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44:00 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
44:16 <rust_collector> hi Nothing\
44:20 <Nothing\> heya
44:21 <electrohead> hey Nothing\
44:26 * electrohead pokes rust_collector
44:34 <Nothing\> and hey to you as well electrohead
44:47 <rust_collector> mppff
44:57 <rust_collector> hi mr head
45:00 <Nothing\> heh i found a site with a list of every case ever tried at the international court of justice at The Hague
45:06 <Nothing\> it's pretty interesting
45:07 <electrohead> how y'all doing?
45:10 <Nothing\> and petty
45:16 <Nothing\> lots of petty shit
45:29 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright
45:34 <Nothing\> i'd be better if i could eat
45:43 * electrohead offers food
45:51 <Nothing\> but i'm in one of those moods where i'm hungry, but everything i try to eat just comes off as being disgusting
46:05 <rust_collector> over here, it is raining, but the sun is up and pretty bright. the colours are great
46:23 <Nothing\> that sorta weather makes for great sunrises/sets
46:46 <electrohead> I have bacon wrapped chicken in the fridge, does that sound appealing at all? lol
46:52 <Nothing\> lol for some reason i was thumbing through the russian federation criminal code last night
47:07 <Nothing\> electrohead, actually no... scallops would be nice though
47:10 <rust_collector> with the trees going wellow and orange, there is a lot of colour to look at
47:18 <electrohead> rust_collector: it's sunny out as of right now, hopefully it stays this way, and gets warmer
47:46 <rust_collector> 12c here. it seems to be the new standard temp
48:16 <electrohead> 13.8 here in the shade
48:26 <electrohead> direct sun, 16
48:36 <electrohead> (yes, I have two sensor setups, lol)
48:43 <Nothing\> aww poo
48:53 <Nothing\> this old radio i got from my uncle's stuff is too new
48:58 <Nothing\> it doesn't have a variable cap in it
49:02 <electrohead> just a simple temp/humidity in the back alley, but then a decent acurite weather station out on the porch railing
49:09 <Nothing\> like, one of those big ones with the metal fins that line up
49:15 <Nothing\> i'd looooove to have one of those
49:28 * electrohead buys one on ebay and sends it to you :P
49:31 <Nothing\> it certainly has a weired mechanism for tuning it though
49:41 <Nothing\> electrohead, i looked on aliexpress and they were fairly pricy
49:47 <Nothing\> like ~$50
50:07 <Nothing\> i'd like to get an autotransformer or soldering station for my next piece of equipment
50:34 <Nothing\> my hackjob wiring a wallwart style step down transformer probably almost started a fire
50:35 <electrohead> just don't go too cheap with the soldering station, or you'll be buying a new one by next year
50:45 <Nothing\> it's weird, i dunno how it sparked but it did
50:51 <electrohead> err, well, if you use it a lot
50:55 <electrohead> what did you do? lol
51:28 <Nothing\> the way i wired the output, i offset the length of each stripped wire so the stripped parts were nowhere near eachother
51:52 <Nothing\> then just hand spliced the connections into alligator clips
52:20 <Nothing\> and wrapped each individual connection with electrical tape, then wrapped the whole lot with electrical tape to make a nice little package
52:36 <Nothing\> but then when i used it, it was sparking inside that tape bright enough for me to see it through the tape
53:19 <electrohead> electrical tape?
53:23 <Nothing\> off the top of my head just now i was thinking maybe the lack of any solder or proper crimping caused too much resistance, but i wasn't loading it that much
53:24 * electrohead sends you heat shrink
53:35 <electrohead> oh oh, you didn't solder anything?
53:42 <Nothing\> lol no
53:49 * electrohead bops you on the head
53:49 <Nothing\> i just twisted bare wires together as tightly as i could
54:00 <electrohead> get a soldering station ASAP :P
54:03 <Nothing\> which i figured would be fine since i wouldn't need more than 100ma out of it anyways
54:09 <Nothing\> at 16vrms
54:20 <Nothing\> electrohead, lol that's what i keep telling myself
55:18 <electrohead> get one with hot air built in
55:24 <Nothing\> i have like 3 of those $20 things but they don't get hot enough or something, the solder doesn't melt properly, the flux in the solder's core comes out in great puddles, the iron itself, everything metal on it besides the tip oxidizes to the point of being black and blue after like 5 minutes of use
55:28 <electrohead> you'll thank yourself sometime in the future
55:32 <Nothing\> nevermind no ground connection on said iron
55:47 <Nothing\> or even polarization
55:51 <Nothing\> CS my ass
55:54 <Nothing\> er CE
56:18 <Nothing\> the chinese have pretty much made the CE logo meaningless to me
56:37 <Nothing\> along with making me wonder about the authenticity of every chip i have
56:37 <rust_collector> Nothing\, I still have to suggest that you get a roll of solder that is for electronics. just to be sure what exactly you are using
57:01 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure the TI logo isn't a picture of the USA with TI embedded in it, which is what's on my 74HC595s
57:47 <Nothing\> lol one company sent me some damn HCT hex buffers when i ordered... oh i forget what it was, but they wanted a fucking picture for proof so i could get my refund
58:13 <Nothing\> ever try taking a picture of the part number on a DIP16 package with a cell phone? bloody impossible and those bastards knew it
58:16 <electrohead> I try my hardest to go through mouser or digikey anymore for components, so many fakes out there anymore
58:50 <Nothing\> yeah i'd like to, but i mean i can't resist those $1 or $2 packs of 10 logic chips or other active part
59:18 <Nothing\> except those 74 series ALUs, adders, and digital comparators for some reason
59:28 <Nothing\> those were like $20+ for packs of 5 or 10
59:47 <Nothing\> guess they're popular for breadboard computers
00:17 <Nothing\> which is what i'd like to make at some point
00:27 <electrohead> my laundry needs to hurry the fuck up, I have to get ready for work soon
00:29 <Nothing\> except buying my boards on aliexpress, only maybe 1 in 3 actually fit together
01:02 <Nothing\> i never understood the aversion to laundry
01:06 <electrohead> try to stay away from aliexpress, if possible
01:12 <Nothing\> i'm averse to putting it away, but actually doing it isn't that bad
01:37 <Nothing\> i mean what's there to it? you throw your clothes in, throw in the detergent, turn a dial, then press a button.
03:17 <Nothing\> wow apparently my brother took his computer into this really shady guy i already warned him about cuz the guy screwed me
03:26 <Nothing\> just for some sort of repair work
03:42 <Nothing\> but the guy deleted all of his movies and games and shows etc for copyright reasons
03:59 <Nothing\> wtf computer repair guy does that? i'd slap him up side the head
04:17 <electrohead> did you report him? that's criminal
04:35 <Nothing\> well, it's my brother's computer but he should
05:03 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
05:24 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
05:42 <Nothing\> electrohead, he's the same guy who sold me a computer with a gtx730 in it and tried to tell me it was a $300 video card
05:51 <Nothing\> when i checked, the MSRP on release was like $120
06:06 <Nothing\> and the optical drive wasn't even connected on the computer
06:24 <Nothing\> plus i asked for one i could upgrade easily, so he gives me a socket where the CPU is soldered to the MOBO
06:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, computertard strikes again
06:42 <Nothing\> he screwed over my brother now, too
06:51 <Nothing\> though he deserved it after i warned him
06:54 <Ampera> that's why you never go to computer anyone
06:57 <Nothing\> how are you so far today?
07:01 <Ampera> computers are so fucking lego anything but doing it yourself is dumb
07:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, well he had the money and didn't want to bother with it himself
07:37 <Nothing\> plus he's been abusing the shit out of his sleep/anxiety pills to the point where he's barely functional most days
07:46 <Nothing\> so he'd probably do more harm than good
07:56 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:04 <Nothing\> and he's been out of practice about as long as i have, which is nigh on to 10 years
08:35 <Nothing\> i mean, i still can't figure out how/bother to install another HD in this computer
08:43 <Nothing\> even though i'm sure i could look it up just as easily
09:06 <Nothing\> i've still got plenty of space anyways, it's just being taken up by bulky installers
09:22 <Nothing\> i installed the new flight simulator game, the installer alone was 72gb :o
09:47 <Nothing\> damn realistic graphics, though. i think the best graphics i've ever seen on a game.
10:38 <Nothing\> i think if i ever took my computer into a shop, i'd probably encrypt all of my media and pictures and shit just so he doesn't go snooping around my personal shit
11:12 <Nothing\> it's like having somebody go through your house when you're not even home and just rummage through everything freely
11:18 <rust_collector> I would probably put a random drive in it. keep my data at home
12:00 <Nothing\> for some reason the version of windows 10 i have on this computer only asks for a PIN number when i log in instead of an actual password
12:52 <Nothing\> it's convenient, but i've gotta wonder about the security of a 4 digit password consisting of only 10 different characters compared to a much longer password with what? like 200 possible characters
13:24 <Nothing\> i could work out how many permutations that PIN has but ehhhh
14:19 <Nothing\> 5040 combinations
14:25 <Nothing\> that's terrible
14:48 <rust_collector> how many times can you enter the wrong pin, before somethign happens?
14:54 <Nothing\> i have no idea
15:14 <Nothing\> my mom's phone doesn't lock if you put the password in wrong too many times though
15:31 <rust_collector> does it run winders 10?
15:42 <Nothing\> which is probably a good thing, cuz she went with one of those pattern drawing passwords and half the time i draw it wrong or incompletely
15:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, windows CE DUH
16:01 <Nothing\> it's a mobile device
16:13 <Nothing\> actually wasn't 10 designed for mobile devices?
16:27 <Nothing\> or was that vista? and it just carried over all this time
16:29 <rust_collector> who knows what they were thinking
16:42 <Nothing\> i know what they were thinking
16:59 <rust_collector> but 8 was pretty touchscreen-ish
17:00 <Nothing\> "we need to tailor our products to idiots better than Apple does. How do we do that?"
17:06 <Nothing\> there was an 8?
17:13 <rust_collector> uh, yes
17:26 <Nothing\> i was just thinking to myself "i wonder what happened to 8 and 9. it's like the damn final fantasy games"
18:10 <rust_collector> the story is that they skipped 9, because some stuff could confuse that with 95 and 98
18:22 <Nothing\> come to think of it, 8 woulda come out when i was in a bad way so if i DID know about it, i probably forgot
18:34 <Nothing\> rust_collector, ah that makes sense i guess
18:49 <Nothing\> even though they're both 1 byte integers
19:26 <Nothing\> unless whatever it is that gets confused just looks at the MSF and says to hell with the rest of the number
19:35 <Nothing\> which seems like shitty coding
19:36 <rust_collector> if the program is looking for a 9... I don't think it matters what that is
19:55 <Nothing\> are wildcards used that much?
20:06 <Nothing\> i guess in that case it would be vital
20:18 <rust_collector> I have no idea.
