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02:15 <T3sl4> mmm, things
02:41 * Ampera sucks T3sl4's thing
03:00 <T3sl4> ohhh myyy
05:52 <Ampera> I have cats
06:04 <Ampera> They are being cats, right next to me
06:07 <Ampera> Two of em
06:19 * T3sl4 scritches Ampera behind the ear
06:30 <T3sl4> tell them they're both butts
07:28 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/682212047672442933/IMG_20200226_080649.jpg
07:36 <Ampera> They already know
12:59 <hsn93> the wise cat is on the right
13:16 <Ampera> He is.
14:30 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/682213857501904924/IMG_20200226_081353.jpg
14:40 <Ampera> Here's another little troublemaker
15:10 <hsn93> not soo wise like the other one
15:34 <Ampera> No she's the wisest of them all
15:58 <hsn93> u know aaronanimal ?
19:35 <hsn93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=1Ne1hqOXKKI ^<
23:00 <rust_collector> hello eevblaaarrrggggg
23:13 <Ampera> Hullo
23:22 <Ampera> I am in a car on my way to work
23:25 <rust_collector> is the bot dead or something?
23:28 <Ysjoelfir> Helly rusty
23:33 <rust_collector> oh. I just got home
23:47 <Lemon> waddup rusty
23:59 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/682215989357969409/IMG_20200226_081734.jpg
24:18 <Ampera> Eevblog Debug and Status
24:31 <rust_collector> wow, finally a cat that looks like a proper cat
24:34 <Ampera> Eevblog about
24:34 <EEVBlog> EEVBot, programmed by Ampera. Version 2.1
24:42 <Ampera> No it's still here
24:48 <rust_collector> oh well
25:12 <Ampera> I got the flash just right on that one though
25:45 <rust_collector> is it still crawling around and bumping into things?
26:39 <Ampera> The cat or the bot?
27:16 <rust_collector> my phone camera always think it is night, and tries to do some tricks with the flash, but it usually ends up with a yellow picture, or pretty much black
27:21 <rust_collector> I did mean the cat
28:56 <rust_collector> Lemon, what did you get in the mail today?
29:18 <Lemon> nothin ! but I built the pack for the lcr meter
29:24 <Ampera> The cat is crawling around and occasionally broadsides furniture
29:25 <Lemon> well a crude pack, without any bms
30:04 <rust_collector> good flash
30:24 <rust_collector> not many people reflash their cats these days
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44:37 <Lemon> the lcr meter takes 34 seconds to draw 1mv out of the pack
47:01 <Ampera> rust_collector, I want to make sure he's on the latest firmware
47:10 <Ampera> these IoT cats can be a real handful
47:46 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
47:52 <rust_collector> good good. keep the up to date, because if you miss one update, you can get weird results on the next update
51:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats not a scanner, rusty
52:28 <rust_collector> meh, prove it...
52:47 <Lemon> idk yet the minimum voltage the lcr meter needs yet, but if it can runs on 10v minimum, the pack should last approx 22 hours
52:54 <Lemon> which is more than fine
53:19 <rust_collector> If I scan a barcode with a cat... will you accept that, or are you going to deny it is a scanner anyway?
53:55 <rust_collector> Lemon, I guess it depends on which function you use also?
54:03 <Lemon> yeah probably
54:13 <Lemon> but well right now it measures random shit
54:16 <Lemon> so it shouldnt change much
55:01 <Ysjoelfir> Yeah, I would accept that :)
55:31 <rust_collector> I broke down, and got myself a microwave transformer today. I do not know why, but... now I have one of those too
55:39 <rust_collector> Oh yes, magnet
55:40 <Lemon> even if its 15 hours, well I wont use it for hours long
55:43 <Ysjoelfir> but keep in mind that CatOS is, besides having some hiccups for a few minutes every day, pretty stable.
55:54 <Lemon> you got the magnet out of the magnetron ?
55:57 <Lemon> take care about those
56:04 <Lemon> theres some berylium inside
56:09 <rust_collector> it is Ampera he probably runs his cat on netbsd
56:39 <rust_collector> le, no, there is not, and no, I am going to use the transformer itself as an electromagnet
56:44 <Ampera> no I do FreeBSD for cats
56:51 <Lemon> ha I see
57:01 <Lemon> those are bigass transfos
57:04 <Lemon> theres a nice cap too
57:06 <Lemon> and a diode
57:11 <Lemon> some micro rupters too
57:24 <Lemon> relays too I think
57:25 <rust_collector> I thought it was an oddly small transformer
58:16 <rust_collector> I guess they push them pretty hard
58:53 <rust_collector> there was 2 more ovens there, I might look at them tomorrow
59:49 <rust_collector> and there was a large pile of network switches, and some switch-like device, with molex connectors?
59:53 <Ampera> db server that which runs all the testing sites is down
00:16 <rust_collector> good times at work
00:35 <Ysjoelfir> I am thinking about how much money I can expect when talking with my boss in a few days, when I have my degree certificate...
00:48 <Ysjoelfir> The numbers I find on the net are varying widely
01:31 <rust_collector> my education gave me nothing. it has noting to do with what I am doing, so that makes sense
02:18 <Ysjoelfir> some say that an Electronics B.Eng. gets no more than 36.000€/a, while others say that a B.Eng. can get (with experience, which I have) up to 65.000€/a. I am... irritated.
02:33 <rust_collector> but, you will probably get as much as the boss likes you....
02:42 <Ampera> looks like everything's eaten shit
02:51 <Ysjoelfir> My education doesn't help me either in regards of knowledge... I did that only for the higher pay.
05:53 <rust_collector> knowledge is not a good thing in my job. the less of it you have, the more likely you are to keep the job, and probably get promoted, if you are too useless
08:22 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds strangely familiar
12:51 <Ampera> Now the question is will my ibook last an entire meeting
14:38 <rust_collector> that would depend on your anger management skills?
17:28 <Ampera> rust_collector, no the battery
18:30 <rust_collector> you can have all the battery in the world... if you smash the thing, it will not last long
19:18 <rust_collector> grab the cars battery...
25:46 <Ysjoelfir> or even better, the car
34:02 <Lemon> I wonder if I charge the 3s pack without balancing it, if it will stay somewhat balanced
34:11 <Lemon> as all three cells are at like 1-2mv max
34:58 <Ysjoelfir> They will, at least until one cell starts to degrade ;)
35:10 <rust_collector> try it and see how it goes, over some time
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35:33 <Lemon> yeah thats what im going to do
35:51 <Lemon> am gonna take the trusty fluke 101 with me to see
36:06 <rust_collector> where are you going?
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52:29 <Lemon> to the charger, no outlets left here
52:37 <Lemon> well it seems its not unbalancing much
52:41 <Lemon> its fine for my usage
53:13 <rust_collector> probably. just keep an eye on it now and then
53:45 <Lemon> yeah
01:33 <Lemon> alright taped and secure
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06:16 <Ysjoelfir> wow... looking through job adverts for engineers.
06:57 <Ysjoelfir> "We are building a 1S75P battery pack using 18650 3.7V cells and need to have a balancer designed and built for the battery pack."
08:24 <rust_collector> being almost european, I think it is time for a nap
09:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great idea. So you come over and continue my work while I take a nap`?
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28:44 <coppice_> if you're advertising for a balancer, expect a lot of applications from circus acts
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33:58 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :D
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12:12 <Lemon> wats poppin p33ps
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26:46 <Ysjoelfir> hi
27:07 <Lemon> sup :>
27:21 <Ysjoelfir> pizza soon.
27:29 <Lemon> heh great :>
29:22 <Lemon> so the dude with test leads sent it yesterday, and it got today for pickup (just saw the notification late, np)
29:39 <Lemon> so for insignificant stuff its blazing fast
29:51 <Lemon> but for important stuff it takes a full week and it breaks during transport :>
30:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
31:13 <Lemon> well thats something :>
31:22 <Lemon> I just miss croco clips, to clip on banana males
31:54 <Lemon> the ones I bought with some leads on aliexpress got sent 14 days late...
34:25 <Lemon> I realized that I need to make two packs for the Vref
34:28 <Lemon> orrrr hmmm
34:45 <Lemon> I could just plug it to a supply while the pack is being charged
34:54 <Lemon> so its never off
35:30 <Ysjoelfir> btw... does it incidentally fit into that golden case?
35:49 <Lemon> I think it should fit actually yes
36:01 <Lemon> its pretty small
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36:31 <Lemon> or I could see if it fits in one of those other boxes
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40:59 <Lemon> the stack on the right of my desk is so heavy that I can use on of the handles at the front of a device to push me or pull me on the rolling chair :>
42:35 <Ysjoelfir> lol
43:50 <Lemon> id say theres a good 45-50kg
06:46 <Lemon> so im trying do display a waveform with the wavetek on the hp 54201d
06:50 <Lemon> but its the hardest thing ever
06:53 <Lemon> someone send help please
07:23 * Ysjoelfir sends some help on the way to le cirtoen
07:45 <Lemon> tanks
07:51 <Lemon> I get something but it looksl ike noise
09:05 <rust_collector> mmmm noise!
09:23 <Lemon> ho thats weird I just noticed the display is wobbling a bit
12:11 <rust_collector> you did short the power pins when you hauled that thing home, right?
12:49 <rust_collector> oh, lasagna
13:08 <rust_collector> that is acceptable for breakfast
13:46 <Lemon> shorted the power pins ?
14:58 <rust_collector> yeah, the wall plug
15:45 <Lemon> why that ?
15:52 <Lemon> I don't get it
16:05 <rust_collector> good, because it is just bullshit
17:04 <Lemon> alright xd im tired dude please my brain is already melting with this scope
17:09 <Lemon> its so complicated
17:36 <rust_collector> does it have an "auto" button?
20:21 <Lemon> theres an auto scale, but it says execution not possible
20:26 <Lemon> im not even getting noise now :>
21:50 <Lemon> I do get something on my tek, so the generator is not the problem
31:07 <Lemon> gahhh
31:10 <Lemon> I dont know
31:34 <rust_collector> no, but figure it out
31:50 <rust_collector> what does it look like on the tek?
32:18 <Lemon> a regular sinewave :>
32:20 <Lemon> I just get nothing
32:26 <Lemon> not even the noise I had before
32:35 <Lemon> im trying to mess up with some shit but man its so complicated
34:32 <rust_collector> and it is not "outside the screen"?
34:49 <Lemon> I guess it is but good luck to move the waveform
34:56 <Lemon> im reading the manual :> https://www.qsl.net/n9zia//test/HP54201AD_Operating_Manual.pdf
35:00 <Lemon> here it is if you want some fun
39:47 <rust_collector> I am a simple person, I like knobs
40:09 <Lemon> me too
40:17 <Lemon> ho dude the autoscale worked but it said no signal
40:21 <Lemon> wtf seriously
40:47 <rust_collector> you did hit the run button?
41:56 <Lemon> I tried it its not on stop
42:11 <rust_collector> ok
42:41 <rust_collector> 2 weeks or so ago, I jumped in a forklift, and the damn thing did not want to start
43:12 <rust_collector> I tried putting in neutral, set handbrake, bounced in the seat...
43:19 <rust_collector> well, it was electric
43:20 <mamalala> haha
43:28 <mamalala> someone is having fun with that scope :P
43:35 <Lemon> help meeeeeeeeeee
43:39 <mamalala> keep in mind that only channel 2 is working properly
43:48 <Lemon> I fiddled around, and Im not even getting anything now !!
43:51 <Lemon> yeah im on input 2
43:58 <Lemon> feeding it a sinewave from a gen
44:02 <Lemon> which is working I tested it
44:09 <Lemon> it says 'no signal found'
44:16 <Lemon> even if I just plug a probe and touch it like you did
44:43 <mamalala> what screen do you have? the one with the four "windows", or just single channel 2?
