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02:41 <hsn> rust_collector, why u dont trust me ?
03:08 <hsn> im hardworking lazy guy !
03:11 <rust_collector> I am not allowed to tell
03:29 <NeroTHz> have HDD prices gone up during covid?
04:24 <hsn> NeroTHz, HDD got upset from SSD and decided to go bananas
04:45 <hsn> upset from ppl worshipping SSD ***
05:15 <NeroTHz> damn, switching to 6x4TB would cost me 600 bucks
05:17 <NeroTHz> hmmphh
05:33 <hsn> go cloud
06:13 <NeroTHz> cloud is slow
06:15 <hsn> do i need to do this NAS / RAID stuff ?
06:21 <NeroTHz> you don´t have to
06:30 <hsn> but its cool ?
06:44 <NeroTHz> I did it because I got a NAS cheap and three years ago I was running 3 computers at the same time
06:53 <NeroTHz> so it was usefull to have files accessible on the network
06:55 <rust_collector> just had a quick look at prices here, and it looks like the cheap drives are even cheaper now, the expensive ones, I can not compare, because there was nothing like them, the last time I looked
07:51 <rust_collector> I think the price is not much different to last year,
10:31 <NeroTHz> I really should just start by measuring the consumption of my NAS
10:35 <NeroTHz> it might not be as bad as I think
11:50 <NeroTHz> a NAS using 100 W of power being on 24/7 would cost me around 150 euros a year
12:36 <rust_collector> but would it use 100w all the time?
12:46 <NeroTHz> I don´t know what the idle consumption would be
14:22 <rust_collector> I thought they would spin down the drives, and slow down if it was idle for xx time. I guess it depends on how you set it up, and if you let it "go to sleep"
14:49 <NeroTHz> well, I think the HDDs even when spun up would only use a few watts each, it´s mostly idle consumption of the CPU
15:22 <NeroTHz> (my nas is not some modern home-office one, it´s a huge rack-mount enterprise thing with a full intel server grade CPU and redundant powersupplies)
15:51 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
29:34 <rust_collector> I guess 150 is not that bad, if you actually use it.
30:56 <NeroTHz> indeed. but that is assuming its just 100W
31:12 <NeroTHz> and it still does leave me with a noise problem, but I´m wondering now if I can fix that by just unplugging some fans
31:23 <NeroTHz> the thing is designed to have like 10 gbit/s throughput running all the time
31:39 <NeroTHz> I ḿ sure the load of just me is not going to push it hard, and it´s not like it´s in a hot serverroom
36:44 <rust_collector> right
37:22 <rust_collector> I know some server things freak out of a fan goes bad, or if one is not there, but that would be easy to test, I guess
39:45 <steve30> i'm tired
40:16 * rust_collector coffees steve30 aggressively
00:35 <NeroTHz> another random question
00:46 <NeroTHz> does anyone know why it´s such an absolute pain to find wood boards that are wider than 60 cm
01:08 <NeroTHz> all hobby-diy-buidling stores either stock wood in huge 2mx3m boards, or in 3mx60 or smaller\
01:19 <rust_collector> because we cut down all the large trees?
01:39 <rust_collector> oh, glued together things is ok?
01:47 <NeroTHz> yeah this is not single-board stuff
01:54 <NeroTHz> but like glued together bits
01:58 <rust_collector> right
02:24 <rust_collector> well, I guess people want their minimalist japan style table?
02:31 <NeroTHz> (my gf and I are making desks in her apartment since we have been told that have to work from home from now on and are not allowed to go to the office)
02:45 <NeroTHz> all those ikea desks seem to be like 60cm deep, which is waaaay short
03:25 <rust_collector> will you keep these desks, or it is a temporary thing?
03:32 <NeroTHz> unclear to be honest
03:49 <NeroTHz> to be frank, I´m renovating a house which will probably be more comfortable to live in than her appartment
04:08 <NeroTHz> and it seems likely that in a year or so we might even sell both and look for a big thing together, if our relationship works out
05:39 <rust_collector> remember that you will never have enough space. but you will always have more than enough junk to fill any space you have.
06:58 <rust_collector> well, my point was, do you want to make a nice desk, or do you just want to throw a door on saw horses and use it?
07:17 <rust_collector> doors make nice enough benches...
08:26 <NeroTHz> somewhere in between
08:46 <NeroTHz> right now we are looking to just buy low-grade oak (not asin bad, but visually not top-tier) boards and put 4 legs on each
09:02 <NeroTHz> you can get 200x80 boards, 28mm thick, for 100-140 bucks
10:04 <rust_collector> remember that "real wood" will move. Just plan on it happening, and it will be fine.
10:53 <rust_collector> but yes, if you want screw on legs, that shoudl work fine
10:57 <NeroTHz> yeah but it should be fine with just 4-6 legs under a big board, it´s not like we are making built-in cubbords into the room or whateve
11:06 <rust_collector> sure
12:46 <rust_collector> Now, not that I do this very often, but I tend to put 3 legs in the back, and 2 in the front, a bit in from the ends. It seems to work best for me. it keeps my toes on my feet, and it supports the top well enough
14:17 <rust_collector> well, if you are going to put it in a corner, I would probably put the legs on the end.
14:51 <rust_collector> well. have fun with that
26:42 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, do you have any bench plans going on, now that you have turned to the dark side, with woodworking
27:05 <Ysjoelfir> xD no, not realy. I have.... wait a sec
27:47 <rust_collector> la la lala laaaa
29:10 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bKarGLdB5E38Xi8RL8LY6-nU6J6bNcem/view?usp=sharing this
29:43 <Ysjoelfir> its an old kitchen cupboard, mounted onto wheels, with holes and inserts for mounting a vise, a drillpress, metal shears and so on
29:51 <Ysjoelfir> Want to upgrade that though
30:50 <rust_collector> yeh... but that will work
31:32 <rust_collector> I like the shears in the middle of everything, lol
31:56 <Ysjoelfir> the shears are not mounted now :P its just standing there^^
33:07 <rust_collector> bolt it to a bench, with the handle up against the wall, just to annoy people. put pics on instaface, about your ultimate shop blahblah
33:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD
37:32 <rust_collector> I probably have to find something like that, I am doing much more shit-metal work than I want to do with "scissors"
38:35 <Ysjoelfir> it was hard to find here. was searching on ebay for like... a year?
38:41 <rust_collector> part of me want the kind with wheels, and not the blade, but... I dont know
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to have one of those with the curved blade. they seem to be so much more usefull
39:27 <rust_collector> yeah, the old ones are not sold often, unless it is scrap, or very very expensive
39:29 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hVeWufC4E0 this kind
39:55 <Ysjoelfir> we're having visitors btw, so I'll be silent for a bit again :P
39:58 <rust_collector> oh, well, yeah, I guess that helps also
40:12 <rust_collector> ok, say BOO! from me
41:15 <Ysjoelfir> they say hallo :P
41:38 <rust_collector> how very creative....
41:41 <rust_collector> have enjoys
44:23 * T3sl4 feigns shock in response to rust_collector's exclamation
13:23 <electrohead> o/
27:04 <rust_collector> hoiioo
40:31 <electrohead> hoiya
40:32 <electrohead> :p
41:15 <rust_collector> oioioio!!!
41:59 <rust_collector> arrrgh. so.. i am looking at tools again, and I am as usual spending more time doing that than it takes to just use a hand saw, and "just do it"
12:25 <electrohead> looking at tools online?
12:31 <electrohead> purchase as much as you can, lol
18:36 <rust_collector> yeah. I sort of should have one of those fein saws. But I think they are stupid, so I don't. But I keep running into things where one would be handy more and more
22:45 <rust_collector> I guess they are fine, if you use them as a saw, and not "multitool" as they are often named
24:25 Join: jackbrown ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
27:01 <jackbrown> hello, how many AMPS should be the 250V fuse on the switch ON/OFF on this soldering station ? https://it.aliexpress.com/item/32965237449.html?
28:39 <NeroTHz> all of them
29:08 <DHess_US> Hmm, caught a mouse with two mouse traps.
29:11 <NeroTHz> https://www.amazon.com/Mersen-Photovoltaic-600VDC-Ampere-Diameter/dp/B00F5CU12A
29:14 <NeroTHz> I suggest one of those
29:54 <jackbrown> NeroTHz: sure for my industrial implant it's fine
31:18 <rust_collector> 3A should work, does it come without a fuse? just look at it, and read what it is?
31:42 <DHess_US> 3A slow blow but I would use a larger fuse
31:58 <DHess_US> The fuse needs to protect against the fault current, not the operating current.
33:33 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes it has a fuse, I have to check, plus I built a Lap PSU that is 36V 5A which fuse should I put into the switch? The switch came with a 10A
34:01 <jackbrown> What do you guys think about this soldering station ? Garbage or good ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKf0PxHXVZc
36:39 <rust_collector> it is probably fine. It is not super-awesome, but it will probably work for most things.
37:12 <rust_collector> and, for the lab psu, we need pics, because... I like pics.
38:19 <jackbrown> rust_collector: It's a DS5005 I assembled it
38:30 <jackbrown> rust wait
38:32 <rust_collector> oh. ok.
