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18:27 <Avatar> hello?
18:49 <Avatar> getting a few people saying hello? lately
28:46 <Hydrazine> Hello?
32:48 <Avatar> is anyone out there?
37:57 <Mort-> No
38:02 <Mort-> We are all not around
51:04 <Avatar> some of us aren't quite there !
49:06 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1pm (Ballig, new game) | PFS: Sun 1pm (Ballig, new game) | ED: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
49:06 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Apr  1 18:55:28 2012
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52:37 <Steven> sup
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59:28 <Hydrazine> you
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04:28 <Steven> how goes it?
07:32 <Steven> Knife Master is a go!  I made one... its pretty sweet
10:46 <Steven> except that you don't gain proficiency in any of the weapons you want to use with knife master
16:04 <Steven> The more I look at the character, the more I want to start w/ a dip into Fighter
16:22 <Steven> Human Fighter that is
16:27 <Steven> so I can grab up on 3 feats
22:52 <Steven> ok.... so this is what im thinkin
23:08 <Steven> start w/ fighter, dip into knife master, and then go ninja
25:45 <Steven> thoughts?
27:00 <Hydrazine> knife master is a rogue arch?
27:26 <Steven> YUP
27:41 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/archetypes/paizo---rogue-archetypes/knife-master
27:47 <Hydrazine> helps out your early game combat to start with a +1 bab too.
28:10 <Steven> biggest difference is you use d8s for sneak attack w/ specific weapons
28:24 <Hydrazine> Pretty nice difference.
28:30 <Hydrazine> Theres a feat for that in 4e.
28:42 <Steven> yeah but i dont play 4e
29:00 <Steven> ide rather perform fellatio on a donkey 
29:05 <Hydrazine> rofl.
29:17 <Hydrazine> I'm not a fan of it either.
29:31 <Hydrazine> If I wanted to play WoW, I'd go play wow, and not try to make it work on paper.
29:56 <Steven> yeah, i watched ONE combat last like forty five minutes or so
30:06 <Steven> and it wasnt even an end encounter
30:07 <Hydrazine> What weapon do you want to use for this?
30:21 <Hydrazine> lol. Lately our end encounters are really short.
30:39 <Hydrazine> Our spellcasters have been very effective with hold person, slumber and so on.
31:18 <Hydrazine> ..And then Jerus coups things.
32:52 <Steven> im thinkin kukri
33:48 <Hydrazine> So the problem is you need proficiency, which is why you plan a fighter dip?
33:51 <Hydrazine> What 3 feats?
34:37 <Steven> yeah, so i dont have to burn a feat for weapon proficiency
35:16 <Steven> and since im redoing it
35:34 <Steven> i dont know quite yet
36:07 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
36:20 <Hydrazine> Considered taking a trait to get proficiency instead?
36:25 <Hydrazine> If thats most of what you're after?
36:49 <Steven> lookin at it
42:00 <Steven> i have 2 point left...
42:04 <Steven> im thinkin wisdom
42:24 <Hydrazine> good for the saves and perception
43:45 <Steven> yeah... i hate starting a fighter out at 10 str.... but
46:30 <Steven> i dont want to put points into str just to get to level 2 and have it be a complete waste of two points
47:14 <Steven> especially since I'm going to get Agile on my kukris
51:26 <Steven> I love creating new weird characters
52:22 <Steven> 13hp first level... woot woot
56:34 <Steven> just means ill have to use a longbow or something at first level
59:43 <Steven> now the hardest part... figuring out my faction
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09:19 <Steven> sup everybody
00:05 <Ballig> sup
00:37 <Steven> makin a Fighter1/KnifeMaster1/Ninja10 for pfs op
01:15 <Ballig> :O
02:24 <Steven> at level 6 this thing already looks rediculously fun
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06:22 <Hydrazine> 13 hp? Pretty high for a level 1.
15:38 <diebot> Added or updated sheets:
30:03 <Steven> I forgot favored class, its down to 12 but still pretty decent... level 6 its at 51hp w/ 54 Skill points
35:38 <Mekkis> did you see the Conquest boon?
35:52 <Mekkis> !recentsheets
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2012-04-02 16:35 347 Kendra
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2012-04-02 05:18 367 Oskar
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2012-04-02 02:01 385 Mishandra
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2012-04-01 13:33 329 Artimus
35:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2012-04-01 07:17 352 Jerus
36:28 <Steven> conquest boon?
36:37 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldah?Conquest-Day
37:11 <Mekkis> on an unrelated(?) note, the convention in Melbourne at Easter is called Conquest
37:59 <Steven> meh....
38:11 <Steven> not all that impressed
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27:55 <Mort-> Do you sleep?
28:05 * Mort- gives hydra a look
28:18 <Hydrazine> Course.
28:58 <Mort-> I go to sleep
28:58 <Hydrazine> So I was thinking about your hoku vs barbed devil question today, Mort.
29:14 <Mort-> You won't hat a problem
29:18 <Mort-> Its a problem i have
29:32 <Mort-> What's wrong with a barbed devil.
29:36 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I think Hoku's got pretty good odds overall.
29:48 <Mort-> Tie him in knots!
30:18 <Mort-> I got pwned by a bone and a barbed devil
30:33 <Mort-> The bone devil would be an issue unless you have winged boots
31:04 <Hydrazine> good thing he already budgeted for it?
31:22 <Mort-> Because that fk can fly
31:31 <Mort-> Not like either needed to do so
31:43 <Mort-> I was trying to nova and kept missing ^^
32:10 <Mort-> Or getting irritating stuff like fear. Hold person(dodged it thankfully)
32:14 <Mort-> A grapple
32:19 <Mort-> But it adds up
33:18 <Hydrazine> hoku also has the advantage that neither of the barbed devil's two big spells work well on him.
33:47 <Mort-> Yeah probably
34:09 <Mort-> How long do you need to tie someone up in knots
34:24 <Mort-> For hoku i suggest if you need extra ac
34:28 <Hydrazine> 1-2 rounds with decent rolls.
34:29 <Mort-> Potion of mage armor
34:33 <Mort-> Good
34:43 <Mort-> You'll need it because those fks hit hard
34:53 <Mort-> Even with 31 ac or re
34:55 <Mort-> So
35:46 <Mort-> Oh but what are you going to tie them up with
35:55 <Mort-> And even tied can you kill them?
36:07 <Mort-> The last time you got off myz
36:14 <Mort-> He ran off mighty quick
36:36 <Hydrazine> possibly not, actually. Or not quickly anyway.
37:22 <Hydrazine> Argue that if they have to teleport away from me, I won the fight?
40:33 <Mort-> Can you cast while tied up?
40:39 <Mort-> But yes hoku is funny
40:58 <Mort-> If mort is in party ill use my mage armor to shield you
41:08 <Hydrazine> Real spells? Only if you can do it without hands or items.
41:15 <Hydrazine> Spell like abilities? Yes/
41:18 <Mort-> But she won't be and you'll be stuck with a surly magus
41:26 <Mort-> They have scorchimg ray
41:37 <Hydrazine> spell-like
41:45 <Mort-> The moment you finish tying them up maybe they will just burn the rope
42:26 <Hydrazine> Oh. Spell-like abilities provoke.
42:54 <Mort-> Your aoo is nothing great
43:14 <Mort-> Yes they can teleport away
43:19 <Mort-> At will
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44:32 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: or if they have a wand of scorching ray :)
44:52 <Mort-> They don't
46:03 <Hydrazine> Sup, Mek?
49:42 <Mort-> But they have shocking ray
50:00 <Mort-> Scorching ray
51:21 <Mort-> What exactly happens after pinned and tied up
51:26 <Mort-> Target is helpless?
51:42 <Hydrazine> yes.
51:48 <Mort-> Assuming no teleportation etc
52:07 <Mort-> He can still make strength checks to get out of bonds right
52:37 <Mort-> Like break the rope
53:02 <Mort-> Sla. Wand. Etc.
54:07 <Hydrazine> oh!
54:19 <Hydrazine> the concentration check for grappling DOES apply to SLAs.
55:08 <Hydrazine> DC 44 concentration.
55:10 <Mort-> Comeon. You have things to do
55:22 <Mort-> Your going to be tying him up won't you?
55:24 <Mort-> Or
55:40 <Mort-> Oh man your saying you tie someone up he has to make dc 44?
55:54 <Hydrazine> Looks like the right answer would be maintain pin and just beat it to death.
56:12 <Mort-> To sla out?
56:18 <Hydrazine> If Hoku doesn't let go, dc 44 to teleport out, yeah.
56:27 <Mort-> You do it badly
56:36 <Mort-> And there is more then one
56:46 <Hydrazine> and the AoO too.
58:15 <Mort-> Can you attack while maintaining grapple?
58:29 <Hydrazine> Sure.
58:45 <Mort-> How much
58:58 <Mort-> I didn't know you could
59:20 <Mort-> Anyway at level 1 you need 3 rounds to pin?
59:25 <Hydrazine> Liar. you know the victim of a grapple can attack with a one handed or light weapon.
59:39 <Mort-> Yeah i did try that on you :d
59:55 <Hydrazine> Yeah. 3 rounds.
00:07 <Hydrazine> Er, 2 to pin. 3 to tie.
00:12 <Mort-> Ok
00:29 <Mort-> So round 1 you grab monster and do whatever
00:56 <Mort-> 2nd round?
01:04 <Mort-> If he doesn't get free you pin?
01:40 <Mort-> So ill go keep myself entertained with my pike while you wail on him and get back when your done?
03:55 <Mort-> Oh. A bec de corbin
04:01 <Mort-> Is a Halberd
04:11 <Mort-> Weird choice of weapon ><
14:25 <Spaceshot> this is where wand of dimension door is really really useful
14:30 <Spaceshot> even if it is retardly expensive
14:46 <Hydrazine> Howdy, space.
15:06 <Spaceshot> hey
15:26 <Spaceshot> I want to make my dark elfdar, but I can't, gots no files
19:41 <Hydrazine> Oh well?
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30:16 <OsterGuard> Who's here?
31:05 * Mort- raises paw
31:10 <Mort-> im going to work though
31:24 * Mort- sniffs osterguard for cookies
31:57 <OsterGuard> You're in the east though, right?
32:28 <Hydrazine> Howdy.
32:35 <OsterGuard> Hey there
34:02 <OsterGuard> Mort-: Aren't you over east somewhere?
34:04 <Hydrazine> Whats kicking, Oster?
34:17 <Mort-> I'm a sg!
34:20 <Hydrazine> You got a character rolled up for some PFS?
34:23 * Mort- sgs
34:25 <Mort-> He has
34:30 <Mort-> Pallasa?
34:36 <Hydrazine> I didn't know if he was finished.
34:37 <OsterGuard> Mmhmm
34:47 <Mort-> Well we got you plate armor
34:58 <OsterGuard> Sweet.
35:06 <Mort-> Sorry scale
35:11 <OsterGuard> So there's no need to get scale mail then?
35:17 <Mort-> No
35:23 <OsterGuard> Ahh kk
35:25 <Mort-> We suggested you buy scale
35:30 <Hydrazine> plate? how?
35:38 <Spaceshot> cheaten :P
35:40 <Mort-> We are nice people but not pig
35:43 <Spaceshot> :P
35:44 <OsterGuard> I was wondering how plate fit into medium
35:47 <Mort-> Rich
35:48 <Spaceshot> don't need no armor
35:49 <Hydrazine> Was that him uptiering with us in QFP?
36:00 <Spaceshot> I'm going to go down into low single digit AC with my barb
36:11 <Hydrazine> I think I'm lising track of the new people. No offense
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36:26 <Spaceshot> bitch :P
36:42 <Hydrazine> So you are making a barb, Space?
36:45 <Hydrazine> With terrible AC?
36:51 <OsterGuard> Nope, that wasn't me
36:53 <Hydrazine> ..Looks like a good way to get archer'd down, man.
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37:36 <Hydrazine> Mind if I take a look at your cleric and see if I might be useful?
37:50 <Spaceshot> yup
37:51 <OsterGuard> Mine?
37:53 <Mort-> Oh do?
37:58 <Hydrazine> Yes, Oster.
37:59 <Mort-> Do?
38:05 <Mort-> Do!
38:10 <Mort-> He is so fluffy!
38:17 <Mort-> He taught me lots of stuff
38:27 <Spaceshot> don't underestimate my ability to stay alive Hydrazine
38:31 <Mort-> Including how to tumble people over to get cookies
38:43 <Spaceshot> well, I'd have to wait till level 2 to really shine in the loglivity department
38:43 <OsterGuard> Sure then
38:51 <Mort-> !throw 1d20-10 bluff
38:51 <diebot> Mort-, bluff: [1d20=2] -8
38:53 <OsterGuard> It's on the website, I think.
38:58 <Mort-> Ops
39:10 <Hydrazine> Just saying. Jerus started in medium armor and still got his ass kicked by archers at level 1.
39:11 <OsterGuard> Ooh, wait, it needs updating
39:38 <Mort-> All of you think hydra did not teach me how to tumble people over for cookies
39:57 <Spaceshot> haha
40:10 <Spaceshot> he also got his ass kicked by a guy on a rooftop with a rapier and dagger
40:20 <Spaceshot> but I doubt he had 17hp and orc ferocity
40:23 <Hydrazine> Yeah. Bad rolls.
40:49 <Hydrazine> All static modifiers immediately mean jack when you just can't manage to beat AC.
40:50 <OsterGuard>  Oh fuck. I forgot my password
41:10 <Spaceshot> heh
41:18 <Mort-> Oh dear
41:24 <Spaceshot> I go to 22str and 26con when I rage
41:25 <Mort-> Ask to reset password
41:38 <OsterGuard> Avatar: can you reset my password?
41:40 <Hydrazine> And how much AC?
41:54 <Spaceshot> well, I'm most likely going to get hide or something, even though I don't want to
42:06 <Spaceshot> but even with hide (Which is +4) I get 11 whilst raging
42:14 <Hydrazine> Wow.
