about stuff like that: "So you're an atheist?" - "Yeah." - "Then you don't believe that a god exists?" - "Yeah." - "Then where do your get your moral values from?" - "....I have consciousnes." - "Where you get that from?" - "...My brain." - "AMAZING!"
40:06 <hsn> oh
44:33 <Ysjoelfir> "Hey dave! Does your wife obey you?" - "....no? why should she obey me?" - "why?" - "because she has her own head?" - "what for?" - "to... think for herself, and talk, and eat and stuff?" - "BETA!!!!! YOURE A BETA!!!!!!!"
44:39 <Ysjoelfir> wtf am I watching? :D
45:00 <Ysjoelfir> its very enjoyable watching the moderator trying to not lough so many times :D
03:03 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxJ09vUIKcI
03:09 <Halcyon> That is disgusting on so many levels
04:23 <Ysjoelfir> very strange :X
06:22 <hsn> i this dunut or night club
08:42 <ibiza> distrct 1
17:36 <Halcyon> I am pooped :(
21:48 <Ysjoelfir> ew!
21:54 <Halcyon> :P
22:05 * Ysjoelfir gets a new diaper and some wet sipes
22:07 <Ysjoelfir> *wipes
22:17 * Halcyon lays face down on Ysjoelfir's bed
22:48 * Ysjoelfir grabs hsn and quickly puts him into charge
22:52 <Halcyon> Hahah
23:04 <hsn> slowly charging
23:18 <Halcyon> I need to go to bed early tonight, I was up too late last night. I blame electrohead :P He kept me company.
23:22 <Halcyon> (Not in person)
23:27 <Ysjoelfir> lol
23:38 <hsn> yummy .. bed ..
23:49 <Ysjoelfir> remember to enjoy the video I posted
24:06 <hsn> i flipped my self last night .. and slept .. head in foot area .. just because i felt hot
24:12 <Halcyon> Yeh I will, not sure if I can muster them tonight, I'll listen to it in the car on the way to/from work
24:30 <Halcyon> hsn: Why would rotating 180 degrees make a difference?
24:47 <hsn> Halcyon, bcz air condition blows near that area
25:06 <Halcyon> Ahh
25:07 <hsn> short story .. it blowed me ..
25:08 <hsn> xD
25:11 <Ysjoelfir> XD
26:04 <Halcyon> I am trying to understand, the AC doesn't blow around the entire room?
26:45 <Ysjoelfir> if its like those I saw in turkey its basically just a wall unit that blows pretty concentrated onto one spot and hopes for the air to dissipate the... coolness
27:17 <Halcyon> Right
27:36 <Halcyon> You could pair it with a pedestal fan though to move it around?
27:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes
27:57 <hsn> Halcyon, hmm .. it has just this thing that rotates like +/- 45 degree in one direction ..
28:03 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: "So you're a theist?" - "Yeah." - "Then you believe that a god exists?" - "Yeah." - "Then where do your get your moral values from?" - "....from God." - "Where you get that from?" - "...Same as you. My imagination." - "AMAZING!"
28:36 <Halcyon> hsn, how hot is it there if the AC doesn't cool your bedroom?
29:56 <Ysjoelfir> XD true, coppice
30:13 <hsn> Halcyon, hmm it requires time to start cooling .. that AC is 18000 BTU (1.5 ton) or (24000 BTU) (2 ton) im not sure now .. at night its around 32C
30:58 <Halcyon> Sounds underpowered perhaps? No idea how that converts. We usually use kilowatts here to measure heating/cooling
31:02 <hsn> but the sun is heating the walls and the bricks all the day so im not sure if some of the energy is gone to the brick cooling ..
31:19 <hsn> kilowatts .. i would assume something like 1.5KW
31:32 <Halcyon> I see
31:37 <hsn> i took the largest i can .. i had to go to windowed AC
32:04 <Halcyon> Poor hsn... I hate trying to sleep when it's hot. I like it nice and cool when I sleep, about 15-16 degrees is nice
32:27 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely.
32:32 <hsn> ah i would enjoy 15-16 with a blanket .. with the shrimp position ..
