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01:44:04 <rust_collector> ooof, morning
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02:06:51 <Ysjoelfir> Hey all. nothing going on today?
02:08:42 <rust_collector> no, nothiung
02:10:04 <Ysjoelfir> meh
02:10:12 <Ysjoelfir> I'm playing "cities skylines"
02:10:37 <rust_collector> I am thinking about taking the o-scope apart, and see if I can clean some switches
02:11:11 <Ysjoelfir> found a map that is supposed to be simmilar to the Telemark Region. Wether it is or it is not, it is beautiful designed.
02:11:17 <Ysjoelfir> what osmelloscope?
02:11:41 <rust_collector> a map similar to telemark?
02:11:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes
02:12:04 <Ysjoelfir> for the game i was talking about
02:12:40 <rust_collector> oh, and telemark and vestfold was put in a blender, and poured back where they were already
02:13:09 <rust_collector> just so you know. we will have some very long "kommune" signs by the road
02:13:39 <Ysjoelfir> So it is now "Telemark y Vestfold"? Or more like... Telefold or Vestmark? https://snipboard.io/7qirtW.jpg
02:14:07 <rust_collector> it is telemark og vestfold, or the other way around, I dunno
02:14:47 <rust_collector> hmm, well, ok, they do not like having straight roads up there, so...
02:15:27 <Ysjoelfir> there is also a water power plant thing in the map. doesn't sound to far off to what I saw when I was there :P
02:15:50 <rust_collector> no, we have those everywhere
02:15:58 <rust_collector> you don't really see most of them
02:16:15 <Ysjoelfir> I found.... I think 4.
02:17:37 <rust_collector> yeah, sure, I mean, most are just some half large building, and nothing special
02:20:00 <Ysjoelfir> yep
02:20:12 <rust_collector> have you see the telemark canal?
02:20:52 <Ysjoelfir> no, should I?
02:21:20 <rust_collector> I almost have to say you should take a trip on that some time. It takes all day, but if the weather is nice, it is a great day out looking at trees and water
02:22:04 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a good idea :) I should start a list of places to visit
02:22:33 <rust_collector> you are on some old old boats, going thru a pretty interesting suystem of locks getting up and down the canal
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02:23:06 <rust_collector> https://www.telemarkcanal.com/
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02:23:33 <rust_collector> I think it is pretty damn expensive.... But you would only do it once every few decades
02:24:13 <Ysjoelfir> it looks pretty awesome in my oppinion :)
02:25:23 <rust_collector> The sane option, imo, is to take the boat one way, and just jump on a bus to go back, if you are going back
02:25:53 <rust_collector> it is a 2 hour or so bus ride
02:30:16 <rust_collector> the canal is following almost the same route as my job next week. Well, same as my job pretty much every week
02:30:41 <rust_collector> If you end up going there, let me know, because I do know a few things about the area
02:34:45 <Ysjoelfir> that would be cool :) it will be some time, though, as for the next big vacation the gf wants to go to her motherland USA
02:35:37 <rust_collector> pffft, what would she do there?
02:35:44 <Ysjoelfir> don't ask me.
02:35:50 <rust_collector> too late
02:35:58 <Ysjoelfir> :P
02:36:01 <Ysjoelfir> I have no clue
02:36:06 <Ysjoelfir> visiting family or so, I guess
02:36:12 <rust_collector> oh crap
02:36:20 <rust_collector> well, good luck with that
02:36:54 <Ysjoelfir> thanks, I will need that
02:37:47 <rust_collector> don't get deported to panama
02:38:08 <Ysjoelfir> XD
02:38:16 <Ysjoelfir> I do my very best
02:39:00 <rust_collector> what area is she from?
02:39:30 <Ysjoelfir> Texas :X
02:39:32 <rust_collector> Not that I know anything about it, as I have never been outside of europe
02:39:46 <rust_collector> ok. I have heard of this texas
02:41:49 <Ysjoelfir> she just told me that she heard about a norwegian "texas" slang word
02:42:15 <rust_collector> grandpa likes to tell stories that bring up his grandpa, which ran a brothel somewhere in texas, which makes my grandma clear her throat a lot, then go make some food or something
02:42:28 <Ysjoelfir> xD
02:43:20 <rust_collector> hmm, ok?