20:28 <Nothing\> like when you search for *.exe
21:02 <Nothing\> or you take over an irc server and put a kline on *@*.*
21:11 <Nothing\> lol
21:31 <Nothing\> and then change all of the oper and admin passwords
22:16 <Nothing\> lol both of my cats have white pubic hair
22:25 <Nothing\> big white patch right on the crotch
23:04 <Nothing\> it reminds me of back in the 90's, i used to look up pictures of nude cartoon characters. and there was one picture of rogue from x-men and her pubes had a streak of white through them like her hair does lol
23:14 <Nothing\> i dunno why that's the only that sticks in my head
23:44 <Nothing\> i also used to like those sites with fake nudes of celebrities. first porn site i ever remember going on was celebpics.com
24:40 <Nothing\> i'd print them off and stash them with my 3rd generation playboys and hustlers that my brother stole from my dad and i in turn stole from my brother. man those things had sticky pages.
24:52 <Nothing\> in my toy box lol
25:19 <electrohead> that's nasty
29:20 <Nothing\> haha such were the days before the internet became ubiquitous
29:33 <Nothing\> lol i still remember playing this one game, strip poker 3 for dos
30:00 <Nothing\> with those super low res nude women from the 80's with afros on their coochies
31:06 <Nothing\> then one day every time i tried to start the computer, it asked for the strip poker disk and even if i started the game, it'd just ask again when i rebooted. i was so scared i was gonna get busted but my brother didn't say anything.
31:55 <Nothing\> it was asking for a disk called "strip" so i was planning on explaining i was playing a game called "soldiers that rest in peace" and broke the computer with it
32:09 <Nothing\> man kids are dumb lol
32:46 <electrohead> "afros on their coochies"
32:48 <electrohead> lmfao
32:57 <Nothing\> dude, that's how it was before the 90's
33:09 <Nothing\> huge bushes on women
33:15 <electrohead> that's why I'm laughing, hahaha
33:28 <electrohead> awesome.
33:56 <Nothing\> reminds me of that one adam sandler movie, i can't remember which one it was, one of the early ones. but he's watching porn and he goes "this must be an old one, this guy's dick's got sideburns"
34:03 <Nothing\> or something to that effect
34:04 <electrohead> I remember formatting, by accident, a boot disk for an old tandy computer back when I was younger
34:17 <Nothing\> did tandy use FDISK?
34:26 <electrohead> I don't remember, sorry man
34:29 <Nothing\> i remember that was a liability and a half
35:06 <Nothing\> command line based formatting and partitioning utility, i'm pretty sure it came with MS DOS 6.0 so it's possible it was on the TANDY
35:44 <Nothing\> press the wrong button and BAM your (computer's) brains are all over the sidewalk
36:14 <electrohead> well, if it helps any, I do everything from the command line, to include formatting and partitioning
36:26 <electrohead> so, I know the feeling of what can happen if I fuck something up
36:28 <electrohead> heh
36:32 <Nothing\> i'd like to utilize the command line more often
36:47 <Nothing\> and maybe even learn power.... power... oh wtf is it called
36:48 <electrohead> force yourself to live at the command line for a month
36:52 <electrohead> powershell?
36:56 <electrohead> that's a windows thing
36:56 <Nothing\> that's it, thank you
37:02 <Nothing\> yeah i don't use linux anymore
37:07 <electrohead> you should.
37:09 <electrohead> :P
37:12 <rust_collector> ha ha haaaaa
37:19 <electrohead> brb, need to reboot
37:25 <electrohead> (kernel updates, yay)
37:30 <Nothing\> i used a pi as my primary computer for almost 2 years
37:41 <Nothing\> and dicked around with redhat when 7 was new
37:45 <Nothing\> but that's about it
40:13 <rust_collector> in that case, you should use slackware
41:12 <Nothing\> i dunno, i liked raspbian
41:19 <Nothing\> so i'd imagine debian would be nice
41:27 Join: TheDude ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
41:37 <Nothing\> TheDude, do you abide?
42:12 <TheDude> I refuse to do otherwise
42:26 <Nothing\> damn skippy
42:37 * Nothing\ high fives TheDude
43:39 <Nothing\> if i ever did go back to linux, there's only one reason why
43:59 <Nothing\> to use this 8051/52 simulator that i absolutely loved
44:29 <Nothing\> unfortunately it's the only decent 8051 IDE and emu/simulator and only for linux
44:52 <TheDude> speaking of awful things
45:11 <rust_collector> you know... it runs pretty ok on an actual computer, lol. How about the emulator in a virtual machine
45:19 <TheDude> they put in some new internet filtering/blocking shit at work
45:30 <Nothing\> TheDude, vpn?
45:35 <TheDude> among other things, they're now blocking spotify
45:42 <TheDude> bloody fucking cunts
45:50 <electrohead> run your own VPN, and put the server port on either 443 or 80. solved.
46:03 <Nothing\> there ya go
46:06 <Nothing\> lol
46:15 <Nothing\> or
46:26 <Nothing\> you could use a shell with a text based browser like lynx
46:27 <Nothing\> hahaha
46:34 <TheDude> I found a tutorial on using AWS as a proxy
46:56 <Nothing\> one thing i always wondered about proxies and VPNs
47:02 <electrohead> better yet, you can egress/ingress via ICMP or DNS requests. surely, would be on the slower side, but harder to detect and filter that
47:26 <Nothing\> using them for sensitive things, how can you be sure to trust that THEY won't intercept the information and use it for nefarious purposes?
47:33 <TheDude> I think I might not be qualified enough to discuss this stuff with you, lads
47:51 <Nothing\> i mean these days i would assume everything going through a VPN would be encrypted, so that would be possible
47:57 <Nothing\> but i dunno for certain
49:14 <Nothing\> or
49:22 <rust_collector> I guess you should look into what would happen if you try to trick your way around their blocking things. If I did that at work, I would have a lot of time to do what I wanted...at home
49:47 <Nothing\> you could write a script to download CP onto the guy's computer and call in an anonymous tip
49:51 <Nothing\> problem solved
50:05 <Nothing\> although you may find you've lost some scrupples
50:08 <Nothing\> however you spell it
50:34 <welterde> Nothing\: really depends on your threat model.. are you trying to keep secrets from certain three letter agencies or more to just get around local censorship, etc.
51:31 <Nothing\> welterde, just senseless acts of destruction for the sake of passive aggressive vengeance
51:46 <welterde> because it's quite obvious that NSA etc. will be trying to run their own VPN providers and just intercept all the traffic there.. and there is no real way of knowing which ones are run by NSA (or other agencies) and which ones aren't
51:50 <Nothing\> also, vengeance is a shitty word to spell properly. but at least now i know
52:25 <Nothing\> welterde, according to youtubers who know nothing about internet security, nordvpn is to be trusted
52:44 <Nothing\> despite their security breach last year which they didn't bother disclosing to their customers
52:58 <Nothing\> which for some reason EVERYONE seems to have forgotten about. it's stupid.
53:40 <Nothing\> like everyone was calling them out for it and chastizing them for using scaremongering tactics in their adverts and didn't see anything about them for some months. so i figured they were dead.
54:09 <Nothing\> then all of a sudden i start seeing ads and sponsored content from them from the very people who were calling them out for their bullshit no less than a year ago
54:40 <Nothing\> it's like i just imagined the whole thing
54:48 <rust_collector> the what?
55:00 <Nothing\> security breach at NordVPN
55:09 <rust_collector> eh? noooo?
55:16 <Nothing\> and them not telling their customers
55:43 <Nothing\> nope, didn't imagine it
55:45 <Nothing\> https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/21/20925065/nordvpn-server-breach-vpn-traffic-exposed-encryption#:~:text=NordVPN%20says%20one%20of%20its,logs%2C%20usernames%2C%20or%20passwords.
56:02 <Nothing\> that's a funny looking url
58:51 <rust_collector> well, it is that time again...
59:01 <rust_collector> good "night"
02:57 <Nothing\> oh right on
03:06 <Nothing\> roger penrose won the nobel prize in physics
03:15 <Nothing\> along with a team, but still that's cool
03:39 <Nothing\> and the team who invented crispr won the prize in chemistry
04:03 <Nothing\> i dunno why they're announcing the winners now though. i read that the ceremonies are held on December 10th
04:36 <rust_collector> because people can not meet anyway, so...
27:13 <Nothing\> that hasn't stopped them
27:27 <Nothing\> hell, trump was just out meeting supporters on the weekend, despite having covid-19
27:51 <Nothing\> such a brave man going on like that despite being sick. now there's a man who clearly doesn't give a shit about his people.
28:38 <Polesch> I support Trump.
28:43 <Nothing\> why?
29:02 <Nothing\> legit question btw, not trying to be insulting
29:11 <Polesch> Because he annoys people I don't like.
29:28 <Nothing\> it's just honestly hard for me to fathom why somebody would support trump despite all of the stuff he's been called out on
29:43 <Nothing\> like paying only a few thousand in taxes according to his records that he tried to hide
29:49 <Nothing\> but he still claims he paid millions
30:35 <Nothing\> he lies out of his teeth right to peoples' faces and expects them to believe it because for some reason some of them do. but fewer and fewer are believing stuff he says anymore, i've been noticing.
30:54 <Nothing\> even twitter now has a disclaimer on his posts saying that they may be factually incorrect
31:03 <Nothing\> or they did anyways, i dunno how that wound up
31:59 <Nothing\> he dodged the draft during vietnam due to a fictitious "bone spur" and now has the gall to call fallen soldiers "suckers"
32:38 <K> you might be feeding a troll
32:44 <Nothing\> it's possible
33:01 <Nothing\> but this is the first time i've talked about it, so it's still fairly novel to me
35:17 <Nothing\> ugh
35:30 <Nothing\> go on facebook to find 22 unread messages... all from my brother
36:44 <Nothing\> i know i shouldn't be one to talk,but man he gets annoying like that when he's on drugs
44:21 <Nothing\> ahhh yeah, i get to pick up the rest of my uncle's stuff on saturday
44:34 <Nothing\> along with my cousin's textbooks that she said i could have
44:57 <Nothing\> she got a PhD in bioengineering so there's all sorts of stuff on like biology, genetics, organic chemistry etc
45:32 <Nothing\> sadly nothing on electronics, though. which is my holy grail for getting a physical book
46:22 <Nothing\> actually my holy grail is to get a copy of The Art of Electronics 3rd Edition, but it's well over $100 and i'm not gonna spend that much on something i already have on my computer
47:07 <Nothing\> frankly i just want something on electronics i can read on the can when i don't have access to my mum's phone
47:21 <Nothing\> i've resorted to reading my notebooks lol
50:27 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ again
50:37 <Nothing\> aw
50:42 <hsn> dont u always hug nothing?
