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35:11 <Ysjoelfir> Why is everyone timing out or leaving? :D
37:06 <HarryWindsor> That's what Grandma said.
38:44 <Ysjoelfir> I thought thats what you say when grandma times out?
39:26 <AndrevS> Gehehe
43:54 <HarryWindsor> People have been saying my uncle Andy is a pdf file.
48:27 * Ampera throws a claidheamh mor at Halcyon
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53:49 <Ysjoelfir> why is that HarryWindsor?
54:12 <Ysjoelfir> What is a claidheamh Ampera?
54:42 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir: Scots Gaelic for great sword.
55:00 <Ysjoelfir> Ah. I would call that a Claymore :D
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58:53 <rust_collector> morning?
01:29 <Ysjoelfir> evening :)
02:58 <rust_collector> oh crap
05:26 <Ampera> it's afternoon here
05:56 <rust_collector> you always have your own time.
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08:40 <Nothing\> i just found something neat out about canadian money
08:46 <Nothing\> there's a diffraction grating in it
08:55 <rust_collector> they are all fake, who cares?
09:13 <Nothing\> in the bills, there's this little semitransparent window and if you shine a laser through it, it'll project the value of the bill onto the wall
09:27 <Nothing\> rust_collector: yeah but your bills are illegal
09:32 <Nothing\> they violate the ADA
09:41 <Nothing\> which i never got
09:54 <rust_collector> I don't have bills?
10:05 <Nothing\> yank bills
10:13 <rust_collector> I donæt yank
10:20 <Nothing\> lol
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10:40 <Nothing\> our bills are awesome, completely counterfeit proof
10:47 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
10:51 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
10:55 <Nothing\> how ya doing buddy?
10:57 <Ampera> how do fren
11:06 <Ampera> I got a new skateboard
11:09 <Nothing\> oh shitty, i'd like to say otherwise but it's been stressful
11:10 <rust_collector> nah, you can copy them, it is just more expensive than getting the real ones
11:14 <Nothing\> awesome
11:22 <Nothing\> i never could skateboard, i'd always end up on my ass
11:31 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148449068903825408/664349140980858890/IMG_20200107_164024.png
11:37 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148449068903825408/664349273114279946/IMG_20200107_164058.png
11:40 <Ampera> I built it myself.
11:58 <Nothing\> rust_collector: yeah you need some really specialized equipment for it, i watched how they're made once and part of the process involves a 5 storey tall plastic bubble with a very precise thickness
14:07 <Ampera> I'm dedicated to getting the hang of skateboarding, I've gotten as far as rolling down a hill pretty good.
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14:16 <Ampera> RIP
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14:31 <Nothing\> son of a diddly
14:38 <Nothing\> anywho that's a pretty cool skateboard, Ampera
14:42 <rust_collector> I think rolling down a hill is the most difficult part
14:46 <Nothing\> i wish i could mate stuff like that
14:50 <Nothing\> *make
14:53 <Ampera> rust_collector, rolling on flat level ground is harder
15:04 <Nothing\> i bought a dremel a while back, but i don't have anywhere i can use it
15:06 <Ampera> Nothing\, I didn't make the board, just assembled it.
15:12 <Nothing\> ah i see
15:25 <rust_collector> yeah, but you just tip over, you don't slide on your face until you stop
15:46 <Nothing\> i had rollerblades when they were popular
15:59 <Nothing\> i couldn't figure out how to stop, so i'd just crash into something soft like grass any time i had to stop
16:02 <Ampera> rust_collector, wrong, if you have speed, you can run off a failing go.
16:09 <Ampera> if you're stationary you will fall on your ass.
16:19 <rust_collector> my ass can take that
16:22 <Nothing\> which was pretty much the same thing i did with normal skating, i'd just crash into the boards to stop myself
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16:49 <Nothing\> i've never been very big with physical activities
17:00 <Nothing\> though i did used to bike everywhere as a kid/teenager
17:21 <Ampera> the other issue is that when you go down hill, you don't need to upset your balance by pushing with your feet
17:28 <Nothing\> i tried biking a few years ago though and it just hurt my ass too much after even 5 minutes, not enough padding on my buns
17:45 <Nothing\> Ampera: how do you control your speed though?
17:46 <Ampera> biking is easy, I do that, and yes it hurts the fuck outta my ass
18:04 <Ampera> Nothing\ by either A. chickening out and jumping off the board, or B. dragging your foot.
18:10 <Nothing\> i dunno about skateboards, but i know with a bike, once you get going too fast the steering gets really wobbly and dangerously sensitive
18:17 <Ampera> oh with a bike?
18:23 <Nothing\> no, i meant skateboarding
18:33 <coppice_> Ampera: you do realise you are not supposed to insert that narrow saddle, right?
18:34 <Nothing\> i was just using biking as the closest thing i'm familiar with
18:38 <Ampera> Skateboards are different in that they're neutrally stable.
18:50 <Nothing\> ah
18:59 <Nothing\> somebody should invent a 3 wheeled skateboard
19:03 <Ampera> not that you can't flip them over
19:05 <Nothing\> sorta like those citroen cars
19:12 <Ampera> Nothing\, I raise you a 2 wheeled skateboard
19:17 <Ampera> but with a handle so you can balance yourself
19:19 <Nothing\> interdasting
19:23 <Ampera> I'll call them scooters
19:26 <Ampera> since you can scoot on them
19:29 <Nothing\> that's a funny name for them
19:34 <Nothing\> i'd have called em chazwazzers
19:46 <Ampera> well I also called them scooters because cooters
20:20 <Nothing\> man, i'm so happy with myself
20:37 <Nothing\> the other day i figured out how to computer the derivative of a function by hand
20:44 <Nothing\> like, without consulting outside material
20:58 <Ampera> now integrate it back into the original function
21:09 <Nothing\> that's my next plan
21:35 <MrMobodies> Hello
21:37 <Nothing\> for some reason for years i've been obsessed with figuring out how to find the average rate of change of a function, and i finally figured it out a couple of weeks ago
22:00 <Nothing\> and i realized it was really close to a derivative, so i worked on it a bit more and eventually got to where i could find the derivative
22:04 <Nothing\> hey MrMobodies
22:10 <Nothing\> are you my long lost brother?
22:16 <MrMobodies> average rate of change... interesting
23:12 <Nothing\> yeah so like if you have a function so x^2, it would give you the difference between say, 2^1 and 1^1 then 3^2 and 2^2, then 4^2 and 3^2 and so on
23:33 <MrMobodies> I see
24:07 <Nothing\> which at the time, i didn't realize was related to the derivative at all, i started obsessing with finding that before i even started learning calculus
24:07 <MrMobodies> 5^1 6^-1?
24:21 <Nothing\> but the only calc i ever got to after that was up to the power rule
24:40 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: well you just subtract one from the other
24:53 <Nothing\> so 5^1 - 1/6
25:06 <Nothing\> 1/6 being 6^-1
25:12 <MrMobodies> and I get the rate of change
25:17 <Nothing\> exactly
25:41 <MrMobodies> 4/6 4^-6
25:51 <Nothing\> that's all it is, as a formula it would be f(x+1)-f(x)
26:11 <Nothing\> so with x^2 you'd have something like 5^2-4^2
26:23 <Nothing\> if x=4
27:34 <Nothing\> and the function would do that for every value of x
27:52 <Nothing\> find the difference between every x value
29:15 <MrMobodies> f(4+1)-f(4)
29:21 <Nothing\> exactly
30:27 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i became so fascinated with trying to figure out how to do that for at least a couple of years, but i didn't know enough math or know what it was called, but i've really gotten into math lately so i finally got to the point where it all clicked
30:42 <MrMobodies> and you make it look easy
30:55 <Nothing\> it is pretty straight forward once you figure it out
31:11 <Nothing\> although tbh, most math is
31:19 <MrMobodies> just noticed above "3 wheeled skateboard"
31:19 <Nothing\> school just makes it seem a lot harder than it is
31:38 <MrMobodies> Oh yes, make all the easy things difficult for me.
31:54 <Nothing\> i've found since i took up electronics, learning math in the context of a practical application has really made it a lot easier for me
31:55 <MrMobodies> unless I had sense of direction
32:15 <Nothing\> but at the same time, i've also become really interested in number theory, like the properties of certain numbers or sets of numbers
32:18 <MrMobodies> pratical is what I need
32:42 <Nothing\> exactly, there were so many time in school where they'd explain something to me, and i wouldn't get it so i'd just dismiss it as arbitrary nonsense
32:52 <Nothing\> because the way they teach it, that's about how it comes off
33:17 <Nothing\> they never teach you WHY it works, they just expect you to know THAT it works and be good with that
33:42 <MrMobodies> I walked out of the maths class, studied in a library and most of the class got U's over 20 years ago
33:53 <MrMobodies> despite getting much higher in science
33:57 <Nothing\> and i find that understanding why something works helps me to remember it better as well
34:20 <Nothing\> they got U's?
34:23 <MrMobodies> yes
34:30 <Nothing\> what's that? some weird grade?
34:50 <MrMobodies> "If you walk out this class I guarantee you're going to fail", swore at the teacher and refused to go back.
35:00 <MrMobodies> the teacher was a backup teacher
35:04 <Nothing\> yeah i can relate, i dropped out in grade 9 myself
35:06 <MrMobodies> pretended to know maths
35:22 <Nothing\> yeah looking back, most teachers i had were clueless about the subjects they taught
35:47 <Nothing\> i had to take french for 9 years and after pursuing it as an adult, i found out that pretty much all of the pronunciation i was taught was dead wrong
36:28 <Nothing\> that's not to say it was entirely useless though, it gave me a pretty good foundation to build upon
37:03 <Nothing\> though frankly i've learned more french from reading the french side of bilingual product labels than anything else
37:26 <Nothing\> prechauffer la four a 400
37:35 <Nothing\> lol
37:41 <MrMobodies> that sounds like French
37:45 <Nothing\> (preheat the oven to 400)
38:29 <Nothing\> lol i had a dream in french once, except all i could say was "je ne parle pas francais maintenant" which means "i don't speak french right now"
38:56 <MrMobodies> They seem good at makings cake too...
39:12 <Nothing\> poutine is amazing, you would do well to try it if you ever get the chance
39:21 <Nothing\> or hell, just make it yourself if you can find some cheese curds
39:26 <MrMobodies> when they make chocolate eclairs, they have chocolate in them... not a lousy bit of cream
39:38 <Nothing\> you know, they actually sell poutine at KFC here, with their gravy it's soooo damn good
39:47 <MrMobodies> poutine?
40:00 <Nothing\> yeah, it's french fries covered in gravy and melted cheese curds
40:11 <Nothing\> which for all intents and purposes, is basically just white cheese
40:18 <MrMobodies> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+poutine&t=h_&ia=images&iax=images
40:26 <MrMobodies> looks deliccous
40:26 <Nothing\> maybe a bit more sour than cheese, but in a good way
40:32 <Nothing\> oh it's so good
40:40 <Nothing\> i could really go for one right now come to think of it
40:54 <Nothing\> but i've got 2 bacon and egg mcmuffins i got for breakfast
41:09 <MrMobodies> I like the put the hashbrown over it
41:49 <Nothing\> yeah if you ever find cheese curds, totally make yourself some poutine
41:58 <Nothing\> that's the other great thing, too, it's not hard to make at all
42:33 <rust_collector> it has to be simple, how would the... never mind
42:37 <MrMobodies> I'll try that recipe sometime
42:43 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector
42:51 <Nothing\> i've really been craving indian food lately
42:56 <Nothing\> especially a good biryani
43:28 <Nothing\> i used to get these packets with the ingredients to make the sauce, but i can't find them anywhere now
44:05 <Nothing\> i dunno why it's so damn hard to find stuff for biryani, they've got sauces, mixes and even frozen dinners of all of the other popular indian dishes, but it seems like everybody stopped selling biryani
44:09 <MrMobodies> good on you for making your own Indian food
44:23 <MrMobodies> I don't trust the ones near me when it comes to the fat
44:23 <Ampera> indian food is too much vegetable for me
44:27 <Nothing\> i even used to get these frozen dishes of biryani, like a tv dinner which were pretty good
44:50 <MrMobodies> I like the popadoms with cheese
44:53 <Nothing\> Ampera: it depends where you get it i think, vegetables tend to be cheaper than meat
45:07 <MrMobodies> but then I feel my chest a bit
45:34 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: i've been watching this one channel on youtube, bald and bankrupt, where he goes to different places in india, usually shady places, and every time he eats it reminds me of how great the food is
45:50 <Ampera> Nothing\, yeah but they make me barf
45:55 <Nothing\> speaking of which, rust_collector did you ever check out that other channel i mentioned to you?
46:07 <Nothing\> Ampera: heh i've never had that problem, but i've got a really strong stomach
46:12 <Ampera> my aunt made some chicken marsello, and I spent ages picking the shallots out of it
46:13 <rust_collector> eehm, which one was that?
46:20 <Ampera> my stomach has no problem with them.
46:26 <Nothing\> rust_collector: oh jeez i was trying to remember what it was but i can't recall now
46:27 <Ampera> It's my mouth that does.
46:29 <Nothing\> oh, plainly simple
46:31 <Nothing\> that's it
46:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIC73xZPLgU
46:38 <Nothing\> the documentary channel about history stuff
46:39 <MrMobodies> one of Chernobyl
47:07 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: yeah he visits a lot of places in the ex soviet union, and places in the chernobyl exclusion zone
47:42 <Nothing\> there's also a series where he visits places in india, and a few videos of other places like burma, bolivia and mauritania
47:59 <Nothing\> there's a good one he made recently where he goes to mauritania and hops on a freight car across the sahara
48:17 <MrMobodies> another decent channel to look at
48:30 <Nothing\> meanwhile he's got this young woman who's scantily clad and very flirtatious with him
48:31 <rust_collector> that was not the good part, the good thing was that russian in a santa suit
48:31 <MrMobodies> 3.2 million views
48:39 <Nothing\> all the guys around her drooling over her
48:49 <Nothing\> in a muslim country
48:56 <Nothing\> the guy's just asking to be kidnapped
49:06 <Nothing\> or lynched
49:10 <Ampera> gotta love modern DOCSIS, losing its shit trying to upload a 1MB image.
49:20 <Ampera> yeah we're living in a modern world :P
49:21 <Nothing\> Ampera: what version is docsis up to these days?
49:30 <Nothing\> when i worked tech support, 2.1 was the standard
49:30 <MrMobodies> docsis 1, 2 ,3 ?
