// #eevblog — 2020-10-20
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00:00:00 <hsn> the wire was disconnected this whole time
00:00:05 <Ampera> >new phone with marginal improvements comes out next year
00:00:06 <Ampera> >reuse
00:00:09 <Ampera> pick one
00:00:15 <Ysjoelfir> reuse
00:00:16 <hsn> reuse
00:01:15 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/JzkQgd.jpg the crap work here .. but not in lab :)
00:01:38 <Ampera> that for a plane?
00:01:47 <hsn> no plane ever
00:01:54 <hsn> this product is not going to see light
00:01:58 <Ampera> aww
00:02:03 <hsn> this company is shit :D
00:02:08 <Ampera> I wanted a sucky wucky crap-o-tron 3000 in my house :/
00:02:26 <hsn> crap-o-tron
00:02:32 <hsn> googleable ?
00:03:44 <Ampera> you can try
00:03:46 <electrohead> o/
00:03:50 * Ampera hugs electrohead
00:03:55 * electrohead hugs back
00:04:17 <hsn> it took 5 minutes to upload the firmware .. what a shitty bootloader
00:04:51 <hsn> Erase flash
00:04:51 <hsn> Done in 63.478 seconds
00:04:51 <hsn> Write 76724 bytes to flash (1199 pages)
00:04:52 <hsn> Done in 211.004 seconds
00:04:52 <hsn> Verify 76724 bytes of flash
00:04:52 <hsn> Verify successful
00:04:53 <hsn> Done in 57.554 seconds
00:07:15 <steve30> hi
00:07:23 <Ampera> hi steve30, how are you doing?
00:07:41 <steve30> I woke up, but I want to go back to bed soon
00:08:00 <hsn> sorry not allowed
00:08:09 <hsn> get a coffee
00:08:25 <hsn> hello electrohead
00:08:42 <Ampera> steve30, I want to do that whenever I wake up
00:09:19 <hsn> Ampera, do whatttttt ?
00:09:23 <hsn> do whaaaa?
00:09:30 <Ampera> go back to bed
00:09:54 * hsn sends ctrl+z to Ampera
00:10:25 <Ampera> huh?
00:12:45 * electrohead ctrl+c 's hsn
00:13:26 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr head
00:13:33 * Ampera plinks a super key across electrohead's electroforehead
00:13:51 <electrohead> lol
00:17:37 <steve30> Ampera, I bought an HDV camcorder on ebay
00:21:32 <Ampera> steve30, oh that's awesome
00:21:35 <Ampera> how much did you pay
00:21:45 <steve30> £110
00:21:56 <Ampera> Nice, I've seen HDV cameras go for stupid money
00:22:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The @Raspberry_Pi Compute Module 4 has a production lifetime commitment until at least 2028. Assuming of course, component vendors play ball. https://t.co/pBNM0UbeQQ
00:23:19 <steve30> Apparently the firewire port is broken. I'll take a chance on its repairability.
00:23:20 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-hvr-a1-HDV-DVCAM/284041717374
00:25:20 <Ampera> Listening to some ELO, as I haven't in a while
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00:40:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Yes, Victorians have an official public holiday every year because an important AFL footy game is on the next day. #Australia https://t.co/4du7hO5Xu6
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00:46:37 <Ampera> the awful football league
00:57:24 <T3sl4> it'll be a crazy day indeed when AFL (Ampera Finally Laughs)
00:57:31 <Ampera> top kek
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02:40:37 <DHess_US> Stupid Chinese stink bug landed in my hair and stinked me.
02:49:22 <K> you've been marked
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03:08:10 * arch puts T3sl4 in a barrel and floats him down niagara falls
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03:50:52 <rust_collector> heh, and suddenly I have a new phone, and pizza.
03:50:59 <rust_collector> not a bad day, maybe
04:24:22 <hsn> Woh
04:24:35 <hsn> Lemme picture u my bbq stuff
04:29:33 <hsn> New phone
04:29:40 <hsn> Nice
04:29:53 <hsn> What its called
04:32:09 <rust_collector> rolf
04:33:45 <hsn> Rofl?
04:33:57 <rust_collector> rolf!
04:34:13 <rust_collector> like gerolf, just without the ge
04:46:58 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JWP8dXUc1i9YJZsG7
04:48:54 <rust_collector> what is the very yellow powder?
04:49:07 <arch> dried poop
04:49:07 <rust_collector> 4 from left
04:49:14 <rust_collector> makes sense
04:49:27 <hsn> Turmeric
04:49:49 <rust_collector> aaawww. I was hoping it was something super exotic
04:51:03 <hsn> Do u know all others
04:51:22 <rust_collector> no, but they look boring
04:51:49 <hsn> These all are going for the grill bbq
04:53:36 <rust_collector> sounds good
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05:00:03 <T3sl4> arch :3
05:00:25 <arch> no :3 face, $350 fine
05:00:30 <Ampera> :3
05:00:33 <Ampera> :3 :3 :3
05:00:35 <Ampera> >:3
05:00:50 <arch> watch out guys, we got a badass over here
05:01:28 <Ampera> Ɛ:<
05:01:32 * T3sl4 bonks arch with an anime bat from the paleolithic era
05:01:58 * arch slaps T3sl4 with a tentacle
05:02:02 <T3sl4> owo
05:02:05 <T3sl4> mmm, so i picked up some blackberries
05:02:11 * T3sl4 pelts Ampera with some
05:02:12 <Ampera> that's racist
05:02:16 * Ampera eats some anyways
05:02:25 <T3sl4> berries of color
05:02:34 <Ampera> so colored berries?
05:03:30 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juWW53qkHhY
05:04:38 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marston_Moor
05:06:13 <T3sl4> https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/7fdd9d81-35c3-49f5-b1d2-cdeaa92bf44d
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05:15:10 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGVAV2mqE7y/?igshid=kah9c08qwftb
05:15:14 <hsn> Ops
05:15:21 * Ampera smacks hsn with the anti-instagram paddle
05:15:36 <hsn> I just remembered u here
05:15:39 <hsn> XD
05:15:46 <jackbrown> Does anyone knows how to remove that damn white hot glue on the PCB ? (No the isopropyl alcool doesn't works)
05:16:18 <hsn> White hot glue? Doesnt it get out with a knife?
