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00:00:06 <Ysjoelfir> Hello to you too, Guest|52
00:00:06 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
00:00:32 <mamalala> EEVBlog: you are late to the party
00:01:33 <Lemonizer> whats up with people coming here without even saying Hi, I mean its not that much to ask and makes me want to answer
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00:02:35 <Guest|52> Hello there everybody
00:02:36 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Guest|52!
00:02:36 <hsn93> mamalala, i understand nothing :P
00:02:51 <mamalala> figures
00:03:25 <Lemonizer> so after a good 14 hours warmup for both the fluke and Vref, it reads 9.99982V
00:03:51 <mamalala> sounds good
00:04:00 <Lemonizer> yeah thats dope man
00:04:19 <mamalala> just 180µV from the supposed value
00:04:45 <Lemonizer> yeah maybe less, if the Vref drifted slightly from temperature etc
00:04:54 <mamalala> have you put in the filters on the flike? and set it to the slowest mode?
00:05:01 <mamalala> *fluke
00:06:06 <Lemonizer> reads the same yeah
00:06:12 <Lemonizer> also theres multiple filters right ?
00:06:15 <Lemonizer> but one button only
00:07:10 <mamalala> dunno, something like that ... long time since i used it :)
00:07:45 <Lemonizer> yeah :P I'm really happy dude thanks to you and Ysjoelfir !
00:08:33 <Ysjoelfir> all thanks to the krauts
00:09:02 <mamalala> hehe
00:09:02 <Lemonizer> ho yeah !
00:09:33 <Lemonizer> one of the things I reaaaalllly freaking miss are croco clips ! I need to get some to clip them on test leads
00:11:29 <Lemonizer> https://www.ebay.com/itm/XDK-1033-22-Clip-on-probe-32A-1kVDC-red-4mm-Clip-on-probe-crocodile-66-9575-22/202799795679?hash=item2f37cf4ddf:g:~rQAAOSwi~FdpGx~ lime those but miniature
00:14:15 <Lemonizer> alright guys time for a nap !
00:14:19 <Lemonizer> see you in a few :>
00:16:55 <Guest|52> is a extech a good brand for multimeters?
00:19:03 <Ysjoelfir> that is highly depending on the particular model you have in mind
00:20:47 <Guest|52> most times smaller electronic project en all round electronic comsumer devices repair
00:21:26 <Ysjoelfir> I was talking about the model of multimeter
00:22:06 <Guest|52> Extech EX505
00:24:25 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty ok-ish, but it's to expensive for what it does imho.
00:24:44 <Ysjoelfir> I would opt for a Brymen BM257 instead
00:25:23 <Guest|52> i look for a second hand copy
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00:31:05 <Ysjoelfir> Well, second hand would be ok I guess
00:31:28 <Guest|52> Ysjoelfir it is on most thing off the specs better than the extech on
00:33:27 <Guest|52> the second hamd ad is not that cheap €75 in stand of €116,10 by conrad electronics
00:34:46 <Ysjoelfir> uaaaaah. one does not simply buy stuff from conrad ;) Seriously, they are only one thing: Expensive
00:38:51 <Guest|52> that makes my point even better if €116,10 is overpriced than is the differents even lower with the second hand on. and this a model with reviews on conrad from 2009. pretty old i think with the most recent ones rewrite on 2013
00:49:53 <rust_collector> gmup people
00:50:11 <Ysjoelfir> Hi rusty
00:50:40 <rust_collector> hell oh
00:51:23 <rust_collector> I am looking at car parts today. what are you people up to, except web design stuff
00:51:58 <Ysjoelfir> not webdesign today. still at work :P
00:52:11 <rust_collector> uhm, err... so?
00:52:59 <rust_collector> heh. "abs sensor....for cars with abs brakes"
00:54:33 <Ysjoelfir> realy? :O
00:54:43 <Ysjoelfir> and if I would want an abs sensor for my non abs car?
00:58:28 <Ampera> rusty! my good friend
00:58:31 <Ampera> how are you doing
00:59:11 <rust_collector> I am super awesome today, mr good sir. And how are you?
01:00:13 <Ampera> I forgot my belt
01:00:16 <Ampera> so uh
01:00:20 <Ampera> I'll be interesting
01:01:02 <rust_collector> good times
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01:08:53 <Ysjoelfir> Suspenders FTW
01:10:17 * Ampera suspends Ysjoelfir to the ceiling
01:10:30 <Ysjoelfir> nooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~
01:10:34 <Ysjoelfir> the roof will collapse!
01:11:05 <Ampera> as if the floor wouldn't already
01:11:23 <Ysjoelfir> that is solid
01:15:58 <rust_collector> booooing booooing
01:29:26 <rust_collector> so, rear wheel bearing, for 2002 corolla... 291 euros
01:30:00 <Ysjoelfir> wat
01:30:05 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty expensive
01:30:17 <rust_collector> that is very correct
01:31:47 <rust_collector> It is very much on the border of what I feel like spending on this turd. I at least have to look it over a bit first, to see if it is worth fixing
01:32:08 <coppice_> is the rear wheel bearing of a corolla something usually complex, or is this just a plain old roller breaing?
01:32:46 <rust_collector> it is a unit bearing, with the mounting thing, wheel flange, tone ring and abs sensor built in
01:33:46 <rust_collector> ah, there I found one much cheaper. If it will last a year, that is ok
01:34:51 <coppice_> so, its 290 bucks for an ABS sensor, and a buck for the rest. You always need to get your money from the non-generic big
01:34:53 <coppice_> bit
01:37:24 <rust_collector> hmm, looking at the history of this thing, it does not say anything about rear bearings, so I guess 18 years is ok
01:38:43 <coppice_> 18 years is OK. $291 isn't. Is it $291 for one side or the pair?
01:38:52 <rust_collector> per side
01:39:22 <rust_collector> I really miss the old 2 part bearings, that you could open up, and adjust
01:40:09 <coppice_> I suspect big scrapyard rigs these prices
01:40:15 <rust_collector> why are you doing dollars?
01:40:20 <rust_collector> probably
01:40:47 <coppice_> oh, sorry, euros. don't make an enormous difference
01:41:56 <rust_collector> ok, so I can get a cheapo noname one for 65 or so, but I think I will go for the 90 euro one. Because I can have that tomorrow
01:42:16 <rust_collector> I really should ask the dealer, just for fun
01:45:49 <coppice_> just don't drink coffee while you are calling them
01:46:44 <rust_collector> I like to go to them, and look at them in my special way, when they say their price
01:47:33 <Ysjoelfir> WOAH!
01:47:35 <Ysjoelfir> SNOW!
01:47:49 <coppice_> It would be fun to work out the cost of assembling an entire car by buying all the parts at dealer spare dept prices
01:48:04 <coppice_> snow is so yesterday
01:48:29 <hsn93> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
01:48:31 <rust_collector> last time, it was those gas struts for the rear gate-door thing. I can not remember what they were, but I tried laughing, and asking,.... no, serious, how much?
01:50:47 <rust_collector> I do know, when I was in the army, they assembled a scania 143 from parts, as a training project, for the mechanics people. That is possibly the most expensive normal truck ever built
01:56:14 <Ysjoelfir> lol :)
01:56:16 <Ysjoelfir> brb
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01:57:46 <Ysjoelfir> re
01:57:53 <rust_collector> urr
01:57:57 <Ysjoelfir> wee?
01:58:15 <rust_collector> ymppp
01:58:49 <Ysjoelfir> ah
01:59:00 <rust_collector> haha, you got it
01:59:39 <rust_collector> so, I guess you don't need my snow then?
02:00:22 <coppice_> snow snobs might get rather sniffy about you snow
02:00:52 <Ysjoelfir> right now, no. the "Deutsche Bahn" (german train..... agency) announced that they stop driving in my region because of the "sudden change in weather".
