// #eevblog — 2020-10-27
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01:19:20 <rust_collector> hsn, dutch is like german with downs. it is sort of the same, but not quite. (I think dutch is simpler for us foreigners to learn, except that no one needs that)
01:23:55 <Ysjoelfir> Hi rusty
01:24:03 <rust_collector> HEY!!!!
01:24:44 <Ysjoelfir> my comparison of danish being like norwegian spoken with a wet sponge in the mouth was good? :P
01:25:46 <rust_collector> well, sure, except that it is almost opposite. norwegian is danish without the sponge. The end result is the same
01:26:07 <Ysjoelfir> well, yes :P
01:27:04 <rust_collector> but I do think that we are closer to swedish when we speak, but danish when we write
01:28:30 <rust_collector> urrrgh. first day after my vacation...
01:29:02 <Ysjoelfir> I'm tired as fuck
01:29:07 <Ysjoelfir> I want to go to bed
01:29:23 <rust_collector> me too, but I just managed to flop out of bed
01:29:36 <Ysjoelfir> I am awake since... ~5
01:29:42 <Ysjoelfir> and finally fall asleep at ~3
01:29:49 <rust_collector> oh, I was still up
01:29:56 <rust_collector> you could have said hi
01:30:08 <Ysjoelfir> nah, was not at the PC
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01:31:22 <rust_collector> I was here around 6 this morning, exchanging pics with hsn
01:36:41 <rust_collector> I hope not being on vacation will fix me. I just can not sleep properly. and when I want to do something, I just don't.
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01:39:31 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds meh
01:40:02 <rust_collector> yep. it was 2 weeks well wasted. it feels like I had the longest sunday ever
01:44:30 <rust_collector> hmm, I guess I should assemble the toyota, so I have something to drive to work...
01:47:00 <hsn> rust_collector: guten morgen
01:47:44 <rust_collector> Goedemorgen hsn
01:47:59 <rust_collector> Mijn kont jeukt
01:48:43 <rust_collector> hoe gaat het vandaag?
01:50:25 <rust_collector> uhm.
01:50:37 <rust_collector> let me have a thinkings...
01:50:52 <rust_collector> sind sie zu hause?
01:51:46 <rust_collector> Ich bin ein berlinerbolle
01:52:59 <rust_collector> *toc toc toc* is this thing on?
01:53:53 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingMoms/comments/jhvidr/mommy_cat_is_multitasking_shes_watching_her/
01:56:55 <Ysjoelfir> yep, it is :D ant T3, thats cute^^^^
01:57:09 <Ysjoelfir> also, I'm leaving now. cu maybe later
01:57:25 <rust_collector> nah. have a good evenightning
01:57:51 <rust_collector> hsn,!!!?
01:58:04 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/e31g9mankcv51.jpg
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02:11:01 <electrohead> o/
02:11:18 <rust_collector> tjo-bing!
02:18:52 <electrohead> car goes to the shop next monday
02:19:02 <electrohead> whole engine needs to be pulled >.<
02:19:27 <rust_collector> ok, whyyyyyy?
02:19:44 <electrohead> because the head gaskets need to be changed
02:20:21 <rust_collector> hehe. well... it had to happen... take a good lock at the clutch while it is out
02:20:28 <rust_collector> look
02:20:38 <electrohead> they will be looking at everything for me :D
02:20:57 <rust_collector> do you know these people?
02:21:27 <electrohead> and since the engine will be pulled, they will be changing all gaskets leading up to what it's going in for originally, plus the waterpump and a few others
02:21:35 <electrohead> the place in question, has good reputation
02:21:40 <rust_collector> ok
02:21:40 <electrohead> they work on nothing but subaru
02:21:55 <rust_collector> poor bastards
02:22:00 <electrohead> lol
02:26:22 <rust_collector> Well, I just mean that even if the clutch is still ok for a while, it could be worth looking at, as this is the cheapest time to install a new one, as 98% of the work is already done
02:26:35 <rust_collector> anyway
02:27:09 <rust_collector> at least you do not have the leaky valve covers, right?
02:33:10 <rust_collector> ok, I have to go put the car back together, so I can go to work
02:37:00 <K> isn't work overrated?
02:51:35 <steve30> hello
02:54:50 <rust_collector> it is, but it seems like I do not function properly without it
02:56:15 <K> hmm, that doesnt sound right
02:56:27 <rust_collector> I know.
02:56:29 <K> have you told about this to your docter?
02:56:32 <rust_collector> it is not perfect
02:56:35 <rust_collector> no
02:56:46 <rust_collector> I do not doctor much
02:56:48 <K> maybe there is some treatment
02:57:03 <rust_collector> yeah. I should get a nice lobotomy
02:57:45 <K> yeah! use that socialist medicine machine for your personal gain!
