// #eevblog — 2020-10-11
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00:04:05 <clarkos> Good luck with covid.
00:04:11 <clarkos> Dave is from NSW
00:04:17 <clarkos> So he's a state north of me.
00:04:21 <clarkos> But same country at least.
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01:39:24 <arch> MrMobodies, why are you using adblock plus? ublock origin has no bullshit acceptable ads policy. it destroys ads with extreme prejudice
01:41:38 <arch> also a lot more filters
01:43:52 <Watcher> MrMobodies, You can also use umatrix it looks almost the same and is from the same developer
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02:38:59 <arch> ahhh i love the small of PLA fumes
02:39:25 <rust_collector> uh, good for you, I guess
02:42:59 <rust_collector> what are you making? or do you like fumes enough to just put scrap printed things on a heater?
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02:50:45 <arch> lol
02:51:05 <arch> im printing a v59 universal lcd driver case
02:52:51 <rust_collector> oh. I think I saw something about lcd driver things last night.
02:53:11 <rust_collector> good luck with that
02:53:28 <arch> yeah that was me ranting about morons posting in forums for shits and giggles instead of actually giving helpful answers
02:53:42 <arch> we need more posters like T3sl4
02:53:54 <arch> any time he posts something, i know i'm in for a nice long read
02:54:37 <rust_collector> well, either that, or something very short. But... at least it seems to be correct most of the time
02:54:59 <rust_collector> not that I know enough to say it is, lol
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03:54:05 <DHess_US> https://i.imgflip.com/4i1mp7.jpg
03:55:06 <arch> what device are you talking about?
03:55:45 <rust_collector> the tv the wife has in the bedroom, with a blue laser beam
03:56:43 <DHess_US> Fucking anything now. They got the message; blue indicator LEDs are annoying. So now they use pinhole bezels so they are both annoying and unreliable.
03:57:26 <arch> i had to cover up my router LEDs with electrical tape cuz they are so bright
03:58:04 <rust_collector> I did that on the tv. the router... I just put a piano in front of it, it helps a bit
04:02:33 <DHess_US> Example, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F4V5DZ4/ref=twister_B08F736BYS
04:09:58 <DHess_US> Another example, https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/s251bmu313
04:23:59 <DHess_US> Hmm ... I've got an idea ...
04:24:22 <DHess_US> Could take this hub apart and change the pinhole blue LEDs to something usable.
04:25:13 <rust_collector> flashing rgb should look great
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05:02:10 <DHess_US> Last system I did has all that RGB stuff on the main board, and support for adding more.
05:03:11 <rust_collector> hehe, yes
05:03:30 <DHess_US> I don't think my new motherboard has it. Hmm.
05:04:34 <rust_collector> kid #1 tends to buy all kinds of rgb crap to have inside his box. ram, fans, random lights... then he puts the box under his desk, and never looks at it before it overheats or something
05:04:50 <DHess_US> Oh, I guess it does. Oh well.
05:05:24 <DHess_US> It was the board with the minimum of gamer trash that I could find which met my other specifications, https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X570-PRO/
05:07:29 <rust_collector> I think they should have a small "work light" on motherboards, or maybe in the case. especially now that everything is black and black and black
05:08:23 <DHess_US> After I installed a new GPU on my current system so I could play Subnautica, I had the side off and the shadows from the GPU board shining through the cables on my ceiling looked like the globe zone. I kept waking up in the middle of the night and thinking I was in subnautica.
05:09:40 <rust_collector> I guess it is a feature
05:10:16 <DHess_US> https://d.wattpad.com/story_parts/464825852/images/14fcb53989951bad673721968821.jpg
05:10:37 <DHess_US> I had to give up playing. 8GB isn't enough RAM to reliably play Subnautica.
05:10:57 <DHess_US> Prawn suit got stuck in the Cyclops sub so I lost all my stuff.
