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00:00:12 <Ysjoelfir> by the way, rust_collector: https://snipboard.io/i4F7nq.jpg
00:01:06 <DHess_US> So much cringe, https://i.ibb.co/VgyLWCb/IMG-0378.jpg https://i.ibb.co/YWCLQxY/Untitled-1.png
00:01:09 <hsn> zfs not going to be in linux kernel ? why license issues?
00:01:14 <rust_collector> when people have nothing useful to do....
00:01:28 <DHess_US> I've had problems with ZFS
00:01:55 <Ampera> hsn Oracle in one word
00:02:15 <hsn> openZFS? :(
00:02:17 <Ampera> Of course there's problems to be had with ZFS
00:02:21 <Ampera> I've had a few
00:02:28 <DHess_US> My ZFS NAS crashes SMB if I access files too quickly when scrubbing is going on.
00:02:57 <DHess_US> Or something like that.
00:03:06 <Ampera> That's your fault for using SMB >:D
00:03:20 <DHess_US> Or, I could not use ZFS and then it all works.
00:03:29 <Ampera> Works fine for me
00:03:43 <DHess_US> But that is irrelevant.
00:03:48 <Ampera> I have had problems with pools not mounting right
00:03:53 <hsn> meanwhile i read how to deal with simple NAND chips :)
00:04:06 <DHess_US> On the other hand, my Areca stuff has never failed and is very fast.
00:04:24 <rust_collector> and I am looking at old xkcd things again
00:04:25 <Ampera> The FreeBSD kernel confused me by screaming that my drives had broken GPTs
00:04:32 <Ysjoelfir> Same goes for my Highpoint controller. Works great that thing. ok, it was expensive as fuck but meh
00:04:33 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/SB2a0I.jpg
00:04:44 <Ysjoelfir> with or without brunost rusty?
00:04:55 <Ampera> Well hardware RAID will always be better than software
00:05:04 <Ampera> It will also be more expensive
00:05:29 <DHess_US> It shouldn't be better as long as I/O doesn't limit performance.
00:06:04 <Ysjoelfir> which it doesn't, if you don't have SSD Raids IMHO.
00:06:09 <DHess_US> Of course there are some really junk hardware RAID systems.
00:06:38 <hsn> i need RAID on the RAM .. firefox tabs is eating it all .. like the locusts
00:07:15 <DHess_US> Ysjoelfir, that is exactly when I/O matters. With software RAID, the CPU needs full bandwidth to each drive which might not be possible. With hardware RAID, it only needs full bandwidth to the controller.
00:07:25 <Lemon> well peeps always saying stuff on chrome but I reached 350+ tabs, and it was only using like 12-13gigs
00:07:34 <Lemon> maybe less
00:07:36 <DHess_US> "only"
00:07:43 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I meant :)
00:07:47 <Lemon> well out of 64 its no big deal :>
00:08:01 <Lemon> and who uses 350 tabs xd
00:08:07 <Lemon> im a special fucker in that area
00:08:12 <hsn> lemon dont u dare to call (GIGAS) (gigs) like small babies
00:08:25 <Lemon> gigs gigs gigs !
00:08:34 <Lemon> Giga octets :>
00:08:46 <DHess_US> 401 tabs and 19 windows in Firefox is taking ... 1GB
00:08:49 <Ysjoelfir> performance inbetween drives should improve by using a hardware controller, IF the drives combined bandwidth need exceeds the bandwith that is available between CPU and controller
00:09:01 <Lemon> no more ? really nice
00:09:25 <Ysjoelfir> compare that to opera... it digs through ram in no time.
00:09:39 <hsn> well they started storing in active tabs and reload them when required..
00:09:52 <Ysjoelfir> I have just 16 tabs open (2 of them youtube), and it eats about 2 gb
00:09:52 <hsn> inactive tabs
00:10:14 <hsn> Ysjoelfir yours is hungry
00:10:23 <Ysjoelfir> it is.
00:10:26 <hsn> i cant count youtube. .
00:10:31 <Lemon> ho btw on the hp 54201d, it says it can go up to 300mhz 'repetitive bandwith'
00:10:36 <hsn> but i think > 5 opened
00:10:37 <Lemon> is it like an analog scope ?
00:11:12 <Lemon> it can store up to 50mhz I think, and show up to 300mhz
00:11:17 <Lemon> I dont understand it fully
00:11:54 <hsn> it may need more GIGS :-)
00:11:56 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/681488392063811621/IMG_20200224_081053.jpg
00:12:00 <Ampera> Cat
00:12:11 <Ampera> He a cute
00:12:21 <hsn> there is white hole in the black cat
00:12:37 <Ampera> Yee
00:13:06 <hsn> this cat looks soo wise
00:13:34 <rust_collector> yes, it says. I will conserve energy
00:14:48 <Ampera> He should be wise, his name is Fermi
00:16:03 <DHess_US> Lemon, 200 MSamples/second digitizing rate. 300 MHz bandwidth is in equivalent time sampling mode with 200 picosecond resolution so 5 GSamples/second
00:16:47 <Lemon> thats actually really nice
00:16:59 <Lemon> and it got some logic analyzing capabilities too
00:17:05 <Lemon> I got the three pods with it !
