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00:33 Glim is now known as DasBot
00:46 <Mort> urmm...
00:52 <Spaceshot> who is DasBot
00:57 <Mort> if you run around expecting me to read ancient tomes with you..
01:03 <Mort> I think Ill show you the hilt of my scimitar :P
01:05 <Mort> probably
01:10 <DasBot> new lurker, don't mind me
01:10 <Mort> lol
01:15 <Mort> ah you are a lurker
01:18 <Hydrazine_> Hi newguy.
01:19 <Mort> did you hear about the cookie tax?
01:21 <Mort> HYDRAZINE
01:24 <Mort> youre supposed to be in bed
01:28 <Mort> how many hrs have you been up
01:31 * Mort glares at hydrazine
01:33 <Hydrazine_> Sleeping Aussie today.
01:37 <Mort> I see
02:15 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow anyone know which knowledge skill best reflects archeology?
02:23 <Mort> history
02:24 <Mort> Id say
02:28 <Mort> go for it
02:30 <Mort> history/local
02:47 <Mort> Ill just pick up everythign because Im a packrat
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02:58 <Novel> Hi
03:11 <Mort> wt?
03:13 <Mort> hey
03:16 <Mort> COOKIE TAX
03:21 <Mort> everyone coming in needs to give me a cookie
03:26 <War_Wrecker> as far as I can tell archeology seems to use all the knowledge
03:57 <Mort> you might want knowledge dungeoneering as well
04:03 * DasBot hands Mort a cookie
04:04 <Mort> I think history/local/dungeoneering covers it
04:04 <Spaceshot> 7 = -2 for stats right?
04:04 <Hydrazine_> I would say history or maybe religion, knowledge dungeoneering.
04:10 <Mort> religion?
04:13 <Mort> well religion is better for..
04:18 <War_Wrecker> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/knowledge
04:23 * Mort nibbles the cookie and purrs Dasbot
04:29 <Mort> religion is better for making checks vs undead creatures
04:31 <Hydrazine_> Eh. I could be wrong and history isn't too appropriate.
04:31 <War_Wrecker> Tell me which of these indiana jones has displayed
04:32 <Mort> Ill get em all anyway
04:33 <Mort> in the end
04:45 <Mort> Id say history/local/dungeoneering
05:08 <Mort> but if you want to identify monsters youll want planes/dungeoneering/religion/nature
05:27 <Mort> but usually SOMEONE in the group should be a knowledge whore..aka mort in wizzie form
05:36 <Mort> Im not even sure if I shoul get acrobatics and stuff
05:39 <Mort> dunno
05:43 <Mort> think its good for my tanking career..
05:49 <Mort> or at least perception
05:52 <Mort> but Im like screw it
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07:20 <Mort> wt?
07:52 <Novel> *Le shakes out huge sack of cookies* ME WANT GAME!
08:04 <Avatar> yo
08:07 <Avatar> played pathfinder before?
08:30 <Mort> lol
08:31 <Mort> not now
08:36 <Mort> almost bedtime for most of us
08:43 <Mort> its 10.08 pm here
08:45 <Mort> I got works tomorrow
08:47 <Avatar> not now, but SOON
08:49 <Mort> and hi novel urm
08:56 <Mort> run fs :D
08:59 * Mort grins at avatar
09:29 <Mort> btw avatar
09:33 <Hydrazine_> Hey look, someone who knows the local currency.
09:34 <Mort> mek asked you if you could do
09:41 <Mort> urm oh 
09:47 <Mort> if itz could do handle animal checks
09:49 <Mort> to train khaa
09:51 <Mort> in hunting
09:56 <Mort> he has about a 50% chance of suceedin
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10:16 <Avatar> what?
10:20 <Novel> No i'm a nigh complete and utter noob :P
10:33 <Avatar> cool
10:36 <Mort> urm avatar please brief him :P
10:40 <Avatar> go here: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
10:44 <Mort> if I did it Id probalby confuse him more
10:57 <Avatar> have a read through and grab everything that's there
11:07 * Mort hands Novel a scroll reading - Sign here to sign your soul to the devil :P
11:17 <Avatar> ignore mort, she's trouble
11:55 * Mort sulks
12:10 <Hydrazine_> If you give her cookies, she'll never leave you alone.
12:21 <Hydrazine_> But she means well. Overall.
12:26 <Avatar> she means well
12:27 <Novel> I gave her a whole sack... 0.o Mother of god
12:28 <Avatar> good on you mort
12:39 <War_Wrecker> Ah
12:42 <War_Wrecker> Decided on my craft
12:50 <War_Wrecker> Musical Instruments doesn't really work
12:56 <War_Wrecker> And making lutes is boring
13:01 <Hydrazine_> For an Archeologist?
13:10 <War_Wrecker> For my character in general
13:22 <War_Wrecker> Tool making!
13:47 <Hydrazine_> Crafting hammers and saws and such?
13:49 <Mort> hahaha
13:50 <Hydrazine_> Thats neat.
14:01 <War_Wrecker> Grappling hooks count as a tool
14:03 * Mort eats the cookies and becomes a Bloated Mort
14:03 <War_Wrecker> :D
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14:18 <Bloated_Mort> there we go
14:26 <Bloated_Mort> Uhhh hydrazine
14:32 <Bloated_Mort> I think Ill just get khaz to make weapons
14:33 <Bloated_Mort> screw it
14:41 <Bloated_Mort> I havent really set his craft yet
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16:44 * Bloated_Mort ponders. should I speak, should I not?
16:49 <Bloated_Mort> Hows the reading of the guide Novel?
17:03 <Bloated_Mort> you see. Im under oath not to corrupt you with...urm my thinking
17:13 <Bloated_Mort> so I think Ill just give youthe choice - you can ask me whatever question you like while Im here
17:21 <Bloated_Mort> if I can answer I will
17:59 <War_Wrecker> Craft Tool is great!
18:12 <War_Wrecker> I can carry around basic components and craft them together for more specialized tools
18:16 <Bloated_Mort> I guess..
18:19 <Bloated_Mort> crafting isnt allowed in pfs
18:23 <Bloated_Mort> its just for show acutally
18:24 <War_Wrecker> Bah
18:38 <Bloated_Mort> otherwise you must as well say mort made all of you rings of protection
18:43 <Hydrazine_> If you need any help, new folk, feel free to ask. Generally theres someone around who can probably help.
19:11 <Bloated_Mort> remember to give the lemur at least one cookie per day!
19:13 <Bloated_Mort> bwhahahahaha
19:16 * Bloated_Mort giggles
19:26 <Brunius> Spaceshot, take note http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-troll-classic-let-me-get-some-salve.jpg
19:27 <Hydrazine_> Or she explodes.
19:41 <Hydrazine_> Gruesome, really. Huge mess. Took a week to get it off the roof.
19:48 <Bloated_Mort> lol
20:58 <Spaceshot> awesome
21:51 <Spaceshot> so brun you going all day on sunday (don't remember the answer if you did answer it last time)
22:01 <War_Wrecker> Ooh also, does anyone know if a nine sectioned whip has it's own proficiency separate to whips and scorpion whips?
22:11 <Bloated_Mort> I say it would
22:12 <Bloated_Mort> acutally
22:15 <Spaceshot> so War_Wrecker, are you somewhat interested in game makin?
22:16 <Spaceshot> XD
22:24 <Bloated_Mort> since they didnt say that whip proficiency applies to nine seciton whips
22:26 <War_Wrecker> Yes
22:30 <Bloated_Mort> talking about that how much would a small lance cost
22:36 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow I have an analytical report to write in about 90 minutes
22:38 <Hydrazine_> Not much.
22:39 <Bloated_Mort> I think its better then trying to 1 hand a whip that I have -4 to attack rolls
22:40 <War_Wrecker> or rather a draft
22:45 <Bloated_Mort> between -4 and -2 Id take the -2
22:45 <War_Wrecker> Aiming for 1000ish words
22:49 <Bloated_Mort> if I ever have to fight defensively
23:01 <Bloated_Mort> truestrike + wand wielder trip, then threaten as he gets up
23:08 <Hydrazine_> but isn't it -4 either way, if you don't get whip proficiency?
23:08 <Bloated_Mort> better taht way for me I think
23:17 <Bloated_Mort> its -4
23:18 <War_Wrecker> I do have whip proficiency
23:22 <Bloated_Mort> since I do NOT have whip proficiency
23:25 <Bloated_Mort> Im trying to fake how to trip
23:27 <War_Wrecker> Or scorpion whip proficiency... or whatever
23:30 <Bloated_Mort> Id druther NOT use it
23:31 <Bloated_Mort> acutally
23:34 <Hydrazine_> Same thing, War.
23:37 <Hydrazine_> Sorry. Was asking Mort.
23:38 <Bloated_Mort> hopefully I never see the day I need to
23:44 <Novel> Damn i'm multitskingh a lot of thingh s:L
23:45 <Bloated_Mort> im trying to figure out how to fake a trip
23:55 <Bloated_Mort> if I dont really want ot put hte feat into it
24:01 <Bloated_Mort> I think there will be some fights I dont really want to do it head on
24:15 <Bloated_Mort> of course - majority of it Ill just Colourspray the fk out of..but it only works at low levels
25:27 <Bloated_Mort> hrmm
25:32 <Bloated_Mort> small lance :P
25:33 <Bloated_Mort> ? :P
25:44 <Spaceshot> hahaha
25:59 <Spaceshot> anywho
26:00 <Spaceshot> going now
26:40 <Hydrazine_> 10gp.
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26:44 <Hydrazine_> Same as a medium.
26:44 <Bloated_Mort> should I?
26:47 <Bloated_Mort> it works better then a whip
26:52 <Bloated_Mort> I dont have proficiency in a whip
27:02 <Hydrazine_> worth the -4?
27:14 <Bloated_Mort> -2
27:16 <Bloated_Mort> on a small weapon
27:19 <Bloated_Mort> if I use a whip its -4
27:20 <Bloated_Mort> straight
27:44 <Bloated_Mort> this is like when all things go to hell..
27:49 <Hydrazine_> Um.
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27:56 <Hydrazine_> Spell combat it, and its -4, yeah?
28:27 <Bloated_Mort> yeah
28:30 <Bloated_Mort> but if i used a whip on it
28:32 <Bloated_Mort> its -6
28:33 <Bloated_Mort> straight
28:36 <Hydrazine_> ouch.
28:38 <Bloated_Mort> and I dont threaten as he gets up
28:44 <Bloated_Mort> I dont HAVE proficiency in a whip
28:52 <Bloated_Mort> Id take the lance..
28:57 <Bloated_Mort> better half a loaf then none at all
29:09 <Bloated_Mort> chances are -by the time I realise all this Id probably be taking a nap on the floor :D
31:06 <Hydrazine_> Not being able to threaten is important, I think.
31:13 <Hydrazine_> People can just move all around you
32:02 <Bloated_Mort> yeah I thik Ill take a horsechopper
32:05 <Bloated_Mort> in case all things go to hell
32:07 <Bloated_Mort> small one
32:31 <Brunius> Yep, all day sunday
36:59 <Bloated_Mort> mind you wihout truestrike I can never trip
38:55 <Hydrazine_> No?
39:05 <War_Wrecker> bwahaha
39:08 <War_Wrecker> I love feats
39:10 <Hydrazine_> why not? decent strength right? not that bad Bab?
39:22 <Hydrazine_> Butterfly sting, War!
39:25 <Bloated_Mort> are you SERIOUS?
39:27 <Bloated_Mort> hydra..?
39:28 <War_Wrecker> Improved Trip, into Fury's fall (add dex to the CMB to trip)
39:32 <Bloated_Mort> NOO
39:34 <Hydrazine_> mhm!
39:35 <War_Wrecker> Butterfly sting is tempting
39:39 <Bloated_Mort> Ill tell you what happens if you use fury fall on me
39:44 <Hydrazine_> I've been talking for some time
39:46 <Bloated_Mort> !throw 1d20+4 strength check to break whip
39:47 <diebot> Bloated_Mort, strength check to break whip: [1d20=10] 14
39:47 <War_Wrecker> Followed by fury's snare!
39:49 <Bloated_Mort> bb..
39:59 <Bloated_Mort> Im out. I just broke your whip :P
40:04 <Hydrazine_> about how butterfly sting next to Jerus would be monstrous.
40:08 <Bloated_Mort> yeah
40:11 <Bloated_Mort> if I ever got to your level
40:12 <Bloated_Mort> maybe
40:16 <Hydrazine_> Yeah, I agree, fury's snare is kind of silly since the DC is so low.
40:16 <Bloated_Mort> but I wont
40:29 <Bloated_Mort> unless you want to lose your whip...
40:36 <Bloated_Mort> pleaes dont do it on a monster..
40:52 <War_Wrecker> Well someone made a great suggestion
40:55 <War_Wrecker> Carry multiple whips
41:01 <War_Wrecker> get quick draw
41:11 <War_Wrecker> As soon as one breaks or gets grabbed just pull out the next one
41:15 <Hydrazine_> Kind of a waste to do it if they just break out, though?
41:25 <Bloated_Mort> Ill break out
42:00 <Bloated_Mort> and btw the person you want ot persuade to get butterfly sting is probably khaz/some rogue
42:15 <Hydrazine_> Yeah, I know.
42:21 <Bloated_Mort> CE though
42:23 <Bloated_Mort> eww
42:25 <Bloated_Mort> I dont have CE
42:26 <Bloated_Mort> 2 feats
42:31 <Bloated_Mort> I dont think whips crit often
42:32 <Bloated_Mort> sadly
42:38 <Bloated_Mort> and I dont even think he will exactly be hitting..
43:04 <War_Wrecker> True strike butterfly sting
43:25 <War_Wrecker> Improves chances
43:30 <Bloated_Mort> no
43:37 <Bloated_Mort> you need to roll a natural 20
43:40 <Bloated_Mort> it only helps you ocnfirm
43:53 <Hydrazine_> Unless you're really trying to rock it.
43:56 <Bloated_Mort> lets even check if..
43:57 <Hydrazine_> And use a keen scimitar.
43:59 <Bloated_Mort> butterfly sting
44:01 <Hydrazine_> then roll a 15 or higher.
44:01 <Bloated_Mort> is even legal
44:03 <Bloated_Mort> yeah
44:11 <Bloated_Mort> thats why I said the person you want to convince of it is khaz :P
44:17 <Bloated_Mort> 3 attacks per round..