39:34 <rust_collector> I used a little 3003, but when I turn it on, it says 3005 on the screen, lol. anyway, it works.
41:26 <rust_collector> pretty neat little thing. I think it probably is noisy, but... it depends on what you will use it for, I guess?
43:10 <jackbrown> rust_collector: https://ibb.co/gJdTJzC
43:10 <jackbrown> https://ibb.co/QpF4wwJ
43:10 <jackbrown> https://ibb.co/v1270bn
43:43 <jackbrown> rust_collector: this is my first lab PSU, but I can't complain
44:45 <rust_collector> it will power a lot of stuff.
45:20 <jackbrown> rust_collector: it's pretty handy even if it's "just" 35V 5A
45:28 <rust_collector> I think I used the same power supply for mine. it does look very similar
45:54 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yeah it was cheap 10$ and it worked fine, there was even a version with 48V 5A if i'm not wrong
46:09 <jackbrown> rust_collector: so what about the 250V fuse ?
48:10 <jackbrown> rust_collector: https://it.aliexpress.com/item/32799552603.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d0zsvtm
48:13 <rust_collector> yeah, good question. 10 is probably fine.. I would think.
48:38 <NeroTHz> Wanna just check something again regarding display cable standards
49:00 <NeroTHz> but HDMI-DP cables tend to be mostly passive right? just a connector wireing-trick?
49:22 <NeroTHz> when you get such an HDMI-miniDP cable, can you still use the DP-daisy-chaining functionality?
50:43 <jackbrown> rust_collector: isn't too big?
50:59 <jackbrown> the AC/DC board it's just 36V 5A MAX
52:16 <rust_collector> well, you could probably use something smaller, but that thing gets a LOT of current when you turn it on.
53:21 <rust_collector> (it makes my lights flicker)
54:14 <rust_collector> hmm, iIrc, there is a fuse on the board? maybe use one that is similar or a tiny bit less than that?
55:00 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I'm thinking to replace the fuse that is in the switch on the back, it has a kind of drawer whet it is
55:42 <jackbrown> rust_collector: anyway you are right the board already has a fuse
55:46 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I forgot
55:52 <rust_collector> yes, but the board itself has a fuse... if you use a fuse that is similar to that... in the drawer?, probably one that is a tiny bit smaller
57:25 <jackbrown> rust_collector: the fuse that is in the drawer it's 10A so I think it's too big, if something happens 100% the board fuse will blow, If I want to protect the board fuse I should put in the drawer a smaller fuse, am I right?
57:45 <rust_collector> iIrc, the transistor-ish things were not screwed very well to the heat sinks on mine. maybe you want to check that
58:01 <rust_collector> yes, that is right. use one a little bit smaller than the one inside
59:32 <jackbrown> rust_collector: thanks for the advice I will check the connection between the transistors and the heat sink and maybe I'll put some good thermic paste
00:36 <jackbrown> rust_collector: changing topic, may I ask you 1) what do you think about copper tips ? 2) what do you think about this rework station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKf0PxHXVZc
01:16 <rust_collector> copper tips?
01:28 <rust_collector> for a soldering iron?
01:45 <jackbrown> rust_collector: full copper tip, I bought it and I left into a drawer, now I'm starting to use it and I'm really happy!
02:59 <rust_collector> well, as long as it does not corrode, I guess it is fine? be careful if you use a more aggressive flux, as the tip will disappear
03:59 <jackbrown> rust_collector: kind of this https://it.aliexpress.com/item/33046059010.html
04:36 <rust_collector> copper is copper...
05:12 <rust_collector> that station is probably ok. it is like any chinese thing, it will probably work well enough for hobby stuff
05:22 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ok thanks for the advice, but once you start to use it the whole tip turn into brown/blackish color since it oxidize exposed to air, less the tip that remain full of solder and it's shiny, I think they are better of the common tips
05:31 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ok
06:00 <jackbrown> rust_collector: could I know which soldering station do you own/use mostly?
08:26 <rust_collector> i use a very cheap yihua 936, for small things. for larger things, I use various old irons, up to 500W or so.
09:03 <rust_collector> but I am barely a hobbyist, you should not ask me what I do, because I drive trucks for a living
09:35 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ah ok, 500W ?? are you sure ?
14:37 <rust_collector> yes, it is a BIG old thing. used to melt lead for roofing things. i wonder if they call them solder hammers?
15:06 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ahhh ok it's welding then!
16:48 <NeroTHz> no, that is not welding
16:51 <rust_collector> no, welding is a different process. but yes, it is not ideal for tiny smd things
17:14 <rust_collector> it is nice if you have to desolder a heatsink or something like that
18:01 <rust_collector> as it is a... i don't know, half a kilo of copper, at high heat, so it does not cool down as soon as you touch a big metal part
21:00 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I got it, a big tool for big jobs
21:10 <rust_collector> right
21:34 <rust_collector> i do not use it every year, but it is nice for those times you need it
25:12 <jackbrown> rust_collector: are you Thor? https://alumsolder.eu/_photo_small/soldering_iron500/PJ500_2-840x560.jpg
25:34 <jackbrown> rust_collector: or maybe this https://ce8dc832c.cloudimg.io/fit/640x480/n@cc455203b7b559ff74c2bdfcdb83e10e94816ef5/_cdn_/0E/D4/20/00/0/151008_1.jpg
26:19 <rust_collector> well, I am probably older than those things. i do look a lot like thor, when he was crossdressing
27:06 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/2fe9nwjcdvt51.jpg
27:28 <rust_collector> heh
27:46 <rust_collector> That is not a thing I have thought about before, lol.
28:29 <rust_collector> I guess garlic could be a good thing there.
29:43 <rust_collector> that is like rubbing chilli powder into your eyes, if you get a paper cut. Ok, it could do something, but it is not the first thing I would think of doing
32:40 <T3sl4> explains why we eat so much of it :)
33:13 <rust_collector> it does?
33:15 <rust_collector> ok
33:45 <T3sl4> or some of us anyway
33:47 * T3sl4 garlics Ampera
34:28 <rust_collector> i garlic a bit, but I did not know that was the reason.
34:46 <rust_collector> jackbrown, are you in italy?
35:37 <NeroTHz> https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf6.myportfolio.com/06a891c6-6a53-4a96-9141-420eba3ae965/ad83e39f-92f8-4b5d-9ab0-b40f409e84c6.jpg?h=d36bcad6c4c092d49aea2413b0ce51b3 new photo day
38:04 <rust_collector> I wonder if my screen has a dp out port... that could be handy. I never looked at what dp can do
38:25 <NeroTHz> it´s a pretty recent thing I believe
39:10 <NeroTHz> my main monitor, which is a 4 year old dell Ultrasharp (so their top-of-the-line back then) doesn´t have it. My dads monitor, which is the 1-generation newer version, does have it
39:19 <rust_collector> ok
39:47 <rust_collector> this is a dell something. i got it from work, so it is probably not exactly new
40:44 <rust_collector> but. I did look at dp splitters, and no one locally sell them any more. which I thought was interesting
41:36 <T3sl4> NeroTHz, tusk tusk tusk
42:34 <NeroTHz> T3sl4, https://tusk-ic.com/
42:55 <T3sl4> buh
48:52 Quit: jackbrown ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
52:31 <rust_collector> I wonder where he is from... I get a load of links from italy, but he also send some french ones.
18:29 <Ysjoelfir> the brown one?
18:50 <rust_collector> yez
19:25 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: I wonder that as well
19:30 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector: ;P
19:42 <rust_collector> I have asked him twice....
22:40 <rust_collector> so, did you get tired of having people over, and booted them out?
26:12 <rust_collector> oooh! https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=192407881
26:34 <rust_collector> that will snip your toe nails
39:12 Join: jackbrown ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
47:24 * rust_collector is still looking at soup the wife made. it will be done any day now
04:34 <rust_collector> I should hide some of this in the slow cooker, and it will be perfect on...thursday
04:39 * Ampera bosc pears T3sl4 
04:52 <T3sl4> \o/
04:57 Join: Nero_ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
07:56 Quit: NeroTHz ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
23:30 <Ysjoelfir> nope, still visitors here, rust_collector :D but we're done with the game now. time for eat! send some of the soup over please.
23:58 <rust_collector> zooop
28:34 Quit: Nero_ ([email protected]) EOF from client
31:55 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, the thing at the start of this is what I mean by "round" shears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnenDxJasms
32:27 <Ysjoelfir> ah, I see :D
44:22 Join: enhanox ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
49:30 Join: Guest|59699 (Guest59699`[email protected]) to #EEVblog
49:43 <Guest|59699> Hello?
49:43 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Guest|59699!
50:37 <Guest|59699> Does anyone know if EEVblog has done a review on this guys products? PMMG4HYBRID on youtube? He has videos about Silicon Crystal graphite battery and a bunch of other stuff.
50:43 <Guest|59699> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uItJj8PeU0
56:25 <rust_collector> I have no idea. I do not watch eevblarrgh videos much
58:11 <Guest|59699> I tried searching through EEVblog videos but couldn't find one. Possibly there is one and I'm just not searching correctly
58:26 <Ysjoelfir> Why would he do a video about that?
59:05 <enhanox> for the lulz?
