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00:16 <rust_collector> that is something.
04:30 <rust_collector> so, do you think you can sneak some testing into the company now and then, if you need to?
05:30 <rust_collector> Designing something is one thing, but I guess you have to test it pretty well also?
05:47 <rust_collector> not that I know how much stuff you would need for that
06:28 <Ysjoelfir> probably, yes. I don't have everything (and especially not in that quality I would need) so I would need a partner to do testing in some cases
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09:55 <rust_collector> so, what is the big black thing in the metal plate over your bench?
10:46 <Ysjoelfir> on the right "slot", basically left of the big scope?
12:52 <rust_collector> it looks a bit like the result of a 3some with a power supply, a complicated spectrum analyser and a microwave. you have the big scope, something white, metal plate with analog meters, then this thing in the 2nd metal plate
15:10 <Ysjoelfir> heh. yes. that black thing is a very old power analyzer. one channel. and - funny enough - the customers using that exact thing (was made from ~1978 to 1990) want the small, portable, 2 channel thing I want to develop now^^
15:15 <Ysjoelfir> its a ZES Zimmer LMG90
16:28 <rust_collector> mmh
16:54 <Ysjoelfir> want a better pic?
16:59 <Ysjoelfir> its actually a pretty nice instrument
17:09 <rust_collector> well, why not.-
17:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NUBU5hvi9M_t7kKsCQKlv2ma-AJXB0B3?usp=sharing
17:32 <rust_collector> I doubt I will need one of those any time soon, lol
17:40 <Ysjoelfir> I already have a folder of those I noticed^^
18:29 <Ysjoelfir> the last two pics are... the most interesting I guess
18:34 <rust_collector> interesting colours
18:51 <Ysjoelfir> you see the one build into the desk, and one of the portable ones standing on a bunch of crap (that one is now with our beloved friend Lemon)
20:22 <rust_collector> oyez. is he still alive, btw?
21:15 <Ysjoelfir> I think so? haven't heard anything from him recently though
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> should I write him and demand him joining?
22:23 <rust_collector> I hope he did not try to lick all his stamps, to make them look more vintage or something, then got glued into a roll of stamps
22:42 <Ysjoelfir> XD ew
23:01 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll quickly drench the lathe in some WD40 and let that soak for a few weeks
23:07 <Ysjoelfir> and take a shower after that
23:07 <rust_collector> I guess some of them could have interesting flavourings from the early 70's
23:14 <Ysjoelfir> probably?
23:38 <Ysjoelfir> germany now decided that we don't need stamps anymore. and at the same time they introduced a new series, vintage firefighters trucks
23:45 <rust_collector> yes. soak it. put paper towels on the thing, and soak it.
23:55 <rust_collector> or other towels
23:57 <Ysjoelfir> that'll get rid of all the crap on there, too
24:10 <rust_collector> well, it will.. do something, lol
24:34 <rust_collector> did you get that thing where you just get a code to write in stead of the stamp?
30:40 <rust_collector> I will go outside and add some layers to the onion van
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35:50 <jackbrown> Hello does anyone knows a pair of magnifier glasses that have reasonable magnification an working distance ?
41:10 <rust_collector> optivisor?
42:17 <rust_collector> https://doneganoptical.com/product/optivisor/
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03:53 <Ysjoelfir> I still think that guy is strange
04:16 <Ysjoelfir> also, regarding the stamps: I dunno :D let me check
06:37 <Ysjoelfir> jep, exactly that - get a code by an app, write that onto the letter, done
06:56 <Ysjoelfir> and enjoy stitching the onion :) what happened to onion #2 by the way, did you take it?
07:23 <Ysjoelfir> and I still think one of those jewelers magnifier thingies would be awesome, tacked to old glasses with a hinge to flip down if needed
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11:04 <Ysjoelfir> huh?
11:08 <Ysjoelfir> why did I join again? :D
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58:36 <rust_collector> all the ysjoels...
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06:45 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
06:55 <Ysjoelfir> don't ask me what went wrong there :X
07:02 <Ysjoelfir> I hope I didn't spam to much
07:40 <Ysjoelfir> Had to reset the bouncer relay I installed... seems like I fucked something up while doing so :D
13:30 <Watcher> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26pin-Ffc-FPC-Adapter-To-2-54mm-26P-Flat-Cable-Socket-Connector-0-5mm-1-0mm/254738108668
13:52 <Watcher> cames this board installed with the connector?
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder how a resolution of 800x480 is called. is that WVGA?
29:32 <Watcher> Ysjoelfir: according to wikipedia yes
29:34 <coppice> WVGALBTQA+
29:51 <Ysjoelfir> lol coppice :P
30:03 <coppice> damn it, I missed a G. WVGALGBTQA+
31:35 <Ysjoelfir> oh noez!
33:03 <Watcher> Ysjoelfir: can you guve you opinine of the connector form (this link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26pin-Ffc-FPC-Adapter-To-2-54mm-26P-Flat-Cable-Socket-Connector-0-5mm-1-0mm/254738108668) is preinstalled
34:06 <Ysjoelfir> MORE INFORMATION
34:06 <Ysjoelfir> 1.
34:11 <Ysjoelfir> seems pretty clear to me
34:38 <steve30> hi
34:47 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr steve
36:00 <Watcher> so Ysjoelfir you think that it is on there?
36:48 <Ysjoelfir> how should I know? :P I don't sell that. though I would say as its shown with the connector preinstalled, that it should be on there?
37:37 <Watcher> thanks, if i order it i will ask the seller. for 7 euro i will not do a misser
37:54 <Watcher> and need to wait longer for a single connector
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51:00 <rust_collector> I made a new front panel for the not quite power supply. it turned out ok for being hacked out with an angle grinder
51:41 <rust_collector> but I think I have to make a new circuit for it, because the old one is in the way of allthethings
52:13 * Ysjoelfir hands rusty a 723
52:20 * Ysjoelfir adds some 2N3055
52:55 <rust_collector> this thing came with an ic, that I think was used before the 723, but it looked to be pretty similar
53:50 <rust_collector> but as it was just an 8 to 18v "battery eliminator", rated at 1.5A, I just replaced most of it with a 317
55:26 <rust_collector> as far as I could tell, the transistor was blown, which took the ic out (I guess) Not worth saving
57:24 <Ysjoelfir> probably not. but still a good base
57:45 <rust_collector> I do like the case, and the transformer is nice enough
59:29 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should start wearing a hat...
59:45 <rust_collector> otoh, then I have to wear a hat
00:30 <Ysjoelfir> wearing a hat is nice!
00:33 <Ysjoelfir> I do it all the time
00:42 <rust_collector> Oh, I noticed that
00:46 <rust_collector> but
01:04 <rust_collector> I do not have your body, lol
03:41 <Ysjoelfir> true.
03:51 <Ysjoelfir> well, if you compress yourself a bit?
04:18 <Ysjoelfir> though I would think a flat cap would suit you
04:33 <Ampera> Just voted
04:36 <rust_collector> I am afraid I would be too short, so I would not reach the ground
04:56 <rust_collector> hi Ampera
05:03 <Ysjoelfir> what did you vote for Ampera?
06:02 <rust_collector> I hope it was a horse
10:02 <T3sl4> an awesome horse at that
10:18 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir's 2N3055
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11:33 <rust_collector> Ampera likes sweet lemonade
13:15 <T3sl4> mmm, pop
14:07 <T3sl4> hmmm, well that was pretty easy, now i can draw solid color rectangles on this display
14:27 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, as you are a windows guy... maybe you want to mess with this thing? https://file.io/zwq2FDhTRekp
14:44 <T3sl4> it's slightly nontrivial as x coordinates aren't pixel addressable, rather in multiples of 8
15:53 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, a 404?
16:03 <rust_collector> eh?
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> 404 page not found
16:34 <rust_collector> I see that... but it was there just a minute ago... let me C
17:15 <rust_collector> https://file.io/N46Ggv8NCIGt
17:39 <Ysjoelfir> 404 again
17:55 <rust_collector> wth? it works here, lol. ok...
19:39 <rust_collector> https://pastebin.com/SYNp0XVc
24:30 <rust_collector> Not sure if it works on w10... but it should run on 98 to 7
25:27 <Ysjoelfir> I'll try :D
27:05 <T3sl4> was is?
27:28 <rust_collector> an ancient synth simulator sort of thing
28:02 <T3sl4> neat
28:09 <T3sl4> not just a tracker?
29:00 <rust_collector> I dunno? I got the file here, and just hope giving the magnet link will work
30:38 <rust_collector> I have never tried to send anything as a torrent thing before
30:54 <Ampera> I voted trump for president and democrat for senate and house
31:14 <T3sl4> as confused as you are
32:50 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, hehe, my bench PSU is a 723 + 2N3055
33:51 <Ysjoelfir> :P
34:09 * T3sl4 smothers steve30 in 555s
36:01 <rust_collector> hmm, I took the beeper things out of 2 old smoke detectors... just because you mentioned 555s
36:42 <rust_collector> I could make something very annoying, I bet
37:48 <T3sl4> i bet you could
39:15 <Ampera> Not confused, I want there to never be a single party fed as much as possible
39:41 <T3sl4> mmm, fried the last leftover stir fry along with two eggs and some more tomatoes
39:53 <T3sl4> and kind of a lot of oil, nice and greasy
40:14 <Ampera> Any choice was a bad one, but by countering a shitty president with opposition, you have a better chance for nobody to make as much of a mess of things
41:59 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/jh8b9b/the_wurst_guy_in_ww1/
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51:13 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-5S_gqWxF1ClWH9wEJC1YlDBSPfZQ3a/view?usp=sharing My fellow engineers, would you like a device with a frontpanel like that? (just a draft of course, colors absolutely not final, display will be 5 inches, no touchscreen. controll scheme simmilar to rigol scopes with soft buttons and a wheel for quickly scrolling through stuff.)
55:46 <rust_collector> hmm, I guess not?
56:11 <Ysjoelfir> what would you change?
56:34 <rust_collector> I am not engineer, but those who are do not say they would like it
56:45 <Ysjoelfir> lol
58:03 <rust_collector> all I would say, is that you have to make sure you have finger-space around the spinny button, so you can twiddle it without getting tangled up in wires
59:27 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
00:04 <Ysjoelfir> its also not to scale, so I assume there will be more space in the finished product
00:57 <rust_collector> and... i think i would have translucent silicone-ish buttons with switchable rgb backlighting, just to be weird
01:35 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, of course not. i don't own the rigol trademark, that'd be stupid
02:10 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 - and now seriously? :P
02:14 <T3sl4> i take it the clown nose is an encoder, but there's space for a numpad but no numpad?
02:38 <Ysjoelfir> you think a numpad would be beneficial?
02:47 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, its an encoder
02:53 <Ysjoelfir> or, should be
03:14 <T3sl4> no idea, HP certainly loved the combo back in the day :P
03:32 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, translucent buttons is actually used on the device my employer makes. :P
03:43 <rust_collector> yes
04:00 <rust_collector> but can they select which colour you want in the buttons?
05:00 <rust_collector> something tells me that is a fake feature, that does not cost much to include
05:30 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 I want to make a UI that is easy and intuitive, as I have the impression that many companies just focus way to much on touchscreens today - I don't like the usability. rusty, no, just white^^ and no, should be pretty cheap to do
05:40 <T3sl4> just toss in some 2612s and program them with whatever colors you want
05:57 <rust_collector> racist
06:17 <rust_collector> white only
06:23 <T3sl4> they're not "white power", they're "white illumination"
10:40 <rust_collector> oh well.
11:06 <Ysjoelfir> so... I read that as "its not the worst idea to make it like that"?
12:02 <T3sl4> i mean, you're welcome to workshop it with focus groups and marketing teams :P
12:04 <rust_collector> right, it could be worse
13:15 <T3sl4> i'd have to use it to tell, but its appearance doesn't seem to prevent usability
13:24 <Ysjoelfir> no thanks. its supposed to be a somewhat cheap device, T3sl4 :P
13:40 <T3sl4> what are the two lines though? don't you need 3
14:31 <T3sl4> power lines, or measurement channels, that is
14:42 <Ysjoelfir> sure, only doing stuff allows a good judgement. I was basically asking because I just did it now the way I personally would think it would be... nice to use, but maybe some people have used simmilar devices and hate it, or whatever^^
14:53 <Ysjoelfir> which lines do you mean?