42:17 <Spaceshot> without hide I go to 7 whilst raging
42:23 <Spaceshot> :P
42:31 <Spaceshot> 18/8/20/7/7/7
42:43 <Spaceshot> like gogg, but built around surviving, not intimidation
42:51 <Hydrazine> 17 hp is what, 2-3 attacks at level 1?
43:19 <Hydrazine> Survival. Aslong as you don't need to make reflex saves?
43:21 <Brunius> Spaceshot: Yes, all day sunday
44:03 <Spaceshot> Brunius: sweet, well that's $30 out of my disposable cash
44:14 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: yes basically
44:23 <Spaceshot> will is better whilst raging
44:24 <Brunius> Yeah
44:32 <Hydrazine> better than -2?
44:37 <Spaceshot> and I'm not going to get screwed over by any poison
44:37 <Hydrazine> Thats a relief atleast.
44:42 <Spaceshot> yes, I get +2 to will whilst raging
44:48 <OsterGuard> I have 8hp :D
44:51 <Hydrazine> woohoo, +0.
45:09 <Spaceshot> beats -2
45:20 <Hydrazine> I think this barbarian is precisely the sort Hoku would go to town on.
45:57 <Hydrazine> But thats besides the point.
46:03 <Spaceshot> possibly
46:08 <Spaceshot> also, I'm not sure what archetype/s to take
46:09 <Hydrazine> I think you're gonna get into trouble from the low AC and/or reflex saves.
46:14 <Spaceshot> meh
46:15 <Hydrazine> But good luck with it.
46:20 <Spaceshot> Bashi will live
46:26 <Hydrazine> Let me know how it goes if I don't end up in any games with you.
47:37 <Spaceshot> heh mmk
47:53 <Spaceshot> I might play him on sat if we're going for tier 1-2
48:10 <Spaceshot> and if brun ends up running anything during the week he'll be there too :P
48:41 <OsterGuard> Anyone here go on reddit?
48:47 <Brunius> Ballig does
48:48 <OsterGuard> Just out of curiosity
48:57 <Brunius> Don't know of anyone else off-hand
48:58 <Spaceshot> I have before
49:05 <Hydrazine> I already see atleast two ways to make your cleric better, OsterGuard.
49:07 <Spaceshot> but not regularly
49:15 <Brunius> Hydra: Has he dumped cha?
49:18 <Spaceshot> selective channeling and what?
49:30 <OsterGuard> Which are? 
49:54 <Mort-> Hydra has lots of brains!
49:55 <OsterGuard>  Selective channeling and turn undead
49:56 <Hydrazine> Firstly, you get two domains, not one. So thats more spells right there. Maybe a more up to date version already fixes this.
50:00 <Mort-> He reads books!
50:02 <Mort-> Oh lol
50:11 <Brunius> Hydra: You only get one domain spell slot though
50:17 <Brunius> So you have to pick one of the spells
50:25 <Hydrazine> He still only has one selected that I see.
50:28 <Mort-> If i were a cleric i would be a dwarven one
50:35 <Brunius> And dump cha?
50:41 <Brunius> Dumping cha on clerics is the best
50:43 <Spaceshot> dwarf clerics are bad
50:43 <Mort-> I wouldn't
50:48 <Spaceshot> shh brunius
51:01 <Mort-> Channeling ftw!
51:02 <Spaceshot> if you want a healbot, go life oracle
51:06 <Hydrazine> Second, you get a favored class bonus of 1 point to either HP or skills.
51:06 <Brunius> It's funny because Mekkis hasn't even said anything to me regarding the subject
51:07 <Spaceshot> much better healing and channeling
51:07 <Mort-> Dude
51:11 <Mort-> He i a cleric
51:22 <Mort-> He can do it his way
51:32 <Brunius> And you guys all think it's Mekkis that told me to dump cha
51:37 <Spaceshot> if you want to be a cleric for clericness, then sure be a cleric
51:41 <Mort-> Want to bet folnor might beat you at channeling?
51:45 <Spaceshot> if you want to be a healbot, be an oracle of life
51:49 <Mort-> Dude
51:53 <Mort-> Its his character
51:56 <Spaceshot> XD
52:00 <Mort-> I see nothing wrong with a cleric
52:20 <Hydrazine> I think they should get heavy armor prof back though.
52:27 <OsterGuard> Thank you mort :)
52:28 <Spaceshot> Mort-: what would you say if you saw someone playing a sorc debuff/buff caster?
52:35 <Hydrazine> But I put that lower on my wishlist than fixing how MAD monks are.
52:35 <Mort-> Can
52:49 <Mort-> But spell list is a bit limited
52:56 <Mort-> Buffs should be scrolled
52:56 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: they fixed that, sadly only for 1 archetype :P
53:10 <Spaceshot> see mort, you're doing the same thing as I am
53:12 <Hydrazine> One archetype happening to work is not fixed.
53:15 <Mort-> I suspect
53:31 <Mort-> Folnor might give mort a run for her money
53:43 <Mort-> For knowledge skills
54:02 <Spaceshot> folnor is steven's cloistered right?
54:07 <Mort-> Ya
54:17 <Spaceshot> yea I really doubt he has a high charisma
54:21 <Mort-> Not sure how good exactly he is on all rolls
54:27 <Spaceshot> since he already has a reasonable wisdom and int
54:37 <Mort-> 6 channels per day?
54:45 <Mort-> Not high cha?
54:52 <Hydrazine> Also, I feel that turn undead is not particularly useful, but this is personal opinion and not official-type rules help. Play it how you want.
55:07 <Spaceshot> the spell?
55:25 <Mort-> Ya your answer to undead is your hammer right? :p
55:25 <Hydrazine> Atleast not at level 1.
55:38 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: did you SEE clerics in 3.5?
55:58 <Mort-> Nah haven't met any undead worth bashing
56:07 <Mort-> I see some clerics around
56:12 <Mort-> Some preach. Some don't
56:14 <Hydrazine> And as a player, I would advise taking a bludgeoning weapon too.
56:18 <Mort-> Some are just really helpful
56:37 <Mort-> Don't worry i bring spare morningstars
56:43 <Mort-> He can borrow mine :p
56:49 <Hydrazine> See them, yes. Play them much, not really.
57:00 <Mort-> Wait. Profeciency he has?
57:26 <Mort-> Actually mort doesn't know what to do with undead :(
58:20 <OsterGuard> I can't use IRCs on my laptop because the school blocks the port :(
58:25 <Mort-> Oster
58:44 <Mort-> As you level i will advise cold iron and silver weapons as well
58:54 <Mort-> But not yet
59:04 <Mort-> Get past your first few scenarios first
59:50 <OsterGuard> It's truly horrible. Scarring, even.
59:54 <MekkisScreen> OsterGuard: try port 6666
01:02 <OsterGuard> How do I change the port?
01:18 <Mort-> If khaz is around
01:53 <Mort-> Just borrow one of his morningstars
01:53 <Mort-> Matter settled
02:15 <OsterGuard> A cleric with a Morningstar. 
02:17 <OsterGuard> Seems legit.
02:52 <OsterGuard> Is it a simple weapon?
04:10 <Mort-> Only if khaz is in game
04:12 <Mort-> Oh.
04:35 <Mort-> Khaz uh won't win any prizes for niceness either
04:46 <Mort-> Except he doesn't really have attitude problems
05:15 <Spaceshot> also don't forget, clerics gain proficiency in their deities favourite weapon
05:49 <Brunius> Yeah
06:02 <OsterGuard>  For nethys, that's a quaterstaff
06:05 <Hydrazine> Hey Space, I think you're wrong about oracles being superior healers to a specialized healing cleric, especially at high levels.
07:14 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: life oracles have a revelation that means they don't take AOO from casting a healing spell
07:20 <Mort-> Khaz carries 2 morningstars
07:23 <OsterGuard> Mort-:  you have a thing for douchey characters, don't you?
07:27 <Hydrazine> So do merciful healers, Spacer.
07:31 <Mort-> No
07:46 <Mort-> Not my fault that khaz has 7 cha
07:49 <OsterGuard> Characters with attitude problems, then.
07:52 <OsterGuard> Hahaha
08:01 <Mort-> Ask hydra about mort
08:05 <Spaceshot> and another revelation that allows them to give temp HP equal to the overhealing a heal spell (unfortunately not Channel) does
08:06 <Hydrazine> Mort's great.
08:10 <Spaceshot> healing spell*
08:22 <Mort-> Nah
08:28 <Mort-> Khaz is a soldier
08:34 <Hydrazine> Compare this to 50% more HP from EVERY healing spell cast.
08:38 <Mort-> He won't really talk much
08:44 <Spaceshot> from what?
09:18 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/domains/paizo---domains/healing-domain
09:30 <Hydrazine> From the obvious choice for a healing specialized cleric.
09:43 <Mort-> I might tone it down a bit though
10:04 <Spaceshot> that's cure spells
10:21 <Spaceshot> most oracle revelations effect spells that heal any amount of HP damage
10:28 <Spaceshot> well life oracle revelations
11:19 <Spaceshot> like I don't take an AOO for casting breath of life
12:25 <Spaceshot> also, life link is so OP
12:28 <Spaceshot> sooooooo goooooood
13:12 <Hydrazine> It doesn't scale though.
13:34 <Spaceshot> yea that part does become a bit of an issue
13:43 <Spaceshot> but it is still awesome
13:51 <Spaceshot> even was useful at level 11 in RPT
13:53 <Brunius> "Oh, you took 24 damage last turn...heal 5, and I'll take 5"
13:56 <Spaceshot> damn oskar melting
14:05 <Hydrazine> I mean, level 11 version Jerus swings 1d10+28 a shot.
14:21 <Hydrazine> 5 damage less isn't all that impressive at that point.
14:21 <Spaceshot> so?
14:42 <Spaceshot> no, but an additional 5 healing over what you'd be healing that turn anyway is good
15:05 <Hydrazine> And thats at 11.
15:11 * Mort- fluffs her fur
15:11 <Spaceshot> yup
15:12 <Hydrazine> How much does it matter at 16? 19?
15:13 <Brunius> Everyone should just run paladins
15:19 <Brunius> and lay on hands themselves
15:21 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: PFS doesn't get to 16/19
15:29 <Brunius> It does, Spaceshot
15:31 <Spaceshot> only because you like to touch yourself brunius
15:32 <Brunius> Sanctioned Modules
15:39 <Spaceshot> you have to get there first
15:42 <Hydrazine> Yo.
15:42 <Hydrazine> I tell you about the time we ran party of clerics in 3.5, Brunius?
15:48 <Brunius> Haha
15:49 <Brunius> No?
15:54 <Hydrazine> It was hilarious. We had a great time.
16:18 <Hydrazine> The RP involved all three of us trying to convert every person we met to our individual religions.
16:38 <Spaceshot> heh
16:39 <Hydrazine> To the point where we're elbowing eachother out of the way to preach.
16:40 <Brunius> Ha
16:47 <Brunius> Hold person each other
16:51 <Brunius> Problem solved
17:03 <Hydrazine> And we planned all this, ofcourse.
17:11 <Spaceshot> anyway, I still personally think a life oracle is a better healbot than a healing cleric
17:30 <Hydrazine> So we show up and tell the DM "We're all clerics!" and he just laughs. There was 2 undead encounters.
17:38 <Mort-> Until
17:40 <Hydrazine> Which we laughed our way to the bank on.
17:45 <Brunius> ha
18:03 <OsterGuard> Just tried joining with port 6666. It didn't work
18:19 <Mort-> How many did you manage to convert
18:30 <Hydrazine> Eh. Dunno. It wasn't clear.
18:36 <Mort-> Haha
18:40 <Hydrazine> I think we did determine a winner for the session though.
18:46 <Hydrazine> I just don't remember who it was.
18:47 <Mort-> You should have kept score
18:54 <Hydrazine> We did.
20:18 <Mort-> What did you do
20:25 <Mort-> To those undead
21:01 <Hydrazine> We all spent a round turning them. Didn't take long. I think one of the clerics smited something.
22:37 <Mort-> And you said don't take turn undead?
22:44 <Hydrazine> 3.5, Mort.
22:48 <Mort-> Oh
22:52 <Mort-> What's the difference
22:54 <Hydrazine> class feature, not a feat.
23:03 <Hydrazine> Its more like channeling to harm undead.
23:09 <Mort-> I see
23:15 <Hydrazine> because 3.5 clerics don't have channel.
23:20 <Mort-> But its funny about the preaching
23:27 <Hydrazine> It was hilarous.
23:40 <Hydrazine> We all carried around samples of scripture and stuff.
23:56 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking about making a Rogue/Paladin
23:57 <Hydrazine> To hand out. Talk about all the cool things we've done in our deity's name recently.
24:00 <MekkisScreen> dwarf
24:03 <Hydrazine> A Rogueadin?
24:04 <MekkisScreen> wearing full plate
24:27 <OsterGuard> CLANK
24:41 <OsterGuard> "oh, shit"
24:55 <Spaceshot> basically mekkis likes to optimise combat and doesn't care much about anything else
24:58 <OsterGuard> I can't see that going well if he's trying to sneak around.
25:09 <Spaceshot> he doesn't care for sneaking
25:14 <Spaceshot> only for the rogues sneak attack
25:24 <Hydrazine> Uncalled for, Space.
25:32 <MekkisScreen> what?
25:35 <Spaceshot> what? all of it's true
25:40 <MekkisScreen> no it isn't
25:46 <Spaceshot> what part isn't true
25:53 <Mort-> Yeah id like to have seen it
25:55 <MekkisScreen> you're awfully presumptions
25:58 <Hydrazine> I think its true that you're an arrogant dick who doesn't know how to talk like a decent person.
26:00 <Spaceshot> I'm waiting
26:05 <Mort-> Even if i don't care about being preached at
26:06 <MekkisScreen> that I "don't care about anything else"
26:07 <Hydrazine> But that doesn't mean I go and say it out loud for no reason.