44:24 <Bloated_Mort> well 2 if truestrike is used
44:24 <Bloated_Mort> at 5
44:25 <Hydrazine_> And Jerus would immediately buy a x4 crit weapon.
44:29 <Bloated_Mort> lol
44:39 <Bloated_Mort> I can only do 3 hits per round if I use truestrike
44:45 <Bloated_Mort> burning one point of arcane pool for speed on weapon
44:46 <Bloated_Mort> sorry 2
44:50 <Bloated_Mort> if not I hit 3x per round at 5
44:54 <Bloated_Mort> problem is base damage is fking low
45:04 <Hydrazine_> Thats why you butterfly sting!
45:12 <Hydrazine_> Don't need you to do sick damage, just crit them.
45:19 <Hydrazine_> Jerus will handle the damage.
45:28 <Bloated_Mort> let me check
45:31 <Bloated_Mort> if it even is legal lol
45:43 <Bloated_Mort> pfs has a lot of weird rules about whats legal and not
46:41 <War_Wrecker> OH
46:43 <War_Wrecker> OH GOD
46:51 <War_Wrecker> Disposable Weapon
47:04 <War_Wrecker> Break a fragile weapon to confirm a critical hit
47:05 <Bloated_Mort> Pathfinder Player Companion: Faiths of Purity
47:05 <Bloated_Mort> Feats: all feats on pages 24–25 with the following errata
47:07 <Bloated_Mort> ah okay we're good
47:11 <Bloated_Mort> confirm
47:13 <Bloated_Mort> u need to crit first
47:24 * Bloated_Mort personally doesnt like the idea of throwing weapons away
48:19 <Hydrazine_> Mort, know what Jerus rolls with a crit on a nodachi?
48:34 <Novel> ty  I'll be back going for a walk 
48:34 <Bloated_Mort> its not reach
48:36 <Bloated_Mort> :D
49:23 <Hydrazine_> Naginata, not nodachi. Thats the one.
50:04 <Bloated_Mort> okay shock me
50:04 <Bloated_Mort> :D
50:08 <Bloated_Mort> NO enlargements
50:16 <Bloated_Mort> assume we were urm too busy to do it
50:29 <Hydrazine_> !throw 4d8+60
50:29 <diebot> Hydrazine_, 4d8+60: [4d8=6,2,4,6] 78
50:33 <Hydrazine_> Winning?
50:41 <Bloated_Mort> lol
50:44 <Bloated_Mort> awesome :D
50:53 <Bloated_Mort> first though. I get to confirm a crit
50:56 <Bloated_Mort> and we need ot delay
51:01 <Bloated_Mort> and I need to be at your level
51:05 <Hydrazine_> Easy stuff. delaying.
51:14 <Bloated_Mort> I must make hte first hits..and hopefully not die
51:19 <Hydrazine_> And crit confirms, get some more attack bonus from something.
51:21 <Bloated_Mort> then you must HIT after me
51:26 <Hydrazine_> Well.
51:30 <Bloated_Mort> auctally the problem is after I crit
51:33 <Bloated_Mort> I may not confirm :P
51:34 <Hydrazine_> His accuracy is doing really well lately.
51:37 <Bloated_Mort> critting is easy..
51:40 <Bloated_Mort> confirming is not
51:45 <Bloated_Mort> remember I am still a medium bab class
51:48 <Hydrazine_> Yeah.
51:50 * Bloated_Mort ponders bless weapon...
52:01 <Bloated_Mort> but nevermind. I havent figured out how much that freakin wand would cost
52:54 <Bloated_Mort> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/u/unerring-weapon
52:56 <Bloated_Mort> there is this though
52:58 <Bloated_Mort> how to cheat :P
53:02 <Hydrazine_> 5 is pretty good for Jerus too.
53:16 <Hydrazine_> But thats not for a bit.
53:22 <Bloated_Mort> 3 scenarios
53:25 <Bloated_Mort> hell Im only lv 2 :(
53:26 <Hydrazine_> 2more.
53:30 <Bloated_Mort> I say next sat if we get enough people around
53:37 <Bloated_Mort> lets take hoku and khaz out for a walk..
53:42 <Bloated_Mort> since the auzzies will be at convention
53:54 <Bloated_Mort> if you want to you can do a jerus and khaz combi
53:58 <Bloated_Mort> 2 and 4 isnt much diff
54:03 <Hydrazine_> Heh.
54:04 <Bloated_Mort> but I think you'll find me serious underpowered hehe
54:13 <Hydrazine_> Well. Only in relation.
54:15 <Bloated_Mort> the problem is I have to engage in melee in order to be effective
54:20 <Hydrazine_> Jerus is just.. really specialized.
54:23 <Bloated_Mort> tell you waht Ill just 1 hand that small lance
54:29 <Bloated_Mort> you can stand in front, you have more hp :P
54:37 <Bloated_Mort> (though technically I have more ac...once I shield up)
54:48 <Hydrazine_> He fits a very defined role as melee fighter. fits it very well. and doesn't do much else.
54:56 <Bloated_Mort> I dont get a different attack
54:58 <Bloated_Mort> :(
55:00 <Bloated_Mort> not till 3
55:04 <Bloated_Mort> 3 then I can "flurry"
55:05 <Bloated_Mort> lol
55:19 <Hydrazine_> Soon as the fight's over, hes probably worse off than the level 2.
55:28 <Hydrazine_> Unless its something like climbing or swimming.
55:32 <Hydrazine_> Hes pretty good at those.
55:37 <Bloated_Mort> khaz isnt really good at that kind of thing
55:42 <Bloated_Mort> unless you wanted a dungeoneering check?
55:44 * Bloated_Mort grinz
55:49 <Hydrazine_> Hes got that too actually.
56:03 <Bloated_Mort> I do it better then ous
56:04 <Bloated_Mort> yous
56:06 <Bloated_Mort> I beleive
56:07 <Hydrazine_> Its the one knowledge skill fighters get as class.
56:09 <Bloated_Mort> 16 int
56:10 <Hydrazine_> So I took it.
56:15 <Bloated_Mort> I have dungeoneering
56:24 <Bloated_Mort> arcana, planes, religion(non class but took it anyway)
56:31 <Bloated_Mort> Ill get 1 point in all knowledge skill
56:32 <Bloated_Mort> s
56:35 <Bloated_Mort> just to make use of 16 int
56:45 <Bloated_Mort> will probably skip engineering and nobility
56:47 <Bloated_Mort> though
57:14 <Bloated_Mort> didnt fit in detect magic
57:20 <Bloated_Mort> nevermind see how scenario goes
57:23 <Bloated_Mort> I can drop spark for detect magic
57:29 <Bloated_Mort> but means I dont get to do ninja smoke tricks
57:35 <Bloated_Mort> shouldnt anyway
58:01 <Bloated_Mort> btw..
58:06 <Bloated_Mort> did you ever think of getting jerus some acid flasks?
58:07 <Bloated_Mort> :P
58:21 <Bloated_Mort> anti swarm gear
58:38 <Hydrazine_> Yeah. Worth invesigating on next shop.
59:33 <Bloated_Mort> if youre with khaz/mort dont worry
59:35 <Bloated_Mort> we all come prepared
59:36 <War_Wrecker> oh god so tempting to play elysiel as an archer
59:39 <Bloated_Mort> got 10 flasks on me
59:40 <Bloated_Mort> go ahead
59:50 <Bloated_Mort> believe me Ive been asking if I should even get into mele
59:56 <Bloated_Mort> but really once you hit level 3 if you take close range
00:01 <Bloated_Mort> you can get 2 attacks per round in melee
00:05 <Hydrazine_> Archer Magus?
00:08 <Bloated_Mort> but you better be a good combat caster
00:10 <Bloated_Mort> in order to do so
00:12 <Hydrazine_> Isn't there an archetype for that?
00:13 <Bloated_Mort> dervish buidls generally do it
00:15 <War_Wrecker> if I sink 3 feats I add my int modifier to damage rolls
00:16 <Bloated_Mort> no
00:18 <War_Wrecker> there is
00:22 <Bloated_Mort> there is?
00:25 <Bloated_Mort> I tought it wasnt perma
00:36 <Bloated_Mort> acutally you can spellcombat from 15 ft away with that whip of yours
00:42 <Bloated_Mort> so your concentraion roll doenst matter so much
00:44 <Bloated_Mort> me on the othe hand..
00:47 <Bloated_Mort> at level 2 btw..
00:56 <Bloated_Mort> my concentration for my selected cantrip (ray of frost)
00:57 <Bloated_Mort> is..
01:03 <Bloated_Mort> !throw 1d20+13 conc
01:04 <diebot> Bloated_Mort, conc: [1d20=4] 17
01:06 <Bloated_Mort> lol
01:18 <Bloated_Mort> if not its 1d20+12..
02:03 <Bloated_Mort> 4 combat casting, 3 int, 2 for level, 2 for trait
02:17 <Bloated_Mort> hrm so actually sould be 1d20+11 for normal spell
02:31 <Bloated_Mort> 1d20+12 for selected spells..aka ray of frost + shocking grasp
02:46 <Bloated_Mort> Ah well
02:47 <Bloated_Mort> night :P
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04:59 <War_Wrecker> trying to think what my next level should be in the first place
05:07 <War_Wrecker> Or what non-magus levels I should take
06:51 <War_Wrecker> Proficiency with most 1 handed weapons and spell combat was most definitely worth going into magus
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26:35 <Novel> Hello?
50:41 <Novel> ello?
04:58 <Fulf> Yes, this is dog.
06:29 <Novel> We meet again...
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59:43 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1pm (Ballig, new game) | PFS: Sun 1pm (Ballig, new game) | ED: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
59:43 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Apr  1 18:55:28 2012
59:43 <***> Buffer Playback...
59:43 <***> Playback Complete.
59:44 <Spaceshot> talking about kaleb XD
59:49 <Brunius> Have you seen Kaleb played?
00:01 <Spaceshot> that's beside the point (and yes, he's lols)
00:10 <Mort-> Id rule to didn't think of it
00:19 <Spaceshot> and yea I'm betting that too :P
00:58 <Spaceshot> and sadly, I can't play wild rager in PFS
01:01 <Spaceshot> it's quite sad
01:37 <Avatar> :(
02:00 <Spaceshot> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/wild-rager
02:09 <Spaceshot> I want to be able to 'accedentally' TPK
02:13 <Spaceshot> XD
04:13 <Hydrazine_> Morning.
06:21 <Avatar> hydra
06:37 <Mort-> I tell you bru.
06:47 <Mort-> You need a good flanking buddy
06:51 <Mekkis> good to know
06:54 <Hydrazine_> Yes?
07:07 <Mort-> Im not sure if we did any flanking last game though
07:08 <Mekkis> Mort-, it's not that
07:09 <Mort-> Minimal
07:17 <Avatar> what about the morning 
07:35 <Mort-> If i wanted to tpk people its a little too easy
07:35 <Hydrazine_> Um. I'm acting as though it is one.
07:36 <Mekkis> the problem with a flanking rogue is that you - with your low AC - need to end your turn adjacent to the enemy.
07:40 <Hydrazine_> Seeing how I just woke up.
07:49 <Mort-> By "accident"
07:53 <Mekkis> so then you get full-attacked
07:57 <Avatar> can we act as though it is night
08:14 <Mort-> Its morning
09:02 <diebot> Added or updated sheets:
09:04 <Mort-> My other unused specialty happens to be pits ><
09:25 <Mort-> Aim one of those wrongly and bad things happen
09:38 <Mort-> Thanks mek ><
09:45 <Mort-> More fun times on khaz.
09:48 <Spaceshot> Avatar: can you make Bashi under Pathfinder Society
10:29 <Avatar> added
10:55 <Avatar> is that your third PFS char
10:59 <Hydrazine_> Barbarian, Space?
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11:11 <Avatar> fourth
11:15 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: yes
11:22 <Spaceshot> and avatar, technically on the site 4th
11:24 <Avatar> so given your track record you will get it to 3 and start over
11:31 <Spaceshot> but I think bashi will be -3
11:40 <Spaceshot> haha
11:51 <Spaceshot> I require a low level, I will however, continue with ava
12:06 <Avatar> but this is your third low level
12:16 <Avatar> if you don't consider the fact that level 3 is still low level
12:31 <Spaceshot> heh
12:46 <Spaceshot> so? i can make as many level 1s as i want
12:56 <Avatar> go for it
13:00 <Avatar> focus on one character though
13:05 <Avatar> mort did the same thing
13:45 <Spaceshot> I am focusing on Ava
13:52 <Spaceshot> but I need a backup character that I want to play with
13:55 <Hydrazine> I focused on Jerus a good bit.
13:56 <Spaceshot> at level 1
14:01 <Spaceshot> anywho, shower time
14:02 <Spaceshot> bbs
16:40 * Mort- chases her running spell book
17:05 <Brunius> Mort, you only need to get to next level
17:09 <Brunius> Then you can get them
17:17 <Brunius> Even if Myz gets to 11
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17:58 <Brunius> Ha
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18:14 <Brunius> Scrolling through the messages I've got from the PFS online group on google
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18:29 <Brunius> And suddenly, Perils of the Pirate Pact - DM: Ballig
18:36 <Mort-> Oh really?
18:47 <foxtrotter> did you guys have a good game yesterday?
18:50 * Mort- eyes widen
19:04 <Mort-> They played cote yesterday
19:09 <foxtrotter> great
19:23 <foxtrotter> I was out of town so I couldn't join, i felt sad
19:27 <Mort-> So i wasn't there but it looked messy ^^
19:41 <Mort-> Will you be around on sat or Sunday.h
19:42 <Mort-> This week?
