// #eevblog — 2020-10-23
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00:15:30 <hsn> https://youtu.be/Uk5F3rQNUkU?t=60 <<---- this guy made me want to smoke
00:15:32 <hsn> right now
00:16:08 <rust_collector> great idea
00:20:47 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr heads head
00:21:48 <rust_collector> Ok, I am going outside. have some smooth pop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG76NwsCzA4
00:22:07 <Ysjoelfir> thanks. :P
00:22:21 <T3sl4> i do enjoy a smooth poop
00:22:24 <T3sl4> oh, i misread that
00:23:28 <rust_collector> T3sl4, kerosene will help. just a shot or two
00:33:49 <Ysjoelfir> oh, mr rust
00:34:12 * Ampera electrohead the hug do
00:34:35 <Ysjoelfir> I recently acquired one of those wrenches hand tool rescue sells. was at a local flea market and that thing was sitting in an old tool box full of rusty shit.
00:35:29 <Ysjoelfir> the wrench was rusty as well, but also packed with insanely sticky grease. which made bartering a bit easyer, having that thing stuck to your glove like it was glued on there
00:52:23 <T3sl4> hah
00:58:26 <Ysjoelfir> hmm?
00:58:33 <Ampera> hooh
00:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> heeeee
00:58:46 <Ampera> HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
01:00:31 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/gX2GSui.jpg
01:00:41 <Ysjoelfir> :P
01:08:36 <Ampera> T3sl4, that's a shitty joke.
01:08:48 <T3sl4> thank you
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01:38:14 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, those are neat. and being non-slip coated is a bonus.
01:59:47 <Ysjoelfir> I still want to clean that thing :P
01:59:49 <Ysjoelfir> its... nasty
02:04:30 <rust_collector> tie a string to it, and drop it in your fuel tank for a week
02:06:20 <T3sl4> rust_collector: ah, i guess that's why you can never run for public office? your finish being not exactly non-stick?
02:06:59 <rust_collector> I only run from public offices. I dunno?
02:07:39 <rust_collector> if what you say is correct, I will take that as a bonus
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02:42:04 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/b0d5NVp.jpg
02:51:38 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
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03:02:04 * arch poops on T3sl4's front yard
03:02:19 * T3sl4 sniffs at the poop, eats it
03:02:30 <arch> ewww
03:02:42 * T3sl4 barks at arch
03:02:50 <arch> no. bad furry
03:02:54 * arch bonks T3sl4
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04:07:56 <rust_collector> kung furry. is that a movie yet?
04:20:27 <T3sl4> yes. it's starring a panda
04:22:40 <rust_collector> ok, wth is a panda in furrspeak?
04:24:42 <rust_collector> whee! I got 2 of those little switches out. I might have to make a punch and die to make a neat panel to mount them
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04:38:33 * rust_collector just made dinner, because he was told to
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06:57:54 <Ysjoelfir> what did the rusty made for dinner?
06:59:00 <rust_collector> he made boiled potatoes and carrots, and heated white "christmas sausage" things, with butter with chives in it
06:59:56 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty tasty
07:00:29 <rust_collector> it is not bad, but slightly on the british side... Oops, I mean, slightly bland
07:01:06 <rust_collector> I also butchered a random pcb from something sony, with many of those optical ports on it
07:02:26 <rust_collector> it was interesting. it had 4 3.3v ldo regulators, 2 5v ones, then 3 7805s and one 7810. . . . . I also made a cup of tea
07:03:02 <Ysjoelfir> component tea? nice!
07:03:29 <rust_collector> bd 135 tea. from 10/71
07:03:53 <Ysjoelfir> nice
07:04:19 <rust_collector> best tasting year for those
07:04:24 <rust_collector> imo
07:05:15 <rust_collector> I think it is a bit weird that they need 4x 3.3v regulators. But meh, that is ok
07:10:03 <rust_collector> I am still wondering about that keyboard thing... I guess I will just try something and see how wrong it is
07:10:25 <Ysjoelfir> do it :P
07:10:39 <Ysjoelfir> right now I'm a bit frustrated because I can't get the damn BMW to run properly
07:11:07 <rust_collector> did you install the turbos?
07:11:13 <rust_collector> that usually helps
07:11:42 <rust_collector> it is a 2 cylinder, right?
07:14:07 <Ysjoelfir> yep. 2 cylinder boxer. I think my cleaned carbs are dirty
07:14:21 <rust_collector> very possible
07:15:04 <rust_collector> is it an issue at idle, or when driving, or when you accelerate, or?
07:15:06 <Ysjoelfir> it starts perfectly fine with full choke or when its warm without any choke and full throttle, but as soon as it idles it stops.
07:15:31 <rust_collector> and the timing is set properly?
07:15:52 <Ysjoelfir> yes
07:16:23 <rust_collector> well, yes, that does sound like carb gunkiness
07:16:40 <rust_collector> could be a leak, I guess
07:17:04 <Ysjoelfir> its pretty interesting, as soon as you give it a liiiiittle bit of throttle when its cold and working on choke it starts to feel like its completely unsynchronized, like one cylinder suddenly decides to FUBAR
07:17:07 <rust_collector> you did not miss any vaccum lines or somethign?
07:17:42 <Ysjoelfir> nope. I even replaced the little shitty near-unobtainium M3.5 (!) screws they used to block the sync ports on the carbe
07:18:46 <rust_collector> did you take the sock out of the intake, after you cleaned the old gasket off it?
07:19:57 <Ysjoelfir> xD yes, I did
07:20:03 <rust_collector> mmhmmmm.....
07:21:10 <rust_collector> are the choke things syncronized? I don't even know what kind of chokes they use...
07:21:34 <rust_collector> but I would think you are going to go thru that and clean them again....
07:21:54 <Ysjoelfir> they are. though they are a bit stiff, which is also a reason why I think I just ripp them out again and clean them again
07:22:40 <rust_collector> are they an air restriction, or a more fuel sort of choke?
07:23:27 <Ysjoelfir> they are the more fuel variant. basically a disc with three tiiiiiny holes that openes a path to somewhere
07:25:26 <rust_collector> ok
07:26:01 <rust_collector> how big was this thing? 800?
07:27:06 <Ysjoelfir> 1000
07:27:25 <rust_collector> perfect
07:27:38 <Ysjoelfir> indeed :P
07:29:31 <rust_collector> so, find a pipe, 3 flanges, and a t piece, put a vw 1300 carb on it, and be done
07:29:44 <Ysjoelfir> hahahaha :D
07:30:34 <rust_collector> dual carbs on a 1 liter is sort of weird
07:33:00 <Ysjoelfir> well.. probably the easyest to do
07:33:06 <Ysjoelfir> because... boxer
07:33:21 <Ysjoelfir> or "opposing twin" how I read its called in english
07:34:07 <rust_collector> can be
07:34:21 <rust_collector> boxer works there also
07:37:27 <rust_collector> and yes, a single carb boxer is not always easy to deal with either
07:40:32 <rust_collector> if you went to fool injection, I would swap to a single throttlebody, and an injector close to each cylinder, but I guess DR. S of electronica does not like that
07:42:16 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure it wouldn't be allowed in overregulated germanistan
07:43:02 <rust_collector> HAH!