45:07 <mamalala> because, whatever you press on the buttons is acting only on whatever "window" you have selected on the screen :P
45:39 <Lemon> yeah I figured that, I just got the channel two window ! but wait I tried those self tests earlier
45:40 <mamalala> but rest assured, after a few months of constant use you will get somewhat used to it ... haha
45:42 <Lemon> and I abborted one
45:47 <Lemon> so that might be the problem
45:55 <Lemon> I'll do the calibration one and let it finish to see
46:17 <mamalala> that scope sure is fun ... can drive anyone nuts in no time at all
46:23 <Lemon> maybe I fucked up something
46:29 <Lemon> yeahhhh xd
46:33 <Lemon> maybe that channel one is working !
46:39 <Lemon> who knows what happened x)
46:54 <Lemon> im letting it do the calibration
47:10 <Lemon> the other test passed fine
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48:23 <mamalala> i mean, heck, i used that thing for years... and had trouble showing you the basic operation, because i didn't use it in the past 5 or 6 years or so
48:42 <Lemon> yeah even peeps on forums were saying you need to go to hp high school xd
48:56 <mamalala> that thing is meant for masochists
49:03 <mamalala> ... designed by sadists :P
49:09 <Lemon> true that :P
49:14 <Lemon> have you noticed the screen wobbling ?
49:18 <Lemon> its really slight
49:34 <Lemon> thats somewhat fun
49:37 <mamalala> it's probably because you have it stacked on top of other gear with big transformers
50:00 <mamalala> never had that effect before... but then, never had it stacked on top of other gear either
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50:33 <Lemon> hmmmm all are off now thats strange
50:42 <Lemon> haa
50:52 <Lemon> failed chan 1 offset cal and chan 1 gan cal, so yeah
50:59 <Lemon> lets see if I get anything on chan 2 now
51:13 <Lemon> passed chan 1 hysteresis cal
51:42 <Lemon> ha theres my workstation screen next to it
51:46 <Lemon> maybe thats the problem
51:53 <Lemon> but my other scope isnt wobbling, well
51:58 <Lemon> its no big deal
52:02 <Lemon> passed chan 1 trigger cal
52:24 <Lemon> brb im taking a smoke
52:57 <Ysjoelfir> guys, I need your help
53:13 <rust_collector> TA ta DAAAAAA!
53:15 <mamalala> with what?
54:29 <rust_collector> you need google play cards?
54:38 <Ysjoelfir> right now I try to create the website for my sidebusiness/self employment. I can't think of a good slogan/phrase that the website template wants to have
54:56 <mamalala> "Leave it to the Kraut!"
55:16 <rust_collector> what are you supposed to do?
55:33 <Ysjoelfir> Like that -> http://pdi.engineering ... The "A sample site" will be replaced with the PDI.Engineering, but what should I replace the amazing payoff with? :D
56:04 <Ysjoelfir> engineering work. Schematic and PCB design, creating prototypes,... stuff like that
56:29 <Ysjoelfir> If I wouldn't make it a serious business I would love to use the slogan mamalala suggested xD
57:17 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: so... had any time to sift through all these old radio carcasses? :P
58:24 <rust_collector> I think that would work, you just have to get known as the kraut, in that world
00:41 <rust_collector> and, I think you should leave the "about us" section like it is
02:27 <Ysjoelfir> Hmm.... would you think that that's a good idea? I personally would find it... funny? don't know?
02:29 <Ampera> did someone say kraut?
02:43 <Ysjoelfir> Half-Krauts don't count. ;P
02:57 <Ampera> I am fully kraut by citizenship
03:20 <Ampera> don't appropriate my sour cabbage status
03:27 <Ysjoelfir> xD
03:50 <Ysjoelfir> So mr. sour cabbage... what would you say?
04:28 <rust_collector> no, you fix it yourself, you cheap bastard
04:38 <rust_collector> that gives them an idea
04:49 <Ysjoelfir> xD
05:51 <rust_collector> I like the slogan TNT has. "yes we can....." with an underscored can
06:16 <rust_collector> sure they can, but maybe we just don't feel like it today?
10:39 <Ysjoelfir> :D nice
10:50 <Ysjoelfir> I actually think about using the kraut thing...
11:24 <rust_collector> websites are hard
11:43 <mamalala> "German engineering - We do it big scale"
11:53 <mamalala> :P
11:57 <Lemon> haaaaa
11:59 <Lemon> I got a signal !
12:02 <Lemon> finally
12:23 <mamalala> sorry... had some beers... otherwise i couldn't cope with all that spreadsheet crap i have to do right now
12:25 <rust_collector> make your call, before it goes away
17:32 <Lemon> well it seems that auto-cal fixed it
18:06 <Lemon> failed chan 1 offset cal and chan 1 gan cal
18:12 <Lemon> I need to look into that
18:57 <mamalala> Lemon: yea, as said, chan 1 is broken ... dunno if that scope has offset and gain in a frontend, or if it is integrated in that nasty, custom chip
19:30 <Lemon> I'll dig the net about it :>
19:31 <mamalala> never looked into it, just groaned to myself and used only chan 2
20:02 <Lemon> its basically the same as the 54201A version, with the logic analyzer option
20:07 <Lemon> so spares might be obtainable
20:12 <Lemon> but yeah, I rarely use two channels honestly
20:46 <mamalala> well, for now you might not ... but believe me, once you used several channels at once, you don't want to go back to just a single channel
21:02 <Lemon> yeah thats true !
21:04 <mamalala> having the proper timing relation between several channels is invaluable to have
21:16 <Lemon> well at least I have my other tek, and the handheld tek too :P
21:40 <Lemon> I can't say that I don't have any tools to work with, for a beginner like me x)
21:59 <mamalala> look at that guy ... multi scopes, like a boss ... but driving a half dead ford ... what a cheapskate ... haha
22:16 <Lemon> haha ofc !!
22:24 <Lemon> speaking of the ford
22:24 <Ysjoelfir> http://pdi.engineering
22:31 <Ysjoelfir> I think that looks actually realy good xD
22:45 <Lemon> ive got to do the annual check AND new papers for it, as it was at my fathers...
22:55 <Lemon> speaking of that, 3k euros in the drain for the succession...
22:59 <Lemon> they are really vampires
23:00 <rust_collector> it does look about right
23:13 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: i just hopr that that pcb image is one you took of your own designs
23:19 <mamalala> *hope
23:41 <Lemon> Comprehensum, quod cognitum non habet?
23:47 <Lemon> I do comprehensum yes
23:52 <rust_collector> No, he did design the iphone 95
24:28 <mamalala> the only latin i know is the expansion of the german word for marriage, "Ehe" ... and that is "Errare humanum est"
25:28 <Ysjoelfir> It is, mamalala. It's an addon board for a Soundcard.
25:39 <Ysjoelfir> Those latin texts are just fillers :)
25:46 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, but is it yours?
26:05 <mamalala> i mean, your design
27:00 <Ysjoelfir> Yes. Admittedly, I copied a part of that board so that it is compatible to the bracket, but I made it
27:00 <rust_collector> http://nietzsche-ipsum.com/
27:29 <mamalala> because i find it highly irritating if websites use stock photos for such stuff, even though they are supposed to actually do that stuff ... as if they are ashamed of their own work
28:39 <Lemon> ok so I did some selftest, cpu/memory seems fine, on aquisition/trigger it shows : FAILED chan1 test RT/RR, same for chan2, failed state pod test 7. sequence test. qual/clk test. restart test. bit fault test
28:47 <Lemon> quite a lot of failed stuff dayum xd
29:17 <mamalala> not sure, but i think the pods need to be connected maybe?
29:25 <Ysjoelfir> haha, yes, I absolutela hate that... which is why I took the photo and used one of my things. But I want to exchange it with a bord that uses the color scheme I use nowadays. OR: get a rotating... banner... thing, so that it can show more things I do, like one picture of a schematic, one of a layout, one of a finished PCB,...
29:38 <Lemon> yes maybe but for the other one I have no idea !
30:14 <rust_collector> no no nooooo, ONE pic, or at least make them click to scroll thru the pics. no auto anything
30:47 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: rotating banners only work with a MARQUEE style text!!!
31:05 <mamalala> (and i mean rotating in the literal sense!)
31:20 <rust_collector> spinning pics
31:33 <rust_collector> of a cat...
31:52 <rust_collector> every minute or so, cat spins across the screen
33:17 <rust_collector> Time to open the kimono. Ensure to follow requirements when developing solutions please use "solutionise" instead of solution ideas! :) for future-proof nail jelly to the hothouse wall marketing computer development html roi feedback team website workflow ecosystem. Customer centric work flows
33:42 <Ysjoelfir> dafak did i just read
33:57 <rust_collector> office ipsum
34:57 <rust_collector> Oh, make a line at the bottom, with a rainbow
35:15 <Ysjoelfir> `but I'm not gay?
35:22 <rust_collector> then if someone clicks it, you get nyan cat
35:29 <Ysjoelfir> lol
35:44 <Ysjoelfir> I like nyan cat, but... nah. I want to stay a bit serious^^
37:06 <rust_collector> one of my favourite things, when the pc was hooked up to to the tv. put on nyan cat 35 million days, and turn off the tv screen, go to work
37:47 <Ysjoelfir> lol
38:28 <mamalala> btw... for those interrested: http://atelier-klippel.de/me.html
39:06 <Ysjoelfir> I like the beer!
39:07 <mamalala> "I want to stay a bit serious"... said the guy who put "Leave it to the Kraut" on his page :P
39:55 <Ysjoelfir> I actually have an idea with that^^
40:05 <Ysjoelfir> you know our good old "made in germany" thing?
40:19 <Ysjoelfir> I want to reference that somehow :)
40:32 <mamalala> hehe
41:01 <mamalala> "Leave it to the Kraut - Made in Germany"
41:12 <Ysjoelfir> well, maybe not like that ;)
41:34 <Ysjoelfir> more like "if you leave it to the kraut you can expect quality made in germany" or something like that
41:53 <Lemon> hey mamalala, how do you connect them pods ?
41:59 <Lemon> do I need to unscrew that plate at the back ?
42:10 <mamalala> Lemon: yes
42:23 <Lemon> better turn it off first I guess ?
43:23 <mamalala> obviously
43:42 <mamalala> but be aware that i never used/connected the pods...
45:08 <Lemon> no problems :> its just to see if tests pass
46:35 <rust_collector> I think I will go get some more lasagna
51:10 <Lemon> fiou theres some inhabitants in there :p
51:18 <Lemon> well all pod test passed !!
51:43 <Lemon> only thing that doesnt work is those chan 1/chan2 test RT/RR, which comes from the analog board according to the service manual
51:54 <rust_collector> ok, what is a pod anyway?
52:16 <Lemon> its those thingies used to connect probes for logic board analyzing
52:32 <rust_collector> mmkay
56:03 <Lemon> I could try to reseat the analog board
56:22 <Lemon> but its starting to be some unkown and never done before stuff for me
58:22 <rust_collector> well, I have a feeling that one has a board you might be able to plug in and yank out. not like the old things, with 300 wires and resistors and pot shafts and stuff to remove first
59:02 <Lemon> yeah seems its made like this
07:14 <Lemon> after trying another self test, now its only the chan 1 thats failing, as its supposed to be
10:26 <rust_collector> heh
10:54 <rust_collector> you can get one of these, to make you feel better: https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=171223864
13:02 <Lemon> nah im stopping for a bit the aquisition time
13:17 <rust_collector> wow
13:19 <Lemon> the budget is done :>
13:31 <Lemon> if I want more stuff I need to sell the laptop/desktop
13:51 <rust_collector> I think I have heard about that... some time ago?
