// #eevblog — 2020-01-03
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01:21:36 <hsn> hey
01:22:07 <hsn> what r these # near the fuducial marks ? https://snipboard.io/xy5peG.jpg
01:39:45 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwfbYtvUOw :D
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08:00:38 * Ampera shakes Halcyon awake
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08:25:02 <orbii> poor halcyon
08:25:49 <rust_collector> nah, it is about time he wakes up ang goes home from work
08:44:14 <orbii> i suppose i need to organise utilities at the new rental today
08:44:26 <orbii> get it organised for a few weeks out
08:50:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1275 – Uniden UHF Walkie Talkie Teardowns https://t.co/ZUD1Oe1XA6
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09:33:40 <orbii> smoke is a lot clearer today. i'm relieved about that.
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10:26:41 <MrMobodies> Just experimenting with a Toshiba Flashair W-04.
10:27:13 <MrMobodies> I got it on a sata card reader.
10:27:56 * Halcyon tickles Ampera
10:27:56 <Ampera> That's an interesting concept
10:28:03 <Ampera> so it's a wireless NAS in an SD card?
10:28:04 <Halcyon> YAY Orbii
10:28:07 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
10:28:09 <MrMobodies> after formatting with dos, it still can boot into dos on it and remotely transfer files.
10:28:20 * Ampera cracks his neck, beating orbii to the punch
10:28:20 <MrMobodies> it still can read the config to join the wifi
10:28:44 <MrMobodies> and remotely transfer files to (not the root folder) but the shared folders that are automatically shared
10:29:11 <MrMobodies> but after opeing the folders, create of files and folders and they won't appear until next boot
10:30:16 <Ampera> how do, Halcyon?
10:30:19 <MrMobodies> I can make a folder on the sdcard from the network side. It will show but only if the folder it is in hasn't already been opened
10:30:24 <MrMobodies> oh
10:30:41 <MrMobodies> Not Nas
10:30:42 <MrMobodies> SDCARD
10:30:49 <Ampera> but what does it do
10:31:01 <Ampera> it's quite obviously not a normal SD card
10:31:01 <MrMobodies> Used in cameras
10:31:09 <MrMobodies> so you can remotely transfer files
10:31:14 <MrMobodies> similar to EyeFi
10:31:21 <Ampera> but what is different about them
10:31:24 <Ampera> what makes them do that
10:31:29 <Ampera> do they have wlan chipsets in them?
10:31:30 <MrMobodies> but I can set it into infrastructure mode
10:31:35 <MrMobodies> Yes they do
10:31:46 <Ampera> ah, but they require the camera to support it and stuff
10:31:51 <MrMobodies> No
10:31:53 <MrMobodies> they
10:32:00 <MrMobodies> join when they are powere dup
10:32:13 <Ampera> so they're a wireless NAS in an SD card?
10:32:23 <MrMobodies> yes
10:32:32 <Ampera> well I just said that :P
10:32:35 <MrMobodies> for development use too
10:32:37 <MrMobodies> oh NAS
10:32:44 <Ampera> That's quite neat.
10:32:45 <MrMobodies> I misread nas
10:32:55 <MrMobodies> Wwhen I take pictures
10:33:06 <MrMobodies> they get copied across
10:33:10 * Halcyon coffees the channel
10:33:25 <Ampera> Shepherd's pie is probably done soon-ish
10:33:31 <Halcyon> Hey those little SD card Wi-Fi things are cool
10:33:37 <Halcyon> Mmmm pie
10:33:42 <MrMobodies> When I get my Hp thing going
10:33:48 <MrMobodies> You can all have a play on that as well
10:33:52 <Halcyon> Nice :)
10:33:54 <Ampera> Honestly I'd just rather simply a large SD card
10:34:06 <Halcyon> Yes but that's boring Ampera
10:34:09 <Halcyon> Where's the fun?
