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12:19 <rust_collector> ok, Ysjoelfir... is this enough air for you? https://imgur.com/a/ug5zjFT
13:55 <electrohead> rust_collector: nice hole :p
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19:10 <rust_collector> thanks electrohead, I think my hole is much nicer than Ysjoelfirs overengineered german hole
19:39 <electrohead> lol
24:02 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/BEjl0Ao breakfast time
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46:33 <Nothing\> hey hey
46:44 <Nothing\> heh i'm listening to a live stream of uvb-76
46:45 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\ <3
46:55 <rust_collector> the what?
47:00 <Nothing\> it's weird, you can hear morse code faintly in the background from time to time
47:08 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3
47:40 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it's a russian based short wave radio station that since the 70s has been broadcasting nothing but a buzzing sound every second or so
48:04 <Nothing\> and every few years a recording will play listing a bunch of numbers and names (representing letters)
48:21 <Nothing\> but the weird thing is, instead of having the buzzing play directly from the transmitter
48:43 <Nothing\> it's being played from a separate recording they just put a microphone in front of and are broadcasting that
48:57 <Nothing\> so you can sometimes hear noises in the room, like the morse code, or people talking
49:14 <Nothing\> one of those internet mysteries blown out of proportions
49:23 <T3sl4> well that's not very hi fidelity of them
49:43 <Nothing\> it really isn't
49:45 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LegzZZRIqj4&ab_channel=TheSWLChannel
49:59 <Nothing\> it's a nice stream cuz there's an FFT waterfall display of it too
50:08 <Nothing\> but it's only SD so you can't see any real detail in it
50:22 <Nothing\> bout ready to do my own fft on it from my own microphone lol
51:10 <Nothing\> it really is an interesting story though, there are all sorts of different stations like this. called "buzzer stations"
51:42 <Nothing\> i'd really like to get into HAM or shortwave
51:56 <Nothing\> my brother used to have a shortwave receiver
52:05 <Nothing\> it used to creep me out listening to it
52:20 <Nothing\> you'd hear all sorts of creepy sounds
52:46 <Nothing\> hell, i should buy one. they can't be THAT much
53:17 <rust_collector> I believe they start cheap, and go up and up and up and up
53:29 <Nothing\> i swear i can hear a person's voice or a radio or something in the background of that stream
53:56 <rust_collector> is that pirate radio, when you broadcast the sounds from a different radio?
54:53 <Nothing\> some of it is
55:06 <Nothing\> but yeah usually it's privately operated
56:00 <Nothing\> like ham radio type stuff
56:13 <Nothing\> they were like chatrooms before the internet
56:28 <Nothing\> people would go on these radios and talk to one another across the globe
57:03 <rust_collector> ok. well, I should go and finish installing my bedroom window
57:16 <Nothing\> oh, good news
57:20 <Nothing\> i'm regular!
57:47 <rust_collector> every week!
58:06 <Nothing\> last 2 days in a row i've had proper type 3 poops
58:14 <T3sl4> ha
58:15 <Nothing\> i haven't had a type 3 poop in years
58:33 <Nothing\> almost always type 1 or what i dub type 0
58:50 <Nothing\> which is where multiple type 1s get compacted together and fuse into one gigantic megaturd
59:04 <T3sl4> 1 is kinda marbles, isnt it?
59:08 <Nothing\> yup
59:18 <Nothing\> haha you actually know about the bristol stool chart?
59:21 <T3sl4> 3 is... one blob, kinda sticky?
59:34 <T3sl4> no one can accuse me of not knowing shit
00:06 <Nothing\> nah 3 is more normal consistancy, described as... sausage shaped with cracks in the surface
00:36 <Nothing\> and 4 is more flat like a "snake" as it describes it
00:37 <Nothing\> lol
00:56 <rust_collector> flat like a snake...
01:02 <Nothing\> i lost my shit when i learned of the bristol stool scale
01:10 <rust_collector> mmhmm
01:11 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol the surface
01:17 <Nothing\> not the shape of it
20:41 <Nothing\> huh
20:54 <Nothing\> i'm just going through the documentation in the windows 10 command line
21:06 <Nothing\> it has 2 different commands to create a directory
21:21 <Nothing\> there's "md" and then the classic "mkdir"
21:34 <Nothing\> both have the exact same description
23:33 <Nothing\> even the help files are the same
23:43 <T3sl4> yeah, that's old, like CP/M old
25:55 <Nothing\> huh, yeah i've heard of mkdir, but never md
26:22 <Nothing\> and what the hell is a "command extension"?
28:04 <T3sl4> https://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?topic=13988.0
28:21 <T3sl4> mmm, these beans are good, think i'll have another serving
28:32 <T3sl4> i'm going to be irregular tomorrow!
28:39 <T3sl4> but regularly farting >:)
29:32 <Nothing\> i need all the regularity i can get
29:58 <Nothing\> although, despite my being more regular. whenever i do have to go, i get incredibly painful cramps
30:28 <Nothing\> i dunno why bowel cramps have to be literally one of the top 10 most painful things in my life
31:25 <Nothing\> ACK!
31:47 <Nothing\> or why about 50% o,f the time i drink something, it goes down my windpipe and i choke on it cuz i can't swallow it properly
32:11 <Nothing\> gonna end up getting aspiration pneumonia
32:47 <Nothing\> it would be kinda apropos since that's what did my grandfather in
35:29 <T3sl4> humans are proof that creationism is dead... or god is one lazy fuck
36:22 <T3sl4> numerous design issues, i want to talk to the manager
36:54 <Nothing\> T3sl4, you everwatch the channel "medlife crisis"?
37:05 <T3sl4> dont think so
40:05 <Nothing\> it's a good channel, done by a cardiologist in between calls on his pager usually. but he talks about this one nerve, or maybe it was a blood vessel, the glossopharyngeal i believe. and how it's good evidence against creationism because the path it takes is something like, it starts at your brain, goes down through your thorax, then loops around your aorta and on to whatever it innervates
40:20 <Nothing\> instead of just taking the direct root without having to wrap around the aorta
40:50 <Nothing\> or without having to go several feet into the thorax and then loop back up
41:00 <Nothing\> i dunno, he explains it far better
41:01 <T3sl4> heh yeah
41:22 <Nothing\> but there's stuff like that people cite against creationism
41:40 <T3sl4> it's not horrible in humans, but it tracks with neck length, and it's ridiculous in giraffes
42:06 <Nothing\> but i'm more of the mindset that god doesn't create life like that, he more sets out the rules of universe and then puts it all into motion and lets whatever will happen, happen
42:32 <Nothing\> to a degree, mind you i'm still incredibly confuse about it. as any human who isn't in denial is
43:21 <Nothing\> any human who claims to know god, his specific intentions or understand him in any way needs to go sit on the toilet. cuz they're full of shit.
43:54 <Nothing\> and my "know god" i mean know his nature, not know him as in like you know a friend or acquaintance
44:01 <Nothing\> *by
44:28 <Nothing\> i don't believe humans have the capacity to understand god or his intentions
44:51 <Nothing\> and i use his as a pronoun of convenience. i really don't think he has a gender.
46:20 <T3sl4> some time ago, i would've said: i believe god is an engineer: eternally lazy, but also smart. how do you make life? easy, make a universe that has certain stability properties, and which supports interactions complex enough for evolution to develop
46:25 <Nothing\> that's the thing that gets me about most atheists, is they seem to base their belief, or lack there of, on the abrahamic religions of christianity and judaism and such
46:38 <T3sl4> set it in motion, pop, there's a universe, and let it go
46:43 <Nothing\> they believe the bible represents god's intentions and nature
47:26 <Nothing\> once i learned you need not connect the two and start exploring god outside of christianity, it was a lot easier to believe in such an entity
47:47 <T3sl4> these days not only do i not find any explanatory value in the concept of god, but i've also seen it has toxic effects on people, all the more reason to distance myself from it, as a moral person
48:36 <Nothing\> what makes you think it's toxic? just the false information leading one down a rabbit hole that goes nowhere?
