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02:40:22 <Nothing\> once i knew this kid who needede a blood transfusion but he didn't like blood so they gave him apple juice and in the fall he changed colors and fell out of a tree and died
02:41:32 <steve30> So he changed into an Apple?
02:41:56 <Nothing\> no, but he did gain their powers
02:42:17 * steve30 wonders what powers an apple has
02:42:29 <steve30> Maybe a PowerPC :)
02:44:51 <Nothing\> it has the power to be turned into a tasty beverage
02:45:29 <Nothing\> and it repels doctors
02:46:14 <Nothing\> man, i feel like making something electronic but i can't think of what
02:47:29 <Nothing\> half the time when i feel like this, by the time i get an idea and then research it i've become distracted with something else, for some reason i've just been gravitating more towards math than electronics which i'm happy with cuz i can just jump right into it and i never used to like math so it's nice to be learning this stuff that compliments EE so nicely
02:48:03 <Nothing\> especially number theory, i get really interested in the properties of numbers
02:49:46 <Nothing\> or polygonal numbers, those are really neat
02:50:00 <Nothing\> like triangular numbers, square numbers, pentagonal numbers, etc
02:50:20 <Nothing\> not so useful for EE, but still neat
03:03:58 <rust_collector> weirdo
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03:50:22 <MrMobodies> I have just found the culprit on Windows 10 Enterprise 1607 that keeps on opening up many connections to microsofts download store and Azure
03:51:07 <MrMobodies> After weeks of experimenting and disabling services, the connections come out of either svchost.exe or "system processes"
03:51:22 <MrMobodies> dasHost.exe
03:51:33 <MrMobodies> Device accossiation framework.
03:51:40 <MrMobodies> remove that file and all that stops
03:52:50 <MrMobodies> It's made on connection just now to 13.74.179.117 Microsoft Azura but there are not 10 or 20 of them
03:56:04 <MrMobodies> I find that disturbing there are that much going out... to Microsoft. Reminds me of old days when I watched the firewall when customers bring in their dtuff, the free games they installed had toolbars and some rootkits and there'd be many connections going out when idle and I use to find them that way.
04:15:11 <Ampera> mmm windows
04:15:16 <Ampera> it's always fun
04:15:58 <Ampera> my recent bother was on my mom's computer, where the classic issue of windows breaking if you change the ATA controller from IDE to AHCI mode.
04:16:35 <Ampera> Whereas Linux would just load the appropriate driver, Windows goes AHHH, FUCK, HOLY SHIT, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HARD DRIVE
04:17:52 <MrMobodies> Oh yessss.... I know one that did that
04:18:07 <MrMobodies> It was a Windows Vista on a Compaw
04:18:25 <MrMobodies> change hard drive wouldn't boot
04:18:40 <MrMobodies> after using the hp oem recovery
04:18:44 <MrMobodies> it would work and stop working
04:18:51 <MrMobodies> found out it changed a key
04:18:59 <MrMobodies> for boot devices
04:19:03 <MrMobodies> if I put the key back in it works
04:19:37 <MrMobodies> if it went into system restore it use to change the registry key and wouldn't startup
04:20:22 <MrMobodies> I am having second thoughts, I don't think it is the DaShost.exe, the culprit may depend on that to start.
04:20:35 <MrMobodies> I'll be researching later on that.
04:21:03 <MrMobodies> With Linux as least you have total control
04:21:44 <Ampera> Linux is incredibly resiliant and easy to repair
04:22:09 <Ampera> I've thrown out entire windows installs because the bootloader couldn't be repaired with the incredibly abstract tools they provide
04:22:26 <Ampera> but I've never once lost a Linux installation for any reason related to booting
04:22:27 <MrMobodies> that's whu I use disc imaging....
04:23:02 <Ampera> Linux disk imaging tools are awesome
04:23:07 <MrMobodies> oh yes
04:23:14 <Ampera> but I unfortunately do not have space to image stuff
04:23:31 <MrMobodies> oh
04:23:36 <Ampera> All of my machines run either Linux or Unix.
04:24:38 <MrMobodies> that sounds like something good you got going there
04:25:36 <Ampera> I've been thoroughly amazed at how much has been possible with Linux and Unix in my short time of using them.
