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07:30 <K> hello
07:30 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
07:34 <K> pfft
20:02 <Ysjoelfir> XD
23:29 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure Ampera already implemented a catch in the bot like: if (text="hello"){ if (user="K"){ certainty_of_answer == 85; } else{ certainty_of_answer == 35% }}
23:29 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
23:40 <Ysjoelfir> löl
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> Hi EevBlog Bot :)
23:53 <Lord_of_nothing> Re
24:00 <Lord_of_nothing> How does everyone here feel?
24:11 <Ysjoelfir> backpain, but other than that: great
24:30 <Lord_of_nothing> yes me to
24:53 <Lord_of_nothing> I must install the table who have a motor inside to bring them to my size
25:28 <Lord_of_nothing> and the windows update suck a little
27:49 <Lord_of_nothing> yey my first 3d movie arrived today
31:11 <Ysjoelfir> uugh, movies :P
31:15 <Ysjoelfir> Have fun watching it :)
48:02 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
49:00 <steve30> hello
49:16 <steve30> aww
49:54 <K> hello
53:17 Nick: hsn is now known as EEVB1og
53:32 <EEVB1og> Hello there, K!
53:32 <EEVBlog> Hello there, EEVB1og!
53:46 Nick: EEVB1og is now known as hsn
53:51 <steve30> hehe
54:24 Nick: hsn is now known as EEVB1og
54:30 <EEVB1og> Hello there, steve30!
54:31 <EEVBlog> Hello there, EEVB1og!
54:43 Nick: EEVB1og is now known as hsn
54:48 <steve30> Hello there, hsn!
55:03 <hsn> this is wierd bot
59:36 <hsn> jenkins being used in embedded huh ?
01:51 <Ampera> lol the bot is responding to its own hellos
02:04 <Ampera> I should probably add a check for it to not do that, but it's kinda funny
03:52 <steve30> nah, it responded to eevb1og
04:18 <hsn> 1 = one
04:29 <Ampera> er
04:33 <Ampera> good lord
04:34 <hsn> ;P
04:43 <hsn> im leet brah
04:51 <Ampera> /kick hsn
05:03 * hsn signed out (reason:kicked out)
06:27 <hsn> i imagine if it does wouldnt it go into infinite loop of echos ?
06:48 <Ampera> It shouldn't parse any of its own messages
06:51 <hsn> or u really implement (percentage of reply) ?
06:53 <Ampera> since it only parses what gets sent by the server
07:01 <hsn> yeah right
07:08 <Ampera> but I trust nothing I write ever so
07:21 <hsn> same here ..
09:26 <hsn> are you familier with misra C ?
10:45 <Ampera> no, no clue what that is
10:49 <Ampera> despite potentially a variant of C
11:31 <hsn> C guide line
11:32 <hsn> MISRA C is a set of software development guidelines for the C programming language developed by MISRA (Motor Industry Software Reliability Association). Its aims are to facilitate code safety, security, portability and reliability in the context of embedded systems, specifically those systems programmed in ISO C / C90 / C99.
11:36 <steve30> Last week, I'd never heard of Billie Eilish. This week, she seems to be in every news page I come across.
13:13 <Lemon> I just got the wavetek !
13:17 <Lemon> sad thing is one handle broke :/
13:35 <Lemon> the guy really well packaged it, but you cant beat france postal services heh
13:48 <Lemon> I guess they played some soccer with it or something
13:50 <K> beat them with the bokren handle
14:28 <Lemon> im going to glue it, at least for aesthetics
14:32 <Lemon> but is sucks
16:35 <Ampera> oh great I have to do mandatory sex harassment course stuff (and IT bullshit)
16:45 <Ampera> but what's hilarious is the course is a flash application
17:25 <K> haha
17:42 <Ampera> it's throwing me back to when I played flash games off newgrounds
19:28 * steve30 touches Ampera 
23:35 <Ampera> It's all low res audio, janky animations, and clipart
23:48 <Ampera> with we care about not caring about you lingo
30:01 <Ysjoelfir> I am just astonished by german traffic laws right now...
30:22 <Ampera> I know they're insane, you can't traffic people at all
30:55 <Lemon> I glued back the handle, well better than nothing
31:12 <Ampera> it's also hilarious that all of these situations are male on female harassment
31:52 <Ysjoelfir> the news lady was like: there was this accident on Autobahn whoknowswhich. many cars crashed. sadly, people didn't let the ambulance pass [which is finally forbidden by law since last year!] which caused several people to die. Now those who blocked the ambulances have to face SEVERE penalties of COMBINED UP TO 4000€.
32:25 <Ysjoelfir> I was like "well, 4000€ doesn't sound that much for several people dying. but maybe it was only one or two person that blocked the ambulance"
33:09 <Ysjoelfir> no, it turned out that there were 20 (!!!!!!) cars blocking the ambulance! so, UP TO 4000€ divided by 20 people is... 200€ per person. wow. what extraordonarily high penalties
33:21 <Lemon> a joke
33:29 <Ysjoelfir> no, i'm totally serious
33:37 <Lemon> when theres one behind me and I cant put me on the side, I simply go faster
33:41 <Ampera> well were they even able to move?
33:49 <Lemon> I can get a fee or whatever
33:54 <Lemon> but at least im not blocking them
33:55 <Ampera> I find it hard to believe that 20 people all together absolutely didn't budge maliciously
33:59 <Lemon> (reasonnably faster)
34:38 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera: Just to clarify it, the law says that you HAVE TO make space even when traffic STARTS to jam. so by law there MUST be a place for the ambulance, police, movers and whatnot to get to the accident fast.
34:50 <Ampera> but what if you can't
35:02 <Ampera> what if you're on the highway, things are slammed shut, and there's 0 place to move
35:19 <Ampera> which is entirely likely if there's been a major accident on a narrow highway
35:47 <Ysjoelfir> then they broke the law in the first place.
35:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and we are not talking about the first say 100 cars
36:07 <Ysjoelfir> thats absolutely fine, no law saying anything against that
36:17 <Ysjoelfir> we are talking about people kilometers away from the accident
36:31 <Ampera> but the question is were the able to move at the time the knew the ambulance was coming
36:53 <Ampera> and were they capable of, and did they take action to let the ambulance past ASAP
37:43 <Ysjoelfir> I think I didn't clarify enough^^ You don't have to know anything is coming. the law says that you have to prepare for an ambulance if traffic STARTS to jam, even if you don't know if it will stall completely. traffic gets slower: move your ass over and make space between the first and second lane from the left
38:19 <Ampera> sounds like something nobody would ever do
38:25 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
38:36 <Lemon> and by design you ahve to ride either on the right, or on the left (depending on your country)
38:36 <Ysjoelfir> well, many people do it nowaday, but many don't
38:40 <Lemon> not in the middle of the road
38:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats also true.
38:50 <Lemon> if you follow that, its fine
39:18 <Lemon> especially when I need to go through time, I need some space
39:37 <Lemon> with my dear ford fusion tri-turbo v12 48 vavlves
39:47 <Lemon> vavlves yes
40:23 <Lemon> so yeah this weekend im going to mamalala's house
40:30 <Lemon> seeing how they treated my wavetek
40:33 <Lemon> and the triplett
40:45 <Lemon> what will happen to those two pieces, coming from germany this time ?
40:56 <Lemon> and I'll get to thank him personnaly
42:19 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera: that's hot it's not supposed to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMCs3RB6dR4
42:30 <Ampera> at work, will watch it later
42:33 <Ysjoelfir> and this how it should work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kPT7VHVTb8
42:35 <Ysjoelfir> ok :)
43:06 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir !
43:16 <Lemon> do you know what is the 'GCV out' ouput ?
43:23 <Lemon> on the wavetek 164 sweep gen
43:31 <Lemon> can I try to plug it to my scope ?
43:51 <Lemon> in general, do I risk anything doing that ?
45:15 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not realy sure what it is. but I personally am pretty confident connecting stuff to my (old, analog) scopes, they are pretty robust - at least when the voltage is lower than a few hundred volts, which I would assume on the wavetek
46:03 <Lemon> yeah ok thats what I was thinking
46:03 <Ysjoelfir> even though, doing something stupid can blow your scope right to heaven, but since you aren't measuring on high energy circuits I doubt anything serious could happen when you feed something from your signal generator to the scope
46:15 <Lemon> im trying to use the sweep gen
46:22 <Lemon> yeah 400v max for the scope I think
51:20 <Lemon> for example the TRIG mode
52:16 <Lemon> the generator will give one complete cycle of output when the MAN TRIG is pressed or for each cycle of signal applied to TRIG IN. The generator ouput cycle begins and ends as determined by the TRIG START/STOP control. Since the internal sweep operates indenpendently it can be used to provide a repetitive trigger signal by connecting the SWEEP OUT to TRIG IN
52:28 <Lemon> but if I hit the man trig switch, nothing happens
53:37 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, i had that problem once with those waveteks.... but I cant remember what it was
53:46 <Lemon> ho noooo
53:50 <Lemon> dont tell me its not me doing it wrong
54:19 <Ysjoelfir> I'm pretty sure it was a PEBKAC-Error, so don't worry^^
54:38 <Lemon> whats a pebkac ? :>
55:04 <Lemon> because yeah no matter the mode, I cant get it to do something
55:12 <Ysjoelfir> A "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair"-Error^^
55:18 <Ampera> lol
55:21 <Lemon> ok I was thinking similar
55:22 <Lemon> xd
55:30 <Ampera> also known as problem ID=10T
55:40 <Ysjoelfir> or an error on OSI Layer 8^^
55:49 <Ysjoelfir> (was it 8? i think so)
57:01 <Ysjoelfir> jep, layer 8
05:42 <Lemon> hmm I fear some stuff isnt working
05:51 <Ampera> shut up, I'm working
05:54 <Ampera> it just doesn't look like it
06:06 <Ysjoelfir> same here!