48:59 <Nothing\> and the way it spreads, aggressively in some cases
49:17 <Nothing\> or how some use it to take advantage of others
49:25 <T3sl4> Nothing\: yeah, the jain conception of what fits for god/afterlife is pretty reasonable, it's specifically ambiguous and unknowable
50:01 <T3sl4> (i'm sure i'm misrepresenting that, not exactly being a scholar of that myself, but just broadly speaking)
50:03 <Nothing\> that's mostly my view on god, ambiguity and unknowing
50:13 <Nothing\> right
50:30 <Nothing\> but like i said, i don't believe a human is capable of understanding god
50:50 <T3sl4> the best explanation i ever saw about it is here actually: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ-vHE5CrGaL_ITEg-n3OeA
50:53 <Nothing\> it's like when i was a kid thinking about cigarettes
52:03 <Nothing\> i always thought people smoked cigarettes because it was just something to do. sort of like an amusement or something. and they could puff on it in a variety of ways, they could breathe in but not inhale, they could inhale, or they could breathe out through the cigarette and make the cherry glow red
52:19 <Nothing\> cuz i hadn't the slightest clue what addiction was
52:42 <Nothing\> likewise i couldn't understand why anyone would do drug when they're so bad for it
52:52 <Nothing\> *for you
53:09 <Nothing\> addiction was just something i couldn't fathom as a child
53:37 <Nothing\> frankly i don't think a person can fathom addiction without experiencing it first hand anyways, but that's beside the point
53:44 <T3sl4> tl;dr if god exists, and it created us, then, eipicurus' trilemma; the most disturbing and inescapable conclusion from which, god subjects us to bad situations to gaslight and abuse us; in short, god is a narcissist
54:52 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i've always believed the world isn't real since i was a kid. so the closes i have to an explaination for what god is is that god's whomever created this simulation or whatever it is we live in
55:03 <Nothing\> he made the rules the govern it and so on
55:29 <Nothing\> i don't believe prayer works though
55:47 <Nothing\> in fact, i think a la christianity, prayer might even be blasphemous
55:58 <Nothing\> cuz think about it, god has his grand plan, right?
56:15 <T3sl4> i also don't find that idea (simulation) useful; it's redundant
56:19 <Nothing\> and when you pray to him and ask for something
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56:37 <T3sl4> (not to mention unprovable, but we're already talking about the metaphysical here so that's assumed)
56:41 <Nothing\> say you're financially struggling and you pray for help with that, right
57:05 <Nothing\> but what if god's plan was to put you through a rough point so you could grow as a person, or at least learn something
57:36 <Nothing\> you're basically telling god "hey, listen i know you've got this great plan in place and everything. but i know better than you, so can you do this instead?"
57:46 <Nothing\> like you're implying you know better
58:16 <Nothing\> plus, according to christians, god already knows what's best for us and what we need
58:29 <Nothing\> and is always working towards that
58:39 <T3sl4> but see, that's already problematic: it's a thought process dependent upon, and reinforcing of, the idea of god as the dominating nacissist
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58:53 <Nothing\> if you ask him for something that would hinder that. that's pretty blasphemous imo
59:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well that's the old testament god
59:32 <Nothing\> after christ, god takes on a much softer and more understanding demeanor
59:39 <T3sl4> it's also the new testament god, if not necessarily according to jesus' word as recorded, then what his followers built
59:52 <Nothing\> ah
00:13 <Nothing\> i don't think i've read much past the new testament
00:19 <Nothing\> or really much of the bible
01:00 <Nothing\> i've read genesis and like half of exodus, matthew which i'm actually rather fond of cuz it gives you a glimpse into how they lived back then
01:14 <Nothing\> i've read most of psalms
01:21 <T3sl4> the new testament was laid down in 100AD or so, already some generations after jesus, but further it's been sorted from apocrypha, 1st council of nicaea for example
01:25 <Nothing\> half of revelations, of course
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01:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's not surprising if it's been so long
02:06 <Nothing\> like a game of teleophen
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02:39 <T3sl4> even neverminding that, the whole concept of "the word of god" being "inspired into the human hand" is obvious BS
03:33 <Nothing\> yeah definitely
03:41 <Nothing\> brb fud
03:45 <T3sl4> mmm, food
04:14 <rust_collector> bompilompilomp
05:31 * T3sl4 pours beans on rust_collector
05:54 <rust_collector> BEANS!!!!
13:23 <Nothing\> oooh found a biochem textbook in these textbooks my cousin gave me
13:53 <Nothing\> lol it's sad that having a PhD in the family feels like having a minor celebrity in the family or something
14:15 <Nothing\> everyone else in our family wound up as drug addicts and furniture salesmen
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14:44 <Nothing\> along with dabbling in other various ventures, like my dad sold royal daltons for the longest time
15:07 <Nothing\> which are these victorian era ceramic figures of like, people and stuff
15:34 <Nothing\> or i dunno if it was royal dalton, but along the same lines, they had these weird looking ceramic mugs with creepy faces on them
15:45 <Nothing\> but not intentionally creepy
17:00 <Nothing\> mugs like this: https://cdn0.rubylane.com/_pod/item/1311637/3169/Vintage-Royal-Doulton-Mug-pic-1A-2048-843-f.jpg
17:45 <Nothing\> i remember my grandfather even sold full replica suits of armor on stands so it was like a guard standing at attention
19:01 <T3sl4> odd
19:16 <Nothing\> yeah they were into some weird businesses
19:56 <Nothing\> my grandfather would always drive a big rig down to mexico and load up on whatever he could get his hands on and sell them for a mark up
20:13 <Nothing\> frankly he shoulda done silver
20:37 <Nothing\> mexican silver is dirt cheap, especially back then in the 60s-early 90's
21:03 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind trading silver at some point. my brother used to make good money on it
21:19 <Nothing\> except the mint has a minimum order of 50 oz troy
21:34 <Nothing\> at something like $18/oz
21:49 <Nothing\> plus a markup, i'm sure
22:05 <Nothing\> i doubt the mint would sell boullion right at spot price
22:53 <Nothing\> holy crap, $24/oz troy right now
23:02 <Nothing\> it was like $16 just a few weeks ago
23:33 <Nothing\> see? i coulda made a 30% profit at least
23:41 <Nothing\> plus markup
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23:56 <Nothing\> hey watcher
25:53 <T3sl4> or do it on commodities or futures or whatever
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30:42 <Nothing\> so i got at least a rough estimate of how much the dental work i need on my teeth will cost me
30:57 <Nothing\> at the very least, after taxes... $50,000
31:00 <Nothing\> :/
31:08 <Nothing\> i'm thinking of starting a go-fund-me page or something
31:30 <Nothing\> i mean, fuck if i had $50k to spend i'd buy a fucking car
31:31 <T3sl4> are you buying a new set from a virgin?
31:39 <electrohead> well that was a routing issue and a half, ffs
31:39 <Nothing\> or buy a house in detroit
31:44 <electrohead> all is good now
31:47 <electrohead> and, hey o/
31:49 <electrohead> lol
31:57 <Nothing\> T3sl4, $40k of it is for implants
31:58 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead
32:04 * electrohead husg back
32:07 <electrohead> hugs*
32:13 <rust_collector> Nothing\, get on a plane to turkey and get it done for 4k
32:21 <Nothing\> plus i just realized it'd be more than that, cuz i'd need to pay the lab fees to make the dentures
32:31 <T3sl4> hows that compare with just dentures
32:31 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol good idea
32:42 <steve30> Where are people supposed to get that kind of money from?
