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01:06 <hsn> guys
01:10 <coppice> If you take all the explosives from one of those big rolls of Chinese firecrackers, you could probably make quite a bang
01:11 <hsn> do u see what i see ?
01:17 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/IfHN9p.jpg
01:48 <hsn> make two orders of 10pcs better :D
05:54 <hsn> coppice, those crucial parents ..
06:10 <hsn> they not only let kids to throw firecrackers in manhole ..
06:23 <hsn> but they also produce explosive farts all day
13:10 <T3sl4> speaking of which, i'm having fried egg and beans on toast
13:49 Quit: clarkos ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
22:20 <hsn> T3sl4, appitit
22:25 <hsn> that word
33:16 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11FYD0zS1M6a7iBMdCw8GSJdWRom1U6l6/view?usp=sharing
33:29 <Ysjoelfir> still not very convinced by my colors, though I like the layout a lot
34:19 <T3sl4> i like the nastyvoltages being off to the side more
36:15 <Ysjoelfir> and the hot amps wires! :P
37:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i notice u changed the name :D
37:20 <hsn> or not ? i think it was PP somthing ?
38:23 <hsn> i vote to flip the switch .. :P .. turn on = side
39:18 <T3sl4> PDI? public display of infection? ;)
39:32 <hsn> also it looks coool !!
40:25 <hsn> but i would say .. "black and orange" will look great .. more more black .. less less orange .. just for eye comfort ..
41:57 <hsn> T3sl4, PDI -> power delivered inrush
41:57 <T3sl4> why not go full pumpkin
42:26 * hsn throws pumpkins on T3sl4's hat
43:00 <T3sl4> no need, the hat base is already a pumpkin
43:29 <hsn> https://youtu.be/cK5WLMFSGnw?t=524
43:44 <hsn> "still ac" ?
43:58 <hsn> 8:57
44:48 <T3sl4> well, there's a substantial AC component
45:18 <hsn> yea
45:27 <hsn> make sense
45:50 <T3sl4> it's not very well said
46:08 <hsn> yes
46:12 <hsn> why caps are
46:15 <hsn> 200v though
46:23 <hsn> oh .. in series ?
46:28 <hsn> 8:40 ^
46:41 <hsn> 8:30-> 8:40
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00:10 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, yes, I changed it from PPPA-2 to 3PA-2. sounds less stupid imho. :) And I opted to use just a text logo instead of my pictogramm, couldn't make that fit anywhere.
01:40 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir some beans
01:51 <Ysjoelfir> and T3sl4 - no, just my "brand" :P Doesn't have a meaning realy, its just that the letters looked nice together and made up for a nice logo when I decided for that
02:02 <Ysjoelfir> uh, more beans! SWMBO will be happy tonight!
02:05 * Ysjoelfir eats them all
02:11 <T3sl4> the only PDI i use is Programming Debug Interface
11:19 <hsn> this MAKE system is piece of shit .
11:40 <hsn> i create new c files it doesnt recognize .. i get link issues ..
12:42 <hsn> then i've to change "CMakeLists.txt" .. recompile .. oh it recognize the new files again
13:15 <rust_collector> I want my power thing box measurer to have fake woodgrain
15:43 <hsn> rust_collector, u want .. i want .. and god do what he wants
17:19 <coppice> T3sl4: now this is a substantial AC component https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/2446
17:56 <T3sl4> aye
18:46 <hsn> whats that .. switch for lightining ? lol
19:23 <T3sl4> nah, transformer for sun
19:51 <T3sl4> i wonder what the small signal parameters are like on those
20:13 <T3sl4> at least a mH of leakage inductance, but at that voltage, you don't much mind
20:39 <hsn> "small signal parameters" ?
20:53 <rust_collector> it has been a while since I saw anything about iter.
21:10 <coppice> yeah. overnight it still needs to pride a watt to run the wall clock
21:19 <coppice> provide
21:55 <hsn> r u refering to "solar winds affect transformers" thingy?
22:18 <hsn> because i've no idea .. but read that info somewhere ...
22:21 <coppice> rust_collector: you'll probably hear more when its assembled, as completes its for iter-ation
22:38 <rust_collector> arrgh. yes, probably
25:53 <hsn> the sun is just a big antenna isnt it
28:21 <coppice> no. its a full transmission station
30:52 <hsn> so these transformers will get destroyed if somthing like this happened again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event ?
32:09 <coppice> isn't a coronal mass ejection something about a COVID lockdown?
32:28 <hsn> no .. thats injection ..
33:10 <coppice> coronal mass ejaculation
34:17 <hsn> ejaculation googleable ?
34:22 <hsn> or its whats in my mind ?
34:36 <rust_collector> who knows?
37:40 <T3sl4> hsn: this, fill in the values https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/XfmrEquiv.png
40:59 <hsn> What would be rp
41:22 <T3sl4> measure it
41:26 <hsn> Less than 1 ohm?
42:56 <T3sl4> might very well be over 1 ohm, it's out of a 400kV supply
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51:24 <hsn> 160kw is wasted ?
51:33 <hsn> as heat ?
51:39 <hsn> T3sl4, ^^
51:51 <T3sl4> where
53:57 <T3sl4> if it's 450MW total over 3 transformers, that's about 216A input to the one, i think
54:43 <T3sl4> 1 ohm would be only 46kW or still over 99.97% efficiency (for the primary alone)
55:37 <T3sl4> which i think is pretty typical of transformers that size, the efficiency being 99.9something; core and secondary losses obviously have to be added in, and something 99.8 to 99.95 seems realistic. i'd have to look it up what they actually achieve
58:33 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/5h2qjrzve8v51.jpg
01:08 <hsn> T3sl4, i was dump .. ignore
01:20 <hsn> i did .. 400kv ^2 / 1ohm
01:21 <hsn> xD
01:32 <hsn> dump - dumb ..
01:41 <hsn> cya
01:48 <T3sl4> taking a dump? would've guessed :P
02:02 <T3sl4> taking a dumb? it happens :p
02:47 <hsn> anyway
02:56 <hsn> that 46kw is fckn alot
02:57 <hsn> :D
03:06 <hsn> oh crap
03:11 <hsn> cya
03:28 <rust_collector> are you going to bed hsn ?
09:10 <hsn> No rusty
09:38 <rust_collector> are you going to libya hsn ?
09:53 <hsn> Just out of the borring company
10:03 <hsn> The real boring
13:50 <rust_collector> imo, when you go back to work, you should bring a 3/4" plate of steel, about 40x40cm, and a low spec hilti, with a concrete drill bit. then put that plate on the floor, and start "drilling". do that for around 10 minutes, then take the plate to the other side of the room, and start over. if you find other rooms, do it there also
28:35 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/dUnTYUg.gifv
32:10 <arch> T3sl4, im gonna put yer 555 timer current mode boost on copperclad
32:34 <T3sl4> nice
32:52 <arch> can you paste the link real quick
33:21 <arch> i think i have it too, but it's gotta be in one of your zip compilations
34:02 <T3sl4> it's... not hard to find :P
35:06 <arch> ugh fine, im gonna search thru the wget dump
36:47 <arch> butts, it's not in the wget dump, so its gotta be in one of those zips
37:13 <T3sl4> it's literally just in /Images dood
40:43 <arch> found it
41:03 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a solid plan rusty :P
41:05 * arch moves the pdf into the "Tim's Words Of Wisdom" folder
42:17 <Ysjoelfir> Also, I think I'm finished with my interface thing, after working with some of the suggestions everyone gave me here and in the other channel :) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rDwZq816iJaH3MB6D2NdoSIoNQ5EExhP/view?usp=sharing
42:36 <Ysjoelfir> I like it pretty much. sure, will look different in "nature", but as a draft I think its a good start
43:42 <rust_collector> no woodgrain vinyl??