50:42 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera again
50:43 <Ampera> how are you doing
50:48 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright
50:50 <hsn> bcz u hate everyone
50:57 * Ampera hugs hsn 
50:57 <Nothing\> a bit groggy, another day with 2 hours of sleep
51:11 <Ampera> 2 hours is a lot of sleep
51:15 <Nothing\> got a dentist appointment in a few hours so i'm just getting ready to start the medication process
51:21 <Ampera> nice
51:26 <Nothing\> which will probably cause me to fall asleep lol
51:27 Quit: spark_gap ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving...
51:34 * hsn hugs back with a knife pointed out to protect ur back
51:35 <Ampera> I took half a day of work to clean up things around the house
51:47 <Ampera> so that's fun
52:07 <Nothing\> 150mg of dextromethorphan for the NMDA antagonism, cuz nitrous oxide is also an NMDA antagonist so there will be synergy between the two
52:17 <hsn> the second hdd that is 2TB also does beeeeps
52:34 <Ampera> how the hell is a hard drive beeping
52:42 <hsn> googlr it
52:58 <Ampera> google what
52:58 <Nothing\> 120mg of methadone, which has both the opioid action from the levorotary isomer and NMDA antagonism from the dextrorotary isomer, both effects will also synergize with the nitrous
53:02 <hsn> i thought its motherboard all the time
53:11 <hsn> then i suspected hdd ..
53:30 <hsn> https://www.gillware.com/hard-drive-data-recovery/seagate-hard-drive-beeping/
53:34 <Nothing\> 6mg of clonazepam for anxiolysis and to cut back the cross tolerance between clonazepam and nitrous oxide
53:54 <Nothing\> you wanna know something neat Ampera?
54:03 <Nothing\> you know immodium, the anti-diarrhea drug?
54:15 <Nothing\> it's actually an honest to god opioid
54:27 <Ampera> hsn, if a hard drive is beeping from being stalled, then you'd fucking know it
54:37 <Ampera> Nothing\, No I don't know that drug
54:40 <Ampera> so alright then
54:46 <Nothing\> but it doesn't get you high at normal doses cuz it can't pass the blood brain barrier and make it into the brain to affect your central nervous system
54:46 <Ampera> is it OTC?
54:55 <hsn> Ampera how?
55:07 <Nothing\> so it only affects your GI tract's nervous system, which also has opioid receptors in it
55:12 <Ampera> hsn, hard drives don't beep, what they're describing is the stepper motor trying to shove a stalled platter
55:15 <Ampera> which yeah, might make a noise
55:23 <Ampera> but if you had something like that, the drive wouldn't work at all
55:27 <hsn> no .. it beeps
55:28 <Nothing\> but those receptors mediate peristolsis, gut motility, muscle contractions, stuff like that
55:34 <Ampera> hard drives do not beep
55:40 <Ampera> they do not have any loudspeakers to do so
55:47 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
55:49 <Ampera> if a hard drive is making a beeping sound it is seriously broken
55:52 <Ampera> and not supposed to do that
55:57 <Nothing\> Ampera, but there are all of these opioid addicts who take literally hundreds of pills of immodium to get high
55:59 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
56:41 <Nothing\> cuz when you take that much, especially alongside a drug to weaken your blood brain barrier and allow the immodium to affect the brain, which isn't ideal since that barrier is to ensure nothing nasty passes through your blood into your brain, right
56:53 <Nothing\> plus apparently at those doses, immodium fucks with your heart
57:16 <Nothing\> i think chubbyemu actually did a video where he went over a case report of somebody who overdosed on immodium
57:40 <hsn> ampera i suspect the power supply has problems .. the hdd knows it .. so it beeps ..
57:59 <Nothing\> his most recent one was a teenage girl who drank 2 bottles of liquid benedryl (didn't know it came in liquid form so i have no clue how much that'd be) and almost died as a result
58:07 <Ampera> hsn, hard drives don't beep
58:10 <Nothing\> she chugged that much benedryl for a fucking tiktok video
58:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, they used to
58:19 <Nothing\> sorta
58:21 <Ampera> it isn't your hard drive, and if it is, you have an imminent paperweight
58:27 <Ampera> I'm sure some hard drive, some time in history, had circuitry to beep
58:35 <Ampera> but I don't own one that does
58:38 <Nothing\> i mean, the computer's PC speaker would beep when it successfully POSTed back in the day
58:39 <Ampera> among the dozens I do
58:41 <Ampera> old and new
58:46 <Nothing\> but not the actual harddrive
58:51 <Ampera> Nothing\, computers still do that
58:56 <Nothing\> mine doesn't
59:03 <Ampera> it does, it just doesn't have a speaker to
59:04 <Nothing\> mine doesn't even have a pc speaker i don't think
59:08 <Ampera> but the hardware is still there
59:10 <Nothing\> ah
59:14 <Ampera> and most motherboards have speaker headers
59:25 <Nothing\> even if it uses a UEFI instead of a BIOS?
59:41 <Ampera> Even
59:52 <Ampera> all EFI machines I've ever had did a POST beep
59:56 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
00:07 <Ampera> however that is not a hard drive, and hard drives do not beep
00:23 <hsn> ampera . should i believe u and ignore my ear?
00:40 <Ampera> if you are hearing a beep it either isn't your hard drive, or your hard drive is about to die
00:42 <Ampera> or already dead
00:56 <Ampera> the only way a hard drive can beep is if one of the motors is fucked properly
00:56 <hsn> not dead i bot but its fcking slow
01:09 <hsn> nah its proper beeps
01:24 <hsn> nice beeps .. ment to be beeps
01:29 <Nothing\> gah just gagged on my pills and my drink came out my nose
01:34 <Nothing\> i haven't done that in ages
01:45 <Nothing\> had something come out my nose like thta... at least other than vomit
01:48 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - I have a dead HDD that beeps.
01:56 <Nothing\> for some reason every time i puke it comes out my nose
02:03 <Ysjoelfir> but its not meant to beep, but for sure it sounds like it is
02:07 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, it actually has a piezo beeper on it?
02:10 <Nothing\> oh lol
02:38 <Nothing\> i have this one piezo buzzer here, damn thing's like 3cm wide
02:44 <Ysjoelfir> no. its a crystal clear beep, but I assume that is from the motor hard stopping that thing because of some overload condition or whatever
02:54 <Nothing\> it doesn't work right though cuz there's a piece of betal or something stuck in it
03:01 <Nothing\> damn cat's sleeping right where my editbar is
03:07 <Ampera> If you stall the motor and crank it, it will probably beep
03:19 <Ampera> but that's not an intentional design, it's not supposed to do that
03:24 <Ampera> it's not a warning, it's not anything smart
03:24 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
03:29 <Nothing\> i've got a harddrive i'm using as a centerpiece on the top of a cabinet
03:34 <Ampera> and thus hard drives do not beep, they are not meant to
03:41 <Nothing\> i took the cover off so the platters and insides are visible
03:52 <Nothing\> lol would you believe when the police seized all of my computer shit
03:57 <Nothing\> they actually seized that drive too
03:59 <Ysjoelfir> yep. but as I said, I can see why hsn thinks it does. mine realy also sounds like it comes from a piezzo
04:01 <hsn> ampera .. i thought they
04:07 <Ampera> They don't.
04:11 <Nothing\> like they're gonna be able to recover anything from a harddrive that's missing the case
04:19 <hsn> do the software to warn user
04:19 <Nothing\> and has the platter visibly scratched
04:24 <Nothing\> and the head crashed
04:36 <Nothing\> fucking stupid cops
04:40 <hsn> bucz ita fcking beeps xD with perfect delays .. etc
04:56 <Nothing\> yet there was a handfull of thumbdrives they missed
05:11 <Nothing\> despite how thorough they were otherwise
05:16 <Ampera> hsn, do you have a RAID controller?
05:20 <Ampera> because some of those do beep
05:32 <Nothing\> nothing like being woken up to the police arresting you and raiding your house
05:54 <hsn> 90% probably there is
05:54 <Nothing\> i'm only just now starting to come to terms with that. i swear it was just like being kidnapped
06:20 <hsn> but i dont have raid system enabled
07:04 <Ampera> hsn, I mean a dedicated card
07:23 <Ampera> all I can tell you is hard drives do not beep. If it's software, it could be your PC speaker beeping
07:28 <hsn> it would be in motherboard no?
07:40 <Ampera> Not necessarily
07:45 <Ampera> it just needs to be attached to the motherboard
07:57 <hsn> no Ampera it even does at bootup time before windows boots
07:58 <Ysjoelfir> can also be a (usually freakishly expensive) plug in card like I have in my server.
08:07 <Ysjoelfir> then its definitely not software
08:28 <Ysjoelfir> then it most probably is the motor driver squealing because it gets duckered
08:32 <Ysjoelfir> *fuckered+
08:52 <hsn> also at beep time .. i can feel it with my finger
08:56 <hsn> in the hdd
09:01 <Ysjoelfir> hah
09:03 <Ampera> hsn, yeah, that's probably the motor choking to death
09:04 <Ysjoelfir> jep
09:06 <Ampera> it's not a speaker
09:06 <Ysjoelfir> motor driver
09:27 <hsn> will how do u know its not smart feature
09:34 <hsn> to warn me
09:37 <hsn> xD
09:42 <Ampera> because I know for a fact hard drives don't implement those
09:44 <Ampera> there is no reason to
09:50 <Ampera> and I have certainly never seen it
10:07 <hsn> well ..
10:07 <Nothing\> huh
10:13 <Ampera> considering there are also only two hard drive manufacturers in the world (iirc), the potential for a manufacturer quirk is remote
10:17 <Nothing\> you guys remember that old cartoon, king of the hill?
10:21 <Ampera> yeah
10:26 <Ysjoelfir> because a) you can feel it. b) there is no (half way modern) HDD with built in speakers. c) its also there when nothing software like is running.
10:34 <Nothing\> are you familiar with the characters Ampera?
10:38 <Ampera> mostly
10:38 <Nothing\> or you just know of the show?