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02:01:43 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, sure, it's winter time, and it has been pretty cold for the past days, but sure, nobody could predict that there will be snow
02:01:47 <coppice_> Ysjoelfir: they they get mocked as much as British Rail for this kind of thing?
02:02:06 <Ysjoelfir> no, they just don't care about complaints
02:02:27 <coppice_> well, that matches British Rail
02:02:37 <Ysjoelfir> everything below 6 minutes isn't even belated
02:02:52 <Ampera> lol, people in the civilized world complaining about civilized rail
02:02:56 <Ampera> let me tell you friends
02:02:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and also, trains that are completely canceled also don't count as late
02:02:59 <Ampera> enjoy what service you ahve
02:03:13 <Ampera> here daily service is considered frequent
02:03:34 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
02:03:38 <Ampera> the only place where the trains work right is where cities have subway systems
02:03:56 <Ampera> at least on the scale of the MTA and the T where they basically flood the tunnels with so many trains it doesn't matter if they're late
02:04:05 <rust_collector> I think german trains were pretty ok. until 1977
02:04:06 <hsn93> https://youtu.be/uBYMePUFinQ?t=27 ------> ouuuuuch .... whyyy ? ?!?!!?!
02:05:43 <Ysjoelfir> I would assume that he threw it onto a pillow
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02:06:02 <hsn93> i wouldnt throw pillow to it <3
02:06:12 <rust_collector> meh, he took it apart, so it is already dead
02:06:39 <hsn93> once u took a scope a part it doesnt function anymore ?
02:06:52 <rust_collector> right
02:07:50 <hsn93> even (the signal path) teardowns?
02:08:46 <rust_collector> does he take apart cheap chinese scopes?
02:09:39 <coppice_> he typifies today's youth, by tearing apart anything he touches
02:09:52 <coppice_> I assume his wife lives in constant fear
02:10:15 <Ampera> I wish I lived in constant fear
02:10:22 <Ampera> instead I live in constant pation
02:10:33 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9HEoCbzZH0
02:10:46 <coppice_> "Does your husband turn you on?" "No, he......"
02:11:45 <hsn93> rusty, the signal path ? no he takes expensive scopes
02:12:06 <rust_collector> ok, they might last a bit longer
02:12:31 <Ampera> I have a serious question
02:12:35 <Ampera> was elvis an elf
02:12:36 <Ysjoelfir> no.
02:12:39 <rust_collector> or maybe he just get 2 of each, and pretend he is great
02:13:27 <rust_collector> no, he was just misunderstood
02:14:36 <Ampera> my red whiteboard marker smells like garbage
02:15:09 <rust_collector> maybe just sniff some glue, like normal people?
02:15:22 <Ampera> my blue one smells much nicer
02:15:31 <Ampera> like isopropanol
02:17:16 <hsn93> rust_collector : TSP #133 - Keysight UXR 110GHz BW, 256GS/s, 10-bit Real-Time Oscilloscope Teardown & Experiments
02:17:17 <hsn93> https://youtu.be/DXYje2B04xE?t=385
02:18:47 <rust_collector> hmm, is that an all in one pc, with a pci scope?
02:19:22 <rust_collector> I like that they have the sock drying hangers on the sides
02:20:42 <hsn93> how this guy have all these instruments ?
02:21:18 <hsn93> these are rack hangers?
02:21:19 <coppice_> if you get known you can get a loan of almost anything. the videos are excellent marketing
02:21:22 <rust_collector> he has all the instruments, but no soul
02:21:53 <hsn93> no soul ?
02:22:03 <rust_collector> some trade it with guitar skills, some gets all the scopes
02:22:05 <coppice_> he lacks a Kia Soul
02:24:25 <rust_collector> all the souls
02:32:26 <coppice_> I wonder just how 10 bit that 110GHz Keysight really is?
02:40:31 <Ampera> it's only 9 and one half bits.
02:42:16 <hsn93> where did the other half go .. to the nipple ?
02:43:43 <rust_collector> the marketing department used it
02:43:58 <coppice_> 9.5 would be impressive, but I suspect by most measures it will be somewhat lower at that bandwidth
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02:55:38 <rust_collector> so, it sounds like kid #1 has got an apartment. this will be interesting
02:58:51 <hsn93> cya
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04:11:11 <rust_collector> is ysjoelfir banned again?
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04:16:37 <Lemon> aye got the box o cables
04:16:59 <rust_collector> BOX!
04:17:42 <DHess_US> "Mad" Mike Hughes' rocket was sabotaged by the round earth conspirators.
04:18:06 <rust_collector> we knew that
04:24:35 <Lemon> alright I think they are not silicone, but good pvc
04:24:37 <Lemon> so thats alright
04:25:30 <Lemon> I miss crocodile clips to plug on banana jacks and I'll be set, cable wise
04:27:41 <Lemon> but im happy, 20 euros with shipping for 10 pairs of stackable test leads was pretty nice
04:28:11 <Lemon> I might need to clean contacts a bit
04:48:29 <Lemon> I wonder whats the usual ouput of a waveform gen
04:48:34 <Lemon> in volts I mean
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04:55:47 <Lemon> hmmm the wavetek seems to ouput 20v p-p or 10v depending on the waveform
04:56:22 <Lemon> but the hp 5345a got a riting near its inputs '5V/+24 dbm MAX'
05:18:21 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipements_industriels/1756256773.htm/
05:18:25 <Lemon> thats a cool one
05:19:11 <rust_collector> very...... handy?
05:21:10 <Lemon> it was pretty high end when it came out, 100microV to 330V ranges is nice
05:21:18 <Lemon> but im not getting it :>
05:28:06 <DHess_US> Old school will be +/-7.5 to +/-15 into a 50 ohm load.
05:31:39 <rust_collector> good night, I think
05:41:32 <Lemon> but yeah im not getting another dmm now
05:41:49 <Lemon> id like a bench VTVM but only if a good deal happen
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06:15:38 <Ysjoelfir> rusty!
06:16:02 <Ysjoelfir> you have a case of corona or whatever it's called in norge! you must be happy :)
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06:16:47 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I'm going to Aldi tonight what should I buy
06:17:19 <Ysjoelfir> erm
06:17:22 <Ysjoelfir> food
06:17:23 <Ysjoelfir> an booze
06:20:40 <Ampera> our aldi doesn't do booze
06:20:58 <Ampera> and I'm too young to buy ethanols too
06:20:59 <Ysjoelfir> hmm...
06:21:09 <Ysjoelfir> then.... fresh vegs
06:22:06 <Ampera> I can't eat veg
06:22:51 <Ysjoelfir> meh
06:22:57 <Ysjoelfir> then some flour. raw
06:30:47 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, yes, i feel much better now
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06:37:36 <Ysjoelfir> Sooooo... before going home I took a look at the dumpster at work. And I noticed someone dumped stuff again.
06:37:37 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kga1zmKZylCu17oW6deUJ2VQywnHnhSr/view?usp=sharing
06:38:06 <Ysjoelfir> I decided that some of that was too good for being thrown away... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KlUmEnqUU6VBGfx2Y9jFM335kvrRJg08/view?usp=sharing
06:38:31 <rust_collector> what is those green things?
06:39:03 <Ysjoelfir> parts of the PCBs of one of our product.
06:39:11 <rust_collector> oh
06:39:17 <rust_collector> BOOOORING
06:40:03 <Ysjoelfir> a high voltage divider for 12kV. they are produced in the biggest dividing ratio and after deciding if the device is becoming a divider for 12/9/6/3kV a part of the PCB gets sawed off.
