// #d&d — 2012-11-28
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00:00:02 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 8th 12pm (tier 1-2 module,Caleth) || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
00:00:02 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Nov 26 06:19:31 2012
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00:56:57 <Avatar-> yo
00:57:09 <Avatar-> anyone about?
00:58:00 <Avatar-> someone will respond immediately
00:58:41 <Avatar-> Brunius perhaps you
01:00:06 <MekkisScreen> hey
01:00:10 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine:
01:00:24 <Hydrazine> ?
01:02:02 <Hydrazine> MekkisScreen:
01:02:17 <MekkisScreen> hey
01:02:40 <Hydrazine> hey
01:10:21 <Avatar> Mekkis:
01:19:00 <Mekkis> Avatar,
01:19:24 <Mekkis> want to do Ambush at Absalom tonight?
01:21:10 <Avatar> what is that
01:22:16 <Avatar> a PFS quest eh
01:22:21 <Avatar> no exp or gold but a single use boon
01:22:56 <Avatar> might give it a miss for tonight, I only had 3 hours sleep and if I need to go to bed early, it'll be unhealthy not to
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01:54:55 <MekkisSc1een> I'm about
02:01:36 <Ballig> what's Balligatar
02:02:35 <Brunius> Hydrazine explained it shortly after using it
02:25:05 <Avatar_> N2H4: neither of you got an invite because the module's already mid-way
02:28:08 <Ballig> only people who signed up for it and started the module last weekend got invites for it
02:57:30 <Brunius> Mekkis / MekkisScreen / Mekkis_x200 : I want to run an LED off a 3V power supply, but the datasheet only supplies the ohmage of series resistors at 5V, 9V, and 12V. Any idea how I would calculate what ohmage resistor I need?
02:58:39 <N2H4> I guessed that, Avatar.
02:58:49 <N2H4> <N2H4> My other thought is that its an incomplete game and thus only the original crew are invited.
02:59:56 <Avatar_> oh, missed that
03:03:58 <Avatar_> considering rolling up a wizard or sorcerer instead of that summoner
03:59:22 <Brunius> do a sorceror
04:16:54 <MekkisSc1een> do a wizard
04:17:06 <Ballig> he's done a wizard before
04:17:46 <MekkisSc1een> he's done a summoner befpre
04:17:59 <MekkisSc1een> so. My boss is horribly speeding
04:18:05 <Ballig> he hasn't done a sorcerer before
04:19:00 <MekkisSc1een> you can never have too many wizards
04:25:15 <Ballig> well that's just downright false
04:27:38 <Avatar_> yeah mort proved you can
04:34:20 <MekkisSc1een> how many wizards did mort have?
04:34:37 <MekkisSc1een> I thought she only had one
04:35:04 <MekkisSc1een> I have two: is that too many?
04:38:44 <Avatar_> she had like ten
04:42:10 <MekkisSc1een> oh
04:42:27 <MekkisSc1een> really? there was Mort. Who else?
04:47:25 <MekkisSc1een> Avatar: do you think thornkeep will be finished on Saturday?
04:47:38 <Avatar> no idea
04:47:45 <Avatar> it didn't get far before caleth got sick
04:48:37 <Ballig> I think it's unlikely, it only ran for an hour
04:49:31 <Avatar> he thought it "might" run over two sessions when he first organised it
05:17:21 <Tashes> Brunius:
05:17:25 <Tashes> BRUNIUS!
05:17:37 <Brunius> Tashes?
05:17:40 <Tashes> Get on skype!
05:17:44 <Brunius> I am on skype
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07:09:01 <Mekkis> Brunius, what sort of LEDs?
07:09:04 <Mekkis> and what for?
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07:09:19 <Mekkis> and what power supply
07:10:56 <Brunius> what do you mean what sort of LEDs
07:11:02 <Brunius> for lighting stuff
07:11:07 <Brunius> probably AA batteries
07:18:47 <Mekkis> if you're trying christmas lighting off a PSU, then I'd recommend something else
07:19:01 <Mekkis> if you're using colour-changing LEDs, no resister is required
07:19:22 <Mekkis> what's the voltage drop and current of the LEDs you're looking at?
07:23:32 <Mekkis> so, what are you really after, Brunius?
07:23:46 <Mekkis> can you send me the datasheet?
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07:25:55 <Sn0uu> hi
07:26:07 <Sn0uu> where is Avatar's @?
07:38:59 <Diazane> Hiding?