49:45 <Nothing\> i think 3 was JUST starting to be rolled out
49:56 <Ampera> download speeds that make FttP look stupid, but upload speeds that SDSL would fucking laugh at.
50:01 <Ampera> DOCSIS 3.1
50:06 <Nothing\> to give you an idea how long ago that was, firewire was still set to replace USB
50:18 <Ampera> no, DOCSIS 4 is out
50:18 <Nothing\> Ampera: ah
50:21 <Ampera> rolling out whenever
50:22 <Nothing\> oh neat
50:24 <Nothing\> right
50:43 <Nothing\> yeah i'm amazed at the speeds that are possible, i'm on cable and i get i think 100mbps down
51:02 <MrMobodies> I was routed all the way to Telford and Wrekin with VM Business and connections dropped out on my end but remained open... my neighbour paid for 200mbps but got 40mbps
51:05 <Nothing\> actually i think it's more, because i remember my network card couldn't utilize the full bandwidth
51:07 <Ampera> apparently DOCSIS 4 supports 10gbps up/down
51:14 <MrMobodies> thats fast
51:16 <Nothing\> i've gotta look up what plan i'm on
51:21 <Ampera> no, MrMobodies, it's not.
51:25 <MrMobodies> oh
51:40 <Ampera> Not when you take into account how dozens of homes can squat on that same link
51:46 <MrMobodies> as yes,
51:46 <Nothing\> i have way more bandwidth than i ever use
51:52 <MrMobodies> sharing between the street and head end
51:52 <Ampera> to the nearest node, or in the worst case, all the way back to the cableco
52:02 <MrMobodies> my dinner is prepared, be back soon
52:07 <Nothing\> i rarely ever even use bit torrent anymore, other than that i just watch youtube videos at 1080p
52:10 <Ampera> I have 940/880 telco FttP at home.
52:25 <Nothing\> my tv is SUPPOSED to be 4k, but for some reason it only ever displays in 1080p
52:29 <Ampera> which is pretty much dedicated. It might squat over a trunk line somewhere, but nowhere near as bad as DOCSIS
52:46 <Ampera> Nothing\, do you have a 4K source?
52:53 <Ampera> and are you using a link that supports 4K?
53:04 <Nothing\> Ampera: well i'm streaming right off of youtube within the app on my tv
53:19 <Ampera> Nothing\, it's probably the app then
53:28 <Nothing\> but when i check the resolution on my tv, it only shows 1080p
53:39 <Nothing\> i fucking hate this tv though
53:47 <Ampera> I hate smart TVs in general\
53:51 <Ysjoelfir> I do to
54:12 <Ysjoelfir> well, i hate TVs, no matter if they are smart or not
54:18 <rust_collector> they are great. makes me able to steal my tv-computer back
54:23 <Nothing\> Ampera: i figured it was because the 4k is a lie cuz i looked at it under a microscope and the pixels are RGB and white, and i remember reading something about how manufacturers put white pixels in their TVs to be able to claim higher resolutions than they really are
54:36 <Ampera> rust_collector, HTPCs are the most entertaining machines to set up.
55:04 <Ampera> Nothing\, so it's 1080p colour, but 4k mono
55:28 <Nothing\> Ampera: this tv has this really annoying thing where it dims the picture automatically, like if it goes from a dark picture to a bright picture, it'll be really dim at first and gradually brighten when it switches to the brighter picture
55:37 <Nothing\> and annoyingly enoguh there's absolutely no way to disable it
55:49 <Nothing\> it's so damn aggrevating, it's very obvious when i'm playing a game
55:56 <Ampera> Nothing\, my nicer PC monitor does that, but I can turn it off
55:57 <Nothing\> i dunno who the hell thought it was a good idea
55:57 <EEVBlog> T3sl4! A friend for you to play with! His name is, Nothing\!
56:17 <Nothing\> T3sl41 friend me good <3
56:26 <Ampera> my bot is like a jack in the box
56:32 <Ampera> you never know when it will blow up
56:42 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir: i do like that this tv has a web browser in it cuz my alternative is using a pi
57:05 <Nothing\> it's especially useful for youtube, cuz youtube is just absolutely unusable on raspbian, the sound stutters so bad
57:25 <Nothing\> but at the same time, the OS on this tv is fucking garbage
57:41 <Ysjoelfir> The comma is wrong ampera :D
57:44 <Nothing\> like, it didn't even support a keyboard until recently
57:55 <Nothing\> you'd have to point and click an onscreen keyboard with the mouse
57:58 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, your face is wrong.
58:08 <Ysjoelfir> thats correct. I always forget to shave
58:09 <Nothing\> or if you didn't have a mouse, you had to use the cursor buttons on the IR remote
58:32 <Nothing\> but the stupid thing is, the onscreen keyboard is constantly trying to pop up even when you have a keyboard connected
59:03 <Nothing\> and the onscreen keyboard responds to the keyboard, so like you try to hit enter and instead of putting a return character in, it'll enter whatever letter is highlighted on the onscreen keyboard
59:21 <MrMobodies> just ate... chicken with the tinned fish and the chilli sauce
59:31 <MrMobodies> the lower sugar one
59:37 <Nothing\> and the dictionary is just a joke
00:00 <Nothing\> they don't have any words with extra suffixes like s, ed, ing what have you
00:06 <Nothing\> or a lot of common words are missing
00:26 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds awfull
00:43 <Nothing\> it'll try to autocorrect the possessive form, like if i say it's john's it'll instead put it its johns
01:04 <Nothing\> because for some reason they didn't include apostrphes in any of the spellings, but still included them for some reason
01:24 <Nothing\> for the record, it's called WebOS
02:56 <Nothing\> the other annoying thing too, it lets you open tabs, but it only lets you have stuff loaded on one tab at a time, so for example, if i open a youtube video and watch a bit, then go into another tab for even just a few seconds, when i come back to the youtube video tab, it'll have to load the page all over again, starts the video from the beginning and makes me sit through the ad again
03:23 <Nothing\> not to mention about a quarter of the time the browser just crashes outright because it's run out of memory
06:23 <MrMobodies> so it unloads the other opened tabs to free up memory
07:05 <MrMobodies> the youtube adverts were getting to me so I pay now
07:19 <MrMobodies> I don't bother with tv channels
07:33 <MrMobodies> like the BBC maybe Sky news but I don't find much interesting
08:05 <MrMobodies> the biggest thing I don't like are channel logos... when they put over films and dramas
08:16 <MrMobodies> don't get much on that on Youtube
09:04 <MrMobodies> I am easily distracted by anything that's why.
13:11 <Nothing\> yeah that's what i figured, it probably has next to no memory
13:22 <Nothing\> me neither though, i haven't watched tv in years
13:43 <Nothing\> actualy i don't even watch tv shows or movies anymore, last movie i watched was dr strangelove maybe 2 years ago or so
14:55 <Nothing\> i watch lots of youtube though, but mostly it's educational stuff, or if not educational it's at least not stupid stuff, i think the most dumbed down thing i watch is the simon whistler channels like top tenz, today i found out, geographics, biographics and business blaze
15:42 <Nothing\> or if it's not heavily educational i might watch lighter stuff like big clive or eevblog of course, stuff like that
16:25 <MrMobodies> a good learning resource
16:28 <Nothing\> but the majority of stuff i watch is mainly educational, i like to try and learn one new thing a day
16:33 <MrMobodies> no mystery at the end of their videos.
16:39 <Nothing\> yeah youtube is a great source for learning
16:51 Nick: T3sl41 is now known as T3sl4
16:58 <Nothing\> the only thing i hate is the ads, you ever see an ad for studypug? fuck i hate those things
17:16 <MrMobodies> I find fixed elements (the large ones) worse
17:22 <Nothing\> it's like "tired of trying to find new math videos? are the videos from 2006 REALLY helping?"
17:40 <Nothing\> like math resources are garbage if they're not made in the last year
18:16 <Nothing\> or since i'm canadian i also get one that's like "are those AMERICAN math videos really helping?" as though americans do different math than we do
18:16 <MrMobodies> I have got an old 1947 maths book
18:21 <MrMobodies> £1 down the bootsale
18:36 <Nothing\> i have an astronomy textbook from, i think 1974, it's really interesting
18:43 <MrMobodies> when I settle down properly I am going to look at it
18:49 <Nothing\> and some of it's still relevant, like i learned aobut paralax from it
19:15 <Nothing\> which is where you view something from a different and and it appears to move against the backdrop
19:26 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax
19:33 <Nothing\> exactly
19:39 <MrMobodies> two things I learnt from you today
19:48 <Nothing\> they use it to find the distance to nearby stars
20:12 <Nothing\> :D i'm glad you're learning stuff from me, i love teaching but don't get many opportunities anymore
21:19 <Nothing\> but yeah, to find the distance to nearby stars, they'd take a picture of it at a certain time, then wait half a year until the earth's on the other side of its orbit around the sun and take another picture of it
21:20 <MrMobodies> that's nice. another asset here
21:53 <MrMobodies> Wouldn't that would be Thunderf00t's line of work
21:57 <Nothing\> then depending on how far away it is, the star will move against the background and they can use that, and some trigonometry to figure out how far it is
22:01 <MrMobodies> with his telescopes
22:09 <Nothing\> i think thunderf00t is more into nuclear physics, isn't he?
22:23 <Nothing\> at least professionally
22:28 <MrMobodies> he did a video debunking that Unistellar
22:35 <Nothing\> ah, i haven't seen that
23:19 <MrMobodies> I didn't know he was fascinated and stored many telescopes untill seeing his collection
23:20 <Nothing\> i can only watch his videos in small bursts, i mean he makes good points, but he tends to be really repetitive
24:26 <MrMobodies> I noticed that
24:44 <Nothing\> it almost feels juvenile at times tbh
24:50 <MrMobodies> especially when he does a follow up video when they respond
24:53 <Nothing\> not that it isn't warranted
25:10 <Nothing\> but he could definitely dial it down a notch or two
25:53 <MrMobodies> he did repeat himself a couple of times in that video
25:58 <MrMobodies> about his telescopes
26:01 <rust_collector> or should he turn it up a lot more?
26:11 <Nothing\> rust_collector: up to 11?
26:12 <MrMobodies> for the opposition?
26:20 <rust_collector> 11.4
26:34 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: oh yeah actually i think i remember seeing a video he did about the transit of venus when that was happening
27:10 <MrMobodies> he repeated himself over and over?
27:32 <Nothing\> i don't know if/how much he repeated himself in it, i just remember the video itself
28:19 <Nothing\> i'd like to see him do more experiment type videos, like when he put his phone in the neutron beam in the particle accellerator where he works
29:21 <MrMobodies> I like the experiments on the metals
29:36 <Nothing\> oh yeah, the alkali metal experiments were cool, too
29:47 <Nothing\> i forgot about those
29:50 <MrMobodies> it was like they were alive
29:58 <Nothing\> or where he made solvated electrons, you see that one?
30:23 <MrMobodies> i HTINK i DID
30:24 <Nothing\> i think that's one of my favorite experiments cuz you're literally making a solution of unbound electrons
30:42 <MrMobodies> oops typos
30:51 <Nothing\> he was dissolving something, i think sodium maybe into ammonia
31:13 <Nothing\> and the electrons came off and went into solution, giving it a deep blue color
31:16 <MrMobodies> I know he did several, where they'd expand
31:23 <Nothing\> and as he dissolved more it gradually turned gold
31:31 <MrMobodies> I think that was the one
32:18 <Nothing\> anyways i've gotta eat these mcmuffins i got
32:32 <Nothing\> it was fun talking though, i'm glad you were able to glean some interesting bits of knowledge from it
32:51 <MrMobodies> thank you very much for sharing your knowledge
33:01 <Nothing\> it's very much my pleasure
33:05 <Nothing\> take care, man
34:12 <rust_collector> motorcycle muffins
41:45 <Ysjoelfir> Motorcycles and muffins? two things I like.
42:44 <rust_collector> you should go to canada, where you can have those for breakfast
47:50 <MrMobodies> they have them in Britian for breakfast too in McDonalds
48:39 <rust_collector> yea, they have them here too, so now I have to stay away from those places, until around noon
17:09 <rust_collector> I am not going to mc donalds unless I need a crappy burger. those breakfast things ruin my experience
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59:10 <MrMobodies> the creepy breakfast burgers milkshakes there, makes me tired and leads to addiction but I am far away from them
59:59 <MrMobodies> as I am trying to cut down on my intake of food
00:12 <rust_collector> I only go there if I am at work, passing one of their places, and I am really hungry.
00:40 <rust_collector> I only buy the basic cheeseburger, because I do not really like anything else they have
01:07 <MrMobodies> they say it is not good but I think it is very bad for those who don't work hard enough to burn the energy and sugar
02:40 <rust_collector> I think you can pretty much do what you like. if you start gaining weight, you have to eat less calories
02:50 <rust_collector> or work more
03:21 <rust_collector> or gain weight, lol
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30:18 <MrMobodies> I guess VC stands for Vancouver.
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34:50 <rust_collector> that could be correct
38:04 <rust_collector> are you going to ban all connections from vancouver now?
38:11 <rust_collector> please please please
38:14 <rust_collector> lol
45:34 <Ysjoelfir> Do it :D could be funny
46:36 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Steam train time! https://t.co/UG3IECPraQ
46:40 <rust_collector> So, I figured I would take a look at python again...
47:27 <rust_collector> it still looks the same, so I went back to watch evil cat videos
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03:30 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, you do programming things, right?
14:23 <AndrevS> The magic smoke escaped. Chinese power supplies, this one came with this USB to IDE adaptor.
14:49 <Ysjoelfir> na, more hardware stuff rust_collector
15:00 <rust_collector> ok, and ok
15:01 <Ysjoelfir> I have learnt basic programming though
15:35 <rust_collector> I know how to make many languages say "hello world" but... why would I want that?
28:48 <MrMobodies> I only know one I tried to learn from
28:51 <MrMobodies> it goes like this
29:04 <MrMobodies> local a$
29:14 <MrMobodies> input a$
29:23 <MrMobodies> print "test",a$
29:50 <MrMobodies> I think it was called OPL
30:29 <MrMobodies> oh and "get" means to wait till a key is pressed.
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47:28 <Ampera> Honestly at this point we should take the fucking webirc off the chat page and replace it with a link to the hexchat downloads page :P
49:09 <rust_collector> that is not a bad idea
50:28 <rust_collector> one other channel I go to has blocked all web things, so you have to use an irc client, or you just get a message saying "you are banned" which is wrong, but
57:54 <Ampera> well it's really only good for short stops, and that's not really what this channel is about anyways
00:10 <Ysjoelfir> whaat? everyone here is only there for 2 minutes!
