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44:08 <Avatar> I really don't know about taking spell penetration
44:59 <Avatar> I don't even know why
45:01 <Avatar> something about it bothers me
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10:32 <foxtrotter> hey, is the We Be Goblins game one where we are actually goblins? do we need to create a separate character?
11:25 <Avatar> nope
11:28 <Avatar> you get a pregen goblin 
11:37 <Avatar> it is the one where you are actually goblins, yes
11:39 <foxtrotter> ok
11:43 <foxtrotter> i see
11:43 <Avatar> it's superfun
11:52 <foxtrotter> does the credit apply to an existing character?
13:03 <Avatar> yeah
13:06 <Avatar> level 2 or lower
13:09 <foxtrotter> ok
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15:00 <Duhz> Hi.
15:48 <Avatar> yo
15:52 <Duhz> Who's on LoL?
15:54 <Avatar> what's LoL
15:59 <foxtrotter> I am , just looking at my Chronicle
16:00 <Duhz> League of Legends.
16:12 <foxtrotter> oh i am not on LoL though
16:21 <Duhz> Gotcha
16:26 <Duhz> Just thought I'd ask
16:41 <Duhz> I'm probably down for We Be Goblins
16:46 <Duhz> It'll be an epic night.
17:36 <Duhz> But yeah, what's everyone up to?
17:43 <Avatar> can you guys do it with your schedules
17:47 <Avatar> it's 1am here
17:50 <Duhz> I'm about to.
17:52 <Duhz> Oh lol.
17:55 <Duhz> Awesome.
18:23 <Duhz> Would you be able to... I dunno, give me some tips on GMing PFS?
18:31 <Duhz> I have to read all the paper work and whatnot beforehand
19:08 <Avatar> have you played PFS before
19:19 <Duhz> Yeah, just once IRL.
19:24 <Avatar> what scenario?
19:41 <Duhz> 3-13, I believe, defenders of something.
20:11 <Duhz> It's got Tengu and villager management to not give too much away
20:35 <Avatar> yeah we did that one just last sunday
21:00 <Duhz> It was higher tier though I hear
21:10 <Avatar> yeah
21:15 <Avatar> it doesn't matter, they obliterated it
21:31 <Duhz> typical adventurers
21:46 <Duhz> What's the boon like for we be goblins...?
21:49 <Duhz> Decent?
24:00 <foxtrotter> why is the PDF not able to upload? I have been getting the error message like 5 times so far
24:05 <foxtrotter> i am using foxit
25:48 <Avatar> the boon is good
25:55 <Avatar> what PDF are you using
25:58 <Avatar> the one on the site?
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45:07 <Avatar> okay, bye !
48:22 <Duhz> lololol
48:25 <Duhz> You use a bunch of premade goblins right
48:41 <Duhz> Does the exp go anywhere?
48:48 <Duhz> I'm not sure how it works
52:45 <Steven> hey guys
53:12 <Steven> so, its important not to hit the snooze button
53:39 <Steven> cause i totaly did that and managed to sleep for... 10 or so hours?
54:01 <Duhz> proskills
54:32 <Steven> yeah sam woke me up this morning and was like hey sleepy head time to go take your step brother to school
55:02 <Steven> usually i only sleep like 5-6 hours
55:10 <Steven> so.... yeah im feelin pretty damn rested
55:41 <Steven> and you're talking about premade goblnis, so im guessing the module "We be goblins!"
02:19 <Duhz> yep
02:30 <Duhz> Sorry I went into Derp Duhz mode.
04:06 <Avatar> Duhz: yeah the exp goes onto any of your characters
04:10 <Avatar> so does the prestige
04:24 <Avatar> and there's no risk of your real character dying
04:27 <Steven> yeah you choose a character and you gets the exp!
04:33 <Avatar> your goblin certainly can 
04:37 <Avatar> but that is of no consequence
04:50 <Avatar> well that's not entirely true
04:54 <Avatar> you have to survive for a reasonable time
05:35 <Avatar> Duhz: best advice to get into GMing PFS, make sure you play a scenario before you GM it
05:44 <Avatar> and make sure you a play few scenarios before you GM anything
05:51 <Steven> yeah, and then read a scenario before you run it
05:52 <Avatar> so you get familiar with how PFS works
05:56 <Steven> even if you've played it
05:59 <Avatar> yep
06:17 <Steven> because theres no excuse to run a scenario the same as your gm, because he might not have done it right
06:28 <Avatar> yeah and they often don't
06:34 <Avatar> we're no exception in here
07:12 <Steven> and the biggest thing is make sure you know the abilities and how they work for any monsters you're scenario runs
08:27 <Duhz> alright
08:30 <Duhz> That's awesome
08:41 <Duhz> I also went next door and got my bud to do some PFS
08:44 <Steven> theres nothing like a GM saying he uses Facinate everyone int he party make a will save and then 5 rounds later somebody looks up facinate and terns out the bard can only facinate 4 people max not 8
08:55 <Duhz> Lol
09:01 <Duhz> we all have done that kind of shit before I think
09:24 <Duhz> Is there room for the FS game?
09:42 <Steven> yeah, but thats no excuse for it.  its your job to make sure you run the NPCs correctly, otherwise you'll have to change your name to bobby!
09:50 <Steven> lol
09:52 <Duhz> Right.
10:10 <Steven> when i gm if i find a mistake ive made
10:15 <Steven> and its hurt the party
10:29 <Steven> i wont admit to it, but all of a sudden the NPC will do something stupid
10:32 <Steven> or subpar
10:42 <Steven> so you even it out
10:50 <Steven> and then after the game ill be like yeah sorry about that guys
10:53 <Steven> i messed up
11:31 <Steven> cause otherwise you get people who are like, well lets start over rah rah rah
11:45 <Duhz> Right
11:51 <Duhz> That makes sense
12:52 <Steven> but yeah DMing is fun
13:14 <Duhz> Oh I know, been doing it forever.
13:19 <Duhz> But being official is diff.
13:35 <Steven> I was dming a table for my friends
13:41 <Steven> josh, brandon, john and joe
13:47 <Steven> and the first three very chill
13:51 <Steven> very relaxed
14:01 <Steven> joe... complete spaz
14:04 <Steven> and pouter
14:20 <Steven> high energy high stupid factor until you punish his character for being dumb
14:35 <Steven> like a mage who took shocking grasp
14:40 <Steven> no biggie
14:49 <Duhz> Let me SHAKE YOUR HAND
14:56 <Steven> but a big problem when he rolls a nat 20 on initiative
15:00 <Duhz> Shocking Grasp is OP for Magus.
15:05 <Duhz> Yeah
15:07 <Steven> goes first in battle
15:15 <Steven> runs up to the boss
15:21 <Steven> shocking grasps it
15:34 <Steven> so the boss is like.... oh look dinner
15:38 <Steven> and one shots him
15:55 <Steven> and so he pouted for the next 35 minutes
16:22 <Steven> and its like well no shit you got killed you just went up and shocking grasp'd a Devil
16:36 <Steven> what did yout hink he was gonna do, smile at you?
16:56 <Duhz> Yeah. I would have worked with him, and talked to him about his errors just like you probably did.
17:13 <Steven> yeah, when he was like ill run up to him and shocking grasp him
17:15 <Duhz> If he still would have complained about it I would have told him dnd wasn't for him and told him not to come back.
17:29 <Steven> i seriously looked him dead in the eye and was like joe, you have like 40HP
17:41 <Duhz> lol
17:42 <Steven> brandon was like joe... dont
17:52 <Steven> and joe said no im doin it, im taking this ugly bastard down!
17:59 <Duhz> Oh man.
18:09 <Steven> and he did like 30 damage to it, and then got murdered
18:19 <Steven> not even put to unconcious, he got murdered
18:28 <Duhz> instagibbed.
18:52 <Avatar> see, where I am, it's the middle of the night
18:56 <Avatar> and there's about 4 of you around
19:08 <Avatar> you could easily think about setting up games to run your time
19:19 <Avatar> it won't happen if me, ballig or mekkis try to run it
19:35 <Steven> oh i made a very descriptive speech as to how his body crumpled under the demons overwhelming strength
19:45 <Steven> and then to add some insult to injury
19:46 <Avatar> it just needs one of you to want to GM
19:51 <Steven> when he tried to get rezzed
20:09 <Duhz> Right
20:13 <Duhz> that's what I'm saying
20:20 <Steven> i made him roll a d20 to decide if his friends had done a good enough job scraping up his remains
20:26 <Steven> 10% failure
20:29 <Duhz> If I DM, then I can get the players from this timezone
20:44 <Avatar> yeah that'd be wicked
20:51 <Duhz> You were high enough to ressurect?
20:51 <Duhz> Geez.
20:58 <Duhz> What was this guy doing for like umteen levels?
21:11 <Steven> no rezz=raise dead
21:13 <Avatar> if you're running a scenario I've already run, I'll give you the maps and wall of texts you'll need
21:28 <Avatar> you'll need to buy the scenario yourself of course
21:36 <Avatar> the first steps ones are free
21:39 <Duhz> Right.
21:40 <Avatar> and are a good GM experience
22:02 <Avatar> need level 1 characters for that though
22:15 <Duhz> Right.
22:23 <Duhz> Most people around here seem to have some lying around
22:37 <Avatar> everyone should really have one
22:49 <Duhz> Yeah, but I've straight up told people not to come around, or I've quit campaigns people were dming
22:54 <Avatar> I've got 8 characters now, so I'm kind of loathe to keep making them 
23:08 <Duhz> Just really elitist about that stuff with RL friends.
23:28 <Duhz> Right, I def like to have some favorite
23:28 <Duhz> s
23:39 <Duhz> Not just a mass of characters I make for the occasion
24:09 <Duhz> If you can set me up with the stuff, when I start getting it all down.
24:13 <Duhz> That would be awesome, but it just seems like I need to play some campaigns too
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28:28 <Avatar> quince
28:35 <Avatar> are you here to play
29:14 <Quince> Someday!
29:28 <Quince> Im learning what its all about now.
29:32 <Duhz> He's also not especially bright either.
29:38 <Duhz> Basically braindead.
29:55 <Duhz> He's also my roommate.
30:51 <Quince> So basically nothing Duhz says is true.
30:57 <Quince> accept the last part
31:01 <Quince> excpet?
31:03 <Quince> :P
32:15 <Avatar> haha
32:17 <Avatar> you should play man
32:24 <Steven> i accept that you two are roommates
32:42 <Quince> so yeah. im gonna play. still figuring the programs and such out.
32:54 <Avatar> cool
32:56 <Steven> alright, ill be back in about half an hour, see you guys then
33:01 <Duhz> See yaaa
33:06 <Avatar> make sure you take a read of the getting started page on the site
34:32 <Quince> did that
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42:02 <Duhz> bbl
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19:41 <Steven> alright back
22:31 <Steven> everybody take off while i was goine?
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29:53 <Steven> cant wait for d3
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57:56 <Duhz> so yeah lasers
58:24 <Duhz> REBREGOBRINS
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10:54 <Quince> idk
20:21 <Steven> me either
25:16 <Avatar> forget d3
27:40 <Avatar> quince are you there
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28:16 <Avatar> I guess not
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31:28 <Duhz> yeah he's gotta go to work sorry
31:30 <Duhz> soon*
31:36 <Duhz> I can relay something while he's heading out
32:20 <Quince> here
33:04 <Avatar> Quince: I need your character name
33:16 <Avatar> not for the goblin, for your real character
33:51 <Quince> Adryn
35:46 <Avatar> okay, Adryn is added
35:49 <Avatar> you can upload your sheet
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38:27 <Quince> sounds good. ill do that later. work time. see ya
40:18 <Avatar> gg
42:48 <Duhz> confetti!
46:22 <Avatar> what
49:34 <Duhz> got bored
50:24 <Avatar> get some more roommates to play
50:58 <Avatar> we be goblins is one of the few replayable scenarios
54:58 <Duhz> How so?
23:18 <Duhz> also I just want to run nothing but horror
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49:19 <Steven> man oh man
49:39 <Steven> i wish sams mom would get over this 'cold' she has
49:52 <Steven> 4th day now that sam has gone over to her moms to take car of her
49:57 <Steven> before going to work
01:43 <Hydrazine> yo.
07:50 <Steven> sup sup hydra
08:00 <Hydrazine> dude, had me this wicked garen game yesterday.
08:06 <Hydrazine> solo triplekill. like a baws.
08:54 <Steven> garen game?
09:15 <Hydrazine> playing some LoLs.
09:56 <Steven> oh...
09:59 <Steven> i dont play lol
11:02 <Hydrazine> Anymore?
11:13 <Steven> anymore
11:23 <Steven> i played for like two or three weeks
11:49 <Steven> but i didnt like it, its just dota
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14:06 <Duhz> connection has been real spotty
14:16 <Steven> im thinking
14:19 <Steven> too much prawn
15:15 <Duhz> probs
15:29 <Hydrazine> Howdy.
16:49 <Duhz> howdy\
17:50 <Hydrazine> Trying out lulu.
18:19 <Steven> whos lulu?
18:27 <Hydrazine> Duhz will get it.
18:30 <Duhz> witch bitch
18:34 <Duhz> she's good
18:41 <Hydrazine> saw an AS lulu rock out yesterday.
18:43 <Hydrazine> was like, wtf?
19:06 <Hydrazine> malady and wit's end and so on.
19:45 <Duhz> passive...makes sense
21:34 <Hydrazine> Just didn't know it was so effective.
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27:51 <Hydrazine> What're you up to, Duhz? Radioing today?
34:29 <Duhz> oh haha no
34:44 <Duhz> I'm actually going to bro out with my pal and bang out this campaign for sunday
34:48 <Duhz> We're co-dming it.
35:00 <Duhz> You in a game?
35:02 <Steven> what campaign?
35:10 <Duhz> It's mine, nothing official.
35:19 <Steven> based off of?
35:33 <Duhz> Nothing. It's my persistant world.
35:46 <Duhz> They are traveling to the plane of limbo through
35:50 <Duhz> good times.
36:22 <Steven> i kind of want to set up a saturday down at the local shop where we play kingmaker
36:28 <Duhz> oh fuck
36:32 <Duhz> you're playing that too?
36:45 <Duhz> The same guy I'm hanging out with DMs that for us.
37:04 <Steven> no i want to play it
37:13 <Steven> i played part of it before and it was really fun
37:25 <Duhz> Yeah, it's pretty fun, we're only at this intro part
37:31 <Duhz> Where you explore and stuff
37:39 <Duhz> But we're having a blast blowing stuff up.
37:59 <Duhz> We're a little on the evil side, but we have a TN ranger, and a good cleric to balance us out
39:08 <Duhz> I'm excited for this gob campaign
39:16 <Duhz> Gonna play me some gobchemist
39:21 <Steven> yeah in kingmaker i played a character that tricked the other players into thinking he was a CN player
39:26 <Steven> when really he was a NE character
39:45 <Duhz> Oh, I have no tricks. I'm LE. But I'm pretty fucking reasonable.
39:54 <Duhz> Almost LN, but I don't play any games.
40:01 <Steven> but we did about 4 sessions
40:06 <Duhz> People do what I say, or I blow them to pieces.
40:08 <Steven> and then the GM moved
40:13 <Duhz> That blows.
40:26 <Duhz> Just move up here to PA and throw down with us.
40:27 <Steven> it happens
40:36 <Duhz> We're having a cape party this weekend.
40:53 <Steven> yeah... im sure sam will totaly let me move us so i can have a kingmaker game lol
41:01 <Duhz> Bring sam with.
41:16 <Duhz> And bring capes and beer.
41:17 <Steven> i wouldnt leave her, but im saying thats not gonna happen
41:27 <Duhz> Aw shucks.
41:41 <Steven> cause sam would be like no way, you already play on wednesday, sundays and whenever im working
41:59 <Duhz> Get her to play.
42:02 <Duhz> Problem solved.
42:07 <Steven> everyone says that
42:13 <Duhz> haha that's what I did.
42:16 <Steven> but she is not interested in the slightest
42:19 <Duhz> It works fantastically.
42:23 <Duhz> Hmph.
42:38 <Duhz> Doesn't see have girl stuff she can do.
42:55 <Duhz> Like watch Pretty Little Liars or Gilmore Girls or something.
43:10 <Duhz> General girl party stuff.
43:15 <Steven> nah, shes more of the futurama, anime, walking dead
43:32 <Duhz> Futurama new episodes; they halfway decent?
43:38 <Steven> but doesnt play games
43:39 <Duhz> I don't watch much TV anymore.
43:46 <Steven> hell if i know, i dont watch futurama
43:46 <Duhz> Ah man, that double sucks.
44:00 <Steven> but we watch anime and walking dead
44:06 <Duhz> That's good then.
44:11 <Duhz> My GF doesn'
44:13 <Steven> then she claims the TV and watches chick flick movies
44:21 <Steven> while i play on my laptop
44:23 <Duhz> like english dubs though
44:48 <Duhz> Haha, yeah, well, my girlfriend basically just took my laptop a month ago.
44:50 <Steven> it works as long as i let her cuddle
44:58 <Duhz> Always a success.
46:06 <Duhz> Fuck.
46:15 <Duhz> We have these facebook groups for each campaign
46:31 <Duhz> Where DM's post stuff that's happening like newspaper articles for the campaign
46:34 <Duhz> And cool lore stuff
46:46 <Duhz> And my one dm, who controls the hell of all worlds
46:49 <Duhz> Which I play in.
47:01 <Duhz> Just had a bounty put out on my char's head.
47:06 <Duhz> Which is just greeeaaaat.
47:33 <Duhz> It's cool, cause if your char dies, you can always play in his world.
47:47 <Duhz> It's just a place you don't usually last long in.
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50:18 <Duhz> play dwarf fortress at all?
17:14 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Fri 12pm (Ballig, We Be Goblins) / Fri 6pm (Avatar,new game,1) / Sat 1pm (Brunius, new game 5-9) / Sun 1pm (Avatar,new game 3-7) | ED: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
17:14 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Tue Apr 10 21:21:33 2012
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31:51 <Duhz> Haha
31:52 <Duhz> well
31:53 <Duhz> I might
31:59 <Duhz> I might just pass out
32:11 <Ballig> it'
32:17 <Duhz> But I'm good at not-sleeping during roleplaying
32:18 <Ballig> it's probably not a good idea to risk it if you think there's a serious chance of that
32:37 <Duhz> I've done similar feats while dming
32:48 <Duhz> Which is much more brutal than playing.
32:49 <Ballig> we have had people from other timezones talk big about how they're fine, they can game all night, and then two hours into it say "sorry guys, I have to go to bed"
32:52 <Ballig> it really screws everyone around :p
33:09 <Duhz> Haha. Well. When I sit down at the talk I don't let the party down.
33:12 <Hydrazine> atleast i either play or don't.
33:24 <Hydrazine> I may be really shifty about not accepting invites, but when I play, I play.
33:34 <Ballig> yeah, haven't had any issues from you
33:39 <Ballig> the last person to do it was Nodwik
33:49 <Ballig> he's played with us twice, and both times he has left part way through to go to bed
33:55 <Duhz> Plus I got my roommate to play, and we'll take 5 minutes to beat the shit out of each other to wake up.
34:25 <Duhz> It's happened when we had a long campaign, we play orc battle, while is like sumo with more shaking.
34:53 <Ballig> ha
34:57 <Ballig> is that who Quince is?
35:02 <Duhz> yeah
35:18 <Ballig> is he just playing in the first game and not the second?
35:26 <Hydrazine> Huh.
35:28 <Hydrazine> Cool.
35:39 <Hydrazine> I got my old roommate into D&D.
35:41 <Duhz> I think he wants to do both
35:45 <Duhz> Not sure if there's room
35:47 <Hydrazine> It was really funny watching him grow into it.
36:00 <Duhz> Haha, well, Quince has been playing almost as long as I have.
36:01 <Hydrazine> Because he started thinking of it as just.. get big numbers.
36:20 <Hydrazine> and being really metagamey.
36:27 <Duhz> I think many of my friends did.
36:31 <Hydrazine> And we let it go for a while, him being all new and stuff.
36:46 <Hydrazine> And eventually we really started to ride him on things like characters not having names, or reasons for things.
36:54 <Ballig> Duhz: there's room available in First Steps (the second game)
36:56 <Hydrazine> And he started to really play the game. It was cool.
37:05 <Ballig> and he's already accepted We be Goblins (the first one)
37:07 <Ballig> so it should bef ine
37:10 <Duhz> (I'll say something to him)
37:14 <Hydrazine> He actually DM'd, as like, his first time ever, one of the most memorable sessions I've ever played.
37:22 <Duhz> I love that feeling.
37:43 <Duhz> I've fostered alot of dnd groups, and it makes me feel like the man when they're still playing after I'm gone.
38:02 <Duhz> I've become the butt of alot of jokes because of my style though.
38:02 <Hydrazine> It was one of those games where we all survived by a hair. by the last few die rolls we're all standing up, everyone's yelling..
38:04 <Hydrazine> it was great.
38:12 <Hydrazine> Oh?
38:14 <Duhz> Haha, that's awesome.
38:32 <Hydrazine> And then later on he DM'd a complete disaster.
38:44 <Duhz> That can happen too.
39:04 <Hydrazine> The whole table was so confused and hopeless about the overall plot in general that we unanimously ragequit the game.
39:15 <Duhz> I've never seen that happen.
39:16 <Hydrazine> our characters all decided to sell all our shit and buy plane tickets to Russia.
39:24 <Hydrazine> It was that bad.
39:28 <Duhz> ouch.
39:43 <Duhz> Most of the time, I just see new dms accidently TPK.
39:49 <Hydrazine> Oh no.
39:53 <Duhz> That's been a constant problem.
39:57 <Hydrazine> It was more like..
40:15 <Hydrazine> None of us knew what to do. None of us had any idea how the get out of the problems we were in.
40:27 <Duhz> Ah. :\
40:47 <Hydrazine> All of our efforts seemed meaningless. It was just overwhelming desperation.
40:52 <Duhz> Oh.
40:56 <Duhz> Seems like bad horror.
41:03 <Hydrazine> When he didn't get the point of us flying to russia, the problems followed us there.
41:09 <Hydrazine> Whole group sucked shotgun.
41:10 <Hydrazine> That bad.
41:12 <Duhz> haha
41:49 <Duhz> I'm not very fun to play with when I design what's now called a "Roger Dungeon"
41:54 <Duhz> that being my name.
42:07 <Hydrazine> okay..
42:10 <Hydrazine> So whats the deal?
42:11 <Duhz> It's like the old insta-kill gary gygax ones with all the riddles.
