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00:09:50 <Ysjoelfir> I am soooo proud to live in germany -.-
00:10:03 <Ysjoelfir> I JUST wanted to do my taxes. shouldn't be to hard, should it?
00:10:59 <rust_collector> you have to do taxes? why not have someone do that for you?
00:11:19 <Ysjoelfir> so, lets log in to the financie authority, using my smartphone coupled over WLAN to my PC, scanning my ID Card over NFC
00:11:27 <Ysjoelfir> Scanning..... scanning..... card read.
00:11:32 <Ysjoelfir> nothing fucking happenes
00:11:50 <Ysjoelfir> ok, let's use the second method, a certificate file
00:11:53 <Ysjoelfir> where did I put that
00:11:56 <Ysjoelfir> ooooh, there.
00:12:04 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, too bad, it expired!
00:12:09 <Ysjoelfir> well, what can we do now?
00:12:38 <rust_collector> do what the greeks do
00:13:16 <Ysjoelfir> Ah, yes. right, logging in using my mail, a username and a 16 digit password isn't secure enough, so they now sent me a letter with a four digit numerical code that I have to type in to re-certify myself before I can do my fucking taxes!
00:14:02 <Ysjoelfir> and I do them myself because I don't want to pay hundreds of euro for someone doing what I basically can do in around 20 minutes work - if the stupid authentification would work
00:14:18 <Ysjoelfir> but since I am in germany the internet is still new to all of us, so why do I complain?
00:14:48 <rust_collector> we get them all filled out, we just have to look thru it, and see if it seems close
00:15:19 <rust_collector> so, if it is sort of ok, just do nothing. or make changes, and click send
00:15:26 <Ysjoelfir> well, we don't have to do them. but you usually get money back, so you would be stupid to not do it.
00:17:01 <Ysjoelfir> but IF you do... you have to authenticate yourself with one of their either stupidly expensive (using a card reader they sell you), totally unsafe (come one, a certificate file without any protection!?) or just not working (digital ID Card + smartphone) methods.
00:17:38 <rust_collector> I think it is interesting, that you get a bit back... the next year, you get a bit back... for years and years... then... nothing has changed, but you have to pay more, for 2 years, then it goes back to the normal way again
00:18:43 <Ysjoelfir> define "a bit"
00:18:51 <Ysjoelfir> I usually get back around 400 to 600€
00:19:55 <rust_collector> yeah, 200 to 500 ish, I guess is common, unless you pay more taxes, just to get more back
00:21:54 <Ysjoelfir> imho one intersting question you have to fill out is still: "Is this person dead?"
00:22:02 <Ysjoelfir> I always sit there asking myself: Am I dead?
00:22:11 <Ysjoelfir> But then I usually decide that I am not
00:22:36 <rust_collector> so, if you tick both boxes
00:22:45 <rust_collector> trying to say "not sure"
00:22:49 <Ysjoelfir> :D
00:23:01 <rust_collector> what do they do abou tthat?
00:23:14 <Ysjoelfir> that would result in a very big problem I assume. that are situations that don't stand on their flowchart.
00:23:24 <rust_collector> Except send a van full of agents to your house
00:23:33 <rust_collector> yes, I think you are right
00:26:05 <rust_collector> heh, I am listening to the radio. "police chase tractor, made traffic jam" It sounds like they kept going for some time
00:26:17 <Ysjoelfir> oo
00:26:26 <Ysjoelfir> that shouldn'Ät be to hard catching a tractor?
00:26:44 <rust_collector> well, making it stop can be harder
00:26:50 <Ysjoelfir> true
00:27:01 <Ysjoelfir> except if it's a lanz bulldof or simmilar
00:27:07 <rust_collector> heh, yea
00:27:23 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to have one. one of the slow running ones
00:27:57 <rust_collector> they are sort of cool. but I am not sure I want one where I had to heat it with a torch first, to make it start
00:29:04 <Ysjoelfir> that is part of the spirit
00:29:10 <rust_collector> the guy I used to work fors dad had a porsche single cylinder, on tracks. he used it in the winters, to drag ice off the lakes
00:29:30 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/2_U2mNB1t64?t=127
00:29:40 <Ysjoelfir> why would you drag ice off a frozen lake?
00:31:12 <rust_collector> they sold it
00:31:16 <AndrevS> It is raining AGAIN.
00:31:19 <rust_collector> blocks of ice
00:31:35 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't know that you had an abundance of ice in norge
00:33:28 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/2ncdEpr
00:37:39 <Ysjoelfir> he is in bed^^ but that is so sweet :D
00:40:31 <T3sl4> it's probably been posted not terribly long ago, but it's a classic
00:40:43 <rust_collector> there was an old soda factory, where I rented an apartment for about a year. that was one of the places they sold ice to. they had an "ice tower". I think it was just so big and full of ice, that it kept it cool enough. it was insulated with straw
00:42:53 <Ysjoelfir> wow, cool :D
00:43:14 <rust_collector> it was a while ago.
00:47:34 <rust_collector> pfffff. mom called
00:48:06 <rust_collector> she has bought some kind of drawer or closet or shelf thing again
00:54:29 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1757023694.htm/
00:56:04 <rust_collector> yes, that is a thing
00:57:10 <Ysjoelfir> sweet :) those are the ones we use and add the compensation network.
00:57:21 <Ysjoelfir> and why did she buy a drower again?
00:57:48 <rust_collector> not sure, she has a thing for replacing furniture, I think
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03:28:29 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=161383088
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03:54:28 <mamalala> holy fucking christ
03:54:48 <mamalala> supermarkets here look the same way they did in the old DDR several decades ago
03:55:18 <mamalala> people are crazy... stockpiling like the world is going to end in a few days
03:55:45 <rust_collector> heh
03:55:52 <mamalala> my guess is that if that silly virus doesn't kill us, we will starve to death because there is no more food to buy
03:55:58 <mamalala> it's just insanity
03:56:19 <rust_collector> I wonder how much of that will be thrown away after a year or two
03:56:31 <mamalala> a year? make that a few days
03:56:57 <mamalala> almost no meat, even all the expensive bio stuff almost all gone
03:57:05 <rust_collector> that is weird
03:57:05 <mamalala> regular chesse, gone
03:57:16 <mamalala> whole shelves at aldi are empty
03:57:19 <coppice_> depends what is being stockpiled. Many dry things, like rice, keep a very long time, so you will eventually use them up
03:57:25 <rust_collector> I figured is was canned stuff and such
03:57:28 <mamalala> the rewe next door didn't look much better
03:57:46 <mamalala> yes, rice, pasta, etc. also almost all gone
03:58:05 <Ysjoelfir> we witnessed the same yesterday
03:58:08 <mamalala> almost no vegetables left, etc
03:58:20 <mamalala> i mean, come on ... fucking aldi
03:58:30 <rust_collector> I guess you did not get the message that essen is locked down, so no goods can come in or out... oh well
03:58:39 <mamalala> i could go there at 20:45 on a saturday and still have a decent selection of everything fresh
03:58:50 <mamalala> but now it's pretty much all gone
03:59:25 <coppice_> in panics people tend to clear out stocks of funky canned stuff nobody normally wants. This must help supermarkets who have got their stock really messed up :)
03:59:25 <Ysjoelfir> same here at Kaufland. ALL potatoes, gone, except the extra extra expensive ones. fruits? gone. veggies? gone.
03:59:31 <Ysjoelfir> noodles, rice,.... gone
03:59:33 <mamalala> it's actually worse than east germany back in the day...
03:59:51 <coppice_> why has this suddenly happened?
03:59:53 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: yea.. and kaufland are usually friggin big supermarkets
04:00:02 <Ysjoelfir> especially in frankfurt
04:00:07 <mamalala> coppice_: they are all in panic because of the corona virus
04:00:17 <Ysjoelfir> why? because our politicians shed the panic!
04:00:34 <coppice_> yeah, but what specific thing has cause panic in the last couple of days?
04:00:39 <mamalala> someone should tell these people that a virus does not care how much you eat... haha
04:00:50 <Ysjoelfir> they are like "oooh, we must start to worry, lets build a workforce to keep that plague and the deaths down to normal levels, people will be in quarantine and so on
04:00:56 <mamalala> coppice_: a few confirmed cases in germany, idiotic politicians
04:01:57 <coppice_> shelves usually restock with most things pretty quickly
04:02:20 <mamalala> yea, but its not a "usual" situation here... ot least that what they tell us
04:02:31 <mamalala> *at
04:03:03 <coppice_> well, unless large numbers of farmers, warehouse staff and truck drivers suddenly fall ill, the shelves will restock with most things
04:03:09 <mamalala> should have taken my phone with me and made some pics... it's ridiculous
04:03:14 <coppice_> I've been through this before
04:03:26 <Ysjoelfir> try buying masks or desinfection stuff. you will pay ~70€ for a freakin tiny bottle of that stuff
04:03:28 <mamalala> yea...
04:03:52 <coppice_> The shelves that emptied in HK a few weeks ago are now full again
04:03:59 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: hey, i have some packages of meliseptol hbv swipes left... can make you a special price :P
04:05:02 <coppice_> I was amused at the US getting annoyed that a US company's mask factory in China can't export its masks to the US as they are considered a strategic local resource in China right now
04:05:17 <Ysjoelfir> Thanks mamalala, I have 20 liters of IPA, that should last a while^^
04:05:31 <mamalala> coppice_: yea, the whole us-china thing is beyond silly for quite some time now
04:05:48 <rust_collector> how much can you get for a roll of wipes soaked in alcohol these days?