15:19 <T3sl4> the U and I thingys
15:59 <Ysjoelfir> ah. you mean, wouldn't be 3 channels more usefull?
17:19 <T3sl4> you only need 1 for single phase, what good is 2
18:25 <T3sl4> 2 is enough for 3ph under certain assumptions, but missing out on those (L-N currents, line imbalance?) will probably confuse some users
19:15 <Ysjoelfir> sure, with 3 you could measure 3 phase power systems, but... ok, I have to go back a step. this thing is intended as a big fat fuck you to my soon to be ex employers head of development. our marketing guys talked to the customers and they regularely want a small, portable, power analyser which is reasonably priced, with two two channels for efficiency measurements. everyone that had something to say loved the idea, except mr.
19:15 <Ysjoelfir> head of dev, wh owas like "no, nobody needs that, we won't develop this".
19:56 <T3sl4> that's the other thing i was thinking, two independent channels
20:08 <T3sl4> why not just sell them two :P
20:28 <Ysjoelfir> when I talked to mr. boss and adressed this (remember, he kicked me out because mr. head of dev said there wouldn't be a project for me to work on), he was like "well... you are a freelancer. maybe you will come back in a few years and tell me about a device you developed which we might be able to sell". since then this idea is stuck in my head :P
21:07 <T3sl4> ah, so you take all the risk and they get to buy it for a song /if they like it/ ;)
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but I won't take all the risk, they would manufacture it then
21:53 * arch robs T3sl4's induction heaters and sells them for $10
22:03 <Ysjoelfir> it would be basically a kind of... licensed production
22:46 <arch> Ysjoelfir what's your occupation?
23:08 <Ysjoelfir> also, it will be a very fun project, and since I wouldn't be allowed to freelance in the PCB design stuff for other customers with any of the companies that said they would maybe employ me, I would do this project basically as a... project to learn and have fun with
23:25 <arch> nice, that's how i learn EE too
23:36 <arch> maybe in another parallel world line, i would have been an engineer
23:56 <Ysjoelfir> arch, I'm an electronics design engineer, basically. I studied "Informationssystemtechnik", basically IT and electronics combined, but with a big focus on electronics.
24:43 * T3sl4 engineers arch
24:58 <arch> neat. i wish brooklyn tech had something like that, but they wasted $1500 of my money on a shitty ass "lab course" which involved no hands on stuff--just simulations....oh...and a 555 timer on breadboard...
25:16 <Ysjoelfir> wow :X
25:23 <arch> hopefully europe has better education systems
25:29 * Ysjoelfir has to change the kitty litter real quick, brb
25:35 <arch> cuz the public colleges in USA...suck ass
26:45 <arch> your only option is to be born rich and get sent to a private university in the US. or be extremely smart, i'm talking one-in-a-thousand, and get scholarships
27:28 <arch> god forbid you fail ONE single fucking course, you're fucked. no EE for you. you'd have to go to another college.
28:47 <arch> and these colleges have the audacity to ask for donations from me...like...fuck off. better off donating to open source projects
30:53 <arch> failure is penalized SEVERELY here, and they wonder why people don't bother learning STEM fields
32:11 <T3sl4> i forget if i got anything less than As in my major
32:14 <Ampera> shitty college system was why I dropped out
32:17 <Ampera> fuck college
32:21 <T3sl4> but erm, that's me
32:22 <arch> agreed
32:22 * T3sl4 coughs
32:45 <Ampera> if I didn't have the job I have now, I'd be going into a trade
33:09 <arch> yeah, im a hands on kinda guy myself
33:19 * arch pinches T3sl4 nipples
33:47 <Ampera> My job is an insanely good opportunity and I get paid insanely well with more that may come, but I do sorta wish for being outside and doing things
33:59 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/KMZj2zw.gif
34:03 <arch> careful what ya wish for
34:18 <Ampera> oh god ctrl+alt+del
34:29 <arch> LOL
34:30 <Ampera> the web comic that finally made people realize web comics are shit
35:11 <T3sl4> is this loss?
35:29 <Ampera> no this is patrick
35:39 <T3sl4> owo
35:41 <arch> no, this is sparta
35:53 <Ampera> /kick arch
36:45 * arch puts Ampera inside a box with a "please adopt me" sign and puts him in a walmart parking lot
37:19 <Ampera> arch, I don't you to project your childhood onto me
37:28 <arch> =(
37:44 * Ampera gives arch some lox with a schmear
38:06 <arch> i'll be bach later
38:10 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
38:17 <T3sl4> i'll try to handel it
46:37 <rust_collector> pizza is in the oven...
46:49 <T3sl4> hot
47:05 <rust_collector> nah, sort of warm
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02:04 * T3sl4 sips tea
02:13 <rust_collector> heh, no one noticed I put the salsa in there, that says it expired in the 18th of january
04:44 <T3sl4> unopened can?
05:04 <rust_collector> nope
05:16 <rust_collector> but I do not know how long it has been open
06:58 <T3sl4> i've had cans of partially used pasta sauce that kept for, a month or two?
07:37 <T3sl4> once you forget when it was opened, it's probably a good idea to dump it... which has happened plenty of times
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08:17 <Nothing\> hot damn
08:26 <Nothing\> 141k views on this video i posted
08:39 <Nothing\> too bad it's just a clip from a movie and hence not monetized, but still
08:58 <Nothing\> that means more coverage for the rest of my channel. which for some reason has around 50 subs
09:16 <Nothing\> dunno why anyone would wanna sub to it except maybe the promise of electronics videos
09:22 <rust_collector> the interesting thing, is that the cheese from last saturday was full of mold
09:49 <Nothing\> it's fun to look at mold under a pocket microscope
10:11 <Nothing\> i haven't got a real one, but i've a pocket microscope that does 40-100x at pretty okay quality
10:21 <rust_collector> Nothing\, I bet they subscribed because of your famous long political rants
10:35 <Nothing\> i've taken pictures of silicon dies through it before and they came out just fine
10:40 <Nothing\> maybe a tad washed out
11:02 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol dude i have a video on there of my smoking a cigarette
11:14 <Nothing\> that's it, i just smoke the cigarette and that's the video
11:22 <Nothing\> like andy warhol eating a cheeseburger
11:40 <Nothing\> only somehow this isn't art
11:49 <rust_collector> I prefer boris peeling potatoes for an hour
12:18 <rust_collector> that was a great video
12:21 <Nothing\> i was always partial to luigi saying "lotsa spaghetti" for 10 hours
13:13 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JKb98f2Lzo&ab_channel=drewsef765111
13:19 <Nothing\> this was alays my favorite
13:30 <Nothing\> seriously, first time i saw it i laughed till i was crying
13:46 <Nothing\> everything about it is hilaryous
13:53 <Nothing\> yes, hilary-ous
14:24 <Nothing\> i like the way his eyes sorta bulge out of his head
15:44 <Nothing\> ah i remember when that song used to make me so pumped up i'd wanna beat the shit out of anyone within an arm's length of me
16:20 <Nothing\> it's a shame the sequel to mortal kombat was so shit i've seen it multiple times and still don't remember a single thing from it
16:55 <Nothing\> mortal kombat was the best video game movie we had at that point
17:05 <Nothing\> or possibly ever
17:28 <Nothing\> oh rust_collector
17:34 <Nothing\> you see this thing they have now
17:45 <Nothing\> it's these RC mario kart figures, right
17:56 <rust_collector> mmkay
18:20 <Nothing\> they've got cameras in them, come with obstacles or something, but the long and short of it is, you turn your house into a mario kart track and play mario kart IRL
18:33 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure there's some augmented reality involved too
19:13 <rust_collector> ooofffff people......
19:16 <Nothing\> but i thought it was pretty cool, provided you have a house big and clean enough to make a full RC go-kart track
19:48 <rust_collector> yeah, it would be interesing in one of those japanese micro hotel rooms
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20:04 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak!
20:10 <Nothing\> i can imagine one or two paths for mine cuz my house's bottom floor is set up where it's got sort of 3 islands in each 3rd of the 1st floor
20:50 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ and hugs TheDude 
20:51 <Nothing\> first island is the wall seperating the kitchen from the living room, then there are halls on either side of that wall so i could have a track go around that
20:52 <Ampera> er
20:53 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak,
21:00 <Ampera> TheDude is also good to hug
21:03 <Nothing\> then i've got the dining room table next to that
21:10 <Nothing\> then the living room couch
21:16 <Nothing\> which could be their own track
21:19 <Nothing\> heya Ampera
21:24 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
21:25 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
21:27 <T3sl4> set up a ramp to jump onto the table then the couch
21:31 <Nothing\> i'm doing well
21:36 <T3sl4> then get a lakitu drone
21:40 <Nothing\> T3sl4, now that would be cool
21:53 <Ampera> now that I am full of sandwiches a nap seems like it might be a good idea soon
22:07 <Nothing\> i've been playing a lot of mario kart 8 lately since i discovered you can play battle and vs mode against the computer
22:18 <Nothing\> but i'm considering getting a subscription for the online service
22:40 <Ampera> from what I've known it's a complete waste of money
22:43 <Nothing\> only thing i don't like is it keeps signing you up for it over and over again until you're either broke or you specifically tell them not to
22:48 <Ampera> their mutliplayer implementation is complete garbage
22:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, it relaly is
22:53 <rust_collector> why not do like that french guy, and just a gocart around and throw bananas
23:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, i used it for mario maker to access other peoples' courses cuz lets face it, that's the only real reason to play the game
23:28 <Ampera> there's a reason to play that game?
23:38 <Nothing\> watch videos of cool courses on youtube then look them up for yourself
23:41 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MytfhzcSF-Y
23:45 <Ampera> I thought the reason was for nintendo to have a cute and cuddly version of what people have been doing with romhacks for years
24:00 <Nothing\> Ampera, they have a feature now where you can make your own world map like on super mario world
24:17 * Ampera blows the wooptie doo whistle
24:44 <Nothing\> i tried it, out of 5 or 6 tries, i got 1 that was worth playing and about 70% of the courses were the exact same course with minor differences
24:53 <Ampera> the most depressing thing is for however much shit I give nintendo for being a shit company they still have a considerably more compelling product than Microsoft or Sony
25:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, the funny thing is, i bought the 3ds version well before i had a switch cuz i was all excited to make courses and share them and such
25:39 <Nothing\> turns out, they don't have any online sharing or downloading of other peoples' courses in the 3ds version
25:47 <Nothing\> you can make your own courses, but only play them locally
25:59 <Nothing\> which makes no sense cuz if you made the course, you already know what's in it
26:08 <Nothing\> there's no surprise, there's no challenge
26:22 <Nothing\> no novelty
26:32 <Ampera> Of course not, nintendo players aren't allowed to have nice things
26:37 <Ampera> that might as well be the company motto
26:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, technically neither can any gamer
26:53 <Ampera> we chop up fun and snort it but if we catch you doing an ounce of unsanctioned creativity we'll fuck you
26:58 <Ampera> I can
27:02 <Nothing\> according to the EULA you don't actually own the game you buy
27:06 <Nothing\> you only own the right to play it
27:13 <Ampera> if a game has such an EULA
27:37 <Nothing\> it's a pretty standard clause for a EULA
27:42 <Nothing\> klause?
27:46 * Nothing\ shrugs
28:05 <Nothing\> that stupid santa clause movie with tim allen made me doubt my ability to spell that word
28:07 <Ampera> on PC, not only can I regularly wipe my ass with those EULAs, my library of games is so vast that there exist things like FOSS games that are 120% moddable
28:12 <Ampera> minetest is an excellent example of such
29:38 <Ampera> and while I may not own intellectual property rights to any games I "own", I own the medium they're stored on, and provided I do not violate the DMCA I can make whatever modifications I wish
29:43 <T3sl4> clauß
29:55 <Ampera> including disassemblies and reverse engineering
30:53 * ThunderSqueak hugs Ampere
30:54 <ThunderSqueak> hi
30:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know what people used to use for TP before TP but after sticks and leaves and such?