14:12 <MrMobodies> Hello
14:12 <Lemon> and as much as I love those analog devices, I have already a few (+ a box full of them that I need to fix) I'd prefer to get other things :>
14:26 <Lemon> like an electrometer, or the 18ghz plugin for the counter, etc
14:27 <Lemon> hello boi
14:42 <MrMobodies> shouldn't sell your laptop/desktop
14:57 <rust_collector> no, you should give it to MrMobodies
15:10 <rust_collector> he can make you dinner in return
15:13 <MrMobodies> oh jokey
15:35 <rust_collector> do you think he should rent it out?
15:46 <MrMobodies> he could rent out his skills
16:04 <MrMobodies> in soldering and repairng boards
16:40 <MrMobodies> nothing better than someone who is interested and enthusiastic in what they do
16:52 <rust_collector> Lemon, do you do any gaming?
23:30 <MrMobodies> I use to only play one game, and that was Unrealtournament the one that came out in 1999.
27:28 <Lemon> im not gaming anymore no
27:49 <Lemon> and the laptop im selling is not used anymore, same for the desktop
31:58 <MrMobodies> what do you use for this IRC?
33:03 <MrMobodies> Oh sorry, silly me, most likely a phone or maybe a tablet
33:19 <Lemon> no, anotther desktop :>
33:28 <Lemon> a workstation I built end of last year
35:51 <Lemon> lets build the battery pack for the Vref
35:52 <MrMobodies> oh wonderful so you have got stuff to sell
36:00 <Lemon> gotta find some close in voltage cells first
36:13 <Lemon> with mah beautiful fluke 8502a <3333
36:33 <Lemon> im so happy about the new gear !
43:47 <MrMobodies> That looks really good
43:48 <MrMobodies> https://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu/images/be49/b5bd/3949_6646623050/s-l1600.jpg
44:01 <MrMobodies> rack mounted as well
46:28 <MrMobodies> something about those knobs
46:29 <MrMobodies> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mrwAAOSwK0pbvO62/s-l1600.jpg
46:45 <MrMobodies> reminds me of the smell of peculating coffee
47:01 <MrMobodies> and coffee cakes
47:35 <rust_collector> ok, have fun. I am going back into hibernation
48:50 <Lemon> hah mine got the same sticker marks :>
48:52 <Lemon> well, shadows
48:55 <Lemon> night rust !
49:09 <Lemon> I found 4 cells that are +- 2mv within each others, good enough
49:15 <MrMobodies> oh hibernation
49:21 <rust_collector> night
49:31 <MrMobodies> what type of cells? does it use
49:35 <MrMobodies> nigthy
49:45 <Lemon> ho I'll use 18650, I have a lot of them
49:59 <Lemon> I need 14-16v for a Vref, so 4 of them will be fine
51:29 <Lemon> btw mrmobodies, heres what I brought back from germany this weekend https://imgur.com/a/MZzcTqn
51:39 <Lemon> whats on the table, first picture :>
51:50 <Lemon> from ysjoelfir and mamalala
52:20 <Ysjoelfir> he even drove to REWE to steal that red basket!!! :P
52:30 <MrMobodies> Like your stuff I see you are kitted up
52:41 <MrMobodies> All nice and neat there plenty of room
53:36 <Lemon> haha ! el famoso red basket :P
53:43 <MrMobodies> blob:https://imgur.com/caa640bc-9859-48bc-bc41-ba7c473a4f54
53:44 <MrMobodies> oops
53:44 <Lemon> and the lidl bag too !
53:48 <mamalala> except for the tiny kitty scratchers he has :P
53:52 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/8Nh25Hb.jpg
53:58 <MrMobodies> is that monitor a packard bell?
54:12 <MrMobodies> the crt in the back highlighted
54:15 <Lemon> an old sony flat crt :>
54:25 <Lemon> yeah but its no game mamalala you got the biggest ever :P
54:28 <MrMobodies> oh no wonder it still still works
55:27 <Lemon> and yeah we have 17 cats there
56:19 <MrMobodies> I see you got a cat
56:22 <MrMobodies> oh
56:30 <MrMobodies> I didn't see it at first in the picture
57:00 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, I have used that series. The style is very 80s.
57:42 <DHess_US> They are comparable to the HP equivalents of the time which came in the same form factor. I prefer the Fluke LED display to the HP LCD though.
58:02 <DHess_US> Everything was an option on those. RMS, AC, ohms, whatever.
58:23 <Lemon> gladly, I got almost all options !
58:24 <MrMobodies> option? put the addons in them?
58:29 <MrMobodies> I see
58:36 <Lemon> I miss only one, the dreaded cal-mem :PP
58:42 <DHess_US> Things like ohms and current were options.
58:46 <Lemon> but its one of my mission, I need to find it !
00:05 <MrMobodies> I see you've got an oven in there too
00:21 <MrMobodies> you heat boards up in there?
01:18 <Lemon> nope only us, and a few meals :P
01:59 <MrMobodies> oh, there is a thing in that red box that looks like a control of a Weller soldering iron
02:12 <MrMobodies> near a volt meter
02:42 <Lemon> its a powermeter !
02:53 <Lemon> that also shows volts, amps and phase if im right
03:01 <MrMobodies> oh I see it has terminals on the side as I brightened the picture
03:27 <MrMobodies> it looks a bit at first to me like one the Multi functions ones with the solder sucker
04:31 <MrMobodies> Just noticed above 17 cats?
04:50 <Lemon> yes :> and a doggo !
06:33 <MrMobodies> Does your dog stand up and watch every thing you do with especially with the equipment?
06:58 <MrMobodies> I like it when they do that
08:19 <Lemon> hooo not this one, only thing for what he wakes up is food
08:37 <Lemon> or to raid nearby trashbags
09:06 <Lemon> he;s 14.5 y/o :>
10:50 <MrMobodies> Quite a lot to feed though
11:15 <MrMobodies> maybe there a lots of prey out there
11:30 <MrMobodies> oops i mean the cats
14:21 <MrMobodies> I don't have many cats around my area, just some that visit in the night and activate the floodlight outside
14:53 <MrMobodies> there is one at the pub but you don't pet it or it bites
15:57 <Lemon> if you count all the food + eventual meds, thats approx 400 euros per month
17:10 <Lemon> 15.62267v
17:13 <MrMobodies> the company is very nice with the cats
17:25 <Lemon> ok im pasting that down, starting time of the battery powering the vref
17:31 <MrMobodies> 8 digit count
17:38 <Lemon> 6.5 :>
18:31 <Lemon> I'll see the state of the battery tommorow to evaluate the consumption
18:31 * Ysjoelfir moves his body to bed.
18:35 <Ysjoelfir> have a good night all
18:43 <Lemon> but looking at it it looks like 60-80ma
18:45 <Lemon> night dude
18:48 <MrMobodies> nighty
19:00 <MrMobodies> 60- 80 ma an hour?
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20:35 <Lemon> yeaha close to that
20:48 <Lemon> but its warming up
20:55 <Lemon> it should eat less soon I think
21:03 <Lemon> its not in the best environnement as theres no enclosures
21:13 <Lemon> but its to get a rough estimation of the worst case
22:27 <MrMobodies> battery pack totals to something like 16v?
24:56 <MrMobodies> So 4 or so 18650 cells 3000 mah, 3000/80 37.5 hours
25:29 <MrMobodies> and you'd put in the balancer for the batteries to charge in there
29:40 <MrMobodies> just seeing Thunderfoots recent video
29:43 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tpsoWx7xmY
30:19 <MrMobodies> I notice she seems to smile in there a lot
35:18 <Lemon> ho I wont use a balance board
35:34 <Lemon> for such small packs if you monitor them and if they are from the same batch, and well matched
35:37 <Lemon> its fine
35:47 <Lemon> sometimes you need to drain a cell a bit and go
36:11 <Lemon> but well idk if I'll have the patience to charge the pack every day as it will be on 24/7
36:16 <Lemon> I might just use it from time to time
36:21 <MrMobodies> I got a power bank with 8 of them in there
36:32 <MrMobodies> I don't trust it to charge them I use a Skyrc MC 3000 charger
36:38 <MrMobodies> to cycle them
36:49 <Lemon> yeah im using a fairly decent charger
36:51 <MrMobodies> what is unique about this power bank, it has a DC out
37:02 <MrMobodies> and you can adjust between 0.1v to 24v
37:10 <MrMobodies> but I just use it for 12v stuff
37:21 <Lemon> thats neat I might build one later
37:27 <MrMobodies> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32485864933.html
37:35 <MrMobodies> maybe you can build a bigger better one
37:38 <Lemon> I have like, 45 cells left or something
37:42 <Lemon> besides some that I salvaged
38:05 <MrMobodies> it would be nice and make the voltage controls in such a way that can't easily be changed
38:20 <MrMobodies> I mean accidentally adjusted
39:31 <Lemon> yeah I'll see
39:35 <MrMobodies> with all those cells, different states how would you wire them up
40:01 <MrMobodies> parallel with a regulator controller for each one?
40:11 <MrMobodies> so you can charge them too
40:26 <MrMobodies> but that would be ideal
40:39 <MrMobodies> ah no sorry, voltage maybe too low
41:35 <Lemon> probably like a 6s something p pack
41:43 <Lemon> to have a 24v ouput
41:50 <Lemon> and a step down board
42:00 <MrMobodies> by finding the matching ones and pair them
42:09 <Lemon> ho I'll use a bms this time
42:17 <Lemon> thats better for a big pack
42:18 <MrMobodies> bms?
42:25 <Lemon> battery management system
43:23 <MrMobodies> once it is being built maybe some Quickcharging usb outputs could be handy
47:11 <Lemon> yeah
47:22 <Lemon> I have a few things that need to be done first, like building a nice box for a variac
49:08 <MrMobodies> I would be looking forward to some pictures on that power bank
50:48 <Lemon> ho for sure !
50:58 <Lemon> but for now, I got to sleep :>
51:06 <Lemon> my eyes are closing
51:14 <Lemon> we'll see tommorow how much that Vref consumed
52:11 <Lemon> it used approx 58mv in 35 minutes
52:20 <Lemon> well, see you tommorow maybe !
52:27 <Lemon> night :>
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53:00 <MrMobodies> night
53:05 <MrMobodies> oh
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02:57 <DHess_US> *headdesk* Just took the checksum of a checksum file.
05:41 <mamalala> DHess_US: can't hurt to double check things :P
06:20 <DHess_US> Interestingly enough the two checksum files of the same content have different checksums.
06:43 <mamalala> ?
07:08 <mamalala> the checksum of the checksum file wouldn't be "files of the same content"
07:26 <mamalala> compared to the checksum of the original file, that is
07:40 <DHess_US> Verifying that a new RAID is working correctly. Copied 1.2TB over to it., checksummed both volumes, swapped checksum files, and am now checking the checksums.
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08:54 <mamalala> that assumes that both volumes are an exact byte copy, volume-wise... and that no changes have occured between checks ...
09:39 <mamalala> just copying files between volumes will surely result in different checksums
10:29 <DHess_US> That should be exactly the case.
10:44 <DHess_US> Each volume should have an identical set of files now.
11:00 <mamalala> also, if you check the volumes as such (on linux, for example /dev/md0 against /dev/md1), you probably will get different checksums anyways, since that includes raid info stored in that volume which is otherwise not visible to the file system
11:06 <DHess_US> Looks like what happened is when I made the checksums for each volume, the program did the files in different orders.
11:24 <DHess_US> No, this was at the file level.
11:29 <mamalala> ah, ok ...
11:48 <mamalala> but you didn't store the checksum file on said volume then, did you?
11:51 <DHess_US> If I grab the properties of everything, the byte counts, folder counts, and file counts match exactly.
