// #eevblog — 2020-10-05
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00:45:49 <rust_collector> ding dong
00:48:14 <rust_collector> sure lots of things work on 48v, but do any of the things you have run on it?
00:48:33 <rust_collector> So, I think I will do some tinkering today
00:49:13 <rust_collector> or maybe try to find the workbench in the garage again.
00:49:45 <rust_collector> or grab net looking components out of the sparky tv
00:50:51 <Ysjoelfir> my POE stuff does. I have 2 Phones, a switch and the router, all of those use a seperate PSU right now. also I have a soldering iron which works on up to 48V, and a stick screwdriver with torque setting thing. pretty cool thing actually, use it way to unoften
00:51:52 <rust_collector> neat. I have been thinking about some kind of motor.screwdriver. My arm is not getting much better, lol
00:52:55 <rust_collector> well, that stuff should probably work fine together, I would think
00:53:09 <Ysjoelfir> do you want to have it? I realy use it not often enough.
00:53:21 <Ysjoelfir> and since I want to reduce the amount of stuff I have anyways...
00:53:22 <rust_collector> nah, just start using it more
00:54:22 <Ysjoelfir> thats one solution to the "problem"
00:54:22 <rust_collector> well, you know.... maybe we can make some kind of deal on stuff some time
00:55:47 <rust_collector> When I had a summer job for kongsberg, we used some pretty neat panasonic battery drivers with very precise torque setting thingies. they were pretty cool
00:57:14 <Ysjoelfir> we replaced the wired electronic stick drivers with probably exactly those panasonic ones^^
00:57:43 <electrohead> rust_collector: currently, I don't have anything that actually requires 48V, it's just there if I do need it for something. it's mainly for the DPS5005 I have, to supply it with a decent voltage range
00:58:29 <rust_collector> kongsberg was probably the weirdest place I have ever worked
00:59:20 <rust_collector> electrohead, i thought the 5005 was a buck/boost sort of thing? but ok, that should make it work less, I guess
01:00:32 <rust_collector> one summer, I had to paint an office. 3 times
01:00:53 <rust_collector> they did not have anything useful to do, so I was told to just do the same room again
01:01:36 <rust_collector> not to mention all the weird people there
01:02:29 * Ampera hugs electrohead, Ysjoelfir, and rust_collector
01:03:14 * rust_collector is squished
01:03:20 <Ampera> <3
01:03:54 <rust_collector> does the Ampera have any neat stuff happening today?
01:04:08 <Ampera> cleaning
01:04:26 <rust_collector> oh well. at least it feels good when it is done, I guess
01:20:30 * electrohead hugs back
01:20:57 <electrohead> rust_collector: it is, just needs a supply voltage high enough for it
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01:37:14 <rust_collector> hmm, Ysjoelfir...
01:37:23 <Ysjoelfir> yes please?
01:37:25 <rust_collector> you know the red onion van...
01:38:09 <rust_collector> the owner asked if I wanted one just like it with 2wd and an automatic, as payment for fixing that one...
01:38:53 <rust_collector> I am a little bit confused, and... uhm. but it would be neat to have a van, I guess
01:39:26 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely :D put a small bed in it and use it as a camper. you have a beautiful country right in front of your door, use it! ^^
01:40:19 <rust_collector> I did think I should steal the bunk out of one of the trucks, and bolt it to the wall in a van. then I can just flip it up, and it is "gone"
01:40:32 <Ysjoelfir> that would be usefull
01:40:50 <rust_collector> But... I have not seen the other van yet.
01:41:22 <Ysjoelfir> you assume its even more onion-y?
01:41:29 <rust_collector> But I do wonder why she made me buy this van and fix it, if she has one. it even has almost the same colour
01:41:42 <rust_collector> I really have no idea
01:42:31 <rust_collector> I think the one she has now is a bit older, so it would have the old slow engine, not the newer still sort of slow engine
01:43:07 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/762323286108536832/20201004_104027.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/762323101979246622/20201004_103934.jpg
01:43:20 <Ampera> this, is what a dream looks like
01:44:10 <Ampera> these are cheddar cheese bagels from my supermarket, and this one had an entire 3/4ths inch thick cheese plug at the bottom
01:44:37 <rust_collector> oooh, 19mm cheese plug
01:44:39 <Ysjoelfir> that could be the case. but... yes, thats strange somehow. or maybe she founmd that one and thought you would like it?
01:44:50 <Ysjoelfir> uh, that looks nice!
01:44:52 <Ysjoelfir> I want one
01:45:12 <rust_collector> no, her ex used to have that one, I guess she stole it as payment for something, and left
01:46:51 <rust_collector> well, i hope I can get the original onion van going the week after next week. it is not as bad as it looks.
01:46:57 <Ysjoelfir> oh. that could also be the case. wasn't that ex an asshole and the reason why you needed that thing in the first place?
01:47:12 <rust_collector> yes, that was the thing
01:47:25 <Ysjoelfir> also Ampera, Kelly wants me to tell you to enjoy your cheese hole :)
01:47:48 <Ysjoelfir> well.. then I think you might be right there, rusty
01:48:23 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, that doesn't even crack the top hundred strangest things someone has ever said to me
01:50:10 <rust_collector> Hi miss kelly!
01:53:00 <Ysjoelfir> XD
01:53:25 <Ysjoelfir> Hello back from her rusty :) she was niticably happy to hear that you greated her :D
01:53:32 <Ysjoelfir> greeted
01:53:40 <Ysjoelfir> grated would also be... interesting
01:53:48 <rust_collector> I grate many
02:10:46 <rust_collector> so, I took a quick look at the sparky tv... I wonder if I should just grab the boards, and dump the rest. I guess the parts like being where they are, until I find a use for them...
02:25:03 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds reasonable
02:25:40 * Ampera is full of lox
02:26:32 <Ysjoelfir> who is lox and why is he in you?
02:27:05 <rust_collector> from my diving classes, I think lox is a bad thing to be full of
02:27:05 <Ampera> lox is a cured uncooked salmon, in this case nova lox, where the curing is a mild brine, and a mild cold smoke
02:35:47 <rust_collector> hmm. it just started pouring down, and the lights are blinking, lol
02:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> I would love it to be raining :)
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03:02:46 * T3sl4 licks Ampera
03:02:48 <T3sl4> mmm, lox
03:21:14 * Ampera lick-hugs T3sl4
03:21:30 <T3sl4> mmm, froggalicious
04:26:59 <PsySc0rpi0n> Hello
04:27:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> Does anyone know any brand of this type of logic fuses:
04:27:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://i.stack.imgur.com/gzoBR.jpg
05:20:26 <hsn> hello all hope u all good
05:21:16 <rust_collector> hey you, and whyyyyy?
05:23:14 <PsySc0rpi0n> why what?
05:23:25 <PsySc0rpi0n> You guys know about those fuses?
05:23:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> I coul use some help
05:23:36 <hsn> https://youtu.be/NKMoHLxDncU <-- Tell me why [ with lyrics]
05:23:42 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, i dont know it
05:24:00 <hsn> and i unfortunatelly cant answer for others .. for .. reasons
05:24:13 <hsn> so im sorry for being useless to u
05:24:43 <hsn> nothing new to hsn .. everyone here knows im useless anyway :P
05:24:57 <hsn> gay bot ..
05:25:03 <PsySc0rpi0n> hsn: I thought I was alone
05:25:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm also on that side
05:25:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol
05:25:23 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, the world have more useless ppl than usefull ppl
05:25:43 <PsySc0rpi0n> I guess...
05:26:05 <hsn> btw why that fuse has 3 teminals ?
