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00:15 <hsn> i've to go to telecom regulation authority and pay money .. to recieve my one plus phone
00:40 <K> what is one plus phone?
06:52 <coppice> a phone from the OPPOsition
22:13 <DHess_US> what is a telecom regulation authority?
36:43 <hsn> FCC copier
38:28 <hsn> K, https://www.oneplus.com/8-pro
39:59 <K> ah, a smartphone
40:08 <hsn> i ordered from amazon .. and now .. the fck DHL wants me to go to pay this stupid ppl
40:09 <EEVBlog> And the horse you rode in on, hsn!
40:18 <hsn> gay count ++
40:46 <hsn> eevblog stupid
40:46 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, hsn!
41:03 <hsn> Ampera smart
56:23 <electrohead> o/
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26:19 <jackbrown> hello
26:19 <EEVBlog> Hello there, jackbrown!
26:22 <jackbrown> anyone ?
28:26 <K> yaas?
30:08 <Polesch> EEVBlog is just a bot now?
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32:06 <K> hasn't it allways been?
33:55 <Watcher> jackbrown, i am here
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34:19 <jackbrown> Watcher: I have this big fan rated 12V 3.0A, and i attached it to my lab psu setting 12V and 3.0A, why it just adsorb 0.14Amps ?
34:30 <jackbrown> Watcher: I removed it from an old server
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36:12 <Watcher> i am thinking what the problem couldbe
37:02 <Watcher> and it is straight to the psu with out controller board?
37:40 <K> 12V 3.0A seems quite a lot of motor power
37:54 <K> if that indeed is sustained draw
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40:23 <jackbrown> K: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61DnmxaKtKL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
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41:35 <Watcher> what i now about pc fans that the rating on the sticker the max operating current is
42:03 <Watcher> IS there not a short in the motor or internal controller?
42:59 <jackbrown> Watcher: I should disassemble it but anyway there's a third wire I dunno what is for
43:00 <K> spec sheet says current should be 2A
43:02 <K> https://www.delta-fan.com/Download/Spec/FFB1212EHE-F00.pdf
43:25 <jackbrown> K: ok but it's just get 0.14A from my PSU
43:31 <K> black and red are power
43:37 <K> blue is pwm signal
44:11 <K> but i am too lazy to ponder the datasheet if it absolutely needs the pwm signal
44:12 <jackbrown> K: do I have to ignore that third wire ?
44:39 <Watcher> yes that is normal. and you have put power on the red and black wire
44:39 <K> yeah, i would try it likt that at first
45:05 <jackbrown> K If you had to replace such a fan in your air fume extractor which one would you choose? I was trying to use this one because I just removed from an old server
45:32 <K> pff, i would try to pick one from the heap
45:35 <jackbrown> K: this is the one installed from the factory and I don't like how it sucks https://www.ebay.it/itm/Sunon-Fan-DP200A-2123HSL-120-x-120-x-38mm-220-240V-0-14A-Axial-Mains-Cooling-Fan-/141778019973
45:38 <Watcher> jackbrown: yes blue you can ignore (normalie )if the blue is if you want to control the speed
45:49 <K> if heap does not provide, order some from farnell or somth
47:22 <Watcher> jakcbro
48:35 <jackbrown> K: Watcher what?
48:37 <Watcher> jackbrown: as i look at the form of the blades i think that the server one is quieter but server fans makes most time a lot of noise a lot more then pc fans
48:40 <jackbrown> K: what is "heap" ?
48:58 <K> the 12V one looks better as far as air flow goes - 3m^3/min vs 5m^3/min, but not by much
49:08 <jackbrown> Watcher: I need a fan of the same size to replace the one in my fume extractor
49:10 <K> heap is a pile of random, assorted crap
49:44 <jackbrown> ahh K this fan 12V 3.0A I took from heap then it's rated 190CFM Airflow
50:11 <K> maybe it is broken
50:39 <Watcher> the server fan use 12v and the stock 220 volt so have u considert room to pull down the voltage?
50:57 <K> yeah, was about to say
51:17 <K> 220V into 12V fan will result in some smoke
51:40 <K> wait, are you in US? do you have 220 there?
51:52 <jackbrown> Watcher: I have a dedicated 12V psu for that this is not the problem
52:24 <Watcher> ok than is the A diffenets also not a problem
52:34 <jackbrown> K: this is not the problem I just remove the 220V cable and put some 12V PSU
53:03 <K> well, running the original 220V rated fan from 110V would explain why it is underwhelming
53:37 <Watcher> jackbrown: to the begin of the question. you have connected the red and black to your lab power supply?
54:05 <jackbrown> this is the fan I get from the server not the delta Watcher K https://www.ebay.es/c/24019256748
54:13 <jackbrown> Watcher: yes
54:36 <jackbrown> Watcher: and I set at the beginning 11V an 1A just to make it spin then I incresed to 12V then to 2A then to 3A
55:18 <Watcher> jackbrown: the fan those not need the pwm signal
55:20 <jackbrown> https://www.yoycart.com/Product/44071596476/
55:30 <Watcher> i am now looking in the manual
56:12 <jackbrown> Watcher: can't find, can you share the link ?
56:25 <Watcher> https://www.delta-fan.com/Download/Spec/FFB1212EHE-F00.pdf
56:41 <Watcher> it is link in before
57:27 <jackbrown> Watcher: sorry as I told you the fan it's not the DELTA but this Datech DS12038-12HBTA
57:38 <Watcher> it is not that good of a fan 1000 hours is not good for a profy fan
57:39 <jackbrown> Watcher: was my mistake
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59:14 <jackbrown> Watcher: this one https://it.aliexpress.com/item/4000118205430.html
00:10 <Watcher> you can buy that fan also in the usa
01:30 <jackbrown> Watcher: I found it into a server and I removed it that's all since it's rated 190 CFM airflow and my 220V is rated 90 CFM airflow I'd like to upgrade my fume extractor
01:48 <jackbrown> Watcher: but I think that it should run at least 12V 2.0A to get that airflow
02:26 <Watcher> the CFM is normaly the max rpm so yes you need to run a 2.0A
02:46 <Watcher> jackbrown: https://site.cwc-group.com/specifications/20891-225dh4lp13202.pdf is this a rebrand of you fan?
03:32 <jackbrown> Watcher: this is a 48v faj
03:34 <jackbrown> Watcher: this is a 48v fan
03:52 <Watcher> sorry than i have send nothing
05:31 <jackbrown> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVovy7UWDQ0
05:56 <jackbrown> Watcher: I think I found what I was looking for, I have to disable the thermal control
06:47 <Watcher> can you send that link (i am alos intessed inthat solution)
07:08 <jackbrown> Watcher: it's a youtube link here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVovy7UWDQ0
07:13 <jackbrown> Watcher: can't you see?
09:05 <Watcher> i have run multiply fans on a prohect with out controller will look after the video of there was a pwm fan
10:44 <jackbrown> Since now my fan will run full speed 12V 3.0A can you suggest a nice dimmer to control it ? I don't want to run it at full speed al the time but just when i'm in need
10:49 <Watcher> jackbrown: normaly the pc is controlling the pwm signal by software
11:17 <Watcher> i think that a potmeter will work
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12:36 <jackbrown> Watcher: Yeah I know but I have to search for a nice one with a know to embed into the air fume extractor case
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14:43 <Watcher> i have looked a my project and there is 1 pwm fan but no extrenal thermister. i think that my model is controlled by the pc
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47:38 <DHess_US> Darn, missed all of the fan questions.
48:08 <DHess_US> White wire is tachometer out. Blue wire is PWM in. Leave disconnected if not using.
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48:20 <rust_collector> K, they do have 230 or so over there... I know, it sounds like propaganda, but my sources tell me it is trve
56:51 <jackbrown> rust_collector: how can I make a speed control for my fan?