02:57:52 <K> that'll show them!
03:09:44 <hsn> rust_collector: allen mar bereikt huis
03:11:08 <rust_collector> pff. allen?
03:11:59 <rust_collector> well, that is nice. I am going to make breakfast, and go to work
03:17:35 <rust_collector> which will be interesting. I wonder how upside backwards they managed to make things there, in the 2 weeks I was away
04:11:21 <rust_collector> yep, good night
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04:22:49 <hsn> Its
04:22:55 <hsn> Gutten nacht
04:22:59 <arch> for an opamp supply, is 100mV ripple acceptable?
04:23:22 <arch> cuz im thinking of using a crude, 555 timer charge pump to save pennies
04:24:23 <hsn> Good question .. it depends on the op amp and what it does "i guess"?
04:24:42 <hsn> I slept well
04:26:26 <arch> i think it depends on PSRR too, if i understand correctly
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04:42:54 <Ysjoelfir> re, kind of
04:44:16 * Ysjoelfir is sitting in his chair, feeling like a numb fuck being tired as hell despite having showered and slept for half an hour
04:45:00 * steve30 paws at Ysjoelfir
04:45:19 * Ysjoelfir doesn't notice
04:46:43 <steve30> meow
04:47:46 <Ysjoelfir> huh?
04:49:52 <steve30> Meow.
04:50:48 * Ysjoelfir half-heartedly pets the steve
04:58:20 * electrohead sprays steve30 with water
04:58:22 <electrohead> :P
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05:03:08 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr.- head
05:13:06 * arch poops on Ysjoelfir's front yard
05:13:26 <Ysjoelfir> good thing that I don't have one :P
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05:17:49 <arch> damn, i think i pooped on some poor bastard's lawn. o well, free fertilizer for him
05:19:43 <Ysjoelfir> you probably pooped on my landlordladies driveway than :P
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08:48:25 <AndroUser> Can you help do homework pls? Is very hard
08:49:16 <AndroUser> unicorn for you sir
08:49:44 <AndroUser> is works no?
08:51:59 <AndroUser> I nerd to produce circuit with 555 timer ic and make more than 30 amp batteri charger
08:52:55 <AndroUser> Teacher will beat me with wood stick
08:54:22 <AndroUser> Rust_collector is cute. And very handsome
08:57:27 <AndroUser> That just has to be said
08:58:57 <AndroUser> Ysjoelfir is best viking please sir
09:01:42 <AndroUser> Gawd irc on the phone is sucks
09:04:53 <AndroUser> Ok, all cute mans I go to school and get hit with stick, is ok, i like it not very much
09:05:12 <Ampera> As a proud American I can show you some self defense techniques
09:05:18 <Ampera> not legally liable, of course
09:05:36 <AndroUser> Thanks you mr sir
09:06:31 <AndroUser> Ok, what is an ok irc thingie for Android? This is just annoying
09:06:33 <Ampera> that's dr mr sir to you
09:06:43 <Ampera> There is no ok irc thingie for android
09:06:49 <Ampera> revolution IRC is one of the less shitty ones
09:06:54 <AndroUser> Purrfect
09:07:00 <Ampera> I use weechat-android, but you need a desktop running weechat for that
09:07:09 <AndroUser> Ah yes
09:08:20 <AndroUser> Ok i will look at this crap when i get home i guess
09:11:28 <AndroUser> I think i used to use termux, and ran irssi in that, but....
09:14:21 <AndroUser> Meh have fun peoples. Enough phone for me in one day
09:15:01 <AndroUser> Evening dr mr sir
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09:30:21 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I thought this tweet from @tactiZity_ said "Dave Jones is on crack", until I translated it. Or maybe the translation is wrong? Wouldn't be the first time I've heard that... https://t.co/MWLjfpCzAv
09:35:42 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Freedom of the Press: A recording industry group got Github to suspend one of its most popular repositories: a tool called youtube-dl. Here are some of the many ways journalists use the software for reporting. https://t.co/QEgLVuahGc
10:05:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: A very interesting covid graph I haven't seen before: https://t.co/Z9PhFFZ4lE Deaths per million versus GDP decline during the first half of the year. https://t.co/90TzMjOHH6
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10:15:40 * T3sl4 poops on arch's head
10:28:59 <arch> my hair!
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12:15:19 <rust_collector> mornings
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13:03:36 <rust_collector> I wonder if there is a good use for messed up frying pans... It seems like I am collecting them
13:20:44 <Ampera> some messed up frying presumably
13:20:58 <rust_collector> that....
