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01:08:14 <Sn0uu> I'm back! :D
01:21:28 <Tashes> Hi!
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02:21:54 <Sn0uu> what are tashes?
02:22:15 <Tashes> I am!
02:22:22 <Sn0uu> ...ok
02:35:55 <Sn0uu> -plays with tashes-
02:36:20 <Sn0uu> hey, anyone wanna go dance on mort?
02:46:49 <Tashes> its mean to dance on people
02:46:51 <Tashes> even if they are rugs.
02:46:52 <Tashes> or lemurs
02:47:13 <Tashes> but she's fuzzy enough to wrap myself up in and watch farscape!
02:47:24 <Tashes> (totes inappropres
02:50:45 <Sn0uu> whats farscape?
02:51:03 <Tashes> It's a sci fi series!
02:51:10 <Sn0uu> oh
02:57:40 <Tashes> i like it.
02:57:54 <Sn0uu> i'll bet you do...
02:57:57 <Sn0uu> perv
02:58:02 <Tashes> :p
03:21:09 <Sn0uu> so
03:21:12 <Sn0uu> whats everyone up 2?
03:29:15 <Tashes> Given that its 4am for most of us.. probably sleeping
03:29:48 <Tashes> and i'm wastign time. becuase i had caffiene.
03:30:24 <Sn0uu> its 4am?
03:30:27 <Sn0uu> you poor people
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08:15:34 <Mekkis> !spell spherescry
08:15:42 <Mekkis> !spell spherescry
08:15:43 <diebot> Mekkis, SPHERESCRY divination (scrying[]) sorcerer/wizard 3 1 hour Range: see text Duration: 1 minute/level Save: none SR:no
08:15:43 <diebot> This spell allows remote viewing through spheres that have previously consumed some portion of the spellcaster's body: a single digit of a finger or toe at a minimum. The caster can view and listen to events within a 20-foot radius of the associated sphere; this radius follows the sphere if the sphere moves. Unlike a true scrying spell, no other
08:15:44 <diebot> spells operate through the associated sphere, but spherescry produces no indication of its activity on the target and cannot be discovered by normal methods of magical detection.
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09:30:54 <MekkisScreen> help me come up with a name for Gerasimov's familiar
09:55:33 <mortthemurrug> Fluffy!
09:56:11 <mortthemurrug> The name feels russian
09:56:23 <mortthemurrug> I'm composing bad poetry mek
09:56:58 <mortthemurrug> Agarathon
09:57:40 <mortthemurrug> Gustav
10:11:21 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
10:24:13 <mortthemurrug> Damn rugs can't sing. Or this one would
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11:24:16 <Tobias> there we go
11:24:24 <Hydrazine> G'day.
11:24:27 <Tobias> hi there
11:24:44 <Tobias> first time here, and I'm very curious ^^
11:24:59 <Hydrazine> About?
11:25:08 <Hydrazine> Because I don't roll that way.. Maybe Steve does.
11:25:59 <Tobias> haha, not that, I cas assure you
11:26:15 <Hydrazine> Well I like answering questions.
11:26:29 <Tobias> I was linked here from a 'Pathfinder Online' website
11:26:41 <Hydrazine> That is not a question!
11:26:51 <Tobias> very true
11:27:15 <Tobias> okay then, are the two games listed on the website's schedule open for new players?
11:28:16 <Hydrazine> So the tier 3-7 game means that its tuned for players of level 3-7.
11:28:47 <Hydrazine> So while a new player could potentially join in with a premade character of the appropriate level, its not exactly oriented towards bringing your own new character in.
11:29:03 <Hydrazine> We be goblins, however, is a ton of fun and perfect for newcomers
11:29:37 <Tobias> Sounds kind of similar to 'Kobolds ate my Baby'
11:29:53 <Tobias> I'm an experienced roleplayer, but I've never done it on IRC
11:30:16 <Hydrazine> How familiar are you with Pathfinder and Organized Society play?
11:30:48 <Tobias> Fairly familiar with Pathfinder, but I have no clue as to what Organised Society Play is
11:32:00 <Hydrazine> So the big idea of Society play is by being a bit more strict on rules for characters, you get a global compaign that you can walk up to a game shop full of strangers in some whole new city, and fit right into a game.
11:32:50 <Tobias> I can definitely see how that would be a benefit. How do you mean by more strict rules?
11:33:02 <Hydrazine> So this requires it to be a bit more regulated to keep things reasonable. Point buy base stats instead of rolls. Item creation is severely limited.
11:33:42 <Hydrazine> Mostly to prevent PCs from becoming absolutely outrageous and bringing the game into the no-fun zone.
11:34:02 <Hydrazine> The organized play handbook is a free pdf on the Paizo site.
11:34:24 <Tobias> That's understandable. If someone creates a PC of a little-known race, it's not really fair to expect the GM to know all about it right away
11:34:33 <Tobias> ah, I'll check that out
11:34:38 <Hydrazine> Starting races are also pretty limited.
11:34:49 <Tobias> I assume there are specific venues that Organised Play is used at?
11:35:13 <Hydrazine> But if you've got a solid grasp on the gameplay of Pathfinder, you should be fine to play Goblins with us on the weekend.
11:35:36 <Tobias> I'm busy on Saturday, but if it's on Sunday I'd love to join in
11:36:06 <mortthemurrug> Oh a goblin!
11:36:13 <Hydrazine> Well, if you set up a login and set your timezone on the site, and drop a message to Ballig and Avatar here that you want to play, you should get an invite.
11:36:26 <mortthemurrug> Id hug you but I've been polymorphed into a rug atm
11:36:30 <Hydrazine> And by fixing your timezone on the website, it'll show you the schedule in local time.
11:36:39 <mortthemurrug> 23 h before i get to my normal form
11:36:44 <Hydrazine> Which is a big deal for me, since I'm in America and the game times by default are in Aussie.
11:36:57 <mortthemurrug> Unless someone does break exchantment on me
11:37:15 <mortthemurrug> Either way i don't really mind being a rug
11:37:34 <Hydrazine> Oh. Tobias, this is Mort. Mort's a bit strange. And currently a rug. You'll learn to deal with it.
11:37:58 * Tobias chuckles, "I have no issues dealing with strange. Nice to meet you Mort."
11:38:38 <Hydrazine> I'm Hydra. I like helping new people and answering questions.
11:38:44 <Tobias> so, Aussie time is GMT + 11 hours, right?
11:38:55 <Hydrazine> In this particular example yes.
11:39:00 <Hydrazine> They do have more than one time zone.
11:39:11 <Tobias> ah
11:39:21 <Tobias> I'm from the UK, we're too small for more than one timezone
11:39:38 <Hydrazine> Aussieland is actually an entire continent.
11:39:51 <Hydrazine> They even have half time zones, which are totally crazy to me.
11:40:06 <mortthemurrug> Hi tobias. Its nice to meet you.
