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14:17 <Ed> Hello there!
17:20 <Ed> My BM235 Meter is having an issue in resistance/continuity mode - if I switch from volts to resistance it is stuck on what it thinks is a dead short, and keeps beeping constantly even when there is no probes attached. However if I come from the diode test side, it seems to work fine until I short both leads, and then its back in the same state agai
17:20 <Ed> n. Not sure why this happens but its proving annoying. Firmware is "d" and batteries are good!
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07:46 <rust_collector> right on, mr ed
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15:25 <rust_collector> I think you have more issues than your meter, mr ed
29:15 <hsn93> im reading on Texas instrument is BAV99 is not that great to protect against ESD, surges.. is this true or they just try to sell one of their alternative products ? :D
30:12 <DHess_US> It works fine but it is not a low leakage diode.
30:53 <hsn93> hmmm then what i should use
31:14 <DHess_US> BAV99 but test them for the leakage you need because the manufacturer does not.
31:41 <DHess_US> I'd use 2N3904s and do the same thing.
31:58 <hsn93> when u test 1 ,, all others will be in same range right?
32:23 <DHess_US> If they are in the same lot, probably. But you can never really know.
32:32 <DHess_US> And how do you know you got parts from the same production lot?
32:43 <hsn93> 2N3904s -> npn ?
32:57 <DHess_US> yes
33:14 <DHess_US> But 2N3904s and many other small signal transistors typically have leakage as good or better than a BAV99.
33:45 <DHess_US> And the collector-base junction is tougher if you need that.
33:58 <DHess_US> still need to test them
34:28 <DHess_US> If you want to buy a low leakage diode which you do not need to test, then use the 2N4117 at 10 picoamps or the 2N4117A at 1 picoamp.
34:54 <hsn93> so u mean u use (base emitter) junction as diode ?
35:43 <DHess_US> For a 2N3904, both junctions are low leakage. The emitter-base junction is fast but only 7 volts. The collector-base junction is slow, but 40 volts.
37:00 <DHess_US> They are all good choices.
40:30 <coppice_> most diodes are quite low leakage at room temp, but warm them up a little and they simulate a sieve
47:53 <hsn93> so u connect the (IO to base) and emitter to vcc ? and then this will protect IO from >6v ?
48:37 <hsn93> IO -> the signal that will carry the surge
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00:15 <DHess_US> hsn93, no. The base-emitter junction has a reverse breakdown voltage of only 6 volts. You can use it that way if you like but usually you want to protect with the diode forward biased.
00:58 <hsn93> or u leave base unconnected ? ::: >> https://snipboard.io/zCyx3m.jpg
01:08 <DHess_US> So if you had a 0 to 5 volt supply, one diode would go from the signal to each supply and limit the input to roughly -0.6 and +5.6 volts
01:23 <DHess_US> The base is shorted to the other lead or collector in this case.
02:49 <DHess_US> The reason to use a 2N3904 transistor as a diode is that most discrete diodes aren't low leakage but most small signal transistors are. Transistor fabrication also makes for a better diode anyway.
03:01 <DHess_US> And 2N3904s are cheap.
05:39 <hsn93> So if you had a 0 to 5 volt supply, one diode would go from the signal to each supply and limit the input to roughly -0.6 and +5.6 volts
06:09 <hsn93> so (signal -> base) ,, (5v -> emitter) = 5.6v
06:49 <hsn93> and (signal -> base) ,, (0v -> collector) = -0.6v
10:49 <DHess_US> No
10:56 <DHess_US> You have to use two separate transistors.
11:40 <DHess_US> So signal to base and emitter to +5, and signal to emitter and base to 0
12:07 <DHess_US> What signal are you protecting?
12:29 <DHess_US> If it isn't a high impedance signal, then just use any diode like a 1N4148
12:58 <hsn93> just adc not high speed, but i used zener and aweful leakage was there
13:23 <hsn93> but a question if u use base and emitter, (isnt that junction very small physically) ?
13:30 <hsn93> wouldnt it heat very fast ?
13:52 <coppice_> a 1N4148 leaks really badly as the temp rises. Quite a few pieces of equipment suffer accuracy problems as the temp rises because they used some 1N4148s as cheap protection
15:21 <hsn93> also, (i really dont know the physics behind) but is there special thing about TVS so they designed to survive the surges. but using transistor above its limits = outside datasheet limitations ?
16:11 <hsn93> i mean if we use diodes to clamp, arent we beyond their abs max limits ?
16:28 <coppice_> The special thing about TVS diodes is the T part - they react quickly
17:18 <DHess_US> TVSs are built the same way avalanche rectifiers are. The junction is processed to be very uniform so that it all breaks down at once preventing hot spots.
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17:55 <DHess_US> All diodes turn on fast unless broken.
18:06 <DHess_US> And TVSs are not especially low leakage.
18:19 <coppice_> some are, some aren't
18:34 <DHess_US> hsn93, yes, the emitter junction is small. Use the base-collector junction if you want something tougher.
19:21 <DHess_US> Eh, none of them are low leakage or rather when they say "low leakage", they mean something orders of magnitude different.
20:21 <DHess_US> 1N4148 and similar switching diodes are gold doped which makes them leaky.
20:35 <DHess_US> Same for fast recovery rectifiers
20:52 <coppice_> people love their 1N4148s. They really need weaning off them
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21:43 <DHess_US> They should be using 1N4448s instead. :)
22:11 <coppice_> nah, use an 1N4007 for everything
25:08 <hsn993> guys u can joke but not when im around i dont know what is true what is sarcasm ..
25:15 <hsn993> :D
27:48 <hsn993> 1n4148 -> Ir = 50uA at Tj 150˚C
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29:53 <rust_collector> the standard editor
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31:25 <hsn993> 1N4448s -> 20uA @ Ta 150˚C
31:31 <hsn993> so that was not a joke
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33:10 <hsn993> Repetitive Peak Forward Current = 300mA <<---- will it servive surges ??
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34:40 <hsn993> 1N4448s was joke ? :D
35:06 <hsn993> i dont see any information about high current like IFSM 30A
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38:38 <hsn993> ok i've to go see u later thanks DHess_US, Coppice_
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21:09 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Ed
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> Hi rest
21:38 <rust_collector> hoi
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24:41 <rust_collector> I wonder if Ampera will kick ed many times, a bit later
25:49 <Ampera> lol
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30:41 <rust_collector> I guess not
30:45 <Ampera> rust_collector, I pulled out Xpra so I could hook into my graphical IRC client JUST FOR YOU
30:47 <Ysjoelfir> lol :P
31:05 <rust_collector> aaah, thanks, I think
31:22 <Ampera> lol
38:49 <rust_collector> are you cooking anything today?
39:18 <rust_collector> I just made noodles, with my special spice mix.
40:50 <rust_collector> I have a little bowl of those little spice mix baggies. I am not sure if someone uses them, or if they just throw them away after a while
43:35 <Ampera> rust_collector, probably not, I cook more often when I'm at home, but I'm staying with my aunt, uncle, and grandfather.
43:50 <rust_collector> oh, ok
52:15 <Ysjoelfir> what spices are in there rusty?
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00:57 <Ampera> and you see this is why I hate kiwiirc, because they just come back with a new hostname
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01:57 Kick: Ed was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
02:13 <Ampera> no clue if that banmask works
03:01 <Ampera> maybe I should program the EEVBot to do some automodding shit.