13:21:06 <rust_collector> yea, that could work
13:35:20 <coppice> this is the problem with making traditional uses, like spanking, unacceptable
13:36:51 <rust_collector> I could cut most of the rim off it, so it would be more like a metal paddle... that could work well as a spankinator
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13:45:45 <coppice> that would be crafting a weapon. Its more innocent to repurpose a household utensil
13:46:38 <rust_collector> Now I almost want to be known as the guy who made frying pans illegal, lol
13:47:25 <coppice> The second amendment: The right to bare arses
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13:50:50 <rust_collector> Or I could clamp it to that overheating amd thing, and see if it would work ok as a cooler
14:02:17 <arch> you could do some amateur smelting
14:03:23 <rust_collector> now, it is an amd, but I do not think it gets THAT hot
14:07:05 <coppice> you need an Intel P4 to really get a frying pan up to temperature
14:07:49 <rust_collector> I am not so sure. I was not very impressed by my old p4 foot warmer, when I had that in the garaqe
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16:48:47 <steve30> hi
17:04:29 <Ampera> coppice, nonsense, you need Pentium D if you want to cook anything more than an egg
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18:41:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The weird stuff you find in a cleanup. I have no memory of what this is. https://t.co/G6A21pJZho
20:14:54 <Ysjoelfir> thats a neat kind of jumper down there in the comments. I think I'll adapt that
20:17:01 <hsn> first
20:17:05 <hsn> ince
20:17:20 <hsn> gutten morgen , guten abden ?
20:17:24 <hsn> Ysjoelfir,
20:17:26 <hsn> ^
20:17:29 <hsn> second ..
20:18:27 <Ysjoelfir> Guten Morgen, Hsn :)
20:18:50 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, do u have an idea of what i should provide the pcba as flying test report ? like what format or information ? https://snipboard.io/bylCXQ.jpg << i extracted this from altium after i marked some pads as test point
20:19:14 <hsn> schvut means bye ?
20:19:57 <Ysjoelfir> No, I don't know that word :D Tschüss means bye, or Auf Wiedersehen, if you want to be formal. Many people just say ciao nowadays though
20:20:07 <Ysjoelfir> (but written tschau in german)
20:21:03 <Ysjoelfir> I haven't added any test report to my PCBs yet, the manufacturers always created their own. or you mean for assembled PCBs?
20:21:28 <hsn> i need to re watch the "lexion ince" i remember nothing except "gutten morgen" because it sound like "putten (russia) morgan"
20:21:46 <hsn> yes tschuss i ment
20:22:13 <hsn> for assembled
20:22:14 <Ysjoelfir> You should try the Duolingo app, that one is great for learning languages. I use it for norwegian
20:22:30 <hsn> the "language exchange" ?
20:22:45 <hsn> so i find some germinstan guy who wants to learn arabic or somthing ?
20:23:25 <hsn> yes .. for assembled .. flying probe thingy
20:23:47 <hsn> idk other test methods.. i guess this flying probe is cheap ... i hope
20:24:55 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, look at question : i know (TDR / trace impedance is no .. but im dumb enough to ask) :: https://snipboard.io/ah7jFG.jpg
20:25:43 <hsn> and then their reply: "We will do flying testing for every board but we can not be able to measure trace impedance with flying probe. "
20:25:54 <hsn> ok but idk what to provide you ..
20:26:05 <hsn> Would you like us to testing boards after assembly ? if yes ,pls provide us testing methods and testing fee is 12usd per hour .
20:27:32 <Ysjoelfir> No, its just an app where you basically learn sentences and phrases and it gets more.. elaborate over time. its very nice, you should take a look at it :)
20:27:51 <hsn> i'll download it then
20:28:06 <Ysjoelfir> I can tell you what we use as testing instructions for our devices if you want?
20:31:11 <hsn> yeah sure .. i would love to see it for future reference ..
20:31:26 <hsn> i dont have test points in my board here .. too compact
20:34:49 <Ysjoelfir> I can't show you the file, because of copyright and stuff obviously. But we tell them... basically... "Check the impedance between this and that testpoint (or pins)". Also, our manufacturer also does power on tests, so we tell him "power this with X volts and measure the voltage between points X and Y"
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20:37:11 <hsn> ok .. so i do that manually here ..
20:37:38 <hsn> i gave them net list with testing pads .. now i 'll make manual table of "test point to point" ... open / short circuit report
20:37:41 <hsn> or somthing
20:38:52 <Ysjoelfir> yes, we do that report manually as well.
20:48:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: xjet: These are the sort of idiots we're dealing with at @CivilAviationNZ https://t.co/35DQ6JleAj
20:51:20 <hsn> https://www.altium.com/documentation/altium-designer/adding-testpoints-to-the-board-ad
20:51:31 <hsn> i was looking they got : Testpoint-related Query Fields
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21:05:21 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, so somthing like this: https://snipboard.io/gA4Zz8.jpg .... https://snipboard.io/NicTx3.jpg
21:05:24 <hsn> what u think
21:05:25 <hsn> ?