32:38 <Halcyon> I remember when I used to do night shifts years ago and trying to sleep during the day in Sydney summer, it was impossible.
32:59 <hsn> shrimp position = explainatory name?
33:08 <Halcyon> I like a heavy blanket on top of me, even during summer. I can't sleep properly with just a thin sheet
33:31 <Ysjoelfir> yep @ hsn
34:16 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - I like to have HUGE blankets. i don't need that to be heavy as such, but I hate if I couldn't hide completely under it while being completely.. erm... holding hands and feets as far apart as possible
34:38 <Halcyon> Hahaha
34:59 <hsn> ok .. let me ask ..
35:07 <hsn> does ur feet go out of the bed ?
35:21 <Halcyon> Mine don't. I have a queen size bed
35:26 <Ysjoelfir> we germans have the tendency to use teeny tiny blankets. which annoys me. you lie there, completely flat, and if you want to have your feet covered the blanket stops at your chin
35:32 <hsn> how tall are u Halcyon ?
35:37 <Halcyon> 183cm
35:41 <Ysjoelfir> mine.... does if I want to. but I'm not that big, too
35:52 <Ysjoelfir> *do
37:11 <hsn> i have same size lenght wise .. king size ..
37:41 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: Its worse in the UK. Most beds are a little shorter than in Germany, yet the people keep getting taller
37:46 <Halcyon> I'd like a king bed
37:57 <hsn> but my feet goes out ..
38:07 <Halcyon> How tall are you hsn?
38:20 <hsn> idk .. last time i checked 188cm maybe
38:26 <hsn> or 186 ..
38:47 <Halcyon> And you don't fit a king?
38:57 <hsn> but i guess some 30cm goes away from the pillow side
39:08 <Halcyon> Our "King" is 183 x 203cm
39:36 <coppice> he sounds very fat
39:43 <hsn> i'll check the dimensions today .. i never measured after i bought it
39:50 <Halcyon> The queen and super king is actually the same length, all that changes is the width.
39:56 <hsn> lol , coppice
40:44 <hsn> the thing.. i think i slept on it on the showroom it looked perfect ..
41:05 <hsn> but now small part of the feet is out which is annoying ...
41:18 <Halcyon> Maybe you just need different pillows do you're not sleeping on the edge of your pillow?
41:25 <Halcyon> Perhaps your pillow is too high?
41:30 <hsn> yes
41:39 <Halcyon> That would probably help a lot
43:32 <hsn> i think i will measure tonight + check wife pillow
44:28 <Ysjoelfir> I had like 158072408 pillows for a looooong time and loved it, I just hugged the pillow pile as I usually sleep facing down. now I'm down to two big, SOFT pillows (the good ones with feathers, not those cheap shitty ones with some foam cubes in it) and one small-ish, soft childrens pillow which I can hug. I have the impression that I sleep way better
45:08 <Halcyon> I like a really firm, foam pillow
45:52 <Ysjoelfir> ew :P
46:07 <Halcyon> :P
53:56 <hsn> This ergonomic pillow looks like a standard pillow, but inside there’s a microfibre filling and a memory foam core that give good support and a feeling of sleeping on clouds
53:59 <hsn> from ikea
54:07 <hsn> but it felt im sleeping on mountains
54:09 <hsn> xD
54:14 <Ysjoelfir> yep
54:22 <Halcyon> I've never tried Ikea pillows
54:31 <hsn> so cloud wasnt bad word .. i couldnt complain
55:05 <hsn> its like .. u sleep like high (on weed) .. but then u sleep on high pillow .. cant complain ..
55:40 <Halcyon> This is the kind of pillow I like: https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/rosenskaerm-ergonomic-pillow-side-back-sleeper-70444367/
56:09 <hsn> it looks much better and cheaper than the one i 've
56:26 <hsn> i think this is mine https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/praktvaedd-ergonomic-pillow-side-sleeper-30446735/
56:47 <Halcyon> Mmmm
57:03 <Halcyon> Still not a bad price. Memory foam pillows here cost upwards of $200
57:12 <hsn> also yea i tried the one u shared .. my mother used to have healthy one or somthing
57:19 <hsn> its great
59:19 <hsn> also its break now .. but i worked 0% from morning ..