00:17:09 <DHess_US> Roughly like a Tektronix 2440 or later DSO
00:17:11 <Lemon> but one channel isnt working
00:17:20 <Lemon> no big deal, honestly
00:18:03 <Lemon> my analog scope is a 2245a, 100mhz which is already quite nice
00:18:11 <Lemon> and also a ths710a but it seems out of cal
00:18:15 <Lemon> the dmm part too is out of cal
00:18:34 <DHess_US> 6 bit digitizers
00:18:50 <Lemon> honestly I lack a lot on that area :>
00:18:58 <Lemon> I need to learn ! but its a nice thing
00:19:07 <DHess_US> No peak detection
00:19:30 <hsn> how 300MHz is getting 5G samples ? i dont understand
00:20:01 <DHess_US> hsn, https://www.tek.com/document/application-note/real-time-versus-equivalent-time-sampling
00:20:13 <Lemon> thanks lets read it
00:21:29 <DHess_US> hsn, basically the time difference between the trigger point and 200 MHz sampling clock is measured so that multiple acquisitions can be aligned correctly to get the points in between.
00:22:09 <DHess_US> Like a stroboscope and long exposure camera.
00:29:15 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, you remember that small 40A AC Current clamp, the one we relabel and sell?
00:29:25 <Lemon> yes !
00:30:17 <Ysjoelfir> You asked what it would cost to buy the parts. I just stumbled upon a price liste. Still can't tell you the price the parts would take, but when we would buy a thousand of them with our name printed onto it we would pay 192€ a piece.
00:31:42 <Lemon> and how much the final client would buy it ?
00:31:53 <hsn> DHess_US multiple acquisitions (ie multi channel scope) ?
00:32:01 <Lemon> I think thats what you said yesterday when we were talking about, 2-300 area
00:32:09 <Ysjoelfir> erm... I can ask that. one moment
00:32:20 <DHess_US> hsn, no, multiple acquisitions of the same channel
00:33:25 <Ysjoelfir> around 500€ Lemon
00:33:32 <Lemon> ho thats alright
00:33:52 <hsn> so if its (2Gsa/s) its 8bit -> 250MHz?
00:33:56 <Lemon> when I see those scope current clamps selling for 4k, well
00:34:02 <Lemon> im really wondering the profit
00:34:17 <Ysjoelfir> keep in mind that the 192€ are for the uncompensated clamp, while the 500€ are for the clamp + that negative resistance circuit I told you about
00:34:32 <Lemon> its pretty decent
00:34:50 <Ysjoelfir> well, it's the smalles one we sell. the bigger ones get more exprensive pretty rapidly
00:36:05 <coppice_> Lemon: The 4k ones are wideband
00:37:17 <Ysjoelfir> what is wide for you?
00:38:36 <coppice_> what is annoying with scope accessories is most people needing some form of current probe need it for mains power, and don't need massive bandwidth, but the offerings are mostly very expensive because they offer scope like bandwidth
00:38:56 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
00:39:21 <Ysjoelfir> the one we were talking about is specified as +- 0.5% from 5 to 15kHz
00:40:06 <coppice_> that's fine for most power work that's not switching
00:40:15 <Ysjoelfir> (+ a compensation network we build into these to straighten the frequency response down to nearly DC
00:40:34 <Ysjoelfir> so it's basically +- 0.5% from ~DC to 15kHz
00:41:50 <Ysjoelfir> but we also sell clamps with bigger bandwidth... but not very often, because as you said, it's usually not needed
00:42:00 <Ysjoelfir> also, those get expensive preeeeetty quickly
00:44:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh, lemon, I found a datasheet from Universal Technic in french. If you are interested? there are some information about how to use them and different styles of current sensing,...
00:44:55 <Ysjoelfir> at least I guess that's what it is, judging from the pictures.
00:45:25 <coppice_> There aren't too many ways to sense current. It doesn't take long to go through them
00:46:09 <Ysjoelfir> basically direct, inductive and hall, to name the most popular ones.
00:46:55 <coppice_> inductive is broad. CTs, rogowski, and flux gate are very different
00:47:27 <Ysjoelfir> true.
01:05:33 <Ampera> buh, my iBook G4 isn't connecting to wlan right today
01:05:44 <Ampera> it's very much, do it when I want to, about that.
01:16:21 <T3sl4> canada intensifies https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/f8pbcm/good_fishing_company/
01:17:34 <coppice_> is that a salmon mousse?
01:24:45 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) EOF from client
01:35:24 <rust_collector> Yess! the isp will come and replace my internet box. I guess they have lost control over the old one, lol
01:36:47 <rust_collector> the bad thing, is that I have to drag the piano put of the way
01:37:11 <Ysjoelfir> you play pioan?
01:37:24 <rust_collector> no
01:38:04 <rust_collector> I hate the damn thing. if it was mine, I would gut it, and make it into a bar
01:38:59 <rust_collector> it was a good piano, back in the day, it was used in a theatre. and it has 2 extra low notes
01:39:42 <rust_collector> but it needs tuning all the time, which is annoying
01:40:19 <Ysjoelfir> Just get a nyckelharpa then
01:40:29 <rust_collector> no
01:40:34 <Ysjoelfir> why?^^
01:40:54 <rust_collector> because then I would have that, AND a fucking piano
01:41:05 <Ysjoelfir> wouldn't that be great?
01:41:14 <rust_collector> no, not really
01:41:30 <rust_collector> well, now that I think about it, I do have one, up in the attic
01:41:40 <rust_collector> maybe 2m, not sure
01:42:08 <Ysjoelfir> cool :)
01:42:16 <rust_collector> how do you hook up rgb leds to that?
01:42:50 <Ysjoelfir> hmm....
01:42:52 <Ysjoelfir> slip rings
01:43:00 <rust_collector> now, I really want to install guitar pickups in a piano some time. that could be interesting
01:45:26 <rust_collector> I guess they should in theory cover all the strings, but... maybe a million pickups side by side would do?
01:46:09 <rust_collector> 15 pickups...