11:40:14 <Tobias> likewise Mort
11:40:27 <mortthemurrug> Do you know there is an animorph character who shares your name?
11:40:41 <mortthemurrug> I'm currently hung on a clothes line
11:40:58 <Hydrazine> Do you know Tobias isn't that uncommon of a name in general, Mort?
11:41:10 <Hydrazine> Not as common as say, Steven, but still.
11:41:59 <Tobias> I love the Animorphs, as a side note, and Tobias is my favourite character
11:42:20 <Hydrazine> I remember those when I was a kid. My sister still has some of my books somewhere.
11:42:40 <Tobias> I have about a quarter of them. Never finished them, apparently the ending was a let-down
11:45:14 <Hydrazine> Hey Mort, what were those books you were telling me to read?
11:45:31 <Hydrazine> I am currently between books and uninterested in most of what was on my list.
11:47:09 <Hydrazine> I'm considering giving House of Leaves a third try, but I'm not sure if I can scrounge up the willpower.
11:47:17 <Tobias> I just finished reading my favourite book
11:47:24 <Hydrazine> Which is?
11:47:29 <Tobias> 'Name of the Wind' by Patrick Rothfuss
11:47:35 <Hydrazine> High five man.
11:47:42 * Tobias highfives
11:47:49 <Tobias> Had to wait like, 5 years for the sequel
11:47:52 <Tobias> worth it though
11:47:55 <Hydrazine> My girlfriend got me a Kvothe shirt.
11:47:56 <Hydrazine> Because shes awesome.
11:48:01 <Tobias> nice
11:48:02 <Hydrazine> She has an Eolian one.
11:48:16 <Hydrazine> And she got me the hardback of WMF.
11:48:25 <Tobias> I'm assuming you're looking forward to the Third installment then?
11:48:29 <Hydrazine> Yes.
11:48:40 <Hydrazine> Has it occurred to you that we never did learn what Auri means?
11:48:55 <Hydrazine> I wager its meaningful.
11:49:12 <Tobias> I'd agree with that one, considering it's what made Elodin believe the he was worth teaching
11:49:16 <Tobias> *that
11:49:38 <Hydrazine> But we shouldn't go too deep into spoilers.
11:49:46 <Tobias> and I loved the 'Tomes is for Feckless Idiots. Kvothe has enough Feck for twenty men."
11:49:49 <Hydrazine> I think Mort's read NotW but not WMF yet.
11:49:58 <Tobias> ah, we should keep quiet then
11:50:20 <Tobias> so, what's your favourite book then?
11:50:23 <Tobias> I can tell you have taste
11:50:27 <Hydrazine> But I may wish to engage in some discussion on this topic with you privately.
11:50:35 <Tobias> I'd love to
11:50:55 <Hydrazine> So, you understand that Mr. Rothfuss' work is high in my list. I simply must tell you about something else.
11:51:01 <Tobias> oh?
11:51:05 <Hydrazine> The Way of Kings, by Brandon Sanderson.
11:51:09 <Hydrazine> It STOLE ME FROM THE WORLD.
11:51:18 <Tobias> why is that name familiar?
11:51:28 <Hydrazine> Hes the guy finishing up Wheel of Time.
11:51:48 <mortthemurrug> David eddings
11:51:57 <mortthemurrug> And i always felt sorry for tobias
11:51:59 <Hydrazine> I read Way of Kings in about a week and a half, then spent the next month missing it.
11:52:07 <mortthemurrug> I may be afk because of work
11:52:22 <mortthemurrug> And yes all harry potter
11:52:23 <Tobias> that's it, the wheel of time
11:52:27 <Hydrazine> Any particular piece to start with?
11:52:29 <Tobias> unfortunately I never got past book 9
11:52:34 <mortthemurrug> I don't like wheel of time
11:52:37 <Hydrazine> I never liked wheel of time much either.
11:52:41 <mortthemurrug> Try sword of truth series
11:52:43 <Tobias> it started brilliantly
11:52:50 <Tobias> but the main characters became bit-characters
11:53:01 <mortthemurrug> Not too bad but i just can't get the whole set
11:53:07 <Hydrazine> But his own work.. captivated me. I highly recommend you seek it.
11:53:08 <Tobias> Matt was my favourite, and he wasn't mentioned for 3 whole books!
11:53:19 <Hydrazine> Mort; David Eddings: What titel?
11:53:31 <Tobias> I've read David Eddings, I'm sure I have...
11:55:15 <Hydrazine> Did you know Tobias, one of the prizes Pat gave away in his big charity thing, were seats to a game session he was DMing set in Kvothe's world?
11:56:43 <Tobias> oh wow, that would have been wonderful to take part in
11:57:06 <Tobias> I was just watching a video on youtube where he was discussing Roleplaying and Storytelling with 4 other authors
11:57:26 <Hydrazine> Jim Butcher was one, yes?
11:58:09 <Tobias> nope
11:58:21 <Hydrazine> Huh. Must be the second part then.
11:58:31 <Hydrazine> I think he said he would do them every once in a while.
11:58:43 <Tobias> Myke Cole, Naomi Novik, Peter V. Brett and Saladin Ahmed
11:58:52 <Tobias> I don't think I've read any of their works
11:59:08 <Hydrazine> I keep hearing about Saladin Ahmed lately.
11:59:09 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
12:00:57 <Tobias> Oh, did you read the Eragon Books?
12:01:25 <Hydrazine> i read the first two years ago, before the third (and fourth?) came out, but I never picked it back up.
12:02:30 <Tobias> It's on my mind because of a conversation I was having with some friends. I enjoyed the books, but I really liked the ending. And usually, I'm never satisfied with an ending
12:02:44 <Tobias> Films aside, when it comes to games and books, most endings just aren't worth it
12:03:39 <Hydrazine> Hm. Examples?
12:04:30 <Tobias> That's just the thing, they're hard to bring to mind because they aren't very memorable
12:04:41 <Tobias> since it's on my mind, the ending of Dragon Age 2 was terrible
12:04:47 <Tobias> have you played it?
12:07:08 <Tobias> or perhaps read the Black Magician Trilogy?
12:09:17 <mortthemurrug> Jim butcher too
12:09:39 <mortthemurrug> And tobias - I'm running some low level stuff on this sat
12:09:55 <mortthemurrug> But I'm a little busy at work atm to explain
12:10:05 <mortthemurrug> Try in 2 h at lunch break :(
12:10:10 <mortthemurrug> Really sorry
12:10:34 <Hydrazine> Oh, thats true. It'll be an awesome game. I'm in it.
12:10:35 <Tobias> no worries Mort, I'm busy on saturdays anyways
12:11:09 <Tobias> having said that...is that Australian time?
12:12:57 <Hydrazine> Uh, yeah. Its friday evening for me.
12:13:22 <Hydrazine> Probably something like stupid early for you.