05:26:18 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes
05:26:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> It's in a laptop li-ion battery
05:26:34 <rust_collector> because of the reason 11 is better than 10
05:26:44 <PsySc0rpi0n> and I can't find any voltage in the pins that connect the battery to the laptop
05:27:28 <PsySc0rpi0n> so, something must be blocking it from coming from the cells into the controller board
05:28:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> And this fuse, as you can see in the image, has 2 leds on one side, then, has that blue thing in the middle and has another lead on the other side
05:28:32 <Watcher> can you not find a schemetic or service manual?
05:28:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> and there is no continuity from the leads on one side to the other
05:29:00 <PsySc0rpi0n> So, I waas thinking that this fues might be blown
05:29:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> Watcher: I haven't searched for that
05:29:19 <rust_collector> http://www.karosium.com/2016/09/the-weird-fuses-in-laptop-batteries.html
05:29:23 <PsySc0rpi0n> do you think one can find a schematic or so?
05:29:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> I can try to search
05:29:34 <rust_collector> is there anything that looks similar there?
05:29:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> I know that site already
05:29:55 <PsySc0rpi0n> I read on it about batteries
05:29:58 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes
05:30:27 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q3hSYGEqHAY/V81_F1V5UEI/AAAAAAAABXE/8QUkfXSjK2sdbG3lJegm3xKzIvo7vZlSACLcB/s1600/d6t.jpg
05:30:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> that looks like mine
05:30:40 <rust_collector> right
05:30:51 <hsn> T3sl4, did u try solidworks pcb ever ? or know someone did ?
05:31:23 <hsn> its altium in solidworks i guess .. but i would guess it will be like ... circuitStudio ..
05:31:29 <rust_collector> so, it should be a SEFUSE D6x / D6T or some variant of that?
05:32:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> hsn: I use KiCad in Debian
05:33:10 <PsySc0rpi0n> or better, I used when I was at school
05:33:37 <PsySc0rpi0n> unfortunately I'm not working in the field of my graduation, unfortunately
05:37:33 <PsySc0rpi0n> I just took a picture to the fuse
05:37:39 <PsySc0rpi0n> Going to upload it
05:39:00 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://i.ibb.co/m63MjW1/20201004-193438.jpg
05:56:08 <electrohead> o/
05:58:35 <rust_collector> HEY MR HEAD!!!
06:00:19 <PsySc0rpi0n> ok, I removed the fuse
06:00:32 <PsySc0rpi0n> andd there is a reference underneeth it
06:05:51 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
06:07:01 <PsySc0rpi0n> this is my fuse
06:07:03 <PsySc0rpi0n> http://www.ogatama.com/fc-l.pdf
06:07:21 <rust_collector> soldering with the chinese iron at "180c" takes a while
06:08:50 <PsySc0rpi0n> I don't have chinese solder station
06:09:01 <PsySc0rpi0n> It's a cheap one but not chinese
06:09:09 <rust_collector> mine is
06:09:11 <PsySc0rpi0n> I have an ersa i-con Pico
06:09:54 <rust_collector> sounds pretty ok?
06:10:40 <hsn> ur china racist ?
06:10:43 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n,
06:10:49 <hsn> im from china .. why u hate us ?
06:10:50 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes, for the kind of work I do (hobby) is more than enough
06:11:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> I don't hate chinese
06:11:16 <rust_collector> it just has to be hot, lol
06:11:23 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol, but somr products are trash
06:11:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> well, as just as many other worldwide products
06:11:45 <hsn> so its like me saying .. i dont hate u but u smell bad .. ?
06:11:48 <hsn> u accept that ?
06:11:51 <rust_collector> sure, but loads of german products are both trash and overpriced
06:11:53 <PsySc0rpi0n> but as china exports a lot, maybe that get that saying more often
06:12:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> hsn: not gonna go there
06:12:15 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, u just anti chineese .. i know u
06:12:22 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm not racist against anyone
06:12:24 * hsn slaps PsySc0rpi0n with noodle
06:12:31 <hsn> im missing with u :D
06:12:32 <PsySc0rpi0n> lol
06:12:42 <rust_collector> WHY NOT! are you discriminating against us racists?
06:12:43 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm not anti-nothing
06:12:55 <PsySc0rpi0n> I buy many things from china
06:13:19 <hsn> isnt .. not anti-nothing = anti being anti-nothing ?
06:13:38 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, so ur solder iron is chineese
06:13:38 <rust_collector> hmm, china, they make a lot of trash
06:13:39 <hsn> ?
06:13:51 <hsn> rust_collector, everyone make lot of trash
06:13:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> go get some sleep
06:14:03 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, do u like my country's solder iron ?
06:14:09 <hsn> :D
06:14:18 <PsySc0rpi0n> I start not liking you
06:14:24 <hsn> :(
06:14:25 <PsySc0rpi0n> and don't even know if you're chinese or not
06:14:32 <rust_collector> heh, yes, hsn, it is just before I have to call your wife and say you are flirting and having fun online
06:14:34 <hsn> im nice u just have to know me more :D
06:14:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> and don't care
06:14:56 <hsn> rust_collector, u distroyed my mood :(
06:15:03 <rust_collector> any time
06:15:27 <rust_collector> you should tell the wife
06:15:43 <hsn> PsySc0rpi0n, im from middle east nice to meet u .. i've to go my wife only allow me to chat for 20mins daily
06:15:45 <hsn> :D
06:16:22 <hsn> discriminating = having or showing refined taste or good judgement.
06:16:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> good. are those 20 mins over?
06:16:32 <hsn> "he became a discriminating collector and patron of the arts"
06:16:47 <hsn> depends on her movie at netflix PsySc0rpi0n
06:16:58 <hsn> did the netflix movie finish ? then 20min is over
06:18:05 <PsySc0rpi0n> so go to meet her and leave irc
06:18:38 <rust_collector> hsn, what is for dinner?
06:18:50 <hsn> shrimp and rice
06:18:56 <hsn> its
06:18:57 <hsn> wait
06:20:06 <hsn> https://youtu.be/GNRbkghynFU?t=500
06:20:11 <hsn> somthing similar
06:20:58 <rust_collector> ok, I see it mentions squiggle squiggle squiggle squiggle squiggle, so I guess it has that
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06:22:01 <hsn> what is squiggle
06:22:15 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYvIqxXXl4
06:22:19 <rust_collector> it is hard to read
06:22:32 <hsn> netflix finish .. i dissapear at anytime ..
06:22:40 <hsn> my hand on alt+tab
06:22:44 <rust_collector> night
06:22:46 <hsn> :D
06:22:55 <hsn> nah i go work on a pcb so cya
06:23:07 <rust_collector> maybe...we will see
06:23:43 <rust_collector> I just snipped half of a pcb away, and will just hook stuff up with wires. I don't like pcb
06:25:39 * electrohead solders thermal fuses in the shape of a pentagram, and gives it to rust_collector
06:26:02 * rust_collector eats fuse pentagram
06:26:21 <rust_collector> it was a bit hot still
06:26:26 <rust_collector> not bad
06:27:35 <rust_collector> nice crunch
06:28:45 <electrohead> lol
06:29:04 <electrohead> PsySc0rpi0n: what's the problem with the battery?