04:21 <T3sl4> what's wrong with Ed
06:50 <Ysjoelfir> I guess nothing, but some people just keep joining, leavingf, joining, leaving, joining, leaving,....
06:53 <Ysjoelfir> like forever
07:10 <Ampera> T3sl4, joinspam
07:26 <Ampera> the bans are 48hr, so if that's an actual person, they're not gone forever
07:43 <Ampera> but I've never seen them, and they're on kiwiirc, so probably someone left it in a tab and it keeps opening/closing or something
08:42 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, it is just garlic, black pepper, paprika, curry powder, and a little bit of vegeta
08:58 <Ysjoelfir> sounds good :)
09:02 <rust_collector> a dash of soy sauce when it is done
09:40 <rust_collector> it is just... not the usual mix they come with
10:06 <rust_collector> which is the important thing
38:58 <rust_collector> hmm, wife ran my car out of diesel. good times
39:28 <Ysjoelfir> why would she do that?
39:56 <rust_collector> because she was going to get more fuel, but did not make it that far, lol
49:58 <rust_collector> ok, time to teach wife how to get air out of fuel system
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55:11 <coppice_> well, she knows how to get fuel out of the system. tell her to extrapolate
05:40 <rust_collector> you know, some times you make too much sense
12:50 <Ysjoelfir> so nice :D
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15:03 <rust_collector> I think I will look for fish this week
15:44 <Ysjoelfir> in the fuel system?
16:18 <rust_collector> anywhere, as long as it looks tasty
16:53 <Ysjoelfir> When I went to norge I found many lakes where I could find fish...
17:01 <Ysjoelfir> shouldn't be to hart?
18:35 <rust_collector> Just looking up what I can expect to get, if I go fishing here, and... well, they have banned all fishing here, except something something "anadrom" fish
18:44 <rust_collector> I have to look up what that means
20:18 <rust_collector> anadromous fish. ok so that is a thing.
20:29 <Ysjoelfir> realy? oO since when? or just near oslo?
21:31 <rust_collector> in the oslo fjord, from the border between telemark/agder, and all the way around to sweden
21:41 <rust_collector> from 1/1-20
22:04 <rust_collector> http://www.fiskeguiden.no/index.php/11107-fra-1-januar-er-det-forbud-mot-alt-fiske-i-oslofjorden-2
22:21 <Ysjoelfir> meh. thats sad :(
24:14 <rust_collector> that is awesome, they have english and german versions of that site, but it only changes the menus and buttons
25:20 <Ysjoelfir> snakker dere ikke norsk? (IIRC.. :D )
25:59 <rust_collector> jau, me talar som me vil vettu
26:09 <rust_collector> Not like that
28:05 <Ysjoelfir> I guess I have to learn more, don't know what vettu means
28:13 <rust_collector> vet du
28:41 <rust_collector> "know(s) you"
28:52 <rust_collector> you know
28:55 <Ysjoelfir> aaah. ok. :)
33:55 <rust_collector> don't say I am the one with the weird language
33:59 <rust_collector> Tischkreissäge
34:19 <Ysjoelfir> I actually like norwegian. it sounds... happy :)
34:38 <rust_collector> oh, but that depends on which one you listen to
34:58 <Ysjoelfir> is that so?
35:11 <rust_collector> I think it is
36:01 <rust_collector> up north, they have a very colorful, but happy sounding dialect. Not suited for broadcasting
36:28 <rust_collector> oslo dialect is more dull and not very happy
36:59 <rust_collector> down south, they have more... melody
37:05 <rust_collector> if you get what I mean
37:16 <Ysjoelfir> I guess I do.
37:50 <rust_collector> Out west... ok, no one knows what they say, but it sounds like they want to stay over there
39:33 <Ysjoelfir> XD
39:56 <Ysjoelfir> Is that where they talk nynorsk?
40:12 <rust_collector> well. yes
40:57 <Ysjoelfir> I think it was better to chose bokmal for the beginning. sounded to me like the... more universal choice
41:22 <rust_collector> but there are degrees of nynorsk. where I work, in telemark, they also speak nynorsk, but it is nothing close to the dialect they have in say... voss
42:46 <rust_collector> I don't think it matters too much , because they are fairly similar, and they are really just written languages.
44:59 <Ysjoelfir> what makes it rather hard for a foreigner to learn it.
45:21 <Ysjoelfir> I tried writing with some people, that worked for some easy sentences, but listening to someone.. forget it :D
46:01 <rust_collector> you also have a thing I hear a lot from foreigners, that we do not say the words we read, which I guess is confusing
46:21 <rust_collector> like, we read: arne har en hund
46:35 <rust_collector> but we say: arne har ei bikkje
46:52 <Ysjoelfir> yep. thats... rather confusing :D
48:39 <rust_collector> it does confuse lithuanians
52:59 <rust_collector> I guess there is the english issue too. most people know enough english to just use that
02:53 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I noticed that. but I would love to be able to understand it and speak to people
03:19 <Ysjoelfir> basically because I don't think that this will be the last time I went there.
05:23 <rust_collector> I think you have to keep away from people with other dialects, than the place you are going. You have to get used to hearing the different dialects, I think.
05:38 <rust_collector> At least I have to
07:47 <Ysjoelfir> Is it that hard, even if you know the lanugage your whole life?
08:06 <Ysjoelfir> we have several dialects here ingermany, too, but you can more or less understand everyone
08:46 <rust_collector> the dialects can be very different. you can understand most of them, but at least I have some problems with some of them, until I get used to hearing them again
16:04 <Ysjoelfir> I guess that can lead to some rather awkward moments
16:20 <rust_collector> it is like hearing some indian guy talking fast. you have to really listen and concentrate.
16:43 <rust_collector> except if it is an indian guy, you still won't understand
17:28 <rust_collector> nah, I just blame it on my bad hearing, and say HÆ?
18:12 <Ysjoelfir> We have an indian guy at work. I am always confused when he starts talking (mostly english) with a strong indian accent.
18:16 <Ysjoelfir> and that head bob...
18:37 <Ysjoelfir> its so.... confusing when he is nodding his head and at the same time saying "no"
18:44 <rust_collector> yes we have mr sir
18:58 <rust_collector> no problem
19:05 <rust_collector> yesyesyes
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> yeeeep....
20:19 <Ysjoelfir> no no no, itse is allright sir! *shakes head*
23:48 <rust_collector> ok, time for a nap. good night nerds
24:00 <Ysjoelfir> sleep well :)
31:40 <Halcyon> Morning all
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34:52 <JoePublic> hello !
35:00 <JoePublic> is anybody here ?
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35:21 <JoePublic> hello obri :)
36:16 <Halcyon> Morning JoePublic
36:24 <Halcyon> Yep, just woke up, but have to go to work shortly :(
36:34 <JoePublic> damn, good luck !
36:38 <Halcyon> *grumbles*
36:40 <Halcyon> Where you from?
36:48 <JoePublic> I am preparing for a test that I will have tommorow
36:52 <JoePublic> I live in sweden ^^
37:24 <Halcyon> Ah nice
37:30 <Halcyon> Sydney here
37:37 <JoePublic> wow far away
37:41 <Halcyon> Yeh just a bit :P
37:45 <JoePublic> haha
37:56 <JoePublic> can i ask you a simle electronic question ?
