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58:59 <Avatar> :o)
02:23 <Avatar> I use dropbox
02:39 <Avatar> tetsu gave me a chronicle via dropbox
29:38 <Avatar> anyone had a look at the mythic playtest?
43:13 <Hydrazine> What is it?
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45:09 <Avatar> rules for rolling high-powered but not high levelled players
45:13 <Avatar> characters*
45:41 <Ballig> so that when they get to high level they are super powered?
45:56 <Hydrazine> What makes it particularly different than using like 25 point buy and trying hard?
46:00 <Avatar> I don't think levels are involved at all
46:06 <Avatar> it looks a bit like a new system, but it's not really
46:37 <Avatar> you don't level up by getting experience, you complete "trials" 
46:54 <Ballig> sounds like exalted characters in 3.5
47:42 <Hydrazine> you level up with experience in Exalted.
47:43 <Avatar> there's classes like champion and heirophant and archmage
48:01 <Ballig> I don't mean the mechanics sound like exalted
48:06 <Ballig> I mean it sounds like it was created for the same purpose
48:15 <Ballig> people who just can't be satisfied with "high-powered" but must have "super-powered"
49:30 <Hydrazine> I can't say I feel that that is the point of exalted.
49:42 <Hydrazine> A difference in power scale is not the only appeal.
49:51 <Ballig> what do you feel is the point of exalted?
50:15 <Avatar> seems a bit achievement-based
50:45 <Hydrazine> whats the point of D&D? to roleplay a better than average person in a setting with rules, no?
51:15 <Hydrazine> to have adventures.
51:31 <Ballig> but we're talking about the difference between normal and exalted
51:40 <Ballig> basically it sounds like you're trying to say "so they can be super-powered" without saying "so they can be super-powered"
52:02 <Hydrazine> No, we're talking about the difference between D&D and Exalted.
52:15 <Ballig> when I say normal I meant regular, non-exalted D&D
52:52 <Hydrazine> I was specifically talking about Exalted, which is an entirely seperate game system to D&D.
52:55 <Hydrazine> Are we confused?
53:18 <Avatar> haha there is mythic colour spray
53:40 <Ballig> yeah
53:46 <Ballig> I'm talking about exalted levels in D&D
53:50 <Ballig> I'm pretty sure they were called exalted
53:53 <Avatar> range increases to 30ft and the HD increases beyond 5 HD
53:54 <Ballig> it let you level up with two classes at once
54:01 <Ballig> so each level you could take both a level in fighter and a level in wizard
54:31 <Hydrazine> That was gesalt character advancement in 3.5 or something like that.
54:36 <Ballig> oh, gestalt
54:42 <Hydrazine> I don't remember the exact name. It was in unearthed arcana.
54:57 <Ballig> yeah it's gestalt, my bad
55:13 <Hydrazine> Now our conversation makes more sense.
55:33 <Ballig> is it easy to receive payments by paypal
55:58 <Hydrazine> No idea.
00:07 <Hydrazine> there was the book of exalted deeds in 3.5 aswell, which was full of crazy stuff.
00:18 <Ballig> yeah that book was ridiculous
01:10 <Ballig> I really should have figured out how I was going to get this guy to pay me before he was ready to pay me
03:22 <Avatar> just get him to put the $$ into your bank
08:52 <Ballig> he's in the US
19:44 <Mekkis> who?
24:43 <Mekkis> in my experience, D&D and Pathfinder are pretty high powered as RPGs go
25:08 <Hydrazine> Compared to what?
26:02 <Mekkis> Deadlands, Monsters, 
26:13 <Ballig> they have an internal balance though
26:26 <Mekkis> I'm not claiming they don't
29:16 <Hydrazine> We're not talking about balance, we're talking about power.
29:29 <Ballig> there's a reason that "high powered" is also called "unbalanced"
29:43 <Hydrazine> By who?
29:52 <Ballig> the fact that a character in another RPG only has 15hp compared to the 70hp that a D&D character has is completely irrelevant
29:56 <Ballig> because it's all about internal balance
30:51 <Hydrazine> so are we talking about power or balance? or are you saying its the same thing?
31:00 <Ballig> they're intrinsically linked
31:22 <Hydrazine> so what is power then?
31:27 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure I was able to pay a canadian friend some $$ through a direct deposit
31:31 <Hydrazine> and what is balance?
31:40 <Ballig> balance is the scale, power is the value on that scale
31:53 <Hydrazine> in relation to what?
32:00 <Ballig> in relation to the power of everything else
32:12 <Hydrazine> everything else in the game or outside of it?
