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02:09 <rust_collector> but hsn whyyyy football?
02:21 <Ysjoelfir> right
02:23 <Ysjoelfir> go skiing
02:47 <Ampera> the best sport is recreational shooting
02:47 <rust_collector> down there, that would be a good workout
02:52 <Ampera> or as it's known in America, school
04:21 <hsn> football is common here .. more than others .. i like table tennis
04:40 <rust_collector> I had table tennis in school, lol
04:51 <Ampera> I prefer ping pon g
04:53 <rust_collector> that was a well wasted year
05:07 <hsn> yup .. its cool game
05:19 <Ampera> In general, I'd just rather plat Skat
05:41 <Ampera> probably because it's one of the few card games I enjoy, and haven't played it since my parents broke up and thus I lost my third player
16:04 <hsn> third?
16:37 <rust_collector> the one after the second
19:17 <Ampera> ^
19:57 <hsn> make sense now ..
20:41 <electrohead> o/
20:51 <electrohead> ellellellell
20:56 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
21:03 * electrohead hugs Ampera
21:03 * Ampera gives electrohead some egg noodle stroganov
21:11 <rust_collector> hi mr head! are you learning arabic?
21:12 <Ampera> with chicken, bay scallops, and mushrooms
21:12 <electrohead> ooo, that sounds good
21:17 <electrohead> rust_collector: lol
21:29 <Ampera> it is good, I started making it at 6 in the morning
21:33 <electrohead> I have some scallops in my freezer, need to make those soon
21:43 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447698094528659457/770973719627563018/20201028_073410.jpg
21:43 <electrohead> is cooking your favorite thing?
21:59 <Ampera> I don't know about my favorite thing in the whole world full stop, but I do enjoy doing it
22:14 <electrohead> :p
22:15 <Ampera> that being said, I hate following recipes, it tends to get not fun when I have to follow one
22:32 <electrohead> and damn, that looks good as hell, I'd devour that whole pot, no joke
22:59 <Ampera> was a right pain in the ass, as my pot is too fucking small
23:00 <electrohead> it's amazing how much food I can eat, and still be as skinny as I am
23:10 <Ampera> that's 36oz of noodle
23:13 <electrohead> heh, yeah I need new pots myself
23:29 <Ampera> 6 chicken thighs, a pound of mushrooms, a pound of scallops, half a pound of sharp cheddar
23:41 <Ampera> 3 cans of cream of mushroom soup
25:48 <electrohead> definitely could eat most of that in one sitting >.<
26:01 <electrohead> could you?
28:31 <rust_collector> sure, if you removed the scallops and mushroom stuff
28:34 <Ampera> nope
29:03 <Ampera> I can eat a lot of food, but that's damn close to 4,000,000-5,000,000 calories
29:39 <rust_collector> My stomach goes by volume, not calories
30:03 <Ampera> it's mostly starch
30:06 <Lord_of_nothing_> OMG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_nqZrcflpI
30:46 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing_, I don't speak thai, sorry
30:53 <Lord_of_nothing_> The police want SERIOUSLY check if not more poeple in an appartment than
30:57 <Lord_of_nothing_> permit?!
31:14 <Lord_of_nothing_> The think about that!!!
31:37 <electrohead> speaking of eating a lot of food - https://www.youtube.com/user/MegatoadStonie
31:42 <electrohead> this guy is nuts.
31:45 <Ampera> people are beating the shit out of the police on the streets now
31:53 <Lord_of_nothing_> not here
32:00 <Ampera> if they started raiding apartments on random, there would be a lot of dead cops
32:37 <Ampera> that's what you get when you live in a society where you have to trust the government won't abuse a right to search unwarranted
33:53 <rust_collector> I think I have to buy a new knife. this one has meh steel
34:01 <Lord_of_nothing_> well i would say cops shoot first
34:11 <Ampera> depends on the cop
34:14 <Ampera> depends on the situation
34:22 <Ampera> sometimes shoot first is warranted, sometimes it's not
34:47 <Ampera> The issue we have here is that few people are arguing there are no issues with cops, or that power isn't regularly abused
35:04 <Ampera> it's just that people turned it into a race issue, and all of a sudden half the people with valid gripes were alienated
35:26 <Ampera> and all the riots and destruction of property was given meaningless justification in the eyes of morons
36:01 <Ampera> even worse when police departments are told to make meaningful reform, the people at the front line of that reform have some terrifying and poorly researched demands and requests
36:46 <Lord_of_nothing_> maybe someone looking for a christmas gift for there grand parents: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TD-E50-50-discount-cheap-Italian_60809816701.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.63013e6aYTkY1p
37:29 <Ampera> you gotta wonder who used it before
38:25 <rust_collector> that is a great deal. I wonder what shipping would be on a big box
38:48 <Lord_of_nothing_> maybe for someone who looking for a bargin: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Professional-factory-cardboard-coffin-Compatible-products_62552491999.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.63013e6aYTkY1p
39:06 <steve30> ANd they are able to supply 300 pieces per month. That'll be good if we have lots of deaths
39:32 <rust_collector> Material
39:32 <rust_collector> 	
39:32 <rust_collector> Paulownia
39:32 <rust_collector> (can be replaced by other wood species or MDF veneer or cardboard or plyw
40:11 <steve30> Ooh, the cardboard one can do 20000 per month.
40:15 * steve30 wonders who to murder
40:24 <Lord_of_nothing_> our chancelar say everyone know someone who will die
40:56 <rust_collector> I saw everyone will dies, so that makes sense
41:56 <steve30> tbh I don't really like the idea of being burried in a cardboard coffin. I'd like to think whoever burries me would go to /some/ effort
42:29 <rust_collector> then you should move somewhere there the ground is "difficult"
42:50 <Lord_of_nothing_> people who lived in a cardboard home will burrid with one
43:04 <rust_collector> I don't want to be buried at all. that seems like a waste of time
43:44 <Ampera> ^
43:49 <Ampera> who gives a shit what happens after you die
44:12 <Ampera> you're dead there's nothing that's going to make you feel better about a cardboard box or a wooden box
44:25 <hsn> is xilinix gonna be buy bby
44:26 <hsn> amd?
44:38 <Ampera> I've not organized a will yet, but when I get around to it I intend to request as minimal of an expense be taken as possible on getting rid of my shit
45:09 <rust_collector> I also think it seems wrong to spend much time making a nice complicated box, just to dump it in a hole in the ground, and leave it to rot
45:11 <Ampera> the only thing worse for the two people who give some shit about me than me dying is having to blow thousands on some shitty funeral home to deal with me
45:34 <Ampera> it's wrong to spend money on a company that capitalizes on people's grief and misery for a profit
45:43 <steve30> I don't want to go over the top, but I'd like something a bit more than a cardboard box.
45:44 <Ampera> and quite an immense one at that
46:10 <Ampera> I don't care, part me out and pack me into dog food, throw me in the trash, toss me in a river
46:11 <Ampera> whatever
46:25 <steve30> Having said that, my grandfather's ashes are currently stored in a plastic jar. I think he had a nice coffin though, before it was cremated.
46:31 <Ampera> just don't spend a penny more on me dying than you have to, use that cash for something worthwhile
46:41 <Ampera> they cremated the coffin?
46:49 <rust_collector> yes, buy ice cream or something
46:53 <Ampera> I mean I guess they would, but that just seems dumb too
46:56 <steve30> umm, i assume so
47:53 <hsn> in here its one thing .. wrap him with white cloth sort of thing and berry him under ground
47:58 <rust_collector> they do, at least in england-land
47:59 <hsn> done .. next ..
48:27 <K> no cremation, hsn?
48:38 <hsn> maybe after 1xx years or somthing .. burry again on same spot different person
48:41 <rust_collector> up here, we bulldoze a ditch, and have the soon dead to stand in line on the edge, and pop pop pop
48:42 <K> too much hasle prolly
48:52 <hsn> no no K
49:03 <Ampera> rust_collector, sounds like a good policy to me
49:11 <steve30> I'm going to go out for a walk with my video cameras and tripod. Back soon.