38:13 <Halcyon> You can try, I'm not an EE, I think most of them are in bed. But go ahead anyway
38:57 <JoePublic> when vdd gets higher, the logic becomes faster, right >
38:58 <JoePublic> ?
39:08 <JoePublic> I am talking about transistors
39:30 <Halcyon> I don't think I can answer your question; That sounds more of a coppice_ or T3sl4 thing
39:35 <Halcyon> Not sure if they are around
40:07 <Halcyon> I would like to say "not necessarily" but I don't know enough
40:23 <JoePublic> okkay, thanks anyway :D
40:32 <T3sl4> hi
40:37 <Halcyon> There he is
40:45 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon on the eyeball
40:48 <Halcyon> :D
40:52 <Halcyon> Have a good day everyone
40:58 <JoePublic> hey @t3sl4 !
41:22 <T3sl4> JoePublic, what are you doing?
41:34 <JoePublic> preparing for exam :P
41:52 <JoePublic> and thats a true or false question with justification
42:23 <T3sl4> the exam asks a leading question that ends with ", right?"?
43:03 <JoePublic> no, my assumption is that the answer to that is true, that indeed with higher vdd i will have a faster response
43:59 <T3sl4> it can be true, but it's not a generalization
44:23 <T3sl4> CD4000 family i think isn't much faster, simply because its performance is so poor, the higher voltage swing works against it
44:55 <T3sl4> forget how TTL behaves at other voltages, but it's not intended to operate outside of 4.5-5.5V so that's kinda unfair
45:12 <T3sl4> i guess you're also assuming CMOS logic, but i have no idea if that's the context
45:22 <JoePublic> yes i indeed assume cmos
45:26 <T3sl4> silicon, probably poly gate, CMOS at that
46:22 <JoePublic> so it should generaly be true for cmos ?
46:24 <T3sl4> hm, i wonder how well that holds with the newest fine pitch processes too
46:43 <T3sl4> coppice_, you know much about finfets and stuff?
47:41 <JoePublic> I think the exam will not refer to state of the art technology
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04:58 <coppice_> T3sl4: like what?
05:16 <T3sl4> specifically speed vs voltage
05:51 <DHess_US> In general for CMOS that is the case because the channel resistance is lower lowering the RC time constant and the threshold volt is reached more quickly.
07:52 <coppice_> most CMOS will speed up quite a lot with voltage. CD4000 is an odd case, because genuine CD4000 is unisolated, which is why its so bloody slow. However, a lot of what is sold as CD4000 is actually revised stuff with is actually iso-CMOS
08:01 <DHess_US> The power relationship ends up being roughly the cube. The power is proportional to the cube of the frequency because the voltage is raised and charge is the square of the voltage.
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06:50 <Ysjoelfir> Wutt? Did Amperas house explode
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13:13 <Docster> anyone online?
13:21 <Ysjoelfir> no
13:40 <Docster> ever designed a simple solar controller?
16:37 <Ysjoelfir> nope. y?
17:05 <Docster> no, but I plan/hope to...
18:07 <Docster> preferably one which could handle a small wind mill also (I realized the input voltages would be different)
18:39 <Ysjoelfir> aren't there many many projects online where such a thing is built?
19:32 <Docster> yes, but not sure where to begin. I have a rough feel for the block diagram, but a bit overwhelmed
20:27 <Ysjoelfir> That would be an interesting project. why don't you start a topic @eevblogs project section and tell your thoughts, what you want to achieve and where you are stuck? :)
20:36 <Docster> I am thinking in and out voltage control/monitor, in and out current monitor/control,
21:03 <Docster> maybe buck boost? (but there are also so many chips which could help, the selection is dizzying
22:21 <Docster> I am fairly well versed in microchip, atmel, arduino, raspberry pi programming
22:42 <Docster> so I could read analog, and do intelligent pwm out
22:51 <Docster> and link in some mosfet drivers, etc
24:12 <Ysjoelfir> that doesn't sound to bad, why don't you just try it out? the basic idea seems to be there
24:46 <Docster> ok thank you. I will do some searching in the forums, and try some things this month
25:26 <Docster> do you know if there is a forum or chat related to regulations/laws for connecting to the grid (power company) for feed back of power?
25:43 <Docster> I suspect each country and region/company has slightly different rules related to that
25:52 <Ysjoelfir> that would be very specific to the country, so i dont think so
25:59 <Docster> ok thank you
26:23 <Docster> just curious, what is your area of interest or expertise?
27:04 <Ysjoelfir> Power electronics and metrology ;)
27:50 <Docster> awesome. so somewhat related to what I am trying to do here
28:14 <Docster> I have designed and created a couple of dozen of circuits
28:22 <Docster> but I have not done much with higher power/amps
28:33 <Docster> I hope to do that early this year
28:52 <Docster> including an inverter circuit
29:33 <Ysjoelfir> high currents and voltage is basically what I'm working with. I work for a company specialized in power measurement
29:57 <Docster> I might even experiment with circuits for a van. #vanlife I plan to purchase a fixer upper this spring
30:28 <Ysjoelfir> sounds cool. you should definitely share your projects in the eevblog forums
30:32 <Docster> so a few amps of draw
31:20 <Docster> (small heater in winter, small mircowave, and lights, small water pump for small sink, etc)
32:51 <Docster> Would you recommend n-channel mosfets for <6amp loads?
33:23 <Docster> or igbt?
33:24 <Ysjoelfir> it depends on the use case, you can't say "for x amps use that technology" :)
33:26 <Docster> or something else?
34:02 <Docster> ok, I welcome any insights
34:36 <Docster> I know there are various gate voltages, and various saturation resistances, and other factors
34:46 <Docster> but I am not sure the best way to decide
35:48 <Docster> ...part of my problem: there are too many choices :-)
36:35 <Docster> I also realize there are many considerations such as BOM, and cost
42:17 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, its rather hard. but its also a nice challenge. sad thing is, different people will give you different advice^^
42:59 <Ysjoelfir> if I say now "use that", one minute later T3sl4 could come round the corner and says that I'm an Idiot and you should do something different ;-P
43:35 <Docster> lol. I totally understand :-)
43:35 * T3sl4 slaps Ysjoelfir with a vacuum tube
43:51 <Ysjoelfir> sure, you could definitely use tubes!
43:59 <Ysjoelfir> I laaaik tooooobws
44:41 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/mketOZT.png
44:49 <T3sl4> though 6A is kind of a lot for most tubes
44:50 <Ysjoelfir> riiiight :D
53:17 <Docster> just curious, have either of you created an smps circuit?
57:49 <Ysjoelfir> sure
58:35 <Docster> do you recommend any books I could read? I am really interested in the math part
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59:15 <Ysjoelfir> as simple as it sounds: i learnt many stuff from the datasheets. especially TI have great ones
59:17 <Docster> I used to think that the reactance for inductor and capacitor would come into play
59:41 <Docster> but I usually do NOT see those calcs in spms videos, etc
59:54 <Docster> do you use TI simple switchers?
01:40 <Ysjoelfir> depends. I used many of those tmpsxxxx ICs for example, but whatever fiuts the application
02:57 <Docster> do you know if they have buck/boost switch chips?
03:07 <Docster> I mean buck boost
03:19 <Ysjoelfir> im pretty sure they have, even though i didnt use any
04:23 <Docster> I think I found one
04:25 <Docster> https://www.ti.com/product/LM5175
05:20 <Docster> that one recommended the next gen : https://www.ti.com/product/LM5176
05:50 <Docster> "... capable of regulating the output voltage at, above, or below the input voltage. The LM5176 operates over a wide input voltage range of 4.2 V to 55 V (60-V absolute maximum) to support a variety of applications."