05:29:39 <Ampera> Knife, hot air gun set to low with a paper towel (be very very careful)
05:33:26 <jackbrown> hsn: Ampera how air gun doesn't melt it, and yes with a knife came away but is a pain in the arse, the common hot glue goes away easily using isopropyl alcool
05:33:44 <Ampera> well if hot air doesn't do it, it's not hot glue
05:34:10 <jackbrown> someone in another channel told me that is "silastic silicone"
05:34:23 <Ampera> so it's silicone based
05:34:51 <jackbrown> Ampera: no way to remove it easily as hot glue ?
05:35:16 <Ampera> What's weird is that alcohol usually dissolves silicone
05:35:46 <Ampera> yeah mechanical removal is the best thing I can think of
05:35:53 <Ampera> you can just try throwing solvents at it until it works I guess
05:35:58 <jackbrown> Ampera: i tried with IPA but didn't work, it seems that IPA instead works fine with hot glue
05:36:08 <Ampera> well what's the concentration
05:36:17 <jackbrown> Ampera: until i will dissolve the PCB :)
05:36:25 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's 99% IPA
05:36:36 <Ampera> maybe you should try a lager instead :3
05:41:06 <jackbrown> Ampera: maybe I should try https://wd40.co.uk/tips-and-tricks/how-to-remove-silicone/
05:41:19 <Ampera> WD-40 might work
05:41:30 <Ampera> but it sounds like a hard silicone, and these really only work to soften it iirc
05:41:45 <Ampera> so it'll probably only make mechanical removal a bit easlier
05:41:48 <Ampera> er, easier
05:41:49 <jackbrown> Ampera: "lager" what's a lager ?
05:41:55 <Ampera> sort of beer
05:42:02 <Ampera> as opposed to India Pale ALe
05:42:03 <jackbrown> Ampera: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPkAyKhwNOipe6hSDuXi1SfzeGOqcpZJI_iJaXHbcGhEnM62EMwF0TCS5zowAgBZ3FPhZnzQJy22c5mEYfT54
05:42:04 <Ampera> er, Ale
05:42:09 <jackbrown> Ampera: ah ok
05:42:16 <Ampera> I'm aware of what lager looks like :P
05:43:13 <jackbrown> Ampera: I guess
05:49:14 <rust_collector> hsn, what kind of cakes is going to happen in the first few days?
06:08:00 <hsn> rust_collector: bread
06:08:15 <hsn> We're going healthy
06:08:17 <rust_collector> BOOOO!
06:09:54 <rust_collector> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
06:10:32 <rust_collector> healthy sucks, are you going to safety also? always walk around with hi-vis, and a hard hat?
06:10:43 <rust_collector> sick
06:11:07 <hsn> Not my dicision
06:11:28 <rust_collector> you can buy snacks on your way to work
06:13:49 <hsn> Cookies count?
06:13:58 <hsn> Lemme share my bbq setup
06:14:18 <rust_collector> if they are full of tasty things... cookies are ok
06:14:45 <rust_collector> and when it comes to tasty things and cookies, that does in general mean fat and sugar
06:21:43 <hsn> Dont mind being fat
06:21:51 <hsn> Ill die in 40s
06:24:52 <rust_collector> 40 seconds?
06:25:02 <rust_collector> that is quick. totally worth it
06:32:21 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9uJkKS3R6KCqra3EA
06:32:26 <hsn> rust_collector:
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06:36:39 <hsn> rust_collector: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bcNioetTbkJ5AKHv5
06:36:55 <hsn> First bread
06:38:25 <hsn> That chicken gonna be there for one day to get the taste of the stuff
06:39:04 <rust_collector> that bread does not look like it is dry and tasteless enough to be healthy
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06:53:40 <hsn> Not that type of healthy rust_collector ..
06:53:50 <hsn> The non boring healthy
06:53:57 <rust_collector> oh
06:54:10 * rust_collector does not understand
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08:10:12 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/ojM19HW.jpeg
08:14:44 <Halcyon> Mmmm coffee
08:17:07 * Halcyon coffees all over steve30
08:17:28 <steve30> yum
08:24:38 <Halcyon> Phwar, made it a bit strong
08:25:36 <rust_collector> that keeps the fork from sinking in too deep, it is good
08:32:53 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_PWX7uDSw
08:33:05 <Halcyon> I'm guessing Panzerkampfwagen means tank?
08:34:41 <rust_collector> armored fighting vehicle, but yes, in that case, it is
08:35:02 <Halcyon> I never knew they had a manual start
08:35:29 <steve30> i feel a bit better now i've had a long sleep
08:35:46 <Halcyon> That's good Steve :) *hugs*
08:35:59 <Halcyon> I was going to mow the lawn today but it's raining
08:36:19 <rust_collector> yesterdays soup is finally ready!
08:36:52 <Halcyon> :D
08:36:56 <Halcyon> Slow cooking?
08:37:15 <rust_collector> My old mower did like slightly wet grass. it cut very nice after a little bit of rain
08:37:24 <rust_collector> no, I just reheated it
08:37:27 <Halcyon> Ah :)
08:37:37 <Halcyon> I thought mowing wet grass just jammed everything up?
08:37:52 <rust_collector> me too. But I guess it depends
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08:39:25 <steve30> i prefer dry grass, but wet grass is usually do-able
08:39:41 <Halcyon> Meh, there is always tomorrow :P
08:40:12 <rust_collector> I guess the best part about mowing wet grass, is that you do not get all the dust and pollen stuff
08:40:27 <Halcyon> Very true
08:42:10 <Halcyon> I also just learned that "Crying at the Discoteque" by Alcazar was based off "Spacer" by Sheila B. Devotion
08:42:33 <Halcyon> Is nothing farken original anymore?
08:42:42 <steve30> You didn't know that?
08:42:54 <Halcyon> No
08:43:32 <Halcyon> I'm learnding :P
08:43:41 <rust_collector> heh. I do not know any of those, I think...
08:44:21 <Halcyon> Surely you could have heard Alcazar's version? It was very popular
08:44:26 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CiOWcUVGJM
08:46:04 <rust_collector> uhm. no? I do not think I have heard that before
08:47:44 <Halcyon> What kind of music do you normally listen to?