32:22 <Ballig> in order to call something "high powered" you have to be able to compare it
32:27 <Ballig> you can't compare it without that baseline - which is the balance
33:00 <Ballig> balance is internal, so everything else in the game
33:04 <Hydrazine> what is the baseline?
33:31 <Ballig> that's determined by lots of playtesting
33:32 <Hydrazine> ofcourse balance is internal to the damn game. you can't play a poker hand and a spades hand in the same game, thats just stupid. nobody is going to balance their game against someone else's.
33:54 <Ballig> no need to get feisty
34:08 <Hydrazine> you keep saying internal balance, like theres some other option here.
34:28 <Ballig> you're getting upset because I called it internal balance instead of just sayng balance?
34:31 <Ballig> get a grip
34:56 <Hydrazine> I just want you to start making sense.
35:32 <Hydrazine> so, when you're talking about power, you mean power in relation to what?
35:42 <Ballig> to everything else in the game
35:44 <Ballig> we went over this already
35:46 <Hydrazine> to the enemies? to PCs in other game systems? to enemies in other games?
35:52 <Ballig> I feel it's very difficult to compare power outside of the game mechanics
35:55 <Ballig> because how do you compare it?
35:59 <Ballig> what comparison do you make?
36:53 <Ballig> Mekkis is saying that D&D is "high powered", so he's suggesting that you CAN compare it to other games
36:55 <Hydrazine> so how does pathfinder rank on this?
36:55 <Ballig> and I disagree
37:03 <Ballig> I'm not the one ranking it man, Mekkis is
37:04 <Ballig> why are you grilling me
37:24 <Hydrazine> i disagree, I think you can compare it to other games.
37:35 <Ballig> then you are the one that should be answering how pathfinder ranks on the list and how you make that comparison
38:00 <Ballig> if someone says they don't believe in god, you don't then ask them what is god's name
41:56 <Hydrazine> so you're saying power is how much the players can do compared to non-players.
42:32 <Hydrazine> I think of it more as how much a player in one game can do compared to a character in a different game. Which is more along what I think Mekkis was saying aswell.
42:35 <Ballig> also compared to other players. it's compared to everything, taking all game mechanics into account
42:54 <Ballig> but what do you mean by "do"? do you mean damage? do you mean spells that have effects?
43:03 <Ballig> if you mean damage, how do you compare direct HP damage between two different game systems?
43:25 <Ballig> and if you mean "they are capable of affecting the game world more", is that really power?
43:44 <Ballig> by that logic, any game that has magic is more powerful than any game that doesn't
45:42 <Hydrazine> Keep it in the field. How much can a specialist of A do compared to a specialist of A in something else?
46:25 <Ballig> at that point you're talking more versatility than power. that's the sign of a good game, I would think - more freedom to "do" more things
46:57 <Ballig> you walk down a hallway into a computer game and you're restricted to opening the door and walking through. do it in an RPG and you can listen to the door, you can search it for traps and disable them, you can beat the door in, you can burn the door down, etc
47:07 <Ballig> you can "do" more things, and that's the whole point of a pen and paper RPG
51:11 <Hydrazine> I think exalted is a stronger system when it comes to non-combat, over D&D/pathfinder.
55:11 <Hydrazine> Its a big part of why I like it.
55:32 <Hydrazine> The combat rules also have some speed consideration based on weapon, which I think makes sense.
13:14 <Avatar> trust nosratheno
13:25 <nosratheno> ?
20:27 <Avatar> trust you
21:23 <nosratheno> Mekkis: I made a minor change to somewhat address the issue of what to do when others are engaging in combat. I switched Con and Dex around so I'd have a +2 dex bonus for use with a Light Crossbow.
21:38 <nosratheno> Trust me....?
27:40 <Hydrazine> We've been talking a bunch recently about how terrible crossbows are.
29:04 <nosratheno> right
30:29 <nosratheno> if it comes down to me needing to do all the damage then crossbows are the least of the groups concerns :D
31:28 <Hydrazine> Crossbows aren't terrible because of damage, they're terrible because of action economy.
31:35 <nosratheno> true enough
31:57 <Hydrazine> operating a light crossbow consistently is a full round action, unless you invest a few feats into it.
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42:59 <Avatar> nosratheno
43:13 <nosratheno> yo
43:45 <N2H4> Aussie Aussie Aussie!
44:05 <Avatar> cmon
44:13 <nosratheno> lol
44:27 <nosratheno> i dont enjoy being compelled :P
45:06 <Avatar> props for trying though
47:18 <nosratheno> its a bit like voting...
48:03 <Ballig> you don't like being compelled to vote?
