// #d&d — 2012-11-21
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00:02:04 <Mekkis> trust d20pfsrd to change their schema
00:02:16 <Mekkis> sure, the old one sucked
00:02:20 <Mekkis> but now my script doesn't work
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00:13:38 <Steven> sup sup
00:20:51 <Steven> pearl of power equivalent is called a Runestone of Power... and is actually way better then a pearl of power because you dont have to activate it
00:26:30 <Mekkis> !item Runestone of power
00:27:05 <Mekkis> !item Runestone%
00:27:05 <diebot> Mekkis, RUNESTONE OF POWER, 1ST LEVEL [strong transmutation] CL:17 none 2000gp, 0lb
00:27:05 <diebot> A runestone of power is a small chip of polished stone etched with a rune. Traditionally, this rune is one of many Thassilonian runes for magic, but more recently created runestones of power often substitute runes from other cultures-the nature of the rune itself has no effect on the runestone's actual powers. These objects are potent aids to all
00:27:05 <diebot> spellcasters who cast spells spontaneously (bards, inquisitors, oracles, sorcerers, and summoners, but not to spellcasters like clerics who have the option to spontaneously cast certain spells). Once per day, a spontaneous caster can draw upon a runestone of power to cast a spell-doing so is part of the spellcasting action, and expends that
00:27:05 <diebot> runestone's power for the day rather than one of the spellcaster's actual spell slots for the day. An expended runestone of power recharges its capacity after 24 hours. The spell must be of a particular level, depending on the runestone.
00:27:19 <Mekkis> expensive
00:38:28 <Steven> yup, double the cost of a pearl, but you dont have to activate it
00:51:38 <Steven> methinks its time for another nap
01:12:57 <Avatar> yo
01:57:06 <Ballig> :o)
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02:08:52 <Ballig> he's in the US
02:19:44 <Mekkis> who?
02:24:43 <Mekkis> in my experience, D&D and Pathfinder are pretty high powered as RPGs go
02:25:08 <Hydrazine> Compared to what?
02:26:02 <Mekkis> Deadlands, Monsters,
02:26:13 <Ballig> they have an internal balance though
02:26:26 <Mekkis> I'm not claiming they don't
02:29:16 <Hydrazine> We're not talking about balance, we're talking about power.
02:29:29 <Ballig> there's a reason that "high powered" is also called "unbalanced"
02:29:43 <Hydrazine> By who?
02:29:52 <Ballig> the fact that a character in another RPG only has 15hp compared to the 70hp that a D&D character has is completely irrelevant
02:29:56 <Ballig> because it's all about internal balance
02:30:51 <Hydrazine> so are we talking about power or balance? or are you saying its the same thing?
02:31:00 <Ballig> they're intrinsically linked
02:31:22 <Hydrazine> so what is power then?
02:31:27 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure I was able to pay a canadian friend some $$ through a direct deposit
02:31:31 <Hydrazine> and what is balance?
02:31:40 <Ballig> balance is the scale, power is the value on that scale
02:31:53 <Hydrazine> in relation to what?
02:32:00 <Ballig> in relation to the power of everything else
02:32:12 <Hydrazine> everything else in the game or outside of it?
02:32:22 <Ballig> in order to call something "high powered" you have to be able to compare it
02:32:27 <Ballig> you can't compare it without that baseline - which is the balance
02:33:00 <Ballig> balance is internal, so everything else in the game
02:33:04 <Hydrazine> what is the baseline?
02:33:31 <Ballig> that's determined by lots of playtesting
02:33:32 <Hydrazine> ofcourse balance is internal to the damn game. you can't play a poker hand and a spades hand in the same game, thats just stupid. nobody is going to balance their game against someone else's.
02:33:54 <Ballig> no need to get feisty
02:34:08 <Hydrazine> you keep saying internal balance, like theres some other option here.
02:34:28 <Ballig> you're getting upset because I called it internal balance instead of just sayng balance?
02:34:31 <Ballig> get a grip
02:34:56 <Hydrazine> I just want you to start making sense.
02:35:32 <Hydrazine> so, when you're talking about power, you mean power in relation to what?
02:35:42 <Ballig> to everything else in the game
02:35:44 <Ballig> we went over this already
02:35:46 <Hydrazine> to the enemies? to PCs in other game systems? to enemies in other games?
