// #d&d — 2012-04-16
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00:01:25 <Mort-> Metamagic Mastery (Su)
00:01:32 <Mort-> mek would you rule it owrks on ehighten spell for increasing spell level?
00:01:37 <Mort-> else I really see no point of this thingie
00:01:54 <Mort-> At 8th level, you can apply any one metamagic feat that you know to a spell you are about to cast. This does not alter the level of the spell or the casting time.
00:01:59 <Mort-> the metamagic feat itslef alters the spell though
00:02:02 <Mort-> alters the level
00:02:18 <Mekkis> Mort-, apply it to quicken
00:02:36 <Mort-> I dont have quicken
00:02:37 <Thelen> Gming
00:02:43 <Mort-> how many metamagic feats do you think I have?
00:02:46 <Thelen> 3
00:02:56 <Mekkis> Friendly Local Game Store, Comet
00:03:02 <Mort-> Any time you use this ability to apply a metamagic feat that increases the spell level by more than 1, you must use an additional daily usage for each level above 1 that the feat adds to the spell. E
00:03:04 <Mort-> watch it
00:03:06 <Mort-> dont anyhow stack stuff
00:03:12 <Mort-> else Id have taken presistent by now
00:03:16 <Mort-> quicken is a +4
00:05:40 <Comet> Without one unfortunately, hence myself being here :/
00:05:57 <Comet> Know any other good pathfinder societ chat rooms|?
00:06:24 <Thelen> there isn't really anything else online
00:06:29 <Thelen> theres plenty of PF
00:06:31 <Thelen> but not PFS
00:08:04 <Comet> Where can i go for pathfinder in that case
00:08:18 <Comet> I wasn't waware this was the only one
00:08:22 <Thelen> dunno tell me if u find it :D
00:08:44 <Thelen> we aren't the only PFS
00:08:51 <Thelen> theres two more
00:09:00 <Thelen> but afaik tey are less active
00:09:04 <Comet> agh
00:09:18 <Comet> appropriate spelling error :L
00:14:52 Mort- has quit (Quit: )
00:15:28 <Comet> when do they play?
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00:25:15 <Avatar> <?grappled
00:25:15 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action
00:25:16 <diebot> that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the
00:25:16 <diebot> creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
00:27:57 <Comet> ?
00:28:21 <Avatar> ha, here we go
00:28:23 <Avatar> don't think anyone knows man
00:28:28 <Avatar> we know when we play
00:28:30 <Avatar> I'll cast spite, so that anyone that attacks me gets hit with enervation
00:28:32 <Avatar> are you in australia
00:28:39 <Avatar> GM mind games!
00:29:12 <Avatar> ?
00:31:00 <Comet> no[w
00:31:02 <Comet> nope
00:31:06 <Comet> uk :(
00:31:07 <Comet> :L
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04:54:39 Mekkis sets mode -R Mekkis
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05:12:25 Mekkis sets mode +w Mekkis
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07:46:16 Ballig has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 1pm (Mekkis, new game), Sun 1pm (new game) | ED: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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11:18:52 <Mort-> Oh :(
12:03:39 <Hydrazine> WTF IRC
12:03:46 <Hydrazine> I just can't stay on this thing for shit lately.
12:09:47 <Mort-> :(
12:20:04 <Brunius_AFK> ISP problems?
12:20:25 * Mort- is trying to read on the bus without falling sick
12:21:10 <Mort-> Yesterday there was a lot of net split
12:21:28 <Brunius_AFK> Net splits are the servers disconnecting from each other
12:21:36 <Brunius_AFK> I think they were doing maintenance yesterday
12:25:09 <Hydrazine> I dunno. Something.
12:45:18 <Hydrazine> Howdy Steven.
12:45:43 <Steven> sup
12:45:54 <Steven> bout to do me some pfs dm
12:50:40 <Mort-> Urgh
12:54:12 <Hydrazine> You're DMing?
12:54:21 <Mort-> What?
12:54:25 <Mort-> Dming what?
12:56:21 <Steven> dming among the dead
12:56:39 <Mort-> Lol
12:56:42 <Mort-> :d
12:56:54 * Mort- wags a ghost tail
12:58:19 * Ausk fingers his knife in a threatening manner.
12:58:58 * Mort- is indifferent today
12:59:13 <Hydrazine> I didn't know you and your knife had that kind of relationship.
12:59:55 <mortswishytail> Oh
13:00:20 <Mort-> Back
13:00:23 * Ausk approaches mort.
13:00:41 * Mort- isn't scared today
13:01:35 * Ausk swings to hit Mort
13:01:56 <Mort-> Why is he attacking me to begin with?
13:02:10 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1pm (Mekkis, new game), Sun 1pm (new game) | ED: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
13:02:10 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Mon Apr 16 07:37:46 2012
13:02:10 <***> Buffer Playback...
13:02:11 <Ausk> !roll 1d20+9
13:02:11 <dicebot> Ausk, 1d20+9: [1d20=5] 14
13:02:11 <***> Playback Complete.
13:02:29 <Ausk> WITH A COOKIE!
13:02:30 * Hydrazine coughs, "Wimp!"
13:02:51 <Mort-> Oh cool
13:02:54 <Mekkis> I'm fine with them
13:02:57 * Ausk drops a bag of them and walks away.
13:03:03 * Mort- eats the cookie
13:03:09 * Ausk chuckles to himself.
13:03:11 * Mort- eats all of them
13:07:36 <Duhz> Sorry
13:07:40 <Duhz> working on a report too.
13:07:47 <Duhz> I'm okay with that.
13:07:53 <Duhz> PC's have to die sometimes.
13:07:57 <Duhz> I'm a firm believer in that.
13:08:10 <Duhz> Not everyone lives, and when you tell the Archmage-King
13:08:13 <Duhz> To fuck off.
13:08:21 <Duhz> Sometimes its best for him to reduce you to dust.
13:08:26 <Duhz> Or vice-versa.
13:08:33 <Duhz> If a king tells you that you're a twat
13:08:37 <Duhz> And you're epic.
13:08:45 <Duhz> You should just be able to blow him away.
13:09:23 <Duhz> But number-crunching time, when you're in the middle of a conflict, it fucking blows to say to a player, "Ummm eh....you're dead. But as a consolitation it was really fucking cool!"
13:09:47 <Duhz> Or for players to just be picking people to die, even though that's pretty neat.
13:11:53 <Duhz> I actually think fighters should get insta-kill moves.
13:12:04 <Duhz> Like actual neck-breaking and garrote deathes.
13:12:06 <Duhz> deaths*
13:12:36 <Mort-> Overwhelming critical you get in nwn2
13:12:54 <Mort-> I think i actually got that one...
13:17:11 <Mort-> I wish i were better at talking myself out of a fight though
13:33:25 <Hydrazine> I'd be happy if fighters just had more control type things.
13:34:58 <Brunius_AFK> Mort-, what did you mean earlier?
13:41:14 <Duhz> I guess I just really like brutality and should play more RP engines that are like that.
13:41:48 <Duhz> WOTC based systems are very juggernaunts of power wrestling, style of gameplay.
13:44:33 <Hydrazine> wotc?
13:54:26 <Forevernade> wizards of the coast
13:54:37 <Forevernade> ?
13:56:10 <Forevernade> If you are running a game and you want to have a certain feel because of the setting
13:56:31 <Forevernade> you need to make certain things easier to do, and certain things harder to do, even if it slightly upsets the balance of the game
13:57:26 <Forevernade> if it is a spellcasting game then you would have a system like how wotc runs things
13:57:46 <Forevernade> if you want a more fighter-heavy game then you need to make combat manuvers easier to do
13:58:04 <Forevernade> or at least give people some encouragement to do manuvers
13:58:31 <Duhz> Right.
