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00:26:53 <Ysjoelfir> Soooo.... just gave the boss a little heart attack. I added 16 new tasks to the bug tracker thing
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02:31:44 <rust_collector> ok, that was todays job.
02:32:21 <rust_collector> that has to have been one of the slowest brake jobs I have ever done, lol
02:43:01 <coppice_> well, as long as you stopped before impact
02:43:51 <rust_collector> impact? no, we have friction, the thing will stop somewhere out in the desert
02:44:11 <rust_collector> good thing it is so flat here
02:44:29 <rust_collector> rolling slowly into the sunset
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04:15:35 <Lemon> hey peeps
04:15:39 <rust_collector> hoi
04:15:44 <Lemon> back from the dentist, I didnt shit myself !
04:15:58 <rust_collector> I am sure the dentist is happy abou tthat
04:16:14 <Lemon> yeah haha she was really good, I felt nothing
04:16:26 <Lemon> even the anesthesia, nothing
04:17:24 <rust_collector> they are like that these days. not like when I was a kid, and the big hairy guy just said that I had to shut up and open wide
04:17:36 <Lemon> yeah my mother told me about that
04:18:27 <rust_collector> did she use the "wand" to inject the painkiller stuff?
04:18:43 <Lemon> yes, I felt literally nothing this time
04:18:44 <rust_collector> They are really neat machines
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04:19:22 <rust_collector> they measure the fluid pressure, so only inject very slowly
04:20:42 <rust_collector> (yes i had my dentist take the cover off the machine)
04:21:09 <rust_collector> he did seem to be pretty nerdy, so I guess he wanted to have a look too
04:22:51 <Spark_Gap> Is there any alternative to crappy MPLAB X?
04:26:14 <Lemon> I want an instantaneous continuity buzzer
04:27:16 <rust_collector> get a buzzer and a battery, and 2 leads?
04:27:41 <Lemon> that would be nice if it can be used safely on a live circuit too :> or anything really
04:27:48 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Martindale-Tek404-testeur-continuit%C3%A9-indication-intensit%C3%A9/dp/B01F56UY0Y/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=martindale+continuity+tester&qid=1581096436&sr=8-1
04:27:51 <rust_collector> or a very very cheap dmm
04:27:52 <Lemon> like those, but too expensive
04:28:01 <Lemon> I saw the testboy 20, but idk if its instantaneous
04:28:05 <Lemon> nah cheap dmm sucks
04:28:08 <Lemon> its slow
04:28:38 <rust_collector> not it is not, if it is, you have a too expensive one
04:28:53 <rust_collector> find a non latching dmm
04:29:05 <Lemon> idk if those standalone testers are fast or not
04:29:23 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Testboy-20-continuit%C3%A9-Acoustique-Allemagne/dp/B002TLW4YI/ref=pd_aw_sbs_328_11?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B002TLW4YI&pd_rd_r=ab7281a1-c520-43b2-8549-c2f067fb3fc7&pd_rd_w=X0QKG&pd_rd_wg=9S1sW&pf_rd_p=acbc774d-f175-4289-8adf-0211d46bb96f&pf_rd_r=HVJDNK1JC1CZY0GKY7VT&psc=1&refRID=HVJDNK1JC1CZY0GKY7VT
04:31:03 <Lemon> it also tests ac voltage without contact, thats a nice thing
04:31:15 <Lemon> that sucks that the dude for the clamp meter isnt responding anymore
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04:49:39 <Lemon> the only banana to banana cables (with females connectors too) in silicone cost like 10 euros a piece
04:49:48 <Lemon> so 20, just for a positive and negative kit
04:50:16 <rust_collector> they do last for some time
05:32:38 <Obri> Hello ;-)
05:38:58 <rust_collector> hi
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05:43:14 <rust_collector> well, he is german, and they are weird like that
05:44:02 <rust_collector> so I do not think you should be too angry about that
05:55:15 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I hate germans
05:55:32 <rust_collector> that is pretty common
05:55:52 <Ysjoelfir> i know, right?
