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02:25 <Halcyon> Happy new year all!
02:28 <Halcyon> I'm off to bed
02:35 <Halcyon> eevblog time
02:35 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 00:02 Sydney time.
43:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Oh, it's now the 2020's, that happened quick.
46:20 <AndrevS> Happy new year! we've still 9 hours 15 minutes to go
46:39 <AndrevS> I'm making an apple pie
49:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: First thing, watching a Mars movie I haven't seen, Martian Land. Its 2.3 imdb rating is very generous, it's bad, real bad, epically bad.
22:26 Quit: AndrevS ([email protected]) Quit: see ya all next year
45:35 Quit: Chipguy ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed by foreign host
55:54 Quit: orzel ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
01:44 Join: orzel ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
01:49 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/O2LP8fg
21:56 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 2020 bought in 2000 follows on @LBRYio Can I get to 2020 follows on the first day? https://t.co/KQb3rATrRX https://t.co/gtfgur25GE
11:07 * Halcyon yawns
11:26 <rust_collector> hey you
11:53 <Halcyon> :)
12:51 <rust_collector> it is just 00.12 here. I can still fart without anyone hearing it
12:56 <Halcyon> Hahah
12:58 Quit: orzel ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
13:00 <rust_collector> good times
13:03 <Halcyon> I just woke up
13:05 <Halcyon> Need coffee
14:19 <rust_collector> I need the wife to stop playing def leppard, lol
14:57 <Halcyon> Heh
15:04 <rust_collector> at least it is not some weirdass country crap
18:21 <Halcyon> I'm not sure which is better
18:36 * Halcyon coffees the channel
19:01 <rust_collector> good coffee too
19:25 <rust_collector> not, it is a difficult one.
19:59 * Halcyon pokes Ampera to see if he is still alive
20:24 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
20:42 <Halcyon> \o/
20:47 <Halcyon> Happy new year buddy
21:00 <Ampera> aye
21:01 <rust_collector> bit early over there I think
21:05 <Ampera> how's the next decade?
21:12 <Halcyon> Sleepy
21:15 <Ampera> lol
22:43 <Halcyon> What are you up to?
22:49 <Ampera> Talking with relatives.
22:53 <rust_collector> snorting instant coffee
23:04 <Halcyon> Instant coffee is not coffee, it's lies
23:59 <rust_collector> well, then I guess it is a good thing I don't inhale... errr
36:07 <Halcyon> Looks like it's actually going to be a lovely day today rather than scorching hot
46:52 <Halcyon> That poor kid looks so bored on Big Clive's stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkvJIlAS4PM
48:32 <rust_collector> he is just waiting for the old people to fall asleep, so he can have the chips and buckfast
49:08 <Halcyon> Heh
50:02 <Halcyon> I think he is eyeing off the gin
31:03 <damian> he would do that!
31:12 <Halcyon> Hey damian
41:17 * Halcyon offers Ampera his jerked meat
41:32 * Ampera sneezes on Halcyon
41:36 <Halcyon> :P
41:48 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
42:29 <Halcyon> Not too bad, I bought some more chilli jerky
42:40 <Halcyon> How about you?
42:50 <Ampera> I'm sitting with my aunt, uncle in law, and grandfather
42:59 <Halcyon> Aw nice :)
44:40 <Halcyon> How is your grandfather?
44:46 <Halcyon> He is such a nice man
44:57 <K> hello
45:03 <K> happy new year and such
45:04 <Ampera> He said "yeh"
45:24 <Ampera> he called you a nice man
45:38 <Halcyon> Hey K! Happy new year
46:19 * T3sl4 jerks some of the meat out of Halcyon's package
46:35 * Halcyon offers T3sl4 a bigger portion
46:48 <T3sl4> :P
46:56 <Halcyon> :)
47:21 <Halcyon> I might watch some South Park.
49:04 <K> im watching die hard 4
49:09 <K> it is quite bad.
49:16 <Halcyon> I haven't seen Die Hard in years
49:26 <Halcyon> I think I stopped after 2
49:41 <K> it is kinda of tradition to air it on tv this time of year
49:49 <K> along with home alone movie
49:50 <K> s
51:33 <Halcyon> I don't have a TV antenna
51:49 <Halcyon> Free to air TV is mostly garbage, has been for about 20 years
56:02 <Ampera> about to go to bed in a bit Halcyon
56:12 <Halcyon> Is it new years there yet?