06:40:27 <rust_collector> heh, interesting
06:40:41 <rust_collector> I guess parts and pcbs are cheap, so
06:41:16 <Ysjoelfir> the parts don't get populated if they aren't needed ;) so its only the PSB
06:41:26 <Ysjoelfir> pcb
06:42:30 <rust_collector> populate everything, put on a shelf, make a big punch, based on an old steam hammer, to punch out the part that is not ordered.
06:42:42 <Ysjoelfir> xD
06:42:56 <rust_collector> BLAM! 6kv
06:45:33 <Ysjoelfir> So, now I have got around.... 60 nearly full rolls of passives and a few rolls of semicons
06:46:23 <rust_collector> oh yes, those unmarked special parts
06:46:37 <Ysjoelfir> nope, all marked. amd mostly precision parts
06:46:54 <rust_collector> exactly the same size
06:46:56 <Ysjoelfir> resistors with .1% and TK15
06:51:16 <Lemon> ho btw Ysjoelfir, the board on that 1200v psu you took for the other one
06:51:22 <Lemon> the one that is faulty
06:51:27 <Lemon> is it fixable ?
06:51:50 <Ysjoelfir> it was not there in the first place :)
06:51:57 <Lemon> haaa ok !
06:52:08 <Ysjoelfir> I transfered it only over to the other unit because it was in a better overall shape
06:52:43 <Lemon> that makes sense yes
06:54:04 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1158543202.htm/ what are those used for ? :>
06:55:00 <Ysjoelfir> To measure Resistance
06:55:39 <Lemon> are you sure ? it looks weird
06:55:46 <Ysjoelfir> why?
06:55:53 <Lemon> I think ive read something about that siemens unity of measure
06:56:24 <Ysjoelfir> it's the inverse of resistance
06:56:35 <Ysjoelfir> 1/R = S
06:56:41 <Lemon> hmmmmm
06:56:54 <Lemon> so it measures how well it conducts ?
06:56:57 <Ysjoelfir> ampera: take a look if they have Milchbrötchen at aldi :)
06:56:59 <Ysjoelfir> yep
06:57:11 <Lemon> interesting, in which case do you need such ad evice ? for example
06:57:47 <Ysjoelfir> well.. 1/R = G to be exact. 1/Ohms = Siemens would be correct
06:58:26 <Ysjoelfir> well... when R gets veeery small it gets hard to measure. but if you measure 1/R it suddenly gets big
06:58:47 <Lemon> very small like what ? down to nanoohms or lower ?
06:59:11 <Ysjoelfir> as low as you want?
06:59:32 <Lemon> I cant visuallize it :> like, when its better to use those than a regular lcr meter for example
07:00:38 <Ysjoelfir> as soon as you start to reach the limits of your meter you should consider measuring in conductivity.
07:00:41 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, milkbread?
07:00:46 <Ampera> what's what
07:00:49 <Ysjoelfir> milkbreadrolls
07:01:00 <Ampera> aye
07:01:10 <Ysjoelfir> it's tasty
07:01:11 <Ampera> but I've never heard of such a thing
07:01:16 <Ampera> and couldn't describe it
07:01:26 <Lemon> hmmm thats interesting, it seems this device got ranges from 10n-2 to -6
07:01:32 <Ysjoelfir> its like a semi sweet bun.
07:02:39 <Lemon> for example 10 x 10n-6 siemens
07:02:45 <Lemon> what does it represent ?
07:02:55 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, bread works somewhat different in the US
07:03:04 <Ampera> we don't have the same sort of types that you guys do
07:03:11 <Ampera> primarily around the fact that almost all of our bread has sugar in it
07:03:16 <Ampera> unless you get nice bread from a bakery
07:04:03 <Ysjoelfir> bah. sounds not good.
07:04:17 <rust_collector> milk in bread gives it a nice.... something.
07:05:00 <Lemon> so it seems that 10n-6 siemens is 1M siemens
07:05:09 <Lemon> so this device goes up to 10M siemens
07:05:17 <Lemon> or maybe 30 as theres a 'x3' range on the left
07:06:37 <rust_collector> how often do you want to measure the resistance of the ground, across the yard, and to the neighbors house?
07:06:48 <Lemon> heh you never know !
07:06:57 <rust_collector> No, that is why I asked
07:07:06 <Lemon> for science :>
07:07:18 <Lemon> no but im all for new abilities you know
07:07:23 <Lemon> (excuses for new devices)
07:07:24 <rust_collector> ok, let me try again... how often......
07:07:36 <Lemon> hmm lets say 3 times a day max
07:07:39 <rust_collector> ok
07:07:44 <rust_collector> that is not bad
07:08:36 <rust_collector> because for a nutcase like you, that should know the ground changes its conductivity a lot in a few hours, depending on weather, and temp, and...
07:08:37 <Lemon> but I dont understand if this device for example can measures lower resistances than my lcr meter
07:08:42 <Lemon> that goes down to 100 micro ohms I think
07:08:44 <rust_collector> i think you should measyre every hour
07:09:06 <Lemon> in real time and make a graph maybe
07:10:27 <rust_collector> sure
07:12:10 <Lemon> the ability to measure many different things is one of my goal
07:12:21 <Lemon> I can already measure almost every thing related to electronics which is nice
07:12:27 <Lemon> temperature is my next goal I think
07:12:37 <Lemon> to be able to measure the temp of the Vref heater
07:12:52 <Lemon> so I can determine if theres huge variations etc
07:16:01 <rust_collector> I would say you should measure your fuel meter
07:16:10 <Lemon> heh true
07:16:19 <rust_collector> because that is a nice little project
07:16:31 <Lemon> well I must say it kinda piss me off
07:16:54 <Lemon> I need to get of my chair etc
07:17:08 <rust_collector> yeah, it is tough
07:17:41 <rust_collector> but, I also have to get off my chair
07:17:47 <rust_collector> good night
07:17:52 <Lemon> arf courage
07:17:57 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 rusty
07:18:30 <rust_collector> people have seen you in chermany, we know you can get off your chair
07:18:38 <rust_collector> night mr Y
07:18:56 <Lemon> that was quite a challenge !
07:19:02 <Lemon> nighty boi
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07:47:22 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing
07:47:47 <ThunderSqueak> doing I guess
07:47:54 <Ampera> :/
07:48:02 <ThunderSqueak> and yourself?
07:48:04 <Ampera> I'm watching paint dry
07:48:10 <Ampera> to make sure something crazy doesn't happen
07:48:22 <Ampera> like it turning a different shade of brown
07:48:52 <ThunderSqueak> I am sitting here, drinking a soda, watching an illuminated display screen, and feeling a bit odd about a dream I had last night
07:49:12 <ThunderSqueak> but other then that, I am just... doing
07:49:14 <Ampera> I've been having a few more odd/nightmarish dreams
07:49:18 <Ampera> which I enjoy
07:49:26 <Ampera> ah, a state of pure emotionless existence
07:49:29 <Ampera> that's me every day
07:51:42 <ThunderSqueak> in this dream I walked through the woods with a deer, we were friends, and we came to a town and men dressed as though they were in the plains in the 1800's, settlers, got up with guns and shot at the deer. I stepped in front of the bullets and remember the pain? (it was more a sharp pressure, I didn't even know they hit me until I fell over) of the bullets hitting me, falling over... not being scared as I blead out... and the world
07:51:43 <ThunderSqueak> went black and as it did I woke up... so yeah, keep thinking about that dream
07:51:54 <ThunderSqueak> keep thinking about that
07:52:28 <Ampera> I wish I had dreams like that
07:52:31 <Ampera> sounds fun
07:52:41 <ThunderSqueak> I wouldnt call it fun
07:52:50 <Ampera> the mind is a marvelous thing
07:53:03 <Ampera> I've explored mine perhaps a bit too much
07:53:10 <Ampera> discovered things that were probably left undiscovered
07:53:13 <ThunderSqueak> it felt more like the end of a relatively short life, I was about 22ish?