49:19 <Ampera> Have fun, don't get shot
49:26 <rust_collector> much
49:27 <hsn> why would u fire death person
49:38 <Ampera> hsn, well you're not gonna hire them
49:56 <hsn> so u burn anyone ur not hiring Ampera
50:06 <Ampera> standard company policy in the US
50:15 <rust_collector> well, we have weird rules about a grave being "yours" for 20 or so years. they do not have room for more dead people
50:27 <Ampera> here graves are usually forever
50:38 <Lord_of_nothing_> well i want to get cry freezed
50:39 <Ampera> as here we have enough land to go around, nobody cares
50:40 <rust_collector> we just "lease" them, lol
51:00 <rust_collector> 20 years, then you can extend that foe 10 years twice, I think
51:02 <hsn> in here .. u just get burried in the grave yard
51:07 <hsn> wait i have pic
51:12 <Ampera> of you getting buried?
51:13 <Ampera> neat
51:45 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jSmFf2apUrPXbXaG8
52:24 <rust_collector> that is where we bury people too, but when I did that, we still had fairly complete bodies from the 70s. so I guess it also depends on the ground at that location.
52:26 <Ampera> hsn, actually I quite like that, no expense wasted
52:33 <Ampera> just some brick, a hole, and a sign
52:38 <Lord_of_nothing_> hmm why not frie freeze everyone and than make fertilizer ot of that?
52:39 <hsn> yes
52:55 <hsn> and after years .. body is gone .. grave ready for next person
54:18 <hsn> there is 3 days sort of "ceremony" of ppl visiting family of dead person ..
54:31 <Lord_of_nothing_> what religion?
54:43 <hsn> islam
54:58 <rust_collector> I think... on a farm, with say 100 cows, you get a lot of shit. and that shit seems to dissolve any bodies. so that could be an option
55:03 <Lord_of_nothing_> hmm does people get brued after?
55:06 <hsn> and then after 3 days .. thats all ... ppl visit gaves if they want to
55:15 <Lord_of_nothing_> burned
55:24 <rust_collector> no. they get buried
55:36 <hsn> no burn .. we usually burry next day
55:38 <Lord_of_nothing_> hmm i guess hindu get burned?
55:39 <hsn> of death
56:05 <Ampera> hsn, here funerals are sometimes obnoxiously lavish
56:14 <Ampera> even for people who weren't really that wealthy
56:20 <hsn> if there is somthing complicated like for example my czn dead from cancer in london .. to get back to bahrain etc etc .. it took 5days
56:22 <Ampera> and often that cost is fronted by the family for some dumb reason
56:40 <Ampera> you get shit like funeral processions here, where you get 20-50 long lines of cars clogging up the streets
57:29 <hsn> and in that "3 days ceremony" there is like .. tea .. water .. etc .. for ppl who come to family of dead person ... on total i guess it cost some where around 400$ or somthing ..
58:51 <rust_collector> I think grandmas funeral got up to around $10k, which is pretty crazy
59:06 <rust_collector> but still on the cheaper side, up here
59:16 <Lord_of_nothing_> omg thats chap
59:19 <hsn> wtf 10k is for
59:37 <rust_collector> meh, who knows?
59:41 <Lord_of_nothing_> here you can pay 1500€ for the very limited funeral
59:48 <hsn> i think even ppl who make the hole here .. dont like to take money .. not all of them ..
00:16 <rust_collector> that is because it is the best job
00:25 <hsn> but like lot of them dont make grave hole for money making ... its voluntary
01:06 <rust_collector> make a hole, hang around, eat cookies, try to not offend too many people, fill in the hole, and that is a day
01:24 <Lord_of_nothing_> the realy funny think is some company must shut down since the death rate is way below average
01:39 <hsn> i would feel offended it he eats cookie near the graves
01:58 <Lord_of_nothing_> why?
02:11 <hsn> idk Lord_of_nothing_ its culture ..
02:14 <Lord_of_nothing_> In vienna its normal wo walk and maybe bike on the funeral ground
02:17 <hsn> cultural feeling
03:18 <Lord_of_nothing_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Central_Cemetery
03:58 <hsn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Muslim_Funeral1.jpg
04:07 <hsn> thats our bike
04:38 <Lord_of_nothing_> where are the ladys?
04:47 <hsn> no ladies
05:01 <hsn> they come after , before this part
05:10 <hsn> for saying good bye ..
06:49 <Lord_of_nothing_> omg its a gay bash
07:56 <hsn> https://youtu.be/Spxrf_WxyLE?t=51
09:24 <Lord_of_nothing_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlfbUOW0_qo
10:15 <hsn> https://youtu.be/_lw6EnYOhGo?t=26 << and here where women come to final .. before burry
10:33 <hsn> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
10:42 <hsn> Video unavailable
11:10 * electrohead throws hsn a VPN account
11:53 <hsn> vree porn network ?
12:05 <Lord_of_nothing_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI3TvGDvNGU
15:57 <rust_collector> I think I have to go cut down a tree, because it is nearly impossible to find good wood for sale here. well, not really, but it is pretty expensive
16:38 <Lord_of_nothing_> hmm maybe you finde some poeple who have a garden and cut down tree to and you get free wood?
16:59 <coppice> wood has become really expensive, and the timber sellers have very little hardwood for sale these days
17:04 <rust_collector> maybe
17:07 <rust_collector> and yes
17:42 <Lord_of_nothing_> well the storm broke a lot of tree and the price in europe is very low currently
18:38 <rust_collector> but what kind of trees was that? it is no problem finding wood to build a house or something non-precision like that
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19:46 <rust_collector> I used to have a lot of nice wood, recycled from door frames, after they replaced all the doors in the school here.
27:14 <rust_collector> otoh, I do nto really have space to do anything with wood right now, lol
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04:18 <rust_collector> woohoo! I got china package again
04:30 <rust_collector> "welding wire"
18:44 <K> whatcha gonna weld?
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21:27 <rust_collector> well, being chinese, it is not welding wire
22:11 <rust_collector> it was 2 tiny reels on 0.1mm enameled wire
23:57 <K> u got scammed eh
24:09 <rust_collector> no
24:20 <K> what is that 0.1 for?
24:37 <K> (holds up calipers, set to 0.1mm)
25:00 <K> gonna wind some coils or somth?
25:03 <rust_collector> I have no idea. but it cost about the same as what I had left in my paypal account
25:09 <K> ah.
29:44 <rust_collector> I guess it would be handy, if I had to fix a phone. except that I have no business being inside a phone
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57:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, qwerty user detected
57:23 <Nothing\> <Ampera> AGFWGJI
57:36 <Ampera> so?
57:37 <Nothing\> this is what a REAL MAN'S jibberish oughta look like
57:41 <Nothing\> asneithasoetindaoeisnaoeidaoetiunoai
57:52 <Ampera> AZERTY or Dvorak?
57:58 <Nothing\> dvorak
58:09 <Nothing\> hence all the vowels
58:10 <Ampera> I tried it once, decided it wasn't worth the significant speed hit to get it back up
58:21 <Nothing\> Ampera, honestly it took me many attempts to learn it
58:22 <Ampera> and the slightly wonky keyboard
58:33 <Nothing\> irc is a good way cuz there's no real rush but what you make in your head
58:37 <Ampera> I can type 100-160WPM using QWERTY, I really don't need more
58:55 <Nothing\> for me it's not about speed
59:01 <Nothing\> it's more about comfort and habit
59:07 <Nothing\> honestly i noticed no increase in speed
59:19 <Ampera> qwerty is perfectly comfortable for me
59:21 <Nothing\> if anything, i find typing longer or more comlpex words to be slower
59:27 <Nothing\> or at least more cumbersome
59:43 <rust_collector> I type slowly no matter what layout I use...
59:43 <Nothing\> yeah i mean if you're fine with qwerty there's really no reason to change
59:56 <Ampera> If I know the spelling, longer words tend to be faster than multiple smaller words.