42:11 <Ballig> your name is Dungeon?
42:14 <Ballig> did your parents hate you?
42:26 <Duhz> Oh no, my parents just KNEW man
42:28 <Duhz> they KNEW
42:48 <Duhz> So, I don't really do dungeons much anymore
42:50 <Ballig> "Awww, our little baby boy. Wait, how did he get glasses already? Yeah okay, I know what to call him..."
42:52 <Hydrazine> Mr. Dungeon.
43:02 <Hydrazine> "Did he just say d20?"
43:07 <Duhz> Haha. First words.
43:31 <Duhz> I also have heard, "Rogering a grenade"
43:39 <Duhz> Which is bouncing one back onto your self
43:54 <Hydrazine> Ah.
43:57 <Ballig> that's a better definition than I thought it would be
44:05 <Ballig> maybe it's just Australia, but "rogering" is slang for having sex with
44:08 <Duhz> Right
44:15 <Duhz> I've heard that now that I think about it.
44:32 <Duhz> There's also "Rogering" someone's dice
44:36 <Duhz> which is more recent.
44:48 <Duhz> Basically taking people's things without knowing it.
44:51 <Ballig> man I'm not letting you near my dice
44:52 <Hydrazine> So you just murder people?
45:22 <Duhz> Yeah well, sometimes I get upset when players don't solve riddles and figure they "deserve" death.
45:31 <Duhz> I'm gotten a little softer nowadays.
45:31 <Ballig> "Dude uh, what is Roger doing with your dice?" "He's 'rogering' them." "But... how does he fit so many d20s up there? And my GODS, the d4s!"
45:51 <Duhz> Well, they would say that till the metal d4s.
45:58 <Duhz> The points man. The points.
46:16 <Duhz> ....And that's how I got out of the industry.
46:41 <Hydrazine> i think riddles are one of those tricky parts to put in.
46:51 <Ballig> riddles are tough
46:59 <Ballig> because when you come up with the riddle, you think it's super easy
47:04 <Duhz> I just think that when the riddle point blank says don't go right
47:06 <Duhz> and you go right
47:08 <Ballig> but when you're in a game and you have no idea what the answer is, you can draw a complete blank
47:11 <Duhz> should should save or die.
47:15 <Duhz> you*
47:19 <Duhz> that's what I used to think
47:45 <Duhz> I was just a dick for a period of my life as a DM.
47:57 <Duhz> You'll have to ask Quince about it.
48:21 <Duhz> He tells this one story about this time where they had to go to a "save the world last dungeon"
48:58 <Duhz> And it was pretty brutal apparently. I had it dark, with just candles for light.
49:08 <Duhz> It was either mood lighting for banging, or dnd.
50:29 <Duhz> Sigh.
52:21 <Steven> damn it, my dads not 'feeling' well
52:35 <Steven> which means i get to go pick up jesse
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53:20 <Duhz> Ah ok.
53:28 <Duhz> Good luck
17:15 <diebot> Added or updated sheets:
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53:14 <Duhz> yup
56:54 <Ballig> Duhz: so you're really going to be able to play PFS for potentially up to 12 hours starting at 10pm this Thursday for you? :p
58:28 <Steven> alright im back
58:34 <Steven> made myself some breakfast
58:40 <Steven> well breakfast/lunch
59:00 <Ballig> it's breakfast time here
00:16 <Steven> cool
00:53 <Ballig> I'm out of milk though
01:23 <Steven> im out of soda
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11:27 * Mort- wags her tail
11:47 <Mort-> What's a quince.
11:59 <Mort-> Somehow that name is familiar...
12:39 <Mort-> Oh. Neverwinter nights. Can't remember if it was the good cleric. Or the bad cleric.
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45:48 * Mort- sneaks over to jumpy
45:58 Steven is now known as ausk
46:03 * ausk watches mort.
46:15 <Mort-> Oh oh
46:42 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 sleight of hand to steal cookies
46:43 <diebot> Mort-, sleight of hand to steal cookies: [1d20=6] 9
46:44 * Jumpy142 is completely oblivious
46:45 ausk is now known as Ausk
46:53 <Ausk> !roll 1d20+11 perception
46:53 <dicebot> Ausk, perception: [1d20=16] 27
47:00 * Ausk says nothing.
47:08 * Mort- gulps
47:20 * Mort- pads off
47:27 * Ausk gives Mort a signal to come over to him.
47:30 <Mort-> (Without cookies)
47:51 * Mort- pretends she didn't see anything
48:03 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+0 bluff
48:04 <diebot> Mort-, bluff: [1d20=3] 3
48:18 <Ausk> !throw 1d20+15 Sense Motive
48:18 <diebot> Ausk, Sense Motive: [1d20=20] 35
48:19 * Mort- edges further away
48:29 <Jumpy142> !roll 1d20-2 oblivious
48:29 <dicebot> Jumpy142, oblivious: [1d20=12] 10
48:30 * Ausk again makes the sign
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49:23 * Mort- just runs off out of sight
49:49 <Ausk> !throw 1d20+11 Perception
49:49 <diebot> Ausk, Perception: [1d20=16] 27
50:19 * Jumpy142_ is still oblivious
50:30 <Brunius> Feedest notte the Mort-
50:31 * Mort- has back turned to you and is running off at top speed
50:47 <Mort-> No one fed me.
50:51 <Mort-> I tried to help myself
51:04 * Jumpy142_ casts grease at Mort-
51:24 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 reflex
51:24 <diebot> Mort-, reflex: [1d20=8] 14
51:29 * Ausk casts Expiditious Retreat and follows quickly after mort.  Easily catching up.
51:42 * Mort- slips on the grease
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51:46 Jumpy142_ is now known as Jumpy142
51:53 * Mort- is now prone
52:04 * Ausk whispers at mort.  should have just given me my cut of the loot.
52:31 * Mort- whispers - i didn't manage to get any
52:50 <Mort-> (Failed sleight of hand remember?)
52:55 * Ausk whispers back why didnt you sign that at me? what kind of thief are you?
53:09 * Ausk whispers he was oblivious!
53:15 <Mort-> A new one who likes cookies
53:26 <Ausk> okay... go try again
53:32 * Ausk casts invisibility on Mort.
53:41 <Mort-> How would i have known you wouldn't report of me to the guard
53:47 <Mort-> Help me up?
53:51 * Ausk whispers .... im a pirate.
54:05 <Mort-> (Grease pile and prone)
54:10 * Ausk whispers good luck with the cookie hunting.  
54:18 * Ausk casts invisibility on himself
54:26 * Mort- stands up
54:37 * Ausk makes a hidden stealth check.
54:44 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 reflex
54:45 <diebot> Mort-, reflex: [1d20=1] 7
54:56 <Ausk> !throw 1d20+7 @Ausk
54:58 * Mort- slips on the grease again
55:10 <Mort-> Try again next round.
55:25 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+6 ref
55:26 <diebot> Mort-, ref: [1d20=1] 7
55:40 * Mort- is still on the ground
55:46 <Hydrazine> oro?
56:02 * Mort- gets irritated and casts fly on self.
56:14 <Ausk> Okay.  I gotta go pick up my step brother.  See you guys in a bit.
56:16 * Mort- moves 
56:19 <Mort-> Ok lol
56:23 <Mort-> Hi hydra
56:33 <Ausk> I want my share when I get back lemur.
56:43 * Mort- goes back to jumpy and steals all his cookies
57:02 <Hydrazine> Sup?
57:13 <Mort-> Do inquisitors get invis?
57:13 <Mort-> That i did not know
57:15 <Mort-> Did not expect them to
57:22 <Hydrazine> I dunno.
57:24 <Hydrazine> Spellcaster.
57:33 <Jumpy142> !throw 1d20-2 perception
57:33 <diebot> Jumpy142, perception: [1d20=7] 5
57:35 <Hydrazine> Most spellcasting stuff is in my 'shit to learn later' box.
57:42 <Mort-> Lol
57:49 <Mort-> You can't see me.
57:51 <Hydrazine> except how to make them stop.
57:53 * Jumpy142 whistles
57:54 <Mort-> I'm invisible
57:58 <Hydrazine> Already got that bit.
58:42 * Mort- just steals all the cookies and runs away
58:42 <Mort-> Grease piles suck by the way
58:49 * Jumpy142 suddenly checks his pockets
58:49 <Jumpy142> "those cookies were for my dying grandmother!"
59:11 * Mort- is feels slightly guilty
59:11 * Jumpy142 runs off crying
59:25 <Mort-> You see a cookie appear next to lumpy
59:28 <Mort-> Jumpx
59:31 <Mort-> Jumpy
59:34 <Mort-> On the ground
59:46 * Mort- runs off again
00:18 * Mort- stashes all her cookies in her burrow
00:26 * Jumpy142 smiles triumphantly
00:31 <Mort-> Btw hydra you up for we be goblins?
00:46 <Mort-> Its a how to be silly scenario
00:53 * Jumpy142 struts off
01:16 <Hydrazine> Bet tash would like that.
01:20 <Jumpy142> I'd love to join it, but can't :(
01:57 <Mort-> Last time i played i was a silly goblin
02:13 <Hydrazine> Oh, so I was playing league of legends today.
02:19 <Hydrazine> And one of the new characters reminds me of Mort.
02:23 <Mort-> The only thing i managed not to do is catch my fellow goblins in area of effect stuff
02:26 <Mort-> Really?
02:28 <Mort-> What way
02:30 <Hydrazine> Quite.
02:32 <Hydrazine> Shes a witch.
02:38 <Hydrazine> And she has a pixie that follows her around.
02:43 <Mort-> I'm not a witch. I'm a wizard
02:46 <Hydrazine> And she can turn people into squirrels.
02:54 <Mort-> I could do that part. 
02:57 <Hydrazine> And enlarge people.
02:58 <Brunius> That's it
03:03 <Brunius> Mort- is a squirrel
03:06 <Brunius> Not a lemur
03:12 <Hydrazine> And when she casts them, she says things like "Hugify!"
03:12 <Mort-> Baleful polymorph
03:19 <Mort-> Wait a little longer
03:20 <Mort-> I should
03:37 <Mort-> I yelled revealus creaturus
03:56 <Mort-> The last time i was using glitterdust to purge invis
03:57 <Hydrazine> And "Adorableamus!" "Bunny!" "Tremendo!"
04:23 <Mort-> No. Hugify is so crude.
04:24 <Hydrazine> And part of her random commentary involves things like "I recommend skipping" and "Yup. This tastes purple."
04:29 <Mort-> I rather try to fake Latin for casting
04:44 <Mort-> Maybe enlargen?
04:56 <Mort-> Haha
05:22 <Hydrazine> You fail to separate between mort the pathfinder wizard and mort the singaporean girl who thinks shes a lemur.
05:26 <Hydrazine> I'm talking about the latter.
05:53 <Mort-> Hermione has a bag of holding in the last episode of harry potter
06:03 <Brunius> It's great.
06:04 <Mort-> That's true
06:21 <Hydrazine> Brunius gets it.
06:30 <Mort-> Oh.
06:37 * Mort- doesn't.
07:08 <Mort-> Did you know before i became a mouse lemur
07:18 <Brunius> You never were a mouse lemur.
07:22 <Brunius> So before it is always.
07:26 <Mort-> I thought of being hammy the squirel
07:36 <Mort-> From over the hedge?
07:50 <Mort-> Some of my friends call me rhino
07:56 <Mort-> From the movie bolt
08:50 <Hydrazine> Why can't you just be..
08:52 <Hydrazine> well.. you?
09:28 <Mort-> Me?
09:41 <Mort-> Which part of me do you want
09:56 <Brunius> The non mouse lemur part
10:09 * Mort- looks at all her soul shards
10:21 <Mort-> Simply because its more fun to be a lemur
10:34 <Mort-> You get to do all kinds of silly things
11:01 <Mort-> Me as myself is sort of academic and boring
14:39 <Hydrazine> So you're saying I'm boring?
17:44 <Mort-> I think I'm boring
17:51 <Mort-> Ok enough said.
18:20 <Mort-> I don't lol. I read books. I don't drink.
18:44 <Brunius> You gol (giggle out loud) instead :P
18:46 <Hydrazine> I don't think theres anything wrong with just being yourself. Thats all I'm getting at.
19:10 <Mort-> Havent played table top before this so i don't have funny tales to tell
19:37 <Mort-> But what if i feel more comfortable in my lemur  suit?
19:50 <Hydrazine> I'm just me. Thats it. And if you guys don't like it, well.. If I think its something reasonable I could try to compromise. If not, then well, I can go somewhere else.
20:08 <Brunius> ^
20:22 <Brunius> I started getting that philosophy about the start of high school
20:40 <Brunius> All through primary school I was miserable because people wanted me to be someone else, and I wasn't
21:07 <Hydrazine> I don't think its that big of a deal either way, Mort. But if it stems from not being comfortable with who you are without it, I think that says something about your self confidence.
21:30 <Hydrazine> And if its possible for me to do something that might help you with this, I feel like it might be worth it to try.
21:58 * Mort- looks at the weather.
21:58 <Mort-> Gloomy morning ^^
22:10 <Hydrazine> People don't have to drink, or play the same video games, or play tabletop, or anything, to be decent and interesting people.
22:18 <Mort-> Gives rise to gloomy philosophical discussions
22:26 <Mort-> I could speak as myself
22:28 <Brunius> Yay, gloomy philosophy
22:31 <Mort-> I suppose
22:39 <Hydrazine> I don't think any of this is gloomy.
22:56 <Mort-> I generally try not to look at myself too much
23:05 <Mort-> Nothing really comes from looking there.
23:16 <Hydrazine> Huh.
23:27 <Mort-> To think is one thing. To brood is another
23:28 <Hydrazine> Did you know aid another for something that provokes, also provokes?
24:00 <Mort-> Why would you do something that would provoke in the first place?
24:12 <Hydrazine> sometimes worth it.
24:27 <Hydrazine> Oh! I finally found the bit that says you can charge-trip.
24:30 <Hydrazine> or charge-sunder.
25:06 <Brunius> You combat manueverists
25:10 <Mort-> Give me a situation
25:10 <Mort-> That you can aid something that provokes
25:11 <Mort-> You can't aid a spell. Can you aid a combat maneuver?
25:32 <Mort-> I'm not a true one.
25:39 <Mort-> I am just the apprentice
25:40 <Hydrazine> yes.
25:46 <Hydrazine> You can even aid a grapple.
25:58 <Mort-> I thought you need a feat for it
26:09 <Mort-> Or do you gain grappled condition as well?
26:22 <Mort-> Thinking of the rugby pileup
26:24 <Hydrazine> yes.
26:40 <Mort-> I don't understand why you would want to though
26:50 <Hydrazine> Done it before in a game actually.
26:57 <Mort-> Generally you cannot do damage while grappling
27:03 <Hydrazine> We had only one enemy left, and it was an invisible gnome.
27:08 <Mort-> Its all well and fine if you have one guy
27:16 <Hydrazine> So one person managed to grapple it
27:20 <Mort-> Which idiot forgot to bring glitterdust
27:36 <Mort-> You guys did the rugby pile up?
27:40 <Hydrazine> and then because the 3.5 rules are more restrictive for attacking grappling people..
27:44 <Hydrazine> everyone else grappled on in too.
27:53 <Mort-> Ah ha!
28:10 <Mort-> But what was the point
28:16 <Mort-> Pin tie up cdg?
28:35 <Hydrazine> Nah. Pile on grapple and attack.
28:37 <Mort-> Good job on the gnome by the way.
28:44 <Hydrazine> I don't think the grapple-tie up connection existed in 3.5
28:44 <Brunius> Hmm, can I wait until level 8 for precise shot?
28:47 <Brunius> Probably not.
28:54 <Mort-> That's the way you treat gnomes!
28:57 <Mort-> Good one!
28:59 <Hydrazine> So I think I messed up while making a tetori.
29:09 <Mort-> Why?
29:35 <Mort-> Which part did you mess up
29:47 <Mort-> If you tie them i can coup them
30:33 <Hydrazine> i think crane style may be the way to successfully play a melee monk.
31:13 <Mort-> I heard is oped yes
31:26 <Mort-> But what's wrong going around and tieing people up
31:41 <Mort-> Call it a more reliable sleep spell
31:57 <Mort-> Avatar says 
32:03 <Mort-> 1 in 5 monsters are immune to sleep
32:16 <Mort-> And it'll only increase as you level up
32:35 <Hydrazine> fair chance i fail grapple rolls though.
32:41 <Hydrazine> And that really messes him up.
33:20 <Brunius> Argh
33:24 <Brunius> Stupid Weapon Focus
34:01 <Mort-> At lower leveling
34:02 <Mort-> Levels
34:03 <Mort-> Go look at some higher cr monsters
34:13 <Mort-> He misses you. You get another shot
34:46 <Hydrazine> only because of a particularly tricky feat selection.
35:00 <Mort-> You can do it in a real game
35:02 <Hydrazine> Pondering if crane style might be worth it instead of turtle.
35:20 <Mort-> Which monster wouldn't resist hitting someone next to him
35:35 <Hydrazine> the smart ones.
35:40 <Mort-> If he provokes by moving around you i bet you can jump him as well right?
36:09 <Hydrazine> anyone else in melee's fair game.
36:15 <Mort-> Go and look at higher cr monsters
36:25 <Hydrazine> What about them?
36:29 <Mort-> See their cmd
36:31 <Hydrazine> ...Speak in full sentences?
36:44 <Mort-> Its hard. I'm on cell
37:00 <Mort-> Pick up some random monsters from 1-
37:03 <Mort-> 11
37:24 <Mort-> See how their cmd goes as to your grapple increases
37:42 <Hydrazine> you saying its in my favor or against?
37:53 <Mort-> I do not know
38:06 <Mort-> I haven't seen. I suspect it will be in your favour
38:19 <Mort-> I remember jerus missing a lot at low levels
38:21 <Hydrazine> He is pretty focused to have really high mods for his specialty.
38:41 <Mort-> Khaz can't hit the broad side of a barn sometimes
38:54 <Mort-> Missing happens. Deal with it
41:08 <Mort-> Why do you think most of my spells target will saves. Because i looked at the monsters and realised their weakness is generally will saves
42:51 <Hydrazine> 17/35, 18/23, 19/35, 23/29, 20/33, 17/31..
43:03 <Hydrazine> sample cmb/cmd from various cr11s.
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43:25 <Duhz> Hi.
43:33 <Hydrazine> hi Duhz.
43:58 <Hydrazine> comparing to.. 27/45.
44:18 <Mort-> What's your grapple
44:23 <Hydrazine> Just said.
44:33 <Mort-> I say you will land
44:37 <Mort-> More often then not
44:48 <Hydrazine> Hm.
45:19 <Mort-> Some things take time hydra.
45:42 <Mort-> When you start cmd is already 10+
45:48 <Mort->  Whatever mod
46:55 <Hydrazine> So.
47:01 <Hydrazine> Yeah, looks pretty accurate.
47:14 <Hydrazine> Average initiate looks like 37.
47:24 <Mort-> I say probably you'll be fine once you start going into your specialty
47:25 <Hydrazine> so average beats all of the samples.
47:31 <Hydrazine> After the first roll its 32.
47:37 <Mort-> Yeah
47:54 <Hydrazine> so that beats some of the weaker ones automatically.
48:06 <Mort-> Yeah
48:22 <Hydrazine> And the crazy high CMD means they won't get out much.
48:41 <Mort-> Not without magical help which you can suppress anyway
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49:39 <Mort-> Thing about enchantment specialty is that many later level monsters are immune to mind affecting effects
50:08 <Mort-> Low will save yes. Immune to paralysis . Mind affecting. 
50:11 <Mort-> Hit what?
50:28 <Duhz> hey
50:30 <Duhz> hydra
50:37 <Duhz> me and a friend are gonna do some ARABs
50:39 <Duhz> you in?
50:43 <Mort-> Need to start branching out
50:48 <Mort-> What's an arab
50:54 <Duhz> All random all bottom
51:05 <Duhz> It's a dominion type game in lol
51:08 <Mort-> Lol?
51:09 <Mort-> Oh
51:14 <Mort-> Have fun guys
51:55 <Mort-> Also i think later hoku should carry potions of enlarge person around
52:07 <Mort-> You might need to pin a huge monster
54:20 <Ausk> sup....
54:34 <Hydrazine> Dude!
54:45 <Hydrazine> ARAB's cool. I kinda miss when ARAM actually worked.
54:54 <Hydrazine> But not right now, busy. Maybe some other time.
55:01 <Duhz> welp
55:02 <Ausk> i have no idea what you are talking about
55:03 <Duhz> ok
55:30 <Duhz> I have no ideas.
55:45 * Mort- hands to ausk half her cookies
56:00 <Mort-> Well i took off my lemur suit
56:05 <Mort-> I'm myself now
56:08 * Ausk takes 20% of the cookies.
56:14 <Mort-> Thanks
56:20 <Mort-> Actually i don't need cookies
56:23 <Hydrazine> Howdy Steven.
56:24 <Duhz> I need a fire flower
56:30 <Mort-> Its lemur form that does
56:51 <Mort-> Steven have you done we be goblins?
57:05 <Ausk> ive never gotten kinnky with a goblin
57:11 <Mort-> I feel like re runing just for fun but I've done it before
57:13 <Mort-> Scenario
57:23 <Mort-> So i won't get any credits
57:38 <Hydrazine> Ever do custom games with a theme, duhz?
57:40 <Mort-> If ballig will let me play i can't really do much
57:50 <Mort-> Hydra
57:57 <Ausk> my brain hurts...
58:04 <Mort-> I recommend you play in we be goblins
58:05 <Duhz> yeah
58:06 <Duhz> we do
58:16 <Duhz> but not as much
58:41 <Hydrazine> i think i most enjoyed the 'no legit builds' match.
58:58 <Hydrazine> Not allowed to actually use anything that makes sense for that champ.
59:58 <Hydrazine> I learned the hard way that AD singed is no match for AS morg and AS ryze.
00:24 <Duhz> def true
00:24 <Mort-> Ok i really didn't get the whole thing
00:33 <Duhz> Try umm...bravery
00:44 <Hydrazine> we did that once.
00:49 <Hydrazine> And I got something crazy.
00:55 <Hydrazine> like, way effective.
01:18 <Mort-> Lol stuff?
01:37 <Hydrazine> yrp'
01:51 <Mort-> My reflexes are too slow for lol/dota or any fps
04:02 <Mort-> I don't react too well to surprises Jon
04:03 <Mort-> Too
04:12 <Duhz> AN ENEMY HAS CAPTURED THE BONEYARD
04:24 <Hydrazine> balls
04:29 <Hydrazine> Who'd you get?