05:12:12 <rust_collector> he kids "old" computer is still on the table next to me... I wonder if I want to try to fix it or not. it is either the cpu or motherboard. I guess the motherboard is cheaper, but it would be a waste to replace that if it was the cpu. But otoh, it is not mine, so I will probably not do anything
05:12:55 <DHess_US> https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198022216450/recommended/264710/
05:14:13 <DHess_US> Computer I just built for someone else, https://i.ibb.co/pjb8mx4/IMG-0434.jpg
05:14:16 <rust_collector> but ram is not THAT expensive?
05:14:41 <rust_collector> hmm, that looks nice and compact
05:15:00 <DHess_US> Ryzen 2 3100, 16GB ECC, 4 x 4TB drives in RAID6
05:15:26 <DHess_US> Positive pressure filtered air
05:15:33 <DHess_US> Very quiet and clean
05:15:56 <DHess_US> The system I'm building for myself is about twice as tall, 8 drives, 4 external bays, 64GB ECC
05:16:04 <DHess_US> <rust_collector> but ram is not THAT expensive?
05:16:23 <DHess_US> My old system is 8GB ECC but since it is DDR2, upgrading the memory would be very expensive.
05:16:31 <rust_collector> oh
05:16:36 <DHess_US> Essentially upgrading the RAM would cost as much as a new MB, CPU, and RAM
05:16:50 <DHess_US> And it wouldn't be as much RAM
05:17:12 <DHess_US> So 8BG to 32GB for the cost of a new MB, CPU, and 32GB of RAM
05:17:36 <DHess_US> I think I'll put it in my old pedestal case and turn it into a massive file server.
05:18:36 <rust_collector> I notice I am pretty happy about not liking games. my old hp some model is fine for my use.
05:20:00 <DHess_US> 8GB also isn't enough for desktop work though. Have to reboot every few days because of memory fragmentation.
05:20:23 <DHess_US> Updated *this* system from 8 to 12 GB and it made a big difference.
05:21:33 <DHess_US> Most difficult think to find for a new system was a case.
05:21:56 <rust_collector> I think I have some odd size ram... let me see
05:22:16 <rust_collector> the system can see 13.6G
05:22:18 <rust_collector> heh
05:22:39 <DHess_US> How does that even happen on a modern system?
05:22:43 <DHess_US> HP?
05:22:56 <DHess_US> Oh, built in video? That could do it
05:23:16 <DHess_US> If the video uses the system memory. My old system supports that but I haven't been using the built in video.
05:23:30 <rust_collector> yes, it is an old hp office sort of thing. If I am not remembering wrong, it is an elite 8200
05:24:19 <rust_collector> yes, I guess that could be it.
05:24:54 <rust_collector> it has been on for 99 days 11 hours and 45 minutes, lol
05:25:17 <DHess_US> During POST the BIOS assigned a block of motherboard RAM to the GPU built into either the chipset or CPU.
05:25:39 <DHess_US> That memory doesn't count as far as the OS is concerned.
05:25:45 <rust_collector> right
05:25:59 <DHess_US> I haven't been able to get more than one or two weeks with 8GB Windows 10 system.
05:26:14 <rust_collector> Oh well, it is what it is, for my use it is perfectly fine.
05:26:46 <DHess_US> Oh yea, there's nothing wrong with it. On AMD Ryzen processors, the built in GPU is pretty good anyway.
05:26:53 <rust_collector> I have not made it to several weeks with windows 10 installed.
05:27:33 <rust_collector> I think I might have 10 on the laptop I use for one of the car diagnostics things, but I wonder if I did not go back to 7
05:28:00 <DHess_US> I managed to skip 7 and 8
05:28:21 <DHess_US> I saw enough of 7 that I didn't want anything to do with it.
05:29:32 <rust_collector> I dunno? it did seem to work ok, but it also seems to like getting a fresh install every 2-3 months
05:30:48 <rust_collector> I think I used the 7 "starter edition" on that laptop. the netbook version. it is not getting any updates, and there is no networking things happening, so it is fine
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05:31:54 <DHess_US> I just mean from a usability perspective. Windows 10 has problems but not as many as 7.
