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00:05:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Another new State Of Electronics video! Colin Mitchell! https://t.co/jQw0DOr4Nc
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02:53:52 <Lemon> oi oi
02:54:09 <rust_collector> io io
02:54:24 <Lemon> heyyy rustyy
02:54:47 <Lemon> I havent bought anything today !
02:54:50 <Lemon> (yet)
02:55:10 <rust_collector> hmm, that is weird
02:55:49 <Lemon> im still looking for good cables tho
03:03:12 <steve30> hi
03:03:36 <Lemon> hello steve
03:05:25 <Lemon> hmmm pomona cables looks expensive for what they are
03:05:46 <Lemon> I want some nice banana male to crocodile clips, but nice crocodiles, not those tiny ones with slippery silicone on top
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03:08:20 <helpplz> hello every one any can recommend a good book about electronic repair or electrical circuit building
03:08:59 <Lemon> hello ! well for general electronics, The art of electronics seems to be a classic, you'll surely find precious informations with it
03:09:08 <steve30> Lemon, have you looked at Franky's ebay store 99centhobbies?
03:09:15 <Lemon> for repair precisely, I'll let others :>
03:09:19 <Lemon> no ! lemme check :>
03:09:45 <helpplz> all right ART of electronics
03:09:53 <helpplz> every one reads that ok ill get that
03:09:59 <helpplz> anything else
03:10:52 <steve30> Art of Electronics is a good book
03:12:00 <Lemon> ha he seems away, nothing is avalaible on his store
03:12:14 <helpplz> yah i dont see any books in the store
03:13:01 <steve30> :(
03:13:11 <helpplz> :( :O
03:13:36 <helpplz> steve you no any other books
03:14:16 <steve30> helpplz, I can't think of any good books off the top of my head. I've seen plenty of good ones in the past though. Is there any particular area of electronics you want to look at?
03:14:56 <helpplz> tv repair or circuit repair
03:15:59 <steve30> I'm sure I've come across books on those. Can't think of any off the top of my head though.
03:16:06 <helpplz> :(
03:16:33 <steve30> There is one which springs to mind, which I read at college, but I forgot the name.
03:17:23 <helpplz> How to Diagnose and Fix Everything Electronic, Second Edition
03:20:40 <helpplz> k thx guys bbl ima head to my local and pick up some greese and maybe some led's
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06:05:49 <MrMobodies> Hello
06:06:02 <rust_collector> hey
06:06:06 <steve30> hi
06:06:23 <MrMobodies> I brought that Corsair drive
06:06:35 <MrMobodies> for £100 based on negative reviews
06:06:39 <MrMobodies> which are little
06:06:58 <MrMobodies> I would like to see what memory they use behind the packaging
06:07:45 <MrMobodies> I got it from Scan on Ebay
06:07:46 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362889159783
06:07:50 <MrMobodies> I could bare to use their website
06:08:03 <MrMobodies> it looks awful I couldn't even find it in search
06:08:48 <MrMobodies> https://www.scan.co.uk/search?q=crucial+Mx500+SSD
06:09:11 <MrMobodies> just type something in the search on Scan, do you think it look terrible?
06:10:20 <steve30> hmm, could be better
06:11:30 <MrMobodies> I remembered many many years ago, I could see so much or product on the page, now it looks too bloated. But they trade on Ebay and when there is a problem I'd be on the phone to them.
06:11:41 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20120218203556/http://www.scan.co.uk/
06:11:43 <MrMobodies> Much better!
06:12:28 <MrMobodies> I look at the old copy and wonder "What they hell have they done to their website?"
06:12:39 <steve30> I seem to recall their website used to be useable
06:13:45 <MrMobodies> Useable... not anymore. Google and Ebay does a good job finding their stuff
06:14:16 <coppice_> what do you mean by type of memory? It says in the ad that its 3D TLC NAND
06:14:29 <MrMobodies> yes and what manufacturer too
06:14:36 <MrMobodies> or contractor for that manufacturer
06:14:40 <coppice_> they are the manufacturer
06:14:51 <MrMobodies> yeah for that one
06:14:59 <MrMobodies> I know Qimond made chips for Samsung
06:17:37 <coppice_> its a long time since Qimonda was in business
06:18:08 <coppice_> did they ever make flash? I thought they were just a DRAM maker
06:18:32 <coppice_> they had quite a spectacular collapse
06:19:17 <MrMobodies> I think I might confused it with some other manufacturer
06:19:29 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qimonda
06:20:07 <MrMobodies> I read an article about some join venture between Samsung and some other manufacturer where'd they made the chips and send it Samsung
06:31:15 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yInAw-9S3E
06:31:53 <DHess_US> Title: Nigel Farage's Hilarious Farewell EU Speech (Jan. 29, 2020) by TheOriginalMaxGForce [5m6s - 441 views - FRESH]
06:34:20 <MrMobodies> 1.70 "We are never coming back"
06:38:09 <rust_collector> good times! I wonder if you will get done with this while I am still alive, lol
06:39:13 <MrMobodies> The only thing I'd miss are the Voltcraft battery chargers from Germany where the import tax maybe higher
06:39:57 <rust_collector> well, stop breaking them, so you don't have to buy new ones all the time
06:40:28 <MrMobodies> oh they don't make them anymore
06:40:29 <MrMobodies> https://www.conrad.com/p/voltcraft-charge-manager-charge-manager-cm2020-10-slot-professional-universal-battery-charger-nicd-nimh-202020
06:40:37 <MrMobodies> I replaced a fan in one of them
06:41:18 <MrMobodies> I think it was 24v and I couldn't find the exact one so I went for a similar Papst
06:42:03 <rust_collector> that looks like a great way to waste space. What is so special about these?
06:42:19 <MrMobodies> they charge my batteries up really fast and they don't get hot
06:42:34 <MrMobodies> 1 amp and hour and I have them since 2006
06:43:00 <MrMobodies> It can do 1 amp or 2 amp, 4 amp for D cells for the first 4
06:43:07 <MrMobodies> serial data logger port in the back
06:43:22 <MrMobodies> Energizers lasted 7 years and so the Ansmann that I used alot
06:43:32 <MrMobodies> and now I replaced them with Eneloops
06:44:03 <MrMobodies> I have some SkyRC for the lithium cells but when I put AA's in them seem to get hot or anything above 500mah
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06:44:17 <Lemon> woops
06:44:26 <MrMobodies> they seem to charge the batteries differently
06:44:35 <rust_collector> uhm yeah, they would
06:44:47 <Lemon> damn I crashed again without realizing
06:44:56 <Lemon> I was wondering was everybody was so quiet
06:44:57 <MrMobodies> The charge manager doesn't always at 1amp when set,
06:45:01 <Lemon> thats annoying
06:45:14 <MrMobodies> It goes up and down, bu tthe Skyrc seems to charge at a set rate
06:45:24 <MrMobodies> quiet?
06:45:37 <rust_collector> quiet
06:45:43 <rust_collector> but it was pretty quiet
06:45:45 <Lemon> yeah nobody was talking
06:45:50 <Lemon> for about an hour
06:46:06 <Lemon> but no no it was just me that crashed, but no tips that it was the case
06:46:15 <Lemon> so I reloaded to be sure and voila
06:46:19 <rust_collector> what client do you use?
06:46:38 <Lemon> right now im on the browser
06:46:52 <Lemon> I should get mirc or any working one
06:46:57 <MrMobodies> here we go
06:46:57 <Lemon> mirc is still a thing ?
06:46:57 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/LMX0n3o.jpg
06:47:03 <MrMobodies> Oh yes
06:47:04 <Lemon> man it was like, 15 years ago ?