26:10 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: yea that is probably true
26:12 <MekkisScreen> (other than combat)
26:14 <Spaceshot> haha
26:28 <Mort-> The problem about me and getting preached is its an unfair battle to me
26:29 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: for PFS it doesn't show
26:37 <Mort-> Most of you have more rp experience
26:50 <Mort-> More books to talk crap out of
26:51 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot: you've never been in a session with me
26:53 <Mort-> Then i do
27:02 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: doesn't mean I haven't watched a session you were in
27:09 <Mort-> So for me to defend against preaching
27:10 <Spaceshot> so many assumptions mekkis
27:11 <Spaceshot> tisk tisk
27:11 <Mort-> Its hard
28:03 <Hydrazine> My point, space, is that you throwing bullshit around at Mekkis entirely unprovoked does not do good things for you here.
28:20 <MekkisScreen> after all, my honest merchant is extremely combat-orientated...
28:34 <Spaceshot> he wants to make a rogue/paladin just so he can wear fullplate and sneak attack
28:40 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: is he PFS?
28:51 <Hydrazine> Hey Mek, whats the idea behind the rogue/paladin?
28:56 <Mort-> Brus campaign
29:02 <Spaceshot> I bet fullplate + sneak attack
29:09 <Hydrazine> Hey look, something crazy. Asking questions before I assume I know what the hell is going on.
29:11 <Spaceshot> and the ability to use cure wands
29:12 <Mort-> You'll lose evasion if you wear plate
29:29 <Spaceshot> without needing UMD
29:55 <Spaceshot> he's talked about the build before several times
31:39 <Mort-> I'm his bodyguard.
31:45 <Mort-> I'm hired to protect him
31:56 <Mort-> He pays well doesn't he :p
32:58 <Mort-> Personally about defending against preaching
33:28 <Mort-> I don't want to shoot myself off in the foot by bsing something that i don't know may be true or not
33:55 <Mort-> Because of my lack of knowledge where ever
34:17 <OsterGuard> I'm gonna go now guys
34:19 <OsterGuard> Cya
34:35 <Mort-> Personally though i can come up with lots of bs though :d
34:36 <Hydrazine> laer/
34:38 <Mort-> Heh
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38:04 <Hydrazine> So.. a level 1 wizard somehow gets his paws on a wand of prismatic ray, he can use it?
38:22 <Spaceshot> should be able to
38:30 <Mort-> Caster level check and you can
38:31 <Mort-> ?
38:36 <Spaceshot> not for wand
38:45 <Spaceshot> wand is just have the spell in your classes spell list
38:49 <Mort-> Fun times
38:51 <Mort-> Actually
39:06 <Mort-> I thought someone had to make a caster level check
39:09 <Mort-> Asmel
39:10 <Spaceshot> the only part I'm not sure about is do you require the base stat to be able to cast the spell normally
39:12 <Mort-> To clw
39:23 <Mort-> We tossed him our wands before
39:39 <Mort-> I think tasiv had to too before
41:23 <Hydrazine> Oh, Space.
41:52 <Hydrazine> Your accusations of only caring about combat are particularly amusing following a description of your 18str/20con barbarian with penalties in all other stats.
42:08 <Hydrazine> I thought the idea of throwing insults is to feel better than the other guy, not the same?
42:34 <Mort-> Not to mention about your comments about khaz having 7 wis
42:41 <Mort-> And getting commanded
42:57 <Mort-> At least my high saves are fort and will
43:10 <Mort-> There is some base on why I'm doing it that way
43:59 <Hydrazine> Oh. Wands don't even come in >4th level spells. I guess its not too bad then.
45:56 <Spaceshot> Hydrazine: I don't do it for every character though
46:05 <Hydrazine> But it could be really funny to start a regular pathfinder campaign and roll dice to determine loot, and give your level 1 wizard a 4th level spell in a wand.
46:15 <Spaceshot> mekkis does for all his PFS characters
46:30 <Mort-> Itz has even stats
47:01 <Spaceshot> Mort-: even stats != doesn't care only about combat
47:36 <Spaceshot> anyway, I don't care to argue anymore, and I really didn't care to start with
47:50 <Spaceshot> I lose, you win, boo me, ggz, don't care
47:55 <Mort-> Then its better you make yourself scarce then?
48:17 <Hydrazine> lol level 1 wizard with a phantasmal killer wand..
48:42 <Mort-> Dc is 13 only
48:55 <Mort-> Give it to a magus with wand masterw
49:00 <Mort-> Mastery
49:10 <Mort-> He will show you who is boss
49:30 <Spaceshot> isn't the DC for a wand the base DC to cast the spell?
49:52 <Mort-> Yes it is
49:55 <Hydrazine> I think so? Its staves that use the holder's stats, right?
50:03 <Mort-> But the wand mastery magus
50:14 <Mort-> Will sing a different tune
50:47 <Hydrazine> whats the formula for dc?
50:53 <Hydrazine> 10+spell level + what?
50:55 <Hydrazine> base stat?
50:57 <Spaceshot> yep
51:04 <Spaceshot> which would be the base stat to cast the spell
51:10 <Mort-> No
51:18 <Spaceshot> so for phantasmal that would be 10+4+2
51:20 <Mort-> I think you sale spell for db
51:21 <Spaceshot> 16
51:23 <Mort-> No
51:29 <Mort-> 14
51:33 <Spaceshot> find me otherwise
52:26 <Hydrazine> I think Space is right on this one.
52:44 <Mort-> Hm
53:12 <Mort-> You need 4 for basestat to use a level 4 spell?
53:13 <Hydrazine> lol. Ghost wolf?
53:17 <Mort-> So a level 2 spell
53:29 <Spaceshot> would be 13
53:41 <Mort-> Would have 13
53:49 <Mort-> Does it apply to scrolls?
53:53 <Hydrazine> 10+2 spell level+1 for 12 int.
54:02 <Spaceshot> yup
54:07 <Mort-> Doesn't really make much sense
54:08 <Spaceshot> it applys to all magical items
54:12 <Spaceshot> how?
54:13 <Hydrazine> Um. Scrolls assume minimum caster stats too right?
54:36 <Spaceshot> staves are the only exception
54:37 <Mort-> Does that mean you can get higher dc from a wand then you would get casting as a person?
54:38 <Hydrazine> The DC for a spell you cast as mort is based on what?
54:54 <Spaceshot> which count as the wielder casting the spell
54:54 <Hydrazine> 10+spell level+?
54:57 <Mort-> Spell level + base stat 
55:06 <Mort-> And focus
55:19 <Spaceshot> Mort-: no, you can never get higher as a wand
55:22 <Spaceshot> that's the point
55:27 <Spaceshot> wands and scrolls are base levl
55:28 <Spaceshot> level*
55:33 <Spaceshot> the minimum DC for that spell
55:35 <Mort-> Check wand mastery
55:42 <Spaceshot> fuck wand mastery
55:48 <Mort-> You add your int bonus to it
55:49 <Spaceshot> we don't give a fuck about wand mastery at the momment
56:01 <Mort-> I'm saying assuming you get that skill
56:02 <Spaceshot> we're currently talking about wands in general
56:14 <Mort-> I'm only looking at that aspect of it
56:28 <Mort-> Mort won't use wands for control
56:28 <Spaceshot> good for you, because we weren't
56:44 <Hydrazine> Have you been not applying int to your spell DCs, mort?
56:52 <Mort-> But does that mean a magus with wand mastery can get better dcs out of a wand
56:55 <Mort-> Actually no
57:04 <Mort-> Only stuff i cast from scroll is grease
57:10 <Mort-> The rest i cast from myself
57:13 <Spaceshot> Mort-: read wand mastery again
57:16 <Spaceshot> properly
57:23 <Hydrazine> I mean have you been using your int bonus to spell DCs normally?
58:03 <Mort-> Yes
58:06 <Mort-> That one yes
58:30 <Spaceshot> you don't just add your int bonus to the wand's original DC
58:36 <Hydrazine> Well, for wands and so on, you assume minimum possible for the spell.
58:39 <Spaceshot> you replace the wand's effective stat with your int
58:43 <Spaceshot> and recalculate the DC
59:02 <Spaceshot> so a wand of a level 2 spell, would be using 12stat
59:21 <Spaceshot> and if you have 18int, you gain +3 to the DC (the bonus difference between 12 and 18)
59:29 <Spaceshot> you don't just add +4 from your int
00:24 <Mort-> Hm
00:43 <Mort-> Always though wand and scroll casting was 10+spell level
01:22 <Spaceshot> nope
01:31 <Hydrazine> only for a 1st level spell, i think.
01:44 <Spaceshot> well yea, but that's because stat 11 doesn't give anything
02:06 <Spaceshot> Mort-: that's also why you need to UMD the stat if you don't have it high enough
02:17 <Hydrazine> Have you ever used a wand for a >1st level spell, Mort?
02:23 <Spaceshot> which Hydrazine, I think a level 1 wiz with a level 4 wand still requires 14int to use it
02:40 <Mort-> No
02:44 <Mort-> They are expensive
02:46 <Spaceshot> but that part I'm not sure about
02:56 <Hydrazine> Um. Don't think so, but either way, shouldn't be a problem.
03:08 <Spaceshot> Mort-: you want to get a wand of hold person(cleric) for khaz
03:09 <Spaceshot> XD
03:13 <Spaceshot> if your UMD is good
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03:18 <Hydrazine> I would look at you funny if you rolled a wizard with 14 int.
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03:46 <Spaceshot> I think ballig's wiz/fighter has 14int
03:48 <Spaceshot> maybe 16
03:49 <Mort-> I screwed umd
03:50 <Hydrazine> 18.
03:51 <Mort-> Anyway
03:55 <Spaceshot> really?
03:57 <Hydrazine> Just looked. I was curious.
03:58 <Mort-> Too late for me
04:01 <Spaceshot> haha
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38:10 * Mort- grins at osterguard
38:32 <OsterGuard> Hmm?
38:40 <OsterGuard> What happened?
38:47 <Mort-> Nothing
38:50 <Mort-> I like healers
39:01 <OsterGuard> Why is mort- grinning at me?
39:11 * Mort- purrs and curls up to osterguard
39:59 <OsterGuard> :3
40:06 <OsterGuard> Glad to
40:07 <OsterGuard> Be  of use
40:34 <OsterGuard> Stupid iPhone keyboard
41:05 <Avatar> stupid iphone
41:32 <OsterGuard> Android fan?
42:38 <Mort-> Android ftw
42:43 <Spaceshot> android is awesome
42:52 <Spaceshot> love me my oversized phone
42:56 <Spaceshot> <<galaxy note
43:23 <OsterGuard> Yeah, I would rather have an android, but I've got this, and it's not broken yet, so why not?
43:33 <OsterGuard> I want a galaxy nexus
43:34 <Mort-> Except no ca on it
43:35 <OsterGuard> :)
43:38 <Mort-> :(
43:47 <Spaceshot> in that theory I could also use my shitty old laptop
43:52 <OsterGuard> You can get a CA on droid?
44:01 <Spaceshot> or even one of the Macs my dad has lying around in adelaide
44:03 <Mort-> Won't work
45:41 <OsterGuard> Yeah, doesn't work on mac
45:42 <OsterGuard> I might be able to get the Ubuntu version running on my mac though
46:53 <Mort-> Urn
46:55 <Mort-> Try it
47:11 <Spaceshot> does it have an intel processor?
47:37 <OsterGuard> Yeah
48:09 <Spaceshot> then just install win7 on it
48:21 <OsterGuard> I think I can run it via ter
48:24 <OsterGuard> Minal
48:36 <OsterGuard> I can't, it's a school laptop
48:57 <Spaceshot> you get a free laptop in high school? private school?
49:04 <OsterGuard> Nope
49:05 <OsterGuard> Public
49:11 <OsterGuard> Shenton College
49:41 <OsterGuard> But it's actually a loan laptop because the charger port on my original one broke. 
49:54 <Spaceshot> ah college
49:57 <Spaceshot> that would explain some of it then
50:02 <OsterGuard> My original one is being repaired, and that one has windows
50:25 <OsterGuard> I just hope to god they don't wipe the drive
50:56 <OsterGuard> It's still high school, just a slightly upper-class one
52:33 <OsterGuard> Not "college" college
53:43 <Spaceshot> meh
53:52 <Spaceshot> back in my day we had to bring our own laptops
54:33 <OsterGuard> Heh.
56:37 <OsterGuard> All the old teachers hate it, and all the young teachers love it
57:51 <OsterGuard> And then there's my physics teacher, who thinks that amine=hentai
58:30 <Spaceshot> haha
58:34 <Spaceshot> close enough these days
58:54 <OsterGuard> No, animefreak.tv is not a porn website, and you do not have to announce it to the entire class
59:00 <Spaceshot> XD
59:08 <Spaceshot> actually it's close enough
59:27 <OsterGuard> "Anime? Isn't that cartoon porn?!" "what's that doing in your most visited sites?"
59:29 <Spaceshot> it's hard to find an anime that isn't for 5-10 year olds and not full of fanservice/tits
59:38 <OsterGuard> Haha, true
59:55 <OsterGuard> Angel beats was pretty good though
00:28 <Spaceshot> have yet to see it
00:32 <OsterGuard> But highschool of the dead?
00:36 <OsterGuard> Fanservice everywhere
00:48 <Spaceshot> high school of the dead has awesome scenes in it
01:15 <Spaceshot> like the one where the guys are talking about tactics whilst the chicks are changing just around the other side of the APC and the guys don't even care
01:47 <OsterGuard> Nice
02:00 <Spaceshot> and I'm guessing you've seen the boob sniping
02:05 <Spaceshot> even if you haven't watched the anime
02:13 <OsterGuard> Yeah, I've seen it
02:23 <OsterGuard> Everyone's see. That
02:23 <Spaceshot> have you seen the full clip?
02:29 <OsterGuard> Seen*
02:34 <OsterGuard> I thi k so
02:45 <OsterGuard> Ugh
02:47 <OsterGuard> This keyboard
02:54 <Spaceshot> where he's like "how do I shoot this thing" "turn off the safety"
03:06 <Spaceshot> then at the end he shouts "I missed!"