04:06:18 <coppice_> oh, wifey did say before she left HK on Tuesday there were still no products of any kind from Dettol on the shelves :)
04:06:45 <mamalala> "china is stealing our intellectual property stuff! hurr-durr! ... well, idiots... they are not stealing it... you literally send your designs and stuff to them to have them manufacture it for you cheapskates
04:06:47 <coppice_> the cost of masks is already falling again in Asia.
04:07:33 <mamalala> "huawei bad! they must have backdoors in their net gear!!"... well, you mean, like hardcoded root passwords in virtually all the cisco stuff nowdays? or the backdoors you force companies to open up for you? :P
04:07:36 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: a roll of 20 were advertised locally for 21€
04:08:17 <rust_collector> and how much is a roll of dry ones? and a splash of your ipa, and a bag to seal it in?
04:08:49 <coppice_> mamalala: yep. A US company sets up a factory in China, gets some US staff to train the Chinese, and the factory runs for a few years. Now all the expertise is in China, and the knowledgable Americans have long since left the industry. Now the Chinese experts leave, and start their own business, and the US cries IP THEFT!
04:09:33 <coppice_> mamalala: this has been a heavily repeated pattern since the 90s
04:10:29 <mamalala> yep
04:10:38 <mamalala> and not just the US, pretty much every western company
04:10:53 <Ysjoelfir> I assume under 1€ :)
04:11:20 <rust_collector> you have a link to your webstore, so...
04:12:39 <Ysjoelfir> I already thought baout that. but... meeeh :D
04:13:00 <rust_collector> yeah, it makes too much sense. I know
04:14:00 <Ysjoelfir> xD I would sell stuff like that over ebay maybe?
04:14:15 <coppice_> mamalala: I think many EU companies have always been a bit more reserved about expertise migrating to China, but if you run all your production there the end result is inevitable
04:14:47 <mamalala> coppice_: yep... they don't need to steal anything... just keep the production line do overtime work...
04:14:58 <mamalala> everything is already there, after all
04:15:14 <mamalala> and the issue with huawei is extra-laughable
04:16:07 <mamalala> did you know that huawei offers to have a look at their source codes? at least for regular network gear... dunno about the 4g/5g stuff, but i would assume it's the same
04:16:14 <coppice_> mamalala: most of the production overrun stuff happens when manufacturing has been out sourced. I was only referring to companies setting up their own factories, entirely under their own control, using their own technology
04:16:28 <mamalala> and then, again, my guess is that the us is just pissed that they don't put in backdoors for them especially
04:16:40 <mamalala> coppice_: ah, ok
04:17:27 <coppice_> we should assume Huawei puts backdoors in their network equipment, because that is the universal industry practice
04:17:27 <mamalala> imagine what would happen if the chinese get a bit pissy and decide not to export anything to the west for a month or so
04:17:52 <mamalala> our economies would basically come to a grinding halt almost instantly
04:19:44 <coppice_> mamalala: did you read about people from Jaguar-Land Rover being sent to China with large suit cases, to bring back stocks of some key components so their car production lines would not shut down? I find it odd that production would not be halted due to stocks of larger components running out
04:20:17 <mamalala> lol
04:20:36 <mamalala> well, i guess that's what you get if you shift production to a so-called "just in time" model
04:20:54 <mamalala> after all, "just in time" is basically just a nicer way of saying "out of stock", in the end
04:21:49 <mamalala> but then, what to expect from companies these days... they are stupid enough to fall for all that cloud claptrap... and even have no issues with subscription models to the software they use... how stupid must they be
04:22:35 <coppice_> all production is JIT these days. Its one of the problems brexit will cause, as most integrated EU production only allows for normal truck journey times. Add border delays, and UK sourcing becomes a bad idea, regardless of tarrifs and other costs
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04:24:27 <DHess_US> What kind of insurance covers "supply chain destroyed by disease"?
04:24:55 <coppice_> medical emergency insurance?
04:25:10 <mamalala> DHess_US: well, before or after you enter into such a contract?
04:25:47 <mamalala> before: "no problem, we will cover all bases!" .... after: "well, let's our legal team and experts sift through stuff for a few months"
04:25:48 <DHess_US> No, I mean for the "just in time" guys.
04:27:00 <DHess_US> I'm just laughing about all the medical protection manufacturing being in China so the US has shortages even before the epidemic starts.
04:27:27 <coppice_> Right now they are just masking the problem
04:29:16 <DHess_US> They also make all of our A coughy filters.
04:29:58 <coppice_> Its like fighting a battle against the people who make all your weapons
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05:05:36 <rust_collector> Lemonizer, https://www.ebay.com/itm/C-E-Johansson-Diabase-Flatness-Tester-with-Gauges-Flatness-Tolerance-1-4-um/312718114066?hash=item48cf73bd12:g:S44AAOSwdS1dQKY2
05:05:58 <rust_collector> I think you should get one of these, so you can measure some more stuff
05:10:22 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely!
05:10:29 <Ysjoelfir> you can measure the flatness of my cars paint!
05:10:41 <rust_collector> heh
05:10:51 <Ysjoelfir> or you get that: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Rack-Mount-4-Gang-Decade-Resistor-0-05-Tolerance-TESTED/223232341252?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D342bb08791044cd7a0c8896a06b209ba%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D312718114066%26itm%3D223232341252%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
05:10:58 <Ysjoelfir> just slightly to eyxpensive
05:12:02 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.com/itm/LEGO-4-x-Fliese-1x1-rund-in-flat-silber-mit-Messgerat-98138pb010-NEUWARE/372103799547?hash=item56a31d62fb:g:qtoAAOSwrWZZ4Nfr
05:12:06 <rust_collector> these are cheaper
05:12:17 <Ysjoelfir> lol
05:14:17 <rust_collector> i do want a surface plate
05:14:57 <rust_collector> they are not very cheap to have shipped either
05:15:16 <rust_collector> unless you buy a cheap one from india, with free shipping
05:21:37 <rust_collector> I should go to mom, and assemble whatever furniture thing she got this time
05:24:31 <Ysjoelfir> hehe. do that, she will be pleased^^
05:25:20 <rust_collector> yep, she will
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06:44:03 <Lemonizer> hey bois https://www.ebay.com/itm/BNC-CONNECTOR-COUPLER-T-SPLITTER-CB-HAM-ADAPTER/202641703708?hash=item2f2e63031c:g:4rkAAOSwPv9XMEUq
06:44:22 <Lemonizer> with a T like this, can I connect my scope and my counter to a waveform gen wihtout issues ?
06:47:32 <mamalala> depends
06:47:39 <Lemonizer> ho hi :>
06:48:01 <mamalala> basically, yes... but there are cases where it does not work, if you need to maintain a proper line impedance
06:48:24 <Lemonizer> ha yeah im reading about this but I don't fully understand what I need to get !
06:48:48 <mamalala> for low frequency signals it probably won't matter much, but at several MHz and up, you can quickly run into problems
06:49:17 <Lemonizer> and is there a solution to that ?
06:49:21 <mamalala> well, you need to get the stuff that is the right tool for whatever you intend to do ... there is no generalized answer
06:49:34 <Lemonizer> ho I know that ! thats true
06:49:44 <Lemonizer> and the question is, how to determine what tool to get ? :>
06:51:02 <mamalala> again, depends on the application ... for example, if you want to meassure something in a RF signal path, you probably need stuff that properly maintains the required impedance, otherwise you will meassure garbage due to reflections
06:51:26 <mamalala> otoh, if you meassure a 1GHz clock signal somewhere, a simple passive probe may be just fine
06:51:37 <Lemonizer> so as long as I maintain the required impedance, it will be good for all kind of measurements right ?
06:51:58 <Lemonizer> what can do more can do less
06:52:05 <Lemonizer> (if it works like this on this case :> )
06:52:56 <mamalala> also, no... there are several ways ... for example, if you want to "see" the signal at the output of an RF stage, while feeding into another stage, you may use a power splitter... but that won't tell you much about what that next stage feeds back into the first one
06:53:18 <mamalala> but then, i'm not a RF guy anyways... that stuff is like black magic
06:53:43 <Lemonizer> hmmmm thats much more complicated than what I thought :>
06:53:58 <Lemonizer> basically I just wanted to see the frequency while looking at something on the scope, at the same time
06:54:06 <Lemonizer> seems harder than it looks :>
06:54:25 <mamalala> as said, it all depends
06:54:38 <Lemonizer> yeah
06:54:50 <mamalala> in RF lines, refelcteions are a real thing... so what you see on the scope may not be what is there really
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06:54:59 <mamalala> look at an SWR meter, for example
06:55:07 <Lemonizer> thats another thing I need to learn about
06:55:07 <Lemonizer> HO
06:55:09 <Lemonizer> wait a second
06:55:20 <mamalala> it's a simple device that tells you how much of the power you feed into something gets reflected back on the line
06:55:31 <Lemonizer> I found a swr meter the other day in the attic
06:56:08 <Lemonizer> I dont know much about reflection honestly
06:56:12 <mamalala> now, you can build one on a PCB very easily.... just make a thick trace on one side, that carries the signal, with ground at the other side....
06:56:14 <Lemonizer> I was wondering what were those connectors
06:56:27 <mamalala> then put two other traces next it to, one on the left, one on the right
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06:56:59 <mamalala> just that you connect the secondary traces at opposite sides...