04:34 <Mort-> Like you know when you turn around a corner and a monster pops up at you
04:45 <Hydrazine> Tash quit ARAMs because she got malphite like 7 times in a row.
04:47 <Mort-> Ill get stunned for 3 seconds
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09:14 <Duhz> I shen
09:51 <Hydrazine> so OP.
10:01 <Hydrazine> good CC really helps in those.
10:05 <Duhz> I built a little wrong
10:10 <Duhz> But our team is just bad
10:13 <Hydrazine> that and alot of range.
10:21 <Duhz> like the comp is just....ugh
10:39 <Hydrazine> my best combo for an aram was zilean/maphite/janna.
11:03 <Hydrazine> used malph to drop off bombs and janna to keep people around.
11:46 <Mort-> Do you guys use team speak
11:54 <Mort-> Or vent?
11:58 <Duhz> We mumble
12:07 <Hydrazine> buh, mumble.
12:30 <Mort-> Really there is a software called mumble?
12:37 <Brunius> Yeah
12:42 <Hydrazine> yeah. Not a fan of it.
12:43 <Brunius> It's like teamspeak
12:44 <Mort-> What's the world coming to.
12:58 <Mort-> Its required for pvp stuff
13:02 <Mort-> Help coordination
13:06 <Duhz> But some friends at home like teamspeak
13:25 <Brunius> Use Ventrilo
14:27 <Mort-> Whatever that floats your boat
14:51 <Mort-> What i didn't like was even groups for mnorpgs
14:56 <Mort-> Wanted to have it
15:09 <Mort-> As in don't have? You don't get the invite
15:11 <Mort-> Gah.
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17:11 <Avatar> Mort-: I failed using sleep on 1 in 5
17:15 <Avatar> not 1 in 5 are immune to it
17:23 <Avatar> as in, they were making their save
17:24 <Hydrazine> big difference.
17:31 <Hydrazine> Overal, I'd say very effective.
17:42 <Avatar> yeah that number doesn't include bad guys that are immune
17:50 <Hydrazine> 80% hitrate on something that can really make the fight is pretty good.
17:51 <Mort-> Oh
18:11 <Mort-> Makes me wish i had gone hexcrafter
18:20 * Mort- gives a wistful sigh
18:35 <Mort-> But whatever that comes ill deal with the cards in my hand
18:44 <Quince> oh hi
19:00 <Mort-> There is something called accused hex.
19:10 <Mort-> You can hex the same guy twice in 24 h
19:12 <Hydrazine> howdy.
19:35 <Hydrazine> and cackle too?
19:44 <Mort-> Well I'm not a lemur now
19:49 <Hydrazine> 4 rounds of a normally 1 round hex in a day?
19:53 <Hydrazine> ..i am interested.
19:57 <Mort-> So i don't wave and tumble people over
20:15 <Mort-> I don't know what is cackle
20:44 <Mort-> Sorry I'm not a true witch. I just took a crash course in hexmagus
20:49 <Hydrazine> move action hex. makes any existing hex last another round.
20:49 <Avatar> I have accursed hex
21:10 <Mort-> I need my move action dude
21:23 <Hydrazine> 2 rounds of misfortune is mean
21:35 <Avatar> I don't think I've ever ended up using misfortune
21:42 <Mort-> If i ever turned into a hexblade i would be more witch then magus
21:45 <Avatar> definitely not cackle
21:55 <Mort-> Time is a precious resource
22:01 <Avatar> if they can't be slept, they can't be misfortuned
22:03 <Brunius> Didn't you use cackle in ruby pheonix tournament
22:08 <Mort-> I realised having enlarge person on your spell list
22:11 <Avatar> don't think so
22:17 <Mort-> Doesn't mean you'll have the time to use it
22:25 <Brunius> I think you did
23:00 <Avatar> the thing is anyone who can be misfortuned can be slept
23:04 <Avatar> and sleep is better
23:10 <Avatar> well
23:11 <Brunius> Avatar: Mapping it out, as a gnome, earliest level you can get sword and pistol, with multiclassing to get a lot of bonus feats, is 7
23:13 <Avatar> unless they are elves
23:14 <Mort-> Ideally is it possible to give your familiar the ability to cackle for you?
23:24 <Brunius> But that's like gunslinger 4/fighter 2/monk 1
23:32 <Duhz> Neeeerrrrdddds
23:34 <Brunius> Pure Gunslinger is 9
23:47 <Mort-> Get what i mean?
23:49 <Avatar> not unless your familiar can use hexes
23:53 <Avatar> (it can't)
24:02 <Mort-> Daym
24:06 <Duhz> son
24:08 <Avatar> you really don't want your familiar to do hardly anything
24:13 <Avatar> it's too fragile
24:21 <Duhz> word
24:23 <Mort-> I don't believe that :)
24:29 <Mort-> We will see
24:39 <Avatar> if you take your familiar out of backpack or wherever you keep it
24:42 <Avatar> it's susceptible as a target
24:55 <Avatar> if it dies, you are screwed
25:02 <Mort-> In what way
25:03 <Mort-> Just gp
25:07 <Mort-> Nothing else
25:09 <Avatar> the familiar is a witch's spellbook
25:14 <Mort-> Oh sorry
25:15 <Mort-> I forgot
25:21 <Mort-> Different rules apply
25:24 <Mort-> :)
25:25 <MekkisScreen> you can't take a backup?
25:30 <Avatar> I've only taken it out once, and I was very scared when I did so
25:34 <Avatar> can you?
25:42 <MekkisScreen> no idea
25:49 <Avatar> I don't think you're allowed two familiars
25:55 <Mort-> I don't see anything wrong with putting my familiar in combat
26:05 <Avatar> your familiar is fine I think
26:09 <MekkisScreen> keep in mind that a familiar needs to save against AoEs too
26:11 <Avatar> on your wizard
26:19 <MekkisScreen> even if it's coveredup
26:23 <Mort-> Ok
26:36 <Mort-> Will keep it in mind
26:50 <Avatar> I wouldn't rule a familiar a target, even against AoEs, if it's in a place like your backpack
27:00 <Avatar> that's way too harsh
27:10 <MekkisScreen> that's the rules
27:32 <Avatar> we regularly ignore rules about what happens to stuff in our backpacks like when you go underwater
27:32 <MekkisScreen> most enemies won't target it though
27:49 <Avatar> your scrolls are all destroyed and so forth
28:01 <MekkisScreen> you don't bring a waterproof bag?
28:06 <Avatar> do you?
28:16 <Jumpy142> Hey guys, where can I find a list of all these different classes/races you're talking about?
28:18 <MekkisScreen> I don't think I've been underwater many times
28:34 <MekkisScreen> it's happened twice
28:46 <Avatar> Jumpy142: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ or a rulebook
28:46 <MekkisScreen> both times I took precautions against that
28:50 <Avatar> depends what class you're talking about
29:01 <Avatar> GMs regularly ignore that
29:20 <MekkisScreen> it doesn't happen often
29:29 <Mort-> How do you bring a water proof bag
29:35 <MekkisScreen> what about in You Only Die Twice?
29:43 <Avatar> no spoilers man
29:53 <MekkisScreen> both Itzamna's and Ulzen's birds died
30:01 <MekkisScreen> :(
30:18 <Mort-> How do you water proof your bag
30:25 <Mort-> Id be interested
30:30 <MekkisScreen> by buying a waterproof bag
30:38 <Mort-> Cool
30:41 <Mort-> Where was it
30:43 <MekkisScreen> or just some extradimensional space
30:52 <MekkisScreen> AA, I think
31:47 <Avatar> standard backpacks are apparently "water resistant"
31:52 <Mort-> Found it
42:12 <MekkisScreen> 12d
42:31 <Mort-> ?
47:59 <Mort-> Being a caster is so trouble some
48:13 <Duhz> lololol
48:18 <Duhz> being a noncaster is troublesome
48:30 <Mort-> No
48:46 <Mort-> I think it depends on who is on caster
49:04 <Mort-> Now I'm worried that a fireball will destroy my scrolls
49:13 <Brunius> Ha
49:38 <Brunius> Remind me to get the caster in Sniper to cast fireball at Mort-
50:06 <Duhz> hyes
52:16 <Mort-> Don't :(
52:37 <Brunius> But...fireball
52:55 <Mort-> I'm harmless!
55:45 <Mort-> I need a handy haversack period
56:05 <Brunius> Get one then
56:07 <Brunius> They're only 2k
56:23 <Mort-> I'm a little bankrupt atm
56:28 <Avatar> I'm sort of tempted to get one and be a packrat as well
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07:40 <sarsam> Hey
07:56 <sarsam> Im looking for some players
08:15 <Brunius> These aren't the players you're looking for
08:18 <Brunius> Move along now
08:19 <Brunius> Move along.
08:40 <Brunius> Setting Star Wars references aside, sup?
08:57 <sarsam> nm just looking either to join a game or to run a game of dnd
09:47 <Mort-> What the heck
10:06 <Mort-> Bru. Ballig told you to be polite :p
10:14 <Brunius> What?
10:16 <Brunius> When?
10:37 <Mort-> But anyway brunius where did that sw reference come from
10:41 <Mort-> Which cool
10:42 <Mort-> Book
10:49 <Jumpy142> Is it possible to play an alchemist in PFS?
11:07 <Brunius> It's from the first movie.
11:09 <Brunius> Episode IV
11:15 <Brunius> The Stormtroopers?
11:18 <Brunius> Droids?
11:28 <Mort-> Well the last time i was not so polite avatar and ballig took me to task for it
11:37 <Mort-> And yes jumpy you can
11:52 <Jumpy142> I thought there were rules against making items
12:01 <Brunius> Alchemists are the exception
12:25 <Brunius> I think only they can use their items or something
12:36 <Hydrazine> in PFS, you lose brew potion and get extra bombs instead.
12:47 <Jumpy142> Oh :(
12:48 <sarsam> If theres no open games or players looking for a group, can you point me to somewhere I can find players/a group?
13:06 <Mort-> I say i was grumpy. I was trying to level khaz to 11
13:07 <Brunius> We usually play pathfinder here, and that's open to everyone
13:11 <Mort-> Yeah
13:15 <Mort-> The problem is.
13:23 <Brunius> If you want to start a campaign, people will probably be interested
13:30 <Mort-> We are supposed  to be honest citizens
13:44 <Mort-> So we are supposed to have dayjobs.
14:09 <sarsam> I'm not sure what ruleset or setting to use, whats the norm?
14:21 <Mort-> And I'm on cell
14:27 <Mort-> What was the site again?
15:58 <Hydrazine> We mostly play pathfinder Society, which is pretty strict on rules and setting, I think.
16:32 <Mort-> Hydra get the site and spare me trying to Google it on cell
17:04 <sarsam> I've never played anything exept 4E dnd
17:08 <Duhz> We don't play anything.
17:13 <Duhz> These guys are in left field.
17:51 <Duhz> And when we do play... it's usually 1st edition.
17:57 <Hydrazine> Duhz is trolling.
18:08 <Quince> duhz doesnt troll ever tho
18:11 <Hydrazine> Uh, Pathfinder is quite a bit different than 4E.
18:15 <Duhz> Throw acid at me, I won't flinch.
18:18 <Mort-> www.pfrpg.com.au/
18:22 <Mort-> Ah finally
18:35 * Mort- takes out acid flask
18:42 <Hydrazine> I mean the basic idea is the same, but most of the mechanics, especially in combat, are very different.
18:47 <Quince> *?
18:57 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+5 throw acid at duhz
18:58 <diebot> Mort-, throw acid at duhz: [1d20=8] 13
18:59 <Quince> how do you make colors
19:00 <sarsam> I have the pathfinder core rule book
19:02 <Mort-> Missed
19:18 <Duhz> Hah
19:23 <Duhz> even my touch AC is high
19:31 <Mort-> 9 more where it came from
19:33 <Quince> A DIE BOT
19:34 <Quince> Thats cool
19:39 <Duhz> Oh noes.
19:43 <Hydrazine> You haven't met diebot?
19:44 * Mort- casts flaming sphere at duhz
19:45 <Hydrazine> Hes the boss.
19:54 <Brunius> Quince: try /me command
19:56 <Hydrazine> Until you're actually in combat, then he'll give you shitty rolls.
19:57 <Mort-> Dc 19 reflex please :p
20:03 * Quince command
20:13 <Duhz> I'll use an inspiration point.
20:16 <Quince> and then what
20:20 * Quince command
20:24 <Mort-> You don't have it here
20:25 <Mort-> Actually
20:27 <Brunius> You can replace command with anything
20:29 <Brunius> So you can go
20:33 <Hydrazine> If its Mort DMing, diebot's gonna give her straight 15+ all day long.
20:34 * Brunius throws an acid flask
20:37 <Mort-> Pfs has no inspiration points
20:43 <Brunius> That's one way of getting colours
20:52 <Brunius> Another is butchering one of the RFCs
20:59 <Brunius> Mekkis is always complaining about that
21:02 <Mort-> Well i set aside my dm hat
21:04 <Brunius> Which IRC client do you use?
21:15 <Duhz> I feel like I might be melting.
21:22 <Avatar> lol @ 15+
21:23 <Mort-> Good
21:35 <Mort-> Eat it for 6 rounds :)
21:39 <Brunius> Your a 15+
21:40 <Quince> hydra
21:48 <Avatar> you're a 15
22:01 * Duhz is a 15.
22:12 <Hydrazine> hm?
22:14 <Hydrazine> Oh.
22:23 <Brunius> I am 15
22:27 <Brunius> I'm not A 15
22:30 <Brunius> but I am 15
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24:56 <Mort-> Seriously you guys should do fs
25:00 <Mort-> On week days
25:29 <Mort-> It'll give me entertainment watching you all go around like puppies
25:36 <Mort-> Even if i can't play :p
26:06 <Jumpy142> What's fs?
26:10 <Mort-> Oh i give strong recommendations for doing we be goblins
26:14 <Mort-> First steps
26:30 <Mort-> Its an awesome scenario
26:40 <Mort-> How often do you get to act like a silly goblin
26:51 <Mort-> Do things that you can't usually do in pfs
27:33 <Hydrazine> first steps is like the intro to pfs game.
27:53 <Hydrazine> but not quite so easy that i'd consider it a tutorial.
28:29 <Mort-> I did all kinds of socially unacceptable things in we be goblins
28:44 <Mort-> I think i farted in someone's face
29:34 <Mort-> The good thing about fs
29:43 <Mort-> is you can replay it any number of times
30:03 <Mort-> You don't just "lose" scenarios because you died 
30:11 <Hydrazine> oh, mort.
30:16 <Mort-> ?
30:19 <Hydrazine> remember my discussion about bull rushes not using weapons?
30:29 <Mort-> Yeah
30:33 <Mort-> Got faq?
30:38 <Hydrazine> found official wording.
30:39 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/2011/september/v5748dyo5lcom?Combat-Maneuvers-and-Weapon-Special-Features
31:47 <Mort-> Thank you
31:53 <Mort-> Master hydra
32:34 <Mort-> That goblin on the faq is so adorable by the way
32:49 <Avatar> Hydrazine: jerus is a polearm fighter ?
33:07 <Avatar> that's important enough to put the entire errata on your character sheet with a link to that 
33:07 <Mort-> That's duh.
33:35 <Avatar> just that last paragraph
33:58 <Quince> MORE COLORS
34:56 <Mort-> Fuzzy!
34:59 <Duhz> What
35:04 <Duhz> fuzzy colors
35:10 <Duhz> THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE REALMS OF CHAOS
35:21 <Mort-> I like fuzzy things
35:49 <Hydrazine> Not applicable yet, Avatar. He won't get that ability for a while.
35:57 <Hydrazine> But I think I will put the link on my charsheet.
36:04 <Avatar> yeah
36:15 <Avatar> that's a pretty golden reference
36:24 <Hydrazine> Because it is important to make sure DMs understand that for example, my masterwork weapon applies to my trip attempts too.
36:36 <Hydrazine> And special misc bonuses to attack rolls I get from class features.
37:04 <Duhz> It's important to make players understand.
37:08 <Duhz> That they will die.
37:09 <Duhz> Everytime.
37:19 <Duhz> Regardless of masterwork weapons.
37:46 <Avatar> haha
37:52 <Avatar> regardless of their abilities
38:15 <Duhz> Yup, rolls are not random.
38:21 <Duhz> They are decided by the GM.
38:29 <Duhz> aka The Lord Almighty Himself.
38:45 * Mort- raises eyebrows
38:49 <Ausk> you called
38:54 <Mort-> I would roll my dice in the open
39:01 <Mort-> I wouldn't hide anything
39:14 <Mort-> If i was dming
39:46 <Brunius> Yeah
39:55 <Brunius> I'd do that for attack rolls, at the very least
40:19 <Mort-> The problem is some say the group will metagame  on tactics
40:23 <Ausk> i always roll out in the open
40:40 <Ausk> except in home brews of course
40:42 <Mort-> Ie like they see the monster has a +8 modifier to attack roll
41:00 <Mort-> Kill him as fast as possible before he kills us all!
41:04 <Avatar> I'm quite happy for a GM to roll behind closed doors
41:11 <Brunius> Isn't that what you do normally, Mort-?
41:19 <Avatar> I didn't think I would be, but ballig's tried it and I thought it made the game better
41:19 <Mort-> While if he has a +0 mod
41:23 <Ausk> but yeah, if the players are smashing through an encounter
41:24 <Avatar> and I did the same thing and found the same result
41:29 <Mort-> Actually yes.
41:38 <Ausk> well then good for them, later they will likely struggle
41:52 <Mort-> I see attack mods and see how much magic i will expend
42:09 <Mort-> If nothing serious i just slackadocious
46:35 <Ausk> I has  mountain dew
46:38 <Ausk> and pain pills
46:46 <Ausk> everything is now an acceptable level of awesome
47:35 <Mort-> Oh
47:41 <Mort-> I'm human now
47:43 <Mort-> Btw
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48:13 <Ausk> me too...
48:50 <Mort-> Why i would roll my dice in the open
49:11 <Mort-> Because my players won't believe i got 15+ in a row
49:17 <Mort-> 6 times in a row
49:34 <Hydrazine> I tell you about Conrad's mythical black anti-jayson d20?
49:47 <Brunius> Nopw
49:50 <Avatar> that would be incredibly suspect mort
49:52 <Brunius> Argh cannot type
49:58 <Avatar> but nobody can deny it happened
50:01 <Ausk> i rolled 3 20s in a row
50:18 <Avatar> mort rolled about 6 20's in a row in first steps 1
50:22 <Mort-> Yes so ill roll my dice in the open
50:23 <Mort-> Well
50:24 <Avatar> well not in a row
50:25 <Ausk> so the dm was like no way! and took my dice and gave me another pair
50:28 <Avatar> but in one encounter
50:28 <Mort-> I really did?
50:33 <Ausk> and then i rolled 4 more 20s
50:38 <Ausk> and so i took my dice back
50:44 <Mort-> Haha
50:53 <Avatar> what a crazy day that was
51:08 <Ausk> he was not amused when i killed the boss in one round.
52:19 <Mort-> We uh
52:21 <Ausk> 3 attacks while hasted 3-20s followed by 3 confirm w/ 20s and a 20 on the will save for attacking him
52:25 <Mort-> Did that twice
52:46 <Ausk> then let off my Searing light out of my weapon
53:12 <Ausk> he was just like, yeah boss dead didnt even let me roll damage
53:22 <Ausk> cause i had bane on my weapon
53:47 <Mort-> Searing light will be cast at minimum caster level
54:06 <Mort-> If weapon crits does  spell crit too?
54:19 <Mort-> You are not a magus. :p
54:32 <Ausk> its a weapon with spell storing
54:39 <Brunius> hahahahahaha
54:42 <Mort-> I know the rules of it
55:26 <Mort-> But the spell should be at minimum caster level
55:47 <Ausk> why would it be at minimum caster level?
56:50 <Mort-> Ring of spell storing
57:07 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I think DM rolling secretly is better than open.
57:15 <Mort-> Each spell has a caster level equal to the minimumm level needed to cast the spell
57:16 <Hydrazine> aslong as its a decent DM and not. Well, Bobby.
57:21 <Mort-> The problem is. 
57:27 <Mort-> You wouldn't believe me
57:46 <Mort-> If i told you i rolled 6 15s in a row
57:47 <Hydrazine> Part of the benefit there, Mort..
58:00 <Hydrazine> Is if the dice are being really unfair.. you don't have to let them.
58:03 <Mort-> I know what you mean
58:14 <Mort-> Anyway since i don't dm
58:17 <Mort-> Point is moot
58:50 <Thelen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSR4_tAYvw   who wants to OD on cuteness :D
59:23 <Brunius> Why does it sound like there are people fapping in my minecraft world
59:31 <Thelen> they might be
59:33 <Ausk> i dont think Ring of Spell Storing = Magic weapon enchantment Spell Storing mort.
59:36 <Thelen> there are dildos after all
59:41 <Avatar> holy shit that is cute
59:48 <Avatar> I don't even like cats
59:49 <Mort-> Ah different principles
00:03 <Thelen> when it does its little meow
00:41 <Mort-> So i could technically shove an intensified shocking grasp in
00:54 <Mort-> If weapon crits. So does spell? :d
01:07 <Ausk> dont think if the weapon crits the spell auto crits
01:12 <Thelen> spell effects don't crit if the weapon does
01:18 <Mort-> Ah ok
01:26 <Ausk> because it allows you to cast the spell as a free action
01:32 <Mort-> Forget it then. Its back to the drawing board
01:38 <Thelen> if you caste the spell, it can crit
01:44 <Thelen> but if its just a spell effect from the weapon
01:45 <Mort-> Ill just spell strike and hope to get lucky
01:46 <Avatar> I couldn't work out if the holy effect on my gun crits
01:57 <Thelen> pretty sure holy doesn't
02:07 <Avatar> at first I thought it did, then I used an ability with it and got told it doesn't, then later got told it does
02:08 <Thelen> because its an effect not a spell of its own
02:14 <Ausk> Spell Storing
02:15 <Ausk> Aura Strong evocation (plus aura of stored spell); CL 12th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, creator must be a caster of at least 12th level; Price +1 bonus.
02:15 <Ausk> Description
02:15 <Ausk> A spell storing weapon allows a spellcaster to store a single targeted spell of up to 3rd level in the weapon. (The spell must have a casting time of 1 standard action.) Anytime the weapon strikes a creature and the creature takes damage from it, the weapon can immediately cast the spell on that creature as a free action if the wielder desires. (This special ability is an exception to the general rule that casting a spell from an item takes at least as lon
02:16 <Thelen> hmm who knows
02:19 <Ausk> g as casting that spell normally.) Once the spell has been cast from the weapon, a spellcaster can cast any other targeted spell of up to 3rd level into it. The weapon magically imparts to the wielder the name of the spell currently stored within it. A randomly rolled spell storing weapon has a 50% chance to have a spell stored in it already.