13:58:40 <Duhz> I agree completely, and have done that.
13:59:26 <Duhz> But I also just think that WOTC-based games are just inherited geared towards magic.
13:59:36 <Duhz> And that shows with the save or die stuff.
13:59:48 <Duhz> A one round wizard duel, is actually pretty epic.
14:00:02 <Duhz> Even if on paper it's sort of blag.
14:00:04 <Duhz> blah*
14:00:16 <Forevernade> http://arsludi.lamemage.com/index.php/54/rules-influence-style/
14:00:26 <Forevernade> this is a good article on what i am trying to say
14:00:34 <Forevernade> yeah it most certainly is
14:00:46 <Forevernade> so you might not want to use the wotc magic system
14:01:24 <Duhz> I guess this is sort of a..."in-engine" conversation however.
14:01:27 <Forevernade> if you want more combat focus, then scrap vancian magic, or use a lower-power magic system like Foxwarrior's Powerful Mage / Powerful Cleric variants
14:01:42 <Duhz> Not saying I'm not going to go out and do that.
14:01:57 <Duhz> I think variant systems and different engines and stuff is awesome.
14:02:28 <Duhz> But is it still the same pathfinder game without these save or die spells?
14:03:07 <Duhz> Are they what make or breaks the wizard's inherit strength, or is it environment/combat manipulation.
14:03:22 <Duhz> Cause Dominate Person is still pretty much a save or die situation.
14:03:24 <Forevernade> http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Powerful_Wizard_(3.5e_Class)
14:03:35 <Forevernade> convert that to pathfinder if you please
14:04:00 <Forevernade> its not mine but i like it
14:04:03 <Duhz> It's not showing up
14:04:21 <Forevernade> no? i wonder why
14:04:54 <Forevernade> you could still have save or die spells
14:04:56 <Forevernade> using that variant
14:05:12 <Forevernade> simply have items of protection against them
14:05:14 <Forevernade> for example
14:05:24 <Forevernade> not straight resistance vs save or die
14:05:35 <Forevernade> but a ring or a belt that might reduce the number of effective rounds
14:05:42 <Forevernade> that the spell is active for
14:06:02 <Forevernade> that way the person can still be dominated, but the effect is less troublesome
14:06:18 <Forevernade> for certain main characters you don't want to be effected
14:06:40 <Duhz> That sounds good for that scenario, but like finger of death and all that.
14:06:42 <Forevernade> plus if they end up killing them and looting them later they can go 'oh cool ring' and thats some extra loot
14:07:02 <Duhz> Not always a possible scenario obv.
14:07:22 <Forevernade> well finger of death still has a fort save
14:07:26 <Duhz> Right.
14:07:30 <Forevernade> so the ring would pass the fort save for them
14:07:37 <Forevernade> therefore the spell only does 3d6
14:07:41 <Duhz> Gotcha.
14:07:41 <Forevernade> or whatever
14:07:57 <Forevernade> If the target's Fortitude saving throw succeeds, it instead takes 3d6 points of damage + 1 point per caster level. The subject might die from damage even if it succeeds on its saving throw.
14:08:14 <Hydrazine> Duhz, the link didn't work because the part in parenthesis is part of it.
14:08:15 <Duhz> I think that creates alot of paranoia, but maybe less than what already exists.
14:08:20 <Hydrazine> copy-pasta the whole string
14:08:27 <Duhz> will do
14:08:45 <Duhz> Success.
14:09:21 <Forevernade> don't go overboard making changes to a system to fit a style
14:09:32 <Forevernade> usually one or two rules changed is enough to support a setting
14:10:05 <Duhz> Class seems very 4.0 in style.
14:10:08 <Forevernade> but as a GM you have the power to do what you like, as long as you are consistant the player's can't complain
14:10:24 <Hydrazine> Looks likes it 4E. encounter and daily spells?
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14:10:38 <Forevernade> if you dont like it dont use it, but yeah, i was giving you an example of a low powered caster
14:10:45 <Forevernade> for a low magic game
14:11:13 <Duhz> I see that.
14:11:17 <Duhz> I like the spirit of it.
14:11:19 <Forevernade> you could instead make the dailies and encounter spells just normal spell slots
14:11:21 <Hydrazine> Sorry, but my 4E experience is lacking so hard that I couldn't tell how this compares to a normal caster.
14:11:24 <Duhz> And I get what you're saying, right.
14:11:25 <Forevernade> so you have at-wills and spell slots
14:11:37 <Forevernade> rather than dailies and encounters
14:11:40 <Duhz> Right.
14:12:21 <Duhz> Maybe it's more the mentality of some players where they have a..."Play anything but a spellcaster? Are you nuts?"
14:12:36 <Duhz> And that's shouldn't be, and instead for most it isn't.
14:12:44 <Duhz> But still bothers me at times.
14:13:12 <Forevernade> thats usually because they are munchkins, or they don't see fighters as having options and therefore no fun
14:13:19 <Duhz> Right
14:13:26 <Forevernade> which can be true, if you are not focusing on the fighter's roleplay
14:13:27 <Hydrazine> I like my fighter
14:13:40 <Duhz> That's the reason I don't like Magus.
14:13:41 <Forevernade> Hydrazine: you are probably an ok roleplayer then :P
14:13:53 <Duhz> For some reason in my head they get less roleplay than fighters.
14:14:13 <Duhz> I think it's because all my magus players are just damage cannons without personalities.
14:14:38 <Duhz> They do get options, but they get ignored in pursuit of maxing.
14:15:00 <Duhz> The fighter's "realism" can be a real roleplay gem.
14:15:14 <Duhz> The inability to do magic, in a magical world, is crazy.
14:15:41 <Forevernade> heh, i like to give fighters a big skills boost
14:15:50 <Forevernade> their class skills are not very strong
14:15:56 <Forevernade> so they should be good at them
14:16:02 <Forevernade> jumping/climbing/riding
14:16:22 <Hydrazine> Society bothers me a bit,
14:16:34 <Duhz> Me too a little already, but how so?
14:16:36 <Hydrazine> Because I'm starting to feel like the faction missions are rather anti-fighter.
14:16:43 <Duhz> Hahaha
14:16:47 <Duhz> I think that's true.
14:17:11 <Hydrazine> I don't think I've seen more than 1 that could be accomplished by fighter class skills.
14:17:14 <Mort-> Say the word
14:17:17 <Mort-> Ill help you
14:17:22 <Hydrazine> Thats not the point, Mort.
14:17:30 <Mort-> :(
14:17:36 <Duhz> I kind of wish they did away with trapfinding limitation without having the class ability
14:17:38 <Mort-> Khaz gets along fine
14:17:43 <Duhz> That has always bugged me, even in 3.5
14:18:09 <Duhz> Like, my alchemist gets disable device as a class skill
14:18:16 <Duhz> I dump points in it every level
14:18:35 <Duhz> And at the end of the day, all I throw about is bear traps, and that's all I can disarm.
14:19:17 <Duhz> I'm wondering how much of a balance issue provides a feat that gives trapfinding would be.
14:19:28 <Duhz> providing*
14:19:40 <Hydrazine> Hm.
14:20:00 <Duhz> Some might say that makes rogues and shit useless.
14:20:07 <Hydrazine> I think I agree. A party shouldn't have to get manhandled by every trap in the dungeon just because they happen to not include a rogue.