05:33:23 <DHess_US> I mean who ever needs to select the parent directly in file explorer anyway?
05:35:48 <rust_collector> 10 seems to work ok, when I try it, but I tend to use classic shell menu thing. but yes, I have not used it much. and most of the time, I do not do computering, I just use a browser. and on things like that laptop, I just need some OS to run that one tool. it is similar to a hammer.
05:37:15 <DHess_US> I have a whole series of things which I do to make Windows 10 tolerable.
05:41:37 <rust_collector> hmm, just to ask about something completely different... The connectors used on scope probes... is there anything I should look for if I want to buy those? I guess there is not much special about them, so just get something that fits nice, and seems solid?
05:42:07 <rust_collector> this is for very low end hobby stuff
05:43:27 <hsn> DHess_US im curious .. r u specialist in software or hardware
05:43:51 <DHess_US> analog circuit design
05:44:07 <DHess_US> But I've done embedded programming also
05:44:35 <hsn> but i think ur very good with software also .. no?
05:44:46 <DHess_US> low noise circuits, picosecond precision, and 10 GHz sampling are no strangers to me.
05:45:12 <DHess_US> Application software? I'm good with data structures and real time programming.
05:45:27 <DHess_US> I haven't written application software since ... the 1990s.
05:46:21 <DHess_US> If someone paid me, I would be happy to write the autonomous driving software for a car, but it wouldn't have any AI.
05:46:35 <hsn> well .. i really hope i become like u or T3sl4 one day ....
05:46:50 <rust_collector> oh gawd
05:46:51 <DHess_US> T3sl4 is a better role model.
05:47:06 <hsn> if condition is also AI .. :)
05:47:57 <hsn> if (car.tilted){car.straightener();}
05:48:07 <DHess_US> I don't think that is what they mean by AI
05:48:19 <hsn> in which era
05:48:25 <DHess_US> now
05:48:45 <hsn> ah .. business ppl r taking tech over
05:48:55 <hsn> they speak no sense
05:48:59 <rust_collector> how much AI stuff do you think you can fit in a toilet, before it feels it has had enough shit from you?
05:49:35 <hsn> rust_collector im not joking i had to write ai application document for that toilet project
05:49:44 <hsn> at some point of time
05:50:11 <hsn> just bcz managment ask ..
05:50:26 <rust_collector> uuh that sounds like a 2 line document
05:50:38 <hsn> 2-3 page
05:50:54 <hsn> with stupid graph to make them think im smart
05:51:54 <hsn> it was about .. detecting preventive maintanance stuff ..
05:52:27 <hsn> from waveforms of pressure, sound, vibration .. etc ..
05:53:07 <rust_collector> so you could log taco nights, from sound pressure and such?
05:53:37 <hsn> rust_collector its all "joke"
05:53:45 <DHess_US> hsn, been assembling computers since before the IBM PC.
05:54:03 <rust_collector> I think a toilet that can learn things is a baaad idea
05:54:27 <hsn> rust_collector what if i learned u ate pizza not salad
05:54:47 <rust_collector> yeah, what about it? you would probably be correct
05:54:49 <hsn> from the pressure build in the tank..
05:55:35 <hsn> DHess_US why T3sl4 vetter model
05:55:49 <hsn> u both are great ppl
05:55:51 <rust_collector> that does not have anything to do with AI, I think? that is you doing statistics stuff?
05:56:10 <hsn> rust_collector .. it does trolling
05:56:29 <hsn> ai is about statistics anyway !?
05:56:53 <rust_collector> ok
05:57:10 <rust_collector> I think it is time for more coffee
05:57:16 <coppice> hsn: he's the younger and newer model. and we all know the latest thing is the best
05:58:09 <hsn> coppice .. i once googled .. what does it take to become T3sl4
06:00:27 <hsn> https://youtu.be/TkU1ob_lHCw
06:02:58 <rust_collector> I guess he should start his own fan club, lol
06:04:42 <hsn> baiden made the video?
06:04:44 <hsn> xD
06:05:20 <rust_collector> what? did he forget to take the lens cover off?