06:11 <Lemon> like the Set Dc OFFSET switch to+ and rotate the VARIABLE control full CW. The amplitude should be approx +5V into a 50ohm load
06:19 <Lemon> whatever I do doesnt change shit
06:26 <Lemon> and im on the right ouput
06:58 <Ysjoelfir> AC coupling?
07:14 <Lemon> yes
07:22 <Ysjoelfir> switch that to DC
07:27 <Lemon> I tried, nothing
07:53 <Lemon> OUTPUT ATTENUATION switch does nothing too
08:00 <Lemon> im following the manual to test functions
08:36 <Lemon> wait
08:44 <Lemon> they say to connect it to the trigger ouput on the scope
09:00 <Lemon> thats the regular ouput right ?
09:01 <Lemon> I mean
09:11 <Lemon> theres only those anyway
09:39 <Lemon> it gives me some sort of weird square wave
10:36 <Lemon> again they ask for a load
10:39 <Lemon> maybe im doing it wrong
10:42 <Ampera> you're a load of weird waves
15:38 <Ysjoelfir> well, you should indeed use a proper termination. trigger out is a special output on a scope. the "regular" connectors are inputs on a scope ;)
16:06 <Lemon> yeah I dont have those on my scope
17:06 <Lemon> well seems I need to connect some things between other things on the waveform gen to make the man trigger button work
17:12 <Lemon> I dont f ully understand everything honestly
18:04 <Ysjoelfir> I wouldn't think about those speciall uses yet. you won't need them soon. try getting a stable wave from the regular outputs. if that works, if you can make it sweep and regulate stuff like offset and frequency I would say its fine
18:41 <Lemon> well I can make it sweep from left to right
18:43 <Lemon> thats it
18:59 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector! you here?
19:06 <Ysjoelfir> sounds great :)
22:10 <Lemon> but that bothers me for the other thing that doesnt work
22:24 <Lemon> the function gen part works fine tho
22:26 <Lemon> well it seems
24:41 <Lemon> some stuff looks a bit jumpy
26:12 <Lemon> well at least it makes waveforms up to high freq :> well, more than 2mhz :>
33:21 <Ysjoelfir> jumpy = really jumping? that would be pretty normal for an old wavetek, mine had dirty pots. just move them around 1000 times and it gets better
34:14 Quit: hsn ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
34:34 <Lemon> its only one, the slope/width
34:39 <Lemon> but its manageable
34:51 <Lemon> ima bit sad that one handle broke
35:00 <Ysjoelfir> I understand that
35:08 <Ysjoelfir> I once bought a nice LeCroy scope
35:08 <Lemon> the guy packaged it so well... I wonder what it been through
35:12 <Ysjoelfir> one of the first digital ones
35:19 <Ysjoelfir> but mine was badly packaged
35:35 <Ysjoelfir> and the kickstand handle broke clear off and scratched the screen
35:46 <Lemon> aw...
36:01 <Lemon> for me money is less valuable than those pieces of history
36:34 <Ysjoelfir> true, but don't fall in the rabbit hole and overdo it. I once was there and now I try to give the history to other people, since I cant use it all
37:12 <Lemon> yeah thats true
37:18 <Lemon> but what I have, I take care off
37:32 <Ysjoelfir> I try to remember which lecroy that was....
38:27 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes. a LeCroy 9400 it was
39:20 <Lemon> what was his quick specs ? like bandwith, etc
39:23 <Lemon> I cant look it up
39:27 <Lemon> but lecroy are nice devices for sure
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> 1988, 125MHz, nice amber CRT digital scope, two channels, 100Ms/s per channel, 5Gs storage
41:33 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and loud as fuck
42:14 <Lemon> pretty neat thingie :>
42:28 <Ysjoelfir> and it was a beauty
42:29 <Ysjoelfir> https://media.sciencephoto.com/t5/40/00/51/t5400051-800px-wm.jpg
42:34 <Ysjoelfir> I realy love amber screens
44:20 <Lemon> shit I think I just broke a piece of a teeth
44:21 <Lemon> brb
44:38 <Ysjoelfir> I have an old black/white TV that I intend to use in a retro room when I ever get to live in a house. I would love to have additionally a nice old amber CRT and an old TV.
44:49 <Ysjoelfir> You aren't supposed to eat the wavetek. that might hurt
49:23 <Lemon> alright its on one that need to go anyway
49:40 <Lemon> the lecroy is nice yes
49:45 <Ysjoelfir> still you shouldn't eat waveteks
49:55 <Ysjoelfir> next time it could be a teeth you want to keep
49:59 <Lemon> it was some special K's
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51:47 <Ysjoelfir> oh ok. loosing teeth to those is ok
51:57 <Ysjoelfir> however, I'm leaving work now. cu
52:39 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Connection closed
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08:47 <DHess_US> I just read the manual for the LeCroy 9400. It is filled with marketting lies and a piece of junk.
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52:30 <DHess_US> Damnit, I cooked bacon and forgot to eat it.
53:53 <Ampera> DHess_US, you absolute monster
54:22 <Ampera> they should reopen Alcatraz just for you
57:42 <DHess_US> I forgot to eat the bacon!
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27:01 <Pelop> Hello , can anyone recommend me any practical books for electronics please
28:53 <K> how pratctical?
30:00 <Pelop> Not too much , i am a first year electronic engineer , i want to advanced my practical levels at Labs
32:27 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) EOF from client
38:14 <K> um.
38:27 <K> how about The Art of Electornics?
39:46 <K> or maybe even "Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course" ?
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45:47 <Ampera> Toasters for Dummies is pretty practical
45:53 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely!
45:58 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir
46:09 <Ysjoelfir> We like our toasters
46:26 <Ampera> good, Pelop is a toaster fanatic
46:56 <Ysjoelfir> who?
47:31 <Ampera> Pelop
48:44 <Ysjoelfir> Woah! A new user?
49:17 <Ampera> perhaps
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13:40 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o ThunderSqueak
17:35 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing
36:32 <rust_collector> morning, people
36:57 <Lemon> hello
39:08 <Lemon> hey rust I got my wavetek today, guess what
40:42 <rust_collector> it has a broken button?
40:57 <Lemon> one of the handles got broken during transport :/
41:03 <rust_collector> perfect
41:08 <Lemon> but the dude really, really did a great job packaging it
41:14 <Lemon> so idk what they did with this poor thing
41:26 <rust_collector> Well, I have some ideas
41:40 <Lemon> I glued it back, at least for aesthetics
41:43 <Lemon> its alright
41:48 <Lemon> at least it works well
41:58 <rust_collector> as long as it is just a handle
42:13 <rust_collector> so! PICS!!!???
42:17 <rust_collector> !!
42:26 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
42:38 <rust_collector> hey!
42:39 <Lemon> sure gimme 2 minutes, im overheating like fuck
42:40 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, just chilling and contemplating what to do with this extremely frizzy hair
43:00 <rust_collector> Hmm, I think you should just ignore it
43:18 <ThunderSqueak> it really is frizz
43:21 <rust_collector> You could be like me, and all the hair just fall off
43:23 <ThunderSqueak> omgods frizz
43:28 <ThunderSqueak> uhm, no
43:44 <ThunderSqueak> also pretty rare for women to lose their hair
44:05 <Ampera> probably quite common for someone to misplace it if they're bald
44:34 <rust_collector> i think the hair growth parts of me fell off a small shelf inside my head, so now I just have hair growing out of my ears, it feels like
45:26 <Lemon> shit now I have it pictured
45:30 <Lemon> thanks a lot
45:41 Quit: Pelop ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
45:50 <ThunderSqueak> you just grew past the hair line
45:53 <rust_collector> My uncle had hair that curled up to sort of an afro, when it was wet
45:54 <Lemon> my hair is starting to get really long
46:31 <ThunderSqueak> hmm my hair is just long, very fine strands, but very thick as in there is a lot of it
46:44 <Ampera> my hair is insanely thick
46:48 <ThunderSqueak> and luckily in only 2 places on my body :P
46:48 <rust_collector> I am wondering if I should just get rid of the leftover hairs
46:54 <Ampera> and all over my body
46:54 <rust_collector> hah
47:06 <rust_collector> only one place....all over
47:08 <Ampera> I probably would grow it on the bottom of my feet if I waited long enough
47:13 <ThunderSqueak> omg rofl
47:28 <rust_collector> that would be so nice in winter
47:30 <ThunderSqueak> that is a horrible picture ampera, especially since I know what you look like XD
47:43 <ThunderSqueak> you did not look THAT fuzzy
47:45 <ThunderSqueak> XD
47:53 <ThunderSqueak> my little brother... he is a yeti
47:58 <ThunderSqueak> all 3 of them are
48:21 <ThunderSqueak> the youngest has so much chest hair it poofs out of the top of his shirts O.o
48:24 <Ampera> you know what I look like?