10:50 <Ampera> I've seen it a handful of times
10:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, i just realized khan is an anagram of hank
11:01 <Ampera> ok
11:03 <Ysjoelfir> you could probably just put that thing on a PSU without any connection to a PC and it would do that, too
11:06 <Nothing\> interesting, given that they're polar opposites
11:12 <Ampera> ok
11:19 <Nothing\> i've been watching a lot of king of the hill lately
11:32 <hsn> Ysjoelfir .. im not saying its speaker .. but it felt sooooo pure beep so i thought they use the motor to warn me .. nice engineers
11:39 <Nothing\> it's a brilliant show imo, but in that smart way that isn't immediately obvious to everyone
11:43 <Nothing\> like seinfeld
11:50 <Nothing\> or frasier
12:01 <Nothing\> although frasier wasn't really THAT smart
12:14 <Nothing\> i mean they talked smart, but the plots were just your standard sitcom fodder
12:27 <Ysjoelfir> nah. its just the HDD trying its best to stay alive until you have backed up all your data
12:30 <Nothing\> good show, despite that though
12:40 <hsn> darn
12:48 <Nothing\> hsn: like those people who play chiptunes on old harddrives
12:52 <Nothing\> or floppy drives
13:10 <hsn> Nothing\ u understand me xD
15:57 <Nothing\> dammit
16:22 <Nothing\> i petted my cat to pat his fur down so it's not blocking my edit bar, but that just woke him up and now his head's blocking it instead
16:35 <Ysjoelfir> you did great
16:39 <Nothing\> they weren't kidding when they said maine coons get big
17:02 <Ysjoelfir> just sell it and get a smaller one, its worth a pretty penny.
17:10 <Nothing\> lol i have a smaller one too
17:20 <Nothing\> she's always beating him up (the larger one)
17:27 <Nothing\> she's just a tabby
17:38 <Nothing\> meanwhile maine coons can grow up to 4 feet long
18:08 <Nothing\> mine's only about 6 months old and his head already comes up to my belly button when he's on his hind legs
18:34 <Nothing\> haven't had a chance to measure him proper in ages though cuz it's impossible unless he's sleeping really deeply
20:24 <Nothing\> welp, the rough measurement i got of him just lying down was 30 inches
21:12 <Nothing\> that can't be right, the other cat was 28in but she's way smaller than my bigger cat
21:28 <Nothing\> i was just telling my mum the other day we should take her to the vet cuz her head's too small
21:55 <Nothing\> but i just bought a 1 square foot fresnel lens and that seemede to fix the problem without having to resort to a vet
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22:53 <Nothing\> i wonder if that means nero's connected on some sort of THz band device
23:08 <Nothing\> or if he's just working on said device
23:33 <Nothing\> i guess 5G is mm wave, isn't it?
23:46 <Nothing\> assuming my memory of it being 300ghz is correct
52:05 <Nothing\> welp, guess i'll troubleshoot this FC Twin my brother gave me to fix
53:14 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270440074477436928/763442915498000394/20201007_124926.jpg
53:43 <Ampera> Nothing\ 5G has a mmwave and sub-6ghz component
53:58 <Ampera> and only the sub-six is really practical
54:06 <Ysjoelfir> uh, a bun
54:52 <Ampera> I have sub-six 5G myself and can get this on speedtest https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/756265864667332758/Screenshot_20200917-172826_Speedtest.jpg
59:20 <hsn> ampera
59:31 <hsn> im buying
59:37 <hsn> the damn oneplus
59:49 <hsn> 8 pro
00:43 <hsn> 455 mbps is fake
01:21 <Ysjoelfir> no!
01:33 <Ampera> hsn, it's not an 8 pro
01:34 <Ysjoelfir> get a xiaomi!
01:51 <Ampera> xiaomi can be good if it has proper android
02:03 <hsn> its what!??!?
02:03 <Ampera> and that speed is not fake
02:14 <Nothing\> Ampera, :ah yeah that sounds familiar now
02:24 <Ampera> it's been tested against a third party server two states away
02:36 <hsn> no .. but i mean u said u did research 8 pro is good price
02:37 <Ampera> hsn, it's a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra
02:50 <Ampera> 8 Pro is one of the best phones you can get
03:02 <Ampera> and is a way better deal than the note 20 ultra
03:26 <Ampera> if you can't piss 1.6k like it's nothing, don't buy a note 20 ultra
03:27 <hsn> ampera let me show u .. why im saying its fake
03:39 <hsn> in my country this is not bad speed https://photos.app.goo.gl/T4zhEf6iowSN5hEL6
04:17 <hsn> feel free using the code to get 1 free what ever is that
04:34 <hsn> ur welcome
04:39 <hsn> xD
06:14 <Ampera> how does you having shit internet make mine fake
07:34 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/599897035700699156/we9el41Jf3QAAAAASUVORK5CYII.png
07:44 <Ampera> this is my home internet on speedtest
18:30 <NeroTHz> Ampera, why is the milliemter-wave band not practical?
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28:23 <hsn> u cant hear their music NeroTHz
28:28 <hsn> :)
29:28 <hsn> bcz ^^
33:29 <Ampera> NeroTHz, it's bad for phones using omnidirectional antennas
33:42 <Ampera> the signal penetration is so poor, it makes it a fool's errand to set up enough base stations to serve an area
34:02 <Ampera> and as much as cell handover is usually seamless, having to do it for every other street has got to be a pain in the ass
34:38 <Ampera> It's useless inside buildings, difficult to use in cars, and ultimately the massive speeds are not all that useful
35:04 <Ampera> The mmWave bands are, however, excellent for directional point to point usage, just not for your cellphone
36:21 <Nothing\> well, this FC Twin is pooched
36:22 <Nothing\> :/
36:28 <Nothing\> NES side won't even start up
36:44 <NeroTHz> I agree that with omnidirectional antennas free-space pathloss would make it practically useless, but that is why pretty much all suggestions involve beam-steering at least in part
37:22 <Nothing\> SNES side freezes randomly and the audio is garbled to shit, which isn't surprising given the output for the last stage of the audio amp is just a totem pole configuration mounted on a heatsink with no cage or anything to block RF
37:24 <Ampera> The main problem isn't the free space loss, it's the not free space loss
37:47 <Nothing\> hey, since we're on the subject of antennas
37:48 <NeroTHz> and I don´t think the amount of base stations will be a problem. At least where I live, you already have telco distribution boxes for docsis or GFast etc.
37:51 <Ampera> Hands, cars, buildings. Especially when you're in a major city, where those block by block minicells are placed
38:20 <Ampera> docsis and dsl don't need to beam a signal through the air
38:29 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to make a foxhole radio, or maybe something a bit more proper, but from what i've read, you need around an 80 foot long antenna to get a good signal
38:41 <NeroTHz> No, but they prove that deployment of small microcells is viable
38:45 <Nothing\> is that really necessary? cuz i'm in an apartment that i don't even think is 80 feet long
39:01 <Nothing\> NeroTHz, you see that roger penrose won the nobel prize yesterday?
39:03 <Nothing\> along with a team
39:08 <NeroTHz> Hands is actually far less of a problem with millimeter-wave bands than with the lower bands
39:11 <Nothing\> i thought that was pretty cool
39:19 <Nothing\> i like the tiling that is his namesake
39:27 <NeroTHz> because they near-field of your antennas is much smaller, so your hands don´t fuck with the raw antenna pattern nearly as much
39:37 <Nothing\> i should get my entire body tattooed with penrose tiles
39:43 <Ampera> Bone is still a thing, but that's just a minor problem
39:45 <Nothing\> or some other trippy tessellation
40:18 <Nothing\> ugh my hands feel dirty after handling that FC Twin on account of dust and what not
40:26 <Nothing\> don't you hate the feeling of dust on your hands?
40:36 <Ampera> The other issue with saying that FttN services prove sub-6 works is that you, and especially for DOCSIS, need far fewer nodes to service FttN than I'd imagine you would for mmWave 5G
40:41 <Nothing\> or really anything that changes the texture of the skin on your hands
40:44 <Nothing\> like sand
41:04 <Ampera> I know G.Fast has really low range, but DOCSIS can go pretty far from a node
41:32 <NeroTHz> The way I see it (but this is like 10-15 years), over time your WiFi will be replaced with 5/6 G. WiFi will still be a thing, of course, but the line between ´mobile plan´ and ´broadband access for your house´ will blur, and everything will be mobile (this is for the general population, which we in general do not belong to)
41:42 <NeroTHz> more recent DOCSIS has been shortening that distance
41:55 <Ampera> even more, with FttN services, you know where your customers are, with mmWave, you need base stations everywhere your customers might be
42:14 <NeroTHz> so while I agree that mmwave bands will not see wide-spread use in this generation, I do see it becoming more and more standard over the next decade or so
42:14 <Ampera> I doubt that public access mmWave will replace 802.11, and at the very least I don't want to exist in a world where that happens
42:46 <Ampera> if you mean mmWave as a replacement for 802.11 as a LAN technology, then that may work, but you still run into the problems of walls
43:14 <NeroTHz> what I meant is rather that the all-in-one wifi-modem box you get now, it will be a 5G/6G modem in yuor house
43:17 <Ampera> and honestly we already have something like that, don't we? 802.11ay or something
43:32 <Ampera> ah
43:55 <Ampera> meh, I get the argument for that, and in some areas, not only will it work, it's working right here right now
44:16 <NeroTHz> and Iḿ honestly not the expert on 5G milimeter-wave, but I do think I´m in a position of more familiarity with the practicalities of it than most, what with it being my job and all
44:17 <Ampera> but FttP, I hope, will win out eventually
44:34 <Ampera> That is true, you do know more than me, but I believe I know enough to have reasonable doubts.
44:36 <NeroTHz> I feel like we have had that argument before, and while I would like FTTP, I think it will not win myself
45:02 <Nothing\> lol i found one of those old magic jack things in my uncle's old stuff
45:03 <NeroTHz> but only time can tell, and there are good arguments for both sides
45:15 <Ampera> Nothing\, you said so before
45:15 <Nothing\> i looked inside it
45:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but i didn't realize before, the main chip on it says "Magic Chip" on it
45:35 <Nothing\> lol
45:42 <Ampera> NeroTHz, fair enough. I just find the concept of 5/6G mmWave being what we get instead of FttP dystopian and depressing
45:46 <Nothing\> then has some numbers, presumably a datecode
45:55 <Ampera> DOCSIS is already dystopian and depressing enough
45:58 <NeroTHz> ampera, why?
46:00 <Nothing\> gotta say, it's a nice change from just sanding the numbers off
46:07 <NeroTHz> I´ve had DOCSIS for ages, and it performs amazing
46:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, think it still works in these days?