00:38 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
04:09 <electrohead> jackbrown: a manual speed control? just use a potentiometer
05:02 <jackbrown> electrohead: are you sure ?
05:34 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. brown
05:38 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. head
05:49 <electrohead> hey there
06:06 <electrohead> jackbrown: for manually controlling it, yes, a potentiometer will definitely work
06:22 <electrohead> if you want to control it electronically, then you can use PWM
06:27 <jackbrown> electrohead: yes I want to control it with a knob
12:33 * electrohead resists a sexual joke
15:23 <electrohead> that's a pun for a pun
15:26 <electrohead> :P
23:21 <rust_collector> I am not a fan fan, but I think you can just give it less voltage, to some degree
23:46 <rust_collector> unless you want to make it more complicated, and use the 3rd wire
27:23 <Ysjoelfir> noone uses 3 wires!
28:08 <rust_collector> weeeellll, you can probably use it to blink a led, if you are creative
33:24 <Ysjoelfir> and if you have fast eyes
34:25 <rust_collector> ok, i am not creative, so I would not need that
35:03 <rust_collector> so, how about one of those older dachia pickups? ie a renault 12 with a bed?
35:23 <Ysjoelfir> I always kind of liked the 12, so... why not?
35:48 <rust_collector> they had 4 door versions. maybe I will ask mr romanian guy to have a look around, when he is on vacation some time
36:00 <coppice> rust_collector. I'm sure I could get a mattress in my estate car if I need a bed
36:09 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, I agree, its a sin to like french stuff :P
36:17 <rust_collector> yes
36:40 <rust_collector> "estate car"
36:41 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: there is nothing wrong with croissants
36:57 <Ysjoelfir> sure there is
37:08 <rust_collector> i just think that is a funny name for a station master wagon
37:18 <Ysjoelfir> its texture. and the fact that it makes your keyboard full of crumbly stuff
37:24 <rust_collector> there are plenty of wrong things about croissants
38:09 <rust_collector> My main issue with them, is that they are 1/3rd similar to bread
38:15 <coppice> rust_collector: calling a family car a wagon sounds funny to us, but I guess in a nation of pickup buyers its different
39:15 <rust_collector> maybe.
40:06 <rust_collector> as I have never been in the land of pickup buyers...
40:15 <rust_collector> well. you could be right
40:33 <coppice> I could probably have a very comfy night in our car.
40:56 <Ysjoelfir> I could (and had) definitely very comfy nights in my car
40:56 <coppice> rust_collector: wagon is a US name for an estate car
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41:57 <coppice> wagon and station wagon. adding station sounds even less domestic
43:26 <rust_collector> as it should be
47:22 <rust_collector> I did live in my old dodge for some weeks now and then. the big trick was to park where you would not be in the sun in the morning
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51:53 <Nothing\> omgf thta was the most hellish thanksgiving dinner EVER last night
52:20 <Nothing\> i've banned my brother from ever coming over aside from to use the washroom or something quick like that
53:15 <Nothing\> he fucking brings over EVERY SINGLE retro game AND console with, ps2, retron 3, plus every game he had for them. despite the fact that i had games here to play.
53:26 <Nothing\> but he's so selfish, he only wants to play HIS games.
53:43 <rust_collector> mmh, ok. why do you do thanksgiving?
53:43 <Nothing\> he completely rearranged our living room for reasons that are beyond me
53:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, canadian thanksgiving is this weekend
54:04 <Nothing\> or last weekend
54:11 <Nothing\> yesterday and today
54:37 <Nothing\> but anyways, he completely rearranges my living room, fucks up my lab working space so he can set up all of his consoles
54:49 <Nothing\> disconnects all of my consoles, which i had hooked up just the right way
55:03 <Nothing\> at one point he went to take a shit
55:10 <Nothing\> passed out on the toilet for almost 2 hours
55:39 <Nothing\> he was only supposed be here from like 1pm until half an hour after supper, ~6pm
55:45 <Nothing\> he didn't leave until almost 1am
56:05 <Nothing\> because he assumed that's when we go to sleep and figured it was acceptable to leave 5 minutes before somebody's bedtime
56:42 <Nothing\> i was figuratively biting my tongue so hard, everything i said sprayed blood at whomever it was directed at
56:52 <rust_collector> sounds brotherish.
57:18 <Nothing\> and i have massive anxiety over having people cuz this house is my safe space and having people in it feels... what's that word
57:30 <Nothing\> like it's violating my safety
57:45 <Nothing\> rust_collector, eh he was all fucked up on his pills again
58:06 <Nothing\> i mean i know i'm not one to talk about abusing pills, but i at least don't put my problems on others
58:40 <Nothing\> i at least don't get THAT bad
58:50 <Nothing\> like he didn't even eat his dinner
59:06 <rust_collector> hey, now you have lunch
59:13 <Nothing\> i hid it on him while he was in the bathroom and he didn't even realize he had a dinner or that i hid it
59:25 <Nothing\> rust_collector, dinner here is what we call supper
59:45 <Nothing\> it's incredibly confusing to refer to lunch as dinner to somebody here
59:48 <rust_collector> so? you can still eat it for lunch the next day
00:09 <Nothing\> oh man, so tangent topic
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01:15 <Nothing\> i read 2 days ago they had a sale for the Nintendo Switch where new super mario bros wii u was on sale for $30, opposed to $80 and the whole reason i never bought it was cuz i can't justify paying $80 for a 2d side scroller with nothing special about it
01:34 <rust_collector> I still wonder what thanksgiving does up in canada.
01:43 <Nothing\> and it was a sale specifically for canada
01:47 <rust_collector> there is something special about super mario
01:55 <rust_collector> imo
01:55 <Nothing\> there really is
02:07 <Nothing\> i got this hacked version of new smb for wii called newer smb
02:11 <Nothing\> it's fucked amazing
02:18 <Nothing\> best hack i've ever played hands down
02:25 <Nothing\> it's like a whole new game
02:42 <Nothing\> new levels, music, graphics, enemies, everything you can think of
03:06 <Nothing\> and i got one hack that has all of the smb 3 levels done in new smb
03:16 <rust_collector> has anyone put trump heads in stead of the walking mushrooms in a mario game?
03:24 <Nothing\> but it made me realize how short the early smb levels were
03:34 <Nothing\> haha
03:45 <Nothing\> somebody needs to make a trump poop emoji
04:22 <Nothing\> with the caption "dotard" under it
04:35 <Nothing\> that really shoulda been his nick name
05:16 <Nothing\> definition: an old person, especially one who has become physically weak or whose mental faculties have declined.
05:25 <Nothing\> doesn't that sound so apropos for trump?
05:38 <rust_collector> who knows?
06:11 <rust_collector> I know I would probably rather go have dinner with hitler, because I think he probably was a nicer person
06:40 <Nothing\> i've heard clips of him talking in his normal voice
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06:51 <Nothing\> it's quite a contrast from his pubic voice
07:22 <Nothing\> mark felton did a video on the normal every day speaking voice of hitler
07:38 <Nothing\> he does amazing stuff on world war 2
08:02 <Nothing\> like, interesting stories and stories you never woulda heard otherwise
08:10 <rust_collector> yes, hitler made the best ww2
08:30 <Nothing\> it's funny, people think WWII was such a terrible thing
08:40 <Nothing\> but think about all of the advances it brought us
08:43 <Nothing\> computers
08:52 <Nothing\> antibiotics and medicine in general
08:56 <Nothing\> nuclear power
09:06 <rust_collector> yeah, but we would probably still be fine without those
09:11 <Nothing\> it basically ushered in the modern era
09:20 <Nothing\> oh yeah we woulda been just fine
09:26 <Nothing\> except maybe the antibiotics
09:38 <rust_collector> and with any luck, there would have been far fewer of us
09:51 <Nothing\> but i think it just more made them ubiquitous
10:08 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i know i wouldn't exist if not for WWII
10:15 <coppice> antibiotics had nothing to do with WW2
10:16 <Nothing\> that's how my grandparents met
11:04 <Nothing\> heh i'm also pretty sure i have german war criminals in my family
11:16 <Nothing\> i mean, you don't just escape germany to south america for no reason
11:25 <Nothing\> especially when the rest of your family is going to canada
13:30 <rust_collector> well, I think there were german communities down there, so it could make sense, I guess
13:41 <rust_collector> maybe his brother was really annoying
14:28 <Nothing\> lol you mean my grandfather?