08:48:33 <rust_collector> well. it is a lot of different stuff, but most is metal-ish
08:57:30 <steve30> i should get some food
08:57:37 <Halcyon> Yeh I should have breakfast
08:58:08 <rust_collector> have some old metal while you eat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8
09:00:37 <coppice> rust_collector: too modern. try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N-aCuWo4-Y
09:10:57 <steve30> Halcyon, you should watch my coronavirus video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBOkJlhm_VA
09:16:45 <electrohead> o/
09:20:23 * T3sl4 sips a mocha coffee
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09:53:44 * Halcyon watches
09:54:06 <Halcyon> Where is your skimpy outfit Steve? I'm disappointed :P
09:54:22 <steve30> hehe
10:02:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1343 - DEAD Deck Cree LED's https://t.co/2OPaq9sEYU
10:52:38 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/Johnnypapa64/status/1289664233131479041
11:41:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Most are at least mindful of other people trying take advantage of them. But far fewer are mindful of ideas, movements, and ideologies attempting to do the same thing.
11:43:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Richard Stephenson: The @OSIRISREx Touch and Go (TAG) event will be supported by Canberra's DSS35 as a level 1 (DSN's most critical) with Canberra Operations covering the TAG itself. I've decided to allocate the support to... after careful consideration...to me 😉. This is so exciting!! https://t.co/nJRfHUsA7Q
11:47:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Give me a good reason why I shouldn't upgrade all my 4 way power points to 5 way. https://t.co/UbbFndeQcu
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13:44:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Australia needs a Bill of Rights now more than ever.
14:01:42 <Halcyon> Mmmm that was a good nap
14:01:59 <steve30> nap sounds like a good idea
14:03:05 <Halcyon> Jerry sat on the pillow with me
14:04:28 <steve30> aww
14:05:51 <Halcyon> Steve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65NQg6iXDw
14:05:52 <Halcyon> Cutie
14:08:59 <steve30> :)
14:10:15 <steve30> I maintain that the guy in the first few seconds of that coronavirus video is cute :p
14:10:26 <Halcyon> True
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14:29:24 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqfnY5kdxbk
14:29:34 <Halcyon> Crap, what is that tune they ripped off in this video?
14:29:40 <Halcyon> Nevermind just worked it out!
14:30:27 <Halcyon> I'm guessing Alcazar never did any of their own songs
14:30:34 <steve30000> i wonder if he's gay
14:30:41 <Halcyon> Maybe just a little bit :P
14:36:51 <Halcyon> Oh there you go Steve, he is married to a guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Carlsson
14:37:47 <steve30000> cool
14:38:15 <Halcyon> I should stop procrastinating
14:39:04 * steve30000 is a bit tired again
14:43:14 * steve30000 collapses onto Halcyon
14:43:23 <Halcyon> You can help me tidy my server room :)
14:44:10 <steve30000> ok...
14:44:17 * steve30000 curls up on a warm cosy server
14:45:04 <Halcyon> Two things before I go...
14:45:24 <Halcyon> Firstly, did they not find it necessary to re-shoot this scene where he gets soapy water in his mouth: https://youtu.be/bCs2XHDtB0w?t=85
14:45:35 <Halcyon> Secondly, why the hell did they need to butcher that song?
14:46:50 <steve30000> does it matter if he gets soapy water in his mouth? I'd expect that to happen if you are singing while squeezing a soapy sponge
14:47:11 <Halcyon> I feel it wasn't intentional :P
14:47:38 <Halcyon> Also you don't wash fire trucks indoors
14:48:35 <steve30000> Well, I'm not sure you get girls dancing around the poles in fire stations either normally
14:48:52 <Halcyon> It's frowned upon. WH&S. We never had one in our station.
14:49:43 <steve30000> Our local fire station has a pole, although I gather most of the firemen just use the stairs.
14:49:57 <Halcyon> Yeh some of the new stations in Sydney do as well
14:50:09 <Halcyon> You have to do a course before you can use it though
14:51:04 <steve30000> I'd assume that would be part of a fireman's standard training
14:51:36 <Halcyon> I don't think so, most stations don't have them.
14:52:25 <Halcyon> Anyway, going to do something useful
15:29:19 <hsn> Hey Halcyon
15:29:58 <hsn> Hey steve*10^2
15:30:14 <hsn> ^3
15:38:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Hydrogen powered cars will NEVER gain traction for one reason, home charging, which is the greatest benefit of EV's. No one actually wants to have to go somewhere to fill up their car, so why buy another car that requires that? Ok, home hydrogen solutions exist, but it's dumb.
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16:26:24 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
16:26:37 <hsn> gm
16:26:42 <hsn> c u later
16:26:43 <hsn> :D
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17:23:19 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon, steve30000, hsn and whoever is here, too
17:29:20 <Halcyon> Morning Ysjoelfir
17:29:37 * Ysjoelfir sips on his yuzu tea
17:29:43 <Ysjoelfir> so, what are you up to?
17:36:25 <steve30000> hello
17:36:31 * steve30000 coffees
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17:38:44 * Ysjoelfir swapps steve3's coffee with sweetened black tea with milk
17:39:02 <steve30> :/
17:39:25 <Ysjoelfir> nice, isn't it?
17:40:14 <steve30> :\
17:41:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh, not sweet enough?
17:41:48 * Ysjoelfir adds 4 additional tablets of sweetener
17:42:08 * steve30 fires the coffee hose at Ysjoelfir
17:42:35 <Ysjoelfir> ew
17:42:41 <Ysjoelfir> I hate coffee
17:42:58 <Ysjoelfir> also now my clothes are dirty. I bought that dress specifically for my job application today!
17:52:06 <steve30> i'm looking forward to bed time
17:53:18 <Ysjoelfir> I just ended that one hour ago
17:53:39 <Ysjoelfir> I'm looking forward to being home again time... hope this job application stupidity is over quickly
18:20:54 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL, a mainstream test equipment companies digital marketing manager emailed me at my HATE email address. Yes, I read my hate mail.
18:22:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: CanberraDSN: Tune in at 8amAEDT to @NASA TV for the live broadcast as @OSIRISREx attempts to land on asteroid #Bennu and collect a sample for return to Earth. https://t.co/S3xGYb9FSs Our 34-metre antenna Deep Space Station 35 #DSS35 will be providing communication support. 📡〰️〰️〰️〰️〰️🛰🔹 https://t.co/kYtf6JMVxL
18:38:34 <K> hello
18:46:29 <hsn> hi k
18:46:43 <hsn> hi Ysjoelfir new job ?
18:46:58 <Ysjoelfir> pffff I don't know yet?
18:47:30 <hsn> what is it
18:47:37 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/TmBIbq.jpg this is how i like my bus
18:47:52 <hsn> electrons enjoy doing the "work"
18:47:54 <Ysjoelfir> pcb layouting
18:47:57 <Ysjoelfir> that bus is so nice
18:48:28 <hsn> high speed stuff Ysjoelfir ?