48:14 <nosratheno> correct
48:23 <Avatar> neither do I
48:26 <Avatar> I forgot to vote last time I had to
49:57 <Ballig> yeah I don't like voting either
50:01 <Ballig> I just choose random people to vote for
50:13 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p663?Shoes-of-Lightning-Leaping-Must-move-50ft-or
50:22 <Avatar> everybody thinks up to 50 feet, not only 50 feet
50:34 <Avatar> to the point of mockery
51:04 <Ballig> I don't agree with them
51:39 <Avatar> seems you're the only one
51:41 <Ballig> it makes the entire second-last sentence worthless if you can choose to move 5 feet with them
51:47 <Ballig> I'm the only one out of like 4 people? :p
52:01 <Avatar> 6 people, 8 if you include me and mekkis
52:21 <Ballig> it's 6 if you include you and Mekkis
52:42 <Avatar> two people favourited the one that said "is this post serious? it couldn't be clearer"
53:05 <Ballig> er
53:09 <Ballig> quite possibly the other people in the thread, man
53:22 <Avatar> click on it, they didn't post
53:33 <Avatar> you can see who it was
53:55 <Ballig> and regardless of how many people think that, I still don't agree with them
54:04 <Ballig> at best what you've got is the likelihood that you probably wont' have to argue with many GMs about it
54:13 <Ballig> but you'll have to argue with at least one
56:15 <Avatar> post your thoughts if you're that adamant
56:35 <Ballig> I don't care enough to convince strangers
56:40 <Ballig> they have their opnion I have mine
56:53 <nosratheno> Do i need skype for sunday ?
57:24 <Avatar> bit shit if 8 people won't convince you your interpretation is likely wrong and you won't even argue it
57:25 <nosratheno> sundays game that is
57:38 <Avatar> you will need skype
57:44 <nosratheno> ok
57:48 <Ballig> there are plenty of things that 8 people wouldnt' convince you otherwise of
57:59 <Ballig> 8 people in the street could stop me and tell me my religious beliefs are wrong too, but why do I care what they think?
58:00 <nosratheno> and pardon the ignorance
58:06 <Ballig> I have my opinion, they have theirs
01:20 <nosratheno> Having never played PF (and only a little 3.5 a long time ago) should I play a Fighter or Cleric. I guess fighter is easier..but I use to enjoy playing healers in WoW 
01:39 <Ballig> clerics are fairly easy to play
01:46 <nosratheno> ok
03:11 <nosratheno> not looking to minmax, and i guess its not 100% complete but this is what i have: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=550
03:40 <Avatar> the thing to know about healers in pfs is that there are lots of classes who are healers, and there are a couple of classes that are super healers
03:49 <Avatar> and sometimes a healer is enough
04:23 <nosratheno> fair enough
04:52 <Avatar> occasionally it's not, though
05:14 <Ballig> would've loved a cleric or someone who could channel in our last game
05:39 <nosratheno> ;)
07:57 <nosratheno> as long as it looks like im headed in the right direction..for a general healer
07:59 <N2H4> Pssh. Clerics shmerics.
08:12 <nosratheno> :P
08:14 <N2H4> Life oracles, thats where the money is.
08:27 <nosratheno> I've only got the core rulebook
08:27 <nosratheno> one
08:57 <Ballig> don't listen to N2H4, he's a minmaxer
09:00 <nosratheno> lol
09:34 <N2H4> And Rabble isn't just as bad?
10:41 <Ballig> he's a dumpstat, I wouldn't necessarily say minmax
10:42 <Ballig> he has too many flaws to be minmax
10:49 <N2H4> And which of mine don't?
10:59 <Ballig> all of them !
11:15 <N2H4> Thats the thing about min/maxing. Deciding which flaws are acceptable in order to be really strong at something.
11:49 <N2H4> Pssh. Hoku's useless about half the time. Nearis is useless most of the time.
12:23 <N2H4> Lyta barely does anything, and anybody with color spray beats Fork and Spork both.
13:05 <N2H4> I think Jerus was really my best attempt at true min/maxing, and he died anyway.
14:17 <Ballig> colour spray beats everybody
14:19 <Ballig> until about level 3
14:55 <N2H4> Then that says more about color spray than classes doesn't it?
18:01 <Ballig> yes
18:07 <Ballig> colour spray is absolutely overpowered at low levels
22:58 <Ballig> ha nice, this agency has a policy that you can't leave the workplace to smoke except on scheduled meal breaks
10:18 <Mekkis> wow
12:47 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you want me to FAQ that?
14:13 <Mekkis> an old, fat, paracountess-aiding cleric.