03:24 <OsterGuard> But watch angel beats
03:35 <OsterGuard> Seriously
03:49 <Spaceshot> I've seen a couple episodes, well half watched
04:03 <Spaceshot> episode 3.5
04:10 <OsterGuard> If I wasn't at school when I watched the last episode, I would have been bawling my eyes out
04:11 <Spaceshot> the one with the tension meter
04:35 <Spaceshot> and then the one after it where they keep smashing the roof in slow motion
05:24 <Spaceshot> wtf anime is wtf
05:37 <OsterGuard> Is that highschool of the dead?
05:51 <Spaceshot> no thats angel beats
05:53 <Spaceshot> :P
06:01 <OsterGuard> Oh, okay
06:10 <Spaceshot> yea I've seen most of those 2 episodes
06:12 <OsterGuard> Yeah, it can be weird at times
06:55 <Spaceshot> meh, most anime I've seen can be put into 1 of 2 categories; full of fanservice/anime nudity, or fucked up
07:36 <Spaceshot> I think ROD, ROD the tv and cowboy beebop (even that is somewhat fucked up at the end) are the only anime I've seen that don't fit either one
08:25 <OsterGuard> Rod?
08:32 <Spaceshot> read or die
08:40 <Spaceshot> ROD is an OVA
08:46 <Spaceshot> and ROD is a series
08:54 <OsterGuard> I've seen cowboy bebop, but what's rod?
08:56 <Spaceshot> it's about paper masters
09:31 <OsterGuard> Paper masters?
10:24 <Spaceshot> chicks who can use paper as a weapon, shield, make constructs with them
10:25 <Spaceshot> and whatnot
10:43 <Spaceshot> basically they can manipulate paper I think psychicly
10:57 <OsterGuard> Sweet
11:35 <Spaceshot> it's good but the ending could be better, like most anime
11:50 <Spaceshot> there are a good number of fucked up anime I'd suggest you don't watch
11:58 <OsterGuard> Except cowboy bebop
11:59 <Spaceshot> unless you have good control over your psyche
12:13 <OsterGuard> "you're gonna carry that weight"
12:18 <Spaceshot> :P
12:27 <Spaceshot> trigun could have been better
12:51 <OsterGuard> And "see you space cowgirl, so
13:07 <OsterGuard> Somewhere, sometime"
13:33 <Spaceshot> wha? I'm talking about the ending to the anime, not ending to the episodes 
14:05 <OsterGuard> I know, it just popped into my head
14:12 <Spaceshot> heh
14:19 <OsterGuard> Those are the last 2 episodes
14:44 <Spaceshot> I'd suggest you don't watch Arjuna, school days, hack sign
14:47 <Spaceshot> um...
14:51 <Spaceshot> trying to think what else
15:21 <OsterGuard> KissxSiss?
15:28 <OsterGuard> :p
15:44 <Spaceshot> haha
16:06 <Spaceshot> I usually try to avoid mindfucking anime (and no, KissXSis isn't mindfucking)
16:11 <OsterGuard> Yeah, that's not happening
16:29 <OsterGuard> Mindfucking?
17:03 <Spaceshot> google school days ending (which I still have to watch, but I don't think my head could handle it, I've heard basically what it is though)
17:20 <OsterGuard> What is it?
17:41 <Spaceshot> an anime, coincedentally based in high school
17:58 <OsterGuard> Oh nvm
18:04 <OsterGuard> I'll google it
18:13 <OsterGuard> O.o
18:18 <OsterGuard> Really?
18:49 <Spaceshot> really what?
19:15 <OsterGuard> It's not a fantasy setting?
19:45 <Spaceshot> nope
19:49 <Spaceshot> meant to be slice of life setting
20:01 <OsterGuard> I was joking :p
20:09 <Spaceshot> you never know though :P
20:14 <Spaceshot> about anime names
20:28 <OsterGuard> Haha, thats true
21:23 <Spaceshot> found it yet?
21:39 <OsterGuard> Imma go now
21:45 <OsterGuard> I have class agai 
21:46 <OsterGuard> N
21:52 <Spaceshot> heh
22:08 <OsterGuard>  Yeah, I found it
22:12 <OsterGuard> Cya
22:17 <Spaceshot> fucked up
22:17 <Spaceshot> cya
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34:10 <Avatar> anyone ever tried learning a DVORAK keyboard
34:36 <Spaceshot> why would you do such a thing?
34:49 <Avatar> it's supposed to be easier on your fingers
34:58 <Spaceshot> so is QWERTZ
35:07 <Spaceshot> supposedly
35:08 <Avatar> the left home row is AOEU
35:14 <Avatar> the right is HTNS
35:34 <Hydrazine> Its supposed to be faster, Avatar.
35:44 <Hydrazine> But its kind of like america switching to Metric.
36:24 <Spaceshot> it should be done, but people are stubborn to learn new things to replace an old thing
36:58 <Hydrazine> Nobody wants to invest the money and effort into actually switching.
37:39 <Avatar> there's no investment to switch yourself
37:55 <Avatar> change the option in control panel and find a tutorial online
38:05 <Avatar> no monetary investment I guess
38:08 <Spaceshot> why don't you do it avatar
38:45 <Avatar> I'm looking into it right now
38:50 <Avatar> that's why I'm asking
39:08 <Spaceshot> the issue is also you'd have to rearange your keyboard
39:19 <Spaceshot> and I believe every application that uses keyboard binds
39:40 <Tashes> DVORAK is faster, but actually converting to it is such a pain, and then you're gimped whenever you're trying to type anywhere other than your home keyboard
39:57 <Hydrazine> Sure theres no big thing to switch yourself, but what happens when you try to get a desk job and they don't support your keyboarding?
40:25 <Avatar> you use QWERTY instead
40:31 <Avatar> you don't unlearn one by learning the other
41:02 <Avatar> you don't rearrange your keyboard unless you want to see what's on the keys
41:08 <Avatar> but when you touchtype you don't look at them anyway
41:36 <Spaceshot> Avatar: no you don't unlearn it
41:54 <Spaceshot> but it's like driving a manual for 15years and then buying an automatic
42:37 <Spaceshot> for a while you will keep instictively changing gears until you've changed your habbit, then if you want to use someone elses manual, you won't always instictively change gears
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47:43 <Avatar> the only reason I am looking into it at all is because I know someone who uses both, and can instinctively change gears
48:59 <Spaceshot> congrats to them
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51:19 <Mekkis> Avatar, I tried learning it
51:29 <Mekkis> I found that it didn't really help much
51:46 <Mekkis> and it makes it hard to use keyboard shortcuts
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58:31 <Mekkis> http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2012/3/25/how-to-welcome-a-vip.html
01:37 <Brunius> My dad swears by dvorak
01:54 <Brunius> I've never bothered to learn it
02:43 <Spaceshot> hope rogue has some wand improving abilities
04:10 <Brunius> http://games.on.net/article/15282/South_Australia_to_Restrict_Sale_of_MA15_Games_to_Adults_Only
04:11 <Brunius> Derp
04:21 <Spaceshot> I like playing luls characters
04:28 <Spaceshot> Deaf healbot is one of them
04:40 <Spaceshot> "MEDIC", ava keeps fighting
05:23 <Mekkis> that's great news!
07:12 <Mekkis> no more idiotic teenages on online games!
07:34 <Brunius> teenages
07:36 <Brunius> yep
07:49 <Brunius> it's the teenages that are the problem
07:59 <Avatar> the ratings are the problem
10:58 <MekkisScreen> teenagers*
11:28 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: think of what would have happened to Spaceshot if he didn't have access to MA15+ games when he was growing up?
14:18 <Spaceshot> haha
14:39 <Spaceshot> I think the first MA15+ game or close to it was either diablo or perfect dark
14:46 <Spaceshot> diablo 2*
15:54 <MekkisScreen> I'm sure that they had a negative effect on your decisions made later in life
17:30 <Spaceshot> you do realise you are only a few years older than me
17:37 <MekkisScreen> yes
17:41 <Spaceshot> and you had access to the same games as I did
17:50 <MekkisScreen> I also realise that you were raised in SA
17:53 <MekkisScreen> and I wasn't 
17:53 <MekkisScreen> :)
18:01 <Brunius> Ha
18:12 <Brunius> They allow you to play paintball at 10 in SA
18:14 <Spaceshot> so?
18:20 <Spaceshot> they might
18:23 <Spaceshot> so what?
18:52 <MekkisScreen> well... the thing's only about South Australia....
19:00 <MekkisScreen> so it wouldn't affect me
19:25 <MekkisScreen> FYI: my first paycheck went to a CD burner. It was a lite-on.
19:32 <Brunius> ha
20:09 <MekkisScreen> I figured best to get one from a Chinese company, given how much experience they have a copying things
20:18 <Brunius> haha
20:30 <MekkisScreen> s/a c/at c/
20:59 <Spaceshot> so?
21:16 <Spaceshot> you're saying that I would most likely of changed if I didn't have access to MA15+ games
21:28 <Spaceshot> and I was stating the fact that if I were to so would you
21:55 <MekkisScreen> but the law wouldn't have affected me
22:00 <MekkisScreen> because I'm not in SA
22:58 <Spaceshot> you're dodging the subject
23:03 <Spaceshot> and you aren't working
23:17 <MekkisScreen> my code's compiling
23:29 <Spaceshot> my care isn't
23:43 <MekkisScreen> so technically speaking, I am working
23:55 <Spaceshot> then work
24:01 <Spaceshot> you're the one talking, I'm not making you
24:50 <Hydrazine> hey Space, I just had me a pretty sweet teemo game.
25:03 <Tashes> Hey space, nobody knows how to play againt karma anymore
25:42 <Brunius> Hey Space, I wanted to be one of the cool kids saying "Hey Space"
27:47 <Hydrazine> You can't, Brunius.
28:01 <Hydrazine> Gotta get your "Greeting Spaceshot IV" cert.
28:02 <Spaceshot> Brunius: you clearly don't know how to do it
28:14 <Brunius> clearly
28:45 <Spaceshot> and tashes, how to dodge karma line?
31:09 <Hydrazine> its not a skillshot.
31:13 <Hydrazine> its targeted.
31:31 <Spaceshot> yes, but the real skill is placing the line on an ally and both running past the enemies
31:33 <Spaceshot> damaging all within
31:40 <Spaceshot> <<has karma and loves playin her
31:52 <Hydrazine> ...but the line is just a slow?
31:53 <Spaceshot> thats the dodging part
31:55 <Hydrazine> slow/speed
31:57 <Spaceshot> the line is the damage
32:10 <Hydrazine> ...
32:11 <Spaceshot> the line itself does the damage, the line and the target are both slows/speeds
32:58 <Hydrazine> karma/jax rocked it.
32:59 <Spaceshot> you can empty creep waves by running past their creep, putting the line on one of yours and walking around to hit all the creep with the line
33:03 <Spaceshot> it does good damage
33:05 <Spaceshot> hahaha
33:12 <Hydrazine> All I did was pick on GP and graves.
33:14 <Spaceshot> karma line + jax would be awesome to see
33:16 <Hydrazine> hey look, blind!
33:43 <Hydrazine> because i went thornmail teemo.
33:47 <Hydrazine> and laughed my way to the bank.
34:09 <Tashes> karma line does no damage..
34:15 <Tashes> its just a speed boost
34:17 <Spaceshot> karma line does damage
34:21 <Spaceshot> unless they changed it
34:21 <Tashes> No it doesnt.
34:24 <Tashes> it never did. 
34:27 <Spaceshot> it always did
34:28 <Tashes> karma shield does damage
34:33 <Tashes> i PLAY karma :p
34:36 <Spaceshot> SO DO I
34:43 <Tashes> wtf nobody plays karma
34:57 <Spaceshot> the actual line that is created between karma and the target of the line does damage
35:07 <Spaceshot> LRN2KARMA
35:11 <Spaceshot> geez
35:18 <Tashes> lmao
35:23 <Tashes> okay fine, i looked it up. 
35:26 <Tashes> its minimal damage :p
35:28 <Spaceshot> :P
35:33 <Spaceshot> it's enough damage
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35:51 <Spaceshot> isn't it like .6AP?
36:26 <Tashes> i'll tell you when i load :\
36:33 <Hydrazine> 305x.7
36:47 <Tashes> bs
36:48 <Spaceshot> how is that minimal damage?
37:54 <Tashes> its always seemed minimal O_O
38:16 <Hydrazine> shield is 280x.8
38:23 <War_Wrecker> hmm what?
38:46 <Hydrazine> But Cap'n Teemo, on duty!
38:59 <Hydrazine> We're talking League of legends.
39:07 <Hydrazine> Cause true nerds have to play more than one game.
39:32 <Spaceshot> lies, true nerds play multiple types and flavours of non video games
39:39 <Spaceshot> XD
39:46 <Brunius> Warhammer, Magic, Pathfinder, D&D...
40:00 <Spaceshot> I wouldn't count pathfinder and 3.5 as different
40:08 <Brunius> I didn't say Pathfinder and 3.5
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40:28 <Spaceshot> what D&D then?
40:39 <Brunius> OD&D :P
40:45 <Brunius> You rolled d6s for initiative
40:53 <Spaceshot> I doubt you play that
41:05 <Brunius> I didn't say I did.
41:22 <Spaceshot> oh, thought you were saying what you played
41:24 <War_Wrecker> I have a friend whose thesis is pretty much revolving around creating the most realistic role playing game ever
41:31 <War_Wrecker> Table top role playing game that is
41:36 <Spaceshot> haha
41:37 <Brunius> Ha
41:41 <Brunius> gl
41:51 <Spaceshot> think wod crossed with shadowrun, with the good parts taken out of both
42:00 <War_Wrecker> Most of his work is actually just research on fighting
42:12 <Spaceshot> wow that would take ages
42:25 <War_Wrecker> Its a thesis
42:27 <War_Wrecker> So yes
42:33 <Spaceshot> time to watch mindfucking anime
42:34 <Spaceshot> quasi afk
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45:54 <Spaceshot> wow... I'm so confused, note to self, don't try and watch episode 11 of an anime you watched the last 10 episodes about 2 years ago
46:23 * Mort- feels sleepy and takes a nap
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50:51 <Spaceshot> hmm... guess I didn't see ep 10 either
50:54 <Spaceshot> that would explain a bit
57:32 <MekkisScreen> War_Wrecker: wow... and that's an "original contribution to the knowledge of mankind?"