18:50:29 <K> untill the bus suddenly accelerates when you are on first turn, and you fall out, head first
18:51:37 <rust_collector> the bus is still nice. it is you, that is not supposed to be on your rollerblades upstairs...
18:51:39 <K> "why are you late, hsn? and whay is your noggin all flat and dirty?"
18:54:50 <hsn> tire wasnt flat .. bus was flat
18:55:00 <Ysjoelfir> no idea hsn, haven't been there yet
18:55:42 <K> have an interview, Ysjoelfir ?
18:55:50 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ah ok .. i thought u went to an interview ..
18:56:50 <Ysjoelfir> cool, I'm just fiddling with the import tarif stuff for my client. seems like I can't import torture devices to germany, except from when they are from "Ceuta" or "Melilla". If they are from there, it would have 0% import tax. cool. not what I was looking for, but still good to know
18:57:02 <Ysjoelfir> I will go to an interview this afternoon, yes
18:57:09 <Ysjoelfir> but I'm still not excited about that company
19:00:56 <hsn> hmmm why .. what they do what their size
19:01:10 <hsn> ok .. i thought u allready went to interview :D
19:03:14 <rust_collector> oh, just go! lol. right now
19:05:49 <Ysjoelfir> they do mainly pcb production. but they have a small office for layouts. its that company I applied for in march already, who didn't respond, then they came back to me in may, I wrote again my details, no response, then all of the sudden last month they were like "OMFG is he still interested??? we need you ASAP!", I called - noone "home". called again, nothing. arranged a call with the sales guy, he was like "oh yeah, I'll tell mr. boss,
19:05:50 <Ysjoelfir> call him again at 1700" - I called him. nothing. called the next day: "oh, yes, mr. sales guy told me you will be calling. yes, I have to talk with my son if we want to invite you. I'll call you then. bye.". 4 weeks no sign of life again. then last week mr sales guy came to me again, asked if I could come over today. which I couldn't as I was on sickleave last week, so I arranged the meeting for today.
19:06:02 <Ysjoelfir> I'm already sick and tired of this company before even going there, lol
19:06:40 <Ysjoelfir> also mr. sales guy was like "oh, you have 2.5 days off per month now? you have flexible work hours and a reasonably good salary? oh... that might be a problem then" when we talked
19:07:29 <K> wth
19:08:19 <hsn> seems labour mentality company .. typical here
19:08:29 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: yeah, they can go suck a 0%-import-tax device
19:09:53 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, its probably better than no job at all, but.. meh. also, according to internet reviews, the boss family is very nosy and observing everything you do
19:11:31 <rust_collector> well, at least it is a job you know you do not like much. it is something
19:17:09 <Ysjoelfir> true
19:19:26 <rust_collector> I think you should use bolts inside bolts some time. that is really handy.
19:21:09 <rust_collector> maybe not so much for pcb layout things, but
19:21:32 <rust_collector> but if you can manage to do that, you will get 13 points from me
19:21:38 <Ysjoelfir> xD
19:21:49 <Ysjoelfir> I might end up drawing a dick on some customers PCB some day
19:22:04 <rust_collector> that is good
19:22:24 <rust_collector> or a pig with the boss name
19:22:57 <Ysjoelfir> I already did end up drawing some tracks like an inverse svastika accidentally on one PCB I made in this company.... luckily noone noticed that. god, that was so embarrasing xD
19:24:49 <rust_collector> mmkay
19:26:03 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. I mean, it was only kind of visible and a bit crooked, but I still felt bad that I didn#t notice that earlyer
19:26:38 <rust_collector> maybe it was the best shape for what it has to do?
19:30:14 <Ysjoelfir> it was. also it was right beside the slightly irritated looking relays
19:31:07 <rust_collector> wth?
19:32:47 <rust_collector> you have to design something that most of the time would not have people looking inside, hide a button in there, and have it play some music, or hitler speaking, or something, depending on what day it is, and what it is.
19:33:40 <rust_collector> I mean, if you are working on a complicated thingie for a power blahblah, it should be possible to hide that in there
19:34:10 <K> well
19:34:24 <K> if he'd put "dont stick your dick in here", someone probably will
19:34:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
19:34:48 <rust_collector> not a bad idea
19:38:14 <rust_collector> "this device will not fit in your butt"
19:40:34 <K> "this device will not fit in your butt when energised"
19:52:09 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/PSPWMFC_Why.png
19:52:29 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D
19:52:36 <Ysjoelfir> that.. thing. :D
19:53:47 <T3sl4> sir richard rear
19:57:37 <Ysjoelfir> :P
20:00:18 <hsn> svastika
20:00:23 <hsn> googleable
20:01:22 <hsn> T3sl4, that duck .. why is it here again ?
20:01:28 <hsn> bird .. whatever
20:01:35 <T3sl4> what?
20:03:03 <Halcyon> What the duck?
20:03:12 * T3sl4 honks Halcyon
20:03:21 <hsn> T3sl4, on left .. corner .. a bird on the pcb
20:03:27 <hsn> walking smiling
20:03:58 <hsn> T3sl4, also ..https://snipboard.io/lLHshc.jpg
20:03:59 <hsn> green is heatsink mounted with L wierd shape metals ? ...
20:04:00 <rust_collector> maybe it is not unhappy?
20:04:00 <T3sl4> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dick-butt
20:04:26 <hsn> dick butt huh
20:04:29 <T3sl4> hsn, heatsink bracket, mounting, and exposed solderable surface for higher current capacity
20:04:37 <hsn> abd red thing ?
20:04:50 <hsn> oh yeah
20:04:51 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/PSPWMFC_Layout.png
20:04:54 <Halcyon> You're weird T3sl4
20:04:56 <hsn> red is higher current
20:04:57 <hsn> ok
20:05:34 <hsn> what is this psu
20:05:43 <T3sl4> just a project
20:05:44 <hsn> 110v ?
20:05:57 <T3sl4> still need to finish it, actually
20:06:27 <steve30> o/
20:06:33 <hsn> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/PSPWM_Screenshot_Main.png
20:06:36 <Ysjoelfir> that looks sexy
20:06:54 <hsn> u like dicky butts?