56:16 <Ampera> lolno
56:19 <Ampera> it's 9 pm
59:18 * Ampera pokes at Halcyon's chest
59:50 <Halcyon> Oww, pointy
00:10 <Ampera> would be better if you had boobs :P
00:17 <Halcyon> Hah
01:17 <orbii> boobs are great.
01:27 <Ampera> ^
01:39 <Halcyon> Meh, peen is better
01:42 <Ampera> big ones too, wish I had some
01:45 * orbii wrinkles nose
01:51 <Halcyon> :P
02:00 <Ampera> yeah, but not on me, only in me
02:08 <Halcyon> Sure
02:15 <Halcyon> Either way, they are versatile
02:38 <Ampera> they are fucking annoying to have
02:45 <Ampera> I hate it
02:48 <rust_collector> boobs are weird things
02:57 <orbii> bags of chest fat
02:57 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
03:33 <Halcyon> orbii: Sounds appealing :P
03:41 <rust_collector> but why do (I think) only humans have boobs...
03:51 <Halcyon> Monkeys have boobs
04:00 <Halcyon> As so dogs ?
04:02 <rust_collector> all the time?
04:03 <Halcyon> *do
04:12 <Halcyon> *shrug*
04:13 <Ampera> rust_collector, other mammals do, but they only get big while lactating
04:44 <Halcyon> I guess animals have refined them, otherwise what's the point of having fat hanging off your chest?
04:48 <Ampera> the common theory for humans is, I believe, they evolved it because old humans like big ass and tits can look like ass
04:50 <Ampera> idk
05:10 <rust_collector> right, then the stop that, and shrink back to something sane. I don't mind, but it is a bit weird
05:31 <Ampera> Human breasts expand too
06:10 <rust_collector> yea, but why have all that stuff hanging there all the time.
06:15 <Halcyon> *shurg*
06:22 <Ampera> because they're cool
06:23 <Halcyon> *shrug* even
06:27 <Halcyon> They aren't cool :P
06:30 <orbii> impractical bodies.
06:30 <Ampera> and I like them
06:46 <Ampera> titties are awesome
06:51 <Halcyon> :P
07:20 <rust_collector> especially after 60+ years, when they are loooong and full of wrinkles
07:34 <Ampera> just kill yourself before that happens
07:51 <rust_collector> Well, my moobs are ok for now
08:12 <Halcyon> I guess the same thing happens with bollocks too rust_collector
08:17 <orbii> :o
08:20 <rust_collector> yeah
08:32 <orbii> do your balls hang low, do they wobble to-and-fro?
08:46 <Halcyon> Nah mine are still high and tight :P
08:57 <Halcyon> T3sl4 prefers them that way
11:00 <Halcyon> Actually T3sl4 can you answer me something?
11:46 * orbii looks at T3sl4
11:47 <Halcyon> How does it work if you have a radio transceiver and the antenna has only 2 pins, but supports multiple frequencies?
12:10 <Ampera> just have multiple radios on the same antenna?
12:21 <Halcyon> For example, I have a Motorola radio next to me which supports both UHF (TX/RX) but also receives GPS signals via the same antenna.
12:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, you know how mux works
12:51 <Halcyon> Yessum
12:58 <Ampera> so you know you can have different frequencies on the same conductor
13:04 <Ampera> well that's it
13:13 <Halcyon> I guess the GPS receiver would just reject anything on any other band?
13:26 <Ampera> you just described the entire point of a radio
13:47 <Ampera> all radios get all frequencies of EMR that their antennas are capable of picking up
13:56 <Halcyon> Yep, makes sense
14:12 <Ampera> for most radios, their only purpose is to filter out all frequencies except the one they are tuned to
14:28 <rust_collector> I know nothing about radios, but does the different frequencies match the length of 1/4, 1/2 and so on of the antenna, maybe?
14:39 <Halcyon> I guess the trade-off with a multiband antenna would be reduced gain (to reduce size)?