02:35:52 <Ballig> I feel it's very difficult to compare power outside of the game mechanics
02:35:55 <Ballig> because how do you compare it?
02:35:59 <Ballig> what comparison do you make?
02:36:53 <Ballig> Mekkis is saying that D&D is "high powered", so he's suggesting that you CAN compare it to other games
02:36:55 <Hydrazine> so how does pathfinder rank on this?
02:36:55 <Ballig> and I disagree
02:37:03 <Ballig> I'm not the one ranking it man, Mekkis is
02:37:04 <Ballig> why are you grilling me
02:37:24 <Hydrazine> i disagree, I think you can compare it to other games.
02:37:35 <Ballig> then you are the one that should be answering how pathfinder ranks on the list and how you make that comparison
02:38:00 <Ballig> if someone says they don't believe in god, you don't then ask them what is god's name
02:41:56 <Hydrazine> so you're saying power is how much the players can do compared to non-players.
02:42:32 <Hydrazine> I think of it more as how much a player in one game can do compared to a character in a different game. Which is more along what I think Mekkis was saying aswell.
02:42:35 <Ballig> also compared to other players. it's compared to everything, taking all game mechanics into account
02:42:54 <Ballig> but what do you mean by "do"? do you mean damage? do you mean spells that have effects?
02:43:03 <Ballig> if you mean damage, how do you compare direct HP damage between two different game systems?
02:43:25 <Ballig> and if you mean "they are capable of affecting the game world more", is that really power?
02:43:44 <Ballig> by that logic, any game that has magic is more powerful than any game that doesn't
02:44:35 <Avatar> there is a brilliant GMing guide on paizo's latest blog post
02:45:42 <Hydrazine> Keep it in the field. How much can a specialist of A do compared to a specialist of A in something else?
02:46:25 <Ballig> at that point you're talking more versatility than power. that's the sign of a good game, I would think - more freedom to "do" more things
02:46:57 <Ballig> you walk down a hallway into a computer game and you're restricted to opening the door and walking through. do it in an RPG and you can listen to the door, you can search it for traps and disable them, you can beat the door in, you can burn the door down, etc
02:47:07 <Ballig> you can "do" more things, and that's the whole point of a pen and paper RPG
02:51:11 <Hydrazine> I think exalted is a stronger system when it comes to non-combat, over D&D/pathfinder.
02:55:11 <Hydrazine> Its a big part of why I like it.
02:55:32 <Hydrazine> The combat rules also have some speed consideration based on weapon, which I think makes sense.
03:13:14 <Avatar> trust nosratheno
03:13:25 <nosratheno> ?
03:20:27 <Avatar> trust you
03:21:23 <nosratheno> Mekkis: I made a minor change to somewhat address the issue of what to do when others are engaging in combat. I switched Con and Dex around so I'd have a +2 dex bonus for use with a Light Crossbow.
03:21:38 <nosratheno> Trust me....?
03:27:40 <Hydrazine> We've been talking a bunch recently about how terrible crossbows are.
03:29:04 <nosratheno> right
03:30:29 <nosratheno> if it comes down to me needing to do all the damage then crossbows are the least of the groups concerns :D
03:31:28 <Hydrazine> Crossbows aren't terrible because of damage, they're terrible because of action economy.
03:31:35 <nosratheno> true enough
03:31:57 <Hydrazine> operating a light crossbow consistently is a full round action, unless you invest a few feats into it.
03:32:14 <Hydrazine> Slowed down to 5ft a round just to keep shooting.
03:32:28 <Mekkis> crossbows are almost universally bad
03:32:44 <Hydrazine> While at level 2, even a cleric can move, draw, and throw a club.
03:33:41 <Hydrazine> better still is if you can manage to get bow proficiency.
03:33:55 <Hydrazine> Then you can do whatever you want with your move action and still shoot.
03:35:08 <Mekkis> nosratheno, you SHOULD be using starknives
03:35:58 <nosratheno> I guess thats just my naiveness coming through. For me rp is more interesting than minmaxing. I understand the need for efficiency, and i suppose there is a line where the two meet.
03:36:04 <nosratheno> yes starknives
03:36:05 <nosratheno> lol
03:36:14 <nosratheno> i could throw them
03:36:16 <Mekkis> why are you laughing?