48:27 <ThunderSqueak> yes
48:29 <Ampera> huh
48:32 <ThunderSqueak> you showed me
48:35 <ThunderSqueak> :>
48:40 <Ampera> guess I lost track of that one, I try to keep track of who knows what about me
48:51 <Ampera> maybe I should start keeping an active log instead of a mental one
48:53 <ThunderSqueak> we have had some pretty long talks <.<
49:01 <ThunderSqueak> you should know that
49:04 <ThunderSqueak> :>
49:05 <rust_collector> pro internet stalker
49:09 <Ampera> yeah but I don't have a long memory
49:22 <Ampera> I try to shave off most of my hair anyways, which normally works fine except for my face
49:23 <ThunderSqueak> at least it isn't like a clown fish
49:23 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/Q4WOy8U heres the new boi
49:38 <Lemon> with his broken right arm
49:58 <rust_collector> he is pretty cute
50:09 <rust_collector> And that is not a thing I say often
50:14 <ThunderSqueak> hmm https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329483988500611086/679160072630435870/86389368_123836985842385_755467249669636096_n.png?width=575&height=684
50:51 <Ampera> what is that, I'm on an iBook
51:02 <ThunderSqueak> first thing I saw when I googled clown fish
51:11 <ThunderSqueak> O.o
51:44 <Lemon> and he works well
51:45 <rust_collector> Maybe google is getting really good at knowing you
51:52 <Lemon> theres a few things I cant try
51:57 <Lemon> but waveforms in general are fine
52:17 <rust_collector> I think you should try this:
52:21 <rust_collector> Lemon,
52:23 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/gallery/zgN2CVQ
52:54 <Lemon> happened twice to me already, wont try again
53:03 <ThunderSqueak> "If a clownfish female partner dies, it will change gender and mate with it's children in order to reproduce. This information ruined finding Nemo for me."
53:26 <ThunderSqueak> "No wonder he wanted to find him so bad"
53:31 <Lemon> ho also rust_collector
53:37 <Lemon> i am going to germany this weekend, thats it
53:38 <Ampera> that just shows a level of biological efficiency that us humans lack
53:52 <Lemon> I want those two pieces to be safe from postal services
53:57 <Lemon> and thank mamalala personnally !
54:02 <rust_collector> not a bad idea
54:05 <Ampera> Lemon, like Germany has good postal services
54:07 <Ampera> lol
54:21 <Lemon> yeah im not trying germany+france for 30kg of gear
54:30 <Lemon> fuel will cost just a bit more so no big deal
54:44 <Lemon> and I get to drive a bit, which I love to do
54:51 <rust_collector> but it sounds like you will have grilled kitten, so that is something
55:53 <Lemon> heh afterall
57:13 <rust_collector> so, one day driving. take some pics here and there
58:12 <Lemon> a good 7-8h yeah
58:29 <ThunderSqueak> my gerbil is drumming her feet :D
58:33 <rust_collector> ok, so it is not that bad. I thought it was 6 each way
58:38 <ThunderSqueak> she looking for a mate <.<;;
58:59 <ThunderSqueak> I tapped on the table a few times and she started trying to answer back
59:13 <rust_collector> haha
59:33 <Lemon> 7-8h each way
59:38 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
59:45 <ThunderSqueak> gerbils are so cute :D
59:51 <Lemon> thats 6h30, so add some breaks to that
59:57 <Lemon> to go to essen
00:18 <ThunderSqueak> I should hook up a rotation counter on their wheel that shows distance run every day
00:31 <rust_collector> I guess essen is too close to the border, so you can not use the proper roads much
00:49 <Lemon> ho in fact thats mostly highway
00:52 <ThunderSqueak> could use foil tape and an LED/photosensor setup I guess
01:10 <rust_collector> Hmm, that is not a bad idea, or a generator, you could charge your laptop with gerbilpower
03:13 <rust_collector> maybe one of those sensors that count lines, like in a printer.
03:23 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/2020-02-19-135649_1024x768_scrot.png
03:37 <rust_collector> so you can figure out acceleration rate and such
03:46 <ThunderSqueak> hmm, was just going to count rotations and have a micro do the math and display it on a cheep lcd
03:53 <Ampera> my ibook
04:25 <ThunderSqueak> hmm more complicated than I want for irc :P
04:31 <Lemon> I wonder what are doing those people always on here but never chatting
04:40 <ThunderSqueak> I chat o.o
04:51 <ThunderSqueak> but then, I also leave when I am not chatting
05:03 <ThunderSqueak> I think they are vender bots.... or people waiting for dave ?
05:05 <ThunderSqueak> who knows
05:07 <Lemon> yeeah you chat but theres a lotta here I never saw once for weeks :>
05:12 <Lemon> maybe !
05:15 <Ampera> it's not all that complicated, I basically use dwm as a fancy terminal mux
05:20 <Ampera> the client is just weechat over ssh
05:21 <ThunderSqueak> perhaps they just masturbate in the corner
06:00 <ThunderSqueak> sadly most of them are probably guys <.<
06:08 <Ampera> that's sexist
06:08 * ThunderSqueak always feels so outnumbered
06:12 <ThunderSqueak> it is
06:31 <ThunderSqueak> but when you are often the minority in the engineering circles...
06:42 <Ampera> when you start thinking about how people are different to you, then you start to isolate yourself
06:43 <ThunderSqueak> you start noticing it
06:55 <Ampera> it doesn't matter how people are different, it matters that they are people, and that they're just as valuable as anyone else
07:10 <ThunderSqueak> hmm no, you start isolating yourself when people start hitting on you or asking you to get them coffee
07:18 <ThunderSqueak> <.<;;
07:33 <Ampera> nobody here's done that
07:48 <ThunderSqueak> no, but has happened at 3 different engineering firms now
08:14 <Ampera> you ever think that they're all being dicks to each other (not that I'm trying to excuse anything)
08:19 <ThunderSqueak> 4 times if you count the IT business I used to run
08:22 <Ampera> and that everyone gets harassed
08:50 <ThunderSqueak> it is a different harassment o.o
08:53 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
08:57 <Ampera> idk I try to think the best of people and situations, it's a failing
09:18 <ThunderSqueak> well yeah... I used too as well ^^
10:23 <Ampera> I also have thick skin, so people doing that to me wouldn't bother me much
10:51 <ThunderSqueak> so how is life going these days anyway Ampera
11:07 <Ampera> Well I have a job now (which I am currently at)
11:11 <ThunderSqueak> anything fun, interesting, or new ?
11:24 <ThunderSqueak> cool, I lost mind o.o;; but that is ok for now
11:34 <ThunderSqueak> lost mine*
11:44 <Ampera> I'm doing QA which is
11:46 <Ampera> it's something
11:49 <Ampera> pay's excellent though
12:08 <ThunderSqueak> there has been a conflict at the company I worked at, so... things are in flux
12:49 <ThunderSqueak> I was told to not look for new work, and that I and the other lead engineer would be paid normally... while we wait for the dust to settle
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14:08 <Ampera> so you've still got cash coming in?
14:32 <ThunderSqueak> technically I guess
14:36 <ThunderSqueak> even without the job
14:47 <ThunderSqueak> so, not worried
14:55 <ThunderSqueak> just bored atm tbh
15:02 <ThunderSqueak> I hate sitting and waiting
15:19 <Ampera> I did that for about a year
15:29 <ThunderSqueak> so, I have been painting
15:32 <Ampera> it did interesting things to my mind, things not so good
15:37 <ThunderSqueak> which I showed some yesterday
16:01 <ThunderSqueak> yeah... I get cravings for alcohol again when times like this happen and that is not good
16:07 <rust_collector> I have never had more stuff to do, than the year or two I did not have a job
16:13 <ThunderSqueak> it took me a long time to admit, but I am an alcoholic
16:16 <Ampera> My mom has put me off serious drinking forever
16:23 <ThunderSqueak> the last time I quit, required medical intervention
16:24 <Ampera> that shit will fuck you up
16:36 <ThunderSqueak> the stupid thing, I dont even like how it tastes
17:02 <Ampera> don't have to, addiction is addiction
18:02 <ThunderSqueak> but the last time ... I went into seizures when I tried to stop...