19:44 <Avatar> I feel sad when people don't play also
19:57 <Mort-> I think I'm going to bring khaz for a walk
20:02 <foxtrotter> no I am afraid not
20:06 <Mort-> Aw
20:18 <Mort-> Hydra should be around
20:24 <Mort-> But we will need a third
20:27 <foxtrotter> oh
20:31 <foxtrotter> yeah, i can't be in it
20:41 <Brunius> Swat
20:43 <Mort-> And I'm not 100 percent on ill be around either
21:00 <foxtrotter> well, just checking in, i'll catch you guys sometime later
21:17 <Avatar> you're not going anywhere
21:18 <Mort-> Anyway we abused avatars mobs on sat
21:18 <Mort-> We did evil evil things to them
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21:57 <Mort-> I promised my aunt id shop that week end
22:13 <Mort-> Technically Friday is the shopping day though
38:15 <Mort-> My oh my
38:26 <Mort-> Apparently a high level oskar will be a beast
39:59 <Spaceshot> aww... wild rager isn't allowed
40:08 <Spaceshot> probably because of the fact that you could kill team mates with it
41:20 <Mekkis> Itzamna might take spell focus conjuration
44:04 <Mort-> I have both conjuration and greater ><
44:19 <Mort-> Makes my glitterdust a beast ><
44:45 <Mort-> Sometimes i wonder if i should have taken it on enchantment instead
44:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+9 DC20 Handle Animal check, (teach Khaa! hunt)
44:54 <diebot> Mekkis, DC20 Handle Animal check, (teach Khaa! hunt): [1d20=7] 16
45:08 <Mort-> Failed
45:17 <Mort-> Id say khaa got distracted
46:21 <Spaceshot> back
47:09 <Spaceshot> Brunius: you on school holidays?
47:37 <Mekkis> 50% chance of success
48:58 <Brunius> Yeah
49:02 <Brunius> Till the 16th
49:04 <Spaceshot> bah, I only get 1 week
49:13 <Spaceshot> your last week basically
56:28 <Mort-> Why do you say you'll get more free
56:41 <Mort-> As in campaign running wise
56:54 <Spaceshot> what?
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57:07 <Mort-> Bru
10:12 <Brunius> Mo
14:21 <Brunius> Because it's school holidays, I have an extra 9-10 hours a day I can use for various things
14:31 <Brunius> eg - painting minis, writing up campaign ideas
19:32 <Mort-> Lol
19:42 <Mort-> Not sure if i would paint minis
19:58 <Mort-> id probably end up reading fan fic
20:35 <Spaceshot> lol fanfic
22:00 <Spaceshot> I should really do something more productive with my days off (I only go to AIE wed-friday) rather than just playing games :P
23:18 <Brunius> Get a job
23:24 <Brunius> :P
23:44 <Spaceshot> I don't believe you've met my psyche
24:28 <Spaceshot> but yes, I should probably get a job
24:35 <Spaceshot> but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon
24:38 <Brunius> Get one of those at home ones
24:44 <Brunius> That all the ads on the internet talk about
24:49 <Avatar> yeah get a job
24:52 <Avatar> it's so easy
25:01 <Spaceshot> do you have a job Avatar?
25:06 <Brunius> Didn't Mort- get a job in like a month?
25:12 <Avatar> I'm getting one
25:13 <Brunius> How long have you been jobless Avatar?
25:14 <Avatar> it's so easy
25:22 <Avatar> god
25:24 <Spaceshot> getting and having are 2 completely different hings
25:25 <Spaceshot> things*
26:02 <Mort-> I'm at work now yes
26:09 <Mort-> Its contract though
26:18 <Brunius> Ah
26:25 <Brunius> That's not good, is it?
26:35 * Mort- is a bookworm just like her wizard
26:42 <Spaceshot> it's better than not having a job
26:44 <Brunius> Hmm, to eat more vegemite toast or not eat more vegemite toast
26:47 <Brunius> True
28:12 <Spaceshot> also, I bet mort has skills, or better yet, qualifications, that I don't have
28:37 <Spaceshot> because in the end, 90% of jobs don't want to know what skills you have, just what qualifications you've got
28:52 <Brunius> I have qualifications, actually
29:09 <Spaceshot> such as?
29:10 <Brunius> I have this neat certificate that says I can email stuff
29:13 <Brunius> Cert I in IT
29:15 <Spaceshot> haha
29:17 <Brunius> So useless....
29:30 <Spaceshot> I've got Cert IV in IT (software development)
29:40 <Spaceshot> really doubt that's going to get me anywhere
33:51 <Spaceshot> yay, no motivation to do anything
33:54 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I've found the opposite
34:09 <Mekkis> they want to know what experience you have, not what degrees you've got
34:34 <Spaceshot> programming is most of that 10% that don't care for qualifications
35:01 <Mekkis> a lot of jobs don't care about qualifications or experience
35:09 <Mekkis> they just want someone who can shuffle papers
35:24 <Spaceshot> don't underestimate the requirements of those jobs
36:21 <Spaceshot> anywho, Brunius/Avatar up for some EYE?
36:36 <Brunius> Haven't played in a while
36:39 <Brunius> So why not?
36:51 <Spaceshot> I bet Avatar is also free (when isn't he XD)
36:54 <Brunius> Don't think I've played since I whacked Ballig's GPU into this computer
37:05 <Spaceshot> haha
37:12 <Spaceshot> you might actually have some framerate going on then
37:41 <Brunius> Framerate? What's that?
38:02 <Spaceshot> :P
38:13 <Spaceshot> yay steam is lagging
38:39 <Spaceshot> someone besides me will have to host
39:09 <Brunius> I'll try, but can't guarantee anything because of my NAT issues
39:21 <Spaceshot> nat issues? still?
39:26 <Brunius> Yeah
39:35 <Spaceshot> were you able to host last time?
39:40 <Brunius> Can't remember
40:18 <Spaceshot> I know I was able to host, but that was when I was in adelaide with a cable connection
40:24 <Spaceshot> and I know ballig did host, not sure about avatar
41:17 <Brunius> map?
41:36 <Spaceshot> campaign mode
41:56 <Spaceshot> I'm just checking my characters atm
42:07 <Brunius> Challenge?
42:25 <Spaceshot> I'd say the equivalent of medium
42:34 <Spaceshot> but have the spawn rate or whatever it's called at the max
43:22 <Mort-> Morning
44:12 <Brunius> It's up, try joining me
44:55 <Spaceshot> what's your ip?
45:09 <Brunius> 192.168.14.12 :P
45:14 <Avatar> yo
45:14 <Brunius> Hang on, I'll find it
45:22 <Brunius> 118.209.234.193
45:25 <Spaceshot> did you also turn off lan only?
45:29 <Brunius> ofc
45:54 <Spaceshot> Avatar: you there?
46:05 * Mort- giggles
46:28 <Brunius> ...
46:29 <Mort-> Did novel ask any questions?
46:42 <Mort-> No. Seriously I'm here a lot :p
46:55 <Mort-> Do you want me to ask a specific set of questions
47:05 <Mort-> Else ill just steal their cookies
47:14 <Spaceshot> password?
47:22 <Brunius> Ballig
47:31 <Brunius> I should bake some cookies and bring them to conquest
47:37 <Brunius> Anyone have any allergies?
47:47 <Spaceshot> I always forget how to put password in the connect string in console
48:08 <Spaceshot> is it 'connect IP:port; password PASSWORD'?
48:27 <Brunius> I dunno
48:33 <Spaceshot> also, have you port forwarded/
48:34 <Spaceshot> ?*
48:37 <Brunius> No
48:42 <Spaceshot> are you able to?
48:49 <Brunius> No
48:53 <Spaceshot> seriously?
48:54 <Brunius> Can't get access to the router
49:04 <Spaceshot> paranoid dad is paranoid?
49:05 <Mort-> You can bake?
49:11 <Mort-> Wow!
49:12 <Brunius> Something like that
49:23 <Spaceshot> are you sure it's not the default password?
49:26 <Mort-> Craft(baking)
49:32 <Brunius> I've tried the default password yo
49:36 <Spaceshot> bah
49:56 <Spaceshot> guess you're going to have to play on my shitty 4G hosting
49:58 <Spaceshot> LETS DO IT
50:05 <Avatar> sense motive
50:12 <Brunius> Dude
50:21 <Brunius> Did you think I was joking about making cookies the last two times?
50:24 <Brunius> I actually did
50:28 <Spaceshot> should be in the server browser
50:37 <Brunius> Called?
50:44 <Spaceshot> spaceshot
50:46 <Mort-> Ah
50:46 <Spaceshot> I think
51:02 <Mort-> Down here its not common for guys to bake i guess
51:22 <Brunius> Can't see it there
51:31 <Brunius> Joining through steam is giving me an internal ip address
51:37 <Mort-> Heck these days I've been d&ding on week ends so i don't bake
52:09 <Spaceshot> why didn't you make anything for RPT then?
52:11 <Spaceshot> so mean
52:20 <Brunius> Insufficient motivation?
52:33 <Brunius> Didn't think of it?
52:45 <Spaceshot> it was probably your only time you'd be playing a level 11 for about a year or 2
52:51 <Spaceshot> knowing your track record :P
52:58 <Mort-> Its his choice if he wants to bake Dr not
53:04 <Brunius> What do you mean "Knowing my track record"?
53:10 <Spaceshot> hit 6, reroll :P
53:23 <Spaceshot> try again on server, just port forwarded
53:38 <Spaceshot> o...k...
53:40 <Spaceshot> wrong server XD
53:47 <Spaceshot> wrong map, but just try joining anyway
55:09 <Brunius> Not getting anything in server browser
55:10 <Brunius> IP?
56:25 <Spaceshot> 49.3.7.156
56:31 <Spaceshot> port 27015
57:19 <Brunius> nope
57:20 <Brunius> nothing
57:55 <Spaceshot> connect 49.3.7.156:27015; password dnd
58:28 <Brunius> nothing
58:44 <Spaceshot> are you sure 118.209.234.193 is your IP?
59:13 <Brunius> Yes.
59:35 <Spaceshot> try pinging it
00:16 <Brunius> Average 0ms
00:18 <Brunius> Happy?
00:25 <Spaceshot> mmk, so it is there
00:29 <Spaceshot> gimme a sec
00:35 <Spaceshot> lemme see if I need to open any other ports
01:46 <Spaceshot> ahh
01:49 <Spaceshot> needed more ports
01:51 <Spaceshot> gimme a sec
03:49 <Spaceshot> should be up
04:33 <Brunius> nothing
04:42 <Spaceshot> seriously?
04:47 <Brunius> seriously
04:56 <Spaceshot> are you using console?
05:20 <Brunius> yes
05:40 <Spaceshot> connect 49.3.7.156:27015
05:41 <Spaceshot> ?
06:07 <Brunius> ; password dnd
06:08 <Brunius> yes
06:16 <Spaceshot> have you left your current server first?
06:55 <Brunius> yes
07:16 <Spaceshot> gimme a sec to reboot EYE
08:08 <Spaceshot> try again
08:11 <Spaceshot> it might magically work
09:36 <Brunius> nothing
10:49 <Spaceshot> unfortunately we don't have a third person to check if it's me hosting thats the issue, or it's your comp/connection
11:06 <Brunius> Avatar around?
11:22 <Spaceshot> says he's online in steam
11:24 <Spaceshot> so I'm guessing
12:24 <Avatar> I'm busy trying to get a job
12:36 <Brunius> Ha
12:56 <Spaceshot> I thought you're already getting a job
13:07 <Spaceshot> like it was in the mail or something
14:34 <Spaceshot> well when you're done do you want to play EYE? or at least try and get it working
18:15 <Mort-> Lol
18:34 <Mort-> Why don't YOU try to get a job space :d
18:46 <Spaceshot> because
18:51 <Spaceshot> in short, my head is fucked
20:03 <Mort-> Your only defeated if you think you are
21:36 <Spaceshot> yay another one to add to the list of they think more than they know :P
27:21 <Spaceshot> but seriously, fucked up head doesn't help me in the slightest
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43:02 <Spaceshot> sweet, can't find my files
43:14 <Spaceshot> as in the tool
47:10 <MekkisScreen> !quote
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00:40 <Hydrazine_> Yo.
04:36 <Mekkis> moin
04:52 <Brunius> mentlegen
08:51 <Mort-> Zao
13:33 <Hydrazine_> Fo sho
13:54 <Mort-> Selamat pagi
14:27 <Mekkis> TCP-SYN
15:09 <Mort-> Its not a language
15:13 <Mort-> You fail mek :p
15:29 <Mekkis> yes it is
15:34 <Mekkis> SYN -> 
15:37 <Mekkis> <- ACK
16:14 <Mort-> Gibberish
16:23 <Mort-> Does it say good morning?
16:29 <Mekkis> yes
16:35 <Mort-> Right
16:37 <Mekkis> we were trying to negotiate a protocol
16:44 <Mort-> Your Making it up :p
16:53 <War_Wrecker> MENTLEGEN
16:59 <War_Wrecker> :P
17:03 <Mort-> Already used
17:05 <War_Wrecker> I know
17:20 <War_Wrecker> wait
17:34 <War_Wrecker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJbY4ixm_ZM
17:50 <Mekkis> and regardless
17:58 <Mekkis> "moin" doesn't say "good morning"
18:29 <Mort-> I assumed it did :(
18:50 <Mort-> But what i spoke was good morning in 2 languages
20:57 <Mekkis> so you fail :S
21:14 <Mort-> No?
21:30 <Mort-> Your the odd one out!
22:19 <Mekkis> I started it
23:49 <Mort-> No?
23:54 <Mort-> Hydra did!
37:01 <Hydrazine_> I did?
37:49 <Hydrazine_> Sorry, too busy watching Death Valley.
38:06 <Hydrazine_> Its like.. Reno 911 meets Left 4 Dead.
54:58 <MekkisScreen> wiw
54:59 <MekkisScreen> wow
55:04 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot's connection is shit
05:49 <Hydrazine_> Okay. Thats cool.
05:50 <Hydrazine_> Thanks.
06:45 <Hydrazine_> I found my house in 8-bit!
07:20 <Hydrazine_> Your system may not meet the minumum requirements for 8-bit computations.
08:05 <Mort-> Lol
08:57 <Hydrazine_> google be trollin'
10:59 <Avatar> it's pretty cool
11:40 <Hydrazine_> http://www.google.com/racing/
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15:09 <Wasteomana> hello?
15:20 <Hydrazine_> G'day mate.
15:37 <Wasteomana> How goes?
15:46 <Hydrazine_> Goes.
16:00 <Hydrazine_> Being amused at some of this year's big corporate april fools jokes.
16:20 <Mort-> Really?
16:26 <Mort-> Mine was uneventful
16:32 <Wasteomana> Same
16:41 <Hydrazine_> Toshiba has a commercial up for oddly shaped tablets.
16:52 <Hydrazine_> Oblong, Rhombus and heart.
17:31 <Hydrazine_> A youtube DVD.
