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09:02:39 <Sn0uu> sup
09:02:46 <Sn0uu> wut time is it there now?
09:16:22 <Sn0uu> you're like a shot of pure gold
09:16:28 <Sn0uu> I think i'm about to explode
09:16:43 <Sn0uu> do you think she's talking about taking a bj?
09:39:24 <MekkisScreen> Thu Nov 15 18:39:43 EST 2012
09:44:16 <Sn0uu> ok?
09:44:19 <Sn0uu> oh
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12:52:20 <MekkisScreen> Thu Nov 15 21:52:39 EST 2012
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13:22:02 <Hydrazine> Why're you giving time in EST?
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13:42:50 <CanadianSnow> y not
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13:51:42 <Brunius> Did I neglect to change my nickop password
13:52:04 <Brunius> And did Ballig then use my password to kill me
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14:20:41 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
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14:24:59 <CanadianSnow> goodnight
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15:24:09 * MekkisScreen shoots at Brunius
15:24:24 <Brunius> :((
16:14:21 <MekkisScreen> poor brunius
16:19:56 <Ballig> Brunius: what when
16:20:21 <Ballig> Brunius: you had an EOF from client at 3.30am
16:24:00 <Brunius> I dunno, it's in my scrollback from Nickop
16:24:06 <Brunius> Might be a while ago
16:25:34 <Steven> yup.... my new lazy boy is awesome
16:28:59 <Avatar> there is a lot of stuff in fhe faction guide which I'm sure can't be pfs legal
16:29:06 <Avatar> which seems strange considering it seems to be written for pfs
16:29:18 <Brunius> Which faction guide
16:30:28 <Avatar> pathfinder chronicles
16:30:46 <Avatar> the one that lets you buy 50 commoners for 1 prestige
16:31:10 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/products/btpy84eo ?
16:31:18 <Avatar> yeah
16:31:24 <Avatar> no
16:31:29 <Ballig> factions exist outside of the society
16:31:30 <Brunius> yeah no?
16:31:33 <Avatar> no
16:31:43 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8emo?Pathfinder-Chronicles-Faction-Guide
16:32:03 <Avatar> I said yeah initially because I thought there is no way you can mess up looking it up
16:32:47 <Brunius> Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Faction Guide
16:32:47 <Brunius> Feat: Fast Crawl; Spells: hibernate, tripvine; Traits: Beast of the Society, Berserker of the Society, Blade of the Society, Defender of the Society, Exalted of the Society, Greater Adept of the Society, Havoc of the Society, Honored Fist of the Society, Maestro of the Society, Stalwart of the Society, Tracker of the Society
16:32:52 <Brunius> There's what's legal
16:33:00 <Brunius> It's probably changed over time
16:33:01 <Avatar> yeah, not much
16:33:19 <Avatar> wait, there is a feat called stalwart of the society
16:33:29 <Ballig> the "of the Society" traits are all great
16:33:30 <Avatar> maybe I should give that to James Stalwart
16:33:37 <Avatar> oh is it a trait
16:33:40 <Avatar> :(
16:33:41 <Ballig> yes
16:33:44 <Avatar> I could take extra traits
16:34:03 <Brunius> +1 against frear
16:34:05 <Brunius> fear even
16:34:33 <Avatar> do you have to be a paladin
16:34:44 <Brunius> I don't think so
16:34:49 <Brunius> But you're the one with the book
16:35:14 <Avatar> Stalwart of the Society (Paladin, Pathf inder Society):
16:35:14 <Avatar> The courageous powers of the ancient orders of Golarion’s
16:35:14 <Avatar> paladins are open to you thanks to the Society’s records
16:35:14 <Avatar> of heroic deeds. As a result, your aura of courage class
16:35:14 <Avatar> ability grants an additional +1 trait bonus on saving
16:35:14 <Avatar> throws against fear effects.
16:35:21 <Ballig> you have to be a paladin
16:35:30 <Ballig> that's why it says "Paladin" in brackets
16:35:38 <Avatar> If
16:35:39 <Avatar> a trait is restricted to a particular race, faction, or character
16:35:39 <Avatar> class, this is listed in parentheses after the trait name.