18:03 <Lemon> alcohol is strange
18:16 <ThunderSqueak> I dont want to repeat that, apparently my body has no mechanism to break it down
18:20 <Lemon> its one of the two drugs that withdrawals can kill you
18:22 <ThunderSqueak> I turn bright red
18:30 <Lemon> the other being benzos
18:41 <Lemon> which you get to stop alcohol cravings :>
18:43 <Lemon> at least in france
18:47 <Lemon> for depression, too
20:05 <ThunderSqueak> ah, I just quit cold turkey, the next day I was scaring my employees by flopping like a fish on the floor
20:13 <ThunderSqueak> that was a decade ago
20:17 <DHess_US> DTs.
20:24 <ThunderSqueak> yeah
20:38 <ThunderSqueak> I dont drink now
20:44 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens
21:07 <DHess_US> The other thing might be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
21:16 <ThunderSqueak> there have been a few times I have given in... like when I broke up a while back... I drank 6 large bottles of vodka
21:25 <DHess_US> I don't have a problem with alcohol. I just do not have any interest in it.
21:26 <ThunderSqueak> then saw what I was doing
21:28 <ThunderSqueak> so I stopped
21:45 <ThunderSqueak> took a lot of willpower and I get extreme cravings
21:58 <ThunderSqueak> and it is stupid
22:17 <DHess_US> I mix tequila with my cough syrup which is DMX and that is it.
22:46 <ThunderSqueak> so yeah.... took me a long time to admit ... I have a bad relationship with booze
22:50 <DHess_US> alcohol is a cough suppressant but now they usually leave it out of medicine.
23:21 <DHess_US> So I buy the alcohol free cough suppressant and add my own alcohol to it.
23:26 <ThunderSqueak> ah
23:33 <ThunderSqueak> well I dont ^^
23:38 <ThunderSqueak> too tempting
23:52 <ThunderSqueak> tbh, I threw the cooking wine I had away yesterday because I was craving bad
24:07 <DHess_US> And as a bonus, one bottle of expensive cough suppressant becomes two bottles.
24:15 <ThunderSqueak> it was actually getting tempting (I dont buy "cooking wine" I buy real stuff if the recipe calls for it)
24:25 <DHess_US> I've never cooked with alcohol.
24:52 <ThunderSqueak> I was upset and anxious with myself
25:11 <ThunderSqueak> sadly, my fiance knows how I feel...
25:16 <ThunderSqueak> she has the same issues
25:26 <ThunderSqueak> I wish she didnt know it tbh
25:35 <ThunderSqueak> but, it is nice to talk to someone who understands too
25:40 <ThunderSqueak> :/
26:18 <DHess_US> The only thing I learned when I drank socially is that I can drink more than anybody I know.
26:49 <ThunderSqueak> hmm should I be worried, my cousin, who is a shrink... just texted me about one of my paintings... saying that after work she is going to call me and have me explain it XD
27:37 <rust_collector> if it is on the phone, I would not get too worried
28:06 <ThunderSqueak> lol it is on the phone, she lives on the other side of canada :P
28:52 <rust_collector> ok, so if she was knocning on your window at 3 in the morning, waving your painting, I would probably be more worried
28:59 <ThunderSqueak> lol
29:46 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, I would be like "why didn't you tell me you were going to show up!!!! come in! Lets play video games, drink hot cocoa, and talk like we were kids again" :P
30:01 <ThunderSqueak> I miss just sitting down with my cousins and talking
30:28 <ThunderSqueak> in our jammies, on the bed, just talking about whatever ^^
30:35 <ThunderSqueak> too bad people grow up :P
30:47 <rust_collector> arrrgh, grownups
30:52 <ThunderSqueak> ikr
32:53 <rust_collector> I am trying to find out when the wife will be back, so I can make dinner, or forget about making dinner... but nooo... no answer there
33:46 <ThunderSqueak> hmm I hate it when that happens
34:06 <rust_collector> she is shopping in sweden
34:16 <Ysjoelfir> I just installed my "Smart Garden".
34:22 <Ysjoelfir> Ah,m so she will be back in 2 hours rusty
34:31 <rust_collector> no, she is not me
34:48 <rust_collector> smart garden
35:35 <rust_collector> I have done my swedish shopping trip in 25 minutes, from I cross the border, till I cross back again
36:45 <ThunderSqueak> I have never been to sweden... or norway... or europe <.<
36:55 <rust_collector> one interesting thing about shopping in sweden, is that norwegian made nails are really cheap there
37:30 <ThunderSqueak> just all over NA (USA, Canada, Mexico), Asia (india, japan, thailand, korea, etc)
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38:25 <rust_collector> I live one half hour boat ride, and... 45 minutes driving from sweden, so we (she) tends to go shopping there every few weeks
38:35 <ThunderSqueak> ah
38:48 <ThunderSqueak> I mail order almost everything...
39:05 <ThunderSqueak> such is the life here in alaska, especially with how boarders work these days
39:06 <JoePublic> Hello -- I am having trouble tracking down a type of pin, where can I find it? I am trying to find crimp terminals for the JST-SM that support double crimps (the default ones seem to break apart when trying to put two wires in there)
39:06 <EEVBlog> Hello there, JoePublic!
39:43 <JoePublic> *crimp pins
39:58 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, and you tried normal sources like digikey ?
43:38 <JoePublic> yes
43:58 <JoePublic> I think the typical pin is called "SYM-001T-P0.6" but I couldn't find one that seemed to support double crimps
44:50 <ThunderSqueak> tbh I have not seen one
44:58 <ThunderSqueak> the crimp tool I have is single anyway
45:32 <rust_collector> i have driven a bit around europe for work. across poland, thru germany down to italy, as little as possible in france, plenty in holland-land, but i never really saw much, being a dumb driver, that just goes where he is supposed to.
45:50 <ThunderSqueak> add an extra pin on the board and just jumper it and have two pins if it needs that much strain releif ?
45:59 <Ampera> cor I could do with a nice ham & mayo sandwich
46:03 <Ampera> with some classic lays
46:12 <rust_collector> I have to settle for my pizza
46:26 <ThunderSqueak> tuna fish sandwich is my plan for later
46:32 <JoePublic> i am trying to shorten a phantek halo which has wires out into one connector and then into a second connector for daisy chaining
46:44 <JoePublic> but to recreate the intermediate connector i need to double crimp
47:08 <rust_collector> you need 2 wires, not 2 crimps?
47:13 <Ampera> tuna would go good too
47:14 <JoePublic> it has three wires
47:22 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, yep :D
47:27 <Ampera> I think I might make this week a sandwich week
47:37 <Ampera> just spend all of my food money on sandwiches
47:52 <ThunderSqueak> I have been eating salad
47:56 <ThunderSqueak> salad week
47:58 <Ampera> I cannae eat salad
48:08 <ThunderSqueak> but, thinking tunafish sammich later
48:16 <rust_collector> I have problems with tuna. I do not like it on bread, and not in other things, but it is ok right out of the tin
48:21 <Ysjoelfir> Rusty, how about some nice polse i vaffel?
48:21 <Ampera> There was actually someone who was peddling beef barley soup at work, and I had ordered some for today on Monday
48:28 <Ampera> 3 bucks for a measily 12 oz of soup loaded with veg
48:31 <Ampera> blech
48:43 <ThunderSqueak> soup soup
48:47 <ThunderSqueak> I do those weeks too
49:00 <rust_collector> pølse i vaffel is an østfold thing, I am vestfold
49:08 <ThunderSqueak> I cannot wait until my future wife is off work
49:11 <ThunderSqueak> :D
49:17 <ThunderSqueak> looking forward to seeing her
49:48 <Ampera> where does she live?
49:53 <Ampera> oh, you mean tonight?
49:54 <ThunderSqueak> across town
50:05 <ThunderSqueak> until her lease is up, then moving in
50:17 <Ysjoelfir> I know^^ thats why you have a nice Grandiosa tonight :)
50:18 <ThunderSqueak> and yeah, she is just at work
50:44 <rust_collector> not even a grandiosa...
50:53 <Ysjoelfir> :O
50:54 <ThunderSqueak> her work would scare me....
50:59 <Ampera> webservers are fucking eating shit today
51:12 <Ysjoelfir> what else could there be if not a grandiosa?
51:14 <ThunderSqueak> she teaches violent autistic kids
51:16 <Ampera> they give us fucking potatos to do QA on
51:19 <Ysjoelfir> and what does she work squeaky?
51:23 <Ysjoelfir> yikes oO
51:39 <ThunderSqueak> she comes home with wounds from work sometimes
51:40 <ThunderSqueak> :/
51:59 <ThunderSqueak> most the time they are ok, but some get... moods
52:21 <ThunderSqueak> the other day, one of them looked at her and said "you know what... you are a nice bitch"
52:25 <ThunderSqueak> O.o
52:28 <Ampera> lol
52:34 <Ampera> I'd have a hard time not laughing my ass off
53:03 <ThunderSqueak> apparently now that she has a ring on her finger, they want to meet me too O.o
53:10 <Lemon> I worked two years with autistic kids, not violent hopefully
54:04 <ThunderSqueak> one time, when she was talking about space travel, one of the kids was like "Miss Ashleigh should go to space!!!!"