06:30:09 <PsySc0rpi0n> I tried to change the cells and I screwed up
06:30:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> or at least I think I did
06:30:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> but as I can't measure any voltage on the pins that connets the battery to the laptop
06:30:44 <PsySc0rpi0n> I think this fues might be amaged
06:30:49 <PsySc0rpi0n> damaged*
06:31:20 <PsySc0rpi0n> But there is also another thing I'm sut sure it is supposed to be like that
06:31:58 <PsySc0rpi0n> on the negative terminal of the controller board, there are 2 smd resistors
06:32:06 <PsySc0rpi0n> R02F
06:33:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> and seems that one of the resistors is in short circuit
06:33:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> I tested continuity between that resistor terminals, and multimeter beeped out loud
06:34:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> But I'm removing this golden coat the board has, protecting contacts I guess
06:34:32 <PsySc0rpi0n> and also a white product that covers quite a few components
06:34:43 <PsySc0rpi0n> and this golden coating is hard as hell to remove
06:45:09 <electrohead> so you said you think the fuse is damaged/bad
06:45:16 <electrohead> did you verify if it is or isn't?
07:01:54 <PsySc0rpi0n> electrohead: I tried to measure continuity between the left side leads and the right side lead
07:01:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> and it's off
07:06:47 * rust_collector is wondering how many pieces of wire insulation ends he will find in his coffee
07:31:02 <electrohead> off as in, it's blown, then?
07:31:14 <electrohead> rust_collector: lol
07:37:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> electrohead: I guess so
07:37:35 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm no expert in this matter
07:38:02 * Ampera hugs electrohead
07:38:03 <PsySc0rpi0n> so, I think that if there is no continuity between the leads on one side and the lead on the oposite side, the fuse is open
07:38:26 <Ampera> that tends to be how fuses work
07:39:30 <PsySc0rpi0n> So, I assume this one is open
07:39:45 <PsySc0rpi0n> I think this fuse is a two sensor fuse
07:39:48 <PsySc0rpi0n> for current and temp
07:39:49 <Ampera> if you tested the left side of the fuse with the right
07:39:57 <Ampera> huh?
07:40:08 <PsySc0rpi0n> Ampera: you seen which fuses I'm talking about?
07:40:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> SEFUSE D6X238
07:40:18 <Ampera> no I just entered this convo
07:40:19 <rust_collector> Ampera, it has 3 connections. it is a bit weird
07:40:40 <PsySc0rpi0n> it's a laptop battery controller fuse
07:40:52 <PsySc0rpi0n> http://www.ogatama.com/fc-l.pdf
07:40:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> something like that
07:41:22 <rust_collector> if I got it right, it is a fuse, with a built in remote controlled self destruct function
07:42:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> yeah, maybe something like that
07:42:28 <Ampera> that is one weird fuse
07:42:41 <PsySc0rpi0n> And apparently, it melts down an inner connection, opening the circuit
07:42:53 <Ampera> so the third lead is to blue it like an e-fuse?
07:43:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> you checked the link with the pdf?
07:43:34 <PsySc0rpi0n> It has a diagram
07:43:36 <Ampera> I did
07:43:41 <Ampera> the diagram makes little sense
07:43:42 <rust_collector> I think that is it, Ampera
07:43:51 <PsySc0rpi0n> the blue is a resistance, I guess
07:44:08 <rust_collector> but my brain is not working today
07:44:20 <PsySc0rpi0n> and that resistance is from that inner connection that melts on over current or over temp
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07:44:44 <Ampera> I guess that makes sense, you don't overload whatever is behind the other side
07:45:03 <Ampera> but you said that's in a laptop charge controller?
07:45:06 <Ampera> that's the strangest thing
07:45:11 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes it is
07:46:04 <PsySc0rpi0n> I might replace this fuse and next step is to try to listen what the battery says to the laptop
07:46:26 <PsySc0rpi0n> with a scope
07:46:31 <electrohead> it's a failsafe so the batteries don't explode completely. therefore, did you completely replace the cells?
07:46:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes, I did
07:46:42 <electrohead> the old cells may explain why the fuse is open in the first place
07:46:50 <PsySc0rpi0n> but
07:46:55 * electrohead hugs Ampera
07:47:10 <PsySc0rpi0n> I built a kind of a voltage divider to keep all voltages at the correct values
07:47:21 <PsySc0rpi0n> so that the controller didn't notie I was removing ells
07:47:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> cells
07:47:37 <PsySc0rpi0n> notice*
07:48:12 <PsySc0rpi0n> but I think I also should have removed cells in a certain order and inserted the new ones in reverse order, and I think I forgot this last part
07:49:36 <PsySc0rpi0n> these guys here, scrapped out the surface of the fuse and reconnected the leads back together
07:49:44 <PsySc0rpi0n> but I think in my case, I can't do that
07:49:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.karosium.com/
07:49:51 <electrohead> these fuses make complete sense to me; these are just like surge arrestors for utility poles, in a sense
07:50:17 <electrohead> you should be able to get a replacement online somewhere most likely
07:50:42 <PsySc0rpi0n> yeah, I'll try to find it
07:51:05 <PsySc0rpi0n> What about if I just bypass it while I don't get it ar home?
07:51:21 <PsySc0rpi0n> This may be too much risk or I should be fine?
07:51:49 <electrohead> it's a safety feature for a reason - probably shouldn't bypass it, just in case you do something else wrong, and you then would pray to have that safety feature working :P
07:51:53 <rust_collector> you will probably survive... but I guess there is a reason why the fuse blew?
07:52:09 <PsySc0rpi0n> yes, I know about that
07:52:15 <electrohead> we just had a guy in here yesterday blow his main controller PCB for his washer, because he got a teeny tiny bit careless, heh
07:52:18 <PsySc0rpi0n> There are at least 2 possible reasons
07:52:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> either some temp or current got over
07:53:09 <PsySc0rpi0n> or somehow the controller just blew it due to the fact I screwed while replacing cells
07:53:17 <electrohead> is it possible just to replace the whole battery pack with a new one?
07:53:27 <rust_collector> heh, yes it is
07:53:31 <rust_collector> but
07:53:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> As far as I know these controllers have protective mechanisms
07:53:46 <PsySc0rpi0n> because li-ion cells are quite dangerous
07:53:49 <electrohead> "these controllers have protective mechanisms" == hence why the fuse blew :P
07:53:51 <PsySc0rpi0n> and light up fire easily
07:54:02 <electrohead> so then be smart and don't chance that, my man
07:54:02 <PsySc0rpi0n> and it's a fire that you cannot easily put out with water
07:54:04 <electrohead> lol
07:54:14 <PsySc0rpi0n> no, behond the fuse
07:54:24 <PsySc0rpi0n> I won't
07:54:32 <electrohead> brb, need to check on the food
07:55:18 <PsySc0rpi0n> so these controllers block the charging process when they detect cell voltages too low, below a certain value
07:55:33 <PsySc0rpi0n> because voltages too low might mean cells in short
07:55:45 <PsySc0rpi0n> and charging up cells in short, is dangerous
07:55:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> mainly when we tlak about li-ion cells
07:57:21 <PsySc0rpi0n> electrohead: about buying a new battery pack
07:57:26 <PsySc0rpi0n> yeah, I bought a new one
07:57:36 <PsySc0rpi0n> so the old one is now for learning and experimenting purposes
07:57:38 <PsySc0rpi0n> xD
08:00:00 <electrohead> fair enough :D
08:00:54 <electrohead> most likely, you'll have to replace the fuse, double check your cells, then very careful apply a load to the pack itself, and ramp up slowly to ensure it activates properly
08:01:08 <electrohead> with replacing the cells and the fuse, I wouldn't risk just going all out
08:01:22 <electrohead> for all you know, something else is blown that you don't see, yet
08:01:34 * electrohead offers bacon wrapped chicken to everyone
08:02:07 <PsySc0rpi0n> yeah
08:02:09 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'll do that
08:02:45 <PsySc0rpi0n> The battery has like 2 middle points where voltage is monitored for balancing purposes, I guess
08:03:00 <PsySc0rpi0n> And I think those voltages are as they were before
08:03:13 <PsySc0rpi0n> I mean, before there was a single cell that was damaged
08:03:27 <PsySc0rpi0n> not sure about the others, but I replaed the 8 cells all together
08:03:47 <PsySc0rpi0n> When I did this, like, almost a year back
08:04:08 <PsySc0rpi0n> I even drew a schematic in LTSpice so that I wouldn't forget how the cells were connected
08:05:31 <PsySc0rpi0n> now, the challenge is to find a place where I can buy 2 or 3 of those fuses, in case I mess up with one
08:05:48 <PsySc0rpi0n> but usually, online sites sell these stuff in bulk
08:05:57 <PsySc0rpi0n> like 100 or 500 piecesminimum
08:06:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> and where I live, there are no electronic shops
08:10:52 <electrohead> digikey or mouser come to mind
08:10:55 <electrohead> ebay, too :)
08:11:54 <electrohead> actually, ebay may be your best bet to get only a few, versus 100 or so for bulk pricing
08:16:23 <hsn> hey rust_collector
08:16:29 <hsn> its time
08:17:00 <hsn> so gn
08:17:06 * electrohead waves at hsn
08:17:15 <rust_collector> night hsn
08:17:34 <hsn> 9,1 o/ mr head
08:17:47 <hsn> o/
08:19:12 <rust_collector> oh dang
08:20:19 <rust_collector> I have been frying my brain for 3 hours, trying to put together a simple 317 power supply thing... and I kept getting random results...over and over...