14:18 <Mekkis> I like it, nosratheno 
14:44 <nosratheno> ahh thanks
15:51 <Mekkis> colour spray at high levels isn't exactly BAD
31:18 <Mekkis> nosratheno, I'd strongly suggest you plan on what your cleric will be doing in combat
31:45 <nosratheno> Yeah. I though I'd maybe wade in and have a few swings if i could
31:47 <nosratheno> :D
31:53 <nosratheno> maybe not the best choice
32:01 <nosratheno> gang up on something
33:01 <Mekkis> what I mean, is that your character looks like it will probably feel useless in some combats, until allies start getting hurt
33:28 <nosratheno> true
33:49 <Mekkis> it's one of the problems with playing clerics in general
34:05 <nosratheno> maybe have a cup of tea
34:05 <nosratheno> :P
34:48 <nosratheno> but i did think about joining in the combat where i was least likely to get one shotted
35:07 <Mekkis> replace your mace with a longspear. That will help.
35:08 <nosratheno> is that not recommended ?
35:11 <nosratheno> ah
35:19 <nosratheno> good idea
35:37 <nosratheno> but for rp purposes the morningstar will have to stick...for now at least
35:42 <Mekkis> I would also look carefully at whether it's possible to increase your str to 13
36:03 <Mekkis> what's a half-orc doing wielding a pansy morningstar?
36:09 <nosratheno> :P
36:42 <nosratheno> its in deference and compromise with his deity, goddess of the stars
36:57 <nosratheno> but i was wondring about whether i wanted to be more battle oriented
37:39 <nosratheno> i guess i thought it would be safer to engage in a more limited capacity
37:58 <Mekkis> if you want to be fighting at all, you should try to have 13 str
38:41 <nosratheno> I will ponder the choices
39:24 <Mekkis> what I mean is, if you can take power attack, you WILL be able to do a meaningful amount of damage in combat
39:35 <nosratheno> ahh ok
40:46 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Kernigahn.pdf
40:49 <Mekkis> my cleric
40:58 <nosratheno> I do admit that i wasnt building for offense...and really I only thought that i might literally take a few swings and see if any stick; primary role being that of a healer.
41:02 <nosratheno> thanks ill have a look
41:14 <Mekkis> he's a healer
43:13 <Mekkis> one thing that is often expected of a cleric is to cast spells such as Bless on the party
43:17 <Mekkis> !spell bless
43:19 <diebot> Mekkis, BLESS enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) cleric 1, paladin 1, inquisitor 1 1 standard action Range: 50 ft. Duration: 1 min./level Save: none SR:yes (harmless)
43:19 <diebot> Bless fills your allies with courage. Each ally gains a +1 morale bonus on attack rolls and on saving throws against fear effects. Bless counters and dispels bane.
44:33 <nosratheno> is that a lvl 1
44:46 <nosratheno> as i have only one shiny lvl 1 slot
45:10 <nosratheno> it is
45:12 <nosratheno> lol
45:19 <nosratheno> well i guess that will be it
47:47 <Mekkis> you have two actually
48:02 <Mekkis> three actually
48:05 <nosratheno> bonus ?
49:01 <nosratheno> i thought i only got one bonus slot for high wis
49:02 <Mekkis> one from domain
49:06 <Mekkis> one for high wis
49:12 <nosratheno> yes and one for domain
49:14 <nosratheno> ok
49:23 <nosratheno> but domain is for doamin only right ?
50:02 <Mekkis> yes
21:13 <Steven> yups
22:51 <Avatar> it does say they must be truly repentant
23:04 <Avatar> judging that in game terms is pretty difficult
23:27 <Mekkis> I just don't break my code :P
23:46 <Steven> yeah, my friend andrew had to get an atonement before
24:04 <Avatar> my paladin is sczarni
24:17 <Steven> he went and attempted to kill his herald and his wife Jenny when he found them sleeping together
24:19 <Steven> they escaped
24:28 <Steven> with the intervention of folnor
26:30 <Steven> and now he begins every session with Thorfin w/ the announcement he will happily lose his paladin powers if means he can kill his exherald or a teammate that gets in the way of him killing his exherald
26:45 <Steven> and so we always manage to work into the story somewhere that he has spotted them
28:41 <Steven> had to restart
29:17 <Mekkis> I like Commune 1/scenario
29:31 <Steven> last time thorfin and folnor partied together, folnor(while invisible) pulled out a drawing of Jenny and Mr. Giggles(herald) 
29:42 <Steven> together on a beach
31:14 <Steven> and andrew spent the rest of the scenario on constant vigil for them
31:24 <Steven> and willingly took a -5 to his initiative
31:29 <Steven> it was halarious
35:55 <Mekkis> !item Scholar''s ring
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, SCHOLAR'S RING [moderate conjuration] CL:5 ring 8700gp, 0lb
35:56 <diebot> A scholar's ring grants complete understanding of any written text or spoken language, even one that the wearer has never encountered before (as the comprehend languages spell), as well as a +5 competence bonus on Knowledge (history) checks.   In addition, once every 5 days the wearer can invoke a legend lore spell related to a subject that she has
35:56 <diebot> been studying in the previous week, if she has attempted a Knowledge (history) check aided by the ring.