54:43 <Ampera> the question on my mind is if you do marry, whose, if any, name changes?
54:51 <ThunderSqueak> I am taking hers
54:57 <ThunderSqueak> we already talked about it
55:01 <Ampera> just curious
55:18 <ThunderSqueak> mostly because, it sounds pirate as fuck XD
55:34 <Ampera> Ashleigh?
55:46 <ThunderSqueak> no, my name after I take her last name
56:01 <rust_collector> captain...
57:32 <Ampera> but you just said her last name was Asleigh
57:35 <Ampera> er, Ashleigh
58:07 <ThunderSqueak> no, that is her first
58:15 <ThunderSqueak> that is what the kids call her
58:24 <ThunderSqueak> *shrug*
58:53 <ThunderSqueak> I just go with it and it is cute :D
59:19 <ThunderSqueak> arguing with autistic people is generally a futile effort
59:29 <rust_collector> captain parrotlegs?
59:36 <ThunderSqueak> not saying
59:39 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
59:42 <rust_collector> hah
00:20 <rust_collector> good thing there are degrees of authism
00:31 <ThunderSqueak> A priest, minister, and rabbit walk into a bar. The rabbit says, "I think I might be a typo."
02:10 <Ysjoelfir> lol, nice one
06:25 <ThunderSqueak> rust_collector, ikr
06:38 <ThunderSqueak> people used to wonder if I was autistic :/
07:05 <ThunderSqueak> but, it was just severe depression
07:26 <Lemon> if you listen to recent studies, everybody is autistic
07:46 <ThunderSqueak> might be, it is one of the next stages of our evolution...
07:48 <ThunderSqueak> <.<;;
08:07 <rust_collector> that sort of makes sense
09:07 <Lemon> bah idc, as long as I can get new test gear
09:28 <rust_collector> "new"
09:34 <Lemon> new to me :>
09:36 <rust_collector> just 70 years old
10:16 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, did you try to do anything with the tube resistor thingies?
10:52 <Lemon> like turning it off and on again
11:39 <ThunderSqueak> I am all tense again :/
11:41 <ThunderSqueak> oh well
15:02 <Ysjoelfir> not yet rusty, didn't have the time
15:16 <rust_collector> Ok, that was food, now painkillers. YAAY!
15:19 <rust_collector> ok
16:33 <rust_collector> are you going on a trip this weekend too?
18:35 <Ampera> if autism is the next stage in our evolution, that would suggest that more autistic people mate than non-autistic people
18:41 <Ysjoelfir> no, I have to help the girlfriends parents to carry out the... sperrmüll. big trash. furniture and stuff
20:03 <Lemon> sounds realistic to me Ampera
20:25 <Ampera> Lemon, where's the reasoning behind that?
20:33 <Ampera> I mean I have no numbers, but that sounds to me somewhat suspicious
20:52 <Ampera> do we even know if autism is genetic?
21:41 <Lemon> thats a kind of joke :>
21:46 <Lemon> but people are getting dumber and dumber
21:48 <Lemon> thats for sure
21:59 <Ampera> autism != dumb
22:08 <Lemon> I know, hence why I said it was a kind of joke
22:19 <Lemon> we tend to say autistic a lot here, instead of dumb
22:27 <Lemon> but we use another names for autistic
22:28 <Ampera> you dare JOKE on IRC?
22:34 <Lemon> I dared !
23:00 <Ampera> you cheeky son of a fish
33:14 <rust_collector> Now, I want to find one of those ugly old meters, like the ones Lemon likes so much, and do a video about it, but I will put on one of those screen protector films, with the little pull tab
33:55 <Lemon> they are beautiful
34:12 <rust_collector> yes, I really like those film protector things too
34:32 <Ysjoelfir> like a multavi or what?
34:46 <rust_collector> yeah, like that stuff
35:48 <Ysjoelfir> I could sell you one
36:06 <rust_collector> meh.
36:08 <Ampera> I will pay you one hundred DM for it
36:25 <rust_collector> sold!
36:41 <rust_collector> why do you have dm?
36:49 <Ampera> I don't and was joking
36:54 <Ampera> and wish I did because they're cool
37:20 <rust_collector> and yes, it is one of the next big currencies, so it could be nice to have some
38:04 <Ampera> lol you and your optimism
38:11 <rust_collector> did east germany use dm?
38:13 <Ampera> the Euro might as well be the DM
38:23 <Ampera> no they used daddy stalin's whacky bucks
38:35 <rust_collector> mmmh, but it is not. it is tainted by other states
38:36 <rust_collector> ok
39:40 <rust_collector> I really hope the euro somehow crash, and stops existing. it is one of the worst ideas, imo
40:08 <Ampera> It's not a terrible idea, it's just one that's been spread too far
40:16 <rust_collector> well, it does not have to crash, but I guess that is the only way it will stop existing
40:23 <coppice_> The Euro must have been promoted by people who wanted to break the EU
40:29 <rust_collector> yeah
41:27 <rust_collector> I guess that is the one good thing about it
41:44 <coppice_> Britain should never rejoin the EU unless it gives up on the Euro, because an obvious condition of joining would be adoption of the Euro
44:19 <rust_collector> Well... Imo, they should never rejoin at all, euro or not. now with what the eu has become
45:15 <rust_collector> but mmhmmmm yesss. I should go do nothing at all
47:14 <rust_collector> yep, good night people
47:49 <Lemon> night boi
48:32 <rust_collector> night old man
48:56 <JoePublic> $10 to anyone who can find the right crimp terminals for those
49:06 <JoePublic> i'm super tired of searching lol
49:09 <Ampera> I only accept payment in Yugoslav Dinars.
49:28 <Lemon> I take old francs
49:57 <Ampera> I also take Italian Lira
51:05 <coppice_> I want precious metals. Give me precious
53:20 <Lemon> anyone here got one of those anneng 8002 or whatever ??
53:28 <Lemon> minus one ?
53:44 <Lemon> I wonder if construction wise its close to the fluke 101
53:50 <coppice_> I have an AN8008
54:06 <Lemon> ha nice
54:11 <Lemon> how is it construciton wise ?
54:17 <Lemon> feels decent or like shit ?
54:28 <coppice_> its nothing like a fluke 101, but its nothing like the price of a fluke 101
54:42 <Lemon> well its 33 euros delivered
54:49 <Lemon> but yeah those are like half no ?
54:52 <Lemon> or a third
55:01 <coppice_> mine was more like $15
55:02 <Lemon> im really impressed by the 101
55:27 <coppice_> the 101 is pretty basic
55:44 <Lemon> yeah but for around the house honestly, its perfect
56:51 <Lemon> for the price im impressed by its construction
57:01 <Lemon> theres not a bit of flex etc, comes with decent probes
57:27 <coppice_> meters should be cheap. there isn't much to them. most are horribly over priced
58:07 <Lemon> well most of it is design, protection and construction
58:19 <Lemon> I admit most are overpriced, but I never buystuff new, except cheap things
58:47 <coppice_> rubbish. multimeters are one of the few instruments made in such big numbers the NRE is vanishingly small
03:29 <Lemon> yeah but still, even if some are overpriced, theres a minimum price to pay, for materials, salaries, some research in design etc
03:36 <Lemon> but I admit that flukes for example are outtaprice
03:41 <Lemon> and not only flukes
04:00 <Lemon> thats why I get everything second hand at low prices
04:25 <coppice_> are those 33 euro flukes genuine, because they are normally about twice that price
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05:31 <Ampera> coppice_, maybe they're just a fluke
05:52 <Lemon> yeah, thats their regular price when bought from where they come from
06:01 <Lemon> assambled in korea/china if im right
06:04 <Lemon> or taiwan maybe
06:05 <coppice_> I've always found fluke a weird name for an instrument maker
06:17 <Lemon> im honestly impressed by it
06:28 <Lemon> I mean for 33 euros, even from china, its great
06:41 <Lemon> function wise, no big deal
06:47 <Lemon> but construction is really good
07:06 <Lemon> protections are decent, especially compared to every meters under 50 euros
07:28 <Lemon> well I wouldnt use it for high voltage stuff anyway
07:44 <coppice_> protections cost very little. poor protection is mostly about poor design
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09:59 <Lemon> you know on low price stuff, 'very little' can differentiate a viable product to sell from not viable :>
10:11 <Lemon> sure it should be mandatory
10:20 <Lemon> but they take shortcuts, because of the cost
10:34 <Lemon> if it was really nothing they'd do it
10:38 <coppice_> nope. they take most of the shortcuts because they are dumb
10:44 <Lemon> to sell better than who dont do it
10:50 <Lemon> nah not just that
11:00 <Lemon> its not hard to add protections
11:20 <Lemon> making a product from A to Z, and make a factory runing is harder
11:24 <coppice_> its not hard, but its still beyond most engineers
13:43 <Lemon> im pretty sure cost is the number one reason to most design problems as we see them :> you get a low budget you have to work on
13:54 <Lemon> you add more feature ? or skimp on things the buyer dont see first
14:04 <coppice_> rubbish
14:07 <Lemon> most peeps buying them things arent like us
14:13 <Lemon> they just want a cheapass meter with features
14:18 <Lemon> they dont care about protections, etc
14:36 <Lemon> shit sells because of the huge list of 'features'
14:53 <Lemon> the product you pay 33 euros for
15:08 <Lemon> ebay takes some, paypal takes some, then you have to pay for materials, salary, stuff etc
15:19 <Lemon> how much is left? not much honestly
15:34 <Lemon> its already impressive that we are able to buy an anneng for 15 dollars and get that much
16:06 <coppice_> aneng should be making a big profit from that $15
16:36 <Lemon> boarf nah I dont think so, its the chinese way to do things
16:41 <Lemon> sell a lot, for a small profit
16:49 <Lemon> instead of fluke for example that makes big profit, but less sales
16:59 <Lemon> im not making that up
17:04 <coppice_> you have no clue, do you. try spending some time working with these people in china
17:59 <Lemon> ho well :> to late to argue honestly
18:19 <Lemon> to me it seems pretty obvious
18:28 <Lemon> im pretty sure I aint alone thinking that either but well
18:32 <Lemon> who really knows ?