46:24 <NeroTHz> most of mobile communication goes over millimeter-wave point-to-point links already
46:24 <Ampera> NeroTHz, because, at least here, DOCSIS providers are fucking trash companies
46:28 <Nothing\> yeah i've used DOCSIS for at least 10-15 years and i love it
46:30 <Ampera> there do not exist decent DOCSIS providers in the US
46:46 <NeroTHz> well yeah, but that is not a DOCSIS problem, that is a US-telco-system problem
46:50 <Ampera> the uplink provisions especially should be actually illegal
46:51 <Nothing\> way better than elon musk's kessley syndrome machine
46:56 <Nothing\> *kessler
47:01 <Ampera> NeroTHz, what is your speed down/up
47:09 <Nothing\> he's gonna kill us with that stupid starlink program
47:09 <Ampera> close to practical as you can give me the number
47:13 <Nothing\> if that's what it's called
47:31 <NeroTHz> 400/50 I think. I´ve tested it a few times and got like 3 or 4 mbit lower in practice
47:33 <Ampera> I'd actually put a vision of the future bet on LEO sats over mmWave to the street
47:49 <Ampera> 400/50 is better than anyone ever gets using DOCSIS, but my point is I get 600/1000 here
47:55 <Ampera> for not much in the grand scheme of things
48:08 <Ampera> and I'd much rather live in a world with that in my house than with a shitty cable
48:23 <Ampera> 50 up, in my use case, would be oppressive
48:50 <Ampera> Better than what most people get, as even the best of the best plans will never quote you more than 35 up, and in practice good luck getting that
48:54 <Ampera> but still depressing
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57:11 <arch> T3sl4 sensei, i just did the HCL experiment to my used tray of ferric chloride, which was basically goop
57:16 <arch> it worked :D
57:56 <arch> no more goop. it used up all the FeOH3 precipitate and is now back to FeCl3 and water. need to evaporate off the excess water is the only con.
59:03 <arch> although, my ferric bath now smells like ass cuz the HCL fumes. there might be a bit excess HCL. o well, it'll get used up by any copperclad job i add in the future
03:50 <arch> https://www.chemicalaid.com/tools/equationbalancer.php?equation=Fe%28OH%293+%2B+HCl+%3D+FeCl3+%2B+H2O
04:23 <arch> only 32% conc HCL, so i have quite a bit of water i suppose
06:05 <arch> oh and i guess the used bath also had some FeCl2: https://www.chemicalaid.com/tools/equationbalancer.php?equation=FeCl2+%2B+HCl+%2B+H2O2+%3D+FeCl3+%2B+H2O
07:50 <Nothing\> hey, what do you guys think of this autotransformer?
07:52 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07CDR529R/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AMFH8PFQ4G2A0
08:09 <Nothing\> i dunno much about them, but this seems to be a pretty good model, and not badly priced either
08:44 <Nothing\> and i very rarely use any more than maybe half an amp, so it should be plenty for my needs
10:50 <Nothing\> sigh, i have to go to the dentist in half an hour and despite having taken my pre-meds over 3 hours ago i still don't feel terribly sedated
11:04 <Nothing\> sedated, sure but i worry it's not enough
11:10 <Nothing\> gotta love neuroticism
19:27 <Nothing\> welp, time to get ready to go
19:56 <Nothing\> wish me luck guys. Pretty sure I'm just getting fillings this time FINALLY. I've probably had a dozen root canals so far this year.
20:09 <Nothing\> they're getting to be as common for me as fillings for normal peopel
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17:56 <hsn> oh yeh
18:02 <hsn> rusty?
18:32 <hsn> where is rusty
33:15 <Ysjoelfir> I assume either in his truck, working, or in his bed, sleeping, or somewhere in between :)
33:23 <Ysjoelfir> also, I'm going to bed now, too. gn8 all
34:22 <electrohead> o/
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54:41 <electrohead> https://hackaday.com/2020/10/07/official-teardown-gives-unexpected-look-into-ps5
55:03 <Ampera> from the piss poor to the piss pie
56:35 * T3sl4 pisses vinegar on Ampera
56:40 <MrMobodies> Hello
56:50 <Ampera> T3sl4, well you're a sour piss today.
57:00 <MrMobodies> actually I am having piss poor time
57:01 * Ampera pisses in T3sl4's cheerios
57:10 <MrMobodies> I went down the pub and there was this old lady
57:19 <Ampera> oh no, not the elderly
57:25 <MrMobodies> she moved over my table, started coughing, drunk
57:30 <T3sl4> :/
57:31 <MrMobodies> yes she was nearly
57:36 <Ampera> oh no, not the drunk elderly
57:49 <MrMobodies> she found out about my illnesses and started telling everybody
58:02 <MrMobodies> I brought her a cup of coffee to try and sober her up
58:08 <MrMobodies> but that didn't work
58:17 <Ampera> yeah coffee doesn't really do that
58:24 <Ampera> urban legend afaik
58:29 <MrMobodies> she started talking about being raped and a 1 bedroomed house she didn't want.... in a broken record
58:52 <MrMobodies> as I was leaving the bar staff asked why I was going early
59:04 <MrMobodies> she walked away outside and fell over
59:09 <MrMobodies> ... what an evening
59:26 <Ampera> I'd have fucked off far sooner than you did
59:35 <MrMobodies> I felt a bit sick hearing about the 1 bedroom house and something about being raped
59:37 <hsn> why i cant sleep?
59:51 <hsn> i ve to wake up after 5 hours
00:09 <MrMobodies> I was looking forward to going there as they only open about 4 days a week
00:19 <MrMobodies> but ruined my evening a bit
00:27 <Ampera> I'd have found another pub
00:42 <MrMobodies> I hope she finds another pub
00:49 <Ampera> talking to a drunkard is like talking to a very angry wall
00:51 <MrMobodies> there's one across the road that would suit her
01:01 <MrMobodies> I tried to be nice
01:14 <MrMobodies> I pleaded with here to stop telling strangers my illnesses
01:23 <MrMobodies> embarrassig
01:48 <hsn> how does she knw u
01:48 <MrMobodies> I don't know how she knows about my problems as I don't see her there often
02:19 <MrMobodies> someone says something there and the barman broadcasts it to the whole village
02:28 <hsn> ur vulnorabilities ..
02:32 <MrMobodies> yes
02:35 <Ampera> sounds like a shit pub
02:46 <hsn> +1 Ampera
03:00 <MrMobodies> she has ruined it for me. Next time she is there I am not going in.
03:10 <Ampera> good call
03:16 <hsn> i mean any pub that has drunk .. is no good
03:33 <MrMobodies> well not all of them get that drunk and when they do they seem quiet
03:48 <MrMobodies> but she sounds like a broken record and falls over a lot
03:56 <MrMobodies> and coughed over my drinks
04:10 <MrMobodies> the covid rules are there to protect people and they allowed her to break it
04:57 <MrMobodies> my favorites were coffee
05:03 <MrMobodies> with Baileys irish cream
05:11 <Ampera> I still don't know why you stayed there while she did that
05:14 <Ampera> I'd have left almost immediately
05:31 <MrMobodies> I was hoping for her to go
05:54 <MrMobodies> I should have gone straight away
06:04 <MrMobodies> now I know it is going to be that bad
06:08 <electrohead> light her on fire?
06:13 <electrohead> (lol)
06:19 <MrMobodies> with FIREBALL spirits
06:41 <MrMobodies> joke: she could be on fire and drunk at the same time
06:45 <electrohead> heh, we have a whole rack of fireball here at the store :P
06:58 <MrMobodies> I heard that can make someone drunk very quickly
07:28 <electrohead> 16.5% alcohol
07:30 <electrohead> heh
07:37 <MrMobodies> I was waiting for some people to turn up but...
07:57 <MrMobodies> yes next time I'd leave
08:09 <MrMobodies> 16.5 % that's a lot
08:28 <electrohead> it's the highest percentage item we have here
09:12 <electrohead> next lowest is MXD, which is 12%
09:58 <MrMobodies> Well I heard she had 5 scotches, 5 wines, 6 bears, and was there since 3pm, I went about 6 and came home at 6.30 normally I am there much longer than that.
10:12 <electrohead> at a bar? damn, that's quite some money, then
10:42 <MrMobodies> she was asking the barman "am I allowed another one" and he said "yes... here you go"
11:36 <MrMobodies> hopefully they'd be some videos on youtube to make me forget about the whole thing
12:01 <MrMobodies> joke: the word "unwind" comes to mind
13:12 <MrMobodies> oh also I been around the elderly man bungalow today. BT did manage connect him up but to ADSL2 at 10mbps download and 1mbps upload.
13:45 <electrohead> wait
13:46 <MrMobodies> told him to check his next bill that they are not charging him for fibre (prices)?
13:49 <electrohead> megabits, or megabytes?
13:54 <MrMobodies> megabits sorry
13:57 <electrohead> ok ok
13:59 <electrohead> lol
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14:12 <MrMobodies> he use to get 50mbps in his old place
14:59 <Ampera> 10/1 is blazing fast, I'll show you my internet one sec
15:07 <electrohead> I average 15 megabytes max for my downspeed at my apartment, yet my upload is a measely 1.2 megabytes *max*
15:15 <electrohead> thanks, comcast
15:18 <MrMobodies> yeh 10 gigabits and 1 gigabit upload?
15:19 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/747282249770074122/Screenshot_20200823-223239_Speedtest.jpg
15:28 <MrMobodies> and that's when I am envious
15:33 <electrohead> same, lol
15:43 <electrohead> I don't think my local area will ever get fiber =(
16:21 <MrMobodies> I was thinking they may rol out Gfast first in this village
16:42 <Ampera> electrohead, with so much hay in amish country you already have tons of fiber
17:26 <electrohead> hey now, I need to drive a decent 40 minutes about, to see a damn horse-n-buggy
17:27 <MrMobodies> now I like that joke
17:31 <electrohead> :P
17:51 <MrMobodies> ... where you could be horsing around too?
18:12 <MrMobodies> if you reach your destination "horses for courses"
18:19 <electrohead> lol
18:33 <Ampera> electrohead, is that drive by buggy or by car?
18:53 <electrohead> the 40 minute drive? by car
18:56 * electrohead stares at Ampera
19:10 <Ampera> now how many horses does that car have
19:15 <Ampera> one, or two?
19:38 <electrohead> pushing 350 at the wheels, if I recall correctly
19:41 <electrohead> :P
20:39 <Ampera> more than my car
20:54 <Ampera> I think mine is around 170, probably at the crank
20:56 <MrMobodies> just seen your link?
21:10 <MrMobodies> is that mobile broadband?
21:32 <Ampera> yeah, in a bathroom, in a house with a shit reception
22:12 <Ampera> my actual FttP speed is around 600/1000
22:25 <MrMobodies> lovelly
22:47 <Ampera> and in a good spot my phone can get 500/50
22:54 <MrMobodies> download 1 600mb cd a second
23:22 <Ampera> no, that's bytes not bits
23:23 <MrMobodies> and the wifi radio is goot too
23:26 <MrMobodies> oh
23:50 <MrMobodies> silly me 100m ebaytes a second or so download
24:00 <Ampera> 500/8
24:11 <Ampera> damn, should have put a calculator in my bot
24:26 <Ampera> 62.5
24:50 <Ampera> so a 600MB CD would be around 10 seconds
24:56 <rust_collector> mourning, people
25:10 <Ampera> rust_collector, who died?
25:17 <MrMobodies> i always seem to have the habbit of estimate it wrong.
25:50 <rust_collector> thomas died.
26:09 <MrMobodies> an animal or a human?
