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00:02:01 <Ysjoelfir> Whats going on guys? nothing to say today? :)
00:02:42 <K> it's fraaaaaiiiday
00:05:39 <K> that damn emoji is messing up my screen
00:06:52 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
00:23:50 <Ysjoelfir> emoji? :D
00:27:56 <K> that lightning bolt or whats it
00:28:27 <K> either sceen or my iterm2 messes up
00:37:10 <Ysjoelfir> I don't see any emojis
00:37:13 <Ysjoelfir> oh
00:37:15 <Ysjoelfir> i see it
00:37:41 <Ysjoelfir> the left one is a lightning bolt and the right one... a .... cookie?
00:38:06 <K> i see only lightning bolt
00:38:56 <Ampera> I love it when Unicode makes programs freak the fuck out.
00:39:12 <Ampera> I'm too lazy to get it to work on my terminal IRC client, so I just see "?"'s
00:50:02 <Ysjoelfir> :D
00:50:17 <Ysjoelfir> When do we get a timezone database for the bot? :P
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01:11:04 <Ysjoelfir> Don't hide, Ampera!
01:11:12 <Ysjoelfir> We know you're here!
01:11:50 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, whenever I get to it.
01:12:11 <Ampera> I need to do a load of stuff in the backend to get to that point, and there are things that take priority
01:12:12 <Ysjoelfir> Wouln't that be a nice project for the weekend? :)
01:12:41 <K> "if a man says he'll do it, he'll do it, no need to nag him every 6 months"
01:12:41 * Ampera points to the 50 foot high pile of weekend projects he's got on the deus
01:13:11 <Ysjoelfir> I agree with both statements :)
01:15:25 <rust_collector> hey... you
01:19:22 <rust_collector> no ok
01:19:37 <rust_collector> I figured people would be happy it is weekend and all that
01:20:34 <K> time to suffer - alone, oposed to suffering at work
01:20:35 <Ampera> It's Friday here
01:20:48 <Ampera> I'm waiting to be interviewed for a job.
01:21:00 <K> what kind of job?
01:21:02 <rust_collector> oh, that is good/bad
01:21:26 <K> it's great if you like suffering!
01:21:31 <Ampera> QA.
01:21:33 <rust_collector> yeah
01:22:11 <rust_collector> quantum astro...something?
01:22:17 <Ampera> Quality Assurance
01:22:22 <Ampera> I'll be testing software
01:22:26 <rust_collector> close
01:22:59 <rust_collector> I guess it is something to do
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01:25:49 <rust_collector> so, if you get the job, when will you move to dehli?
01:50:10 <steve30> apparently one of my amazon items has been shipped by Amazon Logistics.
01:50:36 * steve30 hopes it fits through the letter box
01:50:50 <K> amazon.de just told me the x-chapters book has been dispatched
01:51:34 <rust_collector> who does amazon use for shipping things?
01:51:49 <steve30> They have their own dodgy service, Amazon Logistics
01:51:59 <rust_collector> heh
01:52:08 <rust_collector> that is weird
01:52:30 <K> it depends, some get shipped by courier, but some just arrive at the post office and i get a notice slip in post box
01:52:45 <K> haven't lost any yet
01:53:03 <Ampera> In the US, at least where my grandfather lives, Amazon's deliver service are actually quite good.
01:55:22 <rust_collector> The book I got from amazon was delivered by the regular post
01:56:26 <rust_collector> I only have one thing from amazon, so 100% of them were delivered by the post
01:59:07 <steve30> I haven't used Amazon in years. only did this time because I had a voucher.
01:59:17 <steve30> When I last used them they used the royal mail.
02:06:27 <K> royal!
02:40:29 <rust_collector> not common mail
02:41:48 * Ysjoelfir leaves work. Have a nice weekend :)
02:42:09 <rust_collector> I am having a nice weekend
02:42:23 <Ysjoelfir> I know, you always have :P
02:42:27 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
02:42:29 <rust_collector> all week
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03:31:42 <Ysjoelfir> re
03:31:51 <rust_collector> re re re re re
03:32:11 <Ysjoelfir> I love restauration videos, but.... why would you do that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRXdfTJu20
03:34:22 <rust_collector> when there is a fire at the candy factory?