32:50 <rust_collector> it is not entirely a joke
40:48 <T3sl4> btw steve30, https://imgur.com/gallery/BEjl0Ao
41:52 <Nothing\> steve30, trust funds
41:55 <Nothing\> :/
42:18 <Nothing\> steve30, it's like how the AVERAGE price of a home in toronto is $800k
42:35 <Nothing\> it's to the point where only the wealthy will be able to afford a home
42:48 <Nothing\> and all of the rental units ar ebeing converted into condos
43:09 <Nothing\> tent cities are becoming a real problem in canada
43:24 <Nothing\> especially vancouver, where housing prices are the worst
44:11 <Nothing\> average price in vancouver is $892,000 :o
44:14 <Nothing\> like wtf
44:45 <Nothing\> it's cuz all of these foreign companies are coming in and buying up the properties, so demand is up and therefor so is the price
45:16 <Nothing\> meanwhile trudeau said he'd fix it when he was elected. we're still waiting.
45:38 <Nothing\> nevermind i just read that this recession is the worst we've seen since the 20s
45:48 <Nothing\> worse even than the 2006 one
49:44 <Nothing\> oh cool, there's a contra 4
49:49 <Nothing\> on the DS
50:23 <Nothing\> wish i could figure out how to get TTSMENU to sort my ROMs alphabetically rather than chronologically though
51:14 <Nothing\> oooh a bomberman RPG
54:43 <Nothing\> hey guys, i got a question about mounting disc images in windows 10 natively
55:09 <Nothing\> how would i go about mounting a bin/cue file like that? cuz there aren't mounting options on either file
59:18 <T3sl4> think you need a driver (user mode?) to do that
00:51 <electrohead> is there an equivelant of a loopback driver for windows?
04:19 <rust_collector> uhm, virtual machine, then share the mounted image? I dunno, I bet there is some way to do it. at least 15 nerds use windows
05:01 <Nothing\> my alternative is to just install something like alcohol 120% and mount it with that
05:14 <electrohead> wow, I haven't heard that name in a while
05:17 <Nothing\> which i'm not too averse to because alcohol 120% was good software
06:03 <Nothing\> lol electrohead on my old computer, windows wouldn't mount any disc images at all so i wound up having to use alcohol 120% and it's still just as good
06:47 <Nothing\> you click mount and it'd just sit there with the hourglass for ages and eventually stop and nothing would have happened
21:27 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/bdkvou9esnt51.jpg
22:50 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://i.redd.it/o9e6j6cozmt51.jpg
23:13 <steve30> hehe
23:26 * steve30 sits cutely on T3sl4's keyboard
24:47 <T3sl4> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
35:11 <hsn> hohoho
36:17 <hsn> hey T3sl4 ..
36:35 <hsn> i wanna ur opinion about somthing im doing .. and feel like im pissing in wind :D
36:57 <T3sl4> hsn: https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/a67932b2-a88b-4868-841f-1b982798f9b9
38:02 <Nothing\> sweet
38:19 <Nothing\> this one stereo reciever in my uncel's stuff works
38:34 <Nothing\> it's pretty new looking too, has usb and hdmi and what not
38:44 <Nothing\> and dolby 7.1
38:56 <Nothing\> with all of the speakers and stands
39:12 <hsn> T3sl4, im using nrf chip .. which has "reference circuitary" .. erm .. like this: https://snipboard.io/c0UGOu.jpg
39:55 <Nothing\> has a lot of banana jacks in the back of it, not sure what on earth those would be for
40:20 <Nothing\> oh wait, that's the one under it
40:29 <T3sl4> matching network?
40:31 <Nothing\> apparently they're for the dolby
40:42 <hsn> T3sl4, so what i did .. played with some website tool .. to find .. the pin impedance .. https://snipboard.io/RBezcP.jpg
40:43 <Nothing\> one set for 5.1 and another for 7.1
41:03 <Nothing\> never heard of speakers using banana jacks before
41:52 <hsn> so i assume its Rs= 115 , reactance 25 .. and i took same values to find pi network : https://snipboard.io/CHW3I0.jpg
41:54 <T3sl4> hsn: do you know that the "RF" end is 50+j0 ohms?
42:28 <hsn> T3sl4, no .. the antenna i want to use have no info actually ! https://www.johansontechnology.com/datasheets/2450AT42E0100/2450AT42E0100.pdf
42:56 <Nothing\> oh nice, this one,s a pioneer
43:07 <Nothing\> the other ones are onkyos, which i've never heard of
43:39 <Nothing\> oooh even has a DSP in it
44:27 <T3sl4> says 50 ohms
44:32 <T3sl4> i'd like to see a layout doc tho
44:42 <hsn> they .. hide it :)
45:04 <hsn> "ask us" "ask us" .. etc
45:57 <hsn> so .. T3sl4 ... assuming my layout will be 50ohm .. antenna .. what i did is correct ? converted the nrf chip "from typical values to pin impedance" stuff ?
46:30 <T3sl4> they have this but it's mostly for the AT45 https://www.johansontechnology.com/chip-antenna-layout-considerations-for-802-11-applications
46:45 <hsn> T3sl4, i mean .. i changed these two until i got close values to nrf52832 reference circuit values : https://snipboard.io/PY53NR.jpg
47:28 <hsn> T3sl4, ah .. yeah .. i saw it .. but that specific one is "zero clearance antenna" doesnt match these ..
48:44 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/G2EXAy.jpg << so i assume its 50 .
49:19 <Nothing\> 500 watts for this reciever
49:21 <Nothing\> not bad
50:05 <Nothing\> here it is
50:07 <Nothing\> https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/pioneer/vsx-d466s.shtml
50:42 <Nothing\> does it really need a frequency response up to 100khz?
50:49 <Nothing\> that seems a bit overkill
50:53 <hsn> 9.1kg .. thats heavy huh ?
51:02 <Nothing\> yeah it's a big bastarde
51:13 <Nothing\> most stereo receivers are
51:18 <Nothing\> at least that i've dealt with
51:39 <Nothing\> gotta have beefy parts and heatsinks to handle that 500 watts
52:12 <Nothing\> 1997 it was made though, that's a bit older than i was hoping
53:34 <Nothing\> here's the 2nd one i have here
53:36 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/Onkyo-HT-RC360-7-2-Channel-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B004UR487U
53:50 <Nothing\> seems kinda crap
55:20 <Nothing\> and the last one i have
55:22 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR606-Receiver-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B0015S8PGW
55:39 <Nothing\> but i'm guessing those last 2 don't work since my aunt said only one of them worked
55:59 <Nothing\> plus damned if i have any speakers with banana jacks for the input
56:12 <hsn> T3sl4, another consideration is .. they also .. have different ones for different thicknesses .. https://snipboard.io/E3tCZ9.jpg ... and im using (sig gnd pwr sig gnd sig) 1mm stackup .. and im thinking .. under the antenna i should only have (5th layer gnd .. no other planes should be in there) .. is this correct thinking ??
56:57 <Nothing\> unless i took apart a broken multimeter probe and solder the banana jacks onto a speaker
57:24 <T3sl4> use the chip recommended for 1mm board and remove all inner layer copper under it, pour the back side
00:06 <hsn> can i use .. the 5th layer .. that will be 0.8mm .. or the subtrate between 5th and 6th will fuck the calculations ? :D
01:39 <T3sl4> you can use inner layers to get a lower height yes
01:55 <T3sl4> use the appropriate version part in any case
03:00 <hsn> yes .. correct version .. no problem ..