12:09 <DHess_US> I did, but the checksum program doesn't checksum the file it is making.
12:18 <DHess_US> That would be silly.
12:37 <mamalala> does the checksum tool you use take other information in as well, besides the raw content of the file? like creation date, last modified date, etc?
12:45 <DHess_US> For technical reasons it has to make the file with the list of checksums on the drive or the parent directly.
12:47 <DHess_US> directory
12:55 <DHess_US> Nope
13:26 <DHess_US> If I tell it to make the checksum file somewhere else, then it makes all of the paths absolute.
13:37 <DHess_US> Which has to be deliberate but it is annoying.
14:12 <DHess_US> Moving everything from a 6 drive RAID6 to a 2 drive RAID1
14:17 <mamalala> hmm, then it may be worthwhile to do a script that compares file against file and then stops on the first mismatch, so you can see where the problem is
14:32 <DHess_US> Then I will pull the 6 drives, and expand the RAID1 to a 4 drive RAID5
14:44 <mamalala> on unix-like systems that would be trivial, i guess... dunno about windows
14:58 <DHess_US> No problem yet. Have to wait for the checksums to finish comparing now.
15:09 <DHess_US> The program just used different file orders for some reason.
15:43 <DHess_US> 13000 of 25000 files check so far and no mismatches.
15:44 <mamalala> but then, what do i know ... i'm about to go insane due to the sheer amount of spreadsheets i have to generate right now :/
16:28 <DHess_US> <MatCat> ha
16:28 <DHess_US> <MatCat> checkseption
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23:21 <hsn993> hola
23:34 <T3sl41> o/
23:54 <mamalala> aloha
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40:26 <hsn993> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_file_system
40:37 <hsn993> ^^ these still exist right?
40:57 <hsn993> i imagine they do for embedded applications
51:02 <hsn993> hmmmmmmm .. i have scope with usb interface .. does that mean i can convert it to spec analyzer through pc software doing fft ?
13:18 <hsn993> aaaah
13:19 <hsn993> https://snipboard.io/hWPEBD.jpg
13:36 <hsn993> useless i cant see the 1khz ? :)
15:19 <T3sl41> zoomed in too far?
15:35 <T3sl41> remember frequency is inverse with time, the more zoomed in one is, the worse the other is
17:59 <mamalala> HMMM
18:05 <mamalala> (sorry)
18:31 <mamalala> depends on the frequency of your drug intake ... and how good you can take it ...
19:12 <mamalala> because then, you might get more zoomed in while increasing the frequency :P
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21:19 <Ysjoelfir> Hi
21:49 <mamalala> hsn993: make sure that your FFT input is set to the scope channel you are using ...
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22:02 <mamalala> hsn993: also, why do you have channel 1 set to ampere?
22:33 <mamalala> hsn993: you may want to get moe used to the scopes functions before trying any usefull stuff wit it :)
22:48 <hsn993> i dont think this (ampere) i can change
22:50 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: ja guten morgen mein lieber kraut :P
23:02 <mamalala> hsn993: yes, you can ... RTFM
23:05 <Ysjoelfir> Hat da etwa jemand auf meiner Webseite gestöbert? :P
23:17 <T3sl41> gehsundeit
23:27 <mamalala> quality kraut engineering - made in krautland
23:47 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, mamalala! and nearly, T3sl41 :)
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24:17 <Ysjoelfir> oh no, steve threebillion!
24:20 <mamalala> T3sl41: ha...
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24:43 <mamalala> steve30: damn, the inflation took a hard hit on your nickname
25:31 <steve30> yup
25:37 <mamalala> hsn993: also, check the clock setting on your scope ... it's 09:25 now
25:40 <mamalala> :P
26:24 <hsn993> kik
26:25 <hsn993> lol
26:52 <hsn993> its voltage now
27:14 <mamalala> jeez ... i have been doing silly, pointless statistics spreadsheets all night
27:31 <hsn993> fft is actually same channel but i believe minimum i can get is (12khz) per grid unit
27:41 <mamalala> just because some self-proclaimed organization doesn't really know how metrology works
27:47 <mamalala> what a bunch of wankers
28:15 <Ysjoelfir> metrology? what is that? 0:-)
28:44 <T3sl41> sounds like a wooly mess :P
28:44 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: yea... i've been fighting them for over two years now ...
29:09 <mamalala> each time it comes to a vote, they decide that just a bit more statistics is needed ... for a really simple thing
29:16 <mamalala> T3sl41: yea, indeed
29:27 <hsn993> this zoom fft: 1x -> https://snipboard.io/3LHjmi.jpg
29:53 <T3sl41> that looks like a, yes, a rect window
30:20 <mamalala> but i guess that is what happens if politics get in the way of actual data... they all are happy to wank each others balls, because the members pay... and doing a friend a favour is better than actual facts
30:34 <hsn993> 10x -> https://snipboard.io/Y1iy6w.jpg << see begining it has small ugly peak
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37:41 <Ysjoelfir> Interesting... I found a job advert for writing application notes. shouldn't that be done by the manufacturer of the IC themselves? I didn't know that this was a thing you outsorce nowadays
37:57 <T3sl41> ha
37:59 <T3sl41> hahaha
38:08 <T3sl41> oh you sweet summer child, have you seen the quality of the average appnote?
38:27 <Ysjoelfir> well, yes, but I thought they just don't care anymore :D
38:36 <T3sl41> you aren't wrong :D
38:38 <hsn993> outsource is bad idea
40:19 <mamalala> hsn993: btw, 1khz can be quite low for these software fft's in scopes... it may well be that this is at the very start of the fft bins it shows
40:33 <mamalala> at least on the rigol that is the case
40:50 <mamalala> also, your scope timebase setting affects what the fft shows
41:14 <Ysjoelfir> I think about proposing for that appnote job. Lets see how shitty of an appnote of an IC I don't even know I can write :D
41:37 <mamalala> "this is the chip. connect stuff to it, done!"
41:49 <hsn993> yes that what i ment thats its minimum span is too large
41:59 <hsn993> (span) is right word here right?
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42:02 <Ysjoelfir> basically like that mamalala^^
43:12 <hsn993> but then (that 1khz) is square so i should see the harmonics?
43:36 <T3sl41> you did in the other one
43:45 <T3sl41> whatever you did with the scale or span
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45:39 <Halcyon> Evening everyone
45:45 * T3sl41 hugs Halcyon
45:50 <Halcyon> YAY!
46:33 * Ysjoelfir hugs Halcyon, too!
46:49 <Halcyon> I'm getting it from all angles today!
46:54 * Ysjoelfir pulls mamalala over and forces him to hug Halcyon as well
47:00 <hsn993> ooh i need to zoom out in the time mood to change the span
47:26 * mamalala reluctantly hugs Halcyon
47:37 <mamalala> but only because i was forced to!!! :P
47:44 <Halcyon> :P
48:05 * T3sl41 unhugs mamalala
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48:20 <mamalala> pfff...
48:34 <Ysjoelfir> oooh, steve 300trillion is back!
48:49 <Halcyon> YAY!
49:03 <Halcyon> Steve have you had a chance to watch Priscilla yet?
49:25 <Ysjoelfir> I came to work this morning, hearing a combination of sentences that triggered my alarms
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49:45 <Halcyon> Oh?
50:14 <Ysjoelfir> one of them was "The coffee machine doesn't make strong enough coffee", and the second one was "So we took a look in the manual and adjusted the grinder"
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50:35 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: so i take it that you are at work and chatting here?
50:52 <mamalala> ... why does that remind me of a certain character in the dilbert cartoons :P
51:06 <Halcyon> What's wrong with stronger coffee?
51:15 <Ysjoelfir> so I went to the coffee machine (which I sold to the company and which is maintained by me), saw it, and turned around, nearly crying
51:18 <mamalala> Halcyon: nothing, obviously
51:23 <Ysjoelfir> I love dilbert, by the way :P
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51:44 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: do you have the video series? somewhat old, but still good
52:16 <T3sl41> coffee, mmm, wally fuel
52:19 <Ysjoelfir> how do you manage to RIPP OUT the bean tank, close the grinder that much that the stones grind each other and break off the adjustement knob while doing so?
52:40 <Ysjoelfir> No, never knew that there was a video series :)
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54:48 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: damn... i'm on LTE right now, because the DSL is not available for a few more days .... otherwise i would have uploaded a .tgz of the two seasons
55:10 <Ysjoelfir> I can wait :) just don't forget it :P
55:25 <Ysjoelfir> And don't let mr. Halcyon know that!
56:07 <Halcyon> Hm?
57:07 <Ysjoelfir> your job :)
57:23 <Halcyon> Mm what about it?
57:36 <Halcyon> Oh uploading movies
57:37 <Halcyon> Meh
57:39 <Ysjoelfir> xD
57:43 <Ysjoelfir> that took a while :D
57:46 <Halcyon> I don't get involved in that shit
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57:59 <Halcyon> We have better things to do
58:15 <Halcyon> Besides, in Australia, copyright infringement is a civil matter, not a Police matter
58:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh, is it?
58:41 <Halcyon> Yep
59:18 <Halcyon> And also, those pre-roll things at the start of DVD's etc... is a lie... downloading movies isn't classed as stealing (here). A court has ruled that copyright infringement doesn't equate to larceny
59:27 <Halcyon> In fact, mere downloading isn't illegal at all
00:23 <Ysjoelfir> lol... nice :) good to know that.
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02:16 <Halcyon> Yep, there has never been anyone prosecuted in Australia for downloading a film. The whole Dallas buyers club thing was a joke.
02:37 <Halcyon> The people who got a stern warning letter from their ISP were those who were uploading and sharing
03:09 <Halcyon> And even then, the ISPs couldn't care less. They were basically told to send those emails out to appear to be "doing something"
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04:07 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds.... strange, if you see the whole hype about filesharing is such a baaaaad thing, and the TV commercials we had here in germany for many years
04:50 <Halcyon> Look, if you upload infringing copies, you can get into trouble. Copyright holders can sue you. Likewise if you start making physical copies of things and sell them, Police can get involved.
06:08 <Ysjoelfir> well, sounds correct to me
06:31 <Halcyon> The act basically deals with "copying"... downloading is not making an infringing copy (under the definition of our law)
07:39 <Ysjoelfir> and then comes germany and bombards you with "advertisments" like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCm-dm7DY6s
08:50 <Halcyon> "Piracy" has a different meaning under our law
08:56 <Halcyon> (which doesn't including downloading)
10:54 <Halcyon> Basically without getting too technical, if they made downloading and storing a copy of copyrighted works illegal, then proxy servers etc... would be technically in breach of that law
11:26 <Halcyon> Not to say legislation won't ever catch up, it probably will, but for the time being, we're safe
11:39 <hsn993> so downloading movies from piratebay is legal but dont watch or distripute them ?
12:06 <Ysjoelfir> If i understood it correctly, even watching is legal. but not distributing it
14:09 <Ysjoelfir> let us just all migrate to australia, the laws seem to be pretty good there :D
15:45 <mamalala> what? so we all have to walk on our heads?
16:07 <mamalala> ... and have kangaroos kick us in the nuts?
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16:41 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but also: we would have wombats!
16:46 <Halcyon> hsn993: You can watch them
17:23 <hsn993> legal ?
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17:43 <Halcyon> In most countries where you start treading into unlawful territory is when you make, distribute, sell or exhibit copies without authorisation
17:50 <Halcyon> Of course I only know Australia law
18:12 <Halcyon> Mere downloading may very well be illegal where you are, I have no idea
18:53 <hsn> i dont know about here law but every computer shop is installing cracked windows version for ($10) maybe xD
18:54 <Halcyon> Importation of infringing copies is also illegal here, however that relates to physical goods such as counterfeit products, movies etc...