59:22 <Guest|59699> He has one about a "Self charging battery" here https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/
59:40 <Ysjoelfir> Well... one should be enough I guess :)
59:42 <Ysjoelfir> wait
59:43 <Ysjoelfir> enhanox?
59:48 <Guest|59699> Just would like his analysis on it cause the "Silicon Crystal graphite battery" seems too good to be true
59:54 <Ysjoelfir> you're at the wrong server!
00:08 <enhanox> Ysjoelfir - you're imagining things, you're actually in (the other) #eevblog >_>
00:12 <Ysjoelfir> it is to good to be true.
00:20 <Ysjoelfir> :O oh no!
00:24 <rust_collector> This is EEVpizza
00:28 <Ysjoelfir> damn
00:31 <enhanox> well, that's fitting
00:32 <rust_collector> wth are you people on about?
00:34 <Ysjoelfir> sorry, I'll leave
00:36 <enhanox> because the other one is #eevgob
00:52 <enhanox> so I'm glad we all agree that food is tasty
01:05 <Guest|59699> I do like food
01:11 <Guest|59699> yes
01:16 <rust_collector> mmmh, foood
05:49 Quit: jackbrown ([email protected]) Connection closed
06:07 <Guest|59699> mm well thx for the responses have a good one
30:46 Quit: Lord_of_nothing ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
31:04 Quit: Guest|59699 (Guest59699`[email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
44:47 <T3sl4> an enhanox!
45:20 <rust_collector> are they rare?
45:43 <Ysjoelfir> here they are.
45:50 <Ysjoelfir> over there they are common as dirt
45:52 <T3sl4> i've only ever seen one
45:53 <enhanox> a T3sl4!
46:06 * T3sl4 unhugs enhanox
46:09 <Ysjoelfir> careful enhanox, its missing its coil!
46:11 * enhanox is the one and only
46:27 * enhanox drops a curly bit of wire on T3sl4 
46:37 <enhanox> (with rubber gloves, obviously)
46:40 * T3sl4 oinks electromagnetically
47:57 * enhanox stands at a safe distance, admires the light show
52:35 * rust_collector plays hnefatafl, by himself, in the darkness
53:27 * T3sl4 greets rust_collector's darkness as a friend
53:59 * Ysjoelfir sings "Hello darkness my old friend..."
54:48 <rust_collector> you should release that... on cassette
55:48 * Ysjoelfir powers up his Grundig CF5500
56:29 <rust_collector> heh, always reaching for the austrian solution
57:00 <T3sl4> as long as it's not a final solution
15:00 <coppice> Final solution, 5% WW
18:49 <enhanox> ah, bollocks, there's a coppice here too? ;)
19:10 <enhanox> (I knew there was, I'm capable of reading the user list, I'm just disappointed ;)
19:18 <Ampera> woah
19:25 <Ampera> enhanox?
19:32 <enhanox> shutyetmouth, Ampera
19:37 <enhanox> *yer
19:39 <Ampera> :X
19:51 <enhanox> my typing ability doesn't improve when I switch networks
20:01 <enhanox> but I'll hear no insults ;)
20:02 <Ampera> doesn't get worse at least
20:29 <enhanox> I'd hope not
21:31 <enhanox> anyway, your mother sucks
21:40 <enhanox> at operating emulators
21:42 <enhanox> >_>
22:02 <Ampera> my mother sucks at far more than just that
22:05 <Ampera> being a mother, for instance
22:17 <enhanox> ah, I see how this is going to work
22:30 <enhanox> there I was, just trying to get into the spirit of being Australian
22:44 <enhanox> but here you are agreeing, where's the fun in insulting people like that? ;)
23:01 <enhanox> I didn't even call everybody cunts when I joined, and I thought that'd be appreciated
23:04 <Ampera> the spirit of being australian is mostly just having shitty internet
23:23 <Ampera> well I installed a bunch more cores, and it still only picked up ROMs for 3 systems
23:28 <Ampera> so oh well
23:32 <enhanox> yeah, it sucks a bit
23:50 <enhanox> but it expects your ROM collection to be spot on
24:12 <Ampera> you're telling me the ROMs I totally ripped by hand from my absolutely
24:12 <enhanox> probably a bit rude to carry on this convo here
24:19 <Ampera> extensive collection that actually exists isn't spot on enough?
24:25 <Ampera> how so
24:34 <enhanox> I'm saying you've got pirates games out your arse and they're probably not legit
24:58 <enhanox> *pirated
25:25 <Ampera> if you're under the impression this channel has a topic, it's as off-topic as the other one is/was
25:46 <enhanox> as if I'd expect any #eevblog to be on-topic
26:01 <enhanox> I've already seen one person in here saying they don't watch eevblog
26:01 <Ampera> only EEVBlog is ever on topic
26:09 <Ampera> I don't watch eevblog much either
26:14 <Ampera> I like him, what he does, his community
26:22 <Ampera> just not his hour long videos on stuff I have little interest in
26:31 <enhanox> hour long videos are good
26:36 <Ampera> they can be
26:41 <enhanox> I mean, not necessarily his
26:56 <enhanox> but I don't wish to discourage long-form videos, they're potentially interesting
27:03 <enhanox> and educational
27:19 <Ampera> btw my cat did a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNagG4b8fU
27:32 <Ampera> not sure if you saw it when I posted it in afternet, but I'm posting it here anyways
27:44 <enhanox> I already saw that, laaaaaaame ;)
28:01 <Ampera> you made no mention I recall so I wasn't sure
28:12 <enhanox> this is true, I didn't acknowledge it
28:17 <enhanox> but I did see it
29:02 <Ampera> if I were to say I sometimes think there's something wrong with my cats I'd be lying
29:07 <Ampera> because I always think there's something wrong with my cats
29:12 <enhanox> I didn't think cats were that into vegetables tbh
29:40 <enhanox> I'd eat them, but I wouldn't necessarily expect cats to
29:59 <rust_collector> I want to see a cat eating banana
30:18 <enhanox> there you go, Ampera, a new challenge ;)
30:29 <Ampera> I try not to feed my cats thing they shouldn't be eating
30:40 <Ampera> she just happened to decide that those beans were good chomping material
30:40 <enhanox> are bananas dangerous to cats?
30:46 <Ampera> they're not a health food
31:04 <Ampera> idk about dangerous, but I wouldn't really make it a habit to start eating cat food
31:34 <rust_collector> you would have to start bodybuilding, if you wanted to eat cat food very much
31:35 <enhanox> I ate cat food once, I chucked it up in my mate's garden, his father was apparently displeased
31:51 <Ampera> well on the bright side you did as a cat would do
31:56 <enhanox> hah
33:12 <enhanox> it was dry cat food, if that matters
33:21 <enhanox> I imagine the wet stuff would've been more enjoyable
34:06 <T3sl4> enhanox: I didn't even call everybody cunts when I joined, and I thought that'd be appreciated <-- the calling everyone that, or the not calling everyone that? :P
34:07 <enhanox> I'm pretty good with gellified meats
34:28 <enhanox> T3sl4 - the calling everyone that, you know, when in Rome... ;)
35:03 <enhanox> T3sl4 - but I thought it might be a bit aggressive if some here were international
35:06 <Ysjoelfir> I'm off to bed. gn8 all
35:11 <enhanox> cheerio, Ysjoelfir
35:15 <T3sl4> nite, cunt :)
35:17 <Ampera> actually austnet has a bunch of nodes out outside of australia
35:42 <rust_collector> how do we use only those?
35:48 <Ampera> er
35:50 <Ampera> half anyways
35:53 <Ampera> one in the US, one in Japan
35:55 <Ampera> then two in Australia
36:08 <enhanox> I'm British, therefore cunt is not necessarily an overly aggressive word, and this is an Australian server where it's definitely less aggressive
36:23 <Ampera> also for some reason the austnet website says BitchX is the most popular client for Unix
36:25 <Ampera> since when?
36:40 <enhanox> but I thought with various Europeans, Americans, and maybe Asians, it might be a bit much :P
36:53 <Ampera> it also advertises XChat for Windows too, who the hell made this list
37:04 <T3sl4> has the website been updated as often as their choice of chat protocol? :)
37:25 <enhanox> also, hold fire, I'm off to my bar area, because this bedroom area is boring
38:11 <T3sl4> the bar area is boring too, but it has alcohols? :P
38:54 * Ampera throws a greenbean at T3sl4 
39:10 * T3sl4 steams it, then dips it in melted butter
39:34 * Ampera steams T3sl4 and then dips him in melted butter
40:12 <T3sl4> oooh, hot AND lotioned :3
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42:19 <enhanox> oi oi
43:43 <Ampera> wanted to play some galaga
43:57 <Ampera> since I have zero clue about arcade emulation I tried to shove it into MAME and that didn't work
44:02 <Ampera> so I tried Atari 2600 Galaga
44:07 <Ampera> it was not galaga
44:42 <Ampera> I don't even know what the hell it was
44:53 <Ampera> ah, apparently it was a romhack of river raid
45:10 <Ampera> that's what I get for downloading rom compilations :P
46:50 <Ampera> NES version is better but sadly I don't have the SG-1000 version which is my favorite
49:48 * T3sl4 NESticles Ampera
51:12 * electrohead invites Ampera up to his parents house
51:25 <electrohead> my dad bought an arcade cabinet for cheap, and had me fix it up for him
51:37 <electrohead> it's one of those 40 some in one cabinets
51:42 <electrohead> and includes galaga
51:45 <electrohead> :D
52:42 <Ampera> all the way to amishville penn for galaga
52:43 <Ampera> hrmmm
52:47 <Ampera> gotta think about that one
53:03 <electrohead> lol
53:10 <Ampera> my dad is something else
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53:18 <Ampera> he asks me at 5PM "do you need anything from walmart"
53:24 <Ampera> he goes to the stores so monumentally late it's not even funny
00:07 <rust_collector> If I go to the store, it is usually around 8.