02:31 <Thelen> Ausk yea that could crit
02:57 <Ausk> it can crit, but it doesnt auto crit just because the weapon crit
03:00 <Thelen> yep
03:02 <Ausk> which is what she is asking
03:05 <Avatar> what about with holy
03:11 <Thelen> holy you don't role for
03:13 <Thelen> it just happens
03:16 <Avatar> yeah
03:19 <Thelen> so it shouldn't be criting
03:20 <Avatar> does it crit when the weapon crits?
03:20 <Hydrazine> magi get that.
03:34 <Thelen> what does crit say about it
03:41 <Thelen> er i mean
03:44 <Mort-> I could just cast the spell and keep hitting
03:47 <Thelen> crit doesn't auto crit/stack with everything
04:01 <Mort-> And hope to get lucky
04:07 <Thelen> like my fighter, if i crit i don't double some things
04:12 <Thelen> though i forget which now
04:20 <Ausk> yeah like sadly bane doesnt get doubled on a crit
04:26 <Thelen> yea things like that
04:32 <Mort-> 3d6 with standard weapon damage is a bit over kill for a level 2 though
04:34 <Mort-> I think
04:35 <Avatar> Exception: Precision damage (such as from a rogue's sneak 
04:35 <Avatar> attack class feature) and additional damage dice from special 
04:35 <Avatar> weapon qualities (such as flaming) are not multiplied when 
04:35 <Avatar> you score a critical hit.
04:43 <Avatar> there you go
04:46 <Thelen> right
04:53 <Thelen> thats a special weapon quality
04:59 <Avatar> yeah
05:00 <Thelen> flaming, holy, etc
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05:13 <Thelen> spell storing though, that should crit
05:20 <Mort-> Ooh
05:21 <Thelen> as it isn't a special quality, it actually has to hit on its own
05:24 <Brunius> It's a special weapon quality, isn't it?
05:25 <Thelen> flaming etc auto hit
05:30 <Thelen> yes but it doesn't auto hit
05:51 <Thelen> unless it does, did i misreasd?
06:00 <Thelen> the weapon can immediately cast the spell on that creature as a free action if the wielder desires.
06:03 <Avatar> a spell attack that requires no attack roll cannot score a critical hit
06:06 <Thelen> so they'd have to role to hit right?
06:09 <Thelen> yup
06:18 <Mort-> Tell me when you are done
06:30 <Avatar> if it does require an attack roll, it can score a critical hit
06:35 <Thelen> makse sense
06:38 <Ausk> !throw 1d6+22; 1d6+22; 1d6+22; 6d6; 5d8
06:39 <diebot> Ausk, 1d6+22: [1d6=4] 26; 1d6+22: [1d6=4] 26; 1d6+22: [1d6=6] 28; 6d6: [6d6=3,3,3,2,5,1] 17; 5d8: [5d8=3,6,6,6,8] 29
06:45 <Avatar> even if it's ability damage or drain
06:46 <Mort-> I hit with my attack
06:54 <Ausk> thats how much damage i did to the boss.
07:08 <Avatar> what level is this character
07:15 <Mort-> 12
07:16 <Ausk> its level 12
07:27 <Avatar> that is screaming munchkin to me
07:27 <Hydrazine> thats pretty solid.
07:29 <Ausk> the boss only had like 150hp
07:40 <Avatar> they were crits though?
07:41 <Ausk> silly demons
07:44 <Avatar> I didn't read the whole story
07:46 <Hydrazine> Well, he did crit all of them.
07:48 <Hydrazine> So, yeah.
07:51 <Ausk> yeah... so it would be another 3d6
07:56 <Ausk> !throw 3d6
07:56 <diebot> Ausk, 3d6: [3d6=5,4,2] 11
07:58 <Avatar> what's your regular attack look like
08:18 <Ausk> oh crap i forgot to add power attack
08:44 <Mort-> Your base is 1d6?
08:47 <Ausk> so add another 12 damage onto each of their rolls
08:54 <Mort-> Your using a one handed weapon?
08:55 <Mort-> Pa?
08:58 <Ausk> yeah
09:17 <Mort-> You have medium bab
09:23 <Mort-> How do you make sure you hit
09:25 <Ausk> my inquisitor is a melee inuisitor
09:26 <Mort-> Hasted?
09:28 <Ausk> judgement
09:35 <Mort-> What that give
10:04 <Ausk> +3 to hit
10:09 <Ausk> or +6 to confirm crits
10:17 <Mort-> Ok
10:18 <Ausk> judgements=win
10:32 <Ausk> i usually rolled with Justice and Smiting
10:38 <Mort-> So with the +3 you go around
10:47 <Mort-> Smacking
10:50 <Ausk>  At 10th level, the inquisitor’s weapons also count as adamantine for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction (but not for reducing hardness).
10:59 <Ausk> it counteracts the power attack
11:07 <Avatar> that cat looks a lot scarier compared to when it was a kitten
12:53 <Brunius> cats are badass
12:57 <Ausk> my friend walter says ausk is the Rage wolf
13:05 <Avatar> dogs are badasser
13:08 <Ausk> http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1221&bih=749&tbm=isch&tbnid=NmG4Ih0ukBUCeM:&imgrefurl=http://memebase.com/2011/12/29/internet-memes-close-enough-3/&docid=Ku3fSEyWwOJ40M&imgurl=http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/internet-memes-close-enough2.jpg&w=500&h=500&ei=o_aET66RKMSdiQLJj_H1BA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=116&vpy=280&dur=1082&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=148&ty=96&sig=115690250565819982226&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:7,s
13:09 <Ausk> :0,i:83
13:31 <Avatar> proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljH69nb1AE
14:00 <Brunius> That's horrible man
14:02 <Ausk> how sad is it that that dog sings and plays the paino better then i do
14:19 <Avatar> haha
25:08 <Duhz> WORD.
25:12 <Avatar> sometimes when I get down, I open up that video and sing with that dog
25:20 <Avatar> wooooooooooooooooo
25:23 <Avatar> awoooooooooooo!
25:40 <Avatar> dingdongding
25:40 <Ausk> my brain feels like its mush
25:41 <Avatar> wooooooo!
29:27 <Mort-> Sort of a waste to put an intensified shocking grasp into the weapon?
29:37 <Mort-> 10d6 possibly
29:47 <Mort-> !throw 20d6
29:47 <diebot> Mort-, 20d6: [20d6=3,6,3,3,1,3,3,2,6,6,4,3,5,1,1,1,4,6,5,3] 69
30:00 <Mort-> Oh. Crit looks funny.
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32:50 <Ausk> !throw 20d6
32:50 <diebot> Ausk, 20d6: [20d6=6,5,4,6,4,3,2,6,2,6,2,1,4,6,5,4,3,2,3,2] 76
32:55 <Ausk> i beat you mort.
33:25 <Mort-> You cant get 20d6
33:39 <Mort-> Intensified sg is 10d6
33:49 <Mort-> With a crit its 20
34:05 <Mort-> Recharge weapon after fight and do it again...
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39:04 <Ausk> that spell is cool
39:12 <Ausk> <?Unwilling Shield
39:22 <Ausk> <? Unwilling Shield
39:36 <Ausk> i dont know how to use that command for this bot
39:37 * Mort- winces
39:47 <Mort-> Its not programmed in
39:55 <Ausk> Like shield other, unwilling shield creates a mystic connection between you and the target, but unlike shield other, the target shares the wounds that you receive. In addition, the link draws upon the target's life force to supplement your own defenses. You gain a +1 luck bonus to AC and on saving throws. You take only half damage from all wounds and attacks (including those dealt by special abilities) that deal hit point damage. The amount of damage not t
39:56 <Ausk> aken by you is taken by the target. Forms of harm that do not involve hit points, such as charm effects, ability damage, level draining, and death effects are not affected. If you take a reduction in hit points from a lowered Constitution score, the reduction is not split with the target because it is not hit point damage.
39:56 <Ausk> When the spell ends, subsequent damage is no longer divided between you and the subject, but damage already split is not assigned to you.
39:58 <Ausk> If you and the target of the spell move out of range of each other, the spell remains active, but damage is no longer shared until you are once again within range of each other.
40:42 <Mort-> Lol
40:55 <Mort-> Will save to put on unwilling target
41:01 <Mort-> I bet
41:09 <Ausk> just use it during a BBEG
41:16 <Ausk> stand toe to toe with a demon
41:41 <Mort-> He will saved because he was so big and bad? :d
41:51 <Ausk> dunno
42:08 <Ausk> DC of 20 is easily done
42:28 <Ausk> 13th level spell
42:38 <Ausk> sorry 13th caster level of spell
42:39 <Mort-> The only
42:57 <Mort-> Person who would dare to use it
43:11 <Ausk> so... rediculously easy to get 20dc
43:16 <Mort-> Are bards and inquisitors
43:34 <Mort-> I don't think you can pay a wizard/sorc
43:43 <Mort-> To let the demon hit him
44:04 <Ausk> yeah, i dont think bards are going to stand toe to toe either
44:19 <Mort-> Still marginally believable
44:35 <Mort-> The wizard or sorc will be miles away
44:45 <Mort-> They should give it to paladins
45:04 <Mort-> Though i think its an evil act to do that
45:06 <Ausk> not really a paladin type spell
45:16 <Mort-> Sort of against the pally code
45:17 <Ausk> its a necromancy spell
45:30 <Mort-> Give it to the magus i think he wouldn't mind
45:39 <Mort-> He needs to stand close too.
45:49 <Ausk> ugh my brain hurts mort... make it stop
46:02 <Mort-> Go to bed or something
46:08 <Mort-> Sometimes lying down helps
46:24 <Ausk> i already tried
46:30 <Ausk> when i lay down i get nausious
46:37 <Mort-> Ice pack?
46:47 <Mort-> Asprin?
46:50 <Ausk> I think im going to make a magus
46:55 <Ausk> that uses a whip
47:08 <Mort-> War wrecker already did that
47:15 <Ausk> so what
47:18 <Mort-> I'm just going to charge around :p
47:25 * Mort- shrugs
48:57 <Ausk> i just need to focus on something
49:05 <Brunius> A wizard/sorceror multiclass could be..interesting
49:06 Ausk is now known as Steven
49:17 <Steven> eh.....
49:24 <Steven> not a good idea
49:45 <Steven> both of those need an ability score fairly high at an 18-20
49:59 * Mort- just charges a bit
50:32 <Steven> ok.  I'm doing it.
50:37 <Steven> doing the thing i said ide never do
50:49 <Steven> im building... a paladin
50:55 <Brunius> Yay paladins!
51:04 <Steven> for one whole level
51:25 <Brunius> :(
51:33 <Brunius> Paladins are great
51:43 <Steven> at which point he will lose all his powers for murdering an innocent
51:52 <Mort-> Get away from me
52:05 <Mort-> Pallies make me twitch!
52:34 <Steven> me too mort, me too
53:19 <Steven> i cant do it!  iopened up d20 and the pdf, wrote in paladin
53:22 <Steven> and i felt such disgust
55:30 <Brunius> What's wrong with paladins?
56:02 <Steven> goody goody lawful boring bots of suck
56:05 <Hydrazine> superman syndrome.
56:22 <Hydrazine> the inability to avoid walking into a trap with the right kind of bait.
56:53 <Quince> GOODNIGHT. Or whatever time it is where you are.
56:57 <Quince> :3
57:16 <Brunius> 1:57pm
57:17 <Brunius> :P
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57:20 <Brunius> Night
57:21 <Quince> well damn
57:42 <Steven> seriously... i feel dirty after considering making a paladin
57:47 <Mort-> Yes
57:56 <Duhz> I always feel dirty after I consider.
58:03 <Mort-> Pallies are trouble magnets
58:09 <Mort-> Put a damsel in distress
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58:26 <Mort-> And they will run in. Leaving their brains behind at the door
58:28 <Duhz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc
58:29 <Steven> think ill make a ranger
58:53 <Mort-> And ill have issues later partying with a paladin i think
58:57 <Duhz> ...right?
59:04 <Mort-> I chose that path to walk
59:14 <Steven> yeah a half orc ranger
59:16 <Brunius> But Mort-: My INT is 10!
59:19 <Brunius> I can't help it!
59:34 <Duhz> I'm tired of my players assuming 10 int is retarded.
59:47 <Brunius> It isn't, I know.
59:50 <Duhz> Bah
59:57 <Mort-> Your int is 10
00:21 <Steven> Maybe its because i know a lot of people and if a 10 is average intelligence for a human
00:25 <Steven> well...
00:27 <Mort-> But it drops by -9 when there is a damsel in distress
00:30 <Steven> 10 is retarded
00:32 <Duhz> true.
00:43 <Duhz> Think how stupid the average person is
00:50 <Duhz> then remember half of them are dumber than that.
01:38 <Duhz> Also, alots of time when no one says anything after I do.
01:58 <Duhz> .....I feel real dim.
02:04 <Duhz> It's like the story of my likfe.
02:07 <Duhz> life*
02:09 <Hydrazine> Yes. it is.
02:18 <Duhz> Also, good night!
02:40 <Mort-> Hydra. Want to do a pally sometime? :p
02:44 <Steven> the Shifter looks pretty cool
02:54 <Steven> ranger shapeshift
02:59 <Steven> interesting idea
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03:46 <Hydrazine> Do a pally?
03:48 <Mort-> Pallies.Really.
03:49 <Hydrazine> ...Is she hot?
03:54 <Mort-> Roll one
03:55 <Mort-> Lol
03:57 <Steven> hopefully
04:11 <Steven> how can you tell if a paladin is sexy?
04:17 <Hydrazine> Roll her? Well, I guess we got to get her in the right position..
04:21 <Steven> if shes got a CHA of 14+!
04:24 <Mort-> I tell you i can't believe i actually played a pally in baldurs gate
04:46 <Mort-> You dirty minded toots
05:04 <Steven> im male, what do you expect?
05:28 <Mort-> Lets just say i don't have much knowlegd about that part of human biology
05:33 <Mort-> And i don't intend to pick it up
06:11 <Mort-> Which may explain why i don't understand one stuff
06:15 <Mort-> Some
06:17 <Mort-> Does every guy think about it?
06:34 <Steven> every guy think about what?
06:35 <Steven> sex?
06:53 <Mort-> Just wait till you're playing a game with 15 year old kids
07:05 <Mort-> Aka our pally bru here
07:27 <Hydrazine> Its pretty mean of you to assume we lack all self control, Mort.
07:41 <Steven> I dont lack self control i just refuse to excersize it
07:44 <Mort-> Oh I'm sorry.
08:27 * Steven quit drinking, smoking, drugs, and sleeping with a different person every few days
08:42 <Mort-> I think we cross dressed a lot last game
09:05 <Hydrazine> And really, I try not to get into much sexual nature stuff in games, because I've seen it get REALLY awkward and I don't want to be a part of that.
09:10 <Steven> i think ive earned the right to be fairly crude so long as im not openly and maliciously mean to a person
09:18 <Avatar> it's good when it's a quick joke
09:20 <Avatar> but nothing more
09:25 <Hydrazine> Yar, Avatar.
09:32 <Avatar> there's a spell called unnatural lust I think
09:33 <Hydrazine> Hah.
09:37 <Steven> yeah...
09:39 <Steven> there is
09:45 <Mort-> I'm not using it
09:46 <Hydrazine> We had a game once where a player rolled a female centaur fighter.
09:48 <Avatar> but I wouldn't take that into too much detail
09:51 <Hydrazine> It was hilarious.
09:52 <Steven> and ive seen it cast on a person
10:09 <Steven> and while it made the fight easier... it was disturbing the situation that was set up
10:24 <Mort-> And?
10:25 <Avatar> I mean consider zarta the paracountess
10:28 <Brunius> ha
10:34 <Mort-> Oh dear
10:37 <Steven> It had to do with a Guard Captain and a Shadow Mastiff
10:42 <Hydrazine> One of the other partymembers kept calling her a horse. pronounced like whore-ssss
10:44 <Mort-> Oh no
10:49 <Avatar> hahaha
10:56 <Hydrazine> Paracountess?
10:59 <Steven> and the Shadow mastiff was not the catcher.
11:03 <Hydrazine> Is she the really skanky BDSM one?
11:08 <Avatar> the cheliax faction leader
11:40 <Mort-> So the captain screwed the mastiff?
11:46 <Hydrazine> She showed up in one of the first steps ones?
11:56 <Mort-> The one with the imp!
12:08 <Mort-> Get the box remember?
12:19 <Steven> i think to be accurate
12:24 <Steven> the shadow mastiff screwed the captain.
12:45 <Mort-> In a good sense or a bad one?
12:56 <Steven> there was ntohing good about it
13:38 <Mort-> So. The captain cast it on the mastiff to begin with?
13:58 <Steven> no, a party member cast it ont he captain
13:58 <Hydrazine> Yeah... Thats.. awkward, Steven.
14:06 <Steven> and then we slaughtered the guard crew
14:12 <Steven> and then the captain
14:22 <Mort-> Ok.
14:26 <Avatar> wow that's really wrong
14:30 <Steven> yeah...
14:44 <Steven> but hte shadow mastiff had a good time
14:50 <Steven> sex and a bite to eat...
14:58 <Thelen> XD
15:03 <Mort-> I think i shouldn't think about it
15:10 <Avatar> that's really really wrong
15:19 * Mort- obliviates the memory
15:21 <Brunius> This has turned from wierd to wierder to really bloody wierd
15:23 <Mort-> It never happened
15:25 <Brunius> /clear
16:03 <Hydrazine> So anyway.
16:10 <Hydrazine> My fighter's a badass.
16:15 <Hydrazine> And I kinda want to make a crane monk.
16:25 <Hydrazine> See if its as effective as it looks.
16:26 <Mort-> Feel free :p
16:32 <Steven> monks...
16:36 <Hydrazine> But two monks back to back feels kind of silly.
16:42 <Steven> so awesome and yet at the same time
16:43 <Steven> so not
16:49 <Hydrazine> yeah, I know.
17:00 <Hydrazine> Its pretty annoying how much they get shafted in some ways.
17:31 <Mort-> What is crane style
17:34 <Mort-> Exactly
17:40 <Mort-> People keep talking about it
17:45 <Steven> seriously its like he is bending someone over a barrel while at the same time getting bent over a barrel
17:49 <Mort-> And yes. I don't understand
18:14 <Hydrazine> Monks?
18:28 <Hydrazine> They sound so cool, they get so many cool abilities, but they get hit so hard by MAD.
20:02 <Brunius> MAD?
20:30 <Hydrazine> multiple ability dependancy.
20:46 <Hydrazine> the fact that a capable monk needs high str, dex, wis, and decent con.
20:57 <Brunius> mm
25:06 <Mort-> Why does crane style need to be monk
25:28 <Steven> because they are style feats
25:33 <Hydrazine> because a master of styles monk can have crane style finished at level 6.
25:45 <Mort-> Ah
26:08 <Hydrazine> Still don't see why it might be really powerful, Mort?
26:10 <Mort-> I heard of a fox gus who picked up crane style
26:29 <Mort-> I don't have book in front of me aum
26:30 <Mort-> Atm
27:47 <Hydrazine> first part, take only a -2 attack for fighting defensively, and gain 3 AC.
28:17 <Steven> bwahahahahha
28:26 <Hydrazine> second, once per round, ignore an attack that does beat your ac.
28:40 <Steven> im making a Wild stalker Ranger
28:49 <Steven> and im calling him Garruk
29:03 <Brunius> Call him Strider
29:05 <Avatar> where does it say once per round, ignore an attack that beats your ac
29:21 <Avatar> not under the crane style feat?
29:36 <Hydrazine> crane wing.
30:05 <Hydrazine> only when fighting defensively/total defense, aware of the attack, and not-flatfooted.
30:15 <Avatar> yeah that's pretty sweet
30:18 <Hydrazine> Which seem like pretty reasonable stipulations.
30:43 <Hydrazine> Consider that theres a way to do this at level 2.
30:48 <Hydrazine> Worth it, Avatar?
31:55 <Avatar> you'd be borderline invincible at lower levels wouldn't you
32:15 <Hydrazine> I think I could manage 20 AC pretty reasonably.
32:16 <Steven> yeah you end up really hard to kill at lower levels
32:17 <Hydrazine> Maybe 21.
32:30 <Hydrazine> Hey Mort
32:31 <Steven> we have a person who has a character that uses that
32:38 <Avatar> Snicker's AC is still 16 with mage armor
32:40 <Hydrazine> Oh, you can't youtube on that thing can I?
32:46 <Avatar> I'm not sure what to do to get it to 20+
33:06 <Mort-> I can hit 21 fine
33:09 <Avatar> doesn't have a ring of protection, but I'm not getting a +4 ring
33:22 <Hydrazine> 10 base+4dex+3 wis+2 fighting defensively+1 crane style.
33:30 <Steven> Dont know if i should become a human or a half orc
33:39 <Steven> for my ranger
33:45 <Avatar> I always struggle with that choice but I keep coming back to human
33:45 <Hydrazine> what kind of ranger?
33:56 <Avatar> I keep hearing ranger is really the weakest class in the game
34:01 <Steven> Wild Stalker
34:07 <Steven> named Garruk
34:10 <Steven> bwahgahahaha
34:12 <Hydrazine> Why, Avatar?
34:23 <Avatar> other classes can do what they do better
34:25 <Mort-> I am half orc
34:32 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
34:41 <Hydrazine> I think ranger's the best way to go for TWF.
34:55 <Avatar> isn't fighter better for TWF
35:03 <Hydrazine> dex requirements
35:04 <Steven> they are a utility class that can tank a little, dps a little, cast a little
35:17 <Avatar> fighters can have dex
35:31 <Hydrazine> at what cost?
35:33 <Steven> jack of all trades master of none
35:40 <Avatar> what do you mean
35:44 <Hydrazine> its 17 dex for imp twf isn't it?
35:51 <Avatar> so give the fighter 17 dex
36:04 <Brunius> what does imp twf do?
36:12 <Hydrazine> a second offhand attack.
36:16 <Mort-> 2nd off hand
36:24 <Steven> yeah, but the ranger doesnt have to qualify for those feats, he can just take them
36:38 <Hydrazine> exactly why I think rangers are better for twf, steven.
