// #d&d — 2012-11-11
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00:02:14 <Mekkis> wow
00:02:22 <Mekkis> do large camels have 10' reach?
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05:31:21 <N2H4> No, Mekkis.
05:31:32 <N2H4> Theres large (long) and large (tall)
05:31:49 <N2H4> only (tall) has the 10' reach.
06:28:04 <Avatar> I thought that wasn't the case in pathfinder
06:28:12 <Avatar> ie. no large long/tal
06:29:55 <N2H4> So your horse has a 10' reach too?
06:33:44 <Avatar> oh no, it does exist
06:33:50 <Avatar> table 8-4
06:34:11 <Avatar> did it exist in d&d
06:36:43 <N2H4> 3.5, yes.
06:36:48 <N2H4> No idea on older versions.
06:37:55 <N2H4> Whats funny though, is that I think Mekkis is right, and while the horse listing clearly states the melee range as 5', the camel has no specific note for this. And it just says large. So the obvious answer is 10' reach.
07:04:48 <Sn0uu> nooooo they're getting rid of the blood razors?
07:13:44 <Avatar> what's a blood razor
07:29:07 <N2H4> Yep.
07:29:15 <N2H4> Replacing it with BotRK.
07:29:22 <N2H4> Which is a good move. Madred's sucks.
07:29:46 <Sn0uu> -_-
07:29:51 <Sn0uu> I likew it
07:29:59 <N2H4> What, you disagree?
07:30:02 <N2H4> Its a trap, man.
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07:31:19 <Avatar> ???
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07:53:35 <S711> Your thoughts on Skyfall?
07:57:38 <Sn0uu> too expensive
07:57:45 <Avatar> hmmm
07:57:59 <Avatar> I didn't realise meteor hammer give a +1 shield bonus while you're not using it as a double weapon
07:58:02 <Avatar> that is kind of important
08:03:52 <S711> Sn0uu: Skyfall was created because the studios behind the franchise are in major financial crap.
08:04:08 <S711> And it shows, in my opinion. It was a way to pay debts.
08:04:40 <S711> It wasn't about moviemaking.
08:05:27 <S711> Like Craig said in interviews, the product placement and that stuff, it was embarrassing, but the money had to come from somewhere.
08:06:04 <S711> Worst Bond movie to date, except for that one with Dalton perhaps.
08:06:29 <S711> That said, Javier, the actor who played the bad guy, he was brilliant.
08:06:47 <S711> Adele did herself a real favor, also, nice song.
08:07:08 <S711> Favour.
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08:13:25 <Avatar> rotten tomatoes gives skyfall 93%
08:48:43 <S711> Yes, high rating on IMDb as well.
08:49:13 <S711> I questioned the validity of the reviews for a second, back when the first few hundred were posted.
08:49:31 <S711> People seem to like Skyfall, I don't know what to make of that.
08:49:56 <S711> Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were so good and had a strong story going on.
08:55:44 <Ballig> lying in bed, totally snoozing. "Oh crap, what time is it?!"
08:55:48 <Ballig> good thing I've run WBG before
08:56:15 <Ballig> oh, looks like the third dropped out anyway
08:59:13 <Avatar> good one mamou
08:59:31 <Avatar> avro isn't here either, he messaged me on skype at 3am asking for a chronicle sheet
08:59:39 <Avatar> wasn't on when I woke up
09:01:10 <Ballig> brbrbrbrb
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11:42:20 <Mekkis> Ballig, just a FYI. There's been a ruling that mounts can't use Muleback Cords
11:42:49 <Ballig> the FAQ says that animal companions can generally only use barding and a neck slot
11:43:12 <Mekkis> indeed. Muleback cords are a shoulder slot item
11:43:24 <Mekkis> Avatar's been pestering me about it
11:44:37 <Ballig> ha
11:44:42 <Ballig> you'll just have to prepare ant haul
11:44:46 <Mekkis> I do
11:45:41 <Mekkis> and make sure I'm not carrying anything that weighs anything
12:08:13 <Mekkis> The end user MUST USE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS when unpacking and using this magnet.
12:08:13 <Mekkis> Remove all metal objects within a 5 foot radius before unpacking.
12:09:17 <Mekkis> how the hell do you ship those things
12:10:27 <Brunius> Steel box?
12:11:03 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Neodymium-Magnet-6-x-4-x-2-inch-Block-N48-HUGE-/120506978928?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c0ec69270
12:11:20 <Mekkis> you know you want one
12:33:05 <Brunius> I also know I don't have $1000 to drop on a magnet
12:33:21 <Mekkis> chances are you wouldn't get the $1000 off again!
12:33:38 <Ballig> really? what have you been spending all your magnet money on?
12:33:50 <Brunius> Conventions
12:36:28 <Mekkis> is there going to be PFS at cancon?
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12:41:17 <Sn0uu> night
12:43:17 <Sn0uu> $1000?
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16:40:27 <N2H4> That is hilarious, Mek.
16:40:40 <N2H4> If you shipped it in a steel box.. you'd never get it out of the box.
16:41:08 <N2H4> I'm pretty sure I'd manage to shatter the magnet, my hand, or both within an hour if I had one.
16:41:16 <Brunius> I kinda want to get one just to see how they deliver it
16:42:13 <N2H4> my father has a pair of cylinder ones about 2" long and 1" across.
16:42:22 <N2H4> He keeps them in a padded wooden box.
16:43:20 <N2H4> I messed with them once. But not for very long. I got the feeling I would either have them snap together and break or snap together and break my thumb.