05:22 <rust_collector> i am looking forward to hsn receiving his 666 pallets of random garbage from nordic. that will be fun
05:38 <hsn> T3sl4, thanks .. for the first consideration .. u think i did it correctly ? i've no idea what im doing .. i just used a website online calculator .. put some numbers .. to convert that L to pi .. https://snipboard.io/Z6pdDy.jpg
06:00 <hsn> rust_collector, i swear i've no idea what u talking about hahhaah
06:02 <T3sl4> yes yes, those numbers are nbelievable
06:20 <T3sl4> what's more important are whether the assumptions are right
06:47 <rust_collector> hsn, have you heard about people prank ordering pizza to someone?
07:10 <hsn> T3sl4, :D lol ... actually i just wanted to convert that thing to PI .. in case assumptions are wrong .. i can always short the pi to L again .. with 0 ohm resistor
07:19 <hsn> rust_collector, no ..
07:24 <rust_collector> or like my best ever fake order... a pair of garage doors.
07:34 <rust_collector> ok, I guess that would be illegal
07:45 <T3sl4> why pi? looks like the Q is higher --> more sensitive to component variation
07:47 <hsn> so did u order me .. pile of shit ?
08:36 <hsn> T3sl4, thats the thing .. i dont know what pi has advantage over L .. i've just seen it used a lot and thought lets act im smart
08:37 <hsn> hahah
08:49 <T3sl4> i see
08:56 <hsn> but .. i also thought .. i can convert that pi to L .. with 0ohm resistor
09:04 <hsn> or open circuit ..
09:35 <T3sl4> as long as the extra pad capacitance and trace length don't screw it up
09:59 <hsn> i guess .. not in this frequency ?
10:02 <hsn> X_X
10:33 <T3sl4> without a VNA the best you can do is reproduce the original circuit, down to exact trace length and impedance
10:59 <hsn> ah
19:44 <hsn> rust_collector, what did u order for me
20:10 <hsn> im going to jail
20:13 <T3sl4> i hope it was a shrubbery
20:26 <hsn> because u order wireless stuff
20:56 <rust_collector> Oh, I did not say "I" ordered anything.... but there might be a big pile of stuff on the way.
21:16 <hsn> holy moly .. what is it
21:16 <hsn> :D
21:43 <hsn> rust_collector, let me show u some of my search history : https://snipboard.io/lJta3c.jpg
21:53 <rust_collector> I don't know, I do not know anything about weird mini things with networky thingies
22:12 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/cFP439.jpg
22:42 <rust_collector> nice
23:24 <rust_collector> maybe, as I now know you are interested, you should get some random chemicals from sherwin williams
24:06 <hsn> no juton ?
24:26 <rust_collector> jotun is boring
25:28 <hsn> so is there really somthing on way?
25:38 <rust_collector> I guess it would look like you were running an industrial meth lab?
25:52 <hsn> because i'll get called by ministry of interiors .. if there is ..
25:56 <hsn> i better have answers
25:57 <hsn> hahah
26:36 <hsn> these guys .. easily say "u doing bombs" ..
26:55 <hsn> hit me few times .. record me saying yes im bomber .. and put me on bahrain TV..
26:56 <rust_collector> hmmm, it could be that you should find some answers, just in case
27:24 <rust_collector> ooh, so you would be famous!
27:29 <hsn> yay
27:48 <hsn> ok .. if i disappeared .. u know u did it lol
27:49 <hsn> :D
28:08 <rust_collector> tell them you are not allowed to talk about it
28:29 <hsn> thats worse hahaha
28:52 <hsn> .. oh ur not allowed .. means .. u are dealing with iran ..
29:08 <rust_collector> ok?
29:42 <rust_collector> so, people working for your government do not have secrets, right?
29:57 <hsn> u r being paid by "iran goverment" to sabotage the piece in the lovely bahrain
30:12 <hsn> rust_collector, i think mostly not heh :D
30:24 <rust_collector> right, that is where all the money comes from
30:43 <hsn> money is gonna go soon
31:34 <rust_collector> so, how are things down there today?
31:57 <rust_collector> yes, hot and dusty, but...
32:02 <hsn> these .. ppl :: https://www.imf.org/external/index.htm
32:37 <hsn> are having some meetings here .. so there is gonna be some bad things gonna to happen soon
33:00 <rust_collector> mmhmm
33:45 <rust_collector> I am sort of looking forward to the bahrain-andorra wars... should be entertaining
33:56 <hsn> allready few days .. i saw a news of "electricity going to be very expensive soon" exactly after these folks had meeting with minister of electricity
34:38 <hsn> so .. down here .. we are entering the "winter" .. which is basically .. nice weather
34:55 <rust_collector> same here
35:01 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/m8N50G.jpg
35:51 <hsn> urs is not so nice :P
35:58 <rust_collector> yeah, that would be ok, if I was in the shade, not doing anything except eating and drinking
36:01 <hsn> our nice is ur summer i guess ?
36:07 <rust_collector> yep
36:09 Join: jackbrown ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
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37:33 <rust_collector> hmm, i tlooks like it will be a bit warmer... https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Hav/Skoppum_observation_site/long.html
38:19 <hsn> i think ... in our "most winter" .. we will reach .. "11C" for 1 week or so ..
38:20 <hsn> :D
38:40 <jackbrown> hey there
38:53 <hsn> and then back to somthing like 19-23C most of the time ..
38:57 <hsn> hi jackbrown
39:15 <rust_collector> I think, the coldest I have seen here, is -32. but yes, most of the time, it is at around 0 to -15 or so
39:27 <jackbrown> Question why some resistor are bigger in size ? Is there any difference with the small one s?
39:46 <rust_collector> it could be one that can handle more power
41:16 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I was reading this thread, they say that it's due to technology https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=146254
42:49 <rust_collector> sure. but if you buy a large modern one, and a tiny modern one, the big one can probably handle more power than the tiny one? if you want to compare a normal part, to one from 1930, that is a bit different
44:04 <jackbrown> rust_collector: why did I learn to identify the resistor just with ohm measurement ? They should be a second value as for the capacitor ex 1500uf 25V
44:55 <T3sl4> voltage and current ratings are typical, and wattage is more or less by size
45:02 <hsn> there is second part but mostly not important as in caps..
45:41 <hsn> T3sl4, i think there is voltage rating .. but is there current rating ?
45:48 <T3sl4> yes
45:51 <hsn> or just voltage and power ?
46:03 <rust_collector> that sort of is the same, no?
46:06 <jackbrown> T3sl4: how can I understand a resistor wattage looking at it? I learn that he color will tell you the resistance but I dunno nothing about wattage https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/resistor/res_7.html
46:18 <T3sl4> voltage limit applies to high values, power to middle values, and current to low values
46:55 <rust_collector> ooh, I found a little transistor from 10/71. that is neat
47:02 <T3sl4> jackbrown: a typical 1/4W resistor is around 6mm long
47:38 <jackbrown> T3sl4: let's say that I have a burnt resistor, I know hoe many ohm it is because of the color, how can I know what it's wattage ?
47:58 <rust_collector> well, you would know it was not enough?
48:29 <hsn> <T3sl4> voltage limit applies to high values, power to middle values, and current to low values
48:34 <hsn> meaning .. ?
49:09 <jackbrown> hsn: sorry I got lost
49:10 <T3sl4> a 10k 1/2W resistor ain't gonna survive 2A nor 300V
49:13 <hsn> T3sl4, are u refering to : Johnson–Nyquist noise ?
50:00 <jackbrown> T3sl4: ok thanks so the second value for the resistor besides the resistance in ohm, it's the wattage
50:39 <hsn> ah .. ok .. i got u T3sl4 .. i would say that both of these are actually (power rating) .. i would say there is also (voltage rating) ..