21:07:12 <Ysjoelfir> one moment please
21:11:35 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats simmilar to what we do. We just specify it in one big table instead of two (I find two more convenient tbh, but you know, company policies...)
21:15:08 <hsn> ok i see
21:15:10 <hsn> good
21:15:42 <hsn> their flying probe has what .. capacitance , resistance , inductance ?
21:16:21 <hsn> would be good and accurate like would it give me .. oh this component was (10.5nf instead of 10nf) ?
21:18:38 <Ysjoelfir> That depends on the manufacturer. You should be able to request that, though they might not give you precise answers
21:19:43 <Ysjoelfir> As I said, I only did that for my employer until now, and those PCBs are manufactured and assembled in germanistan, so.... communication in that regard is a bit easier for me :D
21:20:04 <Ysjoelfir> like.... taking the phone, calling them and asking.
21:22:03 <hsn> i see
21:22:24 <hsn> cool .. im just exploring stuff .. as u know .. it gives me idea what is there out in the world
21:22:47 <Ysjoelfir> yes, absolutely :) And its very interesting to do imho, so don't stop :)
21:23:34 <Ysjoelfir> also, did you have any other questions with your ring thingy? As I am in home office this week (except tomorrow) I could do stuff with altium while being at work
21:23:46 <hsn> also since they asked .. i thought maybe they not sure if short circuit will happen .. and just pass the quality .. and then ship 10 pcs short circuited .. 10 pcs working .. so it will be my loss
21:25:02 <hsn> oh actually this is for the ringy :P .. i will share with u final thing after .. i tried to push them to make me these test points : https://images.app.goo.gl/HhzFWyQCYUyxah9E6
21:25:05 <hsn> they refused xD
21:25:50 <hsn> i mean idk why .. i feel it should be fine ..
21:26:25 <Ysjoelfir> haha :P Castellated holes are a pain. they are made by plating and then grinding away the PCB to "open" it. you run a high risk of "ripping out" the copper from the hole
21:26:30 <hsn> i wanted the hole to be more than (50%) inside the board .. just to hold the pogo pin in position .. !
21:28:02 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, so .. wouldnt it be easier to manufacture this type II ?? : https://images.app.goo.gl/hXvD3s46VFhVndWm8
21:28:22 <hsn> in my mind ,,, it will be easier .. to not rip the copper !
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21:29:17 <Ysjoelfir> I would assume so, but never made castellations myself. T3sl4 maybe?
21:34:16 <hsn> i can make the table 2 .. to be informative enough just from "vlookup" in excel ..
21:34:34 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/3ovp6s.jpg
21:46:44 <Ysjoelfir> you should also give ranges how the results should be. and what has to be done if it fails. like, they test for Resistance on a track. is it good if its <2 Ohms? or is it good if its >100 ohms?
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21:50:13 <punchparty> Hello again, its the spearfishing tracker guy! Anyone here?
21:55:18 <steve30> hello
21:56:23 <punchparty> You don' know how to lay out gps antenna traces by any chance do ya? XD
21:56:48 <steve30> I don't, sorry
21:57:21 <punchparty> Hahahah no worries
21:57:45 <punchparty> man I'm just working on this pcb layout, and its a pain just having to redraw all of these well known circuits from scratch
21:58:09 <punchparty> Like I want to integrate and ESP32, and its so well documented, but I'd way rather just direct copy and paste a proven design
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22:04:48 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. steve30
22:04:59 <Ysjoelfir> hsn https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oqMdtnzjUnxdgSqLbu6wq3iSoqJBzBzs/view?usp=sharing I like this SMD jumper design :D
22:05:51 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, looks like it lonely male .. it needs female partner
22:06:12 <Ysjoelfir> lol
22:06:45 <hsn> also its awesome i saw other one zigzag shape
22:06:47 <hsn> u had
22:06:49 <hsn> i like both
22:13:14 <hsn> where would IGBT used .. instead of mosfet ..
22:13:52 <hsn> oh high voltage
22:15:30 <hsn> im asking because i was watching the difference between "SGP02N120" and "IRFZ44" .. power consumption of the IGBT is hell lottt ..
22:19:08 <electrohead> o/
22:22:08 <hsn> \o
22:23:05 <hsn> electrohead ::: https://snipboard.io/SB92cG.jpg
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22:35:42 <Ysjoelfir> Hi mr head o/ :) Hsn, I'll be on my way to pick up my prototypes from the post office now. be back in an hour or so :D
22:36:08 <hsn> pics or it didnt happen
22:36:26 <Ysjoelfir> when I'm back
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22:56:00 <hsn> https://youtu.be/retGdoV-IlQ
23:15:29 * Ampera hugs electrohead
23:31:56 * electrohead hugs back
23:32:35 <electrohead> was shaving, sorry for the delay
23:32:56 <electrohead> hsn: lol
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