19:16 <Halcyon> Sounds dodgy ;-)
19:20 <hsn> they include office in that image also
19:22 <hsn> lol
19:34 <Halcyon> I wouldn't trust that image with a barge pole
19:35 <hsn> one time i saw goverment pcs having cracked windows
19:49 <Halcyon> Oh gees
20:04 <Halcyon> I mean, Windows 10 is utter garbage, it's probably only worth $10
20:20 <Ysjoelfir> but.. why? you can get legal win7 for 8€ and still update that for free to win10^^
20:30 <hsn> does installing it worth $10
20:32 <hsn> :P
20:33 <Halcyon> Do they still offer free updates?
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20:41 <Ysjoelfir> not officially, but yes. it still works
20:41 <Halcyon> I thought Microsoft stopped that
20:56 <hsn> no they are generous
20:57 <Halcyon> If you have Windows 7, not sure why you would want to "update" to Windows 10
20:58 <Ysjoelfir> I just used it... lets say... 4 weeks ago
21:10 <Ysjoelfir> erm... because.
21:59 <hsn> you can get legal win7 for 8€ ----> ?? where
22:27 <mamalala> hsn: depends on where you are
22:39 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.mmoga.de/Software/Windows/Windows-7-Professional-32-64-Bit.html
22:44 <Ysjoelfir> 4,99€
22:48 <Halcyon> You can still buy leftover stock of Windows 7 OEM from some places here
22:58 <mamalala> here in germany it is legal to re-sell unbundled oem licenses... and as such, you can buy windows keys for next to nothing on ebay
23:54 <hsn> i probably bought 3 laptops and paid for windows that included with them
23:55 <Ysjoelfir> what mamalala says. BUT: don't try that with office. My employer bought... I would say, 200 copies of that for 2,99€ each. all suddenly expired as microsoft was like "meh, I don't like that"
24:07 <Halcyon> Hahaha
24:11 <mamalala> also, shrink-wrap licences are null and void here in krautland... that is, any software you buy, where you can read the license only after opening the package, that license is void
24:17 <hsn> now i dont own the key of that laptop does that give me right to use pirated windows ?
24:23 <Halcyon> Why would you bother when LibreOffice and OpenOffice are both free?
24:23 <hsn> xD
24:37 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: you can do the phone activation... typing numbers to a robot
24:53 <mamalala> Halcyon: indeed
24:57 <hsn> Halcyon i love open source but lets be honest both are nothing compared to ms office
25:22 <Ysjoelfir> compatibility still isn't perfect halcyon. many of the customers can't read .ods and exported .xls or even .xlsx are sometimes dodgy.
25:26 <mamalala> hsn: how so? i mean, realistically, what do you use it for?
25:49 <Ysjoelfir> and the phone activation didn't work mamalala. sadly.
26:02 <Halcyon> hsn: I disagree, I use LibreOffice for everything now but forced to use Office 365 at work. It's garbage.
26:12 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: yea, but the "reading .ods" part is just because microsoft doesn't want to ... after all, not only is the format open, but the implementations as well
26:16 <Halcyon> Honestly, give it a try
26:28 <Ysjoelfir> i absolutely agree.
26:40 <hsn> i tried it before on my laptop didnt like the interface to much
26:43 <Halcyon> Office has supported ODS for some time. It's 99.5% perfect.
26:44 <hsn> excel ^
26:55 <hsn> my laptop has ubuntu
27:05 <Ysjoelfir> I personally use my ancient office 2k3 at home, just because I have it. If I wouldn't have that, I would use libre.
27:06 <mamalala> and the other way around, reading ms-office stuff in libre/openoffice is buggy because microsoft decided to play silly games and not abide by the specs
27:17 <Halcyon> Yep
27:34 <Halcyon> But who cares? Stick to an open standard and you won't have dramas.
27:36 <mamalala> Halcyon: shall i send you some spreadsheets of mine that have plots in them, which don't render?
27:41 <Halcyon> Anything to clients is generally PDF
27:51 <Halcyon> Sure, I'd like to see how it goes
28:07 <mamalala> funny enough, opening ms-office into libreoffice works, still getting the graphs
28:48 <mamalala> Halcyon: http://atelier-klippel.de/Report2020/IWTO-0_Trapeziums.ods
29:12 <mamalala> the main gist with plots as pdf: Halcyon: http://atelier-klippel.de/Report2020/IWTO-0_Trapeziums.pdf
29:19 <Halcyon> Do I need to run the Macros?
29:23 <mamalala> no
29:33 <mamalala> that macro is just because of a libre-office quirk
29:46 <hsn> next time i need to install office i will go for libre
29:48 <mamalala> that is: you change the data cells, but the graph doesn't update
30:02 <mamalala> but if you mive the graph a bit, and then undo the move, it is updated
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30:11 <Halcyon> https://imgur.com/L7nnkh2.png
30:16 <Halcyon> This is what it looks like on my end
30:28 <mamalala> so all the macro does is to traverse all the sheets, nudge the graphs to update them
31:02 <mamalala> Halcyon: well, yes, because you are in libreoffice :P
31:07 <Halcyon> Yes
31:07 <Halcyon> :)
31:10 <mamalala> try to open it in ms-office
31:23 <mamalala> then the graphs will be empty
31:24 <Halcyon> I don't use MS Office :P
31:26 <hsn> i would want to see the ribbon toolbar
31:28 <hsn> more than menus
31:38 <Halcyon> Gah, I hate the ribbon
31:49 <mamalala> Halcyon: ah, ok, i misunderstood then... i thought you wanted to try opening them in ms-office
31:54 <Ysjoelfir> "Excel found unreadyble items in the file. Do you want to repair the spreadsheet?" :D
32:11 <Halcyon> I don't care if Microsoft can't interpret files properly
32:14 <Ysjoelfir> Sure I want!
32:24 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/gE1fJ8.jpg
32:50 <hsn> look its nice fast and easy
32:52 <hsn> :P
32:59 <mamalala> hsn: you are deluded
33:10 <hsn> why :( ?
33:17 <mamalala> Halcyon: seems you are a fellow linux user as well
33:36 <Halcyon> mamalala, only recently
33:42 <mamalala> hsn: because these silly "ribons" add nothing to usability, and only clog up screen space
33:48 <Halcyon> I completely ditched Windows about 12 months ago.
33:54 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/JqaEmK.jpg
34:05 <mamalala> especially since they are not static, but their entries change with whatever you used in the past
34:18 <Halcyon> Before then, I had been a Windows guy (both desktop and server) since forever
34:30 <Halcyon> I grew up on MS-DOS and Windows 3.1
34:36 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: ha, yes...
34:38 <hsn> what u mean they are not static ?
34:42 <Ysjoelfir> excel 2010 ;)
34:46 <hsn> they are always in same place
35:16 <mamalala> hsn: some entries change the default behaviour when you click them .. stuff like line-style, colour, etc... depending on what you used before
35:39 <hsn> but that what i want usually ^
35:40 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: it's not better on the newest office version either
35:47 <hsn> to color the last color
35:55 <Ysjoelfir> I assume that
36:07 <mamalala> hsn: well, that's what your standard icons will do as well in, for example, libre-office
36:26 <mamalala> ...with much less screen-clutter
36:53 <mamalala> Halcyon: hope you are happy with linux so far
36:56 <hsn> ok i will try libre office in my laptop and will tell u what i miss here and there
37:01 <Halcyon> Yep love it
37:06 <Halcyon> I run MX Linux
37:14 <mamalala> worked just fine for me the past 15+ years
37:23 <Halcyon> I mean it hasn't been smooth sailing, had issues along the way, but it's a learning curve
37:34 <Halcyon> Still, beats the hell out of Windows 10's many issues
37:48 <mamalala> Halcyon: indeed... but that's always the case if you switch operating systems
38:09 <Halcyon> Of course
38:19 <Halcyon> But I love the simplicity but also the complexity
38:25 <mamalala> heck, i mean, just look at what the windows control panel does after every update ... stuff is suddenly not where it was before... with each major win update
38:42 <mamalala> Halcyon: have you discovered shell pipelining yet?
38:43 <Halcyon> If only everything was in Control Panel!
38:50 <Halcyon> They have scattered settings everywhere
39:06 <Halcyon> Why do I need two separate places to uninstall software in Windows?
39:17 <Halcyon> Yep, I understand piping etc...
39:41 <mamalala> if it would even uninstall completely ... usually you are still left with a lot of crud in the registry
40:21 <Halcyon> That has always been an issue with Windows
41:31 <Halcyon> I feel as though Microsoft have tried to make Windows 8/10 too much like Apple but ended up with an unpolished and bodged together mess
41:45 <Halcyon> They've even dumbed down the language for idiot users
42:13 <mamalala> well, to some extent, yes
42:14 <Halcyon> BSOD's have huge :( smileys and shit like "Apps" is everywhere
42:32 <hsn> tbh its much better than 5 years ago
42:37 <mamalala> and let's not even talk about the silly app stuff that runs in the start menu, and all that shit...
42:37 <Halcyon> No way
42:42 <Halcyon> Windows 7 was excellent
42:46 <hsn> i cant find (freeze columns)
42:46 <Halcyon> And much faster too
42:54 <hsn> not (first column / first row)
43:02 <hsn> in libre office
43:17 <hsn> tried both menu (view > freeze cells) and the icons
43:51 <mamalala> what do you mean by "freeze"? that the user can't change the contents?
44:32 <hsn> no .. just the header
44:35 <hsn> when u scroll
44:38 <hsn> it sticks
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45:08 <Halcyon> HSN: Click the "Split" button, drag them where you want, then go to View > Freeze Columns and Rows
45:52 <hsn> aaah nice
46:52 <hsn> its pretty nice actually
46:57 <Halcyon> Some things you need to consult the help/Google for, but for the most part, things are in logical places
47:06 <Halcyon> It is a little different to MS Office, but I prefer it
47:11 <mamalala> yay! working on stupid spreadsheets for over 30 hours now.... time to go to the supermarket and get some beer... need to start numbing down my brain, otherwise i'll go insane ...
47:27 <mamalala> back in a few minutes...
47:31 <Halcyon> mamalala: I've got the wine open :)
48:05 <Halcyon> LibreOffice reminds of of Office 2003/2007, and I loved them
48:13 <Halcyon> Uncluttered
50:50 <hsn> Sampling Rate: 2GSa/s ////// Bandwidth: 200MHz ---------------> when i've bandwidth of 200MHz does that mean i cant measure 201MHz ?
51:18 <hsn> or it means that it will just have attenuation (some -dB gain)?
51:56 <hsn> because 2GSa/s ----> can measure 1GHz right?
53:43 <Ysjoelfir> Usually it means that you have at 200MHz a drop of 3dB in amplitude
54:42 <hsn> right,, but u can still measure 400MHz with 200Mhz scope ? just (lower magnitude) ?
55:57 <Ysjoelfir> well... you cant say that since every scope is different. you can, however, assume that frequencies over the bandwith limit can be displayed, but with an unspecified error. How far out of the BW limit you can go depends again on the scope and the signal form
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58:02 <K> hello
58:06 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
58:07 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
58:15 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo! now It's me that it likes!
58:20 <hsn93> then why do i need to look at (sampling rate) of digitizers?
58:25 <hsn93> Hello K
58:32 <hsn93> :(
58:48 <Ysjoelfir> na, it won't trigger on you. it's been programmed by a kraut, so it is a racist bot. :P
59:21 <hsn93> EEVBlog time
59:22 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 20:59 Sydney time.
59:30 <hsn93> at least it replies the time
59:45 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
00:50 <Ysjoelfir> regarding the smaple rate: you can't really relate bandwidth and sample rate. the bandwith tells you how "fast" of a signal the analog input circuitry can manage, while the sampling rate tells you something about the digital part and how fast it acquires the samples from the ADC.