08:20:48 <rust_collector> turns out the fuse holder is a bit flappy, so the fuse is bouncing around
08:27:29 <PsySc0rpi0n> All comes down to fuses today
08:27:30 <PsySc0rpi0n> :p
08:27:43 <rust_collector> ban all fuses!
08:28:19 <rust_collector> meh, a 1/4" bolt seems to fit ok
08:28:30 <Ampera> bolt
08:29:05 <rust_collector> veeri bolt and stronk
08:29:37 <PsySc0rpi0n> the fuses showing up on ebay are not exactly the same model I have here
08:29:45 <PsySc0rpi0n> not sure what would be the differences
08:29:55 <Ampera> bolt
08:30:14 <rust_collector> temps and amps would be different. and physical sizes, I guess
08:30:21 <Ampera> bored
08:31:09 <PsySc0rpi0n> not even in their own site I can find this model
08:31:22 <PsySc0rpi0n> not even supressing the last thre digits
08:31:30 <PsySc0rpi0n> model is SEFUSE D6X238
08:31:48 <PsySc0rpi0n> if I search on their site only by D6X, nothing comes up
08:33:28 <PsySc0rpi0n> or either is was discontinued a long time ago and it's not showing up anymore
08:33:49 <PsySc0rpi0n> or I don't understand how a product don't show up in their site itself
08:34:40 <Ampera> can always email them
08:35:10 <PsySc0rpi0n> already did
08:35:14 <PsySc0rpi0n> I found this
08:35:15 <PsySc0rpi0n> https://www.us.schott.com/d/epackaging/00441af8-bf6c-46a1-8f00-bed656b6040f/1.0/schott-sefuse-d6s-battery-fuses-overview-datasheet-english-10072020.pdf?highlighted_text=sefuse+d6sc
08:35:23 <PsySc0rpi0n> but not sure one replaces the other properly
08:35:27 <PsySc0rpi0n> it says for batteries
08:36:01 <PsySc0rpi0n> but I don't know the old fuse ratings so that I can compare with those in that link
08:36:54 <rust_collector> right
08:43:23 <rust_collector> i think... if I were you, or the other way around... I would jumper the fuse, and see if the controller chip will even let the thing charge or not, before going very deep into finding some obscure part
08:47:10 <PsySc0rpi0n> you mean to shor the leads of the fues?
08:47:16 <PsySc0rpi0n> fuse*
08:47:18 <PsySc0rpi0n> bypass it?
08:47:49 <PsySc0rpi0n> I removed the fuse from the board
08:48:04 <PsySc0rpi0n> I can solder it back if needed to try something more bold
08:49:13 <rust_collector> well, pretty much. or just use a blob of solder, or a wire. but that is just as a test, to see if it is worth tracking down some fuse, ok?
08:50:17 <PsySc0rpi0n> I can try
08:50:56 <PsySc0rpi0n> I'll short both leads from one side to the other
08:54:37 <rust_collector> I am also a complete retard, so you will have to do your own thinking
08:57:22 <PsySc0rpi0n> hehe
08:57:43 <PsySc0rpi0n> You make me think that I'm not the only one always with lack of trust
08:57:55 <PsySc0rpi0n> I mean, I lack the experience of confirming lots of theory
08:58:26 <rust_collector> oh, well, I skipped the theory part. I just do what I think maybe would work
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16:18:30 <hsn> eevblog convert 40 f to c
16:18:30 <EEVBlog> The result is: 4.444 c
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17:53:36 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
18:00:52 <K> hello
18:04:03 <steve30> hello
18:04:03 <EEVBlog> Hello there, steve30!
18:04:05 <steve30> yay
18:04:48 * steve30 curls up on Ysjoelfir's lap
18:05:04 <Ysjoelfir> hello K and steve30 :)
18:05:05 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
18:05:13 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30 and K and the EEVBlog bot
18:05:55 <Ysjoelfir> I bought.... stuff the last days. can someone explain to me why this https://www.ebay.de/itm/250-x-LCD-Display-Innolux-PT035TN01-V-6-TFT-Display-3-5-Konvolut/193681381968 seemed like a great investment for my still not opened online shop?
18:07:37 * steve30 has no idea why Ysjoelfir would buy a load of LCDs
18:07:59 <K> because you have a cunning plan?
18:08:57 <Ysjoelfir> actually no, I haven't. In my mind it sounded like a great idea to stock some cheap LCDs to sell for like 3€ in the shop. would make roughly 100% profit.
18:10:05 <K> 35 eur profit?
18:10:32 <Ysjoelfir> exactly.... for storing a huge bunch of LCDs
18:10:43 <Ysjoelfir> oh wait
18:10:56 <Ysjoelfir> I just noticed... I would make 1000% profit, not 100%
18:11:00 <K> heh
18:11:02 <K> yeah
18:11:05 <K> missing a zero there
18:11:07 <Ysjoelfir> now the numbers sound more reasonable :D
18:12:11 <Ysjoelfir> also I got this: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Horus-Hochfrequenzapparat-Medizintechnik-antik-ca-1928/264871436221
18:12:17 <Ysjoelfir> just purely for fun
18:12:45 <K> um, what is that
18:12:50 <Ysjoelfir> I'm actually mostly interested in that book and see what wankery they advertised that with :D And reading that book it is actually not THAT idiotic
18:13:28 <K> hight-frequency something?
18:13:32 <K> current?
18:13:52 <Ysjoelfir> high frequency therapy device would be the word by word translation
18:14:08 <K> ah.
18:14:12 <K> wankery
18:14:21 <Ysjoelfir> actually not completely
18:14:31 <Ysjoelfir> there are SOME use cases where that indeed works
18:15:38 <Ysjoelfir> A video of a simmilar thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th2GmRHLl5U
18:19:30 <Ysjoelfir> I researched that technology. there are many use cases, but definitely not all they advertised in that booklet. though I have to say that this book is realy well written and doesn't exagerate the effects. its more like.... you have to understand that it was written in 1928 and that the effects of electric currents to the human body weren't completely understood yet. so it talks about "revitalising the juices" and stuff like that, but while
18:19:31 <Ysjoelfir> it doesn't understand that its not "about the juices" but more about muscles that get forced to move in slight movements to release stress and pain, UV exposure to kill germs and just the warmth that is created by the currents flowing which make you feel good, it also says explicitly that it is NOT a cure all device, but more something to help to reduce symptoms which might be stressfull, which in turn could help your body to heal itself
18:19:31 <Ysjoelfir> when getting relief.