05:55:58 <Ysjoelfir> nobody likes us :(
05:56:04 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, sure, we are nazis
05:56:15 <Ysjoelfir> even our generation, that didn't even exist back then
05:56:18 <Ysjoelfir> but we are nazis
05:56:25 <Ysjoelfir> because we are germans
05:56:30 <rust_collector> I know around 82 million people who hates germans
05:57:14 <Ysjoelfir> I assume they are mostly germans
05:57:56 <rust_collector> no, all of them. I do not keep track of any non germans
06:07:39 <Ysjoelfir> ah
06:07:52 <Ysjoelfir> well, make that 81.999.999
06:07:57 <Ysjoelfir> ~
06:08:28 <rust_collector> yeah, you people are pretty hardcore when it comes to statistics
06:09:20 <Ysjoelfir> we are hardcore in general!
06:10:28 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/Y5pdgyOzJtE?t=55
06:11:04 <rust_collector> sKoo-taah?
06:11:11 <Ysjoelfir> ye-e-e-ah!
06:11:27 <rust_collector> untz untz untz untz
06:11:36 <Ysjoelfir> jep
06:11:41 <Ysjoelfir> the best utz utz ever
06:11:46 <Ysjoelfir> well, one of the best
06:11:53 <rust_collector> yeah
06:14:40 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNAdtkSjSps
06:14:56 <rust_collector> I am not sure, but.. no, I don't know
06:15:44 <Ysjoelfir> I love that song
06:17:21 <rust_collector> great. I am still not sure
06:17:49 <Ysjoelfir> :P
06:19:42 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojixXaEgC4
06:19:50 <Ysjoelfir> I just love how bad his english is
06:20:25 <Ysjoelfir> in dis daak and raini nait, hi cums out of dis shaaaaado
06:20:58 <Ysjoelfir> he wants to finijjj wott he bigann... a sausänd yeeeas aggo!
06:22:01 <Ampera> 2 hours 40 minutes to go
06:22:03 <Ampera> q.q
06:22:20 <Ysjoelfir> shouldn't you be working? :D
06:23:31 <Ampera> QA is a lot of waiting for shit to do things
06:23:40 <Ysjoelfir> true
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06:52:55 <rust_collector> I think I need some swiss or hungarian music now
06:53:07 <rust_collector> maybe some polish later
06:56:57 * Ysjoelfir polishes rust_collector
06:57:08 <rust_collector> shiiiiny!
08:36:04 <Ysjoelfir> I am annoyed
08:36:26 <rust_collector> if you don't stop polishing me, I will be too
08:36:48 * Ysjoelfir stops
08:36:54 * Ysjoelfir is still annoyed
08:36:58 <rust_collector> oooh, shiny
08:37:24 <rust_collector> ok, so... what is annoyifying you?
08:38:26 * Ysjoelfir looks at the shiny rust_collector and is satisfied by his handywork.
08:38:34 <Ysjoelfir> you remember that house we want to rent?
08:38:47 <rust_collector> well, I remember you wanting to, yes
08:38:56 <Ysjoelfir> won't happen.
08:39:01 <rust_collector> mkay
08:39:51 <Ysjoelfir> We talked to the landlord today. nice people. but what the... selling lady thing... how do you call those rich bastards that advertise houses for other people?
08:40:22 <rust_collector> uh, err. yes
08:40:25 <Ysjoelfir> however, what this person didn't tell us was, that the landlord wants to start the rent at april 1st.
08:41:04 <Ysjoelfir> If I would quit out current flat renting now I would still be bound until june
08:41:16 <Ysjoelfir> so I would have to pay three months double rent
08:41:22 <Ysjoelfir> won't happen. can't happen.
08:41:40 <Ysjoelfir> I can't afford to spend 1800€ in rent every month
08:46:00 <Ysjoelfir> I am rather sad... that house would be so nice... cheaper than the current rent, bigger, nice place... and I'm annoyed as well...
08:47:13 <rust_collector> pffffffmmmmmmm, yeah. that is not ideal
08:48:55 <Ysjoelfir> the landlord was like "aaah, in frankfurt there are always people wanting a flat. just ask if you could search for a new person renting the place, maybe you can get out of the contract early!"
08:49:36 <Ysjoelfir> and i think like... erm... no. I won't ask my current landlord if I could do that when I can't guarantee that I will have a new place to stay oO
09:02:51 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:03:04 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
09:05:31 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
09:05:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
09:05:45 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera wrote that he will need some time until he's back
09:06:13 <Ysjoelfir> he wants to go shopping before going home
09:06:20 <Halcyon> Ah right
09:11:07 <Ysjoelfir> oh god damn it... I thought I could blow off some steam by doing a project I intend to do for a long time now, installing a CMS for advertising my small self employment. So i found this small CMS, telling me that "its sooooo easy to install, and we have tons of tutorials!"