36:38 <Steven> he can be str build and take imp twf
36:42 <Hydrazine> ^
36:52 <Mort-> Some do ranger rogue
36:57 <Mort-> Some do fighter rogue
37:05 <Steven> its why if all you are looking for is a twf ranger will be the better choice
37:14 <Steven> if you looking for say a twf that is a trip master
37:16 <Steven> fighter is better
37:26 <Mort-> I miss darkwhite
37:36 <Mort-> He's fluffei
37:43 <Hydrazine> Mort, I have some videos on youtube.
37:45 <Mort-> Fluffeh
37:47 <Mort-> Oh
37:48 <Mort-> ?g
37:55 <Hydrazine> Made by people that used to work on submarines like me.
37:59 <Avatar> yeah you're right, the fighter needs dex 17 and the ranger doesn't
38:06 <Mort-> Uh oh
38:11 <Hydrazine> So it includes some humor and insight into the sub lifestyle.
38:13 <Mort-> I have a bad feeling about this
38:13 <Steven> Think im going to go with human
38:18 <Hydrazine> Interest to see it sometime?
38:23 <Mort-> Yeah
38:28 <Mort-> But weekends
38:36 <Hydrazine> Remind me.
38:40 <Mort-> Cell atm
38:42 <Mort-> Yes.
39:03 <Mort-> Can i remind you to trip people who are flanking you as well,g
39:08 <Hydrazine> yes/
39:13 <Mort-> Instead of aoo :p
39:13 <Hydrazine> whenever i get around to playing.
39:21 <Hydrazine> no no, trip WITH my AoOs.
39:24 <Hydrazine> instead of just swining.
39:32 <Mort-> Imagine a wizard yelling trip. Jerus trip!
39:34 <Mort-> Lol
39:56 <Mort-> Are you playing on Friday?
40:06 <Mort-> You really shouldn't miss out we be goblins
44:25 <Hydrazine> oh, thats thursday.
44:25 <Hydrazine> hm.
44:25 <Steven> hmmmm
44:25 <Steven> what yall think
44:25 <Mort-> Its fking funny if you get some jokers like me around
44:25 <Steven> 18/10/14/10/12/12 for Garruk?
44:25 <Mort-> I let my hair down on that one
44:25 <Mort-> Medium armor
44:25 <Hydrazine> what combat style ranger?
44:25 <Mort-> Feel free
44:25 <Mort-> Wild shape
44:25 <Steven> two handed fighter
44:25 <Steven> cause garruk carries a huge axe...
44:25 <Mort-> i think he is going to turn into a beast though
44:25 <Hydrazine> I'd say without heavy armor you might have a bit of a problem with AC in melee.
44:25 <Steven> just hink the planeswalker
44:25 <Hydrazine> But, worth a shot.
44:25 <Brunius> planeswalker?
44:25 <Mort-> Hydra!
44:25 <Brunius> I heard planeswalker
44:25 <Hydrazine> me>
44:25 <Mort-> i bet you would make a cool goblin!
44:25 <Steven> Garruuk
44:25 <Steven> the planeswalker
44:25 <Steven> im basically making him
44:25 <Steven> only i think a ranger form rather then a druid form
44:25 <Steven> because he seems more ranger then druid to me
44:25 <Mort-> I think we be goblins shouldn't be speed run
44:25 <Brunius> kewl
44:25 <Mort-> Just enjoy the journey
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44:25 <Steven> using the wild stalker archtype
44:25 <Hydrazine> enlarged jerus' trip roll is pretty sweet..
44:25 <Steven> so at first level i get low light vision
44:25 <Steven> second level i get uncanny dodge
44:25 <Hydrazine> nice.
44:25 <Steven> 4th level i get rage
44:25 <Hydrazine> not getting flanked is cool.
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48:23 <Mort-> Avatar. Try mithirl shield for ac
48:35 <Hydrazine> a metal arm?
48:39 <Mort-> No acp
48:45 <Hydrazine> doesn't it suffer prosthetic penalty?
49:12 <Steven> yeah, but im pretty sure you could a DM into letting it be a 'flavor' change.
49:21 <Steven> reskin his arm as a metal arm
49:31 <Hydrazine> hm.
49:34 <Hydrazine> Fair enough I guess.
49:42 <Hydrazine> Aslong as you don't expect any benefits from it being metal.
49:51 <Steven> so long as he doesnt take it to a con and try to play, i dont see any harm
51:02 <Mort-> 16 ooh
51:17 <Mort-> Mr tripper!
51:52 <Hydrazine> I think that should give me pretty good odds at this level.
52:08 <Mort-> Yeah
52:21 <Mort-> Can't wait till i get to run with you again
52:26 <Mort-> Probably on Sunday
52:43 <Mort-> Sewer dragons of absalom
52:53 <Steven> hydra how are you getting a +1 to your size to a trip attempt?
53:01 <Steven> are you enlarged?
53:02 <Hydrazine> enlarge person.
53:04 <Mort-> He said enlarged
53:12 <Mort-> I can make him big
53:18 <Steven> i missed it and went searching for a feat
53:19 <Mort-> Just say the word. I will
53:22 <Hydrazine> Ah.
53:33 <Hydrazine> Nah, its just the regular mort-jerus battle tactic.
53:33 <Steven> i was like OMG I NEED THIS FEAT!
53:47 <Hydrazine> mort casts enlarge, and takes a smoke break while jerus cleans up the mess.
53:51 <Mort-> I am always happy to enlarge him
53:57 <Mort-> Yes
54:11 <Steven> okay... thinking 18/14/14/10/12/8
54:13 <Mort-> Standard operational procedure
54:18 <Hydrazine> SOP.
54:20 <Mort-> Better i think
54:24 <Mort-> Yeah
54:27 <Hydrazine> Do we number the OPs or is that tooo far?
54:37 <Mort-> Just doing it the long way
54:38 <Steven> nobody asking you mort! ;-p
54:46 <Mort-> For those who aren't in military
55:23 <Hydrazine> I'm not. Anymore.
55:26 <Hydrazine> Thank god.
55:46 <Steven> oh wait, what am i doing, rangers dont need int at all
55:50 <Steven> another dump stat woot
55:56 <Mort-> Ah
56:03 <Mort-> The only problem comes when there is no space to enlarge
56:13 <Steven> goin back up to 10 con
56:17 <Steven> i mean cha
56:23 <Mort-> Or we are caught by suprise
56:40 <Hydrazine> Not bad, Steven.
57:32 <Mort-> I did dump int on grull
57:42 <Mort-> Didn't dump cha though
59:19 <Brunius> I had decided that I wouldn't dump anything
59:29 <Brunius> Trying to roll with this gunslinger might change my mind though
00:14 <Steven> I'm trying to make my char as close as i can to Garruk Wildspeaker
02:06 <Steven> pretty sweet how i get Low Light vision
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07:10 <Steven> hey if you put a point into linguistics if its not a class skill do you still learn a new language?
07:17 <Mort-> Already have it as half orc
07:23 <Mort-> Id say yes
07:30 <Mort-> I am a halforc
07:54 <Mort-> In ranger form
08:08 <Mort-> I need to level peeps up
08:46 <Hydrazine> ever see anyone focus on improvised weapons?
08:57 <Mort-> Not yet.
09:13 <Hydrazine> asking the channel at large here.
09:13 <Mort-> But if i had a monkey familiar i would want him to have that.
09:16 <Steven> yup
09:25 <Mort-> To throw monkey poo :p
09:28 <Steven> he just threw whatever was at hand
09:38 <Steven> chairs, rocks, dead bodies
09:49 <Hydrazine> how effective was this?
09:53 <Hydrazine> particularly later on?
09:58 <Steven> more so later on
09:59 <Mort-> How do you throw dead bodies
10:16 <Mort-> Giant or something?
10:16 <Steven> you pick up the dead body(move action) throw dead body at enemy
10:18 <Steven> standard
10:39 <Mort-> What race was he
10:42 <Steven> str of 31 at level 20
10:50 <Steven> it was in 3.5
11:08 <Steven> human if i remember correctly
11:13 <Steven> was a barbarian
11:21 <Mort-> How do you calculate the damage of an improvised weapon
11:34 <Steven> the Dm had a table worked out
11:38 <Steven> couldnt tell you what it was
11:49 <Hydrazine> hulking hurler?
11:50 <Steven> i do know that a human was 1d8
11:58 <Hydrazine> centaur hulking hurler was so OP.
12:11 <Steven> because my body was thrown at someone once
12:18 <Mort-> Your body?
12:22 <Steven> and i felt very proud that even dead i did 1d8 points of damage
12:23 <Hydrazine> did you crit?
12:26 <Steven> no...
12:28 <Mort-> He threw your dead bodyg,
12:29 <Hydrazine> aw.
12:31 <Mort-> Oh god
12:40 <Steven> i know right...
12:41 <Mort-> Its called no respect for the dead
12:46 <Steven> throwing a team mate should auto crit
12:50 <Hydrazine> its called efficiency!
12:57 <Hydrazine> Even in death, steven still fights.
12:59 * Mort- is disgusted
13:08 <Steven> brb, need more meds
13:14 <Mort-> You would throw your teammates body.h
13:16 <Mort-> ?
13:23 <Mort-> No respect for the dead
13:26 <Steven> yes i would
13:39 <Mort-> I'm ok throwing cats 
13:40 <Mort-> Goblins
13:47 <Hydrazine> Once, Mort, Master Ki ended up fighting a flying enemy.
13:50 <Mort-> But not your team mates
13:53 <Hydrazine> And hes an elf monk.
14:02 <Hydrazine> So we had our local barbarian throw me at the enemy.
14:08 <Hydrazine> It didn't work, but it was still entertaining.
14:10 <Mort-> Throwing the gnome is morally acceptable though
14:17 <Mort-> You were willing to do it!
14:25 <Mort-> That's the difference
14:33 <Hydrazine> Dead Steven was willing!
14:46 <Mort-> He couldn't have said that
14:48 <Mort-> Because he was dead
14:53 <Hydrazine> He didn't say he wasn't..
15:10 <Mort-> I think this is an evil act.
15:26 <Mort-> Throwing a willing subject at something is ok
15:39 <Mort-> Throwing your deceased team mates is not
15:58 <Steven> if they had cast speak with dead
16:00 <Steven> and asked me
16:02 <Steven> i would have said okay
16:10 <Mort-> Then they should have
16:16 <Mort-> Id be totally disgusted
16:16 <Hydrazine> in the middle of combat?
16:20 <Mort-> Yes
16:27 <Hydrazine> hold on, lets stop and ask him if throwing him is okay.
16:41 <Hydrazine> you bad guys are just gonna wait, right? We'll be quick.
16:50 <Mort-> Ya but. The whole idea is revolting
17:08 <Hydrazine> I'd think throwing pretty much anything else would be more effective.
17:11 <Steven> god mort... stop applying your moral filter to everything...
17:14 <Hydrazine> But thats my major concern.
17:15 <Mort-> You know you try to deliver the corpse to the family in as decent condition as possible
17:21 <Steven> sometimes dead bodies must be flung!
17:31 <Mort-> Its just wrong
17:41 <Steven> according to you! im totaly okay with it
17:42 <Steven> lol
17:45 <Hydrazine> Sorry Mort, but your school of ethics is not shared by absolutely everyone.
17:54 <Mort-> No way
18:12 <Hydrazine> We understand that your opposed, but its just a story about a past event and not worth all this hub-bub.
18:17 <Steven> just killed me a spider
18:18 * Mort- is just disgusted at the louts here
18:43 <Steven> so... what ya think i should take as my animal companion
18:49 <Hydrazine> Shark!
19:01 <Steven> hydra do you play magic the gathering?
19:02 <Mort-> I wanted to ride a gigantic wolf into combat
19:05 <Hydrazine> No.
19:11 <Mort-> But i think they only come in medium :(
19:20 <Hydrazine> Be a small ranger?
19:22 <Avatar> mort I reckon you would make a good paladin
19:23 <Mort-> Need to get a horse if i have to ride
19:34 <Mort-> I'm half orc.
19:39 <Mort-> I'm not a paladin.
19:40 <Avatar> ok half orc paladin
19:54 <Mort-> I sold my soul for heals.
19:56 <Mort-> :p
20:01 <Avatar> ha
20:02 <Steven> hydra
20:03 <Hydrazine> Its funny how you're all like..
20:07 <Steven> the insperation for this character
20:08 <Hydrazine> Game efficiency > morals
20:08 <Avatar> I can appreciate that
20:10 <Hydrazine> about some areas.
20:19 <Hydrazine> And morals morals morals in others.
20:20 <Avatar> closes the wounds
20:22 <Avatar> that's all I care about
20:39 <Mort-> Just wrong
20:54 <Mort-> I mean maybe I'm applying real life logic to it
21:00 <Steven> http://wizards.com/Magic/Multiverse/planeswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/multiverse/planeswalkers/garruk
21:12 <Hydrazine> Its not logic, its personal ethics.
21:27 <Hydrazine> And you're allowed to feel how you want, but don't go shoving down my throat what YOU think is right, okay?
21:28 <Mort-> Look into this. If you sell your soul to a demon. You're the only one who is going to get fked in the end
21:38 <Mort-> Sigh
22:08 <Mort-> I mean i fully empathize with characters like anakin sky walker
22:15 <Mort-> Arthas from wc3
22:31 <Hydrazine> I used to fight Arthas.
22:34 <Hydrazine> Then I moved on.
23:08 <Mort-> Yeah but i know and understand why they fell to the dark side
23:15 <Steven> hydra
23:19 <Steven> you look at that link?
23:21 <Mort-> If i were in their shoes. I might have done the same
23:55 <Avatar> I could never get into war3
24:05 <Avatar> I got about 2 missions into the undead campaign and gave up
25:40 <Hydrazine> He looks like a badass.
25:51 <Steven> my favorite planeswalker
26:06 <Steven> his backstory is pretty boss too
26:08 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I learned the general idea of how MTG works ages ago.
26:15 <Hydrazine> But I never really got fully into it.
26:33 <Steven> at the bottom of the page is a webcomic
26:45 <Steven> and its basically his childhood
28:49 <Mort-> I am not worthy of being a pally
29:02 <Hydrazine> You'd make a great pally.
29:12 <Hydrazine> Just gotta learn how to run headfirst into bad fights.
29:17 <Steven> okay so im thinking going 6 level wild Stalker
29:29 <Steven> and then 6 levels of something else ranger/druid related
29:52 <Mort-> I don't need extra help in running into bad fights already
30:01 <Mort-> I think i do it often enough ><
30:02 <Hydrazine> Then you're set!
30:13 <Hydrazine> 3/4ths of the way to paladin
30:15 <Mort-> I can't show mercy.
30:48 <Mort-> Id probably be a bigot
30:58 <Mort-> My heart isn't big enough to forgive
31:44 <Hydrazine> paladins make great bigots.
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32:02 <Steven> they seriously do
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32:08 <Steven> its all about how they thinkt he world should be
32:11 <Mort-> I don't want to be a bigot
32:26 <Steven> goody goody and law abiding
32:31 <Hydrazine> Man.
32:43 <Hydrazine> One of the most interesting games I was in, Steven
32:44 <Steven> where you dont throw your compatriots bodies at the enemy
32:45 <Mort-> They say the greatest of them know what the value of mercy
32:50 <Hydrazine> We had a guy playing a paladin
32:50 <Mort-> And redemption is
33:22 <Hydrazine> And he was going a bit overboard with his um. agressive pursuit of cleansing evil from the world.
33:42 <Hydrazine> so much that we had a long sidebar into paladin class skills and alignment changes.
34:11 <Hydrazine> Turns out the entire character concept was to have him go overboard into antipaladin.
34:15 <Hydrazine> but it was still cool.
34:30 <Steven> we had a guy playing a paladin, who charged onto a ship that had what he assumed bad guys on it, and beat 3 of them to death in one turn
34:59 <Hydrazine> not evil huh?
35:07 <Steven> at which time the paladins god apeared before him and stripped him of his power
35:10 <Steven> then he died
35:14 <Hydrazine> ouch.
35:27 <Steven> and we stuffed him into a crate after killing the guys that killed him
35:50 <Steven> i should mention, he made fun of my god
35:54 <Steven> sarenrae
36:13 <Steven> i was telling somebody about her, and how she was the dawn flower
36:30 <Steven> and the paladin was like, yeah i met her, and i can assure you shes deflowered
36:38 <Hydrazine> ...
36:49 <Hydrazine> Pretty uh. douchebag.
36:53 <Mort-> Horribly badly rped pallies
36:59 <Steven> which is halarious, but i was the other 'tank' character
37:19 <Mort-> He should roll a fighter/barb
37:22 <Hydrazine> especially since it doesn't seem like the D&D/PFS gods really focus on monotheism.
37:28 <Mort-> If he wants to...
37:30 <Steven> and so i refused to help him the rest of the game, all the way till he died
37:47 <Mort-> You didn't kill him did you?
37:53 <Steven> basically yeah
38:01 <Steven> i didnt help him out when he stepped into it
38:08 <Steven> so he was overwhelmed
38:09 <Mort-> Pvp in pf is weird.
38:13 <Mort-> I see
38:16 <Steven> this was in a homebrew
38:21 <Mort-> Oh
38:43 <Steven> my pfs character Salvanar Coraith is based off of him
38:54 <Mort-> Sal is ok
38:55 <Hydrazine> Salv?
38:58 <Hydrazine> I like Salv.
39:04 <Mort-> At least he hasn't irritated and of us
39:04 <Steven> only this guy didnt use polearms, he just rocked a scimitar and a shield
39:43 <Steven> Salvanar is just a no nonsense guy.  Hates taldor and chelaxians
39:56 <Mort-> None of us are
40:09 <Steven> thinks gnomes are amusing, and halflings make good slaves when treated well
40:35 <Mort-> Not gnome nor halfling
40:36 <Steven> those qadarians
40:44 <Steven> soooooooooooooooo fun to rp
41:36 <Mort-> I don't think you ever figured out khaz faction did you? :p
44:35 <Steven> i dont think i ever cared
44:45 <Steven> let me check....
44:47 <Steven> nope didnt care
45:35 <Avatar> lol
46:06 <Avatar> it's not exactly meant to be a guessing game
47:05 <Mort-> True
47:22 <Mort-> Now what
47:30 <Mort-> Argh
47:34 <Mort-> Focus 
50:23 <Steven> oh yeah!
50:28 <Steven> sams getting off work early
50:35 <Steven> she'll be home at midnight
50:59 <Steven> and she doesnt work tomorow or wednesday
51:40 <Mort-> Ok
52:08 <Mort-> But i think pallies are rare
52:20 <Mort-> Ever found nice memorable ones?
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09:05 <Avatar> I loved my paladin in squirrel's run
09:16 <Avatar> didn't do much because the campaign only lasted about 3 sessions
09:55 <Mort-> What happened
10:13 <Avatar> we came across a dragon
10:24 <Avatar> and it didn't detect as evil
10:36 <Avatar> and it didn't want us to pass this area we had to get to
10:41 <Avatar> so everyone started to attack it
10:45 <Avatar> except for the paladin
10:51 <Avatar> which he didn't like
10:55 <Avatar> so he sided with the dragon
11:00 <Avatar> and he grappled the cleric
11:10 <Mort-> I see
11:16 <Mort-> Dragon killed the party?
11:19 <Avatar> there was this big argument going on during the battle about how the dragon wasn't evil
11:28 <Avatar> I think the other two managed it
11:40 <Avatar> in-character battle
11:42 <Avatar> it was fantastic
12:23 <Avatar> because it seemed like the party members were evil for attacking this poor innocent dragon
12:33 <Avatar> and the paladin wasn't having any of that
13:33 <Mort-> Not entirely surprised
13:50 <Mort-> So what exactly happened
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16:34 <Brunius> Was it a Wyvern?
16:46 <Brunius> That's actually a guardian of space and time...
16:56 <Avatar> might've been
16:57 <Avatar> I can't remember
16:58 <Brunius> (True Story. We're playing that atm at school)
16:59 <Avatar> it was nasty
17:20 <Brunius> One of the guys quit because that guy was nigh indestructible and he thought the GM was cheating
17:22 <Mort-> ?
17:31 <Brunius> Er, the dragon was nigh indestructible
18:57 <Mort-> Ok
19:11 <Mort-> So what happened exactly
20:51 <Avatar> I just told you in great detail
21:04 <Avatar> what else do you want to know
21:18 <Mort-> You said the other two managed it
21:24 <Avatar> yeah, killed it
21:43 <Avatar> we had words and then moved on
21:43 <Mort-> Does that mean the group killed the dragon and the pally?
21:51 <Avatar> no
21:53 <Avatar> just the dragon
22:08 <Avatar> we were still working towards the same mission
22:22 <Mort-> Didn't the pally like try to stop you or die trying?
22:38 <Mort-> Then what happened to the rest of the campaign
22:44 <Avatar> the GM vanished
22:54 <Mort-> Oh
22:59 <Mort-> Makes sense
23:10 <Avatar> there was more that happened later
23:20 <Mort-> What was it
23:21 <Avatar> I mean this is just an example
23:45 <Avatar> the rest of it isn't relevant
25:04 <Mort-> Just wanted to listen to stories
25:53 <Avatar> you tricked me
26:27 <Avatar> I thought you just wanted to know why paladins can be good
26:38 <Avatar> but you just wanted to hear stories
26:47 <Mort-> Oops ^^
27:01 <Mort-> I always want to hear stories
27:13 <Mort-> Now i didn't think i was bluffing you though
27:31 <Avatar> I can tell you the story of how a gunslinger needed a feat at 8th level 
30:55 <Hydrazine> is his name Buck?
31:21 <Avatar> it sure is
31:38 <Avatar> the kind of guy you don't want to mess with !
33:18 <Hydrazine> What're the likely options?
33:38 <Avatar> I don't like my shortlist that much
33:47 <Avatar> improved critical, clustered shots, bullseye shot
34:02 <Avatar> critical focus 
34:27 <Avatar> keeping in mind this is an 8th level bonus feat, and I get another one soon at 9th
34:44 <Avatar> I took dodge at 7th with the intention of getting mobility at 8th, but I'm frowning on that now
34:49 <Hydrazine> hmm.
34:55 <Hydrazine> not trying to get to shot on the run?
34:57 <Avatar> shot on the run doesn't really appeal
35:06 <Hydrazine> hm. Always seemed like a really great idea.
35:08 <Avatar> I can't think of a single time I might've been able to use it
35:23 <Thelen> hmm
35:27 <Thelen> what ac is shield
35:29 <Thelen> 1 or 2?
35:35 <Avatar> depends what kind of shield
35:39 <Hydrazine> never wanted to move and shoot from a better position and get back in cover?