14:48 <Nothing\> actually one of my uncles lived here, we think he was in the SS
15:11 <Nothing\> my grandfather was young, but part of the hitler youth
15:43 <Nothing\> forced from czecheslovakia into germany
15:54 <Nothing\> same deal with my grandmother, only she game from yugoslavia
16:11 <rust_collector> uhm, ok
16:38 <Nothing\> i remember reading about how when my grandmother and all the people with her were making the walk to germany with all of their stuff
16:46 <Nothing\> they were subject to an air raid
16:59 <Nothing\> and one of the women got completely eviscerated
18:06 <Nothing\> i wish i got to talk to them more about their war experiences before they died, but i could tell neither of them liked to talk about it. so i didn't want to press the issue
18:16 <coppice> I saw an interview with a woman of German descent recently. She tried tracing her family tree and was horrified to find they were all senior Nazis. She previously had no idea, and was really struggling to come to terms with that.
18:37 <Nothing\> coppice, i'd really like to take a DNA test
18:50 <Nothing\> cuz on my mother's side, supposedly it's pure german
18:52 <coppice> to ensure you are 100% Aryan?
19:05 <Nothing\> despite like i said, my grandparents both coming from slavic countries
19:10 <rust_collector> he would not have a slav forehead if he was
19:12 <Nothing\> and my grandfather looks very slavic
19:27 <Nothing\> rust_collector, exactly, and he does have the slav forehead
19:44 <Nothing\> my cousin took one of those tests, all i remember is we have some lithuanian in us
19:56 <rust_collector> well, that can be anything
20:02 <Nothing\> exactly lol
20:17 <Nothing\> the place he tested at had results like that, very vague
20:28 <rust_collector> some time ago, lithuania was pretty big
20:33 <Nothing\> but they felt like they gave you information if you didn't know any better
21:08 <Nothing\> and i know on my grandmother's side i'm scottish
21:24 <Nothing\> i hail from the robb clan, which is a sect of the macfarlane clan
21:48 <Nothing\> my grandfather though, i have no clue
22:05 <Nothing\> and little to no clue about my surname cuz it's a fairly rare surname
22:40 <coppice> do you have cravings for fried food, shortbread and heroine?
22:48 <Nothing\> the only people i've known with my surname were family, except for this one guy i found who also live in ontario and somehow has the exact same name as me, save for middle
23:02 <Nothing\> coppice, heroin of course lol
23:08 <Nothing\> i AM on methadone ya know
23:21 <coppice> there the Scottish connection
23:30 <rust_collector> grandma used to look up where we came from, but she did not get very far. so it looks like her side was from sweden, since a loooong time ago. grandpa is as far as we know norwegian since before they invented dinosaurs. On the other side, they are either german or scottish, but they never figured that out
23:32 <Nothing\> actually i gave up yearning for opiates cuz i know even if i did em, they wouldn't do anything on account of my tolerance
24:00 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that's pretty cool. my grandma did the same thing
24:10 <Nothing\> compiled a family tree for my dad's side
24:34 <Nothing\> may she rest in peace
24:54 <rust_collector> she had books full of stuff. and she went to find people over in sweden. it was interesting, even if there was not that much to find
24:57 <DHess_US> Stupid Newegg marketplace. Ordered TL-SG108E and received TL-SG108. FUCK!
25:32 <Nothing\> DHess_US, oh man, i hate that shit
25:43 <Nothing\> did i tell you about when i was sent the wrong chips, DHess_US ?
26:05 <DHess_US> nope
26:21 <DHess_US> And this is one day after I posted complaining about Newegg's decline.
26:30 <Nothing\> i ordered, i forget what chip, some sort of 7400/4000 series, and instead of the chip i ordered they sent me some HCT hex buffer
26:35 <coppice> well you ordered a switch and it was switched. seems fair enough
26:38 <Nothing\> which... yay... a buffer
26:50 <DHess_US> So they just sent some random other chip?
26:55 <Nothing\> but to get my refund, they wanted me to take a picture of the code on the chip
26:59 <Nothing\> yeah DHess_US
27:11 <DHess_US> So take the picture and send it.
27:22 <Nothing\> and good luck taking a picture of the numbers on a chip with a cell phone
27:39 <Nothing\> at least, a several year old cell phone
27:43 <DHess_US> Seems like a weird mistake to make. It isn't like an HCT hex buffer would substitute for most other chips.
28:05 <Nothing\> the model number was close to what i ordered
28:16 <Nothing\> lemme see if i dig up what it was supposed to be
28:26 <Nothing\> but now i have like 5 different types of buffers lol
28:33 <DHess_US> The closer the number, the most likely it will work. *nods*
28:58 <Nothing\> actually i'm glad you prompted me bring this up anyways
29:05 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
29:12 <Ampera> how do fren
29:21 <jackbrown> hello
29:24 <jackbrown> can anyone help me ?
29:24 <rust_collector> I guess most sellers do not know what they sell anyway. if you find someone selling 555 timers, you can be sure they also sell dildos and shoes
29:34 <Nothing\> i wanted to order some 4021 shift registers to make my own NES peripherals, cuz that's the only part the controllers had in them
29:40 * Nothing\ tackl hugs Ampera 
29:50 <jackbrown> Ampera: can you help me?
29:51 <Nothing\> jackbrown, we can certainly try. what's up buddy?
29:58 <Ampera> jackbrown, the forums tend to be better for asking questions, the IRC is more for discussion
30:10 <Ampera> not that people here can't help
30:13 <Nothing\> yeah, irc isn't very likely
30:23 <Nothing\> and we have more general discussion here than about electronics
30:26 <Ampera> Nothing\ I'm presently waiting for fried chicken
30:27 <Nothing\> but we can try to help
30:29 <Ampera> popeyes
30:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, awesome
30:38 <Nothing\> you know, i've never had popeyes
30:47 <Ampera> They're better than KFC
30:48 <Nothing\> they're not terribly common here
31:06 <Nothing\> but there's one in the plaza my dentist is in. i should get some next time i'm there
31:19 <Ampera> I ordered an 8pc dark meat, and they don't have enough
31:19 <jackbrown> Ok I have a 12v 3A fan and I'd like to install a control speed on it ( I thought initially simply to install a potentiometer and nothing more) then checking on youtube I found that several people use this scheme to achieve what I want that is a bit more complicated. Can you explain me WHY they don't just add a potentiometer ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FUyrxiJCI
31:28 <Ampera> so I'm waiting and can get it fresh
31:48 <Nothing\> lol dentist office, grocery store, dollar store, liquor store AND a beer store in the plaza. then across the street is the casino
31:56 <Nothing\> which hasn't been open in a coon's age
32:01 <Nothing\> racoon that is
32:14 <Ampera> that's an odd and nearly racist expression
32:31 <Nothing\> jackbrown, yeah tbh a pot's what i woulda done
32:45 <DHess_US> jackbrown, poteniometers generally lack the power capability to handle 3 amps.
32:47 <jackbrown> Nothing\: why they are using that mosfet + resistor etc. ?
32:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's why i specified racoon
33:01 <jackbrown> DHess_US: what do you suggest?