03:36:27 <nosratheno> 1d4 damage
03:36:44 <Hydrazine> you lose the opportunity to rp the character as soon as he dies.
03:36:50 <Mekkis> it's not the weapon, it's the fact that you're power attacking :P
03:36:50 <nosratheno> true
03:36:55 <Hydrazine> And your character loses the opportunity to keep living as soon as he dies.
03:37:02 <nosratheno> but i wasnt planning on playing big damage
03:37:17 <nosratheno> Mekkis, fair enough
03:37:20 <Hydrazine> Thus, its in both of your interests that you don't deliberately hinder your chances of living.
03:37:23 <Mekkis> there's a difference between big damage and significant damage
03:37:39 <Hydrazine> nobody expects the cleric to murder all the baddies.
03:37:50 <Hydrazine> but you wanna be useful while theres no healing or talking to do.
03:38:03 <nosratheno> ill take my shot with the crossbow :P
03:38:16 <Mekkis> that's not useful :S
03:38:51 <Hydrazine> Sure, and it you and the cleric both realize at some point 'this crossbow friggin' sucks', you can move on.
03:39:03 <Hydrazine> I had that happen to a character once.
03:39:06 <nosratheno> a fair point
03:39:13 <Hydrazine> Had a longbow. And 22 str.
03:39:14 <nosratheno> this would be my first game after all
03:39:37 <Hydrazine> Didn't shoot often enough to really make a composite MW +6 str longbow worth it.
03:39:53 <Hydrazine> So, switched to javelins.
03:42:51 <nosratheno> To be somewhat informative: I would play a suboptimal build in pfs if it was what i envisioned the character to be. This is how I feel about the game at the moment; having never played.
03:43:41 <nosratheno> I could of course try my hand at a fighter instead
03:43:44 <nosratheno> :)
03:43:57 <nosratheno> where I'd be more interested in max damage potential
03:44:00 <Hydrazine> I'm gonna warn you now that in society, the DM doesn't really pull punches. The scenarios don't really have the flexibilty for a DM to throw you a softball if you bring a weak party.
03:44:53 <nosratheno> I figured a tier 1 mod would not be entirely lethal.
03:44:56 <Hydrazine> But do consider that you get two games in between and after which you can completely redo your character if you decide it isn't quite what you want.
03:45:03 <nosratheno> ok
03:45:14 <Hydrazine> Tier 1 mods can be pretty brutal sometimes.
03:45:27 <Hydrazine> You know what a well-placed color spray does to an entire party?
03:45:39 <nosratheno> bad things
03:45:48 <Hydrazine> Thats putting it mildly.
03:45:49 <nosratheno> will save is it ?
03:45:51 <Hydrazine> Yep.
03:51:52 <Brunius> Bloody Mort-
03:52:01 <Brunius> I swear she just spams colour spray
03:52:14 <Hydrazine> Color spray wrecks fights.
03:52:32 <Hydrazine> What other level 1 spell can disable 2-3 enemies for that long?
03:52:51 <Avatar> sleep
03:52:54 <Hydrazine> And thats assuming they aren't all crammed in like sardines. You could possibly get more.
03:53:04 <Hydrazine> full round cast.
04:19:07 <Steven> i gotta say, having a cold sucks
04:22:28 <Ballig> I love it
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04:25:36 <Avatar> sczarni paladin, sing it to me
04:25:42 <Ballig> it's not about being afraid to fail
04:25:48 <Ballig> it's about the missions actually putting your main mission in jeopardy
04:25:49 <Ballig> or yourself
04:25:59 <Avatar> that's where it challenges you
04:26:01 <Avatar> to think creatively
04:26:13 <Ballig> now you're just making stuff up
04:26:20 <Avatar> no
04:26:26 <Ballig> you have to argue pretty hard with the GM to allow a creative solution to a faction mission, I've found
04:27:02 <Avatar> if you're arguing with the GM to complete a faction mission, you're completing it wrong
04:27:20 <Ballig> that's my point
04:27:24 <Ballig> but you're saying you have to do that as a cheliax
04:27:34 <Avatar> I didn't say that at all
04:27:41 <Avatar> thinking creatively and arguing with the GM are two different things
04:27:51 <Ballig> you said you have to "think creatively", I said you have to argue with the GM when you try to get creative with a faction mission
04:28:02 <Avatar> I don't mean argue creatively with the GM
04:28:12 <Ballig> how many times have you heard "Well, that makes sense, but the book says you have to do X. And you didn't."