10:34:21 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:34:21 <MrMobodies> It has a CPU on it, a little bit of ram, wifi controller and the flash module
10:34:33 <Ampera> MrMobodies, it blows my mind what they can do with SD cards
10:34:36 <MrMobodies> does load config if formatted to NTFS
10:34:46 <Ampera> every time I hold a high capacity uSD card, I just can't believe it
10:34:50 <MrMobodies> They can get so much in
10:35:13 <Ampera> they have fucking 1TB uSD cards almost out rn, and 512GB uSD at like 80 bucks
10:35:28 <Ampera> 80 fucking dollars for half a TB on chip smaller than my fingernails
10:36:45 <MrMobodies> I could get them but for what I brought it for, I get something of Ebay, take pictures and when I open a case, they are already waiting.
10:36:59 <MrMobodies> I mean something dodgy off ebay
10:37:12 <Halcyon> Ampera, yep it's pretty amazing
10:37:25 <MrMobodies> I use robocopy just to copy the new photos
10:37:36 <MrMobodies> Some cameras have problems
10:37:38 <Ampera> brb going to see how close to done it is
10:37:56 <MrMobodies> If you delete all the photos, it no long saves them until turnit on/off
10:39:17 <MrMobodies> Also I got some IDE to SDcard converters, so I don't need to mess about looking and loading drivers for the old stuff.
10:39:50 <Ampera> it's currently in the shallots in a pan stage of cooking
10:40:06 <MrMobodies> doing some cooking?
10:44:46 <Ampera> MrMobodies, my grandfather is
10:47:04 <MrMobodies> I think I need another cup of coffee to get sober to combat the wine and cheese.
10:47:34 <Halcyon> Mmmm wine and cheese
10:47:41 <Halcyon> Sounds like an idea for lunch
10:51:30 <MrMobodies> with pickle and biscuits
10:52:58 <Halcyon> Of course
10:53:01 <Halcyon> And olives
10:53:02 <Halcyon> Yum
10:53:26 <Halcyon> I have my folks coming over soon, so a light lunch of nibbles is a great idea (plus I need to wine to handle my mother)
10:53:27 <Halcyon> :P
10:54:10 <MrMobodies> wine to handle your mother?
10:54:18 <Halcyon> Yes, she fusses over everything
10:54:18 <EEVBlog> 42, Halcyon!
10:54:23 <MrMobodies> aah
10:54:23 <Halcyon> Thanks EEVblog
10:54:41 <Halcyon> Wine is like liquid attenuation :P
10:54:41 <MrMobodies> that's who I got mine own extension
10:54:57 <Ampera> I plan to extend the EEVBot to have some better artificial intelligence and real log parsing
10:55:23 <Ampera> maybe I'll do that here, because I actually do greatly enjoy working on the eevbot
10:55:35 <Halcyon> :D
10:56:01 <Halcyon> I was half expecting a happy new year message from EEVBot
10:56:10 <Halcyon> One for each time zone would be kind of cool :P
10:56:18 <Ampera> I'll keep that in mind for 2020
10:56:21 <Ampera> *2021
10:56:40 <Ampera> I'll just need to figure out how I want to implement the AI without it being too annoying.
10:56:58 <Ampera> I think I want it to be a middle ground between autodave and stock responses
11:04:23 <MrMobodies> the bot announcements sound good for the Twitter ones.
11:04:37 <MrMobodies> Another ThunderF00t video.
11:05:07 <Ampera> I've thought about expanding the announcement system to messaging people who subscribe to various things
11:05:14 <Halcyon> Maybe a subscription thing?
11:05:18 <Halcyon> So the bot PMs you
11:05:25 <Ampera> lol I just said that
11:05:28 <Halcyon> \o/
11:05:32 <MrMobodies> That sounds good
11:05:34 <Halcyon> Big Clive would be my pick
11:05:45 <Ampera> I also plan to do IRC stats, and need to basically smash together a load of logs to ensure I have everything
11:05:50 <Halcyon> I think if we add too much to the channel, it will just start getting flooded with crap
11:05:57 <Ampera> and then do some annoying HTML bullshit and plop it on my website
11:05:58 <Halcyon> Although we can always just beta test it and see
11:06:16 <Ampera> the point is not to increase the bot'
11:06:21 <Ampera> s presence, but to increase its functionality
11:06:50 <Halcyon> Any logs though Ampera, can I ask that they are disposed of properly after being parsed? I know this is IRC etc... but still, some people get funny about things being recorded
11:06:51 <MrMobodies> Can Dave's auto generated transcripts from his youtube videos be used at some point?