12:14:20 <Tobias> 2:15 am on Thursday
12:14:48 <Hydrazine> 5 hours ahead of me. So yeah.
12:16:47 <Tobias> so friday evening for you would be early saturday morning for me, then?
12:17:32 <Hydrazine> Yep.
12:18:02 <Tobias> hmmm, I probably won't be able to make that, then
12:18:14 <Tobias> I have an RPG early on saturday morning already
12:18:39 <Hydrazine> Whatcha playing?
12:20:04 <mortthemurrug> Hydra. You have a bard in party now :p
12:20:33 <Tobias> it's a Pokemon roleplaying game. Pokemon Tabletop Adventures. It's a homebrew system that's in beta, available free on the internet
12:20:56 <Tobias> and bards are awesome
12:21:25 <Tobias> oh, could I get an opinion on something. Glitterdust or Blindness/Deafness if you could only choose one?
12:22:12 <Hydrazine> Glitterdust, but I'm not exactly an expert on spells.
12:23:05 <Tobias> Yes!
12:23:06 <Tobias> thank you
12:23:15 <Tobias> I have a friend who insists it's a bad spell
12:23:19 <Tobias> I like it
12:23:47 <Hydrazine> I'm very strong on the melee combat rules.
12:23:53 <Hydrazine> Not so strong on spells.
12:25:01 <Tobias> I usually play characters with access to Magic
12:25:04 <Tobias> it's just my preference
12:25:33 <Hydrazine> Fair enough.
12:25:42 <Tobias> the Pathfinder game I'm currently in, I'm playing as a Rakshasa, who via backstory BS is not actually an evil character
12:29:50 <mortthemurrug> Magic!
12:29:54 <mortthemurrug> I love magic!
12:29:56 <Hydrazine> Mort loves the magic.
12:30:01 <Tobias> glad to hear it
12:30:11 <mortthemurrug> I love glitterdust
12:30:26 <Tobias> I do find magic can be unfair at times in Pathfinder
12:30:32 <Hydrazine> How so?
12:30:32 <Tobias> there needs to be more to counter it
12:30:37 <mortthemurrug> If i were in my orignal form i have 5/ day glitterdust
12:30:55 <Hydrazine> That if you can get a good colorspray off, fight's just about over?
12:31:05 <Tobias> or something similar
12:31:10 <mortthemurrug> Dc 20 will. Have spell focus and greater spell focus conjuration
12:31:20 <mortthemurrug> I feel a little confused about magic.
12:31:22 <Tobias> I cast Deep Slumber. You're asleep now. Time to slit your throat and leave
12:31:28 <mortthemurrug> Nah
12:31:34 <Hydrazine> I've seen a game or two, Tobias, where we trudged through, and got to the big bad evil guy, and the witch slumbered his ass in the first round.
12:31:35 <mortthemurrug> You want a witch
12:31:45 <mortthemurrug> They have endless sleeps
12:31:45 <Hydrazine> Game over man, game over.
12:31:55 <mortthemurrug> Well you got to clean up the mess
12:31:59 <Tobias> see what I mean
12:32:03 <mortthemurrug> Was it a 52 dmg cdg? :p
12:32:09 <Hydrazine> It was Jerus.
12:32:12 <Hydrazine> It was huge.
12:32:13 <mortthemurrug> I know
12:32:16 <mortthemurrug> It was big
12:32:21 <mortthemurrug> I was adding to the mess
12:32:42 <mortthemurrug> Well unless he rolled a nat 20...
12:32:50 <mortthemurrug> Even if he rolled nat 20
12:32:55 <mortthemurrug> Still screwed.
12:33:47 <Hydrazine> I think he had a chance to stabilize if he made the fort save. Barely.
12:33:53 <Hydrazine> But either way, fight was over.
12:33:57 <mortthemurrug> Doubt it.
12:33:59 <Hydrazine> I see what you mean.
12:34:21 <mortthemurrug> He probably would need a nat 20 on that one
12:34:25 <Tobias> On the other hand, a single hit from a fully built fighter can instantly kill or disable a spellcaster
12:34:34 <Tobias> it depends on how the encounter begins
12:34:37 <mortthemurrug> But i tell you being a glitterduster is hard
12:34:39 <mortthemurrug> You grapple
12:34:49 <mortthemurrug> Get Mr tie you up in knots
12:34:52 <Tobias> which of course also brings rise to Sneak Attack, and my god is that thing harsh
12:35:06 <mortthemurrug> Nah
12:35:29 <mortthemurrug> I as a caster get more nervous of mr tie you up in knots
12:35:40 <mortthemurrug> Rogues don't have good will save.
12:35:40 <Hydrazine> I doubt it, Tobias. Mostly because fighters are highly disadvantaged in single hits. They operate best on full attacks.
12:36:03 <mortthemurrug> Why don't we have a little chat with our Rogue friend
12:36:14 <Tobias> we have a rogue friend?
12:36:23 <mortthemurrug> Like we could all be friends..^^
12:36:42 <mortthemurrug> If a rogue chases you. Make sure he changes his mind
12:36:51 <mortthemurrug> Dominate works pretty well.
12:37:03 <mortthemurrug> So does hideous laughter(if humanoid)
12:37:07 <Hydrazine> Mort's saying dominate the rogue and make him fight on the other side.
12:37:36 <Hydrazine> Hideous Laughter and colorspray are two of the big names in the 'one spell will end this fight' book.,
12:38:20 <Tobias> not familiar with colorspray
12:38:43 <Hydrazine> !spell color spray
12:38:44 <diebot> Hydrazine, COLOR SPRAY illusion (pattern[mind-affecting]) sorcerer/wizard 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: 15 ft. Duration: instantaneous; see text Save: Will negates SR:yes
12:38:44 <diebot> A vivid cone of clashing colors springs forth from your hand, causing creatures to become stunned, perhaps also blinded, and possibly knocking them unconscious. Each creature within the cone is affected according to its HD. 2 HD or less: The creature is unconscious, blinded, and stunned for 2d4 rounds, then blinded and stunned for 1d4 rounds, and
12:38:44 <diebot> then stunned for 1 round. (Only living creatures are knocked unconscious.) 3 or 4 HD: The creature is blinded and stunned for 1d4 rounds, then stunned for 1 round. 5 or more HD: The creature is stunned for 1 round. Sightless creatures are not affected by color spray.
12:39:26 <Tobias> awesome. word for word from the Core Rulebook
12:39:30 <Hydrazine> Yep.
12:39:36 <Hydrazine> Thats Mekkis' work.
12:39:46 <Tobias> !spell dimension door
12:39:47 <diebot> Tobias, DIMENSION DOOR conjuration (teleportation[]) bard 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, summoner 3, witch 4, magus 4 1 standard action Range: long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level) Duration: instantaneous Save: none and Will negates (object) SR:no and yes (object)
12:39:47 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/dimension_door.html
12:39:57 <Tobias> alright,that is just sweet
12:39:59 <Hydrazine> So let me translate the wall of text.