06:05:44 <hsn> whaaat?
06:19:02 <rust_collector> heh, I think the crap current clamp ysjoelfir donated is too good for me to measure with it on the bench. I have to find something with much more current
06:19:57 <coppice> rust_collector: I think any good toilet needs to learn to put up with my shit
06:20:49 <rust_collector> I would think you should make a toilet as dumb as possible, so it does not... do things
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06:29:29 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/XnJu3E7
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07:22:51 <Ampera> LockPickingLawyer covering an australian dual row slider/sidebar lock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uk6C1iDkQ
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09:00:06 <rust_collector> sssh!
09:08:39 * T3sl4 SSHs into rust_collector
09:08:50 <rust_collector> well, hello?
09:34:27 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07rtBip9ixk&feature=emb_title
09:45:37 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:45:44 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
09:45:49 <Ampera> <3
09:45:58 <Halcyon> \o/
09:46:01 <rust_collector> Morning you
09:46:04 <rust_collector> and Ampera
09:46:47 <Ampera> How are you doing Halcyon?
09:46:57 <Halcyon> I just woke up, having coffee
09:47:04 <Ampera> Getting ready for your trip to Cambria?
09:47:09 <Halcyon> Yeh
10:07:36 <electrohead> o/
10:08:35 * Ampera hugs electrohead
10:08:53 * electrohead hugs Ampera
10:09:05 <Ampera> how are you doing friend
10:13:40 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
10:14:16 <rust_collector> ......
10:14:27 <rust_collector> hi mr head?
10:14:40 * Ampera stabs Halcyon with a sharpie
10:14:47 <rust_collector> meh, he is probably sleeping
10:15:09 <Halcyon> Pointy
10:17:11 <Ampera> it's currently
10:17:16 <Ampera> EEVBlog convert 71F to C
10:17:16 <EEVBlog> The result is: 21.667 c
10:17:19 <Ampera> degrees out
10:17:44 <rust_collector> hmm, so it is still summer over there...
10:17:50 <Ampera> no it's officially fall
10:18:15 <rust_collector> then I don't want to be there in summer
10:19:15 <Ampera> it rarely goes over 95F
10:19:20 <Ampera> EEVBlog convert 95F to C
10:19:20 <EEVBlog> The result is: 35 c
10:19:22 <Ampera> during summer
10:20:46 <rust_collector> yeah.
10:20:58 <rust_collector> that is not ideal for people like me
10:21:08 <Ampera> On the bright side we have cold windows, on occasion going as cold as
10:21:14 <Ampera> EEVBlog convert -20F to C
10:21:14 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
10:21:24 <Ampera> hrm, I didn't implement signed units
10:21:35 <rust_collector> hah
10:21:41 <Ampera> as most quantities are absolutes, except for temperature
10:22:02 <Ampera> anyways it's around -30C iirc
10:22:06 <rust_collector> -20 should be aro
10:22:08 <Ampera> is the lowest I've personally seen
10:22:08 <rust_collector> yea
10:22:58 <Halcyon> Hahaha https://twitter.com/I_MacHunt/status/1314268614623723520?s=20
10:23:31 <Ampera> politics and twitter just makes me want to vomit at this point
10:23:40 <rust_collector> it does not get all that cold here. we have had a random -30 for a day or two, now and then, but in general it stays at around -50c for a week or so, then it goes back to -5 or so
10:23:41 <Halcyon> It's very clever and makes me smile
10:23:49 <Ampera> it's childish and made by a moron
10:23:56 <Halcyon> It's far from childish
10:24:01 <Ampera> it's childish
10:24:08 <Halcyon> I'd even say it's less childish than your current President
10:24:10 <Ampera> all of twitter is fucking inbred
10:24:14 <Halcyon> It's actually quite clever
10:24:28 <Ampera> it's pasting faces over a video and calling that satire
10:24:34 <Ampera> it's dumb
10:24:47 <Halcyon> *sigh*
10:25:02 <rust_collector> why do we have that twitter crap here anyway? I would probably have twitter if I was interested
10:25:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, politics is a fucking sick game in the US right now
10:25:17 <Halcyon> Yes it is, it's all kinds of fucked up
10:25:42 <Ampera> jokes are one thing but they aren't even funny, it's just showing how little of a shit people actually give
10:25:45 <Halcyon> I honestly don't know how the hell you guys are going to pull yourselves out of the mess you are in. Your candidates scare me.