26:12 <Ampera> fuck thomas
26:18 <Ampera> sounds like a right cunt
26:27 <rust_collector> at least I got a text saying "thank you for the flowers blahblah for thomas funeral" I dunno who it is, but..
27:22 <Ampera> oh that's nice you got flowers for his funeral though
27:36 <rust_collector> I guess
27:36 <Ampera> you're even thoughtful for the terrible
27:40 <Ampera> god bless you
27:51 <rust_collector> hmm, that van halen guy died.... that is a thing
28:04 <rust_collector> uuh, and there was perhaps 3 or 4 more
30:55 <MrMobodies> so someone that you didn't know thank you for sending flowers.
32:33 <MrMobodies> I have a coffee urge so that means it's coffee time
36:48 <rust_collector> yes. I have no idea who they are
37:04 <rust_collector> I have coffee, so that means it is coffee time
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43:18 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/763531855831498803/20201007_184248.jpg
43:53 <rust_collector> what terrible god?
44:04 <rust_collector> was thomas a god?
44:20 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/763532103463731231/20201007_184349.jpg
49:18 * T3sl4 meows at Ampera
54:24 <MrMobodies> is that your cat?
55:25 <Ampera> It is.
55:27 <MrMobodies> I noticed the carpet looks really nice like woolen.
55:48 <Ampera> it's not
55:55 <MrMobodies> oh
55:57 <Ampera> just a cheap-ish area rug
56:04 <Ampera> likely plastic
56:26 <MrMobodies> the appearance deceived me
56:38 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/763535247210971156/20201007_185619.jpg
57:33 <MrMobodies> It looks flat but I still like the appearance
57:57 <MrMobodies> and your cat looked to me like it was waiting for you to give commands in the first picture.
58:54 <MrMobodies> what type of cat is it though? it's eye shape looks a bit different
01:57 <MrMobodies> before I moved I had the neighbours one come round for food
02:00 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/2c4KWQa.jpg
02:10 <MrMobodies> it was a Russian blue
02:26 <MrMobodies> I was eating all my mums herbs
02:43 <MrMobodies> so I told it off, it came in one day and I introduced it to tuna as i was eating some
02:53 <MrMobodies> after that it came every day begging
03:08 <MrMobodies> and it had these routines
03:30 <MrMobodies> eat tune, find somewhere to sleep, come back for more and wait outside for it's owner
04:15 <MrMobodies> that one sitting on the stoll looked like "I belong here"
07:17 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/HUpci3o
09:21 <T3sl4> the carpet looks a bit flat, i wonder if it could use a wash
13:19 <MrMobodies> I get mine down the charity shops when they suit me
13:27 <MrMobodies> but they need a lot of cleaning
13:56 <MrMobodies> but that one surprised me, it looks just as good as my woolen ones.
14:08 <MrMobodies> the appearance I mean
14:55 <T3sl4> neat
15:21 <T3sl4> oh, Amperug I mean
18:14 * electrohead offers Yuengling Hershey's Chocolate Porter beer
18:58 <Ampera> T3sl4 probably
19:09 <Ampera> MrMobodies, she's a mix of breeds
19:19 <T3sl4> electrohead: that sounds good
20:58 <MrMobodies> it looks content though as well
21:23 <MrMobodies> the russian blue cat was never content it wanted more and more food
21:36 <MrMobodies> and the one at the pub fights with the dog all day apparently when they're together
22:33 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingDerps/comments/j6ybcb/mind_control_cheese/ oh no, they've outed our secret wisconsin weapon
22:46 <electrohead> T3sl4: it's decent, not the best, but not the worst
23:26 <T3sl4> "hersheys" is dubious, perhaps excusable in a non-baked good
23:42 <MrMobodies> plastic cheese?
23:55 <electrohead> it does have the slight taste of a chocolate porter, which is impressive for yuengling (in my opinion)
24:17 <MrMobodies> I remembered Hersheys and the huge Nutbars from Canada
24:30 <MrMobodies> very addictive though
25:04 <electrohead> well, this has been our best seller for the past week and some, now
25:05 <MrMobodies> have one bar and I'd tempted to go through the whole lot
25:08 <electrohead> people are going crazy over it
25:19 <electrohead> over/for it*
26:34 <MrMobodies> I wonder: was that dog about to get it's tongue out to try and lap up the cheese.
32:30 <T3sl4> well, since we can read its mind, it was about to [REDACTED]
33:23 <electrohead> lol
43:54 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
44:57 * T3sl4 slaps Ampera with a slice of cheese
45:21 * Ampera noms the cheese mid-slap
56:07 <T3sl4> you fool! now i can control your real mind! by which i mean your stomach! mwahaha!
44:01 <arch> T3sl4 i obliterated the diarrhea into useful FeCl3 :D
44:10 <T3sl4> i heard
44:16 <arch> it's so cool
44:39 <arch> man, college never let you do anything cool or dangerous (in undergrad at least)
44:39 <T3sl4> yeah, it dissolves slowly so you probably end up putting in too much HCl, and then it smells, and also corrodes everything metal because the fumes go everywhere
45:16 <T3sl4> idunno, ether is cool and dangerous, in that order
45:17 <arch> i have it covered with a lid. i'll let the hcl do its thing on the copperclads
45:44 <T3sl4> also, there was a chemistry dept symposium thingy i went to where the inorg prof had prepared some nitrogen triiodide
45:45 <arch> perhaps i should put this tray outside...it's under my bed right now
45:50 <T3sl4> so i know what that sounds like
45:55 <rust_collector> hmm, are you using hcl and that hair stuff?
45:56 <arch> i dont want it to rust any nuts and bolts and smash my bed
46:13 <T3sl4> FeOOH: *rust_collector has entered the chat*
46:29 * arch pours some HCl onto rust_collector's rust collection
46:36 <rust_collector> thanks!
46:42 <arch> now you dont have rust anymore
46:58 <rust_collector> it will be back, better and stronger in no time
47:06 <T3sl4> and in greater numbers!
47:26 <T3sl4> it's probably a good idea to, say, store HCl and all that in a sealed tub, with some moist sodium carbonate, to absorb the fumes
47:36 <T3sl4> since the bottle leaks it too
47:51 <arch> i have the container outside in a HDPE drum
48:12 <T3sl4> good
48:12 <arch> but yes, i'll add some baking soda
48:41 <T3sl4> i managed to cause many things in my parents house to rust, despite doing my experiments in just the basement
48:47 <arch> i also have a container of ferric chloride inside the same drum. that's not gonna cause problems, right?
49:10 <T3sl4> they all give off a little HCl, good idea putting them all in there yeah
49:41 <arch> fecl3 container is 2 liter bottle, and i got 1 liter bottle of 32% HCL for $20 (bargain, free ship too)
50:16 <rust_collector> I like boats
50:28 <arch> why not turtles?
50:29 <T3sl4> it's favored because FeCl3 + H2O <--> FeOOH + HCl is driven to the right by release of gaseous HCl, while everything else is liquid or solid; and FeOOH is particularly stable at that
50:55 <rust_collector> I remember when you just got a set of pans or a knife for free when you bought something
51:00 <T3sl4> thats not really a bargain, that's a terrible price for muriatic
51:08 <T3sl4> but you dont need a whole lot so who cares
51:30 <arch> yeaaa, i didn't wanna spend $40 on a gallon, and then be screwed if i had a leak lol
51:44 <arch> $40 for 1 gallon 37% HCl
52:37 <T3sl4> dont remember what it is here, havent looked in ages
52:47 <T3sl4> i'd be shocked if it's that much, dunno
53:58 <rust_collector> hmm, good night. wife says I have stuff to do tomorrow
54:27 <T3sl4> sour dreams, rusty
54:38 <T3sl4> because acid is sour, and sour makes rust
55:54 <arch> soooo i believe the reason i ended up with the diarrhea in the tray is: 2FeCl2 + CuCl2 + 3H2O → Fe2O3 + Cu + 6HCl
56:01 <arch> excess water
56:07 <arch> in the used ferric bath
56:50 <arch> diarrhea i'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/JAwXKbE.jpg
58:50 <T3sl4> that doesnt balance
59:39 <arch> https://www.chemicalaid.com/tools/equationbalancer.php?equation=FeCl2+%2B+CuCl2+%2B+H2O+%3D+Fe2O3+%2B+Cu+%2B+HCl
59:48 <arch> thats what the site says
59:58 <T3sl4> it's pushing atoms but it doesn't know how they stick
00:26 <T3sl4> you have Fe(III) and Cu(0) on the right and Fe(II) and Cu(II) on the left
00:32 <T3sl4> it proceeds to the left if anything
01:01 <arch> naruhodo
01:05 <T3sl4> i mean Fe2O3 + 6HCl <--> 2 FeCl3 + 3 H2O
01:07 * arch notes down to obtain a chem textbook
01:21 <T3sl4> if you're just rearranging atoms you're really just saying you have liquid ferric chloride on the right
01:44 <T3sl4> and you already know its reaction with Cu(0) proceeds heavily to the left :)
02:13 <arch> damn, so that's wrong answer on the site?
03:00 <T3sl4> GIGO
03:12 <arch> whatssat mean
04:13 <T3sl4> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage#Passages_from_the_Life_of_a_Philosopher_(1864)
04:16 <T3sl4> the top one
04:26 <arch> 4FeCl2 + 4HCl + O2 → 4FeCl3 + 2H2O is another reaction on the site. does that mean i have to bubble my bath to use up the remaining HCl?
05:40 <T3sl4> you have to bubble to use up the remaining Fe(II)
06:06 <T3sl4> once it's all Fe(III) there's just acid, orange solution, and whatever copper is left
06:26 <T3sl4> the roman numeral is about the electrons
06:59 <arch> yeee, i shall need to order a chem textbook to review everything :D
07:59 <T3sl4> it's only counting the atoms on both sides and tweaking the coefficients until it works, or presumably emitting an error if you left something out
08:22 <T3sl4> it doesn't care what the atoms are, what they do
08:36 <arch> in other words, don't count on that calculator
09:06 <T3sl4> not at all
09:12 <T3sl4> count on it for what it does
09:45 <T3sl4> what it does not do, is redox, or anything about solubility or free energy
10:04 <T3sl4> you're reducing Fe(III) to Fe(II), and oxidizing Cu(0) to Cu(II)
10:15 <T3sl4> the electrons need to balance just as the atoms do
10:29 <arch> chem was my worst subject, so im gonna have to basically revisit everything from scratch ._.