04:25:59 <Ampera> it absolutely blows my mind that I exist in a time where I not only can replace Windows, but I have, and totally
04:26:18 <MrMobodies> that is something I got to get into
04:26:40 <MrMobodies> and when I do encourage my own customers
04:27:32 <Ampera> I've been seeing more and more people around me every day ditch Windows for Linux
04:27:58 <rust_collector> I made the wife use mx for almost a year
04:28:04 <rust_collector> no big issues
04:28:21 <MrMobodies> Maybe has been too long... on Windows...
04:29:04 <rust_collector> most people have
04:30:28 <Ampera> As the consumer PC market gets more power user focused, and moves away from general purpose/general public, I wouldn't be surprised to see Linux taking a significant minority lead
04:31:13 <Ampera> My grandfather is on Linux and my mother is slowly being changed over by me. Because I watch over their machines, and they're easy to maintain, I have no problems.
04:31:13 <MrMobodies> Power user focused... that's what I like to hear.
04:31:34 <Ampera> Well general people are moving more towards chromebooks and smartphones
04:32:01 <Ampera> Since that's all they really want. There's still a market for PCs in the consumer space, but that resides within power users and/or gamers
04:32:32 <rust_collector> I still have not seen a single chromebook... But yes, most people would probably be better off with one
04:32:49 <MrMobodies> I was given a Samsung J5, I don't normally spend money on phones. but I unrooted it. So I can do what the hell I want.
04:33:41 <Ampera> rust_collector, I recently did a semester at a community college, they're everywhere.
04:33:56 <Ampera> I will buy a phone once GNU on phones becomes viable
04:34:01 <Ampera> it's not, so I won't
04:34:10 <rust_collector> Ampera, you are on a different continent.... lol
04:34:24 <Ampera> indeed I am
04:34:39 <Ampera> are you in upside down land?
04:34:58 <rust_collector> no, I am in the alt-right left land
04:35:15 <Ampera> where is that
04:35:24 <rust_collector> norway
04:35:42 <Ampera> you fennoscandians
04:35:47 <rust_collector> mmhmm
04:37:04 <MrMobodies> Norweigan?
04:37:13 <Ampera> that is the demonym
04:38:25 <MrMobodies> Well you given me some ideas
04:38:27 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
04:39:14 <Ampera> that's fine, but I need one that runs X and has a good to use interface for mobile devices
04:39:16 <Ampera> I've yet to find that
04:40:23 <rust_collector> I do know a guy who installed... I can not remember if it was arch or void or something, on an older sony phone. I never got a good answer about "the use as a phone part"
04:43:18 <Ampera> The core issue is that nobody has designed a viable touch interface for X
04:43:48 <Ampera> GNOME tried, but just like everything GNOME tries to do, it was an ungodly load of bloated crap that hurt everyone else's workflow and did nothing to advance its actual goal
04:44:05 <MrMobodies> that's a shame
04:44:27 <Ampera> I use GNU on a tablet all the time, right now, to chat on IRC actually
04:44:53 <Ampera> but the issue is if i want to actually use it as a tablet, I need an X desktop environment that supports touch gestures, HiDPI, among other things
04:45:08 <Ampera> My current solution is Window Maker with the resolution set lower
04:45:24 <MrMobodies> so it works when the resolution is set lower.
04:45:35 <MrMobodies> but then things become too big
04:46:00 <rust_collector> make things smaller first
04:46:07 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/qjcis4
04:46:15 <Ampera> no then things become too small
04:46:36 <Ampera> windowmaker was designed in the 1990's, and while it somehow makes an amazingly good touch interface, it has no GUI scaling whatsoever
04:46:46 <Ampera> so if those blocks are 64x64, they *are* 64x64
04:47:37 <rust_collector> who cares? I want to go see that castle
04:48:01 <Ampera> it's in San Marino, on Monte Titano
04:48:14 <rust_collector> arrgh forget that then
04:48:17 <Ampera> lol
04:48:21 <MrMobodies> I see AampSurface
04:48:32 <MrMobodies> and the Opensource Chrome
04:48:35 <Ampera> yeah that's a terminal
04:48:41 <Ampera> and that's chromium
04:49:16 <MrMobodies> I like the look of it.. not the picture the icons and arrangement.