14:20:10 <Duhz> But my player base just loves that sneak attack damage.
14:20:17 <Duhz> Right.
14:20:22 <Hydrazine> Is now the time to put up my 'I wish they'd fix monks' complaint?
14:20:34 <Duhz> Now's your chance!
14:21:34 <Hydrazine> I wish monks could spend a 20 point buy and not end up gimped somewhere.
14:22:16 <Hydrazine> not focusing most of your points into dex and wis gives you a terrible AC that you can't fix as easily as most other classes.
14:22:37 <Duhz> Make a class feature where you can add either strength or wisdom to your damage and attack
14:22:37 <Hydrazine> Focusing there and getting a decent AC means your offense suffers.
14:22:53 <Duhz> Make them SAD
14:23:23 <Hydrazine> whenever I bring this up with Space around, he points to zen archers.
14:23:34 <Duhz> right, but THAT'S NOT THE SAME
14:23:34 <Hydrazine> but you shouldn't need a specific archetype to fix problems with the base class.
14:24:05 <Forevernade> heh
14:24:25 <Duhz> Hi
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14:25:05 <Hydrazine> either give monks a way to get decent AC without huge dex and wis, or a way to get decent offense without strength.
14:25:37 <Duhz> I wish they did more with the martial artist class.
14:25:41 <Hydrazine> My tetori does okay, aslong as he doesn't actually have to melee attack things.
14:25:43 <Duhz> That shit's my jam.
14:25:53 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I agree, its a bit lack-luster, isn't it?
14:25:54 <Avatar> what do you guys think of save or die spells
14:26:02 <Hydrazine> master of styles seems alot better.
14:26:15 <Forevernade> monks have always been a problem child
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14:26:32 <Forevernade> because they are basically fighters
14:26:40 <Forevernade> with their feats chosen for them
14:27:26 <Duhz> Right
14:27:33 <Mort-> They spoil the fun :p
14:27:34 <Mort-> Pk?
14:27:35 <Forevernade> well not entirely
14:27:40 <Forevernade> but it feels like it, to me
14:27:41 <Forevernade> lol
14:27:47 <Duhz> It makes me wish that'd do away with monks
14:27:54 <Duhz> And give fighters an unarmed feat tree
14:27:54 <Hydrazine> the recent flurry discussions bother me too.
14:28:02 <Duhz> Complete with damage boosts
14:28:17 <Duhz> Umm
14:28:31 <Hydrazine> makes me sad, because i love the idea of the monk, always have.
14:28:39 <Hydrazine> my first D&D character ever was a monk.
14:28:45 <Duhz> Welp. I don't like them as a player or DM before level 9
14:29:01 <Duhz> lol my first d&d character was in an asian campaign
14:29:08 <Duhz> And he was a wizard named yoshi
14:29:22 <Duhz> and coolest think I did was charm a shark with some random animal spell
14:29:25 <Hydrazine> did he have a long tongue?
14:29:30 <Hydrazine> shit eggs?
14:29:31 <Avatar> why does it change at level 9
14:29:41 <Duhz> Nope, he was just a coward with no attachment to plumers.
14:29:45 <Duhz> plumbers*
14:30:43 <Duhz> level 9 spells
14:30:46 <Duhz> specfically
14:30:50 <Duhz> Not caster level 9
14:31:01 <Duhz> Like level 18 wizard stuff
14:31:23 <Duhz> I think I'm just more okay with wizards insta-gibing people and creating whole planes and whatnot by that point
14:31:45 <Duhz> But there are times where save or die spells are very cool, and interesting from an RP perspective.
14:32:30 <Forevernade> lol
14:33:17 <Forevernade> if you want to make monks less mad, you can create a feat that gives them wis to str for fist damage
14:33:45 <Forevernade> could be messy though
14:33:50 <Forevernade> i jsut dont like the diea of monks
14:33:54 <Duhz> Yeah, said that earlier. Or you could give them a feature that lets them add their wisdom to their level.
14:34:04 <Duhz> That seems balanced.
14:34:07 <Forevernade> fighters should have access to flurry as a feat
14:34:12 * Mort- doesn't like
14:34:15 <Forevernade> so they can flurry with weapons
14:34:17 <Duhz> And spells.
14:34:27 <Duhz> Fighters should get spells as feats.
14:34:34 <Duhz> They should get EVERYTHING
14:34:39 <Forevernade> lol
14:34:42 <Duhz> And dwarves should get buffed.
14:34:47 <Forevernade> fighters aren't about spells
14:34:50 <Forevernade> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/treantmonk-s-guide-to-monks
14:34:55 <Duhz> That way I can just play dwarven fighters for the rest of my life.
14:35:17 <Duhz> Right. I think in general, I'm not in favor of them
14:35:18 <Duhz> Also, duhz out.
14:35:25 <Duhz> It's sleepy time.
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14:37:42 <Mort-> Rp perspective
14:37:47 <Mort-> Dead is dead.
14:38:18 <Forevernade> monks arent that bad, they are just fighters that use less items
14:38:27 <Forevernade> sometimes that can be a bad thing
14:38:33 <Forevernade> sometimes a good thing
14:38:43 <Forevernade> depending on the game
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14:44:54 <Hydrazine> I think I agree with Duhz.
14:46:15 <Hydrazine> they should redo scorpion/gorgon/medusa into a proper style.
14:47:32 <Mort-> I really cannot imagine myself using phantasmal killer
14:51:01 <Hydrazine> i wonder how vital strike could be altered to make it actually useful without breaking it for someone.
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15:26:34 <Avatar> aren't styles just feats with pre-reqs
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15:37:45 <Avatar> mort are you about
15:38:38 <Hydrazine> kinda, but i don't think scorpion/gorgon/medusa are strong enough to compete with the style feats without adding something.
15:38:57 <Avatar> maybe they should nerf the style feats !
15:39:20 <Hydrazine> monks have it hard enough as it is!
15:40:02 <Mort-> What do you want with the oh great awesome mort you little dirt grubber avatar?
15:40:15 <Mort-> Ah what a mouthful.
15:40:39 <Avatar> have a read of how magic circle against evil works
15:40:50 <Avatar> it seems pretty useful
15:40:53 <Avatar> level 3 spell
15:41:28 <Mort-> Its also expensive
15:41:33 <Mort-> And stays in one spot
15:41:51 <Mort-> Doesn't prevent exsisting domination effects
15:41:58 <Mort-> Just a new save at +2
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15:46:26 <Avatar> I think I need to level up all of my characters
15:46:39 <Avatar> except the one I haven't played with yet
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16:14:27 <MekkisScreen> heh
16:19:39 * Mort- naps
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17:41:03 <Steven_> sup sup
17:41:23 <Steven_> i got sloppy joes
17:43:51 <Brunius_AFK> What's a sloppy joes
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18:58:11 <Ballig> Brunius: in order for heighten spell to have effect, it has to be cast from a higher spell slot
18:58:18 <Ballig> metamagic mastery doesn't alter the spell slot
18:58:20 <Mort-> At end of game i would at most get a +3
18:58:24 <Ballig> so the metamagic feat would have no effect
18:58:44 <Mort-> So it won't do any good trying something not in +1 increments
19:00:14 <Brunius> I interpret it a different way, and if you want to tell me about your way you can go fuck yourself
19:00:22 <Brunius> I've seen enough flame wars to see where this is going
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19:01:13 <Ballig> the fuck is up your ass Brunius?