44:05 <Ysjoelfir> A rosewood case will come as an option obviously!
44:16 <rust_collector> ok, SOLD!
44:24 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
44:31 <rust_collector> can you use these things as scopes also?
45:00 <rust_collector> or does it only display numbers and stuff?
46:16 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but only as a pretty basic one. our biggest one has like... 10MSamples/s with the best channels and 10kS with the worst channels. Memory depth is also not that great. And since this will be a low cost device I have to see how good of a scope I can implement, but it will be there.
46:55 <rust_collector> ok, Just wondering, because I have never seen anything like it.
47:40 <arch> T3sl4, i dont have a use case for that design as-is. can't really output much current
48:14 <T3sl4> so scale it up
48:30 <T3sl4> or put a tapped choke on there for your stupid nixie thing ;)
49:10 <arch> lol, i guess that works. i was thinking more like powering my laptop off it
49:23 <arch> 20V and 4A max
50:02 <arch> would need a pretty large inductor
50:44 <arch> probably at that level, i would be better off with a CT push pull
53:51 <T3sl4> boosting from 12?
54:28 <arch> boosting from 12, at 100khz, peak current would be 8A, and RMS is 7A in CCM
55:07 <T3sl4> shrug, thats fine
55:18 <arch> but i think you said that design wasnt compensated for CCM, but ltspice sim seems to work just fine
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01:21 <arch> ok, yes, it seems to work nicely
01:30 <arch> ok, time to get to the layout
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02:17 <arch> i think i have some 10uh SMD, 7A+ rms capable inductors
03:24 <arch> if not, ill have to use one of my large thruhole inductors. i have a few of these: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/signal-transformer/HCTI-12-19-1/7362969
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06:20 <arch> aand my power source would be a 12V SLA battery, it's somewhat small tho, 6Ah, but they were in UPS, so they should be capable enough for a short test run
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39:56 <Ysjoelfir> Hmm.. Another suggestion I got from someone: I should color the connectors red/black instead of yellow/black for voltage and violet/grey for current. I can see why someone would prefer that, but I fear that people would end up sticking the current channel straight across a source.
41:19 <T3sl4> they're always going to cross wire current
41:32 <rust_collector> and ask some colourblind guy what colours work
42:22 <Ysjoelfir> sure T3sl4, but I would love to make it as hard as possible do do it unintentional^^ rust_collector, I am colorblind. well, not quite, I'm... erm... what was that called again
42:26 <T3sl4> yeah, definitely avoid red/yel/green ambiguity (protanopia)
42:27 <Ysjoelfir> dischromatopsi..c?
43:48 <rust_collector> Wife says I am colourblind.. but she says everyone is, so I am not sure who is...
47:29 <rust_collector> where/how would you connect the current to this anyway?
48:02 <Ysjoelfir> to the I and I* connectors (blue/grey)
48:50 <rust_collector> well, but are you sending all the current thru this device, or do you use some external "blob" that send information to this thing?
49:54 <rust_collector> like a current clamp, maybe?
52:35 <Ysjoelfir> It depends. I want to make it work with up to 32A continuous (or more, depends how tests work out), but I want to be able to use external sensors as well, be it a clamp or a stationary sensor in some distribution, though I am still thinking how I would want to implement that. but its a bit further down on the to do list right now, being able to use it with 32A continuous is already plenty.
53:28 <T3sl4> a CT input would be worthwhile
54:14 <T3sl4> how much current is a banana jack good for? 20, 30?
55:36 <coppice> T3sl4: depends whether you like your bananas cooked
55:48 <T3sl4> there's probably a bigclive for that
56:26 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: are you trying to develop your own power analyser?
12:30 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, the ones I chose are specced for 32A (and I use them all the time for way more...)
12:37 <Ysjoelfir> coppice - yes
14:00 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: there are so many people already making analysers, and a lot of them seem to struggle with the limited size of the market. why make another?
14:53 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, and I am working for one of them :) well, for 5 more weeks to be exact. Reason is... pff.. do I want to type that again?
15:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I want. one sec please
15:30 <coppice> oh, I thought you had left
18:27 <T3sl4> hrm, it was "one month left" a few months ago, wasn't it?
19:29 <rust_collector> in a month, it could be 3 weeks... work things are weird
20:34 <coppice> You could put pretty good power analysis into every smart meter at low cost, and have a much better monitored grid. Sadly the way things work, I doubt that will ever happen.
25:04 <Ysjoelfir> As I wrote, my "soon to be ex employer" is a rather well known one in the Power Analyzer market. We make market analysis every now and then, and one thing the customers always demand, which doesn't seem to be available, is a 2 channel PA with reasonable specs and price, and that thing should be portable. All devices that are out there are everything but portable if they are somewhere near anything you could call "precise". So mr.
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> a meeting with mr. manufacturing, mr. big boss and mr. head of development. Mr. sales was like "the market demand for that is big, we should definitely invest the time to develop that!". Mr. manufacturing was "cool, a new product, bring it on, we have the capacity!". Mr. big boss was like "great idea guys, lets do this. Mr. head of dev, who happenes to be my direct boss, was like: "NO! Noone needs that, there is no market for this
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> don't have anyone who has the time to work on that!". the result of that meeting was a kind of contract all of them signed, stating that "we will start working on that soon". a few months later, nothing has happened yet, mr. head of dev was asked why he didn't start the project. answer: "Which project? we never agreed to anything!". Also, roughly around that time, which was ~march, I got kicked out because mr. head of dev was like
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> know, we don't have any project for you to work on!", which annoyed the fuck out of roughly 80% of the company. sadly, mr. head of dev is a associate and holds roughly half of the company, so he could decide that despite many were against it. in one of my last meetings with mr. big boss he was like "well, you know... I don't want to kick you out. sadly we "don't have a project to work on" for you (he said that while writing the qu
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> the air), but I know that you are freelancing, maybe you develop something in the future that could fit out company and has a market demand... you know, we could produce that in license or something...?
26:16 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, it was in march when I was told that I have to leave in a month, T3sl4 and coppice. but the employment got prolonged for some months so that I could finish my work on a project I am working on. which is finished now, so I'll definitely be gone on 30th of november
28:31 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: so, is that front panel for them, or for something after you leave?
29:25 <Ysjoelfir> No, its for "something" after I leave. said moderately priced, portable, reasonably specced two channel power analyzer the market demands.