07:43:45 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TELNIG1_NR0
07:43:58 <rust_collector> yeah, replacing carbs on a bike is an issue
07:46:42 <Ysjoelfir> lol
07:48:25 <rust_collector> that thing is legal.....
07:49:07 <rust_collector> ok, he had tires custom made for it... but... yes
07:51:58 <steve30> meow
07:52:20 <rust_collector> CAT!!!!!
08:00:55 <hsn> im annoying some engineer at johnson technology .. do u think they will stop responding soon ? :D
08:02:47 <rust_collector> no
08:02:58 <rust_collector> did you get any packages yet?
08:07:19 <rust_collector> and, do your products see more than 105c?
08:08:12 <hsn> no
08:08:26 <hsn> which "products" ?
08:08:27 <rust_collector> good
08:08:37 <hsn> my car yes :D
08:08:38 <rust_collector> whatever things you make
08:08:42 <hsn> ah
08:08:48 <hsn> no no .. im a wuss
08:09:04 <hsn> K knows it
08:09:05 <rust_collector> when in use, now while you are making them...
08:09:05 <hsn> :D
08:09:39 <hsn> do u have shipping tracking ?
08:10:20 <rust_collector> no, because "I" did not order anything
08:10:42 <hsn> i think most designs have no 105C .. its the "temperature of the junction thing"
08:11:11 <rust_collector> https://www.aurelitec.com/colorveil/windows/
08:11:42 <hsn> except "near engine stuff"
08:12:00 <hsn> do i need this ?
08:12:06 <hsn> blue light filter ?
08:12:08 <rust_collector> mmhmm, what about "on engine stuff?
08:12:20 <rust_collector> you can set whatever colour you want
08:12:41 <hsn> its pretty annoying but i 've no good eye .. burning from extra use
08:12:43 <rust_collector> and, I do not know if you need it or not
08:13:07 <hsn> 14+ hours on screen daily
08:15:07 <rust_collector> https://www.nordicsemi.com/-/media/Software-and-other-downloads/Product-Briefs/Nordic-Thingy-91-PB.pdf?la=en&hash=3A6283D3E6A55836687B3F00251A5C979408EFC5
08:15:26 <rust_collector> yeah, you should have your eyes x-rayed
08:18:51 <hsn> woho
08:20:34 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE-M
08:20:50 <hsn> thats all in one antenna huh
09:22:56 <rust_collector> hsn, ?
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10:13:59 <Halcyon> Well what a fucking ordeal that was
10:14:24 <rust_collector> what did you do this time?
10:14:37 <Halcyon> Once again, graphics drivers.
10:14:46 <Halcyon> It's one place Linux really REALLY fails
10:14:55 <Halcyon> And that's partially due to Nvidia
10:15:10 <rust_collector> aah, well, stop messing with them, if you have something that works
10:15:25 <Halcyon> The problem is, at some point you should update things.
10:15:34 <Halcyon> It's just touch and go whether or not it breaks things
10:16:01 <rust_collector> sure, but... graphics drivers?
10:16:21 <Halcyon> Well yeh, I've run into issues before where old drivers caused problems with newer software
10:18:27 <rust_collector> you make me want to fire up that old box with sis graphics
10:18:34 <Halcyon> Heh
10:19:03 <Halcyon> So after a lot of trial and error, I worked out I can't use the two latest versions of the Nvidia driver with my card. They cause all kinds of weird problems.
10:19:31 <rust_collector> mmkay. what card is that?
10:19:38 <Halcyon> Quadro T2000
10:21:05 <rust_collector> hmm, ok. well, then I know what people will post on the debian forums in april or may
10:21:34 <Halcyon> ?
10:22:08 <rust_collector> as you are on "arch" their problems pop up on debian a "little bit later"
10:22:56 <Halcyon> Enjoy :)
10:23:58 <rust_collector> nah, I do not use a graphics card. but it is good to havi in the back of your eyelid, so you can pretend to be smart, when things start breaking here and there
10:25:49 <rust_collector> we will see. if arch fixes it soon, maybe it will be fixed before it gets to debian.
10:26:04 <rust_collector> butt, other than that? how is today?
10:27:12 <Halcyon> Meh
10:28:53 <rust_collector> I think you need a tofu kebab today
10:30:11 <Halcyon> That sounds disgusting
10:30:38 <rust_collector> i have no idea. but I know it exists
10:31:10 <rust_collector> I was sort of hoping that you would try it, and report back
10:31:38 <Halcyon> I don't mind tofu, but on a kebab?
10:31:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, that seems like a really weird situation
10:32:00 <rust_collector> I thought it was like a flavour sponge?
10:32:22 <rust_collector> if you fry it, it should be kebab-like enough, I think
10:32:26 <Ampera> as far as Linux goes there's nothing wrong with how it does drivers, you're just too stubborn to learn how it deals with it
10:32:40 <Ampera> by the sound of it the exact same issue could have happened on Windows if it really was a driver update that did it
10:33:01 <Halcyon> Ampera: Well it's not hardware, so what else is left?
10:33:07 <Halcyon> The results are repeatable, every single time
10:33:25 <Ampera> It may very well be driver, but how is that Linux's fault?
10:33:41 <Ampera> That's nvidia's fault for having shitty drivers, as I said, something that can easily happen on Windows
10:33:46 <Halcyon> Linux makes it SO difficult to get things right, even uninstalling the driver didn't work properly.
10:33:55 <Halcyon> Yeh probably
10:34:08 <Ampera> Halcyon, the issue, as I said again, is you refuse to learn how it's actually done
10:34:19 <Halcyon> On top of that, I'm battling all kinds of other weird problems. For example upgrading to the latest kernel causes the machine to not boot
10:34:24 <Ampera> and rely on guides that you hope to work with you blind and unaware of what's actually going on
10:34:38 <Halcyon> Not at all, I am willing to learn. But the most basic things shouldn't be this hard.
10:34:51 <Halcyon> There are things Linux does very well, but there are things than need a lot more work.
10:34:52 <Ampera> They're not, on arch these are all incredibly simple packages to install and use
10:35:03 <Ampera> Drivers are not one of them.
10:35:09 <Ampera> You need a lot more work :P
10:35:10 <Halcyon> It's not just Arch, this issue is evident on Ubuntu as well
10:35:20 <Ampera> Wha?
10:35:24 <Ampera> You're not using arch
10:35:31 <Halcyon> It's arch under the hood
10:35:35 <Halcyon> With a pretty interface
10:35:36 <Ampera> you're using Manjaro, a dumb bastardization of arch
10:35:43 <Ampera> which makes a heck of a lot of difference
10:35:53 <Ampera> because the way it does a lot of package management is very different
10:35:56 <Halcyon> Whatever you want to call it, it's the second most popular distro, it SHOULD work
10:35:57 <Ampera> and it has a lot of very different tools
10:36:13 <Ampera> again, it probably does, you just don't know how to use it
10:36:25 <rust_collector> manjaro is the 2nd distro?
10:36:26 <Halcyon> I think I have a fairly good grasp on how to use it... I got it working didn't I?