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01:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Packing for canyoning tomorrow and just realised I have @KathmanduGear pants, shirt, jacket, pack, and shoes. #NotSponsored I swear.
01:53 <Halcyon> Hahaha
02:25 <Halcyon> Ahh looks like Dave is coming up my way tomorrow
02:34 <Ysjoelfir> is he?
02:45 <Halcyon> Yeh he comes up here to the mountains to go canyoning
03:14 <T3sl41> canyonerrooooooooooooooooooooowooh
03:28 <Ysjoelfir> ah. don't know much about canyons or mountains
03:34 <Ysjoelfir> especially in down under
03:46 <Halcyon> I live here but that's as far as I know
03:49 <Halcyon> I don't do any of that stuff
04:29 <mamalala> jeezus fucking christ on a stick ... what are all these people doing in the supermarket at this time... don't they have jobs or something? :P
04:58 <Halcyon> What time is it?
05:04 <Ysjoelfir> 11
05:11 <K> they are bying supplies because of covid
05:36 <mamalala> hsn93: on a digital scope, with well implemented digital filters, on 200MHz and meassuring 201MHz usually results in a 1MHz readout (foldback due to nyquist)
05:39 <Ysjoelfir> And yeah... I know that problem. especially old people seem to be shopping around that time like they will die this evening
05:46 <Halcyon> K: What kind of supplies?
05:50 <Halcyon> Seems silly to me
06:00 <K> non perishable food
06:03 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: haha, yea ... man, when i lived in munich, it was crazy for the bus
06:09 <Halcyon> OK ?
06:10 <K> in case everything gets locked down china-style
06:20 <Halcyon> Riiiight
06:26 <K> (im just arsing around, don't mind me)
06:50 <mamalala> you can see old people running after the bus, just to catch it ... and when inside, they instantly put on a sad, fragile look meant to make you feel bad if you are not giving up your seat for them
06:51 <Ysjoelfir> what is covid? is that this new virus thing we call corona here?
07:04 <Ysjoelfir> exactly mamalala!
07:13 <K> how much to eat you have in your house if shops/eateries are closed?
07:33 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Yes, it's been renamed
07:44 <mamalala> i mean, really, you old fuck? you just managed to put on a 50m sprint that is worthy of a world record, but now you pretend to be barely able to mive?
07:45 <Halcyon> It's called COVID-19
07:48 <mamalala> *move
08:17 <K> the clockspring is unwound
08:31 <Ysjoelfir> once one of said species started to argue with me. when I told her that I have a bad back and can't stand for long she screamed all over the bus, the yoputh of today, iompossible, how sad it is, bla...
08:32 <mamalala> K: enough for a few days... but i just bought beer, and that i always buy "on demand"... because if would try to stock it, i would be drunk all day...
08:44 <Ysjoelfir> why did they have to rename that thing?
09:01 <K> because "coronavirus" is a generic name for a family of viruses
09:15 <Ysjoelfir> ooh, ok. that makes sence then
09:39 <K> "covid-19" is for this instance
09:42 <hsn93> mamalala, so BW should always be turned ?
10:25 <hsn93> we've got some pharmacies closed because they hide masks and tried to raise the price xD
11:03 <hsn93> people wearing masks looks stupid tbh .. its not like we have somthing that serious ..
12:15 <mamalala> hsn93: on a digital scope, you have two kinds of bandwidth
12:30 <mamalala> one is the analogue front-end, the other is the digital processing
13:30 <hsn93> yeah.. but if you tell me (201MHz) might be displayed as (1MHz) its so scary that makes me to say (always turn BW on -> i assume BW = cutout 200MHz) ..
14:08 <mamalala> hsn93: the analogue front end doesn't care much ... at worst, the signal is attenuated... but the digital processing stage may fold back
14:31 <Ysjoelfir> exactly. :)
14:45 <hsn93> yes understood
14:51 <mamalala> also, there is a reason why bandwidth can be selected... if you have slow signals, but meassure them at high bandwidth, you may get "false" reading/effects
15:17 <mamalala> especially noise usually goes way up if you sample at high bandwidth
16:38 <Ysjoelfir> (which is a reason why I like my good old Tek 502A)
16:54 <mamalala> i think dave made a video about that exact topic quite some time ago
17:18 <mamalala> digital scopes are somewhat tricky to use... you really need to know what you are doing... analogue scopes are somewhat easier in that regard
18:37 <hsn93> and what cirumistances u need to turn BW off ?
19:03 <T3sl41> normally set it to 20 or 100MHz BW when the signal is annoyingly noisy or spiky
19:58 <K> (insert three monkeys picture)
22:11 <Ysjoelfir> K, look! A three headed monkey! *immitates guybrush threepwood voice*
22:42 <mamalala> ha! good old adventure games
23:06 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
23:06 <mamalala> the sweet, sweet point&click stuff :)
23:12 * T3sl41 bops Ysjoelfir with a stick from a rubber tree
23:56 * Ysjoelfir puts some lice on the comb the pirate barber uses on T3sl41s hair
24:12 * T3sl41 seeps good
25:06 Nick: T3sl41 is now known as T3sl4
25:19 <Halcyon> :)
25:28 * mamalala can't decide ... do more spreadsheets/statistics, or get silly drunk
25:44 <mamalala> although, the latter may help with the former
25:58 <Halcyon> Clearly the latter
26:15 <Halcyon> There is a window of opportunity to do the former whilst you're getting drunk :)
26:43 <Ysjoelfir> oh, Halcyon! Did I tell you that Lemon brought me a bottle of french wine?
27:21 <Halcyon> No, you didn't
27:25 <Halcyon> What kind of wine did you get?
27:39 <Ysjoelfir> He told me to let it sit for a while since it was very recently bottled. It now sits there, on the kitchen counter, waiting for me to open it.
27:40 <Ysjoelfir> erm
27:53 <Halcyon> Cork or screw cap?
27:57 <Ysjoelfir> don't ask me what it is, ask lemon :D it's.. wine. and it is supposed to be good.
28:20 <Ysjoelfir> I can look that up when I'm home, but IIRC its a cork
28:34 <Halcyon> Keep it on it's side then
28:52 <Halcyon> If the wine isn't in contact with the cork, it dries out, shrinks and lets air in
29:08 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok :)
29:17 <Halcyon> And air = bad when it comes to wine
29:20 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: he brought me some drink as well ... also told me to let the wine sit for a few days... but then i decided to not give a fuck and drink it
29:26 <mamalala> it was _very_ tasty
29:30 <Ysjoelfir> XD
29:38 <Halcyon> If it was recently bottled and it's a red, might be worth keeping a few years
29:41 <mamalala> i mean, usually i don't like wine ... but that one was really, really good
29:53 <T3sl4> Halcyon: it is.... it is wine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RuRJOQa8M
29:56 <Halcyon> Or just drink it :P
31:06 <Halcyon> mamalala: What wine was it?
31:28 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/20200227_113029.jpg
32:01 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes, I think it's the same :)
32:19 <mamalala> it's really good
32:37 <hsn93> ah BW is actually 20MHz not 200MHz ..
32:41 <mamalala> well, compared to the cheap stuff you get in the supermarket, anyways
32:57 <mamalala> but then, as said, i'm not a wine guy, and this one was the best i had so far
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33:21 <hsn93> hello bois
33:21 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn93!
33:24 <hsn93> :)
33:30 <Lemon> hello !
33:38 <hsn93> hi lemonish
33:47 <Halcyon> Looks like a blend
33:52 <Halcyon> I have no idea how to read that
34:00 <Ysjoelfir> It's french, don't bother
34:06 <Ysjoelfir> french is known to be unreadable
34:08 <Lemon> wats french
34:10 <Lemon> wats french
34:16 <Ysjoelfir> except from a small group of strange person
34:34 <Lemon> lemme offer my free translation program
34:47 <Halcyon> Lemon: The wine you left the boys
34:50 <Lemon> where you give me things and I puke them in a readable form
34:51 <Halcyon> What kind of wine is it?
35:00 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwODwwgE6rA
35:14 <Halcyon> Hahaha
35:19 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
35:24 <Lemon> its a Gamay, made in oak barrels :> which a local family makes
35:26 <mamalala> Lemon: ha, just talked about the tasty wine you brought us
35:35 <Lemon> its kinda light I really like it
35:41 <mamalala> Lemon: http://atelier-klippel.de/20200227_113029.jpg
35:45 <Halcyon> What kind of grape?
35:55 <Lemon> thats a good question xD
36:07 <mamalala> sadly the bottle was empty even before you left ... must have had a hole in the bottom, or something
36:13 <Halcyon> Since nothing stands out on the label, I'm guessing it's some kind of non-vintage blend?
36:18 <Lemon> thats Gamay :>
36:26 <mamalala> probably evaporated over night because of the excessive heat here in germany ... haha
36:26 <Lemon> the type of grape is named like that
36:38 <Halcyon> Oh right
37:22 <Halcyon> Judging what I read it would be perhaps comparable to our Pinot Noir ?
37:44 <mamalala> Halcyon: it's comparable to "tasty"
37:46 <Halcyon> Hahah
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39:40 <Lemonizer> from the Bourgogne-Franche-Comte !
39:45 <Lemonizer> goddamn disconnections
39:54 <Halcyon> I figured out that bit :P
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41:01 <mamalala> Lemonizer: does /query work for you? that is, do you see what i wrote you in the /query?
41:10 <Lemonizer> yes !
41:21 <Lemonizer> I finally registered x)
42:42 <Halcyon> Hooray
43:28 <mamalala> probably was something like "/register baguette citroen"
43:29 <mamalala> :-P
43:46 <Halcyon> Racist :P
44:02 <Halcyon> mamalala: Are you a fan of Ab Fab?
44:09 <mamalala> ab fab?
44:39 <Halcyon> Absolutely Fabulous
44:42 <Halcyon> And old UK series
44:55 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jar7Pk0OCR4
44:56 <mamalala> Lemonizer: can't see anything from you on the /query, in case you replied there
45:08 <Halcyon> They do an episode in France which is among the best
45:59 <Halcyon> The start of it is in that link at the start
45:59 <Ysjoelfir> things that include the word combination of "France" and "best" somehow seem wrong to me :P
47:17 <mamalala> Halcyon: that series is not politically correct! you racists mysoginist pig, you!!! :P
47:25 <Halcyon> :P
47:30 <Halcyon> It's brilliant
47:40 <mamalala> yea, british humour often is
47:44 <Halcyon> Just like Hogan's Heroes is brilliant
48:02 <mamalala> but the kangaroo-shaggers have some good humour as well, i must say
48:20 <Halcyon> This is where they go wine tasting in France: https://youtu.be/Jar7Pk0OCR4?t=163
48:37 <mamalala> Halcyon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
48:58 <mamalala> clarke & dawe are great ... and it's in down-under, imagine that
49:09 <Halcyon> Hahah
49:18 <Halcyon> We have plenty of series' like that
49:29 <Halcyon> All the good stuff was made in the 1990's
49:53 <mamalala> Halcyon: ah, so you are from the other side of the flat earth, then?
50:02 <Halcyon> mamalala: Sydney
50:07 <Halcyon> I know Dave personally
50:22 <mamalala> Halcyon: hope you didn't have any troubles due to the nasty fires over there
50:25 <Halcyon> Hence why I'm here :)
50:38 <Halcyon> Eh, we survived
50:52 <mamalala> pretty scary stuff, i must say
51:00 <Halcyon> You might enjoy this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR80tnIz5r4
51:04 <Halcyon> This is one such sketch show
51:10 <Lemonizer> but yeah to talk more about the local wine producer, called Jean Marie Guelle, is one of the last that makes good wine without modifying too much
51:37 <mamalala> Halcyon: abba? are you kidding me? :P
51:38 <Lemonizer> he makes red wine, 'rose', white, some with bubbles I never know the english name
51:44 <Halcyon> Give it a try
51:50 <Lemonizer> with various light flavours which is surprinsingly good
51:59 <mamalala> my precious let bandwidth...