29:34 <arch> T3sl4, wouldn't it be better for the voltage reference for Q3 to be fed not from vcc, but rather from a constant voltage source? https://i.imgur.com/ttQ37l1.png
29:50 <arch> im thinking the other LM358 unit, taking the voltage from TL431
30:01 <arch> and changing it down to a fixed ratio
30:26 <T3sl4> why did you invert it
30:30 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: there are a number of dead startups who had that plan :)
30:35 <arch> because it hurts my eyes otherwise
30:45 <T3sl4> you cant print that shit
30:58 <arch> i didnt convert the pdf obviously
31:05 <arch> it's a program on my pc
31:22 <T3sl4> right, it would be better as a fixed voltage, but that takes more transistors :)
31:52 <arch> staying true to your lab name, huh. well, it's nowhere near 7 transistors yet lol
31:53 <T3sl4> well there's alread VREF in there, that probably works with some adjustment. not sure why i didn't do that in the first place
32:38 <T3sl4> i don't remember if it helps that that one varies with supply voltage. THR is still proportional, mind
33:46 <Ysjoelfir> coppice: Probably? difference here is, that a) I have already some experience in the field of PAs, b) I have someone who is willing to spend quite some money for a good product and would help in developing/research. Also, I am doing this in my free time as my hobby, so if it fails, I won't have lost much, but gained experience, which is always great :)
33:49 <arch> it affects the frequency with voltage
36:06 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: IEC 61000-4-30 both helps and hinders. It provides a good specification target, but it also means you just need to make a IEC 61000-4-30 complaint product, and doing more doesn't get you very far
36:36 <arch> it's close to 150khz freq in steady state. on startup, when those caps are discharged, freq is close to 250khz
38:37 <Ysjoelfir> Thats correct. Though there are many customers that also use PAs for their internal quality control, development, research and so on. I myself have one at home and use it regularely for eg. efficiency measurements. sure, can be done with other metrology devices as well, but its pretty convenient using a PA for.. well.. Power analysis^^
40:42 <Ysjoelfir> I have used a PA for a development project in my bachelors thesis as well, to measure impedances on the base of single samples acquired over a very slow current sweep to analyse the behaviour of saturation
41:05 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: In my last job I proposed a metering chip that could put IEC61000-4-30 compliant analysis into every smart meter for less than $1. When we toured some customers with the spec for that device, the reaction was interest, but also that the stupid market wouldn't value the addition, due to which parts of a utility that pay for the meters. It was rather frustrating, although I had kind of expected the response.
41:35 <Ysjoelfir> Yeah, thats to be expected
54:51 <hsn> Some porno addict posted on my blog post
54:54 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/iJUi4XT
55:53 <rust_collector> well, at least it looks like someone read your blog now...
56:14 <rust_collector> it has a post and all
57:24 <hsn> He is a milf
58:40 <arch> how can a guy be a milf
59:01 <arch> maybe you meant milf hunter?
59:29 <rust_collector> maybe hsn likes "man"
59:47 <arch> ohh
59:49 <arch> naruhodo
00:00 <arch> understandable have a nice day
00:13 <hsn> Idk his email is moogy .. looke like female?
00:30 <arch> that would explain the lesbian porn descriptions
00:37 <rust_collector> hsn, WHY are you looking this much at that?
00:41 <arch> indeed
02:14 <T3sl4> yeah, spammers do that
02:54 <arch> way to crush his dreams man
07:49 <hsn> What u mean rust_collector ..
08:28 <rust_collector> Why have you not deleted that post, and went on to do other things already?
09:10 * rust_collector is eating dinner
11:52 <hsn> I dnt know how to delete the comment
12:58 <rust_collector> ok
17:45 <Ysjoelfir> same :D
18:03 <Ysjoelfir> (the dinner part)
18:26 <rust_collector> is it your-bab today?
18:56 <Ysjoelfir> no. its mashed potatoes, spinach and egg with bacon :)
19:30 <rust_collector> hmm
19:48 <rust_collector> how did you spinach?
20:04 <Ysjoelfir> defrost, heat up, add some nutmeg, eat. :P
21:26 <rust_collector> should be doable with a regular cutting torch
21:32 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
26:16 <rust_collector> otoh, I do not have a cutting torch, or spinach, and I just ate
30:29 <electrohead> o/
30:52 <Ysjoelfir> :P
31:00 <rust_collector> Pee:
31:01 <Ysjoelfir> did you enjoy your food?
31:08 <Ysjoelfir> also, hi mr. head!
31:17 <rust_collector> it was good, for being prefab
31:22 <rust_collector> hi mr head
31:52 <Ysjoelfir> mr. head, can I annoy you as well and ask for a statement about my user interface... "draft"?
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32:30 <rust_collector> he is not easily annoyed I think, but give it a try
33:02 <Ysjoelfir> I think its more everyone else in the channel that is probably annoyed by that :P
36:24 <rust_collector> I think he did a /Nothing, and fell asleep on his keyboard
36:45 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, probably
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36:53 <Ysjoelfir> oh no
37:12 <rust_collector> I wonder if he can cook...
38:44 <rust_collector> at least it is not like in italy, where they only have pizza and pine cones to eat. they have no food culture down there
38:58 <Ysjoelfir> indeed!
40:34 <jackbrown> anyone could help? I need to set an ebay auction and I need someone to correct my eglish pls can you help ?
43:58 <rust_collector> well, My english is not great... is it anythign complicated?
44:18 <rust_collector> oh, you might have to fix my typos when it is done
46:45 * Ysjoelfir pokes electrohead
47:19 <electrohead> whoops, I'm here, sorry
47:24 <electrohead> was looking at something
47:40 <rust_collector> did you try all the links hsn posted?
47:47 <Ysjoelfir> shame on you!^^
47:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
48:02 <electrohead> :P
48:16 <electrohead> a statement about your user interface?
48:19 <electrohead> uh oh, lol
48:36 <Ysjoelfir> yes. immagine fiddling my... knobs and pressing all my.. butons ;P
48:39 <electrohead> rust_collector: damn straight I can cook :p
48:51 * electrohead fiddles your jiggly-do
48:54 <rust_collector> eeh...... great
49:09 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rDwZq816iJaH3MB6D2NdoSIoNQ5EExhP/view?usp=sharing
50:03 <T3sl4> giggity
52:17 <rust_collector> you really should find a better scope to screen shot for that...
52:52 <Ysjoelfir> xD
53:04 <Ysjoelfir> maybe I should put one of the ZES screens into that
53:18 <rust_collector> or a snes
53:20 <Ysjoelfir> in fact... why wouldn't I do exactly that
53:21 <Ysjoelfir> lol
53:28 <rust_collector> a gameboy
54:17 <rust_collector> I am looking at maps again. now I want to go to schweinfurt
55:23 <Ysjoelfir> what would you want there?
55:43 <hsn> Didnt try any rusty .. but if u want i can copy and paste instead of writing them from screenshot
56:20 <hsn> Lol i thought thats for me
56:22 <hsn> Nvm
56:32 <rust_collector> done
56:43 <hsn> Woaaah Ysjoelfir
56:45 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I just like the name
57:03 <hsn> Now this is nice
57:13 <Ysjoelfir> huh?
57:21 <Ysjoelfir> what have I missed?
57:28 <rust_collector> cookies!
57:33 <Ysjoelfir> where!?
57:43 <rust_collector> you missed them, sorry
59:12 <hsn> This v3 loooks so much better Ysjoelfir
59:16 <rust_collector> I should figure out where the wifes...some kind of relatives live... I know it is somewhere in europe
59:42 <hsn> And orange on dark gray buttons are neat
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01:58 <rust_collector> some place just outside munich is called poing... that is a good name
03:04 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, you mean V4?