10:36:29 <Halcyon> I also identified the problem
10:36:51 <Ampera> You're blaming the operating system, not the driver
10:36:56 <Ampera> sounds like you have no clue how it works
10:37:04 <Halcyon> I didn't just blame the OS
10:37:07 <Halcyon> Did you see what I wrote?
10:37:16 <Halcyon> But I stand by that basic things like this shouldn't be that hard.
10:37:27 <Ampera> They're not, you're making them
10:37:31 <Halcyon> I also shouldn't have to fuck around because my machine no longer boots after a kernel update (on a brand new install)
10:37:37 <Halcyon> These things just shouldn't happen
10:37:42 <Ampera> I've never had to spend longer than five minutes installing nvidia drivers on anything
10:37:56 <Ampera> I've also never had a kernel update fail to boot
10:37:58 <Halcyon> Well kudos to you. The vast VAST majority of users aren't you
10:38:13 <Halcyon> And this is what I'm saying, it shouldn't be THIS difficult
10:38:20 <Ampera> the vast majority of users didn't stop to figure it out, they just hoped the guide they found was 100%
10:38:41 <Halcyon> Kernel update available > Install update > Reboot > Machine fails to boot
10:39:03 <Halcyon> It couldn't get any simpler than that
10:39:19 <Ampera> Sounds like a Manjaro issue
10:39:44 <Halcyon> So unless I didn't have my tounge at the right angle, or the temperature wasn't correct, perhaps the sun was too bright? Who fucking knows. All I'm saying it, it shouldn't be like this.
10:39:48 <Halcyon> Linux is far from perfect
10:39:55 <Ampera> Linux is not Windows
10:39:56 <Ampera> you want windows
10:39:57 <Halcyon> BUT it's still less painful than Windows 10
10:39:58 <Ampera> go use windows
10:40:04 <Halcyon> I *don't* want Windows
10:40:11 <Ampera> if you keep treating it like Windows you'll get pain
10:40:16 <rust_collector> Ok, I went to distrowatch for the first time in years. that list looks so weird...
10:40:18 <Halcyon> I'm treating it like Linux
10:40:31 <Halcyon> And you need to remember gone are the days where Linux is just for power users.
10:40:33 <Ampera> No you're not, you're not bothering to learn how any of it works
10:40:41 <Halcyon> Again, I am
10:40:52 <Ampera> you needed to be told not to install drivers straight off a website
10:41:00 <Halcyon> That was before
10:41:05 <Ampera> That was a couple days ago
10:41:09 <Halcyon> These issues are irregardless of that
10:41:15 <Halcyon> And I was having problems BEFORE I went to Nvidia
10:42:05 <Halcyon> Again, because I was learning how to fix it... and trying different things
10:42:14 <Halcyon> Not just taking things for granted or making assumptions
10:42:40 <Ampera> You're trying to fix it using the laziest method possible. You're assuming stuff will work like you expect it to under Windows, and are upset when it doesn't.
10:43:01 <Ampera> Linux is considerably more complicated than Windows, in order for it to work right, it needs tinkering and manipulation from /someone/ for your system
10:43:03 <Halcyon> Just because I don't want to spend days and days faffing around in a terminal window, doesn't make it a lazy approach
10:43:21 <Halcyon> Particularly for such a basic thing
10:43:26 <Ampera> This is the other issue, you proclaim that it's days and days yet the one time you tried it you gave up after 30 minutes
10:43:35 <coppice> Ampera: this is garbage. A modern Linux distro just installs and runs
10:43:41 <Halcyon> It was overly complicated for what I needed my machine to do
10:44:06 <Halcyon> Arch is not the be all and end all of all Linux distros. What works for you, doesn't work for everyone.
10:44:06 <Ampera> coppice, it is running for him, he's just having weird edge cases that those distros are just not capable of handling
10:44:24 <coppice> Ampera: windows is like that on steroids
10:44:28 <Ampera> it's all to do with nvidia drivers, which is particularly annoying since most desktop distros ship with nouveau
10:44:46 <Halcyon> Yes and Nouveau doesn't do what I need it to do, so I'm stuck using Nvidia drivers
10:44:47 <Ampera> I've had more issues with desktop linux distros than I've had with Windows
10:44:57 <coppice> who uses nouveau? its hopeless. most people have to install the nvidia drivers
10:45:06 <Ampera> he did, they broke apparently
10:45:15 <Halcyon> Yep
10:45:24 <Halcyon> Again, and it shouldn't be this way
10:45:30 <Ampera> though Ubuntu doesn't keep the latest in their distros for his version of Ubuntu, and Majaro has some weird backalley way of installing it
10:45:44 <coppice> you have to install in the nvidia drivers when you install windows
10:45:55 <Ampera> coppice, no you don't, it'll fetch them for you
10:45:59 <Ampera> new thing they added actually
10:46:07 <Ampera> after like 20 years of it being something they could have done
10:46:23 <Halcyon> At least when a driver fails in Windows, it falls back to some basic method. With Linux sometimes you're lucky if you get an error.
10:46:28 <Halcyon> A blank screen is not helpful
10:46:53 <Ampera> Had the same issues with desktop distros, which is why I don't use them anymore
10:47:08 <Halcyon> Yes, but for many users, that's all they have.
10:47:23 <Ampera> Halcyon, I've not been using Linux long compared to coppice, but I have been using it longer than you and more seriously. I have done the exact things you are doing now, and wasted a heck of a lot of time doing so
10:47:35 <coppice> I wish I had been able to use this magic Windows people tell me about, where things actually work
10:47:48 <Halcyon> OK ?
10:47:55 <Ampera> coppice, Windows is a wonderful world like Android where things work perfectly so long as you don't try to do anything interesting
10:48:06 <Halcyon> But you seem to push Arch above all else and poo-poo everything that isn't Arch
10:48:19 <Halcyon> And it's that shit that pissed me off about the Linux community for decades
10:48:32 <Ampera> Because Arch has put significant effort into very clean, very simple package management policies that make all of this mess not so much of a pain in the ass
10:48:33 <Halcyon> "This is better than bla" No, fuck off, it's not. It's just different.
10:48:46 <Ampera> It is different, but the differences are what make life easier.
10:48:56 <Halcyon> It would be like telling someone to buy x car because it's "the best car"
10:48:56 <Ampera> and the most important quality of Arch is how it forces you to learn what you are doing
10:49:05 <Halcyon> Nevermind if the needed an SUV or Utility
10:49:06 <coppice> all the big linux distros have very clean package management these days.
10:49:11 <Ampera> that is the key thing that sets Arch apart, because once you know, you can pick up any other distro and deal with it.
10:49:38 <Halcyon> Ampera, you might have the time and willingness to invest time into that, that's fine. You do you. I don't have the time.
10:49:49 <Halcyon> I just need a machine that works that isn't Windows
10:49:53 <Ampera> Then what you get is a poor result.
10:49:54 <Ampera> Buy a mac.
10:49:58 <Halcyon> Fuck no
10:50:07 <Ampera> Then accept that if you want things done right you ususally have to do it yourself.
10:50:12 <Halcyon> And I did
10:50:13 <Ampera> Or keep having shit blow up.
10:50:14 <Halcyon> It's working
10:50:25 <Ampera> cause we've been having this same conversation for the past ages.