04:49:20 <Ampera> Despite the resolution being lower, it actually works fairly well, with my only remaining woe being the touch keyboard
04:49:46 <Ampera> It's what I also use on my desktop PC, since it's excellent there too, let me try to find a screenshot
04:50:10 <coppice_> rust_collector: Europe has several castles as spectacular as that one
04:50:13 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/q18lty
04:50:22 <Ampera> that's it running a Windows VM
04:51:32 <MrMobodies> Windows maker Nice. Windows 10 bloat
04:52:27 <MrMobodies> Qemu KVM. but that's on the tablet
04:53:38 <Ampera> No, this is on my desktop
04:53:52 <Ampera> and it's Windows 2016. I only have it because I was forced to take a C# programming class
04:53:56 <Ampera> Visual C#
04:53:59 <MrMobodies> I see
04:56:15 <MrMobodies> Are the left side icons labelled 1/1 - 1/4 other desktops?
04:56:34 <MrMobodies> I know they had four desktops to switch to.
04:56:47 <Ampera> No, those are a brightness control
04:56:54 <Ampera> they launch programs, but you can set icons, so I made those myself
04:57:04 <Ampera> since there's no applet to control backlight brightness
04:58:17 <MrMobodies> I couldn't help notice NeXTSTEP desktop.
04:58:40 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP
04:58:56 <Ampera> Indeed, Window Maker is a clone of the NeXTSTEP desktop environment, but for X
04:59:40 <MrMobodies> brilliant, I have something to forward too when I start switching.
05:00:02 <Ampera> It's both easy and difficult to configure, with a lot of quirks, but I enjoy things like that
05:00:15 <rust_collector> you don't have to switch, just try to use it a bit
05:00:19 <Ampera> ^
05:00:33 <Ampera> I've played around with the vast majority of Linux desktops
05:00:50 <Ampera> from common things like GNOME, KDE, and MATE, to insanely weird things like FVWM, CDE, and i3
05:01:01 <rust_collector> as long as you end up using larswm, it is ok
05:01:27 <MrMobodies> insanely weired things I'll look at too.
05:01:50 <Ampera> i3 is something some people like, but those people also like masturbating with sand as lube
05:02:07 <rust_collector> hah, i3 is not THAT good
05:02:38 <Ampera> CDE is infinitely amusing, but insanely hard to get running, and when you do, it doesn't work brilliantly in the modern day
05:03:04 <rust_collector> have you tried the rox desktop?
05:03:32 <Ampera> Yep, it's actually not a desktop environment in its own right
05:03:39 <Ampera> it needs other components, namely a window manager, to get working
05:03:48 <Ampera> it doesn't end up working too well either
05:04:02 <rust_collector> it used to work well enough...
05:04:12 <rust_collector> depends on what you want, I guess
05:04:20 <Ampera> It did, but if you note the Wikipedia page, the images are from 2004
05:05:02 <Ampera> My requirements are interesting, mostly it has to look cool, but it also needs to do certain things
05:05:11 <Ampera> like have working status icons
05:05:30 <MrMobodies> not over simplified?
05:05:44 <Ampera> Over simplification is an interesting concept
05:05:57 <Ampera> Window Maker is incredibly simple to use, which is part of why I like it
05:06:12 <Ampera> Another issue is it needs to operate efficiently, which is why I do not use KDE
05:07:01 <rust_collector> hmm, would you use kde, if it was more "lightweight"
05:07:02 <Ampera> Before I used Window Maker I used MATE quite a bit
05:07:22 <Ampera> I would use KDE if it had better touch and tablet support
05:07:45 <Ampera> Heavier environments are alright, but they need to be worth their weight.
05:07:59 <Ampera> Right now KDE is not, since lighter and nicer environments do most of what it does.
05:08:40 <Ampera> To give an example, Window Maker is currently stating it's using under 4MB of memory
05:09:31 <Ampera> KDE uses much more (can't find a number)
05:09:55 <rust_collector> kde uses from plenty, to more than enough
05:10:07 <MrMobodies> 4mb that's is imprssive
05:10:45 <Ampera> That number of course doesn't count the memory X takes, which right now is around 60MiB
05:12:03 <Ampera> One of the weirdest environments I've ever used is AfterSTEP, which tried to do the same thing Window Maker did, with a NeXTSTEP clone, but it did it far far worse
05:12:05 <Ampera> and far far weirder
05:13:39 <MrMobodies> Later on maybe I can some fun when I get back, lots of SDD's to play with... cheap ass ones with Samsung rubbed off it
05:14:09 <MrMobodies> I can give it a go installing a linux from scratch
05:14:54 <Ampera> What distro do you normally play with?
