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11:50 <Mekkis> yay for 104 questions
11:57 <Mekkis> brought to you by gov.au
15:09 <matt> Haha.  
15:29 <Mekkis> it seems to be in fashion for job interviews
15:46 <matt> Our prime minister eats babies.  Top that
17:06 <matt> Hey Mekkis   Do you think a cleric is a good idea?  I've been kicking aroun that idea but now sure
17:15 <matt> Not sure
17:23 <Mekkis> no idea
17:33 <Mekkis> I don't have much experience with clerics in pathfinder
17:48 <Mekkis> and my 3.5e experience was tainted by a bunch of 3.5e splat
17:53 <Mekkis> o
17:56 <matt> Ahh. 
17:57 <Mekkis> except for Ghandi
17:59 <matt> Haha
18:00 <Mekkis> he was great!
18:12 <Mekkis> macros don't always work
18:20 <Mekkis> and in some case, they're detrimental
19:04 <matt> Ya. Idk.  I think it will help players staying alive.  I might do one.  Oh I'll get my friend to sign up as well
19:48 <Avatar> clerics raise a party's survivability considerably
19:49 <matt> I think he has 3 pfs char of various levels
20:28 <Mekkis> http://montecook.livejournal.com/251404.html
20:32 <Mekkis> he left WotC!
20:42 <matt> Combat cleric makes more sense right? 
20:48 <Mort-> going to zz sooon
20:53 <Mort-> night alllzzzzzzzzz...
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20:57 <matt> The.  Nite 
21:00 <Avatar> what other cleric is there
21:16 <matt> Haha. Healing and buff bitch type
21:32 <Hydrazine> I think combat cleric was stronger in 3.5.
21:32 <Avatar> just don't make the mistake I made and do a 10 str/10 dex cleric
21:46 <Avatar> and keep in mind even a heal build will need to do more than just heal
21:51 <Hydrazine> you don't get heavy armor without a feat now, and the 3/4th bab hurts you some.
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22:03 <Avatar> clerics don't get many good spells until level 5+
22:32 <matt> They do buff nicely thought
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23:15 <Avatar> I think you'd be more of a help getting into the thick of it rather than buffing
23:52 <Avatar> I don't think most buffs work that well
23:52 <matt> Ya true. 
24:07 <Avatar> witches have two hexes - misfortune (a debuff) and fortune (a buff)
24:30 <Avatar> and misfortune is much better because the way they work is that you can only use each hex on a person once every 24 hours
24:36 <Avatar> just like how you have spells
24:53 <Mort-> Why is it you never have enough hexes
24:54 <Avatar> when you use a debuff like misfortune on a bad guy, they are debuffed then they die
25:08 <Avatar> when you use a buff like fortune on a party member, they use it up for a short while then it's gone
25:25 <Avatar> and you want to use it again later but you can't and you're a buff down
25:26 <Hydrazine> I intend to make a witch and give it a shot
25:30 <Mort-> Lol
25:41 <Avatar> intend to give fortune a shot?
25:48 <Hydrazine> Both of them
25:53 <Mort-> He wants to be a witch
25:55 <Avatar> think about it man
25:58 <Avatar> that's what happens
26:08 <Mort-> Uh. Do i have to bring a scythe?
26:11 <Avatar> say a scenario has 4 encounters and you have to complete them in a day or two
26:26 <Avatar> you'll be using misfortune on every single npc you come across
26:32 <Avatar> you'll be using fortune once on each party member
26:35 <Mekkis> negative energy channeling cleric works nicely
26:50 <Mekkis> Mort-, roll up a druid!
26:55 <Mekkis> with a scythe
26:56 <Mort-> No
27:09 <Mort-> Not interested in being a druid
27:16 <Mort-> Just doing it because he asked me to
27:57 <Mort-> Why would i even want to be a druid
28:00 <matt> Is adeuid playable?
28:12 <Mort-> I have a higher chance of being a cleric or oracle
28:30 <Hydrazine> Druids are playable.
28:34 <Hydrazine> Whats wrong with them?
28:35 <Mort-> If they are gnomes riding on rocs sure :p
28:37 <Mekkis> druids are very playable
28:40 <Hydrazine> Its easy. Be small. Get a roc.
28:46 <Mort-> Lol but i dunno
28:51 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, doesn't work anymore :)
28:56 <Hydrazine> Oh?
28:58 <Mort-> They also come with charge
29:05 <Mort-> You need ant haul
29:09 <Mekkis> Heirloom Weapon doesn't give you a masterwork weapon :S
29:17 <Avatar> I'm playing a druid
29:21 <Mort-> Rocs do not have shoulder slots!
29:30 <Avatar> a druid archetype, but that's only because I don't like the default druid setup personally
29:36 <Avatar> everyone thinks I'm crazy to choose what I chose
29:41 <Mekkis> Mort-, you're not saying things correctly
30:01 <Mekkis> As of the errata in April 2012, Rocs no longer have shoulder slots :)
30:02 <Avatar> don't advise matt to create a grolschmir
30:10 <Mort-> Yeah
30:19 <Mort-> I'm typing by cell
30:28 <Avatar> Mekkis: as of the errata in april 2012, rocs officially don't have shoulder slots
30:31 <matt> Do you use your druid summon a lot
30:41 <Mekkis> matt, never used it
30:43 <Avatar> but let's face facts, they never had them
30:51 <Mekkis> Grolschmir has 13 wisdom
30:55 <Mort-> He thinks he is a charging gnome
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31:07 <Mekkis> he's an Eagle Knight
31:18 <Hydrazine> More like a Roc Knight
31:22 <Mekkis> Every Andoran should have a falcon
31:28 <Mekkis> Grolschmir just found a big one
31:51 <Avatar> and a big lance
32:18 <Mekkis> no. That was inherited
32:22 <Mekkis> he now has three lances!
32:53 <Mekkis> and the Hide of Enkendu!
34:33 <mortswishytail> Who is he
34:37 <mortswishytail> I don't bony
34:39 <mortswishytail> Know
35:10 * Mort- is a noob
38:46 <Mort-> Whats that hide
39:00 <Mekkis> Enkendu
39:04 <Mekkis> the dragon
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40:09 <farda12> (( Hi ))
40:22 <Hydrazine> Hi.
40:35 <farda12> Can I ask a question?
40:42 <Hydrazine> I guess I can't stop you.
40:53 <farda12> Im here to play D&D but what is PFS? I heard it first time
41:14 <Hydrazine> Pathfinder!
41:19 <farda12> Oh
41:20 <Hydrazine> What sort of D&D have you played?
41:23 <farda12> I just see it
41:38 <farda12> Well actually I never played before but I read almost everything about it
41:48 <Hydrazine> Which edition?
41:58 <farda12> 4
41:59 <Hydrazine> It matters. Possibly quite alot.
42:08 <farda12> Oh ok
42:24 <farda12> So what is the time right now in the servers
42:30 <Hydrazine> We mostly play Pathfinder here, which is alot closer in rules to D&D 3.5
42:47 <Hydrazine> Which is on the surface close to 4E, and below it completely something else.
43:01 <farda12> hmm good Ill learn about it 
43:16 <farda12> Ill complete some character sheets
43:20 <Hydrazine> I think its something like midnight for channel server time.
43:23 <Mort-> Bring him the book hydra
43:25 <Mort-> Lol
43:32 <Mort-> I'm on cell
43:35 <Mort-> And lazy
43:41 <Hydrazine> Do I look like a book deliveryman to you?
44:05 <Mort-> Yes
44:12 * Mort- starts hiding
44:19 <Hydrazine> So check this out.
44:19 <Hydrazine> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
44:34 <Mort-> See?
44:49 * Mort- throws hydra a cookie
44:53 <farda12> Thanks Ill check it till the game time
45:23 <Hydrazine> What game?
45:33 <Mort-> Next game is scheduled next weekend
45:41 <Mort-> You have a whole week to read :d
45:55 <Hydrazine> Another useful resource: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
46:34 <Hydrazine> Ideally you'd get (somehow) either physical or pdf versions of the actual books and read those. Start with the core rulebook.
46:49 <Mort-> For that
46:52 <Mort-> There is uh
46:56 <Mort-> Google :-)
46:57 <Hydrazine> But that site has alot of very good stuff, and mostly accurate. Though not everything is pathfinder society legal.
47:22 <Hydrazine> They also update from game changes and errata very quickly, which i like.
47:32 <Mekkis> the paizo site is one place to get the books, if you don't mind paying a little
47:47 <Mort-> Shh there is Google!
47:54 * Mort- squeaks
48:10 <Hydrazine> I figured this new person is a smart fellow/lady that can figure out a way to get a book they desire.
48:30 <Hydrazine> If you do want to play Pathfinder with us, cool. Feel free to ask questions here.
48:30 <Mekkis> I think Avatar still has an xdcc server
48:35 <Mort-> I can't say stuff.
54:04 <Mekkis> you guys need to convince Itzamna to change his path
54:13 <Avatar> old news mekkis
54:15 <Mekkis> or he'll be an asmodeus-worshipping slaver
54:25 <Mort-> Never got a chance
54:28 <Mort-> To even see him
54:28 <Avatar> it's been all over g+
54:29 <Mekkis> yes you did
54:35 <Mort-> No
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54:42 <Mort-> That was before you started
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54:52 <Mort-> On the slavery business
54:54 <Hydrazine> Are you asking me to consciously interfere with a character's roleplay, Mek?
55:10 <Mort-> Well he got tainted by someone bad
55:29 <Mort-> We need to find that inquisitor in question and crate him up
55:32 <Mort-> Kidding.
55:39 <Mort-> Just smack him over the head
56:08 <Mort-> Mek let other people intefere with him
56:10 <Mort-> :d
56:15 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, I'm asking your character to try and influence my character... Itzamna is very influencable
56:23 <farda12>  test
56:29 <Hydrazine> Howdy Farda.
56:30 <Mekkis> failed
56:33 <farda12> Good
56:36 <Mort-> We need to sit in the same scenario first
56:45 <Hydrazine> I don't believe I currenctly have anyone in Itzamna's level range, Mekkis.
56:45 <farda12> Just trying to test the colored text
56:52 <Mekkis> oh
56:55 <Mort-> And we haven't seen itz for weeks
56:55 <Mekkis> that TPK
57:00 <Mort-> Lol
57:03 <Mort-> ^^
57:13 <Hydrazine> My highest is currently a 2.
57:36 <Mort-> Well there is mort.
58:06 <Mort-> "Currently on vacation"
58:56 <Hydrazine> I'll be alot further on making a witch once I get base stats worked out.
59:43 <Avatar> I have a what now?
59:44 <Mort-> 18 int :p
59:50 <Avatar> what's an xdcc server
00:55 <MekkisScreen> avatar
01:15 <MekkisScreen> minecraft server should be up at 108.174.58.2
01:20 <Avatar> cool
01:20 <MekkisScreen> chicago
01:22 <Mort-> 10 for all stats except for cons dex and int
01:42 <Mort-> Go elf and get 18 int 16 dex 12 cons
02:00 <Avatar> an easy way to start point buy is to just pick 4 stats you like and set them as 14, keep the other two at 10
02:00 <MekkisScreen> I'll get DNS for it working later...
02:20 <Avatar> don't really need it, it saves servers
02:34 <MekkisScreen> yeah, but I do :/
02:39 <Avatar> port ?
02:48 <MekkisScreen> 25565
02:52 <MekkisScreen> I think
02:53 <MekkisScreen> oh
02:55 <Hydrazine> Have you done so on anyone?