20:06:57 <hsn> Ysjoelfir,
20:07:04 <Ysjoelfir> 2016, thats.... recent :P
20:07:15 <T3sl4> sorta? :P
20:07:17 <Ysjoelfir> no, not realy. I loke anal though
20:07:22 <Ysjoelfir> *like
20:07:23 <hsn> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/PSPWM_PCB1.jpg
20:07:29 <hsn> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/PSPWM.png
20:07:38 <hsn> cool
20:07:58 <Ysjoelfir> hand drawn, ew ;P thats so 80s!
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20:08:08 <T3sl4> it's made for a few configurations, full bridge forward/resonant, phase shift PWM or frequency modulated, LV to HV or HV to LV
20:08:08 <Ysjoelfir> (I like hand drawn schematics actually)
20:08:14 <hsn> TIMCAD
20:08:54 <hsn> T3sl4, a switch mode .. i understand nothing after :P
20:09:27 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, did u notice ?
20:09:43 <hsn> T3sl4 draws resistors as inductors ..
20:10:03 <Ysjoelfir> thats how those americans draw them :P
20:10:05 <hsn> what an RF guy ..
20:10:31 <T3sl4> nah, my inductors are curly
20:10:58 <hsn> curly how ... im telling u this is inductors :D
20:11:14 <hsn> u wiggle soft and one side .. that aint resistors
20:11:27 <T3sl4> same way i draw em on graphics https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/12BY7A_Wideband.png
20:11:49 <hsn> oh full circles its
20:12:00 <hsn> ok make sense
20:12:56 <hsn> T3sl4, teach me this design .. except this butt dick .. i ll be ur slave :)
20:12:58 <hsn> :D
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20:15:49 <Ysjoelfir> first, start with twoooobs.
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20:16:01 <hsn> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/ResonantSupplySch.png
20:16:21 <hsn> twoobs ?
20:16:32 <Ysjoelfir> twoooobs
20:16:35 <T3sl4> thats a smaller one https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/ResonantGateDriver.jpg but neat
20:16:43 <T3sl4> threebs?
20:17:05 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
20:17:13 <Ysjoelfir> no, just twooobs. maybe also without a w.
20:17:20 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a coffee
20:17:26 <steve30> :P
20:17:26 <Ysjoelfir> I like that PCB inductor you used on that smaller one
20:17:42 * Ysjoelfir grabs his sweet tea and approaches steve30's coffee
20:18:05 * steve30 protects the valuable coffee
20:18:15 * Halcyon eyes off steve30's coffee
20:18:15 <T3sl4> cofftea?
20:19:34 <hsn> what is toobs
20:19:43 <Halcyon> Oh I love toobs
20:19:47 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toobs
20:19:53 <hsn> Halcyon stuff
20:19:59 <Halcyon> They were delicious
20:20:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u like the pcb inductor i like everything
20:21:01 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DistAmp2.jpg you'll love this then, tube amp powered by switching supply :P
20:21:41 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon
20:21:52 <Halcyon> ;-)
20:22:57 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/3h5P1N.jpg what u guys think
20:25:11 <rust_collector> those are great, you can just slash them with a knife to disable, and walk out of the store
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21:09:58 <hsn> <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DistAmp2.jpg you'll love this then, tube amp powered by switching supply :P
21:10:03 <hsn> woaah woaah woaaha
21:10:59 <K> calm down there satan!
21:11:10 <rust_collector> what?
21:11:25 <hsn> rust_collector, he reads it as a evil laugh
21:11:32 <hsn> just how he internally laughs
21:12:44 <hsn> T3sl4, whats this setup .. pre complience conducted emission ?
21:13:05 <T3sl4> just testing an amplifier
21:13:19 <K> emission is "yes."
21:13:20 <T3sl4> K: what's wrong, pussycat?
21:13:35 <hsn> there is no a "just" in that picture T3sl4
21:13:36 <hsn> :D
21:13:50 <K> T3sl4, needs selenium stacks for rectifying
21:14:27 * T3sl4 selenides K
21:14:48 <K> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_rectifier
21:15:23 <K> they must have some redeeming quality, i am sure of it
21:15:33 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a hug
21:15:50 <T3sl4> the smellier magic smoke inside them perhaps?
21:16:07 <hsn> this guy was asking about "making a plate that moves small piece of metal with magnatic field i suggested ... pcb coils .. but ... hmm
21:16:11 * T3sl4 smacks Ampera with a breakfast cereal
21:16:15 <hsn> is it good suggestion ?
21:16:21 <T3sl4> hsn, it's been done, yes
21:16:31 <hsn> is there a name for it?
21:16:33 <K> prolly could sell some linear psus with those, saying - "Our vintage-pre-nuke selenium stacks ensure there is no noise from radioactive decay"
21:16:44 <K> to audiophiles
21:17:10 <T3sl4> make sure they use silver plates for "presence"
21:17:42 <K> ofc
21:17:51 <K> what do you take me for?
21:18:01 <hsn> https://youtu.be/EJZX66JzVDo
21:18:12 <hsn> https://youtu.be/A9eIAHiXQ_I
21:18:27 <K> hsn, that is cool
21:23:18 <rust_collector> anything made in lego is good
21:24:46 * Halcyon does a running hug towards Ampera
21:24:52 <Ampera> <3
21:24:54 <Ampera> how do
21:24:58 <Halcyon> I'm good
21:25:03 <Halcyon> How you doing?
21:25:03 <Ampera> just got up, about to go make food of some sort
21:25:17 <Halcyon> I made this: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/5-ingredient-meatball-carbonara-recipe/j9q27ag0
21:25:23 <Halcyon> It was farken delicious
21:25:33 <Halcyon> Although I added heaps of pepper and chilli flakes
21:25:35 <Ampera> ah, meatball carabinieri
21:25:46 <Halcyon> It was my "CBF" dinner
21:26:42 <rust_collector> Halcyon, do you make anything that is not on taste.com
21:26:59 <Halcyon> Of course
21:27:27 <Ampera> the mess he makes is all him
21:29:05 <Ysjoelfir> cbf... reminds me of those small busses that drive around here. its from a club of people helping disabled persons. they call themselves "Club Behinderter und ihrer Freunde", and write the abbreviation "CeBeeF" (no idea where that first e is coming from) on their busses. its always nice to see someone from "See, Beef!" driving by.... :P
21:32:45 <rust_collector> 5-ingredient Contains gluten , milk , soy , sesame and wheat.
21:33:39 <Ampera> buh, one of my jumbo eggs broke in the fridge
21:34:07 <rust_collector> hippo eggs?