59:23 <Halcyon> I need new pillows
00:02 <hsn> i just came from 4days holiday .. and dont have the mood to work
00:31 <Ysjoelfir> Today started my last month here. so.... not much of a good mood either.
00:54 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, sorry but fck ur company .. :)
01:16 <hsn> i hate it
01:52 <Ysjoelfir> I heard you guys know about bombs and stuff? :D
02:15 <hsn> only molotovis ..
02:22 <Ysjoelfir> thats fine for me
02:52 <hsn> and u can pass it by the gate .. by saying u brinng a cocktail
03:05 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:07 <hsn> or a cocktail is beer alcohol in english which is forbidden ?
03:29 <Ysjoelfir> its allowed here :) well, maybe not at work.
03:54 <hsn> cocktail in here is like "fresh juice"
04:09 <Ysjoelfir> uh, I could need one of those now
04:38 <Halcyon> We call cocktails without any alcohol a "mocktail"
04:48 <Halcyon> Cocktails usually imply alcohol
05:36 <hsn> wait let me share u our cocktail
05:48 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/ht0u4l.jpg
06:03 <hsn> ignore the Cockatiel
06:06 <hsn> its written same
06:17 <Halcyon> Hahaha I was about to say :P
06:17 <hsn> way
06:21 <Halcyon> That looks like my bird
06:32 <hsn> i knewwww
06:37 <hsn> although i saw it once maybe
07:20 <Halcyon> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/eevblog-pets/msg2712844/#msg2712844
07:38 <hsn> so Ysjoelfir .. https://images.app.goo.gl/7NhYTqniwonp1ZXr6 << this bag is good to make the burning head of the molotov
08:43 <Ysjoelfir> very good, I have some of those from pakistanian rice
12:16 <hsn> also Ysjoelfir
12:22 <hsn> if u like sound effects
13:20 <hsn> u can insert few aluminum foil balls .. but i forgot with what
13:27 <Ysjoelfir> lol
13:57 <Halcyon> I'm going to go lay in bed guys. Talk tomorrow.
14:27 <hsn> cya Halcyon
16:49 <T3sl4> lay in a bed of guys?
16:55 <T3sl4> what a fag
17:20 <hsn> can i google fag ?
17:21 <hsn> :)
17:39 <coppice> yes. fags are something to do with pubic schools
17:55 <K> isn't fag a bundle of sticks?
18:19 <coppice> that's a faggot
18:24 <K> ah.
18:40 <coppice> also the root of fascism
20:32 <hsn> i like german wikipedia of (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak)
23:12 <Ysjoelfir> lol
36:57 <T3sl4> hsn, you can even bum a fag
37:05 <T3sl4> at least in UK and aus, but it's not recommended in US
38:32 <K> unless it is consensual
38:41 <T3sl4> exactly
39:23 <hsn> what is bum .. i googled and some lady like that famous actress was showing her ass
39:30 <T3sl4> could also burn a fag, which i think is more common in hsn's part of the world than here >_>
43:54 <Ysjoelfir> xD
44:19 <Ysjoelfir> Just came back from the store to fetch some lunch. They now have kabed unicorn farts
45:48 <Ysjoelfir> *baked
46:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YK5tm6eGFFfkv0gVm8cqQxX1d5-32jjl/view?usp=sharing
47:20 <hsn> what r these dunuts ?
47:28 <Ysjoelfir> baked unicorn farts
47:33 <hsn> bum dunuts
47:42 <K> those ar do'nots
47:58 <Ysjoelfir> to be precise they called that "unicorn bagle"
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55:18 <Ysjoelfir> that..... unicorn fart...
55:30 <Ysjoelfir> its probably one of the dryest things I ever ate
56:13 <hsn> dry fart
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> yes
56:34 <hsn> i wouldnt eat it just because i knew the name
56:35 <hsn> xD
56:47 <Ysjoelfir> additionally it... kind of... smells like grass
57:17 <Ysjoelfir> which seems reasonable if you see a unicorn as some kind of horse
59:40 * hsn also known as hsn_the_reasonable
01:47 <Ysjoelfir> see?