07:53:28 <Ampera> How did you know how old you were
07:53:36 <ThunderSqueak> a feeling that I was younger
07:53:41 <ThunderSqueak> but still an adult
07:58:01 <Halcyon> Morning all
07:58:06 <Ampera> HALCYON
07:58:08 <ThunderSqueak> hi Halcyon
07:58:09 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
07:58:11 <Halcyon> :D
07:58:17 <Ampera> How are you doing friend?
07:58:19 * Halcyon blushes
07:58:23 <Halcyon> Not bad, just waking up
07:58:28 <Halcyon> *rubs eyes*
07:58:30 <ThunderSqueak> very affectionate XD
07:59:32 <Ampera> I'm in the last hour of work
07:59:38 <Ampera> and have the most boring shit for last
07:59:50 <Halcyon> Sounded like me yesterday except all day was boring
08:03:45 <Ampera> how is your birb doing Halcyon
08:03:52 <Halcyon> Jerry's good
08:04:09 <Ysjoelfir> Hi halcyon
08:04:12 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
08:04:18 <ThunderSqueak> ....
08:04:24 <ThunderSqueak> this... this is wrong and evil https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474870785190789120/682513584411901962/image0.png
08:04:49 <Halcyon> Orange flavoured pasta?
08:04:51 <Ysjoelfir> whats that
08:04:59 <Ampera> uhhh
08:05:02 <Ampera> my ibook can't do links
08:05:05 <Ampera> one second
08:05:36 <Ampera> I AM UPSET NOW
08:05:45 <Halcyon> Fix it :P
08:05:53 <Ampera> no at the tang and mac
08:05:58 <ThunderSqueak> ikr
08:06:02 <Ampera> that's fucking abhorrent
08:06:03 <Halcyon> Oh
08:06:06 <Halcyon> Yes
08:06:20 <ThunderSqueak> .... I .... mac and cheese is sacred -.-
08:06:35 <Ysjoelfir> what is tang?
08:06:58 <ThunderSqueak> failed astronaught drink
08:07:03 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it's an orange drink mix that's half plastic, half anthrax
08:07:08 <Ampera> tastes good tho
08:07:18 <Ysjoelfir> sounds great!
08:07:24 <Ampera> not on fucking macaroni
08:07:32 <Ysjoelfir> I hope I never have to put that near my mouth :D
08:08:55 <Halcyon> Naww they are friends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJImqNWhLE
08:09:21 <Ampera> now my ibook can definitely not do youtube
08:09:30 <Halcyon> It's a cat and a cockatoo
08:09:39 <Ampera> hah, cock
08:09:43 <Ampera> cock and a pussy
08:09:44 <Halcyon> :P
08:09:57 <Halcyon> Yeh it's wrong isn't it
08:10:05 <Ysjoelfir> lol.. and the cat is like "aww. what is that white fluffy thing? let me tap it!
08:10:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats so interesting
08:11:04 <Halcyon> I love birds, cats not so much
08:11:25 <Ampera> I love Australians, Halcyon not so much
08:11:28 <Ampera> >:D
08:11:28 <Ysjoelfir> I wait for the cat to bite the bird, they look all the time like "i want to try that, it looks delicious!"
08:11:31 <Lemon> I think theres roughly 100kg of stuff on my desk, its not that much when you think about it
08:11:32 <Halcyon> Bahaha
08:11:43 <Lemon> looking at how many things there are
08:11:49 <Halcyon> Anyway I'll be back later need coffee and got things to do
08:11:52 <Lemon> and how heavy they feel
08:11:53 <Ampera> ciao
08:13:19 <Ampera> Lemon, what are you doing sitting on your table with a mirror, touching yourself
08:17:12 <Lemon> your imagination went too far im afraid :>
08:20:20 <Ampera> you're looking and feeling how heavy your things are, Lemon
08:20:25 <Ampera> what else am I supposed to deduce from that
08:20:53 <Lemon> the things on my desk, which are test equipement :>
08:21:25 <Ampera> your devious little sex toys?
08:21:28 <Ampera> you can't fool me
08:21:30 <Ampera> I know what you're playing
08:21:33 <Ampera> I wasn't born tomorrow
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09:02:11 <Halcyon> Did you scare Lemon off?
09:02:12 <Halcyon> :P
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09:12:48 <Ampera> Lol
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09:13:47 * Halcyon licks Ampera
09:14:06 <Ampera> I'm at Aldi, bbl
09:15:29 <AndrevS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66vIdovuVf0
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09:15:53 <Halcyon> Oh gees
09:16:24 <Halcyon> I don't speak German but I get it
09:17:55 <Halcyon> I'm going to be singing A-L-D-I to that song all day now
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09:27:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, how are you doing
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11:31:59 <Halcyon> Ampera: I've been mowing lawns, it's a cunt
11:32:02 <Halcyon> So thick
12:20:13 <Halcyon> steve30: Cutie gardener boy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMzlph--HII
12:25:17 <MrMobodies> Hello
12:25:21 <MrMobodies> Not happy
12:25:22 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/0Jx2X0q
12:25:59 <MrMobodies> Amazon won't let me select return until the estimated delivery date which is 5 days so just notified the seller
12:26:30 <MrMobodies> Those plants are huge
12:59:41 <Halcyon> Apart from the crushed box, what's wrong?
13:23:04 <MrMobodies> When something is trodden on like that, I consider it damage to the parcel.
13:23:28 <MrMobodies> so I notify the seller that there is damage to the package
13:23:38 <MrMobodies> they might ask me to open and test it
13:24:24 <Halcyon> Yeh that's fair
13:24:56 <MrMobodies> it is not in a frame or such as can be seen from the see through plastic so when it gets crushed like that
13:28:47 <Halcyon> I need some advice
13:28:56 <Halcyon> I have 4 Voodoo2 cards, should I hang onto them or sell one?
13:30:18 <MrMobodies> sample the market first?
13:30:45 <Halcyon> They are in high demand but there are 4 listed at the moment
13:30:56 <MrMobodies> I mean see how much they are going for
13:31:01 <MrMobodies> oh
13:31:06 <Halcyon> Usually between AUD$200-$250
13:31:17 <MrMobodies> I have a few somewhere from different brands
13:31:24 <MrMobodies> but that's a lot
13:31:47 <Halcyon> Yeh they've held their value very well
13:31:54 <Halcyon> I remember buying it brand new for $300
13:32:26 <MrMobodies> amazing, I got some from a bootsale for a couple of pounds
13:32:30 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_osacat=0&_odkw=voodoo+5+500&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=voodoo+5+5000+agp&_sacat=0
13:32:38 <MrMobodies> and that Voodoo 5 5000
13:32:45 <Halcyon> Nice
13:32:49 <MrMobodies> almost double than when I got it new
13:33:01 <MrMobodies> I got in late 2000 imported
13:33:15 <MrMobodies> I was all excited when it arrived
13:33:16 <Halcyon> Cards with 3DFX chipsets tend to go for quite a lot of money
13:33:29 <MrMobodies> I think the customs really brought it up
13:33:31 <Halcyon> 3D accelerators were the shit back in the 1990's
13:34:13 <MrMobodies> I did like the ones that did bilinear filtering quite well
13:34:50 <MrMobodies> I remembered one varient of the ATI Rage 3D 8mb onboard Packard Bell
13:34:51 <Halcyon> I have two identical cards which I want to SLI
13:35:12 <MrMobodies> I read you can modify a floppy connector
13:35:13 <Halcyon> I have a Pentium III board I can throw them on
13:35:28 <MrMobodies> motherboard?
13:35:30 <Halcyon> Yep
13:35:45 <MrMobodies> anything special motherboard?