18:36 <Lemon> im not a chinese manufacturer
18:43 <Lemon> maybe you are ?
19:15 <Lemon> I just think being 'dumb' isnt the reason for those things
19:27 <Lemon> they are far from being dumb :> they wouldnt make money if they were
19:33 <Lemon> or at least not in that area
19:40 <coppice_> I spend 25 years working in Asia with electronics manufacturers in Japan, Taiwan, Korea, China, Singapore, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc
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19:51 <Lemon> they'd keep selling stuff for a few cents on big marketplaces
20:28 <Lemon> so out of those 25 years
20:36 <Lemon> for you, being dumb is the number one reason ?
21:01 <Lemon> because for me, dumb people arent making things, nor money, or at least not that way
21:14 <coppice_> most product inadequacies that lead to either low sales or low prices are really dumb cheap to fix issues
21:16 <Lemon> they simply build horrible scam devices, or alike
21:25 <Lemon> ha ! yes, sure
21:31 <Lemon> but we werent really talking about that
21:39 <coppice_> yes we were
21:42 <Lemon> im sure anneng stuff sells well, so are other cheapo dmms
21:47 <Lemon> yet protection wise, well
21:56 <Lemon> cant say its impressive either
22:08 <Lemon> you were saying it cost nothing
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22:18 <Lemon> but why dont they add it if it cost nothing ?
22:23 <Lemon> theres nothing hard to do at all
22:30 <Lemon> yet they would sell even more :>
22:39 <Lemon> I think they dont do it because they dont care
22:46 <Lemon> because most people buying it dont care either
22:51 <Lemon> and it saves costs
22:57 <Lemon> thats pretty logical actually
23:03 <Lemon> but yes I agree, poor choices lead to poor sales
23:08 <Lemon> thats right and obvious too
23:18 <coppice_> take someone like Uni-T. They make a lot of meters. Some good, and some horrible. There isn't much in the BOM separating the good from the bad, but there are some serious attention to details issues. They have 2 main development centres. Show me a Uni-T product and I can take a good guess at which centre developed it
23:18 <Lemon> theres surely dumb manufacturers out there
24:11 <Lemon> ho thats surely right, I dont know much about uni-t products, I prefer older gear, as usually its better, cheaper and safer to use
24:18 <Lemon> but lets keep talking about the protection case
24:26 <Lemon> you dont agree with what I say ?
24:34 <Lemon> its pretty logical to me I mean
24:43 <Lemon> if it would sell better, and it cost nothing, and its easy to do
24:46 <Lemon> why dont they do it ?
24:53 <Lemon> if they can build a meter thats alright
24:55 <coppice_> how much cost is there in decent protection components?
24:57 <Lemon> they can surely do that
25:08 <Lemon> ho idk man, you said it cost nothing
25:33 <Lemon> for me im pretty sure if they dont do it, its for two reasons : because people buying it dont care, and because of costs
25:42 <Lemon> they prefer to spend that money on features, or other things
25:45 <coppice_> if you buy a replacement HRC fuse in one off quantities they look really expensive, but the cost to make one is very low
25:56 <Lemon> yeah ofc
26:55 <Lemon> so you say, the reason why they dont make such an easy, cheap thing to do, that would lead to better sales maybe is because they are dumb ?
27:10 <Lemon> I have a hard time buying that honestly
27:18 <Lemon> I totally agree with you that some make dumb decisions
27:22 <Lemon> that leads to no sale, or bad sales
28:07 <Lemon> but protection seriously, its not like its hard, but it does cost an extra, and it can be overlooked by 'basic' people buying it
28:14 <Lemon> so why not spend that money on other stuff that sells more ?
28:23 <Lemon> like, 'extra top mega features' haha
29:07 <Lemon> or build quality ? something that is seen from the first time you open the box
29:20 <Lemon> not something seen by hobbyist taking it appart
29:37 <Lemon> actually, its the same thing for everything
29:40 <coppice_> The main reason cheap meters have to sell at such low prices is protection issues. The Asian makers, like Brymen, that take reasonable care with this stuff can sell at a MUCH more attactrive price from their point of view
29:46 <Lemon> how many time ive seen that, at various places I worked at
29:52 <Lemon> 'better spend on visuals bois'
30:30 <Lemon> ho yes the overall price is surely that reason, I do agree
30:59 <Lemon> Im just not agreeing with what you said about protection, that they are just dumb by not making it, not being another reason like cost, etc
31:20 <coppice_> meters are a special kind of product. western companies aren't going to hand out iffy meters to their staff. decent protections is a gating issue in them choosing what their staff use
31:20 <Lemon> as you said, if its so cheap and easy to do
31:24 <Lemon> why dont they do it ?
31:40 <Lemon> yeah thats totally true
31:49 <Lemon> also, firms tend to spend on big brands
32:08 <coppice_> some, like Brymen have. many are crippled by the Walmart supplier mentality that pervades Chinese electronics companies
32:32 <Lemon> yeah brymen sounds to be the exception
32:43 <Lemon> usually thats what, fluke, agilent, brands like that ?
33:00 <Lemon> if a random chinese boi pretty competitive and better would come
33:09 <Lemon> it would be hard for them to be bought by big firms
33:14 <Lemon> because of their new name
33:26 <Lemon> same for every other products in the world actually
33:33 <Lemon> we buy brands most of the time, not the product itself
34:20 <coppice_> buying brands is becoming really iffy. most brands are now prepared to put their name on some really nasty bought in stuff
34:42 <Lemon> yeah and yet, a lot of 'dumb' firms still buy them
35:00 <Lemon> I think chinese manufacturers are overall not that dumb
35:06 <Lemon> acutally, pretty clever
35:15 * steve30 ponders a Lemon brand multimeter
35:19 <Lemon> popping out of nowhere, earning some cash
35:30 <Lemon> in a place thats ultra competitive
35:42 <Lemon> heh ! Lemonizer dmms
35:46 <Lemon> coming soon bois !
11:35 <Lemon> id love to get more into accurate measurements
11:55 <Lemon> getting nice standards, calibrators... just to calibrate my stuff, to measure standards :>
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39:57 <T3sl4> aw Halcyon's not here https://i.redd.it/v3ojvgqegxh41.jpg
59:12 <T3sl4> or https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingDerps/comments/f6bfcy/funky_birds_utterly_bamboozled_by_seed_pic_on_bag/
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10:09 <Ysjoelfir> hi
11:17 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
11:29 <Ysjoelfir> Hi T3sl4 :)
12:12 <Ysjoelfir> I guess I found the reason for the IMHO strange behaviour of the resistors
16:29 <T3sl4> oh?
16:34 <Ysjoelfir> si
16:48 <Ysjoelfir> take a look at this old graph: https://snipboard.io/tSEjci.jpg
17:17 <Ysjoelfir> it shows the "phenomenon" pretty good. (texts say "switching on, setting to 10VA, setting current to 16A)
17:42 <Ysjoelfir> you see that the resistances DROP suddenly when you increase the current.
18:21 <T3sl4> what is "resistance"? actually a ratio of measured voltage to applied current?
19:23 <Ysjoelfir> true. But Would you expect it to jump DOWN? in an anti-exponential way?
19:50 <T3sl4> dunno, bad kelvin leads?
20:41 <Ysjoelfir> nope, they were good, I checked. Additionally I measured several other resistors and finally found a few that don't do this. (uploading image)
21:34 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/tgCvkz.jpg you see, the Arcol resistor behaves as I would expect it, the TE one... I don't know, imho, that is a strange behaviour for a resistor, isn't it?