52:03 <mamalala> *lte
52:44 <Ysjoelfir> you make it hard for me to not open it this evening, lemon^^
52:53 <mamalala> ahh, seems to be a parody
52:59 <Halcyon> Do it Ysjoelfir
53:09 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: do it! it's good!
53:11 <Halcyon> mamalala: Fast Forward was a parody sketch show
53:13 <Ysjoelfir> but he told me to let it sit for a while^^
53:18 <Lemonizer> haha :p well sometimes I drink them right away, its still good but it earns to wait a bit x)
53:23 <mamalala> Halcyon: ahh, didn't know that
53:39 <Lemonizer> I have told you to wait ! :P
53:41 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, it has been a few days now, so that counts as "a while"
54:01 <Halcyon> For example: https://youtu.be/dqxaeAjUDz0?t=97
54:01 <Lemonizer> but well honestly its still good, just keep in mind that local wine isnt modified as much
54:09 <Lemonizer> so sometimes you can get a bottle thats less good
54:50 <mamalala> Lemonizer: can you try to /query me? because i'm getting nothing so far
55:24 <Lemonizer> have you tried to quit and login in again ?
55:27 <Lemonizer> theres some kind of issues
55:41 <mamalala> Halcyon: hmm, not my style, i'm afraid
55:54 <Halcyon> Fair enough
55:56 <mamalala> Lemonizer: well, let me try ...
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57:14 <mamalala> so there....
57:57 <mamalala> Halcyon: i'm more a fan of that kind of dry humour that clarke & daw do, for example
58:07 <mamalala> *dawe
58:24 <Lemonizer> I see yours
58:45 <mamalala> Lemonizer: i don't see yours, though ... strange ... guess i'll shoot you an email then
59:27 <Halcyon> mamalala: If you understand Aussie politics I would have the perfect show for you
00:09 <Halcyon> https://iview.abc.net.au/show/shaun-micallef-s-mad-as-hell
00:10 <mamalala> Halcyon: meh, no idea about .au politics ... heck, i even barely know .de politics
01:07 <Halcyon> I'm actually going to go watch an episode, I have lots to catch up on
02:35 <mamalala> all i know about .au politics is that they are starting to fall for the same PC shit as everyone else
04:51 <mamalala> Halcyon: pff... doesn't let me play it ... only get a black screen when i click on the video
05:15 <mamalala> stupid people that haven't understood what _inter_net actually means
13:52 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo!
13:57 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, still here?^^
14:17 * T3sl4 meows
14:49 * Halcyon puts the cat out
14:58 <Ysjoelfir> I applied for that App note writing job thing, more for fun than anything serious. They seem to like me.
15:06 <mamalala> hey, leave the kitty alone!
16:06 <T3sl4> heh
16:13 * T3sl4 scratches at Halcyon
16:22 <Halcyon> :P
16:38 <Ysjoelfir> let's see if I can increase the niveau of their appnotes xD
18:50 <Ysjoelfir> It would be for "dialog semiconductor".
19:13 <T3sl4> ah
26:38 <hsn93> i've goot square wave 1KHz from oscilliscope generated for compensating the probe, i connect it to probe and set the channel input to 50Ohm .. probe set to 1x .. the channel is set to AC coupling ..
27:05 <hsn93> Vrms = 57mV ,, Vpp = 124mV
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28:01 <hsn93> oh right Vrms = Vpk in square wave
28:13 <T3sl4> so, shorting out the probe?
28:23 <hsn93> why shorting ?
28:29 <steve30> hmm, cpc cancelled my raspberry pi
28:42 <Ampera> steve30, shipping from china?
28:55 <T3sl4> probe only probes when it's connected to 1M || 20pF or whatever
28:57 <hsn93> cpc ->
29:05 <T3sl4> surprised you get that much out of it at 50R
29:26 <T3sl4> i suppose it'll be actually nil on 10x, while on 1x the probe is something like 300R in series
29:43 <hsn93> so probe is actually ac coupled 20pF?
30:01 <hsn93> with dc 1M oh ok
30:15 <hsn93> no its 1x
30:41 <T3sl4> which, come to think of it, lemme see... one of my probes here is 251.2 ohms at 1x (from probe tip to connector pin)
31:25 <hsn93> when u have 1x ,, do you remove the cap or the 1M ?
31:52 <hsn93> i mean when the probe set to 1x .. is it still (1M || 20pF) ?
31:53 <T3sl4> the cap is the scope dude
32:05 <T3sl4> or it would be if you hadn't switched it to 50R
32:08 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
32:18 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
32:23 <Halcyon> Sleepy
32:24 <Halcyon> You?
32:25 <mamalala> someone surely needs to learn some basics about scopes, givent the recent questions/issues
32:42 <Ampera> sleepy, need to take a bath, and then go to work
32:47 <Halcyon> Hot
32:56 <Ampera> no it's quite cold over here
33:02 <Halcyon> I mean the bath :P
33:07 <Ampera> in the 30's today
33:32 <Ampera> or rather lower single digits, and freezing throughout the night
33:45 * Ysjoelfir goes out for lunch
33:52 <Ampera> freezing all day tomorrow
35:12 <hsn93> T3sl4 so 10x = 1M ,,, 1x = 0ohm ?
36:08 <hsn93> agh , its actually 9M
36:43 <steve30> Ampera, no, local supplier. Looks like its not in stock.
36:56 <T3sl4> the probe equivalent circuit is R || (R+C) into a cable in 10x, or straight into the cable (1x)
36:57 <Ampera> perhaps then an issue down the line
37:11 <T3sl4> where the R is 10M and the R+C is maybe 1k + 6pF
37:18 <Ampera> Pine64 is out of stock and barely shipping a bunch of stuff, which is sad
37:19 <T3sl4> well, 9M*
37:41 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
37:54 <Halcyon> :D
38:05 * steve30 is making curry
38:10 <Halcyon> Oh yum
38:19 <mamalala> Ampera: you need an ARM board? i may have one to give away
38:29 <Ampera> I'd like one of the pbpros
38:41 * T3sl4 plops a few chopped cabbage leaves into steve30's curry
38:48 <Ampera> as for ARM boards, I have three Pis I'm not using. I'm never one to say no to free shit, but other people might benefit more
39:01 <hsn93> ok 1x is shorted and in the scope its 50ohm ... droped to 120mV .. why u suspect it will much lower ?
39:15 <T3sl4> hsn93: you use the probe with the scope always on 1M setting
39:30 <Halcyon> I'm off to bed, night all
39:34 <T3sl4> you use 50R with cables and matched impedance signals, low-Z probes, that sort of thing
39:38 <Halcyon> eevblog time
39:38 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 22:39 Sydney time.
39:43 * T3sl4 slaps Halcyon on the cheek on his way out
40:49 <mamalala> Ampera: one is a Nano-Pi M1, the other is a ODroid C2, and also a Nano-Pi NEO
41:19 <mamalala> somewhere i have yet another one that has an SATA interface, just can't fine it somehow
42:03 <mamalala> even have two of the NEO's and M1's to spare
42:09 <Ampera> I have a Pi B, Pi 2B, and a Pi 3B, and enough PCs to go around
42:26 <Ampera> Are you looking to get rid of all of them for some reason?
43:06 <mamalala> not really, just mentioning it because i thought you needed one
43:10 <Ampera> nah
43:18 <Ampera> keep them, you likely have better use
43:38 <mamalala> they sure make nice dust collectors :P
44:13 <mamalala> https://cheezburger.com/9446373888/painfully-accurate
44:14 <mamalala> haha
44:40 <Ampera> They're the sort of thing you wire up, throw linux on, and then say
44:41 <Ampera> well now what
44:49 <Ampera> it does everything my PC can do and less, and my PC is right over here
45:02 <hsn93> T3sl4 thanks
45:19 <T3sl4> welcome :)
45:41 <mamalala> yea... i just like to play with them from time to time, see how stuff is progressing on that front ... lot's of vendors are still crap when it comes to drivers for their chips
46:11 <Ampera> I also bought a PineTime, which I will need the pi to program
46:19 <Ampera> but I don't know when that will ship out
50:07 <hsn93> and i got with 1x probe (Vrms = 1.48V) << 3v3 pk-pk .. when i do the scope fft i got (2.64dBVrms) .. i did math of (2.64dBVrms -> it should be 1.356Vrms)
51:44 <hsn93> in the manual i can see : BW Flatness at BNC
51:44 <hsn93> input :: DC -10% of rated BW: +/- 1dB
52:02 <T3sl4> hsn93: fundamental amplitude?
52:15 <hsn93> does that mean my FFT has error of +/- 1dB ...
52:30 <mamalala> "at BNC" is one keyword here
52:44 <mamalala> add a probe inbetween, and it will be different
54:51 <hsn93> T3sl4, i would say fundamental amp = 3v3 ,, ac coupled = 1.65V
55:37 <T3sl4> no, what did you measure in the fft
55:43 <T3sl4> just the fundamental, or the whole thing?
56:27 <hsn93> the foundamental (ie 1Khz)
56:55 <T3sl4> then there's a pi/sqrt(2) you're missing
57:53 <T3sl4> sqrt(8) rather
58:42 <Lemonizer> idk how to do with that Vref
58:50 <Lemonizer> charging batt everyday will piss me up
59:25 <Lemonizer> I have a cheap lab smpsu that I could dedicate but idk if its suitable due to its high noise
59:55 <hsn93> oh so dBvrms of the fundamental 1Khz (not as square wave)
59:58 <mamalala> add a cut-off circuit to the ref, which switches off after a certain charge level is reached... then keep it plugged into a trickle charge all the time
00:26 <mamalala> the cutt-off should also switch off when the charge is too low
00:47 <mamalala> there should be plenty of ready-made and cheap circuits for that out there..
00:55 <Lemonizer> yeah I could do that
02:35 <hsn93> T3sl4, where im missing (pi/sqrt(2)) ?
02:59 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave#Fourier_analysis
03:18 <Lemonizer> I also need to figure the voltage needed for that nice resistance bridge
03:28 <Lemonizer> it needs two types of unknown batteries
03:33 <Lemonizer> and theres no info on the net
04:10 <mamalala> a resistance bridge that needs bateeries?
04:21 <mamalala> *batteries
04:28 <Lemonizer> https://imgur.com/a/MZzcTqn
04:31 <Lemonizer> the last picture
05:23 <mamalala> ahhh, so it's more like an ohm-meter with (literally) manual ranging and stuff
05:43 <Lemonizer> I think its made to compare two resistors precisely
06:06 <mamalala> what i consider a resistor bridge is a box where you can dial in a desired resistance, and it will present as such on the connectors
06:20 <hsn93> T3sl4, from the wikipedia link ... u mean im missing 4/pi instead of (pi/sqrt(2))?
06:32 <Lemonizer> a decade box no ?
06:33 <mamalala> seems to compare against internal resistors
06:49 <T3sl4> yes, except one more thing, the formula is peak not RMS
06:52 <mamalala> well, a decade box is basically the same, but for decades
07:12 <Lemonizer> I need one of those
07:24 <Lemonizer> a dude was selling small boxes that could fit together
07:29 <mamalala> a true bridge allows you to set the resistance in small steps, so you can have a somewhat arbitrary value
07:38 <Lemonizer> AIOP branded (france) with like 0.2% tolerance or so
07:47 <mamalala> you can find proper units for cheap on eBay sometimes
08:13 <Lemonizer> but yeah this device could help me match resistors for a KVD or a hammon divider
08:17 <mamalala> usually 19" units with lots of dials on the front, where you can set each "digit" of the desired resistance
08:35 <mamalala> do you have any pics of the battery compartment of that device?