03:03 <MekkisScreen> centos has iptables by default
03:17 <MekkisScreen> or not
03:19 <Avatar> yeah, on my last 4 or so characters
03:23 <Avatar> once I figured out it was possible
03:29 <Avatar> is it up yet
03:32 <Avatar> I don't keep them there
03:40 <Mort-> Mort stats are that of 18 16 12
03:40 <MekkisScreen> should be
03:43 <Avatar> you put them at 14 and then you start rejigging them
03:46 <Avatar> can't poll it
03:56 <Mort-> Dump stats all 10
04:05 <Avatar> good way to keep a healthy con too
04:15 <Avatar> because it'll almost guaranteed be one of the 14s
04:22 <Avatar> you might decide to lower it to 12, but you're unlikely to go to 10
04:34 <Avatar> 12 is okay, 14 is better
04:48 <Avatar> I've seen bad things happen with a 10 con more than once
05:18 <Avatar> even a bad character will probably do okay with a 14 con
05:18 <Mekkis> http://www.10news.com/news/15221470/detail.html
05:39 <Mekkis> 12 12 12 12 14 15
06:05 <Avatar> haha
06:28 <Avatar> Mekkis: that looks like hardcore hurt me plenty stats
07:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, that's Itzamna's stats
07:26 <Avatar> does itzamna meet the other criteria
07:44 <Avatar> no, he's a summoner
09:19 <Avatar> for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about: https://plus.google.com/107575178826235648519/posts/Jm4WWKJcjVp
10:23 <Mekkis> for those of you who are new to this, before you consider taking that advise, answer the following question: "Have you ever felt that PFS was too easy?"
11:56 <Avatar> Mekkis: not working
15:03 <Avatar> I'm not suggesting everyone go on hurt me plenty rules at all
17:03 <Avatar> I don't think I'm gamey enough to ever create one
17:37 <Avatar> <Mekkis> I mean, when your modifiers are: -2 if making a full attack, +1 if blessed, +1 if hasted, +2 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30', -4 if shooting into cover; and your damage is +2+2d6 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30'
17:40 <Avatar> just noticed this
17:53 <Avatar> you don't have to keep track of all of that, and some of it you can prepare for quite well
18:28 <Avatar> some of it you probably shouldnt' prepare for - like bless and haste and cover
18:36 <Avatar> they're very situational
19:08 <Avatar> things like full attack and point blank shot and fighting humans is all related to your weapon and can be used at any time
19:17 <Avatar> those are the ones that generally don't change and you can prep
19:44 <Mekkis> I've only thought the game was too easy once
20:01 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308 - check the weapons section
20:06 <Mekkis> and that was when Mytiazair cast Shadow Projection and was utterly invulnerable for the entire scenario
20:27 <Avatar> as long as you know what deadly aim and rapid shot are (which are explained under feats), you're set to go with that kind of setup
22:48 <Avatar> I have an excellent question
22:53 <Avatar> why are gnomes more popular than halflings
24:59 <Hydrazine> The crazy.
25:10 <Hydrazine> What makes this question excellent?
26:25 <Mekkis> because there's no such thing as an evil gnome!
26:49 <Mekkis> they have spell-like abilities!
27:14 <Hydrazine> The fact that you haven't encountered one says more about either how sneaky gnomes can be, or your judgement of character, than the presence or lack of, evil gnomes.
28:27 <Mort-> Cool :-)
33:08 <Avatar> Hydrazine: it's a big mystery
33:32 <Avatar> I've never seen a gnome in PFS use a spell like ability
34:05 <Avatar> I think I've seen one of mekkis' gnomes try to use dancing lights in a way that doesn't fit the spell description at all
38:37 <Hydrazine> Maybe they just tell you they can use spell like abilities.
38:42 <Hydrazine> Its a great big racial joke.
38:44 <MekkisScreen> Avatar, try now
39:04 <Hydrazine> This is what happens when stereotypes get out of hand, people.
39:41 <MekkisScreen> avatar, you shouldn't prepare for it before the game, but if during the game, the cleric casts bless, you should cater for that BEFORE it's your turn
41:55 <Avatar> yeah before it's your turn
42:10 <Avatar> easy enough to add +1 to attacks and/or damage when it comes up
42:42 <Avatar> I mean you can just pencil in a +1 next to those on your char sheet
42:55 <Avatar> you say whiteboard, but it's not rocket science :P
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06:30 <Mort-> Oh
06:51 <Mort-> Avatar matt asked if you can start the game 3 h early
06:55 <Mort-> Its pretty late for him
07:49 <Avatar> I got these BBQ flavoured almonds
07:53 <Avatar> can't stop eating them, they taste amazing
13:41 <MekkisScreen> avatar, does the minecraft server work?
15:58 <Mort-> And also he might have a friend coming along
16:03 <Mort-> If you start later
19:32 <Mort-> Come on avatar...
19:52 <Mort-> You can wake up a little earlier on a weekend right? :p
20:12 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 diplo :p
20:13 <diebot> Mort-, diplo :p: [1d20=3] 9
20:16 <Mort-> Lol
21:50 <Mort-> Id even volunteer to skype call you!
22:05 <Mort-> or ring your house phone till you wake up :-)
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35:25 <MekkisScreen> does Avatar have a house phone?
36:31 <Brunius_AFK> Probably not
36:46 <Brunius> Being unemployed and all he might not be able to afford it
37:19 <Brunius> Avatar, is there some minecraft server going?
37:44 <Avatar> Mekkis started to set one up and it didn't work and he didn't reply
38:21 <Brunius> It works for me
38:26 <Brunius> 108.174.58.2
38:49 <Brunius> Can't tell if the lag is local or server induced though
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45:38 <Mort-> Are you serious guys
45:48 <Mort-> No house phone?
45:54 <Mort-> But seriously avatar.
46:13 <Mort-> Were depending on you to wake up early
46:35 <Mort-> The only people who are likely to be around on sat are the Americians!
46:38 <Mort-> And me!
46:54 <Mort-> If its too late they can't play!
47:04 * Mort- jumps up and down on avatar
47:15 * Mort- gives avatar a pleading look
47:22 <Mort-> You know. Big eyes and all.
48:05 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 diplomacy
48:05 <diebot> Mort-, diplomacy: [1d20=3] 9
48:08 <Mort-> :p
06:42 <MekkisScreen> brunius, does it work for you?
07:09 <Brunius> Yes
15:40 <Steven> headache suck so much
16:08 <Brunius> Indeed
24:52 <Steven> i haved fish sticks though...
24:55 <Steven> so things balance out
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28:23 <Steven> Sam informed me today that her dad wants to meet me
28:43 <Steven> guess he comming up from cali in two weeks time
28:43 <Avatar> ah works on the default port
29:11 <Steven> Should be a lot of fun.
29:41 <Brunius> certainly sounds like it
31:23 <Steven> yeah, i guess he is an engineer of something
31:35 <Brunius> ?
31:43 <Steven> like buildings
32:12 <Steven> ill ask sam when she gets out of the shower
32:49 * Steven gets evil face
32:55 <Steven> brb, im going to go ask her now
33:01 <Steven> or... maybe i wont be back
33:07 <Steven> AFK!
34:13 <Mort-> Losin a battle to the z monster
34:18 <Mort-> While at work :(
34:59 <Steven> I had to change my shirt
35:09 <Steven> she splashed me with tons of water
35:15 <Steven> I probably deserved it
35:25 <Steven> somebody... im not going to say who... goosed her
35:57 <Steven> her dad designs buildings
36:11 <Steven> not like sky scrapers, just regular ones
37:16 <Mort-> Water isn't bad
37:26 <Mort-> I could use some on my face now
37:38 <Mort-> Before i lose the battle to the z monster
39:49 <Mort-> Gah
47:42 <Avatar> Mekkis: this server is too laggy
48:22 <Steven> sam came and sat down on my lap al wet after her shower
48:46 <Mort-> Avatar pwenty puease will you start 3 h early ?
49:01 * Mort- tries the puppy eyes trick on avatar
49:03 <Steven> so now my pants are wet.  I seriously think shes tryin to get me naked.
49:32 <Steven> I am going to be taking off for the night guys, have fun.  Mort.. good luck with that
49:46 <Mort-> If it happens. Don't tell me about it
49:55 * Mort- covers her ears
51:17 <Avatar> mort: no probably not
55:36 <Mort-> Why not :(
55:53 <Mort-> Hydra and matt and his friend are counting on you :(
56:14 <Mort-> You did start games at 9 am by time before :o
57:00 <Mort-> Basically if time is set at current. Matt needs to make a will save to stay awake to plan
57:02 <Mort-> Play
57:21 <Mort-> Failure to do so means only me and hydra = can't run lol
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59:09 <Mort-> I'm not subject to will save falling asleep on the times early or late on sat
59:29 <Avatar> I'll fail my will save if I have to wake up that early
00:30 <Avatar> I don't mind if someone else wants to run a game at 10 if that's easier
04:42 <Avatar> people really need to decline a session saying with a reason
04:56 <Avatar> saying *what the reason is
05:10 <Avatar> if there's no acceptances or declines, I'm assuming people haven't looked at it yet
05:15 <Avatar> and I'm not reconsidering a timeslot based on that
06:20 <Mort-> Ill make sure you don't fail your will save
06:27 <Mort-> Give me your number :d
06:40 <Mort-> And sleep earlier lol
06:45 <Mort-> Matt is working
06:57 <Mort-> And he has a friend he could bring along
07:40 <Mort-> Put your cell under your pillow
07:45 <Mort-> Ill call till you get up
07:47 <MekkisScreen> avatar, are you implying that if I offered to run something at 10, you'd be fine?
07:47 <Mort-> :d
08:08 <Mort-> I mean I've been talking to matt!
08:13 <Avatar> yeah
08:28 <MekkisScreen> (that being said, why not force Mort to run something!)
08:30 <Avatar> we can run two games at once if it works
08:35 <Mort-> No
08:41 <Avatar> not forcing anyone to 
08:45 <Avatar> that causes dramas
08:48 <Mort-> I promised that i would never gm again :)
09:01 <Mort-> So. Alls said and done :)
09:29 <Mort-> I don't think we have enough people for 2 games
09:31 <Avatar> hold off mekkis until we get some actual complaints with the timeslot rather than mort's heresay
09:41 <Avatar> since nobody has put down comments
09:50 <Mort-> The reason why I'm making so much noise is because i have been talking to matt
10:02 <Mort-> No worries ill get him to put comments
10:14 <Mort-> Even hydra would be happy later
10:29 <Avatar> only if it means they can't make it
10:32 <Avatar> not that they don't want to
11:03 <Mort-> The problem with matt is he has work. So he stays up like 24 h or so without sleep to finish pfs game
24:09 <Mort-> I suspect what hydra does is to take a day nap and come up bright and sparky to play the night long
25:06 <Mort-> I'm not too sure id have his dedication. Or maybe the problem is i have to dodge parents if i play the night long
25:18 <Mort-> Very bad for parental faction
05:45 Mekkis sets mode -i Mekkis
05:45 Mekkis sets mode -r Mekkis
05:45 Mekkis sets mode -w Mekkis
05:45 Mekkis sets mode -x Mekkis
07:41 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1pm (Avatar, 1-7, new game), Sun 1pm (Ballig, 1-5, new game) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
07:41 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Apr 28 18:58:24 2012
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03:02 <Ballig> Mort-: it works. it doesn't automatically send the invites, we decide who gets them
03:31 <Mort-> What in lucifers name
03:41 <Mort-> 5 am omg
18:22 <Hydrazine> g'day.
18:51 <Steven> i overslept by a lot
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21:45 <Avatar> and keep in mind even a heal build will need to do more than just heal
21:51 <Hydrazine> you don't get heavy armor without a feat now, and the 3/4th bab hurts you some.
22:03 <Avatar> clerics don't get many good spells until level 5+
22:32 <matt> They do buff nicely thought
23:15 <Avatar> I think you'd be more of a help getting into the thick of it rather than buffing
23:52 <Avatar> I don't think most buffs work that well
23:52 <matt> Ya true. 