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19:02:19 <Steven_> digested food prolly
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19:15:16 <Avatar> does gambling seem wrong for an urban druid
19:16:39 <Mort-> Yes gambling is wrong
19:16:44 * Mort- feeling preachy today
19:16:52 <Avatar> why
19:17:09 <Mort-> Gambling gets you into trouble!
19:17:17 <Avatar> so does being a pathfinder
19:17:33 <Avatar> what are you trying to say
19:17:33 <Mort-> You wouldt want to be dumped into a basement!
19:17:35 <Mort-> Between missions because you borrowed money
19:17:36 <Avatar> I would pay my debts
19:17:38 <Avatar> what do you take me for
19:17:40 <Mort-> Lol
19:17:44 <Mort-> A sneaky!
19:17:47 <Avatar> I'm an aasimar
19:17:54 <Mort-> Oh my god
19:18:12 <Mort-> A quarter celestial gambling
19:18:24 <Mort-> What is the world coming to
19:18:44 <Avatar> what
19:18:49 <Avatar> substantiate your claims
19:19:00 <Avatar> I'm trying to think of a profession that will come in useful
19:19:02 <Avatar> besides sailor
19:19:21 <Avatar> i was thinking maybe herbalist
19:19:22 <Avatar> but that's so boring
19:19:35 <Avatar> same with farming
19:19:54 <Avatar> maybe scribe or librarian
19:20:07 <Mort-> Lol
19:20:26 <Mort-> Actually no objections on gambling :p
19:20:40 <Mort-> An it harm none do as thou wilt
19:20:42 <Avatar> gambling is cool I think
19:20:48 <Avatar> even if it never comes in handy
19:21:00 <Mort-> My preachy side just decided to poke out
19:21:00 <Avatar> my druid is supposed to be streetsmart
19:21:36 <Mort-> It can be pretty fun
19:21:53 <Mort-> See how many npcs you can swindle out of their money!
19:22:18 <Ballig> Avatar: Profession (Enforcer)!
19:22:47 <Avatar> there is soldier
19:22:54 <Ballig> Enforcer is like a street soldier
19:22:58 <Ballig> you break peoples' legs for not paying gambling debts
19:23:06 <Avatar> I'm an aasimar
19:23:17 <Avatar> neutral good
19:23:32 <Avatar> so as much as I'd love to break someone's legs, Landruff wouldn't
19:23:42 <Ballig> it's their fault for not paying their gambling debts
19:23:48 <Ballig> you're just setting things right
19:26:00 <Avatar> torture's torture man
19:26:09 <Ballig> it's righteous retribution
19:26:13 <Avatar> is fighting defensively about as bad as combat expertise
19:26:21 <Avatar> -4 to attacks, +2 to AC
19:26:24 <Ballig> a bit worse
19:26:30 <Ballig> you can't make AOOs while fighting defensively
19:26:33 <Ballig> until your next round
19:26:34 <Avatar> I'm not sure why I took a trait for this dumb weapon
19:27:03 <Avatar> 1d10 damage, 19-20/x2, blocking/disarm, no reach
19:27:12 <Ballig> that's pretty good
19:27:17 <Avatar> those crits had want to come out pretty often
19:27:18 <Ballig> two-handed?
19:27:36 <Avatar> yeah two handed
19:27:41 <Ballig> better than a nodachi
19:28:03 <Avatar> no it's not
19:28:13 <Ballig> nodachi isn't blocking/disarm
19:28:15 <Avatar> nodachi is the same except it has 18-20/x2
19:28:23 <Avatar> yeah but blocking is shit
19:28:38 <Avatar> it lets you fight defensively and gives -4 to attacks +3 to AC
19:28:42 <Avatar> what's disarm on a weapon do again
19:28:44 <Avatar> nothing good I think
19:28:56 <Ballig> prevents them being able to disarm you if you fail the roll miserably
19:29:05 <Ballig> usually if you fail by too much, they trip/disarm you in return
19:29:24 <Avatar> and you get a +2 check
19:29:25 <Avatar> where does it say they don't disarm you
19:29:37 <Avatar> not under the disarm special quality
19:29:38 <Mort-> Weapon chords if you really are scared of disarm
19:29:54 <Ballig> maybe that's only on trip then
19:30:04 <Avatar> yeah
19:30:10 <Avatar> just a +2 to CMB
19:30:28 <Ballig> I wouldn't say "just"
19:30:28 <Ballig> that's pretty good
19:31:16 <Avatar> I am actually not terrible at CM's
19:31:22 <Avatar> I am used to being terrible at it
19:31:32 <Avatar> maybe I should consider improved disarm
19:31:57 <Avatar> ug requires combat expertise
19:32:11 <Ballig> just become a grappler monk
19:32:16 <Avatar> and 13 int
19:42:08 <Ballig> just go grappler
19:42:16 <Avatar> I'm not going grappler
19:42:23 <Ballig> do it
19:42:24 <Avatar> I wanted a druid to cast druid spells
19:42:30 <Avatar> in time that will all become meaningless
19:42:33 <Ballig> a grappling druid
19:42:34 <Ballig> a bear grappler
19:42:48 <Avatar> my point buy doesn't allow for a decent grappler
19:42:55 <Avatar> well, maybe decent
19:43:08 <Ballig> you juts have to wildshape into a bear
19:43:10 <Avatar> choosing lantern lodge was a big fat mistake though
19:43:23 <Steven_> alright done putting people into the event
19:43:24 <Avatar> I've never liked lantern lodge
19:43:31 <Steven_> question
19:43:44 <Avatar> exclamation
19:43:57 <Steven_> if i DMed a game run at teir 1-2
19:44:10 <Steven_> and apply it to a character thats level 4
19:44:19 <Steven_> i get the gold from 4-5 teir right?
19:44:25 <Avatar> yeah
19:44:38 <Steven_> cool
19:44:48 <Steven_> its never came up for me
19:45:05 <Steven_> because ive always applied it to a level 1 character before
19:45:38 <Ballig> yeah you always apply to the closest subtier
19:45:39 <Steven_> DMed Among the dead tonight
19:45:40 <Ballig> as long as the character is within the overall tier
19:45:52 <Ballig> but you have to apply down if your character is between subtiers
19:45:58 <Steven_> at teir 1-2
19:46:51 <Steven_> they one shot every single Mob w/ either flurry of blows, barb crits, or rapid shotting things
19:47:09 <Avatar> what was the game we last played where I played Buck
19:47:13 <Avatar> sniper
19:47:22 <Ballig> sniper in the deep
19:47:24 <Steven_> love sniper in the deep
19:47:35 <Avatar> ug I don't get a stat mod increase
19:47:39 <Avatar> all even stats
19:47:52 <Avatar> at 4th I put it into con, which was odd
19:48:03 <Steven_> has anyone here not played Among the dead?
19:48:05 <Ballig> con gives you an immediate bonus
19:48:09 <Ballig> i.e. you die slower
19:48:13 <Avatar> most of us haven't It hink
19:48:18 <Ballig> I've not played it
19:48:45 <Steven_> well... ide avoid it unless you are going to be playing it at the 6-7 teir
19:48:55 <Avatar> I wish there was a spell that gave you +1 to a stat
19:49:15 <Ballig> ha
19:49:22 <Ballig> a level 0 spell to give you +1 to a stat would be awesome
19:49:26 <Avatar> I feel like I should put this next point into con as well
19:49:26 <Ballig> but it's more likely to be level 1
19:49:33 <Avatar> you can play beyond 12th though
19:49:47 <Avatar> supposedly only briefly
19:50:19 <Steven_> Guidance?