06:57:39 <Lemonizer> interesting ! I'll probably open it to see, but I need to read on reflection first
06:57:45 <mamalala> so you have the main signal going through the thick trace, and you pick up the other two at the end of one of the thines ones, the other at the beginning of the thin one
06:58:09 <mamalala> now you will see two different signals... one is the power going forward, one is the power being reflected back
06:58:27 <Lemonizer> hmmm ok I think I visualize it
06:58:35 <Ysjoelfir> Just a small sidenote in regards to those prepping people: I just got a delivery of drinks. (I do order regularely as it's not more expensive than buying it in the store, but I don't have to carry it upstairs.) The delivery guy was late, he told me that it was because the people are so stupid as to order around 20 cisterns of water in AVERAGE!
06:58:38 <Lemonizer> I just had an idea about the counter/scope problem
06:58:45 <mamalala> obviously this is only 100% true if the lengths are perfectly matched, otherwise it's just a difference between the two and not full scale
06:59:23 <Lemonizer> ha yeah, I see !
06:59:39 <mamalala> now imagine that instead of that swr bridge setup, you would just randomly meassure at a cable... you may hit one or the other spot, or inbetween... so what you get on your scope may not be the true signal
06:59:44 <Lemonizer> Ysjoelfir I just met someone who was moving away from everyone, fearing to get the virus
06:59:54 <DHess_US> <mamalala> basically, yes... but there are cases where it does not work, if you need to maintain a proper line impedance
06:59:56 <DHess_US> Wrong!
06:59:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol
07:00:15 <Lemonizer> and for the counter/scope problem
07:00:33 <Lemonizer> I can use some sort of T, but instead of connecting both, I can switch between it with a switch or whatever ?
07:00:35 <mamalala> DHess_US: how so?
07:00:38 <DHess_US> If the oscilloscope or frequency counter has a high impedance input, then the instrument can be inserted "in-line" using the T connector.
07:00:42 <Lemonizer> to avoids taking the cable from one to another
07:00:46 <Lemonizer> thats better than nothing
07:01:02 <DHess_US> So the only mismatch is the input capacitance.
07:01:37 <DHess_US> That is actually one of the advantages of 1 megohm inputs on oscilloscopes and frequency counters which have them.
07:02:09 <mamalala> DHess_US: well, as said, i'm not a RF guy, i'm referring to properly terminated lines and stuff... isn't that what is needed to maintain proper line impedance?
07:02:40 <DHess_US> mamalala, yes, but a high impedance input connected in-line with a low impedance transmission line presents basically no mismatch.
07:02:50 <mamalala> and if you just randomly put a T connection in there, you could get reflections on that one, influencing the meassured signal?
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07:03:13 <DHess_US> It just requires a different way of thinking. Instead of splitting the signal, the t-adapter then acts as a "pickoff"
07:03:34 <mamalala> hmm, ok, makes sense
07:04:08 <DHess_US> mamalala, in the other case, the t-connector is connecting 3 50 ohm transmission lines in parallel so each line sees a 25 ohm load or source which creates a 2:1 mismatch.
07:04:21 <Lemonizer> or im just thinking, maybe the scope got an ouput made for that reason
07:04:39 <Lemonizer> or not, I dont see one
07:04:42 <DHess_US> But a high impedance input on an oscilloscope or some frequency counters is basically infinity ohms in parallel with 10 to 20 picofarads.
07:06:08 <DHess_US> A high impedance input like that is good to about 500 MHz but it is possible to go higher by attaching a low capacitance probe at the t-adapter which is called a sampling probe. They used to make special t-connectors which the probe directly inserted into which were good to GHz.
07:06:39 <mamalala> DHess_US: ahh, see, black magic :P
07:06:43 <Lemonizer> bascally my scope got a 100mhz bandwith
07:06:48 <Lemonizer> and the counter 500mhz
07:07:17 <DHess_US> Right, and at 100 MHz bandwidth, the parallel capacitance is insignificant so inserting it in-line will work fine to the limits of the oscilloscope.
07:07:37 <Lemonizer> so a regular female to 2 male T will do the trick ?
07:07:41 <DHess_US> The counter is unlikely to care about some mismatch anyway.
07:07:50 <DHess_US> Yes
07:07:54 <Lemonizer> because I want to make 'accurate' measurements
07:08:04 <Lemonizer> not something out by several thousands of hz
07:08:24 <DHess_US> Well, your oscilloscope isn't going to make accurate measurements at its 100 MHz bandwidth limit anyway.
07:08:25 <Lemonizer> but not to several digits after the coma either
07:08:33 <DHess_US> No matter what the conditions are.
07:08:38 <Lemonizer> ho I meant, for the counter
07:08:47 <Lemonizer> to get the right value
07:08:53 <Lemonizer> from whatever source
07:09:50 <DHess_US> There is more effect there but the 20 ohm shunt capacitance of the oscilloscope presents a linear load so it won't affect frequency or timing measurements.
07:10:38 <DHess_US> Some oscilloscopes have a vertical output connector which forwards the signal from the vertical input which is very handy for connecting a frequency counter.
07:11:37 <Lemonizer> my 2245 doesnt it seems
07:11:44 <mamalala> DHess_US: yea, and most scopes have knops to turn... but i gave the Lemonizer a real treat of a scope ... where you need half a PhD before you can use it ... haha
07:11:52 <mamalala> *knobs
07:12:01 <DHess_US> No, the 22xx series does not.
07:12:43 <DHess_US> The 2247A and 2252 have really nice built in time/counters.
07:12:44 <Lemonizer> ha yeah on the 54201d I dont think it got one either
07:13:15 <Lemonizer> well the thing is I now have a really nice 5345a :>
07:13:27 <DHess_US> Counters sometimes have a "gate output" which can replicate the input signal after triggering.
07:13:49 <DHess_US> So like the "trigger output" on some oscilloscopes
07:14:04 <Lemonizer> ha theres an external trigger ouput on the HP
07:14:40 <DHess_US> Inserting an oscilloscope inline with a counter is commonly done to see what the counter sees to make sure it makes any sense.
07:15:37 <DHess_US> Another oscilloscope with a really nice built in time/counter is the 2236 and 2236A.
07:15:57 <Lemonizer> but muh 5345a :((((
07:16:02 <DHess_US> The analog 24xx oscilloscopes have an optional timer/counter but I don't know how good it is.
07:16:36 <Lemonizer> I think I'll just quickly connect to the scope or the counter by hand when I want to see the wave/read the frequency
07:16:40 <Lemonizer> its not really convenient but well
07:16:43 <DHess_US> When I say "nice", I mean they are universal integrating reciprocal counters.
07:16:51 <Lemonizer> if some sort of switch was possible, id take it
07:17:36 <DHess_US> "integrating" means they can integrate multiple measurements of the same signal using a gate.
07:17:45 <DHess_US> So they can make integrated gated measurements.
07:18:07 <Lemonizer> I need to learn more on that area :>
07:18:11 <DHess_US> The oscilloscope lets you pick exactly what time period on the signal the counter should measure.
07:18:14 <Lemonizer> the hp counter got many different options I dont know about
07:18:27 <DHess_US> So then the counter makes a gated measurement.
07:18:50 <DHess_US> It probably supports gated measurements with an external gate or arm input.
07:18:52 <Lemonizer> im already happy about the hp scope, im starting to master it :P
07:19:09 <Lemonizer> theres a gate time / display position switch
07:19:16 <DHess_US> Not the same thing.
07:19:35 <DHess_US> In other worse, the gate time can be controlled externally.
07:19:40 <mamalala> Lemonizer: " im starting to master it"... so you found the on/off button already :P
07:19:47 <Lemonizer> exactly haha !
07:20:02 <Lemonizer> no seriously, I now can make crude measurements, trigger it manually etc
07:20:07 <Lemonizer> but theres ONE FUCKING THING
07:20:16 <Lemonizer> I can't find how to move up and down the waveform
07:20:19 <Lemonizer> even in the manual
07:20:33 <mamalala> Lemonizer: there's some offset thing to set, which moves the waveform
07:20:38 <Lemonizer> I also found out how to take single shots etc, thats really useful
07:20:56 <mamalala> also: there are no up/down buttons or the like, so you have to type-in the actual value every time
07:20:58 <Lemonizer> hmmmmm ok ! Im keeping that in mind
07:21:07 <Lemonizer> yeah I saw that xd
07:21:16 <Lemonizer> most stuff is done with next/prev buttons
07:21:28 <Lemonizer> haa man I'd love to fix the first channel !
07:21:34 <Lemonizer> it seems only 2 things out of 4 doesnt work
07:21:38 <Lemonizer> the offset and gain
07:21:46 <Lemonizer> hysterisis and trigger tests passes
07:22:11 <mamalala> yea... but as i said, i don't know what of all that stuff is external, and which is internal to the channel's custom chip
07:22:33 <mamalala> frankly, i suspect that pretty much everything is internal to that chip
07:22:55 <Lemonizer> yeah according to the manual its from the analog board which seems logical, I looked at it and wow much components, very wow
07:23:03 <mamalala> just some basic signal conditioning/limiting before it enters that chip
07:23:13 <mamalala> hehe
07:23:21 <Lemonizer> well those scopes are that rare, so maybe I can find a replacement if I find whats faulty !