04:27 <Ysjoelfir> See? 4 minutes later, nearly everyone is gone.
04:37 <rust_collector> Having a list of irc clients would be ok.
04:47 <rust_collector> links to them, I guess
07:13 <rust_collector> hmm, or maybe not. just remove the webthing
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23:21 <Ampera> T3sl4, I'm cooking can you find a way to ban him or something?
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29:29 <T3sl4> Ampera: who? Bánh Phở?
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34:09 <Ampera> that
34:40 <Ampera> I'll talk to Halcyon about modifying the EEVBlog website
35:21 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
35:39 <rust_collector> good night you
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37:08 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
37:16 <Halcyon> WHat's doing?
37:31 <rust_collector> Ampera has made work for you
37:36 <Halcyon> Typical
37:42 <rust_collector> have fun
38:06 <Halcyon> So remove the web client entirely?
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38:23 * steve30000 meows at Halcyon 
38:27 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
38:31 <steve30000> I got to sleep eventually
38:35 <Halcyon> Hooray!
38:49 <rust_collector> he says at 00:40 ish
39:14 <Halcyon> It's chilly here today
39:22 <rust_collector> hmm, I should have a clock somewhere here
39:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, yeah, just have it say, go download an IRC client, here are some common options.
39:48 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
39:55 <Halcyon> Currently about 18 degrees
40:08 <Ampera> I'm currently cooking clam dippers, you going to be around for a while, Halcyon?
40:13 <Halcyon> Yeh Ampera, I agree, very few people actually use the web client for its intended purpose
40:26 <Halcyon> Yeh I just got up. I'll be doing housework today but floating in and out
40:39 <Ampera> k
40:41 <Ampera> back to cooking
41:38 <Halcyon> I'll speak to Dave about the website when he is back from holidays. He'll just reply to work emails from his phone, so I won't disturb him unless it's urgent
43:15 <rust_collector> clam dippers
43:57 <steve30> There's a lot of 'comments' on the webchat page
44:10 <steve30> I wonder if people misunderstood the term 'chat'
44:57 <Halcyon> Where's that Steve?>
45:08 <Ampera> Yeah it should be relabeled to IRC
45:16 <steve30> Lots of Disqus comments: https://www.eevblog.com/chat/
45:32 <Halcyon> Oh my ad blocker blocks that element
45:38 <Halcyon> What's the gist of it?
46:33 <steve30> Just people asking him to make videos and stuff
46:39 <Halcyon> Ah OK
46:53 <rust_collector> I wonder why Ampera is cooking lesbians
47:07 <Halcyon> :P
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56:51 <rust_collector> Some times I wish I could eat sea food
57:43 <Halcyon> You're allergic or you don't like it?
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58:02 <coppice_> I'm allergic to the price
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58:06 <Halcyon> Hah
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58:27 * Ampera slaps Halcyon with a spork
58:34 <rust_collector> it is just a mental thing. same as strawberries and such. I think it is about the texture
58:48 <Halcyon> How odd
59:04 <Halcyon> I don't like Oysters
59:11 <Halcyon> Tried them, didn't like them
59:26 <coppice_> oysters are just western sashimi
00:17 <Ampera> these are chopped canned clams, cream cheese, and ginger put in wonton wrappers and deep fried
00:45 <rust_collector> that does sound nice
27:51 <Ampera> clam dippers are done
27:54 <Ampera> and delicious
28:18 <rust_collector> great
28:32 * Ampera throws one at Halcyon
28:38 <Ampera> I'll make them for you when I come over
29:13 * steve30 prods Halcyon with a forum topic
29:15 <steve30> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/networking/l2tp-and-ipv6-tunnel-shenanigans/
29:15 <EEVBlog> I think the NBN might be able to hold it together long enough for a whole YouTube video!
29:36 <Ampera> EEVBlog is feisty today
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57:54 <Halcyon> :)
59:52 <Halcyon> To be honest Steve, I haven't had a lot to do with IPv6. I did try and implement it here but after a week I gave up. It was too cumbersome and didn't really solve any particular issue or add any extra functionality so I just left it
02:34 <Halcyon> As for what will support this in one box... pfSense
02:54 <Halcyon> Either buy one of their appliances (not cheap) or use an old PC with a few NICs (free)
03:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, my pfSense box is IPv6 ready, and all machines have IPv6 link locals, but my ISP does not provide IPv6
03:37 <Ampera> and I'm too lazy and apathetic to setup a tunnel
03:49 <Halcyon> *nod* pfSense supports it very well
03:59 <Halcyon> It's just completely different to IPv4 and is a pain
04:06 <Ampera> but I really do like IPv6, it's really cool and less of a pain in the ass than IPv4, so I'm excited for when Verizon stops being lazy cunts and turn it on
04:23 <Halcyon> Actually, I find it more of a pain in the ass. Each NIC has 2 IP addresses
04:34 <Ampera> so?
04:38 <Halcyon> Why?
04:52 <Ampera> because one of them is a WAN address and one of them is a LAN address
04:55 <Ampera> which is WAY nicer than NAT
05:04 <Halcyon> Eh
05:19 <Halcyon> It's overly complex when it didn't need to be
05:34 <Ampera> I disagree, I've just today enabled it for my grandfather, and it's pleasurably simple.
05:35 <Halcyon> As I said even if I implemented it now, it won't give me anything I don't currently have
05:38 <Halcyon> So why bother ?
06:05 <Ampera> gives me the abilit to support AAAA records and accept port 80 traffic without a reverse proxy
06:20 <Halcyon> Sure, you have a use-case
06:21 <Halcyon> I don't
06:43 <Ampera> it's a small step in finally killing off IPv4 so it can never harm us again
07:00 <Halcyon> All it does it add to my administrative workload, it's a whole second set of firewall rules I need to worry about
07:20 <Ampera> my firewall is not that complicated, and afaik they work on both IPv4 and IPv6
07:23 <Halcyon> Oh I totally agree with the idea in theory
07:29 <Halcyon> But in practice, meh
07:42 <Ampera> since TCP and UDP both operate the same over IPv6 as they do IPv4
07:46 <Ampera> afaik
07:47 <Halcyon> Yes you can have rules which apply to both v4 and v6 in the same rule
08:02 <Ampera> so then what's the problem
08:15 <Halcyon> I haven't sat down and worked out the pros and cons of doing it that way yet
08:26 <Halcyon> I don't just like to implement things because it LOOKS easy
08:37 <Ampera> what would even be a con?
08:43 <Halcyon> As I said, I don't know
08:45 <rust_collector> Ampera, let the guy keep his ancient tools
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08:49 <Halcyon> I haven't given it thought
08:55 <Ampera> you have the same port ranges and the same dangers of opening ports as you do on IPv4
08:57 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o DogWomble
09:05 <Ampera> hi DogWomble
09:19 <DogWomble> hey amperaa :) hey Halcyon
09:37 <Ampera> all the clam dippers are gone
09:45 <Halcyon> rust_collector: Ancient yes, but it works. And in Australia, most users have public IP addresses and static addresses are very cheap (I pay $5/month for a static IPv4 address)
09:49 <Halcyon> Hey DogWomble
10:30 <Ampera> All 50 clam dippers are gone
10:32 <Ampera> q.q
10:34 <Ampera> but they were good
10:51 <Halcyon> Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why we should adopt IPv6, you'll get no arguments from me. But from where I'm sitting, why fix what's not broke?
10:56 <Ampera> with IPv6 you can have as many damn addresses as you want
10:56 <rust_collector> that australia has "cheap" static addresses should not keep the rest of the world back?
10:58 <Halcyon> When there is a need, then I will.
11:03 <Ampera> how many do they give you, 2^64?
11:13 <Halcyon> I'm not sure what kind of range I have
11:37 <Halcyon> I have a /56 and a /64
11:41 <Ampera> Comcast gives my grandfather a /64 range, which is on an order of magnitude more than the entire IPv4 range
11:45 <Halcyon> Don't quite know why there are two
11:53 <Ampera> my home network has a /8
12:01 <Halcyon> This is on my WAN side
12:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, all IPv6 machines have WAN addresses
12:29 <rust_collector> I wonder what exactly you pay for, when you buy a static address. Do they have to do anything each month?
12:30 <Halcyon> No I mean those are the blocks that my ISP has allocated to me
12:35 <Halcyon> I don't know why I have two ranges
12:57 <Halcyon> rust_collector: What do you mean?
13:10 <Ampera> yes, but since local IP ranges and normal IPv6 ranges perform the same function, I'd have an insanely larger number of addresses
13:17 <rust_collector> why does the static address cost more each month
13:26 <Ampera> rust_collector, I don't know, because they can
13:33 <rust_collector> that is what I thought
13:36 <Ampera> here they demand you get business internet which is depressingly more expensive
13:38 <Halcyon> rust_collector: I guess it's so people who don't really need one, don't order one?
13:42 <Halcyon> It's just a nominal fee
13:52 <Ampera> my 80 bucks a month gets me 940/880 residential, but would only get 75/75 business
14:06 <Ampera> just for a static IPv4, better support, and they unblock port 23
14:21 <rust_collector> I get paying once to have them set it up, but I really do not think they have to do anything when they are done setting it up
14:33 <Halcyon> Ampera: Here there is no such thing as "business vs residential". Well there is but it's basically just the SLA from the provider or when you start talking business grade, it's either Ethernet or Fibre
15:01 <Halcyon> rust_collector: You're correct, it's just a switch in the system, but most users won't pay for an ongoing charge if they aren't using it
15:14 <Ampera> It took me a little bit to wrap my head around IPv6, I'm slow with networking in general, but now that I know how it works, I want it bad.
15:29 <Halcyon> I guess it's also an incentive to turn it off if you no longer need it, rather than just hanging onto it because it's free.
15:40 <Ampera> My IP is a statically dynamic one.
15:46 <Ampera> so it remains there unless I give up the lease.
15:52 <Ampera> which only happens when the power goes off
15:55 <Halcyon> Yeh a lot of providers use "sticky" DHCP
16:06 <rust_collector> I think that is what I get here
16:11 <Halcyon> So either they hold onto the lease for 24 hours (or whatever) or if your MAC address changes
16:12 <Ampera> Comcast, strangely enough, uses DHCP6 to assign ranges.
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16:46 <Halcyon> It's the same on your LAN, if you turn off your machine and turn it back on before the original lease expires, you'll get the same IP address
17:05 <Halcyon> OR, some operating systems (such as Windows) will request the same IP from DHCP and if it's available, the server hands it out
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18:09 <Halcyon> But yes, I will look at IPv6 at some stage again. It's just not a priority as I have no need for it.
18:36 <Ampera> Well I use static assignments when possible, just to make things easier.
18:39 <Halcyon> There was also a bug causing issues with the Cisco routers used by my provider, I think Cisco released some firmware for it, but it broke something else
19:01 <Ampera> also if you're running a network gear company I'd hope you'd know how IPv6 worked :P
19:10 <Halcyon> Ampera: I only use static on core infrastructure. Everything else has "static" addresses assigned by DHCP
19:24 <Halcyon> Then stuff like clients, all get dynamic addresses from the pool
19:32 <Ampera> I don't use true static at all anymore, because some devices don't support it.
19:46 <Halcyon> Ampera: Sure, but as I said, there is very little use-case for it in Australia
19:53 <Halcyon> Most people don't use it, don't know about it or don't care
19:55 <Ampera> also makes setting up Linux clients a biiit of a pain in the ass
20:21 <Halcyon> My company is about providing solutions to problems. If there isn't a problem, we don't do anything
21:05 <rust_collector> hmm, no engineers there then
21:31 <Halcyon> Well... I don't have an engineering degree, but you could call me a network engineer
21:55 <rust_collector> well, a proper engineer would make a problem
21:58 <Halcyon> I personally don't call myself that. I generally say "specialist"
22:03 <Halcyon> Hahah
22:06 <Halcyon> Well yes
22:18 <Ampera> because you're speeeechiaaaal Halcyon
22:35 <Halcyon> As I said, I could spend a week implementing IPv6 here... it will solve nothing and change nothing in practice
22:47 <Halcyon> Yes Ampera, I ride the short bus :P
23:18 <Ampera> you don't ride a short bus, you ride those special cars with the big yellow signs that say "CARRYING SCHOOL CHILDREN"
23:24 <Halcyon> I do however need to power down my router and add another 4 port NIC so I can route traffic on one of my VLANs out via PIA
23:39 <Halcyon> Special cars?
23:49 <Halcyon> Like a minivan?
24:15 <Ampera> No, they're cars here.
24:26 <Ampera> like taxi cabs, but for the /really/ special kiddies.
24:32 <Halcyon> I see
24:48 <Halcyon> I can imagine you licking the windows on said cars Ampera :P
24:53 <steve30> I have 1.2 septillion IPv6 addresses (a /48)
25:13 <steve30> I should be able to add more /48s at the press of a button
25:13 <Halcyon> OK so Ampera, answer me this...
25:26 <Halcyon> Looking at my ISP's portal, they have assigned me these:
25:30 <Halcyon> 2403:5800:7101:4300::/56
25:30 <Halcyon> 2403:5800:7000:143::/64
25:42 <Ampera> that means you have both a /64 and a /56 range.
25:42 <Halcyon> Why two? What is the /56 range?
26:05 <Ampera> they're both sets of IP addresses, and you can have any IP address within those two ranges be whatever you want.
26:19 <Halcyon> OK, but why would I need two blocks? Why not just one?
26:25 <Ampera> idk, ask your ISP
26:31 <Halcyon> Hrrm
26:38 <Ampera> yu can use either or both, doesn't matter.
26:41 <rust_collector> stop ordering things you do not need
26:48 <Ampera> lol
26:49 <Halcyon> rust_collector: The IPv6 ranges are free
26:53 <steve30> There's so many you can probably have spare blocks and just not use them if you don't want them
26:55 <rust_collector> yeah, sure
26:55 <Halcyon> You just have to ask
27:31 <Halcyon> Well not even ask, it's a ticky box in the online portal and system updates
28:16 <Halcyon> But I do need the static IPv4 (which is why I pay for it). I host some stuff from home for myself.