06:47:06 <MrMobodies> I still use it
06:47:18 <Lemon> alright
06:47:27 <Lemon> btw rust_collector I was saying
06:47:34 <Lemon> I saw those Triplett 630 vom's
06:47:39 <Lemon> and now I want one :(
06:47:56 <Lemon> I knew the micronta would start something lol
06:48:07 <rust_collector> If you want to have space to live, you should probably poke something sharp into your eyes
06:48:30 <Lemon> haha man dont worry, I still have some space left between the dozen airsoft replicas and the 300 rubik cubes :>
06:48:47 <MrMobodies> I remember Dave jones had one of analogue meters in his video, he said "It was the business it it's day"
06:48:56 <Lemon> I saw it yes !
06:49:02 <Lemon> many says its really great
06:49:05 <rust_collector> just after the war....
06:49:07 <MrMobodies> I think he said it was built in 1984?
06:49:10 <Lemon> they can measure up to 6kv, with the right lead
06:49:16 <MrMobodies> no calibration
06:49:17 <Lemon> ho its not older ?
06:49:23 <MrMobodies> oh
06:49:42 <Lemon> but I love the look
06:49:55 <Lemon> they are a tad expensive, as theres only some in the US
06:49:58 <Lemon> with much shipping
06:51:28 <rust_collector> it has to be very very special, to be worth buying in the us
06:52:20 <Lemon> well theres basically none here
06:52:55 <rust_collector> yeah, but it has to be something you reeeeally want
06:52:57 <Lemon> the 630 is from the 50s it seems
06:53:54 <Lemon> but it uses some weird 30v battery
06:53:59 <Lemon> I never seen those before
06:59:30 <Lemon> I fear the day when I'll want a spectrum analyzer
07:00:24 <rust_collector> I look forward to the day you figure you need a 3rd spectrum analyzer.
07:00:33 <Lemon> haha shiet
07:00:49 <rust_collector> and 14 bricks, as a counterweight for your bench
07:01:06 <Lemon> ho no worries for the desk, seriously I think it can support half a ton
07:01:22 <Lemon> its like, a solid 4-5cm of hardwood
07:01:30 <rust_collector> it does not take much to support half a ton
07:01:47 <Lemon> well, more than those random ikea desks
07:01:52 <Lemon> remember, its a desk :>
07:03:02 <rust_collector> the ikea desks are air and cardboard. In some ways, I like them, because they are so light.
07:03:12 <Lemon> thats not wrong
07:03:43 <rust_collector> you can grab them on one edge, and just lift them with your wrists, and that is... something
07:03:58 <Lemon> if they dont warp yeah
07:04:17 <rust_collector> I find them to be pretty nice and stiff, until you break them
07:05:10 <Lemon> yeah depends on the model
07:05:17 <Lemon> I still have a crappy one in my old bedroom
07:05:28 <Lemon> it literally fell appart in a few years
07:05:32 <Lemon> and I didnt abuse it at all
07:08:19 <rust_collector> I think I will sharpen my chisels and planes tomorrow. I have not bothered with that in a while, because I figured it would be winter, and I would not be outside doing anything.
07:08:49 <Lemon> thats a good idea
07:09:26 <rust_collector> it is pretty boring, but it is pretty relaxing too,
07:09:56 <rust_collector> I don't think they need much work, so it should be pretty quick
07:10:10 <Lemon> its rewarding once its done :>
07:10:17 <rust_collector> yes
07:11:49 <rust_collector> It looks like kid #1 is moving out in not too long. so I might get a hobby room in the house...
07:12:08 <Lemon> hooooo take care to not end like me :>
07:12:34 <rust_collector> I guess the wife might want it, because I already have the garage, and my little corner here, in the living room
07:13:01 <rust_collector> but she is just watching tv, and she does not need a room for that, lol
07:13:13 <Lemon> haha
07:13:34 <Lemon> man I love the superknips
07:13:40 <Lemon> its so satisfying to use
07:13:52 <rust_collector> makes things shorter
07:14:04 <Lemon> ho yeah, even without cutting anything
07:14:11 <Lemon> just playing with it, its really well made
07:14:18 <rust_collector> how do you like that spring thing on the side?
07:14:36 <Lemon> I love it, and the system to keep the legs from flying is dope
07:14:57 <Lemon> I used to collect leatherman pliers
07:15:11 <Lemon> I still have a few left, the most used ones are the mini micra, and a sideclip
07:15:25 <rust_collector> Ok, just make a list of things you did not collect, maybe?
07:16:05 <Lemon> hmmmm
07:16:15 <Lemon> damn you got me
07:16:28 <rust_collector> I quit buying leathermans, I had a tendency to break them in weird ways. usually just the tip of the pliers.
07:16:47 <rust_collector> I think I still have a few here and there, but I never use them
07:16:57 <Lemon> ho they are fragile
07:17:14 <Lemon> honestly I like them because how they look but they are far from being the ideal multitool
07:17:27 <Lemon> the sturdier ones are those victorinox ones
07:17:36 <Lemon> spirit X maybe ?
07:17:38 <Lemon> I forgot
07:17:53 <rust_collector> especially the ones you have to fold inside out, to use as pliers, but then the handles are just thin sheet metal edges...
07:18:10 <rust_collector> very comfortable
07:18:18 <Lemon> yeah thats true
07:18:27 <Lemon> they are nice for small work, electronics for example
07:18:37 <Lemon> to take out a small heatsink, or some stuff like this
07:18:41 <Lemon> but not for serious work
07:18:49 <rust_collector> yeah, they will short out all the things at once, lol
07:19:20 <rust_collector> I do like the tiny little saw. it is pretty effective, even if it is very small
07:19:43 <Lemon> ho yeah, I loved it on my wave
07:19:49 <Lemon> both of them got stolen sadly
07:20:11 <Lemon> but one of my favourite that I dont use is the flair
07:20:14 <Lemon> such a weird one lol
07:20:36 <Lemon> with a little fork, to eat snails
07:20:41 <Lemon> and a butter knife :>
07:21:48 <rust_collector> Ok, I won't need one of them then
07:22:05 <Lemon> ho def not, the only thing I use on it is the corkscrew
07:22:13 <Lemon> its the only leatherman with one
07:22:23 <Lemon> well, full size, theres a small one with it I think
07:23:29 <rust_collector> I have no need for a corkscrew either. this much be a french market thing
07:23:43 <Lemon> how will you open your wine bottles ?
07:23:59 <rust_collector> I just smash them on any hard surface?
07:24:08 <Lemon> understandable
07:24:14 <rust_collector> before stabbing people in the face
07:24:16 <Lemon> or against a tree, in a shoe
07:24:18 <rust_collector> I mean
07:24:23 <Lemon> hol up
07:24:33 <rust_collector> ok
07:24:57 <Lemon> well after all
07:25:01 <Lemon> to each his own I guess
07:25:06 <Lemon> who am I to judge ?
07:25:26 <rust_collector> my bottles have screw on caps. I am ok
07:25:28 <Lemon> one can perfectly stab people in the face with his own wine bottle paid with hard earned money
07:26:07 <rust_collector> well, it is the most useful thing I could think of, when it comes to wine bottles
07:26:46 <Lemon> thats true
07:26:52 <Lemon> man I love my new lab supply so much
07:26:57 <Lemon> it looks amazing
07:27:38 <Lemon> theres a piece I want but its somewhat hard to find
07:27:40 <rust_collector> yeah, it was looking good
07:28:04 <Lemon> I always forgot its model name
07:28:20 <Lemon> I think its a keithley, that measures up to terraohms, and femtoamps etc
07:28:23 <Lemon> analog meter
07:28:33 <rust_collector> mmhf
07:28:37 <rust_collector> ok
07:29:01 <rust_collector> that is probably not very usable "at home"
07:29:21 <Lemon> but perfect for some nuclear experiments
07:29:55 <rust_collector> you would probably need a nice steady temp and stuff, I guess?