18:20:23 <Ysjoelfir> its actually pretty fascinating. and such things are still a thing nowadays, just not with a coil and spark gap and such things to create the HF currents.
18:21:02 <K> well, i've heard/read someting about using hf to heat some tissue
18:21:11 <K> like from inside, like microwave does
18:21:34 <K> but isn't this diffrent?
18:21:52 <Ysjoelfir> it is. but the effect is simmilar (and this one does more than just heating).
18:22:23 <K> oh well.
18:23:04 <Ysjoelfir> I actually got one of those microwave therapy thingies after I had a car accident which busted my knee. it realy helped to remove the stress.
18:23:12 <K> until you start shoving it up anywher, it rpolly is quite harmless
18:23:50 <Ysjoelfir> there is actually a probe that is meant to treat the prostate :X so.... you can immagine what you would do with that
18:24:00 <K> ugh
18:24:11 <K> no, i dont need that image in my head
18:24:14 <Ysjoelfir> xD
18:24:18 <Ysjoelfir> sparky sparky!
18:25:58 <Ysjoelfir> they advertised such devices for all sort of use cases. there were probes for ears, for the nose, for the eyes (yay, UV exposure directly on the eyes!), for the tongue, a comb probe, a probe shaped to wrap around your leg and so many other things
18:30:49 * steve30 connects T3sl4 up to Ysjoelfir
18:31:07 * T3sl4 accidentally electrocutes steve30 in the process
18:31:09 * Ysjoelfir sticks a probe into T3sl4 and watches him spark
18:31:10 <T3sl4> hrm
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18:35:07 <K> electro-cute
18:35:25 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute :D
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19:26:17 <clarkos> K: reminds me of electroboom
19:26:34 <Ysjoelfir> FULL BRIDGE RECTUMFRYER!
19:29:36 <clarkos> FULLLLLLLLLL FRIDGE RECTIFIER!!!
19:29:41 <clarkos> Bridge* lol
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20:06:54 <rust_collector> mornings
20:07:31 <steve30> hello
20:09:50 <rust_collector> hi mr steve. is it a good day over there?
20:10:12 <steve30> I successfully got shopping, so I guess so
20:10:53 <rust_collector> ah, good
20:12:11 <rust_collector> hehe, it sounds like you have to go thru the desert, and fight gang members trying to keep you out of the store
20:12:32 <rust_collector> but today you won
20:13:48 <steve30> sometimes it feels like that
20:23:16 <rust_collector> mominlaw is coming to pick up a uhm fold out sofe-bed thing. I did not plan on being awake yet. But it is a nice day outside. it looks like summer is back. I guess I will try some coffee, and see if it will be a good day or not
20:24:37 <steve30> I'm off to bed soon
20:31:25 <rust_collector> I will be too, in around 14 hours. Maybe I will finish assembling the little "battery eliminator" power supply thing that I sort of fixed last night. That thing broke my brain a little bit. It is an 8 to 16 volt thing. 1.6 to 2A but it was pretty well blown up, so I replaced all the stuff in it with a 317. It used a chip that as far as I can see is an alternative to the 723, which seems like a bit much for a device like this. But
20:31:25 <rust_collector> got all sorts of weird output from it, and some times nothing at all (after putting the 317 in there) it turns out the fuse holder was a bit loose, so the fuse was bouncing around. that was fun. And after that was fixed, it started at 1.25-ish volts, and went up to.... 4.8, lol
20:32:30 <rust_collector> oh well. there was a part of the old pcb that I used that had a pair of resistors on it, which did interesting things.
20:32:49 <Ysjoelfir> Good lunsj rusty :)
20:33:06 <rust_collector> lunsj? it is not even breakfast yet!
20:34:02 <Ysjoelfir> is it not?
20:34:16 <rust_collector> no, not that I have noticed
20:34:18 <Ysjoelfir> I already had mine, which consisted of a cup of turkish apple tea
20:34:26 <rust_collector> hmm
20:34:48 <rust_collector> I have had 1.3 cups of coffee. I will start functioning any time now
20:36:01 <Ysjoelfir> A workmate decided to open ALL the windows on both sides of the building while its damn windy, and then fled out of the room. Papers are flying EVERYWHERE
20:36:17 <rust_collector> WHEEEE!
20:36:37 <Ysjoelfir> wheee indeed :D
20:37:39 <Ysjoelfir> now he came back in, looked at the mess, grabbed his cup and went away again
20:38:01 <rust_collector> I like that guy
20:38:29 <Ysjoelfir> I don't. he's an ass. the not likeable kind of ass
20:38:43 <rust_collector> hmm. well,
20:39:01 <Ysjoelfir> like if he sees you approaching a door he just went through he looks into your eyes and just closes it in front of you
20:39:08 <rust_collector> but I like how he saw that "this is a mess, it will still be a mess when I get back"
20:39:14 <rust_collector> hah
20:39:47 <Ysjoelfir> in that case it most probably was "oh, something happened. not my business, I am not responsible for that"
20:40:14 <rust_collector> is he one of those people that are really great at that one thing, so they keep him around, or us he just an ass all the time
20:40:59 <Ysjoelfir> it is said that he is the one thats realy great at this one thing nobody else wants to do, but most of the time he just wanders around with his cup of coffee, doing nothing
20:46:17 <Ysjoelfir> like, seriously, his daily routine is roughly: Arrive at 11:30 without greeting anyone but staring at everybody while walking by. slamming his suitcase onto the desk, unpacking shit for like 15 minutes. log into his mobile phone which is always as loud as it can be. walk slowly to the toilet while dragging your feet over the carpet so that everyone gets maximum annoyance. half an hour later, return to your pc. grab coffee pot. go to kitchen
20:46:17 <Ysjoelfir> in the upper corridor, get a cup of coffee. walk with that cup of coffee to the lower floors kitchen to get some frothed milk (he just walked by with his cup of coffee + milk in this very second.), using the exactly same milk frothing device and the exact same milk we have in the upper floor kitchen, too. walk back to the upper floor kitchen to get some cocoa powder (which is also available on the lower floor kitchen). walk back to PC. sit
20:46:18 <Ysjoelfir> down, drink coffee slowly for roughly 15 minutes. get back up, make noises while searching for an apple in the suitcase. walk to the kitchen. walk back, get a knife. bring that to the kitchen. walk back, grab a plate, go back to kitchen. cut the apple SLOOOOOOOOOOWLY into slices while spreading apple debree (seeds, juice, parts of skin) all around the counter and leaving it there. walk back to PC. eat the apple. walk back to the kitchen.
20:46:18 <Ysjoelfir> put plate and knife into sink. go back to PC and wait for somebody to wash up the plate and knife. now it would roughly be lunch break.
20:50:25 <rust_collector> at least he has a plan, and follow thru with it, lol
20:51:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats true. but he's still an annoying person :P
20:51:29 <K> sounds like an ass
20:51:58 <rust_collector> You should follow that guy home some time. he will probably go to the greatest rave party and be full of fun, on weekends
20:51:59 <K> is he a nephew of the owner or something?