12:39:59 <Tobias> very nice
12:40:16 <Hydrazine> Color spray: If you're under 2 hit dice, and fail your save; you're screwed.
12:40:39 <Hydrazine> He also handles dice rolls.
12:41:33 * mortthemurrug giggles
12:41:48 <Hydrazine> Hey Mort: What David Eddings book?
12:41:51 <mortthemurrug> He turned me into a rug
12:41:59 <mortthemurrug> The belgaid series
12:42:08 <mortthemurrug> And mallorean after
12:42:19 <mortthemurrug> Elenium is good too
12:42:43 <Tobias> oh god, level one spell too
12:42:53 <Tobias> kinda broken
12:42:55 <mortthemurrug> Btw mekkis used polymorph other object to turn me into a rug
12:44:35 * Tobias attempts to cast Break Enchantment on mortthemurrug, "That should work, right?"
12:45:30 <Hydrazine> Yeah, color spray is pretty much a one shot kill if you can line it up right.
12:47:09 <Tobias> what I've done recently has been rather fun, actually
12:47:39 <Tobias> I'm playing as a sorcerer, but semi-pacifistic. no direct violence that hurts another person
12:47:48 <Tobias> so I've been able to explore more of the traditionally non-combat spells
12:50:00 <Hydrazine> See, this sounds like a cool concept to me, I just don't think Pathfinder and D&D are the right systems to do it in.
12:50:18 * mortthemurrug turns back into a lemur!
12:50:30 * mortthemurrug hugs tobias!
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12:51:03 <Tobias> it depends on the style of game you're playing in
12:51:13 <Tobias> our group isn't really combat-focused
12:51:18 <Hydrazine> Maybe its more practical in a regular campaign, where the DM has more influence.
12:51:30 <Mort-> Hi
12:51:36 <Mort-> I played my wizard that way
12:51:41 <Tobias> hey there Mort
12:51:45 <Mort-> Right until i ran into swarms
12:51:46 <Mort-> :(
12:51:47 <Hydrazine> See, Society play uses prepared scenarios. And sooner or later, you're going to get into a fight.
12:52:02 <Mort-> I really don't like bringing fire balls around
12:52:10 <Tobias> oh, I acknowledge that, but I have a spell list that's much more 'hinder the enemy' than 'KILL'
12:52:11 <Mort-> But you do what you must when the devil driver
12:52:18 <Hydrazine> Whether you like it or not. And my impression is rather simply that non-combat methods will just not always work.
12:52:27 <Mort-> There is no stopping of some things
12:52:51 <Tobias> if I don't kill someone, but I cast Hold Person on them, I'm essentially removing them from the fight, at least for a while
12:52:59 <Tobias> I'm more of a 'support character'
12:53:10 <MekkisScreen> until they make a will save
12:53:30 <Tobias> correct
12:54:05 <MekkisScreen> Itzamna's a pure support character
12:54:32 <MekkisScreen> his offence is point rod of wonder
12:55:47 <Tobias> thank god I have my rulebook with me
12:55:57 <MekkisScreen> yeah
12:56:05 <MekkisScreen> don't be like Kapow
12:56:09 <Tobias> Kapow?
12:56:12 <MekkisScreen> using some obscure feat
12:56:19 <MekkisScreen> not having the rulebook
12:56:24 <Tobias> ahh
12:56:25 <MekkisScreen> and using it incorrectly
12:56:31 <MekkisScreen> in a cheesy fashion
12:56:42 <Tobias> I tend to take most things from the Core Rulebook
12:56:51 <Tobias> I had a bad experience with that kinda thing
12:56:55 <MekkisScreen> that's always good
12:57:10 <MekkisScreen> what sort of bad experience?
12:58:37 <Tobias> my first time GMing and a friend of mine asks if he can use some info from books I don't have. He's insistent that it's necessary for his character, so I allow it. All of a sudden I'm the one asking him if things are okay, because I don't know what his feats, etc... can do. And he's combined things from different books to form a very powerful character that I can't think of how to handle, and
12:58:38 <Tobias> also brought level adjustments into things, which I'd never dealt with before
12:58:42 <Tobias> suffice to say, it got me in over my head waaaaaay too quickly
12:59:07 <Tobias> so unless I own the book, I tend not to use it
12:59:36 <MekkisScreen> in PFS, you're required to own and present the book to use a feat
13:00:00 <MekkisScreen> d20pfsrd isn't sufficient
13:00:12 <MekkisScreen> (or 100% accuratr)
13:00:25 <Tobias> d20pfsrd?
13:00:47 <MekkisScreen> website
13:00:53 <Tobias> ah, the wiki thing?
13:01:07 <MekkisScreen> mmm
13:01:53 <Tobias> and of course, the GM always gets first and final say
13:02:20 <Tobias> I thought I remembered a Pathfinder feat which was apparently 3.5 D&D, not Pathfinder, but my GM allowed it
13:02:24 <Tobias> I was very grateful
13:04:49 <Hydrazine> Level adjusts did make things weird. Made it possible to do some very cheesy stuff.
13:04:57 <Hydrazine> Like the centaur hulking hurler.
13:05:22 <MekkisScreen> Level adjustment doesn't work
13:05:42 <Tobias> ah, that was fun. I played in a roleplaying game where we almost never rolled any dice. it was the strength of your roleplay that determined effectiveness
13:05:48 <Hydrazine> And then you could get the problem of being in a level 5 campaign with like 12 hp.
13:06:02 <Tobias> It came to mind when you mentioned the centaur. I was playing one in that
13:06:05 <Mort-> Hello mekkis
13:06:13 <MekkisScreen> taken to the extreme you get Blitzstriek
13:06:21 * Mort- bares her teeth at the mekkis
13:06:26 <MekkisScreen> it's a mort
13:06:29 <MekkisScreen> a rug
13:06:48 <Mort-> Not a rug anymore you foul fiend of hell!
13:06:57 <MekkisScreen> what happened?
13:07:12 * Mort- pounces on mekkis and starts biting him
13:07:35 <Hydrazine> I think that may be too extreme for me, Tobias. I mean, I'd be willing to give it a shot, but I think I'd rather a game where both the roleplay and the dice have a meaningful part.
13:07:43 * Tobias blinks, "Ah...so that's why he was better as a rug."
13:08:02 * MekkisScreen casts Polymorph Any Object on mort to turn her into a rug again
13:08:26 <Tobias> It was kind of fun, because it was something completely different, and it sort of brought me out of my shell, roleplaying wise
13:09:27 <Hydrazine> Would you play that now if given the choice, or something else?
13:09:46 <MekkisScreen> depends on the GM
13:09:52 <Mort-> Your evil deeds have undone!
13:09:58 <Mort-> You see?