04:23 <electrohead> o/
04:39 * Ysjoelfir throws the second unicorn fart bagle at mr head.
04:42 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. head
04:46 <electrohead> lol, hey man
07:22 <electrohead> "fags are something to do with pubic schools" I laughed pretty hard at that
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35:27 <K> is he angry or surprised or what?
39:04 <T3sl4> neat, this inner loop dumps graphics to the display at almost 6MB/s
39:17 <T3sl4> paints 800x480 in just a few blinks
39:20 <T3sl4> at 24 bit color
39:21 <Ysjoelfir> he's daved, K
39:33 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 - what is "it"? :D
39:40 <Ysjoelfir> a magic picture device?
40:11 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DisplayFirstLight.jpg
40:48 <T3sl4> in that picture, the pixels are random uninitialized SDRAM, and they're the wrong format because i didn't have a power-on reset to get the display controller's PLL to behave
41:15 <T3sl4> the green board has a atxmega on it, and the spaghetti board has SRAM and Flash
41:25 <T3sl4> and i'm talking with a serial console
41:34 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty interesting
44:18 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DisplayCtrlTop.jpg
44:37 <Ysjoelfir> Did you take that pic with a potato?
44:55 <T3sl4> i don't know how that pic came out so bad
45:09 <Ysjoelfir> lol. but it looks professional :)
45:17 <Ysjoelfir> the pcb I mean, not the picture quality :P
46:01 <T3sl4> i probably shouldn't have done it on 2 layers, but the pinouts are so so nice, and it just kept kinda looking good enough that i didn't feel more was necessary
46:26 <T3sl4> RF sniffer shows a lot of noise over the SDRAM, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so i think it did okay
47:03 <T3sl4> the 64MHz clock has a bit of overshoot, seems ok
47:03 <Ysjoelfir> how fast is it?
47:07 <Ysjoelfir> ah
47:56 <T3sl4> the PLL registers are all right there, so i can overclock it with just a few serial commands
48:01 <T3sl4> it gets warm at 128MHz :P
48:11 <Ysjoelfir> lol
48:13 <K> xmegas are nice
48:31 <T3sl4> too bad it's not the one with the external bus interface, that would be slick as
48:52 <T3sl4> only the 128a1 has it, and i have the 256a3u
48:52 <K> registers make a lot more sense than megas, as i see it
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49:20 <T3sl4> the older megas are simpler, the xmegas do a good job of organizing things given that they have more junk inside
49:48 <T3sl4> though the naming is dumb, they never tell you the full name of a register, you have to guess
50:03 <T3sl4> so i tend to need to flip through the io.h to see how they've named it
50:58 <T3sl4> while the newer megas i think are kind of hybrid with a mix of both styles, dunno how consistent they are in naming or documenting
51:32 <Ysjoelfir> I have a rather big bunch of Mega 328 and mega 48, so I tend to use those....
51:40 <Ysjoelfir> never bothered with xmegas yet
52:18 <T3sl4> they're not at all worth it, most low level arms beat them on peripherals and speed easily
52:34 <T3sl4> but if you know avr already, it's not hard to migrate
53:19 <Ysjoelfir> then I might try that some time. regarding arms.. atmel has those, too IIRC? those SAM things? or am i mixing stuff up?
53:52 <K> sams yeah
54:02 <T3sl4> yep
54:32 <T3sl4> stm32 then probably atsam are the most, or some of the most popular
54:33 <K> on the pularity they are about same level as nxps parts
54:53 <K> stm32 is most used
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23:47 <Ysjoelfir> soooo.... small sidetask from a workmate: "I need you to design a circuit that outputs pulses at roughly 1 Hz when a button is pressed and increases the pulse frequency in steps if you press it longer. I don't want you to use any microcontroller". sounds like a nice small task.
24:03 <electrohead> 555 timer as a base?
24:11 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 - uh, fancy!
24:34 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead I would have used a 4060. because.... reasons.