07:39:12 <Brunius> http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD0130%20-%20AL-314B1C-004.pdf
07:39:24 <Mekkis> what stuff are you lighting?
07:39:50 <Mekkis> you want blue? really?
07:40:02 <Brunius> Well, blue or UV
07:40:49 <Mekkis> and 3mm? 5mm is better for lumens per watt per dollar
07:41:00 <Brunius> size constraints.
07:41:04 <Mekkis> ah
07:41:13 <Mekkis> what type of AA batteries?
07:41:21 <Brunius> 2000mAH
07:41:28 <Mekkis> what chemistry?
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07:42:03 <Mekkis> Nimh?
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07:42:16 <Brunius> Yeah
07:42:21 <Mekkis> ok
07:42:27 <Mekkis> so low internal resistance
07:42:39 <Mekkis> how many?
07:42:46 <Mekkis> batteries, that is?
07:43:00 <Brunius> Two is the plan, but looking at the voltage I might need three to get past min voltage
07:43:07 <Mekkis> yep
07:43:15 <Mekkis> unless you use something like a joule thief
07:43:23 <Mekkis> or some other pump
07:43:32 <Brunius> Mmm
07:43:44 <Mekkis> considered using an 18650 or similar instead?
07:43:46 <Brunius> I keep meaning to investigate pumps for solenoids
07:43:55 <Brunius> trustfires?
07:44:11 <Mekkis> or whatever they're calling themselves this month
07:44:28 <Brunius> I hadn't, actually.
07:44:28 <Mekkis> ultrafire, surefire, trustfire, catchonfire, whatever
07:44:30 <Brunius> Might fit better.
07:44:31 <Brunius> Hmmm
07:44:42 <Brunius> catchonfire was my fear.
07:44:54 <Mekkis> none of mine have done they yet
07:45:06 <Mekkis> but you wanted resistance calculations
07:45:16 <Mekkis> ok, you know Ohm's law?
07:45:36 <Mekkis> E=IR
07:45:41 <Mekkis> or V=IR
07:45:44 <Mekkis> or V=AR
07:45:55 <Mekkis> depending on who taught you it, right?
07:46:10 <Brunius> V=IR was what I was taught
07:46:25 <Mekkis> you know Kirchoff's current law?
07:46:56 <Brunius> Sounds familiar, so I've probably got it written down in a notebook somewhere
07:47:03 <Brunius> But I don't remember it
07:47:22 <Mekkis> all currents going into a node equal zero
07:47:53 <Brunius> Right.
07:48:22 <Mekkis> since your circuit will be pretty much: battery --- resister --- led --- other terminal of battery
07:48:33 <Mekkis> all the currents in the circuit will be the same
07:49:09 <Mekkis> Kirchoff's Voltage Law states that all voltages in a loop add up to zero
07:49:40 <Mekkis> so, if your battery is 3.6V, and your LED's V_F is 3.3V
07:49:53 <Mekkis> what's the voltage across the resister?
07:50:13 <Brunius> 0.3V?
07:50:21 <Mekkis> correct
07:50:41 <Brunius> Woo, do I get extra marks for the test
07:50:57 <Mekkis> and if the I_F through the LED should be 20mA, what should the current through the resister be?
07:51:07 <Mekkis> resistor even
07:51:26 <Brunius> higher?
07:51:37 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> all currents going into a node equal zero
07:51:42 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> all the currents in the circuit will be the same
07:51:56 <Brunius> so 20mA
07:51:58 <Mekkis> yeah
07:52:08 <Mekkis> so shove them into Ohm's law
07:52:11 <Mekkis> what do you get?
07:52:22 <Mekkis> 0.3 = 0.02 R
07:52:23 <Brunius> 0.3/0.020 ?
07:52:34 <Mekkis> so R = 0.3 / 0.02
07:52:38 <Brunius> So 15 ohms?
07:52:41 <Mekkis> yep
07:53:33 <Mekkis> you might want to play it safe and use a little higher, maybe 18 ohm.
07:53:46 <Brunius> So 3.3 is from the forward voltage in that datasheet?
07:53:53 <Mekkis> Remember that a fully charged NimH has a slightly higher voltage
07:54:04 <Mekkis> page 2
07:54:18 <Mekkis> Forward voltage: min 3.0, Typ 3.3, max 3.5
07:54:31 <Brunius> Yeah, I see it
07:54:49 <Mekkis> where are you using it?