10:50:37 <Halcyon> Yes, and you keep saying same thing over and over
10:50:44 <Ampera> and for all the nights and days you've been struggling with it, if you had just sat down and learned it you'd have been fine already
10:50:45 <Halcyon> You fail to understand my needs are different to yours
10:50:59 <Ampera> I need a stable and working operating system that's not Windows and I have it.
10:51:07 <Halcyon> Good, so do I
10:51:10 <Halcyon> We both win
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10:51:18 <Ampera> My machine has not had a serious breaking issue that hasn't been immediately solvable in the entire time I've used it.
10:51:24 <Halcyon> Cool, great for you
10:51:42 <Halcyon> I WISH I could say the same
10:51:44 <Halcyon> But I can't
10:52:38 <Halcyon> What doesn't help though is that when I go to people for help who happen to know more than me about the subject matter, they throw their hands up and go *shrug* It's not Arch.
10:53:05 <Halcyon> You expect me to learn your system but you have nil interest in learning about mine?
10:53:19 <Ampera> Because those distros are different, and without them right in front of me I can't tell you how they work
10:53:30 <Ampera> and since your issues tend to be hardware related I can't exactly throw a VM together and try now can I
10:53:30 <Halcyon> So learn it ?
10:53:39 <Ampera> Why would I do that, it's inferior to what I have
10:53:51 <Halcyon> :)
10:53:54 <Ampera> and honestly I have done, what help I have tried to give you has been from learning how it's done in a different distro
10:54:29 <Ampera> but there's only so much I can do, and when it comes to Manjaro fucking around with how Arch does drivers and kernels, I just couldn't care less about why they messed with it.
10:54:30 <Halcyon> And it's the age old argument which I've heard before you were born "My distro is superior to yours"
10:54:34 <Halcyon> It's getting kind of old
10:54:49 <Ampera> Mine is superior in one major way.
10:54:51 <Ampera> Mine works.
10:55:04 <Ampera> and I spent less time getting it to work than you have
10:55:19 <Halcyon> Getting it to work on a basic level takes me 10 minutes
10:55:29 <Halcyon> Getting a very specific component to work properly is a different story
10:55:40 <Ampera> Figuring out how Arch worked enough to get a usable desktop I could daily drive took me a day or so
10:56:13 <Ampera> Most of the things that took me longer are small once you know things that I could easily tell you, which is why I am advertising arch so much
10:56:18 <Halcyon> Anyway it's working now, I should image the disk before I forget and install another update that breaks things
10:56:21 <Ampera> because unlike Majaro or Ubuntu, I've learned all its pitfalls and issues
10:56:27 <Ampera> :/
10:56:29 <steve30> I just went back to bed for an hour
10:56:36 <Halcyon> How was it Steve?
10:56:45 <steve30> cosy :)
10:58:11 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to go do housework
10:58:14 <Halcyon> *fun*
11:00:18 <rust_collector> Now I wonder how the shit laptop would like arch... that could work ok...
11:02:12 <Ampera> rust_collector, depends on how shit it is, but Arch tends to be an alright choice for low end machines
11:02:13 * arch pours acid onto rust_collector to stop being bothered
11:02:41 <Ampera> arch, that's what happens when your nick is a dictionary word
11:03:08 <rust_collector> well, arch could be a good option for this one. it is not total crap, but it does not like bloat
11:03:21 <Ampera> rust_collector, is it x64?
11:03:32 <rust_collector> yep
11:03:38 <Ampera> then arch will probably run just fine on it
11:04:01 <Ampera> pair it with a nice and light desktop like LXqt or LXDE, or another of your choice, and it'll make a decent thing to use
11:04:32 <rust_collector> it is a fairly new one, it is just like they inflated a netbook, lol very little ram, and not very much cpu either
11:04:44 <Ampera> The slowest machine I have running Arch is actualyl a prescott-era (2004) celeron machine with 512MB of RAM
11:04:51 <Ampera> it can even run chromium
11:04:55 <Ampera> not very well, but it can do it
11:06:00 <Ampera> The various BSDs tend to also fair reasonably well on low end systems, I have an iBook G4 running OpenBSD that's pretty neat
11:06:11 <rust_collector> I think I don't want a desktop on this one. I have to think about that... Maybe I will just put some wm on it
11:06:50 <rust_collector> yeah, bsd will probably work fine too, but I just can not make myself like it. for some reason
11:06:55 <Ampera> rust_collector, I always enjoy trying out weird and obscure window managers, just to see what they can offer
11:07:32 <Ampera> I think the weirdest and stupidest window manager I've ever used is AfterStep
11:07:45 <arch> what a noob, the oldest machine i have is a pentium 2 333mhz
11:07:53 <Ampera> arch, running arch?
11:07:59 <arch> no, running alpine
11:08:03 <Ampera> oldest machine I have is a commodore 64
11:08:06 <arch> arch is for noobs
11:08:34 <Ampera> oldest PC I have is an Am486-DX4-100-SV8B
11:12:36 <rust_collector> I tried most wms I could find for some time. There are a few I keep coming back to. mayb eI will do evilwm on this one
11:18:32 <rust_collector> Ampera, have you used systemd-boot as a bootloader?
11:18:58 <Ampera> rust_collector, no I've only ever really stuck to grub2, as it works for most basic stuff
11:19:07 <Ampera> I have used syslinux too, but mostly for pxelinux
11:19:08 <rust_collector> right
11:19:30 <rust_collector> ok, I will try systemdthing now, just because
11:19:39 <Ampera> have fun
12:08:48 <arch> wooo itz workingggg. my 555 timer controlled relay timer for laminator toner transfer
12:11:23 <rust_collector> nope, not without pics and or video
12:11:40 <arch> please halt
12:11:54 * rust_collector is going down for reboot
12:12:24 <arch> well it would be a very boring video, as it takes 10 minutes or so to pass through
12:12:35 <arch> a sheet of paper
12:13:11 <rust_collector> well, take a look at what you did to the thing. I do not need to see the paper. I just want to see what happens, an dwhat you did to it
12:17:24 <arch> rust_collector, T3sl4 https://imgur.com/a/jEMBhGU
12:17:55 <arch> duty cycle of 10% roughly. 1s on, 10s off
12:18:04 <T3sl4> empty?
12:18:06 <arch> earlier i did a toner transfer on copperclad
12:18:08 <arch> hold on
12:18:31 <arch> empty for this run. earlier i did one and it came out nicely. ill do one more tomorrow
12:18:36 <arch> need to decide on what to print out
12:19:02 <arch> o wah
12:19:03 <rust_collector> the imgur shows nothing
12:19:03 <arch> what
12:19:05 <arch> wtf
12:19:12 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/W4a9Amh.jpg
12:19:32 <arch> its bugging out
12:19:37 <rust_collector> that is better
12:21:10 <arch> https://imgur.com/a/wGRHcHr rust_collector T3sl4
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12:22:00 <T3sl4> caution hot 🅱️urface
12:22:44 <arch> best $25 i spent lol. it does a damn nice job with toner transfer with that mod
12:23:05 <arch> granted it does take 10 minutes instead of maybe 2 minutes using the clothes iron, but it's much less work involved
12:23:07 <rust_collector> did you do anything physical to it?