07:29:59 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, I had to replace the aluminum electrolytic capacitors in my NiMH charger.
07:30:34 <Lemon> keithley 610c
07:30:59 <rust_collector> I think I have my old battery charger from the 80s in the attic...
07:31:09 <Lemon> http://www.testequipmenthq.com/datasheets/KEITHLEY-610C-Datasheet.pdf
07:31:44 <Lemon> the 617 is wonderful too
07:31:50 <Lemon> goes down to 100 attoamps I believe
07:31:55 <DHess_US> One of these, https://www.amazon.com/Powerex-MH-C9000-WizardOne-Charger-Analyzer-Batteries/dp/B003DIGKOG
07:33:31 <DHess_US> The capacitors were way underspecified. I replaced them with 40+ year old axial solid tantalums.
07:34:19 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bUnSZRRuk&t=87s rust_collector
07:36:21 <DHess_US> I've measured down to an absolute 2 femtoamps so probably 100 attoamp resolution.
07:36:48 <DHess_US> You can do it pretty easy with a selected LMC6081 if you want to be cheap.
07:36:48 <Lemon> wow, which gear was used for that ?
07:36:57 <Lemon> ha right !
07:37:03 <Lemon> with some maths thats doable
07:37:17 <DHess_US> Don't use it as a transimpedance amplifier. Use it as an integrator with a feedback capacitor.
07:37:38 <DHess_US> Measurement time is up to 10 seconds.
07:38:42 <DHess_US> A length of Teflon coaxial cable makes for a good integrating capacitor. If you make an air capacitor, it will pick up cosmic ray strikes.
07:39:35 <DHess_US> Resolution is limited by noise including cosmic ray strikes.
07:40:28 <Lemon> I think I've read a bit on that, but I'm honestly too much of a beginner to understand everything !
07:40:35 <Lemon> but thats incredibly interesting
07:40:54 <DHess_US> I'm not sure how to do better than a part like an LMC6081. Lower noise would be nice but that comes with a larger transistor which will leak more.
07:41:01 <Lemon> ive saw that for really high impedance resistors, even breathing on it could change the last 3 digits on a precise dmm
07:41:27 <DHess_US> Yea, they encapsulate them in glass which makes them easier to clean.
07:41:52 <Lemon> even touching the glass change their value :>
07:41:58 <Lemon> thats so impressive
07:42:29 <DHess_US> Incidentally, an LMC6001 is an LMC6081 tested for guaranteed low input bias current.
07:42:47 <DHess_US> Same part but different testing after packaging.
07:43:07 <Lemon> they do that often no ? lets say for resistors, they hand pick the better one and slap a different tolerance marking
07:43:16 <Lemon> same thing on waffers for cpus
07:43:23 <DHess_US> Cheap resistors do that.
07:43:25 <Lemon> and a lot of things I think
07:43:39 <DHess_US> It isn't the same for CPUs where they are functional tests.
07:43:49 <rust_collector> drugs...
07:44:26 <Lemon> well lets say they make 8 cores ones, if some got only 6 working cores, they'll sell them as 6 cores with two disabled cores
07:45:33 <DHess_US> What I mean is that for CPUs, the grading doesn't remove a significant number of the high clock parts from the population.
07:45:41 <DHess_US> It doesn't alter the distribution significantly.
07:45:59 <Lemon> thats true yes
07:48:22 <Lemon> I have really a thing for test gear
07:48:23 <Lemon> thats it
07:48:42 <Lemon> no walking back now
07:49:01 <DHess_US> Trying to think of how to design a super low input bias current buffer.
07:49:18 <DHess_US> Obviously bootstrap the transistor and the input protection.
07:51:23 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Triplett-Model-630-Black-Vintage-Analog-Volt-Ohm-Multimeter-Type-3-Suspension/274218442689?hash=item3fd8b15fc1:g:8lsAAOSw2kleJzaM if only the shipping wasnt 70 bucks...
08:21:47 <rust_collector> Lemon, didn't you want one of these things? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVnL01hqszs
08:22:19 <Lemon> ho they are beautiful but im not hunting one atm
08:22:28 <Lemon> they are fairly expensive, as nixie tubes are collectors
08:22:35 <rust_collector> but look at it!
08:22:36 <Lemon> but I love keithley of that age
08:23:03 <Lemon> a model 237, 617, and others
08:23:06 <Lemon> Id love them
08:26:30 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Avometer-Test-Set-No-1-High-Sensitivity-Model-Universal-Avo-Meter/202849545666?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Dbc354c6a51aa41849ef070ce6d87faf1%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D283675873572%26itm%3D202849545666%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c
08:26:30 <Lemon> 100010.m2109
08:26:34 <Lemon> im interested by those
08:28:44 <Lemon> id like one of those kind that goes up to several kv
08:55:46 <Halcyon> Morning all
08:55:54 <Lemon> hello
08:55:58 <rust_collector> moaning
09:07:49 <DogWomble_> insert appropraite greeting here
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09:09:46 <Halcyon> *yawn*
09:09:49 <Halcyon> Stupid bird woke me up
09:10:10 <raymondooo> Gawd, someone say sumfin
09:10:27 <Halcyon> Morning raymondooo
09:10:59 <raymondooo> Ah, its 22:15 here in the UK
09:11:24 <Halcyon> steve30 is probably in bed then
09:14:16 * Halcyon swats at Ampera
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09:15:26 * Ampera slaps Halcyon
09:15:31 <Halcyon> :)
09:15:37 <Ampera> how do
09:15:50 <Halcyon> Alright, playing with IPv6 again
09:15:57 <Ampera> Any luck?
09:16:23 <Halcyon> Not yet
09:16:40 <DHess_US> <Halcyon> Stupid bird woke me up
09:16:41 <Halcyon> I don't understand the "prefix interface" setting under WAN
09:16:58 <DHess_US> Say "Stupid avian dinosaur woke me up." It sounds more impressive.
09:17:03 <Halcyon> Haha
09:17:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, I can't find that in my pfsense
09:18:00 <Ampera> not when I set the IPv6 type to DHCPv6
09:18:23 <Halcyon> Oh it's under advanced options
09:18:39 <Halcyon> Maybe I don't need it, not sure why the instructions tell me to set that
09:19:00 <Ampera> what does it tell you to set it to
09:19:15 <Halcyon> The LAN interface
09:19:17 <Halcyon> But I have multiple
09:19:29 <Halcyon> I might just try with Advanced options turned off
09:19:33 <Halcyon> https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/aussie_broadband_ipv6
09:20:14 <Ampera> so you don't get a /64
09:20:15 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1114887337.htm/
09:20:18 <Lemon> I saw dis
09:20:22 <Lemon> I want dis
09:20:23 <Ampera> you get a /128 our of a range of /64
09:20:35 <Ampera> as in you get /one/ IP address for your WAN
09:20:46 <DHess_US> They aren't suppose to do that but I'm not surprised that they would.
09:21:07 <Ampera> Your LAN controllers are then supposed to have your /64 ranges from a /56 they give you
09:21:12 <Ampera> DHess_US, tunnel broker does the same thing with me
09:21:37 <Ampera> except I get a /48 which is what they're supposed to give customers.
09:21:47 <Ampera> not that it really matters
09:22:03 <Ampera> you'd have to have > 256 LANs in order for it to
09:27:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, uncheck advanced configuration, ignore all settings within.