03:19 <Ysjoelfir> also rusty, yep, I already noticed that one as well, found it nice^^
04:17 <hsn> Ysjoelfir... First one was beta
04:22 <hsn> :p
04:50 <rust_collector> the last one is beta4
07:08 <Ysjoelfir> ah I see :P like version 1 is beta, version 2 is V1,...? :P
08:09 <rust_collector> pappenheim, where they live in cardboard houses
08:30 <Ysjoelfir> exactly that
09:29 <rust_collector> looking for some small village somewhere in germanistan would be much easier if I knew the name...
09:49 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: so what is this picture of, exactly?
10:30 <rust_collector> who cares? just criticize it
11:28 <electrohead> I can't if I don't know what's going on
11:44 <rust_collector> make him suffer
14:02 <rust_collector> lol, schnabelwald? where men wear coats in the dark?
17:28 <hsn> Ysjoelfir.. tbh i just mis count or missed one version ..
18:38 <hsn> Shame on you T3sl4 https://electrek.co/2020/10/24/tesla-collecting-insane-amount-data-full-self-driving-test-fleet/
19:34 * T3sl4 shrug
20:58 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, its going to be a power analyzer. what exactly do you need to know? :)
25:45 <hsn> Can you analyze my powers?
26:14 <electrohead> is there going to be a built-in rigol oscilloscope in this? lol
28:46 <rust_collector> a pigol
29:17 <rust_collector> яigol?
29:47 <Ysjoelfir> No.... Again (this is now the..... 9th time? I explain that): Its a mock up, I just needed something to be displayed there, so I just took a screenshot from my scope.
30:14 <electrohead> well I wasn't around when you explained it, and a lot of people chat in here, sorry?
30:25 <Ysjoelfir> SHAME ON YOU!!!!
30:36 <electrohead> it sucks, redo it all
30:42 <electrohead> lmfao
30:44 <rust_collector> mr head, he does not deal well with this stress
30:44 <electrohead> I joke
30:47 <Ysjoelfir> ok. :P
31:00 <electrohead> I just didn't realize it was a mock display :P
31:14 <rust_collector> do you have to have the screen on the same side as the buttons?
32:04 <electrohead> the GPIO connectors, are they going to be VGA connectors like on the picture? or, just a mock up as well?
32:08 <rust_collector> or the buttons and screen on the same side as the connectors
32:19 <Ysjoelfir> I guess thats what happenes when you are lazy and don't make your own display mockup :P
32:26 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think I get what you mean rusty?
33:02 <rust_collector> does it make any sense to put the connectors on the side of the box, or something?
33:04 <Ysjoelfir> mr head - not sure yet. I sized it now for a HD15 connector, but it might as well become eg. a DB...24 or whatever :)
33:34 <T3sl4> what are those for anyway
33:42 <T3sl4> like, monitoring? thresholds? triggers?
33:58 <Ysjoelfir> ah. that can probably make sense rusty, but that would make construction harder (at least the way I immagine this thing to be built), also I don't realy like how that would look
34:00 <T3sl4> you could end up with a whole ass logic analyzer or PLC or something, if you go too far down that route...
34:03 <rust_collector> when you plug in your joypads, to play pong
34:06 <Ysjoelfir> or do you mean the IO stuff?
34:20 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4: let me copy my explaination to that :)
34:46 <Ysjoelfir> The idea is to add a scripting function which can access (e.g.) the I/Os and display and calculate stuff using those, to be used in a custom menu. Its pretty usefull if you want to examine values in relationship to variables like temperature, RPMs, some logic signals, whatever.
34:57 <Ysjoelfir> just to get an impression what I mean by the custom menu, here are two examples from my soon to be ex employer. https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/media/images/startseitenbilder/anwendungen/273-38-ger-DE/Anwendungen_zes_full.png and https://www.zes.com/var/zes/storage/images/media/images/startseitenbilder/aktuelles/268-43-ger-DE/Aktuelles_zes_full.png
36:17 <T3sl4> so, wired to face buttons basically?
37:27 <Ysjoelfir> pardon?
37:44 <Ysjoelfir> (I might be to tired to understand everything the first time, sorry...)
38:12 <T3sl4> the wires, mason, what do they mean
39:03 <Ysjoelfir> which wires? :D I'm not getting it xD
39:18 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: mr head - not sure yet. I sized it now for a HD15 connector
41:56 <Ysjoelfir> The signals going into the GPIO could be used for tacho signals, frequency inputs, trigger signals or whatever, as well as I think about programming it that way that you could eg. send out a signal when some value is reached.
44:42 <Ysjoelfir> was that the answer to the question? :X
47:30 <rust_collector> ooh, I found the place... yay me!
47:39 <Ysjoelfir> which one was it?
48:18 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: my biggest question - is this going to be a proprietary product of yours, or are you going to open source everything?
48:23 <rust_collector> sigmaringen
48:25 <electrohead> other than that, good luck :)
48:37 <rust_collector> I think they used a different name, but...
49:34 <Ysjoelfir> That depends very much on "will mr. soon to be ex chef buy it and build it in license", electrohead. If not: I'll absolutely open source it.
50:51 <electrohead> yeah fair enough, lol
56:01 <rust_collector> I have to go to that place... they have a tree stump there
56:07 <rust_collector> https://www.google.com/maps/place/72511+Bingen,+Germany/@48.1090914,9.2734027,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNB9DXpTZLdOGFwsl6b1aiamgBmh9pAFd1UIyIE!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNB9DXpTZLdOGFwsl6b1aiamgBmh9pAFd1UIyIE%3Dw203-h270-k-no!7i3024!8i4032!4m5!3m4!1s0x479a3bf57ee96643:0x41f6bb7a5dfb3f0!8m2!3d48.1090914!4d9.2734027
56:41 <rust_collector> DHess_US, do you know a cindy hess?
58:26 <Ysjoelfir> lol, thats a cool stump XD
58:55 <rust_collector> i am not so sure, it looks stressed
59:11 <Ysjoelfir> slightly
59:11 <rust_collector> that place was in the place I was pretty sure it was not
59:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats always nice
01:01 <rust_collector> yeah. I have been scanning across, scrolling in, scanning...scrolling in...
01:03 <rust_collector> arrgh
01:57 <rust_collector> will you put rubber feet on top of your device, so you can stack them, or put a laptop on top of it?
02:20 <rust_collector> (and build in a cup holder)
03:00 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll put some under it :P
03:07 <Ysjoelfir> rubber feets I mean
03:12 <rust_collector> sure.
03:49 <rust_collector> and keep the jacks on the front, because if you put them on the side, they will always be on the wrong side
04:05 <rust_collector> GREaT idea! GO GO GO!
04:42 <rust_collector> I think something to keep stuff from sliding off it would be nice
05:07 <Ysjoelfir> I have worked with a device with side jacks, I found that somehow annoying. sure, more space on the front, but.. meh.
05:18 <Ysjoelfir> I like the sliding-protector idea though.