07:23:22 <mamalala> that thing is built like a tank, no costs spared
07:23:30 <Lemonizer> but many peeps fixed issues by changing minor things
07:23:36 <Lemonizer> yeah totally
07:23:41 <Lemonizer> even to open it, its so well made
07:24:19 <mamalala> again, i never opened that thig... got it used, work for several years, then chan 1 went down... used it a few more years after that, then i got the rigol
07:24:50 <Lemonizer> thats weird it broke like that
07:24:57 <Lemonizer> usually it breaks by doing something
07:24:57 <Ysjoelfir> nobody would use a rigol if he had a decent scope 0:-)
07:25:10 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: fucking snob :P
07:25:21 * Ysjoelfir stares at his rigol looking at him like "ey! you use me all the time!"
07:25:38 <Lemonizer> the only chinese thing on my desk is the lcr meter :>
07:25:41 <mamalala> i'm happy with the rigol... easy to hack in all options, cheap, and does all i need for the type of work i do
07:26:11 <Ysjoelfir> same goes for me. I have a nice digitizing analog hameg under the rigol. those two are ideal for all stuff I do
07:26:30 <Ysjoelfir> but: i like to play around with my Tek 545 and 502 from time to time... ^^
07:26:41 <Lemonizer> I love the 2245 honestly :>
07:26:41 <mamalala> sure, it has some awkward issues/quirks... but hey, i used that hp thing for many years, so i'm not easily frightened by quirky user interfaces anymore ... haha
07:27:00 <Lemonizer> one day if I can find a 7854, or a 2645a/b that would be dope
07:27:12 <Ysjoelfir> no lemon
07:27:15 <Ysjoelfir> you need a 555
07:27:52 <Lemonizer> sits beautiful but well....
07:27:53 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: many, many moons ago i hade a tube storage scope ... that thing was fascinating
07:27:55 <Lemonizer> its
07:28:07 <Lemonizer> damn 1050w of consumption xD
07:28:13 <Ysjoelfir> I just love the old teks :)
07:28:19 <Ysjoelfir> nice, isn't it, lemon?
07:28:20 <mamalala> well, besides the fact that it's almost 1.5 kW input power made it a decent space heater...
07:28:23 <Ysjoelfir> trust my. you need one
07:28:37 <Lemonizer> but its a bit low on specs sadly, a bit old
07:28:45 <Lemonizer> if I get one, I want it to be better than what I have :>
07:28:51 <Ysjoelfir> then look at the specs of the 502.
07:29:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great scope!
07:29:05 <Ysjoelfir> highend specs as well
07:29:27 <mamalala> Lemonizer: well, in terms of "ease of use", you can't get much lower than the HP ... so any other thing will be a blessing to use ... haha
07:29:41 <Lemonizer> perfect :> 1mhz !
07:29:58 <Lemonizer> ho yeah the 2245 is ez af compared to it !
07:30:07 <Lemonizer> you turn it on, connect something bam
07:30:08 <Lemonizer> done
07:30:29 <Lemonizer> http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/7854
07:30:36 <Lemonizer> thats what I want !
07:31:00 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: btw, did the lemon leave the full box of remotes with you?
07:31:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes
07:31:19 <mamalala> lol...
07:31:34 <Lemonizer> I kept three of them :>
07:31:39 <Lemonizer> which is already a lot ! xd
07:31:49 <mamalala> so now you can have a dedicated remote for each channel :P
07:32:02 <Ysjoelfir> exactly! XD
07:32:10 <mamalala> they are fun to play with, that's for sure
07:32:24 <Ysjoelfir> I already gave three away to a friend of mine :) He was also fascinated
07:32:27 <mamalala> never really got into using the TAE or SCART adapters...
07:32:42 <mamalala> but there are folks who have done stuff with those as well
07:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> he was like "meh, that looks like a crappy universal remote?" - "it has an ARM inside" - "WHAT!? how much do you want?"
07:32:58 <mamalala> lol
07:33:08 <mamalala> yea, it is ridiculously overpowered for a remote
07:33:35 <mamalala> did i send you the few links i found?
07:33:43 <Ysjoelfir> jep
07:33:58 <mamalala> some archived stuff from bettyhacks, some forum that has some newer github links
07:34:01 <mamalala> ah, ok
07:34:47 <mamalala> i had a ton of fun back then... never used one, really, just the joy of hacking that thing and creating a basic firmware for it
07:35:31 <mamalala> even used a different nickname at the beginning, because i wasn't sure how these people would react...
07:35:47 <mamalala> a lot of crap could have been done while it was still commercially used
07:36:38 <mamalala> fun fact: the second last firmware they released, after we got the first steps of my boop firmware out ... it had all the debug symbols and function names/parameters in the flash
07:36:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
07:36:58 <Lemonizer> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Tektronix-TDS-380-Two-Channel-Digital-Real-Time-Oscilloscope/273807179574?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3fc02dff36:g:2dkAAOSwcSFbQpYW
07:37:01 <Lemonizer> thats cheap !
07:37:29 <mamalala> i mean, literally... you loaded it up in IDA, go to the disassembly of any function, and the very thing right before it was a string constant in the form of "int somefunction(char this, int that)"
07:37:58 <mamalala> as if someone there wanted to lend a helping hand or such
07:38:08 <Lemonizer> 400mhz 2gs/s is no slouch
07:38:46 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: i should have the original PDF with the schematics somewhere as well... unless i deleted them at some point
07:39:08 <Ysjoelfir> I hope not, that would be pretty usefull :)
07:39:18 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon: I have a spare tek 502A, thats better :)
07:39:24 <mamalala> ha, yes, found it
07:39:27 <Lemonizer> pfrt :P
07:39:37 <Lemonizer> no but really
07:39:42 <mamalala> including the original source coude they sent us together with the pallettes of betties
07:39:48 <Lemonizer> under 300 bucks for a 400mhz 2gs/s is quite neat
07:40:22 <Ysjoelfir> oh? you got those directly from them?
07:40:27 <rust_collector> grrreat! that was this weeks work
07:40:57 <rust_collector> are you people talking about nerdy things again?
07:41:42 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: http://atelier-klippel.de/orig_stuff.tgz
07:42:37 <Ysjoelfir> thx
07:42:41 <Ysjoelfir> and rusty: yes
07:42:48 <rust_collector> mmh. ok
07:42:56 <rust_collector> I will just sit up here then
07:43:08 <Ysjoelfir> we are talking about great scope specs and boobs
07:43:33 <rust_collector> I have seen pics of you people, none of you have boobs...
07:43:40 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: hat auch das confidential datenblatt von dem vega chip im TAE adapter... vielleicht kann man mit dem ding ja irgendwas machen :P
07:43:59 <Ysjoelfir> sure i have. also there are two boobs sitting besides me
07:44:10 <Ysjoelfir> mamalala: oh :D das klingt sehr interessant
07:44:26 <rust_collector> oh no, they are talking secret code.
07:45:07 <mamalala> rust_collector: well, Ysjoelfir has a shitload of funny remote controls... all secret stuff :P
07:45:54 <rust_collector> watch the news for runaway garage doors, and electric wheelchairs sort of funny?
07:46:14 <mamalala> possibly, yes, because it also an RF chip inside
07:46:56 <rust_collector> nice
07:48:32 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: btw, "hhu" in the archive refers to the actual remote... "hand held unit"
07:48:58 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1731202896.htm/
07:49:01 <Lemonizer> thats a really nice deal
07:49:27 <mamalala> rust_collector: if you bugger him enough, i'm sure he will send a few your way... he got a box full of them... brand spanking "new"... well, the rechargeable batteries are dead, but otherwise... still in shrinkwrap
07:49:28 <Ysjoelfir> what a great abbreviation
07:51:06 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: i know that the diffrerent adapters also have some accessibble pins/pad from the microcontrollers, so at least they can be used as an receiver station to switch some stuff
07:51:45 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... like for some remote controlled outlets eg?
07:51:52 <Ysjoelfir> could be a potential use
07:52:33 <Ysjoelfir> do you know if you can couple TAE/SCART boxes to remotes that aren't programmed to use that specific box? afaik they were coupled to the remote by an unique ID?
07:53:47 <rust_collector> I wonder if your boob carrying person makes jerky...
07:53:53 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, they are talked to by the RF chip... so in theory any other compatible RF thing should work... the original system used ID's and such, but since you need to make a new firmware for these adapters anyways....
07:54:17 <mamalala> and it's a standard RF chip, nothing special
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07:56:12 <Ysjoelfir> true. :)
07:56:32 <Ysjoelfir> My boob carrying person actually sits before the television and watches me play xD
07:56:49 <Ampera_> what the fuck is going on in here
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07:56:54 <rust_collector> I was not thinking about exactly now
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07:57:18 <rust_collector> they are talking about remote controlled boobs or something
07:57:36 <Ampera> I wish I had remote controlled boobs
07:57:40 <Ampera> I'd even settle for normal ones
07:58:15 <mamalala> mee, boobs... i have lots of pussies to fiddle with, right next to me :P
07:58:25 <Ampera> I wish I had one of those too
07:58:31 <Ampera> but all I have is a stupid sausage
08:00:34 <mamalala> Ampera: well, here's one of them: http://atelier-klippel.de/20200229_215929.jpg
08:00:54 <Ampera> oh I have those things
08:00:54 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/682215989357969409/IMG_20200226_081734.jpg
08:00:56 <Ampera> here's one
08:01:31 <mamalala> aww, a sweet tuxie
08:01:49 <Ampera> He's only slightly possessed and occasionally chants in ancient Sumerian
08:01:51 <Ampera> but I love him
08:01:57 <mamalala> haha
08:02:10 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/682213857501904924/IMG_20200226_081353.jpg
08:02:12 <Ampera> here's another
08:02:27 <Ampera> and yet a third one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/681488392063811621/IMG_20200224_081053.jpg
08:02:30 <rust_collector> does he sing a song about ea, when he wants something to drink?