09:28:03 <Halcyon> Yeh I've done that
09:28:10 <Ampera> Follow all options on that wiki up until that point for WAN
09:28:25 <Halcyon> Try and ping my WAN IP: 2403:5800:7000:143:44c2:cd9b:64d6:3289
09:28:28 <Ampera> Pick a LAN that has a machine on it you can use to easily test.
09:29:00 <Ampera> in status > interfaces does your WAN device claim it has that IP?
09:29:06 <Halcyon> Yes
09:29:21 <Ampera> double check firewall settings
09:30:15 <Halcyon> They haven't changed since yesterday
09:30:35 <Ampera> I wonder if you simply can't ping WAN devices
09:30:41 <Ampera> let me test that theory
09:30:54 <Halcyon> It worked yesterday didn't it?
09:31:14 <Ampera> Mine can't be pinged either.
09:31:17 <Ampera> So we will presume that's normal.
09:31:28 <Halcyon> I could ping you yesterday
09:31:37 <Ampera> You must have been using a LAN interface.
09:31:40 <Ampera> We will set that up next, standby
09:31:50 <Halcyon> I was pinging you directly from the pfsense box
09:32:04 <Ampera> Which may have been using a LAN IP.
09:32:09 <Ampera> Now
09:32:17 <Ampera> Pick a LAN device, one you have a machine you can test with
09:32:36 <Ampera> Set IPv6 to track interface, set the IPv6 interface to WAN, and the prefix ID to 0
09:32:43 <Ampera> Save all settings, and try a device on that LAN
09:33:01 <Ampera> you may also want to set RA to unmanaged
09:33:08 <Ampera> in DHCPv6 Server & RA under Services
09:34:20 <Halcyon> OK
09:34:44 <Ampera> If you need an ipv6 only site to ping, ipv6.amperaa.net is available
09:34:52 <Ampera> ipv4.amperaa.net is also ipv4 only
09:35:14 <Halcyon> I no longer have any interface with IPv6
09:35:21 <Halcyon> They only have link local addresses
09:35:37 <Ampera> On your local machine?
09:35:41 <Halcyon> No on the router
09:37:00 <Ampera> You have Send IPv6 prexit hint set?
09:37:06 <Ampera> *prefix
09:38:49 <Halcyon> Yep
09:39:25 <Ampera> You're tracking the WAN interface on your LAN interface?
09:39:31 <Halcyon> Yes
09:39:41 <Ampera> RA set to unmanaged?
09:39:49 <Halcyon> Yes
09:40:06 <Ampera> do you have a machine on that LAN?
09:40:09 <Halcyon> Yes
09:40:14 <Ampera> does it have an IPv6?
09:40:38 <Halcyon> Yes
09:40:48 <Ampera> ping ipv6.amperaa.net
09:41:05 <Halcyon> Doesn't resolve
09:41:09 <Ampera> alright
09:41:11 <Ampera> one second
09:41:19 <Halcyon> Sorry, it resolves, doesn't reply
09:41:35 <Ampera> 2001:470:8a68::dead:beef
09:41:38 <Ampera> oh
09:41:44 <Halcyon> It just took a while
09:41:51 <Ampera> I thought you might not have had DNSv6 set up
09:41:58 <Halcyon> No, I do
09:42:28 <Ampera> what IP was that box given
09:42:36 <Halcyon> The same one you just gave me
09:42:43 <Halcyon> Oh you mean my machine?
09:42:45 <Ampera> no what is that box's IP
09:42:50 <Ampera> just give the first half
09:42:55 <Halcyon> 2403:5800:7101:4300:3d0c:f216:5a78:f1dc
09:42:59 <Ampera> or that
09:43:00 <Halcyon> But that could also be from yesterday
09:43:04 <Ampera> alright, so that's what it should be
09:43:51 <Ampera> we'll try something else then
09:43:57 <Ampera> set the LAN device to static v6
09:44:14 <Ampera> give it the ip 2403:5800:7101:4300::1
09:44:41 <Halcyon> A /64 ?
09:44:56 <Ampera> yes.
09:45:01 <Halcyon> OK done
09:45:49 <Ampera> alright one second
09:46:19 <Ampera> so something on the WAN must not be right
09:46:35 <Halcyon> Well my WAN still doesn't have an IPv6 address
09:46:41 <Ampera> you said it did
09:46:47 <Ampera> but whatever
09:47:10 <Halcyon> Yes it did, but after I applied the first lot of settings you gave me, it disappeared
09:48:28 <Ampera> can you tell me which interfaces you have
09:48:30 <Ampera> in total
09:48:45 <Halcyon> As in their IP addresses?
09:48:51 <Ampera> no, their pfSense names
09:48:53 <Ampera> as in WAN, LAN, etc.
09:49:04 <Halcyon> VLAN10_MANAGEMENT is the LAN interface I'm currently testing
09:49:14 <Halcyon> WAN is WAN_ABB
09:49:46 <Halcyon> I have 4 other LAN interfaces which I currently have not touched yet
09:50:15 <Ampera> alright, reenter the advanced options completely, and use that as the LAN interface.
09:50:21 <Ampera> er, prefix interface.
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09:51:09 <Halcyon> OK done, WAN IP is back
09:51:29 <Ampera> Alright, are pings allowed through universally?
09:51:36 <Halcyon> I believe so
09:51:50 <Halcyon> I can ping you now
09:51:54 <Ampera> alright good, I can ping you too.
09:51:57 <Ampera> now pick a second LAN.
09:52:02 <Halcyon> OK
09:52:03 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> Hi from moms house
09:52:08 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir-mobil
09:52:11 <Ampera> give it this IP: 2403:5800:7101:4301::1
09:53:06 <Halcyon> OK done
09:53:22 <Ampera> I can ping that now too
09:53:30 <Halcyon> OK beautiful
09:53:39 <Ampera> so you should be now able to supply IPv6 ranges to each LAN controller by incrementing :43xx
09:54:20 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> Not thats Easy to find an ok-ish idc client for Android...
09:54:27 <Halcyon> And the machines connected to those VLANs will automatically adopt the same IP range?
09:54:34 <Ampera> They should.
09:54:41 <Halcyon> OK, something to test later
09:54:55 <Ampera> I say they should like I Know what I'm doing :P
09:55:08 <Halcyon> *shrug* I'm in the same boat
09:55:17 <Halcyon> I know almost nothing about IPv6 compared to IPv4
09:55:36 <Ampera> I know about equal since i can't say I know too much about either
09:55:42 <Ampera> I just happen to have luck with making wild guesses
09:56:01 <Halcyon> Just test a theory for me...
09:56:15 <Halcyon> Can you try and ping lwsn-78r1-gw01.cyanlabs.com.au
09:56:20 <Halcyon> It may not work
09:56:27 <Ampera> ping6 or ping4?
09:56:32 <Halcyon> Either
09:56:39 <Halcyon> Actually no, IPv6
09:56:53 <Ampera> does not resolve
09:57:19 <Halcyon> OK standby...
09:59:21 <Halcyon> Try vpnv6.cyanlabs.com.au
09:59:33 <Ampera> is your ttl that short?
09:59:52 <Halcyon> I usually just leave it as auto
09:59:56 <Halcyon> So *shrug*
10:00:08 <Ampera> ping6 resolves to 2403:5800:7000:143:44c2:cd9b:64d6:3289 and gets a response
10:00:10 <Ampera> ping4 gets nothing
10:00:15 <Ampera> (does not resolve)
10:00:22 <Halcyon> Yep because IPv4 will resolve to vpn.cyanlabs
10:00:27 <Halcyon> (for now)
10:00:47 <Ampera> I should probably setup an IPv6 only website for testing at some point.