04:28:32 <Avatar> that means not creative enough
04:28:58 <Ballig> you aren't even making sense
04:29:14 <Ballig> "being creative" means doing something not in the book
04:29:22 <Ballig> the GM isn't going to say "Well, that's not in the book, but it's REALLY not in the book so it's okay!"
04:30:41 <Avatar> I have had creative solutions work before
04:31:55 <Ballig> more often than not the GM will argue with you and tell you that you can't do it because the book doesn't say you can do it
04:32:08 <Ballig> GMs, I have found, are typically very inflexible with faction missions
04:32:23 <Avatar> I guess you're not being very creative
04:32:31 <Ballig> and the very fact that you have to get creative to begin with means that there is something wrong with Cheliax missions
04:32:31 <Avatar> what can I say
04:34:08 <Avatar> I disagree
04:41:34 <Brunius> Why has every site I ever signed up to decided it REALLY needs to email me and say happy birthday.
04:41:52 <Ballig> trying to encourage engagement
04:42:00 <Ballig> are you saying I should add that to pfrpg.com.au
04:42:31 <Brunius> Yes.
04:43:06 <Brunius> Ha, I've got three of the same email, originating at different forums.
04:55:01 <Avatar> aasimar, half-elf or halfling summoner?
04:55:24 <Brunius> aasimar
04:57:48 <Ballig> aasimar all the way
04:57:57 <Ballig> my new druid or summoner will be aasimar
04:58:18 <Avatar> I already have an aasimar druid
04:58:25 <Avatar> thanks to that now-useless vanity I picked up
04:58:36 <Ballig> yeah but I'm not talking about you
04:58:58 <Ballig> although not getting a bonus feat will be harsh
04:59:43 <Brunius> Avatar: Got any computer parts I can mooch off you?
05:00:03 <Avatar> no mooching
05:00:06 <Avatar> what do you think this is
05:00:51 <Brunius> /r/free
05:01:27 <Ballig> sounds legit
05:02:47 <Steven> that sucks man, you love me having a cold
05:02:50 <Steven> dick move bro, dick move
05:03:30 <Ballig> your suffering fuels me
05:04:10 <Steven> well then carry on!
05:04:36 <Steven> i should inform you i have taken a goodly dose of nyquil
05:04:50 <Steven> i have throat lozenges
05:05:02 <Steven> and 7up
05:05:11 <Steven> so, i am in full recovery mode
05:05:40 <Avatar> nah I have to cross aasimar off the list
05:05:58 <Avatar> it's got to be halfing to make it rideable, or half-elf to give it an extra evolution point once every 4 levels
05:06:00 <Steven> and ive got a pizza in the oven for good measure
05:06:02 <Brunius> Why?
05:06:05 <Avatar> aasimar really gives me nothing
05:06:09 <Avatar> some resistances
05:06:41 <Ballig> darkvision
05:06:50 <Avatar> summoners can cast darkvision
05:06:57 <Steven> my room mate went to the store earlier, i gave her money
05:07:00 <Steven> and a request
05:07:02 <Ballig> do you really want to have to
05:07:04 <Steven> Throat lozenges
05:07:08 <Brunius> Waste of a slot man
05:07:12 <Steven> and 7up
05:07:17 <Avatar> waste of 25gp ?
05:07:22 <Steven> she brough me home cough drops and mountain dew
05:07:23 <Avatar> waste of a race
05:07:26 <Brunius> Ha
05:07:45 <Steven> im like wheres my stuff, she hands them to me, and im like um.....
05:07:52 <Steven> and she says its the same stuff
05:07:58 <Avatar> I think I want to make a dragon style eidolon
05:08:00 <Steven> and im like, not even fucking close to what i asked for
05:08:15 <Ballig> did you beat her
05:08:28 <Steven> jerry chimes in, nope not even close... go back and get him what he asked for
05:08:35 <Steven> and she refused so i just got back from the store
05:08:52 <Ballig> why is it 25g
05:08:58 <Steven> stumbling around walmart super store sick... yeah i bought a pizza... guess who aint gettin any
05:09:07 <Steven> bitches gotta learn!
05:09:09 <Brunius> jerry
05:09:22 <Avatar> a scroll of darkvision is cheap as chips
05:09:23 <Ballig> so yuo did beat her?