08:02:44 <Ampera> a couple more: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/677114123070341120/2020-02-12.png
08:02:59 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/660229868943966227/2019-12-27.png
08:03:00 <Ampera> another guy
08:03:06 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/1162415796344415548428363672369918794.jpg
08:03:38 <mamalala> aww, a sweet ginger...
08:03:41 <Ampera> cute katze
08:03:49 <mamalala> i lover ginger kitties... never had one, though
08:04:02 <Ampera> I have three, some of those are my grandfather's
08:04:07 <Ampera> and my aunt's
08:05:01 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/20200208_205120.jpg
08:05:17 <Ampera> thas a big one
08:06:13 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/twiggy.jpg
08:06:36 <mamalala> those are my four... had other in the past, all passed away mostly due to old age
08:06:43 <mamalala> *others
08:07:08 <Ampera> "mostly"
08:07:19 <mamalala> yes...
08:08:00 <mamalala> sheela was over 20 years old, mizi was 19... gaston was unknown, but he was a rescued feral... he had organ failure, pretty much everything shut down rather quickly
08:08:15 <Ampera> over 20
08:08:17 <Ampera> oh man
08:08:30 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/gaston.jpg
08:09:12 <mamalala> that guy one day decided to live with me... at first he was extremely shy, then came closer and closer... one day i found him that way on my cat-mattress
08:09:36 <mamalala> (my other cats could freely go in and out, the window was always open, so he just came in one day)
08:09:58 <mamalala> that pic is literally when i found him inside... it just ridiculous
08:10:44 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/Gaston_Lehne.jpg
08:11:01 <mamalala> he always had that thing that he crossed his front paws... like a boss
08:11:32 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/mizi_glow.jpg
08:11:50 <mamalala> that was my tuxie girl... as you can see, she had the hellfire burning inside her :P
08:12:28 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/mizi.jpg
08:12:32 <mamalala> another silly pic of her
08:12:46 <Ampera> so many cats
08:13:23 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/sheela.jpg
08:13:35 <mamalala> hehe, yes.... sweet kitties :)
08:14:07 <mamalala> oh, and besides the four i have inside, there are at least ferals i feed in my backyard
08:14:47 <mamalala> normally i have a live stream of the feeding station, but i have to use 4G for a while, so i can't really stream because of capacity limitations
08:16:47 <Ysjoelfir> Which is too bad, it was cute^^
08:17:29 <mamalala> well, should be back online in a week or two, i hope
08:18:42 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/threema-20200228-192843-5bb29b155679c7e0.jpg
08:18:55 <mamalala> i already get waiting queues there :P
08:19:02 <mamalala> (from yesterday)
08:19:39 <Ysjoelfir> they are just preparing for corona :D
08:19:48 <mamalala> haha
08:20:18 <mamalala> well, i have about 80 kg of cat food here... so they should be well fed :P
08:21:21 * Ysjoelfir enjoys a nice Faxe Premium Lager
08:21:32 <mamalala> skoll!
08:21:39 <mamalala> i'm having my favourite, stauder
08:21:59 <rust_collector> I made half of a pizza, I guess I need a zip too
08:22:01 <mamalala> the brewery is just two corners around from where i am... literally
08:22:33 * Ysjoelfir hands the Faxe to rust_collector
08:22:46 <Ysjoelfir> Actually I never tried stauder
08:22:53 <rust_collector> my bottle is half an arm away from my keyboard
08:22:55 <mamalala> it's tasty
08:23:45 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/QmRCZgG
08:24:04 <Ysjoelfir> thats a strange bottle
08:24:13 <mamalala> hehe
08:24:15 <Ysjoelfir> isn't that very.... hairy when drinking from that?
08:24:19 <mamalala> fuzzy bottle :P
08:25:10 <rust_collector> it is for the cold days, when vodka freeze
08:25:55 <mamalala> :)
08:31:30 <Lemonizer> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/mueller-electric-co/BU-P5788-0/314-1543-ND/9360354
08:31:46 <Lemonizer> it looks like what I want but its not stated if its for 4mm bananas
08:32:51 <Lemonizer> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/pomona-electronics/5788-0/501-1444-ND/737446
08:32:53 <Lemonizer> or those
08:33:24 <Lemonizer> thats still 6.6 euros for a pair
08:34:09 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/e8jwp4Z
08:34:16 <rust_collector> ine more non-bottle
08:34:19 <mamalala> Lemonizer: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/pomona-electronics/5788-0/501-1444-ND/737446
08:34:29 <mamalala> seems that the french digiey just sucks
08:34:37 <mamalala> on the .com you have a link to the datasheet
08:34:54 <Lemonizer> ho it was for the mueller !
08:34:57 <mamalala> and that gives dimensions... which look like it's for 4mm banana
08:34:58 <Lemonizer> that has no datasheet
08:35:31 <Lemonizer> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/mueller-electric-co/BU-110-0/314-1365-ND/5080229 theres those too, cheaper
08:35:59 <Lemonizer> and they look nice
08:36:05 <Lemonizer> 4.7 euros a pair
08:36:17 <mamalala> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/mueller-electric-co/BU-P5788-0/314-1543-ND/9360354
08:36:31 <mamalala> as you can see, the .com has a datasheet for that as well :)
08:37:12 <Lemonizer> ha yeah french one too, im just too tired haha
08:37:17 <Lemonizer> theres no quick infos thats all
08:37:19 <Lemonizer> I can't read !
08:37:28 <Lemonizer> what do you think of those ?
08:37:36 <rust_collector> I made a square greek pizza
08:37:37 <Lemonizer> its to plug on test leads, to use with my supplies for example
08:37:39 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/u5kodrM
08:37:49 <mamalala> Lemonizer: the mueller is for a 2mm plug
08:37:55 <mamalala> https://eu.mouser.com/datasheet/2/279/DS-BU-P5788-_40-1661897.pdf
08:38:11 <mamalala> rust_collector: yummi!
08:38:13 <Lemonizer> ha sucks
08:38:20 <Lemonizer> so theres the last one I linked, https://www.muellerelectric.com/product_files/1044/[email protected]
08:38:23 <Lemonizer> its for 4mm
08:38:36 <mamalala> guess i should make some chilli-sheese-nuggets in the air fryer :P
08:38:46 <Lemonizer> it got cat ratings, 10amps max which is a lot for what I want to do
08:38:53 <mamalala> *cheese
08:39:49 <Lemonizer> for 4 pairs, that would cost me what I paid for 10 pairs of leads :P
08:40:28 <Lemonizer> but they look nice, I like mueller
08:40:34 <Lemonizer> and the fast that they are removable
08:40:46 <Lemonizer> so you can turn a test lead into a crocodile lead etc
08:41:18 <Ysjoelfir> lol :) enjoy your Ass, rusty xD
08:41:44 <Ysjoelfir> and: chili cheese nuggets sound great. especially in the airfryer
08:41:51 <rust_collector> my ass is feeling weird
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08:42:41 <DHess_US> Try leaving the Apple store.
08:43:20 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: http://atelier-klippel.de/20200229_224227.jpg
08:43:44 <rust_collector> will they give me cheese&chilli nuggets when I leave the apple store?
08:43:51 <Lemonizer> I want to get mini grabbers that plug on bananas 4mm too
08:43:57 <rust_collector> yes, that sounds plausible, actually
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08:44:57 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: these nuggets have a very high "suchtpotenzial"
08:45:11 <mamalala> they taste soooo good :P
08:46:30 <Lemonizer> damn 8 euros a piece ffs
08:46:34 <Lemonizer> thats really expensive
08:46:42 <rust_collector> for nuggets?
08:46:48 <Lemonizer> for mini grabbers
08:47:02 <rust_collector> that is because they started up ddr again, or something
08:47:04 <rust_collector> oh
08:47:19 <mamalala> well, what a coincidence... a 1kg bag of these nuggets is also around 8 euro :)
08:47:52 <rust_collector> 16 euros for a meal is not bad. leaves 14 for a drink
08:48:01 <mamalala> lol
08:50:26 <Ysjoelfir> 14 for a drink... so... like one Ass?
08:51:11 <rust_collector> not sure, a six pack of those cost me a welding rod, and a random piece of tubing
08:54:38 <Lemonizer> alright bois time to sleep !
08:54:42 <Lemonizer> see you tommorow :>
08:54:50 <mamalala> night Lemonizer
08:54:57 <rust_collector> good evenight
08:55:17 <Lemonizer> thanks guys, bye !
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09:30:45 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/ofzrcp99fvj41.jpg
09:31:11 <rust_collector> that is a strange looking fish
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09:34:27 <T3sl4> but a normal looking ghoti
09:34:47 <Ysjoelfir> xD
09:35:09 <Ysjoelfir> I was asked to ask you if that is your... ghoti
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09:54:57 <Halcyon> MOrning all
09:56:50 <rust_collector> Huomenta
09:59:45 <Halcyon> Aww that's cool. Dog operated steadicam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9UfGtM-kHc
10:00:26 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo!
10:00:32 <Ysjoelfir> it'in 9 days
10:00:34 <Ysjoelfir> ...
10:00:41 <Ysjoelfir> its my birthday in 9 days!
10:00:47 <Halcyon> How old will you be?