29:26 * Ampera ticks Halcyon's little box
29:40 <Halcyon> That TICKles
29:59 <Halcyon> T3sl4 would be proud of that pun :P
30:30 <T3sl4> a simple one, hardly worth PUNishing you for
30:36 * steve30 meows
30:47 * Halcyon puts the cat in the cattery
31:12 * steve30 claws at Halcyon 
31:23 <Halcyon> Cats belong outside, but not where they can get to animals
31:37 <rust_collector> no, they belong in africa
31:43 <rust_collector> inside
31:58 <Halcyon> http://www.pamperedcatscattery.com.au/
31:59 <Ampera> THEY BELONG IN MY BELLY
32:00 * Ampera eats steve30
32:02 <Halcyon> There you go Steve
32:13 <Halcyon> All the furniture you can scratch
32:40 <MrMobodies> once they're introduced to things that they like like tune and salmon or even roast beef, they become your friend forever..
32:51 <MrMobodies> I had one that use to visit me everyday before I moved
32:58 <Halcyon> I prefer birds
33:02 <MrMobodies> it wasn't satified it begged for more
33:29 <Halcyon> Speaking of birds Ampera, I'll send you a photo of my mates bird I visited the other day
33:31 <MrMobodies> once it discovered whipped cream it ignored the tuna
33:48 <Ampera> neat
34:11 <MrMobodies> you own a pet bird at a zoo or enclosure?
34:20 <rust_collector> My grandpas neighbor used to have a magpie. that was interesting
34:24 <Halcyon> I have a cockatiel
34:53 <Halcyon> My mate has a eclectus parrot. SO fucking cute
34:56 <Ampera> my grandfather likes the bird
35:13 <Halcyon> Don't mind me, I was very drunk in that photo
35:30 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
36:00 <Halcyon> Also, he loves dried pasta
36:29 <Ampera> so cute
37:26 <steve30> hmm, i think i'd rather claw at Halcyon tbh :p
37:36 <Halcyon> :P
39:00 <Halcyon> steve30: This is the drunk photo of me: https://imgur.com/a/rmsHZjn
39:49 <steve30> meow
39:51 <MrMobodies> I like that parrot
39:57 <Halcyon> His name is Alfie
40:06 <MrMobodies> it's coat reminds me of a green carpet
40:20 <Halcyon> I love his colours, he has this touch of really vivid aqua under his wing (you can see a bit at the top)
40:32 <MrMobodies> can it talk?
40:35 <Halcyon> Yep
40:50 <rust_collector> that thing looks like a toy
41:05 <Halcyon> Haha
41:11 <Ampera> rust_collector, more tool than toy
41:19 <Ampera> er, just dawned on me you were talking about the bird
41:21 <MrMobodies> if that is you now the parrot seems to be watching
41:22 <Ampera> nvm
41:25 <steve30> This guy is cuddly: https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/35693948005/in/dateposted-public/
41:28 <Halcyon> Shutup Ampera :P
41:49 <Halcyon> But it's a cat?
42:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, don't get upset that it's cuter than you are.
42:08 <Ampera> Jealousy is a vice.
42:41 <Halcyon> Pfft, I'm not at all
42:52 <Halcyon> It's not even a competition, clearly I'm superior to a cat
42:54 <MrMobodies> I remembered a cat once, it chased the birds, but the magpies teased it as it climbed up the tree for them
43:08 <Ampera> Halcyon, idk, the cat might be capable of using IPv6
43:43 <Halcyon> Yeh but they don't appreciate the Ethernet cable being plugged in
43:59 <Halcyon> I love Magpies
44:10 <Halcyon> Hm it's raining again
44:36 <steve30> Halcyon, can your birds so this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
44:49 <Halcyon> Hahaha
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45:03 <Halcyon> It's more of a one-way system if I had to guess
45:11 <Halcyon> I don't think you get a return acknowledgement
45:21 <Halcyon> Basically UDP
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47:15 <Ampera> reminds me I need to setup a HTCPCP server at some point.
47:30 <steve30> ooh
48:25 <Ampera> the issue is I don't drink tea nor coffee
48:38 <Ampera> maybe they should have an extension for hot cocoa
48:39 <Halcyon> Mmm coffee
48:45 <Halcyon> Hah
48:47 <MrMobodies> I didn't lile it at first but I got addicted...
48:57 <MrMobodies> I was encouraged and I fell for it
49:04 <MrMobodies> not good habit
49:13 <Halcyon> I only have 1-2 coffees a day
49:17 <Ampera> MrMobodies, HTCPCP is a vice if ever there was one
49:20 <Halcyon> It's just to jolt me into life in the morning
49:36 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol
49:47 <Ampera> yes thank you MrMobodies
49:55 <Ampera> but I'm sure we all knew what it was, most of us use it on a daily basis
49:56 <MrMobodies> jost you into life?
50:02 <MrMobodies> I'll get a taser
50:07 <Halcyon> I'm not a morning person :P
50:08 <Ampera> he has one
50:09 <MrMobodies> that'll wake you up
50:10 <MrMobodies> oh
50:26 <rust_collector> I think he also lives in a 240v country, he should be able to get up
50:46 <Halcyon> 230v nominal now. They change it some years back
51:04 <rust_collector> ok, so use the tazer then
51:09 <Halcyon> I have one at work
51:15 <rust_collector> take it home
51:21 <Halcyon> Nah it hurts :P
51:46 <rust_collector> make sure you get good contact, to avoid burns
52:07 <MrMobodies> someone once said to me
52:18 <MrMobodies> if I tape on a certain type of capacitor to a 9v battery
52:22 <MrMobodies> and throw it at someone
52:27 <MrMobodies> it is suppose to give them a shock
52:45 <Halcyon> OK... ?
53:09 <MrMobodies> they wouldn't tell me what type of capacitor but it is suppose to discharge on impact
53:12 * Ampera tweaks Halcyon's nipples
53:14 <rust_collector> I would be... ok, maybe not shocked, if someone threw a battery at me
53:26 <MrMobodies> not sure if that is true about the shock from discharge
53:31 <Ampera> MrMobodies, it's called a cartridge, and it's not a capacitor, it's ammunition.
53:53 <MrMobodies> I see
53:59 <Halcyon> At school, kids used to pull the piezo igniters out of gas heaters and go around shocking other kids with them.
54:11 <rust_collector> hehe, yes
54:25 <rust_collector> and anything else we could try them on
54:26 <steve30> I think I'll get some coffee
54:42 <MrMobodies> I like that
55:02 <MrMobodies> I remembered they had to glue the mouse lids sit
55:03 <rust_collector> I want to visit steve now
55:08 <MrMobodies> they used the mouse balls as weapons
55:11 <Halcyon> Hahaha
55:21 <Halcyon> Yeh those balls had some weight to them
55:22 <MrMobodies> and they'd penalise you
55:30 <MrMobodies> if they catch you bringinin a screwdriver
56:02 <steve30> Our IT technicians glued the mouse ball covers on, to stop people nicking them. Only trouble then was, they'd get caked in dirt.
56:38 <MrMobodies> makes it difficult in opening them
56:46 <MrMobodies> and so many in classrooms
56:54 <rust_collector> when I was in school, we used to have these little mini-cubicle sort of places, to learn welding. so we used to heat up a small piece of metal, and throw it over the wall, lol
57:08 <Halcyon> Hahah
57:23 <MrMobodies> it melted someones shoe?
57:24 <rust_collector> aaah, good times
57:27 <Halcyon> I shouldn't laugh, that's dangerous
57:35 <rust_collector> it melted whatever it landed on
57:52 <rust_collector> yeah, it was pretty bad, but still fun
58:02 <Halcyon> I was generally a good kid in school
58:20 <Halcyon> Except when I got suspended for breaking into a science staff computer and stealing a test a week before
58:29 <Halcyon> It was at that point I knew school was boring
58:40 <MrMobodies> oh
59:04 <steve30> naughty
59:09 <Halcyon> Meh :)
59:09 <MrMobodies> you read the test and it became boring...
59:38 <Halcyon> It was more of an opportunistic thing to see if I could. I was actually very good at Chemistry, always got 90+ in my exams
00:15 <rust_collector> we never had chemistry, I think
00:27 <Halcyon> I did Chem and Physics in high school
00:38 <Halcyon> As well as Electronics and wood working
00:41 <Halcyon> Those I enjoyed
00:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, did I tell you what my final grades were for the semester?
00:59 <Halcyon> A for Aspergers?
01:01 <Halcyon> :P
01:08 <Ampera> I got the highest possible in all classes
01:10 <Ampera> A
01:13 <Halcyon> So yes
01:29 <steve30> I once got a good grade in a Chemistry phase test. The teacher described it as 'a minor miracle'
01:49 <Ampera> lol
01:58 <Halcyon> Heh, you weren't good at school Steve?
02:17 <steve30> Some subjects I was good at, other i was crap at
02:30 <Halcyon> I sucked at Technical drawing
02:32 <Halcyon> And art
02:35 <Halcyon> Anything creative like that
02:45 <steve30> I was generally good at science, but didn't do too well on the tests.
02:49 <Halcyon> Oh and sport, because it was completely pointless and I hated it
02:52 <rust_collector> creative, like technical drawing, lol
02:59 <steve30> Opposite with ICT, I did well on the test but crap on the coursework.
03:24 <steve30> I didn't even attend PE in my final two years of school :p
03:42 <Halcyon> I always got out of it. I managed the schools network and the head teacher was on my side :P
04:01 <MrMobodies> nice when you make friends with the school
04:07 <steve30> I just stopped going in year 10. No one noticed till the end of year 10 :).
04:21 <Halcyon> The bitch PE teacher threatened to fail me because I didn't give a shit
04:22 <rust_collector> what is the word for... some class you take, that you can choose yourself
04:34 <Halcyon> That never happened, I just got some mediocre mark
04:39 <steve30> I think they were more pissed off with themselves for not noticing :D
04:40 <rust_collector> like, french, or woodworking
04:44 <Halcyon> rust_collector: Electives
04:47 <rust_collector> ah
05:34 <Halcyon> Electronics was fun
05:42 <Halcyon> Computing was meh, I knew more than the teacher
06:03 <MrMobodies> where I came from they didn't seem to know much
06:05 <Ampera> going to start cooking burgers
06:14 <MrMobodies> I learnt a lot more going down skips and bringing broken things home
06:20 <Ampera> I'll be in and out maybe
06:20 <Halcyon> Didn't you just eat Ampera?
06:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, those were the appeteizer
06:27 <rust_collector> I had metalworking one year, boat..."drivers license" one year, and table tennis one year
06:30 <MrMobodies> Amperas as a food?
06:42 <Ampera> oh I wish someone would eat me
06:43 <MrMobodies> oh oops misread
06:44 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: I agree. I left school in early year 11. Never finished high school.
06:44 <Ampera> I'd love that
07:02 <MrMobodies> 1 Ampera for a pound *marketplace*
07:11 <Halcyon> But I had a job at an ISP to go to so I was working straight away
07:46 <MrMobodies> Next time I eat an Apple that'll remind me of Ampera.
07:51 <Halcyon> I think I learnt and remember more from my first job than I ever did in school
09:20 <MrMobodies> It's nice when school and work are on the same page.
09:53 <rust_collector> if you were on that same page as well, it would be great
10:20 <Halcyon> Anyway I need to go unload the dishwasher, back soon
11:03 <rust_collector> I like the idea of having 2 dishwashers, and no cupboards to put the dishes in
11:45 <steve30> I enjoyed electronics
11:46 <MrMobodies> I just wash my plate up individually... no waiting, I find it easier with few things.
11:49 <Ampera> Burgers are on da grill
11:54 <Ampera> this is a brand new grill, so I'm the first to use it
11:59 <steve30> IT was tedious though. Don't know why I bothered choosing that
12:31 <rust_collector> we had typewriting classes. we never got computers.
12:31 <MrMobodies> At school I didn't have much of a choice... they stopped teaching electronics and I am learning from Dave Jones
12:44 <MrMobodies> videos and it lovelly
13:06 <Ampera> MrMobodies, where do you live, anyways.
13:12 <MrMobodies> England
13:13 <T3sl4> Ampera, sexy grills
14:56 <Ampera> alright
14:57 <steve30> I should post up some ICT coursework some time for people to laugh at
15:06 <Ampera> T3sl4, I wish I was a sexy grill q.q
15:19 <MrMobodies> I remembered one from a college, I warned the students not to go...
15:30 <MrMobodies> in the first week or so they took their work to me
15:34 * T3sl4 feels up Ampera's hot grillness
15:42 <MrMobodies> it is a helpdesk question about modems and they never seen one before
15:55 <Ampera> uwu T3sl4
15:57 <Ampera> uqu
15:59 <Ampera> *uwu
16:01 <MrMobodies> I showed them a couple and all it was... check the RJ11 jacks
16:15 <Ampera> sorta excited to get back home so I can have my real keyboard back
16:16 <MrMobodies> sometimes you can put the line in the wrong one
16:53 <MrMobodies> I still got some old keyboards. I think it is a cherry acorn and very easy to take apart and clean
17:06 <MrMobodies> they have the large 5 pin din jacks
20:01 <MrMobodies> I just remembered when I unpacked some weeks ago
20:21 <MrMobodies> Microsoft mouse and I found the 8bit inport isa card
20:32 <Halcyon> Back
20:58 <Halcyon> Ahh nice MrMobodies, from memory those mouse interfaces were proprietary, not PS/2 ?
21:21 <MrMobodies> I got it for £1 down the bootsale in 2001 I think
21:29 <Halcyon> Amazing
21:56 <MrMobodies> An Intergraph 4000 series 3D card, pci for vga and some other daughterboard on the agp
22:20 <MrMobodies> and a box full of ide controllers
22:49 <MrMobodies> some 3COM ethernet and coax network cards, la belled Parallel tasking
23:07 <Halcyon> I need to work out some kind of way to organise all my IO cards. Currently they are sitting in boxes on shelves but it's an awful waste of space
23:25 <Halcyon> Ah yeh I have a bunch of those 3COM EtherLink cards
23:29 <MrMobodies> I put some in the attic
23:51 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/pTjIuu7.jpg
24:03 <Halcyon> I'm thinking maybe some kind of block (wood maybe) with a groove that I can just place the cards into on a shelf
24:13 <Halcyon> :P
24:26 <MrMobodies> that's an idea, it'll look nice with pine
24:55 <MrMobodies> I have some really old video cards too
24:58 <MrMobodies> the very long ones
25:00 <Halcyon> I really want this: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SONY-RMO-S594-MO-Disk-Unit/132729825134?hash=item1ee750676e:g:dJQAAOSwB8FbZMGz
25:10 <MrMobodies> A hercules one 1988 on it
25:10 <Halcyon> I have about 70 brand new blank discs to go with it
25:26 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: If you're ever looking to get rid of any of this, let me know :P
26:45 <MrMobodies> there is a I can't remember the name fully
27:00 <MrMobodies> V?seng 4000 graphics card isa
27:05 <Halcyon> Tseng
27:09 <MrMobodies> thats it
27:16 <Halcyon> Really common ISA cards back in the day
27:27 <Halcyon> I think our first PC had a TSENG Labs 4000 in it
27:35 <Halcyon> 512K VRAM if I remember correctly?