10:00:54 <Ampera> brb must pee
10:00:55 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> since the elite of networking is here.. is it possiblt to install an irc client on my server and connect to that from my devices?
10:01:09 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir-mobil: Yep, that's what Ampera does
10:01:21 <rust_collector> sure you can
10:01:53 <Halcyon> I'm going to go have a shower, back soon
10:01:59 <rust_collector> have fun
10:02:32 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> could someone explain How? I would think that could be usefull
10:03:06 <rust_collector> prrrrrffffftttt wait until Ampera is back. I am useless
10:03:11 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> don't drown in there halcyon
10:03:36 <Ampera> hello
10:03:43 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> hi ampera
10:03:51 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir-mobil, there are two solutions for that, weechat and ZNC (there are more, these are the ones I know of).
10:04:21 <Ampera> ZNC operates like an IRC proxy, and for me its main use is to allow me to connect to one server with multiple IRC clients
10:04:23 <Ampera> without pissing off that server
10:04:53 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> that sounds good
10:04:54 <Ampera> weechat is an IRC client that allows you to connect to it with a mobile app and, afaik, get the full IRC client logs and everything.
10:05:01 <Ampera> ZNC does have a backlog system, but it is quite shit.
10:05:32 <Ampera> You also have other solutions, like remote access IRC clients, via ssh or Xpra (or your own solution)
10:05:45 <Ampera> I run weechat inside a screen session on my server and ssh into it when I want to use it.
10:05:57 <Ampera> and I occasionally run HexChat within an Xpra screen on my server as well
10:06:33 * Ysjoelfir-mobil writes down the suggestions
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10:08:20 <helpplz> v*a=w but is that watt hours what does it mean by watts
10:08:32 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, did anything happen with the web irc thing?
10:08:50 <Ampera> helpplz, watt hours is w*h
10:08:59 <Ampera> v*a=w is ohm's law, which means volts * amps = watts
10:09:07 <rust_collector> a watt is a watt. a watt for an hour is a watt-hour
10:09:17 <helpplz> so v*a=w but how do i get watt hours?
10:09:24 <Ampera> watts are an instantaneous measure, watt hours are a quantity of power
10:09:31 <helpplz> o so yes it means watt hours
10:09:35 <Ampera> no it does not
10:09:38 <Ampera> w means watts
10:09:42 <rust_collector> by measuring the time you get x watts
10:09:50 <helpplz> o i c
10:09:55 <Ampera> a 500W device will require 500W of power at any given time
10:10:02 <helpplz> so i need to know time then
10:10:04 <Ampera> if you run it for an hour, it has used 500Wh's
10:10:06 <Ampera> yes.
10:10:06 <rust_collector> yes
10:10:11 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> in addition v*a can be many things. if it is ac you get more possibilities for power
10:10:29 <MrMobodies> I have a question
10:10:34 <rust_collector> let us make this much more complicated
10:10:43 <helpplz> :D
10:10:47 <MrMobodies> 500w psu, big massive choke, can only use 75%
10:11:04 <helpplz> right peak 500w
10:11:16 <Ampera> don't confuse him
10:11:17 <MrMobodies> aaah yes it is to with peak and not the choke
10:11:32 <Ampera> switching power supplies (or depends on what sort of PSU you mean) gets fucking ocmplicated.
10:11:36 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> if you want rusty? :)
10:11:45 <MrMobodies> I remembered when they had thing for "peak wattage"
10:12:01 <rust_collector> it is used for sales, I think
10:12:02 <MrMobodies> that's when I discovered Enermax
10:12:02 <helpplz> "some times things get complicated " :D
10:12:25 <helpplz> enermax?
10:12:35 <MrMobodies> yes, AX 651-P
10:12:42 <MrMobodies> I think it was suppos eto be 500w
10:12:43 <MrMobodies> or so
10:12:57 <MrMobodies> I got what it stated on the label
10:13:05 <MrMobodies> never ran too hot
10:13:08 <rust_collector> hmm, talking about power supplies, kid gave me a couple of pc cabinets. I should gut them and throw them away
10:13:21 <MrMobodies> I'd check the mout first
10:13:33 <MrMobodies> see what components are in there
10:13:46 Quit: AndrevS ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
10:13:47 <rust_collector> they are just modern junk
10:13:56 <MrMobodies> I get put off when I see, Teapo's Jamicon, Fuhijjiiu? stuff
10:14:07 <MrMobodies> and cheng
10:14:09 <MrMobodies> caps
10:14:40 <MrMobodies> I mean in the power supplies
10:14:42 <helpplz> repaint them as RECYCLED with custom paint jobs
10:15:11 <rust_collector> you can just buy capacitor sleeves, that you can just shrink on
10:15:27 <MrMobodies> I also don't like when they paint all the cables black in some of the new PSU'S
10:15:32 <rust_collector> any rating and name you want
10:15:46 <MrMobodies> I like to see the colours and recognise what voltage
10:15:54 <rust_collector> meh, I do not like that they have to put leds in allthethings
10:15:54 <helpplz> yah i dont like the all black ether
10:16:10 <MrMobodies> I like Leds on network cards, controllers
10:16:14 <helpplz> RGB lol its in everything now
10:16:16 <MrMobodies> when they serve a purpose
10:16:25 <MrMobodies> but not in a fan shining at you
10:16:36 <rust_collector> yes. but they don't. they just make the fans and ram change color
10:16:49 <MrMobodies> I don't like the glare of them
10:16:56 <MrMobodies> they're too bright for me
10:17:02 <helpplz> my tower is like 6 feet from me i cant see any of the lights or even hear the fans
10:17:23 <MrMobodies> just like the Zalman copper heattsink fans
10:17:33 <rust_collector> my desktop is next to my knee, i can not hear it, because the wife id home
10:17:40 <helpplz> and i usally take a sharpy to the bright leds
10:18:10 <MrMobodies> sharpy? a knife?
10:18:15 <rust_collector> sharpie
10:18:18 <helpplz> the marker
10:18:23 <MrMobodies> aah colour them in
10:18:40 <helpplz> yep easiest way to dim them
10:18:52 <rust_collector> electricians tape does ok on bright lights
10:19:02 <helpplz> ^
10:19:25 <MrMobodies> I use many layers of kapton
10:19:28 <MrMobodies> make it orange
10:19:47 <MrMobodies> I did that to one the light in the garden
10:19:50 <rust_collector> hmm, corsair 600w blahblahblah. I think I will keep it for something
10:20:03 <MrMobodies> has it got all black wires?
10:20:12 <rust_collector> it has no wires
10:20:12 <MrMobodies> are they coloured to their voltage?
10:20:17 <MrMobodies> modular
10:20:19 <rust_collector> yea
10:20:45 <rust_collector> iIrc, it is just 3-4 years old
10:21:09 <MrMobodies> that doesn't sound old
10:21:16 <helpplz> lol layers of kapton
10:21:21 <MrMobodies> I got some old Enermax that are 2001 with the -5v rail
10:21:31 <MrMobodies> 300 to 500 in the cupboard
10:21:34 <MrMobodies> cheap off ebay
10:21:51 <rust_collector> I have some with -12 and -5 I dunno where I got them.
10:22:09 <rust_collector> not sure if they are atx, or just at
10:22:37 <rust_collector> beats collecting microwaves, imo
10:22:39 <MrMobodies> -5 would be handy for old boards
10:23:14 <MrMobodies> I once connected a non -5v up to a p3 and there waves over the video
10:23:35 <MrMobodies> It was when I swapped it around the waves went
10:24:53 <Ampera> just went out to bring groceries up
10:24:57 <Ampera> cor it's warm out, 34F
10:25:14 <rust_collector> hmm, was there any kind of key or registration on dos, or the older windows?