36:13 <Mekkis> wow
36:29 <Mekkis> Deceased should get that
21:01 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 24th 10am (tier 3-7,Mekkis) / Sun 25th 11am (tier 1-2 module,Caleth) || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au 
21:01 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Nov 19 06:49:08 2012
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43:07 <Sn0uu> So...
43:13 <Sn0uu> I looked online for how to get a dice bot
43:16 <Sn0uu> it doesn't work
18:58 <N2H4> http://rolz.org/?p=group
21:35 <N2H4> Huh. I think it'll even do dice for deadlands or exalted.
24:39 <Sn0uu> 10, 5, 19, 12, 19, 15, 20! :d
24:56 <N2H4> 7 numbers?
25:19 <Sn0uu> yeah why not
25:44 <N2H4> I figured you were doing something reasonable like rolling base stats.
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38:03 <Steven> hey guys
41:09 <Steven> being sick sucks so much dick
43:45 <Steven> played the haunting of hinojai
43:49 <Steven> yesterday
44:06 <Steven> we played up and just rickrolled it
44:34 N2H4 is now known as Nevergonna
44:40 Nevergonna is now known as letyoudown
44:40 <Steven> then we played below the Silver Tarn
44:44 letyoudown is now known as Nevergonna
44:50 Nevergonna is now known as turnaround
45:04 turnaround is now known as Hydrazine
45:20 <Steven> average party level 8, but we were at 7, and we chose to play up
45:32 <Steven> 7 people
45:38 <Steven> 2 party deaths
46:20 <Steven> the BBEG in that... amazing
06:04 <Brunius> The hero of canton, the man they call JAAAAAAYYYYNE
09:56 <Hydrazine> He robs from the rich and he gives to the poor!
10:05 <Hydrazine> He walked up to the man and he gave him what for!
12:11 <Hydrazine> A hero like him would be hard to explain; the hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne
12:34 * Steven yawns
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20:49 <Sn0uu> How do I join another server?
20:54 <Sn0uu> I'm using mIRC
23:29 <Sn0uu> -_-
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30:39 <Brunius> Yay for crashes
34:55 <MekkisScreen> yay?
35:56 <MekkisScreen> brunius, see how long it takes you to crash linux
36:18 <Brunius> Firefox is a RAM hog, right?
39:19 <MekkisScreen> more or less
39:39 <MekkisScreen> rmmod -f
39:50 <MekkisScreen> remove module and fuck up system
51:54 <Steven> so... whats everyone doin
53:19 <Steven> how insane is the cost of the commanders arsenal?
53:25 <Steven> i see them going for like 300-400
53:30 <Steven> freakin stupid
56:39 <Brunius> Yeah
58:31 <Steven> with suggested price of 75 bucks i think that was out of range of MOST of the commander players
59:20 <Steven> it does have some pretty good cards in it, but most decks will only be able to make use of 2 or maybe 3 of them, and with the inflated price of 300
59:29 <Steven> it would be far cheaper to just go and buy the singles
45:27 <Mekkis> anyone want a judge playmat?
46:20 <Steven> get yourself a repeat mat?
58:52 <Ballig> Sn0uu: /server -m <serveraddress>
10:30 <Steven> this day is battin a 1000
38:49 <Avatar> Mekkis: almost forgot to schedule your game
38:53 <Avatar> emails sent now
45:41 <Mekkis> Sn0uu, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/diebot-bones-release20110704.tar.bz2
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59:37 <Brunius> Avatar: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5?id=85
59:42 <Brunius> Spot the problem.
00:19 <Mekkis> you've declined!
00:27 <Ballig> wrong GM
02:37 <Avatar> I put in the right GM
02:42 <Avatar> and it's not letting me change it now
29:18 <Avatar> anyone had a look at the mythic playtest?
42:53 <Hydrazine> What is it?
44:49 <Avatar> rules for rolling high-powered but not high levelled players
44:53 <Avatar> characters*
45:21 <Ballig> so that when they get to high level they are super powered?
45:36 <Hydrazine> What makes it particularly different than using like 25 point buy and trying hard?
45:40 <Avatar> I don't think levels are involved at all
45:46 <Avatar> it looks a bit like a new system, but it's not really
46:17 <Avatar> you don't level up by getting experience, you complete "trials" 
46:34 <Ballig> sounds like exalted characters in 3.5
47:22 <Hydrazine> you level up with experience in Exalted.