31:03 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak how are you doing
31:05 <Nothing\> hey ThunderSqueak
31:14 <Ampera> Nothing\, farmer's almanacs
31:28 <Nothing\> Ampera, that, and sears catalogues
31:37 * electrohead stops in and waves
31:44 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
31:45 * Ampera hands and waters electrohead 
31:56 <Ampera> er, hand and waters
31:57 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, just been working
32:05 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, how's your new job been going?
32:12 <Nothing\> ugh drinking super acidic pomegranate juice after a night of severe heartburn feels so wrong
32:20 <ThunderSqueak> woke up early, went and got breakfast, and now watching saturday morning cartoons with my wife like 5 year olds :P
32:31 <Nothing\> i just wanna quaff a spoonfull of sodium bicarb and belch out a big cloud of CO2
32:41 <ThunderSqueak> why dont you then?
32:50 <ThunderSqueak> it works well for that
32:59 <Nothing\> cuz i have a neurotic thing about mixing antacids with other meds and i've had other meds
32:59 * T3sl4 hugs ThunderSqueak
33:00 <Ampera> where does the CO2 come from
33:09 <Ampera> unless you mean just from exhaling
33:14 <ThunderSqueak> the base and acid reaction
33:21 <Nothing\> Ampera, the bicarb reacting with the hcl in your stomach
33:29 * T3sl4 vinegar-soda volcanos Ampera's stomach
33:43 <Ampera> I think I was confusing myself with something else
33:45 <Ampera> anyways
33:52 <ThunderSqueak> the like half teaspoon of baking soda, mixed in some water, can work wonders when you have serious heartburn or acid reflux... in a pinch that is
34:08 <Nothing\> Ampera, try it some time, when you get heratburt just wash half a TEA(not table)spoon of baking soda down with some water
34:25 <Ampera> I did it proper and downed a full spoon full of it
34:26 <ThunderSqueak> what Nothing said :P
34:31 <Nothing\> and after a few minute you burp co2 and it burns just like you drank a soda
34:41 <Ampera> no I've done it before
34:47 <Ampera> just way more than half a US teaspoon
34:55 <Ampera> like a proper food teaspoon full to heaping
35:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, don't wanna take too much bicarb, the sodium will fuck with your body in excess. being an electrolyte and all
35:13 <Nothing\> but
35:17 <Nothing\> its' what plants crave
35:32 <Ampera> it's no more damaging than a spoonful of salt
35:36 * T3sl4 spreads K on the field
35:38 <Nothing\> true
35:43 <Nothing\> man
35:50 <Ampera> anyways I tend to use calcium carbonate and magnesium hydroxide far more often
36:02 <Nothing\> i've read fucked up stories of parents forcefeeding their kids salt as punishment for trivial shit
36:15 <Nothing\> you know, those fucked up typa parents
36:25 <Ampera> My parents punished me in a really fucked up way
36:35 <Ampera> for the crime of being alive they divorced and my mom left me
36:38 <Nothing\> my dad just beat me with belt
36:45 <Nothing\> or my mom with a wooden spoon
36:51 <Nothing\> but not as much as my dad
36:57 <T3sl4> they say she carved that spoon... from a bigger spoon
37:07 <Ampera> now they're both mental and I have about 10 months or so until I can feasibly buy a house
37:09 <T3sl4> sorry, i probably shouldn't inject simpsons references into personal trauma :/
37:34 <Nothing\> i have memories of having a bad dream when i was maybe 7 or 8 and i'd go into my parents' room for comfort only to be beaten with belt by my dad and sent to bed to cry myself to sleep
37:42 <Nothing\> but god help me if i made any sound
37:48 <T3sl4> :(
38:02 <Nothing\> took me years to decide i was abused
38:09 <Ampera> I was raised in a certain way to where if my parents had attempted that one of us would have been going to the hospital
38:20 <ThunderSqueak> I got a belt, hair brush, wooden spoon, willow stick that I was forced to pick, and occasionally soap in the mouth as a kid for punishment... also got locked in a box a few times :/
38:22 <Nothing\> i always just thought taht was normal or i was exaggerating it or something
38:51 <Nothing\> but yeah i think the fact that my dad let anger dictate his corporal punishment of me constitutes physical abuse
39:02 <ThunderSqueak> the school I went too my first school years used to put the kids in a "time out box" that was basically a 1 meter square box with a locking door
39:28 <ThunderSqueak> <- has been told that she apparently had a very abusive childhood :/
39:37 <Nothing\> and calling me things like a nigger while i was struggling to unload a container truck full of furniture for his store constituted verbal abuse
39:55 <Nothing\> not to mention all of the fucked up shit he said and did
40:19 <Nothing\> like i remember when i musta been maybe 13, i had my best friend over who was female
40:27 <Nothing\> and my dad invited her into the hot tub
40:42 <Nothing\> when she said she didn't have a bathing suit he said something like "oh that doesn't matter"
40:52 <ThunderSqueak> I was also told to shovel manure out the barn, and if I did not do it all, I could not eat until it was done... they were large barns
41:01 <Nothing\> despite that being another era, that's still creepy as fuck
41:03 <ThunderSqueak> 300ish pigs
41:05 <ThunderSqueak> :/
41:29 <Nothing\> he has, or had a pic on facebook of him groping his 15 year old step daughter's tits
41:34 * ThunderSqueak sits down next to Nothing\ and hands over a soda.
41:41 <Nothing\> with a caption saying "have boobs, will travel."
41:59 <Ampera> well I think I'll head out, I don't really have anything to compare
42:04 <Nothing\> in fairness she turned into a total slut
42:18 <Nothing\> she had a facebook page that was dedicated to racey pictures of her
42:22 <Ampera> besides just being casual dicks these past couple years my parents never did any of this shit
42:25 <Nothing\> like model type quality pictures
42:31 <Ampera> just makes me feel bad for feeling bad about the stuff they did do
42:42 <Ampera> which then makes me feel bad for feeling bad for feeling bad
42:43 <Nothing\> Ampera, and this was after my dad quit drinking
42:48 <Nothing\> my brother got it worse than me though
42:52 * ThunderSqueak has also been shot, stabbed, had her head hit with a hammer, and curb checked by family 
42:58 <Nothing\> he deal with the drinking, being 6 years older
43:21 <Ampera> and with that I think a nap will be in order
43:26 <ThunderSqueak> <- did not have baby teeth as her cousin saw someone getting curb stomped on tv and decided it might be fun to do it to her
44:11 <ThunderSqueak> resulted in surgeries and lots and lots of speech therapy
44:50 <Nothing\> plus my dad bought my brother a nice house, put the down payment down for him and cosigned the lease, right
45:11 <Nothing\> then out of nowhere suddenly decides my brother isn't worthy of the house and just took it away from him
45:14 * T3sl4 gives ThunderSqueak a fuzzy teddybear
45:16 <Nothing\> same with the car he got him
45:25 <Nothing\> never bought me a single car
45:33 <Nothing\> but he bought my brother, what? 3?
45:42 <Nothing\> and his step son at least 1 nice one
45:44 <Nothing\> an alero
46:01 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
46:02 <Nothing\> not more than a month after said step son was busted for growing pot
46:13 <Nothing\> meanwhiile he's giving me shit because i smoked it
46:17 <ThunderSqueak> this is bringing up a lot of very bad memories
46:23 <Nothing\> sorry, man
46:31 <Nothing\> i didn't mean to spread the negative vibes
46:36 <ThunderSqueak> its ok
46:51 <Nothing\> so, i've been addicted to mario kart 8 lately
46:56 <Nothing\> it's such a great game on the switch
47:03 <ThunderSqueak> watching courage the cowardly dog with my wife
47:07 <ThunderSqueak> :>
47:10 <T3sl4> i don't have anything more to offer than hugs, but damnit they're good hugs
47:11 <Nothing\> i think i might get a month's subscription to the online service
47:17 <Nothing\> cuz i mean, it's only $5
47:29 * ThunderSqueak gives T3sl4 a hug
47:47 * T3sl4 hugs ThunderSqueak back
47:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, believe me, the sentiment is appreciated more than words could do it justice. i've had very little in the way of support re: this stuff
48:27 <Nothing\> both my brother and mom have blanks during my childhood. i don't even remember what my house looked like on the inside
48:38 <Nothing\> yet somehow i can remember what my friend's house looked like inside
48:41 <Nothing\> how's that work?
48:43 <T3sl4> just as bad? as the abuse itself is the feeling of isolation, whether because you just don't know where to go or because you're threatened not to
49:26 <Nothing\> T3sl4, tbh as much as it screwed me up on a subconscious level. on a conscious level it doesn't really bother me.
49:41 <Nothing\> i mean it sucks i never had a proper father, or male role model to speak of
49:57 <Nothing\> the only role model i had was my brother and he was an ass
50:21 <Nothing\> but nobody to teach me how to just live life, ya know?
50:33 <Nothing\> the basics of life, life skills, stuff like that
50:47 <T3sl4> there's so much more we can cover in school but don't
50:59 <Nothing\> i had to figured it all out while being a 17 year old with a baby on the way and nobody to relaly teach me anything
51:15 <rust_collector> One time, my dad was drunk, and he was saying something not nice, so I punched him in the nuts with a teddybear, lol. I guess that is the worst I have had... So ok, hugs for all, if anyone wants them
51:53 <ThunderSqueak> I was in the room as my father raped 3 of my cousins :/
51:54 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i was saying last night, not sure if you were here or not, but the first thing they NEED NEED NEED to teach children is both that they have the ability to learn and that learning isn't as difficult as they think
51:57 <ThunderSqueak> so yeah
52:03 <Nothing\> a la muad'dib
52:05 <ThunderSqueak> lets change the topic
52:17 <Nothing\> sorry ThunderSqueak we keep coming back to it :(
52:21 * T3sl4 gift-baskets ThunderSqueak and Nothing\ with 555 timers
52:36 <Nothing\> oooh you can never have enough 555 timers
52:48 * ThunderSqueak uses them to build a computer.
52:53 <Nothing\> you can make a nice pulse train generator out of multiple 555s
53:03 <ThunderSqueak> you can use them as logic too :P
53:12 <ThunderSqueak> just takes some out of the box thinking
53:30 <Nothing\> like, you get one 555 in monostable to trigger for X amount of time, which triggers the next timer, which triggers the next timer etc
53:37 <Nothing\> for as long as you want
53:51 <Nothing\> it's bulky for today's standards, but it work
53:52 <Nothing\> s
54:15 <Nothing\> triggers the next timer when it turns off, that is
54:32 <Nothing\> which is perfect since the trigger pin is active low as it is
55:27 <Nothing\> heh i still remember trying to make this circuit where... i forget exactly what it did but part of it was i had a 555 in astable mode and had to disable it for brief time
55:54 <Nothing\> and me, not knowing any better, figured i could just cut VCC or ground line and that should turn the chip off
56:00 <T3sl4> there's a recommendation in digital circuit design... DON'T use timers, delays etc.
56:07 <ThunderSqueak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_timer_IC#Schmitt_trigger
56:23 <T3sl4> you can do some very clever things with timers, but you can also confuse yourself (let alone anyone else who has to maintain the design) very quickly :)
56:33 <Nothing\> little did i know, chips will find VCC or ground wherever they can, regardless of whether the pin's meant for it
57:02 <T3sl4> so, there have been some computer designs from the 60s, 70s, 80s even, that used delays very carefully, but weren't very easy to design, or work on
58:18 <T3sl4> the easier, more flexible method has always been, combinatorial logic into registers -- state machines
58:32 <Nothing\> T3sl4, what do you mean? like to get a frequency counter i'd basically just get a counter that counts the pulses from the frequency and a second timer that would reset the counting circuit after strobing the output of the counter into a latch
58:48 <Nothing\> are you saying using counters for something like that should be avoided?