05:09:25 <Brunius> ballig
05:09:26 <Brunius> walter
05:09:28 <Brunius> bobby
05:09:31 <Steven> no, jerry gets some
05:09:35 <Ballig> it's a 2nd level spell
05:09:38 <Steven> she doesnt get any
05:09:49 <Steven> jerry doesnt have a drivers license at the momment
05:09:49 <Avatar> oh, 150gp then
05:09:51 <Ballig> which makes it 150g
05:09:54 <Brunius> If I can't mooch computer parts off you, do you have any I could buy for cheap?
05:09:57 <Steven> somebody likes to speed through school zones
05:10:03 <Ballig> chips are cheaper than that
05:10:05 <Brunius> I'll be able to get my learners permit tomorrow
05:10:13 <Ballig> are you going to
05:10:16 <Steven> you go boi!
05:10:19 <Brunius> Yeah chips are v. cheap
05:10:22 <Brunius> maybe
05:10:26 <Avatar> I have a hard drive enclosure
05:10:44 <Brunius> I think I have like 5 of those
05:11:00 <Ballig> best thing is that summoners can't cast darkvision
05:11:12 <Brunius> ha
05:11:15 <Avatar> some sort of graphics card
05:11:24 <boris> ha
05:11:25 <Avatar> summoners can cast it
05:11:26 <Steven> these throat things rock
05:11:30 <Brunius> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/darkvision
05:11:31 <Ballig> nope
05:11:34 <Ballig> not on the summoner list
05:11:37 <Brunius> Show me where it says summoner
05:11:39 <Steven> i can barely feel the raging fire that was my throat
05:11:39 <Brunius> what is the brand name
05:11:39 <Avatar> UMD
05:11:44 <Ballig> that's not casting it
05:11:45 <Avatar> in the skills section
05:11:50 <Avatar> close enough
05:11:51 <Brunius> Yeah, in that case, my fighter can cast it
05:12:00 <Steven> Chloraseptic MAX
05:12:00 <Avatar> does your fighter specialise in charisma
05:12:01 <Ballig> that isn't casting it
05:12:01 <Brunius> So it's useless taking Aasimar
05:12:12 <Steven> i take it they are stronger then regular chloraseptic
05:12:14 <Ballig> that's like saying "My fighter has a rank in UMD! he's the healer! lollllll"
05:12:23 <Avatar> that is not at all the same
05:12:34 <Brunius> Why not?
05:12:41 <Ballig> how many UMD rolls do you need to make to use a scroll of darkvision
05:12:50 <Brunius> Usually with those things they just change the colour slightly
05:12:53 <Avatar> one
05:12:58 <Ballig> sure about that?
05:13:04 <Steven> im okay with that
05:13:04 <Avatar> yes ?
05:13:07 <Ballig> it's a wizard scroll, which means you need intelligence high enough to cast it
05:13:15 <Steven> the placebo effect is what makes me happy
05:13:16 <Ballig> which will require Emulate an Ability Score
05:13:41 <Avatar> my summoner isn't stupid
05:13:54 <Steven> saint cal was in on the kickstarter?
05:14:01 <Avatar> in fact you could say he is smarter than you lolz
05:14:08 <Steven> i had no money while they were doing it.
05:14:12 <Steven> well, no spare money
05:14:30 <Ballig> you have to decipher the scroll first
05:14:31 <Brunius> What is his INT
05:14:38 <Avatar> 14
05:14:39 <Ballig> that's a DC 28 on UMD on the scroll
05:14:50 <Brunius> So he is as smart as me
05:14:51 <Avatar> what do you mean decipher it
05:14:59 <Ballig> then you have to use the scroll, which is a DC 23
05:15:09 <Ballig> you have to decipher the scroll first
05:15:32 <Ballig> Decipher a Written Spell
05:15:36 <Avatar> if you buy a scroll of darkvision, you don't have to decipher it
05:15:53 <Ballig> where do the rules say that?