00:02 <Nothing\> are you really gonna notice that supposed 5% increase in typing speed
00:05 <Nothing\> or whatever it is
00:11 <Nothing\> i mean, it can't be significant
00:43 <Ampera> 5% increased speed for let's just say 120WPM would be 126WPM
01:00 <Ampera> which is pretty much within the margin of error for any speed test and then some
01:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, learning dvorak has taught me that typing a word isn't just a matter of telling your hands to press this key then that key and so on, but rather your brain treats the word and the motions used to type the word as a whole
01:42 <Ampera> The way I see it is that the keyboard has become a synthetic organ my fingers interface with
01:51 <Ampera> I can type just as naturally as I can talk
01:53 <Nothing\> so even though i knew where the letters were, i still had to think about every new word i was typing
02:06 <Ampera> honestly, considering how much more I've typed thank talked in my life, typing is probably even more natural for me
02:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've developed my own accent because of how reclusive i am
02:44 <Nothing\> i thought i was crazy at first until a guy in jail told me i talk like a yank
03:02 <Ampera> I have too, but largely because most of my audible speaking influence is international
03:12 <Ampera> so my accent is all over the place and will even change depending on what I'm saying and when
03:24 <Ampera> in general I tend to have a fairly new english accent
03:53 <Ampera> not like thick bostoner, but average new yorker or connecticutian
04:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, that too, most of the stuff i watch is either american or british
04:17 <Nothing\> hell all of the tv i watched growing up was american
04:27 <Nothing\> those were the only good stations, the american ones
04:50 <Nothing\> although we had shows like degrassi, i never watched it
04:57 <Nothing\> i was more a saved by the bell kinda guy
05:13 <Nothing\> I'M SO EXCITED.... I'M SO EXCITED.... I'M SO... SCARED!!!!
05:47 <Nothing\> nevermind her tits, that chick from showgirls deserves an emmy for that caffeine pill induced freakout
06:40 <Nothing\> in case you're lost, which you probably are. it was a show about highschool kids and in the one episode the girls make their own band and the one girl has trouble keeping up with the band and school so she starts taking caffeine pills to help her
07:06 <Nothing\> then when she's confronted by her friend for taking pills :o she has that freakout
07:25 <Nothing\> the chick from showgirls, if you've ever seen the movie
07:56 <Nothing\> which being a millenial, probably not since the only reason to watch that movie was for the tits and ass before the days of internet porn being easily accessible
08:38 <Nothing\> i mean, we had the porn, but downloading a jpeg at a top speed of 4 kilobytes per second just wasn't doing it
09:09 <Nothing\> you ever sit there and watch as a jpeg loads literally section by section
16:26 <Ysjoelfir> Hello you all
16:47 <rust_collector> hello, you you
30:04 <Ysjoelfir> Hello you rusty
31:08 <rust_collector> yes
31:42 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVrZuOfX3lg
32:04 <rust_collector> Ok, I am not sure why he would not just start with a piece of angle iron, but...
33:10 <Nothing\> what's the term for the amount of heat energy it takes to melt a substance
33:19 <Nothing\> not the melting point
33:27 <Ysjoelfir> mrs spouse just send that to me because she was very irritated about the video quality and the amounts of cuts. and yes. its annoying as fuck. also, what is that strange beast there with those faked lips and plastic everywhere? also, autotune at its best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkFCS9v0GhU
33:31 <Nothing\> enthalpy of formation?
33:50 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, I have to endure another one, after that I'll enjoy your video xD
33:55 <Nothing\> hey Ysjoelfir
34:08 <Ysjoelfir> hey mr Nothing\
34:38 <Nothing\> heat of vaporization is for boiling
35:22 <Nothing\> sad thing is i have a chem textbook within arm's reach
35:43 <rust_collector> e of fusion?
35:54 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that sounds right
36:41 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
36:51 <Nothing\> i'm still not sure what enthalpy means, like i can use it in a sentence but it's one of those words i never took the time to look up the actual definition of
38:06 <rust_collector> it is just some invented bullshit word, because...there was no word for whatever they meant
40:27 <rust_collector> time to go... have fun
40:28 <Nothing\> i just thought of a great invention
40:42 <Nothing\> a probe for SMD stuff
40:47 <rust_collector> Enthalpy /ˈɛnθəlpi/ ( listen) is a property of a thermodynamic system, defined as the sum of the system's internal energy and the product of its pressure and volume
40:54 <Nothing\> like a needle sized probe
40:56 <rust_collector> blah blah
41:02 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
41:09 <rust_collector> well, you can buy needle like probes
41:12 <Nothing\> so you can get into really tight spaces, like if you're testing the power on a usb cord
41:20 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
41:23 <Nothing\> heya buddy
41:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i guess you could always braze a needle onto a probe
42:08 <rust_collector> sure. or you could buy a probe with a "needle tip"
42:23 <Nothing\> i suppose
42:35 <Ampera> AMD 6000 series GPU presentation is out
42:37 <Ampera> nvidia on suicide watch
42:52 <Nothing\> no shit?
43:08 <coppice> Ampera: why do you think nVidia might worry?
43:12 <Nothing\> they just came out with their gtx 30 series
43:15 <Nothing\> nvidia
43:19 <Ampera> coppice, I'm joking
43:27 <Ampera> nvidia don't care, consumer stuff is not their only gig
43:32 <Ampera> and people will still buy it, as it's close
43:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's like saying all TI ever does is make calculators
44:02 <Ampera> huh?
44:11 <coppice> I wonder if AMD can get its act together with GPUs like it has with CPUs?
44:12 <rust_collector> no it is not like saying that...
44:13 <Nothing\> meanwhile their income from ICs is probably many times what they get for calculators
44:13 <Ampera> I'm saying the polar inverse of that
44:30 <Ampera> nvidia's big money maker is big iron
44:41 <coppice> I doubt that
44:48 <Nothing\> man, christmas fliers already coming out
44:52 <Nothing\> know what i miss?
44:57 <coppice> nvidia's best profits come from big iron
45:07 <Ampera> I just said that...
45:20 <Nothing\> going through the Sears catalog around xmas time and circling/picking out whatever i wanted for christmas
45:22 <coppice> Ampera: best profits != big money
45:33 <Ampera> ...
45:37 <Nothing\> i have more memories of that than i do of any actual christmas
45:40 <Ampera> coppice, when did you become Jobe
45:49 <Ampera> big money meaning big money for nvidia
46:04 <Ampera> of course there's going to be bigger money industries
46:22 <rust_collector> Nothing\, didn't you have the jp penney catalog?
46:23 <coppice> the margins on big iron are big, but the size of the activity is too small for the total profit to be that huge
46:35 <Nothing\> lol Ampera i think luci's smarter than she makes herself out to be, a la the mice in douglas adams' books
46:42 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i had em all
46:45 <Ampera> Nothing\, wha?
46:46 <Ampera> who?
46:52 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol my younger cat
47:07 <Ampera> I swear you people are trying to give me a headache
47:07 <Nothing\> i caught her watching a video on quantum mechanics with me earlier
47:15 <Nothing\> she was watching it behind my back
47:35 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's okay, my mom's trying to talk to me and i'm trying to listen to her and talk to her while talking to you guys lol
47:54 <rust_collector> and now she made a free energy generator, but won't tell you how?
49:04 <Nothing\> oh wow
49:09 <Nothing\> another skateboarding game
49:12 <Nothing\> so exciting
49:15 <Nothing\> so novel
49:27 <Nothing\> nobody's ever done something so groundbreaking as this before
49:37 <coppice> The big threat to nVidias GPU business is still not AMD. Its Intel's integrated GPUS. I suspect nVidia's interest in ARM is more a fear of the whole GPU market can be made to crater, by good enough Intel GPUs, that a business expansion
49:46 <Nothing\> i will admit, i bought skate 3 on the ps3 but only cuz it's so glitchy
50:08 <Nothing\> and watching videos of the glitches had me laughing till tears streamed from my eyes
50:36 <Nothing\> there's nothing funnier than ragdoll physics gone awry
50:52 <Nothing\> except when it goes awry irl
51:23 <Nothing\> jeeez
51:29 <Nothing\> some millenium falcon toy for $500
51:36 <Nothing\> smuggler's run or something i dunno
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56:51 <Nothing\> huh, they once investigated using ammonia to power street cars
57:03 <Nothing\> cuz it's got 1/3 the energy density of diesel
57:52 <Nothing\> The raw energy density of liquid ammonia is 11.5 MJ/L,[73] which is about a third that of diesel. There is the opportunity to convert ammonia back to hydrogen, where it can be used to power hydrogen fuel cells or directly within high-temperature fuel cells.