24:07 <Avatar> witches have two hexes - misfortune (a debuff) and fortune (a buff)
24:29 <Avatar> and misfortune is much better because the way they work is that you can only use each hex on a person once every 24 hours
24:35 <Avatar> just like how you have spells
24:53 <Mort-> Why is it you never have enough hexes
24:54 <Avatar> when you use a debuff like misfortune on a bad guy, they are debuffed then they die
25:08 <Avatar> when you use a buff like fortune on a party member, they use it up for a short while then it's gone
25:25 <Avatar> and you want to use it again later but you can't and you're a buff down
25:25 <Hydrazine> I intend to make a witch and give it a shot
25:30 <Mort-> Lol
25:41 <Avatar> intend to give fortune a shot?
25:48 <Hydrazine> Both of them
25:53 <Mort-> He wants to be a witch
25:55 <Avatar> think about it man
25:58 <Avatar> that's what happens
26:08 <Mort-> Uh. Do i have to bring a scythe?
26:11 <Avatar> say a scenario has 4 encounters and you have to complete them in a day or two
26:26 <Avatar> you'll be using misfortune on every single npc you come across
26:32 <Avatar> you'll be using fortune once on each party member
26:35 <Mekkis> negative energy channeling cleric works nicely
26:51 <Mekkis> Mort-, roll up a druid!
26:55 <Mekkis> with a scythe
26:56 <Mort-> No
27:09 <Mort-> Not interested in being a druid
27:16 <Mort-> Just doing it because he asked me to
27:57 <Mort-> Why would i even want to be a druid
27:59 <matt> Is adeuid playable?
28:12 <Mort-> I have a higher chance of being a cleric or oracle
28:30 <Hydrazine> Druids are playable.
28:34 <Hydrazine> Whats wrong with them?
28:35 <Mort-> If they are gnomes riding on rocs sure :p
28:37 <Mekkis> druids are very playable
28:40 <Hydrazine> Its easy. Be small. Get a roc.
28:46 <Mort-> Lol but i dunno
28:51 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, doesn't work anymore :)
28:56 <Hydrazine> Oh?
28:57 <Mort-> They also come with charge
29:05 <Mort-> You need ant haul
29:09 <Mekkis> Heirloom Weapon doesn't give you a masterwork weapon :S
29:17 <Avatar> I'm playing a druid
29:21 <Mort-> Rocs do not have shoulder slots!
29:30 <Avatar> a druid archetype, but that's only because I don't like the default druid setup personally
29:36 <Avatar> everyone thinks I'm crazy to choose what I chose
29:41 <Mekkis> Mort-, you're not saying things correctly
30:01 <Mekkis> As of the errata in April 2012, Rocs no longer have shoulder slots :)
30:02 <Avatar> don't advise matt to create a grolschmir
30:10 <Mort-> Yeah
30:19 <Mort-> I'm typing by cell
30:28 <Avatar> Mekkis: as of the errata in april 2012, rocs officially don't have shoulder slots
30:31 <matt> Do you use your druid summon a lot
30:41 <Mekkis> matt, never used it
30:43 <Avatar> but let's face facts, they never had them
30:51 <Mekkis> Grolschmir has 13 wisdom
30:55 <Mort-> He thinks he is a charging gnome
31:07 <Mekkis> he's an Eagle Knight
31:18 <Hydrazine> More like a Roc Knight
31:22 <Mekkis> Every Andoran should have a falcon
31:29 <Mekkis> Grolschmir just found a big one
31:51 <Avatar> and a big lance
32:19 <Mekkis> no. That was inherited
32:23 <Mekkis> he now has three lances!
32:53 <Mekkis> and the Hide of Enkendu!
38:45 <Mort-> Whats that hide
39:00 <Mekkis> Enkendu
39:05 <Mekkis> the dragon
40:08 <farda12> (( Hi ))
40:22 <Hydrazine> Hi.
40:35 <farda12> Can I ask a question?
40:42 <Hydrazine> I guess I can't stop you.
40:53 <farda12> Im here to play D&D but what is PFS? I heard it first time
41:14 <Hydrazine> Pathfinder!
41:19 <farda12> Oh
41:20 <Hydrazine> What sort of D&D have you played?
41:23 <farda12> I just see it
41:38 <farda12> Well actually I never played before but I read almost everything about it
41:48 <Hydrazine> Which edition?
41:58 <farda12> 4
41:59 <Hydrazine> It matters. Possibly quite alot.
42:08 <farda12> Oh ok
42:24 <farda12> So what is the time right now in the servers
42:30 <Hydrazine> We mostly play Pathfinder here, which is alot closer in rules to D&D 3.5
42:47 <Hydrazine> Which is on the surface close to 4E, and below it completely something else.
43:01 <farda12> hmm good Ill learn about it 
43:16 <farda12> Ill complete some character sheets
43:20 <Hydrazine> I think its something like midnight for channel server time.
43:23 <Mort-> Bring him the book hydra
43:25 <Mort-> Lol
43:32 <Mort-> I'm on cell
43:35 <Mort-> And lazy
43:41 <Hydrazine> Do I look like a book deliveryman to you?
44:05 <Mort-> Yes
44:12 * Mort- starts hiding
44:19 <Hydrazine> So check this out.
44:19 <Hydrazine> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
44:34 <Mort-> See?
44:49 * Mort- throws hydra a cookie
44:53 <farda12> Thanks Ill check it till the game time
45:23 <Hydrazine> What game?
45:33 <Mort-> Next game is scheduled next weekend
45:41 <Mort-> You have a whole week to read :d
45:55 <Hydrazine> Another useful resource: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
46:34 <Hydrazine> Ideally you'd get (somehow) either physical or pdf versions of the actual books and read those. Start with the core rulebook.
46:49 <Mort-> For that
46:52 <Mort-> There is uh
46:56 <Mort-> Google :-)
46:57 <Hydrazine> But that site has alot of very good stuff, and mostly accurate. Though not everything is pathfinder society legal.
47:22 <Hydrazine> They also update from game changes and errata very quickly, which i like.
47:32 <Mekkis> the paizo site is one place to get the books, if you don't mind paying a little
47:47 <Mort-> Shh there is Google!
47:54 * Mort- squeaks
48:09 <Hydrazine> I figured this new person is a smart fellow/lady that can figure out a way to get a book they desire.
48:29 <Hydrazine> If you do want to play Pathfinder with us, cool. Feel free to ask questions here.
48:30 <Mekkis> I think Avatar still has an xdcc server
48:35 <Mort-> I can't say stuff.
54:05 <Mekkis> you guys need to convince Itzamna to change his path
54:15 <Mekkis> or he'll be an asmodeus-worshipping slaver
54:24 <Mort-> Never got a chance
54:28 <Mort-> To even see him
54:30 <Mekkis> yes you did
54:35 <Mort-> No
54:42 <Mort-> That was before you started
54:52 <Mort-> On the slavery business
54:54 <Hydrazine> Are you asking me to consciously interfere with a character's roleplay, Mek?
55:09 <Mort-> Well he got tainted by someone bad
55:29 <Mort-> We need to find that inquisitor in question and crate him up
55:32 <Mort-> Kidding.
55:39 <Mort-> Just smack him over the head
56:08 <Mort-> Mek let other people intefere with him
56:10 <Mort-> :d
56:15 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, I'm asking your character to try and influence my character... Itzamna is very influencable
56:23 <farda12>  test
56:29 <Hydrazine> Howdy Farda.
56:31 <Mekkis> failed
56:33 <farda12> Good
56:36 <Mort-> We need to sit in the same scenario first
56:45 <Hydrazine> I don't believe I currenctly have anyone in Itzamna's level range, Mekkis.
56:45 <farda12> Just trying to test the colored text
56:52 <Mekkis> oh
56:55 <Mort-> And we haven't seen itz for weeks
56:56 <Mekkis> that TPK
57:00 <Mort-> Lol
57:03 <Mort-> ^^
57:13 <Hydrazine> My highest is currently a 2.
57:35 <Mort-> Well there is mort.
58:06 <Mort-> "Currently on vacation"
58:56 <Hydrazine> I'll be alot further on making a witch once I get base stats worked out.
59:43 <Avatar> I have a what now?
59:44 <Mort-> 18 int :p
59:50 <Avatar> what's an xdcc server
01:22 <Mort-> 10 for all stats except for cons dex and int
01:42 <Mort-> Go elf and get 18 int 16 dex 12 cons
02:00 <Avatar> an easy way to start point buy is to just pick 4 stats you like and set them as 14, keep the other two at 10
02:55 <Hydrazine> Have you done so on anyone?
03:19 <Avatar> yeah, on my last 4 or so characters
03:23 <Avatar> once I figured out it was possible
03:32 <Avatar> I don't keep them there
03:40 <Mort-> Mort stats are that of 18 16 12
03:43 <Avatar> you put them at 14 and then you start rejigging them
03:56 <Mort-> Dump stats all 10
04:05 <Avatar> good way to keep a healthy con too
04:15 <Avatar> because it'll almost guaranteed be one of the 14s
04:22 <Avatar> you might decide to lower it to 12, but you're unlikely to go to 10
04:34 <Avatar> 12 is okay, 14 is better
04:47 <Avatar> I've seen bad things happen with a 10 con more than once
05:18 <Avatar> even a bad character will probably do okay with a 14 con
05:19 <Mekkis> http://www.10news.com/news/15221470/detail.html
05:40 <Mekkis> 12 12 12 12 14 15
06:05 <Avatar> haha
06:28 <Avatar> Mekkis: that looks like hardcore hurt me plenty stats
07:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, that's Itzamna's stats
07:26 <Avatar> does itzamna meet the other criteria
07:44 <Avatar> no, he's a summoner
09:19 <Avatar> for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about: https://plus.google.com/107575178826235648519/posts/Jm4WWKJcjVp
10:23 <Mekkis> for those of you who are new to this, before you consider taking that advise, answer the following question: "Have you ever felt that PFS was too easy?"
15:03 <Avatar> I'm not suggesting everyone go on hurt me plenty rules at all
17:03 <Avatar> I don't think I'm gamey enough to ever create one
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19:44 <Mekkis> I've only thought the game was too easy once
20:06 <Mekkis> and that was when Mytiazair cast Shadow Projection and was utterly invulnerable for the entire scenario
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22:48 <Avatar> I have an excellent question
22:53 <Avatar> why are gnomes more popular than halflings
24:59 <Hydrazine> The crazy.
25:10 <Hydrazine> What makes this question excellent?
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26:25 <Mekkis> because there's no such thing as an evil gnome!
26:49 <Mekkis> they have spell-like abilities!
27:14 <Hydrazine> The fact that you haven't encountered one says more about either how sneaky gnomes can be, or your judgement of character, than the presence or lack of, evil gnomes.
28:27 <Mort-> Cool :-)
33:07 <Avatar> Hydrazine: it's a big mystery
33:31 <Avatar> I've never seen a gnome in PFS use a spell like ability
34:05 <Avatar> I think I've seen one of mekkis' gnomes try to use dancing lights in a way that doesn't fit the spell description at all
34:43 <MekkisScreen> mort, you should make a fighter so you know how to play one
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38:37 <Hydrazine> Maybe they just tell you they can use spell like abilities.
38:42 <Hydrazine> Its a great big racial joke.
39:03 <Hydrazine> This is what happens when stereotypes get out of hand, people.
41:04 <MekkisScreen> want me to start hosting a minecraft server again?
48:02 <Avatar> yeah
51:34 <MekkisScreen> sure...
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05:25 <Mort-> I don't intend to be a clod with a sword :p
05:38 <Mort-> But yes it would be educational
06:48 <Avatar> what?
06:55 <Avatar> oh, make a fighter
07:12 <Avatar> there's too many fighters already
07:22 <Avatar> but it would be a good idea to play a different class for some variety
07:49 <Avatar> I got these BBQ flavoured almonds
07:53 <Avatar> can't stop eating them, they taste amazing
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22:19 <Mort-> No.