10:25:35 <Ampera> not really
10:25:48 <Ampera> just install it or pirate it, nobody's gonna stop you
10:25:54 <Ampera> especially not today, when nobody cares
10:26:18 <rust_collector> I don't think I will bother, but...
10:27:19 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir-mobil, what happened with the house you were looking at?
10:27:23 <Halcyon> Mmmm stir fry
10:27:27 <rust_collector> or apartment, or
10:27:36 <MrMobodies> In 2000 I went down a bootsale
10:27:41 <Ampera> oh Halcyon I made a stir fry yesterday.
10:27:43 <MrMobodies> they were selling Windows 2000 for £1
10:27:52 <Halcyon> :)
10:27:57 <MrMobodies> all had the same licence keys on the back
10:28:08 <Halcyon> YAY 10/10 on IPv6 readiness
10:28:09 <Ampera> My own recipe, and it came out pretty good.
10:28:44 <Halcyon> Send me the recipe :)
10:28:48 <Halcyon> I want to try your foods
10:28:48 <Ampera> it was a chicken, mushroom, and rice noodle stir fry, with a sauce made from bacon grease, condensed beef stock, worchestershire sauce, and thai fish sauce.
10:29:07 <Halcyon> Mmm bacon grease
10:29:13 <Ampera> how do you want me to send it to you?
10:29:15 <Ampera> as I'd have to write it down
10:29:27 <Ampera> and I never use precise measurements, so everything would be, a bit of x y and z
10:29:39 <Ampera> also speaking of you, I'm listening to Australian music.
10:29:39 <MrMobodies> I feel tempted, without the mushroonms
10:29:41 <rust_collector> amperas cookbook volume1
10:29:49 <Halcyon> What kind of music?
10:29:51 <Ampera> Oh, I also used brown sugar.
10:29:55 <Ampera> The Seekers.
10:30:04 <Halcyon> Ah yeh The Seekers are good
10:30:26 <Ampera> They have excellent harmonies and melodies, and good lyrics.
10:30:43 <MrMobodies> they can sing
10:30:53 <Ampera> I'll write something down in pastebin.
10:31:04 <Ampera> actually no fuck that, I have a forum
10:31:09 <Ampera> that's why I have the damn thing :P
10:31:15 <Halcyon> :)
10:31:22 <MrMobodies> like this one
10:31:23 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZipKdI1sY
10:31:31 <MrMobodies> with the melodies
10:32:10 * Halcyon sips coffee
10:32:22 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> rusty: I like it very much, the gf is not completely sure yet
10:32:47 <rust_collector> so?
10:33:06 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> we're still discussing about it
10:33:21 <rust_collector> mr progressive
10:33:41 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> :P
10:34:57 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> She is a bit afraid that moving costs too much
10:35:07 <Halcyon> Where are you moving?
10:35:12 <rust_collector> how far is it?
10:35:27 <rust_collector> and, do you have an apartment, or a house now?
10:35:58 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> not sure if we will move halcyon. but if... from Frankfurt to friedberg
10:36:17 <Halcyon> Heh both foody names :P
10:36:22 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> it's about 20km. and we're in an apartment now
10:37:11 <rust_collector> ok, so I would say you can stuff that in a 7.5 ton truck
10:37:29 <Halcyon> Ampera, can you ping my desktop PC? 2403:5800:7101:4310:7381:a340:ca42:8ccf
10:37:44 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> will you come down here to drive it for us? :)
10:37:47 <Ampera> Yes.
10:37:52 <Halcyon> Excellent
10:37:59 <rust_collector> Oh, you are too young...
10:38:24 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> no, I just don't have the licence :(
10:38:49 <rust_collector> well, if I was to come there, forget the 7.5 ton idea, get a semi, and just put things here and there
10:39:25 <rust_collector> I mean, if you were older, you would have the license, if you have a car license
10:40:02 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> ah. yes that's true
10:41:29 <rust_collector> renting a truck for a weekend is not that expensive. don't you know anyone with a license?
10:42:03 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> my dad had one, but he's dead for 7 years.
10:42:25 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> and my uncle
10:43:27 <rust_collector> you do have a car license?
10:44:31 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> yep
10:44:40 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> and a volvo
10:44:45 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> the big 945
10:45:04 <rust_collector> heh
10:46:21 <rust_collector> well, I guess you could rent a trailer, and hope for nice weather
10:46:53 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> we think about something like that
10:47:34 <rust_collector> or rent a 3.5t box van. or be difficult, and rent a box van with a trailer
10:49:05 <rust_collector> it depends a lot on what kind of furniture you have, I guess
10:49:46 <MrMobodies> When I moved, it wasn't so much the stress of moving...
10:49:53 <MrMobodies> It was all the stuff I had to pack
10:50:09 <rust_collector> yup
10:50:23 <MrMobodies> I had order lots of bubble wrap and anti static bags
10:50:27 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> we just have to much stuff :x
10:50:38 <rust_collector> when mom moved, she had 6.3 tons of things
10:51:07 <MrMobodies> that's a lot
10:51:18 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> maybe we should pay a moving company. could be cheaper than driving back and forth?
10:51:22 <rust_collector> her ex was worse than me. she has tons of guitar amps and stuff
10:51:28 <MrMobodies> how many lorries?
10:51:30 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> I bet we have more
10:52:07 <rust_collector> MrMobodies, if you mean mom, I put that on one lorry
10:52:24 <MrMobodies> oh one lorry for 6.3 tons
10:52:38 <rust_collector> it has a max weight of 27
10:52:51 <rust_collector> weighs around 13 empty
10:53:10 <MrMobodies> so 20.3 tons by the time the weight was on
10:53:21 <rust_collector> something like that
10:54:03 <MrMobodies> I know I had three lorries
10:54:11 <MrMobodies> My parents and my stuff
10:54:17 <MrMobodies> mostly furniture
10:54:29 <MrMobodies> outgrew the other house greatly
10:54:51 <rust_collector> it is an art, to get stuff stacked correctly. it is pretty amazing what you can stuff into a box
10:55:07 <MrMobodies> I have noticed how they packaged I was scared at first
10:55:14 <MrMobodies> when they were piling them high
10:55:46 <MrMobodies> on the lorries
10:56:50 <rust_collector> I used to start with the sofa, and fill that with boxes, then carpets and stuff on top, then random boxy looking things. maybe bookshelves and stuff on top
10:58:03 <rust_collector> but yes, renting a company would be worth looking into. it is the packaging that takes time(money)
10:58:31 <rust_collector> if they can just pile it in a truck and go, it could be pretty affordable, I guess?
10:59:37 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> I hope so
11:00:25 <helpplz> sorry to but in ... i just had to say it .... i bought a 250 dollar paper shredder for 5 bucks :D
11:00:43 <Halcyon> I should buy a shredder
11:00:50 <helpplz> good will
11:00:59 <Halcyon> We don't have Good Will in Australia :(
11:01:05 <helpplz> or another thrift store where old people live
11:01:09 <Halcyon> Heh
11:01:17 <helpplz> sad but true
11:01:19 <rust_collector> are you in florida?
11:01:19 <helpplz> :(
11:01:30 <helpplz> me?
11:01:33 <rust_collector> yes you
11:01:35 <helpplz> im in az
11:01:45 <helpplz> arizona
11:01:54 <rust_collector> hmm, that is not where the old people live?