09:11:33 <Ysjoelfir> looking at the tutorial section - tons of tutorials. NONE describing how to install that !"§"&"§$$§" thing
09:11:38 <Halcyon> Hehehe
09:11:49 <Ysjoelfir> just a link to damn github that I never understood and potentially never will
09:14:19 <Ysjoelfir> thats so annoying. Why do people always assume that everyone is a great github pro, knowing exactly what to do with that?
09:15:06 <Ysjoelfir> so, the idea to abreact doing something nice actually caused more stress x.x
09:16:11 <steve30> hi Halcyon
09:16:47 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
09:16:54 <Halcyon> I'm about to go get my head rubbed by a twink
09:16:56 <Halcyon> :P
09:16:57 <steve30> Halcyon, I put a Youtube video up
09:16:58 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ_fvKBl-x4
09:17:06 <steve30> ooh, sounds nice :)
09:17:12 <Halcyon> (I'm going for a hair cut and the guy who shampoos and massages is cute)
09:17:36 * steve30 needs a hair cut.
09:17:38 <Halcyon> Oh wow, that is super fucking annoying
09:17:47 <steve30> I think I might get some new electric clippers
09:18:45 <Halcyon> Anyway, better run, back in a few hours.
09:19:22 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, what github thing?
09:20:28 <rust_collector> hah, yes, mr steve30 that is really annoying. Good thing that I have never seen that myself
09:23:58 <Ysjoelfir> its called craft CMS
09:26:16 <steve30> That website was otherwise quite nice to use
09:35:52 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, do you have composer (whatever that is?)
09:36:04 <Ysjoelfir> nope
09:36:12 <rust_collector> great
09:38:39 <rust_collector> well, ok, I can not make too much sense of this, https://docs.craftcms.com/v3/installation.html#step-4-create-a-database
09:39:41 <rust_collector> but I also do not know if I have php7, and if that even matters, lol
09:41:25 <Ysjoelfir> where did you find that documentation? :D
09:41:37 <rust_collector> on github
09:41:48 <rust_collector> RTFM NOOB!!!
09:42:50 <rust_collector> did you download the thing?
09:42:53 <Ysjoelfir> well, I am so confused by github that it goes like that: *clicks link and gets to github* - "oh FFS!" - *closes github and quits*
09:43:03 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't even find any download to download it
09:43:08 <Ysjoelfir> well, now I have
09:43:17 <Ysjoelfir> lets see if i can get it to work
09:43:23 <rust_collector> on the top-ish right, there is a download archive thing
09:43:26 <rust_collector> oh ok
09:44:13 <rust_collector> or you could install git, and use it like it is supposed to, I guess
09:44:23 <rust_collector> but that would be boring
09:45:15 <Ysjoelfir> [23:43:23] <rust_collector> on the top-ish right, there is a download archive thing <-- I just used the download link from the instructions you linked
09:45:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh, by the way... I found replaceable key caps for my keyboard - norwegian version. put that onto my whishlist
09:46:51 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
09:46:55 <rust_collector> weirdo
09:47:17 <rust_collector> and we were just getting used to using qwertz up here
09:48:42 <Ysjoelfir> I would create some kind of hybrid between german, norsk and swiss
09:49:46 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to have the norwegian versions of äöü and the dot on the keypad instead of the comma like the swiss people do
09:52:28 <rust_collector> ok
09:53:00 <rust_collector> I want an us keyboard, because this layout is annoying
09:53:28 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like the US layout
09:53:46 <rust_collector> that is ok
10:02:31 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should make this, just to annoy people here: https://www.rezeptwelt.de/hauptgerichte-mit-gemuese-rezepte/indisches-gemuesecurry-mit-kichererbsen/swisxxwf-42eae-563417-4a364-0xtw6034
10:30:15 <Ysjoelfir> looks nice, but I prefer to use a normal cooking device, not that thermomix thing
10:30:33 <rust_collector> I dunno what that is, so
10:31:10 <rust_collector> I am almost sure the food will be ok if I make it in a bucket over a fire
10:39:33 <Ysjoelfir> a ~1500€ blender that has a heater and a scale integrated
10:39:42 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure it will be even better over fire
10:39:47 <rust_collector> hmm, awesome deal
10:43:32 <rust_collector> the wife bought soap today.