21:38:15 <Ampera> chicken eggs
21:40:20 <Ampera> I'm having fried eggs and mushrooms with sharp cheddar, bacon, and toast
21:41:12 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds nice
21:50:47 <hsn> Ampera, and i cant wait to test my chicken tikka tonight
21:51:15 <rust_collector> i think chicken tikka is a funny name
21:51:22 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/SjSvSs7sR2VtqCPE7
21:51:32 <hsn> what u call it rust_collector
21:51:41 <rust_collector> chicken
21:52:09 <rust_collector> I dunno? but there is something that makes me think chicken tikka just sounds weird
21:52:27 <Halcyon> Mmmm I like chicken tikka
21:54:13 <hsn> rust_collector, maybe .. just maybe .. bcz of this : https://youtu.be/o5FLYix3KPc
21:55:24 <rust_collector> what is the name of chicken down there, hsn ?
21:55:37 <hsn> "dajaj"
21:55:38 <rust_collector> with normal letters, lol
21:55:41 <rust_collector> ok
21:55:50 <hsn> if its female
21:55:56 <hsn> or singular
21:55:59 <hsn> "dajaja"
21:56:16 <hsn> "dajaj" is generic or chickens
21:57:05 <hsn> if its male .. it can be "deek" ..
21:57:06 <rust_collector> mmhmm. thanks
21:57:11 <hsn> bcz he has a dick maybe
21:57:25 <hsn> rooster u call it ?
21:57:28 <rust_collector> uh, does he?
21:57:31 <rust_collector> yes
21:57:47 <hsn> do u have "rooster fights" ?
21:58:57 <hsn> there are ppl who make money from it
21:59:01 <hsn> gambling
21:59:13 * Ampera got 6 yolks for the price of 5
22:00:52 <hsn> usually pakistani roosters
22:01:52 <rust_collector> well, we have regular pakistanis fighting, but not so much these days. they tend to work in their parents shops
22:02:15 <hsn> https://youtu.be/ZZ9WHktaK1o
22:02:55 <hsn> thailand: https://youtu.be/qW9swDRZurA?t=25
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22:06:10 <hsn> of the stupid heads claiming his rooster is originally came from hawk
22:06:10 <hsn> hahah
22:08:20 <Ampera> eggs are now egged
22:09:51 <hsn> https://youtu.be/XrOTgZ14fJg?t=132 << the dance is sexy
22:09:58 <hsn> 2:20
22:11:18 * T3sl4 scotches Ampera's eeggggs
22:11:19 <rust_collector> you are not just a little bit weird
22:13:11 <hsn> scotches
22:13:19 <hsn> as scotch tape ?
22:13:27 <Halcyon> Mmmm I want a scotch egg
22:13:35 <Ampera> hsn, boiled egg, coated in sausage + breadcrumb, then fried
22:13:45 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_egg
22:13:56 * T3sl4 eggs on Halcyon
22:14:08 <Halcyon> \o/
22:14:24 <hsn> In the United States, many "British-style" pubs and eateries serve Scotch eggs
22:14:42 <hsn> maybe T3sl4 loves british pubs
22:14:59 <Ampera> in the UK, many UK-style pubs also serve scotch eggs
22:15:05 <Halcyon> I am going to make some tomorrow. I have never had one
22:15:17 <rust_collector> here, hsn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Dg3ohnSK4
22:15:29 <Halcyon> Pork pie's also look delicious
22:15:35 <hsn> rust_collector, haha
22:16:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, they did until I was told they are eaten cold
22:16:17 <Ampera> meat pie cold doesn't sit right with me
22:16:22 <Halcyon> Yeh fuck that, I would heat them
22:16:50 <Ampera> if enhanox were here he'd be mighty disappointed in you, unfortunately we have to settle for coppice
22:16:59 <Halcyon> And steve30
22:17:00 <Ampera> who will be mighty apathetic at you
22:17:39 <Halcyon> Anyway, bed time... might re-watch some classic Ashens
22:18:18 <T3sl4> you're a pathetic, Ampera
22:26:16 <hsn> T3sl4, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/ResonantStage1.png << what software
22:28:10 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/acvSnSQ.png
22:29:29 <T3sl4> the movie quote being "mooltipass", the screenshot being multisim
22:33:56 <hsn> T3sl4, https://youtu.be/LkYDTRwiRO0
22:34:09 <hsn> skip to 1:15
22:35:00 <T3sl4> yike
22:36:07 <T3sl4> the one thing he paid more in taxes than
22:39:51 <hsn> a great wall
22:40:09 <hsn> a nice wall
22:41:16 <T3sl4> the best walls
22:42:44 <hsn> handred percent
22:42:49 <hsn> https://youtu.be/2J9y6s_ukBQ?t=78
22:47:32 <T3sl4> and did you know mexico paid for it? /s
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23:13:48 <hsn> T3sl4, they paid without knowing about it
23:14:20 <hsn> they paid extra money .. that extra trump just donated
23:15:45 <rust_collector> i thought he just bribed jesus or something?
23:16:22 <T3sl4> more like, recognizing the grifter's art
23:16:28 <electrohead> g'morning
23:16:37 * Ampera sneezes at electrohead
23:16:38 <Ampera> good morning
23:16:44 <T3sl4> he's on the record acknowledging them as such ("wealth gospel" shitters and such)
23:16:51 * electrohead sanitizes Ampera
23:16:52 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead
23:17:03 <T3sl4> good mourning Ampera
23:17:10 * electrohead hugs back
23:17:11 <Ampera> electrohead, you can't sanitize me, I have no sanity to sanitize
23:17:21 <electrohead> :P
23:17:35 * T3sl4 madinizes Ampera
23:17:41 * Ampera throws eggs of one hour's past at T3sl4
23:18:01 * rust_collector satanizes mr head
23:18:09 <electrohead> lol
23:18:10 <Ampera> ELO's early shit is really good, I haven't given it as much attention as I should have
23:18:12 <T3sl4> mmm, past egg
23:18:23 <T3sl4> your shit is really good
23:18:27 <T3sl4> like chocolate cake yeah
23:18:41 <Ampera> The list of things wrong with you, T3sl4, grows.
23:19:09 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJsQEaJUzIQ
23:19:24 * Ampera saves that to listen to later
23:19:29 <Ampera> after ELO has been ELO'd
23:19:46 <rust_collector> T3sl4 is our savior, he takes on all the wrong things, for you and me
23:21:01 <Ampera> a-ha, he doesn't take on me, though.
23:21:18 <rust_collector> pffft
23:21:38 <hsn> russty
23:22:02 <rust_collector> ACTUALLY ..... hmm?