17:31 <Hydrazine_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_UmWdcTrrc&feature=g-yt&context=G2d916c2FYAAAAAAABAA
17:52 <Wasteomana> So what all do peoples do on this IRC?
18:02 <Hydrazine_> We play D&D!
18:06 <Hydrazine_> Pathfinder type, usually.
18:14 <Wasteomana> blech
18:20 <Hydrazine_> Not all the time ofcourse. Its not exactly something you can do all day.
18:28 <Wasteomana> fair enough
18:44 <Hydrazine_> What were you looking for?
19:02 <Mort-> Cookies!
19:07 <Hydrazine_> lol.
19:07 <Mort-> Tons of them
19:11 <Wasteomana> best case scenario: Other people who DM for 4e.
19:14 <Hydrazine_> 75 trucks full of youtube DVDs.
19:24 <MekkisScreen> second best?
19:29 <Wasteomana> DMs in general
19:30 <Hydrazine_> Oh. Sorry, we don't believe we do any 4E here.
19:33 <MekkisScreen> oh
19:35 <Mort-> Lol
19:36 <MekkisScreen> I DM stuff
19:42 <Hydrazine_> Or rather, I've never seen any 4E.
19:45 <MekkisScreen> I won't run 4e though
19:47 <Wasteomana> fair enough
19:57 <Mort-> He also has a horn and a tail. And claws :)
20:05 <Wasteomana> why the refusal of 4e if you dont mind me asking?
20:12 <Mort-> Make it has horns
20:44 <MekkisScreen> from someone who's played the previous editions, 4e seems too contrived, inflexible, and... well .. not "epic
20:47 <Mort-> Don't like the system mechanics
20:51 <Wasteomana> (really just typed in dnd irc in google and joined a couple channels to see what is going on)
21:08 <MekkisScreen> I'm sure there are people out there who like it, but... 
21:25 <Wasteomana> I've played and DMed previous editions as well, seems perfectly flexible to me but everyone has their opinions
21:30 <Mort-> No trip. No grapple. No disarm.
21:42 <Mort-> Oops :p
22:06 <Wasteomana> trip = prone, grapple = grab and I disarm my players every now and again.
22:45 <Hydrazine_> Personally, I don't like 4E because it feels a bit like a video game.
23:09 <Hydrazine_> Like they're taking away options to make things more simple.
23:27 <Wasteomana> I've heard that a lot and its a valid reason.  If your DM only uses the rules and frameworks of the books its too simple by half
23:46 <Wasteomana> What do you mean by taking away options?
23:46 <Hydrazine_> But isn't the idea of the game to use the rules in the book?
23:51 <MekkisScreen> (If you know any of them, are they interested in buying a bunch of 4e books....)
24:35 <Wasteomana> The idea is to use the rules of the books as a base and build a story from them.  If you only stick to the basic rules and never do anything on top of it its like staying in the basement of a skyscraper.
25:05 <Wasteomana> You CAN do it, but not really sure why you would want to.  I feel like the problem with most people who see 4e is there is no explicit sign saying "elevator that way"
25:20 <MekkisScreen> Wasteomana: in my opinion, the rules are partly there to make running a game easier. If I need to throw out most of them or build massively on top of them to make an interesting game, then it's adding more work to teh DM
25:23 <Wasteomana> Mekkis: I own almost all the 4e books, so sorry.
25:48 <MekkisScreen> pity: I have an almost untouched PHB, MM and DMG...
26:29 <Wasteomana> Well, thats assuming it is hard to make upthe stuff as you go and need the extra rules.  One of my primary problems with 3.5 was that there was a legit rule to memorize for everything
26:32 <Hydrazine_> I hope you have a fruitful search. Chances ae theres got to be some 4E nerds doing like us Pathfinder nerds do somewhere.
26:58 <Wasteomana> Hydra: I found someone to talk to, pretty much search success :-P
27:07 <Hydrazine_> Fair enough then.
27:18 <MekkisScreen> depending on your players, it is
27:36 <Wasteomana> Having a rule for everything is great if everyone knows all the rules all the time, in that way I feel it fits better as a video game.
27:48 <Hydrazine_> Yeah, I tried 4E, and it just felt like.. they were replacing all the variety and options and class features with something like MMO special attacks.
27:49 <MekkisScreen> that being sait, one thing that 3.5/PF does tend to do is remove the divinity from a DM :S
27:52 <Wasteomana> Your computer doesn't have to look up how hard it is to swim through jelly
28:26 <MekkisScreen> I'd think that 4e would be easier to put on a computer than 3.5e
28:29 <Wasteomana> In 3e there might be rule for that written down somewhere, 4e just says "DM make something up"
28:31 <Hydrazine_> I played WoW for a while, and thats what 4E reminded me of.
28:52 <MekkisScreen> how does $NPC react to Charm Monster?
29:39 <Wasteomana> 4e would be easy to do on a computer, but really boring as there is a lot of stuff it is assumed that is up to the DM to make up on the fly.  I think that the rules would be too constrictive, or non existant to make it a good game.
29:47 <Wasteomana> Disarm being a good example
30:01 <Hydrazine_> So how do you disarm in 4E?
30:15 <Wasteomana> me personally or as in how the rules say to disarm people?
30:27 <Hydrazine_> I'd like both answers if you don't mind.
30:28 <MekkisScreen> Wasteomana: how do you cast /shrink object/ in 4e?
31:04 <Wasteomana> Mekkis: Assuming said spell exists, pretty similar to how you would use it in older editions
32:04 <Wasteomana> The rules say to only disarm via things that are thematic and explainable with fluff.  I tend to use fumbles, crits and opposed skill checks (like a grab/grapple with weapons) if people want to disarm one another.
33:07 <Wasteomana> 4e rules say "we have no rules for disarm, make stuff up".  In a computer game that translates to "disarm doesn't exist", in dnd that translates to "use whatever rules best enable you to mechanically explain the story in the situation".
33:32 <Wasteomana> problem is most people go "oh, there are no specific rules for disarm, therefore I cannot be disarmed"
33:53 <Wasteomana> same thing with trip: There are no specific rules for tripping people, so people cannot be tripped.
34:19 <Hydrazine_> Part of my experiences with 4E involve a 4E fan friend of mine getting a bunch of experienced 3.5 players to do a 4E game with him.
34:45 <Hydrazine_> And one of these wants to disarm some guy because hes kicking ass. DM says "You can't." Rage started building from there.
34:49 <Wasteomana> which, if you are thinking about characters as collections of polygons makes lots of sense, but if you are thinking about it as a game designed to emulate life taking place with a different ruleset it makes no sense.
34:59 <Wasteomana> Well, thats a silly DM :-P
35:11 <Hydrazine_> Atleast you can understand where I'm getting the video game feel from.
35:18 <Wasteomana> 100% understand it
35:23 <Hydrazine_> Maybe I'd have more fun with it with a more versatile DM.
35:35 <Hydrazine_> If it helps any I think it was his first game of 4E too.
35:57 <Wasteomana> I completely understand when someone says "my dm only plays by what goes into the rules" and the person saying it feels like a video game.
36:03 <Hydrazine_> I'm not absolutely opposed to trying 4E again, but I'm not exactly going to hunt out a game if you get me.
36:16 <Hydrazine_> I did like a few of the concepts.
36:21 <Wasteomana> In that respect, the way 4e is presented is really bad at showing that image, partially intentionally.
36:38 <Wasteomana> I have the same opinion of CoC games.
36:38 <Hydrazine_> I think 4E has more opportunity for a melee to try and control his enemy, for instance.
37:43 <Hydrazine_> Do you feel like 4E tried to make combat effectiveness more equivalent across the classes?
37:47 <Wasteomana> and more opportunity for low level casters not feeling like they should play a melee character for the first 5+ levels and then switch to a caster at higher levels.
38:02 <Wasteomana> More equivalent, yes
38:10 <Hydrazine_> How do you feel about this?
38:17 <Wasteomana> about what?
38:35 <Hydrazine_> Okay. I think I'm against it. Whats the point of a fighter if everyone else can fight just as well, and do other stuff?
39:09 <Wasteomana> I think we are dangerously close to talking past eachother instead of talking to eachother, what exactly are we talking about right now?
39:18 <Hydrazine_> I'm currently playing a fighter pretty often in our pathfinder games, and he rocks the house at what he does. Can't do shit else though.
39:41 <MekkisScreen> Wasteomana: last I checked, the spellShrink Object doesn't exist in 4e
40:00 <Hydrazine_> If the rest of my party could fight just as well and still do other stuff too, I think this would change how useful I find my character.
40:05 <Mort-> Enlarged fighters ftw.
40:07 <Wasteomana> It may not, but thats rather apples to oranges there.
40:11 <MekkisScreen> (that was one thing that annoyed me: the fact that pretty much any spell that doesn't do damage doesn't exist in 4e)
40:31 <MekkisScreen> 4E did teach me some important things though
40:44 <MekkisScreen> "Avoid Combat at all costs"
40:47 <Wasteomana> I honestly cant respond to everyone's things fast enough, lol
41:14 <MekkisScreen> Because if you find yourself in combat, it'll take ages to finish
41:19 <Hydrazine_> The beauty of text based conversation is that we can all scroll up instead of just forgetting things.
41:24 <Wasteomana> Saying X spell doesnt exist in Y system and thus Y system is silly is kinda a 2 way street.
41:38 <Wasteomana> Combat is actually really fast at my table.
41:56 <MekkisScreen> Wasteomana: true: but the fact that NO non-damaging spells exist is my issue
42:35 <Wasteomana> Well, a few things about that mekkis.  non-damaging spells do infact exist, most of them are just rituals or combined into other types of spells
43:55 <MekkisScreen> rituals have their own issues: you can't even attempt to use them in combat, they cost nontrivial amounts of money...
44:35 <Wasteomana> a good number of those can be made free rather easily, or have their costs drastically reduced.
44:56 <MekkisScreen> (keep in mind my 4E experiences is 2008-2009 based)
45:21 <MekkisScreen> the other thing I felt in 4E was that you never *got* anywhere...
45:24 <Wasteomana> For instance: Shrink "You shrink an object.  Your arcana check result determines how small the item becomes and how long the effect lasts."
45:41 <Wasteomana> a good check being 10% of truesize for 24 hours
45:54 <MekkisScreen> (DCs increase at exactly the same rate as bonuses increase)
46:17 <Wasteomana> What do you mean by that mekkis?
46:41 <MekkisScreen> you're doing exactly the same thing at level 9 as you were at level 2
46:51 <Wasteomana> Would you mind offering an example?
47:02 <MekkisScreen> except that combat takes a lot longer
47:16 <MekkisScreen> at level 2, you hit on a 9 on the dice.
47:27 <MekkisScreen> at level 9, you still hit on a 9 on the dice.
47:42 <MekkisScreen> the only difference is that at level 2, your total is 19
48:18 <Wasteomana> assuming you are still fighting equal level creatures yes.  The difference being the first time you hit a goblin and the second time you hit an ogre (rough example)
49:01 <Wasteomana> at level 19 you are hitting on a 9 against something even meaner if it is the same level, at 25 even meaner at 30 the meanest ever.
49:21 <Wasteomana> but if you, say, attacked that goblin you saw at level 2 you instead hit on a 2.
49:46 <Wasteomana> but thats fairly true with all dice based games
49:59 <Wasteomana> well, should say that is true with most instead of sort of true with all.
51:34 <MekkisScreen> but your combat options do improve in some systems
51:52 <Wasteomana> for instance?
53:28 <Mort-> I used to colour spray!
53:40 <Mort-> It sort of hits everyone in the vicinity :(
54:02 <Mort-> At least now my idea of battlefield control is more controllable
55:05 <Hydrazine_> I do gotta say, you're pretty good at aiming those things.
55:16 <Hydrazine_> Takes me a bit to figure out area effect spells and positioning.
55:31 <Mort-> I've had practice! 6 levels worth!
55:42 <Wasteomana> Lets see to get back to earlier comments: "combat takes forever"- Yes it does in any system until people have it learned.  I think with the system being, effectively, smaller and more left to the DM for specific thematic elements that means the basic system can be learned faster and remembered more effectively.
55:43 <Hydrazine_> All I'm really practiced at in that direction is how much of an area big Jerus can murder in.
55:48 <Mort-> Lol that's why i have to insist i must see the map
57:54 <Mort-> The side note besides that i can actually picture those squares on the map...
58:32 <Mort-> The ultimate mastery is when you can see and know what your allies are going to do
58:43 <Mort-> Heh :p
58:50 <Mort-> Its like you know...
59:27 <Wasteomana> "If the rest of the party could fight just as well" depends what you mean by fight.  The fighter will still out punch the wizard, the wizard will out magic the fighter.  The main difference being that the wizard no longer playes like a crappy fighter/rogue/ranger/etc at low levels with an occasional spell mixed in and is now functional and useful from the first level.  People's opinions on whether 
59:28 <Wasteomana> this is a good thing or not understandably vary.  I understand the mindset that wizards have to study for a long time to be useful and are paying for their awesomeness later by not be as strong out of the gate.  I also understand the thought of "Im playing a game, I dont want to have to go through 5 IRL months of feeling useless to be awesome later.  I'd rather be useful from day one and awesome 
59:28 <Wasteomana> later."
01:05 <Wasteomana> (sorry, dont mean to drone on if I'm the only one still interested in that topic)
01:17 <Hydrazine_> No, its cool.
01:39 <Mort-> Not in a position to comment since i haven't played 4e before in all honesty
02:01 <Hydrazine_> I guess to be more specific, sure I get that the fighter's gonna use weapons and such, and the wizard is going to use spells, but is there a noticable difference in actual damage output from either one? Or from other classes?
02:02 <MekkisScreen> Wasteomana: I believe the "Combat Takes Forever" was an issue that remained such until they erratad about 95% of the monster manual to actually drop the HPs to managable totals...
03:04 <Hydrazine_> I do think though that converting saves to to static values rather than roll modifiers is a good thing in the general idea of speeding things up.
03:07 <Wasteomana> Hydra: yes there is
04:30 <Wasteomana> Hydra: But its the roles that will be doing different scales of damages.  But if you dont know much about 4e its hard to say anything about that as it takes an understanding of the new role system before you can even start the discussion.
05:31 <Wasteomana> But to use the example stated, the Wizard will do smaller amounts of damage to more things and his damage will come with other effects.  His fire might not do as much damage to a target as the warrior's axe, but it did that damage to 5 targets and now the ground is on fire.