51:00 <hsn> meaning .. at some big voltage .. it will be short circuit ressitor .. from inside ..
51:05 <T3sl4> well, power is power
51:11 <T3sl4> and current is current, and voltage is voltage
51:20 <hsn> i think "MELF" resistor has higher ..
51:22 <jackbrown> https://www.electricalengineering.xyz/sheet/resistor-power-rating-chart/
51:27 <hsn> voltage ratings
51:28 <hsn> ?
52:14 <jackbrown> 5 Watt Resistor is the bigger that exists ?
52:29 <rust_collector> no
52:38 <hsn> jackbrown, i got these .. white 5W resistors
52:52 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/uKoyqsuSqeAULmbw5
53:38 <jackbrown> hsn: never seen
53:52 <T3sl4> you don't see banded resistors much over 1 or 2W, though they exist
54:26 <T3sl4> above that, metal-oxide and wirewound resistors tend to be printed, and they go from cylindrical to square and other bodies
54:31 <jackbrown> T3sl4: hsn let's say I burnt a 1Watt resistor 100Ohm for example and I just have 1/4 watt resistor 100Ohm, can I solder 4 o them to replace the 1watt ?
54:48 <hsn> yes
54:51 <T3sl4> in series parallel so they're the same resistance, yes
55:07 <jackbrown> T3sl4: they have to be all 4 100ohm or 25x4 ?
55:24 <T3sl4> or 400
55:30 <jackbrown> ?
55:31 <hsn> 25ohm * 4 in series .. or 400 x 4 parallel
55:40 <jackbrown> hsn: ah ok
56:23 <hsn> i guess "but really not sure" .. in parralel u might want to seperate them little bit .. to get more cooling
57:06 <jackbrown> hsn: I think it's just theoretical becuase I think I'll buy the proper one
57:30 <jackbrown> hsn: T3sl4 does anyone have to suggest a nice kit with capacitors an resistor cheap that I can buy from Aliexpress ?
57:51 <hsn> T3sl4, i was refering to : https://www.vishay.com/docs/49772/_cmb0207_wvm_pt9197_1605.pdf .. https://www.vishay.com/docs/49772/_cmb0207_wvm_pt9197_1605.pdf
57:59 <hsn> Up to 10 kV or 3 kW single pulse capability
58:19 <T3sl4> there are specialty types with higher ratings, yes
58:40 <T3sl4> especially pulsed ratings ;)
58:45 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/6XUhbO.jpg
59:25 <hsn> jackbrown, i bought 1 book sample before .. SMD stuff ..
00:36 <hsn> jackbrown, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33052890464.html
00:39 <jackbrown> hsn: yes I know that smd books, they are cool, but I'm looking at some TH kit to have all the resistor and the capacitors that I could need
01:01 <jackbrown> hsn: this is just 0805 size ?
01:03 <rust_collector> you can get TH books as well
01:04 <hsn> jackbrown, never bought sorry ..
01:19 <rust_collector> well, at least you used to
01:29 <hsn> jackbrown, yes .. i think its perfect for hand solder stuff ...
01:32 <jackbrown> hsn: if you need some TH resistor or capacitor you just go and buy them?
02:09 <hsn> jackbrown, i've ones laying down .. i use them .. i got them from university days ..
02:24 <jackbrown> ok
03:02 <jackbrown> hsn: what's 0201? I soldered till 402
03:20 <rust_collector> about half
03:24 <hsn> T3sl4, but also https://snipboard.io/6XUhbO.jpg << that 500V .. i think is not related power .. just it will short or somthing ..
03:41 <hsn> or thats what i thought .. i duunnu
03:50 <jackbrown> rust_collector: have you have soldered 0201? for 0402 i use microscope
04:05 <hsn> jackbrown, 0201 .. the ones that u struggle to see .. and dont wanna see ... :D
04:10 <rust_collector> nope. i do not do fancy modern stuff
04:33 <rust_collector> I barely do old basic stuff
04:43 * T3sl4 sneezes sand at hsn
04:53 <hsn> http://hsn93.com/www/haha.mp4
05:13 <jackbrown> rust_collector: so since you do old stuff, can you suggest me about resistor and capacitors that I need ? Do you think it's a good idea to buy a kit with plenty ? (currently I need 2 1000uf 25V caps, and a 1/4 or 1/2 watt resistance)
05:21 <hsn> T3sl4, thats exactly what the technician did last week to me .. he was sick with flu .. :)
06:34 <hsn> rust_collector, how did the fat guy flip ?
06:45 <rust_collector> I think most of my resistors are shitty random ones from ebay, caps are in general out of things. But mouser has most of what I need, if I need it
07:05 <rust_collector> hsn, he just ignored gravity, and did it
07:07 <rust_collector> ?
07:29 <hsn> u right
07:44 <rust_collector> ignorance is powerful
08:04 <jackbrown> hsn: I don't understand, does this book has even resistor or it's just capacitors? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33052890464.html?
08:19 <hsn> jackbrown, just caps
08:23 <Nothing\> right on, i just found a copy of wolfram mathematica on the HDD i took out of my old computer
08:28 <jackbrown> hsn: ok
08:31 <Nothing\> the installer, i mean
08:42 <Nothing\> damn thing's 10gb :o
08:45 <hsn> jackbrown, there are other books for leds .. resistors
09:17 <Nothing\> i also found out that Windows 10 has a graphing calculator actually built into it
09:25 <Nothing\> how do ya like that?
09:29 <jackbrown> hsn: yes but if I buy all of them I will end up with a lot of stuff that probably I don't need
09:49 <rust_collector> right. so buy the things you need?
09:59 <hsn> https://ansan888.aliexpress.com/store/group/SMD-Resistor-Book/605870_251198913.html
10:32 <hsn> jackbrown, i think i bought 200$ of stuff that i dont need last few days
11:08 <jackbrown> hsn: lol, me too from aliexpress, may I ask you what did you buy if it's electronic related stuff ?
11:50 <hsn> jackbrown, https://snipboard.io/iycSU0.jpg
12:13 <rust_collector> massage health therapy "wand" full size cardboard figure of hitler, fm radio kit
14:34 <hsn> jackbrown, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fo-VQ-M3_IXsvKtgyNmHT2ZaUxPBxC6iXt0asCUQdhw/edit?usp=sharing
15:06 <jackbrown> hsn: yeah I see, do you run a lab?
15:39 <hsn> jackbrown, not really .. just jelly bean components "that i might need" .. i got no good local store here
15:45 <hsn> so i order from digikey .
15:56 <jackbrown> hsn: same here
16:08 <hsn> i share with friends if they neeed
16:13 <rust_collector> jackbrown, where are you located?
16:17 <jackbrown> hsn: would be great having a local store where you can buy just few pieces that you need time by time
17:31 <hsn> got few stores that sell me with 20x the price ... no ESD .. no knowledge .. no good components
17:33 <rust_collector> I found a model train store in town, that actually has some basic electronics stuff, which is nice. I can go and buy a single 1k resistor, if I want
18:20 <hsn> so a 1/4w ressitor will be 0.65$ or somthing ..
18:31 <hsn> weather u buy one of 10 xD !!
18:40 <hsn> or 20!
18:58 <jackbrown> hsn: I'm trying to repair his universal 20-30yrs old psu, I know it's silly but there are just few pieces inside to replace 4 diode 4 resistance and 2 capacitors https://www.ebay.it/itm/Alimentatore-multitensione-regolabile-1000mah-trasformatore-connettori-universal/223368405160?
19:03 <jackbrown> this
19:16 <hsn> want IC ? he will get it to u .. old thing .. might even find rusted orange pins .. he handles them all same way ..