01:52:29 <Ampera> rust_collector, that makes me think of the Wurlitzer and Rhodes electric pianos
01:52:36 <Ampera> I love the sound of the Wurlitzer, I wish I had one
01:53:01 <rust_collector> yeah, that could be cool, if one was into playing things
01:53:31 <coppice_> The whirly whirly Wurlitzer? Do you need it to be accompanied by a silent movie?
01:55:09 * Ampera supertramples coppice_
01:55:12 <rust_collector> I do have a thing for the sound jon lords hammond made.
01:55:47 <coppice_> his distinctive sound came from using a leslie cabinet
01:56:12 <rust_collector> I do not care, it still sounds great
02:01:34 <coppice_> he basically wanted to sound more like Ritchie Blackmore, so he fed his organ through the same guitar amp setups until he got something he liked
02:02:25 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqM5L5JQseI
02:03:26 <rust_collector> well, works for me
02:09:20 <Ysjoelfir> I like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htAZD7Jh7Ms
02:10:13 * Ysjoelfir stares angrily at the cleaning lady and her fucking hoover.
02:10:20 <Ysjoelfir> one day i will hide that thing somewhere
02:14:29 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/pKQGKSg.gif
02:14:31 <rust_collector> I like that comment
02:14:35 <rust_collector> They seem like a great couple. Though in almost every picture of them Candice is always smiling and Ritchie always looks like he just got off the phone with the IRS.
02:17:01 <hsn> 2 days reading NAND interface to understand whats going on .. im tooo slow or this is normal ?
02:17:45 <rust_collector> what makes you think anything is going on?
02:18:02 <hsn> current
02:19:18 <hsn> well some code provided by atmel ASF .. their developer board .. and some datasheet ..
02:19:32 <DHess_US> NAND is pretty complicated because it uses a state machine to control operations internally. So you have a full packet based interface.
02:20:37 <hsn> i dont know about "internally" im talking about the pretty straight forward interface for both (board layout + software)
02:20:43 <hsn> :(
02:22:00 <DHess_US> NAND software is even more of a mess.
02:22:54 <DHess_US> Because NAND has all kinds of read, erase, and program requirements and is an error prone storage medium unlike NOR Flash or EEPROM.
02:23:27 <hsn> so i shouldnt go for nand
02:23:46 <DHess_US> Depends on how much storage you need and what the performance requiremetns are.
02:24:05 <DHess_US> It is the most economical bulk storage.
02:24:17 <hsn> this one i have is 2Gb . more than what i need
02:24:24 <DHess_US> If you just need kilowords of storage, EEPROM is much easier.
02:25:02 <hsn> no EEPROM i want to have some FS and webserver ..
02:28:46 <hsn> but if NOR was (simpler) but just (few bucks expensive) then NAND was the wrong choice..
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04:01:34 <rust_collector> HEY Lemon !!!
04:01:37 <rust_collector> wheeeee!!
04:01:44 <Lemon> weeeeee
04:02:19 <rust_collector> ok, uhm, now what?
04:02:31 <Lemon> well idk, you tell me !
04:02:40 <Lemon> I still need to remove one screen and stack dem gear
04:02:42 <rust_collector> are you at home, and building an oscillator?
04:02:56 <Lemon> I napped for 4 hours
04:03:02 <rust_collector> arrrgh
04:03:36 <rust_collector> I wonder why I woke up at 7.45 today. it is not usual for me on a day off
04:03:53 <Ampera> you people and your naps
04:03:59 <Ampera> it's like you don't have jobs or something
04:04:12 <Lemon> I dont :>
04:04:20 <rust_collector> I don't have a job... today
04:04:25 <Lemon> its been, 1.5 years now
04:04:26 <rust_collector> and not tomorrow
04:05:07 <rust_collector> I guess it is safe to turn on my phone again now, it is too late for the boss to plan something for me tomorrow
04:05:19 <Lemon> take care bro
04:05:21 <Lemon> wait tonight
04:14:32 <rust_collector> ok, let me see some pics!
04:14:42 <rust_collector> power supply first
04:23:41 <Lemon> sure gimme a sec im stacking stuff
04:28:04 <K> stuffing a sack
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04:34:49 <HarryWales> Greeting fellow peasants.
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04:38:08 <K> that didn't take long
04:38:23 <rust_collector> busy farm boys....
04:41:57 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/MZzcTqn
04:42:03 <Lemon> whats on the table came from germany :>
04:43:03 <Lemon> I need to clean and find a spot for the supply !
04:43:07 <Lemon> but damn its pretty crowded
04:43:19 <Lemon> and I dont think I can stack it on top of other three on the right
04:43:22 <Lemon> I dont want to damage anything
04:43:51 <rust_collector> what is the black thing in the basket?
04:44:26 <Lemon> ho a clamp !
04:44:39 <Lemon> a no name one :> but hey
04:44:54 <rust_collector> neat. so.... what is the screen thingin there?
04:45:07 <Lemon> a small power meter :>
04:45:16 <rust_collector> BOOO!