58:08 <Nothing\> i don't see how all that rigamaroll is superior to a diesel engine
58:23 <Nothing\> but diesel probably had a hard time getting into the market with his engine
59:02 <coppice> Nothing\: Its all fashion. Dieselgate put diesels out of fashion
59:22 <Nothing\> can't tell if you're being serious lol
59:35 <Nothing\> dieselgate sounds like something that could actually happen
00:02 <Nothing\> or rather, some buzzword the media would invent to describe said event
00:11 <Nothing\> like meltdown
00:23 <coppice> I am. everything that's environmental is more about fashion than responding to real problems
00:24 <Nothing\> such an unnecessary buzzword
00:35 <Nothing\> i prefer "unrequested fission surplus"
01:06 <Nothing\> coppice, well that seems to be the case for anything relating to health and wellness of people as well
01:13 <Nothing\> like anti-vaxxing
01:31 <Nothing\> on the surface they say it's for their kid. but really it's just mob mentality
01:36 <coppice> even DEC eventually went anti-VAX
01:49 <Nothing\> DEC?
01:55 <Nothing\> decrement?
02:07 <Nothing\> lol that's how my brain read it
02:17 <Nothing\> then as decimal
03:51 <Nothing\> speaking of which, i got this cool little app/game on steam called astra-256. it's just a computer simulator with 256 bytes of ram. seems to focus on calculator
03:55 <Nothing\> calculation
04:33 <Nothing\> it's pretty neat, but there's no way to view the opcodes and their hex values while also viewing a hex editor for the memory
05:21 <Nothing\> i find myself writing out page after page of opcodes, then i forget which notebook it was in or where in said notebook
06:21 <Ampera> coppice, it was just an alpha for alpha.
07:31 <Nothing\> the hell is an 8 bit battery?
07:39 <coppice> Alpha, the VAX beta
07:45 <Nothing\> i'm translating this from russian so it mighta gotten lost in translation
07:52 <Nothing\> but this says
08:07 <coppice> does it mean 8 cell?
08:08 <Nothing\> 8-bit processor , which has an 8-bit battery , as well as 8-bit registers are displayed in memory : command counter; input data register; source data register; stack pointer and register flags.
08:22 <Nothing\> coppice, it's an app lol
08:48 <Nothing\> probably just russian getting lost in translation
08:51 <Ampera> 8-bit battery?
08:55 <Ampera> do the mean an accumulator?
09:12 <coppice> yeah, that adds up
09:16 <Nothing\> original text:
09:18 <Nothing\> 8-розрядний процесор, який має 8-розрядний акумулятор, а так-же відображаються на пам'ять 8-розрядні регістри: лічильник команд; регістр вхідних даних; регістр вихідних даних; покажчик стека і регістр прапорів.
09:20 <Ampera> coppice, way to subtract from the situation
09:30 <Ampera> "акумулятор"
09:33 <Ampera> so yes, accumulator
09:40 <Nothing\> yup
09:53 <Nothing\> that's weird that accumulator translates to battery
09:59 <Nothing\> i wonder in what context they mean
10:10 <Ampera> https://nypost.com/2020/10/28/costco-pulling-products-allegedly-made-with-forced-monkey-labor/
10:15 <Ampera> TIL monkey slaves are a thing
10:26 <Ampera> either that or this is a /really/ racist article
10:59 <Ampera> Nothing\, in general, accumulator is a semi-archaic term used to mean anything that stores power
11:22 <coppice> back in the store age
11:28 <Nothing\> Ampera, ah makes sense. like condensor for caps
11:40 <Nothing\> which, i always wondered what exactly they condense
11:44 <Nothing\> or where they got that name
11:46 <Ampera> energy?
11:50 <Nothing\> yeah i suppose
12:07 <Nothing\> they don't so much condense it as store it thought
12:32 <Nothing\> i mean it does condense the energy, but that just seems incidental more than purposeful
13:01 <Ampera> the name seems logical enough for me
13:03 <Ampera> er, to me
13:08 <Nothing\> it's not like pure energy takes up a lot of space anyways, even condensed into matter
13:20 <Nothing\> yeah i'll have to look up the etymology
13:53 <Nothing\> wiki has a nice list of various substances and their energy densities
14:13 <Nothing\> but the problem is this is the energy based on different ways of extracting it, chemical, nuclear, etc
14:14 <Ampera> condense doesn't mean it has to be densely packed, it's like concentrate, just means to have more in an area than otherwise
14:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh i found a game/app i think you'd enjoy
14:53 <Ampera> doubt it
15:53 <Nothing\> it's a 2d physics sim that lets you generate graphs for various simulations you make. lots of freedom. works like a paint program but you can make various mechanisms and such with it
16:17 <Ampera> played games like that before made in flash, was never a big fan
16:19 <Nothing\> i made a toilet where the water gets pumped back up into a cistern that drains back into the poor fellow's mouth
16:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah this puts those games to shame
16:35 <Nothing\> i know the sort you're talking about
16:43 <Nothing\> just lookt at this demo
16:48 <Nothing\> this demo is what sold me
17:07 <Ampera> bbl, on the phone
18:43 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa9xn-xYQQk&ab_channel=Algoryx
18:54 <Nothing\> one cool thing i like is the fluid physics
19:02 <Nothing\> and you can turn any object into water
19:19 <Nothing\> make gears, hinges, ropes, chains
19:57 <Nothing\> it's very robust and not at all like those shitty flash games
27:00 <Nothing\> here's the DL link
27:01 <Nothing\> http://www.algodoo.com/download/
27:12 <Nothing\> like, i've seen people make geneva drives with this
27:30 <Nothing\> some very clever and complex stuff compared to those flash apps
31:09 <Nothing\> i find it's really nice to get my create juices flowing when i get an idea for a mechanism or something and haven't got the tools to make it, which is almost always.
32:35 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something, is it generally safe practice to have part of a consumer produc which is connected to the neutral line easily accessible to the consumer where they can accidentally touch it and not be aware.
33:22 <Nothing\> like, i have this kettle with a stand that has this copper nub on it that connects to the neutral side
34:04 <Nothing\> and the nub's just flapping in the breeze where anyone can touch it
37:36 <coppice> In general you need to prevent a standard test finger reaching anything connected to mains power, its surprising what product approval rules allow. Look in a toaster, and see how easy it is to make contact with the element in most of those.
40:30 <Nothing\> coppice, heh i always used to think a stove element as a whole was the part taht produced the actual heat. I didn't realize the nichrome is so much thinner and the element is just a coating on it.
41:03 <Nothing\> but toasters probably use the exact same nichrome as stoves and ovens
41:55 <Nothing\> and i wouldn't imagine they'd need like 7mm wide wire for it
42:04 <coppice> most toasters wrap the nichrome around a sheet of mica. You can see it glowing when the toaster is on. you can get your finger to it when the toaster is off
43:30 <coppice> well, you can get your finger to it when the toaster is on, but people are less likely to attempt that. people do poke knives and forks in to toaster slots, trying to release stuck slices. its amazing that doesn't cause more injuries
44:03 <Nothing\> what about the coating on stove elements? what are those generally made of?
44:45 <coppice> do you means the metal tubes filled with nichrome wire and ceramic?