05:59 <Ysjoelfir> HAve several devices stacked and its always annoying when you push your 1000€ multimeter from your table because that 3000€ power analyzer under it is slippery
06:38 <rust_collector> maybe have rubber donuts underneath, and rubber nubs on top, that fit in the donuts, if you have several
06:53 <Ysjoelfir> I like that idea even more
06:54 <rust_collector> OR someting else
07:28 <rust_collector> yes, that is the best idea, because then people will buy several, so they can stack them like lego
07:47 <Ysjoelfir> heh _Ü
07:49 <Ysjoelfir> :P
07:54 <rust_collector> Å!
08:37 <rust_collector> aaand... is the front "up" when you carry it? do you need a front cover? as this is portable and stuff?
09:20 <Ysjoelfir> yes, and maybe. Though I don't think I would include one from the beginning, maybe as an option
09:22 <rust_collector> wire compartment in the front cover, maybe?
09:40 <rust_collector> cable... wahtever
09:57 * Ysjoelfir feels reminded of the good old 400 (?) series tek scopes
10:06 <rust_collector> right
10:23 <rust_collector> now find a tek screenshot
10:27 * Ysjoelfir adds that idea to the "Idea" list as well
10:39 <Ysjoelfir> lol. why not a lecroy one? :P
12:15 <rust_collector> did they have neat covers?
12:29 <rust_collector> oh
12:37 <rust_collector> well, pamela is getting old
12:39 <Ysjoelfir> no. but I loved the amber colored screens
14:06 <rust_collector> ok. I have seen pics, but I dunno how they are to use. I guess "yellow" should be easy to see.
15:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.amplifier.cd/Test_Equipment/LeCroy/LeCroy_9304A.html
15:51 <Ysjoelfir> they indeed had a cover :D
20:06 <rust_collector> that looks like it was something
21:03 <rust_collector> I did not know they made them is swissland
23:35 <rust_collector> I also did not know they had that much space to put your weed in
23:44 <Ysjoelfir> XD
24:34 <rust_collector> my crappy old kikisui is stuffed pretty much full of things
25:02 <rust_collector> and that has almost no features at all
25:19 <Ysjoelfir> well, thats progress for you! :D
26:37 <rust_collector> talking about that... I should still have a look at that switch... it is a bit flakey on channel 1
26:58 <Ysjoelfir> then go on and do that?
27:53 <rust_collector> yeah yeah... I can be quiet...
29:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats not what I meant to say :D
30:56 <rust_collector> this one goes to 11
31:20 <rust_collector> no, maybe you did not mean to say that, but it was what everyone was thinking. it is ok
32:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
34:04 <rust_collector> that cover makes a nice house for the cat
34:26 <Ysjoelfir> cats love everything thats remotely box shaped
34:42 * Ysjoelfir expects steve30 to pop up now, demanding to be petted
35:08 <rust_collector> bribe him with some coffee
35:16 <Ysjoelfir> :P
35:34 * T3sl4 pets Ysjoelfir
35:48 * Ysjoelfir purrs
35:57 <Ysjoelfir> erm
36:12 * Ysjoelfir grabs his cat, makes it purr because he can't purr himself
36:57 <rust_collector> don't wring your cat too far. they do not always flop back into shape
37:58 <rust_collector> gawd, this is an annoying amount of stuff to get out of the way, to get to the switches
40:14 <hsn> Switch my night
40:18 <Ysjoelfir> nah, he'll be fine. its a robust cat
40:46 <hsn> 7 soul cat
41:17 <hsn> Shrodinger cat .. can be killed twice
41:37 <rust_collector> well, that depends on how you see it
41:40 <hsn> Im high .. by nature
42:25 <hsn> No booze .. mind is just loose
43:26 <hsn> I dont sea it .. i sand it .. ok last one its silly
44:53 <Ysjoelfir> Hah, thats why I love you guys :D
50:23 <rust_collector> hmm, I think one contact "foot" is a bit bent in here
51:32 <rust_collector> maybe I can tweak that a little. but I guess this should be cleaned, after at least 3 decades,
51:48 <Ysjoelfir> could well be :P
51:58 <Ampera> morning
52:13 <Ysjoelfir> I think tomorrow I'll rebuild this workstation with the new mainboard and the 10GBit NIC... I hope I don't have to reinstall win... would be annoying
52:15 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
52:24 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir
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54:00 <rust_collector> hi Ampera
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58:25 * T3sl4 sends Ysjoelfir a gift from St. NIC
58:32 <Ysjoelfir> :P
58:42 <Ysjoelfir> is it a talisman that makes me not having to reinstall everything?
59:14 <T3sl4> you're kidding right? you brought that on yourself~
59:16 <rust_collector> it is a taliban, yes
59:39 * Ysjoelfir coughs
59:46 <Ysjoelfir> nooo, noooo... thats just immagination T3sl4 :D
01:21 <rust_collector> I can not find a singe date code in this thing
01:32 <rust_collector> no hsn... nooo
02:12 <T3sl4> why are you dating a thing
02:30 <rust_collector> less stress and nagging... why?
06:11 <rust_collector> week 27 of 1980... I think.. she is not full of wrinkles yet
10:40 <rust_collector> well, that was a stupid easy fix
11:24 <rust_collector> I should still do some cleaning. the pots are a bit... not clean
14:18 <Ysjoelfir> why bother cleaning things that insult you when you open the lid?
18:53 <hsn> Ampeeeeera mpeeaaa peraaa eraa raa aa
19:20 <Ysjoelfir> Echsn :D
20:17 <hsn> :d gnidden guys
20:45 <hsn> Gnidden is gm in turkish but i alwwys use it as gn to my wife ..
21:12 <rust_collector> ng dear
21:37 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
21:43 <rust_collector> hmm, do basic scope probes go bad with age much?
25:48 <rust_collector> it at least looks like they stay damn sharp at the pointy end
33:02 * Ampera hugs hsn
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59:21 <ibiza> what Windows AV is everyone using these days ?
04:48 <rust_collector> antivirus?
05:12 <ibiza> yup
05:35 <Ampera> When I last used Windows (I was using Windows 2016 on desktop) I never used an antivirus program. I found if you're simply not stupid and be responsible with what you download, don't rely on your browser's sandbox too much, nothing bad really happens
05:45 <rust_collector> well. In my case, unless windows comes with something, nothing at all
05:51 <Ampera> and indeed, during the entire time I used Windows 2016 I never once got any noticeable infection
05:53 <Ysjoelfir> same for me
06:09 <Ysjoelfir> never used any special AV since..... 2005?
06:25 <Ampera> They all tend to be far more annoying than actually having a virus
06:31 <Ampera> since I'd just fire, salt, and restore backup
07:25 <rust_collector> As I do not really use windows much, it does not have much chance to get infected by anything either.
07:26 <Ampera> now that I use Linux and FreeBSD for as much as I can, I don't tend to worry about it, as software is never downloaded from websites, and the body of written infections targeting desktop users is far slimmer
08:11 <Ampera> If I /must/ have an antivirus I'd pick Avast, as it tended to be the less annoying, more (seemingly) effective option when I did have an AV
08:22 <Ampera> back when i used win 7
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27:24 <rust_collector> heh, the siglent probes look exactly like the owon ones
30:33 <rust_collector> I guess they will do
35:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Algorithm™ must be desperate for views by recommending this. Don't get me wrong, it's a spot-on super relevant recommendation, 10 years ago. https://t.co/KATt4rbpUf
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45:36 <arch> never knew the 555 timer could be used for high side mosfet bootstrapping
45:51 <arch> that's dope af
46:16 * rust_collector stuffs dried breadcrumbs between archs toes
46:37 <arch> not sure how that would inconvenience me, but ok
47:06 <rust_collector> I get rid of them... that is all I care about
03:14 * T3sl4 drips egg on arch's be-breadcrumbed feet, deep fries them
03:36 <rust_collector> that could be annoying.