19:50:27 <Avatar> do you not know how guidance works
19:50:32 <Steven_> its sort of like +1 to a stat lol
19:50:51 <Avatar> cmon
19:51:02 <Steven_> hehehehe
19:51:22 <Steven_> no but seriously...
19:51:57 <Avatar> seriously what
19:52:11 <Steven_> i cant think of any way you can get a +1 to a skill
19:52:11 <Steven_> or ability rather
19:52:11 <Ballig> stat
19:52:11 <Ballig> and he knows
19:52:28 <Ballig> that's why he said "I wish"
19:52:57 <Steven_> wait...
19:52:57 <Steven_> a wish could do it
19:53:09 <Avatar> Buck only has int 12
19:53:09 <Avatar> maybe I could give him int 13 and combat expertise
19:53:09 <Avatar> and improved disarm or grapple
19:53:17 <Ballig> I'd like to see that
19:53:24 <Steven_> having a 13 int is pretty boss
19:53:38 <Avatar> what else does it give you
19:53:46 <Avatar> aside from the combat expertise feats
19:53:51 <Avatar> which I don't want
19:53:54 <Steven_> does it need to do anything else?
19:54:07 <Avatar> yes, if I'm going to consider taking such a boss stat increase
19:54:29 <Steven_> thats like saying, well she gives me sex whenever i want and makes me sadwiches... but what else can you do for me?
19:54:32 <Steven_> hamburger in a... tomato sauce
19:55:04 <Ballig> he's clearly gay and allergic to sandwiches
19:55:08 <Steven_> on a bun
19:55:13 <Avatar> yes that is why I won't take int 13
19:55:14 <Steven_> with cheese
19:55:18 <Steven_> foiled again!
19:55:32 <Ballig> sucks to have gluten intolerance!
19:55:42 <Avatar> how far are modules supposed to go beyond 12th
19:55:45 <Ballig> right now you can get to level 13 or 14
19:55:57 <Ballig> but that might change next season
19:55:57 <Avatar> hmmmm
19:56:28 <Steven_> thats about it. pretty taty really
19:56:31 <Steven_> theres a level 16 module available for pfs
19:56:32 <Steven_> tasty
19:56:45 <Avatar> really
19:56:54 <Avatar> alright it can go into dex
19:57:11 <Ballig> did you seriously put it into dex
19:57:17 <Avatar> what should I put it in
19:57:23 <Steven_> int
19:57:24 <Ballig> man, and I thought you had problems seeing beyond what's immediately in front of you
19:57:25 <Ballig> that just proves it :p
19:57:27 <Avatar> forget int
19:57:32 <Ballig> er, I meant con
19:57:34 <Avatar> what
19:57:35 <Ballig> did you seriously put it into con at 4th
19:57:39 <Avatar> yeah
19:57:42 <Avatar> it was con 13
19:57:56 <Avatar> and actually, if I hadn't, I'd be dead by now
19:58:02 <Avatar> since I've been reduced to -13 before
19:58:12 <Ballig> -13 should have killed you
19:58:13 <Avatar> so thank you 4th level stat increase to con
19:58:14 <Steven_> oh... my bad
19:58:24 <Steven_> the scenario is level 17
19:58:25 <Avatar> yeah, I got dropped to there after 4th level
19:58:28 <Steven_> errrr module
19:58:35 <Avatar> after I made con 13, con 14
19:58:36 <Ballig> is con 13 or 14 now
19:58:43 <Avatar> con 14 now
19:58:44 <Ballig> why is that bad then
19:58:55 <Avatar> it's not
19:59:02 <Ballig> why were you wondering why you put it into con
19:59:12 <Avatar> I'm not wondering why I put it into con
19:59:18 <Avatar> I'm wondering whether I should put it into con again
19:59:39 <Ballig> [7:47:51 PM] <@Avatar> at 4th I put it into con, which was odd
19:59:43 <Avatar> an odd number
19:59:47 <Avatar> not an odd reasoning
19:59:49 <Ballig> assumed you meant that it was odd
19:59:54 <Ballig> obviously you would put it into dex now
19:59:57 <Ballig> why would you put it into con again
19:59:59 <Steven_> i can see why you would think that ballig
20:00:06 <Avatar> because retirement is supposedly at 12th
20:00:14 <Ballig> so
20:00:17 <Ballig> and it's not anymore
20:00:20 <Ballig> it hasn't been since january
20:00:45 <Avatar> but not with scenarios, right
20:00:52 <Ballig> what do you mean "not with scenarios"
20:00:54 <Avatar> are they releasing 12th+ scenarios
20:00:55 <Ballig> level 12 isn't retirement anymore
20:00:59 <Ballig> they already have
20:01:02 <Ballig> and there are 12+ modules
20:01:03 <Avatar> which ones
20:01:08 <Ballig> I don't know man, ask steven
20:01:11 <Steven_> they are effectively retired due to lack of content, but playable through modules
20:01:12 <Ballig> he's the one saying there's a level 17 scenario
20:01:14 <Avatar> you seem to know
20:01:33 <Steven_> they are however talking about raising the level cap
20:01:45 <Avatar> yeah that seems a bit inevitable
20:01:56 <Ballig> the level cap isn't 12 anymore is it
20:01:57 <Ballig> as far as I'm aware
20:02:01 <Steven_> from what ive heard it will be a topic of discussion at Paizocon this year
20:03:06 <Steven_> the reason they capped it at 12 to begin with was to build up a scenario base without having to waste time on those 12+ scenarios
20:03:20 <Avatar> oh check this out
20:03:48 <Avatar> my AC has been 1 lower than it should have been since level 6
20:03:48 <Steven_> for the around 15_20% of characters to make it that far
20:03:48 <Avatar> for 2 levels
20:05:22 <Avatar> ah, I lie, one level
20:05:22 <Avatar> that's not too bad
20:05:22 <Steven_> as thats no longer the case they removed the hard cap of 12 level max and now its a soft cap
20:05:22 <Steven_> and what character is this for avatar?
20:05:22 <Ballig> yeah there's no hard cap
20:06:25 <Ballig> there are rules for going up to 17th levle
20:06:25 <Ballig> at least, in so far as buying scroll spells
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20:07:09 <Steven_> ah crap, its 3am
20:07:09 <Steven_> ill brb, i gotta go bug sam and see if shes ready to go to bed
20:09:13 <Steven_> cause i got things to do in the morning and i hate when she comes to bed after me
20:09:13 <Ballig> lock the bedroom door when you go to bed
20:09:13 <Steven_> i always end up getting trampled and then im screwed in trying to go back to sleep
20:09:13 <Steven_> yes, because that will totaly solve every problem there is.
20:09:13 <Ballig> yep
20:09:13 <Ballig> you will get a great sleep!
20:09:13 <Steven_> anyways one minute
20:09:13 <Steven_> akies
20:09:13 <Steven_> she threw a couch pillow at me
20:10:20 <Avatar> I bought a lance at first level and I don't think i've ever used it
20:10:20 <Steven_> what a beotch!