11:07:02 <MrMobodies> to lookup things from the bot in future, just an idea?
11:07:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, nope, everything in here is recorded by me personally.
11:07:23 <Halcyon> And here too, but it's all encrypted on this end
11:07:26 <Ampera> They will not be publically available by me, only statistics.
11:07:44 <Ampera> If someone put personal information on IRC that's their fault.
11:07:48 <Halcyon> Agreed
11:07:54 <Halcyon> It was just a suggestion
11:08:04 <Ampera> I wouldn't mind blanking stuff out of logs if it was somehow critical, but I'm not deleting logs.
11:08:16 <Halcyon> I just don't see the point of keeping them?
11:08:16 <Ampera> Afaik I have every single message that has ever been sent in this channel since its inception.
11:08:31 <Ampera> So I can do long term stats, and becuase it might be fun to go through them at some point in the future
11:08:38 <Ampera> they also take up very little data and I enjoy hoarding
11:08:39 <Halcyon> Mmmk that's fair
11:08:52 * Halcyon gives Ampera a long term stat
11:08:58 <Halcyon> Anyway gotta run, back later
11:09:00 <Ampera> ciao
11:12:34 <orbii> huh. it's 2020.
11:15:48 <Ampera> it is
11:17:44 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
11:18:48 * Ampera chugs T3sl4
11:19:21 <T3sl4> you've been talking to that mr sandman again, haven't you!
11:21:43 <Ampera> Netbeans works perfectly over Xpra
12:17:37 <orbii> i know what some of those words mean
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13:12:54 <Ampera> going to bring eevbot down so I can work on him, that doesn't mean new stuff will come, but I can't have two instances running at the same time because of twitter api rate limiting
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13:30:23 <Ampera> Good news, I believe I've fixed the bot chopping off retweets
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13:37:46 <Ampera> eevblog status
13:37:46 <EEVBlog> Latest EEVBlog Tweet:
13:37:52 <Ampera> eevblog status
13:37:53 <EEVBlog> Latest EEVBlog Tweet:
13:37:56 <Ampera> gg
13:38:39 <Ampera> eevblog status
13:38:40 <EEVBlog> Latest EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1275 - Uniden UHF Walkie Talkie Teardowns https://t.co/7c0NujUNvA
13:38:56 <Ampera> it takes a bit to initialize :P
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16:18:18 * Halcyon licks Ampera
17:15:15 * T3sl4 licks Ampera
17:15:33 * Halcyon licks T3sl4, licking Ampera
17:16:25 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
17:16:29 <Halcyon> :D
17:18:01 <T3sl4> on the upside, you can just leave meat outside and smoke it for free, right?...
17:18:31 <Halcyon> I can't. There is no smoke where I am
17:18:39 <Halcyon> The flies would just get it
17:18:56 <T3sl4> flies ew
17:19:00 <Halcyon> Yup
17:20:20 <DHess_US> Random stuff burning doesn't make the kind of smoke you want.
17:21:56 <T3sl4> DHess_US: i'm trying to make a joke, thanks
17:22:23 * Halcyon throws burnt bits of bark at T3sl4
17:22:31 * T3sl4 woofs at Halcyon
17:45:56 * Halcyon sniffs T3sl4's behind
17:46:19 * T3sl4 putts split pea and lentil soup
17:46:33 <T3sl4> would you like a bowl? it's quite good for vegetarian :)
17:46:51 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
17:47:10 * T3sl4 coughs at Ampera
17:47:13 * T3sl4 hugs at Ampera
17:47:25 <Halcyon> I actually have pea and ham soup here
17:47:26 <Halcyon> It's nummy
17:47:45 <Halcyon> I actually feel like going out tonight for something different.
17:48:27 <Ampera> I just woke up
17:48:31 <Ampera> going to go back to sleep in a bit
17:48:50 <T3sl4> :)
17:48:59 <T3sl4> i have some ham here that i'll put in the soup later, i think
17:49:04 <T3sl4> it'll be very good
17:49:10 <Ampera> Still thinking about how to implement AI with the EEVBot
17:49:30 <T3sl4> also, i'm just back from karaoke, which was nice now that i'm not in a cold anymore
17:50:06 <Ampera> I've thought about doing something funny like making a map of the most commonly used words, and then having responses from the bot be constructed based on how what strings sent to it reflect upon that list
17:50:32 <T3sl4> markov chains?