14:40 <Ampera> an example is the superheterodyne radio, for which technology connections has a good explanation for
14:47 <Ampera> no
15:02 <Ampera> the only difference with antennas is some shapes absorb some wavelengths better than others
15:18 <Halcyon> Like this UHF/GPS antenna is about 10 cm long
15:24 <Halcyon> It's quite short
15:25 <Ampera> so that's why you'll have a VHF ring and a UHF rabbit ears
16:03 <Ampera> (please note I am oversimplifying and may not be even correct in saying that)
16:15 <Ampera> which is a good disclaimer for everything I say tbh
16:20 <Halcyon> I don't know if shape really matters
16:28 <Halcyon> Most VHF/UHF antennas I know are dipole
16:32 <Halcyon> Unless they are directional
16:46 <Halcyon> Or coils
17:33 <Halcyon> I just find radio fascinating. It's amazing what they can do these days.
17:59 <rust_collector> I find it amazing what they could do 70 years ago
18:21 <Ampera> the point is, the same way you can mux, you can have multiple frequencies on the same antenna
18:26 <Ampera> if you couldn't then you wouldn't be able to see
21:09 <Halcyon> rust_collector: The fact that we are still receiving signals from Voyager is mind blowing
21:24 <Ampera> not really
21:39 <Ampera> we can see stars lightyears away with our own eyes
21:57 <Halcyon> Yes but the energies involved are completely different
21:59 <rust_collector> I think the stars have a bit more power than voyager
22:00 <Ampera> and while they might be huge, there's nothing much but the cube-square law to stop them
22:07 * orbii hopes the smoke fucks off soon .. i'd like to not have a house full of smoke, and my eyes constantly stinging
22:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, no they're not, they're identical
22:17 <Ampera> light and radio waves are the exact same sort of energy
22:30 <Halcyon> Doesn't light also travel as particles?
22:38 <Ampera> one just exists as a particle/wave at a higher frequency (and thus higher energy per unit)
22:47 <Ampera> It travels as both particles and a way, just like radio waves
22:49 <Ampera> *wave
22:49 <rust_collector> iIrc, it depends on what you see them as?
22:58 <Ampera> It's a quantum something something called particle-wave duality
23:14 <Ampera> they're both photons, and light is simply higher frequency electromagnetic radiation
24:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, this is really basic physics, I'm kinda surprised you didn't know that.
24:54 <Halcyon> I'm aware of physics, but it's still and amazing feat
25:17 <Halcyon> We're talking about signal strengths well and truly down in the noise floor
25:50 <Halcyon> A visible star is orders of magnitude more powerful (compared to the surrounding "noise")
25:53 <Ampera> They would be if you had a normal antenna.
26:06 <Ampera> The antennas they use for Voyager are highly directional and highly parabolic
26:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, they're also orders of magnitude farther away, proving the point that if there is nothing to stop it, it will keep on going
27:37 <Ampera> the only reason why the energy is going down as it goes away is due to the cube square law and how the radiation effective on the area of the sphere of the distance it's observed at goes down exponentially as the object moves away
27:54 <Halcyon> From NASA: "The antennas must capture Voyager information from a signal so weak that the power striking the antenna is only 10 exponent -16 watts (1 part in 10 quadrillion). A modern-day electronic digital watch operates at a power level 20 billion times greater than this feeble level."
27:58 <Halcyon> That is pretty amazing
28:43 * Ampera shrugs
28:47 <Ampera> I suppose it is
29:03 <Halcyon> Even at such a weak signal, it still manages a downstream rate of 160 bits per sec
29:24 <Halcyon> (and upt o 2.8 kbps in a certain mode)
30:28 Join: Chipguy ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
30:45 <Halcyon> I would LOVE to work within the Deep Space Network
30:45 Quit: Chipguy ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed by foreign host
30:48 <Halcyon> It would be super interesting
31:49 <Ampera> Reminds me of the Wow! signal
32:00 <T3sl4> Ampera: say "quadratically", noy exponential
32:14 <Halcyon> The Wow! signal was super interesting too
32:19 <Halcyon> So many people would have been moist
32:20 <Ampera> T3sl4, if that's the only bit I got wrong in all of what I said, that's impressed me
32:54 <T3sl4> also not sure how you quoted "cube square" but i assume that's just a typo :P
33:42 <T3sl4> Ampera: at a glance, it seems you've been quite correct, at least qualitatively so
33:52 <Halcyon> Ampera is a smart kid
33:56 <Halcyon> More people should listen to him
34:24 <T3sl4> his enemies fear him
34:46 <Halcyon> I just wish society in general wasn't so retarded
34:53 <Ampera> Well isn't cube-square law related to the change in surface area of an object versus the change of it's volume?