20:10:20 <Ballig> yeah lock the bedroom door
20:10:20 <Ballig> Avatar: yeah, I told you you wouldn't use it :p
20:10:20 <Avatar> and the crossbow I've bought was only ever given to someone else who needed to use it because they forgot ranged weapons
20:10:20 <Steven_> shes going to finish her movie and thenw e get to go to bed
20:10:20 <Steven_> so.... prolly 4hrs of sleep
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20:10:20 <Steven_> yay
20:10:20 <Ballig> just lock the door man
20:10:27 <Ballig> stop being so whipped
20:10:27 <Ballig> :p
20:11:31 <Steven_> but i really like having balls
20:11:31 <Steven_> they do useful things
20:11:31 <Avatar> how old are you again
20:11:31 <Ballig> man you don't have balls if you let your girlfriend run the show like that
20:11:31 <Steven_> ill be turning 30 in like 4 months
20:11:31 <Avatar> far out, as old as me
20:12:24 <Avatar> almost
20:12:24 <Steven_> hey, she lets me run things once in a while
20:12:24 <Steven_> lol
20:12:24 <Steven_> plus, when i get serious about something, she folds
20:12:55 <Steven_> im just way to relaxed
20:13:29 <Steven_> so she gets to boss me around till i want something, then i put my foot down, and shes like "okay, i understand, go do it."
20:13:29 <Avatar> ooer, deadly aim gets better
20:13:42 <Steven_> damn right it does!
20:13:51 <Steven_> I had a player try to tell me today they could shoot around a corner
20:13:57 <Steven_> at level 1
20:14:07 <Avatar> at level 8 with full BAB I mean
20:14:07 <Avatar> like what I have
20:15:11 <Mort-> Homing missiles!
20:15:18 <Steven_> i just laughed at him
20:15:29 <Steven_> and when i stopped laughing he was still looking at me
20:15:56 <Ballig> there are rules for it aren't they
20:15:56 <Steven_> and i was like, oh your serious
20:15:56 <Ballig> they/there
20:15:56 <Mort-> Could you use a boomerang?
20:16:01 <tashphones> Ughh 5:30 bus
20:16:26 <tashphones> Always smells like cheap perfume and fat.
20:17:05 <Steven_> Well then, are you a level 11 zen archer?
20:17:05 <Steven_> he said no, i said then shut up bitch we both know you cant fire around a corner
20:17:37 <Steven_> i dont know why people try to do stuff like that
20:17:45 <Steven_> i guess its just to push the limits and see if they can get away with it?
20:18:27 * Steven_ burps at mort.
20:19:04 <Ballig> depends on your definition of "fire around a corner", man
20:19:04 <Ballig> if he's just talking about peeking around the corner, firing, and then ducking back
20:19:04 <Ballig> that's not really "pushing the limits"
20:19:56 <Steven_> no he was talking about shooting a wall and having it glance off and hit a target around a corner
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20:21:03 <Ballig> it could potentially do that, with an incredibly high AC
20:21:03 <Steven_> im fine with cover, take your -4 and move on, but come on
20:21:03 <Ballig> but it wouldn't do any damage
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20:23:50 <Steven_> it was just silly, the whole game was silly, they were roflstomping the npcs so they didnt think anything mattered
20:23:50 <Steven_> and were trying stupid things
20:23:50 * Mort- hides
20:23:50 <Steven_> one point during the game we stopped for a good ten minutes to discuss the benefits of spider climb boots
20:23:50 <Steven_> and we still managed to finish before everyone else by around an hour
20:24:57 <Steven_> party make up was an inquisitor, ranger, barbarian, monk, and fighter
20:25:38 <Steven_> mobs w/ <10hp and AC in the 10-15 ranger make for lame fights
20:25:38 <Steven_> OH MY GOD! SAMS ALMOST DONE WITH THE MOVIE
20:25:58 <Avatar> what does fat smell like
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20:26:27 <Steven_> i hear 'awwwwwwww' sounds from the living room
20:26:27 <Steven_> in that cute happy, lovey dovey sound
20:26:27 <Steven_> that mean the guy and hte girl just admitted they love each other for cereal
20:26:27 <Steven_> and they gonna spend forever with each other
20:27:46 <Steven_> OH YEAH! sorry guys i know your sad
20:27:46 <Steven_> but, i wont ramble at you any longer
20:28:17 <Steven_> im going to bed.
20:29:45 <Mort-> Full melee party
20:29:58 <Mort-> Someone should have tried invis
20:30:06 <Avatar> I have no idea where to put my skill points
20:30:28 <Avatar> they all look pretty good as it is
20:30:43 <Avatar> I'll just say I don't need these skill points! go away!
20:37:28 <Avatar> hmmmm profession gambler
20:39:09 <tashphones> Old mcdonalds and mayo
20:40:39 <Avatar> ew!
20:43:17 <Brunius> Put them all into the most useless skill you can think of
20:43:32 <Brunius> Maybe ride, and then never take a mount
20:43:47 <Ballig> Buck has a mount
20:44:28 <Brunius> I don't know what either of those smell like
20:44:58 <Ballig> you don't know what mayo smells like?
20:45:38 <Brunius> Nope
20:45:43 <Mort-> Yawn.
20:45:59 <Avatar> Dobs
20:46:11 <Mort-> Does metamagic mastery work on heighten spell?
20:46:13 <Sachiru> Uh.
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20:46:14 <Avatar> a horse with a name
20:46:15 <Sachiru> Quick query:
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20:46:25 <Sachiru> Forgot who BossMan was, please refresh my memory?
20:46:32 <Avatar> well he's a dood
20:46:35 <Ballig> need to be more specific about what metamagic mastery is
20:46:39 <Sachiru> I recall him well enough to avoid, but not well enough to know why.
20:46:42 <Ballig> or at least what book it's in
20:46:54 <Avatar> Brunius: why not
20:47:24 <Brunius> Why would I sniff mayo
20:47:40 <Avatar> it has an aroma
20:47:43 <Mort-> At 8th level, you can apply any one metamagic feat that you know to a spell you are about to cast. This does not alter the level of the spell or the casting time.
20:47:44 <Avatar> you don't have to actively sniff it
20:47:49 <Ballig> Mort-: what book is it in
20:47:52 <Ballig> don't just paste a line from it
20:47:55 <Ballig> is it a feat?
20:47:56 <Ballig> is it a class ability?
20:48:08 <Mort-> Class ability
20:48:15 <Ballig> is it a wizard class ability?
20:48:16 <Mort-> Universalist level 8
20:48:18 <Ballig> okay
20:48:19 <Mort-> Yes
20:48:26 <Mort-> It doesnt say there
20:48:46 <Ballig> heighten spell is the one that raises the spell level?
20:48:48 <Ballig> it won't have any effect
20:48:56 <Mort-> Hm
20:49:00 <Brunius> I dunno
20:49:04 <Brunius> It'd be RAW vs RAI
20:49:13 <Mort-> Need to grab another metamagic feat then
20:49:30 <Mort-> Wanted heigten because it can +1 and work on more stuff
20:54:18 <Brunius> He was a bit like Spaceshot
20:55:46 <Brunius> Man I'm finding some Mavor logs while looking for Bossman
20:55:46 <Brunius> this shit is funny
20:56:07 <Brunius> IIRC BossMan was a redneck
20:56:21 <Brunius> Teaching his 11Y/O daughter to smoke?
20:56:32 <Brunius> I can't remember
20:58:14 <Avatar> I got taught to smoke when I was 8
20:58:20 <Avatar> turned me off cigarettes forever
21:03:01 <Avatar> why did I get a handy haversack when a bag of holding is only 500gp more
21:03:15 <Avatar> and carries like 3x the weight
21:03:37 <Ballig> retrieving items from a haversack is a movement action
21:03:39 <Ballig> instead of full round
21:04:06 <Avatar> fuck that SUCKS
21:04:16 <Avatar> why would you ever get a bag of holding
21:04:29 <Ballig> because it's only 500gp more and carries like 3x the weight
21:08:18 <Avatar> why did nobody point out to me before that the character sheet template doesn't have a belt slot
21:08:20 <Brunius> ha
21:08:25 <Brunius> It does
21:08:33 <Brunius> I'm fairly sure
21:08:46 <Brunius> because level 11 Bairaq was wearing a belt of str
21:09:18 <Brunius> Called the waist slot
21:09:21 <Brunius> 2nd from the bottom
21:09:59 <Avatar> I don't have a waist slot on any of mine
21:10:44 <Brunius> Oh, the text one?