22:34 * Mort- is a stubborn mur
03:17 <Mekkis> Mort-, one point of roleplaying is to extend your horizons
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18:36 <Mort-> :( i have a few fixed classes. Not popping further then that
19:06 <Mort-> Its like the abilities or play style of the class doesn't really appeal to me
24:29 <Avatar-> 3 out of about 12 though?
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25:18 <Avatar-> dumb austnet
25:41 <Avatar-> mort: roll a bard
25:41 <Mekkis> I explained to mort how hard it was to play an archer
26:03 <Avatar-> is it
26:17 <Avatar-> tristen does it pretty well?
27:05 <Mekkis> let's not bring up players into this discussion
27:27 <Mekkis> but there is a lot of organisation required in order to not slow a game to a halt
27:30 <Mekkis> same with fighters
28:14 <Avatar-> well why do you think it's hard
28:18 <Mort-> I might play a pregen fighter on sat
28:20 <Mort-> Actually
28:21 <Mort-> Maybe.
28:33 <Mekkis> Avatar-, you notice how I use a whiteboard to keep track of my combat stats?
28:34 <Mort-> Just for a vacation
28:59 <Avatar-> yeah but you're not an archer
29:01 <Mort-> Once is ok. But not really rolling a fighter
29:15 <Mekkis> yeah. An archer needs to keep track of more things
29:42 <Avatar-> mort just pick a different class that appeals to you even a bit
29:48 <Avatar-> doesn't have to be a fighter
30:33 <Avatar-> I will check out archer closer later
31:25 <Mekkis> I mean, when your modifiers are: -2 if making a full attack, +1 if blessed, +1 if hasted, +2 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30', -4 if shooting into cover; and your damage is +2+2d6 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30'
31:39 <Mekkis> there's a lot of stuff you need to keep track of
31:59 <Mekkis> it's not something you should be looking at during your turn
32:12 <Mekkis> it's something you should have ready in advance
32:52 <Mort-> Btw
32:53 <Mekkis> as a GM or fellow player, I don't care how you got your +12, I just want to know if it hit, and how much damage it did
33:14 <Mekkis> I definitely don't want to help you with your maths.
37:05 <Mort-> Magus is good training for trying to keep numbers straight ^^
37:13 <Mort-> Fun times.
37:31 <Mort-> Ah well. I think i did that accounting bit fine
38:22 <Mekkis> you probably will
38:29 <Mekkis> it's just something you need to know
39:29 <Mort-> I know where it all came from
39:41 <Mort-> Where do you think i get my fancy macros
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44:48 <Mort-> Oh shit was supposed to tell avatar
44:58 <Mort-> to try start his game earlier
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18:12 <Mekkis> macros don't always work
18:20 <Mekkis> and in some case, they're detrimental
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20:28 <Mekkis> http://montecook.livejournal.com/251404.html
20:32 <Mekkis> he left WotC!
34:33 <mortswishytail> Who is he
34:37 <mortswishytail> I don't bony
34:39 <mortswishytail> Know
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35:10 * Mort- is a noob
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54:13 <Avatar> old news mekkis
54:28 <Avatar> it's been all over g+
00:55 <MekkisScreen> avatar
01:15 <MekkisScreen> minecraft server should be up at 108.174.58.2
01:20 <Avatar> cool
01:20 <MekkisScreen> chicago
02:00 <MekkisScreen> I'll get DNS for it working later...
02:20 <Avatar> don't really need it, it saves servers
02:34 <MekkisScreen> yeah, but I do :/
02:39 <Avatar> port ?
02:48 <MekkisScreen> 25565
02:51 <MekkisScreen> I think
02:53 <MekkisScreen> oh
03:03 <MekkisScreen> centos has iptables by default
03:17 <MekkisScreen> or not
03:29 <Avatar> is it up yet
03:40 <MekkisScreen> should be
03:46 <Avatar> can't poll it
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11:56 <Avatar> Mekkis: not working
17:37 <Avatar> <Mekkis> I mean, when your modifiers are: -2 if making a full attack, +1 if blessed, +1 if hasted, +2 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30', -4 if shooting into cover; and your damage is +2+2d6 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30'
17:40 <Avatar> just noticed this
17:53 <Avatar> you don't have to keep track of all of that, and some of it you can prepare for quite well
18:28 <Avatar> some of it you probably shouldnt' prepare for - like bless and haste and cover
18:36 <Avatar> they're very situational
19:08 <Avatar> things like full attack and point blank shot and fighting humans is all related to your weapon and can be used at any time
19:17 <Avatar> those are the ones that generally don't change and you can prep
20:01 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308 - check the weapons section
20:27 <Avatar> as long as you know what deadly aim and rapid shot are (which are explained under feats), you're set to go with that kind of setup
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38:44 <MekkisScreen> Avatar, try now
39:41 <MekkisScreen> avatar, you shouldn't prepare for it before the game, but if during the game, the cleric casts bless, you should cater for that BEFORE it's your turn
41:55 <Avatar> yeah before it's your turn
42:10 <Avatar> easy enough to add +1 to attacks and/or damage when it comes up
42:42 <Avatar> I mean you can just pencil in a +1 next to those on your char sheet
42:55 <Avatar> you say whiteboard, but it's not rocket science :P
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06:30 <Mort-> Oh
06:51 <Mort-> Avatar matt asked if you can start the game 3 h early
06:55 <Mort-> Its pretty late for him
13:41 <MekkisScreen> avatar, does the minecraft server work?
15:58 <Mort-> And also he might have a friend coming along
16:03 <Mort-> If you start later
19:32 <Mort-> Come on avatar...
19:52 <Mort-> You can wake up a little earlier on a weekend right? :p
20:12 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 diplo :p
20:13 <diebot> Mort-, diplo :p: [1d20=3] 9
20:16 <Mort-> Lol
21:50 <Mort-> Id even volunteer to skype call you!
22:05 <Mort-> or ring your house phone till you wake up :-)
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35:25 <MekkisScreen> does Avatar have a house phone?
36:31 <Brunius_AFK> Probably not
36:35 Brunius_AFK is now known as Brunius
36:46 <Brunius> Being unemployed and all he might not be able to afford it
37:19 <Brunius> Avatar, is there some minecraft server going?
37:44 <Avatar> Mekkis started to set one up and it didn't work and he didn't reply
38:21 <Brunius> It works for me
38:26 <Brunius> 108.174.58.2
38:49 <Brunius> Can't tell if the lag is local or server induced though
45:38 <Mort-> Are you serious guys
45:48 <Mort-> No house phone?
45:54 <Mort-> But seriously avatar.
46:13 <Mort-> Were depending on you to wake up early
46:35 <Mort-> The only people who are likely to be around on sat are the Americians!
46:38 <Mort-> And me!
46:54 <Mort-> If its too late they can't play!
47:04 * Mort- jumps up and down on avatar
47:15 * Mort- gives avatar a pleading look
47:22 <Mort-> You know. Big eyes and all.
48:05 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 diplomacy
48:05 <diebot> Mort-, diplomacy: [1d20=3] 9
48:08 <Mort-> :p
03:02 <Ballig> Mort-: it works. it doesn't automatically send the invites, we decide who gets them
03:31 <Mort-> What in lucifers name
03:41 <Mort-> 5 am omg
06:42 <MekkisScreen> brunius, does it work for you?
07:09 <Brunius> Yes
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15:40 <Steven> headache suck so much
16:08 <Brunius> Indeed
24:52 <Steven> i haved fish sticks though...
24:55 <Steven> so things balance out
28:23 <Steven> Sam informed me today that her dad wants to meet me
28:43 <Steven> guess he comming up from cali in two weeks time
28:43 <Avatar> ah works on the default port
29:11 <Steven> Should be a lot of fun.
29:40 <Brunius> certainly sounds like it
31:23 <Steven> yeah, i guess he is an engineer of something
31:35 <Brunius> ?
31:43 <Steven> like buildings
32:12 <Steven> ill ask sam when she gets out of the shower
32:49 * Steven gets evil face
32:55 <Steven> brb, im going to go ask her now
33:01 <Steven> or... maybe i wont be back
33:07 <Steven> AFK!
18:22 <Hydrazine> g'day.
18:51 <Steven> i overslept by a lot
42:46 <Hydrazine> I mostly know what I'm doing with my witch.
42:54 <Hydrazine> I just need to actually start writing stuff down.
43:11 <Hydrazine> But I think this is normal character creaton process for me. I need to get more feel for the character too.
49:40 <Mort-> Lol
50:03 <Hydrazine> What?
50:08 <Hydrazine> How do you do it?
50:59 <Mort-> Uh just think on what i want to do
51:07 <Mort-> And try to do it
51:28 <Mort-> I guess
56:39 <Mort-> I might actually play a pregen on sat actually
56:52 <Mort-> Out of concious choice
32:52 <Hydrazine> yeah.. Hecarim's a beast in dom.
33:40 <Mort-> ?
36:01 <Hydrazine> kicking ass in league.
36:17 <Hydrazine> stomping on nubs.
36:21 <Hydrazine> With a spear.
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41:42 <Mekkis> IPv6 is really a social networking plot.  it decreases the number of localhost addresses dramatically, so you have no choice but to talk to *other* people.
42:59 <Brunius> Hey, the guy that wrote master of devils is apparently being added to the baldur's gate team
43:08 <Mekkis> oh
43:24 <Mekkis> Brunius, Stephen White is on the nethack credits!
43:50 <Avatar> lolz but its a phony
43:55 <Brunius> Is it the stephen white we know?
44:01 <Mekkis> no idea
44:07 <Mekkis> I'll ask him next time I see him
44:10 <Avatar> of course it isn't
49:33 <Mort-> Baldurs gate?
57:05 <Mort-> What are the rules on using pre gens
57:44 <Brunius> What do you mean what are the rules
57:48 <Mekkis> you have to roleplay as if they're expendable!
57:49 <Brunius> don't you have a copy of the guide?
57:51 <Mort-> Can you bring a level 4 pregen
58:01 <Brunius> Yes
58:19 <Brunius> But you either take 500 gold (250 if slow advancement path) on a level 1 character
58:30 <Brunius> Or wait until your character gets to the level the pregen is
58:36 <Brunius> At which point you can apply it
58:48 <Steve-AFK> so tired....
59:10 Steve-AFK is now known as Steven
59:26 <Steven> K.  My night is officially good.
59:36 <Steven> I am ready to answer questions aplenty!
59:39 <Mort-> We playing at 
59:46 <Mort-> 1-2 probably
00:01 <Steven> so, hows everyone doin?
00:23 <Mort-> As in bring a level 4 pregen to a 1-2 table
00:30 <Mort-> Damn tempted to do so
00:40 <Steven> cant.
00:43 <Mort-> I'm at work btw
00:45 <Mort-> Really?
00:51 <Steven> unless yo0u want to screw up the level curve in a major way
01:03 <Mort-> We can still play down right
01:24 <Steven> not if you land in the 3-4 ranger
01:36 <Steven> lets say you have a 1-2-2-4
01:37 <Mort-> I don't feel like manifesting in any of my characters
01:39 <Brunius> Steven: How much are fatpacks over there?
01:54 <Steven> level is 2.25
02:15 <Mort-> You will have a 1,2 and possibly a 4 if i drag pregen along
02:26 <Mort-> I don't think ill actually appear in any of my characters
02:33 <Steven> i would advise against dragging a level 4 along
02:40 <Mort-> Pregen is more powerful at 4
02:47 <Mort-> I only have 1s atm
02:51 <Mort-> That's the point
02:53 <Mekkis> and a 6
03:07 <Mort-> What's a 6 going to do?
03:12 <Mort-> In that?
03:13 <Steven> fat packs are around 45
03:22 <Mekkis> really?
03:26 <Mekkis> ripoff
03:30 <Brunius> That's the same price as here
03:34 <Steven> mort just make a new level 1
03:39 <Brunius> But booster boxes are only 1?
03:39 <Mort-> Raise apl to 3-4 and get the party wiped?