02:44:20 <Ysjoelfir> Google told me this:
02:44:22 <Ysjoelfir> Norwegians have actually come to use the word “Texas” as slang for “wild” or “crazy.” It doesn't refer to a person, but a chaotic atmosphere or state of mind. So instead of saying a party “was totally crazy!” they would say “det var helt texas!” which literally means “it was texas!”02.08.2019
02:44:42 <rust_collector> heh, yes, that is true
02:45:00 <rust_collector> it was completely texas
02:45:55 <Ysjoelfir> sounds actually pretty funny. Maybe I will take that into my vocabulary
02:49:00 <rust_collector> We had a guy writing "cowboy books" here. Texas makes me think of those books, lol
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02:49:12 <rust_collector> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Kane
02:50:52 <Ysjoelfir> I think i have heard from that guy :D
02:59:17 <steve30> I didn't have much luck with pfSense
03:05:17 <rust_collector> what didn't work?
03:05:41 <steve30> It doesn't seem to like my spare ethernet cards
03:06:15 <rust_collector> that could be a problem
03:08:42 <steve30> it seemed happy with the mobo's built in single Realtek gigabit ethernet, but didn't like my Realtek 10/100 pci cards
03:09:06 <steve30> It seemed OK with my Atheros PCI Wireless card, but didn't like the Realtek USB card.
03:20:49 <DHess_US> Weird. I'm running it and it likes my 10/100 Realtek PCI cards just fine.
03:21:38 <DHess_US> But I'm running an older Pfsense version.
03:22:01 <steve30> Don't know if it might be missing some drivers. I haven't really played with it much yet
03:22:29 <DHess_US> Shouldn't be. I'm running an older one because the current one doesn't support 32-bit hardware.
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03:22:57 <steve30> I wouldnt have minded trying it on a 32 bit machine, but couldn't find a download for the older version
03:24:19 <steve30> I figured a 32 bit version might work well on a thinkpad
03:26:40 <DHess_US> You need 2.3.5-RELEASE-p2 (i386)
03:27:16 <DHess_US> http://linorg.usp.br/pfsense/downloads/
03:27:59 <steve30> ooh, thanks
03:29:23 <DHess_US> You can run the build in update after it is installed and running.
03:29:43 <DHess_US> That's the last version which supports 32 bit hardware. I'm running it on a 1.2GHz Pentium4
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03:46:47 <Nothing\> waffle waffle waffle
03:47:24 <Nothing\> oh man, i've been using a QWERTY keyboard layout on my smart TV so much that DVORAK is starting to feel awkward :/
03:47:27 <coppice_> I wonder how much effort the distros are saving by dropping 32 bit i386 support, when they still need to ensure 32 bit works for ARM
03:47:51 <Nothing\> coppice_: yeah but would that ARM support be relevant for X86 architecture?
03:48:02 <Nothing\> i'd imagine you'd need to do things differently
03:48:12 <Ampera> eyyyy, Nothing\
03:48:14 <Ampera> what's up
03:48:21 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, oh you know same old same old
03:48:23 <Nothing\> how you doing?
03:48:27 <Ampera> I got a job.
03:48:34 <Nothing\> right on! doing what?
03:48:38 <Ampera> QA
03:48:45 <Nothing\> awesome, so you're a line worker?
03:48:49 <Ampera> er
03:48:51 <Ampera> wha?
03:48:54 <Ampera> no software
03:48:56 <Nothing\> like, on a factory line
03:48:58 <Nothing\> ahh
03:49:02 <rust_collector> he is going to test waffles
03:49:04 <coppice_> Nothing\: its much more about ensuring 32 bit machines still work OK. The issues between the Intel and ARM worlds are pretty much common to their 32 and 64 bit offerings
03:49:06 <Nothing\> no wait, i'm thinking quality control
03:49:17 <Ampera> It basically is quality control, but I test software
03:49:18 <Nothing\> coppice_: ah i see
03:49:28 <Ampera> it's for a quite large public sector company my dad works for.