59:56 <Nothing\> then of course some math to convert the numbers into decimal and into seconds^-1 but you know what i mean
00:46 <T3sl4> counters are good -- they're clocked logic, registers
01:03 <T3sl4> you do have to be careful of propagation delay, for which synchronous are better than ripple counters for example
01:38 <Nothing\> ah so you're saying if you have too much propagation delay without taking it into account, it could skew the accuracy of your counter
01:46 <T3sl4> but ripple counters are good if you can accommodate that delay assuming the logic levels are invalid until after the delay
02:40 <T3sl4> if you use ripple counters in a freq counter, and sample them at an inopportune time, you'll get not just an inaccurate reading but likely a whole bunch of bits completely flipped -- actual nonsense
02:49 <Nothing\> man i've gotta break out the 74hc74s and start playing around with D flip flops again
03:04 <Nothing\> i think i have T flip flops somewhere too. if not, i damn well should
03:32 <Nothing\> i keep telling myself i need to take inventory of my chips
03:53 <T3sl4> it's more about stuff like: to execute an instruction, some sequence of operations must be performed, starting with reading in the instruction, then activating the correct sequence of address/data bus reads/writes, ALU strobe, muxing the right logic operation, etc
04:19 <T3sl4> in classic CPUs like 8051, Z80 etc., these were done on sequential states, which is why an instruction cycle took 3, 4, 8, 12+ cycles
04:51 <Nothing\> i'd love to get back into 8051 programming on this simulator i had on my pi
05:26 <Nothing\> unfortunately it's the only thing on my pi worth using right now so it's kind of a pain to set it up just for the sake of practicing 8051 programming
05:41 <Ysjoelfir> re with dinner. what have I missed?
05:45 <T3sl4> on the upside, they could perform complex operations, like multiple memory accesses (read-modify-write), or using the ALU to add addresses as well as data (like the 8086's effective address calculation which used the CPU ALU, at significant expense to execution time when using those instructions)
05:45 <Nothing\> although i did get one of those lynda.com courses on the raspberry pi
06:00 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, you missed your hug
06:05 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, just a lotta depressing, triggering conversation
06:19 <Nothing\> which we won't get back into for all of our sakes
06:21 <Ysjoelfir> woah, I want my hug now please!
06:27 * Nothing\ hugs Ysjoelfir 
06:27 <Ysjoelfir> ok. Then hi Nothing\
06:33 <Ysjoelfir> yaaay! \o/
06:33 <Nothing\> heya buddy
06:36 <T3sl4> :)
06:38 <Nothing\> how you doing/
06:41 Join: Watcher ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
06:48 <Nothing\> heya Watcher
06:52 <Nothing\> how you doing?
06:57 <Ysjoelfir> pretty good. working on a project.
07:01 <Nothing\> oh wait, you just like to watch
07:09 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, yeah? doing what?
07:10 <T3sl4> lennyface
07:37 <Ysjoelfir> well.. thats a slightly longer text. one second :D
07:40 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i dunno why, but that just reminded me of these cheap-ass googly eyes i bought
07:48 <Watcher> Nothing\: i go now. i go to bed for sleep
07:58 <Nothing\> here i thought i could put googly eyes on everything
08:06 <Nothing\> but they don't even have a sticky backing
08:13 <Nothing\> you have to glue them on
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08:29 <T3sl4> i guess they were too cheapass
08:40 <Nothing\> phil the filthy philanthropist
09:43 <Nothing\> ah, i made a compromise and drank just half my pomegranate juice and took 1 tums
09:50 <Nothing\> my stomach feels a lot better now
10:13 <Nothing\> you know that pomegranate juice is a PH indicator?
10:24 <Nothing\> turns green when it's basic
11:16 <Ysjoelfir> Nothing\, I'm working on a product I want to develop a device which I want to sell my soon to be ex employer. our sales guys said "we need that!", production said "do that, we have capacity", big boss said "great, lets begin", head of dev (my boss) said "no! nobody wants that!". so we don't develop that, despite everyone wanting it. also you know that I got kicked out because we don't have any projects to develop. so when I
11:16 <Ysjoelfir> talked to mr big boss he was like "well, maybe you develop some day something that suits our product range, then come back and lets talk about that.". So I'm working on that right now. what do you think about my rough draft of the frontpanel? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-5S_gqWxF1ClWH9wEJC1YlDBSPfZQ3a/view?usp=sharing
11:18 <Nothing\> i need to invest in a digital PH meter. they sell em on aliexpress for like $5
11:39 <hsn> https://youtu.be/TVCWKa1mbkE
11:45 <hsn> This guy
12:17 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, sounds like you're getting the runaround
12:37 * Ysjoelfir has to google what that means in german
12:43 <Nothing\> well i've gotta say Ysjoelfir
12:51 <Ysjoelfir> also, same question to you hsn, how do you like the UI draft?
12:55 <Nothing\> i'm not exactly an expert in this, but i like the pront panel design
13:05 <Nothing\> it's very to the point
13:25 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: i just opened it .. didnt see the text so gimme some timr
13:53 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, thoguh it does look like you have a lot of empty space on it
14:17 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 suggested to add a numpad under the encoder. I think i like the idea
14:47 <Nothing\> it needs a beverage holder
14:53 <T3sl4> if you aren't so much entering numbers as just tweaking settings, it would be better to have several encoders and a handful of shortcut buttons
15:00 <T3sl4> basically what most scopes have
15:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4, a beverage holder?
15:15 <Nothing\> :P
15:26 <T3sl4> the ones with CDs yes ;)
15:32 <Nothing\> haha
15:34 <T3sl4> tho, can't say i know any such offhand
15:52 <Nothing\> i used to work at MSN back when they offered dial-up service
16:01 <Nothing\> manning the phones
16:14 <Nothing\> and had one guy call in trying to use his mouse as a foot pedal
16:45 <Nothing\> lol and when i worked at comcast i talked to a guy whose name was actually jon arbuckle
16:47 <Ysjoelfir> multiple encoders.. i like the idea
16:59 <Nothing\> or a woman named september canada
17:09 <Nothing\> oh yeah i had a question for you guys
17:26 <Nothing\> first general then i'll get more specific if i get a positive answer
17:32 <hsn> I cant give a ui / ux design of somthing i dnt know .. or never used .. but i say if all said do that it means its good idea .. ?
17:33 <hsn> I didnt like rigol logo there xD... Probably zen somthing the company name ?
17:33 <hsn> Yeah i also agree with multiple encoder ..
17:33 <hsn> Btw whats the "portable" means here ..
18:13 <Nothing\> do any of you know much of anything about clock multipliers, how their work and their architecture etc in computers?
18:26 <rust_collector> that you do not need a forklift to move it, hsn
18:55 <hsn> Nice .. is there spoon lift?
18:58 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, the rigol is just a placeholder :P I just took some random screencapture ^^
19:01 <Nothing\> specifically i'd like some resources on how clock multipliers on computers work
19:21 <Nothing\> cuz i noticed last night my multiplier was something like 31.75x
19:40 <Nothing\> and i'm thinking "how do you make a multiplier with a non-integer value?
19:43 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: i know .. i was just speaking psycological .. to make him like feel its his product xD
19:49 <Ysjoelfir> and portable: it is supposed to be way smaller than all products they offer now. even the single channel one is.... pretty big and not supposed to be carried around
20:22 <Nothing\> i'm sure there are more types of multipliers than PLLs but i always assumed they used mostly pPLLs in computers
20:35 <T3sl4> Nothing\: shrug, i set up the PLL on this display controller. which, they already did all the hard work designing it, so it's pretty trivial from the user side :P
20:54 <hsn> I dnt know how this thing work .. or how they usually are but i felt the buttons are alot ..
21:40 <T3sl4> the usual fractional multiplier uses an M counter on the ref, N counter on the VCO, and outputs ref * N/M
21:44 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh i'm just asking out of curiosity how they're able to multiple the signal by 0.75 though
22:00 <Nothing\> if PLL based multipliers can only do whole integer values
22:06 <Ysjoelfir> hsn take a look at the single channel one. ^^ I want mine to be not as tall, not as wide, but instead a bit deeper. https://www.zes.com/de/Produkte/Praezisions-Leistungsmessgeraete/LMG610
22:07 <hsn> Nothing\: easy .. multiply by 3 divide by 2
22:15 <Nothing\> ah
22:19 <Nothing\> clever
22:22 <rust_collector> maybe triple it, and split that down again?
22:23 <hsn> Nothing\: im trolling ..
22:35 <rust_collector> oops
22:36 <Nothing\> hsn: it would work though
22:45 <Ysjoelfir> and here the 7 channel variant. THAT thing is gigantic https://www.zes.com/de/Produkte/Praezisions-Leistungsmessgeraete/LMG671
22:55 <hsn> Nothing\: but it doesnt make sense on high freqs
23:05 <Nothing\> it's like how i came up with a circuit to average a signal
23:26 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, will this thing have a "remote control" feature, say connected to a pc or something?
23:34 <Ysjoelfir> yes
23:41 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: why 7?
23:43 <Nothing\> i figured just run it through a summer amplifier made of an op amp, then through a voltage divider
23:52 <Ysjoelfir> why 7 channels coppice?
23:57 <rust_collector> do you need to do all the things, if you do not have the computer connected?
24:05 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: yes
24:31 <Nothing\> i've been trying to come up with a digital multiplier circuit on my own, but i think i'm licked
24:39 <Nothing\> i'd feel bad looking up the answer though
24:52 <Nothing\> i like to issue myself challenges like that and see if i can do them
24:55 <Ysjoelfir> which things rusty? and coppice: eg 3 phase efficiency measurements with measurements of a DC link in between
25:35 <hsn> 3 phase = 4 wires)
25:37 <hsn> ?
25:38 <Ysjoelfir> like VFD stuff, e mobility and whatnot. also, you can always add up to two PSIs (process signal interfaces)
25:47 <hsn> And dc link is what
26:03 <T3sl4> Nothing\: as in multiplying integers?
26:13 <Nothing\> T3sl4, binary numbers
26:23 <T3sl4> just takes a pile of logic
26:39 <Nothing\> that's what i figured out
26:41 <coppice> Nothing\: why would a PLL multiplier be limited to integers?
26:44 <T3sl4> somewhere between N lg N and N^2 gates, for N bits
26:48 <Nothing\> it's just a matter of not confusing myself with said logic
26:50 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I have no idea what things that thing can do, so I don't know. but do you need to be able to access every function, if the computer is not connected?
27:20 <Nothing\> coppice, i didn't think that you could use a divider to get non-integer values
27:27 <Nothing\> i forgot division was an option
27:39 <Ysjoelfir> hsn: yes, 3 phase has 4 wires, but you can calculate the power in the neutral if you know all powers in the phases. so 3 channels are enough. DC link: Immagine: 3 phase input to a VFD. That gets rectified, power factor correction, stuff, then you have your high voltage DC, which gets chopped into 3 phases again.
27:41 <coppice> Nothing\: look up n/m loops
27:50 <Nothing\> coppice, will do, thanks
28:00 <Nothing\> coppice, are they another type of pll or something
28:10 <rust_collector> never mind loops?
28:16 <Ysjoelfir> rusty: yes, you would need to be able to access most of them I would say.
28:19 <coppice> they are a way to construct a PLL loop to do fractional output rates
28:36 <coppice> the require a lot of filtering, but they are widely used in comms
29:00 <Nothing\> ah
29:09 <Nothing\> having trouble finding anything on them
29:10 <coppice> I can't remember why they always call the constants n and m
29:17 <Nothing\> google keeps giving me stuff on kamloops
29:20 <Nothing\> lol
29:52 <coppice> try fractional N PLL
32:20 <coppice> digital multipliers can be as simple as 2 registers, a 1 bit adder, and a sequencer, working up through serial by parallel, an sectional parallel by parallel, to full parallel arrays. The arrays usually follow the Wallace tree approach (good for cardinal numbers) or Booth approach (good for integers), but a little extra logic can make both of them handle the other kind of number
33:03 <T3sl4> cardinal numbers?