10:43:43 <rust_collector> i am full of happiness now
10:44:20 <rust_collector> it feels like I am clean, not like I am full of cream and butter or something
10:46:17 <Ysjoelfir> xD what did she buy? lano?
10:46:52 <rust_collector> eeh, it was italian, and about 3 times the size of a lano
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10:48:00 <rust_collector> I do not like "shower cream"
10:52:57 <Ysjoelfir> we had actually a pretty hard time finding anything other than lano
10:52:58 <DHess_US> Maybe I won't have hot chocolate. A bug flew into my hot chocolate and drowned. Why you do this God? Why?
10:53:06 <Ysjoelfir> which was ok, I like the smell of lano
10:53:12 <Ysjoelfir> xD
10:53:21 <Ysjoelfir> use a fork and get it out dhess
10:53:54 <rust_collector> or a straw, it will be ok
10:53:56 <DHess_US> It drowned. I couldn't find it.
10:54:09 <Ysjoelfir> use a strainer :)
10:54:26 <rust_collector> if a bug sinks in it, it does not have enough chocolate
10:54:29 <DHess_US> I tried that. Apparently hot chocolate will plug up filter paper.
10:55:01 <rust_collector> strainer and filter seems a bit different
10:55:03 <DHess_US> Also, eating bugs is murder.
10:55:10 <rust_collector> but I am foreigner
10:55:21 <rust_collector> not if they are dead
10:55:28 <DHess_US> For every bug I don't eat, you can eat three.
10:55:35 <rust_collector> and covered in chocolate, lol
10:55:54 <Ysjoelfir> xD
10:56:04 <rust_collector> put it on ebay, someone will want a bug in chocolate
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11:24:43 <DHess_US> Three drive RAID 1+0 ...
11:36:16 <rust_collector> I wonder why the car diagnostics breakout boxes are so expensive
11:37:14 <DHess_US> The readers?
11:37:54 <rust_collector> no, the "adapter box" with banana jacks
11:38:20 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.com/itm/OBDII-Protocol-Detector-BreakOut-Box-Tester-Diagnostic-OBD2-Pinout-Connector-s9/283671843326?hash=item420c28d1fe:g:GY8AAOSwZtRb~a1~
11:40:23 <DHess_US> Lot of parts and manual assembly there.
11:42:01 <rust_collector> that one was the cheapest on ebay. they go up a lot from that one.
11:42:22 <rust_collector> I guess I expect the chinese to make stuff cheaper, in magic ways
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12:17:17 * Ampera electroshocks Halcyon
12:21:42 <Halcyon> I'm back :)
12:21:46 <Halcyon> Hey friend :D
12:26:22 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
12:26:29 * Ampera stabs Halcyon with love
12:26:40 <Ampera> how do Halcyon, I've been working all week
12:26:51 <Halcyon> In FreeBSD there are all these different types of shells I can assign to a user, eg.: csh, sh, tcsh, bash, ksh93, mksh etc...
12:26:57 <Halcyon> What the hell do they all mean?