27:37 <MrMobodies> a Number 9 2? with an IBM pallete dac on it
27:47 <MrMobodies> I'll bring them down one day
28:12 <MrMobodies> I think the resistor smoked on it
28:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.cbo-do.de/Graphic-cards/PCI/Number-Nine-PC00FPL0-2-PC00FPL0-2-4MB-Grafikkarte-IMAGINE-128-II-PCI-VGA-15-pol::62325.html
29:00 <MrMobodies> It was one of the yellows ones underneath.
29:19 <Halcyon> Easy enough to replace
29:24 <Halcyon> But those cards are a dime a dozen
29:51 <MrMobodies> oh
30:08 <MrMobodies> I have lots of raid controllers somewhere
30:35 <Halcyon> I think the favourite thing in my collection are my two 3DFX Voodoo II cards
30:36 <MrMobodies> A couple of my favourite Megaraid Enterprise 1600 the ones with the battery and the backup batteyr memory that was sometimes troublesome
30:44 <Halcyon> One of them I bought for $300 when I was a kid
30:59 <MrMobodies> I got some somewhere but never bother to put in in SLI
31:27 <MrMobodies> I have a Voodoo 3 2000 and a 3000, a couple of Nvidia GeForce 256's
31:47 <MrMobodies> a Nec Powervr aceelerator (no vga out)
32:07 <MrMobodies> Many agp4x and 8x Geforce stuff
32:23 <MrMobodies> lots of sound cards pci and isa
32:26 <rust_collector> hmm, powervr makes me think unhappy thoughts, for some reason
32:51 <MrMobodies> it let you down?
33:18 <MrMobodies> well it is was only 2mb
33:18 <rust_collector> mmm, not sure why. I have to figure out what it was
33:42 <MrMobodies> I have the KVM switch up there
34:11 <MrMobodies> I am hoping by next week when I finish it'll playtime
34:31 <MrMobodies> only one person per kvm
34:39 <rust_collector> I wonder if powervr made the graphics stuff on the dual core intel atom thingies
34:40 <MrMobodies> but I plug the gear in
34:59 <MrMobodies> starting from the Intel video they had in 1998
35:16 <Ampera> borgar done
35:21 * Ampera gives Halcyon a bacon cheddar borgar
35:28 <Halcyon> Yum
35:30 <Halcyon> Pics
35:35 <Halcyon> I want to see your meat
35:39 <Ampera> don't have my phone with me
35:43 <Halcyon> Dammit
35:49 <DHess_US> I have a 3dfx Monster card.
36:02 <DHess_US> The one with VGA passthrough because it did not support 2D.
36:32 <DHess_US> Oh, and some weird Oxygen 3D card which I never used.
36:38 <Ampera> DHess_US, that's the Diamond Monster 3D
36:42 <Ampera> 3dfx never made a Monster card.
36:47 <DHess_US> Oh, Diamond then.
36:56 <Ampera> I know because I have the same one
36:59 <MrMobodies> I think it Qquantum3d?
37:06 <MrMobodies> they put 8 on it
37:24 <MrMobodies> oh misread
37:51 <DHess_US> The Oxygen card came with a dual Xeon 900MHz server which was given to me. I never used it because drivers were questionable even on XP for it.
38:11 <MrMobodies> like with Wintv and their drivers back then
38:36 <DHess_US> These guys, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Dlabs
39:53 <DHess_US> Dug out one of my Matrox G400s the other day to stick in my Pentium4 workstation to get it running again.
40:00 <MrMobodies> Intense3D Wildcat 4000
40:03 <Nothing\> aha cool i figured out how to use my phone as a function generator
40:10 <MrMobodies> ooh I got aa couple of Matrox someowhere
40:28 <MrMobodies> nice picture quality on one of them
40:46 <MrMobodies> One of them I got down the bootsale, it has a memory on a daughterboard
41:00 <MrMobodies> the other has a fan on it
41:00 <Nothing\> i got this function generator app then took an audio jack cable, cut the ends off of it and stripped it, then used alligator clips to connect it onto the RCA jack of a speaker so i could still hear the output, and connected my scope to the bare wires on the audio cable
41:09 <DHess_US> My other AGP cards are either 3.3 volt only for up to Pentium 3 systems or draw way too much power to use for text.
41:16 <Nothing\> it's not too shabby, i can get almost 1vpp out of it
41:42 <DHess_US> I have quite a few PCI gaphics cards but want to reserve the PCI slots for disk controllers.
41:54 <Nothing\> though i'm gonna throw together an amplifier and see if that works without distorting it too badly, i figure a non/inverting amplifier should work fine
42:02 <MrMobodies> Some of my gigabyte boards have a jumper for that
42:10 <MrMobodies> to bypass he onboard regulator
42:26 <Nothing\> only shitty thing, i went to make some lissajous patterns and my scope's XY mode SUCKS BALLS
42:47 <DHess_US> That is a common problem with digital storage oscilloscopes.
42:49 <Nothing\> it's sooo slow to refresh the image and draws with so few dots you can barely tell what it is
42:56 <Nothing\> DHess_US: that's the sense i got
43:04 <DHess_US> They don't have to have a terrible XY mode but they usually do.
43:21 <Nothing\> how is it with mixed scopes? any better?
43:30 <DHess_US> Mixed?
43:37 <MrMobodies> I have a scope called a Solartron
43:39 <Nothing\> yeah, mixed analog/digital
44:02 <Nothing\> i'm not sure how they work, i just know they're a thing
44:03 <MrMobodies> It was given to me by a customer
44:08 <DHess_US> If you mean like a Tektronix 2232, then XY mode can be either analog or digital and the digital is not too bad.
44:34 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah, is XY usually better on higher end DSOs? or is it just always gonna be crap because of how they work?
44:45 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: lucky, i had to scrimp and save to get my scope
45:24 <Nothing\> i got a hantek dso5202p, which is a 200mhz scope, cost me $600, but i find out later they make an identical 100mhz scope for half the price that you could just as uneasily unlock the 200mhz mode in
45:28 <Nothing\> but oh well
45:49 <Nothing\> it beats the crappy jyetech scope i had before, you know those little hand held DIY kits
45:59 <DHess_US> Some are what I would consider barely acceptable.
46:02 <rust_collector> I miss my little dso138
46:04 <Nothing\> it couldn't even capture events shorter than 100us
46:13 <Nothing\> rust_collector: yeah that's the one
46:23 <Nothing\> i mean, they're great for the price, don't get me wrong
46:31 <Nothing\> you can't argue with a scope for $15
46:49 <rust_collector> they are also great for testing sensors and such, in weird places
47:01 <Nothing\> but the limitations were far too glaring if you wanna do something other than get a feel for a low frequency waveform or check the duty cycle on a PWM
47:17 <rust_collector> I am thinking about buying one of the "dso shell" things, just for that
47:29 <Nothing\> i was constantly afraid i was gonna put mine down on a stray piece of metal or jumper and short something out
47:44 <Nothing\> yeah i was never comfortable just having the bare board sitting out
47:46 <rust_collector> duct tape would fix that
47:57 <Nothing\> i say as i use a bare pi that's just sitting on my table
48:03 <rust_collector> but i had the plastic case
48:12 <Nothing\> in fairness, i did get a case for my pi, but it ran way too hot in it
49:16 <Nothing\> this is awesome now that i figured out using a phone as a function generator, i've been trying for ages to work out how to make a sine wave generator or just buying a low end function generator so i can play with filters and such
49:51 <Nothing\> i'd always try to make a phase shift oscillator but i could never get them to work, i think it was parasitics in my breadboard set up that were getting in the way of it or something
50:13 <rust_collector> I tried with a tablet, but it did not disconnect the speaker, so it got pretty annoying very quickly, lol
50:32 <Nothing\> or my other choice was to make a barebones function generator with one of those XR2206 ICs
50:48 <Nothing\> haha yeah my mom yelled at me about the noise
51:07 <Nothing\> the thing is, the audio jack output on the phone won't work unless there's actually a load on it
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51:28 <Nothing\> otherwise i could have just hooked up an audio cable with the ends stripped and put my scope right on that
51:28 <rust_collector> this will be interesting
51:43 <MrMobodies> he died of cancerhttps://i.imgur.com/dK93gYS.jpg
51:46 <MrMobodies> oops
51:47 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/dK93gYS.jpg
52:11 <Nothing\> i considered putting a sorta dummy load on like a 10 or 100ohm resistor, but i wondered if the lack of inductance would have affected the signal
52:26 <Nothing\> aww poor guy
52:29 <Nothing\> that's a nice looking scope
52:39 <Nothing\> i'd love to get an analog scope, just for the XY mode alone
52:45 Quit: JoePublic ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
52:47 <MrMobodies> that one takes long to display
52:51 <MrMobodies> it has a dot
52:55 <Nothing\> i'd even love to get a derelict one just so i can tear it down for the CRT
53:03 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to play with an electrostatic CRT
53:07 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/AoJgjcc.jpg
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53:13 <rust_collector> you can have mine, if you come and pick it up
53:29 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/JLCNyuI.jpg
53:37 <Nothing\> i actually have a TV sitting in my hall way that i tore down, but i haven't gotten around to taking anything out of it yet, it's so dirty
53:38 <MrMobodies> it is so heavy
53:47 <Nothing\> it's pooched though, there's a huge crack through the board
54:07 <Nothing\> heh i saw a scope on reddit the other day that came with its own cart with rollers on it cuz it was so heavy
54:16 <Nothing\> apparently that was a common thing
54:43 <rust_collector> even my small one is fairly heavy
55:00 <rust_collector> feels like it is full of transformer
55:02 <Nothing\> if i were more comfortable with high voltage, i'd look into turning the CRT from this TV into an oscilloscope
55:06 <Nothing\> apparently it can be done
55:14 <rust_collector> sort of, yes
55:15 <Nothing\> i think julian ilett made a video on it
55:25 <rust_collector> plenty of videos about that
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55:40 <Nothing\> but you wouldn't get the grid lines or anything so i dunno how useful that'd be other than for exploring the science
55:59 <rust_collector> Ampera, your banning doesn't work very well
56:02 <HarryWindsor> greetings joepublic
56:08 Mode: (by Ampera) +b *[email protected]
56:10 Kick: JoePublic was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
56:21 <Ampera> too lazy to go and do it proper
56:24 <Nothing\> yeah, you gotta set a ban on *!@*
56:28 <Nothing\> that way he'll never come back
56:42 <Ampera> yeah but I'm using weechat which is the clunkiest peice of shit ever for doing that
56:58 <HarryWindsor> Greetings fellow peasants.
57:03 <Ampera> hullo
57:04 <Halcyon> Hey HarryWindsor
57:09 <Nothing\> salutations
57:14 <rust_collector> hola
57:48 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
57:51 <HarryWindsor> Where does one get employment around here?
57:59 <Nothing\> i don't believe they do
58:04 * Ampera throws a mop at HarryWindsor, CLEAN THE HEAD
58:06 <Ampera> NOW
58:35 <Nothing\> isn't prince harry's last name sussex?
58:46 <Ampera> lol sex
58:51 <steve30> employment? That eats into valuable coffee drinking time.
59:00 <Nothing\> lol Ampera there's a county here called middlesex
59:17 <Nothing\> a lot of our counties and cities/towns are named after places in england
59:20 <rust_collector> I get 90% of my coffee at work. you just have to get the right employer
59:35 <Nothing\> sussex, middlesex, london, windsor, york uhh
59:43 <Nothing\> i know there are tons more but i can't think of em
59:44 <Ampera> rust_collector, from what I've heard, work coffee has a 50/50 chance of being poisonous black sludge
59:48 <Nothing\> waterloo
59:51 <Halcyon> Looks like the Royal family is finally falling apart. I don't see the whole point to be honest.
59:53 <Nothing\> i used to live in waterloo
59:54 <Ampera> hah, loo
00:00 <rust_collector> Ampera, it is free, who cares?
00:05 <Nothing\> Halcyon: they do bring in a fair bit of money for tourism
00:06 <MrMobodies> and there is Essex
00:07 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4r_a5adehs
00:14 <Ampera> rust_collector, my turds are free, would you like a bite?
00:15 <Halcyon> Nothing\: Can you just put on fireworks?
00:16 <Halcyon> :P
00:16 <Nothing\> oh yeah we have an essex county too, that's right
00:48 <Ampera> if you keep talking about sex, the eevbot might come knocking
00:59 <Nothing\> he's so sexy, i hope we could have sex
01:38 * Ampera sexes up Halcyon
02:16 <HarryWindsor> Duke of Sussex is one of my titles.
02:33 * Halcyon is sexed
02:41 <Nothing\> apparently they're considering moving here to canada
02:43 <Ampera> hah, tit
02:45 <Nothing\> harry and meghan
02:47 <Halcyon> I thought you said "titties" for a second there :P
02:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, I KNEW YOU WERE BI/STRAIGHT
03:01 <Nothing\> though i think they're looking at vancouver
03:06 <Ampera> CAUGHT RED FUCKING HANDED MATE
03:06 <Halcyon> How dare you!
03:14 * Halcyon throws Greta Thunberg at Ampera
03:30 <Nothing\> i forget which one it was, whether it was meghan markel or kate middleton, but somebody i knew growing up actually dated one of them briefly
03:33 <Ampera> Oh you're a MYSOGYNIST TOO.
03:33 <Nothing\> it was really weird
03:38 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure it was kate middleton
03:55 <HarryWindsor> During my military career, I was referred to as "That Ginger B@stard"
03:59 <Nothing\> there was a brief mention of it on one of my mom's magazines
04:13 <Halcyon> Markel just seems like mutton dressed as lamb to me. She is a bit of a bogan pretending to be someone she isn't.
04:17 <steve30> Greta Thunberg does seem to be in the news a lot. Not quite sure why tbh.
04:25 <Nothing\> i like prince harry, he seems pretty down to earth for a royal
04:36 <Halcyon> steve30: No idea either. She is just a puppet for the Climate Activists
04:37 <Nothing\> especially in terms of his views and experiences with mental illness and loss
04:44 <Halcyon> She has basically no authority on the matter
04:47 <Ampera> steve30, remember the won't someone think of the children lady from the Simpsons?