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18:51:14 <Avatar> yo
18:51:21 <Ballig> did you GM
18:52:35 <Avatar> nope
18:52:43 <Avatar> and I won't have to GM it for at least another 3 weeks
18:52:53 <Ballig> did you get your party killed again
18:52:56 <Ballig> while running away
18:53:04 <Avatar> also I might have recruited one of them
18:53:08 <Ballig> nice work
18:53:12 <Avatar> thx alot
18:54:10 <Ballig> so that was a "yes" to getting your party killed again?
18:55:35 <Avatar> what, no
18:55:44 <Avatar> it was a cakewalk, we played optimised at tier 1-2
18:55:55 <Ballig> were you the only survivor
18:55:56 <Avatar> didn't have a choice RAW apparently
18:55:59 <Avatar> no shut up
19:04:54 <Avatar> failed my faction mission :(
19:05:09 <N2H4> Faction missions are stupid.
19:05:12 <Avatar> I'm finding keeping faction missions secret is really quite detrimental to the faction
19:05:54 <Avatar> unless it specifically tells you to, of course
19:06:32 <N2H4> Faction missions are classist!
19:07:00 <Avatar> I failed mine on a DC 20 roll and I'd already used my shirt reroll
19:07:19 <Avatar> I likely would have succeeded if I asked for party help, but I didn't because I thought well it's a faction mission and all sorts of other shit was going on
19:07:25 <Ballig> yeah, DC 20 skill is really hard to do at level 1-2
19:07:25 <Avatar> but that is retardotron thinking
19:07:33 <Ballig> unless it's a skill you have
19:07:34 <Avatar> I only needed a 13 or higher
19:07:47 <Avatar> I'm a bard
19:07:54 <N2H4> 13 or higher is Not even 50/50 odds. Would you bet on that?
19:08:06 <Avatar> it's still pretty decent
19:08:11 <Avatar> yeah I might bet on it
19:08:32 <Ballig> depends on what you cuold win
19:08:36 <Ballig> and what you have to bet
19:08:46 <Ballig> if it was "bet $10 and win $1000" I'd definitely bet on that
19:10:39 <N2H4> Still say faction missions are classist.
19:10:58 <Avatar> is that because they usually rely on skills and you usually have none
19:12:05 <N2H4> What percentage of faction missions involve skills on the fighter class list?
19:12:28 <Avatar> see that just adds to the reasoning that parties should work together to do faction missions
19:12:44 <Avatar> maybe that was the actual intention anyway
19:13:40 <N2H4> Then why make such a big noise about keeping them secret?
19:13:56 <N2H4> Hell, some faction missions require you to keep them secret, without telling you so in the first place.
19:19:08 <N2H4> But the thought that some classes in general are simply worse at completing faction missions than others, bothers me.
19:19:26 <Avatar> the initial idea was to always keep them secret? or so we understood it
19:19:37 <Avatar> that seems commonplace, but maybe it was a case of chinese whispers
19:20:06 <N2H4> you just said that maybe the intention was to work together.
19:25:04 <Avatar> yeah, but that's not what was understood
19:25:20 <Avatar> the idea that everyone was talking about was that they should be kept secret from other pathfinders
19:25:35 <Avatar> that's still the case now with every game I play in handing out missions
19:25:45 <Avatar> it's up to the player to tell what they want to tell
19:26:07 <Avatar> I'm speculating in saying maybe the intention was to work together
19:27:09 <Brunius> The older guides specifically mentioned that you were meant to keep them secret, didn't they
19:27:37 <Avatar> don't know
19:28:01 <Brunius> Also: In about two weeks, I'll be a learner driver. Anything I should really know?
19:28:16 <Avatar> don't hit other cars
19:28:25 <Brunius> Oh, thanks.
19:28:31 <Brunius> The vicroads guide didn't cover that
19:28:31 <N2H4> Or people.
19:28:33 <N2H4> Even old ladies.
19:28:39 <Brunius> The guide did cover people
19:28:39 <Avatar> keep a keen sense smell, look out for bacon
19:29:03 <Brunius> (I'm actually serious here. At no point did it mention that we were trying to avoid collisions with other cars)
19:29:25 <N2H4> But how far do you think instructions have to go?
19:29:33 <Avatar> the rules don't say it
19:29:35 <Brunius> RAW v RAI
19:29:36 <Avatar> you must be able to
19:29:42 <N2H4> Should a knife come with instructions too? "Avoid sticking this in your face"
19:29:53 <Avatar> natural selection
19:30:03 <Avatar> let's take the instructions off of everything I say
19:30:10 <Avatar> not the instructions, the warning labels
19:30:45 <Brunius> Aww that's natural selection, innit
19:31:10 <N2H4> Like that coffee is hot?
19:33:07 <Brunius> I should get a job.
19:33:19 <Brunius> N2H4: Write my resume.
19:33:28 <N2H4> No.
19:33:46 <Brunius> You're right, a job would probably require talking to people.
19:33:50 <Brunius> Screw talking to people.
19:33:59 <N2H4> Depends on the job.
19:34:18 <Brunius> I'm 16, how many jobs could I get that don't require talking to people
19:34:33 <Brunius> Well, 15 and 354 days
19:35:41 <Avatar> yeah get used to talking to people
19:38:11 <Ballig> at least people you're forced to work with
19:38:42 <Avatar> for the rest of your life
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20:50:23 <Mekkis> Brunius,
20:50:26 <Mekkis> http://www.galactanet.com/comic/view.php?strip=328
20:51:36 <Mekkis> Brunius, and I thought shelf-stacking at supermarkets didn't require much talking
20:54:05 <Ballig> you have to talk to your supervisor and coworkers
20:55:22 <Mekkis> true
20:55:39 <Mekkis> but it's better than needing to talk to any jerkface who can pick up a phone
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