12:23:32 <arch> no. it can fit up to 0.8mm thick copperclad PCB with a paper on top
12:23:40 <arch> only thing i did was design the PCB and strap it in
12:23:41 <rust_collector> nice
12:23:52 <arch> and the pcb design is as simple as it gets
12:23:56 <arch> hold on..lemme upload
12:24:21 <T3sl4> longboi spotted https://imgur.com/gallery/PhRkYaw
12:24:54 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/CK7fOFl.png
12:26:32 <T3sl4> so it just inches thru?
12:27:19 <arch> yeah, the point is to make a nice amount of contact with the rollers, heat up the copperclad just further in. that way it has low chances of missed spots
12:28:06 <arch> recommend giving it a try. it's $25 for that model laminator. free ship too
12:28:18 <arch> i made it inch along cuz the wattage is only 250W
12:28:30 <arch> whereas the clothes iron is like 1200 or 1500w
12:30:00 <arch> i need to make a programmable constant current, constant resistance, constant power load. i think that should be my next project. i can put this laminator through its paces (even though i know it works nicely--tried a smaller pcb earlier today)
12:30:42 <arch> probably take this design and modify it for copperclad build. no need reinventing the wheel: https://www.instructables.com/Arduino-Programmable-Constant-Current-Power-Resist/
12:31:41 <rust_collector> well, I like your sock roller machine.
12:33:54 <Halcyon> Back
12:34:17 * T3sl4 tongues Halcyon
12:34:53 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/fd3yMR3.jpg
12:35:26 <Halcyon> :D
12:35:36 <Halcyon> Big cow
12:35:39 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/cf/f6/a2cff6bc5fbf342595a77846b60212a8.gif
12:41:35 * T3sl4 adventures arch bigly
12:45:20 <steve30> Here's something for T3sl4 to appreciate: https://twitter.com/crt_bot/status/1297664086407180289
12:46:35 <T3sl4> :3
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13:48:10 <Ampera> >:(
13:49:38 <Ampera> >:( >:( >:(
13:49:47 <Halcyon> What's wrong?
13:50:42 <Ampera> you hate windows
13:50:44 <Ampera> JERK
13:50:49 <Halcyon> I never used to
13:51:03 <Ampera> You're supposed to like what companies want you to like
13:51:10 <Ampera> Do you even consider yourself an American?
13:51:14 <Ampera> You're a disgrace to this nation.
13:51:32 <Halcyon> Oh that's good :)
13:51:39 <Halcyon> BRB, need to hang towels up
13:51:50 <Ampera> normal people hang the phone up
13:51:57 <Ampera> you over here are calling people on a towel
13:57:39 * steve30 passes Halcyon some Windows 2000
13:58:00 <Ampera> My dad has a facebook addiction, and his latest kick is sending me political memes
13:58:11 <Ampera> like I haven't already had enough of that shit on twitter
13:58:34 <Ampera> so I told him, they say every political meme takes an hour off your life, I suppose your goal is to go so far back you underflow the count and live forever.
13:59:14 <steve30> Parents really shouldn't be allowed access to such sites
13:59:32 <Ampera> steve30, whole new meaning to the term parental controls
14:04:33 <Halcyon> My mother uses words like "lol"
14:04:40 <Ampera> lol
14:04:41 <Halcyon> As if she is some 16 year old girl
14:04:49 <Ampera> rofl lmao
14:04:53 <Ampera> XD XD XD
14:07:28 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a daemon
14:07:38 <Ampera> a beastie daemon
14:08:11 <Halcyon> Speaking of daemons...
14:08:21 <Halcyon> My battery level is being reported incorrectly too
14:08:50 <Ampera> your fault for using linux
14:08:53 <Halcyon> Yep
14:08:55 <Ampera> if you just used OS/2 it'd all work fine
14:09:12 <Ampera> it is, of course, a ThinkPad
14:09:34 * Ampera sneezes twice on Halcyon
14:10:09 <Ampera> it's always nice when you do a proper oral sneeze into the air you smell that disgusting aerosol of your own spit and phlegm
14:10:55 <Halcyon> You should use mouthwash
14:11:02 <Ampera> why
14:11:28 <Halcyon> So you don't smell
14:11:34 <Ampera> I don't smell
14:11:42 <steve30> I'm pondering relocating the cassette deck and cdplayer to the filing cabinet, but then my cables won't be long enough
14:11:48 <Ampera> mouthwash is also fucking disgusting
14:11:57 <Halcyon> Bring the filing cabinet to the deck and cd player :P
14:11:59 <Ampera> anyone who uses it is an absolute moron
14:12:04 <Halcyon> You're fucking disgusting
14:12:20 <Ampera> Halcyon, that's strange, I don't recall fucking you
14:12:43 <Halcyon> You should be so lucky
14:13:06 <Ampera> Lucky to have not lived that prospect? Damn straight.
14:13:09 <Ampera> er, Damn gay.
14:15:09 <Halcyon> :P
14:15:45 <Ampera> Why would I want to be with a non-arch user? "People" like that don't deserve to be normal members of society.
14:16:00 <Ampera> They should be put in a special place so decent upstanding people can have their nice things.
14:19:33 <Halcyon> Yeh we'll you're American. We all have our handicaps :P
14:21:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, mine is living in a free and civilized nation, yours is living in that one anglospheric nation everyone forgets about
14:21:19 <Halcyon> It is? Shit, no one told us.
14:21:22 <Ampera> in other news, what kinda of moron makes a toilet seat out of particleboard
14:21:35 <Ampera> hmm, what materials should be used
14:21:44 <Ampera> how about a material really good at rotting, swelling, and retaining water
14:21:45 <Halcyon> Resin
14:22:01 <Ampera> and being a great surface for black mold to grow
14:22:39 <Ampera> caffeine may be necessary tomorrow
14:23:15 <Halcyon> Oh?
14:23:20 <Ampera> I've been working at trying to start waking up at 2 and going to bed at around 18, but I ended up waking up in the middle of it and not being able to go back to sleep
14:23:30 <Ampera> but the only way to get it to shift is to force myself into waking up at 2
14:23:39 <Ampera> so I'm hoping I still have some 200mg caffeine pills hanging around
14:23:53 <Ampera> as my only other source that won't make me puke is a drink mix
14:24:16 <Halcyon> I'm surprised they allow you to buy such dangerous drugs at your age, since you can't even buy a Vodka Cruiser :P
14:24:31 <Ampera> of course I can
14:24:40 <Ampera> well, if COVID weren't a thing I could
14:24:57 <Halcyon> I've heard of this COVID :P
14:25:10 <Ampera> yeah it's turned you into more of an island than you already were
14:26:05 <Halcyon> I like islands
14:26:12 <Halcyon> I wish I lived on a much smaller one
14:26:44 <Ampera> we live on an island within an infinite sea of minimum wage employees
14:26:55 <Ampera> those poor poor poor people.
14:27:16 <Ampera> they make damn good fast food though
14:27:20 <Halcyon> What is minimum wage?
14:27:42 <Ampera> minimum wage is a concept by which you must pay an employee a minimum amount per hour
14:27:59 <Halcyon> No I know what the concept is... what is it there?