12:27:20 <rust_collector> they are just different shells, you can do that on loonix too
12:27:31 <Halcyon> There is a nologin option too, but that prevents users from using SFTP
12:27:43 <Ampera> tcsh is the standard FreeBSD shell, being the t version of the csh
12:27:49 <Halcyon> Which one should I pick if I want them to have SFTP access, but not actually be able to login to the box and do anything
12:27:52 <Ampera> with is the C (as in the programming language) shell
12:28:08 <Ampera> you want nologon
12:28:14 <Halcyon> Yeh but that breaks SFTP
12:28:21 <Ampera> then your SFTP config is done poorly
12:28:30 <Halcyon> It's NextCloud
12:28:41 <Ampera> I thought you said it was FreeBSD
12:28:46 <Halcyon> The file server is
12:28:53 <Halcyon> The cloud server is a different machine
12:30:00 <Ampera> I think what you're supposed to do, actually, is pick any shell (doesn't matter which) and then set your ssh config to restrict to the sftp-internal command
12:30:08 <Halcyon> Which makes sense because nologin is no login
12:30:28 <Ampera> ForceCommand internal-sftp
12:30:38 <Ampera> yeah, I think that's for something else
12:30:59 <Halcyon> There is scponly
12:31:03 <Halcyon> What is that?>
12:31:10 <Ampera> uh
12:31:26 <Ampera> https://github.com/scponly/scponly/wiki
12:31:30 <Ampera> another option you might be looking for
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12:31:44 <Halcyon> Ahh yep, that's the one
12:31:52 <Halcyon> Allows SFTP but without interactive access to any shell
12:31:54 <Halcyon> Perfect
12:32:12 <Halcyon> "select scponly to restrict the user’s SSH usage to only the scp and sftp commands"
12:33:05 <Ampera> I presume you're using FreeNAS and not FreeBSD
12:33:16 <Halcyon> Yes FreeNAS
12:33:27 <Halcyon> But it's FreeBSD underneath
12:33:46 <Ampera> so the issue here is FreeBSD means many things
12:34:16 <Ampera> FreeBSD is a kernel, a userland, and a distribution of the previous two
12:34:46 <Ampera> so that's why I'm going to stay getting anal about people with FreeNAS saying their NAS runs FreeBSD, because while that's true, FreeNAS and FreeBSDFreeBSD are two very different things
12:39:09 <Halcyon> Sure, but much of what applied to FreeBSD, applies to FreeNAS
12:39:14 <Halcyon> It's design that way on purpose
12:39:32 <Ampera> no because FreeBSD does not include the scponly shell
12:39:40 <Ampera> and my FreeBSD installation avoids using it
12:39:47 <Halcyon> *shrug* Oh well, I found my answer anyway
12:40:56 <Ampera> In other news Halcyon, I have further developed my plans to implement a new server
12:41:13 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
12:41:14 <Ampera> I'm going to buy a 4 socket Ivy Bridge or newer Intel server, whatever I can find
12:41:18 <Halcyon> Oh also, how was your first week at work?
12:41:23 <Ampera> Was fine
12:41:33 <Halcyon> Do you think you'll stick with it for a while?
12:41:41 <Ampera> If they'll let me
12:42:08 <Ampera> I can say I absolutely will not be staying there, though, not forever
12:45:51 <Halcyon> Did you have a look at that stuff I uploaded?
12:46:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, no but you did it right before I went to work
12:46:34 <Ampera> so I'll have to get that when I have time
12:46:45 <Halcyon> I don't mean the renaming, but have a browse
12:46:55 <Halcyon> It's all technical manuals for all different types of laptops
12:47:58 <Ampera> I have a very strange taste for ancient Eurovision Song Contest songs
12:48:41 <Halcyon> Hah
12:49:28 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf56NqMA3Ow What I'm listening to at the moment
12:49:33 <Ampera> ESC 1970 victor
12:49:49 <Halcyon> I'm watching how apparently you guys glue bits of meat together to make "steaks"
12:49:50 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt9vy4aTi0w
12:49:59 <Halcyon> I never even knew "Meat Glue" was a thing
12:50:00 <Ampera> seen it
12:51:20 <Halcyon> I mean I'm sure it's safe to consume, but the fact they can hide it under the labelling of "flavor" is a bit of a worry
12:51:38 <Ampera> If I like the food I eat I will continue to buy it.
12:51:41 <Ampera> If I don't I will not.
12:51:53 <Ampera> So long I am not dead shortly after I eat it, I don't care what's in my food
12:52:03 <Halcyon> You can do what you like, I'm just saying the difference in food codes is of interest to me
12:52:20 <Ampera> It could be mince hefalump, and I wouldn't care
12:52:35 <Halcyon> I like to know exactly what I put in my body
12:52:51 <Ampera> So you're saying you /don't/ have rape fantasies?
12:53:05 <Halcyon> Only if I'm the raper, not the rape-ee :P
12:53:14 <Ampera> owo
12:53:25 * Halcyon prowls around Ampera's window
12:53:26 <Halcyon> :P
12:53:33 * Ampera grabs the gun
12:53:45 <Halcyon> Pfft, you love it
12:53:51 <Ampera> I do love my gun.
12:54:00 <Halcyon> I mean being raped
12:54:06 <Ampera> I sleep next to it every night
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12:54:16 <Ampera> A. I wouldn't know I never was, B. no
12:54:21 <Ampera> Hi ThunderSqueak, Halcyon says I love being raped
12:54:26 <Ampera> 'parently
12:54:44 <Halcyon> I suppose it's not rape if you're willing
12:55:00 <Ampera> In other news, ThunderSqueak, I heard you lost your job, what happened?