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31:44 <arch> someone please explain to me why such a huge resistor is used for this relay RC snubber module? https://aliexpress.ru/item/32600130342.html
32:10 <arch> considering the capacitive reactance at 125V and 0.1uF cap is only around 6mA
32:40 <arch> 6mA dissipated through a 170Ohm resistor is bugger all
32:53 <arch> err 270
33:44 <arch> i mean reactance is 26kOhm
34:35 <arch> i just did a LTspice simulation too
38:44 <arch> hm, well i guess it depends on how much current is flowing through the coil at the moment of switch break
39:00 <arch> and how frequently the circuit is interrupted
55:50 <Halcyon> Morning all
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21:25 <coppice> arch: you are missing something. If the thing switches at the peak of the power cycle you can get a serious surge. that resistor looks really big, but quite a few products keep blowing out those resistors because the designer didn't think it through
22:36 <arch> oo
22:51 <arch> but wait
23:25 <arch> coppice, say if you're only switching a cooling fan, so 30W maximum. wouldn't that resistor be overspecced for something like that?
25:24 <coppice> the resistor has to follow the cap, and that cap is rather large
27:29 <arch> ahh i see what you mean. when you apply mains power, initially the capacitor is at 0V, so charging to 170V peak through such a low resistance (270Ohm), the peak current would be 0.63A; power dissipation for a short amount of time would be 107W. you would take the integral to get the actual power dissipation right?
33:57 <arch> integrate it over 5 Tau, basically, right?
34:08 <arch> or maybe 4 Tau
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57:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I should be moving labs but had to shoot a led lighting video. https://t.co/0cHupxTpZH
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58:15 * Halcyon licks T3sl4 
58:15 <steve30> hi Halcyon
58:18 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
58:31 * Halcyon nibbles on Steve's neck
58:36 <steve30> hehe
58:48 * steve30 is tired
58:55 <Halcyon> Me too, and a little crabby
59:09 * steve30 wants a cute boy to cuddle with
59:28 <Halcyon> :P
59:32 <Halcyon> Nothing new then
01:25 <steve30> yeah
01:40 <steve30> it sucks not having a cuddle buddy
02:13 <Halcyon> You need a birb
07:43 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Dg3ohnSK4
07:49 <Halcyon> I have never tried a scotch egg
07:52 <Halcyon> They look delicious
17:22 <steve30> hmm
17:23 <steve30> no thanks
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23:20 <Halcyon> Jerry had a shower before
28:09 * steve30 collapses on Halcyon's lap
28:38 <Halcyon> :D
50:27 <steve30> meow
52:16 <Halcyon> Back later on
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02:13 <Guest|65322> Can anyone please tell me what is the part for the number and where can I buy these Zener diodes.
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13:17 <JoePublic> How to upload a photo
15:00 <JoePublic> need help identifying a couple of diodes that are on plasma Y tv board
15:50 <steve30> You can't upload photos on IRC. You can on the forum though.
16:52 <JoePublic> how to get there. sorry for the stupid question but I never been on any blog or forum.
17:40 <steve30> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/
17:59 <JoePublic> thank you very much
18:50 <steve30> There's a topic specially for people wanting help identifying stuff
18:50 <steve30> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/what_s-this-please-(component-advice)/
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09:11 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
09:14 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
09:38 <steve30> hi
12:57 <rust_collector> ollah
13:31 <Ysjoelfir> isn't it nice? You get told around March that you get fired because there is no Project for you to work on. Now I was a week on sickleave, read my mails, and see, that another workmate who has a soon to be terminated contract got a new project to work on \o/
14:46 <rust_collector> always something
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14:59 <Ysjoelfir> yeah
15:04 <Ysjoelfir> that realy boosts the work morale!
15:15 <Ysjoelfir> now I feel pumped to go to work. not.
15:47 <Ysjoelfir> also, Mr. Boss announced permanent mask wearing in the office all the time, to delay having to switch to home office
16:03 <Ysjoelfir> wouldn't that be nice, steve30? ;P
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19:05 <rust_collector> why would he want to delay home office anyway? But yea, I am looking forward to the day the kids are out of here, and I can just quit. I will be ok
19:42 <Ysjoelfir> Because he can't controll us anymore I assume
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28:53 <Ysjoelfir> it sparked.
30:02 <steve30> *sigh*
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30:33 <Ysjoelfir> why are you sighing, steve?
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30:59 <steve30> i was sighing at your work situation
31:21 <Ysjoelfir> oh :D Thanks, I appreciate your sigh
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41:20 * T3sl4 meows at Ysjoelfir_
45:21 * Ysjoelfir pets the steve30
45:30 <steve30> *purr*
45:31 * Ysjoelfir hands rust_collector a cup of hot tea
46:42 <rust_collector> I was thinking about fireweed tea...
47:11 <rust_collector> is that it? because I have never had that before
50:05 <Ysjoelfir> I haven't had that either, so I think no. Its probably either black tea or yuzu
50:28 <rust_collector> oh
50:35 <rust_collector> thanks
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37:59 <steve30> hello Ysjoelfir
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37:59 <K> hello
37:59 <T3sl4> mornin
40:41 <steve30> I need to go to the chemist this morning
43:36 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector. O
43:39 <Ysjoelfir> ....
43:50 <Ysjoelfir> *rust_collector, I'm bored
43:51 <rust_collector> 0?
43:55 <Ysjoelfir> tell me something interesting
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44:04 <Ysjoelfir> yes. o.
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44:24 <rust_collector> hanko is the southern tip of finland
44:41 <Ysjoelfir> Thats exactly what I wanted to say and it was totally not me slipping off the delete key and hitting return instead.
44:42 <Halcyon> Okies, so without jinxing myself, it looks like Manjaro fixed my display issues
44:45 <Ysjoelfir> woah! nice!
44:53 <Halcyon> Also hello everyone
44:57 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Hulkion :)
45:01 <Halcyon> :D
45:06 <Ysjoelfir> Isn't Manjare something to eat?
45:18 <Halcyon> Possibly?
45:28 <rust_collector> it is what italian restaurant people sing, I think?
45:47 <rust_collector> while serving pasta and meatballs to dogs
46:56 <rust_collector> how do you like manjaro, other than your weird display?
47:19 <Halcyon> Well I was using Ubuntu until I updated my display drivers. BIG MISTAKE.
47:26 <Halcyon> Had nothing but problems ever since
47:53 <Halcyon> I used Manjaro a while ago and liked it, but that was an older version, now using the KDE version of it and it seems to be quite polished
48:02 <rust_collector> hmm
48:03 <Halcyon> The only thing I miss is full disk encryption out of the box
48:21 <Halcyon> But I should be able to do that at BIOS/System level
49:43 <K> hello
50:29 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
54:13 <rust_collector> hi K
56:04 <steve30> hello
56:10 <Halcyon> Hey K
58:30 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy about using "old" computers, so you hipster nerds can nag until everything works, before I have to try it
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00:39 <David8> Easy peasy chicken bob's your auntie.
00:58 * rust_collector gives T3sl4 a mental image of a large boat
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09:02 * T3sl4 puts Halcyon's lix in the boat
10:53 * Halcyon blinks at T3sl4 
11:20 <T3sl4> those too
11:33 <Halcyon> :P
14:11 <steve30> Is David8 related to David2?
14:44 <Halcyon> No he is related to David3, 4 and 5
16:34 <steve30> Have you taken David2 out on a date yet?
16:36 <steve30> :p
17:43 <Halcyon> Heh I wish
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32:16 <steve30> I t hink its time for bed
32:34 <rust_collector> Heh I wish
34:09 <Halcyon> What time is it Steve?
34:38 <rust_collector> 9.34
36:33 <NeroTHz> you know what really drives me nuts sometimes
36:37 <NeroTHz> people who are cheap
36:54 <NeroTHz> but not cheap in the way where they just buy cheap stuff and know that they buy cheap stuff
37:09 <NeroTHz> but the type that always seems to imply everyone not buying cheap stuff is an idiot for spending too much money
37:30 <rust_collector> blarrrgh. I should go something, or at least find some pants
37:47 <NeroTHz> And who then compain, for exaple, that their shower tap thing which they bought at 1/6the the typical retail price of the household brand here doesn´t work well after just a year
38:43 <Halcyon> Pants are over-rated
39:00 <rust_collector> yep, but I am getting old and fragile
39:09 <Halcyon> Define old
39:46 <rust_collector> it is when it hurts to get out of bed, but it hurts more to just stay in bed
40:06 <NeroTHz> There is nothing wrong with being concious of your spending and I don´t say everything is crap but I really get worked up when people pretend that every not-the-cheapest-version product is a waste of money and you are stupid for buying it
41:25 <rust_collector> winter is getting closer here. it was -0.3 this morning
42:20 <rust_collector> ok, have fun. I am going to... put my pants on
42:41 <Halcyon> Have fun
44:27 <T3sl4> or that digikey thread
44:50 <T3sl4> so many people that just... hate everything, i imagine
53:49 <K> digikey thread?