13:10:00 <Tobias> the GM was insane, but a very fun guy
13:10:07 <Mort-> Daym I'm a rug again
13:10:10 <Tobias> and both, as both are fun
13:10:24 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+1 i don't want to be a rug
13:10:26 <diebot> Mort-, i don't want to be a rug: [1d20=19] 20
13:10:32 * MekkisScreen casts Shrink Object on the mortrun
13:10:36 <MekkisScreen> mortrug
13:14:32 <Tobias> oh, I have a question, actually
13:14:49 <Tobias> in my last session my character's throat was burned rather badly, inside
13:14:58 <Tobias> but he's a shapeshifter
13:15:14 <Hydrazine> Napalm shots are never a good idea.
13:15:18 <Tobias> so how would that work out. could he shift it better, or would everything he became have an injured throat?
13:15:25 <Tobias> it was Alchemist's Fire
13:15:40 <Hydrazine> Isn't that what I said?
13:15:40 <Tobias> another party member who hates me pretended it was a healing potion
13:16:29 <Hydrazine> That is not a very cohesive party.
13:16:47 <Tobias> he left the party at the end of the session
13:16:53 <Tobias> and we's all friends again
13:17:05 <Mort-> Tobias wouldn't you be hostile to someone who turned you into a rug?
13:18:46 <Tobias> I'd probably forgive them the first time
13:19:00 <Hydrazine> Well, you did make a pretty good rug.
13:26:10 <Mort-> I'm still a rug
13:26:19 <Mort-> Anyway
13:26:27 <Mort-> Another 48 h of rughood
13:27:13 * Tobias chuckles
13:27:14 <Tobias> poor rug
13:27:20 <Tobias> but you did jump him
13:30:52 <Mort-> I jumped him because he turned me into a rug first :(
13:31:08 <Hydrazine> I played a non-combatant in a tabletop game once, Tobias. I loved that character and that game.
13:31:24 <Mort-> Then everyone started dancing on me and wiping their stinky smelly feet on me
13:31:47 <Mort-> The problem is how are you going to play a non combatant against undead and swarms
13:31:47 <Hydrazine> But it was Exalted, and I think the system is more friendly towards that direction of gameplay.
13:31:55 <Mort-> I don't like fighting really
13:32:05 <Mort-> And i don't like meleeing
13:32:15 <Tobias> It's also nice that my mind didn't immediately turn into min-maxing mode when I was making my character
13:32:31 <Tobias> I could be a little more playful with things, because it's not all about maximising damage and stuff anymore
13:32:50 <Mort-> My local groups seems to be teaching me why i should minmax
13:33:01 <Mort-> Group.
13:33:13 <Mort-> I'm probably a nub compared to them
13:33:15 <Mort-> Gee
13:33:21 <Tobias> minmaxing sucks
13:33:28 <Tobias> most people do it, but it sucks
13:36:20 <Hydrazine> Heres a question though: What do you think should happen if you end up in a fight your party isn't going to survive?
13:36:43 <Hydrazine> Should the DM wipe the floor with your pansy asses, or pull some punches?
13:36:57 <Hydrazine> Or something between the two extremes?
13:38:09 <Tobias> That depends on the situation, in my opinion. If the party has come to this inevitability, pehaps because the DM set the enemies or encounter a little too difficultly, or perhaps simply from some very, very unlucky rolling, I'd be tempted to say allow a little punch-pulling, at least to some degree. If however the party were idiots and it's entirely their fault that they're in this situation,
13:38:09 <Tobias> they should be wiped out
13:40:24 <Tobias> However there could be a chance for the party to escape themselves, maybe using diplomatic means
13:40:36 <Hydrazine> So in Society play, the DM doesn't really set the encounter difficulty. Its already set. Most of the time the fights are part of the story, not the players picking bad fights.
13:40:39 <Tobias> I like to have some sort of emergancy escape when I roleplay, just in case
13:41:24 <Hydrazine> And some of them are pretty tough. I feel like this system encourages you to make PCs that're very strong on paper.
13:41:41 <Tobias> If I honestly felt that the deaths of the party were solely the party members' faults, I'd probably allow the deaths
13:42:10 <Tobias> Plus, if you pull punches too much, you give a sense that there's no real danger, and that can make for a boring game
13:43:52 <Hydrazine> So should a fight's difficulty be set with regards to the characters or indepentant?
13:44:23 <Hydrazine> Do you make easier combat scenes for a combat weak party, and brutal ones for a bunch of min/maxers?
13:46:02 <Tobias> I'd make it so that the combat weak party could still win, even if that included adding an element where perhaps they could learn about their enemies beforehand, and be more prepared. But in something pre-made and rather rigid, then yes. So long as it isn't a cakewalk for the min/maxers, nor complete slaughter for the combat weak party
13:46:40 <Tobias> the goal of the game isn't for the story to be told exactly as is, in my opinion. it's for the party to have fun. but there needs be be a challenge that can be overcome, for a big part of that fun
13:46:52 <Hydrazine> I agree.
13:47:54 <Tobias> I need to head off to bed, but one last thing before I go
13:48:16 <Hydrazine> Heres the thing about society. The DM can't throw the combat-weak party a bone if the scenario doesn't work like that. And you could end up playing with a bunch of strangers. Nobody wants to be the weak link who brings a whole table down.
13:48:54 <Hydrazine> Sooner or later you're gonna end up in a fight, and people expect you to pull your weight.
13:49:37 <Tobias> it's nice for a character to feel needed. I'm currently in a game where I'm playing the technical character/engineer person. Not very strong combat wise. So our GM placed us in a situation where, as far as we knew, without a technical specialist we would not have been able to survive. I knew he put it there for me, but it still felt to good to be able to say, "yeah, without me the party would
13:49:37 <Tobias> have died." I appreciated him going to those lengths for me
13:50:31 <Hydrazine> Everybody likes to feel important.
13:51:17 <Tobias> and that cam be difficult with so many people in the party
13:51:30 <Tobias> so it was nice that he took the time to fit it into the encounter
13:51:43 <Hydrazine> Thats awesome.
13:52:19 <Hydrazine> I think its a good campaign where everyone gets to do their part. Where the individual strengths come together to make the big stuff happen.
13:52:33 <Tobias> right, I gotta head off now, it's nearly 4am. Nice to meet you guys though, and I look forward to talking with you again
13:52:42 <Hydrazine> My pleasure. Later.
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14:00:24 <Mort-> But yeah hydra that's the reason why i cheese
14:00:35 <Mort-> You hit the nail on the head
14:02:56 Mort- is now known as mortthemurrug
14:03:34 <Hydrazine> Its why I felt funny about Nearis.
14:04:00 <Hydrazine> Sure hes got a ton of skills, even social ones.
14:04:19 <Hydrazine> But once the fight starts he barely contributes.