46:08 <coppice> there must be some craft skills involved in keeping the nichrome centred in the pre-cured ceramic as its put into the tube
46:39 <Nothing\> yeah that sounds about right
46:56 <Nothing\> though i seem to remember some sort of white powder, but maybe i'm thinking something else
47:45 <coppice> I think some are packed with a powdered ceramic, rather than a cured lump
47:53 <Nothing\> ah
48:12 <Nothing\> who'da thought just stove elements could be a source of interest
48:43 <coppice> lots of simple devices have some interesting craft skills in their construction
49:05 <Nothing\> oh very much so
49:17 <coppice> optical fibres production is a tale of craft skills
49:24 <Nothing\> i've always said anything can be interesting to anyone given the right perspective
49:30 <Nothing\> anywho, gotta go pick up a script
49:31 <Nothing\> bbiab
49:34 <Nothing\> take care, buddy
37:29 <Nothing\> i wanna get a short wave radio receiver but it's hard to find a good one
37:51 <Nothing\> seems like half of them come from china and only go down to 8mhz at the lowest
38:15 <Nothing\> and the other half are high end machines that cost several hundred dollars
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20:34 <Ysjoelfir> ssdawdasdrust_collector I see what you mean with that video. A simple piece of U-shaped iron would have been easyer to start with I think :D
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06:46 <Lord_of_nothing_> sry people i was falling asleep
40:01 <electrohead> Nothing\: https://mfjenterprises.com/products/mfj-8100k
56:29 <hsn> Hoi
58:50 <electrohead> hey hsn
58:58 <hsn> Sup
59:07 <hsn> Where is Halcyon
00:28 <hsn> I ve what we call "word of head" with him
05:58 <electrohead> he's probably sleeping in, lol
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24:43 <Nothing\> welp, i got my crowns done
27:22 <coppice> What's the final bill?
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37:52 <T3sl4> coppice: he's not a duck
37:57 <T3sl4> ...or a furry
38:41 <electrohead> lol
38:42 <coppice> of course he's not a duck. they don't have teeth to crown
38:49 <electrohead> Nothing\: did you get my link from before?
44:39 <Nothing\> coppice, so far $4000 and change
44:53 <Nothing\> i've got one more to de
45:55 <Nothing\> i'm glad i doped myesfl up first today though cuz he decided nitrous wasn't necessary for what he was donig
46:13 <Nothing\> which it really wasn't. but i was still uncomfortable
46:20 <coppice> Nothing\: when I lived in HK our dentist was a family friend, so I got my crowns done cheap. I hate to think of the cost to get them done in the UK now
46:37 <Nothing\> he was just cementing some crowns to their posts
46:50 <coppice> its unpleasant when then do the glueing of the crown, but it doesn't last that long
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49:59 <Nothing\> yeah just checked my bill, it's $400 for the porcelain crown and $600 for the lab work to produce said tooth
50:51 <Nothing\> and i'm getting 5 total
51:43 <Nothing\> not bad considering i had 10 root canals and didn't pay a dime
52:57 <Nothing\> not to mention the many fillings i've had too
53:30 <Nothing\> several dozen in the last few years
55:03 <coppice> they last quite well. I had to have one replaced after about 5 years, because the glue failed. They are now 20 years old, and that's the only trouble I have had
22:33 <Halcyon> Back later gents
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55:14 <coppice> T3sl4: Its 10 years since I implemented arithmetic coding for JBIG, and it all seems like a blur right now. :)
57:32 <T3sl4> i want JSMOL
59:36 <coppice> javascript is for sinners
01:53 <T3sl4> that's why there's 6.02^10x23 of them, burn the sin away with the burning CPU heat of a star
22:56 <Nothing\> i've still got one more crown to do
24:00 <Nothing\> but i'm telling him to give me hte damn nitrous. my homebrewcock/lail didn't work as wess a i'h hoped
25:38 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i'm more inclined to think it's the universe itself which is mathematical in nature
26:38 <Nothing\> what implicitations that has or to what degree it relies on math to function are very much beyond me
28:46 <Nothing\> i like to consider the implicatnios of 2 dimensions of time
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30:33 <rust_collector> TOAST!
30:58 <Nothing\> i Love you T3sl4 and I hope many good things happen for you and yours
31:10 Quit: Halcyon ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
33:12 <Nothing\> in fact, much as it makes me sound like i'm on ecstacy, which i'm not lol, i wish nothing but the best for everyone everywhere na matter their relationship to me
35:15 <Nothing\> i just want everybody to be in a good place in life and to have the things they neeed to trive and have many positive thngs both in their lives and happening in their lives
38:01 <Nothing\> i feel weird deing it, but not a lot o people just stop and are like "hey, I hope really great things will happen to you today" or "I hope you're able to find what you're searching for in life" I feel like it should be done more often.
38:40 * T3sl4 hug Nothing\
39:22 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3
39:54 <Nothing\> you are care about by this goofy, curious, and nerdy canadanian
40:02 <Nothing\> careD
44:10 <Nothing\> i may not know everything about you. i may not know anything about you, for all i know. but what i do know is you're a person and not to get tee mushy, i try my best to treat all humans the same, no matter their situationn. certainly a difficult skill to try and learn but also just as important i would say
46:50 <T3sl4> i think you might still be feeling it a bit yeah :P
46:55 <T3sl4> but appreciated nonetheless ^-^
47:17 <coppice> T3sl4: are you feeding an image bit stream directly to an arithmetic encoder?
47:32 <T3sl4> coppice: i can
47:51 <T3sl4> current intent is to have a static format to decode on demand (embedded)
49:07 <coppice> if you have complex images I guess that's the right approach. However, most graphics is sparce, so most graphic image compression schemes, like JBIG, deal with the sparcity first, and feed the results of that through an arithmetic encoder
53:45 <T3sl4> well all the statistics are in the post
54:53 <coppice> are you trying to compress fonts or general page images?
58:23 <coppice> fonts are quite busy. most pages are quite sparce. there is open source code for JBIG (libjbig), T.85 (a subset of JBIG for FAX, implemented in spandsp), and others.
02:30 <T3sl4> right now i just want a solution for text
03:24 <T3sl4> when i get around to images i'll use whatever low-memory libpng variant there is
05:26 <coppice> just stream text through an arithmetic encoder with a dynamic CDF generator
06:10 <T3sl4> i mean printing text. i have a graphic display with no text modes, rather hard to printf much of anything on that y'know? :P
07:41 <coppice> so its sparce image data. text is always sparce. that's why FAXes send reasonably quickly
08:31 <coppice> and why a laser printer doesn't cost a fortune to run
08:31 <T3sl4> yes
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34:05 <Halcyon> YAY :)
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44:25 <arch> is it possible to make fully analog MPPT solar controllers?
44:33 <arch> no microcontrollers
52:00 <arch> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269303754_Analog_MPPT_controller_circuit_used_in_photovoltaic_pumping_systems
52:12 <arch> pretty cool, tho they haven't posted the schematic
52:49 <arch> must wait for the chinese or russian spies to dump it. bless their service.
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34:29 <steve30> Are Amperas tasty?
34:39 <Halcyon> Kind of salty
34:43 <Halcyon> A bit chewy :P
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47:30 <Halcyon> What do I taste like? :P
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19:10 <Ysjoelfir> whoops
19:10 <Ysjoelfir> sorry
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30:15 <K> hello
30:41 <Halcyon> Evening K
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44:57 <hsn> Haalo
45:04 <hsn> Halcyon:
47:20 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
47:43 <Halcyon> How is Bahrain today?
47:54 <hsn> Halcyon did u see cake eating cake?
48:00 <Halcyon> No?
48:08 <damian> hey peepol
48:10 <hsn> Wait lit me sjow u
48:49 <Halcyon> Sup damian ?
48:59 <damian> not much, just sat down for the night
49:18 <Halcyon> With or without pants?
50:03 <hsn> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/a/Fi78F3u
50:23 <hsn> He is cake at begining .. cream at end
50:44 <Halcyon> I have the sound off, but it looks stupid
51:20 <hsn> Oh man
51:22 <hsn> Loo
51:23 <hsn> Lol
51:33 <hsn> He is saying
51:45 <hsn> Did u see cake eating cake?
51:55 <Halcyon> OK ?
52:01 <hsn> As cake can mean .. "buety"
52:14 <Halcyon> Riiiight
53:01 <Nevoness> Heya
53:23 <hsn> Also bahrain today isnt hot
53:54 <Nevoness> Does anyone here have experience with LON (LONWorks)?
54:04 <Halcyon> Not I
54:11 <Halcyon> But it sounds interesting
54:23 <Nevoness> Well i got an entire building worth of LON gear
54:25 <Nevoness> FOr free
54:32 <hsn> I ve experience at lonely :)
54:49 <Nevoness> They are switching my office building over to KNX.
54:58 <Nevoness> Was kinds wondering if i could use the modules for something.