03:49:33 <Nothing\> Ampera: that's pretty cool, so it's like you're getting paid to beta test?
03:49:35 <Nothing\> or alpha
03:49:49 <Ampera> well it's an already released product, I test new versions
03:49:53 <Ampera> so yes, unreleased code.
03:50:15 <Nothing\> rust_collector: i was gonna say that would be a pretty sweet gig, until i thought about how eating experimental waffles could make you go blind or lose your mind or something
03:50:24 <Nothing\> Ampera: sounds like a pretty sweet gig
03:50:33 <Nothing\> ooh lotsa horns blaring outside for some reason
03:50:43 <Nothing\> speaking of which, who else is getting this big ass storm right right?
03:50:52 <Ampera> storm?
03:50:55 <Ampera> you're Toronto, right?
03:50:55 <rust_collector> probably some middle eastern wedding
03:51:02 <coppice_> testing waffle? is this a government job?
03:51:03 <Nothing\> i was looking at it last night, it stretches from manitoba down to texas and from virgina over to wyoming, the thing is massive
03:51:11 <Ampera> oh
03:51:13 <Nothing\> coppice_: military, obviously
03:51:32 <Ampera> we might get a lick of it
03:51:40 <Nothing\> things just haven't been the same since raytheon merged with eggo
03:52:13 <Nothing\> yeah i'm in toronto, but it's affecting basically the entire east coast
03:52:23 <Ampera> not New England afaik
03:52:30 <Nothing\> nope, not for a few days probably
03:52:39 <DHess_US> All of the FreeBSD and Linux NAS distributions also dropped 32-bit support.
03:52:40 <Ampera> well if it's all moving east, then probably I'll get some
03:52:41 <Ampera> idk
03:52:46 <Nothing\> but it probably will hit you eventually
03:52:50 <Nothing\> yeah that's what i figure
03:52:51 <Ampera> DHess_US, more reason to just use FreeBSD :P
03:53:15 <Nothing\> any of you guys see that LGR video on the Y2K bug? i watched it last night and it was pretty good
03:53:15 <Ampera> I don't blame anyone for dropping IA-32 support, the first AMD64 chip came out around 16 years ago
03:53:45 <Ampera> that's the difference between about the 8086 and the Pentium.
03:53:56 <Nothing\> made me remember how for about 10-15 years i thought there was no real y2k bug because it seemed like such a non-event and the media didn't mention anything about the thousands of programmers who worked their asses off for countless hours to make sure it went smoothly
03:54:14 <coppice_> There are many Intel chips less than 10 years old that cannot run 64 bit code
03:54:40 <Nothing\> are there 64 bit arm chips? or is it a strictly 32 bit arc?
03:54:41 <Ampera> coppice_, how many of those are in use by NAS machines.
03:54:49 <Ampera> There's 64-bit ARM
03:54:52 <Nothing\> i'm guessing they're 32 bit to keep cost down, right?
03:54:56 <coppice_> Ampera: huge numbers of Atoms
03:55:08 <Ampera> lemme check on that actually, coppice_
03:55:35 <Ampera> huh you're right
03:56:47 <DHess_US> <Ampera> I don't blame anyone for dropping IA-32 support, the first AMD64 chip came out around 16 years ago
03:57:13 <DHess_US> True, but new IA-32 only chips were still manufacture red until recently.
03:57:15 <Ampera> When I say that, that's with the understanding that these are small time distributions, nothing mainline.
03:57:20 <DHess_US> Or may still be made for all I know.
03:57:50 <Ampera> Linux and FreeBSD will have it for the long forseable future, and anyone who might own IA-32 gear they want to use, will most likely be able to figure that stuff out themselves.
03:57:55 <coppice_> AMD64 came out more than 16 years ago, but Intel got their act together quite a bit later. How old is the oldest 64 bit Intel chip?
03:58:14 <Ampera> lemme check
03:58:16 <DHess_US> It would be a Pentium4
03:58:18 <Ampera> I want to say about as old
03:58:20 <Ampera> aye
03:58:38 <Ampera> Feb 1 2004 afaik
03:58:45 <DHess_US> I have just about the last motherboard which did not support the 64-bit pentium4.