35:53 <Avatar> no, especially not now that I have full attacks
37:14 <Steven> because i didnt see a druid archtype that screamed garruk at me like the wild stalker did
37:44 <Hydrazine> so i understand the idea behind vital strike, I just don't think its particularly worth it.
38:09 <Hydrazine> so what've you already got?
38:15 <Mort-> Have a good brawl
38:59 <Brunius> Pity there are no artificers in PF
39:04 <Brunius> I could make Tezz
39:05 <Mort-> What's your trip roll
39:12 <Mort-> On enlarge
39:27 <Hydrazine> awesome.
39:33 <Mort-> Explain
39:40 <Hydrazine> um.
39:41 <Mort-> I can always make you big
39:46 <Mort-> Isn't an issue
40:02 <Hydrazine> 4base+7str+2imp trip+1mw weapon+1 size +1 aoo
40:02 <Hydrazine> also, considering the reach weapon-stand still combo, it really doesn't seem particularly worth it over just tripping, unless we're discussing targets that are impossibly or highly difficult to trip.
40:03 <Steven> wizard, bonded item his metal arm
40:09 <Hydrazine> 16.
40:39 <Avatar> I've got uh
40:47 <Avatar> point blank shot, precise shot, rapid shot
40:48 <Avatar> dodge
40:53 <Avatar> extra grit
41:22 <Avatar> and deadly aim
42:16 <Hydrazine> I'd say aim towards imp. snap shot.
42:30 <Hydrazine> shooting people just for moving around within 3 squares of you?
42:31 <Hydrazine> why not?
42:44 <Avatar> it's too common a build and I want something different
42:52 <Avatar> and I don't want weapon focus
43:17 <Avatar> also I wouldn't end up getting improved snap shot until 11th level now
43:20 <Hydrazine> how often do you end up in melee?
43:27 <Avatar> it's actually a BAB 11 pre-req
43:33 <Thelen> wheres the stuff that deals with enchanting, ie +1ing
43:42 <Hydrazine> magic weapons/armor?
43:46 <Thelen> yea
43:47 <Avatar> magic items > weapons
44:05 <Hydrazine> 11 bab? is this new?
44:13 <Hydrazine> the SRD says bab 9.
44:20 <Thelen> what page no?
44:31 <Avatar> oh sorry, bab 9
44:45 <Thelen> nvm
44:46 <Avatar> Thelen: p459 in the SRD
44:49 <Thelen> found it :D
46:20 <Avatar> you know, I'd argue brilliant energy is better than vorpal
46:27 <Hydrazine> i'd agree with you
46:30 <Hydrazine> every day of the week.
46:35 <Avatar> it doesn't rely on you having to roll a 20
46:42 <Hydrazine> brilliant energy rocks.
46:48 <Avatar> vorpal seems very overrated
47:02 <Hydrazine> unfortunately, you need to ahve a total of +6 for it.
47:11 <Hydrazine> which is.. quite a bit of money.
47:28 <Steven> vorpal is only ever worth it when you either find a weapon that already has it or can craft a weapon
47:45 <Steven> otherwise its compelete jujnk
50:16 <Hydrazine> shame pin down requires level 11.
50:24 <Hydrazine> makes me sad.
50:28 <Thelen> ah sweet
50:31 <Thelen> 27AC ftw
50:35 <Hydrazine> with?
50:45 <Thelen> fighter
50:50 <Thelen> +2 armor/shield
50:56 <Thelen> so +8 +4
51:06 <Thelen> then ring prot +2, dex, dodge
51:11 <Hydrazine> ah.
51:13 <Hydrazine> level?
51:15 <Thelen> 7
51:21 <Thelen> had the same ac since lvl 5
51:25 <Thelen> 25 that is
51:34 <Thelen> till got ring prot
51:51 <Hydrazine> hmm.
52:11 <Thelen> can get 29 with another 10k gold
52:12 <Thelen> lol
52:34 <Hydrazine> my theoretical level 11 monk I made just to show Tristen up..
52:37 <Thelen> oh wait, forgot amulet of natural armour
52:40 <Hydrazine> only ended up at 29.
52:45 <Mort-> I can have vorpal at level 5
52:48 <Hydrazine> But its 29 touch too, and 19 flatfooted.
52:49 <Mort-> :p
52:54 <Thelen> LOL
52:58 <Avatar> vorpal is stupidly expensive mort
53:08 <Mort-> Its free for me
53:29 <Avatar> Thelen; where are those +8 +4 bonuses coming from
53:29 <Mort-> But brilliant energy why bother
53:34 <Hydrazine> um, how, Mort?
53:40 <Mort-> Everyone is going to be a monster
53:43 <Hydrazine> Ah, right.
53:45 <Hydrazine> hm.
54:02 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I'd rather take keen or speed over vorpal.
54:02 <Mort-> Level 5 select enchantment vorpal instead of speed
54:09 <Mort-> Its all natural armor 
54:18 <Mort-> Nothing to brilliant energy out one
54:20 <Mort-> Of
54:44 <Hydrazine> brilliant energy isn't on your list.
54:51 <Mort-> It can be
54:57 <Thelen> Avatar breastplate and shield
55:05 <Mort-> Take one more magus arcana.
55:09 <Avatar> tower shield?
55:15 <Thelen> heavy
55:48 <Avatar> a heavy shield gives +2
55:54 <Thelen> and +2d
55:55 <Avatar> is it a +2 heavy shield
56:00 <Thelen> yea
56:19 <Avatar> and +2 breastplate
56:22 <Thelen> yea
56:29 <Avatar> yeah sounds right
58:30 <Thelen> and i still have 3.7k to spend
00:32 <Hydrazine> very defensive fighter?
01:13 <Avatar> consumables
01:17 <Avatar> buy potions of lesser restoration
01:37 <Hydrazine> This is how I always think of Jerus' hammer, in my head. Maybe a little bigger though.
01:38 <Hydrazine> http://imgur.com/GcyEM
01:47 <Avatar> and antitoxins and antiplagues and remove blindness/paralysis/curse/whatever else there is
02:26 <Thelen> Hydrazine not realy
02:29 <Thelen> 30ft movement still :D
02:46 <Avatar> boots of springing and striding would be good for you if you had another 2k
03:02 <Hydrazine> Wouldn't a level 7 fighter have 30ft movement anyway?
03:12 <Avatar> 40ft is much sexier
03:40 <Hydrazine> Unless you archetype'd away armor training.
04:43 <Thelen> well
04:45 <Thelen> no
04:49 <Thelen> depends on the armour
04:54 <Hydrazine> Not really.
05:05 <Thelen> true actaully
05:10 <Hydrazine> How so?
05:39 <Avatar> hitomi is a pure fighter
05:53 <Hydrazine>  At 7th level, a fighter can move at his normal speed while wearing heavy armor.
06:00 <Thelen> really?
06:02 <Hydrazine> ...
06:05 <Hydrazine> l2 armor training.
06:07 <Thelen> anyway, yea cos i did darkwood
06:08 <Thelen> and so on
06:22 <Hydrazine> level 7 pure fighter can move 30ft in whatever he wants.
06:35 <Thelen> really?
06:43 <Thelen> where it says that?
06:47 <Hydrazine> Armor training?
06:49 <Thelen> should get full plate :/
07:05 <Hydrazine> This is what I've been getting at the whole time.
07:13 <Thelen> idk
07:16 <Thelen> was a reason before i didn't have it
07:29 <Hydrazine> You couldn't move full speed in heavy until 7.
07:33 <Thelen> oh rigft
07:51 <Mort-> Thelen
07:52 <Hydrazine> So full plate to the rescue?
08:01 <Mort-> Can you find me tristen?
09:55 <Thelen> perhaps
10:17 <Mort-> Oh thanks.
10:23 <Thelen> i mean full plate
10:27 <Thelen> find him urself Mort- u have his skype
10:37 <Mort-> Id give you cookies but I'm not a lemur now
10:46 <Hydrazine> Whats that got to do with cookies?
10:49 <Mort-> Im at work on cell thelen
11:07 <Mort-> Only lemurs can give others cookies
11:13 <Mort-> Also thelen.
11:25 <Mort-> Have you been  enlarged lately,g
11:26 <Mort-> ?
11:32 <Thelen> ura
11:35 <Mort-> What's your standard attack roll like
11:43 <Mort-> As in enlarge person
12:00 * Mort- eyes thelen speculatively
12:09 <Thelen> oh now i rmember
12:12 <Thelen> less dex bonus
12:39 <Mort-> Yes on enlarge
12:48 <Mort-> So would you like to be?
12:58 <Mort-> You gain 10 ft reach
14:53 <Thelen> 10 or 5?
15:02 <Hydrazine> 10ft reach total.
15:04 <Thelen> right
15:58 <Mort-> And which games are you going to be around with this week end
16:52 <Thelen> friday
16:56 <Thelen> since haven't done 1st steps 2
17:06 <Mort-> Its changed
17:09 <Mort-> We be goblins
17:16 <Thelen> meh done that enough
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17:30 <Mort-> Ask ballig
17:37 <Mort-> Though
18:09 <Thelen> the question is
18:16 <Mort-> ?
18:24 <Thelen> do i keep my shield or just always 2 handed weild
18:47 <Thelen> shield is +4 ac
18:48 <Mort-> Personally i wouldnt even bother about shield :p
18:57 <Mort-> But I'm that kind of person
18:57 <Thelen> 2 handed only gives 4 more damage :/
19:04 <Thelen> though im not 100% sure of that calculation
19:12 <Mort-> I think its not right
19:14 <Hydrazine> share the math?
19:35 <Hydrazine> str, other damage modifiers and so on
19:48 <Thelen> 5+2 two handed, 4+2 power attack, 1 +1d, then +4, coming from wep spec and some other stuff
19:56 <Mort-> There is a big damage difference when jerus is using his polearm
20:00 <Mort-> And a fail
20:03 <Hydrazine> level 7?
20:07 <Mort-> Flail
20:17 <Hydrazine> power attack 2 handed at level 7 is -2 attack roll, +6 damage.
20:26 <Thelen> what?
20:31 <Thelen> i thought it was -2 +4
21:07 <Hydrazine> "This bonus to
21:07 <Hydrazine> damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making
21:07 <Hydrazine> an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed
21:07 <Hydrazine> weapon using two hands"
21:24 <Thelen> yeap that is the 5+2
21:51 <Hydrazine> ...I don't understand how you get these numbers.
21:57 <Thelen> mekkis did it
22:01 <Thelen> rapidly
22:03 <Thelen> at last con
22:04 <Avatar> it all becomes clear
22:40 <Hydrazine> how much strength?
22:41 <Hydrazine> 20?
22:43 <Thelen> 21
22:51 <Thelen> so +%
22:54 <Thelen> +5
23:01 <Hydrazine> so 7 two handed.
23:33 <Thelen> yea
24:40 <Hydrazine> 7str+6pa.
24:50 <Hydrazine> +whatever else.
25:01 <Hydrazine> I don't think the rest changes with how many hands you use.
25:03 <Thelen> the 4+2 was including another 50% of something
25:54 <Hydrazine> and mort, Jerus has never used a one handed weapon in a game.
26:18 <Mort-> Fs1^^
26:25 <Hydrazine> heavy flail. 2 handed.
26:31 <Mort-> Oh
26:34 <Hydrazine> damage doesn't change that much.
26:41 <Thelen> yea
26:45 <Mort-> I only keep thinking you got stick or no long stick
26:47 <Thelen> i have 14 vs 18
26:56 <Thelen> for 2 handed
27:07 <Hydrazine> I agree, Thelen.
27:13 <Hydrazine> I'd say the shield is more worth it.
27:21 <Thelen> yea
27:23 <Thelen> though with 73 hp
27:28 <Thelen> i can already take a beating
27:28 <Thelen> hhaha
27:45 <Hydrazine> Built like that, I'd say damage can be someone else's job.
27:56 <Thelen> dealing or taking?
28:18 <Mort-> Declining
28:21 <Mort-> Dealing
28:24 <Mort-> :p
28:37 <Thelen> wut?
28:40 <Mort-> Jerus is very...offensive actually
28:43 <Thelen> i do average 40 damage per round :D
28:49 <Mort-> Hrm
28:51 <Hydrazine> Pretty good.
29:03 <Mort-> So. Do you want to be enlarged or not
29:10 <Thelen> did you mean dealing or taking Hydrazine?
29:24 <Thelen> thats not inc the 1d10
29:30 <Hydrazine> I meant dealing. But I guess you're doing okay there too.
29:31 <Thelen> or 2nd attack from full round or cleave
29:50 <Thelen> +1d10 for vital strike if its full round
30:00 <Hydrazine> uh.
30:02 <Thelen> er, if its not
30:15 <Hydrazine> Honestly I think vital strike is pretty weak.
30:18 <Thelen> it is
30:20 <Thelen> i regret
30:23 <Thelen> fighter is stupid
30:25 <Thelen> nothing stacks
30:32 <Thelen> u can't stack cleave with full round
30:35 <Thelen> everyone else can
30:40 <Thelen> archers for example
30:48 <Thelen> full + rapid + haste, they get 4 hits!
31:01 <Thelen> anyway
31:14 <Thelen> so question is, what is my armour worth atm >_<
31:22 <Mort-> Trist doesn't hit too hard per hit
31:34 <Mort-> He hits many times though
31:39 <Thelen> +1 masterwork breastplate. should be somewhere around 1k + 200 + 150 or something
31:44 <Hydrazine> oskar at equal level does about the same as Jerus last I checked.
31:48 <Mort-> Get plate
31:57 <Mort-> That's why i wish to talk to him.
32:12 <Mort-> His arrows could do more damage...
32:20 <Thelen> what increases the max dex bonus of armour?
32:21 <Hydrazine> how so?
32:27 <Hydrazine> armor training.
32:32 <Mort-> You already know the answer
32:33 <Hydrazine> mithril.
32:34 <Thelen> oh really?
32:36 <Mort-> Hydra
32:37 <Hydrazine> but i think thats about it.
32:41 <Thelen> so my armour training turns full plate from max +1
32:44 <Thelen> to max +2 or so?
32:51 <Mort-> Yeah mithril armor rocks
32:57 <Hydrazine> actually.
33:04 <Hydrazine> +3 with full plate.
33:06 <Thelen> wish all this stuff was put in 1 place instead of spread out
33:09 <Thelen> oh yea
33:13 <Thelen> cos 2x armour training levels
33:55 <Hydrazine> If it helps to understand, I have professional experience in memorizing how several large rulebooks fit together.
34:02 <Thelen> hehehe
34:12 <Thelen> hows that?
34:21 <Hydrazine> I used to operate a nuclear power plant.
34:28 <Thelen> oh yea i remmeber that
34:28 <Thelen> lol
34:34 <Thelen> then u failed
34:38 <Thelen> and chernobyl happened
34:39 <Thelen> mirite?
34:40 <Hydrazine> The reactor plant manual is about four feet across.
34:54 <Hydrazine> No, I did my time and left.
34:58 <Thelen> >_>
35:22 <Thelen> ya
35:34 <Thelen> i've seen nasa manuals
35:36 <Thelen> they are as big
35:48 <Thelen> the manual for that thing that carrier the shuttle from the hanger
35:50 <Thelen> to the pad
35:57 <Thelen> is huge
35:58 <Thelen> lol
36:06 <Hydrazine> and then all the subsystems have their own manuals..
36:11 <Thelen> hahga
36:11 <Thelen> yea
36:21 <Thelen> i think i might have 31 AC
36:24 <Mort-> I'm  bad with rules.
36:30 <Hydrazine> steam system manual, reactor control panel manuals..
36:31 <Thelen> if my calculations are correct
36:31 <Thelen> lol
36:41 * Mort- turns green with envy and is really jealous
36:42 <Hydrazine> whatcha got?
36:43 <Mort-> Lol
36:49 <Thelen> with full plate and shield
36:54 <Thelen> lol
37:00 <Thelen> needa do all the maths again to be sure
37:24 <Thelen> oh wait
37:25 <Thelen> 30
37:30 <Thelen> can't go over +10 for the plate
37:42 <Hydrazine> huh?
37:43 * Mort- cries because her mithril full plate will cost 10650 gp
37:46 <Mort-> He can
37:47 <Thelen> A suit of armor cannot have an effective
37:47 <Thelen> bonus
37:47 <Thelen> (enhancement
37:47 <Thelen> plus special ability bonus equivalents)
37:48 <Thelen> higher than +10.
37:50 <Mort-> Armor training
38:01 <Hydrazine> how the hell were you getting even close to +10?
38:02 <Mort-> That's how much you can enchanted it
38:04 <Mort-> You nub
38:10 <Thelen> full plate is +9 to start with
38:15 <Hydrazine> they mean magic.
38:18 <Thelen> oh
38:20 <Thelen> LOL
38:21 <Hydrazine> you can't have +10 full plate.
38:23 <Mort-> That's not enchanted
38:26 <Thelen> ohh
38:27 <Hydrazine> for 19 ac from armor
38:35 <Thelen> right
38:38 * Mort- jumps on thelen and slaps him silly
38:38 <Avatar> that sounds like the same mistake tristen was about to make
38:39 <Hydrazine> or rather, +11 for 20 flat.
38:49 <Avatar> with his +1 composite longbow +2
38:54 <Thelen> lol
38:55 <Avatar> or whatever it is
39:04 <Thelen> reads like that to me, but whatever :D
39:24 <Thelen> now what do i make it out of to reduce the armour check penalty, cos i like swimming :D
39:32 <Avatar> mithril
39:39 <Thelen> can't afford that i think
39:56 <Hydrazine> -2 acp from armor training.
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40:11 <Thelen> -1 from masterwork
40:14 <Avatar> -1 acp if you took the armour expert trait !
40:34 <Thelen> and do u get less acp when u +1 it?
40:39 <Hydrazine> no
41:24 <Hydrazine> enlarged hitomi with stand still..
41:28 <Hydrazine> now that sounds scary.
41:34 <Thelen> lol
41:41 <Thelen> on my current sheet
41:55 <Thelen> i have 0 acp
42:02 <Hydrazine> good?
42:03 <Thelen> so thats from -4 on the breastplate to 0
42:06 <Mort-> What's the stand still thing
42:21 <Thelen> so must be another acp we're missing
42:23 <Hydrazine> do you see why enlarge and stand still would work for you?
42:30 <Thelen> not sure what the later is
42:52 <Hydrazine> a feat that allows you to roll a CMB as an AoO when someone moves around you.
42:58 <Thelen> haha
42:58 <Hydrazine> success means they cannot move.
43:02 <Thelen> oh yea that feat
43:06 <Hydrazine> paired with a natural 10ft reach.
43:10 <Thelen> hah yea
43:25 <Hydrazine> means if someone walks in and you don't want them to, stand still. stop em 5 ft away.
43:38 <Mort-> How many times can he do it
43:41 <Mort-> Per round
43:42 <Hydrazine> if they're at 10ft, smack em, 5ft step in.
43:46 <Thelen> as many as AoO u have
43:57 <Hydrazine> So they can't 5ft step out to get away from you.
44:08 <Hydrazine> they have to move action. So.. stand still!
44:09 <Thelen> yea cos then they still in range :D
44:20 <Thelen> haha thats lethal
45:20 <Mort-> Thelen
45:25 <Mort-> You got combat reflexes?
45:35 <Mort-> What's your dex enlarged
45:42 <Mort-> I'm very free with enlarge person
45:49 <Mort-> Just ask me ill hand it out
47:07 <Avatar> bad guy readies an action to target mort with fireball if she casts enlarge person on the big bad fighter
47:17 <Mort-> Why :(
47:30 <Avatar> because that is deadly !
47:31 * Mort- is sad.
47:37 <Avatar> poor baby
47:38 <Hydrazine> Jerus isn't big and bad.
47:49 <Avatar> he is big and bad
47:51 <Mort-> How does badguy know I'm going to enlarge or even use it.
47:51 <Hydrazine> Hes just this guy, you know. Might even be a loopy frood.
48:00 <Mort-> Bad guy is meta gaming!
48:05 <Avatar> it's probably your signature tactic !
48:18 <Mort-> Uh.
48:19 <Hydrazine> shes moving past color spray.
48:22 <Avatar> you've developed quite a reputation !
48:25 <Mort-> We left no survivors
48:32 <Avatar> oh but there were onlookers
48:36 <Mort-> Oh wait.
48:36 <Avatar> people talk
48:38 <Hydrazine> Itzamna did the enlarging last time.
48:39 <Mort-> There were.
48:42 <Mort-> Btd2
48:49 <Avatar> a little bit of diplomacy gather info goes a long way you know
48:50 <Mort-> The captain got away :(
48:58 <Avatar> the aspis consortium and their ilk are everywhere
49:00 <Hydrazine> easy answer is break line of sight from the other caster.
49:02 <Mort-> So did most of his archers
53:42 <Hydrazine> i considered stand still for jerus.
54:09 <Hydrazine> then i realized its kinda silly compared to just tripping them, unless we're talking trip-immune.
54:55 <Mort-> Jerus is a loopy frood? :p
55:21 <Hydrazine> And he knows where his towel is
56:06 <Mort-> Yeah that's important
57:11 <Mort-> I guess it doesn't take a wizard to know like.
57:37 <Mort-> Oh the guy with a polearm just grew bigger and bigger?g
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05:02 <Mort-> I must find the ballig
05:12 <Mort-> And ask if monsters talk to each other
09:39 <Brunius> If you're consistently going up against the theives guild of X town, you could say that they talk to each other
09:59 <Brunius> If you're going up against a group of drow, then some dwarves, then some derros, then some random pirates
10:02 <Brunius> No way
10:09 <Mort-> Oh ok.
11:18 <Mort-> Could the aspis consortium tell the world that a certain elf wizard is very fond of using enlarge person on her fighter buddy?
14:09 <Brunius> I dunno.
14:19 <Brunius> How many apsis consortium members have you let get away?
15:08 <Brunius> Besides, there are many many pathfinder agents.
15:18 <Brunius> I don't think that would be logical
16:06 <Mort-> The captain and half his archers
16:11 <Mort-> We brained the rest
16:13 <Mort-> Btd2
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16:48 <Mort-> I think lots of tengu saw the fight too. But i wasn't guilty that time
25:19 <Thelen> no combat reflexes
25:27 <Thelen> might swap vital strike for it or step up
26:27 <Mort-> What's your dex
26:31 <Thelen> 2
26:31 <Mort-> I can enlarge you
26:41 <Mort-> So it will be 1
26:46 <Mort-> After i enlarge you
26:49 <Thelen> yea
26:58 <Mort-> There is a price to be paid
27:07 <Thelen> idk how much enlarged does
27:12 <Mort-> From 1d10 base you get
27:15 <Thelen> it depends on the situation
27:24 <Thelen> with my new ac it will be ok
27:29 <Thelen> before i was losing a lot
27:30 <Mort-> Your str increases by 1
27:36 <Thelen> what?