35:19 <T3sl4> that's metabolism :P
36:46 <T3sl4> in other words, volume behind the wavefront isn't meaningful, but the area alone is :)
36:51 <Ampera> In which case I would be correct, as the surface area the radiation would hit us would go down quadratically (which is a type of exponential change) as the object emitting it moves further away (I.E. as the volume of the sphere of the radiation defined by the radius between us an the transmitting object)
37:40 <Ampera> Well the wavefront would travel as an effective sphere.
37:41 <T3sl4> nah, exponential is exp(x), you can't write 1/x^2 as exp(x)
37:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: A seriously complicated Youtube video blogging setup from @DFA_Analyst And to think that after almost a decade full time at this Youtube thing, I still just stand behind (or in front of) a camcorder and carry the SD card to my editor. https://t.co/pSZIpHjfML
38:17 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, that reminds me... how is your email server set up going?
38:26 <Ampera> Haven't finished it yet.
38:27 <T3sl4> "geometrically" almost works, but that's for iterated operations
39:03 <Ampera> regardless, the point is as the craft moves away, the signal spreads out more, and we get less of it
39:47 <Halcyon> The reason I ask is I was going change the email address for the EEVblog twitter feed over to you
39:50 <Ampera> if we had a large enough reflector that increased in size proportional to how the craft moved away, and so long as there weren't any obstructions in the way (there are, but not much), the signal power wouldn't go down
39:55 <T3sl4> s/volume/area/ in that last parenthesis and you're perfect :)
39:57 <Halcyon> Currently it's using a temporary gmail address of mine
40:03 <Halcyon> (Which I plan on phasing out eventually)
40:29 <T3sl4> but in any case, yep, hence why the radiotelescopes are so big
40:35 <T3sl4> DSN and all that
40:36 <Ampera> T3sl4, you know what I'm talking about anyways
41:02 <Ampera> I'm on a surface type cover so I can't type as fast and I miss keys like nuts
41:10 <Halcyon> T3sl4, is there a difference between one big dish vs multiple smaller dishes of equal combined size?
41:11 <Ampera> should have probably brought my keyboard, but I had limited space
41:18 <T3sl4> miss your own nuts
42:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, the point of the dish is to focus the signal onto one point, so that you can more easily distinguish it from other EMR
42:36 <Ampera> If you could distinguish it with just one dish, you wouldn't need more.
42:38 <T3sl4> Halcyon: resolution in a given direction goes as the length of the collector in that direction, but gain goes as total area
44:19 <Ampera> The thing is it isn't that I'm smart, it's just that I am incredibly good at making shit up as I go along
44:27 <T3sl4> the PSF goes something like the FT of the aperture, so preferably you want a nice large smooth aperture so you can resolve nice sharp points
44:31 <Ampera> er *smart -> well educated
44:47 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Rendering a mailbag video. This now makes 4 videos in the bag and cued for release, probably a record for me. My day-to-day operation is zero cued videos.
45:04 <Ampera> Speaking of EEVBot, I've been working on fixing him so that retweets don't get cut off
45:14 <Halcyon> Oh nice
45:20 <Ampera> unfortunately my Java API library is poorly documented, and some functionality just straight up doesn't work
45:36 <Ampera> so I might have to get fancy with text parsing or something like that.