33:08 <Nothing\> jackbrown, let's have a look
33:12 <DHess_US> You want something simple, right?
33:17 <Ampera> Nothing\ I did walk to the supermarket earlier
33:18 <jackbrown> Nothing\: thanks
33:38 <Ampera> and ended up buying 8 ounces of smoked salmon and 6 ounces of gravlax
34:21 <Ampera> What baffles me about Popeyes is how hard it is to specify dark meat only
34:41 <Ampera> You can't order just dark meat online/for delivery, you have to go there
34:43 <DHess_US> jackbrown, this is what I recommend. It will allow a potentiometer to control your 12 volt DC brussless fan, https://www.analog.com/en/products/lt1085.html#product-overview
34:54 <DHess_US> But you need to heatsink the regulator.
34:57 <Ampera> and half the time they got no clue what the hell you're on about
35:15 <Nothing\> jackbrown, well after watching the video i have no clue
35:39 <DHess_US> If you want a potentiometer, then get like a 20 ohm rheostat.
35:40 <Nothing\> but if you want i can link you to a circuit sim that runs in your browser, you can make both circuits and see what differences there are
35:58 <jackbrown> Nothing\: really ?
36:04 <Nothing\> jackbrown, yup
36:13 <jackbrown> DHess_US: 20 ohm is fine for my fan ? 12V 3A ?
36:22 <Nothing\> it's a great tool for visualizing what's going on in a circuit
36:35 <DHess_US> https://www.amazon.com/Wirewound-Potentiometer-Rheostat-Variable-Resistor/dp/B012S7YVDY?ref_=Oct_s9_apbd_obs_hd_bw_bKlLYh&pf_rd_r=EWXY0HPZMPPDR07F5TGS&pf_rd_p=79e7c66a-7a63-5bb0-8385-a9330e78d2a3&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=306811011&th=1
36:40 <Nothing\> here jackbrown
36:42 <Nothing\> https://lushprojects.com/circuitjs/circuitjs.html
36:52 <DHess_US> jackbrown, I'm estimating but 20 ohms seems about right.
37:03 <Nothing\> btw, under the examples menu they have so many cool circuits to check out
37:15 <jackbrown> Nothing\: thanks it's a nice web tool
37:15 <Nothing\> jackbrown, this program was one of the best tools i used to learn
37:30 <Nothing\> jackbrown, np, i honestly can't speak highly enough of it
37:33 <jackbrown> Nothing\: I can Image, it great to be able to simulate
37:43 <rust_collector> jackbrown, what do you use to power this fan? you do not have to use a 12v supply, i would think?
37:49 <jackbrown> DHess_US: did you undestand why in that video they don't simply use a potentiometer ?
37:53 <Nothing\> jackbrown, it does digital circuits as well
38:11 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I have a 12V PSU that I recovered from another unit
38:20 <Nothing\> jackbrown, and it has ICs and other components
38:26 <Nothing\> not just discrete components
38:27 <jackbrown> Nothing\: great
38:41 <rust_collector> and in that video, they use the transistor because the potentiometer can not handle the current, is my take on it
39:01 <Nothing\> tbh i never understood that configuration of a pot
39:12 <Nothing\> where you tie pin 1 and 2 together
39:21 <Nothing\> then put that in series with your circuit
39:39 <Nothing\> one of those things i've always meant to learn but never got around to
39:40 <jackbrown> rust_collector: ok thanks for trying to explain, but then how the thermistor can handle it ?
40:07 <rust_collector> you use the potentiometer to turn the transistor more or less "on"
40:13 <rust_collector> what thermistor?
40:49 <rust_collector> but yes, you probably want a heat sink on it, and maybe put it in the airflow, not on the side of the fan?
42:56 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I'm a bit lost, I just think that I should replace the thermistor with a potentiometer, they are both resistance and they can both vary (one with heat the other with a knob)
44:49 <DHess_US> <jackbrown> DHess_US: did you undestand why in that video they don't simply use a potentiometer ?
45:12 <DHess_US> A poteniometer by itself does not have the power capability. They are generally 1/4 to 1/2 watt
45:26 <DHess_US> A "power" poteniometer is called a rheostat, which is what I linked to you.
45:36 <jackbrown> DHess_US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbqEDZk1QE8
46:11 <DHess_US> Yes, I watched it. I know what they are doing.
46:31 <DHess_US> That is another way which uses a bipolar transistor to buffer the poteniometer.
46:43 <DHess_US> And I linked you a third way using an LT1085 regulator.
47:46 <jackbrown> DHess_US: sorry I missed the last link
48:06 <DHess_US> rheostat, https://www.amazon.com/Wirewound-Potentiometer-Rheostat-Variable-Resistor/dp/B012S7YVDY?ref_=Oct_s9_apbd_obs_hd_bw_bKlLYh&pf_rd_r=EWXY0HPZMPPDR07F5TGS&pf_rd_p=79e7c66a-7a63-5bb0-8385-a9330e78d2a3&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=306811011&th=1
48:15 <DHess_US> regulator, https://www.analog.com/en/products/lt1085.html#product-overview
49:07 <jackbrown> DHess_US: if I put just a potentiometer what will happen ?
49:24 <DHess_US> Poteniometer will burn up
49:47 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i didn't realize that but that makes sense
50:04 <Nothing\> so to compensate, you put a power component in || with it?
50:16 <DHess_US> Yes, or use a rheostat like I linked.
50:21 <Nothing\> right
50:25 <DHess_US> That rheostat is 25 watts.
50:31 <Nothing\> well that's cool. good to know
50:40 <Nothing\> too bad i have amnesia atm
50:47 <jackbrown> DHess_US: what do you think about this ? https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005001419692225.html?
50:53 <Nothing\> and won't remember this in 10 mins
51:44 <rust_collector> jackbrown, i just made that circuit with the transistor and pot. and... if you have those, they do work just fine, unless you want to do something else
52:04 <DHess_US> jackbrown, should work. You might be able to find a PC fan speed controller which would do it.
52:08 <Nothing\> ffs ali express still won't let me sign in
52:15 <Nothing\> it keeps giving me the robot test and failing me
52:22 <Nothing\> or giving some error
52:24 <jackbrown> rust_collector: do you have any pics ?
52:32 <Nothing\> for like the last 3 days
52:42 <rust_collector> i have to go get my phone...
52:42 <Nothing\> maybe i could hit TI up for some free samples
53:02 <Nothing\> you know thta? if you get an account with TI, they'll send free samples of chips on request-
54:33 <jackbrown> guys I have to leave
54:37 <jackbrown> thanks for al
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55:20 <rust_collector> some times, I wonder if he is one of Amperas bots
58:11 <DHess_US> rust_collector, are you familiar with the Cookie Monster?
58:42 <DHess_US> rust_collector, https://www.ida.liu.se/~tompe44/lsff-book/Vernor%20Vinge%20-%20The%20Cookie%20Monster.htm
58:58 <rust_collector> COOKIE!!!!
59:33 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)
00:45 <DHess_US> Don't read the wikipedia entry unless you want the plot spoiled.
02:37 <Nothing\> lol
03:16 <Nothing\> man i came across one of my cousin's notebooks from college and she had same damn nice notebooks
03:26 <Nothing\> they look just like a hardcover book
03:44 <Nothing\> with with lined paper inside
04:24 <Nothing\> though i like the ringed ones cuz i can fold them in half and give myself more work space
07:58 <DHess_US> Wait, I'm confused. So "notebooks" isn't a euphemism for boobs? You said, "she had same damn nice notebooks".
08:10 <Nothing\> lol
08:45 <Nothing\> yeah her boobs look like hard cover books
09:15 <Nothing\> for a guy who isn't int' biology that much, i sure have a lot of bio textbooks
09:34 <Nothing\> not just from her, but i bought some from the salvation army years ago
09:59 <DHess_US> Matt Ridley has written a bunch of nice popular science style biology books.