04:30 <T3sl4> my stomach was making the rumblies, that only feet would satisfy
04:42 <arch> halp, feet fetishist
05:24 <T3sl4> i (only very slightly) wonder how much overlap there is between the feet and vore communities
05:47 <T3sl4> a possible complication, does it count if the vores are eating people feet first?
06:23 * T3sl4 digresses
06:28 <arch> ._.
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16:49 <arch> what allows a mosfet to limit avalanche voltage to a certain level? is it the parasitic diode?
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41:44 <T3sl4> arch: more or less, yes
42:10 <T3sl4> however it causes injection of hot carriers into gate oxide and such, which degrade the device. avalanche isn't a repetitive thing, it's a wear thing
42:39 <Halcyon> *yawn*
42:48 * Ampera attack-kisses Halcyon 
44:50 * T3sl4 sings a https://youtu.be/_xlDJ9YMOVE to Halcyon
49:00 <Halcyon> Bah
50:00 <T3sl4> bah?!
50:01 <arch> naruhodo, arigato T3sl4 sensei
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29:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: This HAS to be useful for something? https://t.co/uNuS0t1Dy0
30:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Rare sight of filing cabinet breeding. https://t.co/fOzSaMxvmW
17:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: For those who want to read more into my tweet than intended, don't. I'm only saying that Australia cautiously reopened things & basically nothing happened in 7/8 states here, contrary to countless people at the time screaming it would be chaos. Many factors involved. YMMV greatly
34:44 <Halcyon> Ampera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvXMVDOhgJ4
35:03 <Ampera> seen it
35:12 <Halcyon> Look how cute the dog is :P
35:28 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
37:45 <steve30> yay kitty hugs
44:57 * T3sl4 meows at Halcyon
45:04 <Halcyon> :)
51:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It looks like zero progress, but it's at least hit double digit percentage. https://t.co/6G4hwQBzvp
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11:44 <Halcyon> Gawd Youtube is full of shit
13:01 <rust_collector> if you stay in my secret corner of youtube, it is only around 3/4 full of shit
20:16 <Halcyon> :P
20:29 <Halcyon> Youtube thinks I'm a new user so all the recommendations are garbage
20:55 <rust_collector> well, it will be interesting to see you change in the next week...
27:03 <Halcyon> :P
27:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Better add some more, I'm not sure they'll see it. https://t.co/mszJC2sqc0
30:03 <Halcyon> I wonder if that person wasn't supposed to park there?
30:44 <DogWomble> Yeah, YouTube has alot of garbage on it
32:31 <DogWomble> but rhen so is the global internet
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57:41 <coppice> T3sl4: Avalanche is not necessarily a wear inducing thing.
07:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Another car in trouble, this time elevated to building management. Maybe they figured everyone is still working from home. Or they are stuck in Victoria. https://t.co/HoG6FLF6pV
14:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I really liked these knobs, obviously. https://t.co/7BAhi1OXsO
26:03 <Halcyon> Puts a new spin on the saying "Eat a bag of dicks"
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38:47 <hsn> dicks?
40:22 <rust_collector> OI hsn, go to bed! wife will be unsatisfied with you running around on the internet
40:59 <hsn> She sleep she dont know im intercheating
41:16 <rust_collector> niiice
42:29 <hsn> I left my phone charging on an unplugged charger .. and
42:36 <rust_collector> heh
42:43 <rust_collector> that is good times
50:41 <rust_collector> well, good night, hsn and people
51:00 <hsn> Gniden
51:24 <rust_collector> I know, but good night anyway
51:35 <hsn> Its so dark for u
52:23 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/xHz399t
52:24 <rust_collector> it is nice and dark, yes. except those nasty led streetlights
54:19 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/52heDSy
55:10 <rust_collector> heh, this camera is too good to show darkness with, lol
55:19 <rust_collector> well, have fun.
58:12 <hsn> Cool and u too have a sleep
07:53 <rust_collector> I wish. I sort of have to get up tomorrow.
09:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Jeri Ellsworth: I never knew the Gary Kildall story. Very interesting. https://t.co/9PxLEhmHIF
40:46 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://twitter.com/YRN_Australia/status/1320600847814778881
40:49 <Halcyon> Birb
55:16 <hsn> https://youtu.be/ym64NFCWORY
55:20 <hsn> wtf
02:33 <Halcyon> I'm not sure how that's any quicker?
02:46 <Halcyon> It actually seems twice as slow compared to doing it by hand.
10:25 <hsn> well .. it doesnt eat food
10:36 <hsn> human does
10:57 <hsn> ^^ i mean i dont know what would be the argument xD
11:30 <hsn> "maybe" .. its good for military electronics .. these ppl love QC alot ..
36:46 <hsn> lol
36:56 <hsn> what im doing .. https://snipboard.io/R4E7lz.jpg
37:31 <Halcyon> Hah. at least you can admit it
41:59 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
42:47 <hsn> lol
43:08 <hsn> yeah .. this code was long time ago .. and thats the only comment at top of file
43:09 <hsn> xD
43:23 <hsn> i can allready see why its bad without going down
45:37 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
47:15 <hsn> steve30
48:32 <Halcyon> Back shortly, upgrading my switch firmware
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59:06 <Halcyon> Great success
13:39 <hsn> is it linux ?
35:04 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
39:35 <hsn> hello kai
39:38 <hsn> gnyden
40:41 <Ysjoelfir> hello Hassan :) Hope you have an üppr day!
40:48 <hsn> u 2 frnd
41:16 <hsn> im having uppr day allready .. my boss is voice chatting with somone for 40mins in indian
41:30 <hsn> and for me its just asjkdhdsajkhdajs jskdah jkshdjkas hjkdhaskj h but in loud ..
41:36 <hsn> with some english words
42:08 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D Is he wiggling his head while chatting?
04:00 <hsn> oh he is nice .. he says sorry he has speaking in indian to make the supplier understand
04:11 <hsn> and finally that call finished
05:04 <hsn> so the technician who made me controlled impedance cable for the RS485 com :D
07:07 <hsn> http://imgur.com/a/o5wATla
09:04 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, all of them do .. just different frequency and amplitude .. a very nice boss tbh ..
09:23 <hsn> i can play youtube all day and he dont speak to me :D
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20:27 <Charan> Hello
20:56 <Charan> I am new here
21:06 <Charan> can anyone tell me how this works
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25:50 <steve30> that was a short stay
28:04 <Ysjoelfir> that cable looks very nice :)
28:18 <Ysjoelfir> and I lsiten to youtube stuff as well, but with headphones^^
28:28 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, that was VERY short. oO
28:31 <Ysjoelfir> also, hi steve30 :)
36:40 <K> hello
36:45 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
36:46 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
36:51 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
44:53 <hsn> hello charan
44:53 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
44:59 <hsn> ok hello k ..