47:23 <Avatar> there's classes like champion and heirophant and archmage
47:41 <Ballig> I don't mean the mechanics sound like exalted
47:46 <Ballig> I mean it sounds like it was created for the same purpose
47:55 <Ballig> people who just can't be satisfied with "high-powered" but must have "super-powered"
49:10 <Hydrazine> I can't say I feel that that is the point of exalted.
49:22 <Hydrazine> A difference in power scale is not the only appeal.
49:31 <Ballig> what do you feel is the point of exalted?
49:55 <Avatar> seems a bit achievement-based
50:25 <Hydrazine> whats the point of D&D? to roleplay a better than average person in a setting with rules, no?
50:55 <Hydrazine> to have adventures.
51:11 <Ballig> but we're talking about the difference between normal and exalted
51:20 <Ballig> basically it sounds like you're trying to say "so they can be super-powered" without saying "so they can be super-powered"
51:42 <Hydrazine> No, we're talking about the difference between D&D and Exalted.
51:55 <Ballig> when I say normal I meant regular, non-exalted D&D
52:32 <Hydrazine> I was specifically talking about Exalted, which is an entirely seperate game system to D&D.
52:35 <Hydrazine> Are we confused?
52:58 <Avatar> haha there is mythic colour spray
53:20 <Ballig> yeah
53:26 <Ballig> I'm talking about exalted levels in D&D
53:30 <Ballig> I'm pretty sure they were called exalted
53:33 <Avatar> range increases to 30ft and the HD increases beyond 5 HD
53:34 <Ballig> it let you level up with two classes at once
53:41 <Ballig> so each level you could take both a level in fighter and a level in wizard
54:11 <Hydrazine> That was gesalt character advancement in 3.5 or something like that.
54:16 <Ballig> oh, gestalt
54:21 <Hydrazine> I don't remember the exact name. It was in unearthed arcana.
54:37 <Ballig> yeah it's gestalt, my bad
54:53 <Hydrazine> Now our conversation makes more sense.
55:12 <Ballig> is it easy to receive payments by paypal
55:37 <Hydrazine> No idea.
59:47 <Hydrazine> there was the book of exalted deeds in 3.5 aswell, which was full of crazy stuff.
59:58 <Ballig> yeah that book was ridiculous
00:50 <Ballig> I really should have figured out how I was going to get this guy to pay me before he was ready to pay me
02:01 <MekkisScreen> what's the module about, and how many sessions do you anticipate?
03:02 <Avatar> just get him to put the $$ into your bank
08:32 <Ballig> he's in the US
19:24 <Mekkis> who?
24:23 <Mekkis> in my experience, D&D and Pathfinder are pretty high powered as RPGs go
24:48 <Hydrazine> Compared to what?
25:14 <fued> IM IN
25:42 <Mekkis> Deadlands, Monsters, 
25:53 <Ballig> they have an internal balance though
26:06 <Mekkis> I'm not claiming they don't
28:56 <Hydrazine> We're not talking about balance, we're talking about power.
31:38 <***> Buffer Playback...
31:38 <***> Playback Complete.
31:54 <Hydrazine> Slowed down to 5ft a round just to keep shooting.
32:07 <Mekkis> crossbows are almost universally bad
32:24 <Hydrazine> While at level 2, even a cleric can move, draw, and throw a club.
33:21 <Hydrazine> better still is if you can manage to get bow proficiency.
33:35 <Hydrazine> Then you can do whatever you want with your move action and still shoot.
34:48 <Mekkis> nosratheno, you SHOULD be using starknives
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35:38 <nosratheno> I guess thats just my naiveness coming through. For me rp is more interesting than minmaxing. I understand the need for efficiency, and i suppose there is a line where the two meet.
35:44 <nosratheno> yes starknives
35:45 <nosratheno> lol
35:54 <nosratheno> i could throw them
35:56 <Mekkis> why are you laughing?
36:07 <nosratheno> 1d4 damage
36:24 <Hydrazine> you lose the opportunity to rp the character as soon as he dies.
36:29 <Mekkis> it's not the weapon, it's the fact that you're power attacking :P
36:30 <nosratheno> true
36:35 <Hydrazine> And your character loses the opportunity to keep living as soon as he dies.
36:43 <nosratheno> but i wasnt planning on playing big damage
36:57 <nosratheno> Mekkis, fair enough
37:00 <Hydrazine> Thus, its in both of your interests that you don't deliberately hinder your chances of living.
37:02 <Mekkis> there's a difference between big damage and significant damage
37:19 <Hydrazine> nobody expects the cleric to murder all the baddies.
37:30 <Hydrazine> but you wanna be useful while theres no healing or talking to do.