13:35:56 <Halcyon> Supermicro P6SBA, it's an Intel 440BX based board
13:35:59 <Halcyon> I bought it brand new
13:36:02 <MrMobodies> quality SUpermicro
13:36:09 <Halcyon> https://www.cnet.com/products/supermicro-super-p6sba-motherboard-atx-slot-1-i440bx-series/
13:36:28 <Halcyon> Specs wise, nothing mind blowing, but it was always a rock solid board. Still is after all these years
13:37:05 <MrMobodies> https://www.dreamhardware.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/base_image/1200x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/f/i/file_13096_lh9z4_full_size.jpg
13:37:10 <MrMobodies> looks like Sanyo caps to me
13:37:14 <MrMobodies> oh
13:37:29 <Halcyon> I'll have a look, I'll go get it...
13:37:45 <MrMobodies> that'll be a selling point, Sanyo caps
13:39:48 <Halcyon> Yep mostly Sanyo
13:39:59 <Halcyon> But there are two "Elna" caps on there as well, not sure why they mixed them
13:40:05 <MrMobodies> I once had a couple of X5DL8's
13:40:11 <Halcyon> Nice
13:40:16 <MrMobodies> I overworked them to death and didn't give it enough power
13:40:31 <Halcyon> I love Supermicro, The P6SBA was the first board I bought, ever since then I've only bought Supermicro
13:40:40 <MrMobodies> I put in 16gb and didn't take in consideration that the power supply couldn't delivery enough voltage on thr 5v rail
13:40:41 <Halcyon> I do have a couple of old IBM and Dell servers too
13:41:26 <MrMobodies> also I put in some CPU it didn't support and took more power to run
13:41:41 <MrMobodies> but it worked for about 10 years full time before the power supply broke
13:42:04 <MrMobodies> I populated all the slots and that
13:42:13 <MrMobodies> IBM servers?
13:42:17 <Halcyon> Yep
13:42:23 <Halcyon> I run a server rack at home
13:42:38 <MrMobodies> I remembered you saying you were tidying it up
13:42:40 <Halcyon> Currently I have 2x Supermicro and 1 IBM server in it
13:42:43 <MrMobodies> and brought some new UPS
13:42:46 <Halcyon> Yep
13:43:00 <Halcyon> Which I actually need to order a new battery for, thanks for reminding me.
13:43:04 <Halcyon> The runtime is down to 30 minutes
13:43:15 <MrMobodies> nice to stock pile them
13:43:26 <MrMobodies> oh they then need topping up
13:43:40 <Halcyon> They were due for replacement in 2015
13:43:46 <Halcyon> I bought the UPS second hand
13:44:08 <MrMobodies> I see they are becoming cheaper
13:44:25 <Halcyon> Yeh not much point in buying them brand new
13:44:25 <MrMobodies> before I switch on more of my stuff I need to get solar panels
13:44:35 <MrMobodies> since I have moved house
13:45:01 <MrMobodies> I was waiting for the feed in tarrif to re appear but then if it don't i'd have to get batteries
13:45:23 <Halcyon> Where are you located?
13:45:36 <MrMobodies> Cambridgeshire
13:45:38 <Halcyon> Ah
13:45:46 <MrMobodies> in a small village
13:45:50 <Halcyon> We have a marginal FIT here, it's pretty piss poor
13:46:04 <MrMobodies> you live there?
13:46:04 <Halcyon> I costed batteries a few years ago, they are still too expensive, cheaper to buy off the grid
13:46:06 <Halcyon> Sydney
13:46:11 <MrMobodies> oh
13:46:24 <Halcyon> I have a 5KW system on the roof
13:46:36 <MrMobodies> I was a worried about lithium batteries being to near to the house from one contractor
13:46:49 <Halcyon> Our government are trialling interest free loans for battery systems, but not in the area I live
13:47:14 <MrMobodies> I would want some kind of service agreement with a battery one
13:47:23 <MrMobodies> for a certain amount of years
13:47:38 <MrMobodies> where they replace them when they fail
13:48:00 <Halcyon> Well most manufacturers guarantee them to 10 years
13:48:07 <Halcyon> No service agreement required
13:48:15 <MrMobodies> that's good
13:48:32 <Halcyon> After that, you'll basically want to start looking at replacing them
13:48:51 <MrMobodies> I have a place for them which is a distance away
13:49:00 <MrMobodies> so they would have to run cables
13:49:05 <MrMobodies> thick cables I'd imagine
13:49:19 <MrMobodies> if they catch fire it won't affect the buildings
13:49:35 <Halcyon> I think they generally install the batteries with the inverter
13:49:50 <MrMobodies> Well there is the garage near
13:50:00 <MrMobodies> and it has an 80a cable between that and the house
13:50:09 <MrMobodies> which is good
13:50:21 <MrMobodies> right next where I want it
13:50:45 <MrMobodies> if they could run an inverter to the garage
13:50:51 <MrMobodies> using the existing cables
13:51:03 <MrMobodies> oh sorry I mean the power to the mains
13:51:10 <Halcyon> Oh right
13:51:17 <MrMobodies> panels I want ran to the garage
13:51:45 <MrMobodies> I could sell that HP G5 DL380 server
13:51:59 <MrMobodies> and get that one I saw with the 8? PCI-e 16x slots
13:52:17 <MrMobodies> the beautiful HP one Ampera asked about
13:52:24 <MrMobodies> and posted the link
13:54:51 <MrMobodies> Found it it was a HP DL580 Gen8
13:55:10 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.com/itm/233447794035
13:56:54 <MrMobodies> Going to burn some rubbish
13:57:25 <Halcyon> Have run
13:57:27 <Halcyon> fun
14:00:54 <DHess_US> Bought 8 x 3TB drives for my new RAID and so far 2 have come up bad, and I have learned more about ERC (error recovery control) than I ever wanted to know.
14:01:05 <Halcyon> Hehehe
14:01:12 <Halcyon> Are they dumping out of the array?
14:01:35 <DHess_US> Not with ERC active they don't which is good, but instead they return bad sectors.
14:01:41 <DHess_US> That's what ERC is for.
14:01:50 <Halcyon> Ahh bugger
14:02:03 <Halcyon> I'm assuming they are Seagates since you refer to ERC ?
14:02:18 <DHess_US> ERC limits the time that the drive spends trying to recover a bad sector so that the drive does not time out in the RAID.
14:02:25 <Halcyon> *nod*
14:02:28 <DHess_US> No, HGST uses ERC also
14:02:39 <DHess_US> They call it something different but it is the same SATA command.
14:02:47 <Halcyon> They have different names
14:02:54 <Halcyon> WD refer to it as TLER
14:02:57 <DHess_US> Yes, but there are only two methods.
14:03:04 <Halcyon> There is also CCTL which Hitachi also used, maybe they renamed it?
14:03:06 <DHess_US> WD is the odd man out with their own method.
14:03:31 <Halcyon> Are they under warranty?
14:03:44 <DHess_US> Seagate, Samsung, and HGST all use the SATA ERC commands. WD uses their own TLER thing.
14:03:49 <DHess_US> In theory, yes.
14:03:53 <Halcyon> In theory?
14:03:59 <DHess_US> 5 year warrenty from reseller.
14:04:11 <DHess_US> So I'm not worried about that yet. Just got them 2 days ago.
14:04:40 <Halcyon> I'm considering going SSD for my next NAS build
14:04:46 <DHess_US> But 2 bad of 8 makes me thing they are all bad.
14:04:58 <DHess_US> Cost/TB isn't there.
14:05:05 <Halcyon> No, not yet
14:05:43 <Halcyon> Then again, I don't really need to increase the size of my array
14:05:49 <Halcyon> 20 TB would be plenty
14:06:23 <DHess_US> The ERC thing I had to learn was how to enable it on my RAID card. TLER was easier because the drives could be set and would remember.