03:34:34 <Ysjoelfir> I thought so too
03:34:41 <Ysjoelfir> looks more like caramel than plastics
03:35:09 <Ysjoelfir> especially since it looks pretty much "new" on the inside
03:35:40 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least not like it has been in a fire
03:36:01 <rust_collector> new is one thing, but it looks like it is amuminium, and I can not say i have seen many plastic coated alloy drills
03:36:22 <Ysjoelfir> I haven't seen any at all
03:37:01 <rust_collector> but ok, maybe there was a big bag of sugar on a shelf above ir
03:37:05 <rust_collector> it
03:37:13 <Ysjoelfir> could be.
03:37:54 <rust_collector> hmm, you know. I have seen something similar, but it was not as brittle
03:38:28 <rust_collector> I am not sure about what it was, but I had a turbocharger that got a blob of something like that on it
03:38:48 <Ysjoelfir> I guess Halcyon would love to put the candy coated chuck into the mouth :D
03:39:07 <rust_collector> this channel....
03:39:25 <rust_collector> yea, maybe
03:41:10 <Ysjoelfir> did you see the part of the vid where he puts the drill parts into a pot?
03:41:23 <Ysjoelfir> I don't believe there is a plastic that dissolves in water that fast
03:41:57 <rust_collector> no, I am more than 15% sure that is burnt sugar
03:42:16 <Ysjoelfir> I would up that to 50%
03:42:38 <rust_collector> more than 50 is more than 15, so I am still correct
03:43:31 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very correct to me
03:44:03 <rust_collector> but in the end, it is a very nice looking wrist breaker
03:44:40 <Ysjoelfir> definitely.
03:45:16 <Ysjoelfir> speaking of breaking things...
03:45:29 <rust_collector> yes, come on, that is my thing
03:46:02 <Ysjoelfir> last time I was at work with my motorbike one of my workmates wanted to try to start it. I told him to be careful since it tends to kick back if you kick it wrong
03:46:08 <Ysjoelfir> well, he smashed his knee cap.
03:46:54 <rust_collector> great! then he probably won't ask again
03:47:35 <rust_collector> I like the big harleys, when they replace the electric starter, with a kick...thing
03:48:21 <rust_collector> when they pretty much have to stand on it, and "jump" on the...crankifyer
03:49:27 <Ysjoelfir> well, you don't have to stand on mine (i dare you to do that, you will break the kickstand if you do so!), but its... tricky to start using the kickstarter
03:50:00 <Ysjoelfir> but IF you can do it.... it looks like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z7Qo27gr70
03:52:18 <Ysjoelfir> and if you are to stupid.... this happenes https://youtu.be/tjpu7NzLXJo?t=51
03:52:40 <Ysjoelfir> when you are especially lucky it boosts your knee either into your face or the handle bar
03:53:22 <rust_collector> I sort of want an ural, but without the side...seat-box thing
03:53:39 <Ysjoelfir> no problem, i take the ural WITH the sidecart :)
03:53:46 <Ysjoelfir> or an dnepr
03:54:49 <rust_collector> well, yeah, but I think the ural is less badly built. but ok, most things probably interchange between them
03:55:27 <K> i was told that most things on those bikes can be fabricated by hand, if need be
03:55:34 <rust_collector> putting the dnepr side cart drive system on urals is pretty popular
03:55:35 <K> apartt from castings
03:55:50 <K> but even then pistons have been done
03:56:03 <rust_collector> yeah, sure.