03:42 <Brunius> er
03:43 <Brunius> 100
03:52 <Mort-> i have. But i don't want her in the mess
03:54 <Steven> around 105 after tax
04:00 <Mort-> Not without a clw wand
04:10 <Mort-> That's why as i said i want to pregen
04:11 <Steven> what the level 2s havent bought a clw yet?
04:25 <Mort-> I don't have any 2s
04:25 <Steven> the pregens are so terribly built its not even funny
04:48 <Mort-> I won't risk her first scenario without wand
04:50 <Steven> Just build a new level 1 and run it next game you play
04:55 <Mort-> I have
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05:03 <Mort-> I said i don't want to play her
05:15 <Mort-> I rather pregen cred on her
05:23 <Mort-> Still compare a level 1 and a level 4
05:39 <Mort-> No matter how badly built the level 4 still has more advantages
05:41 <Steven> I know, if i was running a game down at the shop, and you sat down with a pregen level 4 at my table
05:54 <Steven> i would take that away and hand you a level 1
06:07 <Mort-> If i must i can do it too
06:25 <Mort-> And ill probably play a fighter just to see the expression on everyones face
06:29 <Steven> because with logic of i can run any level pregen as long as its available for the game teirs
06:35 <Ballig> the pregens just aren't optimised
06:43 <Ballig> they aren't necessarily terrible
06:48 <Steven> in a 1-7 teir scenarios, you could bring a level 7 pregen to a 1-2 table
07:03 <Ballig> Steven: pretty sure the pregen has to be the most appropriate for the subtier
07:10 <Steven> thats what im sayin
07:18 <Steven> she wants to run a level 4 pregen in a 1-2 teir.
07:19 <Ballig> and if that's not an official rule, it's one that I'd definitely enforce
07:22 <Mort-> That's why I'm asking now
07:27 <Steven> im the same way ballig
07:29 <Brunius> Mort-, just run your level 1 character
07:34 <Mort-> No
07:39 <Brunius> Worst that happens is you die and have to reroll
07:42 <Ballig> Mort-: I am pretty sure it has to be the most appropriate pregen level for the subtier
07:45 <Mort-> I want her first mission to be pregen credit
07:53 <Mort-> My reasons
08:08 <Ballig> she wants it to be pregen credit so that she doesn't have to spend the 150 gold :p
08:13 <Mort-> Ill probably do a pregen for the first time in my life
08:21 <Mort-> Not really
08:22 <Ballig> and she can get some gold from the pregen credit and then have ~500-600 gold to spend
08:30 <Mort-> Its rp reasons
08:35 <Mort-> But you wouldn't understand
08:35 <Brunius> What
08:37 <Mort-> Anyway
08:38 <Mort-> Lol
08:43 <Ballig> you have "rp reasons" for wanting to use a pregen?
08:47 <Mort-> Yeah
08:48 <Ballig> seems a bit strange
08:52 <Brunius> You have an RP reason for not using your character?
08:53 <Ballig> what are the RP reasons
08:53 <Steven> seems very suspect.
08:54 <Brunius> What?
08:59 <Brunius> Care to share with the class?
09:06 <Mort-> I want her to start her mission with a clw wand
09:09 <Mort-> Hopefully
09:10 <Ballig> er
09:13 <Ballig> that's not RP
09:16 <Mort-> Ill wait
09:20 <Mort-> I'm patient
09:25 <Ballig> how is that RP
09:28 <Steven> yeah totaly not RP reason.
09:29 <Mort-> Heh
09:39 <Ballig> was the wand passed down to her by her father?
09:41 * Mort- snickers some
09:43 <Mort-> No
09:47 <Ballig> then what's the RP reason
09:49 <Mort-> Ill pregen
09:49 <Steven> explain please?
09:54 <Mort-> Then buy the stuff
09:59 <Ballig> yeah, but what's the Rp reason
10:00 <Mort-> I owe that family too much
10:01 <Mort-> Already
10:08 <Mort-> That's between me and them
10:27 <Ballig> you're not willing to share your RP?
10:31 <Steven> !roll 1d20+5 Sense Motive.
10:31 <dicebot> Steven, Sense Motive.: [1d20=9] 14
10:33 <Mort-> So i want to see what i can do about it
10:34 <Mort-> Lol
11:27 <Steven> Mort theres no reason not to play your character.  If it was me you would play a first level pregen if youw ant to  play a pregen in a 1-2 teir, and i bet ballig makes you do the same.
11:43 <Mort-> I will roll a level 1 pregen if i must
11:45 <Mort-> :)
12:01 <Ballig> if you already had a character I'd make you play that
12:02 <Steven> so if you are going to be forced to playing a first level might as well play the one thats actually built worth a crap instead of a terrible pregen
12:02 <Mort-> ^^
12:12 <Ballig> but you definitely can't play a pregen outside the subtier
12:23 <Mort-> I don't want her in trouble
12:39 <Steven> does this new lvl 1 char have any exp on her already?
12:52 <Ballig> oh, so your real reason is you don't want to risk her dying on first steps 1?
12:52 <Ballig> :p
13:10 <Mort-> I will run her on fs
13:14 <Mort-> Maybe
13:21 <Mort-> But not before clw wand
13:24 <Steven> You're worried about her dying on first steps?
13:24 <Ballig> better off just running first steps yourself, mort
13:28 <Ballig> get GM credit if you're that worried
13:31 <Mort-> I told you
13:45 <Mort-> That i wouldn't run anything here
13:49 <Ballig> wah wah
13:52 <Steven> are you crazy... first steps is like do you know how to roll a di
13:57 <Mort-> So point is moot
14:07 <Ballig> Steven: first steps can be dangerous
14:12 <Mort-> Anyway yeah. Ill see on sat
14:25 <Steven> can be if people do stupid stuff like... say having a wizard tank
14:30 <Ballig> not necessarily
14:32 <Steven> loll
14:35 <Ballig> the final encounter of first steps 1 can be a party wipe
14:37 <Ballig> depending on the GM
14:48 <Steven> yeah i can see that
14:48 <Mort-> Maybe just to see the channels face
14:51 <Ballig> (if the GM ignores the tactics and just uses every ability the opponents in the final encounter possess, it can be an easy wipe)
14:54 <Mort-> When i roll a fighter
14:58 <Ballig> and the first encounter in first steps 2 can be dangerous if you get some bad luck
15:01 <Mort-> :d
15:02 <Steven> bobby offered to run a first steps down at the shop
15:08 <Mort-> Even if you..
15:14 <Brunius> We TPKed in about 20 minutes on the first encounter of FS2
15:17 <Steven> and i was like, no ill do that for the new guys
15:22 <Mort-> Lol
15:24 <Mort-> Any
15:33 <Brunius> Slash dead slash paralysed gunslinger shoots misfire sorcerer misfires
15:38 <Mort-> Anyway yeah just so that's how i think
15:42 <Mort-> About it
15:43 <Mekkis> Brunius, that was first steps 2
15:54 <Steven> so check out this epic encounter bobby rolled up in a homebrew
16:01 <Brunius> next round sorcerer paralysed gunslinger misfires again
16:03 <Brunius> Two bloody rounds
16:05 <Brunius> Yeah
16:13 <Steven> there was a moving carrosel(sp?)
16:22 <Steven> that you had to make a climb check to get on
16:31 <Steven> i had spider climb boots, so i ran up next to it and jumped on it
16:43 <Steven> spider climb boots stick, im now riding the carrosel
17:09 <Steven> tied off a rope party climbs on
17:14 <Steven> move to center of the thing
17:18 <Steven> moving door
17:33 <Steven> one person a round basically enters, as soon as you get in the middle
17:42 <Mort-> Ok i think I'm going to play a pregen
17:48 <Mort-> Yay historical first
17:51 <Steven> you have to make a will check DC 24 or become facinated
17:59 <Steven> no biggie
18:28 <Mort-> Your will save on ausk is probably decent
18:30 <Steven> inside is a cavalier on a mount wielding a lance who charges anyone who doesnt become facinated
18:43 <Mort-> Ow
18:59 <Steven> as a swift action he can have the carrosel cast haste, protection, stoneskin, or several other buffs on him
19:01 <Steven> OR
19:12 <Steven> cast dominate person on one person
19:33 <Mort-> Eeek
19:37 <Steven> and have them be under the control of the big bad guy
20:04 <Mort-> Ah well
20:09 <Steven> so, we manage to all get in the middle, i get charged and live with 6 life
20:20 <Steven> off of one attack at level 7
20:41 <Mort-> Be glad he dint crit
20:46 <Steven> my turn comes around again, seeing party members get dominated, him get hasted, and then stoneskin
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21:00 <Steven> I decide, okay destroy the control box for this thing
21:19 <Mekkis> are you spoiling scenarios?
21:19 <Steven> i charge the control box and roll a nat 1
21:27 <Steven> NO this was a home brew
21:43 <Mort-> He wants to tell stories lol
21:51 <Mort-> Oh well
21:56 <Steven> Walter seeing me do this decides i might be onto something and he actually hits it, and blows up the trap
21:56 <Brunius> We wouldn't want a repeat of the goblins throwing bombs adventure
21:59 <Brunius> Would we
22:45 <Steven> and bobby is so upset we ruined his encounter that he charges me in response because i was the easiet person to kill
22:49 <Mekkis> no
23:09 <Steven> so the cleric ran over and breath of lifed me
23:21 <Steven> on their turn
23:34 <Mort-> That's i guess a bit weird. Using a pregen when you actually have characters :p
23:36 <Steven> bobby charges me again before i get to go
23:45 <Mort-> Oh well my choice
24:06 <Steven> and missed
24:20 <Mort-> Yay?
24:55 <Steven> and then we proceeded to kill his dumb cavalier with 36AC
25:12 <Mort-> The boss couldn't do anything?
25:27 <Steven> his big trick was  ride by attack with lances
25:45 <Mort-> It sounds a little familiar..
25:59 <Mort-> At 7 36ac?
26:02 <Steven> we just made sure he was unable to get 10foot to charge anyone
26:08 <Mort-> That's a shit lot
26:24 <Steven> i was level 7, Walter 7, tovah 6, melissa 6, Erik 6
26:50 <Mort-> Ah. Ok i know what I'm going to do on sat!
26:51 <Mort-> I shall roll a pregen!
27:11 <Steven> and he was super upset we destroyed his hasting/stoneskin/dominating control box
27:33 <Steven> because it made the fight super easy for us
27:37 <Mort-> That's a good one
27:39 <Mort-> Ill need to do my faction missions
28:20 <Steven> even though his cavalier boss was doing like 4d6+17 damage per ride by attack
29:07 <Steven> we had to get together as a group and then dimension door over to where he was after doing a ride by and surround him
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29:29 <Mort-> Then after that. Mek you can't say i haven't played a fighter before!
29:44 <Steven> you picked the fighter pregen?
30:02 <Mort-> Bragging rights
30:16 <Mort-> Maybe
30:18 <Mort-> Not set yet
30:19 <Steven> fighter pregen? doesnt count... you havent built one yourself.
30:23 <Mort-> May go barb
30:34 <Mort-> Lol its called lemur on vacation
30:40 <Steven> mort....
30:55 <Mort-> Do pregens come in barbs?
31:03 <Steven> mort...
31:21 <Mort-> Hey. Mek said i should diversify!
31:21 <Mort-> So I'm diversifying for the weekend!
31:37 <Steven> play a cleric
31:40 <Steven> I dare you.
31:43 <Mort-> No thank you
31:50 <Mort-> Actually one session won't kill me
31:58 <Mort-> But i know matt is playing one
32:00 * Steven struts around clucking
32:05 <Steven> bok bok bok bok
32:13 <Mort-> So there isn't any point
32:22 <Steven> come on mort
32:26 <Steven> Clerics are pretty cool
32:36 <Brunius> ily windows
32:40 <Brunius> crash more plz
32:50 <Mort-> Doing double cleric
32:50 <Mort-> Ill probably take fighter pregen
32:58 <Steven> double cleric rocks!