33:14 <coppice> unsigned integers
33:35 <T3sl4> ah
34:37 <Nothing\> coppice, well i'll start by refreshing myself on the wiki page on signal multipliers
34:41 <Nothing\> and go from there
34:48 <T3sl4> not much difference, it's just off by a little
35:11 <Nothing\> i've always been interesting in multipliers anyways. especially in why exactly it's so much harder to multiply a signal than to divide it
35:20 <Nothing\> best i can figure is it comes down to the timing
35:26 <coppice> I wonder why languages like C use "unsigned int"? An integer is a signed value. The term for an unsigned number is a cardinal
36:04 <Nothing\> coppice, that's good/interesting to know
36:52 <Nothing\> even though i saw the vsauce video on types of infinite numbers. i still can't remember the difference between cardinals and ordinals and all that
37:50 <Nothing\> i'd love to learn more about set theory
38:00 <Nothing\> but there's so much on my bucket list of things to learn
38:01 <coppice> This is what a Cardinal always addresses his flock, and tries to stop them being negative
38:23 <Nothing\> and ordinals?
38:43 <coppice> There are a lot of women on my.... oh, bucket list
39:14 <T3sl4> that many you want to see offed? gosh
39:29 <Nothing\> imo sex is a waste of time and energy unless used specifically to clean out one's pipes or reproduction
39:48 <Nothing\> but i have the testosterone levels of an 80 year old woman
40:10 <coppice> I'm gonna clean out your pipes sounds so romantic
40:17 <Nothing\> not saying i'm superior, just saying i have no desire for sex
40:32 <Nothing\> coppice, i am a hell of a romantic
40:37 <Nothing\> i just don't care for sex
40:48 * Ysjoelfir enjoys a breadroll with nice nordic cheese. "Old Swede, nordic-"spicy"" https://www.kaeseweb.de/DATA/CACHE/k-824-668-387.jpg
40:52 <Nothing\> i've been told i'm charming on multiple occassions
41:09 <Nothing\> and have been told i should be a writer in erotic fiction
41:20 <Ysjoelfir> damn thats a stinky cheese :D but very nice
41:24 <Nothing\> for my phone/cyber skills
42:46 * T3sl4 licks Ysjoelfir
43:48 * Ysjoelfir puts some of that cheese on T3sl4's tongue
43:56 <T3sl4> \o/
44:07 * Ysjoelfir adds a shrubbery
45:46 <T3sl4> NI!
46:02 <Nothing\> that reminds me
46:04 * T3sl4 serves Ysjoelfir fresh beans 
46:28 <Nothing\> any of you guys familiar with datura, aka jimsonweed, angel trumpet, thorn apple, devil apple etc
47:13 <Nothing\> guess not
47:19 <Nothing\> just as well
47:19 <T3sl4> familiar enough to know not to do it? :P
48:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, they've got 2 datura brugmansias, which grow into large trees instead of just shrubs, right in front of the sign at their station
48:26 * Ysjoelfir doesn't like datura
48:30 <T3sl4> their?
48:35 <Nothing\> i'm tempted to go in there and explain to them that teens like to take them to get high and poison themselves
48:37 * Ysjoelfir likes fresh beans (hopefully cooked though) VERY much
49:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, sorry i forgot to say this was at the police station
49:10 <Nothing\> they have it growing in their garden
49:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
49:49 <Nothing\> but not just the stramonium or inoxia varieties that are mere shrubs, they've got the brugmansia varieties which turn into full blown trees
50:03 <T3sl4> heh
50:04 <rust_collector> trees are nice
50:04 <Nothing\> they're beautiful trees, but quite poisonous as well
50:19 <Nothing\> in fact, that's all the "high" is
50:33 <Nothing\> it's just anticholinergic toxicity
51:07 <Nothing\> i tried benedryl a couple of times as a teen which is more or less the same, but shorter lived and that was enough for me to discover i didn't like it
51:14 <Nothing\> it's like a damn fever dream
51:39 <Nothing\> you're so messed up you don't even realize you're on anything. and it's impossible to maintain any semblence of control
51:58 <T3sl4> yeah
52:08 <Nothing\> i remember i kept having conversations with my then gf on the phone
52:34 <Nothing\> then i'd look down at the phone only to watch it dissolve into the air and realize i was never talknig to anyone
52:54 <Nothing\> meanwhile i was having full conversations with her like she was on the phone
53:03 <rust_collector> I like your story about sitting on an ant hill much better, lol
53:14 <Nothing\> haha yeah that was a funny story
53:27 <Nothing\> that was one of my more whimsical stories-
53:38 <Nothing\> the sorta thing that can only happen to me
54:12 <T3sl4> hrm, if i dreamed about ant hills it'd probably be about pouring molten metal into them
54:20 <Nothing\> were you here for that story T3sl4?
54:29 <Nothing\> about the ants
54:30 <T3sl4> don't think so
55:16 <DHess_US> 5 minutes, https://www.2ndamendmentrally.com/index.html
55:28 <hsn> Crap
55:34 <hsn> Oh craaàaap
55:54 <Nothing\> i was messed up on ketamine, psychotic episode. went to the hospital to try and get some help like rehab or something but since i was messed up the nurses didn't want to let me out for a smoke. but after begging and pleading they finally let me out.
56:25 <Nothing\> so i went out, sat on the curb and let my smoke. pufing awy happily on it.
56:55 <Nothing\> but then i start feeling this weird, prickly, itchy pain spreading across my body
57:06 <Nothing\> didn't think anything of it, so i ket smoking
57:25 <hsn> Text overlapping https://imgur.com/a/Xs4ezlW
57:37 <Nothing\> then i looked at the ground and saw i was sitting on a mound of some very pissed off ants that were all swarming me and biting me all over
57:55 <Nothing\> not stinging ants, thankfully. we haven't got those here.
58:17 <Nothing\> but anyways, since i was in the midst of a drug trip and psychotic episode, i didn't think they were real.
58:42 <Nothing\> so i just continued to sit there smoking my cigarette as calmly as possible while these ants went to town on me
59:19 <Nothing\> finally after i was done, i got up and tried as non-chalantly os possible to get these damned ants off of me without making a scene
59:29 <Nothing\> cuz i thought they were just a hallucination
59:53 <Nothing\> when i went back in, i didn't say a think to the nurses cuz i was afraid they wouldn't let me out anymore if i did
00:04 <Nothing\> but i thought the whole thing was just part of the drug trip
00:29 <Nothing\> but in the morning when i was discharged, and sober, my bed was all full of dead ants lol
00:33 <T3sl4> heh
00:34 <Nothing\> so they were indeed real
00:56 <Nothing\> so i just let a swarm of ants attack me because i thought they were a hallucation
01:46 <Nothing\> i can't help but wonder what they woulda done if i told the nurses about it
02:06 <T3sl4> shrug, antihistamines probably
02:14 <Nothing\> i mean, they were covering me head to toe. there was just no way to get them off
02:25 <Nothing\> nah i wasn't having an allergic reaction
02:35 <Nothing\> it just stung when they bit me
02:36 <T3sl4> would the additional welts not have been obvious tho?
02:47 <Nothing\> nah there were no welts
03:02 <Nothing\> that i remember, anyways
03:32 <Nothing\> hrm i should play some mario kart
03:42 <Nothing\> but i feel like there's something i need to do first
03:45 <Nothing\> oh yeah
03:50 <Nothing\> smoke my shatter pen
06:05 * hsn checks around ...
06:20 <hsn> Amp.era is bot here ..
06:23 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkxWSNhCBo/?igshid=kerlsnslfk5y
06:28 <hsn> Not
06:35 <T3sl4> hello EEVBlog
06:52 <hsn> Oh yeah rusty
07:04 <rust_collector> yes yes
08:13 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/YDIynQ5
08:29 <hsn> This is perfection
08:31 <Nothing\> bah, didn't feel ready to smoke it yet
08:41 <Nothing\> so i just brought it down from my room
09:09 <rust_collector> hsn, you found elvis?
09:31 <Nothing\> i saw an alien once
09:38 <Nothing\> like, extra terrestrial
09:47 <Nothing\> it was in my backyard
10:05 <Nothing\> i went out for a cigarette and it came out of a bush i had
10:08 <hsn> Who is elvis .. can he be in my mixer?
10:15 <Nothing\> it was a weird looking thing
10:49 <Nothing\> it was small and stood on all fours
11:09 <rust_collector> elvis was a truck driver, that people tend to see in potatoes and random places. sort of like some people see jesus
11:21 <Nothing\> and it had long ears
11:33 <Nothing\> and hopped around on its back legs
11:43 <Nothing\> and had a nose that twitched incessantly
11:56 <Nothing\> and i can't be sure
12:05 <Nothing\> but i think it was going to the bathroom
13:06 <hsn> Elvis is the ring holder in lord of the ring
13:16 <hsn> Pricious
13:36 <rust_collector> ok. so why are you asking me?
14:43 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/aKsbfff
16:34 <rust_collector> hmm, interesting
16:45 <hsn> T3sl4: pinapple isnt made for Pizza
17:09 <T3sl4> that's your problem, not mine
17:43 <hsn> We r one team
18:04 <hsn> My problems ur problems .. ur problems my problems
25:37 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/8m9Zw7x.jpg
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07:22 <rust_collector> where have all the capacitors gone,
07:28 <rust_collector> long time passing
07:31 <rust_collector> lalala
07:54 * Ysjoelfir has many caps in his lab
08:11 * Ysjoelfir hands rusty a 450V 6800µF one, sized like a beer can
08:24 <rust_collector> I have many caps also, but they are all weird sizes
08:57 <rust_collector> one day, i want to measure that cap from the car stereo stuff
09:06 <Ysjoelfir> probably 1F+?
09:13 <rust_collector> I think it was 1
09:22 <rust_collector> but.. if that is real or not?
10:03 <rust_collector> By memory-eye measure, it is around 2.5l
10:26 <rust_collector> maybe 2. eeh, it has been a while, lol
11:15 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
12:42 <rust_collector> it did come in a nice wooden box, and a pair of cotton gloves
16:03 <Ysjoelfir> eeeh... why the gloves? cars are usually dirty :D
16:58 <rust_collector> oh, not the ones we built stereos in, back in pre-ampera days
17:36 <Lord_of_nothing> Yes I am back.
17:38 <rust_collector> you did not want fingerprints on your stereo gear
17:41 <Lord_of_nothing> Everyone fine?
17:46 <rust_collector> hey back
18:15 <rust_collector> things are super great awesome. how are you?
18:22 <Lord_of_nothing> The only think I think sucks on a IRC is there is no way to post some pictures.
18:37 <Lord_of_nothing> Well some days ago I visit the hospital.
18:57 <rust_collector> that is also the great thing about irc. just post links
18:58 <Lord_of_nothing> The good think I was for 2h the only patient and the doc have plenty time to chat.
19:16 <Lord_of_nothing> and the client dont show the image in my case
20:07 <rust_collector> no, that is a thing
20:18 <rust_collector> so... chatting with doctor....
21:28 <Lord_of_nothing> yes do to the corona panic the people dont going anymore into the hospital
22:06 <Lord_of_nothing> so the mostly wait until someone rush in with the ambulance
22:24 <Lord_of_nothing> maybe i was the only patient that day who got in my private car
22:45 <Lord_of_nothing> sry why does my brain say "my" car
22:58 <Lord_of_nothing> i dont have a car... my dad drive there
23:43 <Lord_of_nothing> ok ok... my general practioner (or how to spell) send me to the hospital since the could make more test at the same time and give me higth dose of pain killer
25:30 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I started over again. https://imgur.com/a/IR2knjl
26:25 <rust_collector> ok, what did you do to have loads of pain?
34:10 <Lord_of_nothing> have to much stress
34:49 <Lord_of_nothing> trust me you dont want to get your stomach to produce 300% more liquid as normal...
35:07 <Lord_of_nothing> maybe you remember when you have a scar and put some desinfective stuff on
35:16 <Lord_of_nothing> that pain inside your body...
35:21 <Lord_of_nothing> does i have to say more?
35:52 <DHess_US> https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2015/04/28/more-punishment-for-paratrooper-who-jumped-with-fish/
39:15 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7HVU-s7aI
39:24 <Lord_of_nothing> yes this was an official ad...
40:40 <Lord_of_nothing> sure nobody had the same idea before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKFNPGS_XM
47:32 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, nice :P which way will you build it?