16:35:41 <Avatar> fuckkk
16:35:52 <Brunius> Drop a level in Paladin then
16:35:54 <Brunius> They're great
16:35:56 <Avatar> I have already given him 3 classes, I can't give him a 4th because of a nicely named trait :(
16:36:09 <Brunius> It's not like Paladins actually need saves against fear
16:36:18 <Brunius> After like level 4 they're auto-immune
16:36:23 <Ballig> it's +1 for the aura
16:36:31 <Avatar> yeah it's for everyone else
16:36:39 <Brunius> Oh
16:37:09 <Ballig> I really like Defender of the Society for fighters
16:38:20 <Avatar> yeah that is top notch
16:38:33 <Avatar> I can't even take that one because I chose a fighter archetype which doesn't let me use medium or heavy armour
16:38:47 <Ballig> ha
16:39:54 <Avatar> I can't even take the bard trait because it requires bardic performance, and my archetype ditched that
16:40:31 <Ballig> do you lose the profiency or can you just not use the armour
16:40:44 <Avatar> lose the proficiency I guess
16:40:46 <Ballig> doesn't your archetype say that what you get instead counts as bardic performance
16:41:09 <Avatar> archaelogist's luck doesn't count as bardic performance
16:41:16 <Avatar> you can't countersong with archaeologist's luck
16:41:43 <Ballig> I swear you don't read
16:41:44 <Ballig> Archaeologist’s luck is treated as bardic performance for
16:41:44 <Ballig> the purposes of feats, abilities, effects, and the like that affect
16:41:44 <Ballig> bardic performance.
16:41:57 <Avatar> wtf
16:43:33 <Steven> owned
16:44:02 <Avatar> that does seem very strange because it also specifically says you don't gain bardic performance or any of its performance types above it
16:44:31 <Ballig> right, because you don't
16:44:43 <Ballig> it replaces bardic performance
16:45:00 <Ballig> problem is that many feats have a pre-requisite of "bardic performance" because that's the game's way of saying "you must have at least 1 level of bard"
16:45:03 <Brunius> BUt counts as it
16:45:11 <Ballig> similar to feats that require you to be able to channel energy, or have a cleric aura, or whatever
16:45:25 <Avatar> I got rid of a spell because I thought I couldn't use it based on no bardic performance
16:45:26 <Brunius> Bairaq can channel Energy!
16:45:43 <Ballig> if the spell actually requires you to use bardic performance then you might not have been able to use the spell
16:46:19 <Avatar> let me see if I can remember what spell it was
16:46:27 <Avatar> possibly ear piercing scream?
16:46:37 <Ballig> yeah I have a vague memory of the spell
16:46:44 <Ballig> I think you actually have to use bardic performance in the spell
16:46:47 <Avatar> that's snickers' signature spell
16:48:21 <Ballig> chord of shards
16:48:32 <Ballig> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/chord-of-shards
16:48:48 <Avatar> that's it
16:49:04 <Ballig> it's possible you could use that spell during archaeologist's luck, but that would be up for discussion
16:49:27 <Ballig> it doesn't realistically make sense, but the archaeologist luck description does say that it is treated as bardif performance for "effects"
16:49:43 <Avatar> why? treated as bardic performance for the purposes of effects
16:50:01 <Avatar> that is indisputable
16:50:30 <Ballig> well, for one, because it makes no sense
16:50:37 <Ballig> and for two because it continues for "and the like that affect bardic performance"
16:50:43 <Ballig> and the spell doesn't actually affect bardic performance
16:50:46 <Avatar> the rule doesn't make sense but it is there
16:50:55 <Ballig> I feel like it's meant to be for things like "You get 2 extra uses of bardic performance per day"
16:51:08 <Ballig> wherein you substitute bardic performance for archaeologist's luck
16:51:14 <Ballig> and they don't need specific feats for it
16:52:22 <Ballig> what's your fighter archetype
16:52:28 <Avatar> lore warden
16:52:30 <Ballig> what's your arch's name again
16:52:41 <Avatar> James Stalwart
16:52:51 <Avatar> he's also something of a Mysterious Stranger
16:52:58 <Ballig> !find stalwart
16:53:02 <dicebot> Ballig, no results found. Give me a few minutes to update my database.
16:53:09 <Avatar> james
16:53:14 <Ballig> !find james
16:53:17 <dicebot> Ballig, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
16:53:18 <Avatar> I don't call all my character by their last names
16:53:45 <Ballig> where's the lore warden archetype
16:54:09 <Ballig> ah field guide
16:54:23 <Ballig> yeah it replaces your proficiency
16:54:34 <Ballig> do you get the proficiency with another class
16:55:00 <Avatar> no
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16:55:05 <Avatar> I actually can't use it anyway
16:55:11 <Avatar> my bard is an arcane spellcaster
16:55:16 <Avatar> that's why I said this is cool
16:55:38 <MekkisScreen> balls, what are you doing about your wolf's encumberance?