05:15:18 <rust_collector> do you mean installing some distro, or doing linux from scratch?http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
05:15:21 <rust_collector> lol
05:15:29 <MrMobodies> I used Ubuntu
05:15:33 <MrMobodies> an old copy from 2010
05:15:42 <Ampera> Ah so you don't actively do Linux
05:15:49 <MrMobodies> nope
05:16:03 <Ampera> Linux is a thing that, if you want to get into it, needs to be learned.
05:16:41 <Ampera> While Ubuntu is alright if you need a quick Windows alternative, distros geared towards more advanced users like debian, arch, slackware, and gentoo tend to be better to learn with
05:16:52 <Ampera> as to get them to do anything you need to learn how it all works, which was how I got where I am now
05:17:05 <MrMobodies> I am always, willing to learn
05:17:33 <MrMobodies> learn how it works... important
05:17:35 <Ampera> I use Arch Linux, so I can give you the most advice with that, but there's all sorts of options
05:17:40 <Ampera> FreeBSD is also another fun thing to play with
05:18:22 <MrMobodies> I remember coming across a Zzoneminder that came wirh Arch Linux
05:18:49 <MrMobodies> Iit worked really well with 4 BT878 tuners
05:18:55 <rust_collector> if you have ever tried arch, back in the day, it is no longer the same
05:19:09 <MrMobodies> no just in 2011
05:19:22 <Ampera> It's a quite respectable distro with a lot of really nice features, and good stability for desktop use
05:19:41 <rust_collector> mmhmm, I don't remember when they changed.
05:19:57 <Ampera> I'm trying to give an indication of when I started using Linux
05:20:07 <Ampera> it was after Server 2016, but a good time before the advent of Proton
05:22:26 <MrMobodies> So when I get back, learn how it works, and do my experiments.
05:22:36 <rust_collector> if you just want to play with it, and see some of how things work, arch is not a bad start, I guess.
05:22:41 <Ampera> aye, arch linux's best asset is the arch linux wiki
05:23:20 <Ampera> I learned a lot of things the hard way, so remember google is your best friend, most problems can be solved by being slow and reading through what happened
05:23:50 <rust_collector> Hmm, I did an install something the other day (week) it was installed in the arch way, but I can not remember what it was
05:24:19 <rust_collector> weird
05:24:29 <MrMobodies> I have memory problems as well.
05:24:51 <MrMobodies> I got to go for my walk... and when I get back, make a start.
05:24:51 <Ampera> write things down I suppose
05:24:54 <Ampera> ciao
05:24:55 <MrMobodies> Oh yes
05:24:56 <MrMobodies> I will do
05:26:04 <rust_collector> humm, this thing had rc files, and... arrrgh, what was it
05:26:25 <rust_collector> meh, it is gone anyway.
05:27:02 <Ampera> rc files?
05:27:07 <Ampera> that doesn't sound much arch based
05:27:38 <rust_collector> I do not think I said it was arch based?
05:27:57 <Ampera> I thought by "installed in the arch way" you meant arch based
05:28:01 <rust_collector> I doubt it was, because I do not like installing arch
05:28:03 <Ampera> not sure how one installs something in the arch way
05:28:16 <Ampera> pointing the package manager at the root and pressing go?
05:28:20 <rust_collector> you chroot in and set it up, and blah blah
05:29:58 <AndrevS> arch-chroot and go, simple as that.
05:30:12 <AndrevS> I has to re-install my laptop because of hard disk faillure
05:30:24 <Ampera> there may or may not be one or two more steps beyond that
05:30:38 <Ampera> but once you've done it for the hundredth time, it's fairly easy
05:30:58 <rust_collector> it never was hard, it is just annoying
05:31:04 <AndrevS> Installing and configuring the bootloader, setting up the fstab
05:31:59 <AndrevS> I have this bootable USB stick, so when I put a new SSD in my laptop, just copied the content of that USB stick to the SSD.
06:01:46 <rust_collector> I want a small bulldozer
06:04:05 <DHess_US> I want a phased plasma rifle.