33:00 <Mort-> Nah
33:06 <Mort-> And a monk?
33:17 <Mort-> Wow i wonder how were ever going to kill anything
33:41 <Steven> actually first level monks have the highest death rate of any class
33:45 <Mort-> Did i tell you that monk in question might decide to be a witch?
33:58 <Mort-> So you get 3 healers running around
34:02 <Mort-> Ill pass
34:10 <Mort-> Taking fighter pregen
34:13 <Steven> come on mort....
34:19 <Mort-> Yeah
34:20 <Steven> cleric it up!
34:24 <Steven> just once
34:25 <Steven> try it out
34:28 <Mort-> No
34:29 <Steven> you might like it
34:36 <Steven> thats what you're afraid of huh?
34:45 <Mort-> I fked up my last cleric run
34:47 <Mort-> Anyway
34:55 * Mort- sighs
35:08 * Steven applies a good amount of peer pressure
35:23 <Steven> Ill help you build an amazing cleric!
35:51 <Mort-> Could blame it on me
36:10 <Steven> blame what on youa?
36:25 <Mort-> No
36:26 <Mort-> i don't want to be a cleric
36:26 <Mort-> I don't want anything to do with gods
36:37 <Steven> you do realize they are fictional right?
36:38 <Mort-> The tpw
36:46 * Mort- sighs
36:49 <Mekkis> it's called a tpk
36:50 <Brunius> Clerics are awesome!
36:59 <Mort-> Yeah mno terms
37:05 <Mort-> I use.
37:05 <Mekkis> stop using them
37:07 <Steven> I know right Brunius
37:13 <Brunius> Paladins too
37:19 <Brunius> They are badass
37:19 <Steven> Paladins not so much
37:34 <Mort-> Ok
37:34 <Steven> If they could get those sticks pulled out of their ass maybe
37:43 <Mort-> I told you i have a bit of alien in me
37:47 <Mort-> I'm not a normal table top person
38:01 <Mort-> So i have some weird terms coming up now and then
38:32 <Steven> Mort.  Be a cleric of Besmara
38:32 <Mekkis> Mort-, play a melee character who isn't a magus
38:41 <Mort-> Anyway. No divine casters except for grull for now
38:46 <Mort-> Lol no way!
38:46 <Mekkis> ranger, fighter, barbarian, synthesist
38:51 <Steven> The Pirate Queen
38:53 * Mort- giggles off
38:53 <Steven> come on
38:54 <Mekkis> paladin
39:01 <Steven> get your chaotic on
39:07 <Mort-> Grull surprisingly enough is ranger
39:10 <Mort-> Heh!
39:18 * Mort- giggles a bit
39:25 <Steven> Besmara demands zero worship
39:35 <Steven> Is all about doing whatever you want to do
39:40 <Mort-> I'm not interested in any freaking god
39:44 <Mort-> Thank you
39:53 <Steven> im getting this idea
39:58 <Steven> and please correct me if im wrong
40:03 <Mort-> Ya?
40:05 <Steven> but Mort is so totaly a paladin.
40:12 <Mort-> Mort?
40:15 <Steven> they dont want to have any fun at all
40:25 <Mort-> I agree she has pally traits
40:29 <Mort-> The wizard i mean
40:37 <Steven> im talking to mek and brunius right now mort
40:43 <Mort-> Ah
40:48 <Mort-> I'm not a paladin
40:57 <Steven> well you really do act like one
40:58 <Mort-> I'm not worthy
41:03 <Mort-> Very funny
41:07 <Steven> all about doing just one thing
41:18 <Mort-> You havent seen me try to wiggle lol
41:23 <Steven> ...
41:32 <Steven> le sigh!
41:38 <Mort-> I can't play a pally.
41:41 <Mort-> I'm not worthy.
42:02 <Steven> id be willing to bet you would do remarkably well at a paladin
42:09 <Steven> you so totally goody goody
42:12 <Mort-> I have my dark side
42:26 <Mort-> Mort the wizard actually has gnome traits too :(
42:30 <Mort-> I would fall
42:37 <Steven> okay... mort
42:40 <Steven> i challenge you
42:42 <Mort-> When the devil offered me a way out of jail
42:49 <Brunius> I should play a gnome some time
42:51 <Mort-> To save my friends :d
42:56 <Mort-> Id take it.
43:14 <Mort-> Lol
43:20 <Steven> Gnome Cleric of Besmara.  Build it go!
43:36 <Mort-> No gnomes!
43:42 <Mort-> Gnomes are the root of all evil!
43:43 <Steven> okay okay
43:49 <Steven> Halfling Cleric of Besmara
43:55 <Mort-> That's better
44:13 * Mort- fur unruffles
44:47 <Mort-> Don't really care which god you want to worship
44:59 <Mort-> Just don't tell mort the wizard its one of the evil ones
45:07 <Mort-> Aka asmodeus
46:39 <Mort-> But yes. Maybe a fighter vacation might be an idea
47:02 <Mort-> But if ballig is running soi 1 i should be there
47:12 <Mort-> But not powerful enough damn it
47:43 <Steven> tellin ya... make it a Cleric vacation
48:12 <Mekkis> Brunius, please do!
48:24 <Mort-> Really need to try chase pp in avatars campaign
48:25 <Mort-> No
48:25 <Mort-> I already had mine
48:25 <Mort-> I fked up
48:27 <Brunius> Why, Mekkis?
48:43 <Mekkis> well
48:44 <Mort-> Halfling cleric? Sure!
48:51 <Mekkis> depends if you give gnomes a bad name...
49:13 <Brunius> I should make it really unusual for me
49:15 <Mort-> No gnomes
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49:16 <Brunius> And play a magus
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49:21 <Brunius> That's arcane AND melee
49:31 <Mekkis> play a synthesist
49:36 <Mekkis> that's arcane and melee
49:37 <Mekkis> :)
49:39 <Brunius> A gnome magus
49:39 <Mort-> What?
49:40 <Brunius> This will go well...
49:53 <Mort-> Don't play a synthesist here
49:56 <Brunius> What part of "I don't have the APG" didn't you understand?
49:59 <Mekkis> I still have no idea how magi work
50:07 <Mort-> Its going to get you banned from all of avatars games
50:11 <Steven> Mort you wont play a cleric because you screwed one up previously
50:13 <Mort-> Well i want to do research
50:25 <Mort-> I got my entire party killed.
50:30 <Steven> so...
50:41 <Steven> who hasnt done that before.
50:44 <Mort-> So no I'm not playing a cleric any time soon
50:52 * Brunius raises his hand tentatively
50:55 <Mekkis> Brunius...
50:59 <Mekkis> invite...
51:06 <Mort-> Here is not a good place to do synthesist
51:07 <Steven> damn it brunius, im trying to make her feel better
51:11 <Brunius> :P
51:15 <Brunius> invite?
51:17 <Mekkis> Mort-, why not
51:27 <Mort-> I think ballig and avatar won't gm games for you lol
51:30 * Steven whispers to brunius, "I haven't either!"
51:39 <Mort-> Avatar already stated his point
51:41 <Ballig> what
51:51 <Mort-> Nothing
51:52 <Ballig> oh, the synthesist
51:56 <Ballig> yeah Avatar has a thing against them
52:00 <Mort-> Were talking about the dark side
52:02 <Mort-> Do you?
52:04 <Ballig> that's not my stance though
52:12 <Mort-> If both won't run stuff for syn
52:19 <Ballig> anything can be tweaked or optimised to the point of being overpowered
52:20 <Mort-> Then no point rocking
52:30 <Mort-> Rolling
52:37 <Mort-> Because hard to get into games
52:38 <Ballig> rocking AND rolling
52:59 <Mort-> The fact avatar won't run for syn i already won't play one here
53:13 <Steven> the problem is that Magus and Synthesis take very very very very very very little not to become overpowered as shit
53:21 <Mekkis> magus?
53:35 <Mort-> Nah I'm mortal. I just got myself killed
53:36 <Mort-> :d
53:43 <Steven> yeah magus is one step down from synthesis when it comes to breakability
53:47 <Mort-> But I'm fine being a mortal
53:59 <Mort-> As i said I'm still trying to do research
54:12 * Mort- takes up a book and reads it
55:56 <Mort-> I'm not running a syn because i don't want to be excluded from 1/3rd the games here
56:26 <Mekkis> I should say that I won't run games for Mort unless she plays a paladin :)
56:30 <Mekkis> a gnome paladin!
56:35 <Steven> oh snap!
56:51 <Steven> a gnome paladin of besmara
56:59 <Mort-> What?
57:00 <Mort-> You wouldn't do that to me mek?
57:00 <Mort-> Would you?
57:01 <Mekkis> I'll let her choose the deity!
57:06 <Mort-> Please?
57:12 <Steven> no do besmara, she hates pirates
57:19 <Steven> and besmara is the pirate queen!
57:22 <Mort-> Time to find a heck care diety
57:34 <Mort-> Or unless i decide to get my preach boots on
57:51 <Mort-> Mekkis. Your not serious are you?
57:53 <Steven> there are tons of gods that dont give a rats ass about heir followers
57:59 <Mort-> Good
58:04 <Mort-> Ill go get one of those
58:05 <Steven> off the top of my head
58:07 <Steven> besmara
58:15 <Mort-> Abadar?
58:16 <Steven> that drunk god dude
58:18 <Mekkis> Aspu
58:39 <Mort-> Aspu is interesting
59:12 <Mort-> But are you really going to make me roll a gnome pally?
59:32 <Mekkis> could I?
59:38 <Mort-> Having a ln god isn't that bad
59:45 <Mort-> Your not doing the right thing
59:58 <Mekkis> nor is Avatar, for taking that stance
00:07 <Mort-> By forcing a player to do something she does not wish to do
00:09 <Mort-> Morally your wrong
00:29 <Mekkis> but that logic, so is Avatar
00:32 <Mort-> Your discriminating against a player
00:53 <Mort-> Avatars is more acceptable because he doesn't understand the class
01:17 <Mekkis> no
01:24 <Mort-> Else you must say everyone who i gm for must roll a gnome pally
01:26 <Mekkis> he's doing it because he doesn't like Nightmarew
01:27 <Mort-> You said me
01:35 <Mort-> You didn't say hydra matt
01:37 <Mekkis> (no other synthesists here)
01:38 <Mort-> Whoever else
01:45 <Steven> Mort, he isnt forcing you to do anything
01:53 <Mort-> That is player discrimination
02:06 <Steven> he is saying if you want to play at his table you have to play a Gnome Paladin
02:15 <Steven> you have the choice of not playing
02:34 <Mort-> Yeah that's 1/3rd the games gone
02:42 <Mort-> To be fair
02:49 <Mort-> He must say that to everyone else
02:54 <Mekkis> but no, I'm not serious. I still think it's wrong how you let Avatar influence what characters your playing
03:06 <Mort-> Its being practical
03:32 <Mort-> If you miss 1/3rd the games here you must as well get something else to be your main
03:33 <Steven> well as a gm you have the right to have a player not play a character
03:46 <Mort-> Guess why xyniel never appeared lol :-)
03:50 <Mort-> But again haha
04:06 <Mort-> Still waiting for bru
04:58 <Steven> okay gonna finish my new character
05:03 <Steven> and then go to bed
05:13 <Mort-> I personally think i try to do practical stuff
05:39 <Mort-> And mekkis. If you said that. Id probably try to make the best of the situation
05:47 <Mort-> Go worship abadar
05:53 <Mekkis> not Aspu?