17:51:01 <Ampera> nope
17:52:00 <Ampera> let's say we get frequency values from a string of 126 238 24 2195 205 284, the bot would take those values, and using data it's gotten from the log, reply with ballpark words that are close to as frequent, in the same order.
17:52:37 <Ampera> basically just taking words, some random numbers, and smashing shit together
17:52:59 <T3sl4> so, DaveBot from the other channel
17:53:13 <Ampera> AutoDave? He does something a bit fancier than what I'm saying.
17:53:27 <Ampera> I forget what, but he uses some classical AI implementation of something or rather
17:53:45 <T3sl4> .
17:53:57 <Ampera> I could also try to get fancier and use a dictionary to identify words as noun/verb/adjective/etc and program definitive sentence structures
17:54:12 <T3sl4> markov chains are a matrix of probabilities of symbols following symbols
17:54:32 <Ampera> I really am not within my league with AI, I understand some concepts, but know zero terms, or if what I'd be doing is a markov chain
17:55:01 <DogWomble> do wee yet know when artificial intelligence will replcae natural stupidity?
17:55:02 <T3sl4> symbols might be individual letters, in which case you want to track with a pretty high probability to form words, but if you use words as symbols then you get that classic word salad that's spelled more or less right but makes no sense
17:55:57 <T3sl4> i in turn don't know enough about what's different between markov and hidden and anti- chains, i only know the jist of it
17:56:03 <Ampera> What I could also do is make some sort of neural net, in which it constructs sentences on a success/failure model
17:56:33 <Ampera> and then just try to find literally as much arbitrary english writing as possible, and show it what real sentences look like
17:56:49 <Ampera> then implement maybe something like a "bad EEVBlog" command that signals it as a failure.
17:57:28 <T3sl4> can always load up the latest convolutional network and just plug shit in and see what happens
17:57:40 <T3sl4> won't take much GPU time as a running thing, i would guess/hope
17:57:50 <Ampera> but then I can't amuse myself with it :P
17:58:02 <Ampera> lol GPU time, I'd throw raw CPU power at it
17:58:08 <Ampera> like I even /have/ GPU time
17:58:59 <Ampera> I do suppose, though, that the card supports CUDA that I have in there, so I could in theory offload something
17:59:55 <T3sl4> you'd want to, it's more efficient
18:00:44 <Ampera> I'd also have to learn, what is it, GLSL?
18:01:22 <T3sl4> just pop open the ML toolkit and start it learning from plaintext stream(s)
18:01:28 <Ampera> This program is also running on Java for a quick and dirty implementation, so if I'm worried about performance I might as well look into porting itto something else
18:02:15 <Ampera> At the end of the day I'd rather do my own experiment, I can always limit how much it tries to AI, and I have enough CPU time to where I don't mind it sitting there eating a bunch
18:02:35 <Ampera> I can always buy a RasPi 4 or a Jetson nano and have it run 24/7 on that
18:04:40 <Ampera> I'd like to port the bot to C++, but the two issues is that I'd have to write my own IRC and networking code, and I'd have to find some entirely different and unique solution for Twitter
18:08:21 <Ampera> At the end of the day, tis' a small hobby project, so it probably won't get anything close to that complexity
18:10:35 <T3sl4> java native :P
18:11:26 <Ampera> Well it was my first programming language, and it has a lot of libraries to do random shit easier
18:45:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! The Australian Bushfires https://t.co/OagXjKo4F3
18:47:38 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon aggressively
19:18:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: That's Melbourne. The smoke is starting to clear, I can actually see buildings now https://t.co/l1wxSXyRkC
19:28:12 * DogWomble hands Ampera a box of tissus
19:28:27 * Ampera hugs DogWomble