06:06:40 <rust_collector> do you need rifling for that?
06:07:38 <DHess_US> For historical reasons, the quadrupole focusing lenses are called rifling.
06:07:57 <rust_collector> neat
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09:53:09 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:53:16 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
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09:55:18 <Guest|78942> hi
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09:56:12 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:00:29 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
10:02:00 <steve30> Tomorrow is my birthday. I hope you've got me a good present :)
10:04:24 <rust_collector> you are turning into steve31?
10:04:37 <Halcyon> ;)
10:07:21 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:07:25 <Halcyon> :D
10:07:37 <Ampera> how do
10:07:50 <Halcyon> Not too bad, a little dusty this morning
10:07:54 * Halcyon sips coffee
10:08:00 <Halcyon> How about you?
10:08:12 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon
10:08:16 <Ampera> I just woke up from a small nap, and I had some intense dreams
10:08:28 <Halcyon> Mm I could do with a nap
10:09:04 <Ampera> I can't really recall what they were about, but they were intense flashes of my life, mostly the future
10:09:20 <Halcyon> Back to the Future :)
10:09:37 <rust_collector> did you see any excavators, or space ships?
10:10:51 <Ampera> no I mean a month to a few years into the future
10:11:02 <Ampera> all I saw was pain and struggling
10:11:14 <steve30> Halcyon, I'm looking forward to bed time; I put some clean sheets on :D
10:11:18 <Ampera> and worst of all, I saw happiness
10:11:25 * Halcyon slips into Steve's clean sheets
10:11:37 <Halcyon> Happiness? That must be just awful
10:12:11 <Ampera> I'm not joking, When I see myself happy in the future, or really just imagine another person, and being happy as that person, I feel awful afterwards
10:12:27 <Ampera> when I realize that's not me, and I'm so hurt and broken it may never be
10:12:47 <Ampera> it's honestly like a drug, where I chase a high of simply imagining myself being happy, but crash back to reality every single time
10:15:29 <Halcyon> :(
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10:16:31 <Ampera> all I can say is my mind is in a state of total hell right now, and I am in the process of losing my sense of self preservation
10:16:42 <Ampera> I don't think I care anymore what happens to me
10:18:04 * Halcyon nuzzles Ampera
10:19:28 <Ampera> did you see I fixed the EEVBlog, Halcyon?
10:19:31 <Ampera> I think even
10:19:33 <Ampera> eevblog status
10:19:33 <EEVBlog> Latest EEVBlog Retweet: Emily Velasco: Today is a finding-stuff day! Look at this e-waste! https://t.co/BY7XRU5Kbe
10:19:36 <Ampera> yeee
10:19:48 <Halcyon> What did you fix/
10:19:49 <Halcyon> ?
10:19:54 <Ampera> look at the third word
10:20:01 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
10:20:08 <Ampera> and the fourth and fifth
10:20:17 <Halcyon> I like it
10:20:22 <Ampera> it should no longer cut off retweets, and it should identify them.
10:20:51 <Ampera> There's also a functionality within quote tweets where it will put :which was quoting: and then the name and tweet of the quoted tweet
10:22:28 <Halcyon> You're pretty smart
10:22:45 <Ampera> it wasn't that hard
10:23:06 * Halcyon sips orange juice
10:23:12 <Ampera> I just hadn't getting around to digging through the library docs and fixing it
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11:00:08 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/puppies-rescued-in-nsw-bushfires/video/3f382971de226fac427d2640942c2ba5
11:00:11 <Halcyon> Puppies!
11:00:17 <Halcyon> Look how cute
11:00:25 <rust_collector> poopies!
11:00:52 <steve30> aww
11:00:56 <steve30> meow :)
11:01:06 <Halcyon> Hah
11:01:14 <rust_collector> yeah, better than cats
11:01:28 <Halcyon> Also, I accidentally left the seed bag outside overnight and the birds discovered it
11:01:46 <Halcyon> I saw them nomming on them all this morning
11:02:00 <steve30> hehe
11:17:28 * Ampera throws a cat at Halcyon
11:18:15 <Halcyon> Don't be mean to Minou
11:20:15 * rust_collector throws a bag full of dogs at Halcyon, just because /me thinks that is a thing to do
11:20:23 <rust_collector> hah, that didn't work
11:24:07 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
11:24:19 <Ampera> my friend and reason for not commiting suicide
11:29:05 <Halcyon> \o/
11:29:16 <Ampera> I have an orange guy sleeping where I'm supposed to be sleeping
11:29:16 <Halcyon> I'm OK. Didn't sleep much last night
11:29:21 <Ampera> why not
11:29:27 <Halcyon> Stayed up late.