03:59:07 <Ampera> AMD was 1 year earlier in 2003
03:59:10 <DHess_US> So the socket 775 or whatever after socket 478
03:59:25 <Ampera> socket 775 was 64-bit p4
03:59:40 <Ampera> 478 was the last socket to do IA-32 P4's
03:59:44 <DHess_US> Right, but there might have been some 64-bit P4s on Socket 478
03:59:45 <Ampera> unless you start counting mobile
03:59:55 <Ampera> not that I'm aware of
04:00:05 <DHess_US> The list of processors says there are anyway.
04:00:17 <Ampera> ah
04:00:27 <Ampera> apparently some of the 775 chips were IA-32 (P4's)
04:00:37 <DHess_US> I looked into it twice thinking I might upgrade my old Pentium4 hardware.
04:00:38 <Ampera> I know Prescott was a split generation, some chips IA-32 some chips Intel 64
04:01:09 <coppice_> At the time it seemed the time between an AMD 64 bit chip and an Intel one seemed much longer. Was that 2004 launch a paper launch?
04:01:27 <coppice_> It would certainly have been a long time until Intel was shipping mostly 64 bit chips
04:01:48 <Ampera> I do know that 2004 had consumer Intel 64 Pentium 4's, as I investigated performance computing for that era
04:02:20 <Ampera> Revision E0 of Prescott
04:02:26 <coppice_> Ampera: in those days the time between a launch and volume shipment was a lot longer than now
04:02:42 <Ampera> Yeah I know I'm trying to look it up
04:03:54 <Ampera> The point being, for smaller distros like FreeNAS, who would be glad to give up the task of supporting another arch like that, I'm not mad that they're discontinuing IA-32 support.
04:04:14 <coppice_> actually, Intel's process problems are taking us back to the days when launch and volume shipments were well separated
04:04:17 <Ampera> since I can always, or at least for the foreseeable future use plain FreeBSD
04:04:36 <Ampera> How is Intel's 10nm process and shipments doing right now anyways?
04:04:43 <Ampera> are they shipping desktop chips proper now?
04:05:15 <DHess_US> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27453/intel-pentium-4-processor-511-1m-cache-2-80a-ghz-533-mhz-fsb.html
04:05:30 <coppice_> I think they may be trying to skip past 10nm and go straight to 7nm as they volume process
04:05:59 <DHess_US> ^ Socket 478 Pentium4 with 64-bit ^
04:06:36 <DHess_US> Inte's 10nm process has the same minimum feature size as TSMC's 7nm
04:06:51 <DHess_US> The two companies do not measure the same thing.
04:07:19 <coppice_> I still have a dual xeon machine with 32 bit only processors, although it hasn't been turned on for a while
04:07:59 <Ampera> Are they even shipping 10nm desktop CPUs atm?
04:08:02 <Ampera> I know they are for mobile.
04:08:17 <Ampera> DHess_US, huh, that's got me wrong then
04:08:27 <coppice_> DHess_US: its more complex than that. its not just a scaling factor that separates their measurements
04:08:46 <Ampera> coppice_, I have a similar machine, IBM eServer 235
04:08:54 <DHess_US> Intel hasn't used their 10nm process for anything except mobile that I know of.
04:09:03 <Ampera> one of my wackier machines.
04:09:24 <Ampera> and AMD has been shipping TSMC 7nm since, what, Q2 of last year?
04:09:46 <DHess_US> coppice_, I have a dual 900MHz 2M Xeon Pentium3 that I just retired. I may refurbish it and stick linux/freebsd on it.
04:09:56 <coppice_> Intel have been showing off various things in 7nm, but do they actually ship 7nm parts?
04:09:58 <DHess_US> It needs new processor fans.