10:06 <rust_collector> I am not a huge fan of boobs you can fild in half, to use the other side
10:26 <DHess_US> https://www.amazon.com/Matt-Ridley/e/B000AQ6M5Q
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11:29 <DHess_US> Carl Sagan's book is worth reading. https://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark-ebook/dp/B004W0I00Q/
13:12 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that's so weird you mentioned him
13:34 <Nothing\> cuz with my bio textbooks at salvation army, i also picked up a copy of cosmos for like $2
14:02 <DHess_US> Cosmos and Contact are worth reading but Demon Haunted World is what he was really about.
14:15 <Nothing\> i didn't realize he wrote contact
14:43 <DHess_US> Contact illustrates Demon Haunted World.
15:52 <Nothing\> right on
16:23 <DHess_US> So you could say Contact is the fiction book based on Demon Haunted World.
16:37 <Nothing\> contact is fiction?
16:44 <Nothing\> i thought it was based on a true story
16:49 <Nothing\> lol jk
17:02 <DHess_US> The movie missed most of the point of the book.
27:41 <Nothing\> most of them do
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38:24 <Ysjoelfir> I just bought stocks of nordic semiconductor. lets see if that was a good idea
39:57 <rust_collector> should I make a order of a huge amount of nrf things, in some large companies name?
40:46 <rust_collector> how much are they anyway?
42:18 <rust_collector> ok, so bahrain train toilet company ltd just ordered 666 pallets of things from them. let us see
43:22 <Ysjoelfir> xD
43:36 <Ysjoelfir> 9.20€ each^^
43:45 <rust_collector> mmkay
43:49 <Ysjoelfir> I got 26. can't afford more right now
44:20 <rust_collector> 26, just to find a nice round number
45:42 <Ysjoelfir> no, more like... because there were 26 on sale on one of those resale stock market things. :D
56:26 <rust_collector> I sent the wife to pick up parts today, I should see what she came back with
58:33 <Ysjoelfir> What parts?
03:36 <Ysjoelfir> mrs spouse wants to go to bed. so gn8 all :)
07:11 <rust_collector> headlights and handbrake cable
07:16 <rust_collector> good nattings
07:58 <rust_collector> wait until she sleeps, and drip ketchup in her nostrils
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41:39 <arch> what are my odds of success if i make a 2-layer PCB, 8-pair LVDS female-female socket extension for my TV that the colors and everything turn out good?
41:49 <arch> bottom layer ground
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54:13 <T3sl4> whats the pinout
54:28 <T3sl4> if it has adjacent pairs, that should be fine
54:59 <T3sl4> if you have to like route pairs under the connector, probably still fine but, y'know?
55:12 <T3sl4> or halves of pairs
55:46 <arch> this is the pinout. it has adjacent pairs for all pairs; the last 12 pins are just for maintenance signals, and those are not LVDS or high freq signals: https://i.imgur.com/NZktCiC.jpg
56:42 <arch> im gonna use kicad's differential route feature to match lengths, but that's about as advanced as i'm going
57:41 <arch> today i probed that TCON board with an arduino, i2cscanner sketch, found 2 addresses. one of them is the Maxim gamma IC you see in the top left corner surrounded by 12 capacitors
57:52 <arch> and the other is an i2c eeprom
58:40 <arch> goddamn maxim wanna be anal and not provide me datasheets, so cowabunga it is. gonna RE that bullshit hopefully
59:13 <arch> IC6289
59:29 <arch> that fuckwit needs an enable signal, or the LCD panel doesnt output anything
59:52 <arch> even though i can see the LCD brightness change when i press the channel buttons
03:14 <T3sl4> sc4801?
04:26 <T3sl4> wtf is that IC6288 footprint, it has a thermal pad THATS COVERED IN SOLDERMASK
04:57 <T3sl4> i wonder what underneath the other things looks like :/
11:41 <arch> SC4081 is the LVDS data input yes. i will drive that with a v59 universal LCD driver
11:53 <arch> sorry SC4801
13:43 <arch> so im gonna do a 2.54mm pin header to FI-RE-41S connector: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/FI-RE41S-HF-R1500/670-1702-1-ND/1283336?itemSeq=340643226
14:16 <arch> and the 2.54mm pinheader will connect via floppy drive cable (if i have one), to the v59 board
14:32 <arch> otherwise i'll just crimp a buncha dupont wires and twist em
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47:47 <arch> T3sl4, have you played the game Ace Attorney?
48:01 <T3sl4> OBJECTION
48:04 <arch> :D
48:08 <T3sl4> no, i haven't
48:26 <arch> ooh. well, it's pretty fun. it's mainly reading though
48:29 <T3sl4> am tangentially aware of it, that's about it :P
49:52 <arch> waiting 10+ years for kerbal space program 2 be like: https://i.imgflip.com/eao9e.jpg
50:35 <arch> same for half life 3....or portal 3.....or team fortress 3....goddamn valve, can't count to 3
51:54 <arch> gonna go play some left4dead2. they can't count that game either...
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54:26 <T3sl4> and here i am still playing doom like https://i.imgur.com/K16k6rI.jpg
55:56 * Halcyon mews at T3sl4 
58:14 <steve30> hi
59:35 * T3sl4 doots Halcyon
00:24 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
00:48 <Halcyon> T3sl4, steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhlVbjKP1Y
01:33 <T3sl4> you cock
01:37 <Halcyon> :P
01:43 <Halcyon> It's a hen I'm pretty sure
01:49 <T3sl4> i know
17:32 <damian> no, i know!
18:30 * Halcyon licks damian
18:34 <damian> thanks
18:50 <steve30> I'm on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seu0pkcFfFw
18:51 <steve30> :)
19:01 <damian> is youtube really the place for your content
19:34 <Halcyon> This guy seems like a real pratt
20:45 * Retrieving #EEVblog modes...
20:59 <steve30> My opinion is later on in the video
27:31 <steve30> Halcyon, funnily enough he actually admitted to being a pratt :D
27:58 <Halcyon> There you go :P
28:02 <steve30> Here's my video of him from right after when he filmed me:
28:02 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QthaQS--LI
28:12 <Halcyon> Ill watch it later, in an online training course
38:21 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
41:07 <Halcyon> :D
45:16 <T3sl4> <3 Ampera's back
51:04 <steve30> hmm, looks like we are in a 'Tier 2' area from tomorrow, according to the latest coronavirus law
58:59 <Halcyon> Which is what?
03:41 <steve30> some coronavirus thing :/
03:52 <Halcyon> Hah shouldn't you know?
04:23 * Ampera has smoked salmon
04:44 * Halcyon eyes off Ampera's salmon
04:58 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a different package of gravlax
05:21 <Halcyon> Cold
26:42 <steve30> https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,breaking-south-yorkshire-placed-in-tier-2-lockdown-level_36890.htm
39:08 <Halcyon> steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnAGH6oYQv8&list=PLcEbQ44w9mshok2VJ0BdHw_9tMXOnK9zG
39:16 <Halcyon> Cute boys and stupid cats
41:37 <steve30> kitties \o/
42:02 <steve30> I think Halcyon likes cuddly kitties really :p
46:06 <Halcyon> That is slanderous lie
46:10 <Halcyon> *a
47:13 * steve30 climbs onto Halcyon and purrs
47:52 * Halcyon sneezes
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53:11 <Halcyon> OK steve30, now I can watch your video
53:11 <Halcyon> The guy with the camera was just saying words, I don't think he was really making any point?
53:11 <Halcyon> I can't believe they allow kids go to nonsense protests like that. Shouldn't he be in school?