14:04:38 <Hydrazine> And it left me feeling like he was more of a liability than a strength for a party.
14:06:59 <mortthemurrug> Eh. Yeah.
14:07:31 <mortthemurrug> Now its like in home game were wondering who is going to take the rogue level for trapfinding
14:07:51 <mortthemurrug> I have the skill points to burn but my perception sucks
14:08:18 <mortthemurrug> Well at least compared to a half elf syn who puts skill focus perception and skilled evo perception
14:08:56 <mortthemurrug> He doesn't want to take the rogue level because i think he only gets 4 skill points per level and also the syn side is very important to get levels
14:09:25 <mortthemurrug> I have a +11 for perception at 8
14:09:33 <mortthemurrug> I guess pretty normal
14:09:46 <mortthemurrug> He has like a +23 or something nuts
14:15:28 <MekkisScreen> why do you need trapfinding?
14:16:23 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: you Need to have something to do in combat - even if it's just casting Guidance or CLW on allies
14:19:13 <mortthemurrug> We ran into a symbol of insanity? :d
14:19:24 <mortthemurrug> And yes we umded the door open
14:19:45 <mortthemurrug> I think disable device would be more appropriate
14:20:50 <mortthemurrug> And oh the walls are from some shadow plane so you can't make alternative enterances with adamantine weapons
14:23:34 <Hydrazine> Nearis fights, but hes really bad at it.
14:24:48 <mortthemurrug> Actually I'm wondering how about wave oracle and a bow for him
14:24:57 * mortthemurrug shows of book of cheese
14:25:39 <Hydrazine> Hes still within the reach of a full rebuild. I'm sitting on it until I decide what to do
14:28:04 <mortthemurrug> Hai
14:28:19 <mortthemurrug> I can't do anything as a rug :(
14:28:45 <mortthemurrug> Do you think mekkis was right to turn me into a rug?
14:33:56 * mortthemurrug makes a rug
14:37:10 <MekkisScreen> you were biting me!
14:46:29 <mortthemurrug> You started it by turning me into a rug in the first place yesterday
14:46:31 <mortthemurrug> !
14:47:36 <mortthemurrug> And mekkis! I have a gnome paladin in my game?g
14:47:57 <mortthemurrug> All the lovely things i can do to him! :d
15:11:30 <MekkisScreen> how interesting
15:11:45 <MekkisScreen> hmm
15:12:01 <MekkisScreen> PAO to turn a wall into a barrel of black powder
15:13:12 <mortthemurrug> He is a gnome paladin!
15:13:33 <mortthemurrug> So cool wot!
15:13:34 <mortthemurrug> I can punt the gnome!
15:15:35 <MekkisScreen> do you want to be hanging off the end of a lance?
15:16:20 <mortthemurrug> I'm wearing a monster suit!
15:16:37 <mortthemurrug> Its my duty to punt the gnome!
15:20:07 <Hydrazine> So a level 5 wizard with 12 con gets.. 27 hp.
15:20:56 <mortthemurrug> Ye?
15:21:20 <Hydrazine> Jerus could only drop this wizard in one swing with a max damage roll.
15:21:31 <Hydrazine> Just thinking. Something Tobias was talking about.
15:21:51 <mortthemurrug> Yes.That's why i shall not melee!
15:23:41 <Hydrazine> I guess my point is that its unlikely for a fighter to fell a wizard in a single mighty swing.
15:23:46 <mortthemurrug> I can't wait till sat!
15:23:55 <mortthemurrug> It shall be so fun fun fun!
15:36:09 <MekkisScreen> you won't be a rug
15:36:43 <MekkisScreen> oh you will
15:36:44 <MekkisScreen> :P
15:38:52 <mortthemurrug> What?
15:38:57 <mortthemurrug> Ill be a rug?
15:41:03 <MekkisScreen> well
15:41:20 <MekkisScreen> if you hadn't clawed me today, that wouldn't have happened
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16:02:45 <Avatar> should I make a summoner or an inquisitor
16:03:18 <Hydrazine> !rng summoner inquis
16:03:19 <diebot> Hydrazine, inquis
16:03:30 <Avatar> no cmon
16:03:34 <Avatar> I don't want a random answer
16:04:01 <Hydrazine> If you don't want me to make your decision for you in the way that I best see fit, do it yourself
16:04:33 <Avatar> you can do better hydra
16:05:13 <Hydrazine> Explain to me this 'better' in regards to choosing your next character class for you.
16:05:33 <Avatar> better than using a random number generator
16:05:42 <Avatar> you're the kind of person I would expect to have good opinions on things
16:05:48 <Avatar> not just flip a coin
16:07:00 <Hydrazine> My opinion is that you should choose your own character.
16:09:01 <Hydrazine> Okay. You should make a summoner.
16:09:24 <Avatar> that's a bit better
16:10:30 <Hydrazine> Good.
16:22:23 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: don't you have enough characters?
16:22:41 <MekkisScreen> play a firstworlder summoner
16:23:02 <MekkisScreen> that's like the only nonbanned summoner archetype!
16:23:28 <Hydrazine> Play a pacifistic superstitious halfling barbarian
16:24:15 <MekkisScreen> play a qadiran called osama
16:24:58 <MekkisScreen> and a nonnative cheliaxian called obama!
16:25:39 <Avatar> I'm rebuilding my ninja
16:26:02 <Hydrazine> Install a third kidney.
16:26:02 <Hydrazine> Just incase.
16:26:09 <Avatar> what is a firstworlder summoner, I've never heard of that
16:28:18 <MekkisScreen> .basically a summoner who deals with nature and fey rather than outsiders
16:28:42 <MekkisScreen> gives up summon monster for summon nature's ally
16:29:09 <MekkisScreen> eidolon is a fey, not an outsider
16:30:57 <Hydrazine> I'm really amused Avatar cares even slightly for any reasoning to my answer.
16:32:13 <Avatar> what, why
16:35:17 <Hydrazine> <Hydrazine> !rng inquis summoner
16:35:17 <Hydrazine> <diebot> summoner
16:35:51 <Avatar> well that's still cheating
16:36:03 <Hydrazine> Actually that was after I answered summoner.
16:36:04 <Avatar> I thought you were just leaning that way
16:36:09 <Hydrazine> I just did it for the lols.
16:36:14 <Avatar> you and your lols
16:36:20 <Hydrazine> He said inquis first twice anyway.
16:36:48 <Hydrazine> But whats it matter what way I'm leaning if I don't tell you why I'm leaning that way?
16:36:53 <Hydrazine> How do you know its not just a cointoss?
16:38:12 <Avatar> remind me to trust you less !
16:39:20 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: don't trust Hydra with $1000. Only trust him with $999.95
16:39:34 <Hydrazine> What does my opinion mean if you don't care about the reasonings for it?
16:39:37 <Avatar> why not $1000
16:39:49 <Hydrazine> What if you asked me if I prefer babies or puppies, and I tell you babies.