14:28:38 <Ampera> depends on where you are in the US
14:28:45 <Halcyon> Of course it does
14:28:48 <Ampera> federally it's 7.25/hr, less if tipped
14:28:54 <Ampera> where I live it's 11.80/hr
14:29:00 <Halcyon> That's a bit shithouse
14:29:12 <Ampera> cost of living is also very different all over the US
14:29:23 <Ampera> land, housing, food, utilities, lots of stuff is cheaper
14:29:23 <Halcyon> Well yes, this is true
14:29:32 <Ampera> NY is one of the more expensive states, even where I live
14:29:41 <Ampera> taxes too vary by state, county, and even city
14:29:50 <Halcyon> That's super annoying
14:29:54 <Ampera> not really
14:30:03 <Ampera> it's actually really nice
14:30:11 <Halcyon> Well it makes for a much more complicated and more difficult to administer tax system
14:30:15 <Ampera> means you get to sorta pick how taxes are done by moving where you wish
14:30:20 <Ampera> not really
14:30:37 <Ampera> most state and federal taxes are income based, whereas city and county are sales based
14:30:44 <Halcyon> As opposed to just paying goods and services and income tax
14:30:56 <Ampera> that's literally what we do
14:31:03 <Ampera> it's just who manages it changes depending on where you live
14:31:04 <Halcyon> Yes but uniform across the country
14:31:16 <Ampera> and in terms of income tax, you literally have to work in a different state in order for it to be a problem
14:31:25 <Ampera> there is also property tax
14:31:28 <Ampera> in some states
14:31:40 <Ampera> I think some places also have a specialzied school tax
14:32:14 <Ampera> taxes are fairly easy for me, I have two tax forms to worry about, state and federal
14:32:16 <Halcyon> It wouldn't be difficult for someone to work interstate. Lots of people do it here
14:32:22 <Ampera> same here
14:32:30 <Halcyon> Fly-in, fly-out workers, or those who live in border towns
14:32:35 <Ampera> tons of people around the nation work interstate, especially in and to new york
14:32:44 <Ampera> same here
14:33:01 <Halcyon> Yes so wouldn't a simpler tax system work better?
14:33:05 <Ampera> no
14:33:10 <Halcyon> You pay based on how much you earn
14:33:25 <Ampera> because it's not complicated to begin with, you're just acting like it is, and it give more choice
14:33:35 <Ampera> if I don't like NY's state income tax, I can move to Texas which has no state income tax
14:33:52 <Halcyon> When I say "simpler" abolish state taxes
14:33:59 <Halcyon> Handle it at federal level
14:34:05 <Ampera> States need money too
14:34:11 <Ampera> and are often more important than the federal government
14:34:13 <Halcyon> Yes, which they get from the federal government
14:34:25 <Ampera> Presumably not at a level they can set
14:34:35 <Ampera> which means states cannot choose how they fund things
14:34:37 <Halcyon> Of course not :P
14:34:49 <Halcyon> Otherwise every start will just look after their own pockets
14:34:56 <Ampera> which takes freedoms and power of decision away from everyone
14:35:28 <Ampera> since now in order for me to want taxes to work differently, I need to agree with 330 million people
14:35:37 <Ampera> instead of the however many reside in my state
14:35:44 <Ampera> and if I do not like how I am taxed, I have zero options
14:35:52 <Halcyon> It's still up to local councils how they spend money
14:36:02 <Ampera> yes, but collection is just as important
14:36:43 <Ampera> there is also the matter of who deserves more money, which is something that I would not want to be determined by the federal government
14:36:58 <Ampera> as the point of a federation is to have the federal government to /not/ have total control over everything
14:37:05 <Ampera> and taxes are a pretty central part to any and all government
14:37:25 <Halcyon> But government do need to take control of certain aspects (and pay for them)
14:37:29 <Halcyon> Health care is just one example
14:37:34 <Halcyon> Schooling is another
14:37:37 <Ampera> Health care?
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14:37:52 <Ampera> Government has provisions for those who qualify, but that's a largely private industry
14:37:58 <Halcyon> Yes, for example, I break a bone, I walk into a hospital have it fixed and pay zero
14:38:09 <Ampera> I break a bone, I walk into a hospital, and start paying
14:38:24 <Halcyon> Same as public education. It's completely free.
14:38:28 <Ampera> better system, because the hospitals get fucked by the people who can't pay, and I get fucked because I can pay
14:38:35 <Ampera> public education is free here too
14:38:42 <Ampera> however it's not federally controlled
14:38:57 <Ampera> there are rules and regulations to be followed, but general control resides within individual school districts
14:39:04 <Ampera> which can be city/town or county based
14:39:07 <Ampera> or something else entirely
14:39:42 <Ampera> how they are funded is usually a matter of local government in whichever form has arranged it, outside of occasional help from state and federal actors
14:40:19 <Ampera> Much of how the US government layer cake is designed is to give as much power to the individual to choose how they wish to live as possible
14:40:26 <Halcyon> That reminds me, I need to email council
14:40:36 <Ampera> instead of having to agree to the same laws, taxation, regulations, and funding as everyone else
14:41:22 <Ampera> I end up voting for more people, which gives everyone greater power of representation, and the ability to, if they can, pack up and go somewhere else where it's slightly different.
14:41:47 <Ampera> For example, next town over does trash collection with city provided barrels you must pay their price for, so they can do automated bin dumping
14:41:59 <Ampera> whereas here we have normal bins you buy yourself that get dumped by hand
14:42:24 <Halcyon> Hmm
14:42:28 <Ampera> One city over refuses to give a license to Verizon to install fiber in the city, whereas they are given by all means to do so here
14:42:39 <Ampera> which would suck if I lived in that one city over, but since I can simply move over, it's not as much of a problem
14:42:53 <Ampera> Not that it's ever easy to move, but the option is there.
14:43:25 <Ampera> and to the best of my knowledge, no cities or counties do income tax, so you know exactly who you are paying most of the time for income tax
14:43:55 <Ampera> interstate situations can be complicated, but so are federal taxes in general, and I think the added complexity is a fair trade for better choice
14:47:11 <Halcyon> I can't wait for my fibre
14:47:22 <Halcyon> They just dropped the wholesale prices for Gigabit too
14:47:28 <Halcyon> I think it's like $80/month now
14:47:50 <Ampera> and that's in monopoly money
14:47:53 <steve30> mmm, the inside of this CD player smells like electronics :)
14:47:55 <Ampera> so a whole five bucks american
14:48:11 <Halcyon> Funny that Steve :P
14:48:32 <Halcyon> You know our dollar isn't that bad?
14:48:43 <Halcyon> AUD$1 = abouy 71 US cents
14:49:06 <Halcyon> And we've apparently been in a depression, but for most people it's business as usual.