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> never was a 555 fanbox
24:43 <Ysjoelfir> *y
24:50 <Ampera> I prefer 666 timers
24:53 <T3sl4> unstated steps and rate? nice
24:59 * T3sl4 kisses Ampera 
25:06 <Ysjoelfir> I prefer 69 times Ampera
25:06 * Ampera makes out with T3sl4 
25:08 * electrohead looks at said datasheet
25:25 <electrohead> ahh, I see why
25:32 <Ysjoelfir> ;)
25:36 <electrohead> haven't heard of this IC up until now
25:54 <Ysjoelfir> combine that with some analog switches and a second timer that steps through the analog switches... done
26:02 <T3sl4> how about a ATTINY with the number scraped off
26:08 <electrohead> lol
26:35 <coppice> lots of chips not sold as MCUs have an MCU embedded in them. Are they OK?
26:40 * electrohead throws a raspberry pi into the mix :P
26:52 * T3sl4 throws a raspberry pie at electrohead
26:58 <electrohead> xD
27:01 <T3sl4> wait no
27:05 * T3sl4 eats it first
29:32 <electrohead> anyone have any recommendations for a decently priced color printer/scanner combo?
29:59 <T3sl4> "i just want to scan a sheet"
30:03 <T3sl4> "fuck you replace cyan"
30:09 <electrohead> heh
30:27 <Ampera> electrohead, get one of the EPSON inkjets with ink bottles instead of cartridges
30:34 <electrohead> well, a color printer would be nice, already have a laser printer, black/grey scale only
30:44 <Ampera> we have one, it's excellent
30:53 * T3sl4 slaps Ampera with his Epson display controller chip
30:56 <electrohead> what's the model of it, just to look at?
30:56 <Ampera> surprisingly fast for an inkjet, and the ink is cheap
31:15 <Ampera> electrohead, there are plenty so I suggest looking around for something similar, not exact
31:19 <Ampera> models coming and going and whatnot
31:21 <Ampera> but let me look real quick
31:33 <coppice> "an inkjet, and the ink is cheap" does not compute
31:42 <Ampera> EPSON ET-3760
31:54 <T3sl4> canon's probably good too, i had a pixma for some years and it worked real well
32:03 <T3sl4> the ink cartridges were pricy tho, as you might guess
32:17 <T3sl4> refillable and not DRM'd, but the refills weren't all that cheap either so shrug
32:40 <T3sl4> just avoid the <$100 scams that make their money on DRM carts
32:58 <T3sl4> or with scanner that floor is probably more like $200? iunno
33:39 <Ampera> a bottle of black good for probably a thousand or two prints is 20 bucks
33:50 <Ampera> a set of color inks is 35
34:08 <Ampera> we bought the printer with a single set of ink bottles and we haven't even used half of it
34:37 <electrohead> ok, yeah I like these series of combo units
34:39 <electrohead> thanks!
34:40 <Ampera> also because there aren't DRM chips and shit, aftermarket ink might actually be viable too
34:57 <Ampera> might, do your own reading
35:09 <electrohead> I got my grandparents a canon all in one, and it worked out well for them
35:12 <Ampera> they also all have decent Linux support via CUPS
35:38 <electrohead> the only thing is, I'm trying to stay within a decent price range, I don't have several hundred dollars right now to shell out for a printer/scanner, guh
35:40 <Ampera> you can print and duplex using the generic ESC/P-R drivers
35:50 <T3sl4> Ampera, i want to C U P
36:33 <Ampera> new nvidia cards (probably) drop today
36:42 <Ampera> and I truly get to learn how much of a beating my wallet will take
36:45 <electrohead> $150 would be an ideal max right now, trying to save up for other things as well
36:55 <electrohead> heh, which new ones?
36:57 <Ampera> 150 bucks for a printer/scanner?
37:10 <Ampera> well go to your local wallace market and then pick whatever they have off the shelf
37:14 <Ampera> and then throw it out when you run out of ink
37:54 <Ampera> electrohead, the 3000 series cards
38:32 <Ampera> planning on going all in on a 3090 FE
40:12 <electrohead> damn, ok
40:20 <electrohead> imagine the price is going to be up there, heh
40:29 <Ampera> about as much as my phone
40:35 <electrohead> that's fucking crazy
40:41 <Ampera> <3
41:42 <hsn> ampera u are less than 3?