04:48 <Ampera> that's why
05:09 <Nothing\> yeah i don't think very highly of greta thunberg
05:14 <Nothing\> i mean what the hell has she even done
05:16 <rust_collector> I just remember the cat lady, and otto the bus driver
05:22 <Nothing\> she's gone around telling people what to do, that's it
05:30 <Nothing\> and probably at the behest of people more powerful than her
05:56 <Nothing\> Ampera: that's lovejoy's wife
06:08 <Nothing\> won't somebody PLEASE think of the chrilden
06:18 <Nothing\> how is babby formed
06:22 <Nothing\> how is babby formed
06:28 <Nothing\> how girl get pragnent?
06:46 <Nothing\> ah man that was gold, you can't make that stuff up
06:57 <Halcyon> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/36/25/1e/36251e36da389cd0f9aea0acfa1c97d7.jpg
07:22 <steve30> Halcyon, I updated my bus complaint page: http://stevecoates.net/customer_service/bus_complaint/
07:30 <Halcyon> Nothing\: She has literally done nothing apart from make a song and dance and recite what others have told her to say.
07:36 <Nothing\> Halcyon: wow she looks really... i dunno i don't have the words
07:41 <Halcyon> When she gets pressured without any notes, she has no idea
07:45 <Nothing\> her skull is weirdly shaped
07:57 <Nothing\> is like coconut
08:00 <rust_collector> looks a bit presidential
08:13 <MrMobodies> aahh
08:25 <MrMobodies> are they still using those Dennis Darts?
08:29 <MrMobodies> from 2000 and so
08:30 <steve30> I say good on her for standing up for her principles etc, but she keeps getting mentioned in the news and I haven't really been following why.
08:46 <Nothing\> steve30: yeah that's basically my thoughts on it
08:55 <Halcyon> The problem is, they aren't HER priniciples... well come of them are, but I don't think she even knows enough to explain why
09:02 <steve30> Don't think we have any Dennis Darts around here, or if there are, not many
09:13 <Halcyon> The only reason she is getting airtime is because she's a little girl with connected parents.
09:31 <MrMobodies> I had one for 14 years they were rattle and horrible
09:33 <HarryWindsor> My uncle Andy thinks Greta is cute.
09:36 <MrMobodies> then Stagecoach took over
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09:52 <Halcyon> Greta just needs a smack
09:55 <steve30> do you drive buses?
10:01 <Halcyon> Perhaps go do some tertiary education
10:05 <MrMobodies> no just a passenger
10:20 <MrMobodies> I was at school in Derby when they first came out
10:26 <MrMobodies> came back home and they followed me
10:33 <Nothing\> Ampera: oh i totally saw an example the other day of what you meant by those toxic trans people who get offended by any little thing
10:55 <Halcyon> Nothing\, do tell
11:00 <MrMobodies> well they went to Essex in 2004
11:05 <rust_collector> I thought dennis only made fire engines and garbage trucks now
11:12 <MrMobodies> and I thought they'd be gone by 2008
11:19 <steve30> Having said that, there may be one or two lurking around
11:25 <Halcyon> We have Dennis garbage trucks here. They look very odd
11:32 <MrMobodies> but it was in late 2018 they were breaking down too much
11:50 <Nothing\> i watched a bald and bankrupt video where he seeks out an indian transexual to talk to, he was pretty respectful about the whole thing, but the way he presented the video made it sound vaguely like a nature documentary like at one point he goes "but then a police man told me to stop filming and she got spooked and ran back under her bridge"
11:56 <steve30> The Volvo B10M was our long-lasting bus around here
11:59 <Nothing\> and somebody in the comments just quoted the line
12:15 <Ampera> Nothing\ lol
12:19 <Nothing\> and this transexual came on in the replies and completely tore the guy apart just for quoting the video
12:28 <Nothing\> practically threatening him
12:29 <Halcyon> Most of our busses are Volvo or MAN
12:44 <Ampera> those are part of the reason why I have suicidal thoughts all the time
12:57 <Halcyon> Yes but Ampera, you could just not be a cunt?
13:02 <Halcyon> You can be trans and not be an asshole
13:07 <rust_collector> no no
13:08 <coppice_> In China MAN has a JV that makes buses, called Young MAN
13:10 <Nothing\> and she wasn't the only one, there were so many other comments where they were so offended by the video, even though he was completely respectful, though perhaps a bit goofy about it, but not in a demeaning way at all
13:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, the issue is that people like that make other people think I'm just gonna end up being a cunt
13:22 <Ampera> but a cunt they can't do anything about
13:30 <Ampera> it scares the shit out of people and makes people unimaginable uncomfortable
13:37 <Halcyon> Yeh well that's their failing
13:39 <Nothing\> Ampera: apparently transexuals are very well respected in india, it's interesting, i didn't realize that
13:51 <Halcyon> It's like people who expect all gay guys to flounce around and wear glitter
14:02 <Ampera> Nothing\, India is a big place.
14:07 <rust_collector> I think you can find areas of almost anything in india. is is a fairly large place
14:09 <Nothing\> well, south india
14:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, like you?
14:17 <Nothing\> mumbai, delhi, those places
14:21 <Halcyon> I fucking hate glitter
14:21 <HarryWindsor> Young man, there's no need to feel down
14:24 <steve30> I'm sure halcyon would wear glitter given the chance
14:26 <Halcyon> It is banned from my house
14:34 <steve30> hehe
14:35 <coppice_> Nothing\: Delhi is in the north
14:37 <HarryWindsor> I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
14:39 <Nothing\> i'm sure northern india with more muslims wouldn't be as accepting of transexuals
14:44 <Nothing\> coppice_: oh, my bad
14:49 <Halcyon> Admittedly when I was growing up and went out, I did have hair glitter that smelled nice
15:04 <Nothing\> obviously i don't know my indian geography too well
15:06 <Halcyon> HarryWindsor: Good song :)
15:13 <Nothing\> dude, i HATE glitter
15:21 <Nothing\> it gets everywhere and takes years to go away
15:29 <Ampera> coppice_, I was about to say
15:46 <Nothing\> i've often fantasized about buying several metric tons of glitter and dumping it on the downtown center here
15:59 <Halcyon> Also a good song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkhIjG0DKc
16:02 <rust_collector> dump it out of a plane
16:06 <Halcyon> This always cracks me up
16:15 <HarryWindsor> I know where we could borrow a helicopter.
16:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector: lol yup, like pesticide
16:25 <Ampera> HarryWindsor, that's for communists, not homosexuals.
16:29 <Nothing\> i could fly a plane
16:39 <Nothing\> i played microsoft flight simulator, so i totalyl know how to fly a plane
16:52 <Nothing\> as long as the realism settings are turned down
17:00 <Ampera> and crash conditions are off
17:17 <Nothing\> lol i actually didn't crash accidentally too often
17:21 <Nothing\> just when trying to land
17:34 <steve30> I think I'll put some clean sheets on again for tonight
17:36 <Nothing\> tbh i always found flight simulator to be a bit boring
17:43 <HarryWindsor> Stupid gravity.
17:47 <Halcyon> Steve, I need to change my sheets :P
17:58 <Nothing\> i'd read up a bit, then go over a flight plan, take off, cruise for a bit
18:07 <Nothing\> then i'd be likek "okay.... now what?"
18:18 <Nothing\> and inevitably crash or do a nose dive or spin for fun
18:40 <Nothing\> try to get a 747 into a supersonic dive
19:24 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, we should try to build a submarine that can go faster than the speed of sound in water
19:34 <rust_collector> yeah
19:40 <rust_collector> I mean no
19:51 <Nothing\> okay, what about solar powered rockets?
19:55 <rust_collector> someone should, but not we
20:20 <Halcyon> Solar powered submarines? It will be just like the solar roadway :)
20:29 <rust_collector> perfect!
20:42 <Nothing\> Halcyon: i dunno, i could see them working if their battery bank was large enough
20:55 <Nothing\> so long as stealth wasn't a priority
21:04 <Nothing\> i'd imagine they'd have to surface for quite a while to recharge
21:16 <rust_collector> put the panels on the bottom, to keep them from reflecting
21:22 <Nothing\> lol
21:26 <Halcyon> :)
21:29 <HarryWindsor> long extension lead?
21:38 <rust_collector> tracks?
21:45 <rust_collector> subtrain
21:47 <Halcyon> I'm sure Tesla could come up with something
21:58 <Halcyon> Although fucked if I was going to get into a sub built by them
22:02 <rust_collector> tesla is dead, isn't he?
22:13 <Nothing\> i think he meant the company
22:25 <Halcyon> Nah, he's right over there. *points at T3sl4*
22:30 <Nothing\> which, come to think of it
22:48 <Nothing\> does the company Tesla make anything that actually uses alternating current?
22:49 <coppice_> rust_collector: just nikola, not the whole family
22:54 <Nothing\> much less 3 phase AC
23:07 * T3sl4 harrumphs cadaverly
23:13 <Halcyon> Hah
23:13 <Nothing\> it just hit me, most of their things use DC
23:15 * Ampera sucks T3sl4's penis
23:24 <Halcyon> Graphic
23:29 * Ampera stares at Halcyon while doing it, menacingly
23:36 <Nothing\> interesting note on that actually, apparently the electrical system on the international space station uses DC
23:37 <T3sl4> i'm dead, not like i'll need it anymore
23:38 <rust_collector> do they use 3 phase dc in the cars?
24:11 <T3sl4> i think they use 3ph PMAC motors?
24:11 <Nothing\> between transformers being too bulky for space and the short distances the power has to travel, DC is more practical for the space station
24:26 <Ampera> all of my favourite people are here
24:33 <Ampera> Nothing\, T3sl4, Halcyon, steve30, coppice_
24:36 <Ampera> all we're missing is jspiros
24:38 <Halcyon> Awww :)
24:40 <Nothing\> so whenever they bring consumer electronics up to the station, their engineers have to build special power supplies
24:44 <T3sl4> not necessarily, DC is harder to fuse and AC at modest frequencies is easy to transform (400Hz is used on aircraft)
25:08 <Nothing\> T3sl4: oh yeah i was gonna look into that, too
25:32 <Nothing\> i heard that back in the day there were some trains that used 6 phase ac
25:38 <Ampera> I miss having 4 monitors
25:42 <Ampera> having only one sucks
25:42 <Halcyon> This guy has a lovely voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1ylXxKNGQ
25:46 <Halcyon> Pity about the accent
26:01 <Ampera> does he have a lovely penis?
26:10 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind finding out
26:21 <T3sl4> more phases aren't meaningful because as long as there's a useful phase shift, you can transform to any phase angles
26:32 <T3sl4> 6+ pole motors are common enough tho
26:37 <MrMobodies> I like my HP LP2065'S unfortunaytely I can't run them all
26:42 <Ampera> T3sl4, how would you do that, out of curiosity
26:43 <Nothing\> yeah, the ISS uses 160vdc
26:44 <MrMobodies> until I get solar panels to afford the bills
26:48 <MrMobodies> and my server
27:05 <T3sl4> Ampera: what, transform phases?
27:07 <Ampera> as in, turning a +120 degree phase into a +180 degree?
27:09 <Ampera> aye
27:11 <T3sl4> ah
27:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4: yeah apparently you get pretty quickly diminishing returns with more phases
27:22 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott-T_transformer
27:25 <Nothing\> i just thought it was neat that 6 phase had a practical use
27:39 <Ampera> neat
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27:52 <T3sl4> 25Hz and 16.7Hz even had uses, but not widespread
28:13 <Nothing\> you can get 2 phase power from your kitchen outlets if they're wired right
28:24 <T3sl4> not in the US
28:25 <Nothing\> sometimes they'll wire a seperate phase up to each outlet
28:39 <T3sl4> split phase is not linearly independent, it's 180 degrees
28:44 <Nothing\> or you just get those 2 phase outlets for large appliances, but that's nothing special
29:11 <Nothing\> i learned that from electroboom actually, about the 2 phases in kitchen outlets
29:39 <Halcyon> You guys have 2 phase outlets?
29:43 <Nothing\> yup
29:45 <Halcyon> Weird
29:49 <T3sl4> split phase, not angled
29:51 <Nothing\> for things like stoves or washing machines
30:01 <T3sl4> pole/pad transformers are 240VCT
30:10 <Halcyon> We just have single phase 30A sockets for those
30:16 <Nothing\> they have this really bulky plug that gives 2 phases
30:25 <Halcyon> Or three phase for stuff like air conditioning etc...
30:58 <Nothing\> though they seem to be increasingly more rare, like in the townhouse i live in there's just 1 2 phase outlet in the kitchen, the laundry room just has regular outlets
31:05 <Halcyon> My AC runs off 400VAC 3-phase
31:12 <coppice_> The philipinnes has interesting power. they started with 110V and dropped it. Now everything is 220V, but spilit phase, like the US, so both sides are live
31:52 <coppice_> In countries with big AC requirements, like Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, every home gets 3 phase power
31:54 <rust_collector> this house is so old, so we just have 230-ish volts 3 phase
32:14 <Nothing\> here Halcyon
32:16 <Nothing\> https://www.askmediy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/50amp_4_wire_906129669.jpg
32:20 <Nothing\> there's a 2 phase outlet
32:23 <T3sl4> would be convenient if we switched to NEMA 6-15s everywhere
32:40 <Halcyon> coppice_: Same here, every street has 3 phases, whether your home is connected to all three is a matter for you and your electrician
33:11 <Nothing\> we have 3 phase going to the curb here, then it gets split into 2 phases for each house
33:15 <T3sl4> Nothing\: NEMA 14-50 or thereabouts
34:29 <Nothing\> yeah, i guess that makes sense
34:41 <Nothing\> apparently the standard 1 phase outlets here can't provide more than 1.5kw
35:01 <Nothing\> hence why all space heaters are 1.5kw, regardless of how large they are
35:30 <Nothing\> i think with the oven though, each heating element runs on a single phase
35:40 <T3sl4> NEMA 5-15 being the most common outlet, 20s also being backwards compatible
35:57 <MrMobodies> in this house, only 65 amp mains fuse
35:57 <Nothing\> cuz looking at the documentation for my oven, the heating elements each draw 1.5kw
36:05 <steve30> I've been wondering whether I ought to get a new mattress at some point this decade
36:09 <MrMobodies> in previous house 100a and two of them
36:19 <MrMobodies> the wires are much thinner
36:50 <MrMobodies> turn on an electric oven an the lights dim much more
37:00 <MrMobodies> power shower and I hear the fan spin down a little
37:05 <MrMobodies> electric shower oops
37:47 <Nothing\> heh that reminds me, i saw an episode of lazy game reviews yesterday where he reviewed this add on for your computer, it was a cigarette lighter and cup holder you installed in your drive bay
38:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, I get to meet one of my grandfather's cousins who is a career electrician
38:15 <Nothing\> and the cigarette lighter outlet could provide up to 6.5 amps at 12v
38:26 <Nothing\> i'm thinking that'd be taxing on modern PSUs
38:30 <rust_collector> we use these things on the kitchen stove: https://imgur.com/a/SicuZj6
38:40 <Ampera> er, tomorrow
38:57 <Nothing\> i mean i haven't bought a computer in some time, but the sense i get is that 700 or 800 watt PSUs probably aren't necessary or standard anymore
39:03 <MrMobodies> I rembered the plugs with the round pins
39:24 <MrMobodies> the plug size was smaller
39:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector: that's a weird looking one
40:06 <rust_collector> yeah
40:17 <Ampera> Nothing\, they have far more powerful ones.