20:52:17 <K> over here constantly leaving a mess in the kitchen will get you kicked out
20:52:36 <Ysjoelfir> He does free climbing on the weekens, which might be considered full of fun for some people?
20:52:49 <Ysjoelfir> No, he is just a PhD of Physics. nothing more.
20:52:59 <Ysjoelfir> also, mr boss doesn't care
20:53:03 <K> meh
20:53:07 <K> weak.
20:53:14 <Ysjoelfir> he is a very weak mr. boss indeed
20:55:51 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/HCl4IL9
20:56:25 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should put some banana jacks and one of those little voltmeter things on it
20:57:38 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why not? :)
20:58:09 <rust_collector> it is big and bulky, for what it has inside, but it is still sort of compact-ish.
20:58:58 <Ysjoelfir> I still like the.... the... Nordmende? PSU I have. thats also very compact but well built
20:59:09 <rust_collector> hmm, ok?
20:59:17 <rust_collector> I need pics some time
20:59:27 <Ysjoelfir> when I'm home and remember that I'll take a pic for you :)
21:02:09 <rust_collector> I added one pic to that. there is really not much in there
21:02:30 <Ysjoelfir> thats indeed not much
21:02:35 <Ysjoelfir> but it has a shiny golden heatsink!
21:02:41 <rust_collector> yeeeesssss
21:04:06 <rust_collector> we used one of these to run a small radio, that used to sit in the livingroom window
21:05:30 <Ysjoelfir> I had a setup like that for quite some time in the hobby room lab thing.
21:05:35 <Ysjoelfir> worked pretty nice
21:05:58 <rust_collector> I like how the pcb slots in to a track on the front panel, and it sits in that random angle, but the pot was soldered in a bit at an angle to compensate
21:06:28 <rust_collector> I guess it has its place. it is probably not for everything
21:06:40 <Ysjoelfir> you have to be creative when your transformer turns out bigger than you thought :P
21:08:15 <rust_collector> When I look at that transformer... the secondary windings are pretty beefy. but the entire thing is pretty small. i feel it will take a bit of current for a little bit of time.
21:09:23 <rust_collector> the same factory made a little "lab power" sort of thing too... let me see. I like the way they look, and they are pretty simple inside, but they are not the greatest devices
21:10:02 <rust_collector> http://www.rigpix.com/psu/mascot_719.htm
21:10:47 <rust_collector> that is the older version, there is a newer version of that, that looks more... retro.modern, lol
21:11:18 <rust_collector> https://www.elfadistrelec.no/en/bench-top-power-supply-15v-2a-45w-adjustable-mascot-mascot-719/p/16984306
21:13:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty expensive for what it is :D
21:13:52 <rust_collector> very
21:14:28 <rust_collector> but they are also sort of compact, and I like that look.
21:14:47 <rust_collector> not really worth buying at normal prices
21:15:02 <rust_collector> you get them used for 1000+
21:15:10 <rust_collector> which is still a bit much, really
21:16:26 <Ysjoelfir> it is, yes. I got my TTI dual PSU for that price. :)
21:17:56 <rust_collector> I think people up here believe they are some kind of super-ultra devices. probably because everyone used to have a mascot brand 140 amp supply running their transistor radio, which used about 6 watts
21:18:05 <rust_collector> and that did last almost forever
21:18:08 <NeroTHz> monin
21:18:30 <rust_collector> hey NeroTHz
21:20:51 <rust_collector> so, the local dump is closed this week. and the other dumps around here is also closed this week... for "maintenance"
21:22:10 <Ysjoelfir> hi NeroTHz
21:22:31 <Ysjoelfir> at least you HAVE dumps :P
21:24:18 <rust_collector> I wonder what they will maintain there. it is just a tall ramp sort of thing, where they have containers parked, so you go up there and throw stuff in...
21:24:52 <rust_collector> oh, and yes, they get annoyed if you say dump, as they are a "recycling station"
21:26:44 <Ysjoelfir> oh, yes. and they will hit you if you dare to even try to get something valueable out of their "recycling" containers
21:26:56 <Ysjoelfir> also - lunch break!
21:27:15 <rust_collector> have... lunch
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21:31:03 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just thought of a cool project. An on-screen measurement ruler for my Tagarno, that changed scale with the actual zoom level. But would be infinitely easier to just buy a microscope calibration chart and shove it in the field of view when needed.
21:48:32 <NeroTHz> Things I don´t like about Outlook when compared to Thunderbird: 1) sometimes outlook seems to not want to mark messages as read even though I clicked them. 2) it´s harder to see what I responded to someones email (I don´t actually know if the way my thunderbird client used to handle this was default behavoir or a plug-in though)
21:49:28 <NeroTHz> and it does that fucking anoying thing all office programs do where the default ¨paste¨ behavior is to maintain source formatting which is just stupid because I cannot remember a signle occasion where I desired the formatting to be preserved instead of taking the formating of the document/thing I´m pasting text into
21:49:35 <rust_collector> well, you could do it the way proper office people do it, and open your mail in powerpoint...
21:52:39 <Ysjoelfir> re with nice breadrolls and.... erm... "blood sausage", no idea how thats called in english
21:53:04 <NeroTHz> bloodsausage is indeed a thing
21:53:25 <Ysjoelfir> I know, I'm close to eating it :P I just donÄt know the english term^^
21:54:07 <rust_collector> it is called bloodsausage, or other local names
21:54:15 <Ysjoelfir> oh
21:54:20 <Ysjoelfir> thats... to easy
21:54:41 <rust_collector> let us never use that again
21:55:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
21:58:17 <rust_collector> I am annoyed that I can not go to the dump. I filled the wifemobile with old cardboard before it started raining
21:58:29 <NeroTHz> they don´t pick up cardboard ther?
21:58:43 <rust_collector> they do, but not a minivan full
21:59:03 <NeroTHz> here you can just put out however much you want
21:59:49 <rust_collector> yeah, it depends on what council you are in. not too far from here, you can dump stuff on the curb, and they will pick it up. i think once a month
22:00:23 <rust_collector> here, you have to put it in the mini roller bin things
22:00:42 <rust_collector> or go to the dump, which is fine, as it is a few minutes away
22:05:28 <rust_collector> so yes, as much as you can fit in the bin.
22:05:51 <rust_collector> maybe I should steal a larger bin at work, for the week
22:07:03 <rust_collector> I think the thing is that the garbage truck has a lift thing, that you hook the bins to, so as long as you can do that, they will probably take whatever they can get on the lift
22:07:28 <Ysjoelfir> I like those self compacting bins.
22:07:42 <Ysjoelfir> Seems like a good solution to not have to go pick shit up that often
22:08:56 <rust_collector> the guy who pics up the stuff here does not like it when I do a manual "stomp stuff into the bin" because he will be there for some time trying to get it out
22:09:49 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
22:13:52 <rust_collector> I have thought about making a "press chamber" for the hydraulic press, and make cardboard cubes, that fit in the bin
22:15:56 <Ysjoelfir> I thought about the same but for bottles. I hate that I have to collect those and bring them to the shop to get back the 25 cents -.-
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22:24:37 <electrohead> rust_collector: you must.. deal with it
22:24:41 <electrohead> lol
22:24:43 <electrohead> o/
22:25:00 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. head
22:25:48 <electrohead> hello
22:25:48 <EEVBlog> Hello there, electrohead!
22:25:49 <NeroTHz> fck me the amount of paperwork I have to fill out to go to a conference
22:26:18 <Ysjoelfir> no thanks NeroTHz, but I'm sure Halcyon would love to do that :)
22:26:31 <Ysjoelfir> The fucking part I mean, not the paperwork.