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55:02 <JoePublic> Howzit guys? Anybody around?
55:50 <K> NeroTHz, my response to that kind of attitude at first is "oh ok", and then devolves into "you are poor lol"
00:12 <T3sl4> hi
02:43 <coppice> are you?
04:14 <Halcyon> Sort of
05:00 <K> who are you calling a rotund person?
05:15 <K> rude!
06:10 <JoePublic> hahahah
06:36 <JoePublic> Noice - I'm Seychelles working on a couple of electronics projects. But its hard to get parts out here XD
06:42 <T3sl4> hey, i'm in shape. round is a shape
07:10 <Halcyon> Is Seychelles a place or a person's name?
07:19 <JoePublic> hahaha oops
07:23 <JoePublic> I'm IN seychelles
07:28 <Halcyon> *googles*
07:40 <T3sl4> she sells sea shells in seychelles
07:59 <JoePublic> Nice little island. But PCB design not really in demand or supported in any way
08:03 <Halcyon> Oh shit, if you're really from there, that looks like an awesome place!
08:19 <Halcyon> "Middle of bum-fuck nowhere" as we like to say
08:24 <JoePublic> Hahaha I'm from California, my GF is from South Africa, but we're living in Seychelles this year XD
08:34 <T3sl4> everything mail order, preferably by boat at that
08:52 <K> except for sea shells
09:16 <JoePublic> Hahhaa I think 98% of the good sold (besides fish) are imported. Even the coconut water
09:16 <Ysjoelfir> lol, its very cool how google just displays a bit of ocean with a little island-like dot in the preview :D That looks indeed like a beautiful place to love
09:54 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
10:04 <JoePublic> Hahaha it is very beautiful. Plus I love fishing and freediving, so thats a plus
10:09 * Ysjoelfir cuddles T3sl4, spreading the coronas eeeerm, spreading love
10:16 <Ysjoelfir> fishing is nice :)
10:37 <Ysjoelfir> on my last vacation to norway my spouse cought an algae! she was.... not very excited xD
10:42 <T3sl4> K: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/digi-key-has-changed-and-it-is-not-very-good/
10:53 <JoePublic> But, I do freelance engineering work, and a small socialist island that barely has internet is not a great place for it
11:08 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very true
11:12 <coppice> A friend describes Seychelles as the most boring place in the world, based on his holidays there every school summer holiday
11:17 <T3sl4> cheap satellite probably helps
11:43 <JoePublic> Ugh, everyone pays for internet like its a mobile plan. No satellite internet yet that I'm aware of
11:57 <JoePublic> Like we spend 700 SCR for 30GB of home internet
12:05 <JoePublic> Its ridiculous
12:13 <K> so many letters...
12:47 <JoePublic> The lab I do contract work at back in California gets 1 Gb/s, here I get 5 Mb/s
13:11 <Ysjoelfir> thats like 1gb per euro. sounds very cheap to me actualls :D but it sounds very slow
13:21 <T3sl4> i get 100MB for the basic internet
13:42 <T3sl4> here in the middle of the continent
13:49 <coppice> 18 months ago I would have been very happy to get 5Mbps in the UK
13:55 <JoePublic> That sounds like a dream :D
14:30 <JoePublic> Here was my first real contract project on hackaday: https://hackaday.io/project/158770-labratory-telepresence-robot
14:35 <JoePublic> Don't judge me too hard
14:45 <JoePublic> I was young, the project is a lot better now XD
15:20 <JoePublic> Well, so I do a lot of freediving and spearfishing. And so for safety you always go with a partner.
15:44 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty cute :)
16:52 <JoePublic> Hahahah thank you! The next version used a jetson nano and 5G wifi and we got WAY faster video latency + way better resolution
17:04 <JoePublic> I think it ended up like 80ms latency at 720p
17:28 <JoePublic> The nightmare scenario is something called a shallow-water-blackout (SWB), where you basically black out in the last 10m of your ascent
18:01 <Ysjoelfir> ew, that sounds nasty
18:23 <JoePublic> Basically as you descend, your lungs keep compressing, and the partial pressure of oxygen on your lungs cell membrane stays high due to the increase of pressure.
18:27 <JoePublic> So you feel fine on the way down
19:27 <JoePublic> But when you ascend from 10m to the surface your lungs almost double in volume, so the partial pressure of O2 drops substantially. That couple with the fact that when you reach the surface you actually exhale as your holding your breath the whole time has lead to some pretty serious accidents
19:59 <Ysjoelfir> thats not nice at all :D
20:15 <JoePublic> So when you take courses for doing these things at a higher level (20+ meters) they teach you how to recover blacked out partners
20:18 <JoePublic> OK
20:18 <JoePublic> So
20:35 <JoePublic> My idea is was a simple GPS LoRa beacon that you could clip to your tube/mask
20:44 <JoePublic> And then broadcast your location to your dive partner
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21:34 <JoePublic> So if your both at the surface, you're devices are sending their locations back and forth and everyone is happy and alive
21:49 <JoePublic> But, if your partner descends, the radio link is broken
21:50 <K> hrm
22:22 <K> dunno if i would trust that kind of tech in life-or-death situations
22:57 <JoePublic> Which starts a timer in your device, and if they don't resurface and re-establish a connection an alarm goes off on your device and guides you their last surface location via audio cues
23:53 <JoePublic> Yah, It might be too ambitious. But there is always a disorientating moment when you surface and you have to find your dive partner again. So even just having a device telling you which way to look is pretty valuable
26:10 <Ysjoelfir> though I agree with K, I see how this could be very valueable. what would you use otherwise? "A" help that might not work is still better than no help at all, right? :)
27:30 <JoePublic> Well I mean, even for just my GF and I.
27:52 <JoePublic> Like we travel to a lot of countries and do a lot of shoredives in unknown water
28:11 <JoePublic> And like, IDK, as the number of dives we've done grows from 10's to hundreds
28:15 <JoePublic> Its just like
28:32 <K> does gps work well under watter?
28:42 <JoePublic> I mean we do our best to not make mistakes, but they happen you know
28:52 <JoePublic> Ok! No, but I think that could be a feature not a bug
29:06 <coppice> K: only for the first few microns :)
29:09 <JoePublic> Because the loss of GPS reception could indicate to your device that you're submerged
29:13 <JoePublic> RIGHT
29:25 <JoePublic> So this is my big question, I've ordered some dev boards to test it out
29:53 <JoePublic> But like, if this thing is only 10cm or so off the water, can you send a signal over a 1m wave to your buddy?
30:05 <JoePublic> /app.unsee.cc/#cuXMBNgw1bPNNX9C
30:10 <JoePublic> app.unsee.cc/#cuXMBNgw1bPNNX9C
30:17 <JoePublic> IDK if that link is gonna work
30:32 <K> nope
30:43 <JoePublic> ok
30:48 <JoePublic> there's supposed to be way more images too
31:01 <K> ah, it does, if you fix the url
31:23 <JoePublic> KK
31:29 <JoePublic> Have to upload more anyway
32:16 <JoePublic> I have way more rendering than that
32:33 <JoePublic> I've been working with a few spearfishing facebook groups and have made a lot of changes to the ergonomics etc
33:28 <JoePublic> Still a lot of waterproofing work etc
34:24 <JoePublic> Ok, there should be plenty of examples up there now
34:29 <JoePublic> https://app.unsee.cc/#cuXMBNgw1bPNNX9C
36:34 <JoePublic> Did that not work?
37:21 <JoePublic> KK sorry yall
37:30 <JoePublic> Let me try again
38:03 <Ysjoelfir> no, didn't work :(
38:44 <K> imgur?
41:21 <JoePublic> https://postimg.cc/gallery/K1gJ7G9
42:34 <JoePublic> Lolol please don't re-share the artwork XD
42:38 <Ysjoelfir> nice :D that works
42:52 <Ysjoelfir> I like the artwork. great renders!
43:42 <JoePublic> Yeah, fusion 360 curb-stomps solidworks if your working on your own
44:37 <Ysjoelfir> Why was I welcomed when I wasn't even awake? XD
44:55 <JoePublic> So, I just bought some of these guys from aliexpress just to get something to test ASAP:
44:57 <JoePublic> https://www.hackster.io/news/the-ttgo-t-beam-an-esp32-lora-board-d44b08f18628
46:16 <JoePublic> I bought at 868 MHz and at 433 MHz. I'm thinking that 433 should be better for the application (still untested) but I'm still not even sure if you can legally use 433 MHz in the US?
58:19 <JoePublic> Did I lose yall?
58:50 <K> prolly not
59:27 <JoePublic> probably not getting the range over a wave?