40:21 <Nothing\> man, i'm really jealous of brits with the plugs they get
40:23 <Ampera> 1000W PSUs are common for higher end rigs.
40:26 <Ampera> My own PSU is 800W
40:33 <Nothing\> Ampera: oh i have no doubt, for special built gaming computers
41:07 <MrMobodies> I have a Enermax Galaxy 1000w, but two of them broke over the years
41:14 <MrMobodies> Dual transformer
41:24 <Nothing\> but i wouldn't imagine a regular consumer level desktop would use more than maybe a 500 watt psu
41:29 <MrMobodies> I did overload the 5v rail on them though
41:32 <Nothing\> but this is just conjecture, i could be very wrong
41:55 <rust_collector> the wifes caravan runs off an old atx supply, lol
42:00 <Nothing\> i've been considering turning an old pc power supply into a bench top power supply for my electronics
42:10 <MrMobodies> thats what I do
42:13 <Nothing\> when i mentioned it once, somebody told me it was a bad idea, but i can't recall why
42:43 <rust_collector> probably because you should have a current limiting thing
42:56 <MrMobodies> convenient, and I plug the molex in there for 12 or 5v
43:02 <Nothing\> that would probably be a good idea
43:11 * Halcyon offers Ampera a nibble of his chorizo
43:17 <rust_collector> they do give you a lot of power
43:29 <MrMobodies> I had fans two off it
43:46 <MrMobodies> the blower type to cool laptops and anything warm in the summer
44:00 <DHess_US> Nothing\, there is something to be said for power derating the power supply for better reliability and operating life.
44:19 <Nothing\> how would you do that?
44:35 <Nothing\> would that even be an issue if you're only using one or two rails at a time?
44:52 <DHess_US> That just means that paying for a more powerful power supply than strictly required will let it last longer.
44:56 <MrMobodies> I have a cupboard of old Enermax power supplies, the ones with the copper heatsinks some need new caps and some still work fine.
45:03 <Nothing\> ahh okay, i gotcha
45:10 <DHess_US> I have a junk box full of Vantec power supplies.
45:13 <Nothing\> yeah, power supplies are always the first thing to die in a computer
45:14 <DHess_US> All dead.
45:15 <MrMobodies> quality
45:18 <MrMobodies> I have one AT one
45:21 <MrMobodies> still worked
45:24 <MrMobodies> with the power button
45:31 <DHess_US> My Phenom II 940 workstation is on its third power supply.
45:40 <MrMobodies> Vantec written inb black over the white label
45:44 <DHess_US> And on its third GPU
45:44 <Nothing\> yeah i've had to replace about a half a dozen PSUs over the course of 15 or so years
46:04 <MrMobodies> I still have my first decent one an EG651-p
46:10 <Nothing\> actually i just had 2 mice fail on me with the exact same mode of failure within a month of eachother
46:16 <DHess_US> I'm currently refurbishing my old Pentium4 workstation and my dual Pentium3 workstation.
46:17 <MrMobodies> Made in Taiwan in ink
46:25 <MrMobodies> but the others are in China
46:29 <T3sl4> also lack of adjustable range, and maybe preloading of outputs or cross regulation, depending on how old it is
46:37 <Nothing\> the left button crapped out and started suffering from really severe bouncing, so half the time when i'd try to single click, it would double click instead
46:53 <T3sl4> Nothing\: when i mentioned it once, somebody told me it was a bad idea, but i can't recall why <-- to that
47:08 <MrMobodies> I had a couple of EX and MK mouse buttons break but I used them for like 5 years or so
47:17 <steve30> Halcyon, clean sheets are fitted :D
47:42 <Nothing\> T3sl4: ah yeah i could see that too, it's just kind of a dumb set up that goes all out no matter what
48:10 <MrMobodies> Anybody use alcohol wipes?
48:19 <DHess_US> When that happened on my last mouse, I swapped that microswitch with another one which I never used.
48:25 * T3sl4 uses alcohol drinks
48:30 <DHess_US> It lasted a couple more years that way.
48:30 <Nothing\> i use alcohol wipes for my glasses and to clean my face
48:31 <steve30> In my previous computer, the first thing to fail was the RAM, and the second thing to fail was the HDD
48:42 <steve30> MrMobodies, not me
48:51 <MrMobodies> handy for most things
49:04 <MrMobodies> I use it for, like above glasses, light switches
49:05 <MrMobodies> Keys
49:06 <MrMobodies> mouse
49:13 <MrMobodies> screens
49:19 <Nothing\> yeah isopropanol is awesome for cleaning stuff
49:30 <Nothing\> yeah, tvs and phones especially
49:33 * Halcyon messes up Steve's sheets
49:36 <MrMobodies> grimey remote controls
49:57 <DHess_US> Eh, sometimes the isopropanol you buy can be contaminated with stuff you dont' want to get on glass.
50:03 * T3sl4 spreads mayonnaise on Halcyon's keyboard
50:04 <MrMobodies> *rust* remocer
50:04 <Halcyon> I find a mix of ethanol and orange oil works far better at lifting sticky or greasy things.
50:12 <steve30> I use washing up liquid for my glasses
50:18 <MrMobodies> I buy the bottles and the UHS wipes
50:23 <MrMobodies> Universal branded ones
50:38 <MrMobodies> the washing up liquid works great when the pressure is good
50:51 <Nothing\> one thing i hate about cleaning controllers is all of the little nooks and crannies, especially the cracks in between the two shells of the casing, they alwys get this gunk stuck in them consisting of dead skin and old sweat or something that's damn near impossible to clean out properly
51:13 <Nothing\> you can maybe dig it out with a thumbtack, but its such a pain trying to get in there
51:15 <MrMobodies> I use a electric brush
51:20 <MrMobodies> Sonic thing
51:25 <Halcyon> Yeh toothbrush works well
51:26 <T3sl4> a screwdriver perfectly fits and cleans the seam in my mouse
51:34 <Nothing\> that's not a bad idea
51:38 * Halcyon plays with T3sl4's seam
51:56 <Nothing\> i have a couple of old toothbrushes, i should totally give that a try
52:02 <MrMobodies> https://sonicscrubber.co.uk/
52:07 <MrMobodies> I have the yellow ones
52:25 <MrMobodies> good for keyboards
52:41 <MrMobodies> and fans
52:56 <T3sl4> Halcyon, there's just smegma and cheeto dust in there
53:01 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/OLqnvyC
53:51 <MrMobodies> Here's a joke, use alcohol and Rustcollect won't have any rust to collect.
53:52 <Halcyon> Charming :P
54:34 <coppice_> MrMobodies: looks like someone figured out how to rescue their failing toothbrush business
54:52 <MrMobodies> I like that one better
55:01 <T3sl4> jk tho
55:02 <MrMobodies> more than just a toothbrush
55:10 <T3sl4> i'd never eat cheetos at the computer
55:16 <MrMobodies> brushes teeth cleans toilet etc
55:28 <MrMobodies> clkean the tyres
56:08 <MrMobodies> cheet os
56:32 <MrMobodies> I never cheat the operating system
57:01 <MrMobodies> but I do typos
00:43 <Halcyon> I need to service my Roomba
00:46 <MrMobodies> I also have some bottles of Acetone
01:02 <MrMobodies> Destroyed quite a few things
01:56 <MrMobodies> Roomba?
01:58 <rust_collector> I use a lot of methanol, it does ok
02:10 <rust_collector> roomba is the cat bus
02:28 <MrMobodies> a bus for cats
02:34 <rust_collector> yup
03:00 <rust_collector> or small dogs
03:44 <rust_collector> if you want, you can put a dalek figure on one
04:09 <MrMobodies> it carries things
04:26 <rust_collector> lightweight things
04:37 <rust_collector> if you put things on it
04:45 <rust_collector> most people don't
05:32 <MrMobodies> Got to go to sleep soon
06:04 <MrMobodies> going out at about 9pm which is 5 hours away
06:12 <MrMobodies> oops 9am
06:30 <rust_collector> I have a client coming tomorrow, but I do not remember when, lol
06:30 <EEVBlog> Halcyon is interested, rust_collector!
06:39 <rust_collector> hah
07:00 <Halcyon> Wait, what?
07:06 <Halcyon> :P
07:13 <T3sl4> Ampera is coming too, i'll bet
07:32 <steve30> i think i'll make some food
07:32 <rust_collector> different kind I think
08:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, the EEVBot has been going /nuts/ today.
08:10 <steve30> My Thinkpad's screen is very good at attracting dust
08:13 <Ampera> People are hitting all the payloads.
08:21 <MrMobodies> mine too
08:24 <MrMobodies> I have some behind it
08:35 <MrMobodies> there are some smears there
08:40 <MrMobodies> from the dust
08:47 * steve30 hugs EEVBlog 
08:47 <MrMobodies> It is over 10 years old now
09:11 <rust_collector> I wonder when my stinkpad is from
09:21 <steve30> This thinkpad is from about 2002 ish
09:52 <steve30> I wouldn't mind finding out how much it cost new
09:53 <Halcyon> I love the old Thinkpads
10:18 <rust_collector> may 2013. well, it is not exactly new
10:40 <MrMobodies> Mine is from China
10:55 <MrMobodies> It is a W700
11:00 <steve30> Mine is from Scotland
11:15 <MrMobodies> bet that doesn't squeek like mine
11:21 <MrMobodies> ont he plastics
12:18 <steve30> no plastic squeeking, but it does have a bit of coil whine
12:39 <rust_collector> I do not think mine has done much computing, but it looks like they did some crash testing with it
12:53 <coppice_> steve30: IBM stioll manufactured in Scotland in 2002? I thought they left well before that
13:09 <steve30> Don't know, it just says Made in UK
13:54 <coppice_> IBM used to make the same machine in a number of locations. That always seemed an odd practice
14:51 <MrMobodies> I know when I got my replacement in 2009 they just sold the laptop division
15:14 <MrMobodies> I waited 6 months. It was damaged in delivery and the plastics use to unclip
15:22 <MrMobodies> but this one isn't as creaky
15:31 <MrMobodies> well ventillated
15:41 <MrMobodies> front vent, back vent, vent underneath
15:49 <MrMobodies> doesn't get too hot
16:14 <MrMobodies> Three vents for the GPU and three for the CPU
16:53 <MrMobodies> at the time I forsaw that many would overheat (the ones in the shop) and that's why I chose this one.
17:22 <MrMobodies> and they all had that paint on them that would come off
18:13 <MrMobodies> I don't think they overheat now like they did in those nows
18:56 <MrMobodies> Night night
19:03 <rust_collector> I have a cheap asus, and it has palmrest cooling. I wonder how that works. I think it would be a peltier element or something, but that seems like a dumb thing to put in a laptop
22:53 <Halcyon> Have any of you guys used any of the Baofeng two way radios?
24:12 <rust_collector> not me
26:05 <rust_collector> I have an old cb radio, with no antenna, that I have never used
33:38 <Halcyon> I used to play with radio all the time when I was a kid
33:54 <Halcyon> Been thinking about getting back into it. The Baofeng radios are incredibly cheap for what they are
34:12 <Halcyon> Dual band, 4 watt TX for under AUD$50
40:30 <rust_collector> for $50, just do it
41:52 <Ampera> I've been thinking about buying an SDR of some sort
41:56 <Ampera> but, ech, money
42:01 <Halcyon> I want to get one too
42:07 <Halcyon> Many to play around with emulating GPS signals
42:09 <Halcyon> *Mainly
49:31 <rust_collector> hmm, aiming a satelite dish... that is a neat thing to use an sdr thingie for
49:45 <Halcyon> Yeh that would be cool too
50:19 <rust_collector> Not that I have a dish, but I have not thought of that
50:41 <Halcyon> I'm sure you can pick up second hand TV dishes for cheap
51:02 <rust_collector> yeah
51:21 <rust_collector> but I don't need one, lol
51:29 <Halcyon> I don'
51:35 <Halcyon> I don't need have the stuff I have
51:36 <Halcyon> But it's fun
51:54 <rust_collector> I do not get to use the tv, so why whould I have a dish?
52:03 <Halcyon> :P
52:11 <rust_collector> Or, what else would I use a dish for?
52:22 <Halcyon> Listening to the ISS ?
52:25 <rust_collector> except a wok. I do need a wok
52:42 <rust_collector> the iss...
52:53 <Halcyon> International Space Station
53:09 <rust_collector> I live up on top of the world, I can just open my window and listen
53:15 <Halcyon> Hahah
57:54 <rust_collector> I have to get out of bed soon...
58:19 <rust_collector> I should get into bed first. Good night
10:16 <Halcyon> Night
14:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
14:39 <Halcyon> :D
14:48 <Ampera> how do
15:21 <Halcyon> Good :) Just reloaded the dishwasher, about to get my clothes out of the washer
15:51 <Ampera> I'm listening to suicide is painless
17:33 * Ampera offers T3sl4 a piping hot mug of parrafin wax
18:32 <Halcyon> I'm watching a new channel I found
18:35 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MP93YbINyI
19:00 <Halcyon> I want his DIP lifter
19:18 <Halcyon> Ahh nice, he has a 121GW
21:32 <Ampera> maybe I'll buy a 121GW some day
21:47 <Ampera> if my job will call for a good meter
24:29 <Halcyon> When you come here, I will have to arrange for you to meet Dave
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47:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Hungarian Prime Minister gets it. What a waste of tax dollars that was (University is taxpayer funded there). https://t.co/0conviMc0M
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55:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Sorry, old story it seems.