11:02:14 <helpplz> thers some old people communities here
11:02:34 <helpplz> lot of snow birds get stuck here and ... well ... die
11:02:45 <rust_collector> all the old people move to florida. I know this, from internet
11:03:22 <helpplz> dude i bet the thrift stores ther are amazing
11:04:01 <rust_collector> over here, they just have crappy old mugs and ugly maintings
11:04:13 <rust_collector> paintings
11:04:13 <helpplz> lol sux
11:04:29 <helpplz> the ones here are pretty good
11:04:42 <rust_collector> they don't want any kind of technical stuff
11:04:43 <helpplz> also got a cm1000 modem 5 bucks
11:05:00 <helpplz> 150 dollar modem
11:06:16 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/f/index.php?topic=714.0 My stir fry recipe
11:07:06 <helpplz> bacon greese is magic
11:07:28 <rust_collector> not really, it is mostly just fat
11:08:10 <helpplz> <3 the stuff
11:08:23 <rust_collector> yup
11:08:30 <rust_collector> fat is good
11:08:45 <helpplz> and brisket fat grease that stuff is good
11:10:48 <rust_collector> Ampera, if you are interested in a cooking idea....
11:11:43 <rust_collector> did you caramelize all the things you could, as much as you could? (ie, so you could skip most of the sugar)
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11:14:42 <Ampera> rust_collector, m9 I threw shit together and it tasted not horrific
11:15:01 <rust_collector> No, I am just suggeating ideas for the next time
11:15:03 <Ampera> but yes, things were caramelized, the brown sugar wasn't there for sweetness, it was there for molasses.
11:15:10 <rust_collector> ok
11:15:20 <Ampera> which has a specific taste I wanted in there, you could easily just add molasses
11:16:43 <rust_collector> well, that is good then
11:17:40 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> that doesn't sound to bad :)
11:17:47 <Ysjoelfir-mobil> I will try it
11:23:20 <MrMobodies> I am going to try something basic
11:23:44 <MrMobodies> Waffles, with fried eggs from next door in bread.
11:30:55 <Ampera> server restart. services going down
11:30:56 <Ampera> bbl
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12:04:09 <MrMobodies> I am going to do a disk image of my firewall
12:04:19 <MrMobodies> Just incase what happened last night happens again
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15:36:03 <helpplz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Yq83vIfqE
15:36:18 <helpplz> "some times things get complicated "
15:38:37 <helpplz> rp sma ... why is ther a reverse polarity :(
15:41:04 <Ampera> helpplz, reverse polarity in what context?
15:41:12 <helpplz> rp sma
15:41:26 <helpplz> extention cable for wifi antenna
15:41:55 <helpplz> https://www.ebay.com/p/502253004?iid=153787995742&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=153787995742&targetid=857478420934&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9030236&poi=&campaignid=6470474296&mkgroupid=76413868734&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-857478420934&abcId=1140476&merchantid=107668154&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4NTxBRDxARIsAHyp6gB
15:41:55 <helpplz> lp4HtPyLbwIyCNaSa14_kIKQ9iI8T-W6hNplFwuwGM1oMBZWspUEaAueYEALw_wcB
15:41:57 <Ampera> oh, is that a question or a complaint?
15:42:10 <helpplz> will its sort of question
15:42:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Tanner Fadero: Posted without comment https://t.co/SfHwViFaj4
15:42:20 <Ampera> reverse polarity means the opposite gender
15:42:26 <helpplz> ahhh
15:42:33 <Ampera> (ala wikipedia)
15:42:51 <helpplz> cool that just means its what i need ... extention cable
15:43:07 <helpplz> thx
15:43:58 <helpplz> i put a 5 ghz antenna and it helped my 2ghz router ... but i kinda wannna do more if its only gonna be 3 dollars
15:44:15 <Ampera> so
15:44:31 <Ampera> here's the thing about that, having a longer antenna doesn't mean you'll have a better signal
15:45:18 <helpplz> right but the signal will be closer to where it needs to be tho ... will that help right?
15:45:34 <Ampera> It would be better if you picked the device up, and put it somewhere else.
15:45:50 <helpplz> :( nooo
15:45:58 <Ampera> Different shaped antennas propagate different sorts of electromagnetic radiation differently.
15:46:09 <helpplz> its so kosy where its at tho
15:46:28 <Ampera> If you're having signal problems, you might want to simply invest in a better access point
15:46:50 <helpplz> sware truth bro all i did was put a 5ghz antenna on and it did a lot more range
15:46:51 <Ampera> most consumer routers have absolutely awful radio and antenna designs.
15:47:05 <Ampera> well that might mean the original antenna was just shit
15:47:17 <helpplz> prolly it was little asf
15:47:23 <Ampera> I'm honestly not even close to an expert on antenna shape dynamics.
15:48:21 <helpplz> i went from one of those cheap preshappened pencil shaped to bout the size of a sharpie but it flater
15:49:06 <Ampera> If you're trying to run an extension on your antenna, keep in mind the extension will also be an antenna, and likewise, will radiate energy away from itself
15:49:19 <Ampera> meaning you can only go so far before the signal no longer reaches the antenna.
15:49:33 <helpplz> hmm
15:52:04 <helpplz> little off topic but what do you think about 5g
15:52:28 <Ampera> next step up in mobile technology, greater data rates, afaik better coverage
15:52:46 <Ampera> more bandwidth to go around, the cheaper data service will be
15:52:47 <Ampera> I'm in favour
15:53:05 <helpplz> ooo if it goes cheaper that would be a dream
15:53:48 <Ampera> Personally while I own a smartphone, it has 40 minutes of voice service and that's it. I don't use it often, and I don't care much about mobile data networks.
15:53:49 <helpplz> a lot of people where saying weird things about it
15:54:16 <Ampera> Because people tend to make mountains out of molehills when it comes to electromagnetic radiation.
15:54:31 <helpplz> ^
15:54:56 <helpplz> yah i kept telling them im waiting for 11g :D
15:55:14 <Ampera> 802.11g?
15:55:15 <Ampera> :P
15:55:19 <helpplz> :D
15:55:21 <helpplz> lol
15:55:44 <helpplz> serious tho i use my mobile data all the time
15:56:04 <helpplz> my phone and my tablet both unlimited
15:57:13 <Ampera> I prefer my wired connections.
15:57:48 <helpplz> i do too but my sprint works good i can watch youtube all day
16:00:15 <helpplz> and i dont like the wifi on all the time ... i sware people were brute forcing my router and it burnt up
16:00:50 <Ampera> May I ask how old you are?
16:00:57 <helpplz> 38
16:01:03 <Ampera> alright
16:01:08 <Ampera> just curious
16:01:23 <helpplz> do i sound old or young :)
16:01:31 <Ampera> young, quite young
16:01:36 <helpplz> :D
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16:16:54 <steve30> hi
16:17:08 <helpplz> wave
16:29:50 <helpplz> welp ima cook a pizza and work on my clear chest pack for my tablet
16:29:55 <helpplz> bb
16:35:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Chris Gammell: The cat is out of the bag...KiCon 2020 will be at CERN in Geneva! Really excited they will be hosting the event this year, I think it will be a great experience and will allow a broader range of users from Europe and beyond to attend. https://t.co/L8Vn6HbyyX https://t.co/WYiKp1wEIX
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18:16:40 <Halcyon> I am pooped
18:16:57 <Halcyon> I just mowed a way overgrown lawn, then it started storming half way through
18:18:38 * Ampera poops on Halcyon
18:19:24 <Halcyon> Ew
18:21:02 <steve30> hi Halcyon
18:21:55 <steve30> Here's a Youtube channel which halcyon ought to enjoy:
18:21:56 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3JMzLbq7fgFLampM2dNLMA/videos
18:32:04 <Halcyon> What the hell is that?