06:09 <Docster> sounds pretty interesting (even for solar controller)
06:13 <T3sl4> the most basic calculation you need is V = L dI/dt
06:38 <T3sl4> match up the dIs and dts over the waveform and V is what the switches/diodes apply to the inductor, and there's your switching cycle
07:19 <Docster> ok thank you @T3sl4
10:27 <Ysjoelfir> going to bed. gn8 all
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39:24 <seaner> :)
46:09 <rust_collector> MORNING!!!
46:47 <T3sl4> mourning
50:35 <rust_collector> yes
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16:01 <DHess_US> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOFsNF5XUAE4unM.jpg
32:16 <T3sl4> obviously made for the tards that don't know what a dugong is
42:14 <coppice_> who came up with a name like dugong?
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05:58 <Ampera> Pan American internet outage, Verizon ground and cell affected.
06:12 <Ampera> EEVBot is gone for probably an hour longer.
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42:00 <AmperaBackup> q.q, austnet doesn't support IPv6
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30:35 <Ampera> eevblog status
30:35 <EEVBlog> Latest EEVBlog Tweet: Shame about those railway engineers that built that heritage that don't have an accredited 4 year degree, and can't call themselves an engineer any more under the new legislation... https://t.co/DcrKyIBEHP
30:40 <Ampera> services restored
42:19 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm confused... https://t.co/bWQ5Pit2lv
42:23 <T3sl4> Ampera status
50:31 <Ampera> T3sl4, tired, sad, and horny
50:47 * T3sl4 lubes up a knife for Ampera
51:05 <T3sl4> the lube contains sleeping pills or something
51:17 <Ampera> :)
53:14 <DHess_US> https://i.ibb.co/BNSSnj5/27654433-10155982035339336-5113980933538251664-n.jpg
56:28 <T3sl4> it's all in megahectozetas so it doesn't matter
57:30 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/JNSDkYk.jpg
04:55 <Ampera> I'm q.qing slightly because Verizon is taking forever to rollout IPv6
05:00 <Ampera> and I kinda want to play with real IPv6
06:19 <DHess_US> Just tunnel it. It works just as well with a tunnel.
06:41 <DHess_US> Unless Verizon blocks tunneled IPv6 like AT&T does.
06:51 <Ampera> DHess_US, but wouldn't I be at the mercy of the speed of the tunnel?
07:22 <DHess_US> Eh, not really or at least not any more than you woudl be at the mercy of your ISP's native IPv6.
07:50 <DHess_US> The automatic tunneling thing uses multicast to find the nearest tunnel endpoint.
08:03 <Ampera> well let me try it out
08:05 <DHess_US> It works very well.
28:14 <Ampera> DHess_US, I got it working with a shiny /48
28:23 <Ampera> and I also learned that netmasks work opposite to IPv4
28:42 <Ampera> so a /48 is like like an IPv4 /80 in that I get 2^80 addresses within that range rather than 2^48
28:56 <Ampera> and if you tell me I'm wrong I will smash my face in with a brick
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12:18 <hsn993> morning
19:13 <Ampera> morning
19:15 <Ampera> er
19:18 <Ampera> actually yes it is morning
28:31 <hsn993> its 9:11 AM
28:42 <hsn993> 9:28
31:40 <Ampera> 01:31 here
32:18 <hsn993> only 8 hours difference
36:02 <Ampera> hsn993, where do you live
36:14 <hsn993> bahrain, middle east
36:47 <Ampera> I had a debate with someone a couple days ago as to if Arabia was part of the middle east.
37:03 <Ampera> what with most general geographic terms being loosely defined
38:20 <Ampera> I personally took the point that the most insular states, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Afganistan were the middle east, with Iran being a maybe.
38:28 <Ampera> but it's interesting to hear that someone in Bahran considers it the middle east
39:41 <Stiff> ive heard people say abu dhabi is the middle east
39:48 * Stiff rolls eyes
41:09 <Ampera> Stiff, well that's similar geographically to Bahrain, at least in that it's near by
41:33 <Ampera> so if Bahrain is the middle east, it would serve that the UAE is too
42:19 <hsn993> yes
43:08 <hsn993> bahrain is inside the (persian gulf) near kuwait, iraq .. so all these countries would be considered as middle east
43:55 <Stiff> what about cyprus?
44:30 <hsn993> :D idk who put these region boundaries
44:45 <hsn993> just google image ( middle east region )
45:22 <hsn993> some images put turkey and cyprus some remove cyprus
46:23 <Ampera> turkey I can see /some/ argument, even if I think they're stupid
46:27 <Ampera> buy cyprus?
46:32 <Ampera> cyprus is almost greek
46:35 <hsn993> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
46:36 <Stiff> western asia/turkey/egypt
47:04 <Stiff> i agree ampera
47:27 <Ampera> I personally choose to exclude Arabia from the middle east, and keep it to the countries mentioned.
47:52 <Ampera> I would be willing to negotiate on Iran and maybe Pakistan, but as agreed, there is no solid definition
47:57 <Ampera> just people's personal opinions
48:15 <Stiff> pakistan is asia for me
49:43 <hsn993> because (politics/religious/whatever) interfere with geographic ?
50:41 <Ampera> well if you ask, what is the middle of the east, the middle between west and east
50:47 <Stiff> old timelines are confusing too, like the greater middle east is different to the middle east
50:50 <Ampera> you then have to ask what the west and east are, since we live on a globe
51:01 <Ampera> which are definitively political definitions, not geographical
51:16 <Ampera> in the grand scheme of things, east is a relative term, there is no absolute east.
51:37 <hsn993> east is where sun comes from *trolling*
53:02 <hsn993> u r right but i mean there is somthing everyone agrees on even if its relative
53:29 <Stiff> ampera, in america east side is new york, carolina and florida?
53:34 <hsn993> :D
53:41 <Ampera> Stiff, but that's relative to America.
54:00 <Ampera> If you're on the other side of the world, then California becomes easternmost, and New York is westernmost
54:12 <Stiff> gotcha
54:33 <Ampera> since the earth, to much the dismay of those who joke otherwise, is not flat
54:48 <Stiff> is there any states that are claimed as east but more south or north?
56:13 <hsn993> i like how game of thrones defines them ..
56:23 <hsn993> no disagree
57:12 <Ampera> Stiff, we have an interesting concept known as the midwest
57:21 <Ampera> which isn't really the middle of the west, as it's all in the eastern half of the country
57:30 <Ampera> but it's in the western part of the eastern half of the country
58:09 <Ampera> What is definite and absolute is north and south, as there is a point you can be where it is impossible to be more north, and there is a point where it's impossible to be less north
58:12 <Ampera> same with south
59:34 <Stiff> so if you said im in midwest, its actually closer to canada?
00:11 <Stiff> how confusing
00:31 <Ampera> Stiff, no.
00:44 <Ampera> If you say midwest you are closer to New York than California
01:12 <Ampera> though the midwest is actually northern more, as if you go south from midwest ala canada, you hit the south
01:25 <Ampera> potentially the deep south, which are places like louisiana and alabama
16:59 <Stiff> just had a look on google i get it now, .au is very easy
22:30 <hsn993> how word inject its name in pdf ? https://snipboard.io/ubwgsB.jpg
22:36 <hsn993> ms word
26:21 <steve30> maybe it came from the Window title?