05:15:53 <Avatar> that's just an alternative to using detect magic/spellcraft
05:16:04 <Avatar> it's commonsense
05:16:09 <Ballig> no it's not
05:16:18 <Ballig> you have to use read magic/spellcraft to decipher a scroll before you use it
05:16:26 <Ballig> if you're UMDing instead of using spellcraft, you have to make a UMD check
05:16:38 <Avatar> I'll be using spellcraft to read scrolls
05:16:52 <Ballig> it's still two checks
05:16:56 <Ballig> a 23 spellcraft and a 23 UMD
05:17:02 <Ballig> so to reiterate: "that's not casting"
05:17:44 <Avatar> you dont' need to make a spellcraft check if you buy the scroll
05:17:51 <Avatar> you know it's a scroll of darkvision when you buy it
05:17:56 <Ballig> where does it say that?
05:18:02 <Avatar> because it's like that with everything
05:18:18 <Brunius> Except when it isn't.
05:18:18 <Avatar> unless you do some shifty black market dealz
05:18:29 <Ballig> Another
05:18:29 <Ballig> p erson’s magical writing remains incomprehensible to
05:18:30 <Ballig> even the most powerful wizard until he takes time to study
05:18:30 <Avatar> I'm talking about standard shopping though obviously
05:18:31 <Ballig> and decipher it.
05:18:31 <Ballig> that's in the rules
05:18:31 <Brunius> (See: Rod of Wonder/plane shifting)
05:18:41 <Ballig> just because you bought it and know what the scroll is, doesn't mean you know how to read it
05:18:41 <Brunius> (ERNG)
05:18:59 <Steven> next month i will though
05:19:05 <Avatar> doesn't that refer to spellbooks
05:19:10 <Steven> i cant feel my throat!
05:19:13 <Steven> woot woot
05:19:19 <Steven> hey ballig put that in your pipe and smoke it!
05:19:22 <Ballig> no
05:19:26 <Ballig> it's "arcane magical writings"
05:19:27 <Avatar> what page is it
05:19:33 <Ballig> it's applicable to both spellbooks and scrolls
05:19:41 <Avatar> where is it in the book
05:19:44 <Ballig> To decipher an arcane magical writing (such as a single
05:19:44 <Ballig> spell in another’s spellbook or on a scroll)
05:19:46 <Ballig> that's the next line
05:19:48 <Ballig> pages 218 and 219
05:19:58 <Ballig> pages 218 and 219
05:20:06 <Ballig> "Arcane Magical Writings"
05:21:18 <Brunius> ...there are 32mm OOTS minis out
05:21:22 <Brunius> I have to get these
05:21:29 <Mekkis> why?
05:21:34 <Mekkis> oots is dead, right?
05:21:47 <Brunius> The guy managed to break his arm, didn't he?
05:22:01 <Mekkis> and get several million off kickstarter
05:24:14 <Avatar> the whole section suggests you don't know what the scroll does
05:24:29 <Ballig> no it doesn't
05:24:34 <Ballig> it says that every wizard writes differently
05:24:41 <Ballig> and that it's incomprehensible to you until you decipher it
05:24:46 <Avatar> If the person who created the magical writing
05:24:47 <Avatar> is on hand to help the reader, success is also automatic.
05:24:48 <Ballig> it would be like if every person wrote English using different symbols
05:24:51 <Ballig> you would have to spend time deciphering it
05:25:09 <Hydrazine> whats the difference between 'incomprehensible' and 'don't know what it does'
05:25:13 <Ballig> do you know that the person you are buying it from is the creator? are they going to stand there and help you decipher it?
05:25:17 <Ballig> do you pay them for that?
05:25:22 <Ballig> are you still spending the time to do it when you buy it?