16:55:59 <Ballig> not sure yet
16:56:13 <Avatar> what's wrong with your wolf's encumberance
16:56:15 <Ballig> his encumberance is a "nice to have"
16:56:22 <Ballig> he's currently encumbered so can only move 35ft
16:56:24 <Ballig> instead of 50
16:57:43 <MekkisScreen> ah
16:57:48 <MekkisScreen> fair enough
16:59:16 <Avatar> are you sure
16:59:21 <Avatar> it takes a lot to encumber a 4 legged creature
16:59:48 <MekkisScreen> you only get a 50% increase
16:59:55 <Avatar> dobs' light load is up to 400lb
17:00:06 <Avatar> what's ghost's str
17:00:13 <MekkisScreen> large, right?
17:00:18 <Avatar> yeah
17:00:58 <Ballig> it's a lot less for a medium 4-legged creature
17:02:33 <Ballig> a large quadruped gets their load tripled, a medium one just gets an extra 50%
17:03:14 <Ballig> so Ghost is carrying a medium load if he exceeds 99 lbs
17:03:24 <Avatar> wow, that sucks
17:03:54 <Ballig> I could take the level 7 size increase for him!
17:03:58 <Ballig> and be riding a large wolf!
17:04:22 <Avatar> that is shit though
17:04:32 <Ballig> ha yeah
17:04:36 <Brunius> You're having trouble enough with a medium wolf
17:04:39 <Avatar> I would just deal with the 35ft
17:04:55 <Ballig> yeah I was kidding, I wouldn't ride anything large
17:04:58 <Ballig> it would basically cripple the character
17:05:09 <Avatar> near-completely
17:05:30 <Ballig> I mean really the first step is not carrying 18 pounds worth of acid flasks
17:05:37 <Ballig> or buying a bag of holding
17:05:38 <MekkisScreen> you can change between adventure, if it's like druid animal companion
17:05:47 <Ballig> yeah I can
17:05:50 <MekkisScreen> right?
17:05:55 <Ballig> yeah
17:06:13 <Ballig> I think you're meant to lose all the bonus tricks though
17:06:30 <MekkisScreen> no. you lose all nonbonus tricks
17:06:52 <Ballig> the only nonbonus tricks I have are automatic tricks that my mount gets
17:06:59 <Ballig> that is, combat trained tricks
17:07:11 <MekkisScreen> then there's no problem
17:08:12 <Ballig> I think he loses devotion until I level again though
17:08:42 <Ballig> and evasion
17:08:43 <Ballig> that's a fairly big thing
17:10:54 <Ballig> I'm half tempted to get a bag of holding
17:18:43 <Avatar> just get a haversack
17:21:52 <Avatar> zaleary = zack
17:28:32 <MekkisScreen> get your wolf a hat of disguise, so he looks like a frog!
17:29:19 <Ballig> ha
17:29:26 <Ballig> calculating weight, I'm not far over his encumberance
17:29:30 <Ballig> it'll be fairly easy to drop a few things
17:29:38 <MekkisScreen> 18 acid flasks>
17:29:45 <Ballig> yeah :p
17:29:48 <Ballig> stupid swarms
17:30:06 <Ballig> I should keep most of them at the society!
17:30:18 <MekkisScreen> you should
17:30:27 <MekkisScreen> have I levelled up Deceased on the site yet?
17:31:04 <MekkisScreen> no
17:31:13 <MekkisScreen> he's level 6 on the site
17:31:23 <MekkisScreen> better upload him now
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17:39:29 <Steven> woot woot, cleaning up my room
17:39:53 <Steven> found a playset of oran rief the vastwood
17:42:27 <Steven> from when i used to play an avenger of zendikar deck
18:01:36 <Brunius> man
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18:46:29 <Steven> i think im going to make a ranger
18:47:51 <Ballig> I'm not sure if I want to make a druid or a summoner
18:47:57 <Avatar> I have never liked rangers
18:48:34 <Avatar> I want to build a summoner but don't know what to make for the eidolon
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18:49:35 <Ballig> I don't want an eidolon
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18:49:53 <Ballig> sup nosratheno
18:50:00 <nosratheno> heya
18:50:11 <Avatar> you look familiar
18:50:19 <Ballig> no he doesn't
18:50:30 <Avatar> I'll decide that
18:50:31 <nosratheno> yeah i decline the recent invite for tier 5-9 :P
18:50:39 <nosratheno> because im new
18:50:39 <Avatar> ahh that's why
18:51:09 <Ballig> is it because you hate us
18:51:16 <nosratheno> I have a level 1
18:51:20 <nosratheno> and thats it
18:51:28 <Ballig> also you hate us right
18:51:33 <nosratheno> no
18:51:38 <Ballig> do you just hate Avatar
18:51:40 <Ballig> that's understandable
18:51:43 <Avatar> no it's not
18:51:48 <Ballig> well I understand it
18:51:52 <Avatar> well I hate you
18:51:57 <Ballig> what, why
18:51:59 <Ballig> what did I do to you
18:52:01 <Avatar> don't know
18:52:03 <Avatar> nothing really
18:52:22 <Avatar> I'm going to make a whale eidolon
18:52:41 <Ballig> can you make an aquatic eidolon
18:52:54 <Avatar> yeah, UM
18:53:09 <nosratheno> so..whats to do for a level 1 with minimal experience of dnd 3ed circa 2000 ?