21:10:45 <Avatar> yeah
21:10:45 <Brunius> No clue about that.
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21:23:44 <Avatar> man I wish I had a dex belt earlier than now
21:23:47 <Avatar> that was a huge boost
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21:29:25 <Avatar> 2 down, 2 to go
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21:36:21 <Avatar> there's a spell which lets you polymorph into tiny vermin
21:36:21 <Avatar> but there doesn't seem to be any tiny vermin in any of the 3 bestiarys
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21:40:34 <Ballig> a tiny vermin would be like a rat
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21:40:59 <Ballig> you tend not to get stats for regular, run-of-the-mill creatures
21:44:14 <Avatar> this spell needs stats
21:44:39 <Avatar> there's stats for a dog
21:44:54 <Avatar> dire rats are small
21:45:05 <Avatar> rat swarm is tiny
21:45:11 <Avatar> but that's an animal, not vermin
21:45:28 <Ballig> the swarm is made up of tiny animals (rats)
21:45:32 <Ballig> the swarm itself is large
21:45:55 <Avatar> oh good point
21:47:10 <Avatar> crabs are diminutive vermin
21:47:36 <Avatar> as are spiders
21:47:42 <Avatar> and wasps
21:47:48 <Ballig> yeah
21:47:51 <Avatar> that sucks
21:47:55 <Avatar> no tiny vermin
21:48:00 <Ballig> rats are tiny vermin
21:48:06 <Avatar> rats are animals
21:48:11 <Ballig> rats are vermin
21:48:25 <Avatar> the book classes them as animals man
21:48:37 <Ballig> okay
21:48:39 <Avatar> is there an errata I don't know about
21:51:10 <Avatar> think I'll take neutralise poison
21:51:20 <Ballig> take summon swarm !
21:51:21 <Avatar> you lot will like me better
21:51:38 <Avatar> I think vomit swarm is better than summon swarm
21:51:46 <Ballig> only because it's a standard action
21:51:47 <Avatar> oh I already have summon swarm
21:52:41 <Avatar> I've sort of learned my lesson too many times by not taking the remove spells and wanted neutralise poison
21:52:42 <Avatar> quite badly
21:53:33 <Ballig> but you have to prepare it don't you
21:53:41 <Avatar> yep
21:53:44 <Ballig> seems useless
21:53:52 <Avatar> it's not useless when you're about to die
21:53:55 <Avatar> from poison
21:54:00 <Ballig> useless if you haven't prepared it
21:54:02 <Ballig> are you preparing it every day
21:54:06 <Avatar> yeah
21:54:08 <Ballig> okay
21:54:12 <Ballig> then you'll be dying from running out of resources instead
21:54:26 <Avatar> how many uses do you think I'll need of dimension door
21:54:33 <Ballig> seven
21:54:39 <Avatar> then I'm dead anyway !
21:54:48 <Avatar> I'd rather be more of an optimist
21:56:48 <Avatar> I'm open to suggestions for alternative spells
21:57:01 <Avatar> enervation is a bit dumb on the GM
21:57:11 <Avatar> black tentacles will probably be more of a hinderance than a help
21:57:16 <Avatar> death ward is decent, but situational
21:57:43 <Avatar> ice storm, volcanic storm
21:58:09 <Avatar> ride the wave is like a combined touch of the sea/water breathing and lets you take 10s underwater
21:58:31 <Ballig> enervation gives -1 to attack/damage/etc
21:58:32 <Avatar> locate creature could potentially be useful, but the wording of it makes it a bit weird
21:58:45 <Avatar> yeah I know what enervation does
21:59:02 <Ballig> and you can kill them
21:59:14 <Ballig> say you're fighting something that is level 7
21:59:18 <Ballig> hit them with three enervations and they're dead
22:00:11 <Avatar> yeah but if you get poisoned and fail 3 saves, you're dead
22:00:20 <Avatar> and that doesn't require the GM to do a load of work
22:00:24 <Ballig> what poison is this
22:00:31 <Avatar> these poisons exist
22:00:34 <Ballig> yeah which one
22:00:55 <Avatar> well I don't remember the name
22:01:01 <Ballig> does it really exist
22:01:04 <Avatar> and it's spoilery enough as it is
22:01:08 <Avatar> yes
22:01:19 <Ballig> seems to me like you're better off carrying a scroll of neutralise poison
22:01:31 <Ballig> so you don't prepare the spell every single day for every single encounter just in case one day you are poisoned
22:01:35 <Avatar> mmm that might be a good point
22:07:09 <Avatar> 700gp :|
22:07:13 <Ballig> :|
22:07:50 <Avatar> maybe I should just prepare it everyday
22:08:13 <Ballig> great idea
22:14:37 <Avatar> wonder if scrying is worth it
22:15:02 <Avatar> might not any good in PFS scenarios
22:21:47 <Ballig> I'm sure it's no good
22:22:07 <Ballig> just like speak with animals, speak with plants, and (for the most part) speak with dead
22:23:05 <Avatar> I'm sure it's more useful than those
22:44:25 <Mekkis> speak with animals is useful
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22:45:42 <Mekkis> how is enervation hard on the GM?
22:46:35 <Avatar> you have to redo half the stat block
22:46:40 <Mekkis> not really
22:46:49 <Avatar> how is it not
22:46:52 <Mekkis> it's no easier or harder than haste
22:47:06 <Avatar> really
22:47:17 <Mekkis> yep
22:47:22 <Mekkis> it's happened
22:47:40 <Avatar> haste is pretty specific with what changes
22:47:47 <Mekkis> furthermore, once that happens, the battle's pretty much won
22:47:50 <Mekkis> so is enervation
22:47:51 <Avatar> when you get a negative level, it's different depending on each creature affected
22:47:58 <Mekkis> this isn't 3.0
22:48:03 <Mekkis> what?
22:48:05 <Avatar> what am I missing
22:48:07 <Mekkis> it's just -1 to everything
22:48:25 <Avatar> hm okay
22:49:26 <Mekkis> what's harder is when a player who isn't on the ball gets a negative level or two
22:53:05 <Hydrazine> -1 to everything and -5 hp.
22:53:14 <Hydrazine> and -1 caster level too.
22:54:29 <Mekkis> except damage rolls
22:54:43 <Avatar> spite + enervation would be very funny
22:56:56 <Hydrazine> Morning.
22:57:23 <Avatar> evening !
22:57:34 <Avatar> spite costs 250gp per cast
22:57:37 <Avatar> does contingency cost that much
22:58:01 <Mekkis> not sure
22:58:01 <Avatar> 1500gp once off
22:58:04 <Mekkis> it's 6th level
22:58:31 <Avatar> it'd probably be okay with a focus component
23:00:22 <Mekkis> I like how you can pluck your own eyelash for the material component
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23:25:58 <Mort-> Hm
23:26:12 <Mort-> Got a speech to make
23:27:46 <Hydrazine> you make speeches?
23:27:57 <Thelen> i thought you made babies?