19:26 <jackbrown> I was using it and suddendly I saw and smelled the magic smoke
20:22 <hsn> hmmm
21:01 <jackbrown> jackbrown: anyway it's output ware really never accurate, so think that the resistor burnt of course but the caps need to be replaced too
21:07 <hsn> i wish im like u .. i should put my hand in opening and repairing stuff .. great knowledge comes from that
21:47 <hsn> jackbrown, maybe the output always never accurate
21:50 <jackbrown> hsn: yes even because I'm hobbist and really dunno a lot about electronics so I'm trying to repair as much as I can, the problem is getting the replacement parts
22:23 <hsn> for me i think the problem is im always bored .. from anything i touch physically
22:27 <jackbrown> hsn: It was too silly, I think that the inside component are too old and need to be replaced, the board is simple as hell and has just few components
23:12 <jackbrown> hsn: it was so inaccurate that I set 4.5Volt and the output was 7 or something like that I think it was time to die for a 25-30 yrs old board
23:36 <rust_collector> nah, make it suffer a decade or two more
24:09 <jackbrown> rust_collector: bigger resistor is burnt, doesn't work anymore
24:11 <rust_collector> imo, fixing things in general is a good thing
24:49 <jackbrown> why 10000uf capacitors are so "expensive" ?
25:20 <jackbrown> rust_collector: It has even the polarity inversion that can be useful for some devices
25:31 <rust_collector> oh, ok
26:38 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I'm trying to fix it to learn and because it's useful, these kind of PSU were really popular in the 80s
27:06 <rust_collector> yep
27:18 <rust_collector> well, that is good. I hope you have fun also
27:31 <jackbrown> rust_collector: how do you call it ? Transformer ? PSU ? https://www.tradeshopitalia.com/36812-superlarge_default/trasformatore-alimentatore-universale-1000ma-da-15v-a-12v-1000ma-ac-dc.jpg
28:10 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes sure, when I'll get the caps that I need and the resistance, hopefully that the diodes of the rectifier don't need to be replaced
28:20 <jackbrown> rust_collector: what's your experience about old diodes ?
29:01 <rust_collector> I think I would call it a power supply. hmm, diodes... well, I guess I have been lucky, most of the time.
29:54 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I'm planning to replace the burnt resistor of course and the 2 1000uf 25V caps
30:11 <rust_collector> I have a similar-ish device, and that is called a battery eliminator
31:21 <rust_collector> remember that if you find caps with a higher voltage rating, you can use those, if the capacitance is the same, or close enough
31:24 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes is exactly what I use it for, I connect it to some devices that normally run on batteries to make them rum
31:46 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes I know, thanks
32:16 <jackbrown> rust_collector: honestly the parts of this psu are so few that once replaced all it should last other 20yrs
32:27 <rust_collector> yep
32:53 <rust_collector> so, what does it have inside? do you have any pics?
33:23 <rust_collector> if it is 30 or so years old, it has to have a 723 ic in there, I guess
33:35 <jackbrown> rust_collector: i saw that there are two copper coil and the output has 7 copper pin, this turns the 220AC into lower AC voltage before the rectifier tun it into DC
33:52 <jackbrown> rust_collector: wait i'll take some pics, maybe you can explain me better how it works
34:11 <rust_collector> oh, so it is just a transformer, with many different taps?
34:18 <rust_collector> into a rectifier?
43:25 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes exactly wait pictures are coming
43:54 <jackbrown> rust_collector: pcb seems draw by hand lol
45:00 <rust_collector> that is possible
45:08 <jackbrown> rust_collector: https://ibb.co/Ry2Mnnp
45:09 <jackbrown> https://ibb.co/cTs2ywS
45:09 <jackbrown> https://ibb.co/7WRRY2T
45:09 <jackbrown> https://ibb.co/KDmkJsY
46:10 <jackbrown> rust_collector: can you explain the transformer part that has 8 output ?
47:19 <T3sl4> whoa
47:21 <rust_collector> eeh, i think it just have several windings, so you get different voltages
47:28 <T3sl4> playing ftl, my defense drone just got shot
47:30 <jackbrown> rust_collector: those two resistor ar 1Watt and 1/2 watt
47:46 <rust_collector> that is super simple.... neat
47:50 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ok so is a multile 220 to transformer
47:54 <T3sl4> which is rare, but it happens, but the explosion where it used to be still fired a shot at the incoming missile
47:56 <jackbrown> rust_collector: really simple
48:05 <T3sl4> i guess it doesn't deactivate until the animation clears
48:41 <jackbrown> rust_collector: do you think I can use bigger resistor to make it safer ?
48:47 <rust_collector> eeh, I would probably put a 1w resistor in there, just to make it bulletbroof, for the next few decades
48:57 <rust_collector> or 2, or 5
48:59 <rust_collector> or...
49:07 <rust_collector> whatever you can fit in there
49:15 <jackbrown> rust_collector: it already has 1Watt resistor is the one burnt
49:22 <rust_collector> ok,
49:27 <rust_collector> do more then
49:48 <jackbrown> rust_collector: the smallest is 1/2 watt ( i used caliper to measure both the bigger is 11mm lenght the smaller it's 8,5mm )
50:37 <rust_collector> as you need one of each, just order the beefiest part you can fit in there, imo
51:07 <jackbrown> rust_collector: that's a good idea and even the caps I can use 35v instead of 25v
51:23 <rust_collector> sure, or 50, or 63, or...
51:31 <rust_collector> whatever you can find.
51:37 <jackbrown> rust_collector: 50 isn't too big ?
51:42 <rust_collector> no
51:52 <rust_collector> it will be fine
52:16 <jackbrown> rust_collector: on the label says max output 1000mA, if I oversize will it modify the max amperage output too ?
52:27 <rust_collector> you can probably up the capacitance a bit too, if you find a bigger one.
52:33 <rust_collector> well, probably not
52:43 <jackbrown> rust_collector: why?
52:54 <rust_collector> because you still have the same transformer
53:03 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ok
53:13 <rust_collector> and the diodes might not like more than x amps?
53:44 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I should replace the diodes too
53:53 <rust_collector> well, it could improve things, but it would just make it more reliable at the same rating.
54:07 <rust_collector> oh, I dunno? is there anything wrong with them?
54:23 <jackbrown> rust_collector: what's the thing with the amps ? I thought that the transformer "just" transform the 220V into 1,5V or 3V or 5V AC ?
54:34 <rust_collector> yes
54:47 <rust_collector> it does
55:00 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I thought that the Amperage depends on what you attach to the transformer
55:23 <jackbrown> rust_collector: what limit the amperage into this transformer PSU ? the copper coil ?
56:17 <rust_collector> well, it is a small transformer, with many windings. so sort of yes, copper coil
56:34 <rust_collector> that is probably over simplified to say, but
58:28 <rust_collector> being sealed in a tiny box does not help much, I guess. but in general, it is just a very small device. you can not expect too much from it
58:35 <jackbrown> rust_collector: is this resistor 101 Ohm ? the burnt one
58:51 <rust_collector> good question
59:21 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I don't want to push it at all, even for safety, I just need it to "avoid batteries" on some devices so it's more than enough for what it serves
59:44 <rust_collector> sure.
00:21 <jackbrown> probably 200 Ohm '
00:34 <jackbrown> I see red black black brown
03:16 <jackbrown> it should be 20Ohm then
03:26 <rust_collector> yep
03:37 <rust_collector> what is it if you read it backwards?
04:13 <rust_collector> oh, ok
04:38 <rust_collector> do you get any reading from it at all?