18:53:24 <Avatar> have you got a PFS character
18:53:28 <nosratheno> yes
18:53:39 <nosratheno> above mentioned lvl 1
18:53:40 <Avatar> have you figured out how PFS works
18:53:44 <nosratheno> kind of
18:53:58 <Avatar> you just find a game you can play in and sign up for that session
18:54:00 <nosratheno> i have 1st ed pathfinder rulebook
18:54:04 <nosratheno> yeah ok
18:54:05 <Avatar> you can play in the 5-9 if you want
18:54:14 <Avatar> just use a 7th level pregen and apply the credit to your 1st level man
18:54:19 <nosratheno> maybe too much too soon ?
18:54:25 <Avatar> up to you
18:54:33 <Avatar> there are other 1-5 games floating around
18:54:53 <Avatar> while you're level 1, if you see a first steps game going on, jump on that
18:55:05 <nosratheno> fair enough
18:55:10 <Brunius> Avatar is just obsessed with first steps
18:55:12 <nosratheno> where do i find said games ?
18:55:15 <Brunius> Do whatever you want
18:55:47 <Ballig> Brunius: it's fair advice to suggest a new player plays First Steps
18:56:05 <Avatar> in here we'll send invites
18:56:13 <nosratheno> ok
18:56:21 <Avatar> this place is pretty good too: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/pathfinder-society-online-collective
18:56:27 <nosratheno> ty
19:01:02 <Steven> so.... the infiltrator is pretty cool
19:01:25 <Avatar> what's that!
19:02:01 <Steven> ranger archtype
19:02:17 <Steven> replaces favored terrain
19:02:45 <Steven> you pick one of the favored enemies you have selected
19:03:34 <Steven> and you gain one thing from a list of different abilities for 10minutes /ranger level
19:04:40 <Steven> it seems pretty solid, cause i never really liked favored terrain
19:04:55 <Avatar> like what things can you select from
19:05:12 <Steven> Aberration: amphibious, darkvision 60 ft., Iron Will, natural armor +2..
19:07:34 <Avatar> what's the catch
19:07:38 <Avatar> that seems incredibly overpowered
19:07:52 <Steven> you lose favored terrain
19:07:52 <Avatar> not pfs legal maybe
19:07:58 <Avatar> favoured terrain is garbage
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19:09:15 <Steven> its legal for play
19:09:26 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger/archetypes/paizo---ranger-archetypes/infiltrator
19:10:04 <Steven> i guess you lose access to Hide in plain sight and camouflage
19:10:11 <Steven> when you arent using the adaption
19:11:39 <Steven> yeah an ifirit Infiltrator Ranger
19:11:45 <Avatar> 10 minutes per day
19:11:50 <Ballig> per level
19:11:53 <Steven> yeah
19:12:02 <Avatar> per level
19:12:06 <Ballig> 10 minutes per level per day
19:12:11 <Steven> 10 minutes per day per ranger level
19:12:14 <Ballig> so a 4th level ranger can use it for 40 minutes
19:12:21 <Ballig> has to be used in 10 minute increments
19:12:30 <Ballig> basically you could use it every time you start combat, and by 4th level you'd be using it in every encounter
19:12:39 <Steven> thats a decently long amount of time once you get 5+ levels
19:14:19 <Avatar> that is a top notch archetype
19:14:25 <Steven> for sure
19:14:29 <Avatar> I am making an infiltrator now
19:14:34 <Ballig> yeah, favoured terrain is shit
19:14:35 <Ballig> and an easy swap
19:14:37 <Steven> several of the archtypes have nat armor +2
19:14:54 <Steven> tank ranger totaly possible
19:16:02 <Avatar> how
19:16:50 <Steven> not tellin you my build son!
19:16:56 <Ballig> the shaman druids are decent
19:17:14 <Avatar> tell me and I will copy it
19:17:22 <Steven> yeah no way
19:17:29 <Avatar> I am not even making an infiltrator
19:17:51 <Steven> !throw 1d20+11 Sense Motive
19:17:52 <diebot> Steven, Sense Motive: [1d20=6] 17
19:18:04 <Steven> hmmmm..... you may be telling the truth...