04:45:20 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir gave me all sort of some neat thingies
04:45:26 <rust_collector> you should throw that away
04:45:31 <Lemon> whyyy
04:45:34 <rust_collector> power meter
04:45:38 <Lemon> it also shows amps, volts etc
04:45:38 <rust_collector> bah
04:45:41 <Lemon> its a nice one
04:45:55 <rust_collector> well, ok, as long as you abuse it to work like a voltmeter
04:46:25 <Lemon> pffrt :> he also gave me a variac, I need to build an enclosure for it
04:46:34 <Lemon> also 3 bargraph vaccum display thingies
04:46:36 <rust_collector> ah, neat
04:46:47 <Lemon> various boxes, stuff I dont know what is it doing but with nice boxes to salvage xd
04:46:55 <Lemon> tons of cables, from both of them
04:47:15 <Lemon> mamalala was openning some boxes and like 'you want those ? I dont need them' and throwing everything in a bag haha
04:47:29 <Lemon> I have tons of components like matrix displays, seven digits, encoders, pots etc
04:47:30 <rust_collector> so, you need a cable rack thing then
04:47:32 <Lemon> im so happy man
04:47:35 <Lemon> yeah I def need one
04:47:40 <Lemon> because remember, I bought some on ali
04:47:48 <Lemon> and 10 pairs from a dude near my area
04:50:11 <rust_collector> I am sure the cat will let you have some on its tower
04:52:25 <mamalala> ha, see, without us krauts the french would have nothing, and still had to stick their fingers in the outlets to check if they are live :P
04:52:26 <mamalala> :P
04:53:10 <rust_collector> you mean alive?
04:53:23 <mamalala> that works too, yes... haha
04:57:25 <K> olive!
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05:04:59 <Lemonizer> haha thats not false !! :>
05:05:05 <Lemonizer> thanks again dude really !!
05:05:18 <Lemonizer> I have months of learning ahead, just to know how to use all the stuff :P
05:05:20 <mamalala> you're welcome
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05:08:24 <rust_collector> figure out how to blink a led using the resistor box and the logic analyser part of the scope. meh, use the scope too, if you want to
05:11:40 <Lemonizer> figuring how to use the scope will already be a challenge :>
05:11:57 <mamalala> haha, yes, that thing is "fun" to use, for sure
05:12:08 <Lemonizer> ho yeah :P
05:12:10 <mamalala> it's not really meant to be used stand-alone, originally
05:12:39 <Lemonizer> you can control it with a computer right ?
05:13:17 <mamalala> yes, through the IEEE interface on the back ... same for the fluke
05:13:35 <rust_collector> hope you have a 4 core dos machine
05:13:37 <Lemonizer> that would be nice to try that too if I can find the right cables :>
05:13:41 <Lemonizer> ho dozen of them xd
05:13:58 <mamalala> ah, damn, see... i knew i forgot something
05:14:01 <Lemonizer> I have a box with what, 100 cpus in them ? from early 80's to 2000
05:14:06 <mamalala> i have a bus cable somewhere...
05:14:17 <Lemonizer> ho no problems ! maybe my father had one :>
05:14:59 <rust_collector> there is always next week
05:15:02 <rust_collector> end
05:15:28 <Lemonizer> haha well I'll have to wait a bit, first checkup of the car, and next to sell this freaking laptop because im running out of money x)
05:16:39 <rust_collector> meh, sell the car
05:17:55 <rust_collector> buy a cheap bus. that way you can be green and stuff
05:18:02 <steve30> I ordered some PWM LED dimmers on ebay
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05:23:31 <mamalala> moin Ysjoelfir
05:23:35 <Ysjoelfir> moin
05:23:42 <Ysjoelfir> damn austnet IP range blocking shit -.-
05:23:56 <Ysjoelfir> just had to reset my router three times to get an IP from a range that is not blocked
05:24:06 <mamalala> that sucks
05:24:41 <rust_collector> steve30, what kind of led dimmer? for ceiling light kind of leds, or?
05:25:39 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-compact-High-Speed-PWM-LED-Dimmer-DC3V-35V-4A-90W-Switching-Frequency-10K/183184225387?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Db255e268d3694e71ad979e127c4b45ca%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D182518293610%26itm%3D183184225387%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Af629142a-5732-11ea-9d3f-74dbd180cdf8
05:25:40 <steve30> |parentrq%3A7871ef861700a4d0e1a8e404fffa3478|iid%3A1
05:25:53 <steve30> damn ebay urls
05:26:31 <mamalala> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-compact-High-Speed-PWM-LED-Dimmer-DC3V-35V-4A-90W-Switching-Frequency-10K/183184225387
05:27:28 <mamalala> you can even leave the name out, only needs the item number, like so: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183184225387
05:41:17 <rust_collector> motot +/- that is probably ok
05:41:24 <rust_collector> motor
05:55:04 <rust_collector> it is a pretty neat little thingie
06:22:56 <steve30> I've run out of chocolate
06:23:48 <Lemonizer> alright mamalala I sorted every components you gave me :P
06:24:23 <mamalala> Lemonizer: hehe
06:29:51 <Halcyon> Morning all
06:35:06 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
06:35:09 <Ampera> how are you doing
06:35:34 <Halcyon> Not too bad, you?
06:35:43 <Ampera> Alright.
06:35:47 <Ampera> I bought something neat
06:35:49 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
06:36:16 <Ampera> https://store.pine64.org/?product=pinetime-dev-kit
06:36:24 <Ampera> 25 dollar smart watch
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06:36:57 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
06:37:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Ampera
06:37:04 <Ysjoelfir> WB Lemon
06:37:04 <Ampera> Hi Ysjoelfir
06:37:58 <Halcyon> Nice
06:38:17 <Lemonizer> hey Ysjoelfir I just openned one of those boxy thingies :>
06:38:23 <Lemonizer> its just resistors ! I was so surprised xd
06:38:32 <Lemonizer> but really nice quality stuff, plated nuts washers etc
06:38:40 <Lemonizer> I just dont know how to removes connectors :>
06:39:18 <Ysjoelfir> the artificial midpoints?^^ yep, only resistors :P
06:39:23 <Lemonizer> yeah !
06:39:42 <steve30> hi Halcyon
06:40:00 <Ysjoelfir> the connectors: they have a special nut with a slot. Best way to loosen those is; loosen it with a needle nose plier, then unscrew by hand
06:40:30 <Halcyon> :)
06:40:51 <Lemonizer> yeah thats what I try, they turn thats all !