37:43 <nosratheno> ill take my shot with the crossbow :P
37:55 <Mekkis> that's not useful :S
38:31 <Hydrazine> Sure, and it you and the cleric both realize at some point 'this crossbow friggin' sucks', you can move on.
38:43 <Hydrazine> I had that happen to a character once.
38:46 <nosratheno> a fair point
38:53 <Hydrazine> Had a longbow. And 22 str.
38:53 <nosratheno> this would be my first game after all
39:17 <Hydrazine> Didn't shoot often enough to really make a composite MW +6 str longbow worth it.
39:32 <Hydrazine> So, switched to javelins.
42:31 <nosratheno> To be somewhat informative: I would play a suboptimal build in pfs if it was what i envisioned the character to be. This is how I feel about the game at the moment; having never played.
43:20 <nosratheno> I could of course try my hand at a fighter instead
43:24 <nosratheno> :)
43:37 <nosratheno> where I'd be more interested in max damage potential
43:40 <Hydrazine> I'm gonna warn you now that in society, the DM doesn't really pull punches. The scenarios don't really have the flexibilty for a DM to throw you a softball if you bring a weak party.
44:33 <nosratheno> I figured a tier 1 mod would not be entirely lethal.
44:36 <Hydrazine> But do consider that you get two games in between and after which you can completely redo your character if you decide it isn't quite what you want.
44:43 <nosratheno> ok
44:54 <Hydrazine> Tier 1 mods can be pretty brutal sometimes.
45:07 <Hydrazine> You know what a well-placed color spray does to an entire party?
45:19 <nosratheno> bad things
45:28 <Hydrazine> Thats putting it mildly.
45:29 <nosratheno> will save is it ?
45:31 <Hydrazine> Yep.
51:32 <Brunius> Bloody Mort-
51:41 <Brunius> I swear she just spams colour spray
51:54 <Hydrazine> Color spray wrecks fights.
52:12 <Hydrazine> What other level 1 spell can disable 2-3 enemies for that long?
52:31 <Avatar> sleep
52:34 <Hydrazine> And thats assuming they aren't all crammed in like sardines. You could possibly get more.
52:44 <Hydrazine> full round cast.
11:49 <Sn0uu> hey
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18:47 <Steven> i gotta say, having a cold sucks
22:09 <Ballig> I love it
33:24 <Sn0uu> Hey
33:28 <Sn0uu> Game Dev guy
34:21 <Sn0uu> is he here?
34:39 <Sn0uu> or Avatar or Hydra?
36:35 <Sn0uu> hello?
37:13 <Sn0uu> Anyone here have dropbox?
40:52 <Sn0uu> I
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41:02 <Sn0uu> I'm looking for someone to send me a referal link...
41:21 <Sn0uu> get an extra 0.5 - 1 GB space depending on if you pay for it or not lol
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02:27 <Steven> that sucks man, you love me having a cold
02:30 <Steven> dick move bro, dick move
03:10 <Ballig> your suffering fuels me
03:50 <Steven> well then carry on!
04:16 <Steven> i should inform you i have taken a goodly dose of nyquil
04:30 <Steven> i have throat lozenges
04:42 <Steven> and 7up
04:51 <Steven> so, i am in full recovery mode
05:40 <Steven> and ive got a pizza in the oven for good measure
06:37 <Steven> my room mate went to the store earlier, i gave her money
06:40 <Steven> and a request
06:44 <Steven> Throat lozenges
06:52 <Steven> and 7up
07:03 <Steven> she brough me home cough drops and mountain dew
07:06 <Brunius> Ha
07:25 <Steven> im like wheres my stuff, she hands them to me, and im like um.....
07:32 <Steven> and she says its the same stuff
07:40 <Steven> and im like, not even fucking close to what i asked for
07:55 <Ballig> did you beat her
08:08 <Steven> jerry chimes in, nope not even close... go back and get him what he asked for
08:15 <Steven> and she refused so i just got back from the store
08:38 <Steven> stumbling around walmart super store sick... yeah i bought a pizza... guess who aint gettin any
08:48 <Steven> bitches gotta learn!
08:49 <Brunius> jerry
09:03 <Ballig> so yuo did beat her?
09:05 <Brunius> ballig
09:06 <Brunius> walter
09:08 <Brunius> bobby
09:11 <Steven> no, jerry gets some
09:19 <Steven> she doesnt get any
09:29 <Steven> jerry doesnt have a drivers license at the momment
09:37 <Steven> somebody likes to speed through school zones
09:45 <Brunius> I'll be able to get my learners permit tomorrow
09:53 <Ballig> are you going to
09:56 <Steven> you go boi!