11:29:28 <Ampera> eevblog time
11:29:29 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 11:29 Sydney time.
11:29:35 <Halcyon> Entertaining and such
11:29:45 <Ampera> were you all that entertaining?
11:30:59 <rust_collector> the guests had lots of fun putting makeup on him, after he fell asleep
11:31:17 <Ampera> rust_collector, why would they need to do that, he already looks like a whore
11:31:40 <rust_collector> well...
11:31:48 <Ampera> well water
11:31:58 * Ampera throws sulphur at rust_collector
11:32:01 <Halcyon> :P
11:32:04 <rust_collector> aah!
11:32:13 <Ampera> he looks like an adorible whore, though
11:32:13 <rust_collector> thanks
11:32:55 <rust_collector> that sharpie eyeliner really looks like any other eyeliner
11:33:00 <rust_collector> much cheaper
11:33:29 <steve30> I had Indian takeaway for dinner tonight. Yum.
11:36:03 <Ampera> I had NOTHING for dinner >:D
11:36:12 <Ampera> I will starve myself to death!
11:36:16 <Ampera> I don't even have to do anything
11:39:22 * Halcyon whores himself out to Ampera
11:39:49 <Ampera> ew, a faggot
11:40:07 <Ampera> why do you decide to be attracted to men so much
11:40:10 <Ampera> stop choosing to be gay
11:40:20 <Halcyon> It's fun :P
11:40:44 <Ampera> I wish I was gay :P
11:40:52 <Halcyon> :P
11:41:00 <Ampera> shit's gay, but not as gay as what I'm dealing with now
11:41:00 <Halcyon> Then be gay, it's a simple choice, darr
11:41:46 <Ampera> I wish I could chose to be normal :(
11:41:55 <Halcyon> *hugs*
11:42:22 <Halcyon> I'm going to go lay down for a bit
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13:36:36 <rust_collector> spring rolls sound like a thing I could nibble on now
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15:31:11 <Halcyon> Mmmm spring rolls
15:32:05 <rust_collector> oh, sorry, I thought you took a nap, so I ate them
15:32:16 <Halcyon> I did take a nap
15:32:30 <rust_collector> and they were pretty tasty
15:32:34 <Halcyon> Damn you
15:34:17 * Ampera snaps at Halcyon
15:34:38 <Ampera> how was your sleep
15:34:50 <Halcyon> Eh, I didn't really sleep, just kind of layed there
15:35:58 * Ampera lays there with Halcyon
15:37:04 <Halcyon> :)
15:37:06 <rust_collector> I think imaginary you should have a big round pink bed, that rotate
15:37:13 <Halcyon> Hahaha
15:37:16 <Halcyon> Random
15:38:06 <rust_collector> makes a nice change from the normal dark dungeon theme
16:34:24 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4ACsELjQQ
16:34:32 <Halcyon> Oh fuck, I would kill someone if I had friends like that
16:56:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, could you please kill me?
16:56:41 <Ampera> I'd appreciate it :>
16:59:01 <Halcyon> Nah
17:13:46 <Ampera> please?
17:13:53 <Ampera> :'(
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17:30:20 <BA> What about a teardown and review of the Keysight PA2203 power analyzer?
17:30:29 <Ampera> if you fix your client first :P
17:30:56 <Ampera> does Dave have a Keysight PA2203 power analyzer?
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17:31:47 <BA> Is the client something related to the nickname? Are you actually part of the EEVBlog?
17:32:36 <Ampera> client is the IRC client (in this case kiwiirc) you're using to connect
17:32:52 <Ampera> you were joining and leaving repeatedly which is somewhat considered spamming
17:33:09 <Ampera> and I help run the EEVBlog IRC.
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17:34:44 <BA> I just had to figure out this chat system? And i ended up rejoining a few times.