45:48 <T3sl4> arrays like VLBI use a few lines of receivers to help reduce diffraction in the image
46:25 <Ampera> man I just want tiddies :(
46:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The 100 Worst Ed-Tech Debacles of the Decade https://t.co/xf5LewSKs0
47:09 <T3sl4> but if you know that the source has to be pointlike, you can narrow it down from a lumpy diffuse blob to that, by applying the inverse PSF
47:28 <T3sl4> that's what a sharpen filter does to a blurry photo
48:03 <T3sl4> although not so much a generic sharpen, but something specific like an anti-bokeh filter
48:24 * Ampera sharpens T3sl4 to a point
48:38 * T3sl4 headbutts Ampera
48:51 <Ampera> at least I have a second hole now :>
49:05 <T3sl4> i didn't say where i headbutted you
52:33 <T3sl4> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2006-11-25
53:16 * Halcyon fingers Ampera's second hole
53:40 <Ampera> I wish you could, Halcyon
53:44 <Ampera> I wish you could
54:41 <T3sl4> if you had one, would Halcyon still want to finger it tho?
54:53 <Halcyon> If I had a second hole?
54:57 <Halcyon> No? I already have one
56:18 <T3sl4> if Ampera got a 2nd
56:48 <Halcyon> What's wrong with the primary hole?
56:51 <T3sl4> or is it that you have a colostomy fetish?
57:07 <Ampera> If I had a second/first to second, I'd let him do whatever he wanted to it
57:09 <Halcyon> Depends where the ostomy is :P
57:17 <Ampera> because he wouldn't want to do anything to it :P
57:25 <Halcyon> Why wouldn't I?
57:28 <Halcyon> You don't know me
58:33 * Ampera shrugs
58:39 <Ampera> then you could do whatever
58:50 <Ampera> it'll probably never happen, and if it did I'd be willing to do that for it
01:31 <Halcyon> So yeh Ampera, with the Twitter API, I can either register an email address on my domain, or wait for you to sort your email server
01:34 <Halcyon> I'm easy either way
05:12 <T3sl4> constipation, anyone? https://imgur.com/gallery/JywvPIs
05:30 <Halcyon> Oh that looks so fucking awesome
05:33 <Halcyon> My kind of dinner
06:01 <rust_collector> hah, that is what you have before dinner
06:08 <Halcyon> On a smaller scale :P
06:29 <Halcyon> A meat/cheese board is my "go to" when I can't be bothered cooking
11:26 <orbii> i feel like i'd enjoy life more if i could breath easier and my eyes werent stinging
11:31 * orbii sighs at stupid australia
11:58 <Halcyon> You got me all horny for cheese T3sl4 so I went and got some semi-soft smoked cheddar :P
12:15 <Halcyon> orbii: All clear up here :P
12:23 <T3sl4> you're nursing a semi, aye?
13:19 * T3sl4 hands orbii a https://i.imgur.com/jQmO6P2.gif
13:38 <Halcyon> I also got some Stollen
14:42 <orbii> Halcyon: worst air in the world here
14:49 <Halcyon> Bugger :(
14:59 * Halcyon is 800 metres ASL
15:05 <orbii> when the house fills with smoke, and your eyes cant stop stinging, it's pretty win
17:42 <orbii> at least it's not 40C today?
17:47 <Halcyon> True
17:50 <Halcyon> It's quite nice outside
18:24 <T3sl4> clearly, too much hot has accumulated on australia. now that it's burning off, it'll be cool again
18:24 <EEVBlog> Halcyon is interested, T3sl4!
18:39 <Halcyon> It's about 28-30 here
18:43 <Halcyon> Indeed :P
18:46 <T3sl4> EEVBlog: go take a trip to austria
18:53 <orbii> T3sl4: not really.
19:12 <orbii> prediction for the next week is something like: 35, 38, 42, 34, 23, 32
20:40 <orbii> https://www.airvisual.com/world-air-quality-ranking
21:25 <Halcyon> Yeh it's pretty awful
21:28 <Halcyon> Highly unusual
21:38 <orbii> https://i.imgur.com/wHaRazI.jpg
22:22 <orbii> i probably have <50m visibility out my window
22:47 <Halcyon> Yeh you guys in the ACT have been copping it pretty bad
22:48 <orbii> you know the funny thing, it's been so long with the smoke - i dont remember what the sky looks like
23:16 <Halcyon> I had visitors up from the ACT last weekend, they were so happy to see blue sky. Apparently people are going stir crazy down there
23:37 <orbii> it's .. pretty upsetting
25:03 <rust_collector> you can come look at the sky here. oh, no, it is dark all the time. never mind
27:22 <orbii> i suspect having a sky that makes you wonder if youre on mars is possibly worse.