19:28:40 <Ampera> so are you still on fire
19:32:47 <DogWomble> yeah very much on fire
19:33:07 <DogWomble> well where i am is not on fire but we're getting a lot of smoke from fires nto too far away
19:33:46 <DogWomble> tomororw's going to be the test though - we're on a State of Alert for tomorrow, which means they're monitoring things very closely and gives the authorities a bit mroe power to act quickly should the wheels fall off
19:34:28 <Ampera> Martial law, I'm excited to see the military rape women and steal children
19:34:40 <Ampera> We should have some good martial law here, that would be neat
19:35:37 <DogWomble> well it's not so much martial law - my understanding is it's more removing some of the red tape the emergency services authority would have to go through to deploy resources
19:35:58 <DogWomble> basically from what I can understand whatever the ESA needs to deal with any crisis that starts the ESA gets
19:38:07 <Ampera> I have a happy cat next to me
19:38:28 <Ampera> and he left
19:38:41 * DogWomble gives Ampera some more kitties
19:38:48 <Ampera> :D
19:39:49 <DogWomble> i'm tempted to get another cat
19:39:56 <DogWomble> i used to have one until she passed from kidney failure
19:41:00 <Ampera> :/
19:56:15 <DogWomble> i jsut know it's going to be another long term commitment
19:56:31 * Halcyon swipes at Ampera
19:56:41 * Ampera licks at Halcyon
19:56:43 <Ampera> how do
19:56:49 <steve30> Meow
19:56:49 <Halcyon> Good :) Went out for dinner
19:56:54 <Ampera> how was it
19:57:02 <Halcyon> Ampera, steve30, DogWomble, T3sl4: Cards or Golf?
19:57:08 <Halcyon> It was delicious. Went for Thai food.
19:57:17 <Halcyon> The level of chilli I shall regret tomorrow.
19:57:30 <Ampera> while I'd normally say yes, I'm stuck with my tablet, which would be a minor pain in the ass to use
19:57:49 <Halcyon> Even for Cards?
19:58:02 <Ampera> aye
19:58:08 <Ampera> voice chat doesn't do well here
19:58:16 <Halcyon> What about your grandfather's PC ?
19:58:19 <Ampera> more importantly it's 4AM
19:58:23 <Halcyon> :(
19:58:34 <Ampera> this tablet is actually faster than his PC
19:58:48 <Halcyon> Sure, but all you need is discord and a browser
19:59:14 <Ampera> I could use my tablet, I was actually given a quite nice active condenser mic for christmas
19:59:19 <Ampera> but it's 4am
19:59:23 <Ampera> I'd rather just IRC :P
19:59:27 <Halcyon> Fair enough
20:00:25 <Ampera> a blue yeti with a vibration mount
20:00:49 <Ampera> no clue if they're any good, I simply know they're rather popular
20:01:23 * Halcyon gives Ampera a vibration mount
20:01:38 * Ampera give Halcyon a hug
20:01:42 <Halcyon> \o/
20:05:33 <Halcyon> Holy crap, Barry Lewis did a 16 hour Youtube video
20:06:03 <Halcyon> Oh wait, it was all of his previous kitchen gadgets edited together
20:06:06 <Halcyon> Meh
20:07:54 <steve30> i need to go out for some shopping this morning
20:08:15 <Halcyon> What you getting?
20:08:37 <steve30> food
20:09:45 <Halcyon> Liver?
20:09:46 <Halcyon> :P
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20:16:09 <steve30> I think I'll get some sausages
20:17:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: We are the only county in the world that eats their coat of arms. #Australia https://t.co/pd1QYHKmhF
20:18:40 <Halcyon> Mmm sausage
20:21:08 <Ampera> waiting for him to retweet something so I can see if the thing works
20:21:17 <Ampera> preferably something long
20:25:42 <Halcyon> Mmmm Kangaroo steaks
20:36:39 * Ampera eats Halcyon's steak
20:37:15 <steve30> I've never had kangaroo
20:38:42 <Ampera> I have, at least I've had roo jerky
20:38:52 <Ampera> it tasted like how a pig farm smells
20:43:20 <steve30> I should go out. Back later
20:58:05 <Halcyon> Heh
20:58:09 <Halcyon> It tastes delicious
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23:03:36 <coppice_> steve30: kangaroo is quite expensive, but if there's a special occasion you might spring for it
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