23:22:05 * Ampera corrodes and oxidizes hsn
23:22:10 <hsn> T3sl4, never likes trump .. if trump paid more at church .. T3sl4 would say .. he is buying votes
23:22:32 <hsn> no matter what trump does .. T3sl4 will always not satisfied
23:22:38 <rust_collector> so?
23:22:51 <hsn> so vote trump
23:22:55 <Ampera> will do
23:22:58 <T3sl4> not sure what you're getting at
23:23:19 <Ampera> I don't want to live in a nation without a shitty president.
23:23:23 <Ampera> it just wouldn't feel right
23:23:35 <rust_collector> I would rather have trump as president than having to do that myself.
23:23:45 <T3sl4> Ampera, good thing we're getting another shitty neolib
23:23:52 <Ampera> neolib?
23:23:52 <hsn> T3sl4, trump vs biden ?
23:23:59 <Ampera> he's more establishment than some government buildings
23:24:07 <T3sl4> yes that's what i said
23:24:18 <Ampera> you mean biden?
23:24:21 <T3sl4> and older than some
23:24:34 <Ampera> we get a you vote you lose situation
23:24:57 <rust_collector> like most elections, I guess
23:25:00 <hsn> T3sl4, i can tell you an advantage of trump u cant find in other president
23:25:19 <Ampera> I don't give a shit about Biden, what pisses me off is how stupid the Democrats run their elections. I don't feel like he was chosen even remotely democratically.
23:25:32 <Ampera> and when we only ever have two choices at the end of the day, that's a big upset for me
23:25:33 <hsn> he is straight forward .. he cant hide it ...
23:25:37 <T3sl4> the dems have a lot to loose if they let an actual progressive in
23:25:52 <Ampera> so I'd rather vote for the democratically chosen dipshit than the establishment chosen dipshit
23:25:55 <T3sl4> they pulled out all the stops to keep sanders from the nomination
23:25:56 <Ampera> good
23:26:03 <Ampera> they need to burn
23:26:26 <Ampera> the democrats have learned nothing since their days of running the KKK.
23:26:45 <Ampera> if only the Republicans had
23:27:22 <T3sl4> Ampera, so, i guess, this is relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Vah8sUFgI
23:27:46 <Ampera> a 23 minute video?
23:27:49 <Ampera> what do I have, all day?
23:27:55 <T3sl4> clearly
23:28:00 <Ampera> good point
23:28:32 <T3sl4> anyway, not that your opinion matters, you've stated that you don't want good things for yourself or others
23:28:48 <Ampera> there is no voting for good
23:28:52 <Ampera> at this point there's only voting for funny
23:29:10 <T3sl4> and not that any of your opinions matter to me as i voted like literally a month ago :P
23:29:25 <Ampera> NY's early voting is not that early
23:29:33 <Ampera> ours starts October 20something
23:29:50 <T3sl4> thicc absentee ballot, heccin early
23:30:01 <Ampera> our mail in ballots are stupid too
23:30:17 <Ampera> they are just normal, and didn't explicitly say you could use COVID as an excuse, as you normally need an actual one
23:30:28 <Ampera> whatever, I'll vote in person
23:30:39 <T3sl4> we don't need an excuse to request them
23:30:53 <T3sl4> does need to be signed by a witness tho, can't do it entirely by yourself
23:30:55 <T3sl4> some states do tho
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23:31:18 <Ampera> The mail in ballot for the primaries was easy enough
23:31:34 <Ampera> that being said, wiping my ass with the ballot and sending it in probably would have been more meaningful
23:31:52 <Ampera> wouldn't have mattered if I registered Democrat or Republican
23:32:08 <T3sl4> probably better not to
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23:33:10 <T3sl4> i can honestly say that my one vote in the primary was the most important and useful in my entire life
23:33:19 <T3sl4> though like literally all the others, it still was for naught
23:33:21 <T3sl4> so, yeah
23:33:41 <Ampera> well the primary was already done by the time I got to vote, so my bernie vote didn't even mean anything
23:33:46 <T3sl4> it's no accident that literally everyone is disillusioned with the process
23:33:47 <Ampera> who did you vote for, if you don't mind
23:34:06 <T3sl4> also bernie
23:34:16 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:34:29 <Ampera> might as well have written in your dinner table
23:34:52 <T3sl4> WI was early enough to matter, but the gaming they pulled more than made up for that
23:35:21 <T3sl4> i think the two most important things we can get right now are ranked/runoff voting, and education
23:35:31 <Ampera> I actually didn't know until after I voted Andrew Yang was from Schenectady (where I live)
23:35:32 <T3sl4> good luck convicing those in power to give up either one
23:35:52 <Ampera> iirc his platform was strong on UBI, so local or not I don't think I would have voted for him
23:36:24 <T3sl4> he's too libertarian / capitalist, but he has some good ideas
23:36:32 <Ampera> huh?
23:36:43 <Ampera> was he not the guy who was saying we needed UBI?
23:36:52 <T3sl4> yeah, other than that i mean :P
23:36:58 <Ampera> UBI is about as not-libertarian/capitalist as you can get until you get to communism
23:37:13 <T3sl4> a UBI would make up for a lot of shit that our general lack of social services causes
23:37:15 <Ampera> it's the single dumbest economic policy serious politicians are actually considering
23:37:22 <Ampera> what
23:37:51 <Ampera> A true UBI is economically worthless, there is not a single benefit to giving no preferential monetary advantage to anyone
23:38:03 <T3sl4> except...all the advantages that it gives?
23:38:05 <Ampera> name one
23:38:10 <T3sl4> survival?
23:38:28 <Ampera> UBI doesn't help people survive, it makes it harder to
23:38:36 <Ampera> it gives money to those who don't need it, and not enough to those who do
23:38:48 <Ampera> and if you keep flooding the economy with cash until everyone has some, the currency becomes worthless
23:39:09 <Ampera> it's not a replacement for actual social policy, it's the five year old question of why doesn't the government give everyone a thousand dollars made real
23:39:14 <T3sl4> right, all the pilot projects you'll see fingerpointed from conservative media are doomed to fail because they don't do enough
23:39:52 <Ampera> but how does UBI, what may be akin to actual economic suicide, make any of that better
23:40:22 <T3sl4> the thing that capitalists can't understand, and neolibs struggle to, is if you give money to people, they become more productive. they can't accept it, because it doesn't reward them specifically, they can't leech those profits for themselves. it makes everyone more productive, but that's a zero sum to them
23:40:38 <Ampera> No it doesn't. Giving money to people makes them less productive.