12:55:27 <ThunderSqueak> hmm, too much drama to talk about that has nothing to do with me tbh
12:55:37 <Ampera> well can I at least get a short version?
12:55:40 <ThunderSqueak> no
12:55:53 <ThunderSqueak> they have lawsuits involved that I am staying away from
12:56:07 * Halcyon hugs ThunderSqueak
12:56:09 <Ampera> sounds like a shitstorm
12:56:40 <ThunderSqueak> not a huge deal, just trying to enjoy my birthday today so don twant to even think about that stuff
12:56:52 <Ampera> Oh, happy birthday.
12:56:57 * Halcyon toots
12:57:28 <ThunderSqueak> thanks
12:57:40 <Ampera> anyways back to servers, the 4 socket Xeon machine is intended to be a central Xen hypervisor, with two additional servers based on X5650 tech being storage servers
12:58:08 <Halcyon> I have a spare server which I don't really know what to do with. I was considering trying out XCP-NG
12:58:17 <Ampera> what's that
12:58:31 * Ampera googles
12:58:38 <Halcyon> https://xcp-ng.org/
12:59:31 <Ampera> I'd rather implement my own Xen system, likely with a FreeBSD dom0
13:04:37 <gremlinz> i installed that night
13:05:12 <gremlinz> and forgot one of my 5tb were setup in passthrough, and did xe sr-create and consequently wiped it
13:05:14 <gremlinz> derps
13:06:39 <gremlinz> by install i mean, over the top of the existing xen server installation
13:07:10 <Halcyon> Hah
13:07:17 <Halcyon> Good on ya
13:07:18 <gremlinz> thankfully all it housed was downloads, so no biggie
13:07:25 <Ampera> which is why I'd rather do stuff with tools I know how to use
13:07:28 <Ampera> and that are simple
13:07:38 <gremlinz> yea well don't drink and upgrade servers, you'll fuck up like i did
13:07:45 <gremlinz> it was a brain fart on my part
13:07:56 <Ampera> I will admit I did fuck up a FreeBSD install once
13:08:00 <Ampera> er, upgrade
13:08:02 <gremlinz> but it was 2am in the morning and i was getting antsy to get shit done
13:08:19 <gremlinz> so i could pass out
13:08:24 <Ampera> aye, it was checking all the files in the system to see what it needed to keep and what it needed to marge
13:08:26 <Ampera> *merge
13:08:36 <Ampera> and I was thinking, buh, it's taking ages, probably don't need whatever it's doing
13:08:57 <Ampera> well I lost all accounts, all packages, and anything that didn't just happen to belong
13:12:09 <Halcyon> When I start derping out, I stop
13:12:13 <Halcyon> Otherwise I just break stuff
13:15:22 * Ampera fires a fire at Halcyon
13:15:25 <gremlinz> yea i did dum dum
13:15:50 <Halcyon> gremlinz: Are you running Pure Xen or XCP-NG ?
13:17:51 <gremlinz> not anymore, i pushed xcp-ng over the top last night
13:18:01 <Halcyon> How do you find it?
13:18:14 <Halcyon> I'm currently running Proxmox, I like it, it works, but I like to try different things.
13:18:25 <Halcyon> I refuse to use VMware anymore
13:18:26 <Halcyon> It's just crap
13:19:21 <Ampera> While I'm showing it around, to those who haven't seen, this is what my desktop looks like: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241332720335192076/675525759711838219/Screenshot_143.png
13:19:38 <Halcyon> Pretty
13:19:39 <gremlinz> fine thus far, installation was flawless, it does do a backup, though there's a memory message (possibly an error of some kind) on boot, i need to snap a photo of it then research/debug it
13:23:21 <Halcyon> I might have a play next weekend when I'm back from Canberra
13:24:17 <Ampera> So I've come up with the idea to purchase a GNU/Linux capable smartphone at some point
13:24:33 <Ampera> because it would be nice, I suppose, to have a better phone than my trusty BLU R1 HD
13:24:51 <Ampera> So I recalled the FSF made a christmas list last year and had a GNU phone on it
13:24:59 <Ampera> retarded thing is 750 fucking bucks on preorder
13:25:11 <Ampera> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
13:25:16 <Ampera> and the specs are unbelievable trash
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13:34:24 <Halcyon> Holy shit
13:34:36 <Halcyon> Yeh that's ridiculous
13:39:02 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone Halcyon this one is somewhat more tempting
13:39:14 <Ampera> as it's half-way affordable, but the specs are blech
13:39:40 <Halcyon> Aren't Motorola (Google) phones designed to be "hackable" ?