03:56:20 <rust_collector> you can bore the cylinders, and use lada pistons
03:57:02 <rust_collector> being an opposed twin, it is balanced ok, even if you change the pistons to something pretty different
03:57:23 <Ysjoelfir> A workmate is from russia. I was somehow sad as he told me that he drives an opel and not either a lada or wolga or gaz or whatever
03:57:35 <rust_collector> hah
03:58:31 <rust_collector> the big old volga is pretty cool. just needs a serious engine swap
03:59:22 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know why, but I have a slight faible for those eastern things.
03:59:30 <rust_collector> yea
03:59:53 <Ysjoelfir> maybe because of the way they think like "that must be repairable!" instead of us western people that are like "oh, if it breaks after 2 years and one day its perfect!"
04:01:29 <rust_collector> oh well. no bike for me
04:02:09 <rust_collector> I am not interested enough to get a drivers license for a bike. not to mention insurance
04:02:41 <rust_collector> I think there should be something between a moped, and a light bike
04:04:06 <rust_collector> I am allowed to drive just about anything, except a bike that can do more than 45
04:04:47 <Ysjoelfir> My Volvo needed a new exhaust recently. let the mechanic put it under the car because I was lazy. he told me great stories about how modern cars seem to be made to break.
04:04:48 <Ysjoelfir> nah. you should get one :) it is fun!
04:05:34 <rust_collector> yeah, that is also a thing. it is fun, so it gets even more expensive
04:06:45 <rust_collector> that is the good point of an ural. you can fix it with a hammer, and you can only get caught for speeding in school zones and such
04:07:24 <Ysjoelfir> is it so expensive in norge? I pay 40€ for insurance and 19€ for tax per year.
04:07:30 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, that is what i like about them, too
04:08:28 <Ysjoelfir> one thing he told was so great... he had a reasonable modern mercedes that needed an oil change. told it in the display. so they exchanged the oil - still said "oil change needed"
04:08:39 <rust_collector> I am not sure about the cost for a shit bike like that, but getting the d/l is what stops me from even looking it up
04:08:59 <rust_collector> yeah, you have to reset the thing
04:09:24 <Ysjoelfir> nono, at this one you didn't need to. the car had a sensor in the oil sump that detected the oil change. but it didn't notice that. guess why.
04:09:29 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, the license is expensive :/
04:09:33 <rust_collector> 80's dodge vans, and probably others had a 9v battery powering a "service light" timer
04:10:47 <rust_collector> hmm, did the old oil build a small "burnt oil igloo" around the sensor?
04:11:06 <Ysjoelfir> naah. that would be to logicaly.
04:11:21 <Ysjoelfir> the car had a second sensor, noticing if the hood opens
04:11:23 <Ysjoelfir> that was broken
04:11:28 <Ysjoelfir> no open hood - no oil change
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04:18:00 <rust_collector> damn engineers
04:18:58 <rust_collector> I bet it was the same guy that figured the wipers should get disabled if the hood was open on the vw touran
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04:22:41 <Ysjoelfir> potentially
04:22:53 <Ysjoelfir> interested in another one?
04:23:16 <rust_collector> touran? no thanks
04:23:31 <Ysjoelfir> nah. another story about great car engineering
04:24:28 <rust_collector> mmh, is it about the construction of the mercedes 123, where they hang the heater core from a string in the roof, and build a car around it?
04:24:49 <Ysjoelfir> erm, no. its about turn lights
04:24:55 <rust_collector> ok
04:25:49 <DHess_US> Is that like GMC who decided that the car should only start if the seatbelt is fastened, and not always then?
04:26:10 <Ysjoelfir> you know how old cars stop blinking after turning? with that little nipple on the steering shaft that unlock the indicator switch?
04:26:20 <Ysjoelfir> lol, that sounds interesting DHess_US
04:26:28 <DHess_US> Or their fucking theft prevention system, which you get whether you buy it or not, that prevents push starting a GMC vehicle that has a manual transmission.
04:26:51 <DHess_US> Ysjoelfir, true story. That dropped that feature after some lady got raped because she couldn't get her GMC car started.
04:27:19 <DHess_US> They were being innovative or whatever it was called back then.