57:38 <MekkisScreen> PHD thesis?
57:45 <War_Wrecker> Yes
57:57 <Spaceshot> what field?
58:07 <War_Wrecker> History I think
58:18 <Spaceshot> ah... that would explain it better
58:25 <War_Wrecker> He also does studies though
58:34 <War_Wrecker> Not just research
58:53 <Spaceshot> basically, it's an experiment to properly both recreate historic battles/fights but also compare one form of fighting or era of fighting to another
58:57 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing
59:04 <War_Wrecker> Experiments when necessary
59:09 <War_Wrecker> Mostly just research though
01:42 <Spaceshot> wooooo emo anime
01:57 <Spaceshot> relateable emo anime to boot
02:51 <Spaceshot> anywho, War_Wrecker are you going to plan to go competitive with 40k once you get the models you need/want and a few games under your belt?
03:03 <Spaceshot> or just play for shit's and giggles?
03:05 <War_Wrecker> To a degree
03:09 <War_Wrecker> Mostly for shit's and giggles
03:25 <Spaceshot> cool cool, that was my plan getting to melb
03:39 <Spaceshot> haven't touched them yet, and when I wanted to start, can't find my files so I'll have to buy some
03:51 <War_Wrecker> I play games for fun
03:53 <War_Wrecker> Winning is fun
04:04 <War_Wrecker> Competitive play is not fun
04:10 <Spaceshot> as long as you aren't netlisting then I'm not fussed
04:23 <Brunius> lolnetlist
04:53 <Spaceshot> NEED MORE LONG FANGS
05:27 <Spaceshot> :P
06:09 <Spaceshot> wow school days anime is fucked up
06:26 <War_Wrecker> Netlisting?
06:52 <Spaceshot> going to forums or looking at blogs and tournament results and using those lists
07:37 <War_Wrecker> I'm looking at those
07:40 <War_Wrecker> and going "URGH"
07:42 <War_Wrecker> "RHINOS"
07:44 <War_Wrecker> "LASH DEMONS"
07:48 <Spaceshot> don't like parking lots?
07:53 <Brunius> Needz more meltaspam
07:57 <Spaceshot> heh
08:00 <War_Wrecker> Admittedly I will use melta spam
08:07 <Spaceshot> need more cyclone missile launchers
08:08 <War_Wrecker> well not spam
08:14 <Brunius> I'd rather go plasma spam, personally
08:14 <War_Wrecker> cyclones are delicious but...
08:14 <Spaceshot> melta spam is meh
08:18 <Spaceshot> and I'll use combi-melta spam
08:24 <War_Wrecker> I'd use melta bombs
08:25 <Brunius> Plasmas are cool.
08:29 <Spaceshot> Brunius: for you it's quite suicidle
08:32 <Spaceshot> sucidal*
08:45 <War_Wrecker> My list is something along the lines of raptors, plaguemarines, terminators
09:13 <War_Wrecker> Supplemented by any cheap obliterators, dreadnaughts or defilers I can get my hands on
10:09 <Spaceshot> basically my 1500point list is Logan Grimnar and 5x or 6x Wolf Guard Unit: 1x termi with frost sword and assualt cannon, 1x combi melta and wolf claw, 3x normal wolf guard
11:02 <Spaceshot> + 2 or 3 living lightning carrying rune priests, a dread and maybe some long fangs (they're basically the rest of the points) or scouts
11:07 <Spaceshot> oh and bikers
11:10 <Spaceshot> need the bikers
12:59 <Spaceshot> can't wait to make my thunderwolf cav
13:21 <Spaceshot> or as I like to call them, JUGGANAUTS
13:48 <Spaceshot> because it'll be chaos wolves on khorne mounts (those huge brass beasts)
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16:36 <Steven> Sup peoples!
16:40 <Brunius> Schteven
16:47 <Brunius> Hows it goin'?
16:51 <Spaceshot> talkin about 40k armies/lists
16:56 <Steven> freakin awesomes
16:59 <Spaceshot> at least were recently
17:00 <Steven> ah good times good times
17:14 <Steven> im dealing with dizzy me migraine
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17:52 <Spaceshot> I'm currently dealing with a depressive and emotionally fucked psyche
17:59 <Spaceshot> so I'm guessing the norm for both of us aye
18:02 <Steven> Im dating a woman too
18:06 <Steven> hahahaha
18:22 <Spaceshot> haha... no I mean my head is givin me the shits
18:27 <Spaceshot> not a chic
18:31 <War_Wrecker> Well that always sucks
18:33 <Spaceshot> those she can be an issue at times
18:40 <Steven> but it works too!
18:42 <Steven> lol
19:24 <Spaceshot> yea and sadly, all I feel like doing is esaserpating(so spelt wrong) the effect, rather than trying to ignore it and do something more cheerful
19:46 <War_Wrecker> exasperating
19:47 <Steven> exacerbating 
19:51 <Steven> beat ya
19:56 <War_Wrecker> and spelled correctly
20:01 <Steven> woot woot
20:16 <War_Wrecker> Although exasperating is still apt
20:20 <Spaceshot> :P
20:21 <Steven> but i had sam drive me to the store
20:26 <Spaceshot> lucky you
20:36 <Steven> and got the stuff to make taco salad
20:41 <Spaceshot> :P
20:55 <Spaceshot> I have to go out soon to get some files and then food
20:56 <Steven> so bout to eat me some taco salaad
21:19 <Spaceshot> so do you have prescription meds to deal with your migranes?
21:30 <Steven> nope, i dont have the money to pay for the pills
21:41 <Steven> cheapest pill that works
22:03 <Steven> is like 10 bucks with insurance
22:15 <Spaceshot> heh
22:24 <Spaceshot> guessing you want healthcare? XD
22:28 <Steven> nope
22:50 <Steven> its a pretty crappy health care system
22:58 <Spaceshot> yours might be :P
23:40 <Spaceshot> anywho, no need to compare healthcare
23:48 <Steven> but yeah... i got taco salad
23:51 <Spaceshot> need to get more depressed and emotionally draught
24:09 <Steven> and tonight if i feel any better imma get me some too
24:22 <Spaceshot> :P
24:36 <Steven> but im prolly not gonna feel any better
25:21 <Spaceshot> I know I won't
25:28 <Spaceshot> it'll pass, but fuck is it motivationally draining
25:36 <Steven> think about boobies
25:40 <Steven> that always picks up my mood
25:48 <Spaceshot> heh
25:54 <Spaceshot> but sadly nope
26:26 <Spaceshot> when I get into a spiral it just has to run its course, which might be a few hrs to a few days even a few weeks sometimes
26:30 <Spaceshot> and shit can trigger it so easily
28:29 <Spaceshot> wow this anime isn't just emo and mindfucking, it's also quite unrealistic even though it's meant to be slice of life
28:55 <Steven> what anime?
29:10 <Spaceshot> school days
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30:05 <Spaceshot> I'd suggest you don't watch it
30:42 <Steven> sadly i already have watched a few episodes
30:47 <Steven> like two
30:48 <Spaceshot> haha
30:55 <Steven> and i was like fuck this sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
30:59 <Spaceshot> hahaha
31:03 <Steven> then i watched highschool of the dead...
31:10 <Steven> and was like FUCK YEAH!
31:11 <Spaceshot> yea if you're like that on the first 2, then don't even bother continueing
31:26 <Spaceshot> it just get's more mindfucking
31:33 <War_Wrecker> hmm
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31:37 <Steven> i demand action! and plot that doesnt suck! and no emo action!
31:38 <Spaceshot> it makes excel saga look normal on the mindfuck scale
31:43 <War_Wrecker> what weapon in PFS deals the most damage on a crit?
31:44 <Brunius> Man, another HotD watcher?
31:51 <Spaceshot> you don't like high school emo anime?
31:55 <Steven> i already watched it, it was cool
31:58 <Spaceshot> scythe
32:00 <Spaceshot> x4
32:23 <War_Wrecker> oh god 2d4 x4
32:53 <War_Wrecker> do you know what deals the most that's a one handed weapon?
32:55 <Steven> scythes are so fun when you have a whip master in the party with butterfly sting
33:01 <Steven> Scimitar
33:10 <Brunius> rapier has most chance for a crit, though
33:11 <War_Wrecker> that's what I'm going to get
33:16 <War_Wrecker> not about chance brunius
33:19 <Spaceshot> scimitar has most chance
33:29 <Brunius> Does it?
33:30 <Spaceshot> why do you want damage?
33:30 <Steven> scimitar will out damage a rapier
33:32 <War_Wrecker> Tripgus with butterfly sting
33:51 <Spaceshot> I thought magus only care about crit chance, not crit damage
34:04 <War_Wrecker> yeah I don't care for ME
34:09 <War_Wrecker> I care about in general
34:22 <Spaceshot> ahh... falcata
34:29 <Spaceshot> for one-handed
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34:38 <Spaceshot> 19-20/x3
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35:22 <Spaceshot> exotic melee from APG
35:46 <Steven> yeah but ya gotta burn a feat
35:50 <Spaceshot> nope
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35:53 <Spaceshot> just be half elf
36:07 <Spaceshot> and replace skill focus with it
36:47 <Steven> i always forget the alternative racials
36:58 <Spaceshot> that's the main awesome one
37:03 <Spaceshot> or half orc getting a bite attack
37:11 <Spaceshot> the rest are quite meh
37:15 <Spaceshot> at least the ones I remember
37:42 <Steven> i thought the bite one was pretty meh
37:57 <Spaceshot> don't underestimate a bite attack
38:56 <Steven> maybe if it scaled with level like the monk unarmed strike it would be better
39:15 <Spaceshot> normally melee attacks don't care about scaling
39:47 <Spaceshot> 1d4+10 and 1d8+10 are still quite similar
40:19 <Steven> save that 4 damage more is still 4 damage
40:37 <Spaceshot> average is only 2 more damage
40:57 <Spaceshot> and still, it's an additional attack, rather than being a replacing attack
41:23 <Steven> yeah but i do so love gettin to stand with that ferocity
41:56 <Spaceshot> the bite is better in the long run
42:03 <Spaceshot> the ferocity is awsome in the short run
43:43 <Steven> well, the ferocity did let me get my Hast Healing to proc so i could withdraw
43:57 <Steven> kept me from spending 5k
43:59 <Spaceshot> heh
44:15 <Steven> so i guess im biased
44:20 <Spaceshot> :P
44:30 <Spaceshot> well my barb is going for full on survivan
44:34 <Spaceshot> survival*
44:37 <Spaceshot> don't need no AC
44:52 <Steven> oh your a barb dont you already get basically the same thing?
45:06 <Spaceshot> nah barbs don't get ferocity
45:08 <Spaceshot> at least that I know of
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45:30 <Steven> now i remember
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45:47 <Steven> there are barbarian feats that increase the ferocity power
45:54 <Steven> brb, gonna go get some more taco salad
46:30 <Avatar> :o)
47:21 <Brunius> Taco Salad?
47:33 <Brunius> This seems..unusual
47:36 <War_Wrecker> Oh yeah guys
48:05 <War_Wrecker> Can I grease someones weapon so they can't draw it or have difficulty doing so?
48:26 <Mort-> Unattended it goes immediate
48:51 <Mort-> But if the person is holding it its reflex save to grease weapon
49:05 <Mort-> Usually by the time you see a monster he has his weapons out
49:26 <Brunius> Spurise rounds, mort-
49:57 <Mort-> I've always been surprised in those
49:59 <Mort-> :_
50:21 <Mort-> Might have to do with not running any perception though
50:22 <Steven> and if your going to grease an unattended weapon might as well peace bond it
50:33 <War_Wrecker> I have high perception and initiative
50:37 <War_Wrecker> Also
50:39 <Mort-> I don't
50:40 <War_Wrecker> Greasing a bow string
50:42 <War_Wrecker> :P
50:55 <Mort-> If the person is holding it
50:57 <Mort-> Attended
51:12 <Mort-> As in the person is holding the bow
51:28 <Spaceshot> just grease the quiver full of arrows
51:32 <Spaceshot> technically they aren't holding the arrows
51:45 <War_Wrecker> Ah that works better
51:47 <War_Wrecker> So much so
52:03 <Mort-> Its on them
52:04 <Mort-> And in use
52:15 <Mort-> Imo shouldnt get away with it
52:17 <Brunius> I wouldn't say so
52:31 <Spaceshot> it's not in use
52:33 <Brunius> They aren't going to actively be stopping their quiver falling off
52:41 <Brunius> Like they are with, say, a sword
52:44 <Mort-> The rules of grease is unattended objects
52:50 <Mort-> They are attended to
52:52 <Spaceshot> they aren't actively holding a quiver
52:55 <Spaceshot> it's like a backpack
52:58 <Brunius> (And this, kids, is why you carry multiple swords)
53:00 <War_Wrecker> the PFS SRD doesn't say unattended
53:01 <War_Wrecker> It says....
53:10 <Avatar> I tried carrying multiple swords once
53:16 <War_Wrecker> "an object wielded or employed by a creature requires its bearer to make a Reflex saving throw to avoid the effect."
53:20 <Mort-> He will have his hands on his quiver
53:24 * Steven shouts Incomming Rules Lawyering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
53:24 <Avatar> something took off with one of them into the ethereal plane
53:29 <Mort-> It is employed
53:31 <Spaceshot> who has their hand on their quiver
53:33 <Brunius> Employed makes it clearer
53:41 <Mort-> It is employed
53:42 * Avatar shouts Incomming Rules Lawyering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
53:50 <Brunius> Spaceshot: A vivisectionest alchemist, duh
53:52 <Mort-> Bow arrow and quiver
53:56 <Brunius> :P
53:59 <Avatar> no, duh is a product of fear
54:13 <Spaceshot> Brunius: not explicitly vivisectionist(that's just the sneak attack part), but I get what you mean
54:20 <Mort-> If you grease his longsword i wouldn't care a hoot
54:42 <Spaceshot> Mort-: can you grease a weapon in a sheath without a save?