09:38 <Lemonizer> ha no, it looks like one for a double pole battery like 9 volts, but its not
09:47 <Lemonizer> and one with single pole like AA or so
09:51 <mamalala> take a pic, please
10:06 <Lemonizer> sure gimme a sec
13:57 <Lemonizer> https://imgur.com/a/ExrtBwP
14:07 <Lemonizer> just noticed the second pic is shit, but the first sould be enough
14:27 <mamalala> back in the days it was not uncommon that battery cells went into a holder, which in turn was put in the device
15:10 <Lemonizer> I have no idea what are those really
15:13 <mamalala> ok ... i guess the red wire at the bottom in the first pic also has a clip?
15:16 <Lemonizer> at first looked like 9v but no
15:31 <Lemonizer> yes
15:42 <Lemonizer> it says a big and a small battery on the top of the device
16:10 <mamalala> https://circuit.direct/products/battery-holder-for-4-aa-batteries-with-9-v-type-battery-clip-258-814
16:17 <mamalala> maybe something similar to that...
16:22 <mamalala> just a different cell count
16:28 <Ysjoelfir> Aaaah, I got back just in time :) Now you see why I said I never tried it :)
16:37 <Lemonizer> haaa yes could be
16:42 <mamalala> some of those holders also have extra "taps"
17:04 <mamalala> i guess the box has no active electronics in it?
17:17 <Lemonizer> 'replace large batterieS and small battery'
17:25 <Lemonizer> hmm no seems only to be resistors
17:28 <Lemonizer> ho wait
17:48 <mamalala> or if it does, i guess that a 3-clip set is for a +/- volatge for the amplifiers, and a 2-clip set is for the test voltage
18:26 <mamalala> but then, you can send it together with the crate of that fine wine, i'll figure it out then, and send it back with instructions :P
18:33 <Lemonizer> ML709CT
18:36 <Lemonizer> thats hard to read
18:44 <Lemonizer> a round device with like 8 gold legs
19:06 <mamalala> sounds like an opamp
19:34 <mamalala> https://www.ebay.com/itm/ML709-OpAmp-Operational-Amplifier-IC-UA709-LM709-NOS-Qty-1-/133011069300
19:47 <Lemonizer> yeah sounds like an opamp, that makes sense
19:57 <Lemonizer> the rest is passive, resistors and a cap
20:09 <mamalala> so that would probably need a +/- supply, using up 3 of the battery connectors
20:28 <mamalala> and then you have one cell supplying the test voltage
20:51 <Lemonizer> now how to determine the voltage needed ? :> thats the 1 million dollar question
21:11 <mamalala> check which of the clip leads go to the ML709, those would be - / GND / +
21:44 <Lemonizer> the problem is its not really accessible
21:47 <mamalala> i would assume +/- 9 volts for the opamp, and 1.5 volts for the other one
22:31 <mamalala> well, they somehow must have assembled it, so there must be a way to disassemble it... after all, it's an old unit, made with metal, and not a modern plastic box with ultrasonic-welded crap
23:49 <mamalala> could also be +/- 4.5 volts or so ... dunno about that particular opamp, but most old ones use a somewhat higher voltage compared to modern units
25:34 <Lemonizer> theres only one somewhat accessible nut but its stuck :/ and with an extender I dont get the required torque
26:24 <hsn93> T3sl4 --> https://snipboard.io/zOVlgn.jpg is this correct ?
26:57 <Lemonizer> 9v would be with 6x1.5v batteries I guess
27:05 <Lemonizer> idk if it fits
27:11 <hsn93> 1khz square (3v3 ac coupled) = (1.485Vrms @ sine 1KHz)
28:12 <mamalala> Lemonizer: go for 3+3 1.5v cells first... and try to figure out which one is negative, ground, and positive
28:47 <Lemonizer> I can use supplies for that
28:59 <Lemonizer> the thing that sucks is that theres no leds
29:04 <Lemonizer> that would have helped a bit
29:28 <T3sl4> hsn93: and i got with 1x probe (Vrms = 1.48V) <-- i thought you got this, not 1.65
29:30 <mamalala> use a low current limit setting, like 10 or 20 mA for the opamp one
29:43 <mamalala> the other one should be even lower, i guess
30:12 <mamalala> stick a known resistor onto the "inputs" and follow the instructions
30:24 <mamalala> then you should see what works and what not
30:40 <Lemonizer> im going to try that a bit later I think yes
30:46 <Lemonizer> im really curious about this thing
30:54 <Lemonizer> it looks nice, and buttons/pots feels great
32:03 <Lemonizer> I need to figure out how to properly use the lcr meter too :>
32:06 <Lemonizer> its so confusing
32:53 <mamalala> well... maybe learn the basics of one thing at a time...
33:09 <mamalala> ... the hp scope should keep you occupied for half a year to get the basics :P
33:23 <Lemonizer> yeah im making a small list :> first learn how to use whats working, then fix stuff :P
33:29 <Lemonizer> yeah haha I figured some stuff already !
33:34 <Lemonizer> its really a nice scope :>
33:42 <hsn93> T3sl4: 1.65v is Vpk of square wave ...... convert it to foundamental sine wave = 2.1Vpk = 1.485Vrms ..
33:58 <Lemonizer> and it doesnt seem to be too much to fix honestly, I'll try to reseat the analog card to see
34:38 <T3sl4> where did you measure 1.48 then
35:50 <Lemonizer> mamalala on the objectives I have, theres :
36:36 <Lemonizer> cal-mem module :P the 18ghz plugin, fix the channel one of the 54201D, get some logic probes and learn how to use it
36:47 <Lemonizer> get an electrometer, a null meter maybe
36:53 <mamalala> forget about those
37:00 <Lemonizer> build a hamon divider/KV
37:03 <mamalala> first learn how to use the devices as they are now
37:08 <Lemonizer> ho ofc !
37:14 <Lemonizer> all that will come after
37:20 <Lemonizer> or if I get an insane deal
37:38 <mamalala> and probably forget about the cal-mem module as well... as you know they are some sort of unobtainium
37:48 <mamalala> yea
37:50 <Lemonizer> haha but that would be sooooo cool !
37:59 <Lemonizer> just to say, hell I got every options ! :P
38:14 <mamalala> the plug-in for the counter should be rather easy to come by... they pop up on ebay from time to time
38:20 <mamalala> haha
38:24 <Lemonizer> how much do they cost ?
38:25 <Lemonizer> usually
38:44 <mamalala> let's put it this way: you got all the options for the fluke that are actually documented in the service manual :P
38:54 <mamalala> depends
38:54 <Lemonizer> thats true yes x)
38:56 <hsn93> T3sl4 ,, well https://snipboard.io/mEZfD9.jpg
39:13 <mamalala> i have seen some for like 20 euros... untested, as-is.... sometimes for about 100 euros
39:23 <Lemonizer> ho thats decent
39:55 <mamalala> but then, be aware of what you actually need... the counter is already very good as is, several 100 mhz... unless you have a real need for more, you probably wonÄt need the plugin
39:57 <T3sl4> hsn93, Vrms of a square wave equals Vpk
40:05 <T3sl4> Vmax seems to be reading spikes or noise
40:23 <T3sl4> can zoom in on the waveform and see where it's looking
40:25 <hsn93> oooooooooh
40:33 <mamalala> i mean, how many circuits do you build where you need to check that a clock is accurate and stable, and that is also in the >200 or so MHz range
40:44 <T3sl4> so you measured a 1.48V square wave, which works out correctly, so it seems the FFT is reading about right
41:28 <Lemonizer> honestly mamalala, its not that I need it, its that I want it :P
41:35 <Lemonizer> I like to hunt for stuff !
41:38 <Lemonizer> but I dont want to pay a lot
41:50 <Lemonizer> so im just waiting for neat deals like I did for the rest of my stuff
42:21 <mamalala> hehe, i can relate to that :)
42:30 <hsn93> T3sl4 but i dont know how it gets 1.48 there is no spike https://snipboard.io/K4YCx7.jpg
42:43 <hsn93> thats why i considered it 1.65
43:23 <T3sl4> shrug
44:05 <Ampera> I like Vmax without the m
44:29 <hsn93> the m ?
44:29 * Ampera co1ls T3sl4 up into a ball and rolls him down the street
44:34 <Ampera> hsn93, Vax
44:38 <Ampera> or rather VAX
44:47 * T3sl4 whees like a lil piggy
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45:11 <Lemonizer> I also need something to measure temperature up to at least 0.1C accuracy]
45:17 <hsn93> i see
46:08 <mamalala> hsn93: you really should read the scopes manual, and also read up on some of the basics of digital signal processing
46:34 <mamalala> all the stuff you ask or wonder about is pretty well documented in many, many places
47:08 <Lemonizer> but sometimes it feels better to have a person to chat with :>
47:32 <Ampera> Lemonizer, I'm basically here all day now at this point
47:34 <mamalala> Lemonizer: well, now that you have the fluke, you can use a simple PTC or NTC or platinum sensor, and derive the actual temp from the resistance :)
47:39 <Ampera> not that I wasn't before
47:53 <Lemonizer> hmmm lemme look :P thanks
48:08 <mamalala> i think a platinum sensor is more linear, iirc
48:16 <mamalala> and they are somewhat cheap as well
48:24 <hsn93> mamalala the manual is actually opened after u suggested to me im comparing and verifying from results i've go + math
48:47 <mamalala> since you can do 4-wire with the instrument, you can use PT100 or PT1000 sensors with no issue, i guess
49:01 <Lemonizer> what accuracy can I expect with those ?
49:08 <Lemonizer> im looking at a PT1000 right now
49:49 <mamalala> Lemonizer: assuming that the fluke is still somewhat in calibration on ohms (which is not a given, since the working ohms module is a replacement), the deciding factor is the sensor
50:31 <Lemonizer> I need to get a cheap resistor standard to check that and other dmms, lcr meter too
50:34 <Lemonizer> but later
51:11 <hsn93> mamalala i like keysight labs youtube channel lots of great stuff
51:13 <mamalala> well, just get a 100, 1k and 10k resistor at 0.01% ... that will give you at least a good idea of what is going on
51:24 <Lemonizer> yeah
51:27 <mamalala> also, make sure to use a 4-wire setup then, if you want accuracy
51:34 <Lemonizer> yeah thats true
51:41 <Lemonizer> I can use those kelvin clips from the lcr meter
51:44 <Lemonizer> ha wait no I cant
51:52 <Lemonizer> bnc terminaisons
52:15 <mamalala> hsn93: looking at pretty videos is one thing ... reading a manual front-to-back is another ... and actually understanding what is written there is yet another thing
52:33 <hsn93> lol
52:40 <mamalala> Lemonizer: you can get bnc to banana converters cheaply
53:01 <mamalala> but then again, it all depends on what level of accuracy you want :)
53:05 <Lemonizer> yeah but idk if its worth it, I planned to get or make new kelvin clips anyway
53:13 <Lemonizer> id be happy with a true 0.1C :>
53:44 <Lemonizer> https://www.picotech.com/accessories/pt100-sensors/pt100-tenth-din-2m
53:52 <Lemonizer> those would be nice honestly
54:01 <Lemonizer> the fluke will be more than enough right ?
54:28 <Lemonizer> im not getting one today but just taking informations
54:45 <Lemonizer> I'll need an adapter
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58:28 <Ampera> So we're agreed then, that's how we restore communism to the world order.
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