06:13 <jackbrown> rust_collector: didn't test with the multimeter but since I saw and smelled a quite disgusting "magic smoke" I think that is pretty dead
07:18 <rust_collector> they can look horrible, and still work. you are probably right, but
08:26 <jackbrown> rust_collector: about what I reading/understanding I'm pretty sure that the capacitors are gone, I think that is due to the capacitor that the output was really bad (for example 4,5 with the multimeter was 7 etc.) and that was caused probably the death of the resistor
09:06 <rust_collector> well, there is no regulation on that thing, so until you put a load on it, it will not drop to the set voltage
10:13 <jackbrown> rust_collector: sorry I got lost, probably even language barrier
10:41 <jackbrown> rust_collector: what do you mean? It has a selector if I set it to 9V I'd expect that the output would be around 9 and not 12 or 13
10:59 <rust_collector> I have some shitty "12v" transformers here, that give me 16-17 volts, until I load it with... a load
11:51 <rust_collector> it is just a transformer and rectifier, so... I mean, there is no voltage regulator in there
12:15 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I got, you means this is how it is suppose to work
12:56 <jackbrown> rust_collector: it's built to get the set voltage just when it's on load,
13:02 <rust_collector> yes
14:30 <rust_collector> also, do you really have 220v there, or has the voltage increased to 230 there also? or 235, or... that will make a difference...
15:25 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yep more the input more the output
15:39 <rust_collector> right
16:33 <hsn> Gn
17:26 <jackbrown> rust_collector: never used my multimeter to check my home AC socket, I'm a bit scared, do you think that I could try without destroying it ? https://www.amazon.it/Mastech-MS8229-Multimetro-Digitale-Auto-Range/dp/B000JKMTDM
17:26 <rust_collector> night hsns mistress!
18:22 <rust_collector> it would probably be fine, as long as you have it set to measure ac voltage, but I am not going to tell you to do that
18:25 <hsn> jackbrown: its CAT II rated ... ?
18:41 <jackbrown> hsn: actually I have 3 cats
19:18 <rust_collector> hsn, that thing does not have a cat rating
20:03 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I will stick using it on low voltage then
20:32 <rust_collector> good idea.
20:38 <hsn> rust_collector: i saw the cat sticker on amazon link
20:44 <rust_collector> so?
20:51 <hsn> No cat?
20:53 <jackbrown> rust_collector: Safety Rating : CATIII 600V
20:53 <hsn> XD
20:59 <rust_collector> nyan cat rating
21:04 <jackbrown> http://www.mastech-group.com/products.php?cate=125&PNo=163#_
21:36 <rust_collector> it could have, but "I" would not trust that sticker
21:43 <hsn> Ok
21:55 <hsn> Maybe u can put it across 3 cats
22:01 <hsn> And it wont blow
22:15 <jackbrown> hsn: I doubt about that
22:19 <rust_collector> but otoh, I would measure mains with a cat with 2 nails in it
22:28 <hsn> So rusty
22:42 <rust_collector> yes, good night, hsn
22:57 <hsn> My wife telling me its my birthday .. but no cakes .. what i do?
23:15 <jackbrown> rust_collector: hsn anyway CAT III 600V it means that it should be safe even measuring 600V lines ?
23:19 <rust_collector> wifes bornday, or yours?
23:20 <hsn> She wants me to buy stand mixer
23:30 <hsn> Mine
23:31 <rust_collector> do it!
23:54 <hsn> Ill .. what a swmbo .. strong one
24:13 <hsn> jackbrown: im not sure but i think not ..
24:45 <rust_collector> jackbrown, page 2: https://content.fluke.com/promotions/promo-dmm/0518-dmm-campaign/dmm/fluke_dmm-chfr/files/safetyguidelines.pdf
24:48 <jackbrown> this is a tear down of an almost same model, what do you think ? https://youtu.be/v8RV3bs1MgQ?t=850
25:21 <rust_collector> having a mixer means more cake than no mixer means
28:02 <rust_collector> jackbrown, I think it is a dmm. it is probably fine.
28:31 <jackbrown> rust_collector: fine to test the main line of my house ? (230-240v)
28:38 <rust_collector> hsn, do you have baklava there?
29:02 <rust_collector> jackbrown, it is up to you. I would do that, but as I said, I will not say you should
29:46 <rust_collector> meh, hold both probes in one hand, or plug them in then power up the outlet, or somehting like that
30:09 <hsn> rust_collector: we dnt make .. rarly buy .. got other sweets
30:12 <jackbrown> rust_collector: are you watching the teardown video on yotube? seems that the guy found a big flaw since the dmm has no imput protection at all, so he is suggesting to use it for the main just in case of need, but not everyday
30:29 <hsn> Anyway gn .. cya
30:36 <Ysjoelfir> hsn:
30:40 <Ysjoelfir> gn8
30:42 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector:
30:44 <Ysjoelfir> hi
30:47 <rust_collector> HEY!
31:00 <rust_collector> about time you dropped in, Dr S.
31:02 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: what?
31:09 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: yes
31:51 <rust_collector> jackbrown, many people survived the old days, when they had no protection at all.
32:28 <jackbrown> rust_collector: lol you are right, have you ever used one of those cheap 15-20$ Dmm to check main ? did it survived?
32:42 <rust_collector> yeah, it works fine
33:06 <rust_collector> hsn, ?
33:19 <rust_collector> BZZZZZ!
34:00 <rust_collector> so, how are things in germanistan, Dr S.?
34:46 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: its fine here, thanks
34:56 <rust_collector> any time dr
34:58 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: today my third screen arrived
35:03 <rust_collector> oh no
35:23 <Ysjoelfir> yes. (I stop that with the name now, its annoying me probably more than its you :P)
35:34 <rust_collector> hsn is still waiting for all the leftover crap nordic "sold" to them
35:40 <Ysjoelfir> XD
35:46 <jackbrown> time to leave thanks for help
35:50 <jackbrown> cy@
35:55 Quit: jackbrown ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
35:58 <Ysjoelfir> my shares went down 1.92% today :( you have to buy more
36:15 <rust_collector> you should have sold while they were up!
36:20 <Ysjoelfir> lol
36:36 <rust_collector> you would have made... 2 euros
36:37 <Ysjoelfir> nah, I speculate that they will rise even more in the future
36:46 <Ysjoelfir> actually I would have lost... 24€
37:00 <Ysjoelfir> because buying costs 15€ in fees, as well as selling
37:07 <rust_collector> hah!
38:15 <rust_collector> I could drop by, and ask what exactly your shares is equal to. maybe you own a big pile of copy paper, and an old laptop
38:27 <Ysjoelfir> probably :P
38:42 <rust_collector> if so, they should put your name on them
39:56 <Ysjoelfir> yay! I start printing little stickers with my name
40:01 <rust_collector> yep
40:05 <rust_collector> go go go
41:15 <rust_collector> heh. now I remember that little dymo punch thing, where you turned a wheel to the letter you wanted, and squeezed the handle. next letter... next...
42:02 * Ysjoelfir has that exact thing on his desk right now
42:09 <rust_collector> And I really think the wife should make baklava. "we have other sweets" what kind of answer is that?
42:25 <rust_collector> mine is blue
43:23 <Ysjoelfir> The device is chrome, my band is red
43:35 <rust_collector> I should have a look behind the confuser, and see if I even can connect more screens
43:55 <Ysjoelfir> sadly its some cheap remade band. doesn't stick that good.
44:03 <Ysjoelfir> 3 screens is very usefull
44:21 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/nUlrDi.jpg see
44:33 <rust_collector> i could probably use 2, but I really do not have space here for more than one
46:39 <rust_collector> I do have to move things around again. maybe I can also extend my desk(again)
47:42 <Ysjoelfir> :P
47:49 <Ysjoelfir> get into woodworking and build a new desk
48:09 <rust_collector> I was out in the garage today, and noticed the confuser out there is still up
48:35 <Ysjoelfir> speaking of woodworking... my stones arrived. :)
48:53 <rust_collector> Well, yes, my knockoff okea desk is a bit embarrasing
49:33 <rust_collector> time to get stoned!