06:40:54 <Lemonizer> thats weird
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06:42:01 <Ysjoelfir> ah. then you have to hold the connector with either a small wrench (on the top where the internal connector nut is, there is a flat part where it can engage) or a psecond plier
06:42:42 <Lemonizer> hmmm ok I'll try that thanks :>
06:44:48 <mamalala> heya Ysjoelfir
06:45:32 * steve30 meows
06:45:58 <Ysjoelfir> hey :)
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06:49:22 <Lemonizer> ho I remember something
06:49:37 <Lemonizer> a friend got his car full of musical instrument stuff stolen one day
06:49:48 <Lemonizer> and three months later he got it back
06:49:59 <Lemonizer> he forgot that he parked it elsewhere :>
06:50:43 <Lemonizer> that was pretty impressive, I thought I was good at losing shit but damn
06:51:02 <Ysjoelfir> lol? xD
06:51:30 <Lemonizer> like really
06:52:37 <mamalala> Lemonizer: when do you connect the voltage refernce to the luke?
06:52:43 <mamalala> *fluke
06:57:41 <Lemonizer> ho as soon as I get it ! it should be there this week I think :>
06:57:58 <Lemonizer> ffs my anne pro lost a feet
06:59:04 <mamalala> ah thought you had it already
07:01:58 <Lemonizer> be sure that it will be the first dmm I'll test :P
07:03:13 <Lemonizer> https://imgur.com/a/MZzcTqn mamalala
07:04:51 <mamalala> nice!
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07:09:35 <Lemonizer> I dont know if I can stack more things on top of the three pieces on the right :>
07:09:40 <Lemonizer> I dont want to damage anything
07:10:15 <Ysjoelfir> AGAIN banned, wtf! Austnet guys, please, get your ban lists correct -.-
07:15:34 <Lemonizer> how do you work it around each time ? using a vpn ?
07:15:48 <Lemonizer> or is it a temp ban ?
07:16:18 <rust_collector> ban ban banbanban baaaaan baaaaaan ban banban ban ban ban ban
07:17:39 <rust_collector> Lemonizer, the bench looks... used now
07:18:00 <Lemonizer> used ? :>
07:18:13 <rust_collector> not empty?
07:18:23 <Lemonizer> ha ! yeah, packed af :>
07:18:32 <Lemonizer> I need to find a spot for the psu
07:18:41 <Ysjoelfir> No, I reset the reouter until i get a new IP
07:18:45 <rust_collector> I can find some room, don't worry
07:20:08 <Lemonizer> and to build a box for the variac
07:20:21 <rust_collector> ok, you can do that
07:20:39 <rust_collector> put fake wood on the box, lol
07:20:52 <Lemonizer> well I planned to built it in wood in fact
07:20:55 <Lemonizer> that would be easier
07:21:12 <Lemonizer> I got a friend who is working a lot with wood, so he got everything
07:21:24 <rust_collector> you do not need much
07:21:37 <Lemonizer> nah true but I dont have much tools for wood working sadly
07:21:45 <rust_collector> but I guess he also has some ideas about how to
07:21:52 <Lemonizer> exactly
07:22:25 <rust_collector> walnut, maybe? teak?
07:22:49 <Lemonizer> hmm idk how to call it in english but in french we call it 'mdf'
07:22:58 <Lemonizer> some recycled stuff thats pretty sturdy and thin
07:23:01 <rust_collector> sawdust and glue, ok
07:23:05 <Lemonizer> or something else if I find it
07:23:13 <Lemonizer> well I need to pierce a big round hole
07:23:20 <Lemonizer> thats the main problem if I want to do it nicely
07:23:31 <rust_collector> that should not be a problem for mr buddy
07:23:40 <Lemonizer> nah easy pz
07:24:14 <Ysjoelfir> strange, we call it MDF in german, too.
07:24:16 <rust_collector> I absolutely hate working with mdf. it is not a bad material, but... that dust
07:24:27 <Lemonizer> ho
07:24:31 <Lemonizer> maybe its universal then :>
07:24:34 <Ysjoelfir> Mitteldichte Faserplatte. Medium Density Fiber board
07:24:44 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like it can be abbreviated the same in english
07:24:52 <rust_collector> yup
07:25:14 <Lemonizer> yeah medium densitee fibre something in french
07:25:18 <Lemonizer> almost the same
07:27:01 <rust_collector> try to seal the mdf, when it is done, so it does not do weird stuff in 15 years
07:27:28 <rust_collector> it is pretty stable, but
07:27:46 <Lemonizer> yeah glue + screws
07:28:02 <Lemonizer> and something to make it shiny
07:28:03 <rust_collector> I mean, keep the moisture out of it
07:28:05 <rust_collector> yes
07:28:10 <rust_collector> shiny is good
07:29:11 <rust_collector> heh, do a piano finish one it. a million coats of black, sand, more coats of black, polish... then polish more
07:29:28 <rust_collector> nah, just get it done
07:29:38 <rust_collector> have fun and stuff
07:29:40 <Lemonizer> I was thinking about painiting it in black
07:29:48 <Lemonizer> I like to do nice things when I do them
07:32:08 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x2HRM4JqSo
07:32:36 <rust_collector> not really my thing, but sort of interesting
07:32:57 <Lemonizer> I think the same yeah
07:33:00 <Lemonizer> looks interesting :>
07:33:09 <Lemonizer> I like sober stuff usually
07:34:16 <Lemonizer> gotta have the patience to do that
07:34:24 <rust_collector> yep
07:36:43 <rust_collector> I wonder if they have liquid hydrogen on ebay
07:40:31 <rust_collector> Liquid Coconut Oil.... no, that is not it
07:46:53 <Ysjoelfir> but you have to admit that its pretty close
07:47:04 <rust_collector> it could work
07:50:14 <Lemonizer> hey mamalala do you remember how the channel on the scope stopped working ?