06:11 <Wasteomana> Mekkis: Agreed, they did that wrong and they still suck at making solos.
06:26 <MekkisScreen> but the wizard is still clicking on the bad guys
06:32 * Mort- makes a nice firewall and decides that the ground is on fire as well
06:36 <Wasteomana> clicking on?
11:08 <MekkisScreen> yeah
11:17 <Wasteomana> What do you mean by clicking on?
11:17 <MekkisScreen> saying "I attack that thing"
11:47 <MekkisScreen> rather than, say, casting Enlarge Person on the fighter
11:51 <Wasteomana> Well, in the example I was using i was talking about a burst/blast where you attack that area.
12:18 <Wasteomana> Ahh, I gotcha, they are more of a direct combat person than a support character
12:19 <MekkisScreen> I know
12:58 <MekkisScreen> congrats, you can use that Blast/burst... 1/day?
13:02 <Wasteomana> The support character thing has been shifted away from the wizard generally.
13:19 <Wasteomana> um, depending on which it is you might be able to use it every turn
13:24 * Mort- wails because she is a helpful wizard
14:22 <MekkisScreen> but everyone is, in some way or another, a "direct combat person"
14:35 <Wasteomana> except for the leader, who isnt
15:12 <Wasteomana> and while the wizard might be a "direct combat person" they arent a "direct damage person" like the strikers are.
15:34 <MekkisScreen> they still do nothing but sit around doing damage
15:56 <Wasteomana> except for all the effects which is their primary role instead of damage.
16:14 <Wasteomana> The wizard who tries to out damage the fighter is a bad wizard
16:34 <Wasteomana> and generally unsuccessful, very specific situations not withstanding.
18:10 <Wasteomana> the fighter is saying "I do x damage" the wizard is saying "I do y damage and also they fly over that way, or sit down, or are blind, or deaf, or temporarily a turtle, or stuck in some mud, or slow, or on fire."
20:25 <MekkisScreen> sure
20:28 <MekkisScreen> damage + effect
20:34 <MekkisScreen> but so does the fighter
20:55 <Wasteomana> sometimes, but generally the more important bit for the fighter is the damage and the wizard is more about the effect.
21:11 <Wasteomana> For just effect you scoot over to the warlord instead
21:21 <Wasteomana> or cleric/bard etc etc
48:49 OsterGuard ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
49:24 <OsterGuard> So who's online?
49:29 <Mort-> Of
49:31 <Mort-> Me
50:11 <OsterGuard> Coolio
50:21 <OsterGuard> I'm in class :)
50:47 <Mort-> You shouldn't irc in class
51:10 <OsterGuard> Probably shouldn't, no
51:12 <Avatar> yes you should
51:15 <Avatar> don't listen OsterGuard
51:22 <OsterGuard> Oh, okay
51:37 <OsterGuard> I'll make sure to tell my teacher
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04:58 <Mort-> So 4
05:09 <Mort-> Dc 14 fort save
05:09 <Steven> who are you intimidating oster?
05:12 <Mort-> Oh forget it
05:20 <Mort-> Sux
05:26 <Steven> mort?
05:56 <OsterGuard> I'm just messing around
06:18 <OsterGuard> Intimidating an RL friend
06:50 <Steven> cool?
07:02 <OsterGuard>  Yes.
07:10 <OsterGuard> I made him catch my train
07:13 <Steven> can i show you how intimidation is supposed to be done?
07:18 Steven is now known as Ausk
07:19 <OsterGuard> Sure
07:30 <Ausk> !throw 1d20+37 Intimidation
07:30 <diebot> Ausk, Intimidation: [1d20=15] 52
07:38 <OsterGuard> I honestly have no idea
07:57 <Mort-> He is level 12 and an inquisitor
08:09 <Ausk> yeah....
08:55 <Mort-> Anyway
08:56 <OsterGuard> So for a level 1 cleric it would be...?
09:01 <Mort-> You around this week end?
09:13 <Mort-> Did you even put any skill ranks into it?
09:23 <OsterGuard> Nope
09:29 <Mort-> Otherwise its just your cha mod
09:43 <Mort-> Which I'm guessing its a +2 or +3
10:10 <OsterGuard> I am around, an it's holidays so I don't have anything I need to do
10:10 <OsterGuard> So I can play
10:16 <OsterGuard> And yeah, it's 1 I think
10:16 <OsterGuard> Maybe 2
10:42 <OsterGuard> Only thing I have +3 is wisdom
10:56 <Hydrazine_> Oster might be playing this weekend? Cool.
11:24 <Ausk> i have fried chicken!
12:49 <OsterGuard> D: I lost connection.
13:53 <Spaceshot> Brunius: how's your 40k going?
13:55 <OsterGuard> But yeah, anything I need to know about this weekend?
14:28 <Mort-> Steven will you be around this week end?
14:36 <Mort-> Whats your ac
14:46 <Spaceshot> OsterGuard: you said you were from perth and played 40k? (I remember the perth part, not exactly sure on the 40k part)
14:53 <Mort-> Chances are you'll end up with a monk and a magus in your party
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14:52 <Mort-> Only problem is you can't charm person
15:21 <Steven> Jedi's=Mystic Theurges 
15:25 <Tashes> oh there we go ^_^
16:10 <Tashes> I got a new phoen today!
16:24 <Mort-> You can't brillant energy your blade
16:36 <Spaceshot> ... JEDI ARE NOT DIVINE OR ARCANE
16:46 <Steven> yeah, they are both
16:47 <Spaceshot> they're either true namers or psionic
17:04 <Steven> Mystic theurge
17:17 <Spaceshot> fuck it, I give up
17:26 <Mort-> They are arcane!
17:26 <Spaceshot> think what you want
17:26 <Hydrazine> lol.
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43:27 <Steven> oh man.... this sucks
43:38 <Steven> im tired....
43:40 <Spaceshot> fuck that was painful
43:43 <Steven> how is that even possible
49:23 <Mort-> B) none of us can heal worth sh*t
49:35 <OsterGuard> I know :p
49:39 <Mort-> So i thought id try my hand at buttery :m
49:43 <Avatar> isn't Ava a life oracle
49:43 <Mort-> :d
49:46 <OsterGuard> I can? :O
49:55 <Mort-> He is at the convention nub!
50:02 <Avatar> oh you're right
50:04 <Avatar> only on the sunday
50:08 <Mort-> Dug
50:10 <Mort-> Duh
50:25 <Avatar> no Duh is a product of fear
50:26 <Mort-> God knows how long he is deciding to stay whatsoever 
50:31 <Mort-> Besides me and space.
50:47 <Mort-> Ah well
51:21 <Tashes> what the fuck is a dreidel? 
51:57 <Mort-> Besides I'm a fluffy mur when i decide to fluff
52:56 <Steven> its a spinning top
53:19 <OsterGuard> Good to know.
53:37 <Hydrazine> a four sided top.
53:45 <Hydrazine> a topd4
54:13 <Mort-> I've been in one game without a healer :d
54:17 <Mort-> O dear
54:31 <OsterGuard> Not good, generally.
54:38 <Tashes> Did you both google it?
54:44 <Steven> nope
54:47 <Hydrazine> No, I've known this for ages.
54:56 <Steven> its cake, people just need to bring pots
54:59 <Steven> my brother once had to do a report on a randomly chosen word
55:06 <Steven> and he got dreidel
55:12 <Spaceshot> hehe
55:13 <OsterGuard> Orrrrrr
55:18 <OsterGuard> Healers
55:28 <Spaceshot> usually made of clay
55:34 <Spaceshot> jewish spinning top
55:36 <Hydrazine> We learned this in school around Hanukkah time
55:43 <Tashes> yeah but you're american.
55:44 <Spaceshot> usually with carvings out of ancient hebrew on the sides
55:50 <Steven> yeah.... or bring pots
55:59 <Hydrazine> I don't remember the symbols, but its a game.
55:59 <Tashes> and space is googling.
56:02 <Spaceshot> Tashes: no, no I'm not
56:06 <Spaceshot> I know too much about religion
56:07 <Tashes> and steven, i dont know you, but i think i'm gonna go with you know too much.
56:14 <OsterGuard> Orrrrr
56:15 <Spaceshot> mainly from cartoons and laughing about stupid religious shit
56:16 <OsterGuard> Nevermind
56:28 <Steven> well
56:40 <Steven> im disabled, so i dont do anything but run errands for my family and read
56:52 <Steven> yeah so i went and layed down for a nap today
56:54 <Mort-> Too low level for pots
56:57 <Steven> about 12
57:03 <Mort-> !throw 4#
57:10 <Steven> just woke up
57:15 <Steven> 12 hours of sleeping
57:16 <Spaceshot> what type of disabled?
57:22 <Mort-> !throw 4#1d6-4
57:22 <Steven> chronic migraines
57:23 <diebot> Mort-, 4#1d6-4: [1d6=3] -1, [1d6=5] 1, [1d6=5] 1, [1d6=2] -2
57:35 <Spaceshot> oh, nothing fancy, dang XD
57:43 <Steven> 4/7 days of the week
57:45 <Mort-> Minmum damage you do is still 1 right?
57:51 <Mort-> Hm
57:52 <Hydrazine> He got his head chopped off in 'Nam.
57:53 <Steven> sam was supposed to wake me up at like 3pm
57:55 <Mort-> Not a good idea
57:56 <Steven> no....
58:01 <Steven> you actually can heal a mob
58:05 <Steven> with doing negative damae
58:07 <Mort-> Can you do 0 damage?
58:08 <Steven> damage
58:13 <Mort-> Right
58:16 <Steven> hehehehehehe
58:16 <Hydrazine> Still carried the more injured in his platoon off the front line.
58:21 <Steven> yeah minimum damage is 1
58:21 <Mort-> Your not being funny are you?
58:23 <Steven> hydra....
58:24 <OsterGuard> !throw 1d20+2 intimidate
58:24 <diebot> OsterGuard, intimidate: [1d20=14] 16
58:31 <Steven> you're not supposed to be telling people
58:42 <Steven> wish i never carried you off right now
58:45 <Spaceshot> XD
59:44 <Spaceshot> Steven: I really need to get my whatever the fuck I have as a signed off disability
59:50 <Spaceshot> I want more plastic crack XD
00:04 <Hydrazine> If I played a half orc barbarian, and wore red armor.. could I move faster?
00:25 <Spaceshot> no, only orks go fasta in red
00:33 <Spaceshot> RED WONS GO FASTA
00:44 <Hydrazine> WAAAGH!
01:03 <Steven> oh yeah
01:13 <Spaceshot> FOR AIUR (no idea what tau actually say, but I'd guess something close to that) XD
01:49 <Spaceshot> Steven: how would you suggest I go about getting properly tested for autism/asperges/ADD?
01:59 <Spaceshot> because 2 quacks so far say I've only got dysthemia, and that's it
02:07 <Spaceshot> fuckin quacks
02:27 <Steven> find a doctor that specializes in it
02:30 <Steven> and go get tested by him
02:45 <Spaceshot> bah, that requires effort
02:57 <Spaceshot> (I totally agree with dysthemia, but more chronic depression wise XD)
03:28 <Spaceshot> no wait, the first one said I had dysthemia, the other one said I had anxiety issues and gave me shitty drugs for it
03:58 <Spaceshot> but yea, I should probably find a proper doc
04:17 <Spaceshot> or a psyciatrist not a psychologist(can't prescribe meds WTF)
05:29 <Steven> yeah, if you want to get documented, you have to get documented properly
07:42 <Steven> otherwise you will never get it to stand up to a disabilities review
09:00 <Steven> woooooooooooooooooooooties
09:20 <Spaceshot> cookies?
09:29 <Steven> im goin to bed
09:38 <Steven> but i wont be sleepin
09:43 <Steven> bwahahahahah
09:46 <Steven> peace!
10:23 <Spaceshot> haha
10:30 <Spaceshot> I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR
10:36 * Spaceshot high fives Steven
10:39 <Spaceshot> give her one for me xd
10:41 <Spaceshot> XD*
10:44 <Steven> .....
10:46 <Steven> yeah.....
10:50 <Steven> i dont think so
11:06 <Spaceshot> dude don't be a party pooper
11:13 <Spaceshot> not my fault I couldn't come over this time, too short a notice
11:22 <Spaceshot> XD
11:22 <Steven> dont worry, im gonna give her as many as she will let me give her
11:32 <Steven> i just wont be giving her one from you lol
11:32 <Spaceshot> half a one?
11:32 <Tashes> Cookies?
11:36 <Tashes> i'm sure she likes cookies.
11:39 <Spaceshot> yes tashes, cookies
11:41 <Spaceshot> special cookies
11:53 <Tashes> ooo-ooo
12:01 <Avatar> Tashes: I'm glad you didn't wait to see my finished drawing
12:33 <Steven> see ya
12:47 <Steven> i hope ya have half as much fun as im bout to have
12:49 <Steven> see ya
13:24 Steven has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
13:41 <OsterGuard> My brother plays, and I was going to play l, but it's damned expensive.
13:50 <Mort-> What's your armor class like
14:50 <Tashes> Did you make it dirty?
15:01 <Tashes> cos i mean.. i always specify when i'm drawing a 'man'
15:19 <OsterGuard> Mine?
15:23 <OsterGuard> Hmmm
15:27 <OsterGuard> Lemme check.
15:32 <Mort-> Yeah
15:38 <Mort-> I think i know what's coming
15:51 <OsterGuard> I have my character sheet on my laptop
15:59 <Mort-> Yeah
17:00 <OsterGuard> 13
17:20 <Avatar> no
17:24 <Mort-> With armor?
17:24 <Avatar> do you want me to make it dirty
17:38 <OsterGuard> I think so
17:45 <Mort-> You start with 150 gp
17:50 <Mort-> Make use of it
17:56 <Mort-> Clerics can wear medium armor
18:00 <Tashes> usre
18:15 <Avatar> okay
18:17 <OsterGuard> What bonus does leather armor give you?
18:22 <Avatar> where possible
18:30 <Mort-> Check d20
18:32 <Avatar> some of the words you just can't do it with
18:33 <Brunius> Jerks
18:55 <OsterGuard> Well what do you reccomend then?
18:59 <OsterGuard> Chain shirt?
19:07 <Hydrazine> Hows your dex?