19:18:49 <Steven> im gonna make a jack of all trades Infiltrator ranger
19:19:01 <Ballig> me too
19:20:01 <Steven> i wish i had some cola... i could totaly go for a rum and coke
19:26:10 <Steven> i wonder if i can talk walter into letting me play a dhampir for his homebrew
19:32:23 <Avatar> talk walter into coming in here
19:33:05 <Steven> i already told him about this chat
19:33:15 <Steven> if he wanted to come in, he would be here already
19:35:47 <Avatar> ask him what his problem is
19:35:56 <Avatar> say hey walter what is your problem ?
19:36:21 <Steven> today... probably was an overload of birthday wellwishers and drinks
19:36:44 <Avatar> is today his birthday
19:37:01 <Steven> well yesterday was
19:37:08 <Steven> but he is probably just finishing up at the bar
19:37:22 <Steven> and i declined to go, because im dumb and didnt feel like going to bar
19:37:24 <Steven> but now i want a rum and coke
19:42:23 <Avatar> if you didn't feel like going to the bar, it seems that not going to the bar is the opposite of dumb
19:43:36 <Steven> that would be accurate save for additional information i didnt tell you, and will decline to burden you with
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20:18:20 <Brunius> How do multiple babs work
20:18:23 <Brunius> like +6/+1
20:18:52 <Ballig> if you do a full attack action, you get two attacks
20:18:57 <Ballig> one using BAB +6 the other using BAB +1
20:19:40 <Ballig> the other attacks are called "iterative attacks", in case you see that phrase used in some parts of the rules
20:20:10 <Brunius> So I apply my str etc. to each attack?
20:20:16 <Ballig> yeah
20:20:23 <Brunius> Power attack too?
20:20:25 <Ballig> pretend your BAB is +1 and re-calculate it like you would your +6
20:20:36 <Ballig> let me double check power attack
20:20:42 <Brunius> Alright
20:20:52 <Hydrazine> A level 6 fighter is so much more badass than a level 2 fighter, that he can get TWO swings in the same period of time.
20:20:56 <Ballig> yeah it's on all attack rolls
20:20:58 <Hydrazine> Yes, power attack too.
20:21:03 <Ballig> so if you power attack you are power attacking with all attacks that round
20:21:12 <Brunius> CMB/CMD?
20:21:18 <Hydrazine> Yep.
20:21:29 <Ballig> if your CMB is based on an attack action, yeah
20:21:31 <Hydrazine> Assuming you're using CMBs that replace attacks and don't take a standard action.
20:21:38 <Brunius> Highest?
20:21:42 <Hydrazine> No.
20:21:42 <Ballig> depends on your action
20:21:47 <Ballig> if it's a standard action you use your highest BAB
20:21:54 <Brunius> CMD?
20:21:57 <Ballig> if it's a CMB that is part of an attack action, you use whatever BAB you are using for that attack
20:22:00 <Hydrazine> Lets say a level 6 fighter attacks, then trips. Because he can do that.
20:22:03 <Ballig> CMD is defensive, you use highest
20:22:10 <Hydrazine> You get +6 to the attack and +1 to the trip.
20:22:53 <Brunius> ok
20:23:08 <Brunius> Ranged weapons? Do I need say rapid reload?
20:23:16 <Ballig> if it's a crossbow yes
20:23:19 <Ballig> it has to be a free action
20:23:30 <Brunius> Alright
20:23:32 <Ballig> if it's a long or shortbow, you get the iterative attacks just like melee attacks
20:24:07 <Hydrazine> Thrown weapons (except shuriken) you need quick draw for.
20:24:40 <Ballig> brb
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20:24:47 <Hydrazine> This is most of why long/short bows are SO much better than crossbows.
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20:25:37 <Brunius> Well that was a simple enough level up
20:27:09 <Steven> no the reason bows are so much better than crossbows are because you can get a composite bows that can add your str score that will up your damage without dropping a ton of cash
20:28:36 <Hydrazine> And you can get full attacks per round without spending extra feats.
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20:31:19 <Steven> you can get around feats quite easily, like with a repeating crossbow, allows 5 bolts to be shot
20:31:39 <Steven> and then have an unseen servant reload for you
20:32:40 <Ballig> at that point you're using an exotic weapon
20:32:58 <Brunius> Which is a feat to use....
20:33:22 <Steven> unless you are an inquisitor
20:33:25 <Ballig> someone relying on a crossbow for ranged attacks won't get a BAB of +6 or higher for quite a while anyway
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