22:26:39 <NeroTHz> hehehe
22:26:48 <electrohead> lmao
22:26:59 <electrohead> morning, y'all
22:27:12 <Ysjoelfir> Good afterlunch mr head :) I hope you slept well
22:30:05 <electrohead> ehh
22:30:09 <electrohead> slept like shit to be honest
22:30:15 <electrohead> it happens, though
22:30:18 <electrohead> :p
22:30:58 <Ysjoelfir> I still wonder if a simple PHP website would be better for me. I always struggle with those cms things which have just to many "features" I neither need nor want. Right now I have this: http://www.pdi.engineering and I wonder if something like this https://geoffg.net would be more than enough. I mean.. I'm sure it IS enough. But I wonder if its worth the hassle to learn programming. (Making a webdesign would be cool though, even though the
22:30:58 <Ysjoelfir> last one I did was 15 years ago...)
22:31:17 <Ysjoelfir> well, then retry it this evening and I wish you better luck this time :P
22:33:44 <rust_collector> that would be more than enough. Web stuff now is just stupid
22:34:17 <Ysjoelfir> I remember my old website. still have the .psd file of it xD https://drive.google.com/file/d/17y5BOfBRlcdUmDeNrCN2PjOn_sDQvCkB/view?usp=sharing
22:34:26 <Ysjoelfir> don't be to hard, I was 14 back then :P
22:35:13 <rust_collector> mwh, what would be wrong with that?
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22:35:56 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno? I would make it a bit more fit to the topic though. I mean, that one worked great for the webdesign thing, but I expect it to be not ideal for electronics ;)
22:37:38 <rust_collector> just do not have a pic of some pcb as the background picture....
22:38:32 <Ysjoelfir> no thanks, don't want that. :P thats one thing I hate about that CMS I'm using now - WHY is the header so freakishly huge?
22:39:55 <Ysjoelfir> also I can't find a way to at least fix the position of the text. for my resolution the title is centered in that QFP footprint. but with other resolutions it is just at some random position.
22:40:13 <Ysjoelfir> wouldn't be a problem with a static html website
22:40:39 <rust_collector> right. simple is good.
22:41:27 <Ysjoelfir> which would also not be "responsive", but... I hate this responsive shit anyways. websites on phones that "respond" to being displayed on a phone always seem to be missing some stuff. like the CMS I'm using right now - when displaying on my phone the menu is gonesky. what value does that have?
22:41:59 <rust_collector> test your stuff in links or lynx, or elinks, or dillo, and it should look good anywhere
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22:42:57 <Ysjoelfir> Sure. I personally don't have a problem with static sites. but many have, or so it seems, when you see all those people saying that you need responsive designs and shit
22:43:09 <Ysjoelfir> I also prefer to just zoom into a website I display on my phone.
22:44:02 <Ysjoelfir> like EEVBlog - when I open the forums on my phone the first thing I do is switching to the desktop version, as the mobile one is just ugly and not pleasant to use
22:44:05 <rust_collector> only those who get paid to add crap to your site wants that
22:44:17 <Ysjoelfir> you think so?
22:45:09 <rust_collector> i think most people woudl be fine with a simple site that "just works" and is easy to use. adding all kinds of effects and stuff does not really add much value
22:45:55 <Watcher> and it must by intutive
22:46:11 <Ysjoelfir> I agree. but I'm kinda scared at the same time :D
22:47:16 <rust_collector> You do not have to make it as ugly as possible, but it does not need to have moving things, and a window with "missing flashplayer plugin" on it, and when you install flash, it starts to autoplay some really loud video about the history of your pet bicycle
22:47:32 <Ysjoelfir> I hate those
22:50:35 <electrohead> "I still wonder if a simple PHP website would be better for me" :: well, that's what I ended up doing for my site
22:50:52 <Ysjoelfir> I know :P
22:51:01 <electrohead> it works :P
22:51:24 <Ysjoelfir> But did you go through the efforts of trying various CMS' before and getting confused because you thought you HAVE to use that stuff?
22:51:32 <rust_collector> even my site works...
22:51:40 <electrohead> No, I didn't ;o
22:52:12 <electrohead> it's just a pain of trying to use CMS and friends; first off, you have to pick which one you want to use, because they all look different
22:52:52 <electrohead> second, the security aspect of things; wordpress and joomla are the first two CMS that pop up in my head, and both have had very many security vulnerabilities
22:53:19 * Ysjoelfir has used joomla and wordpress for quite some time
22:53:30 * Ysjoelfir had a joomla website that got hacked back then
22:53:35 <electrohead> ouch
22:53:44 <electrohead> yeah, exactly why I stay away from that, lol
22:54:04 <Ysjoelfir> and my ISP didn't have backups, despite little 16yo me paying for it :D
22:54:25 <electrohead> I made my site from scratch. started with <html><head><title>bla</title></head><body> bla bla </body></html>
22:54:40 <hsn> holy cow
22:54:47 <K> i'd suggest not mucking around and take a look at either wordpress.com or squarespace
22:54:56 <hsn> i just DD commanded 1TB hdd to a 2TB one ..
22:55:01 <electrohead> and just worked my way up from that
22:55:06 <rust_collector> talking about that. I had a windows 7 laptop outside. and while running updates, it said "üH üH" up in the corner. I can not say I have seen that before
22:55:10 <hsn> cloned the content and winddows worked :)
22:55:31 <electrohead> yay :) did you properly expand the partition, or does windows do that automagically nowadays?
22:55:34 <hsn> i hope no more beeps
22:55:48 <hsn> no i think i need to go to linux and use gparted
22:55:51 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I think I would do, too. but just a LITTLE more elaborate. I want a static sidebar which changes the content on a "frame". but without using iframes, IIRC thats not a good thing to do anymore :P
22:55:58 <hsn> bcz i dont know what it has in windows
22:56:10 <Ysjoelfir> K - have used wordpress.com for some time, too. in fact, my website should still be existing
22:56:19 <Ysjoelfir> but its also way to much hassle for what I need xD
22:56:36 <Ysjoelfir> hah, yep, still exists. https://pimok.wordpress.com
22:56:39 <hsn> use wordpress but i think with a plugin called elemenator
22:56:49 <electrohead> in linux, you should be able to use growpart or whatever the command is
22:57:20 <rust_collector> you can just do it in a running windows, it is fine
22:57:29 <hsn> electrohead, i got actually (linux + windows + grub bootloader) .. so i can easily do this with gparted i think ?
22:57:50 <electrohead> you definitely could, gparted is just the easy way out :P
22:58:00 <rust_collector> sure you can
22:58:04 <K> you do not want to host your own server/php
22:58:08 <hsn> idkk what tool windows provide for that actually .. i dont want to test new tool and get surprises ?
22:58:36 <Ysjoelfir> K - no. I let my ISP do that.
22:58:44 <K> no, not isp
22:58:47 <K> isps are dubmasses
22:58:58 <hsn> i use VPS from namecheap
22:59:00 <rust_collector> diskpart, I think it was. but just use gparted
22:59:05 <hsn> /whois hsn
22:59:15 <Ysjoelfir> well ok, not ISP. lets call it... a company who specialises in reselling webspace
22:59:21 <Ysjoelfir> *selling
22:59:28 <Ysjoelfir> and hosting VServers and stuff
22:59:38 <K> do you want to administer the server yourself?
22:59:44 <electrohead> hosting your own VPS is the best way to go. K - why are you saying not to do that?
22:59:44 <Ysjoelfir> no.