59:55 <T3sl4> the lower frequency is better in that respect, but who knows how it's going to diffract around arbitrary shaped waves
00:08 <JoePublic> Yeah I'm definitely in over my head on that
00:28 <T3sl4> an elevated receiver would be effective, like a lifeguard perched over the beach
01:00 <T3sl4> maybe you could have something that just sits on top of a tent pole driven into the ground nearby
01:24 <JoePublic> That's a pretty good idea
01:56 <JoePublic> I mean obviously I want the minimum cost
02:18 <JoePublic> People also do use boats all the time, so maybe its not out of the question for there to be a "base station"
03:06 <T3sl4> or something that hangs in a tree, idunno
03:30 <T3sl4> a telescoping pole option would be nice for easy setup/takedown
04:48 <JoePublic> Hmmm, yeah it seems really difficult to assess the performance. Some people say lora should get 2km LOS
05:12 <JoePublic> So if the base station has good height and the right antenna maybe we're getting there?
05:52 <JoePublic> I was hoping for like 200m-400m range if it was p2p
06:55 <T3sl4> heck, that could monitor a whole beach, i wouldn't be too concerned about base station cost
08:14 <JoePublic> I was considering cell network, it is way too spotty
08:34 <T3sl4> that was going to be my next thought
08:43 <Halcyon> I just came into this part-way, what are you thinking JoePublic ?
09:11 <JoePublic> Hey there! Its a gps beacon for spearfishers and freedivers to help locate eachother when they're in the water
09:42 <Halcyon> Oh right
09:52 <JoePublic> Uses LoRa + GPS + IMU etc to provide audio cues to dive partners to know which direction their dive partner is relative to them when they are on the surface
10:09 <JoePublic> Some artwork here; https://postimg.cc/gallery/K1gJ7G9
10:10 <T3sl4> BTW how fast can GPS acquire location? you can use last known location, but if they get stuck in a riptide then what
10:11 <Halcyon> So they RX GPS on their person then trasmit the coordinates out to a central server? Kind of like ADS-B ?
10:37 <JoePublic> I was hoping it could be peer to peer for simplicity sake
10:57 <Halcyon> T3sl4: GPS in shallow water isn't an issue. Most small receivers (in phones for example) can get decent coverage indoors with no windows and a metal roof
11:07 <JoePublic> So, if I understand correctly, the "hot start" time on a lot of GPS modules advertises 1 sec?
11:37 <JoePublic> So like after diving down and re-surfacing, I was assuming the re-acquisition time was close to 1 sec?
12:19 <T3sl4> dunno
13:08 <Halcyon> A mesh network would be OK, but would you not want a base station capturing data continually whenever it can? So at least you can log things like last known location, bearing, speed etc... in case something happens?
13:21 <Halcyon> Rather than just bursts of data when everyone is within range
13:54 <JoePublic> Hmmm
14:13 <Halcyon> If you went with mesh, maybe Bluetooth LE, but that's useless in water and/or over longer distances
14:29 <Halcyon> The lower the frequency, the better.
14:40 <JoePublic> Yeah, there was also ESP-NOW, but I'm assuming the range on that is also a no-go
14:43 <JoePublic> So
15:08 <JoePublic> My plan was to use an esp32 to host an html page that you could login to your phone and then set all of your user-custom settings
15:26 <JoePublic> And then when the dive starts the server is shutdown
15:40 <JoePublic> I think I made a dummy prototype
15:46 <Halcyon> I just think, if you have a device on a person, which is continually logging data (you can combine depth in that too even if there is no GPS fix), rather than just committing it to a local buffer, get it transmitted, so hopefully it's captured and could be useful to someone else
16:21 <Halcyon> You have the damn thing on and computing, why not get the data "out there" whenever and as frequently as possible.
16:21 <JoePublic> Yeah, here is the software prototype: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fy3oxavoc%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3xT9VZiPm_HcGgSFwzpwTsQadyKr0U026ozlvHT3GH1vClN33SabH_BCI&h=AT3xpvkRzngF_AByNj0c0-Y8RhXSQcZgYCUXVnjmx0PucNKP12XXJeb2rfhoCY__ReIfHdw7sLbuKZqFLb5NewnVJ2R7AMrjP_Wn-JK_udXWYgrJp5kZZAFsU4RGVq_O5A&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT2MVa7iSyI1xx4we4N1
16:21 <JoePublic> RAH28PVSSrfGaT91kB0D-SgHFiTnFRcjPaq932qkegmyk_Yxb9c3FQkHGGg6Tg8ZLyLb15v04aOcnbDlCehT6GhjDxadR5dSk954U6hXYDVxWftKFr0989Vz8rPbcrmJjI6DOaSoZ-q65q-H61DIAMyZjD3lwYcjfus6Zg
16:24 <JoePublic> just an example
16:26 <T3sl4> buh
16:52 <Halcyon> Let the server side do all the transmitting back etc...
17:08 <JoePublic> Hmm, maybe I'm not understanding
18:33 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir_ [[email protected]] entered the room
18:51 <Ysjoelfir> cool
19:06 <T3sl4> can't always tell if it's a reconnect or what :P
19:22 <JoePublic> I mean, I really just wanted to keep the costs minimal. I think the spearfishing market is pretty cost sensitive - like I don't think the majority people would want to spend more than $200 or $300.
19:36 <Ysjoelfir> that would actually be a not very typical time for a reconnect :D my ISP usually forces that at ~3 at night
19:55 <JoePublic> Which is why I was just hoping you could transmit directly to your partner
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> however, thanks for welcoming my ghost, I appreciate it <3
20:11 <JoePublic> Obviously having a server that was collecting all of the data is definitely better
20:30 <JoePublic> And the hardware would be pretty much the same besides the enclosure, antenna, etc
20:53 <Halcyon> Oh right, so this is not a one-off thing for yourself?
20:58 <T3sl4> wound $300/person even cover your legal fees, even with a lengthy indemnifying ToS?
21:00 <JoePublic> Well at the moment it is
21:02 <Halcyon> Oh then yeh, mesh is the way to go.
21:14 <T3sl4> hrm, so i found this MSP430 dongle, which after a bit of poking around i seem to have downloaded the drivers and a flashing tool, and updated its firmware, and put in the /correct/ driver since apparently that matters between updates
21:19 <Halcyon> Unless you feel comfortable that there are enough LoraWAN gateways in your target market
21:31 <JoePublic> However, I found a speargun manufacturer who has offered to buy the demo units at cost from me and leak it to his customer base (NDA's etc)
21:43 <JoePublic> To get feedback and see how people respond
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> MSP430... that rings a bell very far away. what was that?
21:56 <T3sl4> the dongle may or may not actually work, and it seems i should wire up an actual MSP430 chip to it and see if it works any further
22:01 <T3sl4> TI's 16 bit MCUs
22:22 <Ysjoelfir> aah.
22:26 <JoePublic> But, the important thing is to make something that works first, and then see how people respond to it. And if it needs a central "server" to get reception than so be it.
22:30 <T3sl4> i have uh, MSP430F1121A MSP430F5510 in stock
23:00 <JoePublic> The one off is certainly worth it to me personally, but I think the community wants it
23:07 <T3sl4> think i have a tssop breakout board, tho is it 16 pins, not the 20 needed? hrm
23:09 <Halcyon> Could both not operate on ISM bands (e.g. 433 Mhz) in either LoraWAN uplink or "mesh" mode?
23:11 <Ysjoelfir> I have a whole bunch of shit in stock, but no MSPs :P
23:24 <Halcyon> So you get the option
23:29 * T3sl4 plinks 8051s at Ysjoelfir
23:40 <Ysjoelfir> I actually have some of those
23:54 <Ysjoelfir> as well as other cool stuff from that era
24:06 <Halcyon> Sorry 915 MHz
24:17 <Halcyon> So one radio, but it's software defined in how it operates
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> like 680000000000s (I always mix up the zeroes...), or those cool bubble lens 4 character 7 segment LED displays... erm... HPDLsomething
26:04 <JoePublic> Geeze, ok so my radio skills are lacking
26:13 <Halcyon> I'm just thinking as a consumer. I'd hate to have one model that does mesh only, but an entirely different model that does some kind of client-server thing
26:40 <T3sl4> i have a few 5x7 char LEDs
26:44 <Halcyon> Maybe sometimes I want one, but then other times I want the other.
26:49 <JoePublic> So thats why I thought the ESP-32 had to be in there, so you can just software configurations from your phone
27:16 <JoePublic> Having a lot of pre-dive setup to do is super annoying
27:36 <JoePublic> So I think the specific chipsets I was looking at were esp-32 for the main mcu + wifi for pre-dive configuration.
27:45 <JoePublic> Than just a hoperf style lora module depending on country
27:50 <Halcyon> *shrug* I know nothing about diving, so that part of me is lost
27:59 <JoePublic> SX12XX whatever
28:28 <JoePublic> Well, so a lot of spearfishers also bring floats along, so it might be possible to put a "server" on a dive float
28:37 <Ysjoelfir> pretty happy that I'm done writing down all those parts that I have on reels. took 2 tays to write that up, guess the amounts that are left, search for datasheets, see if they are ROHS compliant, and put that all into excel. next step: Stuff thats not on reels :X
28:55 <JoePublic> They use these just to clip gear onto, tie their gun onto it, so if they catch a big fish or the spear gets tangled than let it go and still have a line to the surface
29:15 <JoePublic> IDK if that makes sense
29:52 <Halcyon> It does, kind of
30:08 <Halcyon> I'm not an EE either. So my knowledge of things will probably be of limited value to you.