55:05 <Avatar> it's probably still considered attended if it's on their person
55:06 <Steven> earlier i built a Fighter1/Knife Master2/Ninja9.... its bad ass
55:18 <Spaceshot> knife master?
55:18 <Steven> my friend walter was pretty stoked when he looked over it
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55:35 <Steven> same as rogue only sneak attacks are d8s instead of d6s
55:37 <Avatar> Steven: that is probably badass because it's level 12
55:44 <Avatar> any character is badass at level 12
55:57 <Steven> no i sent him a sheet for every 3 levels
55:59 <Spaceshot> Steven: in pathfinder you can't take levels in rogue and ninja
56:05 <Spaceshot> because ninja is an archetype of rogue
56:10 <Avatar> yeah that too
56:33 <Steven> brb, gotta go check and then cry in a closet
56:42 <Spaceshot> haha
56:47 <Spaceshot> no need to get emo about it
56:48 <Spaceshot> geez
57:00 <Spaceshot> now it's down the stream not across the bridge
57:00 <Spaceshot> XD
57:23 <Mort-> As long as weapon is not in use yes
57:40 <Spaceshot> Mort-: so you're saying that a weapon in a sheath requires no save?
57:42 <Mort-> But to reload a bow  you have to be pulling out arrows from your quiver
57:54 <Mort-> Its being employee
57:55 <Mort-> D
57:57 <Steven> woot woot i so can do it!
58:10 <Spaceshot> Steven: no cheating :P
58:22 <Spaceshot> and Mort-, a quiver is a sheath for arrows
58:24 <Spaceshot> it uses the same logic
58:31 <Mort-> It is being employee
58:38 <Mort-> That is the point
58:47 <Mort-> Bow arrow quiver
58:53 <Mort-> In the process of shooting
59:03 <Spaceshot> Mort- the quiver is never touched
59:04 <Steven> the two arc types dont overlap on any of the skill replacements
59:05 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: don't bother arguing
59:17 <Spaceshot> Steven: you can't take ninja with anything else
59:27 <Spaceshot> it says it under alternate classes
59:53 <Steven> darn...
59:59 <Steven> where where does it say that?
00:15 <War_Wrecker> that reminds me
00:18 <Spaceshot> read page 8 of UC
00:22 <Spaceshot> then go back to your closet
00:24 <War_Wrecker> I can be a Spire Defender Myrmidich!
00:33 <War_Wrecker> myrmidarch
00:36 <Steven> BAH! thats my least favorite book!
00:47 <Spaceshot> THAT'S WHERE NINJA IS
01:01 <Steven> i was just doing it off of d20
01:16 <Spaceshot> tisk tisk tisk
01:23 <Spaceshot> always use the PDF/books
01:34 <Spaceshot> never use the SRD unless you are searching around for shit
01:34 <Steven> that takes like hours longer
02:05 <Spaceshot> anyway, back to emo anime with psychotically evil sounding music
02:22 <War_Wrecker> I don't have the books
02:30 <Spaceshot> found it yet?
02:32 <War_Wrecker> I only use the SRD if its not third party
02:35 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: find the PDFs XD
02:39 <War_Wrecker> NO
02:45 <War_Wrecker> I HAVE TOO MANY FUCKING D&D PDFS
02:56 <Spaceshot> this is pathfinder
02:58 <Spaceshot> completely different
03:00 <Spaceshot> XD
03:08 <War_Wrecker> I HAVE TOO MANY PDFS
03:11 <War_Wrecker> OF RULES
03:15 <Spaceshot> NEED MOAR
03:25 <Spaceshot> wow evil anime is evil
03:45 <Spaceshot> well school days is on the top of my list of WTFuckedup
04:31 <Steven> well now i just gotta find other weapons to be cooler
05:09 <Steven> and i have 2 levels to play around
05:24 <Spaceshot> heh
05:28 <Spaceshot> found out it doesn't work?
05:38 <Steven> yeah went and opened the book
05:53 <War_Wrecker> and I was wrong damnit
05:54 <Steven> didnt know you couldnt play around with alternate clases like that
06:01 <War_Wrecker> spire defender changes spell recall
06:06 <Spaceshot> yup
06:08 <War_Wrecker> gragh
06:13 <War_Wrecker> All the archetypes do
06:17 <War_Wrecker> At least the cool ones anyhow
06:17 <Spaceshot> nope
06:24 <Spaceshot> how is blackblade not cool?
06:46 <War_Wrecker> extra work for the gm
06:52 <War_Wrecker> and it can be detrimental to you
06:57 <Spaceshot> lies
07:01 <Spaceshot> intelegent weapons are col
07:22 <Spaceshot> cool*
07:30 <Steven> super cool
07:31 <Spaceshot> yay... anime just gets darker and darker
08:34 <Spaceshot> I'm just waiting to see what the spoilers said happened
09:06 <War_Wrecker> hmm
09:12 <War_Wrecker> Alertness
09:15 <War_Wrecker> Tempting actually
09:23 <War_Wrecker> And i know someone worked out that a black blade could be a whip
09:48 <Spaceshot> yup
10:44 <War_Wrecker> one handed slashing weapon
10:55 <Spaceshot> only if it's spiked?
11:12 <War_Wrecker> No
11:17 <War_Wrecker> That's all the black blade needs to be
11:19 <Mort-> You'll pay arcane pool points
11:21 <War_Wrecker> A one handed slashing weapon
11:21 <Spaceshot> wow... unexpected end is unexpected
11:21 <Mort-> Mind you
11:31 <Mort-> So if you want. You do it now
11:46 <Mort-> Before you play the next scenario
12:54 <War_Wrecker> Can't get that archetype until level 3
13:07 <War_Wrecker> Or rather it does nothing until level 3
13:09 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: you get archetypes when you make your character
13:12 <Spaceshot> that's better XD
13:16 <Mort-> Yes
13:23 <Mort-> That is how the rules go
13:27 <Mort-> Its not you select
13:33 <Mort-> So if you want.
13:40 <Mort-> This is your first scenario
13:42 <Mort-> Do it now
13:55 <War_Wrecker> just thinking for a second
14:15 <War_Wrecker> hmm yeah magus arcana are useless at level 3
14:16 <Mort-> Just as long as you do it before you next play you are good
14:25 <War_Wrecker> except for the wand ones
14:31 <Mort-> You can take as long as you like
15:05 <War_Wrecker> Oh see also
15:18 <Spaceshot> ...
15:21 <War_Wrecker> You know about sniping?
15:52 <Spaceshot> Steven: yea... don't touch school days
16:04 <Spaceshot> you'll regret it
16:58 <War_Wrecker> Oh and mort my arcane pool points don't change from the effect
17:13 <War_Wrecker> Not until level 4
17:22 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: you get less pool points in the long run
17:26 <War_Wrecker> I know
17:41 <Spaceshot> well... technically you gain more if you combine the total of the character and the blade
17:53 <Steven> im thinkin of picking up a second level of fighter and just make it a 2Fighter/10Ninja
17:59 <Mort-> No
18:09 <Mort-> The moment you take the class
18:16 <Mort-> You pay for whatever you get
18:35 <Spaceshot> Mort-: don't skim
18:48 <Spaceshot> if you read blackblade you'd understand what we're talking about
19:04 <Spaceshot> well there's me done watching school days
19:15 <Spaceshot> putting that on the mental list of anime to never watch again
20:09 <War_Wrecker> You have 1/3 of your level (minimum 1) instead of 1/2 of your level (minimum 1)
20:23 <War_Wrecker> 3/3 is 1, 3/2 is rounded up or down?
20:32 <Spaceshot> always down in dnd
20:36 <War_Wrecker> exactly
21:08 <War_Wrecker> so finally at 4/3 and 4/2 does it actually first have a difference
21:23 <War_Wrecker> And I think I'm going to pass, black blade puts too much into one weapon and I like using different weapons
21:36 <Steven> I think imma rock Tactician so i can start out with a +6 initiative
21:57 <Hydrazine_> My tetori has +6 initiative.
22:15 <Steven> wait no... its 5 initiative at lvl1
22:24 <Steven> and 10 initiative at 2nd
23:25 <Steven> cause ide just pick up imp initiative
23:29 <Steven> with my bonus feat
24:09 <Spaceshot> Steven: know any emo anime?
24:29 <Steven> no, im not going to feed your addiction
25:07 <Spaceshot> addiction? think of it as a disease
25:18 <Spaceshot> well it's either that or whine on here about myself
25:20 <Spaceshot> :P
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26:17 <Steven> yeah but im not going to inflict bad anime on anyone
26:39 <Spaceshot> you sure it's bad?
26:47 <Spaceshot> how about anything mindfucking?
27:50 <Steven> NO!
27:57 <Spaceshot> bah
28:05 <Steven> im not feeding your addiction
28:07 <Spaceshot> all I've got to watch is mainly fanserviced :P
28:34 <Spaceshot> which I'm not really going to care for it at the moment no matter how much you say boobs are a curative medice
28:38 <Spaceshot> medicine*
28:56 <War_Wrecker> Oi spaceshot
28:59 <Spaceshot> guess it's back to my long list of manga then
29:01 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: mmm?
29:02 <War_Wrecker> What's your army list so far for your CSM?
29:21 <Spaceshot> won't be writing up a list till Chaos Legions come out
29:39 <Spaceshot> I've got SW and Deldar
29:53 <Spaceshot> and once chaos legions come out, chaos legions
30:30 <Spaceshot> yay a chapter of GE just came out
30:39 <Spaceshot> woooo I can fuel my depression some more (usually anyway)
31:09 <War_Wrecker> Aren't you going to make a vague list until then?
31:21 <Spaceshot> no point
31:29 <Spaceshot> doubt I'll have my chaos wolves made by then
31:31 <War_Wrecker> I mean I'm going to get a tentative small force of stuff that will always be useful
31:40 <War_Wrecker> Like CSM and plague marines
31:45 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: remember, I
31:47 <Steven> goin afk
32:15 <Spaceshot> I'm using my space wolves (which I'm calling chaos wolves) as counts as chaos legion/SM
32:26 <Spaceshot> I'm not getting specifically CSM/CL
32:39 <War_Wrecker> ah
32:44 <Spaceshot> yea
33:21 <Spaceshot> so I doubt I'll have enough chaos wolves made (because I'll be basically make all my dudes new except my termies and a few normal marines) before CL comes out
33:29 <Spaceshot> because currently I want to work on my Dark Elfdar
43:52 <Spaceshot> anyway, I should get going, I'll be back later
46:31 * Steven burps impressively
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33:37 <War_Wrecker> Spaceshot
33:46 <War_Wrecker> Just read through a summary of the sixth ed rules
20:53 <***> Buffer Playback...
20:53 <***> Playback Complete.
20:55 <Spaceshot> CL is meant to be this year, and Tau and eldar are pushed back
21:03 <Spaceshot> though again, all rumor and speculation
21:05 <Brunius> 3
21:10 <Brunius> Well, 4
21:29 <Spaceshot> I thought the battalion has 3 HWT
21:43 <Spaceshot> and don't you have 2 battalions worth?
22:15 <Brunius> No?
22:26 <Spaceshot> no to which one?
22:30 <Brunius> Each has 3
22:34 <Spaceshot> yes
22:45 <Brunius> I bought my first lot individiually
22:46 <Spaceshot> didn't you originally have a battalion before you bought mine
22:48 <Spaceshot> ohh
22:51 <Spaceshot> I see
22:57 <Brunius> i.e. 1ccs, 2 inf squad, sentinel
23:02 <Spaceshot> why?
23:06 <Brunius> Didn't know what I wanted
23:12 <Brunius> And I didn't have $155 at the time
23:16 <Spaceshot> until you realised it was the battalion? XD
23:30 <Brunius> What?
23:54 <Spaceshot> you must of been irritated once you realised what you bought was the battalion minus a HWS
24:03 <Brunius> Not really
25:19 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, things that irritate you don't necessarily irritate other people
25:24 <Mekkis> and vice versa 
25:39 <Spaceshot> you're a prime example mekkis
25:53 <Mekkis> thank you :)
25:54 <Mekkis> thank you :)
27:11 * Mort- hugs mekkis :p
38:31 <OsterGuard> I wanna hug :(
43:31 <Spaceshot> haha, spiked chain invulnerable barbarian
43:32 <Spaceshot> WIN
43:34 * Brunius throws a line in to the river, with cookie bait
52:56 <Mort-> That was a scenario : s
53:22 <Mort-> He had to fish a wet elven wizard out of the water :(
53:49 <Avatar> shit, what day does conquest start
53:51 <Avatar> friday morning?
55:16 <Mort-> The water was so cold :(
55:24 <Mort-> And i can't swim :(
58:06 <Brunius> friday morning, yeah
58:31 <Mort-> Ill be gone on Friday
58:36 <Mort-> Out shopping
59:05 <Mort-> Might be gone on sat too
59:21 <Mort-> Depending on whether i get the stuff on Friday
04:27 <Avatar> my goddamn t-shirt hasn't arrived yet
04:48 <Brunius> ha
05:07 <Brunius> Print out the order invoice and complain
05:14 <Brunius> To stephen
05:20 <Spaceshot> :P
05:49 <Avatar> well I just want the reroll
05:58 <Spaceshot> cheese much?