48:46 <rust_collector> I really have no idea. I figured I would put a rectifier and a cap in there, just to have something done
07:16 <Ysjoelfir> thats a start^^
07:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector... Asin(2(pi)FT)
08:16 <rust_collector> I am looking at thingies... I do have some tip35 ...
08:48 <Nothing\> it's a sinewave
09:00 <Nothing\> also my damn sugar dugppde aganii
09:15 <Nothing\> so i'm wtoing for my sugar to start warking
09:18 <rust_collector> which I think would work fine for a... up to 2A-ish device
09:25 <rust_collector> Nothing\, whaaat?
09:32 <Nothing\> what what?
09:39 <rust_collector> exactly
09:43 <Nothing\> i took sugar for hypeglycemia
10:22 <Nothing\> i'm waiting for my body to aborb it and put it to good use se can stop feeling crappy-
10:52 <rust_collector> Nothing\, try this crap: https://imgur.com/gallery/aKsbfff
11:00 <rust_collector> as someone said
11:02 <Nothing\> not to mention slow and confused
11:15 <rust_collector> because that would be close to sugar anyway
12:09 * Ampera has delicious pineapple
13:01 <Nothing\> that does look intereitsg
14:11 <DHess_US> Hawaiian pizza? The 1973 Council of Naples authorized fourteen pizza toppings, and pineapple was not one of them.
14:48 <Ysjoelfir> every freakin time I search for 4mm safety banana connectors I search and search and search - and can't find them ._.
15:04 <T3sl4> who wants nipples on their pizza anyway
15:27 <rust_collector> did you mix those up?
15:28 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, you don't happen to know where those digikey guys hide those, do you?
15:48 <Ampera> DHess_US, was bacon or mushrooms on that list?
16:16 <Ysjoelfir> ah. found it
16:28 <DHess_US> Mushrooms is. Canadian bacon is.
16:31 <Ysjoelfir> I think
16:38 <Ampera> ...
17:16 <Ampera> those rules are dumb
17:21 <Ampera> in other news, no this is not on pizza
17:36 <Ampera> this was one I bought from the store earlier today and it's perfectly ripe
17:39 <Ampera> absolutely delicious
19:45 * T3sl4 licks Ampera's pineapple
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50:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Tough, but fragile. Graphic designer cognitive dissonance. https://t.co/TWdXrgDjf1
54:23 <arch> ok so it says zeta convs needs a p-channel controller, but what about using an NPN with a zener diode to drive the pfet? what makes it necessary to use a p-channel buck controller?
54:49 <arch> zener diode to limit the max vgs to less than 15V below supply
57:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Chris Anderson: This thread is full of good example videos of Tesla's new Full Self Driving mode failing at night, where the limits of using cameras alone (no Lidar) show up most. Terrifying. https://t.co/TusK6q96oB
57:49 <arch> o wait, i think i am le dumzorz
58:40 * T3sl4 noogies arch
58:52 <arch> :3
59:50 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Tod Kurt: Didn't think we'd need spacesuits while *on earth*, but... this is america https://t.co/yNkiRbyH6U
59:50 <T3sl4> cant use a regular bootstrap cuz voltage goes below gnd
00:17 <arch> yeah, that's what i was thinking of. i am le dumzorz
01:52 <T3sl4> would be nice to have one, alas it's just too small a market to make one i guess
02:39 <arch> i tried reading Christophe Basso's book past like the 30 page mark, and my head was full of fuck
03:15 <arch> gotta reread some parts a few times
04:08 <arch> not exactly related to zeta convs, just compensation. was reading a TI appnote and they had a 31 deg phase margin for a zeta. i was curious about transient response, but alas, no graphs of that
04:20 <arch> err scope shots
12:35 <arch> i checked one of those puny cellphone chargers today and it was putting out 6.17V. how the hell my phone has survived that long is a mystery, but im not gonna risk using that piece of crap for any new devices
13:12 <arch> microUSB, it says 5V on the label, but outputs 6.17V. and this from a brand name company, Kyocera, oem charger
13:19 <rust_collector> how much is it when you put a load on it?
13:46 <arch> who cares. most of the low voltage ICs are rated for 6V absolute maximum
13:51 <arch> and that exceeds it
14:16 <arch> i checked a samsung one and that one outputs 5.2V, no problem. within USB specs
14:31 <coppice> most chargers now support modes where the voltage goes quite high
14:58 <arch> yeah, but this charger is not one of those fast charge ones. it's a plain Jane USB charger
15:59 <coppice> If its a genuine Kyocera product going above 6V before negotiating modes sounds bad
17:15 <arch> i demoted it to mundane tasks now, like powering my laminator's 555 timer relay board. no problem hehe
17:34 <arch> or maybe it's a promotion. it's a pretty important task
22:21 <rust_collector> I wonder how your laminator would work to stick letters and stuff on an aluminum plate
22:34 <Nothing\> i just got a great idea
22:45 <Nothing\> premium content for movies
22:50 <arch> rust_collector, i can try it out on aluminium foil if you want
23:23 <arch> what do you mean by letters though
23:30 <arch> you mean toner transfer onto aluminium?
23:38 <rust_collector> yes
23:48 <Nothing\> so for some extra money you could have a better, alternate ending to your movie
24:03 <Nothing\> like a diercto's cut but digital
24:13 <arch> hmm interesting. i will try it out. if it works, i suppose you could make el cheapo aluminiumclad PCBs, assuming you can manage to scrape off the oxide layer carefully for soldering
24:28 <Nothing\> and with more diffurunt ct
24:30 <arch> and ferric chloride etches aluminium too, makes it into alumninium chloride
24:34 <rust_collector> say, for the front of my awesome transformer-box. add numbers and text, and dickbutts
25:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: TLDR; don't pick your nose. https://t.co/RYB0YygHcV
25:21 <arch> is your metal less than 0.8mm thick?
25:27 <arch> and must be flat too
25:41 <rust_collector> hmm, wasnt there something about soldering under a blob of oil, when you did aluminum?
25:59 <rust_collector> well, aluminum comes in mane sizes.
26:10 <rust_collector> the one I use now is 3mm
26:21 <arch> that will not fit in most laminators i think
26:23 <rust_collector> aka street sign material
26:53 <rust_collector> no, but that is not important. I just wonder if it will work at all. I am ok with thinner material
27:09 <arch> also the thermals are gonna be shitty. it's too good of a conductor of heat. copperclad PCBs are just a very thin layer of copper on fr4, which has crappy thermal properties (easier to maintain heat in one spot)
27:18 <arch> ok
27:24 <arch> i will test it. actually let me do it right now
27:30 <rust_collector> it is not important
28:28 <Nothing\> ugh i'm having meringue withdrowals
29:23 <arch> science waits for no one
30:08 <arch> need to tape one end of the foil to paper
31:30 <rust_collector> science? I hope you will make a spreadsheet and some nice poweropint things
37:25 <arch> fuck no, u better pay me moniez :3
38:06 <rust_collector> heh, it was not me who mentioned science
39:32 <arch> ok it's fed in. now we wait 8 to 10 mins
39:47 <arch> i put the paper facing down on the shiny side of aluminium foil
44:37 <rust_collector> pom pom pom lalala trollolol
45:17 <arch> im pretty sure this won't stick properly unless the oxide layer is removed, but yolo, let's see
46:13 <rust_collector> yep. I have no idea...
49:30 <Ampera> time for some lox with a schmear
50:44 <arch> ok it's out
50:49 <arch> im feeling adhesion
51:04 <arch> now lemme wipe this off using water and see if it worked
51:15 <Ampera> sounds like sex
51:28 <arch> lol
00:01 <arch> as i expected, it didn't work too well. it's suboptimal. probably due to the oxide layer: https://i.imgur.com/ov8IaPD.jpeg rust_collector
00:19 <arch> that or cuz the foil is too flimsy of a material
00:31 <rust_collector> hehe. well, that is science
01:03 <rust_collector> you could sell that on ebay, just mention "retro"
01:12 <arch> lol
03:43 <rust_collector> I guess I should try some things with that
04:39 <rust_collector> talking about ferric chloride... what kind of bomb can you make with that? most places here will only sell it to companies
07:48 <arch> you can make it using drain cleaner. good luck banning drain cleaner
07:55 <arch> drain cleaner and iron nails
08:09 <arch> and oxygen. good luck banning oxygen
08:38 <rust_collector> That would not surprise me
08:53 <arch> what shithole do you live at where they ban ferric chloride
09:01 <arch> i dont think even england does that
09:10 <arch> close second place shithole compared to USA i think
09:41 <rust_collector> well, I am not sure if it is banned as such, but lots of chemicals are... less available, I guess you can say.
09:54 <rust_collector> I am up here in no_way
10:19 <arch> well, nothing's stopping you from using drain cleaner, iron nails, and pumping air through the solution. that's literally how anyone can make ferric chloride
10:32 <arch> air or hydrogen peroxide
10:59 <rust_collector> drain cleaner. uhm, let me have a look...
11:26 <arch> or for the more adventurous, there's drain cleaner + bleach etchant. just do it outside so the chlorine gas doesn't kill you
13:22 <arch> muriatic acid = hydrochloric acid. if you see that as one of the contents on the packaging, you can use that + iron nails (or steel scrubbing wool), and leave it out in the open. first stage is ferrous chloride (fecl2), and after a while, the oxygen's gonna oxidize to fecl3 (ferric chloride, which is etching capable).
13:41 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
14:23 <rust_collector> I can get hydrochloric acid. I just went and got a bottle of drain cleaner... let me see what they put in this stuff
15:17 <arch> i mean drain cleaner usually has HCl in it as one of its components. ideally, you wanna get pure hcl (25% or above), but if you don't have that, drain cleaner is a substitute
16:12 <arch> here, watch this video, very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4tWEse2rDI
16:12 <rust_collector> sodium hydroxide, 30-60% and potassium hydroxide 10-30%
16:29 <rust_collector> lol... "warning: danger"
18:15 <arch> and you need a laser printer too, i hope you have one. most people have laser printers these days i think
18:24 <rust_collector> I do
18:34 <arch> once you go copperclad, you don't go back
18:55 <arch> i have 10 packs of those chinesium veroboards. now i dont know what to do with them
19:19 <arch> got 5 pounds of copperclad PCB trimmings for $20 shipped. that'll last me YEARS and YEARS
19:24 <rust_collector> I am actually more worried about laying things out, so they work as a circuit, than the etching part
19:49 <Nothing\> arch, to what end?
20:21 <Nothing\> spark gap sandpaper?
20:58 <arch> unless you're doing RF design, even a pretty crappy layout design will work on copperclad
21:03 <Nothing\> i'd like to try thta actuall
22:20 <arch> the trick with copperclad designs is to leave as much amount of copper possible on the board. reduces the inductance and resistance (but obviously, don't leave large planes for switching areas and high transient areas)
22:51 <arch> when i was a noob, i was doing the OPPOSITE and it makes me facepalm sometimes
23:03 <arch> so i was just making traces, instead of islands
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23:36 <rust_collector> right
24:50 <rust_collector> ok, now that I have this stuff here, I guess I should... put some in the drain
25:12 <arch> here's this is exactly what a noob does with copperclad etching. see how he only made traces instead of doing the inverse? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oouC2ioivM0
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25:22 <arch> also mute audio
25:27 <arch> fuckwits with their shitty music smh
26:13 <arch> don't put it in your eyes or mucous membranes and you should be just fine rust_collector
26:47 <rust_collector> I am not very worried about that part of it.
27:19 <rust_collector> I just suck at designing things
27:32 <arch> ok...what have you made so far
27:56 <arch> on perfboard, what about perfboard. or soldering anything
28:59 <rust_collector> I have not etched anything in.. 25 years, at least. but I have made a shitty little adjustable load, random led crap, uhm, various simple power supply things...