55:25 <Nevoness> They seem to be really high quality, and very modular. Kinda thinking about throwing some ESP32's at the modules
55:37 <steve30> hmm, the design of the My eBay page has changed
56:12 <Nevoness> Since the LONWorks programmers are quite expensive. Dont know if i want to spend that money on an old semi-dead system
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12:19 <Nevoness> @steve30000000, Bouncy network?
13:07 <steve30000000> yup
14:49 <steve30000000> Apparently the ISP had to reboot some switches, and one didn't boot
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16:49 <Nevoness> Well yikes
16:52 <Nevoness> Thats always fun
18:52 <Nevoness> Reminds me when i had to power off an entire network locker for one of our remote locations.
19:16 <Nevoness> The modem just didnt power up anymore.
20:57 <steve30> eek
21:32 * steve30 needs coffee
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30:20 <Ysjoelfir> mornings :)
31:05 <steve30> hello Ysjoelfir
31:11 <hsn> hallo Ysjoelfir
31:17 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr steve
31:18 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr sand
32:15 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, du ist klug und gruB (gruss)
32:32 <hsn> sehr klug
33:05 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
33:08 <Ysjoelfir> I am intelligent!
33:11 * Ysjoelfir happies
33:41 <hsn> ich bin hsn und klug
33:57 <Ysjoelfir> indeed!
34:08 <hsn> nein sehr klug .. but klug
34:47 <hsn> enough for today
34:48 <Ysjoelfir> you mean nicht sehr klug, aber klug! ;)
34:50 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D
35:19 <hsn> ja
38:37 <Ysjoelfir> is rusticles online?
41:34 <hsn> didnt see him
41:53 <hsn> probably sleeping
41:54 <hsn> ?
42:25 <Ysjoelfir> maybe.
44:00 <Ysjoelfir> I got a letter from swedish government, demanding toll for me passing automated toll stations in norway this year! they even have photographic evidence!!! XD
44:56 <K> eh?
45:29 <hsn> toll = ?
45:32 <hsn> money
45:42 <Ysjoelfir> yes, they have automated toll stations. pretty cool actually, basically a bridge with a gazillion cameras, and when you drive through it they shoot pics from your license plate and send you a bill later
45:55 <Ysjoelfir> toll = road useage payment
59:31 <hsn> terrif on lame leazons ?
00:09 <Ysjoelfir> yes
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18:22 <Nevoness> Coffee would be nice
18:32 <Nevoness> Hrm. My laptop just randomly powered off. How fun.
39:33 * Ampera1 wakes up
39:45 <Ampera1> my ZNC took a crap last night it seems
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57:30 <steve30> I tried to install my Wireless card on one of my WinXP boxes. It associated with the AP but won't get an IP address. Also the CD I burned to use on that machine, doesn't work on it
01:23 <damian> sounds like you're having a bad day
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05:25 <Ampera> not as bad as the people in philly
05:27 <Ampera> 9PM curfew
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23:54 <Halcyon> Oi
23:58 <Halcyon> Where is my hug?
24:05 <Ampera> in the post
24:21 * Ampera smacks Halcyon instead
24:42 <Halcyon> That'll do
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27:08 <electrohead> I drop my car off soon to get cleaned/detailed
27:20 <electrohead> inside and out, and to include getting my headlights restored
27:22 <electrohead> yay
27:29 <Ampera> how much are you paying for that
28:01 <electrohead> $180 for everything today
28:11 <Ampera> nice
28:18 <Ampera> I've been considering having my car professionally detailed than just doing myself
28:18 <electrohead> yeah it's not too too bad overall
28:27 <Ampera> because it properly needs the fabrics and mats cleaned
28:37 <Ampera> it's a '93 and hasn't had that in its life most likely
28:39 <electrohead> that's exactly why I'm doing this today, lol
29:00 <electrohead> just want everything professionally done this one time, then from here on out, I shall do it myself
29:34 <electrohead> but, especially the seats
29:43 <Nevoness> Sounds nice
29:55 <Nevoness> I really need to get mine polished at some point
29:59 <electrohead> then next week, the engine is getting dropped >.<
30:01 <Nevoness> And the hood redone
30:07 <Ampera> the main issue with my car is small bits of trim that have gotten worn, cracked, or just broken over the years
30:08 <Nevoness> Oh yikes, why that?
30:36 <electrohead> I have some trim that's getting there as well, but slowly I'm replacing this and that on it.
30:45 <electrohead> Nevoness: my head gaskets are slowly going, yay
30:59 <electrohead> I don't have a garage or capable tools to do it myself, so I'm outsourcing, lol
31:12 <Ampera> Thankfully my car is low mileage as it was never a /daily/ driver
31:24 <Nevoness> Uuugh, that always sucks. SOunds like a V engine?
31:39 <electrohead> but the shop has good reputation, and for $3,000 they are replacing all gaskets leading up to the head gaskets, timing belt, water pump, and a few other things
31:46 <electrohead> 2004 Subary WRX
31:50 <electrohead> Subaru*
31:54 <Nevoness> EJ25?
32:04 <electrohead> it's the 2.0 liter
32:06 <electrohead> turbo
32:20 <Nevoness> Ah, yeah those like to eat headgaskets :P (Sadly)
32:24 <Ampera> 2.0 liter, hah tiny
32:37 <Nevoness> I have a 2.5l i6
32:50 <electrohead> Ampera: the turbo, aftermarket parts and software, and the tuning combined, it feels much bigger, lol
33:01 <electrohead> fucking thing moves
33:02 * Ysjoelfir is happy with his turbocharged 2.3l i4
33:03 <Ampera> I have a 231ci Buick V6
33:31 <Ampera> eevblog convert 231cuin to cc
33:36 <Ampera> oh right
33:42 <Ampera> the bot's dead, one second
33:50 <Ysjoelfir> löl
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34:15 <Nevoness> 3.8l
34:20 <Ampera> I think I did cuin and cc as volume conversion
34:29 <Ampera> aye I know, it says 3800 on the engine iirc :P
34:40 <electrohead> :P
34:41 <Nevoness> The 165hp one?
34:44 <Ampera> I just enjoy annoying people with customary units
34:51 <Ampera> I think it was 170hp, but close enough
34:59 <Ampera> 1993 Buick Regal Custom 4 door
35:10 <Ampera> eevblog convert 231cuin to cc
35:10 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
35:14 <Ampera> ah, no I didn't
35:16 <Nevoness> Heh, my 2.5l has the same power output :P
35:17 <Ampera> another thing to add
35:20 <Ysjoelfir> though you never implemented essential things like kiloponds for force and torr, mmhg or kilogram per square centimeter for pressure :D
35:37 <Ampera> all I have is distance, volume, weight, and I believe speed
35:37 <Ysjoelfir> hey, my 2.3l also has the same power... :P
35:39 <electrohead> part of me misses my old 1978 Buick Electra limited edition. it had an 8-track player :D
35:53 <Ampera> oh yeah, GM engines are massive with no power output
36:04 <Nevoness> @Ysjoelfir, But mine doesnt need a turbo for that ;) NA is lovely.
36:45 <Nevoness> @Ampera, Only difference is that mine makes slightly less torque, but has 5hp more. lol...
36:48 <electrohead> Nevoness: my current WRX is my first turbo'd car. it's a new love of mine, and will never go back to NA hahaha
37:11 <electrohead> the acceleration feels good of the turbo
37:25 <Ampera> My grandfather has a 2010 LaCrosse with a 3.6L engine making 280hp
37:35 <Ysjoelfir> Nevoness, still nice to stay with a 22 years old volvo brick at the traffic lights, some 18yo in his polo besides you, rolling closer and closer and closer, waiting for the light to go green, looking very quickly at your taillights as soon as they finally ARE green...:P
37:37 <Nevoness> Tho my engine got weirdly gimped. The predecessor with the same displacement but less advanced engine management/valvetrain control has 192HP...
37:44 <Ampera> and 259 lb ft of torque, though I forget what mine makes
38:07 <electrohead> should probably put mine on a dyno and see what the HP and torque is
38:23 <Nevoness> My car is a 1999 BMW E39 523i, with the M52TUB25 engine.