14:06:45 <DHess_US> Had to drop into the RAID card monitor to enable ERC at the command line.
14:07:03 <Halcyon> What are you using as the OS?
14:07:28 <DHess_US> Windows 10 which is why hardware RAID; so I can boot from it.
14:07:32 <Halcyon> *nod*
14:07:43 <Halcyon> Didn't consider something like FreeNAS and ZFS?
14:07:44 <DHess_US> Well, plus Windows OS RAID has abysmal performance.
14:07:50 <Halcyon> Ditch the RAID card completely?
14:08:10 <DHess_US> Right, and then how do I boot from redundant storage?
14:08:36 <Halcyon> You can install the OS itself onto a redundant set of disks if you wish
14:08:38 <DHess_US> I *have* a ZFS NAS and I could build another.
14:08:54 <DHess_US> Across a network?
14:09:08 <Halcyon> You want to boot the OS across a network?
14:09:09 <DHess_US> And that's another reason. Performance across the network blows compared to local storage.
14:09:23 <DHess_US> No, I don't. That's why I have a hardware RAID card.
14:09:49 <Halcyon> Yes, so install the OS onto local drives attached to your RAID card then have the ZFS pool entirely on your other disks
14:10:04 <Halcyon> Personally, I just use a single SSD for FreeNAS and backup the config
14:10:16 <DHess_US> Oh, could do that but the RAID local storage is faster than any network storage I could setup.
14:10:17 <Halcyon> If it goes tits up, I can re-install and be back up and running in 15 mins
14:10:36 <DHess_US> Yea, I do that with my FreeBSD router.
14:11:00 <Halcyon> I'm not sure what you mean by network storage? The ZFS pool would still be on disks in the same server
14:11:07 <Halcyon> You're just bypassing the RAID card
14:11:22 <DHess_US> Not with Windows.
14:11:40 <Halcyon> I'm not following at all
14:11:47 <DHess_US> If I *must* run Windows, and I want fast local redundant storage, hardware RAID is the only way to do it.
14:12:00 <Halcyon> Oh well yeh, if you're locked to Windows then yes
14:12:01 <Halcyon> That sucks
14:12:10 <DHess_US> It is what it is.
14:12:19 <Halcyon> Unless you want to upgrade the link to 10 Gbit
14:12:56 <DHess_US> I've been using an Areca 1210 hardware RAID for Windows for 10 years. I'm just updating it to an Areca 1220 because my old RAID drives are wearing out.
14:13:41 <DHess_US> I'd rather spend the money on a faster workstation with local storage than a fast 10G NAS.
14:14:43 <Halcyon> I'm planning to upgrade the links on my storage network and to the hypervisors to 10 Gig in the next month or so
14:14:46 <Halcyon> Whenever I get time
14:15:42 <DHess_US> I'm sad. The oldest "big" drives which have worked perfectly are Samsung Spinpoints.
14:15:49 <Halcyon> Hahaha
14:16:03 <Halcyon> What's wrong with them?
14:16:03 <DHess_US> I figured out how to get ERC working on them yesterday.
14:16:14 <DHess_US> The Samsungs? Nothing other than being slow.
14:16:34 <Halcyon> How old are these drives? I haven't seen a Samsung drive for years
14:16:36 <DHess_US> They aren't performance drives but they are sure better than WD greens which don't support RAID at all.
14:17:15 <DHess_US> All of my WD 2TB greens are marginal now.
14:17:29 <Halcyon> I'm still on 2TB HGST Ultrastars
14:17:44 <Halcyon> Got a bad sector on one but it's been like that for a few years. Hasn't got worse
14:17:55 <DHess_US> These new ones are 3TB HGST Ultrastars.
14:18:06 <Halcyon> Yeh I like them
14:18:14 <Halcyon> Not sure what the new ones are like now that they are owned by WD
14:22:42 <Halcyon> Oh, I found a box labeled "Unknown I/O cards"
14:22:50 <Halcyon> I should probably see what's in i
14:22:51 <Halcyon> t
14:28:27 <DHess_US> Oh, and to top it all off, Charter/Spectrum is having an outage so I have no internet except through my phone.
14:28:36 <Halcyon> Hooray
14:46:46 <MrMobodies> I had a few Samsungs
14:46:58 <MrMobodies> I notice when they fill up half way they become slow
14:47:40 <MrMobodies> and I brought many Seagate Samsung? laptop drivers right after they stopped the 7200rpm ones for a while
14:47:56 <MrMobodies> and never had any problems with those
14:48:04 <MrMobodies> but they were a little on the slow side
14:48:45 <MrMobodies> and some come back for other stuff they didn't overheat like the WD Blue's that I pulled out.
14:49:14 <DHess_US> I actually had a lot of performance problems with the Samsungs except when installed using a normal controller or on my Areca card.
14:51:20 <MrMobodies> so it would work fine on the onboard sata controller, function normally on the Areca but like time out and drop off on other raid controllers
14:51:58 <DHess_US> Not exactly. For instance on a VIA RAID controller, it would write fine but was incredibly slow when reading for no apparent reason.
14:52:18 <DHess_US> Which might be what you mentioned about them being slow when full which doesn't make any sense.
14:52:50 <MrMobodies> interesting, like an SSD drive that I once had a similar issue with a particiular sata 2 controller
14:52:57 <MrMobodies> Sandisk 64gb I think it was
14:53:49 <MrMobodies> but it would burst read/write fine on the Nforce and 3ware one
14:56:47 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/oum6Yn0.jpg
14:57:09 <MrMobodies> Gigabyte SATA 2
14:57:34 <DHess_US> I have a pile pf VIA PCI RAID cards which used to be very handy.
14:57:36 <MrMobodies> but it read the Seagate ES 6TB drive much more quicker
14:57:54 <DHess_US> The VIA PATA + 2 SATA controller chip is very well supported.
14:58:37 <DHess_US> So like I have one stuck in my old Pentium4 workstation just to boot the optical drive freeing up the motherboard ports for better things.
14:59:06 <DHess_US> Or if I want to add some SATA ports to an old MB.
14:59:14 <MrMobodies> so it only has IDE ports
14:59:23 <MrMobodies> on the board
14:59:37 <MrMobodies> oh sorry misread
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15:00:13 <DHess_US> Hm? No, my Pentium4 board has 2 intel PATA, 2 intel SATA, and a promise RAID with 1 PATA and 2 SATA
15:00:36 <DHess_US> But only the intel ports are well supported and only 4 of the 6 at a time.
15:00:46 <DHess_US> That was back when SATA was new.
15:00:51 <MrMobodies> Promise, I had one on Gigabyte board I think 8PENXP
15:01:07 <DHess_US> The Promise RAID controllers were some of the better ones.
15:01:19 <MrMobodies> no wonder why they put it on there
15:01:20 <DHess_US> Better than SI and VAI anyway.
15:01:26 <DHess_US> It was an expensive board.
15:01:34 <DHess_US> Top of the line back then.
15:01:37 <MrMobodies> I didn't use it for but I tried it and was surprised
15:01:43 <MrMobodies> years later
15:01:49 <MrMobodies> I think in 2008 or so
15:02:59 <MrMobodies> I wonder if this one came out of the same factory as the Areca stuff
15:03:00 <MrMobodies> https://store.prismelectronics.net/media/catalog/product/68322/68322-EX8300_60644_gallery.jpg
15:03:04 <DHess_US> http://www.hw-museum.cz/data/mb/pic/Asus_P4C800_Deluxe_F.jpg
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15:03:17 <MrMobodies> similar placement of stuff
15:03:46 <MrMobodies> loads of caps ontop
15:04:00 <MrMobodies> made in Taiwan so it's got to be good
15:04:12 <MrMobodies> 4 memory slots and AGP pro
15:04:24 <DHess_US> 2G of ECC memory
15:04:25 <MrMobodies> ahh and a rise board... le tme guess. WIFI THING
15:04:45 <MrMobodies> I remember those riser boards for the wifi
15:04:47 <DHess_US> Yea, but I didn't get that.