18:32:22 <steve30> :D
18:32:36 <Halcyon> Um
18:32:43 <Halcyon> ... ok
18:36:19 <steve30> I think I creeped halcyon out :D
18:36:47 <Halcyon> No, it takes a lot to creep me out, but it's just weird
18:37:02 <Halcyon> Some people are very strange
18:38:54 <Halcyon> I mean dressing up for events or parties is one thing, that's fine, but too look like THAT all the time, it's fucking weird
18:40:10 <Halcyon> *to
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18:50:49 <steve30> This is a fascinating channel:
18:50:49 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5W0onb6kwSRkdaZZpMOjoQ/videos
18:51:07 <steve30> what a wonderful use of bandwidth :)
18:53:09 <Halcyon> Gees
18:53:14 <Halcyon> What a waste
18:53:25 <Halcyon> But hey, this is how stupid society is getting
18:53:58 <steve30> He's actually quite cute, so I'll let him off for wasting bandwidth :D
18:54:07 <Halcyon> Meh
19:05:37 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
19:05:55 <Halcyon> :)
19:08:22 <steve30> meow
19:20:21 <Halcyon> DogWomble_: You around?
19:20:49 <DogWomble_> i'm around
19:20:56 <Halcyon> Golf or cards?
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19:21:06 <DogWomble_> got another game happening at the moment so stuck in discord
19:21:16 <Halcyon> Ah no worries
19:22:33 <Halcyon> I'll be up for a little while longer, aiming to get to bed between 2130 and 2200
19:22:34 * steve30 fancies some more food
19:22:38 <Halcyon> Have an early start all week
19:23:24 <hsn993> https://youtu.be/TNQsmPf24go?t=728 < shark biting internet cable
19:23:45 <Halcyon> Nom
20:34:02 <DHess_US> <helpplz> rp sma ... why is ther a reverse polarity :(
20:34:13 <DHess_US> It is an FCC requirement to prevent interoperability.
20:55:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Stock Image FAILS: I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest it's maybe a chip insertion problem... But hey probe away! https://t.co/59ZS4udv6X
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21:05:33 <Lemon> waddup !
21:05:38 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
21:05:46 <Halcyon> Not much, just watching Youtubes
21:05:52 <Halcyon> Probably should go to bed soon
21:05:59 <Lemon> heh, I just woke up :>
21:06:07 <Halcyon> Well, good morning :)
21:06:11 <Lemon> I found new interesting deals, cheap ones :> thanks !
21:06:31 <Halcyon> I just bought a SmartMedia card :P
21:06:42 <Halcyon> I know it's nothing special but the genuine ones are getting quite rare
21:07:21 <Lemon> hooo what are those used for ?
21:07:46 <Lemon> Im hopefully getting this https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1114887337.htm/ and this https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1471882623.htm/
21:07:47 <Halcyon> They were used in early digital cameras mostly, but some other devices (like MIDI) used them
21:08:00 <Halcyon> They were my favourite form factor of memory card
21:08:09 <Halcyon> They were wafer thin (thinner than microSD)
21:08:27 <Lemon> damn I would be afraid to snap it
21:08:34 <Halcyon> Heh, yep
21:08:37 <Halcyon> But they were neat
21:08:48 <Halcyon> Albeit the capacity was measured in Megabytes
21:08:55 <Halcyon> I just ordered a 16MB one
21:09:01 <Halcyon> I think I already have a 4MB card
21:09:17 <Lemon> is there something in particular you'll use it in ?
21:09:32 <Halcyon> Not at the moment, although I have a few old cameras which support it
21:09:48 <Halcyon> I love collecting old computer gear, particularly weird or unusual stuff
21:10:00 <Lemon> I can understand that haha
21:10:01 <Halcyon> I have rooms full of stuff
21:10:55 <Lemon> I wanted an analog current clamp, a cheap one if possible
21:11:12 <Lemon> and that hartmann and braun vom was too good to miss !
21:11:56 <Halcyon> :)
21:36:14 <steve30> I've just been playing Super Mario
21:43:52 <Lemon> yes, I scored the HB meter ! 16 euros with shipping, thats really a neat deal !
21:44:09 <Lemon> is it Ysjoelfir that collects them ?
21:44:12 Quit: Ysjoelfir-mobil ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:44:12 <Lemon> I think it is !
21:44:21 <Lemon> speaking of him haha
21:55:18 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.
21:55:27 <Lemon> good night !
21:55:28 * hsn993 throwing tomatos on everyone
21:55:42 <hsn993> hey halcyon, bye halcyon
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21:56:01 <Lemon> throwing tomatoes on a lemon ?
21:58:25 <hsn93> yes
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22:28:47 <Lemon> ok so for the analog current clamp, the dude told me that with his microwave oven with nothing inside, it showed 1 amp on the 10/30 amp range
22:28:51 <Lemon> does it sounds correct >
22:28:52 <Lemon> >
22:28:56 <Lemon> shiet, ?
22:29:45 <steve30> probably a bit low
22:30:10 <Lemon> I have no idea how much it should show, I asked him to make this test to know if the clamp works
22:30:19 <Lemon> I mean those things are indestructible
22:30:24 <Lemon> but how to be sure ?
22:30:41 <Lemon> do you have an easy test in mind I can ask him to do ?
22:31:18 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1471882623.htm/
22:32:02 <Lemon> it looks in really good shape, I don't know if this kind of camp can get faulty, honestly it seems not
22:32:55 <steve30> Don't know
22:32:59 <steve30> tbh I'd say just take the risk
22:33:16 <Lemon> easily fixable you think ?
22:33:50 <steve30> I would guess so, but I've never seen inside one, so can't say with any certainty
22:33:54 <Lemon> it looks in really good shape I dont see why it wouldnt work anyway
22:34:33 <Lemon> maybe the dude read it wrong, or a microwave just use 1 amp when nothing is inside
22:34:55 <Lemon> the current grows with a load anyway
22:50:10 <damian> LEMON STEVNO!
22:58:09 <Lemon> :>
23:01:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Looks legit... https://t.co/RwBGMlQky5
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23:15:08 <Lemon> guys
23:15:20 <Lemon> I won an auction
23:15:45 <Lemon> thats really not serious at all, I was watching it since last week, and saw it wasnt high
23:15:52 <Lemon> so I tried and.. I got it :>
23:16:03 <steve30> I was just watching video on my MiniDV camcorder. I put it in pause to go and get some food, and now I've come back, it won't play the video :S
23:16:57 <Lemon> rust_collector you there fam ?
23:17:14 <Lemon> ho shoot, maybe you gotta do the good ol turn in on and off ?
23:18:12 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/114085499677 idk if you can see it
23:18:39 <steve30> nice
23:19:19 <Lemon> damn dude its really rare for me to play auctions
23:19:24 <Lemon> I feel a bit shaky haha
23:19:49 <Lemon> theres a fair bit of shipping, but total price is pretty acceptable for a working unit, and its in decent condition, im sure it can be cleaned a bit
23:20:07 <Lemon> those models are built like a tank, and with the right probes they can read up to 6kv !
23:20:30 <Lemon> my only concern is batteries, it needs a 30v one along with another more common one
23:20:47 <Lemon> but I guess I'll rarely measure ohms with it anyway
23:29:09 <steve30> High voltage batteries can be made by stacking a load of coin cells in series (depending on the physical size needed)
23:29:49 <Lemon> yeah thats true ! I was thinking about that, I saw peeps sticking 3 9v batteries in it as the case is big
23:29:55 <Lemon> but cell coins are a good idea
23:48:01 * T3sl4 gives steve30 an old school B battery
23:57:51 <steve30> I wonder if my video head is dirty
23:58:10 <steve30> Although if it is I would expect some picture break up first rather than going from working fine to not working at all
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