22:06 <Ysjoelfir> (and yes, I get paid for thinking about fucking power resistors for over three weeks now.)
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30:20 <T3sl4> pretty solid NTC
32:50 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, we are talking about a variance of -0.22% for a current change of 15.5A versus 0.07% for the arcol one. thats pretty substantial imho. And it is a problem as we have four of those in the decide, basically connected in series, so that would make nearly -1% over the complete current range the device is specified to work with.
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33:18 <Ysjoelfir> *in the device
35:24 <Ysjoelfir> taking into account that the spec for the completed device is 2%, I have a pretty big problem here.
37:34 <rust_collector> that was a short day at work
37:49 <Ysjoelfir> when did you start rusty?
37:54 <rust_collector> 5
37:59 <Ysjoelfir> lol
38:03 <Ysjoelfir> thats short indeed
39:39 <T3sl4> right
39:58 <rust_collector> I have 2 shifts tomorrow, and there was nothing important to do today, so I just did the thing I had to, and went home. It is nice to work for someone that does not ask questions when I say "I will do it like this"
40:52 <Ysjoelfir> same here :) yes, it is realy nice :)
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24:10 <rust_collector> hm, I got a laser pointer, I mean a distance measuring device. I like how it calculated area and volume, if you measure all the directions, and have read the instructions
31:37 <Ysjoelfir> I like those, pretty handy things
49:25 <rust_collector> meh, i will do like mr steve, and snuggle up in my duvet, lol
52:30 <steve30> hi
53:27 <steve30> mmm, duvet
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21:40 <Lemon> ;o
32:09 <Ysjoelfir> :D do that rusty. I sit here in my cozy work chair, drink some sugar free vanilla coke, listen to music and calculating stuff with resistors
38:18 <steve30> I have to go out in a bit, but its windy and rainy :(
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38:39 <Halcyon> Evening all
38:57 <steve30> hi Halcyon
40:39 <Ysjoelfir> Poor Steve :(
40:41 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
40:47 * Ysjoelfir has to restart, brb
40:50 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
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41:40 <Halcyon> Why poor Steve?
41:44 * Ysjoelfir returned
41:52 <Ysjoelfir> He has to go out and its windy and wet
44:05 <Halcyon> Aww
44:10 * Halcyon throws Steve some sunshine
44:19 <steve30> yay
45:03 <Ysjoelfir> I can only give you more wind and rain. Do you want some?
45:14 <steve30> nope
46:12 * steve30 afk
47:03 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, my dearest more or less fin!
47:12 <Halcyon> Heh
47:12 <Ysjoelfir> I just learned how to say cheers in finnish
47:14 <Halcyon> Hello :)
47:26 <Halcyon> Why? They speak English over there :P
48:32 <Halcyon> I am making Japanese curry with rice tonight
48:34 <Halcyon> Should be nom
49:19 <Ysjoelfir> A friend of mine made his dual bachelor on the ... lets see if i can get it together... Helsinki Metropolia Amattikerkeakou and he told me the word right now^^
49:22 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/17-minute-creamy-japanese-chicken-curry-recipe/m8untj1q
49:31 <Halcyon> I've had that before, it's quite delicious, but I also add chilli
49:50 <Halcyon> No idea what that is.
49:55 <Halcyon> My Finn is a bit rusty :P
50:02 <Ysjoelfir> Aaah, we love japanese curry :) it's so different to other currys from around the word :) so creamy and rich
50:45 <Ysjoelfir> he says it is.... erm.... Hölökynkölökyn
51:39 <Ysjoelfir> looks scary at first but is actually pretty easy to pronounciate imho. I think I will add that to my vocabulary of totally unneccessary words to know
52:55 <Halcyon> Hahah
53:36 <Ysjoelfir> it should fit well beside the Poronkusema (finnish, the range a reindeer can move before it has to pee, which is around 7.5 kilometers) and Defäkieren (german, a very, very, very polite word for "to poop")
54:03 <Halcyon> Hahaha
55:52 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, speaking of totally unneccessary things: I got a "smart garden" as a gift.
56:53 <Ysjoelfir> A workmate gave me that as a pre-birthday-gift. I guess I must have complained to much about being unable to keep kitchen herbs alive
04:20 <Lemon> heh its neat
04:28 <Lemon> im glad to have my mothers garden :>
07:17 <Lemon> ho also, the Vref has been calibrated/adjusted just before shipping for free !
07:20 <Lemon> it was in the price
08:23 <Ysjoelfir> We have a big Planter on the balcony. I build that one from scrap wood some years ago, nice project :) Every year I can harvest onions, garlic and Leek from that. Tomatoes get to big and drop of the roof, that would be bad.
08:38 <Ysjoelfir> But for kitchen herbs... like rosemary, thyme and sutff... I always manage to kill that stuff
08:55 <Ysjoelfir> just last month I bought two new pots of said herbs. They are deat now. No Idea what I do wrong
09:36 <Lemon> maybe you water them too much ?
10:05 <Ysjoelfir> So he got me that "smart garden". which is basically "Nespresso" for greens. You buy expensive substrate capsules with saplings already integrated, plop those into the smart garden hydroponics basin and it will water them and shine light on it for 16 hours a day
10:09 <Halcyon> I'll be back soon, need to disconnect my phone
10:16 <Halcyon> (Still haven sorted the router out yet)
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10:59 <Ysjoelfir> nah. I got that watering thing sorted out I guess. I assume it is because the kitchen has rapidly changing temperatures as we have no exhaust. so when cooking, the window gets opened and the temperature drops substantially
13:32 <Lemon> yeh it can be weird sometimes, some thyme I had that was dead for months ended up blooming everywhere alone
14:06 <Lemon> ok make a bet
14:11 <Lemon> will I get my lcr meter today ?
14:32 <Lemon> its been a week or two now, and I got the fluke 101 faster, which I ordered after the lcr meter
14:54 <Ysjoelfir> We'll see what that smart garden thing is capable of. I think it's a neat idea, but its to expensife imho. www.amazon.de/Emsa-M5261900-Indoor-Garten-passend-Kräuterkapseln/dp/B07H6D6Z2J
15:10 <Lemon> omfg
15:11 <Ysjoelfir> and the capsules are 10€ for 3 plants.
15:24 <Lemon> 160 euros ???
15:39 <Ysjoelfir> I doubt that your lcr reaches you today. I bet it got somehow damaged and the post office keeps it for "repackaging"
15:40 <Ysjoelfir> jep
15:42 <Lemon> for a few cents of growing stuff
15:45 <Ysjoelfir> good that I didn't buy that
15:54 <Lemon> ho speaking of damage
16:00 <Lemon> you know those two cpus in my workstation
16:06 <Lemon> those neat e5 2698 v3
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> I haven't met them personally, no
16:16 <Lemon> that I got for an insane price of 250 euros each
16:24 <Lemon> guess what ? one day I get to the mail box
16:45 <Lemon> and I see a soaked up paper letter in a bag 'hey we found this damaged stuff we packaged it for you blabla'
16:48 <Lemon> ok I open it
16:56 <Lemon> both cpus were there, no protections, all soaked
17:05 <Lemon> needless to say, I was a bit shaky
17:19 <Lemon> gl finding 16c32t cpus that are somewhat recent for that price
17:28 <Lemon> gladly they worked fine but the poor dude...
17:38 <Lemon> trust me, he didnt made any profit on that one
18:13 <Ysjoelfir> I am pretty sure. your post office seems to be great :D
18:28 <Lemon> ho ofc, its overpriced, they dont give a shit
18:34 <Lemon> but the best of the best
18:38 <Lemon> is one called 'GLS'
18:48 <Lemon> out of 3-4k ratings online they got 0.8/10
19:00 <Lemon> I used them 5 times (didnt had the choice), never got my parcel
19:08 <Lemon> theres countless videos of them
19:13 <Lemon> throwing stuff, stealing it etc
19:21 <Lemon> I dont understand how it can still exist
19:41 <Ysjoelfir> bah, I hate GLS
19:47 <Ysjoelfir> but DPD is even worse
24:19 <Lemon> dpd ? well I had no problems with them
24:47 <Lemon> I get approx 90kg of dog/cat food every 1,5 months with them
25:33 <Lemon> ho I have a question btw, for the Vref, it sates it needs 15v for supply
25:40 <Lemon> but its not a fixed value no ?
25:48 <Lemon> can I throw it like 16v something ?
25:53 <Lemon> 4 x 18650 cells
27:14 <Lemon> it will be from 14,8v to 16.8v
28:51 <Ysjoelfir> can you link it again pls?
28:59 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LM399H-10V-Precision-voltage-Reference-Calibrated-LM399/254402062436?hash=item3b3b8b6864:g:RtsAAOSwPA1cOaqw
29:06 <Ysjoelfir> usually that shouldnt be a prob but lemme look
31:01 <Lemon> thanks bud
31:44 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, that should be ok. the LM399 is uncritical as usuall, since it is just a diode and a heater "more or less". the heater is capable of..... what was it... 30V?
32:02 <Lemon> I have no idea !