04:10:11 <Ampera> coppice_, they barely ship 10nm so I'd hazard a no
04:10:37 <DHess_US> wikichip might say
04:10:48 <coppice_> DHess_US: my dual xeon is a pentium 4 machine, that sounds like a gas turbine
04:10:51 <Ampera> wikichip is nice, but they don't always have the most up to date or complete info
04:11:21 <Ampera> I'd love to use my dual P4 Xeon machine, but it's moderately unstable and has a mind of its own
04:11:33 <Ampera> It's enjoying its retirement, and it not happy to be brought out of it
04:11:43 <DHess_US> coppice_, my P3 machine has massive passive cooling on the slot 2 processors.
04:11:49 <DHess_US> Each process is the size of an Intel NUC box.
04:11:58 <Ampera> I have, as of yet, only ever been able to install anything off PXE, which means no FreeBSD
04:12:06 <Ampera> which would be the ideal operating system for it
04:12:12 <DHess_US> My dual xeon P3 ran basically continuously for 20 years.
04:12:36 <DHess_US> It used to host my guild forum for EQ.
04:12:37 <coppice_> DHess_US: doesn't slot 2 make it a P2, or is it one of those transitional fudged machines?
04:12:44 <Ampera> speaking of running continuously, my PBX has been running perfectly well
04:12:48 <Ampera> operating FreeBSD 12.1
04:13:00 <DHess_US> coppice_, Intel secret development machine
04:13:16 <Ampera> They didn't have official P3 Xeons on Slot 2?
04:13:21 <DHess_US> Friend sent it to me from the Intel labs.
04:13:22 <Ampera> or am I misunderstanding
04:13:30 <Ampera> I could have sworn they did
04:13:49 <coppice_> A P3 running for 20 years is most unusual. that was about the peak point for connectors that went brittle very quickly
04:14:47 <DHess_US> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=27572
04:15:14 <DHess_US> I'm not sure if the processors in mine are marked intel secret. I'll go grab one. I need to measure the fans anyway.
04:16:34 <Ampera> Wikipedia claims they had officially released P3 Xeons on Slot 2
04:16:37 <Ampera> but that is Wikipedia so who knows
04:17:13 <Ampera> Wikichip claims the same.
04:18:00 <Ampera> Anyways, I'm going to figure out something to eat
04:18:02 <Ampera> bbl
04:21:39 <DHess_US> Hmm, mine has a sticker over the part number on the case which makes me think they took the case from a different CPU and stuck a research CPU in it.
04:22:04 <DHess_US> CASCADES D3 2Meg 900 Mhz 2.8V
04:23:00 <DHess_US> That is consistent with Wikipedia
04:23:16 <DHess_US> So this was probably the test sample from before it was officially released.
04:23:39 <DHess_US> I have a pair of 600MHz P2s which are marked Intel Secret
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04:33:14 <DHess_US> wow, that sure didn't work
04:33:18 <DHess_US> fucking google
04:33:25 <Ysjoelfir> xD
04:35:48 <AndrevS> what's going on?
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04:40:17 <rust_collector> my scope has an x-axis input on the back. when would typically use that?
04:40:33 <rust_collector> no, z axis
04:41:34 <Ysjoelfir> It modulates the brightnes of the scope. But I don't know what you would use that for either
04:43:43 <rust_collector> it does not have many things in it. but I think it looks good.
04:47:15 <rust_collector> same as inside hard drives. in a different way. it is just pretty
04:48:47 <DHess_US> rust_collector, analog CRT oscilloscope?
04:49:21 <DHess_US> An external curve tracer would use the z-axis input to blank the beam during retrace if required.
04:49:33 <rust_collector> yes, analog crt
04:49:34 <DHess_US> TV demodulation would use it for intensity
04:49:50 <DHess_US> You can actually decode analog TV to directly drive an oscilloscope.
04:50:47 <rust_collector> the time switch does have tv-h and tv-v ranges
04:50:53 <DHess_US> Oh, and if you had a frequency counter hooked up in parallel with the oscilloscope, then the ARM and Trigger out signals can be used to intensity the display to show where the measurement is being made.
04:51:15 <DHess_US> That's for selecting whether the trigger is off of the horizontal or vertical sync.
04:52:19 <DHess_US> But as a practical matter, you will never need the z-axis input unless you want to use the oscilloscope as a vector graphics display.