14:49:21 <Ampera> you mean a recession
14:49:28 <Halcyon> Yes
14:49:48 <Ampera> I don't believe enough time of continual GDP loss has happened for it to be a depression
14:50:19 <Halcyon> No
14:50:38 <Halcyon> But a minor recession, the first in 30 years is pretty good
14:50:48 <Ampera> yeah the general definition I believe is 10% drop or 2 years of sustained losses
14:52:09 <Halcyon> Yeh something like that, I don't know
14:52:41 <Ampera> a 10% drop wouldn't be incredible for australia
14:52:46 <Ampera> that'd be like 50 bucks US
14:53:02 <Ampera> well, for australia, I suppose, not for anyone else really
14:53:12 <Ampera> I could bail you out for the price of a good dinner
14:54:32 <Halcyon> I'm investing in shares, now is an opportune time
14:54:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, oh nice, how are the roo futures doing?
14:55:06 <Ampera> the koala exchange doing alright?
14:56:13 <Halcyon> I should have invested in my ISP when they originally offered shares to customers. They have more than doubled in price now.
14:56:18 <Halcyon> But nevermind
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15:01:18 <Halcyon> The metal epoxy stuff I have in this tube smells like poop
15:02:32 <Ampera> Halcyon, I didn't know you shat JB Weld
15:02:43 <Halcyon> I don't. But I shit poop
15:20:02 <steve30> "It's not about the sexualisation of sex
15:20:07 <steve30> interesting quote
15:23:16 <Halcyon> What are you reading?
15:23:51 <steve30> some news article about phone apps which improve your sex life or something
15:24:54 <Halcyon> Riiiiight
15:25:02 <Halcyon> How about putting the phone down and just getting on with it?
15:26:16 <Halcyon> Oh the new Borat movie is due out today
15:26:44 <Halcyon> I'll have to see if it's on my torrents
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17:27:27 <Halcyon> Oh wow, this new Borat movie is... so wrong on so many levels.
17:27:36 <Halcyon> Hahaha but it's funny
17:29:30 <rust_collector> he tends to have a point, even if it is something wrong
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17:42:54 <rust_collector> moanings dr S
17:44:39 <Ysjoelfir> FeO, nice to see you. Did you have an yppr night?
17:45:02 <steve30> hello
17:45:03 <Ysjoelfir> *üpper. whatever :D
17:45:09 <Ysjoelfir> Hello mr. Cat!
17:45:33 <rust_collector> eeh, yes... sure, lol
17:51:56 <Ysjoelfir> I ordered new silicone gaskets for the float bowls yesterday. because... I noticed that the damn tree bark stuff that was used originally just disintegrates when you remove the float and try to reassemble it - guess how I noticed -.-
17:52:40 <rust_collector> you removed the float and tried to reassemble it, maybe?
17:53:35 <Ysjoelfir> yes. I removed the bowl, cleaned it (as part of the idling jet is in there), reassembled it... and had wet shoes.
17:54:07 <rust_collector> ah, niiiice
17:56:40 <Ysjoelfir> yes. enjoyed it very much. now my feet are smelling like cheese AND fuel ._.
17:57:50 <rust_collector> you could make friends with those girls that hang out at the truck stop
18:11:38 <Ysjoelfir> no thanks :D
18:15:41 <rust_collector> so, I have a soldering iron in a box under the piano, and a cat is sleeping on top of it. I wonder if I go outside to get a different iron, the cat will probably follow me out...
18:15:59 <Ysjoelfir> probably.
18:16:51 <rust_collector> and that was the last coffee too... what a day
18:16:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh no!
18:17:11 * Ysjoelfir insta-ships a cup of black tea to mr. FeO
18:17:18 <rust_collector> blackcurrant syrup... yeah, ok
18:17:28 <rust_collector> that is something
18:20:16 <rust_collector> I do have tea.....
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19:02:54 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ff/b9/18/ffb91868c7eab345ea05f0b38534d004.jpg
19:03:38 <K> hello
19:03:43 <Halcyon> Howdy K
19:06:19 <steve30> hello K
19:06:23 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
19:06:42 <rust_collector> hey K
19:13:01 <rust_collector> HEY! if you see K... lalalala
19:14:37 <K> no.
19:22:13 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YInEKdjsT3w
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19:37:56 <Halcyon> Oops, shouldn't have pressed CTRL + ALT + Backspace
19:38:01 <Halcyon> Apparently that does something bad
19:38:14 <steve30> hehe
19:38:49 <Halcyon> Oh right, it forcefully kills Xorg
19:38:54 <Halcyon> There you go
19:40:25 <rust_collector> oops
19:42:57 <steve30> i need to pop out to the shops
19:42:58 <steve30> back soon
19:43:32 <rust_collector> uhm, how did you figure out that you should hit those 3 keys?
19:45:04 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lICydV9oBFI so nice :D
19:46:26 <Halcyon> I misread that Steve
19:46:37 <Halcyon> I thought you wrote "I need to poo"
19:46:59 <Halcyon> rust_collector: My discord push to talk key combo is Ctrl + Alt :P
19:49:39 <rust_collector> you should bind something to alt and the f keys some time
19:50:44 <Halcyon> I need my F keys
19:50:48 <Halcyon> It seems like they all do something
19:50:50 <Halcyon> *more
19:51:03 <rust_collector> oh really?
19:51:10 <Halcyon> What every happened to F13-F24 ?
19:51:14 <Halcyon> *ever
19:51:16 <Halcyon> Fuck, can't type
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19:52:59 <rust_collector> well, you can shift and start over on f1. but I guess most people only use the f4, when someone on the internet tells them it will fix their problem
19:53:09 <Halcyon> :P
19:57:42 * Halcyon ALT+F4's Ampera
20:03:58 * Ysjoelfir smears Halcyon with a fresh zucchini
20:04:07 <Halcyon> :)
20:04:38 <Ysjoelfir> I like that SLAP! option from my IRC client :D it has soooo nice options
20:05:01 <Halcyon> I miss the old slap option in mIRC
20:06:11 <Ysjoelfir> it is immitating that^^
20:06:52 <Halcyon> Something about a large trout
20:07:36 * Ysjoelfir wraps Halcyon with a 42m long worm
20:07:55 <Halcyon> Interesting
20:11:15 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Australian Space Agency: As part of the @ausgov's $1.5 billion Modern Manufacturing Strategy, @IndustryGovAu would like your views on what the key strengths, opportunities and solutions are to grow manufacturing in 6 priority areas, which includes #space. Take the survey here: https://t.co/M15G7lgdAE https://t.co/bcl1cKTiEd
20:11:56 * Ysjoelfir blows Halcyon up with 1 ton of c4
20:12:06 <Ysjoelfir> That should result in a nice 'poof'
20:12:20 <Halcyon> I'm already a nice poof :P
20:15:12 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, is that webshop up yet?
20:15:21 <Ysjoelfir> nope. working on it though
20:16:51 <rust_collector> yeah. I need that usb iron, because I do not want to go outside and get the other iron
20:23:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Google Tries to Burn LBRY...But LBRY Fights Back https://t.co/dUaT2YHukA
20:23:33 <Ysjoelfir> XD
20:27:02 <rust_collector> I am sort of wondering where I should hook up my power on led, inside the yeehaw station. I guess the safest bet is to just go to the transformer secondary
20:28:09 <Ysjoelfir> or use an neon bulb :)
20:28:13 <Ysjoelfir> -n
20:28:38 <rust_collector> eeh, yes. if I .. oh. wait
20:29:18 <rust_collector> they just go straight across, with nothing in series, right?