45:10 <hsn> i thought i will need to do hellow
45:10 <hsn> s
45:47 <Ysjoelfir> you always need to hello!
45:53 <Ysjoelfir> the need to hello is big!
47:39 <hsn> bot is lame
47:44 <hsn> eevblog is stupid
47:45 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, hsn!
48:16 <hsn> look at the sentence, i dont even have electrons anymore ..
48:32 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^ you are already emptied?
49:21 <K> hsn is totes positive!
49:26 <hsn> im ionized ?
49:27 <K> plasma!
50:14 <hsn> execuse me .. i was reading about this stuff lately https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
50:27 <K> the end is neigh
50:36 <K> everyone knows that!
50:57 <hsn> heeeeee
51:07 <hsn> brrrr
51:18 <hsn> hsn_horsesay hello
54:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, look im rude ..
54:28 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/TpcdqX.jpg
55:06 <Ysjoelfir> nah, its not that rude :D
55:31 <hsn> :D
19:45 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, .. wait my second try
20:06 <hsn> some one posted this : https://snipboard.io/dzQHa0.jpg
20:25 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/Jcjzk1.jpg
20:51 <K> is use of two dots a well known custom in the Bahraini culture?
21:19 <Ysjoelfir> lol hsn^^
21:36 <hsn> K, its my own culture ..
21:48 <hsn> but nice nottice
21:49 <hsn> ..
21:53 <K> oh.
22:25 <K> does the king approve of having your own culture, though?
22:39 <hsn> does it hurt him ?
22:57 <hsn> if it doesnt .. shake the chair ..
23:01 <hsn> he is setting on ..
23:05 <hsn> he wont care
25:27 <hsn> K, is FreeRTOS development is full of semaphores ... or im over using them ?
25:48 <hsn> im just moving to it ..
26:14 <K> dunno hsn, havent done that much with FreeRTOS
26:26 <hsn> other OS ?
27:06 <K> i've used bits if freertos in some porjects, others were so simple that freertos seemed like an overkill
27:57 <hsn> so how do u do coherent tasks .. no delay stuff that affect other threads without OS ?
28:47 <K> not really
28:59 <K> my mcus do one thing and one thing only most of the time
29:08 <hsn> my older software .. was based on flags .. so function get called .. and return if (timerFlag - millis() < someValue) ...
29:09 <K> dumb
29:16 <hsn> but that was instead of delays
29:41 <hsn> the code get pretty ugly as u can imagine :P
30:28 <K> i dont immediately see how semaphores will help this
31:28 <K> using interrupt priorities is the usual way i think, if your mcu supports them
31:52 <hsn> its actually like this before : https://snipboard.io/DuLmNW.jpg ----> and inside that scheduler_process_tasks() ----> https://snipboard.io/8cfInA.jpg
32:38 <K> some spankin is in order for placing multiple statmeents in one lien
32:57 <hsn> semaphores because for example i want to port my "flash log system library" which writes to the flash .. and dont want to get that function called from 2 places
33:07 <hsn> or the UART buffer ^
34:48 <K> how big is timer_millis() ?
34:59 <K> is it 64 bits?
35:25 <hsn> nah .. do u see overflow issue ?
35:28 <K> yea
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35:47 <K> rollover issue
35:52 <Guest|71798> hello
35:52 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Guest|71798!
35:57 <hsn> volatile uint32_t g_elapsed_ms = 0;
36:05 <hsn> how do i solve that K ?
36:20 <K> can you use uint64_t ?
36:35 <hsn> the rollover .. i mean its in my mind .. it will happen at U32_MAX .. but i dont know what "if condition" i should write for it xD
36:49 <hsn> but a 64 will also happen ?
36:53 <Guest|71798> hello i am trying to build a rf oscillator
37:09 <hsn> nvm it wont happen
37:37 <hsn> it will happen but after 584942417 years ..
37:38 <hsn> xD
37:42 <Guest|71798> i am getting a decent output when unloaded when i load the output with some resistance the output is getting distorted and is greatly attenuated
37:58 <Guest|71798> can you give me a suggestion on how to correct that issue
38:00 <hsn> Guest|71798, are u impedance matching ?
38:25 <Guest|71798> how to match impedances
38:39 <Guest|71798> i dont know output impedence of my oscillator
38:42 <K> https://pastebin.com/kUsgH9nd
40:14 <K> prolly should add interrupt disable/enable as well, just to be sure no funny business hapens during execution of it
40:15 <Guest|71798> how to know my oscillator output impedance
40:32 <hsn> Guest|71798, i dont know :D
40:36 <Guest|71798> sorry i think i am disturbing a conversation
40:48 <K> this assumes the millis64() will get caled often
40:51 <hsn> Guest|71798, dont worry i do it all time
41:17 <Guest|71798> i have another problem too
41:54 <hsn> K, ah .. ok so u dont do "u64" in millis() .. to make the code faster .. ?
42:29 <Guest|71798> i have an amplifier and an oscillator connected to same power lines. the output of the amplifier is also having the high frequency oscillations generated by the oscillator
42:29 <hsn> and only call milis64() few times .. to correct the situation .. instead of doing it every milli second
42:30 <K> on in avr-world millis() usually returns uint32
42:46 <Guest|71798> how to isolate the oscillator and other blocks
43:09 <K> um, i use millis64() everywhere i would use millis()
43:50 <K> if those extra cpu cycles spent in it are that important, then other solution should be investigated
44:13 <hsn> i see
46:20 <hsn> Guest|71798, is it sharing same return path ?
46:51 <Guest|71798> sorry i didnt get you what do you mean by return path
47:05 <Guest|71798> same power lines are used for both the blocks
47:37 <hsn> Guest|71798, https://youtu.be/CDqref32tPU?list=PL4ANPuWY00JOaS30ABfTPE0hv_aa1VjFT
48:13 <hsn> Guest|71798, https://youtu.be/icRzEZF3eZo
51:21 <Guest|71798> The circuit was built on a pcb
51:37 <Guest|71798> sorry it was not built on a pcb it was built on a breadboard
52:35 <Guest|71798> and i am not working with digital electronics
53:13 <hsn> Guest|71798, sorry im not expert to comment .. i dont even know how to build oscillator .. but i know that return current is important for high speed signals ..
53:23 <Guest|71798> i was tying to make a dsbsc modulator with center frequency of 12 MHz
53:27 <hsn> Guest|71798, its not related to digital .. its related to high speed signal
53:45 <Guest|71798> ok thank you hsn for your help
54:07 <Guest|71798> your video suggestions are good
54:30 <Guest|71798> is this a group chat
54:40 <hsn> its IRC chat
54:45 <Guest|71798> i am new here can you tell me how this thing works
55:18 <hsn> Guest|71798, type /nick <yourRealName>
55:35 Nick: Guest|71798 is now known as Charan
55:44 <hsn> O.o
55:47 <Charan> yes i done it
55:48 <hsn> Ysjoelfir,
55:55 <Ysjoelfir> yes sir?
55:58 <Charan> what is that
56:02 <hsn> so its u
56:03 <hsn> <Charan> Hello
56:03 <hsn> <Charan> I am new here
56:03 <hsn> <Charan> can anyone tell me how this works
56:22 <Charan> I am Charan
56:33 <hsn> u remind me of theCherno
56:45 <Ysjoelfir> [10:55:58] <Charan> what is that >> It is me. A superficial artificial inteligence.