41:53 <Ampera> hsn, yes I am two years old
41:56 <Ampera> goo goo
42:01 * Ampera vomits
42:04 <hsn> <3
42:28 <hsn> eww eww .. no bad boy
43:19 <Ampera> did you just assume my gender
45:38 <K> YES I DID
45:44 <Ampera> oh ok
45:46 <Ampera> no problem
45:52 <Ampera> just wanted to make sure
46:18 <K> https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/amv30r2/aax7BJGK_700w_0.jpg
46:37 <Ampera> why are you throwing flip flops at dogs
46:46 <K> i am ilustrating.
46:54 <Ampera> who is the dog
47:15 <K> everyone, in a way
47:27 <Ampera> who is the flip flip
47:30 <Ampera> er, flip flop
48:32 <K> the insinuation(s)
53:34 * Ysjoelfir throws some 74HC74 at K
55:15 <hsn> what rf sniffer u have
55:18 <hsn> T3sl4,
55:30 * Ysjoelfir points at T3sl4's nose
56:52 <T3sl4> the nose knows noise
57:12 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/H-Probe2.jpg
57:31 <Ysjoelfir> its like us old techs figure out the temp of an soldering iron by holding it very close under the nose
57:47 <T3sl4> mmm, the smell of hot things
58:11 <Ysjoelfir> exactly. though I usually prefer a nose which is not my own to do that nowadays
58:26 <hsn> T3sl4, if u know google photos or instagram giving u memories .. soo hsn can ..
58:35 <hsn> this day .. 3 years ago : https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/CMBuck_Output.png
58:42 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, I see a.... heatshrunk niple in that line. is that just a connection or a circuit in the line?
59:10 <Ysjoelfir> aww hsn you're so sweet today :D first sharing bomb building instructions, now that
59:39 <T3sl4> that's just where the cables are spliced badly
59:47 <Ysjoelfir> I thought so.
59:55 <Ysjoelfir> so its a completely passive thing
59:57 <T3sl4> pretty sure there's a 51? ohm resistor by the loop
00:11 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnvcO0H7Hp0
00:43 <T3sl4> although it reads... 26 ohms at the connector end. i don't remember how it's wired internally...
00:44 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, bomb building was for educational purposes only
01:02 <Ampera> bombs are fun and easy
01:08 <Ysjoelfir> they indeed are
01:12 <T3sl4> hmm, i still have a few grams of potassium chlorate on hand
01:29 <T3sl4> need to find something useful to burn with that, some day
01:40 * Ampera extracts metallic sodium from T3sl4, compresses it into an ingot, and detonates it in water under pressure
01:56 * T3sl4 explodes Ampera coulombically
02:04 <hsn> T3sl4, maybe ask that electro carpet guy
02:19 <Ysjoelfir> its so funny how half the world is like "we ban bomb building instructions!!!!", if everyone whith half a brain should know how that would work. and if there isn't enough brain the problem would solve itself anyway
02:21 <hsn> the guy who put bricks on his washer
02:32 <Ysjoelfir> photonicinduction?
02:35 <T3sl4> ^
02:36 <hsn> yes
02:54 <Ampera> I suppose that's how you brick a washer
03:03 <Ysjoelfir> probably (lol)
03:14 * T3sl4 shoves a washer down Ampera's throat
03:20 * Ampera expires
03:31 <T3sl4> now you're choking but you can still breathe because it's a metal disc with a hole in it
03:32 <T3sl4> ha!
03:45 <T3sl4> and when you wheeze it whistles
03:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:54 <T3sl4> (probably)
03:55 <Ampera> of all the things you could have shoved down my throat T3sl4
03:58 <Ampera> why did it have to be that
04:00 <Ampera> :/
04:07 <T3sl4> what, were you expecting dicks?