05:59 <Avatar> I'll get them to make an allowance if I bring the receipt
06:03 <Spaceshot> spending money for ingame bonuses
06:13 <Brunius> Sounds like Avatar
06:13 <Avatar> you don't even buy the books 
06:22 <Brunius> Haha
06:24 <Spaceshot> I've bought what I need to play
06:29 <Avatar> what, nothing
06:30 <Brunius> You don't but the books
06:32 <Spaceshot> I've got the CRB in hardback
06:34 <Brunius> you buy the pdfs
06:40 <Brunius> :O
06:41 <Avatar> you have an oracle
06:42 <Spaceshot> and APG, UM and Taldor pdf
06:45 <Spaceshot> legally
06:47 <Brunius> He's got pdfs man
06:50 <Avatar> oh did you buy the pdf
06:53 <Spaceshot> those 3 were needed for Ava
06:55 <Spaceshot> yep
07:00 <Avatar> well I stand corrected
07:01 <Avatar> props to you
07:07 <Brunius> Didn't you see him throwing around watermarked pdfs for RPT?
07:07 <Spaceshot> XD
07:16 <Avatar> are you lying
07:29 <Spaceshot> I was throwing around that watermarked sheet printed from a PDF :P
07:29 <Brunius> Dude
07:33 <Brunius> He was
07:37 <Avatar> okay
07:39 <Avatar> I can't tell
07:54 <Brunius> (I could forge watermarked pdfs but can't be bothered)
07:56 <Spaceshot> I printed the only sheet I was going to need on hand constantly
08:10 <Avatar> watermarked with your name
08:15 <Brunius> Yeah
08:18 <Brunius> I could man
08:22 <Avatar> not you
08:44 <Brunius> Yeah he was
08:52 <Avatar> sounds shifty
08:57 <Spaceshot> yup with my name
10:03 <Spaceshot> clearly
10:12 <Avatar> man
10:33 <Spaceshot> you found me out
10:42 <Avatar> why bother even forging it
10:47 <Spaceshot> tell stephen to revoke my RPT sheet
10:59 <Avatar> nobody's revoking your chronicle sheet because you don't have the book
11:10 <Avatar> you're supposed to have it to not be an inconvenience
11:38 <Avatar> just buy it when you're able
11:49 <Brunius> Fairly sure that's sarcasm uo
11:50 <Brunius> yo
12:01 <Avatar> it's not man
12:18 <Spaceshot> it is
12:28 <Spaceshot> Brunius is on the money today
12:28 <Avatar> don't lie
12:53 <Spaceshot> I could forward you my reciet, but I don't believe that's your concern
13:06 <Spaceshot> receipt*
13:10 <Brunius> Hmm
13:18 <Brunius> To install windows 8, or not to install windows 8
13:29 <Spaceshot> why would you do that to yourself brun?
13:33 <Brunius> See what it's like
13:40 <Spaceshot> have you seen the windows mobile?
14:11 <Brunius> Yep
14:16 <Brunius> I know that's what it's like
14:21 <Brunius> I DID do my research
14:22 <Spaceshot> windows 8 is litterally that
14:40 <Avatar> everything I've heard about windows 8 says it's garbage
14:48 <Spaceshot> I bet they've got back to old school macintosh days of you have 3 folders, those folders have programs
14:49 <Spaceshot> that's it
14:55 <Brunius> Wasn't 7 apparently garbage for the first year
14:59 <Spaceshot> because windows phone 7 is garbage avatar
15:00 <Brunius> Crashed all the time
15:10 <Spaceshot> there is a difference to broken and garbage
15:21 <Spaceshot> you got a broken bike? you fix it
15:37 <Spaceshot> you got a garbage bike? you get shunned and eventually either buy a better one or don't ride again
18:32 <Spaceshot> I've already got a 2handed weapon - Spiked Chain
25:13 <Brunius> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xJqkzngBI
25:42 <Brunius> Not sure whether to laugh or cry
29:44 <Avatar> that's pretty funny
31:13 <Mort-> I can't say ifill be around on sat or not
31:39 <Mort-> Depends on fridays shopping result
32:53 <Brunius> Jewellers files
32:59 <Spaceshot> ahh
33:03 <Spaceshot> remember how much the set was?
33:26 <Brunius> Nah
33:42 <Spaceshot> I'm looking at combatcompany
33:53 <Spaceshot> and they've got galeforce 12pc set for 16
34:12 <Spaceshot> and 5 micro diamond set for the same
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54:20 <Brunius> We don't know if those are anywhere approaching legit yet
54:37 <War_Wrecker> They are consistent with each other
54:48 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow the problem is that the release dates...
55:02 <War_Wrecker> Were first slated to be february
55:20 <War_Wrecker> And now they're looking like they're going to be in the second half of the year
55:27 <Brunius> We've had "before the next olympics" for a while
57:22 <Brunius> Hmm, I need to pick up another HWS
12:37 <Spaceshot> HWS?
12:50 <Spaceshot> War_Wrecker: I try not to take rumors seriously
13:01 <Spaceshot> it's better for yourself if you don't
13:13 <Brunius> Heavy Weapons Squad
13:18 <Spaceshot> just think of rumors as a fans education guess
13:19 <Spaceshot> ahh
13:27 <War_Wrecker> I'm not taking any rumors seriously except for the estimated time of delivery
13:27 <Spaceshot> you've got what, 6 HWT?
13:39 <War_Wrecker> And I think the codex isn't going to come out for ages
13:55 <Spaceshot> TOA is speculated to be roughly the same time this year that 8th ed was released a few years back
14:55 <Mekkis> Brunius, what do you suggest I use for basecoating?
14:56 <Mekkis> Brunius, what do you suggest I use for basecoating?
15:06 <Mekkis> (other people who do painting are free to respond too...)
15:07 <Mekkis> (other people who do painting are free to respond too...)
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16:56 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, what do you suggest I use for basecoating?
18:03 <Mekkis> yeah
18:19 <Spaceshot> some form of black or white spray
20:11 <Spaceshot> if you don't mind forking out
20:25 <Spaceshot> get a minature specific spray paint
20:32 <Spaceshot> like army painter
21:21 <Brunius> I use fiddly bits
21:32 <Brunius> Should be available in your hardware shop
21:35 <Brunius> Does pretty well
22:04 <Spaceshot> I've used army painter, and omg that is awesome
22:13 <OsterGuard> There's a staaaaaaarrrrmaaaaaaannn, waiting in the sky.
22:14 <Spaceshot> a bit expensive, but worth it imop
22:16 <Spaceshot> imo*
22:48 <OsterGuard> He'd like to come and meet us, but he know's he'd blow our minds
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30:27 <OsterGuard> did everyone like my performancE?
30:40 <Brunius> It was wonderful
32:34 <OsterGuard> thank you :)
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54:27 <OsterGuard> WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR TAIL???
54:28 <OsterGuard> D:
55:03 <Mort-> They keep saying I'm not a lemur
55:14 <OsterGuard> hmm?
55:21 <OsterGuard> I got a cat vibe
55:32 * You've invited Mort- to #testtwo (badger.qld.au.austnet.org)
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56:28 <Mort-> Do you think I'm a cat?
57:01 <OsterGuard> What with the swishy tail, purring, and pouncing, yes.
57:42 <Mort-> Ah i see
57:43 <Mort-> Close
57:57 <Mort-> I do have some cat traits
58:22 <OsterGuard> so you're a lemur?
58:35 <Mort-> Yes
58:39 <Mort-> I'm a mur
58:47 * Mort- purrs
59:06 <Mort-> How certain will you be that you'll be around on sat anyway
59:30 <Mort-> Ill have to see my shopping schedule
00:06 <OsterGuard> it's 50/50 at the moment, but I'll almost definately be around on sunday
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00:51 <Mort-> Ok
01:20 <Mort-> I also have to see my shopping schedule
01:37 <OsterGuard> Why is that?
02:03 <Mort-> I'm due shopping
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11:41 <Spaceshot59> gamers dread shopping mort
11:47 <Spaceshot59> how dare you break gamer/geek code
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12:29 <Mort-> Because i need a pair of decent shoes
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12:36 <Mort-> Or actually more then a pair
12:53 <Spaceshot59> push her aside with pathfinder
14:25 <Brunius> You should DM something Spaceshot
14:58 <Spaceshot> I should
16:17 <Spaceshot> doubtfully going to
16:21 <Spaceshot> but should
19:40 <Mort-> Now if you want to comment about my attendence here
19:53 <Mort-> It has been much more frequent then yours has
20:01 <Mort-> When it comes to showing up for games
20:09 <Mort-> My shopping trip on the other hand
20:15 <Mort-> Has been long coming
20:46 <Mort-> I have a wedding to attend sometime in July and i have yet to get a pair of decent shoes for it
22:28 <Spaceshot> I don't believe I said I cared
22:31 <Spaceshot> wait
22:35 * Spaceshot looks over the chat
22:36 <Spaceshot> nope
22:41 <Spaceshot> no fucks given, at all
22:42 <Spaceshot> not even one
25:54 <Spaceshot> or a babling emo fuck
26:00 <Spaceshot> I'll let you choose from now on
29:22 <Mort-> You could just stick your nose out
29:34 <Mort-> When your in one of those moods
29:51 <Spaceshot> ??
30:01 <Spaceshot> helpfulness should come in understandable flavour
30:36 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, get a blog and do the emo thing. On the blog
30:37 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, get a blog and do the emo thing. On the blog
31:18 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: nah, livejournals are where it's at
31:39 <Spaceshot> also, PEOPLE DON'T USUALLY GIVE A SHIT SO TYPING UNREAD SHIT IS A WASTE OF TIME
31:44 <Spaceshot> just putting it out there
33:28 <Spaceshot> just because you don't want to hear/read it, doesn't mean it's not going to be there
33:34 <Spaceshot> so live with it Mekkis
34:00 <Mekkis> why are you typing here then, Spaceshot?
34:14 <Spaceshot> why are you so against it being here
36:50 <Mekkis> because a blog allows you to write something, then read it back in a year's time, and go "what an idiot I was back then"
36:51 <Mekkis> because a blog allows you to write something, then read it back in a year's time, and go "what an idiot I was back then"
39:19 <Spaceshot> no need to be synical
39:29 <Spaceshot> just because you don't have emotions, doesn't mean others don't
39:36 <Spaceshot> I bet I did
39:38 <Mort-> Its cynical
39:41 <Spaceshot> I also bet I don't give a fuck
39:43 <Mort-> ^^
39:46 <Spaceshot> XD
39:53 <Spaceshot> yea it felt wrong
40:09 * Mort- is an amused mur
40:17 <Spaceshot> anywho, cynical is the wrong word, incensitive is a better word for this time
40:29 <Mort-> Lol
40:36 <Mort-> Spelling mistake number 2
40:44 <Mort-> Insensitive ^^
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41:04 <Spaceshot> Mort-: you're really good at catching the fucks I don't give :P
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46:24 <Spaceshot> bet it has
46:34 <Mort-> Spreading good spelling wherever i go!
46:45 * Spaceshot continues to listen to depressive music cause that's how I'm rolling at the moment
46:55 <Mort-> My aunt who is an English teacher would be so proud of me!
50:34 <Brunius> That's bad grammar Mort-
50:46 <Brunius> Fragment (Consider revising)
55:02 <Mort-> Lol
06:45 <Mekkis> missing a comma
07:27 <Mekkis> as I see it, a rogue/paladin isn't a bad idea
07:39 <Mekkis> if you take the concept of Paladin to mean Good, Devoted
07:40 <Mekkis> if you take the concept of Paladin to mean Good, Devoted
07:53 <Mekkis> and the concept of Rogue to be Teamplayer
07:54 <Mekkis> and the concept of Rogue to be Teamplayer
09:49 <Spaceshot> but why are you actually making a rogue/paladin
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10:58 <Mekkis> why not?
11:36 <Mekkis> I don't feel I need to justify my character decisions with you.
11:37 <Mekkis> I don't feel I need to justify my character decisions with you.
11:39 <Spaceshot> why are you making a rogue/paladin compared to say, a straight fighter
12:09 <Spaceshot> is it because you want to make a plate wearing character who can sneak attack and use a few useful wands without requiring UMD?
12:14 <Spaceshot> or just lay on hands
12:25 <Mort-> Its his character
12:30 <Mekkis> It's 
12:31 <Mekkis> It's 
12:42 <Mekkis> (contraction of "it is")
12:44 <Mort-> We can all go to hell in our own ways so to speak
12:57 <Spaceshot> I'm still a bit baffled about the paladin side, but there must be some paladin specific thing that makes it more appealing than a fighter/samuari/cav
13:10 <Mekkis> because, who better than a paladin to teach teamwork, and who better than a rogue to exploit it?
13:11 <Mekkis> because, who better than a paladin to teach teamwork, and who better than a rogue to exploit it?
13:47 <Mort-> Yeah I'm on cell and it doesn't give the punctuations that well
13:48 <Spaceshot> yea, doubt that's your reason
13:54 <Spaceshot> I really really doubt it mekkis
13:57 <Mort-> What is teamwork
14:04 <Mort-> Seriously
14:16 <Spaceshot> you've talked about a rogues only useful ability is sneak attack
14:19 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, hey, it's a better reason than "to piss off Mekkis" - which you've admitted is the purpose for your characters.
14:20 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, hey, it's a better reason than "to piss off Mekkis" - which you've admitted is the purpose for your characters.
14:23 <Spaceshot> and that you might as well plate up a sneak attack
14:28 <Spaceshot> hahaha
14:34 <Spaceshot> I never said to piss off mekkis
14:39 <Mekkis> you didn't
14:40 <Mekkis> you didn't
14:43 <Mekkis> I asked and you agreed
14:47 <Mort-> Lol
14:56 <Mort-> Logs or it didn't happen ^^
15:10 <Spaceshot> Mekkis, I should be use to arguing with an elitist is nothing but a waste of effort
15:11 <Spaceshot> Mekkis, I should be use to arguing with an elitist is nothing but a waste of effort
15:13 <Spaceshot> so I'll stop
15:18 <Mekkis> brb... firing up grep
15:18 <Spaceshot> you win, I lose, I don't care
15:19 <Mekkis> brb... firing up grep
15:33 <Mort-> What's a grep
15:51 <Mekkis> GNU Regular Expression Parser
15:54 <Brunius> which grep
16:01 <Mekkis> which grep?