06:03 <Mort-> And start thinking if mount or weapon is better
06:12 <Mort-> Frankly i think mount is nicer
06:17 <Mort-> But maybe that's me
06:26 <Steven> Even though Abadar restricts your actions a lot
06:32 <Mort-> He is ln
06:46 <Steven> and you have to be fair to EVERYONE
06:49 <Mort-> I always wondered what its like playing a fully lawful character
07:07 <Steven> you cant cheat anyone ever even if they are your enemy
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07:17 <Mort-> Hm
07:20 <Mort-> May reconsider
07:37 <Steven> ide say aspu is pretty good god to worship
07:41 <Mort-> Might even go yuelal
07:48 <Mort-> Using adopted trait
08:03 <Steven> terrible weapon though
08:11 <Steven> quarterstaff so bad
08:28 <Mort-> Pally has full weapon profeciency
08:52 <Mort-> Mek. No offense meant but i generally don't like things people have done before
09:01 <Mekkis> my kingmaker character worships Aspu
09:03 <Mort-> To me its like doing a copy cat thing
09:05 <Mort-> I know
09:11 <Mort-> That's one reason i may not do it
09:31 <Mekkis> it's the state religion!
09:37 <Mort-> I don't deny it works and stuff
09:46 <Mort-> But just because someone has done it before
09:49 <Steven> well mort... think of it this way there are prolly 300k pathfinder players in the world
09:52 <Mort-> Is probably why i won't do it
10:13 <Steven> whatever you can do, someone somewhere has already done
10:16 <Mort-> Unless no other choice
10:17 <Steven> so you better stop playing now
10:26 <Mort-> I think its like pirating another persons idea
10:37 <Mort-> Especially since the person told you straight
10:53 <Mort-> If they post in forums its because they want the world to know
11:10 <Mort-> Feel free to pirate
11:25 <Steven> oh man, gonna take this first level im bard
11:30 <Steven> second level in bard
11:35 <Steven> then the rest witch
11:40 <Mort-> Feel free
11:45 <Steven> im going to have to many first level spells available to cast lol
11:47 <Mort-> Weren't you oracle?
11:58 <Steven> or rather
12:02 <Steven> zero level spells
12:11 <Mort-> Oracle and bard can mix
12:15 <Mort-> But witch?
12:29 <Steven> yeah...
13:10 <Steven> Misfortune on undead isnt overpowered at all.
13:31 <Mort-> You have 2 casting stats
13:36 <Mort-> Int and cia
13:37 <Steven> yeah
13:39 <Mort-> Cha
13:55 <Mort-> I thought also about a bardic pally lol
14:07 <Steven> but you dont have to max both stats ya know
14:09 <Mort-> Then was wondering how you cast in plate :p
14:15 <Mort-> Ya
14:20 <Mort-> Your choice
14:40 <Mort-> Oh well
14:59 <Mort-> Your light armor will affect your witch spells
15:00 <Steven> i am going to have....
15:02 <Steven> 11 cha
15:09 <Steven> so i can cast first level spells from bard
15:22 <Mort-> Dipping?
17:23 <Mort-> Id only pirate a persons idea if i had no other choice
20:27 <Steven> mort
20:30 <Steven> gnome or halfling?
20:43 <Mort-> Halfling
20:49 <Steven> okay goin gnome
21:00 <Mort-> No!
21:19 <Steven> YUP!
21:35 <Mort-> Whatever
22:01 <Steven> dont be hatin
22:03 <Mort-> That floats your boat
22:19 <Mort-> I won't comment once your in game
23:25 <Steven> nah im gonna pick my own stat
23:36 <Steven> i just cant decide on which half/human to pick
25:26 <Mort-> Ok
25:53 <Steven> i suppose human... even though i hate having base senses
26:23 * Mort- might have a fighter vacation this sat
26:54 * Steven thinks mort should have a cleric vacation
27:10 <Mort-> Got cleric already
27:13 <Mort-> In party
27:25 <Steven> you can have more then one cleric in a party
27:29 <Mort-> Besides after i fkedup
27:47 <Mort-> Ill leave stuff like that to someone else
27:47 <Steven> how did you fuck up so bad you caused an entire part of people to die?
28:05 * Mort- hides in a hole
28:49 <Steven> So you gonna explain that one?
28:54 <Steven> or just leave it up in the air?
29:50 <Mort-> Too embarassed to say it here
30:18 <Steven> its a chat room
30:20 <Steven> say it
30:34 <Steven> worst that can happen is some dickhead will laugh at you
30:54 <Mort-> No
33:00 <Mort-> Ok told you everything
33:53 <Mekkis> Deceased earned the nickname "Collateral damage"
34:16 <Mort-> Should have done it when i had a chance
34:20 <Mort-> Oh well i screwed up
34:56 <Steven> and thats hardly a reason to stop playing cleric...
35:10 <Steven> ide chock that one up to first cleric mistakes
35:54 <Mort-> You do have to remember that i haven't really played that much table top before this
36:04 <Mort-> Anyway yes none of that
36:15 <Steven> roll another cleric
36:20 <Mort-> No
36:22 <Mort-> Clerics
36:24 <Mort-> For
36:27 <Mort-> Me
36:31 <Steven> chicken shit!
38:53 <Mort-> Sigh
38:58 * Mort- sighs some
39:45 <Steven> but seriously why dont you want to play a cleric?   Ive made tons of mistakes with Folnor and Ausk when it comes to situations.
39:53 <Steven> Its how you get better as a player
40:05 <Mort-> Not interested in being a cleric
40:39 <Steven> I dunno, last time i played folnor i had 3 spiritual weapons and a Spiritual Ally up all at the same time in a boss fight
41:02 <Steven> i was making 8 attacks a round w/ +9 to hit
41:32 <Steven> 6 of them were 1d8+2, 2 of the attacks were 1d10+2 and then walking around buffing and healing people
41:48 <Mort-> I'm not a summoner
41:53 <Steven> neither is folnor
41:55 <Mort-> Anyway
42:03 <Steven> just saying, Clerics are fun
42:05 <Mort-> Not studying that field
42:08 <Mort-> No thank you
42:10 <Steven> you get to do crazy stuff
42:24 * Mort- tail droopp
42:30 <Steven> like having weapons that will attack people on their own
42:38 * Steven hugs Mort.
42:46 <Steven> its okay...
43:10 <Steven> but im totaly going to make you play a cleric if i can ever get CA working on my computer
43:29 * Steven cackles maniacly
45:23 <Steven> I love Half orc bard feats!
45:31 <Steven> War Singer
45:37 <Steven> so bad ass
46:08 <Steven> Prerequisites: Cha 13, bardic performance class feature, half-orc or orc.
46:09 <Steven> Benefit: When you use bardic performance with audible components on a battlefield (any area where a combat involving a dozen or more combatants is taking place), the range or area of your chosen performance is doubled. In addition, the DC for saving throws against your bardic performance is increased by +2 for creatures of the orc subtype, regardless of where the performance occurs.
48:44 <Mort-> Lol
49:09 <Mort-> No?
49:30 <Mort-> I have mek threatening to make a gnome pally out of me
49:39 <Steven> YUP!
49:43 <Mort-> Now you want to make a cleric out of me :(
49:51 <Steven> better hope i never start gming here
50:01 * Mort- is a abused mur
50:16 <Steven> oh dont get that way
50:38 <Steven> i havent even told you about how im going to eventually have you make a pirate
50:43 * Steven cackles maniacly
50:45 <Mort-> No
50:47 <Mort-> You can't
50:51 <Steven> YUP!
50:56 <Mort-> I am a shining beacon of light
51:03 <Mort-> I will not fall to the dark side
51:11 <Steven> yeah... all the way till we start up a pirate campaign!
51:41 <Mort-> Pirate campaign
51:59 <Mort-> I will play xyniel
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54:47 <Steven> i dont know who that is
55:41 <Mort-> She is syn
55:47 <Mort-> That's why you never see her
56:24 <Steven> you realize that a pirate campaign would be a home brew game righta?
57:23 <Steven> and synthesists while powerful are not that great in home brews because dms get to completely customize an encounter, which might be anti summoner
57:42 <Mort-> Yeah its ok
57:54 <Mort-> I mean I'm fine being what i am
58:09 <Mort-> What happens if you walk into an anti magic field though
58:27 <Steven> dunno i dont play summoners
58:43 <Mort-> That's one thing i worry about
59:03 <Mort-> Being dumped into the water once I'm fused doesn't really faze me
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59:49 <Steven> there are other ways to hurt a summoner a lot
00:13 <Mort-> I know some of them :(
00:17 <Steven> we have a person who rocks a synthesist 
00:17 <Mort-> Live with it
00:26 <Mort-> Ill rock too
00:38 <Steven> and they got destroyed by an earth elemental
00:51 <Steven> it was not pretty
01:12 <Steven> cause the earth elemental sealed the room
01:26 <Steven> and the synth was all alone
01:32 <Steven> because they felt invulnerable
01:52 <Steven> and went off on their own for a bit
02:04 <Steven> and started to attack the synth, so the synth decided to fly
02:17 <Steven> and the elemental just waited till the synth ran out of fly
02:26 <Steven> and then attacked from under the ground repeatedly
02:28 <Mekkis> I've played a synthesist, and a summoner.
03:03 <Steven> that was when i showed up and used a stoneshape to make anew door
03:17 <Mekkis> how do you do that?
03:32 <Steven> its a spell
03:37 <Steven> we were under ground
03:40 <Mekkis> that affects a very small area
03:52 <Steven> not when you're level 17
03:59 <Mort-> Syn should be able to fly on their own
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04:16 <Mekkis> even then
04:25 <Mekkis> it's like a power drill. not like a bulldozer
04:38 <Mort-> They don't need magic to fly
04:40 <Mort-> They have wings
04:48 <Mekkis> 27 cubic feet is 3'x3'x3'
04:50 <Mekkis> small
05:16 <Steven> you cannot stay in your eidilon form for multiple days w/o taking serious negatives
05:40 <Mort-> Fatigue?
06:14 <Steven> and mekkis all it needed to do was make it through like 1.5 feet of stone
06:28 <Steven> the earth elemental stone shaped the door closed
06:34 <Steven> i stone shaped it back open
06:50 <Steven> i should stop using the word door
07:21 <Steven> cause it was more of just a hallway that ended in a room
10:08 <Mort-> Need rope trick to nap
10:53 <Steven> it was just an example of how the DM was screwin with the synth
11:23 <Steven> it was a pretty craptacular thing to do imo
11:30 <Mort-> Umd rope trick and nap stack
11:31 <Mort-> Lol
12:14 <Steven> yeah at first the syn tried to fight, but wasnt making headway
12:37 <Steven> so they used a send message to tell the party were they were
12:46 <Mort-> How bad was the earth elf
12:49 <Mort-> Ele
12:52 <Steven> it was bad
12:56 <Steven> we didnt even fight it
13:02 <Mort-> Syn generally can outreach everyone
13:07 <Mort-> And stuff
13:28 <Steven> yeah, but how are you goint to damage something that wont surface unless its to attack you
13:44 <Mort-> Hm
13:47 <Mort-> Ready action
14:00 <Mort-> Your reach > his hopefully
14:18 <Steven> it wouldnt surface unless you are within reach though
14:54 <Mort-> Be in range then aoo a grapple?
15:11 <Mort-> But trying to grapple an earth ele is...
15:18 <Steven> a bad idea
15:28 <Mort-> Some pack grab on their suits
15:30 <Mort-> Really?
15:44 <Mort-> I spend too much time with a monk who gropes everything
15:47 <Steven> yeah... they have slam attacks and ungodly strength
16:20 <Mort-> Syn usually have godly ac though
16:24 <Steven> usually in 30+ range
16:26 <Mort-> And no dismissal?
17:10 <Steven> made the save if i remember correctly
17:17 <Steven> it had like +14 to will save
17:20 <Mort-> Wow
17:35 <Steven> yeah synth was not doing good
17:58 <Steven> he readied attacks to move whenever the earth elemental would apear
18:06 <Mort-> Ah
18:18 <Steven> because the earth elemental kept 'falling' from the ceiling above the synth
18:24 <Mort-> How do you kill that thing
18:45 <Mort-> Imprisionment?