32:13 <Ysjoelfir> the lt1001 is specced at +-22V maximum supply, so your single ended 16V is fine
32:16 <Lemon> really I kinda bought it blindly :>
32:25 <Ysjoelfir> I looked it up, 40V for the LM399 heater
32:41 <Lemon> well perfect then, I'll chose nice samsung cells, and use those vruzend no solder kits
32:53 <Lemon> I have a nice lipo charger
33:01 <Lemon> I'll maybe make some balance leads
33:22 <Lemon> I wonder the consumption of this ref
33:29 <Lemon> the batt will be 3ah
36:33 <Ysjoelfir> you could try to roughly calculate it :) would be a nice learning task
37:02 <Lemon> ho yes its easy, I just need to get my lazy ass looking at specs haha
37:14 <Ysjoelfir> then do it now :)
37:23 <Lemon> when I built my ebike, I learnt a lot in that area
37:26 <Lemon> that and batteries
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37:59 <Lemonizer> weird
38:52 <Ysjoelfir> thats a sign! it wants you to go and start calculating
39:10 <Lemonizer> hehhh well I'll begin once meds start kicking in, im really weak right now
40:37 <Lemonizer> I really cant wait for my lcr meter, its a valuable piece of equipement
40:44 <Lemonizer> that will allow me to test all my salvaged parts
40:53 <Lemonizer> and hopefull helps me to find faulty component :>
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41:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats true. I once dug through my piles of parts and threw away very much because it was just out of spec or so bad in spec that a new part would be the wiser and cheaper choice
42:11 <Lemonizer> yeah, I built the carlson capacitor leakage test, it was really easy to do and quite useful
44:22 <Lemonizer> id like to get a nice portable dmm but not now, im running low in cash
44:38 <Lemonizer> like a fluke 287, or something, at least 4,5 digit one with many features
46:02 <Lemonizer> but a thing i'd really LOVE to get is an electrometer :>
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> I love that thing, have it on my shelve, too. But I want a better case, I only had a plastic one at hand that time (or a waaaaay oversized metal one...), which is absolutely not ideal
48:03 <Ysjoelfir> (the carlson leakage thing)
48:34 <Lemonizer> ha nice ! mine is... horrible. I just soldered each components to others in air, it looks like a spider web :>
48:44 <Lemonizer> and I used multiple resistors in series xD
59:12 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
59:24 <Lemonizer> you know im really happy for this weekend
59:49 <Lemonizer> I cant wait to see those two pieces of gear, and mamalala, and his workshop, and cats and and.. :>
59:55 <Lemonizer> I just hope the car wont start acting up !
00:22 <Lemonizer> theres no much infos on the fluke 8502a, I got the manual, but not a lotta pictures
17:06 <Lemonizer> ho also, 10 pairs of silicone stackable 4mm test leads 50cm, for 20 euros with shipping, watcha think ?
17:09 <Lemonizer> im quite tempted !
21:29 <Lemonizer> no lcr meter, but a 5 euros resistor decade (with jumpers) and zener diodes
25:22 <K> hello
25:22 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
25:26 <K> yay
25:30 <Lemonizer> hi K :>
52:25 <Ysjoelfir> Well, if it acts up around Frankfurt I can at least tow you to a mechanic xD
52:39 <Ysjoelfir> Solicone cables are nice, but PVC is ok nowadays :)
52:42 <Lemonizer> yayy xd
52:43 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
53:00 <Lemonizer> well I want some nice silicone that doesnt keep its shape when bent
53:08 <Lemonizer> like my mueller dmm probes
53:19 <Lemonizer> but yeah 10 pairs of 50cm ones for 20 with shipping
53:22 <Lemonizer> sounds pretty good to me
55:32 <Ysjoelfir> its not bad, no :)
56:01 <Lemonizer> im reaching slowly my initial budget !
56:16 <Lemonizer> and well, I must say Im quite proud and happy, thanks to you and others who gave me nice tips :>
56:32 <Lemonizer> masterpieces will be from mamalala :P
57:42 <Ysjoelfir> I'm happy to help :)
58:05 <Lemonizer> me too, when I can :> but thanks a lot !
58:12 <Lemonizer> you gave me some valuable infos
58:30 <Lemonizer> I will make a list of what I've aquired once the initial budget is reached :>
58:47 <Ysjoelfir> dont forget to tell us :)
59:01 <Lemonizer> ofc that list and pictures will be for y'all :P
59:12 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
59:21 <Lemonizer> ho I might need some bnc cables !
59:25 <Lemonizer> I just have one atm
59:37 <Ysjoelfir> btw, didn't halcyon write something about "being right back"? :D that is quite a while now...
00:04 <Ysjoelfir> you can have some of mine, i have a ton. we toss those regularly at work but they are perfectly fine for home shop use
01:33 <Lemonizer> hoooo that would be cool !
01:45 <Lemonizer> cables can represent quite a cost sometimes
02:05 <Lemonizer> im glad I found those silicone leads for cheap, I bought some on aliexpress but well, it will maybe be useful one day :>
02:15 <Lemonizer> I need some crocodile clip on too, but good ones !
02:21 <Lemonizer> not those covered with slippery silicone
02:24 <Lemonizer> ghahh I hate those
03:20 <Ysjoelfir> I use veeeery old ones from my father, those are great. no idea who made them though
04:20 <Lemonizer> mueller maybe !
04:30 <Lemonizer> the dmm leads I have also come from my father :>
04:37 <Lemonizer> with his ths710a
24:28 <Lemonizer> alright time for a nap :>
24:30 <Lemonizer> see you !
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to nap, too. but here its only time for lunchbreak^^
25:19 <Ysjoelfir> Just wrote e-mails to TE, Riedon, Vishay, Isabellenhütte and Arcol. Let's see who answers.
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24:56 <rust_collector> I wonder what the hütte looked like
26:32 <Ysjoelfir> Isabellenhütte?
26:44 <rust_collector> yes
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> just take a look^^ https://www.isabellenhuette.de
27:46 <Ysjoelfir> in their image movie you can find some pics of the actual Hütte https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=wrubhNL_kCQ&feature=emb_logo
28:14 <Ysjoelfir> and you can see a virtual tour here: http://isabellenhuette.takeatour.de
28:39 <Ysjoelfir> I realy like their website, its nicely made.
28:40 <rust_collector> Imo, that is a bit much, for a hütte. It looks more like some normal buildings
29:53 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :D don't confuse hytta with hütte. A "Hütte" in german is, ok, also a small building, but also there is the word "Verhütten", which means smelting ores
30:16 <rust_collector> mmmh
30:17 <Ysjoelfir> so a Hütte can be either a small building or a very large building with a veeeery large oven inside
31:49 <rust_collector> I can not agree to that, but ok... Hmm, I have to look up something
33:08 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
36:16 <rust_collector> ok, wife and 2/3 of the kids, and some dogs left for the weekend. they are going to sit and freeze in a caravan
36:39 <Ysjoelfir> ok, sounds nice, if the caravan is heated^^
37:02 <rust_collector> it is, but I guess it takes a while to do much
37:40 <rust_collector> I hope she gets around to sell the other caravan soon
39:14 <Ysjoelfir> its always good to have several caravans!
39:20 <Ysjoelfir> i only have a klappfix
39:21 <rust_collector> no
39:26 <Ysjoelfir> why?
39:32 <rust_collector> it is never good to have even one
39:39 <Ysjoelfir> xD
39:50 <Ysjoelfir> so you dont like camping?
40:55 <rust_collector> because they are crappy built boxes on a badly designed trailer. they all leak and rot out, and if you are going to use it like a hytte, and even build a roof over it, why start with a horrible caravan?
41:28 <rust_collector> no, I can go camping, with a tent, or a cabin,
42:43 <Ysjoelfir> ok, those points I fully understand
42:49 <Ysjoelfir> that is why I have a Klappfix
43:38 <rust_collector> yeah, that makes much more sense, It is just that I know I need to rent a barn, so it can be "up" to dry out, after use
44:04 <rust_collector> because I am me, and weather never lets me dry out things
44:12 <Ysjoelfir> that is also true for me
44:38 <Ysjoelfir> which is the reason why I always have an additional big... erm... water tight plastic sheet thing... over the klappfix
45:20 <rust_collector> I have been looking at those where you have thin "real" walls, hinged, so you pop the roof up, flip up the walls, and lock them into place.
45:22 <rust_collector> but...
45:43 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuh, have to run, brb
45:49 <rust_collector> I think I look at those, just because they are different
45:54 <rust_collector> ok, RUN!!
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57:07 <Ysjoelfir> re. sorry.
57:33 <rust_collector> no worries, we have had tons of fun
58:18 <Ysjoelfir> thats great
58:33 <Ysjoelfir> so, I know those pop up things you mentioned. I think they are rather cool :)
59:08 <rust_collector> yeah, but I wonder if it is just that they are cool and stuff, or if they are very usable
59:29 <rust_collector> I am sure they do well enough, when it is set up
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