16:39:55 <Avatar> the reasoning for it is your reputation
16:39:58 <MekkisScreen> necause you should trust him less
16:40:00 <Avatar> which I think has just dropped !
16:40:03 <Hydrazine> This is all fine, unless my reasoning is because babies taste better.
16:40:32 <Hydrazine> What do you intend to do with this character?
16:40:45 <Hydrazine> Isn't that the important first step before you pick a class?
16:40:50 <Hydrazine> Then I could argue over which one fits the theme better.
16:41:24 <Avatar> I have no idea
16:41:27 <Hydrazine> Without any guidance from you on why the discussion matters, I have no reason to put more opinion into this than a cointoss.
16:41:27 <Avatar> with either class
16:41:46 <Avatar> well what would you prefer to see
16:42:26 <MekkisScreen> a half-orc firstworlder who flanks people with his eidolon while taking bites out of them
16:43:02 <MekkisScreen> you and your eidolon can take that teamwork feat that gives you 1d6 sneak attack
16:43:08 <Hydrazine> See look Avatar, now we're getting somewhere. Your asking questions that allow me to form a decision with more meaning than a cointoss.
16:47:11 <Hydrazine> I think I would like to see more summoners around. I think the power and versaility an eidolon brings is interesting, especially since you can change the whole thing every level if you want.
16:47:29 <Hydrazine> And they do get haste earlier than everyone else, which is rather powerful.
16:47:40 <MekkisScreen> what about a drug-addicted 'oracle' with a snake who knows everything
16:50:00 <Avatar> I don't want to pretend I'm another class
16:50:06 <Avatar> that's matt's trick
16:50:12 <Avatar> and it's been done
16:51:53 <Hydrazine> You should be the only summoner afraid of your eidolon.
16:51:58 <Hydrazine> Paranoid its going to eat you.
16:52:38 <MekkisScreen> I want to see more higher level characters
16:52:50 <Hydrazine> I want to be the very best.
16:52:54 <Hydrazine> Like noone ever was.
16:53:13 <MekkisScreen> I didn't pick you as that kind of min/maxxer, hydra
16:53:52 <Hydrazine> Pssh.
16:54:04 <Hydrazine> To be the very best, you have to be a max/maxxer.
16:54:23 <MekkisScreen> you got a 5th level character yet?
16:55:06 <Hydrazine> Again you mean? No.
16:55:53 <MekkisScreen> how close?
16:56:28 <Hydrazine> The monk is at 3.
16:56:31 <Hydrazine> I think Lyta hit 2.
16:58:22 <MekkisScreen> that's pretty close grouping
16:58:45 <MekkisScreen> playing this weekend?
16:59:01 <Hydrazine> With Mort.
16:59:11 <MekkisScreen> ah
16:59:39 <MekkisScreen> she really shouldn't be fracturing us by not advertising what she's running
17:02:31 <Hydrazine> I would suggest asking her about ti directly rather than throwing these 'fracturing us' claims around behind her back.
17:03:02 <Avatar> mortthemurrug: why are you fracturing us?
17:03:52 <Hydrazine> Don't you run games regularly that you don't advertise here, Mekkis?
17:05:08 <Avatar> in person games
17:05:36 <MekkisScreen> yes. If you're in Brisbane, you're welcome to come
17:05:47 <MekkisScreen> I don't run online games except here
17:05:47 <Hydrazine> Maybe I will!
17:06:22 <MekkisScreen> we're actually planning a few game days in December
17:06:45 <MekkisScreen> also: a zombie apocalypse LARP if you're into that sort of thing
17:08:04 <Hydrazine> Not sure exactly when I'll be in Brissie.
17:14:28 <MekkisScreen> any idea of the month?
17:14:47 <Hydrazine> Feb?
17:14:58 <MekkisScreen> oh
17:15:19 <MekkisScreen> hig chance I won't be there then
17:15:27 <Hydrazine> Oh.
17:32:42 <mortthemurrug> What happened
17:32:57 * mortthemurrug would look blur but I'm a rug
17:33:09 <MekkisScreen> !feat Craft Staff
17:33:10 <diebot> MekkisScreen, CRAFT STAFF [Item Creation]Prereq: Caster level 11th. You can create magic staves.
17:33:10 <diebot> Benefit: You can create any staff whose prerequisites you meet. Crafting a staff takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To craft a staff, you must use up raw materials costing half of its base price. A newly created staff has 10 charges. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information. Source: Core
17:33:35 <mortthemurrug> The channel said i can't advertise here after all if I'm not giving credit to the channel
17:34:47 <mortthemurrug> To be honest i asked tashes and hydra about running stuff for fork and spork because i miss seeing them around
17:34:52 <mortthemurrug> That was last Sunday
17:35:22 <mortthemurrug> By Monday night the invitations were out on Google groups
17:35:41 <Ballig> we said you can't use our resources (e.g. the website scheduler) if you were going to insist that you weren't GMing here even though you were using our resources
17:36:06 <mortthemurrug> Yeah so I'm not gming here or using your resources
17:36:06 <mortthemurrug> Anyway
17:36:18 * mortthemurrug shrugs
17:36:27 <Ballig> then you have no need to even mention it
17:39:45 <Avatar> she didn't mention it, hydra said he was playing in her game
17:40:13 <Ballig> [6:33:32 PM] <mortthemurrug> The channel said i can't advertise here after all if I'm not giving credit to the channel
17:40:34 <Avatar> yeah she was responding to our conversation about it earlier
17:40:40 <Ballig> that's what I'm talking about
17:40:41 <Ballig> yes
17:40:42 <Ballig> and it's what I'm talking about
17:40:48 <Ballig> I'm not saying she can't mention her game
17:40:55 <Ballig> I'm saying she has no reason to try to create drama
17:42:42 <Avatar> it's not about giving credit to the channel, it's about getting more games and more players playing in them
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17:42:58 <Ballig> Avatar: PM
17:48:20 <Hydrazine> I wonder how my state is going to fuck up voting in 2016.
17:48:34 <Hydrazine> I wish this wasn't a trend.
17:49:07 <Ballig> which state
17:49:12 <Hydrazine> Florida.
17:49:16 <Ballig> how did it fuck up voting in 2012
17:49:24 <Hydrazine> So, we're on the East coast, right?
17:49:31 <Hydrazine> 3 hours ahead of the west coast.
17:49:48 <Hydrazine> the California votes were counted and reported while people in Miami were still in line.
17:50:13 <Hydrazine> The verdict was in, the president announced, people in Miami still waiting to vote.
17:50:24 <Brunius> gg
17:50:45 <Ballig> that just seems like a dodgy system
17:51:04 <Hydrazine> I don't remember if it was 2000 or '08 when we had the big fiasco with the Bush election.
17:51:24 <Hydrazine> Something about badly designed ballots and the boxes in misleading places, with people selecting the wrong president.