10:25:55 <Ampera> We've had worse
10:26:09 <Ampera> I'd pick Trump over Bush Jr. personally
10:26:15 <Halcyon> I think people don't give a shit because you're fucked either way. People are just sitting back and waiting for what comes next.
10:26:32 <rust_collector> but that is how voting over there works
10:27:13 <Ampera> What I mean by people don't take it seriously is nobody is willing to give Trump any benefit, or Biden any detriment.
10:27:26 <Ampera> Of course there are people who do, but the perception in the media is so fucking skewed it's nauseating
10:27:47 <Halcyon> Well yes... that's the media for you.
10:28:12 <Halcyon> Anyone who takes this seriously won't be following what's reported in mainstream media.
10:28:22 <Ampera> the issue is sites like Twitter encourage people to believe in it, they not only blast, but curate that content to millions of people daily
10:28:23 <rust_collector> I think journalism is more sick that the politics in the usa now
10:28:28 <Ampera> ^^^
10:28:39 <Halcyon> Yeh it is, because look who runs the media outlets
10:28:43 <Halcyon> They all have an agenda.
10:29:19 <rust_collector> at least the president is just a president.
10:29:45 <Ampera> Trump has done some reasonable good during his stay in office, and has made some serious changes, and attempted many more that people are never told about
10:30:11 <Ampera> He is the first president in absolute ages who has taken an anti-aggro stance on foreign policy, and has worked to pull troops out of fights we should never have started fighting
10:30:23 <rust_collector> right
10:30:34 <Halcyon> Sure
10:31:18 <rust_collector> I think the guy is pretty annoying, but I am not sure if he is bad, as such. weird, yes
10:31:29 <Ampera> No president is perfect, most aren't even any good, but my issue is that Trump is always analogous to Hitler regardless of what he does, and Biden is Christ on earth despite having a brain made of 75% tomato
10:31:55 <Ampera> Eccentric politicians are nothing new, and as far as they go, Trump is pretty tame
10:31:57 <rust_collector> hitler did stuff...
10:31:59 <rust_collector> lol
10:32:42 <Ampera> It's even further infuriating that an entire party full of options is designed from the ground up to be unfair for voters.
10:32:53 <Ampera> As a registered democrat, my primary vote means even less than my presidential one does
10:32:57 <rust_collector> without hitler, we would not have some of the best slayer songs.....
10:33:56 <Ampera> There were so many reasonable options running for the Democrats, none of them excellent, even though I was somewhat partial to Bernie, but many of them better than fucking Biden
10:34:24 <Ampera> The issue really is the Democrats haven't changed a whole lot from their incredibly racist, discriminating, and authoritarian past
10:34:42 <Ampera> and they're literally half the choice available
10:35:18 <Ampera> fuck politics, and fuck Twitter for making me think of them, that's all I can say
10:35:23 <Ampera> and fuck Halcyon just because I love him
10:36:17 <rust_collector> I am not really into how the elections work over there, but can you only have 2? or can you in theory get a 3rd option, until the end of the election?
10:36:45 <Ampera> Anyone who meets the non-political requirements (age, nationality, etc.) can run for president
10:37:20 <rust_collector> ok, so you do not have to be on the democrat or republican side at all?
10:37:20 <Ampera> However, the way the vote is structured, the Democrat and Republican parties are the only ones with enough financial backing to ever get candidates popular enough to go anywhere
10:37:29 <rust_collector> right. ok
10:37:29 <Ampera> Not in theory, but in practice.
10:37:50 <Halcyon> Aw :)
10:37:54 <Ampera> It would be alright, if the parties held fair and honest internal elections, but they sort of don't.