10:00:55 <rust_collector> almost ancient
10:00:59 <Ysjoelfir> oh, hy halcion :)
10:01:00 <Halcyon> Hahah
10:01:02 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
10:01:04 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, almost ancient. 30
10:01:43 <rust_collector> you might as well start to give away your stuff. the end is near
10:02:00 <Halcyon> Hehe
10:02:04 <Halcyon> The 30's is awesome
10:02:06 <Halcyon> I'm loving it
10:02:09 <Halcyon> So much better than 20's
10:02:20 <rust_collector> I sort of remember the 30s
10:02:43 <rust_collector> I can not say I remember much of my 20s
10:03:51 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
10:04:04 <Lord_of_nothing> Does anyone here work or do something with QGis?
10:15:53 <Halcyon> Not I
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11:33:07 <mamalala> what are qgi's?
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11:33:56 <rust_collector> it is a state secret
11:34:26 <mamalala> Quirky Goofy Intelligence? that is, the usual?
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11:34:46 <rust_collector> offf, ok, yes, but don't tell people, ok?
11:35:04 <mamalala> ok, will do
11:35:12 <mamalala> well, not do ... or whatever :P
11:35:22 <rust_collector> WHATEVER!!!
11:35:58 <rust_collector> I wonder, has microwave transformers shrunk a lot in the last 15 or so years?
11:36:20 <mamalala> dunno, i don't use a microwave... but i would guess not
11:36:49 <mamalala> they may build them down to a price nowdays, though ... barely able to output the required power for a few seconds
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11:37:18 <mamalala> that's probably why modern microwaves are basically just on/off the emitter
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11:37:34 <rust_collector> I just grabbed a transformer from one the other day, and I really thought they would be much larger.
11:38:09 <mamalala> magnetrons probably got 200% more efficient!!!
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11:38:24 <rust_collector> it was a fairly large samsung, so I guess it was...reasonable quality-ish
11:39:01 <mamalala> nah... just because it's samsung doesn't automatically mean it's good quality ... as with every other brand nowdays
11:39:30 <rust_collector> as I said, reasonable-ish
11:39:33 <mamalala> what was the regular line a decade or two ago is now considered "premium", and the regular consumer stuff is now just low grade crap
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11:40:57 <mamalala> just look at the regular "white goods" stuff... there is a big factory somewhere in china or so, pumping out washing machines, for example... and at the end they get labelled siemens, miele, whatever
11:41:36 <mamalala> "good" household appliances got really expensive....
11:42:03 <mamalala> like, recently i switched to a siemens induction cooktop... a small one, "domino"...
11:42:20 <mamalala> and only because the avergae ones were just crap, failed after a year or two
11:42:56 <mamalala> so far the domino performs much better... although the uder interface is a bit more, uh, strange...
11:43:19 <mamalala> *user
11:44:25 <mamalala> still over 500 euros new that thing, even though it is on the market for several years now
11:44:46 <mamalala> ebay.de/itm/SIEMENS-iQ700-EX375FXB1E-Domino-Induktions-Kochfeld-touchSlider-varioInduktion/324076578386
11:44:47 <mamalala> that one
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11:47:12 <rust_collector> I do monitor a few of the local recycling dumpsters, and there are a lot of cooktop control boards in them
11:47:25 <mamalala> induction?
11:47:30 <rust_collector> yes
11:47:55 <mamalala> the "cheap" ones really fail often... and "cheap" is very realtive, even a 200 euro cooktop
11:47:58 <coppice_> mamalala: those Bosch/Neff/Siemens ones seem to have a bad reputation for the touch pad failing
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11:48:25 <rust_collector> And for some reason, in the last 2 weeks, a lot of companies seens to have replaced their network switches and stuff
11:49:05 <mamalala> coppice_: so far i had no issue at all ... the only nasty thing is that the silkscreen is rather unreadable... i mean, if you look at the sales images for the siemens domino, it looks all bright and high contrast... but in reality it is hard to read if you don't have a lot of light
11:49:24 <rust_collector> mostly hp and some cisco. with a few hobbyist netgear and such thrown in
11:49:42 <mamalala> rust_collector: well, it's a new year, so the it departments got their funding requests for new hardware through, and out goes the old stuff :P
11:49:52 <rust_collector> I guess
11:50:09 <coppice_> mamalala: The cheap single plate induction cookers achieve some very nice volumes in China. We got something into just one model that sold 25M a year
11:50:12 <mamalala> speaking of induction cooktops... if i had more money than sense... i would buy this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJzq8rbR2c
11:50:29 <rust_collector> I do think I might grab a couple of the netgear ones, the ones with the metal case, because they are nice cases
11:50:33 <mamalala> coppice_: yea, they can often be found at dicounters here, like aldi and lidl
11:51:16 <mamalala> so far i had dual cooktops... and initially they were all nice... but in the end, none lived for more than a year
11:51:37 <mamalala> either the glass cracked very easily, or (most common), it lost power
11:51:50 <coppice_> I'd like to try one of the induction hobs for woks that several European companies make. A wok on a conventional flat electric hob is pretty useless
11:51:59 <mamalala> also, the "cheap" ones are rather nasty at low settings
11:52:08 <rust_collector> We still get the old style ones. mostly because I do not feel like replacing the pots and stuff
11:52:36 <mamalala> rust_collector: quite often you don't really need to replace them ... if a magnet sticks to the bottom, it's good to go
11:52:48 <mamalala> although frying pans can be a bit tricky
11:53:02 <rust_collector> We have a lot of random crap
11:53:33 <mamalala> i have two cheap ones here (30 euros each)... one is not specifically labelled as suitable for induction, but boy, it heats up in no time ... the other has the induction stamp, but takes forever to get hot
11:53:46 <rust_collector> We will see, kid #1 got an apartment, so he is moving out probably next month, so maybe we can give him a bunch of that old crap
11:53:59 <mamalala> but induction cooktops are so worth it....
11:54:13 <mamalala> it's almost like cooking with gas
11:54:29 <mamalala> turn it up, instant increase... turn it down, instant stop
11:54:30 <coppice_> you could cook with actual gas
11:54:54 <mamalala> coppice_: well, i'm not going to install a gas tank somewhere... i have no gas line here...
11:55:08 <coppice_> ah, that;s a drawback
11:55:25 <mamalala> in fact, gas is phasing out in germany... more and more old houses that used to have gas get disconnected during major renovations and switch to electric
11:55:40 <coppice_> what about heating?
11:55:42 <rust_collector> my dad inlaw got a gas stove/cooker thing, that runs off a bbq style bottle
11:56:22 <rust_collector> heating? they burn dirt down there, they just call it some kind of coal
11:56:24 <mamalala> coppice_: if there is gas heating, it usually is a central heater... individual (that is, per flat) or per story hgas heating is also going out
11:57:08 <coppice_> oh, for apartments. I thought you said houses
11:57:18 <mamalala> most common here is either fuel based central heaters, or "fernwaerme"... that is, you get the heat from a central location, distributed to many homes
11:57:27 <mamalala> yes, houses is the same
11:57:48 <mamalala> if they have gas, it's usually only for the central heater, nothing else
11:58:11 <coppice_> Yeah, I know Germany does have a lot of heating by distributed hot water
11:58:45 <mamalala> also somewhat common still are electric heat storage ovens
11:58:54 <coppice_> There is a good market for heat meters in Germany :)
11:59:02 <mamalala> you get a special tarif for that electricity, and it is switched on remotely
11:59:35 <mamalala> so it's basically just a box full of dense bricks, with heating elements inbetween, and a tangential fan
11:59:52 <mamalala> it heats up the bricks during night, and slowly releases the heat during the day
11:59:52 <rust_collector> right now, electricity is dirt cheap up here, so we do not even bother with burning wood this year
11:59:54 <coppice_> They usually use concrete blocks
12:00:11 <mamalala> coppice_: nah, not here, it's not concrete
12:00:35 <mamalala> it's really like a brick, just a bit denser... i think they mix other stuff in that as well
12:00:39 <coppice_> Interesting. The storage heaters I've seen in the UK use concrete
12:00:58 <mamalala> the bricks are reddish-black in colour, usually
12:01:42 <mamalala> it's what i have in my "thing" :P
12:04:14 <mamalala> front house has central gas heating ... but my backyard building only has electricity... it was a industrial place, after all
12:05:45 <mamalala> well, one of the front houses has .. the other one also has electric storage
12:29:11 <rust_collector> heh, do eastern europeans usually say alternative current? I have just seen 2 videos with that
12:57:05 <mamalala> coppice_: regarding heat meters... they are mandatory in rental buildings with central heating
12:57:26 <mamalala> to fairly distribute the cost for heating among the tenants
13:05:37 <rust_collector> a bunch of drunk people are sliding on some kind of sheet material outside. good times
13:27:47 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Freedom In Australia Is Dead. Sounds like the $10k cash ban is going to happen. https://t.co/Cm8IIypqfX
13:28:17 <mamalala> but muh terrorists!!
13:28:51 <mamalala> because if we know one thing, it's that criminals are totally law abiding folk that care a great deal about laws
13:37:12 <DHess_US> Pft, in the US we have had cash bans for decades now.
13:38:08 <mamalala> seriously? didn't know that
13:38:33 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
13:38:45 <rust_collector> eh, is any of you going to australistan?
13:38:55 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Other_cash_seizures
13:41:04 <mamalala> DHess_US: ahh, well, that's the silly law where the cops can confiscate all you money if they even have the slightest "suspicion" that it may come from illegal sources
13:41:30 <DHess_US> Right, but with essentially no standard of proof.