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36:44 <hsn993> yeah idk why, could be (printed as pdf) not (saved as pdf from ms word) ?
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49:10 <Ampera> I've gotten the DNS forwarder to work in pfSense, which does internal DNS resolving
49:28 <Ampera> it's configured so all DHCP hostnames are registered as DNS hostnames
32:24 * Ampera slaps Halcyon with a spatula
54:53 <Halcyon> :)
54:56 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
55:00 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
55:15 <Ampera> I am now on IPv6.
55:26 <Ampera> With my home's internet connection.
55:38 <Halcyon> Hooray!
55:42 <Ampera> I have a /48 block.
56:04 <Ampera> also, since it was something I just learned, did you know that IPv6 netmasks work backwards to IPv4?
56:10 <Halcyon> Yes
56:12 <Halcyon> And it annoys me
56:15 <Ampera> well I didn't
56:17 <Ampera> I don't mind it.
56:27 <Halcyon> And they are called "prefixes" now
56:39 <Ampera> pfsense calls them netmasks
56:47 <Halcyon> Which makes much more sense
56:52 <Halcyon> Keeping with the current standard
56:55 <Ampera> and afaik that's still what they're called.
57:05 <Ampera> but at the end of the day IPv6 is not IPv4, and is not supposed to be the same.
57:16 <Halcyon> Most vendors call them prefixes
57:32 <Ampera> who cares what they're called
57:41 <Ampera> anyways, I signed up for a tunnel broker, and I get decent throughput
57:43 <Halcyon> I will continue to call them netmasks
57:51 <Ampera> apparently the filter IRC traffic though, and is one of the only things they filter.
57:52 * Halcyon breaks Ampera's tunnel
58:01 <Halcyon> What? Why IRC?
58:06 <Ampera> They quote abuse.
58:10 <Halcyon> Riiiight
58:18 <Halcyon> Maybe if they are from the 1990s
58:27 <Ampera> I think it's just a way to get techies to take their IPv6 certification program
58:45 <Ampera> which is free, but requires you to certify you have AAAA records, an IPv6 email server, and a load of other shit
59:06 <Ampera> I have everything I need to do it, I'd just have to sink loads of time into, which I probably will some day.
59:30 <Ampera> I also got the DNS forwarder working, which I hadn't had enabled before
59:42 <Halcyon> Very good
59:50 <Ampera> and have set it to resolve DHCP hostnames, which is nice, so I can do AmpServer instead of the IP
00:01 <Halcyon> \o/
00:17 <Ampera> I went to see my grandfather's electrician cousin yesterday.
00:33 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
00:36 <Ampera> He gave me some excellent advice and insight, and also showed me a huge collection of neat shit
00:39 <Ampera> and then gave me some neat shit
00:46 <Halcyon> What did you get?
01:02 <Ampera> I've walked away with two 1920's Model 101 case telephones, sadly with no subscriber boxes, and they don't have the dials on them
01:11 <Ampera> but I'm not going to turn up telephones from the 20's
01:17 <Halcyon> What will you do with them?
01:26 <Ampera> Attempt to refurbish them over time.
01:40 <Ampera> Clean them up, find a way to install dials into them, fabricate semi-modern subscriber boxes for them
01:51 <steve30> I like the idea of prefixes. It makes a lot of sense to me.
01:56 <Ampera> ^
02:08 <Ampera> IPv6 has made more sense to me than IPv4.
02:34 <steve30> Being used to v4, its taking me quite a while to get my head around v6.
02:47 <Ampera> Ideally I'd have one of them as my desk phone to replace my Model 500, since they are definitively cooler.
03:15 <Ampera> Well I honestly wasn't much used to IPv4, since networking is one of my greatest weakpoints, so reinventing the wheel doesn't throw me so much.
03:30 <steve30> But prefixes basically mean "My ISP has given me "2001:8b0:bba5:7993: and I can have anything I want after that
03:41 <Ampera> aye
04:06 <Ampera> it blows my mind that I have 2^80 IP addresses to my name
04:07 <Halcyon> *nod*
04:10 <Ampera> afaik my range is static too.
04:48 <Halcyon> Soon we will have internet connected dust and you will run out :P
04:54 <Halcyon> Then we have to go through all this shit again
05:09 <Ampera> I also was given some neat outlets and fuses.
05:19 <steve30> Halcyon, better start learning IPv7 then
05:31 <Ampera> I had never seen US fuses, which are no longer installed in houes, and haven't been since before I was born, so he gave me a few to look at.
06:02 <Ampera> He also gave me an US/Australian plug.
06:14 <hsn993> IPv7 is solid
06:30 <Ampera> don't say that word, you'll get Halcyon excited.
06:56 <Halcyon> What? Solid?
07:07 <Ampera> read what I wrote
07:27 <steve30> opposite of solid?
07:41 <hsn993> liquid :D
07:42 <Halcyon> Flaccid
08:34 <Ampera> Halcyon, did you see what I said about the US/Australian plug?
08:45 <Halcyon> Yes. Why would that be interesting? I have fucking heaps of them :P
09:12 <Ampera> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Americanaussieoutlet.jpg
09:17 <Ampera> Because they are AMERICAN plugs.
09:26 <Ampera> not Australian, because, as I gather, you took one of our unused designed
09:27 <Halcyon> Because they aren't switched?
09:36 <Ampera> but this is a made by Hubbel, made in US outlet.
09:47 <Ampera> I have a bad habit of mixing the words plug and outlet :P
09:54 <steve30> hehe
10:03 * steve30 passes Ampera a switched socket to play with :D
10:20 <Halcyon> I think our plug/socket is superior, even to the UK one because you can't step on the prongs
10:50 <steve30> I don't think I have ever stood on plug prongs
11:05 <Ampera> :P you're no fun Halcyon
11:10 <Stiff> ours is the best plug
11:21 <Ampera> if it's Shucko, I agree.
11:22 <Stiff> and everyone should use 240v
11:27 <Halcyon> Stiff: We do
11:39 <Ampera> but this isn't an Australian socket
11:45 <Ampera> it's the socket that came before it.
11:56 <Stiff> dont you use 120v?
12:03 <hsn993> 120v sucks
12:08 <hsn993> it barely kills!
12:36 <Halcyon> It barely boils water :P
13:09 <Ampera> http://members.iinet.net.au/~cool386/plug/plug.html
13:22 <Ampera> Stiff, we have 240/120 service to homes, using a 3 tap transformer
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13:56 <Ampera> Halcyon, look at link
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14:25 <Halcyon> I am looking
14:32 <Stiff> yeah still see some of them older plugs in hertitage houses
14:42 <Halcyon> I have seen this site before
15:03 <hsn993> UK plugs
15:12 <Ampera> I was given a Hubbel branded US made/designed plug that eventually became the Australian standard
15:15 <Ampera> but this plug existed before that.
15:24 <Ampera> er, socket
15:35 <Ampera> why the fuck do I keep saying plug
15:43 <Halcyon> Because you're a moron?
15:44 <Stiff> hsn993 yeah the older ones we have are uk
15:49 <Ampera> must because I keep thinking about penises
15:53 <Halcyon> :P
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16:41 <Ampera> I'm excited about this because I like odd plugs, and I'd never thought I'd see one.