10:43 <T3sl4> really, the worst part is putting an arrow there, implying direction
11:27 <T3sl4> you can have atoms on either side, and maybe there's some case where those combinations occur, and there's some relationship between them, and perhaps you can shift the equilibrium from one side to the other depending
12:15 <T3sl4> simple case being dis/charging a battery, it's the same reaction but it only proceeds while electrons flow between the terminals, and the direction of reaction equals the direction of electrical current
12:32 <T3sl4> the same reaction charging or discharging, i mean
12:52 <arch> that amkes sense
13:26 <T3sl4> which, if you put a graphite plate into the solution and tied a wire to the PCB being etched, you'd measure the about 0.8V i think that that very reaction generates
13:42 <T3sl4> though i don't know how much of it you can actually use, since it proceeds pretty damn well on its own, without completing a circuit
13:55 <T3sl4> maybe it's just a battery with really fast self discharge :P
14:28 <T3sl4> so you need to recharge it, putting Fe(II) back to Fe(III), and you use an oxidizer, like elemental oxygen oddly enough :) to do that
14:54 <arch> that was a truly fun little experiment. right now im making an FFC LVDS cable to 2.54mm pinheader adapter for a sharp LCD panel. gonna need it to connect into a V59 universal LCD driver board
14:58 <T3sl4> would be nice also to remove the copper, but that's a more involved process
15:04 <arch> that makes sense about the oxygen oxidizer
15:48 <arch> i think manufacturers should be obligated to release schematics for consumer goods after a maximum of 10 years
16:03 <arch> i had to search for hours and hours just to find leaked schematics and shit
16:16 <arch> and had to spend 2 days probing signals on the TV
17:17 <arch> god bless the russian/chinese/vietnamese hackers and spies. doing god's work.
18:20 <arch> the harder it is for me to find schematics for a product, the less likely i am to buy that company's products in the future
19:55 <arch> i recommend everyone make a webdump of this site: http://www.frankshospitalworkshop.com/equipment.html
20:06 <arch> schematics for all sorts of medical devices
20:44 <T3sl4> oh, too bad mine's for NEC https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/LCDHeaderAdapter.jpg https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/LCDHeaderAdapter2.jpg
21:20 <arch> you are lucky your TV has 2.54 pinheaders...mine is 41 pin FFC LVDS with connectors that cost $7/pop
24:18 <T3sl4> no, i mean i made the adapter and SMT'd it in place of the 1.25mm pitch JST connector it had
24:58 <T3sl4> also wouldn't make much of a TV https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DisplayFirstLight.jpg
25:11 <T3sl4> well, it could if the MCU were worth any IO bandwidth
27:14 <arch> how did you connect the SMD pads to the JST SMD pads?
27:24 <arch> board edge to edge soldering?
30:00 <T3sl4> managed to find datasheets for almost everything in the project, so i just took the footprint from the connector they used (found its datasheet), and put that on the bottom of a small PCB
31:55 <T3sl4> cool fact, it's also my first board with castellated holes
34:34 <arch> cool. unfortunately i can't do that route because the pin spacing is 0.5mm or less. i figure it will be less risky to mess with the tcon board directly
35:28 <arch> i have to buy this, it's not $7, it's $3. but the male one is $7.https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/jae-electronics/FI-RE41S-HF-R1500/1283336
35:32 <T3sl4> i wonder if the pinout is almost the defacto standard 45 pin one
35:42 <T3sl4> just use a 45 pin connector and shove it to one side
36:15 <T3sl4> oh right it was a jae connector on this, not jst
36:17 <T3sl4> but whatever
40:10 <arch> yeah i could do that, but that would involve my desoldering the current JAE header. increased risk lol. i dont want to destroy the TCON :D
40:24 <arch> ok ima go play some games, laters
40:31 <T3sl4> o/
40:44 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Connection closed
09:53 * steve30 meows at T3sl4 
10:12 * T3sl4 sprinkles solder paste on steve30
12:44 <steve30> 60/40 I hope
15:00 <T3sl4> 63/37, none of that inferior shit
26:48 <electrohead> lol
26:50 <electrohead> o/
31:53 * T3sl4 fluxes electrohead
33:01 * electrohead gets brave and throws lead-free solder at T3sl4
33:09 <electrohead> I would never do that, though
33:11 <electrohead> lol
33:13 <electrohead> hahahaha
33:46 <T3sl4> i think i removed a bunch of it recently
34:08 <electrohead> I *always* have to flow leaded solder into components on most PCBs, just to get shit to fucking remove for me
34:09 <T3sl4> i was melting all my extra solder into a blob, and noticed this one made a creaking sound and feel when bent
34:11 <electrohead> >.<
34:47 <steve30> mmm, 63/37
34:55 <steve30> As long as its not lead free rubbish
35:20 <steve30> I used to like melting solder into a blob :D
35:40 <electrohead> I do understand that lead can be dangerous, but... holy fucking shit balls
35:48 <electrohead> literally, balls, like y'all just said
35:58 <electrohead> solder balls/blobs
36:10 <electrohead> then you add flux
36:14 <electrohead> and more flux.
36:16 <electrohead> and more flux.
36:18 <electrohead> :O
36:25 * electrohead strangles all of it
36:34 * steve30 sprinkles rosin on electrohead 
36:44 * electrohead gets cancer
37:33 <T3sl4> rosin is the least toxic part of soldering, ironically enough
37:47 <DHess_US> https://i.redd.it/gny6lj8i0sr51.jpg
38:01 <T3sl4> idunno what it breaks down into when cooked, i guess, but it's basically edible otherwise
38:11 <electrohead> DHess_US: lol!
38:18 <T3sl4> lead free flux is usually a more synthetic blend though and i wouldn't recommend it ;)
38:45 <T3sl4> DHess_US: well, it would be more unifying than what we have now
39:04 <electrohead> I'd rather get cancer than advanced cancer
40:56 <electrohead> DHess_US: best part of that movie was when the entire court room got fried by the laser/whatever-it-was
41:23 <electrohead> *zap* *poof* gone.
41:25 <T3sl4> i'd eat your cancer, but you need to turn back first, and also lock me in a box the shape of a heart
41:47 <electrohead> hahaha
59:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Well, shit. SETI Just Searched 10 Million Stars For Alien Civilizations...Found Nothing https://t.co/udtaGwZicM
00:04 <steve30> meow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrvFRMuVto
18:24 <DHess_US> electrohead, I'm not sure about that. Congress got fried also.
18:54 <DHess_US> When I saw ID4 in theaters, people cheered when the White House was destroyued.
19:10 <electrohead> ahh, that was the scene in question?
19:20 <DHess_US> I think so.
19:53 <electrohead> I just remember the alien dudes going 'ack ack ack' and then, *poof*, everyone was burned to a crisp
20:02 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k8YpQKzl_k
21:35 <electrohead> yes, that's the scene :D
21:40 <electrohead> thank you
21:48 <electrohead> it's been a while and a day, since I've seen that
22:35 <DHess_US> People in the theater cheered, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eujwxh_r43E
24:08 <electrohead> good stuff
24:14 <electrohead> how you doing?
26:06 <DHess_US> I found a case for my new computer. It only took days.
26:17 <DHess_US> Everything is trashy gamer cases.
27:20 <electrohead> Heh, I need to start planning on a new desktop/workstation build
27:46 <DHess_US> I'm replacing my Phenom 2 940 with 8GB ECC system.
28:12 <DHess_US> Needed a case which would hold at least 8x3.5 drives, which is hard to find these days.
28:38 <electrohead> Damn straight it is
29:08 <electrohead> I got a full rack mount server for a damn good price on ebay, which has 8x2.5 drives
29:22 <electrohead> still sitting in my bedroom, though >.<
29:58 <electrohead> mainly because I need a proper rack mount system in my back room, that will fit both the full size server, plus my networking gear
30:17 <electrohead> will take some time and money to get to that point, but can't wait for that to happen
30:44 <DHess_US> I was considering refurbishing my old Chenbro case, https://web.archive.org/web/20150516000037/http://www.coolcases.com/cases/sr103207_s_p1.html
31:25 <electrohead> woah!
31:33 <DHess_US> Buy 3 or 4 2 x 5.25 to 3 x 3.5 raid cages for it.
31:36 <electrohead> ok, I know exactly what that is
31:50 <DHess_US> Too bad they don't make those anymore.
32:18 <electrohead> correction - quality isn't made anymore =\
32:33 <electrohead> well, unless you spend money, plus an arm and a leg
32:53 <DHess_US> Decided this will work, https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-xl-r2/black-pearl/
33:56 <electrohead> ok, that's sexy
33:58 <electrohead> :P
34:42 <DHess_US> This could work also, https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-7-xl/black/
35:53 <electrohead> Yeah man, I'm thinking I'll need at least 3-4 grand to build a decent new server/workstatiion
36:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Greg Bell: @Chris_Gammell @DigilentInc @ContextualElec Ever think about how an LED observed by a webcam is just a giant opto-isolator?
36:17 <DHess_US> This one won't be much more than $1000
36:39 <DHess_US> The only question now is if I wait for Ryzen 3 to be released.
37:28 <electrohead> the zen 3 series?
38:01 <DHess_US> The 3rd generation of Zen
38:05 <electrohead> I haven't been keeping completely up to date on the latest and greatest, so forgive my ignorance
38:16 <electrohead> ok
38:37 <DHess_US> https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen_3
40:02 <DHess_US> It is suppose to be released before the end of the year.
40:05 <electrohead> Us humans are amazing
42:19 <electrohead> 5 nm lithography has begun within the past year
42:26 <electrohead> fucking nuts.
51:12 <Nothing\> man
52:20 <Nothing\> there's this indie android game i played a few years back. Damned if I can remember what it was called
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03:07 <givingtnt> Hi yall
03:16 <givingtnt> I just couldn't resist.. I had to make this into a gif:
03:17 <givingtnt> https://j.gifs.com/91KZv4.gif
03:42 <steve30> mmm, heatsink :p
08:57 <T3sl4> givingtnt: would be a perfect loop, on the right frame i think
09:30 * T3sl4 hugs at Nothing\
14:12 <givingtnt> perhapos
14:14 <givingtnt> perhaps
14:26 <givingtnt> but I'm also lazy lol
19:36 <T3sl4> true dat
24:58 <electrohead> you can do it
52:27 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQSsgNPdQIw
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53:43 <T3sl4> well fuck
57:29 <electrohead> I'm trying to get this down on guitar, but I should probably see a doctor about my carpal tunnel >.<
06:09 <T3sl4> yeah, that would be a problem
07:23 <hsn> oh yeah i think i made usefull comment in eevblog finaally
08:51 <hsn> T3sl4: i wanted to say yes its fine .. just calculate the output current by i was afraid some pro will come and crush my opinion and say i understand nothing xD https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/is-there-any-issue-with-using-a-voltage-reference-as-the-supply-to-op-amps/
09:02 <hsn> but i was**
09:29 * T3sl4 cracks knuckles
09:58 <hsn> u dnt do that in front of me
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11:48 <T3sl4> so, if it goes into the ADC pin and nothing else, there's probably very little load
11:55 <T3sl4> ADC pin is usually some megohms at DC
12:18 <T3sl4> so it'll be fine from a 2mA ref
22:34 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/j6yy7h/an_australian_hobby_falcon_devouring_someones/
08:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! Bathurst Rail Museum - Model Railroad https://t.co/I0juiPOWfB
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31:52 <NeroTHz> monin
33:35 <T3sl4> 'lo
34:35 <NeroTHz> I´ve caved and gone back to chapter 1 of Gray and Meyer
34:39 <NeroTHz> transistors make my head hurt
34:47 <NeroTHz> but you know what makes my head hurt even more
34:49 <NeroTHz> CADENCE
35:04 * steve30 passes NeroTHz a valve
35:07 <NeroTHz> spent all day yesterday trying to get the PDK to work, still didn´t manage to get it going
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45:51 <Guest|21063> I am deaf. Capti
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01:44 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
02:17 <steve30> hi
03:15 <damian> HALO FRND
17:02 * steve30 meows
23:29 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
23:33 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir too
26:25 * Halcyon hugs all
26:29 * Halcyon gropes damian 
26:54 * T3sl4 slaps Halcyon
39:23 * Ysjoelfir hugs everyone
39:35 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30 in addition to that
39:55 * steve30 purrs
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49:54 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoTzkCeO-A
50:02 <Halcyon> Why would anyone cancel a movie for this?