27:34 <orbii> (especially when it lasts for months)
32:22 <Halcyon> At least it matches up with parliament
32:34 <Halcyon> Sometimes these politicians carry on like they are from another planet
34:00 <orbii> https://i.redd.it/2k5agh20o1841.jpg well, that's where it *should* be
34:17 <orbii> https://i.redd.it/t5h2t0rvh1841.jpg
34:47 <Halcyon> Oh wow, you don't drive a Volkswagen :P
34:52 <Halcyon> Unusual for Canberra
34:59 <orbii> it's not my pictures
35:08 <Halcyon> Ah
35:33 <orbii> im not going out there.
35:43 <Halcyon> Do you have air conditioning?
35:55 <orbii> we have evaporative
36:02 <orbii> and it just brings in the smoke from outside
36:19 <orbii> very little has filters small enough for smoke
36:35 <Halcyon> :(
36:43 <orbii> pretty much everywhere is sold out of air purifiers
36:49 <Halcyon> I'm not surprised
36:50 <orbii> people been told to keep their outside pets inside
37:02 <Halcyon> Are HEPA filters small enough?
37:10 <orbii> i have a funky picture of our projector last night - you can see the smoke through it
37:28 <orbii> stupid fucking fires.
37:45 <Halcyon> At least it wont burn this badly a second time for at least 10 years
39:21 <orbii> maybe
40:05 <orbii> keep rubbing shit out of my eyes :|
40:16 <orbii> its been bad for months, but this is so much worse.
40:39 <Halcyon> Do you want me to ship you down an air filter?
40:42 <orbii> lol
27:48 <Halcyon> Seriously orbii, I can buy one up here and send it to you, if all the shops are out
55:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: GTFO, 2020? I can remember thinking "I wonder what I'll be doing in the year 2000?" Well, young Dave, in the year 2020 you would have spent a decade making internet videos for a living where people watch you open your mail. Yeah right... https://t.co/YSoSFJ4znp
31:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So this is a thing. Trolley wheels that lock when out of range. Oh boy, the social hacking fun that could be had... And what happens if the system fails? https://t.co/1Mq5TMWwgV
32:07 <Halcyon> Where has Dave been? That has been used for years
37:25 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
37:34 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera tightly
37:37 <Ampera> happy 2020 halcyon
37:44 <Halcyon> \o/
37:51 <Ampera> we're in the space year
38:02 <Halcyon> Yet people are dumber than ever
38:05 <Ampera> as for the email, can I give you an answer in two weeks?
38:10 <Halcyon> Yes, no rush
38:13 <Ampera> k
38:25 <Ampera> I might try to get it working while I'm here
38:35 <Ampera> if I do, I do, if I don't I don't
38:45 <Halcyon> As I said, it's something I'm phasing out over the course of several months
38:57 <Ampera> I
39:05 <Ampera> 'll probably never truly phase out gmail
39:15 <Halcyon> I figured I might as well let you manage the creds for Twitter
39:23 <Halcyon> This is why I use G Suite :P
39:32 <Ampera> my email system would have to prove itself to be near 100% reliable over the course of years for me to be willing to put genuine serious stuff on it
40:25 <Ampera> but for casual stuff and talking to people it'll be fine
41:33 * Halcyon noms on a candy cane
41:54 <Ampera> I wish I could nom on a candy cane
42:05 <Halcyon> :P
42:51 <Ampera> when I'm on vacation is when my dysphoria is at its worst, because I don't crossdress, even to myself
43:03 <Halcyon> I didn't know you did at all?
43:06 <Ampera> I think what worries me the most about transitioning is the possibility that this is all one big fetish
43:30 <Ampera> and that once I transition I won't be able to feel comfortable there either, and found I've just drugged the crap out of myself for nothing
44:05 <Ampera> that reason is exactly why I get so pissed at other trans people, because the "community" tries as hard as it fucking can to mask any negative experiences or people who have genuinely been there and done that
44:51 <Ampera> I'm reminded of that recently because of something I saw on Twitter, someone who basically said exactly that.