10:38:12 <Ampera> In most states, you can't vote in the primary elections for both parties (the elections used to chose candidates)
10:38:44 <Ampera> and the Democrats have all sorts of tricks, scams, and rule bends to make sure only candidates wanted by the party leadership ever get voted in
10:39:19 <Ampera> The Republicans sadly hold some of the fairest primaries, as they are a fairly simple flat voting scheme with delegates (not sure if those delegates are bound to vote akin, or not)
10:39:56 <Ampera> So this election cycle, Trump ran almost unopposed in the Republican party, and the Democratic party had no fair elections, so they could pick whoever they wanted
10:40:25 <Ampera> which really meant nobody got to choose who the two people we get to vote for in November are
10:41:17 <Ampera> Congress, however, is the more important branch of government (the legislative branch, as opposed to the executive), as they ultimately hold all power
10:41:53 <Ampera> but the issue is the parties are so malicious towards each other, nobody ever forms compromises unless it is literally the end of the world
10:44:55 <rust_collector> well, we do a lot of compromises over here, and that is not perfect either. they get to spend millions, figuring out what they can do, and ho that would be done, and they spend decades on figuring out a compromise, which means that in 30 years we get a road built, that no one really wants, because it is not going to where people live, and it is also made out of mud, because the other party thinks mud is organic and that is better
10:44:55 <rust_collector> for the environment
10:45:38 <rust_collector> but hey! we get a new road, so they did something
10:45:40 <Ampera> The main issue is how parties spend billions on advertising trying to vilify the other party
10:46:12 <Ampera> it genuinely feels like state fascism vs communism in how far each side is willing to go to absolutely deplore the other
10:46:46 <rust_collector> hehe, that reminds me that mom is always called a communist when she is over there, lol
10:47:06 <rust_collector> which is not too far from the truth, really
10:47:21 <rust_collector> but she gets really upset about it
10:47:38 <Ampera> Extremism in general is the problem, but what sucks about dealing with that is extremists are the first to call anyone not at their level extremists
10:47:46 <Ampera> There is almost no center in our politics
10:48:31 <rust_collector> i am not even sure if we have sides here, they are all more or less the same, except for some little details
10:52:07 <Halcyon> https://isbgpsafeyet.com/
10:56:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, my 3 ISPs are listed as safe, unsafe, and unsafe
10:56:28 <Halcyon> Mines safe, but it seems it's not super widely implemented yet
10:56:38 <Ampera> though apparently one of them has started the work
10:59:39 * electrohead waves again
10:59:44 * Ampera hugs electrohead
10:59:49 * electrohead hugs everyone
11:00:19 <Ampera> wow you don't want to hug me so much you'd rather hug everyone else before me
11:00:24 <Ampera> ok
11:00:38 <electrohead> :P
11:00:38 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera with our communism
11:01:01 <electrohead> comcast is still listed as 'unsafe'
11:01:03 <electrohead> heh
11:01:06 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 with our fascism
11:01:12 <Ampera> hah, comcast, what kinda loser uses comcast
11:01:18 * T3sl4 shoots Ampera
11:01:26 <Ampera> DOCSIS noobs
11:01:47 <Ampera> you can shoot me, but it's gonna take a while to upload the bullet
11:03:59 <T3sl4> in commucast russia, yuo may be right
11:04:18 <Ampera> russia has best internet
11:04:22 <Ampera> IPoCB
11:04:26 <Ampera> IP over Carrier Bear
11:04:44 <electrohead> comcast is my only choice for 'fast' internet
11:04:52 <Ampera> fast?
11:07:01 <electrohead> yes
11:08:30 <rust_collector> no 'fast'
11:10:39 <electrohead> lol
11:12:28 <T3sl4> oh nice, this beer is back on the shelf https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/590/9900/
11:12:52 <Ampera> TIL T3sl4 is both fat and a squirrel
11:13:06 * T3sl4 sips
11:13:08 <T3sl4> yes.