13:40:45 <Ampera> no clue
13:40:49 <Ampera> don't know too much about any of this
13:41:45 <Ampera> Most of what I care about is: It needs to boot GNU/Linux and/or FreeBSD, it needs to have Xorg drivers, and it needs to be worth the money I put into it
13:43:11 <Halcyon> Jerry is on my head
13:43:14 <Halcyon> He's grooming me
13:51:07 <Ampera> I'm trying to dump a USB stick full of music files from my dad's car
13:51:11 <Ampera> and Linux is pussying out on me
13:51:25 <Ampera> it reads fine for a little while and then the kernel loses its shit and gives up on it
13:51:29 <Ampera> so FreeBSD is getting a go
14:08:08 <Ampera> This is quite strange, even FreeBSD is having trouble
14:08:15 <Ampera> though I'm getting it to work
14:12:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My next video might be titled "The huge environmental cost of cheap product design"
14:14:16 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWX5B6cD4_4
14:14:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, out of curiosity, how much do you pay per kWh?
14:15:07 <Halcyon> About 22c
14:15:26 <Ampera> does that include delivery?
14:15:37 <Halcyon> 91c per day supply charge
14:15:57 <Ampera> including delivery, our power is 0.11 USD/kWh
14:16:14 <Ampera> delivery is based on consumption, without delivery charge it's around 0.06 USD/kWh
14:16:43 <Halcyon> Yeh so a little less
14:16:47 <Ampera> I actually got curiously recently, and found that the upstairs half of the house ended up using 778 kWh last period (a bit under a month)
14:16:59 <Ampera> which I found neat
14:17:15 <Halcyon> But then again, our Government is retarded when it comes to energy, there is so much pressure for wind and solar (which aren't bad things), but retards thing they can rely just on those
14:17:35 <Halcyon> Only now is nuclear being talked about
14:19:16 <Halcyon> In fact, most energy providers have "Green Energy" plans where a certain percentage of your power is guaranteed to come from green sources. Of course it costs more.
14:19:59 <Halcyon> Sorry supply is 84c /day
14:20:10 <Ampera> YOU'RE NOT SORRY
14:20:12 <Ampera> YOU MANIAC
14:20:20 <Halcyon> But I was to switch to 100% Green Energy, it would cost 29.6c/kWh
14:20:26 <Halcyon> *if
14:21:12 <Halcyon> Actually no, it's even more than that, fuck
14:21:34 <Halcyon> 34.63c/kWh for 100% Green Energy
14:21:38 <Halcyon> They can get fucked
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14:23:49 <Ampera> I wish I could get fucked
14:24:03 <Halcyon> You could, now that you're 18, you should try Grindr :P
14:24:14 <Halcyon> It's full of guys just wanting a fuck
14:24:18 <Ampera> but I'm not interested in a gay relationship
14:24:26 <Halcyon> Who said anything about a relationship?
14:24:27 <Ampera> in fact nothing disgusts me more
14:24:43 <Ampera> I'm not interested in a gay ding dong ditch either
14:24:53 <Halcyon> Oh well, find a girl to peg you
14:25:00 <Ampera> peg?
14:25:18 <Ampera> I don't think you understand how heterosexual intercourse works, Halcyon
14:25:23 <Halcyon> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging
14:25:35 <Ampera> right
14:25:36 <Halcyon> Oh I do, it's disgusting :P
14:25:56 <Ampera> anyways, I'm not interested in a heterosexual relationship/hookup either
14:26:14 <Halcyon> Then design a fuck machine. You have the smarts.
14:26:45 <Ampera> I can't even design a fucking REN booster
14:26:53 <Halcyon> Why not?
14:27:06 <Ampera> because I don't know how and am too lazy (now busy) to figure it out
14:27:47 <Halcyon> T3sl4 could design one for you
14:27:54 <Halcyon> He is all kinds of clever too
14:28:03 <Ampera> I'd like to just buy or make one from plans, but the plans I've found are too confusing for my ape brain to decipher
14:28:29 <gremlinz> https://ibb.co/61zNrTc
14:28:29 <Ampera> yeah but I'd have to/want to pay him and the money I would feel is right is more than a commercial unit.