23:40:59 <T3sl4> Ampera, you would do well to drop the foregone conclusions you've picked up from conservative media
23:41:00 <Ampera> Investing money intelligently into people can.
23:41:14 <Ampera> what conservative media, I don't even consume media
23:41:26 <T3sl4> TIL IRC isn't media
23:41:37 <Ampera> but I'm going to end this conversation, as I don't want you to pull a jspiros on me and storm out because you're too braindead to run a decent debate
23:41:40 <T3sl4> certainly not a social network
23:42:10 <T3sl4> Ampera, we can resume this subject when you come with an open mind
23:42:42 <Ampera> I have an open mind, you don't. I am making assertions and you are denying them because you don't like them, not because you have actual counters.
23:43:20 <Ampera> You're not even debating, you're just making claims and then refusing to defend them.
23:43:55 <T3sl4> Ampera: it's the single dumbest economic policy serious politicians are actually considering <-- making undefended claims like these?
23:44:14 <Ampera> I continued by explaining why and providing arguments
23:44:32 <Ampera> like "if you keep flooding the economy with cash until everyone has some, the currency becomes worthless"
23:44:37 <Ampera> and "it's not a replacement for actual social policy, it's the five year old question of why doesn't the government give everyone a thousand dollars made real"
23:44:57 <K> yeah! fuck stupid people, let them starve.
23:45:24 <T3sl4> yeah, if they were smart they would've figured out a way to steal it without getting arrested
23:45:25 <Ampera> What the actual fuck, I'm not saying monetary aid shouldn't be invested in the less advantaged, I'm saying it shouldn't be dished out blindly.
23:45:57 <T3sl4> Ampera, so how would you distribute it? everyone has to take a test on how poor and disadvantaged and dumb they are?
23:46:02 <T3sl4> that'll be real popular
23:46:34 <Ampera> By investing money in industry, transportation, education, and general opportunities for people to gain careers and incomes on their own right.
23:47:02 <T3sl4> what part of industry? companies are making more than ever but that hasn't helped
23:47:04 <K> when i hear invest, productive and oportunities my eyes generally glaze over.
23:47:40 <K> smile more! be more happy!
23:47:48 <K> goes into the same bin
23:47:49 <Ampera> Manufacturing, retail, education, IT, pick what you want. Giving people jobs = people less poor
23:49:11 <T3sl4> so, first of all, UBI isn't some random ass thing, it's paired with an adjustment to the tax brackets, so if you make more than so-and-so, you're paying it back, and then some
23:49:23 <T3sl4> the "people that don't deserve it" pay it back
23:49:48 <T3sl4> which is also how the budget stays balanced, it's not just money promised forever
23:49:54 <Ampera> Then how is that any different to unemployment, welfare, or similar concepts (independent of their implementations)
23:50:03 <T3sl4> second of all
23:50:53 <T3sl4> if people have enough money to cover basic hierachy-of-needs expenses: rent, food and such, they can actually, y'know, look around for jobs, or even start businesses themselves
23:51:27 <Ampera> That's fine, I'm not against income assistance for those looking for jobs, and I encourage it, but what you're talking about doesn't sound like UBI
23:51:36 <T3sl4> it also reduces the barrier to entry, instead of needing a million bucks and a credit line to start a company, you can just etsy yourself some extra beer money or something. small business but it's not just a waste of time
23:51:36 <Ampera> what you're talking about sounds like low income assistance.
23:52:03 <T3sl4> further, since people can afford cars or other transportation, they can get to jobs
23:52:39 <Ampera> The issue is all of this stuff is a lot of money, and yeah, if we can get people who genuinely need it that money, that can be beneficial, but why give /everyone/ the same amount of money
23:52:45 <Ampera> especially if, by your description, it simply gets taxed back
23:52:45 <T3sl4> UBI == low income assistance, that's... what it is
23:53:08 <Ampera> no it isn't, UBI is a universal basic income everyone has guaranteed from the government
23:53:15 <T3sl4> what do you mean, genuinely? /everyone/ needs it
23:53:52 <Ampera> I don't need a government stipend, I make enough money for myself at the moment
23:53:56 <Ampera> it would be completely wasted on me
23:54:08 <T3sl4> right, you'll probably pay as much in taxes
23:54:12 <T3sl4> what's the problem?
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23:54:29 <Ampera> The problem is now you're giving me a load of money I now then pay back in taxes, which makes no sense
23:54:41 <T3sl4> beaurocracy isn't supposed to make sense
23:54:44 <Ampera> why stuff that much more money through the tax systems when you could just not give it to me in the first place
23:55:15 <Ampera> if you're already measuring my income for the purposes of taxation, then you could easily use that same measurement to calculate my need of a stipend
23:56:09 <T3sl4> i imagine it could be administered via the IRS, where the lowest bracket has effectively a negative rate, then it tapers off and goes positive above some income
23:56:13 <rust_collector> but that is probably a lot of work, if you have to do that for everyone. most of you pay taxes anyway, so that sort of self-regulates, I guess?
23:56:25 <Ampera> That's fine, but also not UBI
23:56:29 <Ampera> that's a negative tax rate
23:56:52 <T3sl4> but if people aren't filing, they aren't in the IRS system and don't get anything, so you'd need to do a bit more than that, exactly
23:57:13 <T3sl4> so, you don't seem to be arguing in good faith
23:57:17 <Ampera> What?
23:57:31 <Ampera> In what way am I arguing in bad faith?
23:57:32 <T3sl4> you ask why give then take back money, but you also say it's not a UBI if they just take less or give some
23:57:43 <T3sl4> you're complaining about it both ways
23:58:18 <Ampera> Those are two different concepts, one is giving everyone money then taking it away from some people, one is just giving some people money
23:58:31 <Ampera> and I'm not complaining about the latter
23:58:48 <Ampera> That might be beneficial, but it's not matching the definition of a UBI, as it's not universal
23:59:03 <T3sl4> what about giving some people money but taking it away from everyone? or giving and taking it from everyone?
23:59:17 <Ampera> wha?
23:59:25 <T3sl4> fill out the, er, tetrachotomy?
23:59:31 <Ampera> you've lost me
23:59:54 <T3sl4> Ampera: Those are two different concepts, one is giving everyone money then taking it away from some people, one is just giving some people money <-- there are four if you put both combinations together
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