23:29:15 * Mort- slaps thelen for that lewd remark
23:29:35 <Mort-> I think ill do a bluff check and try to appear as an insurance agent
23:29:50 <Mort-> Seen people do it often enough that i can probably fake it
23:30:28 <Thelen> hahaha
23:30:34 <Mort-> Somehow talking about obscure hobbies in real life just makes people stare at you like you should be locked up in an asylum :(
23:31:27 <Mekkis> Mort-, roleplaying helps your public speaking
23:31:37 <Mort-> Did i tell you my teacher called up my parents when i wrote 3 pages in my school dairy
23:31:51 <Mort-> About my adventures in everquest?
23:31:56 <Thelen> hahahahaahahah
23:31:59 <Thelen> nice
23:32:09 <Mort-> I was much younger then :(
23:32:35 <Mort-> After that incident
23:32:59 <Mort-> I decided not to talk to anyone in real life about my gaming
23:33:13 <Mekkis> you were traumatised!
23:33:15 <Mekkis> fight it!
23:33:27 <Mort-> Mek!
23:33:56 <Mort-> It just makes people stare at you like you belong to a loony bin
23:34:19 <Mort-> But yes. Our experiences shape us.
23:34:19 <Mekkis> you mean you don't put your roleplaying experience on your CV?
23:34:28 <Mekkis> that's Avatar's mistake too!
23:34:34 <Mort-> Mek
23:34:48 <Mort-> Down here they will think you are a lunatic
23:35:05 <Mekkis> oh yeah?
23:35:14 <Mort-> I told you my teacher called my parents th
23:35:15 <Mort-> Th
23:35:16 <Mort-> Up
23:35:25 <Mort-> And i got into trouble for it
23:35:25 <Mekkis> I'll apply for four jobs in singapore, stating my roleplaying credentials
23:35:27 <Mekkis> :)
23:35:44 <Mort-> They gave me a lecture on how I'm living in an imaginary world
23:35:48 <Mort-> And not a real one
23:36:06 <Mort-> After that i kept my what i do while gaming all to myself
23:36:20 <Mort-> That's also the reason why you'll never see me write a dairy
23:37:12 <Mekkis> Mort-, if I get a phone call from singapore, regarding the job, I'll tell you :)
23:37:28 * Mort- starts singing reflections from mulan off key
23:37:49 <Mort-> "Who is that girl i see"
23:37:58 <Mekkis> "Hello"
23:38:02 <Mort-> "Staring straight back at me"
23:38:05 <Mekkis> "Is it me you're looking for"
23:38:19 <Mekkis> "I can see it in your eyes...
23:38:19 <Mort-> "Why is my reflection someone i don't know"
23:38:24 <Mort-> Lol
23:38:26 <Hydrazine> I can see it in your smile..
23:38:27 <Mekkis> "I can see it in your smile...
23:38:38 * Mort- slaps mek for being an arse
23:38:38 <Mekkis> "Are you somewhere feeling lonely
23:39:00 <Mekkis> "Is there someone loving you...
23:39:03 <Hydrazine> Think ya missed some bub.
23:39:05 * Mort- gets disgusted and gets ear muffs
23:39:08 <Mekkis> "Tell me how to win your heart
23:39:16 <Mort-> Eww!
23:39:17 <Mekkis> "'cause I haven't got a clue...
23:39:29 <Mort-> Too mushy!
23:39:45 <Mort-> Oh in story books i always skip the romance parts
23:39:46 <Hydrazine> Hey. I've gotten laid from singing that song before.
23:39:50 <Mort-> I skip the page
23:39:58 <Mekkis> "But let me start by saying.....
23:40:21 <Mort-> Whenever i read about the mushy parts i skip
23:40:26 <Tashes> Wasn't me!
23:40:34 <Mekkis> "I love you."
23:40:41 <Mekkis> Tashes, are you free on Saturday?
23:41:01 <Mort-> Gross
23:41:12 * Mort- slaps mekkis
23:41:23 * Mort- has goosebums all over her
23:42:31 <Mort-> If it helps explain some of my quirks and peculiarities
23:42:40 <Mekkis> http://magiclampoon.com/blog/2012/01/18/wizards-announces-fifth-edition-dungeons-and-dragons/
23:43:35 <Mort-> If you get to Singapore
23:43:54 <Thelen> wtf
23:43:59 <Mort-> Id like to meet you. And see if you have horns. Claws and a tag
23:44:01 <Mort-> Tail
23:46:19 <Mekkis> I don't
23:46:26 <Mekkis> I'm not a gnome either
23:46:51 <Mort-> I know your bigger then me :(
23:46:52 <Mekkis> unfortunately
23:46:59 <Mort-> Don't punt me?
23:47:22 <Mekkis> I mean, who wouldn't want to be a gnome?
23:47:31 <Mort-> Me
23:47:35 <Mekkis> why not?
23:47:54 <Mort-> You can't get the cookies
23:48:09 <Mort-> Because your too short
23:48:17 <Mekkis> I mean, don't you want to live a long and interesting life?
23:48:34 <Mort-> And everyone uses you as a bowling pin
23:48:49 <Mort-> I would rather be a halfling then a gnome
23:48:57 <Mekkis> why?
23:49:08 <Mekkis> don't you want to live a long and interesting life?
23:49:19 <Mort-> Everyone knows you grab a gnome and hurl them over walls
23:49:27 <Mort-> After spinning them around
23:49:33 <Mort-> So do halflings
23:49:37 <Mort-> And elves
23:49:39 <Mekkis> then they come back riding large birds and impale you with a lance
23:49:50 <Mekkis> halflings live like, 150 years
23:49:55 <Mekkis> elves, around 300
23:50:03 <Mort-> You could do that to a halfling
23:50:16 <Mekkis> gnomes, as long as they continue living an interesting life, live FOREVER!
23:50:26 <Mort-> And gnomes also suffer from bleaching
23:50:36 <Mekkis> not if they live an interesting life
23:50:51 <Mort-> You don't know when you are going to lose your will to live do you?
23:51:16 <Mort-> And no. I don't want to be a gnome.
23:51:17 <Mekkis> I'd rather it be my decision than some external factor
23:51:26 <Mort-> Halflings are cuter
23:52:01 <Mort-> There is some truth in that
23:52:07 <Mekkis> no they're not
23:52:16 <Mekkis> look at the halflings in Lord of the Rings
23:52:22 <Mort-> But there is truth that gnomes are considered pests!
23:52:44 <Mort-> I always thought hobbits are halflings
23:52:57 <Mort-> Like de gnoming a garden
23:53:14 <Mort-> Gnome punting in mnorpgs
23:53:17 <Mekkis> that's just Rowling butchering good literature
23:53:28 * Mort- laughs
23:53:32 <Mekkis> followed by MMOs butchering bad literature
23:53:58 <Mort-> I did yell out "revealus creaturus" once during a game :p
23:54:08 <Mort-> Thought it was funny to do it
23:54:09 <Mekkis> yuck
23:54:14 <Mort-> Lol
23:54:24 * Mort- laughs
23:55:35 <Mort-> So. Yes. Id rather be a halfling
23:56:32 <Mekkis> oh no
23:56:38 <Mekkis> my alt key seems damaged!
23:57:35 <Mort-> You see?
23:57:44 <Mort-> Its because you fell to the dark side
23:58:16 <Mekkis> luckily it's just a cosmetic damage
23:58:44 <Mort-> Still its a warning from the gods!
23:58:46 <Mekkis> and it's a 21 year old keyboard
23:58:57 <Mort-> You must be falling to the dark side
23:59:10 <Mort-> Due to too much association with gnomes!
23:59:43 <Mort-> And a keyboard has more germs then your toilet seat
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