07:50:37 <mamalala> one say it was still working, the next day it stopped working
07:50:45 <mamalala> *day
07:51:05 <Lemonizer> ho ok thats weird
07:51:12 <Lemonizer> so it didnt broke when you were using it
07:51:18 <mamalala> correct
07:51:37 <Lemonizer> maybe thats nothing much who knows !
07:52:39 <mamalala> well, it's pretty old, and full of custom chips ... those old custom chips have a tendency to simply die sometimes
07:53:06 <Lemonizer> hmmm ics are usually pretty tough
07:53:12 <Lemonizer> maybe simply some caps ?
07:53:15 <Lemonizer> or stuff like that
07:54:40 <Lemonizer> did you know that on those type of digitizing scopes, theres easter eggs ??
07:54:40 <mamalala> dunno... you have to keep in mind that they had to push the chips pretty hard, to get the performance, back in the day
07:54:45 <Lemonizer> I saw one with tetris on it xd
07:54:53 <Lemonizer> thats true yeah
08:02:05 <Ysjoelfir> You know... there are times where I like those strange french guys
08:02:09 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stTN_M0QsVY
08:02:23 <Ysjoelfir> Now I have the urge to make deep fried meatballs to ma spaghetti
08:02:23 <rust_collector> alex is cool
08:02:43 <Ysjoelfir> indeed he is. I watch him regularely
08:05:50 <mamalala> This Old Tony is also very good
08:06:03 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely!
08:06:18 <rust_collector> I think he is busy
08:09:55 <rust_collector> is Remi Gaillard still alive?
08:10:11 <Lemonizer> yeah
08:10:18 <Lemonizer> not a lot active I think
08:10:56 <rust_collector> makes sense. I would think someone would have killed him by now
08:11:15 <Lemonizer> do you know mickael youn ?
08:11:33 <Lemonizer> he was basically the same, but damn sometimes he had some problems
08:11:51 <rust_collector> not by name. let me see
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09:06:38 <rust_collector> HEY! where did the french guy go?
09:07:30 <Ampera> He must have ran away
09:07:45 <Ampera> Surrendered his position and fell back
09:07:49 <rust_collector> offff, them frenchers
09:11:43 <Ampera> They make good
09:11:44 <Ampera> Uh
09:11:51 <Ampera> Er
09:11:59 <rust_collector> that thing
09:12:05 <Ampera> Bread
09:12:08 <Ampera> There we go
09:12:09 <rust_collector> bread
09:12:12 <Ampera> Something they do
09:12:12 <rust_collector> yes
09:12:33 <Ampera> Italians do it better, but oh well
09:12:42 <rust_collector> well, it is technically bread, but... is it really bread?
09:13:01 <rust_collector> Ooh, yes, italian bread!
09:13:12 <rust_collector> but french... not sure
09:13:27 <Ampera> This isn't the US we're talking about
09:13:40 <Ampera> Where our bread is analogous to some cakes
09:14:55 <rust_collector> mmm, cake
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11:53:15 <MrMobodies> Hello
11:54:51 <MrMobodies> speaking of bread, I have found something called milk rolls
11:55:06 <MrMobodies> https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/254942734
11:55:22 <MrMobodies> still full of preservatives
11:55:57 <MrMobodies> thin slices but I don't seem to feel as bloated later on in the day
11:56:47 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ok, so I didn't get a Bubbles shopping trolley joke in the comments on my latest video, now I get it, LOL: https://t.co/DrBEm0vctL
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20:14:29 <Halcyon> Evening all
20:14:37 <steve30> morning
20:15:17 <Halcyon> How are you Steve?
20:15:22 <steve30> hmm, my email server doesn't seem to like sending things to Yahoo email addresses
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20:36:05 * T3sl4 squawks at Halcyon
20:39:37 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4 :)
20:44:58 <hsn93> i've got the most annoying interview in electrical and water authority today
20:46:09 <Halcyon> A job interview?
20:46:14 <hsn93> yes
20:46:25 <Halcyon> Why was it annoying?
20:46:53 <hsn93> the (chief of muppets) was asking me to talk about my self i started to talk about some (barcode tracing system) i was building for a welding company ie (welders productivity, material control, etc)
20:47:02 <hsn93> and he jumped to ask about pipes types
20:47:17 <hsn93> so i said one is stainless steel L316~somthing i guess
20:47:29 <hsn93> and he started laughing .. no SS is expensive
20:49:47 <Halcyon> I'm thinking about buying a laptop to replace my desktop PC
20:49:48 <hsn93> it was (senior electronics engineer) .. and it seems they need (DCS system guy) for water transmition line for (districts)
20:50:13 <hsn93> i think desktop cant be replaced with laptops ..
20:50:21 <Halcyon> How so?
20:50:35 <hsn93> idk,, desktop are just comfortable
20:50:45 <hsn93> its static :)
20:50:48 <Halcyon> I would buy a docking station for it. Not actually use it on my desk
20:50:57 <Halcyon> But it would give me the flexibility to take it to work
20:52:12 <hsn93> yeah my collegue have one with monitor, mouse and keyboard .. still its just me with my personal preferance to desktops ..
20:52:43 <hsn93> i had an issue with its usb driver before i dont remember what was it
20:52:58 <hsn93> for sure solvable though
20:53:21 <Halcyon> The model I am looking at is over AUD$4200
20:53:23 <Halcyon> So not cheap
20:53:35 <hsn93> it was not recognizing some usb on his docking station..