04:08 <Ampera> :/ :/ :/
04:10 <T3sl4> ew thats gay
04:13 <Ampera> YES I WAS EXPECTING DICK
04:16 <Ampera> YOU SLUT
04:33 <hsn> stop the violance </3 hsn cries
04:52 * Ampera bitchslaps T3sl4's tuna sandwich onto the floor
04:56 * hsn goes to prepare one cock tail .. 
04:57 <T3sl4> i should buy you a naughty dragon something or other
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> I recently met a trensvestite who seemed... eager to mate. would that be sufficient, Ampera?
05:23 <T3sl4> were they from transsexual transylvania?
05:30 <Ampera> as soon as I look up that word because I've forgotten what it was supposed to mean
05:45 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, no.
05:51 <Ysjoelfir> no. and he...she...whatever wasn't particularely sweet either, T3sl4
05:57 <T3sl4> :)
06:18 * Ampera is not a transvestite
06:28 <Ysjoelfir> you don't have to be one to mate with one?
06:32 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/4Y5BszR.gif
06:38 <Ysjoelfir> exactly T3sl4
06:56 <Ampera> T3sl4, I will terminate your subscription to living
07:02 <Ysjoelfir> XD
07:08 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you're next
07:09 <Ysjoelfir> but the movie was great
07:20 <Ampera> I'm not even gonna ask what movie
07:23 <Ysjoelfir> aww, thats so nice of you Ampera :)
07:30 <Ysjoelfir> Rocky Horror Picture Show
07:42 <Ampera> not googling it
08:13 <hsn> who is this guy : https://i.imgur.com/4Y5BszR.gif
08:48 <Ampera> there is a wrong answer that will get you letterbombed
08:57 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/hqoCkZJkCFKMPzj69
09:15 <hsn> same guy ?
09:21 <Ysjoelfir> well... his first name is the same as T3sl4s
09:49 * Ampera hugs Timmothy
10:18 <hsn> Disappearance of Timmothy Pitzen
10:23 <Ysjoelfir> oh, Ampera, Meat Loaf also played a role in that movie.
10:23 * Ampera incinerates whoever that clown you're talking about is
19:10 <K> such negativity.
19:51 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, right?
20:10 <Ysjoelfir> we should build a circle and discuss their anger issues
23:39 <K> a circle made out of clowns
24:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNc303cwOHk
27:35 <hsn> i think im drinking water just because im happy with my new vacuum flask
31:09 <K> disgusting.
33:06 <Ysjoelfir> ew, water
34:11 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, my water is .. with few drops from the palm water
34:12 <hsn> :P
34:21 <hsn> the one u will try soon
34:23 <K> what is "palm watter" ?
34:33 <hsn> palm tree cum
34:35 <hsn> :)
34:54 <Ysjoelfir> uh, nice. I'm very very curious about that one :D
35:32 <hsn> u try it on tea and water
35:36 <hsn> very few drops
35:39 <hsn> is enough
36:42 <Ysjoelfir> another thing I tried and quite enjoyed was using rose water in some things. not only in food but also in a air... scent... creating thing
37:02 <hsn> hmm wait
37:28 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/CZhGGtjSStuB6JER6
37:40 <hsn> do u have this in europe ^ ?
37:49 <T3sl4> palm tree piss is stored in the coconuts
38:00 <coppice> rose used to be a common fragrance and flavouring. it seems to have gone out of fashion in Europe, although things like rose flavoured ice cream is common in India
39:11 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_water
39:24 <Ysjoelfir> not like this one, but smaller ones which are waaaaaaaaay more expensive
39:48 <hsn> this rose is widly available in iran i believe
40:03 <Ysjoelfir> which is why I was very happy to get a review sample once, like some years ago. but thats nearly empty xD
40:51 <hsn> i thought of buying that as well but i then i thought ... hmm .. i dont usually use it ... i dont know what advise to give about it . :P
40:54 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipwfi0fjPvk
41:01 <K> how about this rosewater, eh?
41:25 <hsn> thats pretty heavy rose K
41:39 <K> yeah
42:05 <K> industrial grade
46:05 <Ysjoelfir> lol
48:52 <T3sl4> nice
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