17:35:08 <Ampera> It's IRC. Nothing fancy. The web chat system is intended for short visits, but all regulars use dedicated clients
17:35:27 <Ampera> it
17:35:31 <Ampera> 's no problem, though
17:36:08 <BA> Could you tell Dave about the Keysight PA2203 power analyzer, and suggest a teardown and review of it, let alone obtaining one?
17:36:51 <Ampera> BA, I'm sure he'd love to tear one down, but it sounds particularly expensive
17:37:01 <Ampera> so unless you intend to buy him one
17:37:20 <Ampera> if you intend to contact dave, the EEVBlog forums tend to be more reliable, or an email directly to him
17:37:45 <BA> I’m sure Dave and Keysight can get together so Keysight can send him a review sample.
17:38:14 <Ampera> If you're Keysight and want to send him one, that'd be cool :P
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17:38:54 <Ampera> ciao
17:38:56 <Ampera> lol
17:39:25 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
17:39:31 <Ampera> hi T3sl4
17:39:33 <Ampera> how do
17:39:41 <T3sl4> it does
17:39:54 <Ampera> yee
17:40:03 <Ampera> going to texas roadhouse later today
17:40:04 <Ampera> never been
17:46:22 <T3sl4> texas whorehouse
17:53:06 <hsn93> !help
17:53:17 <hsn93> #bot
17:53:43 * hsn93 hugs tesla
17:54:04 <hsn93> /help
17:54:07 <hsn93> /commands
17:54:25 <hsn93> R"/Help"
17:55:01 <hsn93> hey @T3sl4
17:55:09 <hsn93> can i ask you for some advise?
17:55:22 <T3sl4> hi
17:57:51 <hsn93> i want to suggest to buy spectrum analyzer for purposes of pre-emc testing (which i have very very few details about)
17:57:56 <hsn93> to my company
17:58:01 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/HnpuZw.jpg
17:58:29 <hsn93> what do you think these are enough ?
18:01:24 <hsn93> its for railway application, the power bus would be connected to psu (shelf product not my design) [not like i know how to design one] .. then to my controller which takes 24vdc
18:04:12 <hsn93> my controller does basic control of small pneumatic valves and few sensors for pressure, water ,, etc ...
18:09:24 <T3sl4> i forget if the tekbox LISN thing is just one line or a few
18:09:35 <T3sl4> you want at least two, but more is always handy
18:10:45 <T3sl4> make sure all the cables, connectors etc are compatible, preferring one type (SMA?) or at least have enough adapters to use anything else
18:11:10 <hsn93> so this kit is enough to start tinkering with right ?
18:13:09 <T3sl4> could go with a much cheaper SA/DSA, but as long as you're on the budget you could pick up some other hardware
18:13:29 <T3sl4> antennas are handy but beware ambient noise, or have a field you can take things out to (open air testing)
18:14:31 <hsn93> most common and the one you prefer is sma / bnc ?
18:14:33 <T3sl4> obviously, a full test chamber would be best ;)
18:14:41 <T3sl4> i use BNC myself
18:14:50 <T3sl4> SMA is def popular
18:14:54 <hsn93> lol i know i cant get chamber of anytype :D
18:15:52 <hsn93> could some one measure ambient noise and then calibrate that to 0 ? and then test his product ?
18:16:10 <T3sl4> that's the idea
18:16:10 <hsn93> no, bcz the noise is not dc.. dump question never mind :D
18:16:31 <T3sl4> if ambient is over limit already, you don't know if the EUT is in there, though
18:17:30 <hsn93> if i go for antenna it means i need clean large room like 10meter or somthing ?
18:17:55 <hsn93> i though about small H / E field probes .. not enough ?
18:17:59 <hsn93> at my desk .
18:19:06 <T3sl4> you can get some ideas about radiated with a typical setup and antennas without the chamber, but you need to be careful of ambient
18:21:12 <T3sl4> a clamp probe might be cool
18:21:31 <T3sl4> since radiated is mostly conducted from cables
18:22:49 <Ampera> T3sl4 https://prnt.sc/qjjb3l
18:23:13 <Ampera> I've gotten Xpra shadowing to work, and it's pretty neat
18:23:33 <T3sl4> i'm your arch nemesis
18:23:34 <Ampera> it's sadly not optimized for video games, but it's otherwise quite cool
18:23:41 <Ampera> lol
18:24:15 <hsn93> what is that gnome ? on arch ?