20:53:39 <DHess_US> Desktops sure cannot be replaced with laptops when the laptops have chicklet keyboards and glossy screens.
20:54:33 <hsn93> his is (precision 5520)
20:54:58 <Halcyon> DHess_US: I hate glossy screens. Plus as I mentioned, I would be using a docking station anyway with external monitor, keyboard and mouse
20:55:13 <hsn93> so around 4000$ from amazon i can see
20:55:29 <hsn93> damn this thing is expensive
20:56:45 <Halcyon> I'm looking at the Lenovo P1 Gen 2 series
21:01:49 <Halcyon> Once I spec it up to what I want, it'll be closer to $5k (without discounts)
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21:05:31 <hsn93> how much desktop in that spec would cost?
21:05:43 <Halcyon> Not sure
21:05:48 <hsn93> i would buy desktop and the rest (burgers) :P
21:05:52 <hsn93> lots of burgers
21:06:26 <hsn93> good luck u know what u need more than anyone .. :)
21:06:52 <Halcyon> :P
21:07:20 <hsn93> this guy disturbed my mood i cant work
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21:38:35 <K> hello
21:38:47 <Halcyon> Evening K
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21:39:22 <Lemon> hello bois
21:39:25 <Halcyon> :)
21:39:46 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon, did you enjoy your trip? Gallivanting around Europe ? :P
21:40:21 <Lemon> hell yeah dude ! it was really nice, meeting both of those nice peeps and coming home with the car full of gear was something :P
21:43:07 <Halcyon> What did you get?
21:43:24 <hsn93> hello eevblog
21:43:55 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/MZzcTqn whats on the table basically :>
21:44:37 <T3sl4> Lemon: nice
21:45:02 <hsn93> its black pictures
21:45:39 <Lemon> really ? weird, I can see them
21:46:06 <hsn93> agh slow internet
21:46:08 <hsn93> cool
21:46:21 <Lemon> :P
22:08:12 <Lemon> hmm I wonder if I can stack the wavetek 164 on top of te counter/fluke dmm/hp scope without damaging anything
22:11:43 <Lemon> that would allow me to add some more stuff on the desk
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22:15:21 <Ysjoelfir> Hi all
22:15:34 <Lemon> sup sup
22:16:04 <Ysjoelfir> just hat my spoken exam to thew bachelors thesis
22:17:55 <Lemon> how did it go ?
22:18:15 <Ysjoelfir> Well....
22:18:40 <Ysjoelfir> I am now allowed to call myself a "Bachelor of Engineering" with the best grade possible
22:18:52 <Lemon> heyyyy gz dude ! :P
22:19:05 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
22:19:09 <Ysjoelfir> oh
22:19:10 <Ysjoelfir> wait
22:20:02 Nick: Ysjoelfir is now known as Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng
22:20:39 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> xD
22:21:25 <Lemon> :>
22:22:17 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> haaaa,,, I feel so....
22:22:20 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> indifferent.
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23:00:21 <MrMobodies> I have just woken up with what feels like palpatations
23:00:39 <MrMobodies> it is indigestion with acid reflux
23:03:01 <MrMobodies> just read above, wonderful, Ysjoelfir passed the bachelor of engineering with the best possible grade.
23:03:55 <MrMobodies> I felt like the cold was coming back and whether I'd be alive.
23:04:12 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> That sounds not very nice MrMobodies :O Hope you get better soon!
23:04:14 <MrMobodies> but now I am burping it out
23:04:43 <MrMobodies> the hot water is helping, I just had orange juice, and vomitted in the sink
23:05:03 <MrMobodies> sometimes the orange helps but not on this occasion
23:05:06 * Ampera tosses MrMobodies some Pepcid Completes
23:05:30 <Ampera> I almost live on those things
23:05:37 <MrMobodies> thanks pepcid, got to find that
23:06:00 <MrMobodies> I don't think I have any but just read and got to order some to reduce the acid
23:06:41 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> wouldn't it be possible to just eat some chalk?
23:06:46 <Ampera> It's really good, famotodine, magnesium hydroxide, and calcium carbonate
23:07:01 <Ampera> Chalk lasts only for a moment for serious heartburn, this stuff will last much longer
23:07:07 <Ampera> it also comes in a mint flavour
23:07:12 <Ampera> which is delicious
23:07:23 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> But you would lose the great flavour of chalk!
23:07:30 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> which is.. pretty disgusting imho
23:07:34 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't like to each chalk
23:07:43 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> same here+
23:08:36 <Lemon> ho I just got the voltage ref !
23:10:50 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> nice :)
23:11:22 <Lemon> hmmm theres some wago binding posts
23:11:26 <Lemon> how does those open ?
23:11:31 <Lemon> I dont want to break them
23:11:39 <Lemon> theres some white thingies on top
23:13:38 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> photo?
23:13:42 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> usually... push on the things
23:14:00 <Ampera> pepcid completes are chewable powder tablets
23:14:05 <Ampera> but you only need to take one
23:14:07 <Ampera> and they're quite good
23:14:12 <Ampera> kinda like a sweet altoid
23:14:30 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LM399H-10V-Precision-voltage-Reference-Calibrated-LM399/254402062436?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
23:14:37 <Lemon> hmmm it seems to require a lot of force
23:14:42 <Lemon> and they look flimsy :>
23:15:03 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> jep, usually you push to unlock and just shove wires in there
23:15:20 <Lemon> do I really need to push strongly ?