38:24 <Ampera> I'm not going to because I can now say that mine is likely 170hp
38:32 <Ampera> or rather 170 at the crank
38:45 <Ampera> even at the wheel I imagine it'll be much, much less after all this time
39:27 <Nevoness> tho i have 376k km on my car, yet still going strong ^.^
39:46 <Ampera> so 376gm
39:56 <Nevoness> huh?
40:10 <Ampera> every SI guy goes all happy about their unit system, but never uses most of it
40:18 <Ampera> 376 thousand thousand meters is just dumb
40:19 <Ysjoelfir> only 376Mm? thats not much.
40:23 <Ampera> right mm
40:27 <Ampera> er, Mm
40:46 <Ampera> it's 07:40 is my excuse
41:22 <Ysjoelfir> but seriously, thats not that much...
41:23 <Nevoness> Meanwhile i just had lunch and am now enjoying desert
41:54 <Nevoness> well 376k is considered quite a lot over here. Considering that a lot of people wont buy cars with more than 100k on the clock
42:14 <Ysjoelfir> I'm just joking because I drive a volvo :) https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/1012809.html
42:20 <Ampera> I have no clue what mine has, probably 100kmi-ish
42:30 <Ampera> eevblog convert 100000 mi to km
42:31 <EEVBlog> The result is: 160,934 km
42:36 <Ysjoelfir> which I bought with 444Mm
43:11 <Nevoness> well, i bought mine with 260k
43:16 <Nevoness> 2 years ago
43:19 <Nevoness> or 3?
43:21 <Ampera> I never bought mine
43:40 <Nevoness> I dont remember, it just sat for quite a while since i didnt have a license yet lol. (But had to have the car)
43:51 <Ysjoelfir> then you drive a hell of a lot more than I do (now, will be more next year because work changes from 8km to probably more like 50km each direction)
43:52 <Ampera> my car is a hmd
44:35 <Nevoness> Ysjoelfir: Yeah i tend to drive around 50-60k a year
45:04 <Ampera> I've never driven more than a mile in my life
45:12 <Nevoness> wut
45:13 <Nevoness> Why
45:18 <Ampera> it's against the law for me to
45:26 <Ysjoelfir> because he hasn't a license yet. :P
45:32 <Nevoness> Oh :P
45:34 <Ampera> license is the easy part
45:40 <Ampera> insurance on the other hand
45:46 <Nevoness> Well Its my first day here, dont know the people yet ^^
45:55 <Ampera> don't worry I don't know me either
46:01 <Nevoness> Sounds about right
47:36 <Nevoness> Its refreshing to be back on an IRC tbh. Has been way too long for me
47:42 * Ysjoelfir just chewed on a pack of drying agent >_>
47:53 <Ampera> mmm, silica gel
47:54 <Ysjoelfir> you should stay. its nice here
47:58 <Nevoness> But it says "DO NOT EAT"
48:00 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, delicious, right?
48:11 <Ampera> Nevoness, fuck the rules
48:15 <Nevoness> lol.
48:23 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't swallow it, but I bit onto it as it stuck to my elk jerky
48:36 <Ampera> I have eaten the insides of one of those packages
48:45 <Ampera> well not in its entirety
48:48 <Ampera> but partially
48:49 <Ysjoelfir> that might explain a few things
49:01 <Ampera> it's literally sand
49:08 <Ampera> silica, that's all it is
49:19 <Ysjoelfir> thats not wrong
49:47 <Ampera> my big pot of stroganov calls to me...
50:07 <Ysjoelfir> my dirty kitchen does the same. wanna swap?
50:12 <Ampera> no
50:17 <Ampera> because I cleaned after I cooked
50:20 <Ampera> like a responsible idiot
50:28 <Nevoness> Eyy you also have a dirty kitchen?
50:44 <Nevoness> lol.
51:03 <Ampera> I'm really starting to enjoy ELO's earlier albums, I think just because I've gotten sick of their later stuff. I'm on On the Third Day and it's really really nice
51:05 <Ysjoelfir> I did that 2 days ago, too. but then I went to work and all of the sudden when I came back mrs. Ysjoelfir was sitting on the sofa and the kitchen was the same as it was yesterday morning.
52:05 <Ampera> Buy a dishwasher so you can put off loading and unloading it instead of just doing dishes and having them actually come out right
52:18 <Nevoness> My dishwasher is in my goddamn bathroom.
52:32 <Ysjoelfir> we have one. and its in the kitchen as well. and it even works
52:36 <Nevoness> Dont have space in my kitchen x.x
52:45 <Nevoness> 31Sqm apartment :P
52:49 <Ampera> Nevoness, I was about to say why are you telling me what she's doing, then you ruined it.
52:53 <Ysjoelfir> we just have to much stuff so its always something standing somewhere
53:06 <Ysjoelfir> lol
53:27 <Ampera> I live in a 2 family 3 story+basement house and am constantly out of space
53:39 <Ampera> I don't take up much space, it's just that I have 2 rooms for what should be a house's worth of shit
53:42 <Nevoness> Ampera: Had a good chuckle there.
54:07 <Nevoness> I still have no damn clue what i should do with all of those
54:07 <Ysjoelfir> We have 76mm². way to small.
54:09 <Nevoness> https://postimg.cc/gallery/Q8y1pYQ
54:17 <Ampera> When people say others laugh with me, not at me, I feel a wave of disappointment.
54:47 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, 76mm^2? For where you live?
54:55 <Ampera> I have cardboard boxes that are larger
55:05 <Ysjoelfir> erm
55:09 <Ysjoelfir> 76m²
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> had a shaky finger there ;P
55:26 <Ampera> Nevoness, those industrial controllers of some sort?
55:32 <Ysjoelfir> looks like it
55:38 <Nevoness> Well at least im alone i guess. 31m² isnt that bad. But heck, with all the stuff i have sitting around its kinda cramped.
55:50 <Nevoness> Ampera, Yeah, those are old LON-Bus modules.
55:57 <Nevoness> Building automization
56:10 <Ysjoelfir> ebay?
56:12 <Ampera> I have no clue what the hell a meter is, nor what one looks like squared, and even if I did, I couldn't tell you how many sq feet the house is
56:29 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 76m to ft
56:29 <EEVBlog> The result is: 249.344 ft
56:46 <Ampera> yeah so we have maybe 1000-2000sq ft in our place
56:54 <Ampera> somewhere within that range, low or high I have no clue
56:56 <Nevoness> They dont seem to be on ebay at all. Tho i know that one of those modules (if you can get it new) sells for between 200-600€
57:02 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1500 ft to m
57:02 <EEVBlog> The result is: 457.2 m
57:35 <Ysjoelfir> just throw some on there Nevoness and see if they sell :) you could only win, as they are occupying space?
57:45 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, you have just enough space I think.
57:49 <Nevoness> Well right now they just sit in my office.
58:23 <Nevoness> Im kinda thinking about reusing them somehow. I would really like to mess with the LON (LONWorks) Bus, but the Programmers for it are expensive as heck
59:00 <Ysjoelfir> pop a different micro in there and use them with any protocoll you like?
59:09 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, not my house
59:12 <Nevoness> Also there is very little info about it and it seems like they also arent really a thing that people tinkered with.
59:19 <Ampera> which is the main problem I have
59:34 <Ampera> I'm planning to buy a house next year though, hopefully around the same size
59:56 <Nevoness> I still cant really imagine myself buying a hose
59:58 <Nevoness> house*
00:18 <Ampera> well that's because you live in Europe where houses cost as much as a good punch to the face
00:37 <Ampera> my budget of 120k is about reasonable for what I'm looking for
00:53 <Nevoness> 120k doesnt even get you an apartment here
01:01 <Nevoness> (I live in Austria)
01:16 <Ampera> I live in the united states of aw fuck
01:20 <Ysjoelfir> same. apartments in germanistan start around 200k
01:39 <Ampera> most apartments aren't purchased here, they're rented
01:46 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
01:47 <Nevoness> Well, same here
01:47 <Ampera> as they tend to be the "low end" option
01:52 <Nevoness> But some folks do buy them
02:05 <Ampera> the issue is that a mortgage for a 120k home would be cheaper than renting
02:23 <Ampera> so as long as I build the upfront capital to get that going it'll save me an obscene amount of money, since I can rent out the second family
02:31 <Nevoness> I pay about 400€ with all utilities etc for my apartment
02:36 <Nevoness> a month
02:37 <Ampera> HAHAHAHAHAHA
02:39 <Ampera> HAHAHA
02:40 <Ampera> HAHAHAHAHAHA
02:49 <Nevoness> o.o
02:50 <Ampera> My mom pays 700USD/mo for a one room
03:03 <Nevoness> Heck
03:08 <Ampera> in a quite shitty building that hasn't seen an upgrade since the 30's
03:12 <Ampera> and that's considered generous
03:29 <Nevoness> Sounds like the US :P
03:36 <Ampera> that's why people buy
03:38 <Ysjoelfir> <-- 800 for our 76m² right at the outskirts of frankfurt.