16:54 <Ampera> I think I may start a socket collection
16:55 <hsn93> steve30 now u changed from uk to shocko ?
17:06 <Halcyon> Ampera: You should, like John Ward
17:12 <steve30> No, we have BS1363 still
17:23 <Ampera> John Ward is nice, but I get strangely bored by his videos.
17:30 <Halcyon> He has a calming voice
17:42 <Ampera> iirc he's one of those people who make videos ten times longer than they need to be.
17:52 <Halcyon> Mmmm, I haven't found that
18:09 <Ampera> Dave is sadly similar, which is why I don't watch him as much as I used to
18:12 <hsn93> BS1363 is always facing upward so u can step on ..
18:29 <Ampera> since I can't sit through his hour+ mailbags where he spends 20 minutes opening one box.
18:40 <Ampera> even though I like him and the content
19:01 <Ampera> Fuck you all, I like my NEMA outlets, and my insane wiring and standards.
19:22 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmtzQCSh6xk
19:27 <Halcyon> Oh NEMA :P
19:28 <Ampera> God dammit, we were here first, we invented the standards before you all, and we didn't have WW2 to bomb the shit out of us.
20:48 <Halcyon> Oh where's Ysjoelfir... What the hell are you German's thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9Wp6QVbsk
21:26 <Ampera> Halcyon's digging through grandpa's old meme box for sure
21:40 <steve30> hsn93 etc, here are some plugs on my floor. Four are loose, and out of those four, only two are sticking up.
21:40 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/plug_orientation.JPG
21:42 <Ampera> if you're going to insult germans you might as well add this to the pile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvS351QKFV4
21:59 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
22:09 <Halcyon> I wasn't insulting, I was asking WTF
22:21 <Ampera> and I swear to FUCK if you talk SHIT about Dscinghis Khan, I will turn your micropenis into a pretzel so fucking fast it will make the BELGIANS queasier than both World Wars COMBINED
22:32 <Halcyon> I like the music
22:38 <steve30> Yes, one of those plugs wouldn't get the John Ward approval.
23:12 <Ampera> Looks like a pile of caltrops to me, steve30
24:03 <hsn93> steve30 this folder is better than yesterday :D
24:34 <steve30> yeah, this one has years worth of 'stuff' in it
24:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, in about 40 hours or so, I'll be back home.
24:58 <Ampera> also eat good music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpl2g7CJ2HE
25:14 <Ampera> and if you tell me it's region blocked I will eat your penis so hard not even the LA beast could match me.
25:46 <Halcyon> It works.
25:53 <Ampera> your penis lives to wank another day.
26:18 <hsn93> can i surf that folder?
26:20 <hsn93> steve30
26:47 <steve30> sure
27:11 <hsn93> wise_complaint.txt
27:12 <steve30> There's even a couple of Vorbis files of Halcyon in there
27:13 <hsn93> :D
28:25 * Ampera OGGles Halcyon's voice.
28:59 <Ampera> AKA, UK prison accent
29:20 <Ampera> anyways since Halcyon's ignoring me, I'm going to go to sleep, Good night frens.
29:29 <hsn93> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/warning.jpg :D :D
29:43 <hsn93> disappearance from some classes
29:46 <hsn93> hahaha
29:57 <steve30> :)
30:14 <steve30> I left that course a month later. It was a bit crap.
33:09 <hsn93> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/stupidimac.jpg
35:53 <steve30> I need to pop out, back soon
39:31 <Halcyon> Love it hsn93
39:35 <Halcyon> Sounds about right
39:42 <Halcyon> I was on the phone Ampera
43:17 <hsn93> found steve meow's at halycon
54:57 <hsn93> ok im done
54:59 <hsn93> :D
18:54 <K> hello
26:52 * steve30 back
28:10 <steve30> I miss my old GTK theme
28:10 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/clearlooks_steve.png
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01:44 <Halcyon> Pong
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04:09 <Ysjoelfir> Someone wanted to insult germans? :O
04:59 <hsn93> no
05:06 <hsn93> i love germans
06:04 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
09:57 <Ysjoelfir> I never get hugs :(
09:58 * Ysjoelfir sobs
10:37 <steve30> aww
10:41 * steve30 hugs Ysjoelfir instead
10:53 <Ysjoelfir> yay <3
13:42 <Halcyon> :)
13:55 <Halcyon> I'm eating a falafel
19:01 * steve30 is nibbling on brazil nuts
19:10 <Halcyon> Like a squirrel
19:52 <Halcyon> Squirrels are cute, I don't think we have them here?
20:13 <Halcyon> Oh apparently we have two types
20:17 <steve30> We have them
20:41 <Halcyon> Grey squirrels and Indian Palm Squirrels
20:45 <Halcyon> I have never seen one in the wild though
21:29 <Halcyon> Oh Steve, did you see this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-13/uk-journalist-pranked-into-holding-a-drop-bear-during-bushfires/11863942
22:57 <steve30> We get loads of squirrels here. Just go to your local woodland :).
26:25 <steve30> hehe
28:25 <Halcyon> Silly Scots
36:24 <K> whatsa drop-bear?
36:38 <rust_collector> oooh, it is evil
36:50 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear
37:33 <steve30> Oh, so they aren't real? I always assumed they were.
37:43 <steve30> Having said that, we don't really get bears here
37:48 <Halcyon> No, hence the prank :P
37:55 <Halcyon> Koala's aren't even bears
38:02 <Halcyon> They are a marsupial
38:05 <rust_collector> surt they are real, they just want to you to think they are "fake"
38:14 <steve30> I didn't watch the video, I just skimmed through the article.
39:01 <K> that drop bear in the wiki photo sure looks dangerous
39:10 <Halcyon> Yeh, they are vicious :P
39:16 <K> damn australia, even the cute is trying to kill you
39:22 <Halcyon> Speaking of Vicious, did you finish watching it Steve?
39:29 <steve30> yes
39:32 <Halcyon> Thoughts?
39:37 <steve30> gay
40:00 <rust_collector> they want you to thing drop bears don't exist, just like they want you to think belgium does exist
40:26 <Halcyon> Hah yes it was gay
40:27 <Halcyon> :P
40:49 <K> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOB_rRUXsAMILU7.jpg:large
40:58 <Halcyon> Heh
41:01 <Halcyon> Cute seal
41:17 <Halcyon> I also like Otters
41:17 <K> not amused
43:26 <rust_collector> https://flyawaysimulation.com/media/images11/images/Viking-DHC6-400-Twin-Otter-fsx1.jpg
43:39 <Halcyon> Not that kind :P
43:45 <Halcyon> Too noisy
44:01 <rust_collector> yeah, because it it two
45:13 <Halcyon> I should go to bed
45:17 <Halcyon> It's...
45:19 <Halcyon> eevblog time
45:19 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 22:45 Sydney time.