19:10 <Mort-> 2 for armor?
19:17 <Mort-> His dex is crap
19:31 <OsterGuard> +1
19:31 <Hydrazine> Scale mail puts you at atleast 15 AC.
19:31 <Hydrazine> ONe of my words was usher. Dunno how I can make that dirty.
19:31 <Brunius> I'm afraid to check my email now
19:31 <Hydrazine> If it was R.Kelly, now..
19:31 <Brunius> it might have more messages from ballgi
19:40 <Mort-> I say we get him to wear scale mail and wear a shield
19:41 <Hydrazine> About the highest you can afford to start with.
19:47 <Mort-> Unless he is 2 handing stuff
20:08 <Mort-> Sling you don't add strength damage
20:18 <Hydrazine> Not many options to 2hand as a cleric are there?
20:20 <OsterGuard> I need to know it
20:37 <Mort-> Not sure i never rolled up one
20:41 * OsterGuard 's weight and cost
20:44 <Ausk> no way, 2h clerics rock
20:54 <Mort-> He also gains proficiency in nethys weapons
20:56 <Ausk> just get channel smite
20:58 <Mort-> Whatever they are
21:05 <Mort-> Steven.
21:13 <Hydrazine> Why're you still Ausk?
21:17 <Mort-> Will you be around on sat/ Sunday
21:20 <Ausk> feels good
21:25 <Mort-> He wants to show off intimidate
21:29 <OsterGuard> Nethys is a quaterstaff
21:30 <Brunius> Ballig*
21:30 <Brunius> emailing the google group
21:41 <Mort-> Id pass on it
21:53 <Hydrazine> Scale mail and a heavy shield puts you at 17AC plus dex mod, aslong as its under 3.
22:07 <Mort-> Ok he has same ac as me
22:11 <Mort-> Hoku check?
22:21 <Hydrazine> Which is pretty good to start with.
22:32 <Hydrazine> I think Hoku's at 17 aswell.
22:39 <Mort-> You'll drop to 15?
23:11 <Hydrazine> For a couple levels, yes.
23:13 <Mort-> The moment you start "attacking"
23:24 <Hydrazine> But my opponent suffers the same, and more.
23:29 <Mort-> Yeah
23:41 <Mort-> Should i load more colour sprays?
23:56 <Mort-> Its a tad indiscriminate though
24:01 <Mort-> Will save?
24:13 <Ballig> what
24:45 <Steven> and completely useless once you fight 4HD+ creatures
24:53 <Mort-> Dude
24:59 <Mort-> We running a low level party
25:06 <Mort-> 1 and 2s
25:10 <Spaceshot> Brunius: lagging internet and no file to do miniature work make me very irritated
25:10 <Brunius> Ha
25:25 <Steven> pfffffffffffffffft
25:45 <Mort-> Are you suggesting i use a 3d6 sg on the bad guys?
26:16 <Mort-> Sure. Probably kills him on hit. But how about the other 3
26:19 <Brunius> I have a triangular file I've been using forever
26:19 <Spaceshot> fuck you
26:19 <Brunius> That's not very nice...
27:42 <Spaceshot> meh
27:42 <Spaceshot> so wish I was able to get a line into here
27:42 <Spaceshot> somehow
27:42 <Spaceshot> rather than having to use vividwireless
27:55 <Steven> im thinkin imma get me some pie
28:34 <Hydrazine>  What kind?
28:59 <Steven> sam says she made a cherry and a blackberry
29:07 <Steven> so........
29:08 <OsterGuard> Sorry I left guys. You must have missed me so much.
29:08 <Spaceshot> clearly
29:08 <OsterGuard> I'm trying to find a link for the first episode of A Game of Thrones
29:08 <OsterGuard> ;Season 2
29:12 <Steven> one of each bwahahahahaahahah
29:26 <OsterGuard> I want pie. :(
29:37 <Mort-> Will save on hoku?
29:41 <Mort-> Considering
29:43 <Mort-> Hm
29:57 <Mort-> Enlarge person or colour spray
30:22 <OsterGuard> !throw 1d20+999999 bluff
30:22 <diebot> OsterGuard, bluff: [1d20=10] 1000009
30:27 <OsterGuard> "I'm starving!"
30:33 <OsterGuard> "I swear"
30:36 <OsterGuard> It was released about an hour ago
30:36 <Spaceshot> heh
30:36 <Brunius> tpb
30:36 <Brunius> Spaceshot: Ask the neighbours for one and string a LOOONG ethernet cable over there :P
30:36 <Spaceshot> XD
30:36 <OsterGuard> haha
30:36 <Spaceshot> my neighbours are the dental hospital and some office building
30:58 * Mort- throws osterguard one of her cookies
31:06 <Hydrazine> How is she with pecan?
31:06 <OsterGuard> "I'll die if I do t get pie!"
31:31 <OsterGuard>  "I said pie damnit!"
31:36 <Mort-> I don't have pie :(
31:51 <OsterGuard>  /me noms cookie anyway
31:59 <Mort-> Hydra. Enlarge person or colour spray
32:01 <Mort-> :p
32:08 * OsterGuard lets lug
32:24 <Mort-> Ok oster
32:24 <OsterGuard> haha
32:24 <OsterGuard> yes Mort?
32:24 <Mort-> Urm. Probably on sat and Sunday
32:24 <Mort-> You'll meet khaz.
32:24 <Brunius> Pay the office building
32:24 <Brunius> They will probably do it
32:24 <Mort-> He is your tank for the day.
32:24 <Mort-> ><
32:24 <Spaceshot> meh, I'm not really sure what the other building is, was just thinking office
32:24 <Mort-> Aka you have a wizard persona trying to play a tank :p
32:26 * OsterGuard lets out a deep contented sigh
32:30 <Mort-> How good do you feel about dodging a dc 14 colour spray
32:58 <Hydrazine> !thow 1d20+5
33:02 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d20+5
33:03 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d20+5: [1d20=3] 8
33:09 <Hydrazine> Badly with a 3.
33:29 <Hydrazine> Delay until I get out the way?
34:20 <Spaceshot> OsterGuard: do you know anything about 4G wireless router boxes?
34:20 <OsterGuard> nope
34:20 <OsterGuard> why?
34:20 <Spaceshot> because mine is getting shit speeds
34:28 <Steven> !1d20+5 Will save
34:36 <Steven> !throw 1d20+5 Will save
34:36 <diebot> Steven, Will save: [1d20=2] 7
34:43 <Steven> i dont feel too good about it either
34:57 <Steven> but its okay cause im greater then level 5
35:30 <Mort-> Your grappling
35:50 <Mort-> Yes i have finer control then most but still.
36:03 <Steven> grappling what?
36:08 <Mort-> He will be
36:08 <OsterGuard> okay
36:08 <OsterGuard> Can't help :/
36:16 <Mort-> Hoku is a grappler
37:32 <Mort-> Maybe i should stick to enlarge person
37:42 <Brunius> Have you tried turning it off and then on again
37:42 <Hydrazine> ^
37:42 <Mort-> If anyone wants to run fs stuff now or slightly later I'm game lol
37:42 <Mort-> To play i mean
37:42 <Brunius> I might run FS1
37:42 <Mort-> Already played on all charactpp
37:42 <Spaceshot> it's 7:30
37:42 <Mort-> I'm not rolling up a new toon
37:42 <Mort-> Lol
38:00 <Hydrazine> For who?
38:14 <Mort-> Khaz ><
38:59 <Spaceshot> can't be picky mort
38:59 <Mort-> 2 and 3 i can play on ranger / sorc form
38:59 <Mort-> 1 I'm not re rolling
38:59 <Brunius> You could play a pregen !
39:24 <OsterGuard__> can someone link me to the rules?
39:49 <Steven> what rules?
39:55 <OsterGuard> pathfinder rules
40:02 <OsterGuard> with the weight and all
40:16 <OsterGuard> I seem to remember a pdf of them
40:18 <OsterGuard> Online
40:27 <Brunius> Who's up for FS3?
40:27 <Mort-> Oh yes. Erzen after i customise his spell book? :d
40:27 <Mort-> Oh but hoku fs 3 :(
40:27 <Mort-> Damn
40:27 <Spaceshot> bashi could be
40:27 <Spaceshot> could be
40:27 <OsterGuard> Jesus.
40:38 <Mort-> What's your strength
40:52 <Mort-> You can go up to medium load
41:12 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rods/metamagic-rods/metamagic-dazing
41:14 <Mort-> Urm
41:19 <Mort-> Wrong page of course
41:23 <Spaceshot> can we metagame it?
41:23 <Mort-> When can you apply a pregen to 
41:23 <Mort-> No
41:23 <Mort-> We have someone new
41:23 <OsterGuard> I'm getting ~20kb/s on my download
41:23 <Mort-> Not allowed
41:23 <Mort-> Lol
41:23 <Spaceshot> OsterGuard: that's fast compared to me
41:23 <Mort-> If oster is playing
41:23 <Brunius> You can apply a pregen as the first sheet on a new character
41:23 <Mort-> I'm not.
41:23 <Mort-> Kendra maybe?
41:24 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/alignment-description/carrying-capacity
41:30 <Mort-> But i was looking at other thing
41:32 <Mort-> S
42:11 <Mort-> Hm
42:11 <Mort-> Sorc needs a run
42:11 <Avatar> I don't have any legal guys for fs3
42:11 <Mort-> Lol
42:11 <Spaceshot> Avatar: that hasn't stopped you before
42:11 <Avatar> my two level 1's have played it
42:11 <Mort-> Kendra did 1 and 2
42:11 <Mort-> Not 3
42:11 <Spaceshot> you've got plenty of character ideas don't you/
42:11 <Avatar> it's never happened before
42:11 <Spaceshot> ?*
42:58 <Avatar> well my last "idea" was a witch focusing on prehensile hair as a weapon, but I couldn't find a build that worked
42:58 <OsterGuard> What are you getting Spaceshot?
42:58 <Spaceshot> a quasi afk barbarian
42:58 <Mort-> He is some kind of hulk
42:58 <OsterGuard> I mean in terms of download
42:58 <Spaceshot> fuck yea
42:58 <OsterGuard> :P
42:58 <Brunius> Well I don't really want to run FS2 again
42:58 <Spaceshot> 17hp at level 1
42:58 <Mort-> No ca for now
42:58 <Avatar> I could run fs2
42:58 <Brunius> But I've run it before, so it might run faster
43:03 <Spaceshot> OsterGuard: 40k isn't that espensive, it just depends on both what army you want to play and where you can get what you need/want
43:36 <Spaceshot> BALLS DEEP BRO
43:36 <Spaceshot> I could run anyway
43:36 <Spaceshot> any*
43:36 <Mort-> Ill bring my sorc out
43:36 <Mort-> I think
43:36 <Spaceshot> but I want to head to head that croc :P
43:36 <Mort-> Damn I'm rusty with her
43:36 <Mort-> Feel free. I'm miles away
43:49 <OsterGuard> But it's like $70 for a box of 12 guys
43:57 <Tashes> AVATAR
44:01 <Spaceshot> like if you want to play full comp with the ability to play 2k tournaments (I think there's 1 or 2 in australia that is 2k) with imperial guard, then yea you'll be forking out a grand or more
44:12 <Mort-> How many magic missiles can i throw out i wonder
44:12 <Mort-> Can you evoke something down to the ground?
44:12 * Mort- ponders
44:19 <Tashes> don't make me rage-ping you again!
44:19 <OsterGuard> my strength is 13
44:24 <Hydrazine> 1k to play a game doesn't strke you as expensive?
44:37 <Spaceshot> it can
45:00 <Steven> considering my magic collection is worth like 3k
45:04 <Tashes> AAAAVATAAARRRRR RRRGHH
45:04 <Avatar> what are you on about
45:04 <Mort-> And where's my mage armor
45:04 <Spaceshot> need to work out my level 1 feat and my archetype
45:04 <Spaceshot> and my 2 skill points :P
45:13 <Spaceshot> Steven: worth or you spent that much money on it?
45:17 <Mort-> 13 strength
45:20 <Steven> 1k aint bad
45:27 <Steven> worth
45:30 <Spaceshot> ahh
45:32 <Mort-> Don't exceed 100 pounds!
46:05 <OsterGuard> Okay then
46:06 <Spaceshot> anywho, if you want to just play small games with a cheap army, you can get 1k points for about $150-$250
46:07 <OsterGuard> :)
46:09 <Spaceshot> if you shop thrifty
46:10 <Hydrazine> scalemail and a heavy wooden shield is 40 total.
46:11 <Steven> ive prolly spent like 2.5k on it.... up trades and lucky pulls ftw
46:20 <Hydrazine> still got 60 to go, and thats the heaviest stuff.
46:25 <Spaceshot> can't play true primative and wild rager
46:35 <Tashes> avatar avatar avatar the world is collapsing and i need yoru help!
46:40 <OsterGuard> what's scale mail's weight?
46:42 <Spaceshot> need to find new archetype to work with true primative
46:46 <Spaceshot> Steven: you don't want to know how much me and my dad (mainly him, but I played too) spent over the 10 years we played
46:49 <Hydrazine> 30lb and 10lb shield
46:55 <OsterGuard> thanks
46:59 <OsterGuard> cost?
47:11 <Mort-> Scale mail is cheap
47:17 <Mort-> Relatively
47:21 <Steven> well, my last year in highschool
47:25 <Steven> i had about 3k cards
47:29 <Spaceshot> haha
47:35 <Steven> of really good stuff
47:43 <Spaceshot> nice
47:53 <Mort-> Wow 2 level 1 spells from bonus stat
47:53 <Mort-> Interesting
47:54 <Steven> prolly worth around.... 4-5k
47:59 <Spaceshot> I think we spent roughly 10-20k over the years
48:07 <Steven> soooooo many of the good dual lands
48:15 <OsterGuard> I'm at 81lb
48:16 <OsterGuard> D:
48:27 <Mort-> 50 gp for scale mail
48:32 <Mort-> If you bring a sling
48:44 <Mort-> Don't forget the bullets!