04:56:14 <rust_collector> hmm, well, it is there. so that I good, I guess. It has a very beefy link bar thing between the posts.
04:56:56 <rust_collector> well, I guess I will just put the cover back on. I can not find my contact cleaner, so I will leave it in one piece until I find that
05:02:01 <DHess_US> The link bar connects the blanking signal from the sweep generator.
05:02:22 <DHess_US> Which I think means the z-axis input is AC coupled.
05:02:30 <DHess_US> That must be an old oscilloscope.
05:03:02 <rust_collector> it is not new... that is for sure. but I think I saw somewhere it was from 83
05:03:20 <DHess_US> Huh. Like from Kenwood? Who made it?
05:03:26 <DHess_US> Err, I mean Leader?
05:03:29 <rust_collector> kikusui
05:04:16 <rust_collector> model 5520. it seems very very basic, but it looks great
05:05:07 <rust_collector> I have a thing for that shade of blue, I think
05:09:51 <DHess_US> Ah, TV-V and TV-H just indicate the appropriate sweep speeds.
05:10:27 <DHess_US> Which is odd because it does not support TV triggering.
05:11:56 <rust_collector> the manual says it has tv mode.
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05:14:04 <rust_collector> Well, it is not like I even have a tv, so...
05:14:46 * T3sl4 base64 encodes DHess_US's rectum
05:16:00 <DHess_US> Well, 20 MHz is 17.5 nanosecond rise time so good enough for most switching regulators.
05:19:42 <rust_collector> that is nice.
05:20:24 <rust_collector> I am not expecting much from this thing. I just saw it for sale, and figured I would get it
05:21:09 <DHess_US> Nothing wrong with it and it will serve better than many modern cheap DSOs in some cases.
05:21:53 <DHess_US> Might be a good candidate for a curve tracer attachment.
05:22:14 <rust_collector> I have one of those owon usb scopes for the pc, if I need that, but it has (I think) pretty similar specs
05:23:13 <rust_collector> hmm, so a component tester, pretty much?
05:28:27 <rust_collector> that could be a nice project, I guess
05:31:26 <DHess_US> They can be used for that but are usually more associated with testing transistors.
05:32:14 <rust_collector> ok
05:32:50 <DHess_US> https://www.ebay.com/c/1500692003
05:44:25 <rust_collector> I am annoyed about not finding my cleaner. We have plenty at work, for some reason, but I am not going to work until wednesday
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05:46:06 <rust_collector> I do wonder why we have boxes of it at work. we are a transport company with forklifts and trucks.
05:46:17 <rust_collector> maybe they fell off a truck
05:58:51 <Ysjoelfir> maybe the forklifts just have many buttons that need cleaning
05:59:25 <rust_collector> nope, they need cleaning, but they have very very few buttons
06:02:50 <rust_collector> there is a couple of cats outside
06:03:07 <rust_collector> OOOOOAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOWWWWWWWOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO
06:03:54 <Ysjoelfir> like the standard cat or more like the big yellow cats with diesel engines?
06:04:13 <rust_collector> tiny ones with fur
06:04:23 <rust_collector> do they have fur, or just hair?
06:05:45 <Ysjoelfir> ours have... soft material.
06:06:10 <rust_collector> urethane foam?
06:07:37 <Ysjoelfir> could be?
06:07:45 <rust_collector> makes sense
06:08:31 <rust_collector> I think I would prefer having a noisy clatterpillar outside, to these soft noisy things
06:09:23 <rust_collector> if she floats she is a duck
06:09:40 <rust_collector> or was it a coconut?
06:13:46 <Ysjoelfir> I guess both float
06:14:32 <rust_collector> mmhmm, so cats and coconuts, witches and ducks are really the same thing
06:15:23 <Ysjoelfir> You can't beat logic, so... yes. :)
06:16:13 <coppice_> not the same thing. just the same weight
06:18:33 <rust_collector> riight
06:47:34 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should try to just drag some strips of paper thru the contacts, and see if that will clean them up enough
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06:57:32 <DHess_US> through what contacts?