15:05:09 <DHess_US> Oh, and it has Intel CSA gigabit ethernet
15:05:21 <DHess_US> CSA was the precursor to PCIe.
15:05:49 <DHess_US> So a dedicated port on the north bridge going to an intel gigabit ethernet controller.
15:06:26 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Communication_Streaming_Architecture
15:06:37 <MrMobodies> I think the one on that 8PENXP
15:06:40 <MrMobodies> AAAH yes it
15:07:02 <MrMobodies> the same as the that 8PENXP
15:08:00 <DHess_US> It would be a usable system if 32 bit OSes and software wasn't depricated.
15:08:18 <MrMobodies> I once had an Asus A7N8X AMD that was a mistake, I should have gone for the Intel one
15:08:49 <DHess_US> All of my nVidia nForce2 motherboards died.
15:08:53 <MrMobodies> it did have Rubycon caps on it but I think it was overheating with the CPU and wen did get
15:09:07 <MrMobodies> aaah error message to do with memory management is what I got on it
15:09:24 <MrMobodies> I had to put a fan on it as it got hot
15:09:29 <DHess_US> I have a socket A VIA motherboard which is nice.
15:10:01 <MrMobodies> I have got to see more VIA stuff
15:10:33 <MrMobodies> I think the problem was that I was seeing badly designed boards with them on that put me off.
15:10:54 <MrMobodies> but I read many good reviews on high end boards
15:11:00 <MrMobodies> that had VIA on them
15:11:11 <MrMobodies> but I will never forget SiSY
15:11:18 <MrMobodies> SiSsy I mean
15:11:31 <MrMobodies> the SiS 530 in particular
15:11:46 <DHess_US> https://www.cnet.com/products/asus-a7v880-motherboard-atx-socket-a-kt880/
15:13:33 <MrMobodies> I remembered someone who had something similar to that
15:13:40 <MrMobodies> with an AMD XP 64 bit
15:13:48 <MrMobodies> I think memory slots might have been on the top
15:13:52 <MrMobodies> late 2003
15:14:02 <MrMobodies> I pretty sure that had a VIA on it
15:14:22 <DHess_US> Socket A was just before Opteron
15:14:36 <DHess_US> I don't remember what VIA had after that.
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15:15:08 <DHess_US> Mine is one of these, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_chipsets#Slot_A_and_Socket_A
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15:16:32 <MrMobodies> maybe I am confused it was something like this
15:16:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-SK8N-Socket-940-motherboard/dp/B0000C4DWY
15:16:36 <MrMobodies> but smaller
15:18:57 <MrMobodies> I see on that Wikipedia article
15:19:00 <MrMobodies> K8T800[30] VT VT8237R+/VT8251 Apr 2003 Socket 754/939 800 MHz No 533 MB/s 8x No
15:19:45 <MrMobodies> oops
15:19:51 <DHess_US> Yea, VIA made Opteron chipsets so some of them could have been 64 bit.
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15:21:33 <MrMobodies> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kG8LcWfruOAC&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=VIA+Ahtlon64++2003+64bit&source=bl&ots=xl32kdc-jJ&sig=ACfU3U1RIE0hLK1vXhJ6nbgonYV85xUG1g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinxJnJsvPnAhVdSBUIHRN4CK8Q6AEwAHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=VIA%20Ahtlon64%20%202003%2064bit&f=false
15:21:52 <MrMobodies> so they did released a cut down 64bit version for desktops
15:22:03 <MrMobodies> shipping in september 2003
15:22:34 <MrMobodies> the person I was speaking to was Swedish and he was all excited
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15:23:36 <DHess_US> sure, the list is here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_chipsets#AMD_/_Intel_processors
15:26:30 <MrMobodies> I see, The Athlon 64 chipsets do not have memory controllers, because memory controller is integrated into the CPU. Supported memory types depend on the CPU and socket used.
15:26:52 <MrMobodies> VIA K8 series – Athlon 64 chipsets. Established an early market lead, with richer features, and a full speed HyperTransport implementation
15:28:26 <DHess_US> Yes, those.
15:29:15 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can find that website he got it off
15:35:20 <MrMobodies> Found it. Komplette.se but archive.org doesn't seem to work in late 2003
15:35:22 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20041217060244/http://www.komplett.se/k/k.asp
15:49:10 <MrMobodies> I remember something in 2011
15:49:23 <MrMobodies> it was a Dallmeier cctv recorder
15:49:49 <MrMobodies> and that had an AMD in it and did have VIA controllers in
15:50:05 <MrMobodies> there a couple of Maxtor drives in there, one of which had failed
15:50:42 <MrMobodies> I can't remember the exact model but it had like a 8 coax input and some alarms
15:50:51 <MrMobodies> it was a custom motherboard
15:52:27 <MrMobodies> a bit like that https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XxitZkbt8Fs/UfqRpaCfklI/AAAAAAAAApA/dFbghVRIu2Q/s1600/IMG_20130801_155757.jpg
15:52:53 <MrMobodies> teardown
15:52:55 <MrMobodies> https://hackcorrelation.blogspot.com/2013/08/ancient-dvr-teardown-dallmeier-dls-6.html
15:54:00 <MrMobodies> I remebered it did came with an AT enemax power supply that I used to power up drives on my table
15:54:16 <MrMobodies> and it has massive inductor inside
15:56:41 <MrMobodies> sorry it was not a custom board, they just hidden the PS2 keyboard board behind the metal
15:57:53 <MrMobodies> Got to go to bed soon, see you later.
16:05:51 <DHess_US> 3 of 8 drives bad.
16:08:29 <MrMobodies> of the Hitachis
16:08:31 <MrMobodies> oh dear
16:08:42 <MrMobodies> Right, I got to go night night
16:26:21 <DHess_US> I have only confirmed 2 of them bad on my test system though and it is still busy with one of htem.
16:26:50 <DHess_US> Ah, test system finished with the second drive ... bad.
16:26:52 <DHess_US> But I knew that.
17:58:35 <steve30> hi
18:18:34 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
18:18:36 <Halcyon> I had a nap
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18:20:59 <steve30> hi Halcyon
18:21:03 <Halcyon> :)
18:21:09 <steve30> Did you find a suitable replacement oven light yet?
18:21:18 <Halcyon> Haven't really looked yet
18:21:27 <Halcyon> I need to pull the old ones out to see what specs they are
18:25:17 <steve30> i need coffee
18:25:40 <AndrevS> coffee.... same
18:26:00 <Halcyon> I need to fix my coffee machine, it's not heating anymore :(
18:27:33 <AndrevS> I just an electric kettle and a filter holder to brew my coffee
18:27:39 <Halcyon> steve30: Cutie nerd guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3m4bs6N_DY
18:28:21 <steve30> I'll watch that later
18:36:38 <steve30> I need to pop out to the shops before it rains
18:37:54 <Halcyon> I am pooped from doing yard work
18:38:08 <Halcyon> 1.5 hours of mowing and edging
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18:45:09 <Ysjoelfir> hi all
18:45:13 <Halcyon> Heya
18:45:43 <Ysjoelfir> So, my shower is still cold. And how are you? :D
18:45:51 <Halcyon> Why is it cold?
18:45:53 <Halcyon> I'm good
18:46:15 <Ysjoelfir> Because..... the landlordladything doesn't care to let it fix in a timely manner
18:46:26 <Halcyon> Rude
18:46:42 <Ysjoelfir> true
18:47:01 <Ysjoelfir> So i once again had to shower with ~3°C "warm" water
18:47:14 <Ysjoelfir> I am pretty awake now
18:47:19 <Ysjoelfir> but also pretty pissed
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19:21:26 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder how many of those people that are always online but don't ever write a word are actually either bots or the CIA, NSA or whatever :D
19:28:16 <AndrevS> Do you really thing the NSA would be lurking on IRC?