04:02 <steve30> I just had chicken and roast potatoes
04:03 <steve30> Yum
04:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, that'll be nice
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11:24 <Halcyon> Yummy
12:54 <steve30> I'm rather looking forward to going to bed now that I've got clean sheets. Need a coffee first though :)
12:55 * Halcyon nibbles on Steve's potatoes
13:09 <Halcyon> Gah, that's probably why you don't sleep, you're all wired up on coffee
13:13 * Ampera nibbles on Halcyon's sausages and nuts
13:21 <Halcyon> :D
13:32 <steve30> coffee ftw
13:38 <Ampera> caffeine pills ftw
13:38 <Halcyon> It also keeps you up
14:21 <Ampera> you keep me up Halcyon
14:24 <Ampera> you're so fun to talk to
14:29 <Halcyon> :D
14:38 <Ampera> you also smell like gravy
14:43 <Halcyon> Do I?
14:56 <Ampera> indeed you do
16:19 <Halcyon> OK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbKvfhPwgI
16:23 <Halcyon> That's cool
16:31 <Halcyon> Even down to the vintage ticket computers
16:33 <Ampera> oh yeah I've seen that
20:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! Turning a Diesel Locomotive by Hand https://t.co/U5GbyCFiXB
20:21 * Ampera throws a knackwurst at Halcyon
20:33 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
20:33 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWO3vif7hTw
20:36 <Halcyon> This guy reminds me of you
20:43 <Halcyon> Except he is a little less queer
21:02 <Halcyon> :P
21:05 <Ampera> I know who he is, and he sounds like he breathes nothing but helium
21:13 <steve30> I think he's cute
21:23 <Halcyon> He's like 15 in that video Steve :P
21:27 <Halcyon> You grub
21:29 <Ampera> all of you australians sound a bit gay be default
22:14 <Halcyon> His mum seems cool, getting involved: d a bit gay be default
22:16 <Halcyon> Dammit
22:18 <steve30> well, he hasn't changed much between then and now
22:19 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxGqaXxczw0
22:26 <Halcyon> Most mums would be like "pfft, too hard"
22:45 <Halcyon> I actually have no idea how old he is, but he seems very young
22:58 <steve30> I think he's in his mid 20s
23:03 <Halcyon> No way
23:05 <steve30> He looks younger than he is
23:24 <Halcyon> I reckon at most, he'd be 16 or 17 today
23:53 <Ampera> I remember watching his videos years ago
23:54 <Halcyon> It's really hard to dell
23:56 <Ampera> he's got to be 20 or so
23:56 <Halcyon> tell
24:08 <Ampera> but australians don't go through puberty, so
24:17 <Halcyon> Pfft
24:32 <steve30> If you watch his vblog videos, he was towards the end of secondry school in 2009 ish
24:49 <Ampera> in 2009 I was 7
24:51 <Ampera> he's in his 20's
25:14 <Halcyon> Well there you go Steve ;-)
25:15 <Halcyon> Enjoy
25:20 <Ampera> fuck, he might be close to 30
25:24 <Ampera> so he's your age, Halcyon
25:31 <Halcyon> Get out, not even close
25:47 <steve30> He did a cool video a couple of years ago about his move to Tasmania
25:53 <Ampera> it's a chance for you to indulge in your closeted pedophilia without breaking thelaw
26:34 <Halcyon> Who? Steve?
26:43 <Ampera> no osfirsttimer
26:50 <Ampera> steve is also another questionable motive
26:55 <Halcyon> Bitch
27:09 <Halcyon> I prefer guys my age
27:15 <steve30> That one I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOkaj3O8qH4
27:36 <Halcyon> Oh nice, I love Tassie
27:54 <Ampera> isn't everyone in Tasmania a fucking sandwich?
28:06 <Halcyon> ROFL
28:11 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
28:30 <Halcyon> Fuck you crack me up
28:41 <Ampera> I wasn't joking.
28:51 <Halcyon> Aww they have sheeps
28:53 <Ampera> afaik they're basically alabama
29:11 <Halcyon> That's the joke, but in reality it's actually quite gorgeous and the people are nice
29:16 <Halcyon> Not like in Sydney and Melbourne
29:21 <Ampera> where family trees look like spider webs
30:04 <Ampera> if I want to go somewhere gorgeous where the people are nice I'll go to a place like Essen
30:14 <Ampera> beautiful grey industry city, nice people.
30:17 <Ampera> I could almost live there.
30:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, please tell me, have they invented bug screens in Australia?
30:52 <Halcyon> What? Yes of course?
30:58 <Ampera> because for some fucking reason Germany and most of Europe has never seen one in their lives.
31:08 <Halcyon> Fly screens have been standard since.... forever?
31:21 <Ampera> I guess they can get away with it since all they have are flies, but we got fucking sqitos
31:46 <Halcyon> Yeh mozzies are shit but they don't get through the mesh
31:58 <steve30> I pondered going out for a walk this morning but I think I'll stay at home instead
32:13 <Ampera> steve30, go out for a fucking walk, it's good for you
32:45 <Ampera> I might power train or something when I get home, kick the ass out of myself, but chew my fat off afap
36:19 <Halcyon> I might watch a movie or somehing
39:57 <Halcyon> Steve: Cute gay pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFrEgnYtoGQ
40:08 <Halcyon> Except he's American, so he's probably a cunt
40:09 <Halcyon> :P
41:02 <steve30> cool
41:23 <steve30> I went on a 'date' with an aeroplane pilot once
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41:52 <Halcyon> I couldn't date a pilot or flighty, they tend to be very promiscuous and never home
43:07 <steve30> I gather that's why he was divorced
43:28 <Halcyon> Oh really?
43:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm just waiting to be tired enough to go to bed.
43:45 <Ampera> er, sleep, I'm already in bed.
43:52 <steve30> When I say 'date', it was more of a friendly meeting. I wasn't interested in him romantically. Although I'm sure he'd have made out with me if I'd let him.
43:55 <Halcyon> Is Minou in bed with you?
44:01 <Ampera> no, the door is closed
44:22 <steve30> He was a bit too old for me (about 55).
44:26 <Halcyon> Oh wow
44:33 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't do old men :P
44:47 <Ampera> you are an old man, pops
44:52 <Halcyon> Fuck you
45:00 <Ampera> I would but
45:02 <Ampera> I don't do old men
45:11 <Halcyon> Pfft, you wouldn't know what to do with it
45:18 <Ampera> suck it hard
45:33 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBe9TZLs4Ec
45:34 <Halcyon> Uhuh
45:38 <Ampera> unfortunately it's that "hard" bit that's the problem
45:42 <Ampera> what with elderly ED and all
45:43 <steve30> Love the "discrete study nook at the end"
46:41 <Halcyon> Gee, $850k for a place in Manly
46:45 <Halcyon> It must be fucking tiny
46:51 <Ampera> where the fuck is Manly
46:53 <Halcyon> I mean that room of his is very small in itself
47:06 <Halcyon> Northern Beaches of Sydney, it's quite expensive and shit to get in and out of
47:11 <steve30> Ampera, a place with a beech
47:22 <Ampera> beechnut?
47:27 <Ampera> oh man I love chewing tobacco
47:49 <Ampera> I am ever so teetering on buying a new charger for my surface
48:27 <Ampera> It works, but not well, the joint between the PSU and the cable to the tablet is bent such that it doesn't make proper contact unless it's at the right angle.
48:47 <Ampera> but ech money
50:11 <Ampera> anyways I'm going to sleepy, good night
50:21 * Ampera slips, falls, and falls into Halcyon's crotch on the way out, mouth first
50:28 <Halcyon> ROFL
50:31 <Halcyon> Night mate
50:59 * steve30 ponders showing halcyon a picture of the guy from the fetish site
51:08 <Halcyon> I'll have a look
53:23 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/f/1.png
53:32 <steve30> I might send him a message tomorrow
53:56 <Halcyon> Oh nice
53:58 <Halcyon> He's cute
54:42 <hsn> halycon r u gay? :D
54:47 <Halcyon> Yes hsn
54:54 <hsn> ok
55:48 <Halcyon> :)
57:35 <hsn> http://stevecoates.net/f
57:41 <hsn> :D the other picture
58:14 <steve30> lol
58:17 <Halcyon> Meh
00:53 <hsn> steve30 u use pure html or ?
01:44 <hsn> https://gohugo.io/ << i used this once ,, mark down is cool
02:42 <steve30> My website was originally made in Netscape Compozer
03:18 <Halcyon> Heheh Netscape
03:19 <steve30> I redid most of it in BlueGriffon a few years ago, but more recently I've just used Notepad++ and wrote the HTML myself
03:19 <Halcyon> Gees
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07:08 <hsn93> im looking into IEC protection classes wiki
07:19 <hsn93> Class 0I: Electrical installations where the chassis is connected to earth with a separate terminal, instead of via the mains cable. In effect this provides the same automatic disconnection as Class I, for equipment that otherwise would be Class 0.
07:24 <hsn93> i didnt understand this
07:44 <hsn93> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appliance_classes
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10:47 <Halcyon> *shrug*
14:47 <hsn93> mother earth
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51:56 <Halcyon> steve30: I'm watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv2ZqZmC7u0
52:04 <Halcyon> It's a weird concept
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04:59 <hsn93> huh, TI recommended esd parastic capacitance for ethernet is larger than usb 2.0 !
05:15 <Halcyon> Is that good?
05:35 <hsn93> no idea :D
06:17 <hsn93> but i thought ethernet would require smaller capacitance
15:09 <steve30> Halcyon, that video sounds rather incorrect
16:04 <Halcyon> Which bit?
16:49 <steve30> You only need a TV license if you are watching or recording TV as it is being broadcast, or if you are watching it on BBC iPlayer.
17:04 <steve30> He wrongly suggests that anyone who is capable of doing so needs to be licensed
17:09 <Halcyon> *shrug*
17:23 <Halcyon> I just think the whole idea of detector vans is hilarious
18:14 <Halcyon> Whilst picking up a signal from a CRT monitor is certainly very possible, I think it would highly unlikely. These days, it would be near impossible.
19:26 <steve30> "Enforcement officers" will go into people's houses because people invite them in and engage in conversation.
19:32 <Halcyon> Yup
19:42 <Halcyon> But if you tell them to go away or don't answer the door?
19:57 <steve30> They can and do convict people because they will either see you watching the TV, or they will get a 'doorstep confession'
20:19 <steve30> yeah, best thing to do is to tell them to bugger off
20:24 <Halcyon> So basically through admission or direct evidence, not based on any kind of technical detection
20:38 <steve30> yup
20:57 <Halcyon> What a waste of resources
21:03 <steve30> a "detector van" would not be admissable in court because no one knows how they work
21:06 <Halcyon> Surely that money could be put to better use?
22:09 <steve30> I think the activities they do probably encourage people to pay up. If they don't make threats, people just won't pay and they'd lose money
23:14 <Halcyon> I just don't see the point, why not just pay it from taxes, completely abolish the whole licencing system.
23:21 <Halcyon> People have to pay taxes
24:08 <steve30> Then taxes would go up
24:12 <Halcyon> Yep
24:21 <Halcyon> But how is that different from paying a fixed yearly fee?
24:29 <Halcyon> At least the cost would be spread out
24:48 <steve30> its not, except those who don't watch TV may still have to pay
25:01 <Halcyon> Meh
25:33 <Halcyon> I just think the cost of setting up a licencing system, plus all the admin and overhead that goes into, plus enforcement would far exceed a nominal rise in tax
25:50 <Halcyon> Whether it be through GST/VAT or similar
25:58 <Halcyon> Or, the government just wear the cost?
26:09 <steve30> Its been going for many decades, so there is no problem in setting it up
27:52 <Halcyon> Or have the cost rolled in to the cost of a TV
28:02 <Halcyon> So those that buy a TV directly contribute to it
28:07 <Halcyon> No enforcement needed
28:40 <steve30> I think the reason we still have it is because the system works well for the BBC and no one ever wanted the hassle of changing it
28:55 <Halcyon> Probably because they profit off it significantly
28:59 <steve30> yup
32:57 <steve30> That guy would be cute if it wasn't for the expletives
33:08 <Halcyon> Yeh he is kind of cute
34:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: ESA: Just. Wow. Photo taken by @astro_luca outside the @Space_Station on his first #SpacewalkForAMS on 15 November 2019. It shows the Japanese #Kibo module (left) and the Station's solar arrays with Earth behind 👉 https://t.co/tNT8pmeYpv https://t.co/D7d9w8x7Ag
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45:58 <Halcyon> It's so misty and foggy outside
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51:44 <steve30> I think this site gets some inspiration from youtube
51:45 <steve30> https://www.vidlii.com/
52:21 <Halcyon> Meh
52:31 <Halcyon> It's hard to be original
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57:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Sony brought the Ghostbusters Ecto-1 to CES 2020! https://t.co/j8in1UU3yk
59:45 <rust_collector> we changed from paying a tv license every year, to paying more tax...
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12:45 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds like a thing german government would be proud of - but without getting rid of tv licens fees.
12:51 <Ysjoelfir> Hi jackyellow
14:52 <rust_collector> don't worry, we probably get to pay more tax also.
18:15 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trTDTCixA_c&feature=youtu.be
26:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: That Tamworth Tech Shed I tweeted about some time back, they won the funding: https://t.co/UTnsMKrpQ0
58:28 <rust_collector> so, what is happening today?
58:47 <rust_collector> My client has not arrived yet, so I just sit here drinking coffee
59:18 <Ysjoelfir> Going out to eat with a friend in around 10 minutes. after that... I guess playing some games. Started Metal Gear Solid 5 yesterday and enjoy it very much
00:18 <rust_collector> sounds like an ok sunday
00:48 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. except from the fact that said friend lives around an hour away. I'm not very fond of driving there.
01:48 <rust_collector> meh, that is ok, it is not like you are doing anything else
02:10 <Ysjoelfir> sure, but I would much prefer to be productive or play a bit.
02:28 <rust_collector> read a book while you drive
04:10 <rust_collector> we used to have a guy at work, that watched football games while driving.
04:45 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty hard Oo I would be scared to crash into something
05:20 <rust_collector> I am not sure it is hard, but it is pretty dumb
06:28 <Ysjoelfir> definitely
11:05 <Ysjoelfir> so... leaving now. later
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11:13 <rust_collector> have fun
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32:28 <hsn93> =)
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