07:55:10 <Mekkis> (you're obviously not wiring up christmas lights, like I did back in highschool)
07:55:34 <Brunius> Nerf clip
07:55:39 <Mekkis> oh
07:55:50 <Mekkis> in that case
07:55:58 <Mekkis> use a battery from an old phone
07:57:02 <Mekkis> then you can run http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50x-3mm-White-Flash-LED-Bulb-Free-Resistors-/190748834541?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2c69843aed with no resister
07:58:53 <Mekkis> or http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-Blue-White-Fast-Flash-3mm-LEDs-Light-Free-Resistors-/190727824720?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2c6843a550 if you're cheap
07:59:13 <Mekkis> (and I have bought from that seller: he/she's reliable)
08:00:31 <Brunius> you'd wonder, with a username like that
08:05:06 <Brunius> Oh no.
08:05:27 <Mekkis> Der Sachiru hast Gefinden
08:06:03 <Mekkis> but a phone battery will probably do what you're after
08:06:33 <Brunius> If I can find any
08:06:46 <Mekkis> that's easy
08:07:12 <Mekkis> go to an optus shop, and ask if you can take an old phone off their hands
08:07:42 <Brunius> Do optus shops even exist anymore?
08:08:42 <Mekkis> yes
08:10:41 <Brunius> How would you attach terminals to a phone battery, anyway?
08:10:53 <Brunius> Hmm, that doesn't sound right.
08:11:03 <Mekkis> soldering iron?
08:11:07 <Mekkis> clip?
08:11:30 <Brunius> last time I tried soldering directly to a battery it blew up.
08:12:18 <Brunius> Then again, I could try soldering using leaded solder this time.
08:12:38 <Mekkis> did you sand the terminals?
08:12:49 <Brunius> No
08:13:08 <Mekkis> did you flux them?
08:14:00 <Brunius> I think so
08:24:03 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/CRW_1613_v1.JPG My first semi-decent at photographing and editing a photo of a poorly painted mini using a hacked camera.
08:24:43 <Mekkis> any assistance with photography, postwork or painting is appreciated
09:53:53 <Oren> Anybody home?
09:56:32 <Oren> What is "Thornkeep" and why am I not getting an option to accept or decline?
09:57:02 <Avatar> that is a good job for me
09:57:04 <Avatar> maybe I will apply
10:22:17 <Hydrazine> NO idea.
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11:32:42 <Sn0uu> yo
11:37:38 <Hydrazine> Yossarian lives!
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12:45:16 <wrothmonk> Hello?
12:46:03 <Sn0uu> hi
12:46:43 <Steven> no!
12:46:47 <Steven> you shut your whore mouth!
12:46:50 <wrothmonk> Lol
12:47:00 <Sn0uu> nooooooooooooo
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12:47:07 <Sn0uu> they're all gonna lol @ u!
12:47:22 <wrothmonk> I found a shirt you guys may like
12:47:28 <wrothmonk> http://www.redbubble.com/people/nevermoreshirts/works/7669054-keep-calm-and-roll-initiative?p=t-shirt
12:47:50 <Steven> meh
12:48:05 <Sn0uu> heh
12:48:05 <Sn0uu> i like
12:50:46 <Oren> 3 hours later, I'll try asking again — maybe new eyes and ears are here?
12:50:50 <Oren> What is "Thornkeep" and why am I not getting an option to accept or decline?
12:51:03 * Sn0uu doesn't know
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12:51:31 <Oren> Is "Tashes" from Adelaide?
12:54:37 <Brunius> I don't understand that series of images.
12:57:05 <wrothmonk> If I remember correctly it is an old English war poster
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13:07:08 <Diazane> I saw an awesome bumper sticker once. "If you're close enough to read this... Roll damage."
13:08:43 <Sn0uu> that is pretty lawz
13:20:41 <Diazane> So I have a challenge I'm scared of, Snow.
13:20:52 <Diazane> my as AP kha'zix vs. AP rengar.
13:21:21 <Steven> say what diaz?
13:22:15 <Sn0uu> lol
13:22:18 <Sn0uu> how u gonna do that?
13:23:01 <Diazane> ...pray?
13:23:07 <Diazane> his passive is actually an AP ratio.
13:24:14 <Sn0uu> which one
13:24:25 <Sn0uu> and i mean, how you gonna battle them?
13:24:51 <Diazane> 1 on 1 on murderbridge.
13:27:05 <Sn0uu> aha
13:27:09 <Sn0uu> oh, hydra lol
13:27:15 <Diazane> Yeah. What?