03:49 <Ysjoelfir> which is... insanely cheap nowadays
03:51 <Ampera> and we literally have the lowest federal interest rate the US has ever seen, iirc
04:23 <Nevoness> i could upgrade to a cheaper 60m² apartment...
04:29 <Nevoness> But i dont want to go through the hassle of moving
04:47 <Nevoness> At least i would have more than a single room then
05:05 <Ampera> My dad bought this house for around 80k in 2010, though he had to invest quite a bit into getting it livable
05:23 <Ampera> it wasn't run down or anything, just old for a good chunk of it
06:02 <Ampera> so I want something that is acceptable enough to reside in without serious work, even if I would want to improve it later on.
06:07 <Nevoness> Ill most likely inherit my dads house somewhat soon. Tho not because of death etc, but because he wants to move away into the nowhere
06:25 <Ampera> mostly for my mom's benefit, but as I said my mom lives in an apartment that would be lucky to have knob and tube
07:23 <Ampera> but for this 80k house our mortgage was about 750/mo, and after a refinance it's 700/mo
08:11 <Ampera> no apartment policy, no deposit, and all that money you effectively pay in part to yourself as an investment
09:02 <Ampera> that last bit is the big one for me, as I hate the idea of spending hundreds a month and never seeing it again
09:27 <Nevoness> Thats why some people here end up rent-buying
09:46 <Nevoness> Since its sometimes cheaper than a loan from the bank
09:56 <Ampera> isn't a thing here
10:00 <Ampera> not where I live anyways
10:05 <Ampera> you rent or you buy
10:13 <Nevoness> It is here, tho pretty much only for apartment
10:27 <Ampera> our advantage is the FHA, which provides government insured loans to financial institutions to make buying a house far easier
10:57 <Ampera> FHA loan down is anywhere from nothing to 10%, with a common value being 3.6%, whereas a private loan is often 10-20% and you need far nicer credit
11:04 <Nevoness> I just really dont want to settle down and fix myself to some place
12:01 <Ampera> I actually have a bit of an ambition to become a landlord
12:42 <Ampera> but in general it's quite possible for me to sell and move
13:09 <Ampera> especially as I work for a company with offices across the nation (and even Canada), so a transfer would be possible
14:00 * Nevoness waits until the damn automated installer for Windows 7 finally finishes the first step of the installation. 
14:45 <Nevoness> Sounds quite nice.
15:04 <Ampera> I don't remember the last time I used Windows 7
15:10 <Nevoness> The way we have to roll out those old machines is painful
15:10 <Ampera> I use 10 for work, but otherwise prefer to stay far away
15:17 <Nevoness> especially for our remote locations
15:22 <Ampera> Windows 7 installs were painful when it was new
15:32 <Nevoness> Nah a stock W7 installer is fine with me
15:35 <Nevoness> Just not networked
15:42 <Ampera> installing is fine
15:44 <Ampera> updating
15:48 <Ampera> is not
16:33 <Nevoness> Its currently transfering data like this: Server@Remote Location -> 2mbit upload DSL connection -> Server in our location -> Notebook
16:53 <Nevoness> And transfering a good 10GB's of install data really isnt fun over such a slow connection
17:13 <Nevoness> And we cant use our local server since the notebook is configured for the remote location
17:35 <Ampera> 2mbit DSL?
17:39 <Ampera> what is this 2001?
17:55 <Nevoness> Its been sitting at "Extracting Windows files" for over 2h. Now at 64%
18:09 <Nevoness> No, its called government equipment
18:36 <Ampera> what I find hilarious is here in NY, our capital Albany where the government is
18:38 <Ampera> they banned fiber
19:02 <Nevoness> I work as an IT Admin for the courts in Upper Styria
19:02 <Ampera> they literally refuse to give a license to operate to the one fiber company that has been offering FttP for literally every other city in the region including where I live
19:12 <Nevoness> wtf?
19:13 <Nevoness> Whyy
19:21 <Ampera> because they have an exclusive deal with the local DOCSIS provider
19:26 <Ampera> so everyone gets nice, shiny, coax :P
19:36 <Nevoness> Same thing i have at home :P
19:38 <Ampera> not a big deal because Albany is basically a ghetto
19:48 <Nevoness> Just that i ended up going with LTE, since fuck paying more than twice for instable cable
20:02 <Ampera> I have 5G, but it's rarely available for the home
20:09 <Ampera> I have 940/880 FttP
20:14 <Ampera> and an ISP that's not a massive dick
20:24 <Nevoness> Mobile data for the home is huuuuge here
20:33 <Nevoness> and so are unlimited data plans
20:39 <Nevoness> (Properly unlimited.)
20:59 <Nevoness> they start at around 19€/Month for a 40mbit plan
21:00 <Ampera> I have a "properly" unlimited plan with Deutsche Telekom
21:20 <Nevoness> Wait, Deutsche Telekom in the US?
21:21 <Ampera> it's unlimited but you get deprioritized at 60GB per line
21:26 <Nevoness> ew
21:29 <Ampera> yup, second largest mobile telephone provider in the US
21:32 <Ampera> and one of the better ones
21:46 <Ampera> and the only one with 5G that isn't either shit or non existent, or both
21:51 <Nevoness> Dont you mean TMobile
21:56 <Ampera> I do, same company
21:58 <Nevoness> ah
22:04 <Nevoness> That makes more sense :P
22:54 * Nevoness disappears for a while to deliver some toner cartridges.
23:15 * Ampera just got paid
23:16 <Ampera> Nice.
23:51 <Ampera> Yeah my DT/T-Mobile plan is 200/mo for 5 people, for which I pay 60+30, my mom pays 50, and my dad pays 90-30
24:11 <Ampera> he asked me to cover 30 off his payment so whatever
24:23 <Ampera> my dad otherwise paying for 3 people
24:26 <Ampera> including himself
24:38 <Ampera> we also get (basically) free Netflix for 4 people at once
28:06 <Nevoness> well thats nice
28:20 <Nevoness> i pay around 40€/month for 300/50
28:33 <Nevoness> sometimes 400, sometimes 200
28:34 <Nevoness> lol
28:43 <Ampera> 80/mo is for the 940/880 FttP
28:49 <Ampera> the cellular is just for our phones
29:18 <Nevoness> Ah
29:34 <Nevoness> I sadly cant get fiber at home
29:46 <Nevoness> only some shitty offbrand cable provider
29:52 <Nevoness> that overcharges like crazy
30:22 <Nevoness> weirdly enough we cant get service from other cable providers.
30:25 <Nevoness> Like the main ones
30:39 <Ampera> Most cable providers here are terrible
30:49 <Ampera> and never give upload speed
30:57 * electrohead rubs comcast's nipples
30:59 <Ampera> my grandfather's plan is 1000/35, just so he can get the /35
31:04 <Ampera> otherwise a reasonable 150 plan would / 5
31:22 <Ampera> and in some places comcast forces a data cap
31:31 <Ampera> not middle of nowhere either, nicer parts of chicago
31:49 <Ampera> 1TB/mo and no way to increase it without a nicer plan
35:11 <Nevoness> wtf
35:33 <Nevoness> I dont get why you have so little damn upload
35:55 <Nevoness> even the cheapest plans here like 40mbit and lower have at least 10mbit up
36:30 <Ampera> Nevoness, because comcast is run by cretins
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