45:40 <steve30> me too
45:49 <rust_collector> i think the bot should have more times we could choose from
45:59 <Halcyon> I agree
46:22 <Halcyon> The idea originally was mine. I said people who come here should be able to see what time it is at Dave's place
46:37 <Halcyon> But yeh, 'eevblog time steve30' would be cool too
46:41 <Halcyon> (And so on)
46:46 <rust_collector> hmm, yes
46:52 <Halcyon> Ampera
46:54 <Halcyon> Make it happen
47:16 <rust_collector> something to do on the way home
47:30 <Halcyon> He said he would be home shortly
47:37 <rust_collector> ok
47:50 <Halcyon> Oh 40 HOURS
47:54 <Halcyon> I thought he said 40 minutes
47:55 <Halcyon> :P
47:58 <rust_collector> heh, right
48:00 <Halcyon> He is sleeping
48:07 <rust_collector> oh well
48:13 <Halcyon> He'll be up soon
48:30 <rust_collector> we should somehow connect the bot to his alarmclock
48:30 <Halcyon> Anyway speaking of sleep, I'm off
48:35 <Halcyon> Hahahaa
48:37 <rust_collector> have fun
48:41 <Halcyon> You too
49:02 <Halcyon> Make him wear a collar that vibrates every time someone talks about him :P
49:21 <rust_collector> uhm well, I
49:22 <rust_collector> ok
49:31 <Halcyon> :P
50:20 <rust_collector> go to bed mr H
50:36 <Halcyon> That strangely works, since my surname also starts with H
50:52 <rust_collector> HH
50:59 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon bed
51:07 <Halcyon> I just changed the sheets Steve :)
51:09 <rust_collector> well, that makes it easier if you go to iceland
51:35 <Halcyon> How so?
52:03 <rust_collector> they use your first name
52:18 <steve30> ooh, clean sheets
52:21 <Halcyon> Is that not common in most Western/Euro countries?
52:39 <Halcyon> Oh you mean Mister [Firstname] ?
53:04 <steve30> I'm off for a shower
53:06 <rust_collector> the phone book is by firstname
53:13 * Halcyon turns on the camera in Steve's shower
53:18 <Halcyon> Oh that's odd
53:29 <Halcyon> Also, what's a phonebook? :P
53:55 <rust_collector> don't even try, I know you are old enough to know that
54:25 <Halcyon> How do you know?
54:58 <rust_collector> I work for the postal service. I have sources of information.
55:42 * Ysjoelfir snacks on tomatoes, hoping those aren't rotten this time
55:48 <Halcyon> Hahah
56:05 <Halcyon> I'm not in your country
56:12 <Halcyon> Nor listed in any postal or phone database
56:15 <rust_collector> does not matter
56:27 <Halcyon> (My address doesn't even come up on our own Government driving licence system)
56:57 <rust_collector> I don't even have a drivers license, so HA!
57:13 <Halcyon> You don't have to have a drivers licence here to be on the database
57:41 <Halcyon> You can still have a customer ID if you've registered any vehicle or conducted business with Roads & Maritime Services
57:49 <rust_collector> Some times i think we can find out more about people than the somewhat useless inteligence agency we have
57:52 <Halcyon> But because of my job all that is suppressed
58:04 <Halcyon> Not even Police can look up my address
58:34 <K> maybe noone even watns to look up your address
58:36 <rust_collector> they don't need to look up your address, they just have to know where you live
58:38 <Halcyon> Good
58:44 <Halcyon> I don't want people knowing where I live
58:52 <rust_collector> well, someone does
59:02 <Halcyon> My parents and my closest friends
59:25 <K> what i was going at was - maybe noone likes you!
59:36 <Halcyon> I have a PO Box for those who don't like me :P
59:49 <rust_collector> poo box
00:01 <Halcyon> Please don't send me poo
00:02 <Halcyon> :P
00:17 <rust_collector> and mayonaise
00:24 <Halcyon> Mayo I like
00:28 <Halcyon> Especially whole egg
00:32 <gremlinz> what u got Halcyon, a PV, NV1/2?
00:39 <Halcyon> gremlinz: Yes
00:52 <Ysjoelfir> you like mayo, so you must be russian. or at least a slav. :P
00:53 <Halcyon> :P
01:05 <gremlinz> which one? :p
01:11 <Halcyon> Things
01:12 <rust_collector> kurwa kurwa
01:18 <Ysjoelfir> that is polish
01:24 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: If you must know, my parents are both Finnish
01:28 <Halcyon> But I was born here
01:33 <Ysjoelfir> I know, you already told me :)
01:39 <Halcyon> Ja
02:02 <Halcyon> gremlinz: It's something we don't talk about :P
02:09 <Halcyon> (at least in detail)
02:09 <Ysjoelfir> I can accept that fins count as russian. finland being independent must be just a rounding error while placing russias border.
02:15 <Halcyon> Hahaha
02:27 <Ysjoelfir> :D
02:29 <Halcyon> Yeh, I'll accept that
02:37 <rust_collector> they are pretty russian, for being swedes
02:46 <Halcyon> They seem to be a little less crazy but a lot more into death metal than the Ruski's
02:53 <gremlinz> haha ok
03:00 <rust_collector> that is the swedish part
03:04 <Halcyon> *nod*
03:10 <Halcyon> I prefer Rick Astley
03:22 <rust_collector> never gonna blahblah blah
03:27 <Halcyon> That's the one
03:53 <Halcyon> He also did "She wants to dance with me"
03:56 <Halcyon> That was a good song
04:03 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwD4iYcWC4
04:26 <rust_collector> being a mix of rick astley and death metal guy... uhm, what is the average of that
04:36 <Halcyon> Hmmmm
05:24 <rust_collector> as all metal people secretly like pet shop boys, it must be that
06:17 <Halcyon> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Rick+Astley+divide+death+metal
06:22 <Halcyon> I don't know, I broke it?
07:00 <Ysjoelfir> XD nice
07:02 <rust_collector> I thought he was older
07:38 <Halcyon> This seems relevant: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+would+a+dog+see+the+image+of+Rick+Astley
08:14 <rust_collector> he is short too. ok
11:41 <rust_collector> didn't you say something about going to bed?
11:50 <Halcyon> Oh shit yes
11:54 <Halcyon> I fell into an internet hole
11:57 <rust_collector> well, forget that
12:04 <rust_collector> if you could
12:09 <rust_collector> you know
12:13 <Halcyon> I'm out. Later guys.
12:18 <rust_collector> but
12:20 <rust_collector> if you
12:20 <Halcyon> Mmm ?
12:26 <Halcyon> Turn back time?
12:30 <Halcyon> If I could find a way?
12:31 <rust_collector> err How can I say this
12:47 <rust_collector> yes?
12:53 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKbwR7WXN4
13:22 <Ysjoelfir> isn't that the usual thing? i once searched for meringue and got after a few hours of wikipediaing to german WW2 hand grenade...
13:32 <Halcyon> Haha indeed
13:35 <rust_collector> all the good stuff in the list of suggested vids there
13:36 <Halcyon> Bloody rabbit holes
13:52 <Ysjoelfir> which was the moment I was like "wait... didn't I just want to know how to make meringue?"
13:58 <rust_collector> youtube and wikipedia
14:27 <Halcyon> I need to do some reading before bed, so I'm going to be super late
14:27 <rust_collector> must be awesome for unemployed people
14:36 <rust_collector> great!
14:52 <rust_collector> superman
15:01 <rust_collector> ta ta DAAAA
15:01 <Halcyon> Hardly, it will take a lot of coffee in the morning
15:15 <rust_collector> as usual
15:16 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm really off this time
15:25 <rust_collector> oh yes, sure
15:27 <Halcyon> </Halcyon>
15:31 <Ysjoelfir> :P
15:35 <rust_collector> nerd
16:36 <rust_collector> see? he never started that thing, so now the end thing is just text
17:07 <hsn93> going for the damn toilets ..