49:35 <hsn> I heared my name
49:41 <rust_collector> TAM TAM TAM!
49:49 <hsn> ZzzZzzz
50:03 <rust_collector> good for you, hsn, it was probably your wife
50:27 <hsn> Tmrw is sunday
50:38 <rust_collector> yeh
50:38 <hsn> Sun = noo good here
50:47 <rust_collector> no good here either
50:53 <rust_collector> complete waste of time
51:06 <hsn> No weekend?
51:22 <rust_collector> ban the sun! what a waste of energy, lol
51:26 <rust_collector> weekend?
51:50 <rust_collector> sunday is the end f the week here. but I am on vacation
51:57 <hsn> Ur weekend is .. monday?
52:12 <hsn> Week start day is what
52:21 <rust_collector> weeks starts on monday, like most sane places
53:40 <rust_collector> anyway, it looks like they could not solder up enough boards and modules for you, so they are sending random things, and a lot of copy paper, and an older laptop.
53:45 <hsn> Nothing more sane than friday off
54:28 <hsn> Nice .. how does it get here by sea?
54:30 <rust_collector> well, the rest of the week off is not bad...
54:53 <rust_collector> how it gets there by sea?
55:15 <rust_collector> i do not know. I assume they fold it up neatly, and stuffs it into bottles?
55:21 <hsn> Connected to the ocean
56:03 <rust_collector> sea of despair
56:43 <hsn> Cool .. 666 kit?
57:20 <rust_collector> it coudl be just 66 they are not sure abou tthe value if the stuffs yet
57:37 <hsn> I once saw .. the technician phone ..
57:45 <rust_collector> whoa!
57:48 <hsn> On youtube history search
58:02 <hsn> "bido six"
58:17 <hsn> I know he wanted "video sex"
58:49 <rust_collector> what else woudl one do at "work"
59:20 <hsn> Mybe not at work .. its his personall mobile
59:58 <hsn> Still not sure if i should make joke or not about it xD
00:55 <rust_collector> maybe "someone" will hack your phone or confuser, and just add a bunch of werid searches to the history file
02:54 <rust_collector> hsn, didn't you go to bed?
11:42 <hsn> I did
11:52 <rust_collector> butt?
12:13 <hsn> I went to sleep but sleep went to someone else
13:10 <hsn> So i just took warm 🚿
13:38 <hsn> Does that symbol get sent over irc?
13:40 <rust_collector> warm 01F 6BF ?
13:53 <rust_collector> not very well
15:04 <hsn> Shower
15:14 <rust_collector> nice
15:56 <rust_collector> I am searching for a displayport splitter thing, but it seems like no one has them any more
16:01 <hsn> Yeah showers on winter .. are hard to leave
16:22 <hsn> Hdmi multiplexer?
16:28 <rust_collector> I always have loooong showers.
16:32 <rust_collector> not hdmi
18:15 <hsn> I see
19:23 <rust_collector> maybe this thing has 2 ports. i would have to get back there and have a look. I could also unplug the other mouse while I was there
16:17 <rust_collector> night!
31:03 <Ysjoelfir> night rusty
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30:59 <SERGIO> DOES IT WORK?
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39:08 <SERGIO> HI
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11:25 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, gm
11:28 <hsn> all, gm
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31:02 * T3sl4 coffees
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37:59 <steve30> hi T3sl4
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37:59 <steve30> meow
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16:07 <Halcyon> Mew
28:35 <T3sl4> Stupid Halcyon
28:41 <Halcyon> :P
29:12 <T3sl4> how are you
55:03 <hsn> im good and u ?
58:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I know 2020 has been shit, and you want it over with, but that doesn't give you the excuse to advertise and talk about xmas in October. Just stop it, ok.
01:28 * T3sl4 hugs hsn
01:39 <hsn> \o/
10:20 <hsn> some open source program i've is falsly saying "u have backup files .. and repeats lots of files .. that shouldnt be in backup mode" everytime i open it
10:50 <hsn> i end up wanting to know where the heck it saves that i got backup files !! https://api.kde.org/frameworks/kcoreaddons/html/kautosavefile_8cpp_source.html
12:50 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/iEFO3T.jpg
13:18 <hsn> https://github.com/qelectrotech/qelectrotech-source-mirror/blob/2a69e540d6fe4545ca13117bdbf96825193a68e1/sources/qetproject.h
13:35 <hsn> what the hell .. KAutoSaveFile << is this KDE = linux .. ?
13:41 * T3sl4 shrug
14:08 <hsn> u shouldnt shrug a KDE
37:01 <hsn> T3sl4, i found the bitch !!
37:06 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/6otkgf.jpg
37:09 <hsn> :D
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55:56 <steve30> hi
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48:34 <NeroTHz> moini
51:36 <T3sl4> 'lo
58:35 <steve30> o/
21:49 <rust_collector> you do not have to run loonix to have kde, hsn
22:36 <hsn> i dont actually know what was that library .. kautosave
23:09 <hsn> is KDE .. hmm .. some sort of cross platform framework ? i always thought its some sort of gui for linux
23:32 <hsn> whatever it is .. screw it :D
23:37 <rust_collector> you can port it to whatever you want
23:45 <NeroTHz> can you run it in windows?
24:07 <NeroTHz> I remember you have full window-manager-overhauls for older windows but I´ve not run into them for W10
26:52 <hsn> Nero can u borrow me few GHz from ur mind ?
27:09 <hsn> i borrow and never give back ..
27:13 <Ysjoelfir> I am blinking. what have I done that someone named me?
27:23 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, gm
27:30 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: Ysjoelfir Ysjoelfir Ysjoelfir
27:42 <Ysjoelfir> woah! Hi! Nice to meet you!
27:43 <T3sl4> hsn: you'll blow yourself up overclocking like that
30:04 <hsn> T3sl4, i can swet .. and not have a short circuit ..
30:24 <hsn> im built to handle hot summer ..
31:21 <NeroTHz> hsn, what do you need them for?
31:28 <rust_collector> you have some kind of coating?
32:03 <hsn> NeroTHz, to run the brain .. i heard i only use 1% or somthing
32:43 <hsn> rust_collector, no coatings its bare metal swet
33:56 * steve30 hugs Ysjoelfir 
34:55 <T3sl4> (hsn: "sweating" is soldering copper pipes)
35:03 <T3sl4> it's not really bare if it's tinned, is it?
35:19 <hsn> T3sl4, thats why i need few GHz ..
35:30 <NeroTHz> hmm maybe I should just give up on the whole NAS idea, just get myself a few 3.5¨ 4 TB drives and switch to having all storage in my desktop again
35:31 <hsn> to stop making mistakes that u correct for me :P
36:45 <rust_collector> hsn, T3sl4 runs on a very very slow processor, but he uses an os that is not full of crapware
38:11 <hsn> rust_collector, T3sl4 have the perfect timing between his cpu/volatile and non volatile memories ...
38:35 * T3sl4 virtualizes hsn
38:42 <hsn> no wasted cycles
38:55 * hsn crashes
39:02 <rust_collector> right, so stop wasting cycles
39:08 <hsn> ok i go work
39:18 <rust_collector> I doubt that, lol
49:12 <NeroTHz> anyone here know if a Dell SAS raid card will work in any computer?
49:23 <NeroTHz> specifically this one e2k-ucp-61-(b)
53:46 <NeroTHz> hmm. I need to replace 6TB of storage (physical, 4TB after raid-6 overhead)
57:30 * Ysjoelfir hugs steve30
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