53:11 <steve30> It was on a Saturday. Schools are shut at weekends.
53:11 <Halcyon> Ah
53:11 <Halcyon> And then you have this loonie having a go at police for not maintaining social distancing?
53:11 <Halcyon> This video makes me so disappointed with society
53:11 <steve30> The police have been very hypocritical here lately
53:11 <Halcyon> In what way?
53:11 <Halcyon> (And I ask out of genuine interest)
53:11 <Halcyon> I dare say, like here, police and other emergency services are exempt from legislation surrounding face masks, social distancing etc...
53:11 <steve30> They have made a mockery of themselves by trying to enforce non-existant laws. They will happily complain about people not doing social distancing etc, then not practise that themselves. They are actively supporting some types of protest, and are strongly against others, despite both being peaceful.
53:11 <steve30> etc
53:11 <Halcyon> Well like I said, why should they comply with rules which don't apply to them?
53:11 <Halcyon> I think it's fair to do it "where practicable" but sometimes, it's simply unavoidable as a first responder
53:11 <steve30> There is no reason for them to comply with rules that don't apply to them. But they try to enforce rules on other people for whom they don't apply.
53:11 <Halcyon> Can you give an example of where this has happened?
53:11 <Halcyon> It just seems that the majority of people at this protest are arguing that COVID-19 is a "scam", above anything else. A reasonable person would look at that and see how utterly ludicrous that is.
53:11 <Halcyon> They then try to draw the nexus between "scam" and "officials not social distancing"
53:11 <steve30> this website gives lots of good examples
53:11 <steve30> https://policing-the-corona-state.blog/2020/04/10/10-april-update/
53:11 <steve30> At these protests I've met everyone from people who think the virus is a complete fraud, to people who are just pissed off because they lost their job because of it. Opinions vary a lot, but the placards/speeches seem to be more along the 'scam' lines
53:11 <Halcyon> Well, admittedly, "checking non-essential aisles" in the supermarket is hardly good use of police resources
53:11 <Halcyon> I can completely understand people being pissed off. It's sad people have lost jobs. But that is the nature of a pandemic. I'm not sure what people expect governments to do?
53:11 <Halcyon> If you were in charge, what would you do to "fix" everything?
53:11 <steve30> Well, I wouldn't have shut down the health service for a start.
53:11 <Halcyon> The other thing is, mistakes were made early on, even here. Those incidents seem to point to things which occurred back in March/April when rules and legislation was rushed through and probably unclear.
53:11 <Halcyon> I'd like to think we (as a modern society) have ironed out a lot of the issues. It's still not perfect, but it's having a significant impact.
53:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Masks take away a giant slice of humanity when interacting with people. Can't see a smile, and you fell your smile back is almost wasted. It sucks.
53:12 <steve30> I just had a play with my camcorder's "600x Digital Zoom"
53:12 <steve30> :D
53:12 <steve30> The pixels are at least reasonably still when using a tripod
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13:42 <hsn> hey guys
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16:39 <K> hello
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22:38 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
22:38 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
22:39 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn
22:54 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, I called the sovereign transport people
22:58 <hsn> how are u mr.all
23:03 <hsn> yes? and?
23:28 <Ysjoelfir> so, "shipment delivered BOZBEK" doesn't mean that it was delivered to someone called BOZBEK
24:03 <hsn> then ?
24:24 <Ysjoelfir> that forwarding company is actually forwarding the packet to another company. so they gave it to DPD, which is the piss poorest company on the world
24:28 <hsn> bozbek is cookie checker
24:31 <Ysjoelfir> they just don't care at all
25:03 <Ysjoelfir> so I called them. the DPD guys.
25:10 <Ysjoelfir> they brought it back to Sovereign people
25:15 <hsn> lol
25:19 <Ysjoelfir> so I called them again, asking where the fuck that package is now
25:29 <hsn> and?
25:37 <Ysjoelfir> the guy called the people in the storage. its there
25:53 <K> yay, bozbek didn't eat all your palm seeds
25:58 <Ysjoelfir> they give it tomorrow again to DPD to deliver it here and will call me with a time frame when the guy is supposed to be here
26:10 <hsn> he is not gonna do that is he ?
26:36 <K> here they will give you the phone number of actual driver, so you can be sure
26:59 <hsn> our public ip is listed .. https://snipboard.io/fynRMq.jpg .. u think i should contact it ppl ?
27:02 <K> i am very surprised about Ysjoelfirs misfortunes with deliveries thb
27:16 <hsn> to honest be ?
27:20 <Ysjoelfir> so I will not only be at home, as I am anyways, but I will be waiting at the window with a loudspeaker, yelling at the guy if he again says I'm not home
27:41 <K> to honest be!
27:48 <Ysjoelfir> they don't give numbers of drivers sadly, K :( probably because they know they are shit
27:55 <K> ah.
28:08 <hsn> tell them to call u before delivery .. ?
28:25 <Ysjoelfir> DHL is ok, Hermes is (again, was shitty for quite some time) ok right now, amazon guys are mixed, GLS and DPD is shit
28:39 <Ysjoelfir> they just ignore that hsn
29:27 <K> gls and dpd is quite fine here
29:49 <K> but you have to track the parcel a bit
29:51 <hsn> few days ago .. i bought somthing .. wait let me share ..
31:02 <hsn> https://www.tradesparky.com/cable-and-management/cable-terminations-and-connectors/cable-gland-accessories/hawke-tpe-shroudo-shroud-o-20mm
31:26 <hsn> they didnt have international ship .. so i put my box in london
31:36 <hsn> which is aramex account
31:42 <hsn> and they used dpd
32:30 <hsn> it was good .. except the issue from this ^^ ppl who didnt put the correct complete address just so aramex didnt know who is this for .. and i'd to contact them and link it to me
40:54 <Ysjoelfir> thats actually a cool method :D
41:11 <hsn> hey K and Ysjoelfir .. talking about the "correct procedure" .. if im not earthed .. can i extract components from esd bag .. after touching the bag for some time ? or how does this work ?
42:08 <hsn> or forexample .. put my foot in wooden/carpet floor .. not .. moving my foot .. for some time .. extract component ?
42:37 <hsn> or it must be "esd carpet thingy" im putting my feet on .. which is connected to earth
42:42 <Ysjoelfir> you would equalize the charge of you and the component, bus as soon as you touch anything with the component it would discharge and potentially die. I like to put my foot against the metal chassis of my PC when I do that.
44:18 <K> take the shoe off, the sock and then touch it
44:27 <Ysjoelfir> yes
44:52 <hsn> so ... lets say .. u touch component .. now component is earthed .. put it on table .. maybe the table is actually not earthed .. and it zaps compoennts ?
45:20 <Ysjoelfir> that could be the case. at least if you are earthed when touching it.
46:05 <hsn> i mean wouldnt it be better to do following: (touch earth .. pick component ... touch table with second hand for few seconds .. put component on table) ?
46:17 <Ysjoelfir> even though I personally never had problems with that, but I have an earthed radiator right in front of me, so when handling stuff here I always have my feet on that :D
46:20 <Ysjoelfir> yes
46:26 <hsn> or i should do : (touch earth .. pick component ... put in table directly) ?
46:54 <Ysjoelfir> you could just use an earthed ESD mat :)
46:57 <K> yeah
47:12 <K> on the topic of desk mats - what are you using?
47:16 <hsn> yes .. i will buy these .. i was just asking for like .. info ...
47:24 <hsn> im not using actually
47:29 <K> ah
47:38 <Ysjoelfir> let me see what I have, K
47:53 <K> atm i have a ~A2 sized piece of cardboard
48:39 <K> on one hand it is fine, because i can solder small things directly on it, wont melt and can just throw it out when it gets dirty
48:57 <K> but maybe there is something better
49:35 <hsn> cardboard?