51:07 <steve30> to see girls in skimpy outfits?
51:28 <Halcyon> The guys have way too many clothes on
56:20 <steve30> i need to make a doctors appointment
57:45 <Halcyon> OK? I hope everything is OK
57:49 <Halcyon> *Oh
58:33 <steve30> Just need to discuss usual long term medical stuff
59:56 <Halcyon> xo
00:57 <Halcyon> That sales guy is so gay: https://youtu.be/eACEHVceYl0?t=146
01:47 <steve30> I saw that last week. He's cute
02:46 <Halcyon> He's OK
15:42 <rust_collector> mornings
15:48 <Halcyon> Hey rusty
16:11 <rust_collector> zzzz yes yes, I am here
16:15 <rust_collector> zzzzz
17:51 <rust_collector> well, I hope you have a nice special day down there
24:14 <Halcyon> I have to be up at 0330 tomorrow
24:15 <Halcyon> Yuck
25:24 <rust_collector> Wife ordered a my mot retest today, and told me last night... i should not have been awake now
26:16 <rust_collector> otoh, I have to get up "early tomorrow too, so I guess it will be ok
26:34 <Ysjoelfir> is it one of those "I had 2 hours of sleep"-days? :P
27:24 <rust_collector> no, I went to bed around 3.30, but it does feel like it
28:37 <rust_collector> I actually woke up because the neighbors "boyfriend" came with his noisy car.
29:08 <rust_collector> the guy is about to retire, but they act like they are 17, lol
29:20 <Ysjoelfir> He had to proove his worthiness!
29:24 <rust_collector> yeah
29:57 <rust_collector> he has an audi s8. that thing sounds pretty mean. I can almost forgive it for being an audi
32:56 <Halcyon> Pfft, Volkswagen
33:17 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
33:26 <rust_collector> I know, but still.
33:49 <Halcyon> Not as bad as Subaru drivers though
34:33 <rust_collector> maybe not as bad as the drivers, no.
35:22 <rust_collector> and it actually sounds ok, just loud. not like a fishing boat of speed, like the subaru does
36:46 <rust_collector> and it does not need a turbo to get its 450 hp, even if I think it does need a turbo
38:48 <Ysjoelfir> The volvo starts to sound like a Diesel. No idea if thats a particularely good thing though
39:18 <rust_collector> all the time, or when it is cold, or?
39:46 <Ysjoelfir> when its cold it has a knocking rod. or maybe its the valves, I'm not sure
40:40 <rust_collector> that is not ideal
40:50 <steve30> Halcyon, why do you need to be up?
41:04 <Halcyon> Oh, executing a search warrant tomorrow
41:11 <Halcyon> But they want to do it early
42:15 * steve30 wraps halcyon up in a duvet
46:09 <Halcyon> :D
46:18 <Halcyon> Need to have dinner first
46:57 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, is it a proper knocking sound, or does it have a more dull sound?
48:19 <Ysjoelfir> its a real knock. sounds realy like an old diesel.
49:47 <rust_collector> hmm. pull the spark leads, one by one, and see if it stops.
50:18 <Ysjoelfir> you mean its running on 3 cylinders only?
50:58 <rust_collector> no, but if you do not load it, it could make it quiet. at least then you know where the problem is
51:07 <Ysjoelfir> oh, I see
51:46 <Ysjoelfir> like if there is no backpressure from the combustion a potentially bad rod bearing would not knock as its just getting "dragged along"
52:02 <rust_collector> but the cranks on those are pretty hard. I would probably look at a set of rod bearings
52:03 <rust_collector> yes
52:37 <rust_collector> well, if it is really bad..... but it should be a little bit better anyway
53:01 <Ysjoelfir> I'll try that when I start it the next time :)
53:43 <rust_collector> but the cranks on those things are pretty hard. I would consider doing the main and rod bearings, just to get the pressure up again. Maybe you shoudl have the oil pressure checked
55:24 <rust_collector> well, maybe you could get away with just one rod bearing. but when you have it open...
56:03 <rust_collector> or maybe i have to find an audi a8 engine you can stick in it
56:38 <Ysjoelfir> XD
57:24 <Ysjoelfir> I would find a place to fix that anyway first. A friend of me has a garage with a hole under it. maybe thats a place where I could do that
57:49 <Ysjoelfir> *would need to find...
58:40 <rust_collector> yeah. I am not really sure if you can get the pan out without a lot of weirdness. it could be easier to lift the engine a bit
59:55 <rust_collector> well, everything would be much easier with the engine out. but mmmh.
01:20 <rust_collector> it could be that you could get away with hanging the engine from a beam between the fenders, and drop the subframe enough to get in there
01:56 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: PCB Design in Libre Office Calc! https://t.co/ACRwejV0W1
03:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: PCB Design in Libre Office Calc! https://t.co/ACRwejV0W1 https://t.co/71IkJ7i7e1
03:38 <rust_collector> heh, that looks... like a thing
05:05 <rust_collector> well, I have to go get the coroller tested. this will be interesting
18:16 <Ysjoelfir> Getting the oil pan out of there is nearly impossible without lifting the motor :X or dropping the front axle afaik. which is why this is scaring me a bit^^
49:11 <hsn> rustyyyyyyyyyyyyys
01:10 <Ysjoelfir> he's gone
34:27 <rust_collector> what?
46:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So I get this message from @MYOB They shut down my account & said I requested it, I didn't. My credit card was changed & failed payment & they didn't inform me, so shut me down after two attempts. And their system won't let me back pay it to re-enable it! What a crock of shit. https://t.co/G95wz7jBb0
47:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And the @MYOB live chat system ended a second after it started. Double crock of shit. https://t.co/3MGUiZ95qC
02:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: What the actual fuck @MYOB You are an ONLINE accounting system and you don't retain backups? And you may take steps to permanently delete all my finance and tax records after a "short period" because YOU failed to notify me of non-payment? How are you still in business? https://t.co/zsEa0yoS2B
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04:35 <rust_collector> maybe mr dave is a bit annoyed today..
05:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: AND you @myob won't let me access my data in order to back it up. AND you won't let me back-pay the invoices to get my account access back. Again, how are you still in this business?
06:52 <rust_collector> why does he want them to tell him how they are still in business?
08:01 <coppice> "How are you still in business?" - the VC cash hasn't run out yet would be the obvious answer
08:33 <K> implies they are clueless and not very smart
10:32 * electrohead yawns and waves
11:37 * electrohead sprinkles rust on rust_collector
11:52 <rust_collector> morning mr head
12:02 <K> spawns and yikes
12:25 <electrohead> morning, how goes it, today?
13:11 <rust_collector> well, I was up too early, and went to retest the car, which failed a little bit. still waiting for the coffee to start working
13:41 <electrohead> damn, what failed?
14:03 <rust_collector> headlight adjusters do not adjust anything, and the handbrake is a bit meh
14:08 <electrohead> I may be replacing my main serpentine belt today in my car, going to look online and see how easy/hard it is for my make and model of car
14:17 <rust_collector> nothing too serious.
14:22 <rust_collector> uhm, what car?
14:31 <electrohead> 2005 subaru WRX
14:43 <rust_collector> oh, that is no problem. just do it
14:43 * electrohead un-meh's your handbrake
14:54 <electrohead> lol :p
15:09 <electrohead> well, just hoping I don't have to rip much of anything out just to replace the damn thing
15:21 <rust_collector> no, it should be fairly easy on those
15:30 <electrohead> oh, cool, ok thanks
16:36 <rust_collector> I do not really remember what they use to tension the belt on those, but other than that, it is pretty straight forward
17:49 <electrohead> is it doable from the top, or do I need to get it on a lift?
17:58 <electrohead> (that's what she said)
18:00 <rust_collector> no, all from the top
18:10 <electrohead> alright that works, thanks man
18:23 <rust_collector> there is a small plastic cover on the top, then you can get in there just fine
18:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Aaaand @MYOB just deleted my post on their Facebook page complaining about it.
19:01 <rust_collector> uhm, let me think a little bit
19:11 <electrohead> no plastic cover on mine, so I have to not worry about that
19:52 <rust_collector> hmmm, does it have one or two belts? IIrc, some had a separate belt for the ac, or something.
20:20 <electrohead> yeah I had to take the AC belt off some years ago
20:27 <electrohead> so only one for right now
21:41 <rust_collector> ok, then my list would (from memory) be 12mm socket, extension and ratchet, penetrating oil, belt, wire brush
23:04 <rust_collector> I believe the tensioner is on the alternator, so you see it from the top. loosen both bolts, then slack of the adjuster, and just push the alternator down
24:02 <rust_collector> unless yours has some kind of springen cuckoo clock mechanism
25:50 <rust_collector> but clean your pulleys before you put the new belt on. they tend to have old belt pieces stuck in the grooves
30:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And for those playing along at home, @MYOB is the system recommended by the @ato_gov_au because it's integrated into their systems.
31:32 <rust_collector> electrohead, get it done. when you are ready to replace the clutch, you can ask...some time when I am on vacation
33:51 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
36:22 <electrohead> ok cool, thank you
36:28 <electrohead> and, lol about the clutch :P
36:31 * electrohead hugs Ampera
38:08 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
43:11 <electrohead> pretty good, man
43:19 <electrohead> just about to go start working on my car here in a bit
43:21 <electrohead> how about you?
43:49 <electrohead> rust_collector: I just pulled a video up about the belt, three bolts total, and like you said, seems easy versus other cars I've worked on
44:14 <Ampera> electrohead, alright I suppose
44:50 <rust_collector> well, that is the one simple thing about subarus.
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