48:52 <Steven> and then my dad burned them cause one of his friends told him they were devil worshiping cards
48:57 <Spaceshot> a shit ton from invasion block through onslaught, then slow from mirrodin through timespiral block
48:59 <Spaceshot> lol 20 cha
48:59 <Spaceshot> minmaxer
48:59 * Mort- shrugs
48:59 <Mort-> Even my first
48:59 <Mort-> My wizard
48:59 <Mort-> Has stats more or less in the right place
49:00 <OsterGuard> I remembered bullets :)
49:00 <Spaceshot> HAHAHAHAHA
49:09 <Spaceshot> good ol' american stupidity
49:23 <Steven> nah, its not limited to America
49:28 <Mort-> Hydrazine
49:31 <Steven> its just stupidity
49:42 <Hydrazine> ?
49:43 <Mort-> Does hoku have range weapons?
49:43 <OsterGuard> Soooo
49:47 <Spaceshot> sorry, good ol' american religious stupidity
49:54 <Spaceshot> better?
49:55 <OsterGuard> before I say anything, is anyone religious?
50:01 <Spaceshot> I think mort is somewhat
50:02 <Mort-> Me?
50:03 <Steven> yeah
50:04 <Mort-> Not really
50:16 <Spaceshot> you are because your family is right? but you don't care yourself
50:19 <Hydrazine> He actually does carry a crossbow.
50:21 <Hydrazine> Just in case.
50:22 <OsterGuard> hmmm
50:32 <Mort-> My religion tells me do onto others what you want done onto you
50:35 <Steven> no, im religious, i just dont shove it down peoples throats
50:40 <Mort-> And above all. Do no harm.
50:40 <Spaceshot> heh
50:43 <OsterGuard> You won't be offended if I say religious stupidity then?
51:04 <Spaceshot> Steven: so am I, but I don't think you'd count pastaferism
51:04 * Mort- shrugs indifferently
51:14 <Spaceshot> or is it pastafanerism
51:24 <Spaceshot> keep mixing it up
51:34 <OsterGuard> II think it's pastafarianism
51:41 <Spaceshot> that's it
51:55 <Spaceshot> at least that sounds more right
51:55 <Steven> i gotta go look that up, i never heard of it
52:08 <Hydrazine> I have some Rastafarian family.
52:09 <Mort-> Problem is i can't remember how to play her
52:09 <Mort-> Sort of
52:09 <Mort-> Never mind. Just think wizard
52:09 <Mort-> Ill be all right
52:09 <Mort-> Your ac is going to kill you though
52:09 <Mort-> Note: oster
52:11 <OsterGuard> It's a joke religion
52:15 <OsterGuard> :)
52:17 <Spaceshot> it is not a joke
52:26 <Spaceshot> it's thuper stherious
52:29 <OsterGuard> oops.
52:31 <Spaceshot> XD
52:31 <Steven> its no wierder then some of the other things ive heard of
52:35 <OsterGuard> sorry, that was a typo
52:50 <Spaceshot> you shall get touched by his noodlily apendage
53:05 <OsterGuard> I meant "n amazing" not "joke"
53:10 <Spaceshot> better
53:14 <Hydrazine> When I was in the service..
53:22 <Hydrazine> They put a few things on your dog tags.
53:32 <Hydrazine> Name, serial number, blood type and religion.
53:39 <Spaceshot> haha religion
53:43 <Hydrazine> A few guys in my unit had Jedi as their religion.
53:46 <OsterGuard> nice
53:49 <Spaceshot> I guess that makes sense to the properly religious
53:53 <Spaceshot> sweet
53:56 <Spaceshot> good men
53:56 <Hydrazine> Well, yeah.
54:06 <Mort-> Osterguard
54:06 <OsterGuard> yes?
54:06 <OsterGuard> mine?
54:06 <Mort-> Kendra isn't nice
54:06 <Mort-> No talking about space shot
54:06 <OsterGuard> who's Kendra now?
54:06 <Mort-> Yours is fine
54:06 <Mort-> One of my characters with an attitude problem
54:06 <OsterGuard> why did you say my name then?
54:06 <Mort-> To put it simply :p
54:06 <OsterGuard> Oh, sweet
54:29 <Spaceshot> unfortunately I don't think they're going to get their corpses burnt to dust whilst hovering
54:39 <Spaceshot> (IIRC from ep1)
54:44 <Hydrazine> If someone's about to die, you want to know if you're supposed to say they're going to heaven or reincarnation or what.
54:58 <Hydrazine> And blood type, that one's useful.
54:59 <Mort-> Lol jedi
55:02 <Mort-> If we play a game
55:02 <Mort-> Don't say i didn't warn you :p
55:02 <OsterGuard> Am I going to be severely outclassed on saturday?
55:02 <Mort-> No
55:02 <OsterGuard> cool
55:02 <Mort-> Hoku is level 1
55:02 <Mort-> Khaz is level 2
55:02 <OsterGuard> Can I pick on him? :D
55:02 <Mort-> You don't want to annoy hoku
55:02 <OsterGuard> And be a douche to anyone around my level?
55:02 <Mort-> Heck even khaz wouldn't
55:11 <Hydrazine> Why do you waste all your mana?
55:21 <Spaceshot> their midclorians (so don't know how to spell it) are going to be re-injected into others to create more jedi
55:33 <OsterGuard> :D
55:33 <Mort-> With good reason
55:33 <OsterGuard> Who's Khaz?
55:33 <Mort-> My magus
55:33 <Mort-> Another of my forms
55:35 <OsterGuard> midichlorians? 
55:38 <Spaceshot> that one
55:40 <Hydrazine> Is that how Jedi reproduce?
55:44 <Mort-> The jedi code is loosely based on
55:46 <OsterGuard> I am the spelling master
55:50 <Mort-> Bushido
55:56 <OsterGuard> like a jedi master, but worse
56:05 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: that's what fuels jedi powers
56:08 <Hydrazine> Have you seen the droids I'm looking for?
56:12 <Mort-> A lot to learn you have young padawan
56:19 <Steven> okay back
56:20 <Spaceshot> little micro tape worms of jedi powers
56:23 <OsterGuard> and no, midichlorians are sentient, and appear in whoever they want
56:27 * Mort- pets osterguards head
56:34 <OsterGuard> :3
56:36 <Mort-> Actually its genetically inherited
56:37 <Mort-> Too
56:39 <Spaceshot> micro tape worms
56:52 <Mort-> Sweetest of my forms is ol mort the wizard
56:52 <OsterGuard> okay
56:52 <Spaceshot> depends
56:52 <Mort-> Who is level 6
56:52 <Spaceshot> I could bring Bashi, Thwang (don't really want to) or Ava
56:52 <Spaceshot> Bashi minmaxed barbarian HP tank
56:52 <Spaceshot> and Ava level 3 healbot
56:52 <Mort-> Not for fs3
56:52 <Mort-> Talking about today
56:52 <Spaceshot> sat is pirate something
56:56 <Mort-> Ask anakin skywalker
57:07 <Hydrazine> Man you guys are so much more star wars pro than me.
57:10 <Spaceshot> they aren't genetic
57:24 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: I know most of my trivia from webcomics
57:25 <Mort-> 2 force sensitive parents = a super force sensitive kid
57:27 <Mort-> It is
57:29 <Spaceshot> more than I do from actually caring
57:32 <Mort-> To some extent
57:46 <Spaceshot> so midiclorians is like HIV/AIDS?
58:08 <Mort-> I don't know how they can be found
58:30 <Spaceshot> oh, today I'll probs use Bashi
58:30 <Mort-> Suit yourself
58:30 <Mort-> Mort is sweet
58:30 <Mort-> Really
58:30 <OsterGuard> I'll decide that for myself.
58:30 <OsterGuard> :P
58:30 <Mort-> You'll probably not see her
58:30 <OsterGuard> D:
58:30 <Mort-> Too much level gap
58:30 <Mort-> 6
58:31 <Mort-> But generally jedi come from at least one side of the parentage being force sensitive
58:38 <Spaceshot> not always
58:43 <Mort-> Not always
58:48 <Mort-> But quite a number do
58:51 <Mort-> Anakin
58:54 <Mort-> Luke
59:06 <Mort-> Leia
59:16 <Spaceshot> it's more from, does that place have a low midiclorian count? if yes, midclorians go there and infect whomever they see
59:31 <Spaceshot> usually babies, young children and whatnot
59:44 <Mort-> My knowlegdge is movie based though
59:58 <Mort-> Wizard - battlefield control specialist
00:05 <Spaceshot> again, my knowledge is webcomic based
00:06 <Mort-> With a couple of star wars novels in them
00:12 <Steven> imo
00:12 <Spaceshot> haven't seen ep 3, and really really don't awnt to
00:12 <Mort-> Jedi apprentice
00:14 <Tashes> avatar doesnt care about the world collapsing
00:19 <Steven> fuck jedis!
00:31 <Hydrazine> Its all about combat medics.
00:32 <Steven> bounty hunters ftw!
00:39 * Hydrazine used to play SW Galaxies.
00:41 * Mort- gives steven a disgusted look
00:50 <Hydrazine> No dude, MCMs were completel OP.
00:53 <Spaceshot> Tashes: why the Avatar hate? (btw, I don't say it's bad or nondeserving, just curious)
00:57 <Mort-> Id probably try to be a jedi knight?
01:02 <Spaceshot> MCM?
01:08 <Hydrazine> Because she wants his attention and isn't getting it.
01:11 <Hydrazine> Master combat medic.
01:12 <Mort-> They have magic !
01:14 <Spaceshot> I've yet to touch a starwars MMO
01:19 <Mort-> Aka force powers!
01:22 <Hydrazine> I did back in.. um. 05?
01:41 <Steven> seriously, bounty hunters so much cooler then jedi
01:48 <Spaceshot> the only star wars games I've played made you be a jedi (dark knight 2, jedi academy 1 and 2, KOTOR 1 and 2)
01:49 <Spaceshot> we doing this today or not? I doubt it since it'll take more than 2 or 3 hrs :P
01:49 <Mort-> Don't over do it
01:49 <Mort-> Space - restrain yourself
01:49 <Mort-> Yes you did this before
01:49 <Spaceshot> ??
01:49 <Spaceshot> I'm not confused
01:49 <Mort-> Don't rush
01:54 * Mort- feels bad
02:09 <Mort-> Actually i don't play star wars games
02:10 <Hydrazine> SWG, Jedi were a special class you had to unlock.
02:10 <Spaceshot> Mort-: jedi's are psions and psionic warriors
02:14 <Spaceshot> they aren't magic
02:20 <Mort-> But i think it would be cool to be a jedi
02:29 <Mort-> I wanted jedi mind tricks!
02:33 <Spaceshot> and dark jedi are wilders
02:36 <Mort-> Give me all your cookies!
03:39 <Spaceshot> Avatar: I'll make a jedi class to be a cross between 3.5 samurai (for the special chosen weapon) and psion/psychic warrior
03:41 <Mort-> The fun is in the journey
03:41 <Mort-> Not the destination
04:37 <Mort-> No!
04:38 <Avatar> nope
04:42 <Spaceshot> you sure?
04:47 <Mort-> They are kensai ^^
04:47 <Spaceshot> that's what a jedi is though
04:51 <Tashes> AVATAR
04:53 <Avatar> certain
05:08 <Spaceshot> Mort-: jedi aren't arcane or divine, they are psionic
05:15 <Tashes> AVATAR THE WORLD IS COLLAPSING AND I DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP
05:20 * Mort- wails
05:27 <Spaceshot> what did you do tashes?
05:27 <Mort-> Why must it be him
05:31 <Mort-> Why can't we help
05:45 <Tashes> Drawfree won't let me start a game with you Avatar :(
05:48 <Steven> i personally think Jedi's are Tricksters... its all smoke, mirrors, and mind controlling drugs
06:03 <Spaceshot> they are mindbender psions with samurai in them
06:04 <Mort-> They don't use mind controlling drugs
06:30 <Steven> thats what jedis want you to think mort
07:05 <Mort-> Well your light saber is a brilliant energy blade
07:14 <Mort-> Guess who is the only one who can do it?
07:25 <Mort-> You have force punch to use as force powers
07:37 <Mort-> Force hook charge to bounce to your enemies
07:45 <Avatar> Tashes: what
07:54 <Avatar> username virtueavatar
07:56 <Avatar> it will work
08:10 <Mort-> Expeditious retreat and jump to do acrobatics with
14:02 <Mekkis> ilogeπ = 1.14472989i
16:29 <Steven> force sense would be detect thoughts
16:53 <Mort-> Ya i didnt get the thought s part
17:13 <Mort-> But the combative aspects i think kensai can do it
17:58 <Mort-> If you want to talk about force senses
18:13 <Mort-> Try unerring weapon and tactical acumen
18:24 <Mort-> High sense motive skills
19:25 <Avatar> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2040314005/random-dungeon-generator-as-a-dungeon-map
19:38 <Avatar> this has some pretty nice rewards for whatever you pledge
19:55 <Mort-> I tell you. Brilliant energy!
23:38 <Avatar> Tashes: did you get it
23:51 <Avatar> I don't see a game from you
24:28 <Avatar> oh wait there it is
25:34 <Spaceshot> wow 
25:40 <Spaceshot> i hate tech support
26:05 <Steven> everyone does
26:12 <Spaceshot> they think everyone is a braid dead monkey
27:11 <Tashes> i did. I drew you a goldfish.
27:21 <Avatar> DON'T TELL
27:35 <Tashes> :p
46:52 <***> Buffer Playback...
46:52 <***> Playback Complete.
47:59 <Spaceshot> yea, never good with sciences besides physics
48:30 <War_Wrecker> ALL THE SCIENCE
48:41 <War_Wrecker> They tie in to each other and reinforce one another
49:14 <War_Wrecker> Electrons make more sense if you understand magnetism
49:24 <War_Wrecker> And vice versa
49:39 <Spaceshot> PHYSICS DON'T NEED SHIT
49:51 <War_Wrecker> That's what all physicists say
50:07 <Spaceshot> no, that's what physics programmers say :P
51:33 <Spaceshot> well at least I'm saying that, and hoping that :P
54:01 <Brunius> Bio just doesn't grab me
54:09 <Brunius> I'm interested in Physics, and good at Chemistry
54:13 <Brunius> But Bio never grabbed me
55:24 <Spaceshot> I love bio, but only for game sake
58:35 <Spaceshot> so yea, someone who knows science will be useful for game makin
00:08 <Brunius> One of my friends wants to become an arcitect
00:16 <Brunius> I will get him to draw up buildings for your games
00:17 <Brunius> :P
00:38 <Spaceshot> no... no
00:46 <Spaceshot> we all saw how the recent red faction went
01:06 <Brunius> I didn't, do share
01:25 <Spaceshot> too many architects and physicians, too little gameplay :P
02:25 <Mort-> Technically we should go and hand oster the hat
03:40 <Spaceshot> but yea, I need to get my connections and shit
04:09 <Mort-> So everyone ready? Or not
04:09 <Brunius> No magic missile?