19:30:21 <Ysjoelfir> They are even lurking on Angela Merkels Phone, so.... yes. I think they would.
19:33:53 <Halcyon> AndrevS: They do from time to time, along with all other law enforcement and security. But not just sitting around endlessly, generally in response to something/someone specific.
19:43:13 <Ysjoelfir> speaking from surveilance: I think about getting a Dumbphone/Featurephone, since my LG G6 is more or less toast. (yes, i know, great transition)
19:43:18 <Ysjoelfir> Anyone has any experience with those?
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19:54:30 <AndrevS> I've been using an old Nokia 6300 for over a year now. The Nokia feature phones for sale nowadays are crap.
19:56:38 <Ysjoelfir> I would basically do that, too, if my contacts wouldn't only communicate over whatsapp.
19:56:45 <AndrevS> Oh well, back in the days when I was a university student, there was this presentation by the AIVD (Dutch intelligence service), basically they told us, don't think you're not interesting, foreign intelligence services are intereted in you.
19:57:36 <Ysjoelfir> thats why I think about getting a featurephone with KaiOS, to have... well, basically a phone that can do SMS, Phonecalls, and Whatsapp. That's all I need.
19:58:23 <AndrevS> KaiOS, yeah. I've been thinking about that as well. And then perhaps flash it to GerdaOS
19:58:51 <Ysjoelfir> I would prefer if it wouldn't have the same name as I have x.x
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20:27:06 <steve30> I went all the way to the Co-OP, and they'd not got any newspapers
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20:56:05 <steve30> hmm, there's what looks like a removals van at number 14
21:11:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My moon landing conspiracy busting video finally cracked 100k views after 2 1/2 years. Now were is my promised cheque please @NASA https://t.co/fEG4yqpOuY
21:21:30 <K> hello
21:35:30 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
21:35:49 <Ysjoelfir> :O
21:36:01 <Ysjoelfir> The bot did NOT activate with neither of us!
21:36:07 <Ysjoelfir> I am very disappointed
21:38:37 <K> we should file a complaint
21:42:12 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
21:42:14 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera!
21:42:16 <Ysjoelfir> fix this! :D
21:45:42 <K> injustice!
21:48:14 <steve30> Hello K
21:48:15 <EEVBlog> Hello there, steve30!
21:48:20 <steve30> yipee!
21:49:12 <Ysjoelfir> INJUSTICE!!!!
21:55:00 <Ysjoelfir> oh and, hello steve30
21:55:00 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
21:55:03 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo!
21:55:05 <Ysjoelfir> justice!
21:55:38 * Ampera coughs at Halcyon
21:56:20 <Ampera> buh
21:59:49 * steve30 makes coffee
22:01:35 <Ampera> today is the last weekday of the week
22:01:37 <Ampera> blech
22:01:59 <Ysjoelfir> nice
22:03:14 <K> is that a bad thing because you will have to stay home with family?
22:06:27 <Ampera> no it's a bad thing because I still have to work today
22:07:54 <K> ah.
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22:19:27 <Lemon> sup thugs
22:20:08 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Lemon
22:20:22 <Ysjoelfir> Can't decide which phone to get...
22:20:29 <Ysjoelfir> my LG is dieing
22:20:47 <Lemon> grab a goold ol second hand iphone SE or 7, they work well and are cheap
22:20:48 <Ysjoelfir> but I can't decide between the Nokia 800 tough, 2720 flip, 8110, and the CAT B35
22:21:23 <Ysjoelfir> I don't want neither a new fragile smartphone with too much stuff that I don't need, nor something from apple, if I can avoid it ;)
22:22:11 <Lemon> well for the fragility I can understand but honestly it works really well, if you just care about calls/sms and some websurfing :>
22:22:27 <Lemon> heck mine survived many free parties xd
22:22:53 <Ysjoelfir> that is the reason why I would actually maybe try an apple. but I don't like that biosystem they build up around that manufacturer.
22:23:42 <Ysjoelfir> but I decided to go for a featurephone/dumbphone, so no apple or "real" android for me I guess
22:24:09 <Lemon> yeah thats understandable
22:24:28 <Lemon> those CAT phones are a bit overpriced, according to my father (but it was one or two years ago)
22:24:59 <Ysjoelfir> they are. the CAT B35 is basically identical to the nokia 800 tough, but 20€ more expensive
22:25:10 <Ysjoelfir> and the accu doesn't last as long
22:28:04 <Lemon> are you sure you need a really tough phone ? or a random one with a nice case/glass screen wont cut it#
22:29:39 <Lemon> ho and I just got some 555 timers :>
22:30:19 <Ysjoelfir> i don't neccessarily need a tough phone, no. I just like the form factor of classic phones. that is why I said those four are the ones I have to choose from. they aren't.... "Smart", they are just phones that can additionally to sending SMS and.. well... making calls, use whatsapp and have a navigation system.
22:30:22 <Ysjoelfir> that's all I need
22:30:25 <Ysjoelfir> and want tbh
22:30:43 <Lemon> yeah same for me
22:32:23 <Lemon> if I use older iphones, its mainly because I can buy them for 100 euros or so, they usually last 3 years easily (I even give them away fully working) and I just remove everything on it, leaving what I actually use :> and compared to an android, well, its a lot easier and less prone to problems ! my father was a big enthusiast in the phone game, he'd have in hands every new phones, or obscure
22:32:23 <Lemon> stuff, and at the end of the day he'd keep going back for older iphones, for some reasons
22:32:57 <Lemon> I think iphones 5s to 7 are comparable to macbook 2015
22:33:05 <Lemon> they are those rare apple products that simply works
22:36:04 <Lemon> but for a new phone honestly
22:36:33 <Lemon> I don't really know what I'd get, probably something in the 100-150 euros range that is the simplest shit availaible :>
22:39:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ok, this wins the Internet! https://t.co/2r8IFvEC1U
22:57:07 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
22:58:51 <DHess_US> That is what I did. Just picked up a TCL special. Oddly enough, low end cheap phones have user replaceable batteries.
22:59:12 <DHess_US> And headphone jacks. And microSD card slots.
23:05:04 <Lemon> ho btw, those test leads I got are a bit old and contacts needs to be cleaned
23:05:08 <Lemon> what can I use ?
23:05:23 <Ampera> depends on if they're dirty or corroded
23:05:32 <Ampera> if they're just dirty, your favourite organic solvent should do the trick
23:05:34 <Ysjoelfir> and: gold, copper or silver?
23:05:39 <Ampera> ^
23:05:46 <coppice_> start with detergent to get the grime off, and take it from there
23:06:05 <Ampera> if they're corroded, you could try WD-40, among a various load of other possible remedies
23:06:14 <Ampera> and if they're tarnished, you can do the classic, saltwater and tinfoil
23:06:53 <Lemon> hmmm I thought about wd40 yes, it wont damage the plastic ? as I need to clean female contacts too (they are stackable leads)
23:07:18 <Ampera> depends on the plastic, but if you just put it on a paper towel and be careful it should be fine
23:07:42 <Ampera> er, female contacts
23:07:50 <Ampera> hm
23:07:56 <Ampera> deoxit? :P
23:09:52 <Ysjoelfir> how about some lube and a bit of poking action? 0:-)
23:10:10 <Ampera> if you don't pipe down I'll give you some poking action
23:11:00 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
23:11:49 <Ampera> I'm listening to music from before my great grandmother's time
23:12:04 <Ampera> I think I have ascended beyond the hipstersphere
23:13:35 <Ysjoelfir> xD
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