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11:54:07 <rust_collector> do something fun, and annoy people where you are going
11:55:13 <Halcyon> Hahah will do
11:55:16 <Halcyon> Laters
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12:13:29 <Nothing\> i had a datasheet question
12:14:00 <rust_collector> but?
12:14:12 <Nothing\> is the clamp voltage the value of all inputs/outputs combined? or does it only apply to one individual input/output?
12:14:23 <Nothing\> oh, but nothnig
12:15:25 <Nothing\> i mean this says the claim voltage for this chip is 20ma so does that mean i can ony have 20ma max for all of the inputs combined? or just for each individual input?
12:15:44 <Nothing\> thta is, should i use mosfet buffers?
12:15:51 <Nothing\> for my LEDs
12:16:00 <Nothing\> on a 74hc595 shift register
12:16:08 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
12:16:16 <T3sl4> to each input
12:16:19 <rust_collector> I think it would be for each, but...
12:16:39 <rust_collector> ok
12:16:53 <Nothing\> yeah that sounds right
12:17:08 <Nothing\> cuz i mean, the clamping mechanism would be separate for each input
12:17:19 <T3sl4> it's usually paired, give or take
12:17:35 <Nothing\> even better
12:17:44 <T3sl4> also, it's drawn as diodes, but it's actually crappy transistors, most of the current is carried to the opposite rail, and a little bit leaks between pins
12:17:57 <T3sl4> nothing that matters if you aren't abusing the shit out of it
12:18:54 <Nothing\> ah okay
12:19:25 <Nothing\> well i'd still rather not activate the clamping circuit but i doubt i will with this setup
12:30:11 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> i mean this says the claim voltage for this chip is 20ma so does that mean i can ony have 20ma max for all of the inputs combined? or just for each individual input?
12:30:19 <DHess_US> Yes but ...
12:30:37 <DHess_US> The power and ground pins also have a maximum current limit
12:31:01 <DHess_US> So 20 milliamps x 8 outputs is *not* such a good idea for reliable operation.
12:35:17 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3
12:36:48 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i'm pretty sure it's much less than 20ma
12:38:03 <Nothing\> keep falling asleep here
12:38:04 <DHess_US> 16 or 20 or 25 milliamps is the absolute maximum specification per pin. Power pins could be between 100 and 200 milliamps.
12:38:20 <DHess_US> I consider typically safe to be 4 or 5 millamps.
12:38:34 <DHess_US> Which in practice is plenty for driving non-multiplexed LEDs.
12:39:04 <DHess_US> If you are driving a multiplexed display, then external transistors should be used for increased current.
12:39:26 <DHess_US> Or buffer ICs designed to drive multiplexed displays.
12:39:38 <Nothing\> lemme do the math to get the exact current per output
12:54:07 <Nothing\> 6.4ma is what i got
12:54:21 <Nothing\> so nowhere near the 20 required, but enough
12:57:21 <Nothing\> DHess_US, Julian Ilett has a video where he's making blinken lights out of a z80 by tying all of the instruction pins to 0 to perform a NOP over and over again and then used LEDs on the program counter and a few other outputs. But he had it so the CPU's pins were directly driving the LEDs at like 10-20ma
12:58:24 <Nothing\> he always does that, though. a lot of people on YouTube seem to
13:05:55 <DHess_US> You can do it; it is just not conducive to good reliability.
13:07:29 <DHess_US> If you check the datasheet, there is an "absolute maximum" specification, and also a "recommanded" or "test" specification. The later are a good design point.
13:09:27 <DHess_US> 74hc595 from TI is 70 milliamps *maximum* through ground or power pin.
13:11:17 <DHess_US> test currents are 4 to 7.8 milliamps
13:12:20 <T3sl4> Nothing\: that was the very first program i ever wrote for z80
13:12:43 <T3sl4> .db dup 65536 (nop)
13:13:08 <T3sl4> so easy to hand-assemble, too, just eight resistors ;)
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16:44:39 <T3sl4> omg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3mJ5pFndk
16:45:19 <steve30> a T3sl4!