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04:27:20 <Ysjoelfir> ...lol. another reason for not buying new cars
04:27:39 <DHess_US> GMC has prevented push starting for decades now.
04:28:06 <DHess_US> Dead battery? Fuck you, pay us.
04:28:18 <DHess_US> Broken starter? Fuck you, pay us.
04:28:26 <Ysjoelfir> naaah, its only for your safety
04:29:57 <DHess_US> Honestly it never occurred to me that someone would make a manual transmission car and design it to forbid push starting until I bought a 2002 GMC pickup. Next time I buy a vehicle, I will know to ask and make the salesman prove it.
04:30:40 <DHess_US> Of course this is the same company that "improved" the human factors engineering of their shifters to kill people.
04:30:47 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
04:31:25 <rust_collector> gm has a lot of crap in their history
04:31:50 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Yelchin#Death
04:32:29 <DHess_US> https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2019/12/10/fiat-chrysler-defective-shifters-class-action/2630714001/
04:32:32 <Ysjoelfir> could be that the turning indicator thing was a gm brand car , too? XD
04:32:44 <rust_collector> otoh, I do remember helping to tow start a plymouth superbird....with an auto..
04:34:08 <rust_collector> ok, so... who makes these shifters? back in the day, chrysler and gm both used saginaw steering columns
04:35:50 <DHess_US> The change in the shifter was obvious. It's just two switches now and does not provide positional feedback. It's like a paddle shifter but with one paddle and in stick form.
04:36:16 <DHess_US> Anybody familiar with human factors engineering could have told them it was a dumb idea that would get people killed.
04:36:41 <DHess_US> Like all the fucking touch screen controls in cars now which encourage distracted driving.
04:36:59 <rust_collector> well, to be honest... there are plenty of people. I do not see the problem
04:37:38 <DHess_US> They should replace airbags with sharpened metal spikes to prevent rear end collisions.
04:38:42 <Ysjoelfir> I am a big fan of natural selection
04:38:59 <rust_collector> I am not, it takes too much time
04:39:11 <Ysjoelfir> well, man made natural selection
04:39:16 <Ysjoelfir> if you are to stupid, you die.
04:41:19 <rust_collector> yeah, I remember old people talking about that kind of stuff. but now they just train everyone else to be equally stupid
04:51:08 <rust_collector> which makes me wonder... spaghetti, or pasta screws?
04:54:13 <DHess_US> angle hair
04:56:48 <Ysjoelfir> Penne.
04:58:21 <rust_collector> so I guess pizza
05:06:37 <Ysjoelfir> Döner.
05:09:36 <rust_collector> döner pizza would be a great thing
05:11:07 <rust_collector> but, I am stuck with mince meat and tomato sauce, and xxxx
05:19:10 <Ysjoelfir> I would suggest minced meat with tomato sauce
05:19:16 <Ysjoelfir> and some xxxx on top
05:20:57 <Ampera> Well, word is I've pretty much got the job.
05:21:19 <Ampera> With a tentative start date of Feburary, but it might be as soon as my 18th birthday in four days.
05:23:11 <Ysjoelfir> gratz :)
05:23:34 <Ampera> thanks
05:24:53 <rust_collector> having a job is good
05:27:42 <Ysjoelfir> at least sometimes
05:27:55 <Ampera> having money is good
05:28:10 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
05:28:19 <Ysjoelfir> with money you can buy test equipment!
05:28:21 <rust_collector> I think having a thing you have to go to is good
05:28:31 <rust_collector> at least for a while
05:30:02 <Ampera> I'm looking to build a new PC, but my money is being budgeted.
05:30:18 <Ampera> I'm expecting in the ballpark of 600USD/week after tax, potentially a bit less
05:30:32 <Ampera> so most of that has to go into savings or low-risk investments.
05:32:09 <rust_collector> is this a job you can combine with other jobs, or training?
05:32:23 <Ampera> rust_collector, no it's a full time, this is what I do, job.