13:42:00 <DHess_US> It works very well below $10,000 because it would cost more in court to challenge it
13:42:32 <mamalala> DHess_US: yea, the standard of proof thing is a real sad thing... seems they made this law not to fight crime, but to prop up their own funds
13:42:51 <DHess_US> So most seizures are of small amounts and they make up most of the volume.
13:44:53 <mamalala> DHess_US: i think that this is another flaw in the us justice system... that you don't get your costs reimbursed by the other party if they wrongly do stuff to you...
13:45:08 <mamalala> instead you have to separately soe for that, if i understood correctly
13:45:13 <mamalala> *sue
13:45:34 <DHess_US> Another reason to seize money from innocents is that they will not violently resist; they are law abiding.
13:46:28 <DHess_US> If you seize money from major criminals, they are more likely to violently resist which can be deadly.
13:46:37 <DHess_US> So it is just safer.
13:46:58 <mamalala> yea... but it's one thing to be able to seize money for no reason at all, basically... it's another to prohibit people from withdrawing over a certain amount, or paying over a certain amount in cash
13:47:29 <DHess_US> Our banks report "suspicious" transactions.
13:47:57 <DHess_US> Which is anything over $10,000 or that might be over $10,000 in aggregate.
13:47:59 <mamalala> it get's an especially funny taste if you consider how many politicians, which put such laws in place after all, are themselves deeply involved in shady deals and corruption
13:48:16 <mamalala> yea, similar here in germany/europe
13:48:18 <rust_collector> just if you do not pay them enough. or your business makes then emough money, I guess
13:48:26 <DHess_US> Sure, if you are not rich after being a politician, then are you doing it wrong.
13:48:35 <mamalala> they just want you to pay all the stuff in a way that is easily traceable
13:50:25 <DHess_US> Yea, and the US *just* wanted to seize money from criminals. Right.
13:51:30 <DHess_US> I don't care if it started with good intensions when it is being used for evil now.
13:53:50 <mamalala> well, that's the issue with all those laws that purport to fight "terror" or such
13:54:07 <mamalala> they sell it to you because it helps to catch terrorists... or child fuckers
13:54:15 <DHess_US> drugs, terrorism, child porn, they are all great excuses
13:54:16 <mamalala> i mean, come on... think of the children!!
13:54:38 <mamalala> and once these laws are in place, their scope gets extended over and over again
13:54:44 <mamalala> we have that here in germany right now
13:55:24 <mamalala> all that stuff that was sold to the electorate to help against terrorism and the worst of the worst crime... like data retention laws, etc... now they use it for basically everything
13:55:49 <mamalala> just wait a few more years, and it will be used against people who park their car in the wrong spot
13:55:59 <mamalala> and "years" is rather optimistic
13:58:18 <mamalala> all that crap has gotten to a stage where it just became idiotic... like the demand that companies put backdoors in their crypto... while thinking that such shit would still be secure in general
13:59:18 <mamalala> "that nasty criminal doesn't want to give us his passwords! so you need to put a backdoor in, so that we can access it anyways! everyone's else's data is still secure!!"
14:00:34 <mamalala> part of me really wants that backdoor shit to happen... because then it will be inevitable that others exploit that... and bam, all the personal crap of the people who wanted these backdoors is now out in the open as well
14:01:09 <mamalala> i'm sure it would take less than a month before they force everyone to close these backdoors, once they are personally affected by such bullshit
14:03:42 <mamalala> but then... what do i complain...
14:03:55 <mamalala> i mean, look at the UK if you want to see really silly crap
14:04:16 <mamalala> can't even have a butter knife on you when walking in the streets... it's basically illegal there now
14:20:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, the number and breadth of people talking about prepping now is amazing. It's practically mainstream. Of course, everyone does "prepping" to some extent. Joe Average will typically buy a week or two worth of groceries at a time anyway.
14:21:27 <rust_collector> that has to be why the wife is at the store 2-3 times each day
14:22:24 <mamalala> rust_collector: your wife is called joe? :P
14:23:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: If the coronavirus takes off here and they start cancelling events, good chance the Sydney Opera House will be going cheap. Next EEVblog meetup location?
14:23:50 <mamalala> imagine being of these preppers... all in panic about some virus... so you are shopping for goods, and what finally gets you is a car accident on your way to/from the supermarket...
14:26:21 <coppice_> is a prepper a generalised version of a hypochondriac?
14:26:39 <mamalala> i would think so
14:26:49 <coppice_> with all their gravestones carved with the message "I told you so"
14:27:08 <mamalala> lol
14:27:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: The Onion: NASA Discovers Distant Planet Located Outside Funding Capabilities https://t.co/F60fX4BE4F https://t.co/zKFI8vnM90
14:27:21 <mamalala> one of them is bound to be right, though :P
14:28:23 <mamalala> it's like psychics... 99.9999% of what they blabber is nonsense... but given enough idiots listening, at some point it will be 100% true for one
14:29:22 <mamalala> of course most people will take that one incidence as proof of some ability... totally ignoring the 99+% of false guesses
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15:51:05 <Halcyon> :)
16:17:20 <steve30> hi
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16:21:58 <hsn> hello
16:21:58 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
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16:47:11 <Halcyon> :D
16:47:19 * Halcyon pokes Steve back
16:48:55 * steve30 pokes Halcyon again
16:49:21 <Halcyon> Lower ;-)
16:50:33 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon
16:52:05 <steve30> I enquired on the forum about air conditioning
16:53:00 <Halcyon> Mmmm>?
16:54:02 <steve30> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/renewable-energy/home-air-conditioning-in-the-uk/
16:54:34 <Halcyon> Heheh cum
16:54:41 <steve30> Although at the moment I'm in more of a duvet mood :D
16:55:04 <Halcyon> Bahah
16:55:26 <Halcyon> You can get split system units with two indoor units that run off the same compressor
16:55:28 <steve30> Out of that whole topic, you would pick out the one latin word which has alternative modern meaning :p
16:55:41 <Halcyon> Provided you don't want the temperatures in both rooms being wildly different, they work quite well
16:56:14 * steve30 wants a duvet and a cuddly boy
16:56:25 <Halcyon> So duvet and cum :P
16:56:32 <Halcyon> Which reminds me, I need to change my bed sheets
16:58:10 * steve30 eyes up Halcyon's fresh sheets
17:14:26 <steve30> hehe, bigclive wants to make glow in the dark cum
17:25:50 <Halcyon> I haven't watched that oneyet
17:25:51 <Halcyon> yet
17:30:22 <steve30> I might have a wander down to the shop later and stock up on chocolate
17:49:21 * steve30 coffees
17:55:53 * Halcyon wines
17:58:01 <steve30> coffee is better
18:01:52 <Halcyon> Jerry is nibbling on my ear
18:02:39 <steve30> hehe
18:15:44 * steve30 pets jerry
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18:56:02 <Halcyon> :)
18:56:09 <Halcyon> Jerry is having his dinner
18:57:40 <Halcyon> Hey steve30, you'd appreciate this: I found a source of old SmartMedia cards
18:57:44 <Halcyon> So I bought a few
18:57:57 <Halcyon> I always lover their wafer thin design
18:58:25 <Halcyon> *loved
19:18:15 <hsn> jerry is cat?
19:18:18 <Halcyon> Bird
19:18:25 <hsn> not a mice ?
19:18:26 <Halcyon> Cockatiel
19:18:49 <hsn> does cockatiel speak ?
19:19:20 <Halcyon> Nah he is a bit young still
19:19:27 <Halcyon> He makes lots of noise though
19:19:38 <hsn> then he is happy i guess :P
19:19:51 <Halcyon> I guess
19:20:46 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZOxn8ggX8w
19:20:49 <Halcyon> That is so cool
19:22:13 <hsn> holy moly
19:24:09 <hsn> love it
19:24:16 <Halcyon> So simple, but so awesome
19:27:05 <Halcyon> Ampera, you around?
19:29:55 <hsn> ampera is (asquare)
19:30:08 <Halcyon> Apparently it's hip
19:44:29 <steve30> Halcyon, cool. Never used SmartMedia myself. I don't have anything that takes them.
19:44:49 * steve30 has just been out for a walk in the sunshine
19:44:58 <Halcyon> I have an old video camera that does
19:56:32 <steve30> The camcorder I got last year came with an 8MB SD card
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22:12:09 <Lemon> hello bois
22:12:10 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
22:12:14 <Lemon> and gurls
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22:15:39 <Broxie> I applied to join eevblog forum a week or more ago and am still awaiting approval! I got the first email to verify me email address tells me I will get a second email when I am approved! What's going on?
22:16:24 <Lemon> you forgot to say Hi, thats the main problem :>
22:16:35 <Broxie> HI
22:16:49 <Broxie> Do I pass now?
22:16:53 <Broxie> :)
22:17:44 <Lemon> thats better :P
22:17:50 <Broxie> Ha ha
22:18:18 <Lemon> I must say I'm still not registered on the forum !! I just stay here all day, and lurk around :>
22:18:30 <Lemon> you can't post anything ?
22:18:48 <Broxie> Okay kewel @Lemon Apologies
22:19:38 <Broxie> I can not log into the forum as the approval process is hung or just taking a very long time.
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22:20:52 <Broxie> I follow mostly he videos that always mention the forum and all the wonderful threads, so thought I might join it.
22:22:15 <Lemon> thats a good thing yeah, I keep reading every threads on the metrology/test equipement sections
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22:23:59 <Lemon> Ampera you there ?
22:24:27 <Broxie> Yeah its great, but am kinda foxed as to why I can't get approved on forum.