27:39 <Thelen> no one told me that!
27:51 <Mort-> As in you get +2 str
27:54 <Mort-> On enlarge
28:07 <Thelen> man, i roled d10s, AND not getting all that extra damage?
28:08 <Mort-> So its a +1 modto your damage
28:15 <Thelen> +2 with 2 handed
28:29 <Mort-> And enlarge will change your 1d
28:43 <Thelen> 1d?
28:44 <Mort-> 1d10 into something else
28:48 <Thelen> yea 2d8
29:08 <Mort-> You have been enlarged before  i see?
29:11 <Thelen> yea
29:23 <Mort-> Like it?
29:58 <Thelen> it was ok
30:02 <Thelen> kindof useful with reach
30:04 <Thelen> but i have lunge
30:10 <Thelen> so it depends on the situation
30:20 <Thelen> what i really like is fly
30:23 <Thelen> and invis
30:29 <Thelen> the potions are so cheap!
31:01 <Mort-> I won't be trying to put you into the sky
31:13 <Mort-> im not that kind of person
34:45 <Brunius> 1d10 gets changed to 2d6 I thought
35:03 <Mort-> Oh ya
35:08 <Mort-> Doesn't
35:10 <Mort-> I think
35:21 <Mort-> Its about 150 percent  base damage
35:44 <Thelen> no
35:47 <Thelen> 2d8 definitely
36:01 <Mort-> Check improved natural attack
36:02 <Thelen> from medium to large with bastard sword
36:04 <Mort-> Monsters
37:21 <Thelen> ok i have 10600gp
37:34 <Thelen> to do stuff with :D
38:11 <Brunius> Get the speed enhancement on your primary weapon
38:15 <Thelen> whats that do
38:38 <Mort-> I have an idea.
38:40 <Mort-> Haste
40:18 <Brunius> Extra attack at your highest BAB
57:13 <Hydrazine> Thelen, if you ca get enlarged often, I would say combat reflexes-stand still would be definately worth your time.
29:45 <Mort-> Oooh
29:55 <Mort-> We had tremors here
30:35 <Hydrazine> with Graboids?
35:52 <Mort-> No
36:01 <Mort-> Earth quake in sumatra
36:25 <Mort-> I felt dizzy but i thought it was because i drank too much tea
40:06 <Hydrazine> you get dizzy from drinking tea?
41:35 <Mort-> Its a Chinese thing
41:48 <Mort-> If you drink too much cooling stuff like tea is
41:51 <Mort-> You'll get dizzy
43:44 <Hydrazine> i think you asians are just crazy.
43:50 <Mort-> Lol
44:17 <Mort-> Is infernal healing and the act of using it evil?
44:29 <Thelen> yea
44:33 <Mort-> I'm getting a little too fond of that stick
44:33 <Hydrazine> picking your nose is evil
44:34 <Thelen> you give off aura of evil
44:36 <Mort-> I admit
44:45 <Thelen> how much it costs?
45:18 <Mort-> 2 pa
45:24 <Thelen> ah
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49:00 <Mort-> Can i live without it?
49:09 <Mort-> Probably yes. But bloody troublesome
49:14 <Brunius> The shining wayfinder is this?
49:56 <Thelen> yea
50:00 <Thelen> question is
50:05 <Thelen> what to make the full plate out of
50:12 <Thelen> adamantine for DR would be nice
50:37 <Thelen> ah 15k
50:38 <Thelen> fuck that
50:41 <Brunius> The shining wayfinder is only 2PA if you're from the silver crusade, I think.
50:52 <Brunius> Otherwise it's 2k gold
51:01 <Brunius> And your obtaining one is dubious
51:42 <Thelen> wut?
51:49 <Thelen> u can get wayfinder
51:52 <Thelen> once per day caste shine?
51:54 <Mort-> Each time i use it i step one step closer to the dark side
52:40 <Brunius> I missed half the conversation before jumpy joined
52:53 <Brunius> I had Mort- on ignore because she wouldn't stop PMing me
53:02 <Mort-> What?
53:14 <Mort-> Oh
53:16 <Mort-> That bit :(
53:23 <Mort-> That wasn't very noisy
54:03 <Ballig> http://www.allhomes.com.au/ah/act/sale-residential/4-berbet-street-omalley-canberra/1316816029811
54:06 <Ballig> I want to buy that house
54:19 <Hydrazine> g'night folks.
54:22 <Ballig> tata
54:26 <Brunius> night Hydrazine
54:44 <Mort-> Night hydra
54:57 <Jumpy142> Night
54:58 <Brunius> Why, Ballig?
55:08 <Ballig> why not
55:24 <Brunius> It's "price by negotiation"
55:25 <Thelen> hmmm
55:29 <Ballig> right
55:29 <Brunius> That means a heck of a lot
55:34 <Ballig> it's several million
55:35 <Thelen> i need 1 more scenario
55:40 <Thelen> for enough gold for this armour >_<
55:45 <Brunius> Thelen: Play on Saturday!
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55:55 <Thelen> and it needs to be 8-9
56:02 <Thelen> or maybe even 2
56:12 <Brunius> It's looking like the 8-9 tier atm
56:24 <Brunius> Mekkis is bringing a 9
56:25 <Thelen> i have just over 10k
56:32 <Brunius> I think Avatar is bringing a 7
57:11 <Thelen> dammit
57:14 <Thelen> 15k for adamantine
57:30 <Thelen> then 2.5k for +1 full plate
57:34 <Thelen> need a lot more >_<
57:39 <Mort-> I'm a 6
58:06 <Thelen> meh not sure 3DR is worth it
58:15 <Brunius> It says 5 on the site Mort- :P
58:25 <Brunius> Thelen: Wouldn't it be 5?
59:03 <Mort-> Oh ill fix it
59:09 <Thelen> no?
59:24 <Thelen> Armor made from
59:24 <Thelen> adamantine grants its wearer damage reduction of 1/— if
59:24 <Thelen> it’s light armor, 2/— if it’s medium armor, and 3/
59:28 <Thelen> if its hard
59:37 <Brunius> Huh
59:43 <Brunius> I thought it went in increments of 5
59:49 <Thelen> nfi
59:53 <Ballig> it's definitely 1-2-3
00:12 <Ballig> regular NPC DR is generally increments of 5
00:20 <Ballig> but this is DR x/- which is pretty special
00:22 <Thelen> yea thats right
00:40 <Brunius> That's a bit shit
01:43 <Thelen> why
01:48 <Thelen> npc dr is easy to bypass
01:51 <Thelen> usually
02:19 <Ballig> yeah
02:22 <Ballig> because it's not /-
02:58 <Mort-> Avatar
03:30 <Mort-> Did snickers shift alignment due to infernal healing wand abuse?
03:59 <Thelen> ok so lets see
04:18 <Mort-> 3 damage isn't a lot imdn
04:21 <Mort-> Imo
04:26 <Thelen> 1500 + 150 + 4k for +2 mwork full plate, does that sound right?
04:37 <Mort-> Monsters are hitting for like 40?
04:41 <Thelen> yea
04:51 <Thelen> its more useful for arrows and multiple attacks
05:56 <Brunius> Looks right to me Thelen
06:12 <Mort-> Ask oskar to shoot you a couple of times
06:13 <Thelen> hmm, to tower shield or not
06:15 <Thelen> that is the question
06:26 <Mort-> I bet it'll still be a truck load
06:41 <Mort-> Can you fight with a tower shield?
06:42 <Thelen> oh wait, -10acp
06:42 <Thelen> lol
06:44 <Thelen> yea
06:49 <Thelen> -2 to hit
06:53 <Thelen> yea not worth it
06:56 <Thelen> its only 2 extra ac
07:13 <Thelen> although
07:23 <Thelen> would make me unhitable from 1 direction
07:26 <Brunius> Yeah
07:45 <Thelen> though as a standard action
07:52 <Thelen> lets me move in
07:58 <Thelen> meh that rarely happens
07:59 <Thelen> i just charge
09:49 <Brunius> Charge ALL the things
11:21 <Thelen> yea
11:26 <Thelen> hmm
12:50 <Thelen> enchanting doesn't decrease ac?
13:05 <Ballig> decrease AC?
13:09 <Thelen> acp*
13:18 <Thelen> my sheet has it as it does
13:19 <Thelen> but.
14:14 <Ballig> masterwork does
14:16 <Ballig> but not enchanting
14:20 <Thelen> yea
14:22 <Thelen> so +1 mwork +2 armour training
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17:09 <Ballig> sounds right
19:19 <Thelen> ah crap
19:24 <Thelen> i've been forgetting about mobility :D
19:30 <Ballig> ha
19:36 <Thelen> not that it matters
19:41 <Ballig> been attracting AOOs and forgetting the +4 AC?
19:44 <Thelen> yea
19:47 <Thelen> they never hit me anyway
19:49 <Ballig> ha
19:53 <Ballig> what's your regular AC?
19:55 <Thelen> i already just say "doens't matter i'll cop them"
20:12 <Thelen> its 28 now
20:13 <Thelen> haha
20:22 <Ballig> do you use a shield?
20:24 <Thelen> yes
21:16 <Ballig> should make it animated!
21:27 <Thelen> ooh?
21:31 <Thelen> what counts towards touchac?
21:38 <Ballig> dex, size
21:43 <Thelen> no magic stuff?
21:46 <Thelen> rings etc?
21:59 <Ballig> deflection does
22:01 <Ballig> so ring of protection
22:05 <Thelen> does?
22:08 <Ballig> natural won't (so not amulet of natural armour)
22:12 <Thelen> amulet of natural armour?
22:12 <Thelen> ah
22:36 <Ballig> what traits do you have?
22:41 <Thelen> not sure
22:49 <Ballig> !findchar hitomi
22:49 <dicebot> Ballig, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=327
22:56 <Thelen> soul drinker?
23:09 <Ballig> do you have traits
23:14 <Thelen> man idk
23:21 <Thelen> never got into that i don't trhink
23:52 <Ballig> dude look at this trait and tell me you don't get an erection: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/combat-traits/defender-of-the-society-fighter-pathfinder-society
24:09 <Thelen> 17995 - 8000 - 5750
24:17 <Thelen> nice!
24:37 <Ballig> the way it's written, that AC bonus counts towards touch AC too
24:46 <Thelen> uhm
24:47 <Thelen> hmm
24:49 <Thelen> yea
24:56 <Thelen> 4345 left
25:08 <Ballig> get another belt of giant's strength!
25:14 <Thelen> can u?
25:14 <Thelen> lol
25:19 <Ballig> no :p
25:20 <Ballig> well, yes
25:22 <Ballig> but they won't stack
26:10 <Ballig> could get a +2 wisdom headband
26:12 <Thelen> hehehe
26:15 <Ballig> increase your will save slightly
26:20 <Thelen> yea i was thinking of that
26:24 <Thelen> i have cloak res +2
26:47 <Thelen> where can i find the lists of shit u can get
26:52 <Thelen> im sure there is stuff im missing
27:03 <Ballig> I use the core rulebook
27:13 <Thelen> how many rings can u have?
27:21 <Thelen> ah 2
28:15 <Ballig> unless you get that really expensive amulet that lets you wear a third ring
28:29 <Thelen> might get feather falling
28:36 <Thelen> since i almost died from that
28:40 <Thelen> in a mod at the con
28:44 <Thelen> was literally i turn the corner
28:49 <Thelen> failed my insanely high will save
28:54 <Thelen> and jumped off broke my neck and died
28:58 <Thelen> thank god someone cast feather fall
29:02 <Ballig> haha
29:07 <Thelen> so fuckin stupid
29:26 <Ballig> it's pretty cheap to save your life
29:30 <Thelen> yea
29:40 <Thelen> 2145 left
29:59 <Ballig> bank it
30:33 <Thelen> can't figure out where my ac is wrong
30:41 <Thelen> oh there
30:42 <Thelen> didn't include rings
30:43 <Thelen> derp derp
30:45 <Thelen> 30 AC
30:46 <Thelen> lol
30:59 <Thelen> 30
31:00 <Thelen> LOL
31:07 <Thelen> i can barely hit myself
31:11 <Mort-> I don't run around with feather fall :(
31:12 <Ballig> ha :p
31:20 <Thelen> oh yea my bsword has keen
31:26 <Thelen> crit from 17
31:26 <Thelen> lol
31:33 <Thelen> the number of 16s i rolled
31:39 <Thelen> the only crits i got were 20s
31:41 <Thelen> :(
31:47 <Ballig> :(
31:54 <Ballig> how much AC is from your shield
31:58 <Ballig> it might be worth considering not using it
32:02 <Ballig> to increase your damage
32:06 <Thelen> 4 from shield
32:10 <Thelen> atm dmg only increased by 4
32:15 <Thelen> 2 handed wielding
32:23 <Ballig> you don't have power attack?
32:28 <Thelen> i do
32:58 <Ballig> 8 one-handed and 13 two-handed
33:15 <Ballig> per attack, though
33:20 <Thelen> its more than that
33:21 <Thelen> its 14 to 18
33:43 <Ballig> still per attack
33:51 <Ballig> that's 28 versus 36 if you hit both
33:57 <Thelen> yea
34:10 <Thelen> 1d10+14 1d10+18
34:23 <Thelen> its always my plan to drop it
34:30 <Thelen> but only worth it if fighting multiple enemies
34:49 <Ballig> do you have whirlwind now?
34:52 <Thelen> no
37:04 <Thelen> ah wait
37:08 <Thelen> forgot the +2 on shield cost
37:16 <Thelen> 4345
37:19 <Thelen> -3k
37:20 <Thelen> so 1345
37:24 <Thelen> can't get feather fall ring yet
37:32 <Thelen> or do i sac 1 ac
37:36 <Thelen> but i do love having 30 ac
37:36 <Thelen> lol
37:38 <Ballig> haha
37:44 <Thelen> just the fact i can say it
37:44 <Thelen> lol
37:45 <Ballig> do you love having a neck that isn't broken
37:50 <Thelen> i can afford a res
38:07 <Thelen> have like 30 pa
38:55 <Thelen> ah i know
38:58 <Thelen> will just change to cloak res +1
39:31 <Thelen> didn't use it as only got it for last module
39:50 <Thelen> and i shouldn't have even been able to get it technically :D
39:54 <Ballig> ha
41:16 <Thelen> man
41:18 <Thelen> 30AC
41:25 <Ballig> ha
41:31 <Thelen> the chance i take damage from melee is so low
41:37 <Thelen> only magic has a chance
41:59 <Ballig> yeah, anything with a w ill save
42:16 <Thelen> or touch
42:17 <Ballig> hold person, then coup de grace
42:18 <Thelen> only 14ac
42:23 <Ballig> no need to touch your AC
42:34 <Thelen> i mean my touch ac is 14
42:38 <Ballig> yeah I know
42:42 <Ballig> I'm saying hold person then coup de grace
42:45 <Thelen> yea
42:46 <Ballig> your AC won't come into it at all :p
42:59 <Thelen> oh well, will stock up on potions again
43:07 <Thelen> used 2 of invis 1 of flying
43:10 <Thelen> last mod :D
43:20 <Ballig> expensive mod
43:21 <Thelen> and 2 les res
43:24 <Thelen> previous one
43:28 <Thelen> so thats 1500
43:42 <Thelen> 645 left
43:45 <Thelen> good enough :d
44:00 <Thelen> 2 invis 2 fly 2 enlarge 2 bull str 2 lesser pots i have :D
44:12 <Brunius> Do you have any water breathing?
44:15 <Thelen> no
44:18 <Brunius> Might be a good idea
44:35 <Ballig> keep in mind the bulls strength doesn't stack with the belt
44:42 <Thelen> lolwut?
44:48 <Ballig> they're both enhancement bonuses
44:52 <Ballig> so you just get the highest one
44:53 <Thelen> what about the spell?
44:56 <Thelen> ah ok
44:58 <Ballig> same deal
45:00 <Thelen> oh ok
45:02 <Thelen> didn't know
45:07 <Thelen> but then again i always do less damage so its ok
45:09 <Ballig> so the spell gives +4, that's what you get. but it's not stacked on top of the belt's +2
45:15 <Ballig> so once you get a belt of giant's strength +4, the spell will be useless to you
45:23 <Thelen> ah right
45:26 <Thelen> so its useful still for now
45:36 <Ballig> yeah
45:39 <Thelen> oh wait i don't have them
45:45 <Thelen> that was 1 temporary in a mod i got
45:54 <Thelen> can't read my own messy sheets :D
46:02 <Thelen> am i level 7?
46:04 <Thelen> i forget :/
46:08 <Ballig> potions of enlarge person are pretty woth it
46:09 <Ballig> +r
46:34 <Thelen> yea i am
46:35 <Thelen> hmm
46:38 <Thelen> confused
46:57 <Thelen> must be
46:57 <Brunius> Man, I don't get why you guys just print the text document
47:01 <Brunius> Gets soooo messy
47:12 <Thelen> i agree
47:15 <Brunius> Move it to a proper sheet
47:17 <Thelen> Ballig whats that pdf thing u have?
47:31 <Ballig> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/files.php5
47:35 <Ballig> but make sure you get Foxit and use that
47:37 <Ballig> (adobe reader is shit)
48:10 <Thelen> how/why/when?
48:47 <Ballig> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
48:48 <Ballig> foxit reader
48:53 <Thelen> yea
48:56 <Thelen> why have to use that?
48:58 <Ballig> it has tabs and isn't crippled like adobe reader
49:01 <Thelen> can someone help confirm my hp
49:05 <Thelen> level 7 human fighter
49:14 <Ballig> and if you want to use the PDF character sheet to upload to the website, it has to be on foxit
49:23 <Ballig> adobe reader cripples the upload
49:29 <Thelen> base + 7x favoured class + tough
49:33 <Thelen> is that 73?
49:37 <Ballig> con mod?
49:40 <Thelen> +@
49:41 <Thelen> 2
50:14 <Ballig> hm, came up with 62 the first time
50:15 <Ballig> let me try again
50:23 <Thelen> tough adds 1 per hit die
50:24 <Ballig> might not have added in your con properly
50:29 <Thelen> over the 3
50:41 <Ballig> that time I got 74
50:57 <Brunius> I got 64
51:04 <Ballig> got 74 the second time too
51:06 <Ballig> er, third time
51:12 <Thelen> can u type out the calc?
51:19 <Ballig> 10 for base
51:27 <Ballig> 6*6 base levelling
51:30 <Ballig> 2*7 for con
51:35 <Ballig> +7 for favoured class
51:37 <Ballig> +7 for toughness
51:41 <Thelen> yea thats what i have too
51:44 <Brunius> Oh, 2*7?
51:51 <Ballig> 10+36+14+7+7
51:52 <Brunius> Why 7 for toughness?
51:58 <Brunius> Don't you get 3 then 1 each after?
52:07 <Ballig> you get 3, then you get 1 per level after third level
52:08 <Thelen> yea
52:09 <Ballig> it equals o ut to 1 per level
52:17 <Thelen> well once ur level 4
52:18 <Ballig> it just frontloads it
52:23 <Brunius> Ah
52:36 <Thelen> u can take at 1st level
52:40 <Thelen> for 3 immediate
52:42 <Ballig> yeah
52:44 <Thelen> but u don't get any more till ur 4th
52:44 <Ballig> it frontloads it
52:50 <Ballig> useful for wizards
52:53 <Thelen> very
53:05 <Thelen> i get 74 as well
53:20 <Ballig> the only reason it wouldn't be 74 is if you used the favoured bonus on a skill rank on one of the levels
53:29 <Thelen> must have missed 1 toughness when i leveled to 7
53:30 <Thelen> yea
53:31 <Ballig> or took a level other than fighter
54:08 <Thelen> didn't though am considering
54:13 <Ballig> yeah
54:36 <Thelen> not sure what
54:45 <Thelen> cos u need high level to get much from them at this point
54:53 <Brunius> Tribes full version tomorrow!
54:54 <Brunius> Yaaay!
54:58 <Thelen> mm
55:01 <Thelen> i prepurchased :/
55:04 <Mort-> Ballig
55:07 <Ballig> Mort-
55:08 <Thelen> didn't end up playing much
55:12 <Mort-> Do monsters talk to each other?
55:18 <Ballig> define monsters
55:30 <Ballig> do you mean like basilisks?
55:30 <Thelen> does +2 weapon increase BAB?
55:33 <Ballig> because I don't think they talk
55:34 <Mort-> Would the aspis consortium run back to tell them
55:36 <Thelen> i have it as yes, but :/
55:49 <Ballig> not the BAB, but the total attack bonus for that weapon
55:51 <Mort-> That i like enlarge person on any fighter i can get my hands on?
56:07 <Ballig> Mort-: if you mean "do enemy humanoid NPCs talk to each other", the answer is potentially
56:14 <Thelen> er TAB yea
56:22 <Mort-> Between scenarios
56:28 <Ballig> potentially
56:34 <Ballig> depending on if someone gets away alive
57:04 <Mort-> Well the captain and half his cronies got away...
57:08 <Mort-> We brained the other half
58:31 <Ballig> then it's quite possible
58:41 <Ballig> maybe not so detailed as "she likes to cast enlarge person"
58:48 <Ballig> but probably "the wizard was deadly, take her down first"
59:02 <Thelen> i need 1 more str
59:07 <Thelen> for +6 and even more dmg
59:23 <Ballig> ha
59:29 <Ballig> did you raise strength at level 4
59:31 <Thelen> its like 4 more damage
59:34 <Thelen> yes
59:36 <Thelen> 3*
59:42 <Thelen> cos the 50%s work out to round up
59:53 <Mort-> I didn't do anything!
00:01 <Mort-> Just 2 magic missiles...
00:13 <Ballig> they're not stupid, they know the fighter didn't double in size by himself
00:29 <Mort-> How do you even know he is a fighter
00:39 <Mort-> He doesn't wear it on his shirt!
00:46 <Ballig> they're not going to say he's a fighter
00:54 <Ballig> they just know he's the guy with the big weapon killing people
01:36 <Mort-> Yeah
01:46 <Mort-> Has nasty hammer
02:23 <Thelen> did we go through weapon damage already?
02:27 <Thelen> i think we half did
02:38 <Ballig> yeah I wasn't able to confirm it because your sheet isn't up to date
04:13 <Thelen> almost ready
04:43 <Mort-> Ah no comics again :(
04:55 * Mort- sulks
07:35 <Brunius> I'd hate to die without knowing it was coming.