30:21 <JoePublic> Well, it would be nice to only have to do 1 software configuration if your going to have a base station. Like it would kind of suck to have to connect to 3 different devices and do all of the settings from your phone
30:26 <JoePublic> But i guess you have to start somewhere
31:37 <JoePublic> Like this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/48/0b/14480b61a5b2c3043301b5a0c673d142.jpg
32:37 <Halcyon> Maybe do some testing with RF at different depths/power levels/antennas. It might limit or open up options for you
33:46 <JoePublic> I'm waiting for parts! They've arrived in Seychelles but I still have to wait for them to clear customs.
34:33 <JoePublic> I think the first test will be just two devices in a waterproof phone pouch and swimming away from eachother at the surface with a blinking LED for every received packet. And just see when you start to lose data
34:56 <JoePublic> And then maybe again but you leave one on the shore hanging from a tree and then swim as far out as you can
38:04 <JoePublic> Ok, I won't harass you guys too much more
38:18 <Halcyon> All good :)
38:41 <JoePublic> I have a few projects going over here, one of them involves an ST chip that isn't working right:
38:41 <JoePublic> https://www.st.com/en/power-management/stns01.html
38:43 <T3sl4> pretty tedious :/
38:48 <rust_collector> OI! what happened here? there is text and stuff?
38:57 <JoePublic> IDK if you guys have every used it, but its just supposed to be an all-in-one battery solution
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> yeeeeeeeeeees.
39:23 <Ysjoelfir> should have started that the second I got the first like... 10 reels
39:46 <Ysjoelfir> now there are 197 reels and 3 more boxes of trays and tubes and one full shelve of misc stuff
39:49 <JoePublic> @rust_collector I'm just looking for free advice
40:27 <JoePublic> The chip pretty much works, it switches from USB power to battery power seemlessly
40:38 <rust_collector> ok, go for it. I am just not used to seeing lots of text here, about... things
41:03 <JoePublic> Is it possible to look up once you join? not familiar with irc
41:09 <rust_collector> uh, so how does it not work right?
41:30 <JoePublic> But the battery isn't charging when both are plugged in
41:41 <JoePublic> There is a connection for thermistor to monitor battery temperature
41:51 <JoePublic> which I left unconnected because I don't want to use it
41:58 <JoePublic> But I can't find any documentation about it
42:14 <rust_collector> no, not really, I guess there might be a log somewhere, but I don't know if regular people can read that.
42:37 <rust_collector> oh. hmm, maybe that connection needs to be jumpered, if you do not want to use it?
43:33 <steve30> o/
43:34 <rust_collector> I have no idea. do you have to program this thing, or is it a "just works" sort of thing? I see you "program" the current with a resistor, but...
45:41 * T3sl4 probes steve30 with a MSP430 USB-Debug-Interface
46:20 <JoePublic> Hmmm, i'll link in my schematics
46:43 <JoePublic> rust_collector I've been asking about a gps lora beacon for a spearfishing + freediving application
47:17 <JoePublic> Basically you broadcast your location to your dive partner and then it provides audio cues to help you find your partner when your both on the surface
47:40 <JoePublic> Some artwork: https://postimg.cc/gallery/K1gJ7G9
48:27 <JoePublic> I was hoping it could operate peer to peer and warn you if you and your partner are getting too far from eachother
48:42 <JoePublic> Have a button to push to tell which way your partner is relative to your location
48:53 <rust_collector> hmm, that seems like a useful thing
49:11 <JoePublic> And the best feature (if the connection is solid enough) would be to time how long you and your partner have been out of radio communication
49:12 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve
49:56 <rust_collector> how does radio things work under water, if you compare to in air?
50:16 <JoePublic> This would indicate that your partner is underwater if the link is broken while your on the surface
50:33 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir
50:37 <JoePublic> So if you don't get a packet for over, say 90 seconds, it could indicate that your partner needs rescuing
50:40 <JoePublic> Hahaha not at all
51:09 <hsn> joe
51:16 <hsn> are u in "friends" ?
51:41 <rust_collector> heeey joe. no, he is an a hendrix song
52:05 <hsn> when i recieve the pallet ?
53:00 <rust_collector> "the" pallet? you will have several, I think. But yeah, that depends on how fast the asian teenagers can solder, and how shipping to sandistan works out
53:23 <hsn> Rust i did what u say
53:25 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/mHpLpjfANB1HZsWa8
53:51 <hsn> solder what .. i still donno what u send :P
53:54 <rust_collector> ARRRGH!!! WHY would anyone do anything I said, lol
54:11 <rust_collector> well, that works, right?
54:34 <hsn> well ... i usually put my hand here .. i should put it more far
55:00 <hsn> its annoying to hold my heavy hand
55:00 <rust_collector> it makes cracking noises if you do that now?
55:01 <hsn> all time
55:27 <rust_collector> yes. poor little guy with heavy hands
55:27 <hsn> yeah but i didnt do ..
55:32 <rust_collector> yet
55:54 <K> who schotch-taped a pefrectly good spaghetti meal to the table?
56:07 <hsn> the bootloader crap is not working
56:26 <hsn> speggati ?
56:58 <K> wel, the italian things
57:06 <hsn> its falooda
57:07 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/MD1pjAkqPDFV9Bd49
57:33 <hsn> more white than speggati
58:22 <K> oh ok
58:23 <rust_collector> I like the connector thing on the other board there
01:33 <hsn> which one
01:38 <hsn> the wago ?
01:54 <rust_collector> yep
02:11 <hsn> yeah its perfect
02:16 <hsn> for lazy ppl like me
02:19 <rust_collector> I am assuming it is not an actual wago
02:30 <hsn> its wago that wago never made
02:32 <hsn> yes
02:38 <rust_collector> neat
02:50 <hsn> https://youtu.be/OP86SxqP7I8
02:54 <hsn> Clone of Wago product that Wago don't even sell???
03:47 <rust_collector> ok! I have to go set up the saw, and do some "work"
05:23 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn
05:39 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
05:43 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir .. question of the day
05:50 <hsn> which flavour u liked
05:52 <hsn> of the date
06:11 <Ysjoelfir> hmm
06:16 <Ysjoelfir> I prefered "date" :P
06:27 <Ysjoelfir> I only tried a few yet as they are valueable xD
06:43 <Ysjoelfir> have to evaluate a bit longer
07:01 * steve30 coffees
07:19 <hsn> yea .. the raw date one ?
07:24 <hsn> i like it also more
07:29 * Ysjoelfir teas with palm sperm
07:54 <hsn> than "coconut or cadamom"
09:53 <rust_collector> crap, I need a LOT more coffee
10:29 <rust_collector> and a proper saw. but not today.
10:39 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, do you have a tablesaw?
10:41 <hsn> rust_collector, u should see this fun video https://youtu.be/Lu56xVlZ40M
10:53 <hsn> i want table saw plz
11:00 <Ysjoelfir> no, I don't. I thought about getting one, but I think it won't be beneficial to me
11:06 <Ysjoelfir> also, no room for that :/
11:08 <hsn> Ysjoelfir ,, what is coming in pallets ?
11:10 <Ysjoelfir> which is the main reason
11:21 <Ysjoelfir> NRFsomething ICs from nordic semi
11:32 <rust_collector> a table saw is super nice, because you can lower the blade, and you have a....table
12:01 <rust_collector> take the tablecloth off before you raise the blade again
12:38 <Ysjoelfir> Well... I have my rollable work desk. but that has a drawer in it, so no chance to add the saw there.
13:15 <Ysjoelfir> also.. take a look at this nice video. "The difference is very subtle so I want you to pay very close attention" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCaDz_2YcGQ&feature=emb_logo
15:41 <rust_collector> I want to have hsn watch a video too, but I guess he might be at work
16:33 <hsn> yes .. this is the angry apple guy ?
16:40 <Ysjoelfir> yes
16:49 <Ysjoelfir> seems like he wandered into building ebikes
17:58 <rust_collector> seems like a better idea than fixing watered laptops
18:40 Quit: JoePublic ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
22:42 Quit: Nothing ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
24:06 <Ysjoelfir> I still think his haircut is.... weird.
26:13 <T3sl4> nutt in your tea?
26:32 <Ysjoelfir> thats hsn s task to explain :D
26:51 <hsn> i can explain ..
26:59 <hsn> T3sl4, Ysjoelfir likes sperms
27:00 <hsn> :D
27:05 <T3sl4> what goes on between you and him, is your business, i don't need to know ;)
27:11 <hsn> he is angry from battery pack now ?
27:15 * Ysjoelfir clobers hsn with a sausage
27:35 Join: JoePublic ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
27:50 <hsn> oh man .. u enjoy making it sexism hah
27:54 <JoePublic> Yoo, I'm back with my weird stns01 problems
28:14 <T3sl4> https://www.backyardnature.net/yucatan/coco-frt.htm that flowers pic there
28:40 <JoePublic> Here's my idiot schematic: https://pasteboard.co/Jwmiijs.png
28:45 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, someone .. should tell this guy to stop covering his cat face https://youtu.be/JCaDz_2YcGQ?t=544
30:13 <JoePublic> But yeah, does everything except charge the battery :/
30:25 <hsn> very similar
30:26 <JoePublic> Anybody have luck getting help from ST forums?