20:37:48 <Ysjoelfir> depends on the neon. could always add a 220k in series to be sure.
20:38:16 <Ysjoelfir> or even 470k or 1M
20:38:17 <rust_collector> I think I have one from a power strip that went flaky...
20:39:14 <Ysjoelfir> then it should be ok without anything, but I usually try if it ignites with a series resistor. also keeps it living longer
20:39:31 <rust_collector> ok
20:40:02 <rust_collector> should I put a diode in there, for better flicker effect?
20:41:45 <rust_collector> darrr. so I "drilled" a hole with a screwdriver, which turned out really nice, and the led sits nice and snug in there, and I find a drill next to my screwdrivers
20:41:49 <rust_collector> oh well
20:42:10 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
21:22:27 <steve30> aww, hexchat doesn't have a /slap command :(
21:22:50 <steve30> I use ALT+F2 quite a lot. Also CTRL+ALT+F_
21:23:08 * Ysjoelfir inserts a 10mbit isa network card in steve30
21:23:19 <Ysjoelfir> token ring, ofc
21:26:03 <K> naughty
21:26:13 <Ysjoelfir> yes
21:29:34 * steve30 has a parcel to opn
21:29:37 <steve30> *open
21:30:24 <rust_collector> well, OPEN IT!!!
21:31:11 <rust_collector> I didn't know there was esd safe crocs...
21:38:41 <Ysjoelfir> there are
21:38:45 <Ysjoelfir> we have them here
21:38:52 <Ysjoelfir> in pink, white and black
21:39:20 <rust_collector> yes, I see they came in 2009, but...
21:43:33 <steve30> I now have an HDV camcorder :)
21:43:52 <rust_collector> nope
21:44:02 <rust_collector> I don't think so
21:45:12 <rust_collector> we at least need some specs, other than 100% new and high quality
21:46:22 <steve30> Sony HVR-A1 circa 2007
21:47:31 <rust_collector> oh, it even looks like a camera. that is cool
21:48:25 <K> whatcha gonna record with it?
21:49:05 <Ysjoelfir> home porn?
21:49:45 <steve30> stuff
21:52:10 <steve30> Needs a thorough cleaning.
21:52:16 <steve30> Also it has one of those pesky touch screens
21:52:20 <Ysjoelfir> does it stick?
21:52:47 <steve30> no
21:52:56 <Ysjoelfir> then it can't be that dirty :P
22:13:06 <rust_collector> I should go look for one of those oooold green dim leds
22:14:20 <rust_collector> steve30, don't use brake cleaner
22:22:19 <rust_collector> time for a nap... have fun
22:23:04 * Ysjoelfir has many ooooooold LEDs. some dim. some partially burnt by hot irons. some just shitty.
22:34:10 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: FeO, nice to see you. <-- anyone, anyone, Ferrous?
22:35:16 <Ysjoelfir> Ferrous Oxide actually :D
22:39:05 <T3sl4> no Buellium here
22:40:15 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:40:35 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/nNsCWk.jpg Take a look at those nice whiskers on that switch from a fluke 5200A
22:42:08 <electrohead> o/
22:42:17 <electrohead> rust_collector: you're back finally
22:42:47 <Ysjoelfir> yes. all thanks to me, mr. head! <3
22:43:08 <electrohead> haha, welcome back :p
22:43:12 <electrohead> and, g'morning and stuff
22:43:14 <T3sl4> mmm, bearded
22:43:43 <Ysjoelfir> mornings to you too, mr. head :)
22:44:13 * Ysjoelfir hands a strong black sweet milky tea to electrohead and a razor to T3sl4 to shave my... screws
22:44:31 <electrohead> speaking of shave, I need to shave my head again
22:44:40 * T3sl4 shaves it with fire instead
22:44:51 * Ysjoelfir hands electrohead ..... damn you T3sl4, I wanted to hand him some fuel xD
22:44:55 <electrohead> not much would burn off :P
22:45:11 <electrohead> but, just long enough to make me want to shave again :p
22:45:22 <T3sl4> gimme fuel gimme far gimme dabajabazah
22:45:32 <electrohead> huh!
22:45:35 <Ysjoelfir> do it the turkish style with a piece of string
22:45:40 <electrohead> yeah-ha
22:47:17 <Ysjoelfir> I once read a commercial sign from one of those turkish barber shops. it advertised "nose hair removal with string - x€" and stuff like that, and on the last line there was "complete face removal with string" XD
22:48:05 <T3sl4> pfft, i could walk into any industrial operation and get that done for free
22:48:32 <electrohead> lol
22:48:36 * Ysjoelfir forces T3sl4's face into an old leather belt from a ceiling transmission system
22:48:58 <T3sl4> mmm, freshly skived
23:04:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Can someone please explain how and why the Twitter stock price is at a 5 year high? BTW, you'd have to be high on something to hold Twitter stock. https://t.co/hrpWHmdeVM
23:09:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You see Harold Holt trending on Twitter and the first thought is "they found him?" For those who have no clue, Harold Holt was an Australian Prime Minister that went swimming one day and they never found him. We just shrugged and elected another one. #Australia https://t.co/t8HG0GB81s
23:10:50 <T3sl4> there's a simpsons reference in there
23:11:34 <T3sl4> https://youtu.be/WdAun0NpF5A?t=87
23:12:13 <Ampera> I'm now convinced your brain doesn't work like anyone else's and it relies purely on simpsons references to process stimuli
23:16:13 <T3sl4> oh, there are far worse than this
23:16:23 <T3sl4> also, i used to be even worse
23:16:53 <Ampera> Any worse and it'd start to break some of the rules of war set forth by the various Geneva conventions.
23:17:46 <steve30> On the subject of Simpsons references, here one I did, in case you haven't already seen it
23:17:47 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh8hWg7y0OE
23:18:00 <T3sl4> as the police are happy to remind us, geneva convention doesn't apply to civil matters
23:19:46 <Ampera> I swear the next person to start getting political is going to get fucking smacked upside the head for not learning the valuable skill of shutting up
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23:20:02 <Ampera> I am so fucking sick of people going the fuck on about their shitty worthless political opinions that I am about to start cracking skulls
23:20:34 <Ampera> There's not a damn person these days who can't keep their mouth shut and not start an argument
23:21:04 * steve30 zaps Ampera with a T3sl4
23:21:11 <Ampera> :P
23:21:31 <Ampera> It's like the American voting season this time around is just a reason for everyone to be a cunt 24/7
23:21:45 <T3sl4> it's too bad they don't know i voted weeks ago
23:21:56 <T3sl4> so many calls. so many.
23:22:12 * steve30 wonders who T3sl4 voted for
23:22:28 <Ampera> I don't have to I already know as like hell is he voting for the orange guy.
23:22:43 <Ampera> and the local stuff doesn't matter to me it's another state entirely
23:23:28 <Ampera> This is the first time I can vote, and it's one of the shittiest election cycles we've had, to make 2016 look like a well reasoned debate
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23:35:36 <T3sl4> hrm odd, that tea made me a little queasy
23:58:16 <steve30> I will assume T3sl4 voted for steve30 to take over the world :p
23:58:42 <T3sl4> nah, inanimate carbon rod 2020
23:59:30 <steve30> aww
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