22:25:08 <Lemon> yeah I didn't know that, and theres no many peeps on right now, thanks to timezones
22:25:18 <Lemon> well, they are on but not awake :>
22:25:58 <Broxie> The beauty of the internet
22:26:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'll likely wake up tomorrow with over 10,000 followers on @LBRYio Wow. FYI: I became a full time Youtuber (2011) at around 10,000 subs. Feels like old times, but new... https://t.co/8909UtUYwq
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22:27:53 <Lemon> what are you most interested by in electronics ?
22:31:12 <Broxie> Currently repairing my old Hameg 203-6 and a few Arduino progects.
22:32:25 <Broxie> My service history is mostly in Fire alarms and Public Address systems, Industrial clocking in mechines etc.
22:32:26 <Lemon> hooo neat ! I have two 203-1/2 idk which ones they are laying around :> thats great !
22:32:55 <Lemon> thats pretty nice !
22:34:52 <Broxie> I think it will be a long repair I found 3 separate faults one of which makes me wonder how it ever worked in the first place, fut it is still nowt tracing unless I add both chanels.
22:35:51 <Broxie> And some very odd noise in a rolling parrten, so I probably have some failing power supply capacitors etc
22:36:39 <Lemon> sounds like an interesting project :>
22:36:48 <Broxie> The working hameg 203-7 is just a fev noisy pots but otherwise okay.
22:37:11 <Lemon> I have an hp54201d that got a non working channel, gain and offset precisely
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22:38:21 <Broxie> I will get there eventually, then likely give it away or sell it as I have limited space. What is your thing electronics wise?
22:38:44 <Ysjoelfir> Oha! A new name I have never (?) read before! Ho Broxie
22:38:49 <Ysjoelfir> *Hi
22:38:54 <Ysjoelfir> And Hi all others
22:39:05 <Lemon> my thing is to buy all the things currently
22:39:19 <Lemon> and fill my room with old big bois :>
22:39:47 <Lemon> I wanted to build myself a lab for 1k or under
22:39:49 <Broxie> Hi Ysjoeifir and all
22:39:54 <Lemon> and im quite close to it I must say
22:40:50 <Ysjoelfir> Ah, the old hoarder Lemon is also active :P
22:41:18 <Lemon> always, sir !
22:41:54 <Lemon> our new buddie was asking why it takes that long to be approved on the forum
22:41:59 <Lemon> if you have any ideas !
22:42:09 <Lemon> buddy
22:42:16 <Broxie> just looked up that hp54201d ! Nice bit of kit!
22:42:23 <Ysjoelfir> since when do you need to be approved?
22:42:25 <Ysjoelfir> Oo
22:42:31 <Lemon> the most complicated thing ever !
22:42:55 <Ysjoelfir> I still opt for an Tek 502A for you, Lemon
22:43:26 <Lemon> its ok :>
22:43:48 <Lemon> maybe later I'll try to get an old digital scope that got a huge bandwith/resolution of at least 500mhz, 2gs/s or something
22:43:59 <Lemon> I saw some for under 400/500 euros
22:44:03 <Lemon> but that wont be for now
22:44:29 <Ysjoelfir> Tektronix 502A, lemon. Remember that.
22:44:36 <Ysjoelfir> You WILL want one, sooner or later
22:45:26 <Lemon> yeah but for now I'd rather get things I will use :P
22:45:41 <Broxie> I have been away from electroincs for 15 years and the 20MHz Hameg was all I needed for the TV and Radio stuff I Trained on.
22:46:04 <Ysjoelfir> I have to admit that I will probably repair one of my 502As and place that on the desk to use after I am done with the hitler radio
22:46:27 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and after the Nicolet Mini Ubiquitous Spectrum Analyzer
22:46:47 <Lemon> this one is dope
22:47:33 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, sadly it's from a smoker. I would actually love to completely disassemble it and clean it from the bottom up, but I'm not insane
22:47:49 <Ysjoelfir> at least not if I don't get paid for being insane
22:47:50 <Lemon> pff its even better now ! :>
22:48:15 <Ysjoelfir> No. It's sticky and yellowed^^
22:48:20 <Ysjoelfir> And it stinks when it heats up
22:49:07 <Broxie> I am considering getting a cheap digital scope with 50mhz to 100Mhz Rigol 10545z
22:50:31 <Lemon> or check second hand bois !
22:50:42 <Lemon> like a tek tds 380
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22:52:10 <Broxie> Anything over 100 Mhz seems to be a pipe dream money wise and not really sure what I would use it for.
22:52:44 <Lemon> or a 2232, something like that
22:53:23 <Broxie> I will look around before I part with my cash.
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22:54:03 <Broxie> For now I best go out and get other half to the shops or I will not be eating all next week! :)
22:54:08 <Lemon> yeah, not that I dont like rigols they are nice for sure, but sometimes, most of the time actually, old gear offers you a lot of features, better build etc for less
22:54:35 <Lemon> heh good luck :>
22:55:53 <Broxie> And hanks for chatting, dumb blonde here thought it was just one of them "Chat assistants" hence the blurting out my question with out an intro :) :P
22:56:00 <Broxie> thanks
22:56:48 <Lemon> heh no worries feel free to come here anytime !
22:57:39 <Broxie> It's been both fun and informative, so I just might pester you all again. :)
22:58:42 <Broxie> bye.........................
22:58:49 <Lemon> sure :> have a good day !
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23:09:33 <Ysjoelfir> Kemon!
23:09:37 <Ysjoelfir> *Lemon
23:09:47 <Lemon> yesh
23:10:50 <Ysjoelfir> I need your help. I got a sidejob proposal to write an appnote for a specific series of ICs. I just can't find anything that I could write about that hasn'Ät been done before
23:10:53 <Ysjoelfir> give me ideas!
23:11:05 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/greenpak-application-notes <-- existing appnotes
23:12:23 <Lemon> bruh
23:12:30 <Lemon> I dont even understand the question :>
23:13:02 <Ysjoelfir> xD
23:13:28 <Lemon> remember, I can blink leds !
23:15:24 <Ysjoelfir> ok, lets make it easy: Which... circuit would you love to have? like.... a circuit that senses humidity and temperature and decides if it needs to switch on either the heater or the humidifier
23:15:43 <Lemon> hmmm
23:17:13 <Lemon> im going to eat and think about it
23:17:16 <Lemon> thats interesting
23:19:08 <Ysjoelfir> xD ok, do that
23:19:10 <hsn> i choose to switch both
23:19:14 <hsn> :)
23:20:35 <hsn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32879044291.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.25bd454fbsUYN8&algo_pvid=55bf2568-fee4-4c08-8948-2e9bddd5c92e&algo_expid=55bf2568-fee4-4c08-8948-2e9bddd5c92e-12&btsid=0be3764515830652150115014e4e6f&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
23:20:51 <hsn> is there such thing : 1.35GHz--9.5GHz antenna?
23:21:38 <hsn> i thought antennas have specific frequency they are good at ..
23:21:50 <hsn> and not that (wide range)
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23:28:43 <T3sl4> hsn: sure, wideband antennas can be 20:1 or even more BW
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23:41:31 <hsn> 20:1 BW?
23:44:27 <hsn> fh/fl:1
23:44:40 <hsn> okaaay
23:49:48 <hsn> wwooh robert feranec have 2HOURS! (pcb footprint) video
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23:52:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: WTF, it's not even midnight, I didn't even have to wait until the morning to get to 10k followers on @LBRYio This platform is EXPLODING! https://t.co/kA9IGdviHv
23:52:46 <Ysjoelfir> he also has a.... 140(?) hours workshop. or more than one
23:52:58 <Lemon> I dont have any idea honestly
23:53:01 <Ysjoelfir> I already bought two and worked my way through them.
23:53:04 <Ysjoelfir> :O
23:53:09 <hsn> u mean (tips) videos
23:53:12 <Ysjoelfir> lemon, you failed me :'(
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23:53:16 <Ysjoelfir> no, workshops
23:53:20 <Lemon> its too complicated !
23:53:48 <Ysjoelfir> hsn https://academy.fedevel.com/courses
23:54:02 <hsn> the workshops = https://academy.fedevel.com/courses/schematic-pcb-design-course-online
23:54:24 <Ysjoelfir> thats one of them
23:55:03 <hsn> yeah i wanted to take this one : https://academy.fedevel.com/courses/online-advanced-pcb-layout-course
23:55:07 <Ysjoelfir> I already watched Learn altium essentials (first edition), learn to design your own boards, and the advanced hardware design course
23:55:09 <hsn> or the yocto linux one
23:55:55 <hsn> but my fear is that they are limited time so if i pay i've to be sure im going to watch it all in some certain time
23:56:14 <hsn> the one with lifetime access is expensive for me
23:56:16 <Ysjoelfir> you can always write an email to robert and ask him to reenable the course
23:56:36 <Ysjoelfir> I made that twice as I wanted to look back into something I forgot
23:57:33 <hsn> i know u know a lot more than me
23:57:58 <Ysjoelfir> is that so? I'm sure you have many areas where you know more than I do :)
23:58:18 <hsn> at the time u took the course
23:58:24 <hsn> u was not familier with altium ?
23:59:31 <Ysjoelfir> well... i worked with it for a few weeks but found it realy hard since my previous CAD package (EAGLE) was completely different.
23:59:45 <Ysjoelfir> so you can say I was not familiar, yes
23:59:52 <hsn> ok i see
23:59:52 <Lemon> do you know an online course I could take ?
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