57:04 <hsn> Charan, Ysjoelfir is our beloved bot
57:09 <hsn> you can chat with it ..
57:15 <Charan> ok
57:20 <K> 12MHz on a breadboard does not seem like a good idea
57:32 <Ysjoelfir> I am not made to chat. I only exist to obey the rules.
57:44 <Ysjoelfir> Also, I agree with K
57:57 <hsn> i agree with Ysjoelfir
58:15 <Charan> actually i am an electronic enthusiast
58:19 <Ysjoelfir> Lets create a loop. K, agree with hsn
58:25 <Charan> trying to make an am modulator
58:29 <K> i do, somewhat.
58:44 <Charan> can you help me on building one
59:09 <Charan> i have some basic theoretical knowledge on amplifiers oscillators etc
59:17 <hsn> Charan, all 3 of us suck at RF i think ? im not sure but i do suck :D
59:20 <Charan> but i dont have practical knowledge
59:55 <Charan> should i chat some other time
00:05 * hsn cries at corner ,, no practical or theory knowledge
00:18 <hsn> no Charan u can chat all time
00:35 <Charan> are only us active
00:45 <Charan> we
00:50 <K> Charan, take a look on prototype/test construction techniques for MHz ranges - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH110yjYZ2g
01:17 <hsn> that is a good video K
01:26 <Charan> ok i will look at it now
01:39 <K> you'll save yourself a lot of trouble fighting intermittent and varying parasitics in breadboard
01:50 <hsn> Charan, i've suggestion for u ..
02:08 <Charan> thats w2aew i know him and i see his videos
02:18 <hsn> take measurments .. of the issue .. pickup the noise .. put them in nice post in EEVBLOG forum ..
02:37 <Charan> ok i will try that
03:42 <Charan> ok thank you for your help friends
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05:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats a strange guy
06:44 <K> we've seen worse
08:20 <Ysjoelfir> true.
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14:13 <Ysjoelfir> Newest phenomenon in Germanistan: There are plans to build a Autobahn through a forest. People are pissed. Well, some, who are like "We don't want you to destroy that forest!!!!!" - but its a gigantic forest, there is already a road through it, and for building the autobahn it would only be needed to cut like... maybe 50 trees. They have been compensated on other forests already by planting 100 new trees. the people living there w
14:13 <Ysjoelfir> autobahn as it reduces traffic through the villages there. now there are "green" protesters, going onto Autobahn bridges, hanging huge signs down there like "Safe the forest!!!" or whatever, and even jump over the bridges, hanging on ropes and though hanging over the Autobahn.
17:22 <hsn> why u think strange ?
17:28 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ^
17:42 <Ysjoelfir> Recently there was an accident because a car crashed into the end of a truck which was standing at the end of the artificially created traffic jam. one person got heavily injured. https://imgc2.osthessen-news.de/images/20/10/xl/11638669-dsc-1449-4.jpg and https://imgc2.osthessen-news.de/images/20/10/xl/11638669-dsc-1436-2.jpg - and those protesters are like "THAT was not because of our protest, but because of the police closing th
17:42 <Ysjoelfir> autobahn, we are just protesting and peacefully hanging here!"
18:47 <K> holly shit that car got squished
19:08 <Ysjoelfir> hsn I dunno, felt like... I can't realy explain it, some people come in here and behave like they are insanely insecure and uncomfortable. that feels very irritating to me
19:17 <Ysjoelfir> exactly K. I wonder how that guy could even survive
20:41 <hsn> behave like they are insanely insecure and uncomfortabl << hmmm . didnt get it tbh ..
21:23 <hsn> he might got beaten over the internet for asking small tiny questions .. i did get that many times xD
24:13 <hsn> K, i think that was my "safe guard if conditions" talking about earlier : https://snipboard.io/a3mrnE.jpg
24:23 <hsn> celsius to frehninhite ..
24:46 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, is "fahrenheit" germanistan word origin ?
25:15 <Ysjoelfir> good question.
25:24 <Ysjoelfir> yes
25:35 <hsn> yeah .. fuhlers ..
25:37 <hsn> :D
25:41 <Ysjoelfir> it was called after german physicist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit
26:19 <hsn> i dont know what fuhler means .. i think all german words contain this "fohler" thing
26:20 <hsn> xD
26:43 <hsn> all = lot
28:25 <hsn> ich muss noch drei tage hler bleiben
28:31 <hsn> oh yeah
28:41 <hsn> this is nice .. i wanna learn ur language
30:10 <hsn> what the heck is hler means : https://snipboard.io/xmjLgW.jpg
35:18 <Ysjoelfir> then do :D but not with that strance website :D
35:48 <Ysjoelfir> because they can't even display standard german letters, like Ä Ü and Ö
36:35 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, whats the difference between .. dutch and german
37:07 <hsn> https://www.language-exchanges.org/user/register ^^ im registering here .. and saw both available ?
37:11 <Ysjoelfir> the words there are Gaskühler, Kühler, Fühler, schön, Geschichtenerzähler, and some "hier", which means "here", which for some reason got converted to hLer, which is just nonsense :D
37:31 <Ysjoelfir> dutch is what people in the netherlands speak
37:44 <hsn> why i thoought its german ?
38:11 <Ysjoelfir> its german, but spoken with a sponge in the mouth, so nobody speaking german understands it. its simmilar to what norwegians think about danish people.
38:14 <hsn> Deutsch
38:21 <hsn> ^ thats why
38:32 <Ysjoelfir> heh :P
38:57 <hsn> so dutch is not Deutsch
39:03 <Ysjoelfir> in english its "german" and "dutch", in german its "Deutsch" and "Holländisch" or "Niederländisch"
39:13 <Ysjoelfir> nope. its the language of the netherlands (and parts of belgium)
39:51 <hsn> lol
39:53 <hsn> ok
40:33 <hsn> this dutch is the language in germany information is burried in my mind for almost 10 years now
41:09 <Ysjoelfir> then delete it :P
42:00 <Ysjoelfir> and don't try to learn dutch^^ though its a very interesting language, its not very usefull in europe as its only spoken in very few places, while german is at least kind of common. also, learning dutch is WAY easyer when you already can speak german
43:24 <hsn> why one i should learn .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuGmc662HDg
44:12 <hsn> lexion ince
44:26 <hsn> oh yeah i speak german ..
51:26 <Ysjoelfir> so now you can greet me in german? :D
51:38 <hsn> i can say .
51:40 <hsn> wait ..
51:45 <hsn> gutten baiden
52:06 <hsn> abend lol
52:32 <hsn> good morgen is easier
52:39 <hsn> gutten morgen
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
53:39 <Ysjoelfir> though her pronounciation is a BIT off. but its still not bad :D
53:59 <hsn> which one ?
54:02 <hsn> oh
54:02 <hsn> her
54:05 <hsn> darn
54:18 <hsn> ok .. dont worry i will add my spices anyway
54:19 <hsn> :D
54:35 <Ysjoelfir> its just slightly. you notice that this person is not a native speaker, but probably an english speaking person.
54:50 <hsn> arabic gets into any language i learn ..
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