14:28:37 * T3sl4 chucks a dildo in a drill, hands it to Halcyon
14:28:42 <gremlinz> halp
14:28:46 <Halcyon> Don't give it to me, I don't want it
14:29:14 <Ampera> gremlinz, what kernel are you running
14:29:18 <Ampera> hardware and arch is also useful
14:29:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I think what this smooth curve shows is a diagnosis buffer at work. i.e. there are way more cases than reported, & the consistent smooth growth of reported cases comes from the inevitable throughput limit of the detection & reporting system of so many cases/hour. #coronavirus https://t.co/vDKkrT2G4T
14:29:39 <Halcyon> I've seen something similar before and ignored it
14:29:51 <Ampera> It looks like a generic ACPI error and shouldn't hinder anything
14:29:56 <Halcyon> I think my laptop spits up that error but nothing breaks
14:30:04 <Ampera> the problem is likely after that
14:30:12 <Ampera> which is why I ask, arch, kernel version, and hardware
14:33:52 <gremlinz> core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch, Linux 4.19.0+1
14:34:09 <Ampera> so x86-64 and old Linux LTS
14:34:30 <Ampera> er, no not old
14:34:32 <Ampera> nvm
14:34:38 <gremlinz> HP ML10 v2
14:34:39 <Ampera> smells like debian
14:35:30 <Ampera> you can try disabling ACPI in the kernel command line
14:35:33 <Ampera> probably won't do much
14:35:42 <gremlinz> 32gb non-ecc ram and sports an i5 4570
14:35:46 <Ampera> acpi=off in kernel command line
14:36:16 <Ampera> you could also try a most recent kernel using something like an Arch live environment, or try a FreeBSD kernel
14:37:41 <gremlinz> i might try the xcp-ng forums too
14:37:52 <Ampera> oh you're running Xen?
14:37:55 <gremlinz> wasn't there b4 the upgrade
14:37:56 <Ampera> you should have told me that
14:37:58 <Ampera> that's way different
14:38:10 <gremlinz> been talking about it up there ^^ with Halcyon
14:38:11 <Halcyon> Have you checked to see if you have an updated BIOS?
14:38:16 <gremlinz> sorry thought you caughton that
14:38:34 <Ampera> you could always try a BSD dom0 if your Linux dom0 isn't working right, but as far as that, I'm not versed in Xen
14:38:39 <gremlinz> yea just updated bios then, same result
14:39:07 <Ampera> gremlinz, I knew you were talking about it earlier, but when you said it was a Linux kernel I just presumed you were running Linux
14:39:56 <gremlinz> [13:31 localhost ~]# hostnamectl | grep Kernel
14:39:56 <gremlinz> Kernel: Linux 4.19.0+1
14:40:08 <Ampera> gremlinz, this might sound silly, but do you have virtualization enabled in the BIOS
14:40:12 <Ampera> wait, so it's running fine?
14:40:14 <Ampera> what's the problem
14:40:28 <Ampera> also you can do uname -r
14:40:41 <gremlinz> yes i did uname -r to begin with
14:40:50 <Ampera> well you've technically not told me the kernel
14:40:55 <Ampera> you told me a virtualized kernel
14:40:59 <gremlinz> the problem is it stalls for 5-10 on that screen
14:41:06 <Ampera> Yeah that's not a problem.
14:41:11 <Ampera> It's likely booting.
14:41:13 <gremlinz> it bugs me!
14:41:21 <Ampera> In your bootloader, append quiet to your kernel command line
14:41:30 <Ampera> and then loglevel=3 and then keep lowering it until that message goes away
14:41:45 <Ampera> for Xen it's probably different, at least for a dom0
14:42:02 <gremlinz> alrighty then
14:45:13 <Ampera> Anyways I'm going to do a bed
14:45:14 <Ampera> good night
14:45:16 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
14:45:18 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
14:45:19 <Halcyon> :D
14:46:10 <gremlinz> think it's time for lunch
14:46:18 <Halcyon> :)
14:46:21 <Halcyon> I think it's wine time
14:46:31 * gremlinz vomits
14:46:44 <Halcyon> Well you have that, I'll have wine
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