05:25:37 <Avatar> are you really arguing that the person who sells standard scrolls is maybe not the person who created it
05:25:44 <Avatar> therefore checks are required
05:25:56 <Ballig> right
05:26:07 <Avatar> that is dodgy man
05:26:30 <Ballig> if you were smart you would just say "I will use Read Magic on them after I buy them", because it's a 0-level Summoner spell
05:26:33 <Avatar> i don't know anyone who plays like that, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't either
05:26:33 <Ballig> but you are not a smart man
05:26:51 <Avatar> I'm not taking read magic
05:27:13 <Ballig> expect to use spellcraft then
05:27:29 <Avatar> no, automatic success
05:27:38 <Ballig> if the creator is available
05:27:47 <Avatar> the person who sells them
05:27:54 <Ballig> didn't necessarily create them
05:28:04 <Avatar> they did though
05:28:09 <Ballig> what if they sell scrolls that other adventurers find and sell to them
05:28:17 <Brunius> Bastards
05:28:19 <Brunius> How could they
05:28:19 <Avatar> if they didn't that would be exceptional
05:28:33 <Avatar> in exceptional cases yes spellcraft would be required
05:28:42 <Ballig> I don't think it's exceptional
05:28:49 <Ballig> there are all these adventurers selling scrolls
05:29:34 <Brunius> I agree
05:29:48 <Avatar> I think you are being obtuse
05:30:04 <Ballig> "obtuse" would mean that I am not understanding what you are saying
05:30:09 <Ballig> I understand what you are saying, I just don't think it's as exceptional as you do
05:30:29 <Avatar> you are being intentionally obtuse
05:30:45 <Ballig> to be "intentionally obtuse" I would have to be pretending I don't understand you
05:30:52 <Ballig> I do understand you, I just don't think it's as exceptional as you do
05:31:04 <Avatar> you are pretending that you are pretending
05:31:13 <Ballig> I just said I'm not pretending
05:31:31 <Avatar> if you want me to be an aasimar you can just say so instead of this rule argy bargy
05:31:47 <Ballig> I don't think darkvision is worth taking a race for
05:34:15 <Steven> i bet exactly how they did it
05:36:23 <Mekkis> but IMO, the comic wasn't particularly good in the first place
05:37:12 <Mekkis> it couldn't decide whether it was humourous or epic
05:53:02 <Steven> sup
05:57:24 <Avatar> decided not to roll up an infiltrator
05:59:10 <Brunius> Ha
05:59:21 <Steven> okay?
05:59:39 <Avatar> just saying sup
05:59:50 <Steven> im very dissapointed in you
05:59:58 <Steven> i am going to go tell your mother now.
06:00:09 <Avatar> what
06:43:43 <Steven> hmmmm
07:24:29 <Avatar> what's a good halfling summoner name
07:26:31 <Steven> ass clown
07:28:45 <Steven> or name him pancho
07:29:28 <Avatar> I'll name you pancho
07:29:33 <Avatar> that's your new name
07:30:30 <Steven> you're silly
07:44:24 <Mekkis> Almere
07:44:33 <Mekkis> 2a02:2a38:1:571:216:3eff:feaa:ce70
08:44:17 <Mekkis> !spell Bungle
08:44:31 <diebot> Mekkis, BUNGLE enchantment (compulsion[]) sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Duration: concentration + 2 rounds or until triggered Save: Will negates SR:yes
08:44:31 <diebot> The target takes a -20 penalty on its next attack roll or check that requires a d20 roll. The action must be one deliberately taken by the target on its turn. Creatures with more than 10 HD are unaffected by this spell.
08:44:47 <Mekkis> !spell sow thought
08:44:50 <diebot> Mekkis, SOW THOUGHT enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Duration: permanent Save: SR:Save Will negates; yes
08:44:50 <diebot> You plant an idea, concept, or suspicion in the mind of the subject. The target genuinely believes that the idea is his own, but is not required to act upon it. If the idea is contrary to the target's normal thoughts (such as making a paladin think, "I should murder my friends") the target may suspect mind-altering magic is at play. The idea must
08:44:50 <diebot> be fairly clear, enough so that it can be conveyed in one or two sentences. You do not need to share a common language for the spell to succeed, but without a common language you can only sow the most basic rudimentary ideas.
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09:02:26 <Mekkis> trust d20pfsrd to change their schema
09:02:37 <Mekkis> sure, the old one sucked
09:02:41 <Mekkis> but now my script doesn't work
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12:55:05 <Brunius> Anyone able to provide a reference?
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13:02:59 <Sn0uu> www.wikipedia.com
13:03:07 <Sn0uu> thats what I use for references :)
13:08:20 <Brunius> I meant for a job, probably should have made that clearer.
13:16:52 <Sn0uu> sona, DOM (bots), 2nd place
13:18:53 <Hydrazine> pssh.
13:19:04 <Hydrazine> dom bots are actually surprisingly hard compared to SR.
13:19:31 <Hydrazine> I think its because of how much more important positioning and teamwork is compared to just killing the enemy and pushing objectives.
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13:50:26 <Mekkis> you shouldn't use wikipedia as a reference
13:50:31 <Mekkis> it just means you're an idiot
13:52:11 <Mekkis> what should my sorcerer buy?