23:15:50 <MrMobodies> https://www.carethy.co.uk/vitamins-supplements/dietisa/gastric-acid-control-20-pastillas?r=84143044&
23:16:10 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> take that power panelmeter I gave you. those need to be pushed (but not from the top, but from the back sideways), too, and you can try those out and see how much force you need - It is quite a bit
23:16:13 <Lemon> damn dude its warping and not moving
23:16:18 <MrMobodies> Oh o pepcid
23:17:14 <Ampera> blech, menthols
23:17:28 <Ampera> https://www.pepcid.com/our-products/pepcid-complete
23:17:33 <Ampera> I get the generic of these in mint flavour
23:18:26 <Lemon> ok I tried on the panelmeter
23:18:36 <Lemon> it requires a lot of force and it doesnt clicks
23:18:37 <Lemon> thats normal ?
23:18:46 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> jep. no clicks
23:18:56 <Lemon> damn
23:18:59 <MrMobodies> I see it on one listing on Ebay
23:19:07 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402056757126
23:19:39 <MrMobodies> might be worth the delivery charge as with many things I can't find selling in the UK
23:20:51 <Ampera> honestly that's not really far from what they cost in the store, but that's why I buy generics
23:21:26 <Ampera> you could also just make your own by taking a famotidine pill, a calcium carbonate pill, and a magnesium hydroxide pill
23:22:24 <MrMobodies> thanks just noted that down
23:23:08 <MrMobodies> as I was reading the pepsid website "Heartburn is often confused with the first symptoms of a heart attack."
23:23:36 <MrMobodies> I find when I lift stuff, I burp and it stops for a while.
23:23:54 <MrMobodies> and the palpations stop
23:24:00 <Ampera> I have frequent heartburn and very occasional reflux
23:24:12 <Ampera> it's not very fun, but I just take those pepcids every so often for it
23:24:30 <MrMobodies> I think mine might be diet related something I ate last night
23:24:53 <Ampera> mine is almost certainly diet related as I eat a lot of salty, fatty, and acidic foods
23:25:28 <MrMobodies> fatty... the crisps and the nuts
23:25:36 <MrMobodies> and lots of milk last night
23:25:51 <MrMobodies> that's why I didn't take any milk this time
23:26:18 <MrMobodies> I have been having lots of crisps at that pub and I think this maybe the cause
23:26:41 <MrMobodies> and nuts
23:27:12 <MrMobodies> oh "fatty..." sorry I wrote something by accident just realised I didn't mean to call anyone fatty.
23:27:24 <MrMobodies> I am in a state of panic
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23:28:30 <Ampera> lol
23:28:33 <Ampera> you're nuts, sir.
23:28:38 <MrMobodies> "Pepcid is used to treat and prevent ulcers in the stomach and intestines." another good thing about Pepcid
23:28:56 <Ampera> I think you're taking heartburn a tad too seriously
23:29:29 <MrMobodies> it is the palpation effect that makes me think I am having a heart attack
23:29:43 <MrMobodies> it could just be air rising from the acid
23:29:56 <Ampera> I don't even know what a palpation is
23:30:04 <MrMobodies> irregular heart beat
23:30:13 <Ampera> how do you know it's irregular?
23:30:23 <MrMobodies> it feels like it is in the same area
23:30:28 <Lemon> so guys, out of the keithley 175, the systron donner 7205 and the fluke 8502a, guess which one is the most accurate ? :>
23:30:42 <MrMobodies> like a clock da dong, dad adong
23:30:56 <MrMobodies> but da dong dang don, Da, da dong da dong
23:31:16 <MrMobodies> maybe i worry too much
23:31:26 <Ampera> I think a good way to tell if you're having a heart attack is if you're able to type to me and you're not on the floor
23:31:30 <Ampera> you're not having a heart attack
23:32:59 <MrMobodies> I suppose that's what happened after Christmas when my blood level dropped with that cold.
23:33:16 <MrMobodies> and I fell unconcious in the bathroom
23:34:06 <MrMobodies> my pulse was low but that was the thing I caught
23:34:06 <Ampera> how old are you?
23:34:10 <MrMobodies> 36
23:34:20 <MrMobodies> I know I sound strange for my age
23:34:43 <Ampera> I mean if you have a heart condition I'd check it out
23:34:53 <Ampera> but over here you go to the hospital only if you absolutely have to.
23:35:11 <Ampera> because even being in the ER for a few hours with insurance is hundreds of dollars.
23:35:23 <Lemon> the systron donner is reading 10.0229, fluke is reading 9.99979, and keithley 10.001 :>
23:35:32 <MrMobodies> In the UK there is the NHS which is paid by national insurance
23:35:37 <MrMobodies> I'll see my GP but I think it is something I ate last night
23:35:43 <MrMobodies> it happened before but not this bad
23:35:48 <Lemon> the ref isnt warm at all
23:36:03 <MrMobodies> and I feel the size of my stomach reducing
23:36:17 <MrMobodies> which is a good sign
23:43:24 <MrMobodies> ooohh lovelly, massive burp stomache gone down..
23:43:48 <MrMobodies> I have been drinking hot water
23:44:25 <MrMobodies> Lemon, three meters, two of which are possiblly out of calibration
23:45:54 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> what does the cal report of the vref say, lemon? :)
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23:56:48 <Lemon> herm, which cal report ? :>
23:57:10 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> Didn't they tell yu that the calibration is included in the price?
23:57:16 <Lemon> its supposed to be 10.00000v, adjusted 1 hour before being sent, thats all xd
23:57:23 <Ysjoelfir_B_of_Eng> oh. ok
23:57:33 <Lemon> no papers at all, I asked him to see if he kept something :>
23:57:41 <Lemon> but its consistent, I knew the systron was out
23:59:21 <Lemon> im letting everybody warm, it was a dry test to see
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