05:32:31 <rust_collector> ok
05:32:35 <Ampera> I will however still have free time to work on my own projects.
05:32:55 <Ampera> I don't eat lunch, so I intend to make my lunch hour a time to use the productive inertia I have here for my own benefit.
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08:04:00 <rust_collector> it is 10pm here, I should wake up any time now
08:09:03 <Ampera> good morning?
08:09:48 <rust_collector> no, it is just that I tend to wake up again around 10, even if I have been really tired all day
08:37:39 <rust_collector> but not today
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09:36:13 <MrMobodies> Hello
09:36:24 <rust_collector> hry
09:37:06 <MrMobodies> for some reason on Palemoon EEVBLOG "performing a TLS handsakes to www.eevblog.com"
09:37:32 <MrMobodies> cleared the cache but it seems to work okay on Chrome
09:38:37 <MrMobodies> I am just recovering today. The day before yesterday I went to bed, woke up go to toilet and next thing I knew I woke up on the bathroom floor
09:39:28 <MrMobodies> I called for help and thought I needed an ambulance but my pulse returned to normal
09:39:56 <MrMobodies> I got up too quickly and I am feeling much better now
09:39:59 <rust_collector> just wait until you start getting messages on facebook, with pics of you doing weird shit in some city far away
09:40:48 <MrMobodies> Hmmm?
09:41:26 <rust_collector> it happens
09:41:38 <rust_collector> well, there was no facebook back then
09:42:43 <MrMobodies> well BT Openreach came and discovered the the waterproof box in the manhole cover wasn't sealed properly
09:43:00 <MrMobodies> and my second line noise was also flucatuating
09:44:54 <MrMobodies> water got in there and they had pump out the water and cut and crimp the wires in there.
09:45:05 <rust_collector> well, that is great. did they do anything to fix it
09:47:14 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/6suxYyU.png
09:47:52 <MrMobodies> that is the first line
09:48:40 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/EnpNV18.png
09:48:42 <MrMobodies> second line
09:48:57 <MrMobodies> seems stable for now
09:49:48 <MrMobodies> oh all they did, they cut the wires back, recrimped it, put the box back together properly with it sealed
09:49:56 <MrMobodies> so water shouldn't get in there again
09:50:39 <rust_collector> sounds good. many times they would just fix your wires, and leave the box leaking
09:53:04 <MrMobodies> It use to be a post there but Royal Mail crashed into it
09:54:15 <MrMobodies> I wonder what I could do besides complaining if it happens again.
09:54:57 <rust_collector> you could either keep complaining, or fix it, and get into trouble if you mess something up
09:56:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The touch screen on my kindle has died :-( Is this a thing?
09:57:44 <MrMobodies> there is a hole ontop of the cover.
09:58:04 <MrMobodies> I could build a small pump
09:58:21 <MrMobodies> and put a pipe in there and some sensors for when the water gathers
09:58:35 <rust_collector> why would the water gather there?
09:58:53 <MrMobodies> when it rains the water goes around the sides and in that hole
09:58:59 <MrMobodies> it is not a water proof manhole cover
09:59:01 <rust_collector> cover the hole
09:59:20 <MrMobodies> I could get, a large storage box
09:59:29 <MrMobodies> build some vents
09:59:57 <MrMobodies> dig the mud ground a little and maybe that'll work
10:00:54 <MrMobodies> I was suspicous something like that would happen in the future but not in a space of weeks.
10:37:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Illegal Coca-Cola basement operation. https://t.co/C5onAOKzcv
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13:39:56 <DHess_US> Got a nice coating of ice on everything outside.
13:59:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wanky plastic LED lit flame that flaps around in the breeze. Looks real enough in the corner of your eye for a few seconds. https://t.co/4CSZ0Ehuyd
14:08:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: LBRY: We're trying out a new homepage on https://t.co/qqXdRJ7qWb. What do you think about it?
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21:11:21 <K> hello
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