16:45:30 * T3sl4 meows at steve30
16:47:19 <hsn> dave doing this green recording videos ... what happened to him ? https://snipboard.io/ce0spL.jpg
16:47:28 <hsn> he became green
16:48:51 <hsn> why is this pinned .. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/datasheet-database/ ... cant we just google the part number ? :D
16:48:52 <T3sl4> a mere ghost of his former self
16:59:35 <hsn> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/npn-pass-power-transistors-for-3-3v-regulation/msg3271636/#msg3271636
16:59:52 <hsn> "I don't know if you are a bless or something,"
16:59:57 <hsn> hahaha typical arab :D
17:02:02 <T3sl4> what does that translate from?
17:20:11 <hsn> T3sl4, didnt understand .. hmmm
17:21:13 <hsn> its like im telling u .. "this device doesnt work .. i hve no soloution" ... and then u tell me .. "are u sure u dont have this thing ???" ... and then
17:21:35 <hsn> i check .. "the deivce is working ... or i find the missing thing " ... and i say "u r blessing"
17:33:10 <T3sl4> so, "thank goodness"?
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17:43:22 <hsn> T3sl4, yeah somthing similar
17:43:28 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, hi
17:43:29 * T3sl4 hug Ysjoelfir
17:43:33 <hsn> o/
17:44:37 * hsn inserts "#define TRUE (rand()% 100 < 98)" into T3sl4 main header files
17:44:55 * hsn is evil
17:45:29 <T3sl4> if you read my github you'd know i use stdbool and false and true, not TRUE
17:45:56 <hsn> well u suck :)
17:47:12 <hsn> https://github.com/T3sl4co1l/raycast_win/blob/master/main.cpp
17:47:18 <hsn> line 284 ?
17:47:59 <T3sl4> plus i'd notice rand on the output listing, at least in embedded
17:48:27 <hsn> what is output listing ?
17:48:41 <T3sl4> also that one gets bool primitive, i think? or maybe it's in one of the cpp headers idunno, i don't cpp much
17:49:40 <hsn> did u see line 284 ? the red ^m ?
17:49:56 <T3sl4> wonder what that is
17:50:36 <hsn> mybe the github viewer
17:50:42 <hsn> has a problem
17:50:57 <hsn> line 329
17:50:58 <hsn> also
17:51:54 <hsn> how would u notice output listing rand
17:52:17 <T3sl4> seems to be a CRLF confusion, if anything
17:53:18 <T3sl4> not sure, the editor should be saving those consistently *shrug*
17:53:40 <T3sl4> also line 346, duplicated empty doc comment
17:55:05 <T3sl4> anyway, listing is the .lss file you can generate, lists complete disassembly with symbols, so, variable and function names and addresses inline
17:55:19 <hsn> oh ok
17:55:27 <hsn> do u check this manually ?
17:55:38 <hsn> like alot ?
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17:56:19 <hsn> ah u ment .. u will notice it after the "problem occurs" and u 've to debug it ..
17:56:28 <hsn> then .. i allready did my evilness .. :P
17:58:09 <T3sl4> no i mean, unless i use the macro only once so the function call gets inlined, i'll probably notice the function in the listing
17:58:40 <T3sl4> and then i'll wonder when the fuck i called rand cuz i have very little reason to, anywhere it doesn't belong
17:59:05 <T3sl4> and then i'll find "TRUE", doubt reality itself, then search its definition in headers and find the change
17:59:15 <T3sl4> which is probably only a few minutes, since these aren't large projects
17:59:54 <T3sl4> i look at the listings pretty regularly for embedded, partly because i always want to see what's optimizing especially poorly, which is most things in gcc8 :/
18:02:12 <T3sl4> not sure what my biggest project so far has been, probably under 20kB still
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18:59:17 <Ysjoelfir> so, hello all :)
18:59:44 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, I'm done with your thingie and added my comments to that document you shared :)
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19:04:21 <Ysjoelfir> hey steve :) How are you?
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