45:21 <Ampera> Nobody's studying that person, nobody gives any shit about them, and the people who do detransition get treated far far worse by society than the people who transition
45:47 <Ampera> blech
45:52 <Halcyon> *hugs*
47:14 <Ampera> I think that's why I keep talking about it, in the hope that I end up in just the right debate with just the right outcome to finally show me what I've needed to know about it all this time
47:31 <Halcyon> What is the right debate though?
48:07 <Ampera> For every great question, any great answer comes from two people saying they're right, and the other person is wrong
50:19 <Ampera> I think I've talked to ThunderSqueak so much, because outside of being a nice person, we disagree on the nature and theory of transgenderism to a degree that I might get some useful discourse out of her
50:46 <Halcyon> I just feel bad because I can't help you one way or another
50:48 <Ampera> but it hasn't happened, and she is another person who I do not believe accepts alternate views like the ones I have
51:14 <Halcyon> I support you regardless, but I can't help make up your mind
51:59 <Ampera> It's more complicated than that. All of my mind has to be in agreements. I'll have moments of perfect will, but those will fade away as even my mood changes.
52:22 <Ampera> It also doesn't resolve the fact that not even the most optimistic person can turn an apple into an orange.
52:53 <Ampera> the best they can do is start redefining the world's constants so that an apple and an orange are simply the same thing.
53:40 <Halcyon> Well they are, they are both fruit
54:07 <Ampera> you're a fruit
54:13 <Halcyon> Yes? ;)
54:28 <Ampera> Halcyon, DM me I can't open one easily in weechat
58:24 <steve30> hi
16:09 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
16:23 * steve30 paws at T3sl4 
16:36 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
16:55 * T3sl4 definitely doesn't cough on steve30
17:00 <T3sl4> finally over my cold :P
18:00 <steve30> yay
35:29 * Halcyon licks steve30 
37:42 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon 
38:17 <Halcyon> :P
40:01 <steve30> We've got roast turkey for dinner today, but that's not until later
43:12 <Halcyon> I have pasta :)
50:27 <steve30> I guess Halcyon-nibbles will have to do till tea time
53:53 <Halcyon> Only if you don't mind spice :P
02:53 <steve30> hmm, a halcyon curry
03:16 <Halcyon> Be careful, it's hot :P
12:04 * orbii looks about
12:13 <steve30> Nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8PdnN97nEw
12:49 <Halcyon> Hey Orbii
12:54 <orbii> hello
13:11 <Halcyon> What the hell is that Steve?
13:26 <steve30> blowing a TV up
13:45 <Halcyon> Random
16:45 <steve30> I've no idea who the girl in the video was, but if you were listening to that you'd probably want your TV to blow up :)
20:33 <orbii> there are some seriously fucked in the head people in teh world
21:15 <Ampera> if only we could blow up e-thots in real life
21:30 <Ampera> god wills it, deus vult
26:57 <orbii> its funny how peoples issues just .. leak out
27:12 <orbii> and how broken attracts broken
27:19 <orbii> or at least, recognises it
28:13 <steve30> So, the cupboard which once had plenty of room to keep my coffee in, now contains:
29:48 <steve30> Vitamin E, Vitamin D, Selenium + Zinc, Ashwagandha KSM-66 (R), Vitamin B12, Flaxseed, Vitamin D3, Vitamin A, Glucosamine Chondroitin + Vitamin C, Zinc, Magnesium Maleate, Complete B, E-100 I.U, d-Alpha form, High Strength Chewable Vitamin C, Iron, and A-Z Multi vitamins and Minerals.
30:10 <steve30> :S
32:08 <orbii> nice
34:21 <steve30> That's all my mother's BTW.
35:05 <orbii> fair enough. how come?
35:53 <steve30> She gets her medical advice from Facebook.
21:43 Join: Chipguy ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
58:19 <orbii> seems legit
16:30 <steve30> yup
19:20 <steve30> She got a book about a 'Paleo diet' the other day
51:40 <coppice_> eat only dinosaurs?
41:40 <steve30> I hope I don't have to source any dinosaurs
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