10:02 <Brunius> maybe
11:06 <Steven> these throat things rock
11:19 <Steven> i can barely feel the raging fire that was my throat
11:19 <Brunius> what is the brand name
11:39 <Steven> Chloraseptic MAX
11:52 <Steven> i take it they are stronger then regular chloraseptic
12:30 <Brunius> Usually with those things they just change the colour slightly
12:44 <Steven> im okay with that
12:55 <Steven> the placebo effect is what makes me happy
13:34 <Steven> saint cal was in on the kickstarter?
13:48 <Steven> i had no money while they were doing it.
13:52 <Steven> well, no spare money
16:52 <mib_70cyi2> Hello
18:39 <Steven> next month i will though
18:50 <Steven> i cant feel my throat!
18:53 <Steven> woot woot
18:59 <Steven> hey ballig put that in your pipe and smoke it!
20:58 <Brunius> ...there are 32mm OOTS minis out
21:02 <Brunius> I have to get these
21:08 <Mekkis> why?
21:14 <Mekkis> oots is dead, right?
21:27 <Brunius> The guy managed to break his arm, didn't he?
21:41 <Mekkis> and get several million off kickstarter
36:02 <Mekkis> but IMO, the comic wasn't particularly good in the first place
36:51 <Mekkis> it couldn't decide whether it was humourous or epic
38:23 <Steven> hey guys
41:29 <Steven> being sick sucks so much dick
44:06 <Steven> played the haunting of hinojai
44:09 <Steven> yesterday
44:27 <Steven> we played up and just rickrolled it
45:00 <Steven> then we played below the Silver Tarn
45:40 <Steven> average party level 8, but we were at 7, and we chose to play up
45:52 <Steven> 7 people
45:58 <Steven> 2 party deaths
46:40 <Steven> the BBEG in that... amazing
49:00 <Mekkis> who uses dropbox, really
49:18 <N2H4> I do sometimes.
49:29 <N2H4> I've found its a faster way to send big files to Tashes.
51:09 <Sn0uu> its eating all my bandwidth :(
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06:24 <Brunius> The hero of canton, the man they call JAAAAAAYYYYNE
10:15 <Hydrazine> He robs from the rich and he gives to the poor!
10:25 <Hydrazine> He walked up to the man and he gave him what for!
12:30 <Hydrazine> A hero like him would be hard to explain; the hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne
12:54 * Steven yawns
30:59 <Brunius> Yay for crashes
35:15 <MekkisScreen> yay?
36:16 <MekkisScreen> brunius, see how long it takes you to crash linux
36:38 <Brunius> Firefox is a RAM hog, right?
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37:35 <Mekkis> use bittorrent
39:39 <MekkisScreen> more or less
39:59 <MekkisScreen> rmmod -f
40:10 <MekkisScreen> remove module and fuck up system
52:14 <Steven> so... whats everyone doin
53:39 <Steven> how insane is the cost of the commanders arsenal?
53:45 <Steven> i see them going for like 300-400
53:50 <Steven> freakin stupid
56:59 <Brunius> Yeah
58:51 <Steven> with suggested price of 75 bucks i think that was out of range of MOST of the commander players
59:40 <Steven> it does have some pretty good cards in it, but most decks will only be able to make use of 2 or maybe 3 of them, and with the inflated price of 300
59:49 <Steven> it would be far cheaper to just go and buy the singles
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44:03 <Mekkis> Almere
44:12 <Mekkis> 2a02:2a38:1:571:216:3eff:feaa:ce70
45:48 <Mekkis> anyone want a judge playmat?
46:40 <Steven> get yourself a repeat mat?
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43:57 <Mekkis> !spell Bungle
44:10 <diebot> Mekkis, BUNGLE enchantment (compulsion[]) sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Duration: concentration + 2 rounds or until triggered Save: Will negates SR:yes
44:11 <diebot> The target takes a -20 penalty on its next attack roll or check that requires a d20 roll. The action must be one deliberately taken by the target on its turn. Creatures with more than 10 HD are unaffected by this spell.
44:27 <Mekkis> !spell sow thought
44:29 <diebot> Mekkis, SOW THOUGHT enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Duration: permanent Save:  SR:Save Will negates;  yes
44:30 <diebot> You plant an idea, concept, or suspicion in the mind of the subject. The target genuinely believes that the idea is his own, but is not required to act upon it. If the idea is contrary to the target's normal thoughts (such as making a paladin think, "I should murder my friends") the target may suspect mind-altering magic is at play. The idea must
44:30 <diebot> be fairly clear, enough so that it can be conveyed in one or two sentences. You do not need to share a common language for the spell to succeed, but without a common language you can only sow the most basic rudimentary ideas.
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