06:57:54 <DHess_US> non-clay bearing paper with solvent is good for cleaning gold contacts
07:00:19 <rust_collector> I am not completely sure yet, because I can just almost see them in between all the stuff. but they could be just copper or gold plated
07:01:30 <rust_collector> it is on the voltage range switches
07:08:36 <DHess_US> voltage range switches in what?
07:09:08 <DHess_US> Use some 3x5 or business card stock.
07:10:12 <rust_collector> the o-scope
07:10:25 <rust_collector> maybe not range, but voltage/division
07:12:31 <DHess_US> Yea, those need to be cleaned without using anything abrasive. They might just use wafer switches in which case just lubricate them with contact cleaner and operate them for a bit.
07:12:57 <DHess_US> Wafer switches work fine up to 50 MHz or so.
07:13:41 <DHess_US> https://www.surplussales.com/Images/Switches/Rotary/swr-pa300-456_lg.jpg
07:14:58 <DHess_US> https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rotary-switches/0352200/
07:15:51 <rust_collector> yeah, from what I can see, that is the same style
07:16:40 <DHess_US> Can't really clean them but adding contact cleaner and lubricant and operating them will do the job.
07:20:00 <DHess_US> Huh, http://www.cpushack.com/2019/10/01/the-story-of-the-ibm-pentium-4-64-bit-cpu/
07:23:58 <DHess_US> Looks like you can buy them for $75
07:33:11 <DHess_US> "Windows 7 x64 ran with a bang, no problems arose. But already with the installation of Windows 8.1 there were problems, or rather, there was only one problem – the lack of the NX-bit’s processor, and without this «feature» installation of a modern OS is impossible."
07:33:18 <DHess_US> ^ That was why I gave up on it.
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07:59:27 <rust_collector> hmm, it looks like someone has been in here with a q-tip, and left most of one in the switch
08:06:43 <Ysjoelfir> that sound not very helpful
08:23:51 <rust_collector> I think you are correct
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09:13:17 <rust_collector> well, that is something. it is at least less bad than it was
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12:07:04 <rust_collector> pom pom pom
12:17:52 * T3sl4 cheerleads rust_collector
12:18:39 <rust_collector> dance dance jump jump bounce bounce pom pom pom
12:39:50 * Ampera hugs T3sl4
12:40:01 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
12:40:14 <T3sl4> also, rust_collector: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1ca1-_-MY
12:40:25 <Ampera> lol -_-
12:40:37 * T3sl4 licks Ampera
12:40:45 * Ampera licks T3sl4
12:41:04 * T3sl4 frenches Ampera
12:41:15 * Ampera germans T3sl4
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12:42:20 * Ampera hears The Internationale in the distance
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15:05:02 <Ampera> hi DogWomble
15:05:08 <DogWomble> hey ampera :)
15:05:16 <Ampera> Halcyon's in Canberra iirc, is he gone to harass you?
15:05:23 <DogWomble> not yet
15:05:32 <Ampera> /yet/
15:05:38 <Ampera> is he on vacation or something?
15:05:46 <DogWomble> i'm actually not sure
15:05:47 <Ampera> or is it just a weekend out
15:07:32 * T3sl4 wobbles a Tim Tam at DogWomble
15:08:11 * Ampera slips his slim "Jim" into T3sl4
15:08:20 * DogWomble gives T3sl4 a tim tam slammer
15:08:27 <T3sl4> :D
15:08:37 <Ampera> :D))))
15:08:41 <Ampera> quadruple chin action
15:09:45 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera's chins individually
15:10:14 <Ampera> I need to create a subscriber set for a Model 102 telephone
15:10:28 <Ampera> preferably one with a dial in it, because this one is a model without a dial
15:10:48 <Ampera> only problem is, besides a bell and a dial, which are simple enough, I don't really know what goes into one
15:11:30 <DogWomble> i believe it contains some bits and pieces, some magic and maybe a l;ittle bit of wd40 and duct taope
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22:58:30 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Ampera1
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23:19:23 <rust_collector_> heh, a frest Ampera1 and a fresh EEVBot. And I wake up while the sun is up.
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