29:31 <rust_collector> just very basic stuff
30:50 <arch> ya gotta start somewhere
31:37 <arch> recommend giving etching a try. it's fun. i dont think i'll need to use oshpark or jlcpcb for anything except the more complex projects
31:44 <arch> very economical too, easy on the wallet
31:44 <rust_collector> hmm what was it we etched... I think it was some kind of train detector, for model trains. iIrc, we used a led on one side, and a ldr on the other side
32:44 <rust_collector> and I think, that most of the time, I would only need ONE pcb. and I would need it when I thought about it
33:39 <arch> same as me. i found it such a waste to have to order a minimum of 3 qty. fiberglass can't be easily recycled, so it makes a lotta ewaste
33:58 <rust_collector> even if I can get 10 awesome pcbs cheap from china, I really do not need that
34:26 <arch> yeah man, you should def go the DIY etching route. works nicely even with clothes iron, don't even need a laminator
35:37 <rust_collector> I wonder how much that indian guy in the video was beaten because he drilled into dis desk...
35:38 <arch> i put my etchant in a glass bakeware, one of these: https://www.pyrexhome.com/product/6-piece-glass-bakeware-and-storage-container-set-blue-lids
36:55 <rust_collector> whoa! we will have some interesting weather tonight
37:13 <rust_collector> I can hear big blobs of water hitting the roof
46:23 <Lord_of_nothing> may some here cant sleep to?
47:21 <rust_collector> it has been a while since I was able to sleep at night. yesterday I went to the couch around 7 this morning
47:40 <Lord_of_nothing> do you have pets to kuddle with
48:11 <rust_collector> yeah, but they have already gone to bed
48:17 <Lord_of_nothing> haha
48:42 <rust_collector> they sleep under the stairs
49:09 <rust_collector> around 23, they start to hang around the door, and want to go down there
49:24 <Lord_of_nothing> cat?
49:46 <rust_collector> 2 cats, and.. 5? dogs
50:01 <Lord_of_nothing> oh you should know how many pets you have
50:18 <rust_collector> the wife has them, I just live here
50:30 <Lord_of_nothing> lol you are moved in?
50:54 <rust_collector> nope. I moved in in this house in 1983
51:14 <Lord_of_nothing> so how she become your wife?
52:05 <rust_collector> well, we met, and... uhm.. I dunno? then...stuff, and after a while we went and got married
52:27 <Lord_of_nothing> well you must be happy with not me
52:47 <rust_collector> e?
53:01 <rust_collector> happy with not you?
53:37 <Lord_of_nothing> you must be happy with your decicion you made back then
53:52 <rust_collector> eeeh, well...
53:59 <rust_collector> in general, I guess
54:22 <Lord_of_nothing> well you should know your feelings
54:40 <rust_collector> otoh, it was probably the dumbest thing I ever did. But it could be worse
55:21 <arch> booo, you guys are a drag. im outa here. peace o/
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55:37 <Lord_of_nothing> well if she not beet you it cant be that bad
56:10 <rust_collector> not very often, no. I usually do not beat her either. it is a thing we have going
57:45 <rust_collector> most of the reason for that, is probably that both of us are so lazy, so we don't bother
04:26 Nick: Halcyon_ is now known as Halcyon
17:55 <rust_collector> mornings Halcyon
18:31 <Halcyon> Morning mate
19:06 <rust_collector> are you ready for an awesome day, full of adventures?
19:18 <Halcyon> Sure :-)
19:28 <rust_collector> ok, tell me about it when I wake up!
19:30 <Halcyon> I made brussels sprouts hash for breakfast this morning. It was delicious.
19:39 <rust_collector> hmm, interesting
20:10 <rust_collector> that is a new thing
21:46 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
22:05 <T3sl4> i like to do that from time to time, make potato cabbage hash more or less
23:06 <Halcyon> https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/recipes/a58136/brussels-sprouts-hash-recipe/
23:31 <rust_collector> wth? why do I never get kicad installed properly on this thing....
23:49 <Halcyon> But I added a little parmesan and Japanese shichimi togarashi peppers
23:55 <T3sl4> :)
41:40 <steve30> hi Halcyon
41:48 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
50:27 * DogWomble peers in
01:35 * Ampera kisses DogWomble 
02:05 <DogWomble> ... ok
02:13 <Ampera> :/
19:47 * T3sl4 peers back at DogWomble
19:55 * Ampera kisses T3sl4 
20:06 * T3sl4 peers to Ampera
20:13 * DogWomble engages in a peer to peer gaze exchange with T3sl4 
20:15 * Ampera p2p's T3sl4 a kiss
20:47 * T3sl4 torrents saliva at Ampera
21:05 * Ampera shoves a bit in T3sl4's mouth
21:23 <T3sl4> word to your mother
22:02 <Ampera> T3sl4, how dare you, my mother is dead inside.
22:19 <T3sl4> not actually your mother, just the common phrase alas
23:58 * DogWomble dresses up as T3sl4's mother
24:11 <T3sl4> a slip, i presume?
24:25 <DogWomble> SLIP or PPP, doesn't really bother mee
26:08 <Ampera> SHUT UP AUSTNET
26:10 <Ampera> YOU'RE NOT MY DAD
26:15 <Ampera> ::?><
26:18 <Ampera> AGFWGJI
26:28 * Ampera smacks T3sl4 with a smackerel
26:43 <DogWomble> but what if austnet really is my real dad?
27:05 <Ampera> DogWomble, how can that be, I'm not Austnet
28:14 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/wBqBWTh.jpg
29:28 <T3sl4> oh there it is https://i.imgur.com/ixHpQ.jpg
30:40 <Ampera> T3sl4, that's a sin
30:48 <T3sl4> cos what
31:12 <Ampera> because it's a man wearing women's clothing, it's heretical
31:23 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/wIfgPzX.jpg
31:25 <Ampera> all who do such terrible acts will go to hell
31:40 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
32:00 <Ampera> women having rights to their own body
32:02 <Ampera> that's a sin too
32:11 <Ampera> people being happy
32:13 <Ampera> that's a sin too
32:21 <Ampera> fucking hell, a lot of fuckers are going to hell
32:46 <T3sl4> good thing your opinion doesn't matter and people can be happy to be happy :)
33:01 <Ampera> being happy should illegal
33:03 * steve30 hugs T3sl4 
33:07 <Ampera> it's faggotry I say
33:30 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
33:44 * Ampera hugs steve30 
33:46 <Ampera> how are you doing steve30
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34:41 <steve30> I was just watching some video I took yesterday on my new camcorder. The shotgun microphone worked nicely. I had to watch on the built in LCD though as I'm still waiting for a video cable to come so I can connect it to my monitor.
34:44 <T3sl4> pretty gay i presume, and by gay i mean happy
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34:56 <Ampera> T3sl4, I had never thought of that before
34:58 <Ampera> gay is ok
35:03 <Ampera> the pope said so
35:10 <Ampera> so I guess happy is okay beacuse gay means happy
35:12 <Ampera> all fine
35:19 * steve30 gives Ampera a gay hug
35:23 <Ampera> <3
35:46 <T3sl4> https://youtu.be/61ZI2ipeGVM?t=8
35:54 <Ampera> if anyone wonders why I'm like this it's because I genuinely find people this stupid hilarious
36:02 <Ampera> and am also dumb and have no friends and intend to keep it that way
55:28 * steve30 ponders food
56:59 <DogWomble_> are you pondering what i'm pondering?
14:54 <ibiza> anyone going to try irpg ?
15:25 <Ampera> ibiza, what's the point of it
15:40 <ibiza> whats the poijt of anything theae days lol
15:52 <ibiza> how are you btw
16:01 <Ampera> that's an interesting question
16:15 <Ampera> depressed, lonely, and bored
16:17 <ibiza> i am very gay
16:23 <Ampera> that's a good answer
16:25 <ibiza> just had a baby
16:29 <ibiza> oh sorry to jear
16:38 <Ampera> just had a baby?
17:01 * ibiza Gives ¸,ø Hugs ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°  Ampera `°¤ø,¸¸,øHugs ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°  `°¤ø,¸Hugs ¸,ø¤°`°  Ampera `°¤ø,¸Hugs ¸,ø¤°`°  `°¤ø,¸Hugs ¸,ø¤°`°  Ampera `°¤ø,¸Hugs ¸,ø¤°`°  `°¤ø,¸Hugs ¸,ø¤°`°
17:15 <Ampera> uhhhh
17:29 <ibiza> lol
17:31 <Ampera> is my client supposed to do something unique there
17:33 <ibiza> annoying ?
17:45 <Ampera> looks broken really
18:26 <Ampera> is that supposed to be an mIRC thing?
18:42 * Ampera is on hexchat
19:23 <Ampera> ibiza, did you actually have a child?
19:24 <electrohead> o/
19:43 * Ampera kisses electrohead
19:45 <Ampera> how are
20:19 * Ampera sneezes
20:32 * Ampera sneezes harder
22:11 <Ampera> when I wonder why I have nobody in my life who likes me it doesn't take long for me to figure out why, but I still haven't figured out how to make myself less of a shit person
22:16 <Ampera> maybe I'll figure it out some day
22:39 <Ampera> until then 🙃
23:04 * electrohead hugs Ampera
23:13 <Ampera> how are
24:01 <Ampera> :/
24:45 <electrohead> how are?
24:47 <electrohead> lol
24:59 <electrohead> how am I? good, I suppose
25:01 <electrohead> you?
26:05 <Ampera> the edge of my lip got irritated or something so I feel it starting to swell a bit
26:19 <Ampera> happens on occasion, just a minor thing, took some benadryl
26:30 <electrohead> allergic reaction to something?
26:39 <Ampera> meh, random something
26:54 <Ampera> allergic reactions don't really ever /have/ to be from something
27:12 <electrohead> you're allergic to yourself :P
27:12 <Ampera> they can just sorta happen for no reason and never appear in the same exact way again
27:18 <Ampera> I'm allergic to living
27:36 <Ampera> sadly I don't own the pills to fix that allergy, those require a background check
27:43 <electrohead> lol
28:34 <Ampera> electrohead, do you have early voting in Penn's Forest?
28:56 <electrohead> no idea
29:08 <Ampera> do you plan to vote?
29:22 <electrohead> nope
29:30 <Ampera> not able or just not able to give a damn
29:42 <electrohead> I never registered to vote
30:00 <Ampera> probably still time, but presumably you just don't want to
30:40 <Ampera> I swear, America is one of the best groups ever
30:44 <Ampera> they have such a good sound
30:57 <Ampera> I wouldn't call them my absolute favorite, but they're really really good
31:14 <DogWomble_> yeah i do like some of their tracks
31:24 <Ampera> Listening to Don't Cross the River
31:32 <Ampera> It might be my favorite of theirs
31:45 <DogWomble_> though how long did they spend on that horse and they didńt think to give it a name
32:05 <Ampera> 4 minutes and 12 seconds.
32:27 <electrohead> I try to stay away from politics nowadays
32:39 <Ampera> Just curious as I voted today
33:37 <electrohead> all I see is corruption, bla bla, and it's just not my thing.
34:30 <Ampera> that's why I voted for trump, he's the most not corrupt person in government, he's so not corrupt he underflowed the counter of corrupt and managed to become the most corrupt
34:33 <Ampera> just because he's so not corrupt
35:05 <Ampera> but more importantly why I voted blue congress, so the corruption can bicker among themselves and not fuck so much shit up
44:45 <ibiza> slo: change your userid type //identd on $me and then disconnect and reconnect and u should be ok :)
45:02 <ibiza> gnore that
45:15 <ibiza> Ampera yes i did
56:15 <electrohead> alright, bed time for this guy, goodnight y'all o/
06:09 <Ampera> ibiza, that's awesome, how recently did it happen?
21:36 * Halcyon hugs the room
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23:33 <Halcyon> That's better
25:43 <DogWomble_> but is it really?
25:58 <Halcyon> :P
41:58 * Ampera smacks Halcyon 
42:01 <Ampera> I hate you, friend
42:05 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
42:47 <Halcyon> :D
42:48 <Halcyon> Love you too
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59:43 <Halcyon> I love this bit where Stuart Ashen absolutely loses it: https://youtu.be/qbw9fGx_1RU?t=443
00:30 <Halcyon> Sorry, wrong video, this one: https://youtu.be/adkWiJA9xR0?t=388
12:26 <Ampera> seen it ages ago
17:58 <Halcyon> Well fark you
56:08 <damian> guys guys
56:10 <damian> check this out
56:11 <damian> guys
56:16 <damian> /whois damian damian
56:24 <damian> i've been connected to irc for over a year straight without a disconnection!