30:58 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/vSj2aLaQ165AhfZ18
31:30 <T3sl4> hsn, are you taking me on a date?
31:41 <hsn> oh yeah ..
31:46 * Ysjoelfir eats a date cake
32:02 * Ysjoelfir takes screenshots and sends them to hsn's wife#1
32:20 <hsn> i mean
32:30 <hsn> 1/1/2044 date
32:40 * hsn sends T3sl4 to future
32:42 <hsn> :)
33:01 <hsn> done .. solved .. take the bottom part in the screenshot also
33:27 <hsn> JoePublic, where do u put the battery
34:07 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, things are getting ugly :D
34:16 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/FCWYLb.jpg
35:30 <T3sl4> electrical earthquake
35:45 <hsn> Battery temperature monitoring pin. Connect the battery NTC resistor to this pin. The charging cycle is put on hold when the battery temperature is outside of the safe temperature range (0 °C to 45 °C).
35:47 <Ysjoelfir> lol
35:55 <hsn> quaaaack
37:01 <JoePublic> Ugh ok that was my fear
37:31 <JoePublic> I've already got the boards made XD
38:03 <hsn> well .. if it helps u .. i can share an idea to u
38:20 <JoePublic> It helps :)
39:22 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cBm5mh92CcWnHxiB7
39:41 <JoePublic> Ooff
40:01 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/vXWzoK9.png
40:12 <hsn> T3sl4, and Ysjoelfir .. where do i ... hide pin and connect it to another pin .. https://snipboard.io/1kJF74.jpg
40:31 <hsn> So .. try to solder some wire .. 2.2k resistor to gnd i guess
40:33 <T3sl4> can't
40:35 <hsn> like i want https://snipboard.io/8ebmT4.jpg << 3 & 4 together
41:02 <hsn> cant ? i think its available on other EDA .. also on altium older versions ??
41:02 <hsn> idk if that is the problem or not btw ... but i guess its
41:03 <Ysjoelfir> I just hide name and designator of them and just put it onto the other pin in the schematic
41:16 <JoePublic> I think your on the right track
41:22 <JoePublic> Its says its a 10k thermistor?
41:29 <hsn> ok
41:36 <JoePublic> But I don't know what the correct resistance would be
41:43 <hsn> maybe i was ... using (pcb footprint jumper id) .. before
41:48 <hsn> and get confused .. idk
43:09 <JoePublic> Hang on, getting picture of board
44:00 <JoePublic> Ugh its the small chip at the top: https://pasteboard.co/Jwmow6W.jpg
45:43 <JoePublic> https://pasteboard.co/Jwmpfn3.png
45:46 <JoePublic> Its on pin 8
46:03 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir do u like the photos ? :: https://www.wmdpcb.com/factory-30.html
48:10 <Ysjoelfir> they could have cleaned up the machines a bit more. and.. not stretch it insanely in some pics :P
51:07 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i fear of ESD now
52:34 <Ysjoelfir> why? XD
52:47 <K> 10k thermistor will be 10k at 20 or 25C
53:05 <hsn> K .. what would be the NTC on a lipo
53:52 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/Lk7oLCTMbnrBuu3x6 < i just took first pic i saw on google
58:02 <electrohead> o/
59:14 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr head
00:02 <Ampera> morning of the good variety
00:19 <Ampera> I was thinking of making breakfast today, but I didn't feel like getting up early enough to do so
00:25 <Ampera> so fucket
00:35 <hsn> hello Ampera
00:35 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
00:42 <hsn> gay count ++
00:49 <Ampera> EEVBlog, does it look like you're named Ampera, ya fat cunt?
00:49 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, Ampera!
01:22 <Ampera> I have so many monitors
01:25 <hsn> so ampera .. i like the camera on oneplus 8 pro
01:28 <hsn> buuuuut ..
01:38 <hsn> the software of my old pixel 2 was better
01:41 <hsn> :D
02:01 <Ampera> Yeah the software of neither the 1+8Pro nor Note 20 Ultra are very good as far as cameras
02:14 <hsn> https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-8-pro-google-camera-mod-port-urnyx05-telephoto-wide-angle-camera/
02:17 <hsn> i saw this
02:22 <hsn> but didnt try it
02:34 <Ampera> Yeah you can usually install google camera onto phones, but I have no clue how well it works
02:42 <Ampera> Oneplus has an excuse in being a much smaller developer so their software might not be as well done
02:45 <electrohead> good morning
02:46 <Ampera> but Samsung's shit stinks too
02:48 <hsn> they "portarit" mode thingy where it blurs far object of this software is absulute shit
03:06 <Ampera> I mean you can't even save an image as png, which is just unforgivable considering how easy it would have been to implement
03:15 <Ampera> Nor can you have it save lossless JPEGs
03:22 <Ampera> which would have also been acceptable
06:10 <JoePublic> Thank you yall, I'll give it a go
11:48 * Ysjoelfir hands electrohead a glass of hot black tea with palm sperm
18:46 <electrohead> palm sperm?
18:47 <electrohead> nice
19:10 <hsn> lol
19:23 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u really enjoy this stuff hah
21:44 <hsn> T3sl4: https://www.livescience.com/graphene-hides-rare-magnetism.html
23:59 * electrohead offers coffee without palm sperm
25:51 <T3sl4> neat
26:20 * T3sl4 milks an almond into electrohead's coffees
38:07 <rust_collector> pom pom pom
38:18 <rust_collector> doing things sucks
40:42 <rust_collector> ok, ms-polymer gunk... the box does not give me a time before it has set, and internet says anything from "5 to 10 minutes" and "at least 12 hours"
41:11 <K> it's a surprise!
41:21 * Ampera gives K soup
41:36 <Ampera> chicken alphabet noodle
41:53 <K> what kind of soup?
41:59 <Ampera> ...
42:04 <K> ah.
42:04 <Ampera> I just told you
42:10 <K> yes, thank you.
42:13 <rust_collector> well, it is really important, because if it really is at least 12 hours, I would be done for the day, which would be nice
42:20 * Ampera gives rust_collector rust soup
42:38 <rust_collector> yum yum. no one soups like Ampera
42:47 <K> what will you give hsn?
42:52 <Ampera> (paprika beef broth with potatoes and vegetables
43:02 * Ampera gives hsn some advice
43:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Algorithm™ really likes my IBM processor video, almost 300k views. Most views I've had in many years. https://t.co/170NhwiDln
44:00 * Ampera then gives hsn some shiitake-miso soba, served hot, with pieces of seared beef and chopped green onion
44:14 <hsn> thanks
44:23 <hsn> i ll give u somthing in return
44:32 <hsn> tmrw i've grilling on beach
44:37 <hsn> u come bahrain and join me
44:53 <hsn> chicken tikka grilled over charcoal and burgers
45:01 <Ysjoelfir> *_*
45:04 <Ampera> I'll jet set right on over, thanks
45:22 * Ysjoelfir looks at hsn's soup
45:31 <hsn> bring the hot stuff and onion
45:38 <hsn> good for burger
45:39 * Ysjoelfir drools
45:44 * Ysjoelfir drools into hsn's soup
45:45 <rust_collector> napalm and onions?
45:46 * Ampera gives Ysjoelfir french onion soup with discs of light, fluffy baguette to dip in it
46:01 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, dont do this .. im hungry ..
46:12 <hsn> and the bootloader doesnt work .. for some reason
46:42 <Ysjoelfir> uh, I haven't had onion soup for quite some time.
47:27 <hsn> fraustrating stuff .. i think its from here: https://snipboard.io/UOmSca.jpg
47:40 <Ampera> when I was last in germany my grandmother made pumpkin soup
47:46 <Ampera> think pea soup, thick, but pumpkin
47:50 <Ampera> I wasn't a fan
48:03 <Ampera> she did also make some nice marrow dumpling soup of some sort, I forget the specifics
48:11 <Ampera> that was nicer, and enough grease to sink a ship
48:36 <hsn> what is DRE :)
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49:00 <Ysjoelfir> xD
49:28 <Ampera> I am really enjoying my new monitor setup
49:31 <Ampera> finally I have not shit monitors
50:30 <hsn> where is ur shit monitors
50:32 <Ysjoelfir> I also enjoy my new monitor setup :)
50:49 <Ampera> hsn, in another dimension
50:53 <hsn> send me .. maybe i'll have no shit monitor after recieving ur shit monitor ? :D
55:03 <rust_collector> mornings
55:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: People losing their shit over the new Apple shoe phone not including a charger. Good. Maybe they'll learn that the world does not need more charges, and maybe even discover a wonderful new word called reuse.
55:31 <K> morning yourself
56:12 <rust_collector> yaay
57:16 <rust_collector> I am watching the neighbor aggressively cleaning her car. she looks pretty pissed off
59:32 <electrohead> lol, do you see any blood on her car?
59:44 <hsn> haha
59:48 <hsn> hahaha ... !!!!!
59:52 <hsn> :@
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