13:52:21 <Mekkis> 4256gp
13:52:28 <Mekkis> 11 fame
13:52:48 <Brunius> The Pearl of Power equivalent
13:52:53 <Brunius> Don't remember what it's in
14:01:00 <Mekkis> is there one
14:01:07 <Mekkis> I thought sorcerers got shitloads of slots
14:02:06 <Brunius> Yeah, fairly sure there is
14:28:37 <Brunius> Bastards
14:28:39 <Brunius> How could they
14:34:35 <Steven> i bet exactly how they did it
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15:13:18 <Steven> sup sup
15:20:31 <Steven> pearl of power equivalent is called a Runestone of Power... and is actually way better then a pearl of power because you dont have to activate it
15:26:09 <Mekkis> !item Runestone of power
15:26:44 <Mekkis> !item Runestone%
15:26:45 <diebot> Mekkis, RUNESTONE OF POWER, 1ST LEVEL [strong transmutation] CL:17 none 2000gp, 0lb
15:26:45 <diebot> A runestone of power is a small chip of polished stone etched with a rune. Traditionally, this rune is one of many Thassilonian runes for magic, but more recently created runestones of power often substitute runes from other cultures-the nature of the rune itself has no effect on the runestone's actual powers. These objects are potent aids to all
15:26:45 <diebot> spellcasters who cast spells spontaneously (bards, inquisitors, oracles, sorcerers, and summoners, but not to spellcasters like clerics who have the option to spontaneously cast certain spells). Once per day, a spontaneous caster can draw upon a runestone of power to cast a spell-doing so is part of the spellcasting action, and expends that
15:26:45 <diebot> runestone's power for the day rather than one of the spellcaster's actual spell slots for the day. An expended runestone of power recharges its capacity after 24 hours. The spell must be of a particular level, depending on the runestone.
15:26:58 <Mekkis> expensive
15:38:08 <Steven> yup, double the cost of a pearl, but you dont have to activate it
15:51:17 <Steven> methinks its time for another nap
16:12:36 <Avatar> yo
16:56:46 <Ballig> :o)
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17:46:09 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5le2m?Building-Your-Pathfinder-Society-Community-GM
17:46:45 <Mekkis> tossing up between Draconic or Arcane bloodline
17:47:03 <Avatar> arcane
17:47:08 <Mekkis> why?
17:47:14 <Avatar> everyone goes draconic
17:47:23 <Brunius> That's true.
17:47:24 <Mekkis> actually, everyone goes arcane
17:47:36 <Avatar> are you sure
17:47:37 <Mekkis> ever season 0 sorcerer is arcane!
17:47:40 <Mekkis> every*
17:47:44 <Hydrazine> Everyone goes option C.
17:47:46 <Avatar> npc's don't count
17:47:56 <Brunius> That's because season 0 was before PF was released
17:48:27 <Mekkis> indeed
17:48:53 <Mekkis> I thought everyone went elemental
17:51:50 <Mekkis> what about taking Fey bloodline
17:52:19 <Mekkis> seems rude :)
17:59:01 <Mekkis> .
21:55:25 <Brunius> Anyone able to provide a reference?
22:03:19 <Sn0uu> www.wikipedia.com
22:03:27 <Sn0uu> thats what I use for references :)
22:08:41 <Brunius> I meant for a job, probably should have made that clearer.
22:17:13 <Sn0uu> sona, DOM (bots), 2nd place
22:19:14 <Hydrazine> pssh.
22:19:24 <Hydrazine> dom bots are actually surprisingly hard compared to SR.
22:19:51 <Hydrazine> I think its because of how much more important positioning and teamwork is compared to just killing the enemy and pushing objectives.
22:50:50 <Mekkis> you shouldn't use wikipedia as a reference
22:50:52 <Mekkis> it just means you're an idiot
22:52:31 <Mekkis> what should my sorcerer buy?
22:52:42 <Mekkis> 4256gp
22:52:48 <Mekkis> 11 fame
22:53:09 <Brunius> The Pearl of Power equivalent
22:53:13 <Brunius> Don't remember what it's in
23:01:20 <Mekkis> is there one
23:01:28 <Mekkis> I thought sorcerers got shitloads of slots
23:02:27 <Brunius> Yeah, fairly sure there is
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