49:40 <Ysjoelfir> I have a roughly 1.6m by 70cm piece of ESD mat which is also surprisingly heat resistant. I use it for soldering on it all the time.
49:49 <hsn> i guess eevblog dave made a video of the blue spongy one
49:50 <hsn> ?
50:11 <hsn> so u connected ur esd to earth directly ?
50:29 <K> hsn, thick, dense paper
50:43 <K> i do not care about esd much
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/esd-tisch-arbeitsmatte-antistatikmatte-120-x-60-cm-abriebfest-esd-matte-1200-p110009.html?PROVID=2788&gclid=Cj0KCQjwoJX8BRCZARIsAEWBFMKWIgL3djsR7sbI5BqN50J16DCBJYMC1mzWZNmhj_7j6u1ku7_9j9YaAso-EALw_wcB&&r=1 like that
51:03 <Ysjoelfir> but mine is unbranded
51:30 <K> ah, it is somewhat heat resistant
52:57 <hsn> https://esdproduct.com/esd-foam-mats.php
53:22 <Ysjoelfir> its actually surprisingly heat resistand. it doesn't burn through if you solder directly on it and doesn't melt. it just discolors
53:59 <hsn> so .. let me ask .. from what i understand ..
54:19 <hsn> the idea the component doesnt touch somthing that is on different level of charge than it self ..
54:54 <hsn> so does this mean .. at production / store .. before they put them on esd bags .. they put the component on earth potential ?
55:12 <hsn> because the bag will isolate right ? what if its allready charged away from earth ?
56:15 <hsn> https://www.amazon.com/Kaisi-S-180-Soldering-Insulation-Electronics/dp/B07MQ823BQ/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=esd+mats&qid=1602575456&sr=8-10 this looks good
56:15 <hsn> ?
56:58 <Ysjoelfir> its electrostatic dissipating. so the bags don't tend to charge up. they probably have strict ESD protection around there, with ESD flooring, esd boots and additional ESD wrist straps?
57:18 <Ysjoelfir> I kind of like the forms they have added to that mat
57:33 <Ysjoelfir> but its only a rubber mat, not an ESD mat
58:06 <hsn> so u say .. they ship all esd sensitive components .. at earth potentioal
58:46 <hsn> but .. lol they got esd wraist with it
06:34 <K> wireless!
12:24 <hsn> wireless what
12:39 <hsn> ppl here call contact less payment (wifi) :D
13:27 <Ysjoelfir> lol
17:43 <K> wireless esd strap, of course
19:44 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_discharger
27:11 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, is that where u get SWMBO ? https://youtu.be/NNXo4AbaKFc?t=582
27:12 <hsn> :D
27:36 <Ysjoelfir> that would be cool :D
27:46 <Ysjoelfir> but no, she won't help me with that :(
14:14 <NeroTHz> monin
15:04 <K> haloo
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30:37 <K> u wot again
30:59 * T3sl4 buhs K with the buh of 10,000 buh
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00:54 <Ysjoelfir> hah! hsn!
01:19 <Ysjoelfir> Just met the DPD guy and told him several times that I dare him to not come tomorrow
02:14 <K> he did not have the package?
07:09 <Ysjoelfir> nope
07:29 <K> weak
07:46 <K> can you just fucking drive there and pick it up yourself?
07:55 <Ysjoelfir> that would be to easy
08:00 <Ysjoelfir> also, its 80km away
08:03 <K> ah.
08:57 <K> do you have those postal-box things where courier comes, fills the it up, and then you come with your code and open it?
09:18 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but only for dhl and amazon
09:26 <K> i think some of our delivery services have that as a fallback as of recent
15:36 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/2XjvM2qRcMZbbKYk7
15:54 <hsn> u guys dnt like me sending instagram so i do take screenshots
18:10 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i think i dont see all msgs u guys send ...
18:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol @ spiderman :D
19:02 <hsn> look u lucky : https://snipboard.io/yVELbk.jpg
19:22 <Ysjoelfir> nope, thats exactly what I wrote :)
19:35 <hsn> but i mean lucky .. in between 2 disconnects
19:36 <hsn> :D
19:41 <Ysjoelfir> lol
19:46 <Ysjoelfir> now I see^^
20:28 <hsn> cool how did u catch him :P
20:58 <Ysjoelfir> pure coincidence. I went to grab some breadrolls and he came around the corner with his truck, so I jumped in front of it and forced him to stop
27:26 <K> haha
27:46 <K> but will it be the same driver tomorrow?
27:58 <Ysjoelfir> probably yes, but one never knows
29:42 <Ysjoelfir> so, hsn, did the 666 palets of nordic semiconductor stuff already arrive at Bahrainian Train Toilet Co. Ltd.?
30:24 <hsn> wait what 666 palets of nordic ?
31:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes. I bought stocks from nordic semi yesterday and rust_collector wanted to help me out make a profit so he ordered 666 palets of NRF chips in the name of Bahrainian Train toilet Co. Ltd.
31:38 <Ysjoelfir> and it worked! The stocks already jumped up!
32:17 <hsn> stocks = shares ?
32:43 <hsn> u do buy and trade in stocks ? cool teach me i want to invest :P
33:55 <hsn> fck brahraininan toilet company lets start (rusted kai & rusted hsn and their sons Co.)
34:12 <Ysjoelfir> Yes, I do, but only little bits and tbh I have no idea about it at all, I just go by gutt feel xD
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
35:09 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelcypress
35:39 <Ysjoelfir> cypress is freakin expensive
35:41 <T3sl4> or, are you more of a Ysjoeniper person instead?
36:01 <Ysjoelfir> niper? which one would that be?
36:10 <T3sl4> juniper :P
36:25 <Ysjoelfir> oh :D
36:32 <Ysjoelfir> both to expensive for me right now :X
36:37 * T3sl4 splashes gin at Ysjoelfir
36:53 <Ysjoelfir> I could afford exactly.... five of each and then I would be out of cash^^
37:09 <T3sl4> are you sure? people just grow juniper for decoration
37:20 <T3sl4> at least around here it's pretty common
37:46 <Ysjoelfir> lol. I thought you were joining in on the stock marked discussion :P the flowers aren't that expensive
38:03 <T3sl4> but they make cones..?
38:08 <K> juniper grows slow as fuck iirc
38:23 <T3sl4> juniper knows tantric, that is correct
42:04 <T3sl4> anyway, so i was idly wondering about primordial life, and pondered phosphorus in other states than phosphate
42:21 <T3sl4> cuz phosphate is hella common in biology, e.g. DNA, ADP/ATP, etc
42:29 <Ysjoelfir> TRUE
42:32 <Ysjoelfir> erm
42:33 <Ysjoelfir> true
42:45 <T3sl4> other bonds aren't so well known, but apparently are actually quite common, just harder to see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6429109/
43:00 <T3sl4> it's also the whole ass article, lots of reading
43:13 <T3sl4> so many references om nom nom
43:27 * Ysjoelfir is typing the numbers of 197 reels of passives into excel to import that into his shop later
43:45 * Ysjoelfir decides to add the interesting looking article to his "watch later" tab in the browser
44:45 * T3sl4 drops a few more metallized mylar envelopes into Ysjoelfir's shop
45:52 <T3sl4> also, what is that, overstock you pulled from the bin?
46:00 <T3sl4> gonna ebay it? ;)
48:48 <Ysjoelfir> exactly :)
48:51 <Ysjoelfir> but not overstock
48:54 <K> hes gonna build a computer!