04:11 <Brunius> Whaat?
04:12 <War_Wrecker> If you want
04:17 <War_Wrecker> Starting working on a game nowish
04:21 <Mort-> Sorry haha
04:24 <Spaceshot> have been
04:25 <Spaceshot> :P
04:26 <War_Wrecker> In fact I have an abandoned project still somewhere
04:28 <Mort-> I'm a sorc
04:31 <Spaceshot> haha
04:38 <War_Wrecker> Mostly conceptual, but also lots of little sprites
04:53 <Spaceshot> haha sprites
05:02 <War_Wrecker> :P
05:43 <Spaceshot> I'm using vector based modulised graphics
05:52 <Spaceshot> haven't implemented it yet, but still
06:11 <Spaceshot> I'm currently working on it for AIE, but I'll be continuing on it till it's done then some
07:10 <Mort-> Anyway I'm ready any time
07:16 <Mort-> Just no ca and skype
07:29 <Mort-> Its ok i memorized most of the stuff by heart anyway
07:59 <Brunius> What is your CMD against grapple checks
08:12 <Mort-> Mine ?
08:12 <Mort-> 13
08:17 <Mort-> Will get grappled
08:31 <Mort-> Talking about scenario
08:42 <Spaceshot> mine? I think 14
08:53 <Spaceshot> how does a level 1 sorc have 13?
09:20 <Brunius> 10+dex+str
09:25 <Brunius> It isn't so impossible
09:36 <Brunius> If you were going for ranged touch attacks, or just wanted a good AC
09:40 <Brunius> You'd have dex
09:46 <Mort-> I have 16 dex
10:11 <Mort-> Khaz for your info at level 2
10:21 <Mort-> Has 18 for cmd
10:39 <Spaceshot> yea but he's a magus who has fuck all con XD
10:51 <Mort-> 13 con
10:53 <Mort-> Actually
10:55 <Spaceshot> I've got 14, 1 BAB, +5 str, -1dex
10:55 <Spaceshot> XD
11:10 <Mort-> 14 dex 18 str 16 int
11:13 <Spaceshot> basically think something like a 2d diablo crossed with a tekken/doa/streetfighter/double dragon combat
11:17 <Spaceshot> with luls :P
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12:09 <Brunius> Whaaat
12:23 <Brunius> Ah, more sense it makes
14:03 <Spaceshot> yea 7cha 7wis :P
14:40 <Spaceshot> like I could go 16str 20con and get more stats
15:37 <Spaceshot> brunius, you going all day sunday?
16:01 <Mort-> Yeah correct
16:03 <Brunius> Yeah
16:09 <Mort-> I did pay my price
16:10 <Brunius> And two of my friends from school are :S
16:23 <Mort-> Are you starting now?
16:29 <Mort-> Space and oster ready?
16:36 <Spaceshot> nope
16:36 <Spaceshot> :P
16:44 <Mort-> Slow poke :p
18:09 <Spaceshot> playing hon
18:15 <Spaceshot> and rolling faces
18:23 <Mort-> Great
18:33 <Mort-> You were the one who said you were up for it
18:34 <Spaceshot> heh
18:43 <Mort-> Then now you get distracted
19:25 <OsterGuard> what's on sunday?
19:36 <Mort-> Don't know
19:40 <Brunius> There's a convention in Melbourne this sunday
19:41 <Avatar> OsterGuard: go to www.pfrpg.com.au and cilck Schedule
20:10 <Mort-> We could be running fs3 right now except wonderful space
20:10 <Mort-> Is busy gathering moonbeams
22:28 <Mort-> Aka spaceshot
22:52 <OsterGuard> hmmmmm
23:02 <Spaceshot> Brunius: are you really going to run a session now?
23:05 <OsterGuard> Just wondering if I can make saturday
23:18 <OsterGuard> definitely sunday
23:45 <Mort-> Lol
23:47 <Mort-> I can play now I'm out of work
24:01 <Mort-> Just no ca for a bit
24:09 <Mort-> Running home for it heh
24:18 <OsterGuard> That reminds me. I need a CA for mac
24:21 <OsterGuard> and PC
24:30 <Mort-> Try get ca working
24:40 <Mort-> I don't know if it works on mac
24:45 <Mort-> It works on windows
25:36 <Mort-> If you're not around on sat we may not play if not a minimum of 3 people
25:44 <Mort-> Just fyi
25:56 <Mort-> Not sure if anyone else will show though
26:21 <Spaceshot> Brunius: are you going to be running a game now
26:26 <Spaceshot> I would like an answer XD
26:31 <Mort-> Ask him
26:36 <Spaceshot> I am
26:47 <Mort-> Brunius
26:56 <Brunius> waas
27:09 <Mort-> So you running now?
27:17 <Mort-> I'm headed home full speed ahead!
27:31 <Brunius> Too late now
27:36 <OsterGuard> Name of the CA?
27:48 <Brunius> I was offering to DM based on starting half an hour ago
27:48 <Mort-> Aw
28:26 <Mort-> Damn
28:26 <Mort-> Download it from balligs site
28:26 <Mort-> I was ready :(
28:26 <Mort-> Blame spaceshot :d
29:04 <Mort-> Osterguard you want the 352 unstable version
29:29 <OsterGuard> Why the unstable version?
29:42 <Mort-> Because its the one we all use
29:56 <OsterGuard> okay
29:56 <Mort-> I guess bru won't be running it tonight :(
30:01 <Mort-> Too late already
30:02 <OsterGuard> Ooh, ubuntu
30:08 <Mort-> Its 6 pm here
30:08 <OsterGuard> That may work on mac
30:13 <OsterGuard> if it's .jar
30:21 <Mort-> Ooo!
30:44 <Brunius> it's c I think
31:40 <OsterGuard> hmmm
31:53 <OsterGuard> maybe I can run it via third party programs
32:13 <Mort-> Will you run at this time tomorow?
32:14 <Mort-> Or earlier?
32:17 <Mort-> I  can't ca at work
33:11 <OsterGuard> Oh, right, I can run it via terminal :D
33:22 <Mort-> Are you a geek?
33:31 * Mort- stares at oster guard
34:17 <OsterGuard> A little bit :)
34:22 <Mort-> I see
34:25 <OsterGuard> is that a bad thing?
34:26 <Mort-> I no geek
34:45 <Mort-> My geek quotient =0
34:49 <OsterGuard> D:
34:50 <Brunius> lies
34:55 <OsterGuard> I'll have to convert you then.
35:56 <OsterGuard> But you play pathfinder!
36:02 <OsterGuard> How can you not be a geek?
36:03 <Mort-> :(
36:13 * Mort- fluffs oster
36:14 <Spaceshot> heh
36:27 <Mort-> I have no inclination for programgmg
36:28 <Mort-> Never mind
36:33 <Mort-> Can tell him when he gets back
36:40 <Spaceshot> what? programming is for pros
36:45 <Spaceshot> also, that reminds me
37:05 <Spaceshot> Brunius: what skills do you have/what are you wanting to do when you finish high school?
39:37 <Mort-> Hello
39:58 <OsterGuard> I gotta go now guys
40:01 <OsterGuard>  :(
40:03 <Spaceshot> heh
40:05 <Spaceshot> have fun
40:07 <OsterGuard> I will
40:15 <OsterGuard> >:)
40:19 <OsterGuard> >:(
40:22 <Mort-> I said i have no inclination for programing
40:24 <OsterGuard> >:P
40:40 <OsterGuard> I don't know what 
40:43 <OsterGuard> I ]
40:45 <OsterGuard> am
40:46 <OsterGuard> doing
40:51 <OsterGuard> kthxbi
41:16 <Brunius> Engineering is the career path I'm aiming for
41:59 <Spaceshot> what form
42:11 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing electronic as in robotic
42:50 <Brunius> Likely mechatronics or civil
42:54 <Brunius> Maybe software
43:08 <Spaceshot> civil? ewww
43:10 <Spaceshot> XD
43:19 <Spaceshot> mechatronics is reasonable
43:35 <Spaceshot> you are of to use to me
43:37 <Spaceshot> XD
43:53 <Brunius> You're rather condescending
44:06 <Spaceshot> I'm more of comparing civil to your other choices
44:11 <Spaceshot> and saying civil is the odd one out
45:04 <Spaceshot> and what do you mean condescending by those statements? or do you mean in general?
45:47 <Brunius> in general
46:15 <Spaceshot> ahh
46:19 <Spaceshot> yea I can seem like that
47:02 <Spaceshot> but I mean it, you are a god connection if that is your desired goal
47:27 <Brunius> I am rather godlike, aren't I?
47:28 <Brunius> :P
48:06 <Spaceshot> quite
52:27 <Spaceshot> need to find an artist who will stick to one company only
57:02 <Spaceshot> I should probably ask what War_Wrecker does
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14:02 <mastsails> must sell! alienware m17x R3 for $800, asus g74sx-rh71 for $800, Macbook pro 17" for $1000. All prices include shipping anywhere! email me at [email protected] or message me for more info
14:23 <Mort-> Ballig!
15:21 <mastsails> must sell! alienware m17x R3 for $800, asus g74sx-rh71 for $800, Macbook pro 17" for $1000. All prices include shipping anywhere! email me at [email protected] or message me for more info
15:30 <Spaceshot> he'll be banned soon enough
15:31 <Ballig> `ban mastsails
15:42 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: what are you studying?
15:47 <Mort-> Thx
15:56 <War_Wrecker> Bachelor of Science, studying all the sciences
16:03 <War_Wrecker> Majors are for chumps
16:08 <Spaceshot> haha
16:13 <Spaceshot> physics by any chance?
16:21 <War_Wrecker> Physics Chemistry and Biology
16:23 <Ballig> I majored in chumpology
16:33 <Spaceshot> and now he works for the government
16:40 <Spaceshot> clearly you're making the most of your major
16:42 <Ballig> it was the perfect plan
17:07 <Brunius> Ha
17:43 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow why do you ask?
17:46 <Spaceshot> hmm... you are also of some use to me War_Wrecker
17:48 <Brunius> Maybe I should major in chumpology
17:52 <Spaceshot> oh just getting connections
17:58 <War_Wrecker> All the connections
18:00 <Spaceshot> game making/development/that stuff
18:04 <Ballig> he's always wondering how he can mooch off people
18:04 <Ballig> :p
18:05 <Spaceshot> requires more than just a programmer
18:08 <War_Wrecker> Ah of course
18:14 <Spaceshot> mooch is such a harsh word
18:15 <War_Wrecker> You want some "realism"
18:19 <Spaceshot> think more of it as scam :P
18:20 <War_Wrecker> Fun fact; Realism is boring
18:28 <Brunius> ^
18:32 <War_Wrecker> To pass off bogus science, all you have to do is NOT explain it
18:43 <Brunius> Throw in some warp trickery
18:44 <War_Wrecker> The moment you explain it (and it's dead wrong) you ruin it forever
18:45 <Brunius> and it's all fine
19:09 <War_Wrecker> For instance john carter of mars
19:15 <War_Wrecker> Problem: He can jump really high
19:24 <Ballig> you just have to watch Doctor Who
19:28 <War_Wrecker> Answer: Because Mars has lower gravity
19:30 <Ballig> to see how to do bogus science
19:48 <War_Wrecker> FLAW: Mars has lower gravity than Earth, but not that much lower
20:11 <War_Wrecker> They explained the physics behind it
20:15 <Spaceshot> mars has about 7.5~ constant gravity
20:27 <War_Wrecker> 7.5m/s/s?
20:31 <Spaceshot> I think so
20:34 <Spaceshot> something like that
20:38 <War_Wrecker> Yeah that sounds about right
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20:42 <Spaceshot> moon is like 3-5
20:45 <Spaceshot> don't remember exactly
20:49 <War_Wrecker> That gravity won't let someone jump 100s of feet in the air
20:49 <Spaceshot> I think 4.2
20:59 <War_Wrecker> Spoiler: John Carter of Mars jumps really high.
21:02 <Spaceshot> not without propulsion based help
21:11 <Brunius> 4.2 doesn't sound right
21:22 <Brunius> Earth's is 9.8
21:26 <Brunius> So what's 1/6 of that?
21:32 <Spaceshot> about 4.2
21:38 <Brunius> That's about half
21:42 <Spaceshot> because gravity is exponential
21:55 <War_Wrecker> If it can be conceivably explained by technology we don't understand, leave it so
22:00 <Spaceshot> XD
22:17 <War_Wrecker> If it can be conceivably explained by technology YOU don't understand, check to make sure that it still works
22:28 <Spaceshot> wow I'm so off
22:55 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow I've got to write about 1000 words in less than 2.5 hours
22:57 <Spaceshot> wikipedia says 3.711ms/s
23:05 <War_Wrecker> It's only 2% of my final mark
23:06 <Spaceshot> for mars
23:46 <Brunius> The gravitational acceleration on the surface of the Moon is 1.63 m/s2
23:49 <Brunius> Not 4.2
24:30 <Spaceshot> I knew I'd be off on the moon
24:38 <Spaceshot> but mars that low? really?
25:31 <War_Wrecker> heh I havent even picked an essay topic
25:45 <War_Wrecker> OH
25:47 <War_Wrecker> JACK POT
25:55 <Brunius> Jack smoking pot?
26:03 <War_Wrecker> "discuss the ethical and social implications of genetic screening."
26:19 <Brunius> Ick, discuss
26:25 <Brunius> Totally doing english language
27:04 <Spaceshot> haha
27:24 <Spaceshot> I'm I'm not a big fan of chemistry or biology (not sure which one it is)
27:35 <Spaceshot> I'm going with bio
29:37 <Brunius> That looks like bio to me
30:07 <OsterGuard> hello?
30:43 <War_Wrecker> Yeah it's bio
31:36 <Hydrazine> yo
43:04 <OsterGuard> i'm back
43:38 <Hydrazine> Back again?
43:59 <OsterGuard> shady's back
44:04 <OsterGuard> tell a friend.
44:28 <Hydrazine> Precisely.
57:12 <Mort-> Wuh
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