18:51 <Steven> action economy i would suppose, i stoneshapped the door and then we left
19:12 <Steven> the synth was exploring a ruin all by himself
19:20 <Steven> and ran into the thing
19:24 <Mort-> Ah
20:15 <Steven> with the spells i remember having
20:26 <Steven> probably could have used my jug of endless water
20:32 <Steven> stone shaped the door closed
20:40 <Steven> and then filled the room like 40 foot deep
20:55 <Mort-> Lol hopefully he dissolves?
20:59 <Steven> and then went and swam around waiting for it to show up
21:05 <Mort-> There was one use of a holy water cannon
21:09 <Steven> no, but it would give us a medium to work in
21:33 <Steven> cause standing on the floor with an earth elemental is just a bad idea
22:03 <Mort-> Yeah earth glide
22:34 * Mort- is a stubborn mur
22:51 <Steven> but yeah there was no reason to fight it
23:08 <Steven> wasnt part of any story line
23:16 <Steven> other then kill the annoying Synthesist
23:40 <Steven> we were fighting some Uber Vamp
24:00 <Steven> and his society of super annoying vamps
24:00 <Mort-> Why did the gm hate the synthesist
24:04 <Mort-> They are harmless
24:16 <Steven> i think it was probabaly the shit ton of attacks
24:20 <Steven> massive armor
24:22 <Mort-> 7
24:24 <Mort-> Actually
24:27 <Steven> and huge HP pool
24:27 <Mort-> ^^
25:11 <Steven> not 100% on that, but to challenge that character
25:31 <Mort-> Yeah syn are cool
25:38 <Steven> the rest of us were struggling so hard in every fight
25:43 <Mort-> Now how do you get your claws to ghost touch
26:08 <Steven> it was not fun, which is why we stopped playing it.
26:18 <Steven> cause the douche refused to reroll
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26:32 <Mort-> Really too borked?
27:01 <Steven> well we were fighting bad guys that would do like 60-80 damage on a non crit hit
27:02 <Mort-> As a syn will you really get that?
27:18 <Steven> with like +25-30 to hit
27:21 <Mort-> God
27:30 <Steven> because otherwise there was no way to hit the guy
27:56 <Mort-> If you want to fk up a syn
28:00 <Steven> and so when the nasties would hit the rest of us it was like well there goes 4/5 of my life pool
28:02 <Mort-> Remove his suit
28:19 <Steven> they get saves against shit like that unfortunently
28:34 <Steven> The synthesist was increadibly well built
28:43 <Steven> and i cant fault him for making an amazing character
28:47 <Steven> and for wanting to play it
28:54 <Mort-> There are weaknesses
29:09 <Mort-> Can tell you about it since i was planning on rolling one
29:18 <Mort-> Try a whole bunch of wriaths
29:28 <Steven> nah, i stay away from synthesists
29:32 <Steven> no desire to play one
29:48 <Mort-> If you want to kill one
29:54 <Mort-> Wriaths.
30:00 <Steven> i dont need to kill one
30:07 <Steven> if i were ever to GM a world
30:13 <Steven> ide just outlaw synthesists
30:18 <Mort-> Lol
30:27 <Mort-> In pirate world
30:35 <Steven> yeah in pirate world... no synthesists
30:35 <Mort-> I would be a syn
30:41 <Mort-> What?
30:47 * Mort- wails loudly
30:56 * Steven grins broadly
31:25 <Mort-> I want to be a syn
31:57 <Steven> I think im going to put the campaign over in moscow on hold for a while, since joe is making things super difficult
32:27 <Steven> joe=maker of the world but terrible GM who was replaced by steve
32:28 <Mort-> But yeah
32:42 <Steven> He made a great world
32:45 <Mort-> Another person who won't let me run a syn
32:55 <Mort-> Guess why we never see xyniel?
32:56 <Steven> Drow=Neutral society instead of Evil society
33:13 <Steven> cause joe loves his drow
33:40 <Steven> and after it was revealed he thinks his job as a gm is to torture players
33:48 <Steven> by killing one every few sessions
33:58 <Steven> it was decided someone else would take over
34:11 <Mort-> Vol
34:12 <Mort-> Lol
34:22 <Steven> and now he is super mad
34:27 <Mort-> Heh
34:34 * Mort- shrugs
34:35 <Steven> cause i made the story into the "Fall of the Drow"
35:22 <Steven> and their group is just a group of people exploring the Underdark, they will eventually meet up with some priests
35:28 <Steven> of that spider god lady
35:32 <Mort-> Syn is extremely flavorful for pirate campaign
35:35 <Mort-> Loth
36:22 <Steven> yeah her, and is going to lul them into exposing more and more people to her, and eventuall corrupt the race
36:27 <Steven> or at least that was the plan
36:28 <Steven> but now
36:44 <Steven> going pirate campaign so i dont have to hear joe cry about how im bastardizing his world
36:53 <Mort-> Poor xyniel. Get lots of doors closed to her because she is a syn :(
37:07 <Steven> take it to PFS group
37:21 <Mort-> Not with avatar around
37:36 <Mort-> Mek also knows I'm eating cheese
37:49 <Mort-> He helped me with some cheese
38:11 <Steven> i keep getting distracted
38:19 <Steven> i need to finish my spells
39:17 <Mort-> But yes ill never get to see xyniel.
41:14 <Steven> Tap inner beauty seems pretty funny
41:30 <Mort-> Problem is i don't know how to rp her
41:32 <Mort-> Really
41:33 <Steven> +2 insight to cha and cha skill chesks
41:51 <Mort-> Was focused on how she is supposed to function
42:02 <Mort-> Combat wise. Didn't think character wise
43:16 <Steven> uhhhh yeah picking this spell
43:22 <Steven> Invigorate
43:26 <Steven> amazing buff spell
43:38 <Steven> This spell banishes feelings of weariness. For the duration, the subject takes no penalties from the fatigued or exhausted conditions. The effect of invigorate is merely an illusion, however, not a substitute for actual rest or respite. When the spell ends, the subject takes 1d6 points of nonlethal damage, along with the return of the original condition(s). A creature can be under the effects of only one invigorate spell at a time; if it is cast 
43:38 <Steven> a second time on that creature, the first immediately ends.
43:52 <Steven> 10m/level
45:05 <Steven> okay spells done
45:13 <Steven> i need to go nap, see you all later gater!
45:25 <Mort-> Damn
45:43 <Mort-> Begining to wonder if i should play a pregen on sat
52:44 <Mekkis> Mort-, I really don't mind if you play a synthesist
58:39 <Hydrazine> hi.
58:44 <Mort-> Hi
58:50 <Mort-> You don't mind
58:58 <Mort-> Avatar and Steven do
59:04 <Mort-> So. I won't be rolling one
59:26 <Mort-> Besides uh mek you already know in details what I'm up to
59:42 <Mort-> Hi hydra. I feel like playing a pregen on sat
03:17 <Mekkis> Mort-, one point of roleplaying is to extend your horizons
04:35 <Avatar> why don't you roll up a character to play and use that as a pregen
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06:03 <Mort-> I told you i want her first level to be given by a pregen
06:13 <Mort-> Her first scenario
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07:22 <Avatar> that doesn't make any sense
08:05 <Mort-> Not to you but yes to me
08:40 <Hydrazine> Just does, I guess.
08:53 <Mort-> Heh
18:36 <Mort-> :( i have a few fixed classes. Not popping further then that
19:06 <Mort-> Its like the abilities or play style of the class doesn't really appeal to me
24:29 <Avatar-> 3 out of about 12 though?
24:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you remember the scenario in which Asmel died?
25:18 <Avatar-> dumb austnet
25:26 <Mort-> Qfp 1
25:30 <Mort-> I don't forget
25:41 <Avatar-> mort: roll a bard
25:42 <Mekkis> I explained to mort how hard it was to play an archer
26:03 <Avatar-> is it
26:12 <Mekkis> Mort-, the question was aimed at Avatar
26:17 <Avatar-> tristen does it pretty well?
26:38 <Mort-> I thought you wanted the answer
26:53 <Mekkis> I wanted to know if Avatar remembered it
27:06 <Mekkis> let's not bring up players into this discussion
27:27 <Mekkis> but there is a lot of organisation required in order to not slow a game to a halt
27:30 <Mekkis> same with fighters
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28:14 <Avatar-> well why do you think it's hard
28:18 <Mort-> I might play a pregen fighter on sat
28:20 <Mort-> Actually
28:21 <Mort-> Maybe.
28:33 <Mekkis> Avatar-, you notice how I use a whiteboard to keep track of my combat stats?
28:34 <Mort-> Just for a vacation
28:59 <Avatar-> yeah but you're not an archer
29:01 <Mort-> Once is ok. But not really rolling a fighter
29:16 <Mekkis> yeah. An archer needs to keep track of more things
29:42 <Avatar-> mort just pick a different class that appeals to you even a bit
29:48 <Avatar-> doesn't have to be a fighter
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30:33 <Avatar-> I will check out archer closer later
31:25 <Mekkis> I mean, when your modifiers are: -2 if making a full attack, +1 if blessed, +1 if hasted, +2 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30', -4 if shooting into cover; and your damage is +2+2d6 if fighting a human, +1 if within 30'
31:39 <Mekkis> there's a lot of stuff you need to keep track of
32:00 <Mekkis> it's not something you should be looking at during your turn
32:12 <Mekkis> it's something you should have ready in advance
32:51 <Avatar> yeah
32:52 <Mort-> Btw
32:53 <Mekkis> as a GM or fellow player, I don't care how you got your +12, I just want to know if it hit, and how much damage it did
33:08 <Mekkis> tier 1-2, right?
33:15 <Mekkis> I definitely don't want to help you with your maths.
33:26 <Avatar> yeah I think it was 1-2
33:43 <Mekkis> you might want to revise a post you made on the boards concerning that
33:52 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5i18?Rookie-mistakes-leading-to-TPKs#30
34:10 <Avatar> oh woops
34:26 <Mekkis> :s
34:30 <Avatar> it won't let me edit that post anymore
34:37 <Avatar> not sure why I thought I'd done 4-5 for that
34:47 <Mekkis> I was thinking of posting as Asmel in that thread :S
35:08 <Avatar> did it upset you
35:15 <Mekkis> not really
35:49 <Mekkis> did you see how I ran City of Strangers 1?
36:08 <Avatar> no I didn't watch that game
36:32 <Mekkis> probably the largest change to tactics I've done
36:33 <Avatar> can you restart the minecraft server
36:43 <Mekkis> sure
36:47 <Mekkis> what's the IP?
37:05 <Mort-> Magus is good training for trying to keep numbers straight ^^
37:06 <Avatar> 108.174.58.2
37:13 <Mort-> Fun times.
37:24 <Mekkis> thanks
37:31 <Mort-> Ah well. I think i did that accounting bit fine
37:31 <Mekkis> that's what I get for not putting it in DNS
38:08 <Avatar> minecraft saves server ip's
38:23 <Mekkis> you probably will
38:30 <Mekkis> it's just something you need to know
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:49 [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:49 [INFO] Preparing level "world"
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:49 [INFO] Default game type: 0
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:49 [INFO] Preparing start region for level 0
39:08 <Mekkis> Placed stronghold in INVALID biome at (-29, 62)
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:50 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 12%
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:51 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 44%
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:52 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 97%
39:08 <Mekkis> 2012-04-30 13:38:52 [INFO] Done (3.202s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
39:29 <Mort-> I know where it all came from
39:41 <Mort-> Where do you think i get my fancy macros
40:54 <Mekkis> us.ti4200.info
40:59 <Mekkis> when the DNS propagates
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44:48 <Mort-> Oh shit was supposed to tell avatar
44:58 <Mort-> to try start his game earlier
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52:27 <matt> sorry about popping in and out endlessly,.  It's my iphone client.  Im on at work now.
52:47 <Mort-> Np
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