56:30 * damian struts around
56:36 <Lord_of_nothing> hi
56:52 <damian> hey nothing
57:14 <Lord_of_nothing> some irc server restart between once a day and once a month
57:23 <Lord_of_nothing> sadly i could not sleep that night
57:50 <Lord_of_nothing> 2L coke...
59:59 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
36:43 <hsn> hell o
38:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Barry Marshall: Thanks @thunderf00t and @eevblog for setting me straight. By measuring the moon and extrapolating I can see that it was artefact. I am waiting for an iPhone upgrade (?2030). I made some calculations on my blog here: https://t.co/gsGv6pBgc5 https://t.co/F5mR2OZppR
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26:49 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okrV0QiKjQE&feature=youtu.be
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22:16 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
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38:33 <hsn> hello Ysjoelfir
39:04 <Ysjoelfir> hey hsn :) I hope your workweek started nice?
39:11 <hsn> today is sunday .. i dont want to work
39:16 <hsn> :D
39:34 <hsn> so im searching about positive lightening and how dangerous they are
39:49 <Ysjoelfir> but didn't you say your workday starts on sunday?^^
40:07 <hsn> yes .. thats exactly why i dont want to work
40:08 <hsn> :D
40:13 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok :D
40:22 <hsn> its first day of week .. very long very boring ..
40:36 <hsn> also watching few stuff like this http://www.maxwells-equations.com/index.php#maxwells
40:40 <Ysjoelfir> you can help me with the front design of my power analyzer and give me feedback? :D
40:53 <Ysjoelfir> thats probably more interesting though :P
41:10 <hsn> lol ... but remember i give shit comments yesterday
41:37 <Ysjoelfir> you did? I don't think so, I appreciate every bit of input I can get to make it as usefull as possible :)
41:39 <hsn> wait how do u design i remember it was "picture" in schdoc thingy
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42:44 <Ysjoelfir> yep. exactly that. the "real" design would later be done in inkscape or affinity or illustrator. but as a draft I like to have it in altium, just because I have a quick reference when designing the front PCB
43:37 <hsn> can u share again
43:44 <hsn> the snipshot
44:09 <hsn> i'll give "UI" graphical not "UX" or whatever bcz i dont know the product
45:13 <Ysjoelfir> give me a few more minutes, I had a looooooooooooooong talk with a friend of mine. she's a web developer, specialized in frontend design and user interfaces, and I want to add those Suggestions quickly
46:35 <Ysjoelfir> we talked this night from like... 11:30 to 4:30 xD
48:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/hHzLaF.jpg
48:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh, wait, you couldn't reach snipboard from work, right?
51:01 <hsn> yes
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> If you can: This is the first thing we talked about. Though I THINK its not a good form factor, to high and to narrow. But leave me your feedback while I create Idea nr. 2, putting the IO Interface to the bottom and the Power Measurement Units vertical to the right.
51:56 <hsn> i cant
51:57 <Ysjoelfir> ah. ok, I'll put it to google drive
52:02 <hsn> imgur
52:09 <hsn> is good aslo
52:46 <hsn> is db connector mandotory?
53:59 <Ysjoelfir> you mean the digital 1 to 6?
54:42 <hsn> im refering to my memory .. i cant see the picture yet . based on last night picture u sent
54:48 <hsn> there was 2 db connectors
55:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11HCexQaIKoHM_Hri6CTEqgBjpZPJ7ND1/view?usp=sharing
55:33 <Ysjoelfir> yep. reduced it to one^^
56:31 <hsn> there was buttons below screen u removed to side only ?
56:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes
56:45 <hsn> thats great ..
57:07 <hsn> i think also .. all right better than half right half left
57:20 <hsn> my point is :::
57:51 <hsn> bcz my hand is heavy .. i put it on the scope top part .. and then play with buttons below with my thumb
58:04 <hsn> if there were buttons on left .. i 'll have to cover it with hand
58:31 <Ysjoelfir> thats a very valid argument
01:05 <hsn> i made a video for it :D i thought im in not clear explaining
01:12 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/cTzkk6k
01:51 <hsn> and
02:01 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, thats very true :) I'll move them to the right
02:02 <hsn> i saw .. few examples of the company style buttons
02:09 <hsn> https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/produkte/praezisions-leistungsmessgeraete/lmg641/lmg641_power_menu/20374-2-ger-DE/LMG641_power_menu_zes_orbitslider.png
02:13 <hsn> https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/produkte/praezisions-leistungsmessgeraete/lmg670/1760-19-eng-GB/LMG670_zes_w_400.png
02:18 <hsn> https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/produkte/praezisions-leistungsmessgeraete/lmg641/lmg641_front2/20378-2-ger-DE/LMG641_front2_zes_orbitslider.png
02:38 <hsn> but i do like :: the text button ones much better than just solid color .. and text on body
02:40 <hsn> https://metroinstrument.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/pw6001-..jpg
02:43 <hsn> https://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/9019-11131757.webp
03:58 <Ysjoelfir> I want to underline the key block on the right with texts indicating the functions. the softkeys not though :D and yes, I'll probably play with colors as well
04:11 <Ysjoelfir> I like the way R&S did it with that blue bevel around the screen
05:27 <hsn> number 3 .. i know this is graphics design :D .. but round stuff .. better than sharp angle look .. i may look silly .. but somehow .. "round = more modern" in mind .. just Eye thingy
05:46 <hsn> not here ofc .. in that inkscape thingy :P
06:25 <Ysjoelfir> yes, absolutely :)
06:55 <hsn> yes .. about colors .. https://metroinstrument.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/pw6001-..jpg << i think few red few green .. :P
07:01 <hsn> few light few dark
07:43 <hsn> just based on their group function .. part of it is to convince the mr boss head of dev ?
08:13 <Ysjoelfir> I have to see what buttons I'll end up using. I would love to use a custom rubber membrane thing. though I have no idea how expensive that would be to make
08:23 <Ysjoelfir> not to convince, but to kick him in the nuts :P
08:30 <Ysjoelfir> I don't want to work there anymore
08:42 <hsn> aah
08:49 <hsn> did u remove the knob ?
09:05 <Ysjoelfir> yes. though I might add it back, it looks... empty
09:24 <hsn> it looks .. less functional .. yes
09:26 <Ysjoelfir> think about turning the key block around so that the two single keys are on the top, and above that a small knob
09:26 <hsn> :D
10:15 <hsn> i would also .. try to move ur logo on right and push PMU 2 to left under screen
10:22 <hsn> again just hand access thingy ^^
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11:44 <Ysjoelfir> I'm trying a second version right now where I put the PMUs to the right where the IOI is, and put the IOI... maybe under that. then it will be much smaller and a bit wider, which should look better than this near 1:2 aspect ratio^^
11:45 <hsn> oh this thing is small .. just noticed .. :D
12:46 <Ysjoelfir> I want to make it more like a 1:3 aspect ratio
13:02 <Ysjoelfir> like... 30cm wide, maybe 12cm high
13:17 <Ysjoelfir> it should remain small and portable^^
13:36 <hsn> yeah just noticed :D
14:48 <hsn> again .. just opinion maybe not practical for portability ... would prefer the golden ratio .. as human eye would be more familier with ..
15:04 <Ysjoelfir> which would be 1:3, right?
15:19 <hsn> is it ?
15:39 <Ysjoelfir> at least it is in photography
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16:48 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/efxSZtn37bbDmk8N9
16:53 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/RJDEuUuWcyPpeU7y9
17:20 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/6a9cNC5ZVkBjKxYb9
17:28 <Ysjoelfir> yep
18:32 <Ysjoelfir> I was refering to the aspect ratio though. But I'm also trying to follow that. wait a minute until I'm done with version 2
23:09 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/g6M8pHJYkCvZca3SA ^ these ppl have it on side .. im not with or against here
23:57 <hsn> since this is "portable" .. would this mean it has more "side, back access" than normal ones the company used to do ?
24:19 <Ysjoelfir> probably, yes.
26:00 <hsn> i would remove that "rigol scope" to more "power analyzer" one .. its just psychological trigger to make it more powerful and persuasive ..
28:40 <hsn> i know im more into design comments :D .. maybe this reflection as final touch xD : https://images.app.goo.gl/zP6xZoKLaHgwrVDr6
28:54 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlEvIBNQGjU&app=desktop
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31:04 <hsn> so Ysjoelfir this is not custom membrane buttons : https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/produkte/praezisions-leistungsmessgeraete/lmg641/lmg641_power_menu/20374-2-ger-DE/LMG641_power_menu_zes_orbitslider.png ?
31:11 <Ysjoelfir> it is
31:42 <hsn> yeah because they look awesome :D but missing text ..
45:28 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, quick question
47:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes?
47:53 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/hBNPdS.jpg ^ do u get scared from "vector" words like me ?
48:41 <hsn> as we didnt study this stuff in uni-shit .. and long time ago in high school was about matrices so i understand nothing and feel scared from "vector" stuff
49:55 <hsn> like .. when i read this .. i directly get feeling that .. stop .. and go study math again .. ? just to imagine vector stuff pretty well ...
50:41 <Ysjoelfir> I was scared once, until I understood it. which took quite some time for me to get it, but after that its easy. its just hard to immagine mathematical stuff having a direction. as soon as you can immagine that its ok. Still not my favourite, but... doable
51:30 <hsn> did u understand it in university
51:55 <hsn> or like u took course from .. khanacademy, edx or other educational platform?
52:24 <Ysjoelfir> I understood it... shortly after university xD
52:31 <Ysjoelfir> when I started to learn stuff by myself
54:07 <hsn> i mean .. did u took a book ? or course or other method ?
54:59 <hsn> ok that quick turned to non-quick .. i retract the last question :D
55:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD no no, I'm fine :) remember, I have weekend :D
55:48 <Ysjoelfir> let me try to remember what I did to understand the stuff with vectors and matrices...
59:55 <Ysjoelfir> hmm.. I think it happened when I re-learned inductors. for my bachelors thesis. like learning how the fields propagate and stuff. It helped very much to do something that I was interested in and thats also rather interesting.
01:56 <hsn> i wish a neurolink what ever elon musk company working on .. is there .. transfers knowledge to my brain .. like .. i put it in head .. sleep and it downloads all wikipedia to my head or somthing
07:47 <Ysjoelfir> that would be cool
08:29 <Ysjoelfir> I still would love to get into some company that is researching stuff like exoskeletons. things that supports disabled people. No idea where to find such a thing though
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57:20 <Ysjoelfir> pfffff! altium crashed
57:28 <Ysjoelfir> don't we love that
00:19 <hsn> <3
00:44 <hsn> the weekend altium ? :D
03:25 <Ysjoelfir> yes
14:34 <T3sl4> the weakened altium
33:16 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ask the altium customer support ? xD
33:50 <Ysjoelfir> Altium customer suppower would just try to sell me real altium while assuring that circuit studio is absolutely being maintained
34:15 <hsn> i dont remember where i think someone did ask a company for support while he has pirated version xD
34:34 <hsn> probably it was me .. xD
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> lol
40:47 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: when you say suppower, I assume you really mean suppository
41:22 <Ysjoelfir> lol. I meant support :D
49:48 <coppice> Its scary when you get grabbed by the divs and curlies
52:54 <Ysjoelfir> I get the impression that orange isn't the best color for a piece of test equipment. whatever I try, I can't find a good shade of orange that doesn't look like a toy :D
53:17 <hsn> fluke
53:32 <Ysjoelfir> and keysight, yes. but also only the holsters
53:55 <T3sl4> don't get cross with me, coppice
54:35 <coppice> T3sl4: I just go with the vector flow
55:08 * hsn throws oranges on T3sl4 
55:24 <hsn> at ?
55:45 * T3sl4 arranges them on a tropical hat
57:07 <hsn> https://youtu.be/plLh7xznyWY
58:47 <T3sl4> yeah, that can happen
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