18:25:11 <Ampera> it's KDE and Window Maker
18:27:17 <Ampera> I'm working on eliminating Window Maker as my mobile window environment, because I kinda like HiDPI
18:27:45 <Ampera> Right now I am forced to run an environment at a reduced resolution, so that I can, yaknow, see things
18:30:42 <Ampera> it depresses me how slow desktop development is on Linux. A lot of what I'm waiting for is fuckos like Wayland devs to get their shit together
18:31:04 <Ampera> or for Firefox to magically get vaapi support
18:31:45 <Halcyon> Hmm it's raining out
18:32:19 <hsn93> :D yeah open source = multi projects for same aim
18:32:51 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
18:32:55 <Ampera> how are you
18:32:55 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
18:32:57 <Halcyon> Tired
18:32:59 <Halcyon> How are you?
18:33:03 <Ampera> eevblog time
18:33:03 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 18:33 Sydney time.
18:33:21 <Ampera> I'm in the mood for trying to get things working better on my tablet
18:33:27 <Ampera> but whenever I do that, it never ends up
18:33:46 <hsn93> @T3sl4 any clamp probe brand u suggest ? i searched for rigol seems they dont have
18:34:02 <hsn93> or i couldnt find ..
18:34:03 <T3sl4> pearson
18:34:20 * Halcyon clamp probes T3sl4
18:34:28 * T3sl4 licks Halcyon
18:34:35 <Halcyon> :)
18:35:05 <T3sl4> Halcyon, it's no good as a cockring, you're too small
18:35:18 * Ampera electroshocks the gay out of both Halcyon and T3sl4
18:35:27 <Halcyon> Hah
18:35:33 <Halcyon> :P
18:35:36 <Halcyon> Pray the gay away
18:35:45 <T3sl4> hsn93: also the kind that's like a really long ferrite bead, usually used to inject signals, but works both ways
18:35:52 <Ampera> if that worked I would become religious like that
18:35:53 <T3sl4> i don't know what those are called or who makes em tho
18:47:57 <Halcyon> Wonderful, Greta Thunberg is in the news again
18:48:10 <Halcyon> I don't know why the media continues giving her airtime
18:49:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, because it makes boomers like you so excited
18:49:14 <Halcyon> Boomers?
18:50:21 <Ampera> yeah
18:50:24 <Ampera> boomers
18:50:26 <Ampera> like you
18:50:27 <Halcyon> She did say something correct though: "Because we still fail to make the connection between the climate crisis and increased extreme weather events and nature disasters like the #AustraliaFires"
18:50:36 <Halcyon> That's because there is no correlation
18:52:10 <Ampera> you ever think the reason why people manipulate children like Greta to go after random people for using straws is because they're after political power, not actually taking down the major manufacturing and industrial giants that actually cause the majority of the world's polution?
18:52:36 <Halcyon> Yes, I do think that
18:52:44 <Ampera> good
18:52:54 <Ampera> then your only failing is your sexuality
18:53:02 <Halcyon> Meh :P
19:00:14 <Ampera> it is 3AM
19:00:16 <Ampera> time to sleep
19:00:21 <Ampera> good bye, Halcyon
19:00:54 <Halcyon> Goodnight
19:43:09 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/1xlokLj.jpg
20:21:50 <hsn93> @eevblog any plans to go to discord?
20:22:23 <hsn93> they dance with satan
20:23:32 <hsn93> T3sl4 do u know about # symbols near fuducial marks ? what r they?
20:23:57 <T3sl4> just another kind of fiducial, iunno
20:24:02 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/wtL9p1.jpg <<
20:25:05 <hsn93> oh
20:25:06 <hsn93> ok
20:25:41 <T3sl4> note the round fids on the qfp corners
20:25:52 <T3sl4> and a few other places
20:27:39 <hsn93> yeah .. i thought new pcb manufacturers are quite accurate and dont need this much fuducial marks
20:28:03 <hsn93> for this size of clearances .. maybe for bgas .. i dunno
20:28:40 <hsn93> pcb assembly houses i mean ^
20:29:46 <T3sl4> not a bad idea to put more up close to fine pitch devices, but yeah not usually a big deal
20:31:14 <T3sl4> catloaf alert https://i.redd.it/u55u104khv841.jpg
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22:35:13 <steve30> *purr*
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