16:06 <Mekkis> /usr/bin/grep
16:37 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:40 <MekkisScreen>  I thought you made Ava to piss me off me by making a deaf oracle
16:37 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:58:25 <Spaceshot>     I couldn't be assed if wizards were at the power level of 3.0bards, as long as I could make a wizard that is different from other wizards, that they can't just become by getting the same spells or that 1 or 2 feats that makes me different
16:37 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:58:27 <Spaceshot>     I'd be ok
16:37 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:58:31 <Spaceshot>     MekkisScreen: that too XD
16:38 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:58:27 <Spaceshot>     I'd be ok
16:38 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:58:31 <Spaceshot>     MekkisScreen: that too XD
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16:59 <Brunius> "that too" implies it was a secondary motivation
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17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:13 <Spaceshot>     I made ava mainly to prove to mekkis that a healbot is useful
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:22 <Spaceshot>     well, prove mekkis wrong
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:22 <MekkisScreen>  oh
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:24 <Brunius>       If you want them to be individual, I see that. That's why I don't want my gunslinger to be run of the mill. But what I see above is "hey guys, they nerfed wizards soooo much in PF, QQ"
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:28 <Spaceshot>     don't really care if he notices or not :P
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:39 <Spaceshot>     what?
17:10 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:40 <MekkisScreen>  I thought you made Ava to piss me off me by making a deaf oracle
17:11 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:13 <Spaceshot>     I made ava mainly to prove to mekkis that a healbot is useful
17:11 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:22 <Spaceshot>     well, prove mekkis wrong
17:11 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:22 <MekkisScreen>  oh
17:11 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:24 <Brunius>       If you want them to be individual, I see that. That's why I don't want my gunslinger to be run of the mill. But what I see above is "hey guys, they nerfed wizards soooo much in PF, QQ"
17:12 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:28 <Spaceshot>     don't really care if he notices or not :P
17:14 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:39 <Spaceshot>     what?
17:16 <Mekkis> Mar 19 15:57:40 <MekkisScreen>  I thought you made Ava to piss me off me by making a deaf oracle
17:58 <Spaceshot> you win, I lose, I don't care
18:28 <Spaceshot> and congrats Brunius, you realise what words mean
18:39 <Spaceshot> you get to take a cookie that mort has probably already stolen
18:54 <Brunius> Well then, I won't try to take your side in future.
19:13 <Spaceshot> Brunius: I really really really don't give a fuck what mekkis thinks
19:25 <Brunius> Yet you continue to argue against him.
19:26 <Avatar> you obviously do if you are going to argue to pieces about it
19:39 <Spaceshot> so any input into that arguement/discussion/conversation just means it'll continue longer
19:40 <Spaceshot> and avatar
19:41 <Spaceshot> and avatar
19:55 <Spaceshot> [10:15.17] <Spaceshot> you win, I lose, I don't care
20:02 <Avatar> you say you don't care but you do
20:04 <Spaceshot> that's the part where I cease to give a fuck
20:10 <Avatar> secretly
20:11 <Avatar> secretly
20:22 <Spaceshot> wow, you're a master of finding fucks that don't exist
20:27 <Mekkis> Avatar, it'll be Conquest day at Conquest :)
20:28 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldah?Conquest-Day
21:25 <Brunius> haha
21:27 <Brunius> What day?
22:37 <Brunius> Necromancy school and undead
22:38 <Brunius> Not bad
23:22 <Avatar> sweet
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29:37 <Avatar> you can use it in a module
29:40 <Avatar> that would be pretty sweet
29:49 <Avatar> much more valuable
32:32 <Spaceshot> fuck it, I'm gonna go
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38:26 <Avatar> good old spaceshot
40:29 <Brunius> I've got him on ignore now
40:39 <Brunius> just can't be bothered dealing with him
41:20 <Avatar> it's quite stressful
41:38 <Mekkis> what's a good second level summoner spell?
42:56 <Brunius> Haste
43:01 <Mekkis> I have haste
43:09 <Brunius> Haha, looking at Jagged's facebook activity
43:22 <Brunius> I'm suspecting his account has been hijacked
44:07 <Mekkis> Bull's Strength?
44:16 <Mekkis> Glitterdust?
44:50 <Brunius> I'd go with glitterdust personally
45:14 <Mekkis> that's starting to sound boring :S
45:15 <Mekkis> that's starting to sound boring :S
46:05 <Mort-> Everything is nicer with glitterdust
46:22 * Mort- has a dreamy smile on her face
46:51 <Mort-> If you give hydra bulls strength he will be your fan for life
47:07 <Mort-> But seriously he is about to get himself a +4 belt
47:52 <Avatar> Brunius: I just force-added you to a group
47:57 <Brunius> Avatar, are you expressing interest in stuff at conquest that isn't PFS?
48:05 <Avatar> no not really
48:06 <Brunius> I saw
48:08 <Mekkis> I'll take Summon Eidolon
48:09 <Mekkis> I'll take Summon Eidolon
48:14 <Mekkis> so I can bs around a bit
48:15 <Mekkis> so I can bs around a bit
48:20 <Brunius> <Avatar> are there more details about this somewhere? link?
48:21 <Brunius> a few seconds ago · Like
48:23 <Mekkis> Brunius, I might be... what sort of thing?
48:24 <Mekkis> Brunius, I might be... what sort of thing?
48:31 <Avatar> yeah
48:35 <Avatar> I am not expressing interest
48:39 <Mekkis> for the Saturday evening session
48:40 <Mekkis> for the Saturday evening session
48:49 <Avatar> the guy is distressed that nobody will play his game
48:51 <Brunius> Mekkis: He force added me to a group, so I'm pulling apart why he did it
49:05 <Avatar> I had no idea what it's about, and neither will any of his other potentials
49:05 <Mekkis> who?
49:06 <Mekkis> who?
49:13 <Avatar> Mekkis: if you were on facebook, you'd know
49:27 <Brunius> Yeah man
49:29 <Brunius> Jeez
50:32 <Mekkis> man
50:39 <Mort-> I still don't like giant spiders anyway
50:41 <Mekkis> these choices are really boring
50:42 <Mekkis> these choices are really boring
50:49 <Mekkis> I'm taking Spider Climb
50:50 <Mekkis> I'm taking Spider Climb
51:03 <Mekkis> who's to bet I'll never use it
51:04 <Mekkis> who's to bet I'll never use it
51:14 * Mort- raises paw
51:44 <Mekkis> well
51:45 <Mekkis> well
52:09 <Mekkis> Phantom Steed might be interesting
52:10 <Mekkis> Phantom Steed might be interesting
53:28 <Mort-> You already have a mount
53:32 <Mort-> Don't ye
53:58 <Mekkis> not yet
53:59 <Mekkis> not yet
54:21 <Mekkis> I am feeling lazy
54:25 <Mekkis> so I'll take the obvious feat
54:26 <Mekkis> so I'll take the obvious feat
54:29 <Mekkis> Extra Evolution
55:04 <Avatar> did you see the errata for UM Mekkis
55:08 <Avatar> re antagonise
55:10 <Mekkis> yes
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55:16 <Avatar> sux
55:20 <Mort-> Lol
55:29 <Mort-> I sleep better at night now
55:30 <Mekkis> I know
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55:43 <Avatar> now npc's wont be committing suicide at you anymore
55:49 <Mekkis> I'm changing from Skilled (intimidate) to Skilled (diplomacy) :)
56:01 <Mort-> At least i won't have nightmares of giant spiders
56:04 <Mort-> :p
56:50 <Mekkis> still
57:10 <Mekkis> probably should just change it to pounce
57:11 <Mekkis> probably should just change it to pounce
58:05 <Mort-> I guess it consists of mob abuse
58:18 <Mort-> But isn't it fun to go fishing? :)
58:36 <Mort-> You just reel them in
59:40 <Brunius> I finished painting my fighter mini today
59:40 <Mekkis> damn spelling errors 
59:41 <Mekkis> damn spelling errors 
59:43 <Mekkis> in source code
59:49 <Brunius> Now I need a cutlass/pistol mini
00:03 <Brunius> Wonder if I could convert one from warhammer
00:33 <Brunius> Probably be too big
00:37 <Brunius> Damned heroic scale
12:14 <Brunius> Do enhancement bonuses on armour apply to touch AC
12:44 <Mekkis> no
14:29 <Mort-> Get deflection
14:52 <Mekkis> no
14:55 <Mekkis> defending weapon
14:57 <Mekkis> in each hand
15:01 <Mekkis> and defending shield spikes
15:05 <Mekkis> and defending armour spikes
15:20 <Mekkis> and defending amulet of mighty fists
15:40 <Brunius> What's a good first level paladin spell from CRB or UC?
15:48 <Mekkis> BLESS WEAPON
16:12 <Mort-> Is the wand 750 gp?
16:25 <Brunius> Not if it's a paladin spell
16:30 <Brunius> More like 1000
16:36 <Mort-> Really?
16:39 <Brunius> From what I remember
16:42 <Mort-> Only 1000?
16:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, Bless Weapon is great!
16:49 <Mort-> Awesome
16:55 <Mekkis> it's low-level Holy Sword
17:10 <Mort-> Ill get balaar to help khaz look like a pally :p
17:22 <Mort-> He even has the plate to match ^^
17:47 <Mort-> Is there something inherently wrong to make your imp bless your weapon?
18:35 <Mekkis> Mort-, not at all
18:41 <Brunius> An imp BLESS your weapon?
18:41 <Mort-> Lol
18:44 <Mort-> Yes
18:47 <Mekkis> except that you can't
18:51 <Mort-> He has better charisma 
18:51 <Mekkis> because it's your weapon
18:53 <Mort-> Why?
19:02 <Mort-> Weapon touched?
19:11 <Mekkis> I thought it was your weapon
19:13 <Mort-> So i have to pretend I'm a pally?
19:37 <Mekkis> wow
19:48 <Mekkis> pdflatex takes a long time to compile this character sheet
20:09 <Mort-> Range touch
20:22 <Mort-> Ok balaar. Touch my weapon. Tyvm
20:27 <Mort-> See?
20:31 <Mort-> Didn't say whose
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25:28 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wands
25:39 <Mort-> First level pally wand 750 gp,g
25:51 <Mort-> ?
26:46 <Mekkis> Mort-, what's the link to your 11th level Khaz?
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32:06 <Mekkis> Brunius, check this out:
32:30 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=4
32:34 <Mekkis> Itzamna's sheet
33:06 <Brunius> Cool story bro
33:51 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/itzamna.txt
33:54 <Mekkis> ascii version
34:45 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Charsheet.pdf
34:52 <Mekkis> Automatically generated PDF version
35:16 <Brunius> Chill tale brethren
35:25 <Brunius> Requires more draconic creatures
35:41 <Mekkis> can I play a dragon in your campaign?
38:41 <Brunius> What's the LA :P
38:54 <Avatar> snypt just confirmed he can't make conquest
39:09 <Avatar> working throughout easter except sunday, and he's doing family stuff that day
39:11 <Brunius> :(
39:21 <Brunius> Get him to show up easter sunday
39:54 <Avatar> how about I get you to show up easter sunday
42:08 <Mekkis> Brunius, no LAs in Pathfinder
42:13 <Brunius> I am showing up easter sunday
42:16 <Brunius> :P
42:29 <Avatar> good, mission accomplished
42:43 <Mekkis> Brunius, if you want, you can use my tickets if I get roped into GMing anything
42:46 <Brunius> Can I have $15 for showing up easter sunday
43:37 <Brunius> (It's for a 3x DKA draft)
44:14 <Mekkis> that reminds me Brunius: want me to bring a box or two of cards that are cluttering my desk for you?
44:16 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/monsters-as-pcs
44:38 <Brunius> That'd be great
44:40 <Brunius> Thanks :)
46:57 <Brunius> I can't see any dragon entry there
47:08 <Brunius> :P
47:21 <Mekkis> it's covered by the section at the top
47:42 <Mekkis> For monsters with racial Hit Dice, the best way to allow monster PCs is to pick a CR and allow all of the players to make characters using monsters of that CR. Treat the monster's CR as its total class levels and allow the characters to multiclass into the core classes. Do not advance such monsters by adding Hit Dice. Monster PCs should only advance through classes.
47:56 <Mekkis> If you are including a single monster character in a group of standard characters, make sure the group is of a level that is at least as high as the monster's CR. Treat the monster's CR as class levels when determining the monster PC's overall levels. For example, in a group of 6th-level characters, a minotaur (CR 4) would possess 2 levels of a core class, such as barbarian.
48:26 <Brunius> I'm reading it
48:31 <Brunius> No need to spam the channel
49:30 <Brunius> Read the next paragraph
49:43 <Brunius> I'm gonna go with unsuitable due to powers
49:48 <Mekkis> no problem :)P
49:54 <Mekkis> you brought up the lack of dragons
50:25 <Mekkis> there's a reason it's called Pathfinder, rather than anything to do with Dungeons or Dragons
50:49 <Brunius> Because we find paths, rather than be dragons in dungeons?
50:56 <Mekkis> I've only seen a dragon for 6 seconds!
51:00 <Brunius> Pah, all my friends are going to sleep...
51:10 <Brunius> Bairaq saw one for 12-18 seconds
51:15 <Brunius> Then it was dead...
51:25 <Mekkis> oh
51:32 <Mekkis> I saw quite a few in another scenario
51:40 <Mekkis> killed a rogue
51:41 <Mekkis> :)
52:13 <Mekkis> and I managed to bluff a dragon and four DMs that my illusion of a human druid was actually an eldar air elemental
52:26 <Brunius> Ha
58:44 <Mort-> Mekkis
58:53 <Mekkis> Mort-
58:55 <Mort-> Same site as xyniel
59:10 <Mekkis> Check out Xyniel's sheet
59:10 <Mort-> Except i didn't make public
59:31 <Mort-> I forgot site
59:33 <Mort-> Site on comp
59:47 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=15
59:51 <Brunius> Midnight
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