17:27 <rust_collector> no wonder they have crap internet down there
19:45 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-hSgL1R74
20:24 <Ysjoelfir> nice find :D
20:37 <rust_collector> on and on, and on..... and on....
20:53 <rust_collector> neverending stooooorryyyyyyyy lalala
22:02 <rust_collector> I thought this one was a nice find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzAd4PNCaY
23:34 <Ysjoelfir> sounds intriguing, I'll listen to it after the meeting that starts soon :D
24:06 <rust_collector> Yeah, do that, I like it, and it is not even black metal
25:13 <rust_collector> that one, somali yacht club, the various versions of mt kilimanjaro darkjazz ensemble.
25:18 <rust_collector> and stuff
35:17 <MrMobodies> Hello
35:41 <rust_collector> hoi hoi
36:14 <MrMobodies> That sounds okay
36:29 <MrMobodies> That Russian Circles - Station [Full Album]
36:44 <MrMobodies> just went out yesterday to London
36:50 <rust_collector> yeah, I think it is nice
36:53 <rust_collector> oh ok
37:09 <MrMobodies> if there was any stress
37:19 <MrMobodies> it was the Satelliate navigator
37:27 <MrMobodies> lesson learned to put in in 2D
37:40 <MrMobodies> when it is in 3D, go to a roundabout
37:58 <MrMobodies> it "calculating...." and everything disappears few signs there
38:09 <MrMobodies> the driver was huffing and puffing
38:21 <MrMobodies> I think it was a Garmin
38:27 <rust_collector> I would not want to be near london in a car
38:39 <MrMobodies> it was redirecting us to closed roads
38:51 <MrMobodies> telling us to do Uturns too
39:01 <MrMobodies> but I switched off the voice
39:03 <rust_collector> sounds like a garmin, yes
39:19 <MrMobodies> 2d map, wherever we go, just draw the possible routes... no stress
39:51 <MrMobodies> there is a template on there with a road sign on slip roads
40:03 <MrMobodies> too small to read, but they put an arrow on the slip road which can be confusing
40:24 <MrMobodies> so i am going to see if I can switch that off from appearing
41:08 <rust_collector> maybe.... buy a map?
41:13 <rust_collector> they are pretty awesome
41:18 <MrMobodies> I know on a I went in once Landrover I think I remembered it auto switching from 3d on residential stress, and 3d on the motorways
41:29 <MrMobodies> Yes, that's what I set it to do
41:41 <rust_collector> no no... a paper map
41:42 <MrMobodies> just be a map, tell us where we are...
41:45 <MrMobodies> oh
42:08 <MrMobodies> no nagging with maps
42:15 <MrMobodies> all down to the driver
42:22 <rust_collector> I tend to use google maps at work, it works pretty ok
42:47 <MrMobodies> I like that Google Earth
42:59 <rust_collector> yeah, it is fun,
43:00 <MrMobodies> and sometimes the 3d buildings
43:14 <rust_collector> I have always had a thing for maps
43:36 <MrMobodies> apparently I hear they have made it compulsory for tests
44:01 <rust_collector> eh?
44:11 <MrMobodies> for passing the driving test
44:19 <rust_collector> heh
44:24 <rust_collector> that is interesting
44:34 <MrMobodies> In England have to pass a driving test
46:04 <rust_collector> so do we, but they only care about #1 you paying #2 that you can drive around, without killing allthepeople. No one cares if you can figure out where you have to go or not
46:12 <MrMobodies> If the test includes listening to a voice, "turn right", "do a uturn"... go away, "that's what the instructur is ther efor" I'll have to complain.
46:42 <MrMobodies> I passed my knowledge bit in 2012 but failed that hazard perception for not clicking enough
46:55 <MrMobodies> now I have a reference number to get the help I need.
47:09 <Ysjoelfir> [13:46:05] <rust_collector> so do we, but they only care about #1 you paying #2 that you can drive around, without killing allthepeople. No one cares if you can figure out where you have to go or not
47:16 <Ysjoelfir> ^ thats pretty much the same in germany
47:33 <MrMobodies> so I can get in and drive... that's nice
47:34 <rust_collector> I notice I am pretty happy I got my liceans when I did
48:04 <rust_collector> og lord satan, let me spel a werd
48:11 <MrMobodies> it is almost like they try and "micro-manage?"
48:54 <MrMobodies> well hopefully it'll go right this time
49:04 <rust_collector> or left
49:05 <MrMobodies> if I fail do it again
49:16 <Ysjoelfir> I made my car license in a thunderstorm and my motorbike license in the snow with puddles of ice on the roads. that was great.
49:29 <rust_collector> well, figure out what you do wrong, then don'ẗ do it wrong
50:31 <rust_collector> I think the best part was the skid track day. that was fun
50:35 <MrMobodies> "at the front of the car, click, in the middle, click, at the back click." two cars the same but don't click near the middle" according to the Driving Standards Agency"
51:00 <MrMobodies> oh and no background dangers only apparent
52:14 <MrMobodies> it was almost appeared like a game this hazard perception but... shouldn't be
52:49 <rust_collector> wth? I really have no idea about what you are talking about. . did they make a confuser game?
52:59 <MrMobodies> sorry
53:04 <MrMobodies> when you do your exam
53:12 <MrMobodies> they want you to sit on a computer screen
53:29 <MrMobodies> multiple choices (knowledge test of road symbols, rules etc)
53:35 <rust_collector> right
53:35 <MrMobodies> then they do like a video
53:45 <MrMobodies> of a road and cars
53:56 <MrMobodies> you are suppose to click on hazards
54:11 <rust_collector> heh, ok
54:12 <MrMobodies> if a car is on a single lane
54:20 <MrMobodies> that is considered a hazard
54:27 <MrMobodies> where you have to slow down an dpull over
54:42 <MrMobodies> if someone is walking across the road
54:42 <Ysjoelfir> is it?
54:49 <MrMobodies> that is a hazard, one mouse click
54:58 <MrMobodies> one car =3 clicks
55:13 <MrMobodies> two cars in series = 5 clicks (no click in the middle)
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> Oo
55:19 <MrMobodies> as to what I was told
55:32 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds... don't know, stupid?
55:33 <MrMobodies> if there is danger further on, no click
55:45 <MrMobodies> If you fail that
55:50 <MrMobodies> you also fail the whole exam
55:55 <MrMobodies> and have to sit the knowledge test again
56:23 <MrMobodies> this "hazard perception" explains everything you have to do in ten pages of writing
56:35 <MrMobodies> and it is very simple when explained
56:55 <MrMobodies> I just needed a reference number, so I'd have a certain day and someone to explain the questions.
57:21 <MrMobodies> ohh not questions sorry
57:26 <MrMobodies> the harazard perception bit
58:12 <rust_collector> I just keep getting more happy about taking my test before they could afford computers, and indians to make "games" We just had to worry about understanding what exactly they were actually asking about
58:38 <rust_collector> What can I say.... good luck
58:50 <MrMobodies> in that case it would be luck
58:52 <MrMobodies> thanks
59:22 <Ysjoelfir> My parents' test was like.... "here, have 20DM." - "Thanks. Now drive around that corner. brake. turn right. park there. Ok, done, here's your license"
59:38 <MrMobodies> I like that... simple
59:46 <MrMobodies> oh the only hazard perception I see on the the roads as of lately are...
59:54 <MrMobodies> people texting on their phones and not looking at the road
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