49:25 <Ysjoelfir> actually old stuff the company threw away because of... no idea. because now they suddenly noticed they have old shit they don't need anymore
49:37 <Ysjoelfir> like full 10 inch reels of TL431
49:42 <Ysjoelfir> or AD8033
50:05 <Ysjoelfir> no wait, it wasn't 8033
50:34 <Ysjoelfir> AD8032ADRZ-REEL
50:54 <T3sl4> nice amp
50:55 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Analog-Devices/AD8032ARZ-REEL7?qs=%2FtpEQrCGXCy760tpKv7mXQ%3D%3D
51:13 <T3sl4> K: hmm, a TL431 computer wouldn't run terrifically fast, but it would be possible, i think
51:23 <Ysjoelfir> jep. pretty good having 2500 of them :D
52:05 <T3sl4> not that you're going to sell them at $5/pop, but that's not bad
52:17 <T3sl4> should still get you a few more beers in the fridge ;)
53:55 <Ysjoelfir> indeed, I'll sell them for 15 each!
54:04 <Ysjoelfir> I'm gonna get rich, muhaha!
54:32 <Ysjoelfir> I thought about... 30 for a strip of 10 or somewhere in that ballpark
55:30 <coppice> $3 each? wow, you're going for the DigiKey business model :)
56:08 <T3sl4> coppice: but free shipping!
01:33 <Ysjoelfir> is that to much?
07:31 <coppice> I find it interesting that these things are made so cheaply the sales guys will hand out a few reels for free if you say you might change from someone else's TL431 to their TL431
07:45 <steve30> T3sl4, I've just done some video editing on my warm cosy Trinitron :)
08:42 <T3sl4> why do i suspect you haven't been socially distancing from your trinitron
18:28 <Ysjoelfir> steve has a trinitron?
18:48 <hsn> so Ysjoelfir when the 666 plates become expensive give me one and take 665 pl
18:48 <hsn> z
19:00 <hsn> i want to get 1/665 as rich as u r :P
19:05 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... xD
25:26 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, freeshipping wat ? gimme 3$ i'll pay ship to me
27:03 <hsn> in digikey its : 1,000	$2.92900
27:09 <hsn> AD8032ARZ
27:14 <hsn> 10	$4.80800
32:37 <Ysjoelfir> thats why I was irritated about coppice indicating that 3€ would be expensive
39:22 <T3sl4> coppice is just teasing you because he's spoiled by commodity pricing before decades of inflation ;)
39:39 <Ysjoelfir> lol
55:20 <electrohead> o/
55:39 <Ysjoelfir> Hi mr. no head o/
57:49 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, 2 in fact
00:46 <electrohead> hello
00:49 <electrohead> g'morning
02:59 <Ysjoelfir> nice steve30 :)
11:33 <steve30> That's the 21"
11:34 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/photos/loftdesk.JPG
11:44 <steve30> The 17" one is sat on the floor somewhere
12:39 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted to have two of those nice 21 inch trinitrons. the big ones that had VGA, DVI-A and BNC inputs. a friend of mine had two of those, so nice
13:05 <steve30> This one is just VGA
15:01 <Ysjoelfir> still a great tube
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27:05 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir, steve30, and electrohead 
27:18 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera
27:24 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, a serious question
27:27 <Ampera> oh no
28:05 <Ysjoelfir> would you feel offended when I say Amperine from time to time? I don't mean that to seriously offend you, more like a "I support your plan" thing
28:43 <Ampera> I consider it dumb and mildly annoying, but not offensive, as I've made it a point and goal to not get offended by dumb shit
28:58 <Ampera> my stance as ever is do what you want I don't care
29:23 <Ampera> there's worse things you could call me and I'd still be friendly
29:34 <Ysjoelfir> Nah, I can just stop it :) don't want my friends to feel annoyed by me :)
30:07 <Ampera> I threw that hope out the door long ago, I'm reasonably certain I annoy the shit out of everyone here
30:39 * electrohead hugs and annoys Ampera
30:39 <K> yes.
30:49 <K> it is terrible
31:05 <Ampera> K, sorry, I'll try harder
31:06 <K> i want to speak to the manager!
31:19 <Ampera> I am the manager
31:41 <K> no ur not!
31:54 <K> stop lying and call some grownups!
31:56 <Ampera> if you keep doubting me I swear to fuck I'll break something
32:44 <NeroTHz> monin
32:51 <Ampera> morning, NeroTHz, how are you doing
32:56 <NeroTHz> bleh
33:00 <NeroTHz> my paper got rejected
33:02 * Ampera hugs and hugs electrohead
33:08 <Ampera> that's a shame, what for?
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33:10 <NeroTHz> GF is really struggeling with her OCD
33:17 <NeroTHz> I have unrealistic deadlines
33:21 <hsn> what the hell is "dosing sensor" ?
33:22 <NeroTHz> so same-old same-old I gues
33:39 <Ampera> Unrealistic deadlines is something I seem to have been dealing with a lot at work
33:53 <hsn> boss bullshitting with other bosses and said "yeah yeah dosing sensor .. thats it" ...
33:55 <Ampera> it's insanely hard for me to know how long it's gonna take to test something, especially as I tend to work at inconsistent rates
34:06 <Ampera> and things I believe are not big time wasters end up eating tons of time
34:41 <K> dowsing sensor maybe?
34:49 <Ampera> hsn, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing#Equipment
34:56 <K> dunno if you have anything like that in the desert of yours
35:06 <hsn> oh yeah Ampera u got it
35:22 <hsn> K .. we got lots of bullshitting boses here
35:29 <K> ah.
35:37 <K> that'll do.
35:38 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera: Nah. you're not annoying. you have to try harder to annoy me :P NeroTHz aww, crap, sorry to hear that. My workmates doctors paper thing got rejected by IEEE... I think seven times? hsn - maybe that could be a new profession for you :D
35:53 <hsn> yesterday the owner was bullying on engineer .. "fuses are for dainasours .. no one use fuse on DC .. only ment for AC"
35:54 <hsn> lol
35:55 <K> being a boss?
36:00 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I'll strive to be better at it then
36:10 <Ampera> whatever I fail I can only try again harder
36:21 <NeroTHz> well, the paper (a 50 gbit/s link) got rejected because someone submitted a 100 gbit link that was very similar
36:23 <NeroTHz> so it makes sense
36:51 <Ampera> simple, submit 10 papers on your 50gbit/s link, therefore you have a 500gbit/s link
38:44 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, well... kind of true, every semiconductor is faster than a fast blown tube. :D but its still good to have one to prefent more damage. tell that mr. boss ^^
38:51 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - thats good, do that.
39:08 <Ysjoelfir> NeroTHz - oh. well. thats.. understandable, but still annoying, you worked hard for that paper I assume
39:34 <NeroTHz> it´s okay, well juts resubmit to the next conference
40:12 <coppice> when a 200Gbps paper will also be submitted
40:41 <NeroTHz> coppice, you never know. we can only try
41:10 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not sure I understand the plan? like, enhancing it to have a faster one, or submitting to a different... bunch of overpaid people reading papers?
41:44 <coppice> a 50Gbps link is bound to fail. Everyone know the successful links have a speed beginning with 1
41:46 <NeroTHz> Ysjoelfir, this was the top conference in the field. there are less fancy conferences we can try to submit the same work to
43:15 <Ysjoelfir> ah, I see.
43:35 * Ysjoelfir adds a 1 in front of nero's paper and resubmits it
44:07 <Ampera> coppice, 10^2 * 0.5Gbps link
47:55 <Ysjoelfir> :D
51:01 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/67asegf9yts51.png
53:34 <Ysjoelfir> Also, steve30 - I just noticed that you have the same tupperermac on the floor as I have beside me. I want to make that an ATX case. do you use yours as a mac?
53:45 <Ysjoelfir> lol @ T3sl4 :D
53:56 <electrohead> https://blog.t8012.dev/plug-n-pwn/
59:52 <steve30> The PowerMac G4 in that photo is indeed used as a PowerMac G4. In that photo it is connected up to the monitor.
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