22:59:45 <K> instal update and whatnot
22:59:51 <Ysjoelfir> they do that for me
23:00:09 <rust_collector> why don't you use "the positive internet company" in england-land
23:00:16 <K> you want to have a website and put shit onto it, not wrangle with css js and php and server packages
23:00:35 <hsn> nothing beats seventransistorslab .com
23:00:41 <electrohead> that's part of it, though. this is just like having a car, but not wanting to work on it yourself
23:00:56 <Ysjoelfir> I use the serverprofis in tysklandland, rusty :P
23:01:04 <rust_collector> weirdo
23:01:06 <hsn> it uses <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
23:01:08 <K> the surface is immensly huge for do-it-yourself web
23:01:28 <electrohead> here
23:01:31 <electrohead> https://www.vultr.com/
23:01:41 <electrohead> I don't pay a lot in terms of traffic, whatsoever
23:01:59 <hsn> electrohead, thats cheap ?
23:02:02 <rust_collector> richard stallman has his site there, and they did think about enabling nonfree on his install. so it is a good company
23:02:03 <electrohead> and a plus side, they have an API that lets you spin up and spin down a VPS in no time
23:02:47 <K> that is nice yes, but does Ysjoelfir want to learn all that?
23:03:05 <rust_collector> yes he does. but he does not have time to
23:03:08 <hsn> i dont understand pricing of the cloud tbh
23:03:23 <rust_collector> ok, brake lining time! have fun
23:03:39 <hsn> ok i need to do restart and remove the old 1TB hdd .. see u guys ..
23:03:48 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
23:04:08 <hsn> its fcking not beeping right now .. maybe it knows its about getting kicked from the pc !!
23:04:26 <hsn> mother bitch
23:05:37 <NeroTHz> another thing I really dislike about MS office is how it doesn´t use (or at least requires effort to switch to) the standard explorer browser for saving files
23:08:55 <electrohead> NeroTHz: have you heard of libreoffice?
23:10:40 <electrohead> https://www.libreoffice.org/
23:11:05 <electrohead> you don't need to pay for it, and it's on par with MS office
23:11:27 <electrohead> cross compatible with the file formats, as well
23:13:13 <Ysjoelfir> sorry, had a call :D K: You are absolutely right, I... well, actually rusty is right. I would indeed like to learn it, but I don't have the time to do that or better, I want to spend it on other things. So a full self configured server like electrohead suggests is not the right thing for me (at least not right now). which is why I use NordVPN, a service which... erm... no wait, this is not a youtube video.... :P
23:13:29 <electrohead> lol
23:13:41 <electrohead> and that's a VPN, not a VPS :P
23:13:50 <electrohead> I do understand though, it's a bit much to learn
23:14:23 <Ysjoelfir> but to be serious: Which is why I use a simple old webhosting package with some gigabyte webspace and unlimited traffic. it offers me SOME finctionality, like specifying cronjobs and stuff, changing PHP versions and features, managing TLS/SSL,..., but doesn't need the whole management stuff I would have on a "real" server
23:18:18 <Ysjoelfir> it has actually way more features in the cpanel than I am familiar with
23:19:57 <NeroTHz> electrohead, libreoffice is ont an alternative since I´ semi-forced to use full office for a lot of work here. Also, unless libreoffice got their act together, it´s still a far bgiger pain to work with than proper office
23:20:23 <Ysjoelfir> it offers me mySQL databases, mail accounts for my domains, subdomains, cronjobs, and then so much stuff I have never heard off or are absolutely not familiar with. like ssh access, API tokens, Cloudflare, PHP Pear packages, PERL modules, MIME types... so much stuff I have no idea what it is or does :P
23:20:53 * Ysjoelfir agrees with NeroTHz here
23:20:57 <Ysjoelfir> though:
23:21:07 * Ysjoelfir also hates what NeroTHz hates about office. its a PITA
23:22:03 <electrohead> NeroTHz: fair enough. so far, libreoffice hasn't let me down for anything I've been trying to use it for
23:22:29 <electrohead> but, there will probably be one day where it will give me issues
23:22:35 * electrohead patiently waits for that to happen
23:23:24 <K> google docs is fine for my needs of document processing
23:23:50 * Ampera hugs electrohead
23:25:02 * electrohead hugs Ampera
23:25:34 <Ampera> how do friend
23:25:42 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Ampera
23:25:54 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
23:28:07 <NeroTHz> I actually odn´t use office that often, only when colleagues use office and thus by-proxy make me also use it for that document/slide-deck etc.
23:28:24 <NeroTHz> my go-to is Adobe
23:31:12 <Ampera> My job thankfully doesn't require much formatted documentation. If I write docs, text files, or a wiki entry are always fine
23:32:19 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, but would change the "always" to "most of the time"
23:32:43 <Ysjoelfir> if i need a more formatted thing I prefer MS office. don't like lAtEx
23:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> many workmates love it though
23:33:24 <Ampera> you inverted the capitalization on LaTeX
23:33:33 <Ampera> I've never used TeX, so I have no clue what it's like
23:33:49 <Ampera> If I need a formatted document, LibreOffice is good enough, but I don't like it
23:33:49 <Ysjoelfir> I would never do that on purpose :P
23:34:23 <Ampera> For as high profile of an application as Libreoffice is, it has terrible stability issues, and is really not fun to use
23:34:39 <Ampera> it's huge too, for what should be a simple office suite
23:34:45 <Ysjoelfir> I have written many documents in lAtEx, but its... a bit of a PITA if you don't use it on a daily basis as you have to constantly look up how to do even simple stuff like sub or superscript
23:35:19 <Ysjoelfir> I tried libre, didn't like it, never bothered as my good old MS office 2003 (retail!) works great and flawless
23:35:28 * Ampera smashes Ysjoelfir in the face with a shift register
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23:36:09 * Ysjoelfir wonders if its a 74595
23:38:59 <electrohead> lol
23:39:22 <electrohead> Ampera, it's going, yourself?
23:39:54 <Ampera> blech
23:39:58 <Ampera> still alive, unfortunately
23:40:13 <hsn> if the new HDD beeped .. this means its the sata port of motherboard / or cable ?
23:40:36 <Ampera> your hard drive, beeped?
23:40:52 <hsn> well ... last few days it was crazy
23:41:09 <hsn> and i was thinking its the motherboard all the time so pluging and unpluging the drams
23:41:14 <hsn> rams
23:41:56 <hsn> Ampera, so today i took another one .. and (DD command both of them) ..
23:42:35 <hsn> from sata of CD/rom .. now i unplugged the old HDD and connected new one .. same cable / port
23:43:12 <Ampera> I don't even use SATA on my PC
23:43:40 <hsn> u use fiber or 5g ?
23:43:58 <hsn> pata ? :D
23:44:31 <Ampera> NVMe
23:45:49 <hsn> ok i never mind as u requested
23:46:04 <Ampera> I request nothing but your first born
23:46:38 * hsn couldnt parse that
23:47:01 <hsn> eevblog convert haha 1 s
23:47:01 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
23:47:10 <hsn> eevblog convert 1 haha to s
23:47:10 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
23:47:15 <hsn> eevblog convert 1# haha to s
23:47:15 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
23:47:21 <hsn> where is the parse msg
23:47:35 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1... s to s
23:47:35 <hsn> eevblog convert 5g to 4g
23:47:35 <EEVBlog> I wasn't able to parse that correctly, please see EEVBlog Help for more details
23:47:45 <hsn> eevblog convert 5g to 4g
23:47:45 <EEVBlog> I wasn't able to parse that correctly, please see EEVBlog Help for more details
23:48:04 <Ampera> eevblog convert 5g to g
23:48:05 <EEVBlog> The result is: 5 g
23:48:43 <hsn> eevblog convert black coffee to lattee
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