17:51:40 <Ballig> the "hanging chad"?
17:51:51 <Ballig> where if the hole wasn't completely punched out the vote wasn't counted
17:52:23 <Hydrazine> I don't recall correctly, I think it was the 2000 election when I was too young to take it seriously.
17:53:11 <Hydrazine> I heard part of the problem is that mailed in votes are gaining populatity.
17:53:48 <Ballig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000
17:53:52 <Hydrazine> Popularity. The problem is, the ballot package is like 20 pages or something crazy. So when it comes counting time, there just isn't enough staff around to process the huge ass ballots.
17:57:10 <Hydrazine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Butterfly_large.jpg
17:58:05 <Hydrazine> Ha!
17:58:07 <Hydrazine> Additionally, there were many more 'overvotes' than usual, especially in predominantly African-American precincts in Duval county (Jacksonville), where some 27,000 ballots showed two or more choices for President. Unlike the much-discussed Palm Beach County 'butterfly ballot,' the Duval County ballot spread choices for President over two pages with instructions to 'vote on every page' on the bottom of each page.
17:58:29 <Brunius> Niiice
17:58:42 <Hydrazine> Come on. This is hilarious.
17:59:11 <Hydrazine> Florida. We go full retard on elections.
18:03:03 <mortthemurrug> Its entertainment wot?
18:03:04 <mortthemurrug> Hegp
18:03:50 <mortthemurrug> Anyway ballig. I didn't even make much noise about my game in channel
18:03:53 <mortthemurrug> No fuss
18:04:16 * mortthemurrug tries to yawn but realises she is now a rug
18:05:24 <Ballig> I don't care about you talking about your game
18:05:26 <Ballig> that isn't an issue
18:05:34 <Ballig> just avoid bringing up old drama
18:10:35 <Hydrazine> Hey Avatar, weren't you talking about your desire to be woken up by the sun, just not at dawn?
18:10:57 <Avatar> yeah
18:11:05 <Hydrazine> http://www.gizmag.com/glo-pillow-concept/9348/
18:11:05 <Avatar> before dawn :(
18:11:45 <Avatar> I don't really sleep on a pillow
18:12:01 <Hydrazine> Theres just no winning with you.
18:12:12 <Avatar> maybe if the mattress lit up
18:22:49 * mortthemurrug is a relaxed rug who will just catch games where they can be found
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20:24:02 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, what's in a "ballot pack"?
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20:55:23 <Mekkis> <?masterwork tool
20:55:26 <diebot> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n978?Masterwork-Tools-for-all-skills#4
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21:28:57 <mortthemurrug> I'm tired
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21:40:38 <Mekkis> rugs don't tire
21:41:25 <Avatar> zing
21:42:03 <Mort-> I'm not a true rug
21:42:17 <Mekkis> close enough
21:42:20 Mort- is now known as mortthemurrug
21:42:22 <Mekkis> so
21:42:33 <mortthemurrug> Ok time to get back and play vanguard
21:42:34 <Mekkis> if you cast Polymorph Any Object to turn a lemur into a rug
21:42:42 <Mekkis> then you cast Shrink Item on the rug
21:42:46 <mortthemurrug> Need to sort out a few admin issues first though
21:42:55 <Mekkis> what happens when the Polymorph Any Object wears off?
21:43:03 <mortthemurrug> You get a small rug?
21:43:13 <mortthemurrug> Shrink item doesn't work
21:43:17 <Mekkis> why not?
21:43:28 <mortthemurrug> The lemur pops back to orignal size
21:43:38 <mortthemurrug> It works on objects
21:43:53 <mortthemurrug> The lemur is no longer an object
21:44:08 <Mekkis> I thought those things carried over even if type changes
21:45:49 <mortthemurrug> No. Its like you get a confusion spell on you. Someone else casts calm emotions to get you out of it
21:46:19 <mortthemurrug> When the calm emotions wears off or breaks you're still confused. If the duration hasn't worn off yet
21:47:06 <mortthemurrug> And why are you abusing murs may i ask?
21:49:05 <Mekkis> I learnt Polymorph Any Object. I plan to have fun with it.
21:49:28 <Mekkis> and anyway. It's not as bad as abusing gnomes
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21:52:44 <mortthemurrug> There are too many gnomes in the world
21:52:45 <mortthemurrug> There is only one mur
21:53:14 <Mekkis> exactly.
21:53:15 <mortthemurrug> Are you going to polymorph me into a gnome next?
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21:53:33 <Mekkis> You're discriminating against every gnome in the world
21:53:38 <Mekkis> that's racist
21:54:00 <Mekkis> I'm discriminating against you - of whom I know you are racist.
21:55:21 <mortthemurrug> The world won't miss any gnomes
21:55:40 <mortthemurrug> Seriously mek. I don't do anything in game to a gnome
21:56:00 <mortthemurrug> My personal sense of fairness won't let me discriminate
22:01:14 <fued> ow
22:02:10 <mortthemurrug> What?
22:02:34 <mortthemurrug> Man i can't imagine what id do as a gnome :p
22:03:02 <mortthemurrug> Probably go nuts to add to the bad gnome rep
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22:13:18 <fued> woo just made my first video
22:13:29 <fued> only needs about 10billion times more polish haha
22:14:08 <fued> anyone want to watch and let me know what u think?
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22:34:18 <Avatar> yeah just link it
22:34:20 <Avatar> don't wait for a yes
22:42:42 <fued> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kpjzwrj17g9799z/campaign.wmv
22:42:52 <fued> im reworking it because its horrible lol
22:53:46 <Avatar> upload it to youtube
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23:32:06 <Avatar> if I take a level of lore warden on my archaeologist, I'm still sticking with the character concept perfectly
23:32:12 <Avatar> and I get my bonus feat that I'm starving for
23:36:51 <Mekkis> nice
23:40:11 <Avatar> going to completely abandon that dumb whip and focus on the hammer
23:40:16 <Avatar> it's caused nothing but disaster
23:40:30 <Mekkis> how are you using it?
23:40:41 <Mekkis> Simon has a whip-using bard
23:40:47 <Avatar> burning too many feats just so I can threaten and finally use combat reflexes
23:41:02 <Avatar> I initially wanted it because I thought it could threaten
23:41:14 <Avatar> then I found out it doesn't, so I had to get the meteor hammer
23:41:17 <Mekkis> ah
23:41:32 <Avatar> you really need to invest too much for them to work
23:41:44 <Mekkis> would it be useful to have diebot able to look up class features?
23:41:45 <Avatar> this character is really Roger done properly
23:41:55 <Mekkis> ah
23:42:04 <Avatar> yeah maybe
23:42:16 <Avatar> if you remember the name of the feature better than the feature itself
23:42:18 <Mekkis> Deceased started out as Mytiazair done properly, but he then evolved into something... different
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