13:27:17 <Sn0uu> u and ur weird smurf name
13:27:39 <Diazane> oh.
13:27:44 <Diazane> Its my chemical.
13:27:55 <Diazane> The challenge is because we already had the real duel.
13:28:00 <Diazane> and I won.
13:28:03 <Diazane> So the rematch is AP.
13:32:33 <Sn0uu> ur chem?
13:33:46 <Diazane> hydrazine. Its a chemical.
13:33:53 <Diazane> Diazane is an altername name for it.
13:34:35 <Diazane> My worry for the rematch is that AP khaz just doesn't have consistent damage.
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14:03:37 <Steven> i wonder if Walter is gonna get involved with SpoCon this year
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14:05:13 <Steven> also cranberry juice is tasty
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14:09:00 <Sn0uu> im eating blocks of cheese
14:09:39 <Steven> that doesnt sound healthy
14:10:04 <Sn0uu> well, part of a block
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14:10:35 <MekkisSc1een> !throw 1d20
14:11:25 <Sn0uu> !throw Mekkis
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14:12:24 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d20
14:12:24 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20: [1d20=9] 9
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16:06:22 <Avatar> yo
16:10:18 <Avatar> I saiiiiiiid
16:10:18 <Avatar> yo
16:14:36 <Brunius> yo
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17:11:24 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: what ISP are you on?
17:14:38 <Brunius> MekkisScreen, what's good for drafting?
17:15:01 <MekkisScreen> I like using hard pencils: 6H, or even 9H if you can get your hands on it
17:15:10 <MekkisScreen> I'd suggest getting a good T-Square
17:15:21 <Brunius> Perhaps I should have been clearer; What's good for magic drafting?
17:15:46 <MekkisScreen> if you're drafting any recent sets, forcing UW seems to always work
17:16:00 <Brunius> Yay UW
17:16:08 <Brunius> What sets would you suggest?
17:16:29 <MekkisScreen> Ice age, alliances, coldsnap
17:16:34 <MekkisScreen> good times
17:17:18 <Brunius> Since I'm a high school student, that's slightly out of the question
17:17:35 <Brunius> What do you think is best in standard at the moment?
17:17:36 <MekkisScreen> I would suggest either triple RTR or triple AVR
17:17:44 <MekkisScreen> probably triple RTR
17:18:07 <MekkisScreen> (they're also both most likely to pay for themselves)
17:18:19 <MekkisScreen> and the "draft UW" policy works with both of them
17:20:02 <MekkisScreen> I think the $Return is slightly higher on RTR, but I haven't crunched the numbers
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19:24:58 <Munkir> I'm new to online Pathfinder anyone want to feed me information?
19:26:39 <Munkir> Anyone here? I wouldn't mind sitting in on a game to learn
19:45:53 <Tashes> wtf is thornkeep?
19:45:56 <Tashes> also hi Oren
19:46:03 <Tashes> Yus, i'm from adelaide
20:56:48 <MekkisScreen> dieb
20:58:31 <Mekkis> boris!
21:02:29 <boris> ｡◕‿◕｡
21:20:15 <Oren> What is "Thornkeep" and why am I not getting an option to accept or decline it from the schedule section of pfrpg?
21:29:54 <N2H4> Um, Thornkeep is a pathfinder society scenario.
21:30:29 <N2H4> If you just signed up on the site, if memory's right you don't get invites until one of the site admins puts you on the list.
21:30:39 <N2H4> Yell at Balligatar.
21:30:46 <N2H4> (Ballig+Avatar)
21:35:38 <Oren> I've been a member for months. that isn't the reason.
21:36:51 <N2H4> Then I have no idea.
21:37:20 <N2H4> Hm..
21:37:24 <N2H4> Neither am I, actually.
21:37:45 <N2H4> Oh, thats a good note. I should bring my character sheets.
21:37:54 <N2H4> I might actually play that one.
21:41:02 <N2H4> My other thought is that its an incomplete game and thus only the original crew are invited.
21:41:47 <Steven> yeah caleth got sick in the middle of second fight
21:44:55 <Steven> speaking of sick, im going to go sleep
22:02:08 <Oren> kk. ty.
22:12:39 <Brunius> Er, what
22:12:56 <Brunius> Even if you're a member Balligatar has to invite you specifically.
22:13:13 <Brunius> As far as I know
22:13:25 <Brunius> They might just hit a button and invite everyone with an appropriately levelled character
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