09:09 <Thelen> heh
09:51 <Mort-> If you knew it was coming you should have been able to avoid it
10:05 <Brunius> Not necessarily.
10:08 <Ballig> would Mort have been able to avoid it if I decided to make the zombies coup de grace her on sunday
10:11 <Ballig> instead of attack her regularly
12:13 <Thelen> what does trait armour expert do?
12:32 <Thelen> ah -1acp
12:43 <Ballig> yeah
12:45 <Ballig> which isn't bad either
12:55 <Thelen> thats how i got to 0 with the breastplate
13:01 <Ballig> oh, so you do have a trait
13:04 <Ballig> what's your second trait
13:09 <Thelen> soul drinker
13:14 <Ballig> what does that do
13:18 <Thelen> which i rarely remember to use
13:21 <Thelen> when u kill
13:27 <Thelen> u gain temp hitpoints = their hit die
13:31 <Ballig> ah
16:01 <Thelen> can someone confirm the number of feats i should have
16:07 <Thelen> i think its 13
16:23 <Thelen> 7 fighter, 1 human, 5 levels
16:27 <Thelen> er, 4 and 12
18:23 <Brunius> You get a bonus feat at every level? This I've gotta see
18:39 <Thelen> fighter
18:43 <Mort-> Accept it and re roll
19:04 <Mort-> The moment i got paralyzed was expecting that already
19:07 <Brunius> I'm seeing 4 feats from fighter
19:16 <Brunius> 4 from levels
19:19 <Brunius> 1 from human
19:22 <Brunius> That's 8
19:27 <Brunius> 9 goddamn
19:27 <Ballig> yeah, fighter gets one every second level for fighter
19:32 <Ballig> and one every second level for levelling
19:35 <Ballig> which equals out to one every level
19:59 <Ballig> so 1 level 1, 1 human, 1 fighter 1, then 3 5 7, 2 fighter, 4 fighter, 6 fighter
19:59 <Thelen> yea
20:06 <Ballig> so 9 feats
20:33 <Thelen> no
20:35 <Thelen> u get bonus every level
20:39 <Ballig> nope
20:40 <Brunius> Nope
20:42 <Thelen> yes
20:44 <Ballig> nope
20:45 <Brunius> Check it
20:47 <Ballig> read it again
20:52 <Thelen> Bonus Feats: At 1st level, and at every even level thereafter,
20:52 <Thelen> a fighter gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained
20:52 <Thelen> from normal advancement (meaning that the fighter gains
20:52 <Thelen> a feat at every level). These bonus feats must be selected
20:52 <Thelen> from those listed as combat feats, sometimes also called
20:52 <Thelen> “fighter bonus feats.”
20:56 <Brunius> Even level
21:06 <Thelen> ooooh
21:07 <Thelen> lol
21:08 <Brunius> So you get one every level, all accounted
21:13 <Ballig> when they say "meaning the fighter gains a feat at every level" th ey're counting character level feats
21:15 <Thelen> yea
21:15 <Brunius> Plus your bonus at first level
21:23 <Thelen> right
21:24 <Brunius> And your human
21:31 <Brunius> For * total
21:34 <Brunius> 9
21:35 <Brunius> argh
21:43 <Brunius> I hate typing in the dark
21:47 <Thelen> probably means i shouldn't have 2 feats
21:47 <Thelen> hehehe
21:50 <Ballig> you can't touch type?
21:59 <Brunius> I can
22:02 <Ballig> get rid of toughness and deadly aim
22:05 <Ballig> :p
22:06 <Thelen> i can't touch type but i can type well enough knowing where everything is
22:09 <Brunius> Just trying to hit the numpad is annoying
22:12 <Thelen> nah, skill focus and vital strike
22:20 <Brunius> Skill focus? wth man
22:20 <Ballig> you took skill focus? really?
22:28 <Thelen> yea cos was running out of things to take >_>
22:47 <Ballig> ... :p
22:51 <Ballig> you never run out of things to take
23:07 <Thelen> that were useful
23:21 <Ballig> I mean straight away if you're bothering to take deadly aim, you will want point blank shot and precise shot
23:24 <Ballig> because shooting into melee is hard
23:30 <Thelen> yea
23:40 <Thelen> gonna get rid of that
23:44 <Thelen> will just pretend i swapped it
23:46 <Thelen> i never used it
24:16 <Ballig> I'm off to bed, 'night jerks!
24:54 <Brunius> your the jerk
25:00 <Brunius> Night
25:05 <Mort-> Wimp
25:06 <Thelen> Ballig sometime i gotta ask ur opinion
25:07 <Thelen> on a story
25:13 <Brunius> I should go to sleep soon...
25:13 <Mort-> Its only 7 pm!
25:14 <Thelen> pretty lamo stuff happened
25:23 <Brunius> It's 9.25 here Mort-
25:27 <Mort-> Wimp
25:28 <Thelen> 9.26
25:34 <Thelen> 924 even
25:38 <Mort-> I sleep at 11 pm or close to midnight
25:53 <Mort-> All of you are wimps :p
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30:51 <Thelen> oh yea!!!
30:52 <Thelen> bitches
30:58 <Thelen> who said butterfly net works against swarms?!?!?
31:03 <Thelen> cos i almost died because the GM said they didn't
31:16 <Ballig> that's what the butterfly net exists for
31:19 <Brunius> Avatar did I think
31:26 <Thelen> Andrei was like
31:30 <Thelen> nuh uhh
31:36 <Thelen> i couldn't explain what they did
31:37 <Thelen> so..
31:43 <Brunius> Dude
31:45 <Thelen> took -3str -3con damage :/
31:48 <Brunius> Wasn't Avatar AT YOUR TABLE
31:50 <Thelen> yea
31:56 <Thelen> an he was like, hmmm im not sure
31:57 <Thelen> lol
31:57 <Brunius> Isn't he the one that carries a butterfly net around?
32:03 <Thelen> i do too but yea
32:25 <Mort-> Yeah that's one thing i haven't used before either
32:36 <Mort-> He told me to carry one so i did
32:55 <Mort-> Didn't any of you carry acid flasks?
32:58 <Ballig> maybe it doesn't work on swarms
32:59 <Thelen> no
33:05 <Thelen> he said it didn't :/
33:09 <Thelen> based on description
33:11 <Thelen> acid might though
33:13 <Thelen> link?
33:16 <Ballig> it just says "use it to capture Fine or Diminuitive creatures"
33:16 <Brunius> Acid will
33:24 <Ballig> maybe avatar assumed that meant fine or diminuitive swarms
33:25 <Thelen> yea
33:30 <Thelen> andrei ruled that it only meant a few
33:32 <Thelen> not a swarm
33:34 <Ballig> although
33:40 <Mort-> But acid flasks are slow
33:44 <Ballig> a swarm is made up of fine or diminuitive creatures
33:52 <Thelen> yea but
33:53 <Ballig> so although it doesn't specifically say how you would rule that against a swarm
33:55 <Mort-> Uh?
33:57 <Ballig> it's not out of the question
33:58 <Thelen> butterfly net is pretty small
34:04 <Thelen> well his point was
34:07 <Thelen> how do u use it
34:11 <Thelen> like does it make them grapled?
34:13 <Thelen> pinned?
34:17 <Thelen> does it do 1d1 damage?
34:20 <Mort-> How about tiny creatures
34:21 <Mort-> Like bat swarms?
34:26 <Ballig> have you seen a butterfly net
34:27 <Thelen> he wasn't against the idea, just had no idea what it would actually do
34:28 <Thelen> yea
34:33 <Ballig> http://www.adventureproducts.com/images/Product_Shots/Optimized/amateur_butterfly_net_h.jpg
34:34 <Thelen> the one in the book is tiny
34:34 <Ballig> they're not small
34:37 <Mort-> Entangle
34:37 <Thelen> the real are massive
34:54 <Thelen> yea
34:56 <Mort-> Nets should give entangle
35:00 <Ballig> I'm not seein ga picture of it in the APG
35:04 <Mort-> Prevent them from moving
35:07 <Thelen> it was 1500 leeches...
35:10 <Ballig> and it doesn't do damage, it's meant to work lik ea net
35:28 <Mort-> Leech swarms also move at 5 ft per round
35:39 <Thelen> char sheet is uploading
35:40 <Mort-> So just kite if you have room
35:42 <Ballig> so you make a ranged touch attack, and if you hit it's entangled
35:46 <Ballig> can only move half speed
35:47 <Ballig> etc
35:54 <Mort-> But acid flask are very slow
36:02 <Thelen> uploaded
36:09 <Ballig> you didn't use the PDF?
36:14 <Thelen> not yet
36:17 <Thelen> will do that shortly
36:22 <Ballig> your bastard sword says it's mastwerwork
36:27 <Ballig> it's clearly a +1 bastard sword
36:41 <Thelen> yea
36:45 <Mort-> I heard that in the arena. Some people throw nets on other gladiators then spike them to death with harpoons
36:59 <Ballig> I think you do 1d10+10 base damage with it
37:07 <Thelen> i think so too
37:08 <Ballig> er, wait, no, I keep calculating strength as if you are two-handing it
37:08 <Thelen> but why
37:13 <Thelen> yea
37:22 <Thelen> that says 9 13 17
37:25 <Thelen> i think its 10 14 18
37:30 <Ballig> you have weapon training in it right
37:30 <Thelen> but i can't figure out the last +!
37:32 <Ballig> for +1 damage?
37:33 <Thelen> yea
37:39 <Thelen> oh
37:39 <Thelen> no
37:42 <Thelen> i didn't
37:46 <Ballig> you didn't? what?
37:46 <Thelen> only wep spec for +1
37:53 <Ballig> what's weapon trianing do then
37:57 <Thelen> wep training gives damage ?
37:59 <Thelen> +1 tab
38:01 <Thelen> i thought
38:10 <Ballig> no it's attack and damage
38:19 <Thelen> oh
38:20 <Thelen> thats it then :D
38:33 <Ballig> so 5 strength, +2 weapon spec, +1 weapon training, +1 magic
38:36 <Ballig> is your base 1d10+9
38:48 <Thelen> i guess
38:52 <Ballig> power attacking is +4, so that's where you get 1d10+13
39:09 <Ballig> power attacking two handed is a further +2, and another +2 from strength, so 1d10+17
39:13 <Ballig> yeah your damage is right
39:15 <Thelen> yea
39:24 <Thelen> wonder where the other +1 is from
39:29 <Ballig> what other +1
39:29 <Thelen> mekkis helped me with it
39:35 <Thelen> well my sheet says 10 14 18
39:41 <Ballig> no it doesn't
39:41 <Thelen> not 9 13 17
39:43 <Brunius> Night yo
39:46 <Thelen> i mean my paper sheet
39:48 <Ballig> ah
39:50 <Brunius> Weren't you going to sleep, Ballig?
39:56 <Ballig> yeah shut up
40:01 <Ballig> did you make your sword +2 instead of +1?
40:03 <Thelen> he's helping a fellow watcher
40:08 <Thelen> nah thats too costly
40:14 <Thelen> but that could explain it
40:19 <Thelen> tbh i haven't looked that far back
40:22 <Thelen> i might have
40:29 <Thelen> whats +2 cost?
40:38 <Ballig> 8000 gold
40:44 <Thelen> wouldn't have +2d it
41:02 <Ballig> based on your sheet that's on the website I'm not seeing another +1
41:09 <Thelen> me neither
41:21 <Thelen> in pencil on my sheet
41:28 <Thelen> its 13
41:29 <Thelen> etc
41:36 <Thelen> then in 2nd pencil its 14
41:39 <Thelen> so i must have done something
41:57 <Ballig> not sure your TAB is right though
42:01 <Ballig> you don't stack masterwork and magic
42:24 <Thelen> oh ok
42:30 <Ballig> anyway, off to bed
42:42 <Thelen> that'd be right then
42:53 <Brunius> Night Ballig
45:01 <Mort-> Zzzpedee!
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46:45 <Brunius> Night all
46:49 <Thelen> bai
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52:31 <War_Wrecker> Does anyone here know MtG rules?
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00:53 <Thelen> Mame the Goats?
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19:28 <Mort-> Hm
19:45 <Mort-> Hitting the  house soon
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46:12 <Duhz> Cool
49:01 <Avatar> War_Wrecker: mekkis does
49:13 <Avatar> ballig is pretty familiar with them too
49:14 <War_Wrecker> Nevermind I found a judge
49:19 <Avatar> mekkis is a judge
49:27 <War_Wrecker> I mean I found a judge 10 minutes ago
49:30 <Avatar> I've tried to play it before but I am a bit hopeless :)
50:11 <War_Wrecker> playing it isn't the hard bit
50:21 <War_Wrecker> keeping up with the game is
50:30 <Mekkis> heh
50:31 <War_Wrecker> New cards all the time with power creep all over the place
50:46 <Mekkis> the set rotations generally keep power creep in check
51:13 <War_Wrecker> Its just a problem when you have a card
51:17 <War_Wrecker> That's lets say, a rare
51:27 <War_Wrecker> And then there's a card released that is better in every single way
51:30 <War_Wrecker> For the same mana cost
51:35 <Mekkis> except it's mythic?
51:37 <War_Wrecker> it's not just better, its a flat upgrade
51:43 <War_Wrecker> And it's still a rare
51:54 <War_Wrecker> And more importantly its not a legend
52:13 <War_Wrecker> Would you play with a 6/6 for 7?
52:22 <War_Wrecker> a 6/6 with no abilities, for 7?
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52:25 <Mekkis> no
52:29 <Mekkis> except in draft
52:35 <Mekkis> if I got a really crappy pool
52:45 <War_Wrecker> Exactly
52:46 <Mekkis> or lots of accelerants
52:56 <War_Wrecker> Because there are better 6/6s which cost less
53:05 <War_Wrecker> And better ways to spend 7 mana
53:08 <Mekkis> how is that power creep?
53:21 <Duhz> MTG is all about power-creep man.
53:36 <Duhz> Just like tabletop games really.
53:40 <Duhz> most*
54:00 <War_Wrecker> Because one upon a time the 6/6 for 7 was the most cost effective 6/6 and the most cost effective 7 cost creature
54:20 <War_Wrecker> That happens with cards all the time
54:29 <War_Wrecker> Most cards older than 6 years are useless
54:33 <Mekkis> Duhz, if MTG is all about power creep, why can I generally beat most of the top tier standard decks nowadays with the standard deck I was playing in 2006?
54:45 <Avatar> hey shit, there is a feat to move through a bit of difficult terrain 
55:02 <Avatar> I thought difficult terrain was near impossible to get around
55:12 <Avatar> well, actually impossible 
55:12 <War_Wrecker> Because 2006...
55:14 <Mort-> I don't even know when was the time i last played magic
55:21 <Avatar> I think there is a ranger or druid ability that lets you do some stuff
55:24 <Mort-> 2001 maybe
55:29 <Mekkis> woodland stride
55:34 <Avatar> yeah that's it
55:40 <Mort-> Seems like the world changed a lot since then
55:50 <Avatar> does nobody else find this amazing news
56:06 <Avatar> it lets you 5ft step through difficult terrain
56:07 <Mort-> If your asking bout the debate just fly and you can run around any type of terrain
56:13 <Mort-> Fly pot is 750 gp
56:18 <Avatar> yeah that's a lot mort
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56:39 <Mort-> I don't know. But thelen seems willing enough to use pots
56:45 <Mort-> All kinds of them.
56:52 <Mort-> Enlarge. Fly. Invis.
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57:29 <Avatar> granted, this does cost a feat
57:56 <Avatar> but it's on my shortlist now
58:02 <Duhz> sorry back
58:13 <Avatar> nimble moves is the one I'm referring to
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59:03 <War_Wrecker> Mekkis, see how well your 2006 standard ravnica block deck does against 2001 invasion block
59:31 <Mort-> I don't even remember invasion
59:44 <Mort-> But didn't everyone build their own decks?
00:07 <Mort-> Well except for me because i would just play them off the shelf
00:12 <War_Wrecker> Yeah but the point is that an invasion standard deck will be powerless against most of the newer stuff
00:32 <Mort-> Not spending that much money on a game :d
00:45 <War_Wrecker> Neither
00:56 <War_Wrecker> I stopped playing at invasion and started playing again at ravnica
01:22 <Avatar> War_Wrecker: how come you didn't show up at conquest !
01:26 <War_Wrecker> I stopped playing/buying at shadowmoor because that was ridiculous
01:53 <War_Wrecker> Well, I SUPPOSEDLY had plans that weekend so I didn't go to conquest
02:10 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, Mercadian/Invasion control decks would stand a pretty good chance
02:20 <Avatar> but ended up not having plans?
02:25 <War_Wrecker> Of course not
02:34 <War_Wrecker> Although I made plans to fill the time
02:37 <Avatar> you could still come along without preregistering
02:49 <Mekkis> going back another five years, to 1996... Necropotence would beat both of them...
02:52 <War_Wrecker> The plans were for evening stuff
03:26 * Mort- imagines herself at conquest and giggles
03:44 <Mort-> Does darkwhite have horns. Claws. And tail?
03:49 <Mort-> How does he look like
03:55 * Mort- ponders
03:57 <War_Wrecker> The power of cards decreased down to invasion and then at some point starting increasing again
04:31 <War_Wrecker> Ravnica has cards that are consistently better than invasion ones
04:37 <War_Wrecker> As does shadowmoor
04:56 <War_Wrecker> Although they don't have the same card lists so different standard decks come about
05:28 <War_Wrecker> So even if the set's best decks go one way, the cards overall are still more powerful in the newer sets
12:59 <Mekkis> War_Wrecker, creatures have steadily been increasing in power since the initial printing in 1993
13:16 <War_Wrecker> In raw power yes
13:21 <Mekkis> instants/sorceries/enchantments have been decreasing
13:44 <War_Wrecker> Although it just so happens that some of the earlier cards have been insane because they were based on a balance which shifted
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16:00 <Duhz> back -_-
16:34 <Duhz> We're not still talking about powercreep right?
17:17 <War_Wrecker> Just stopped
17:23 <Duhz> Aw shucks.
18:25 <War_Wrecker> Unless mekkis is constructing a reply still
19:09 <War_Wrecker> My main concern is that its not feasible for a player such as myself to keep playing magic without buying lots of new cards
19:34 <Avatar> Mort-: he looks like a human male
19:59 <Mekkis> he looks similar to his Avatar 
20:06 <Mort-> What are the colour of his eyes and hair
20:14 <Mort-> I never saw his avatar
20:21 <Mort-> And is he stout?
20:26 <Mort-> Stocky?
20:32 <Mort-> Slim?
20:40 <Mekkis> the Pathfinder version of Mists of Mwangi is much worse than the 3.5e one
20:44 <Avatar> I don't know, average
20:49 <Mort-> Wears spectacles?
20:54 <Avatar> wears glasses
20:55 <Mekkis> is it legal for me to run the 3.5e version?
20:57 <Avatar> greying hair
20:59 <Mort-> Cool!
21:02 <Mort-> Oh!
21:06 <Mort-> How old is he?
21:13 <Avatar> dunno
21:18 <Mekkis> I'm guessing mid-late 40s
21:21 <Avatar> 40s-50s I'd guess
21:23 <Mort-> Don't you guys believe in hair dye?
21:32 <Avatar> have you got a problem with grey hair
21:36 <Mort-> At least someone talking some sense
21:40 <Mekkis> Mort-, I believe in growing old and not covering it up
21:48 <Avatar> yeah amen to that
21:53 <Mort-> In our culture
22:05 <Mort-> Well we use hair dye a lot
22:06 <War_Wrecker> I believe that when I'm old I'll still be telling kids to shut up and get off my lawn
22:14 <War_Wrecker> I suspect I'm old already and I just don't know it
22:28 <Mort-> Its considered sloppy to go to work with grey hair
22:54 <Mort-> And a sign that you don't care about your own appearance
23:05 <Avatar> anyone want an invite to a torrent site
23:20 <Avatar> open and free for me to send out at the moment
23:20 <Mort-> Maybe its different elsewhere in the world but that's the way we see it here
23:41 <Mort-> And times like these i feel like an alien from outer space
23:44 <Avatar> how can it be sloppy to be old
23:58 <Mort-> Cultural context
24:14 <Mort-> We look at it differently here
24:51 <War_Wrecker> I really dislike the idea
25:06 <Mort-> I think its just being different
25:25 <Mort-> We have capital punishment here too.
25:38 <Mort-> And we fine people for littering.
25:45 <Mort-> And chewing gum.
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27:09 <Feather> i can't set up an account on the pfrpg.com site
27:11 <Feather> :(
27:21 <Feather> there's login but no 'new user' buttons
27:39 <Avatar> I set up an account for you last night
27:57 <Mort-> Who are you feather?
28:01 <Mort-> Andrei?
28:06 <Feather> Yep
28:12 <Mort-> I see
28:16 <Mort-> Pleased to meet you
28:27 <Mort-> Will you be around on the week end?
28:36 * Mort- offers her hand to shake
28:43 <Mort-> I'm human for now.
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39:54 <Duhz> Are there any good horror PFS modules?
40:01 <Duhz> Like hangman's noose or w/e?
42:19 <Mort-> Uh. I just had a pfs horror movie pop on me
42:27 <Mort-> My fault though :p
42:28 <Duhz> Which one was it?
42:36 <Mort-> Can't say
42:43 <Duhz> aw shucks
42:56 <Mort-> Just say i nearly got eaten alive by zombies :d
43:03 <Duhz> classic
43:13 <Mort-> And couldn't do anything to save myself
43:15 <Mort-> Ah.
43:27 <Mort-> Some movie themes never get old
43:42 <Mort-> Especially when there is a ghoul involved ^^
43:54 <Duhz> Ghasts are even more scary
43:59 <Duhz> paralyzin' and shit
44:12 <Mort-> Ghouls already can
44:29 <Duhz> oh yeah?
44:33 <Duhz> must have forgot that.
44:33 <Mort-> If you aren't an elf ghoul will do you in just fine
44:34 <Duhz> fuccck
44:37 <Mort-> ^^
44:39 <Avatar> how much does it cost for potions of remove (every condition)
44:42 <Mort-> Don't
44:52 <Mort-> Check restoration
45:51 <Duhz> I'm out, class.
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46:02 <Avatar> class dismissed !!
49:02 <Feather> what does a bard get on leveL up in PFS? 6hp?
51:06 <Mort-> 5?
51:14 <Mort-> D8 class right?
52:05 <Feather> d8 class
52:39 <Mort-> Yes 5
52:49 <Mort-> I have a magus somewhere around
53:07 <Mort-> Though actually my highest level character is a wizard
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