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01:42 <K> he explains things quite nicely
08:20 <Ysjoelfir> LEMONIZER!
08:27 <Ysjoelfir> Where did it go?
09:01 <Ysjoelfir> Aaaah, he left an hour ago :( To bad, wanted to make him jealous
09:12 <rust_collector> you bought 2?
09:34 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. well, not 2 of those, but 2 of something different
09:48 <rust_collector> oooh
10:59 <Ysjoelfir> well ok, also I didn't buy these. A workmate of my uncle was like "eh! your nephew collects stuff like that, doesn't he?" and he was like "I think so, what do you want for that, I ask him", to which he replied with "nothing, I would toss it otherwise."
11:19 <Ysjoelfir> So now I have two new old scopes for my collection
11:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/TVds37.jpg
11:55 <K> that hameg(?) looks, er, cute?
11:57 <hsn93> yum yum
12:21 <rust_collector> I like the baby one
12:22 <Ysjoelfir> it is realy cute, espoecially besides that tiny tek ^^
12:39 <hsn93> scopes for dopes
12:58 <K> are they b0rk or work?
13:56 <hsn93> oh crap didnt mean that https://snipboard.io/DlJNYM.jpg
14:25 <K> eem, the dictionary is incomplete
14:42 <K> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dope
15:19 <hsn93> yes thats good
15:28 <hsn93> scopes for dopes it is
19:11 <Ysjoelfir> they are untestet K. the hameg is supposed to work "when he last tested it" and the tek he found on the street years ago
19:27 <K> check it for cockroaches eh
19:30 <Ysjoelfir> that is now my third 502A. Strange, somehow I am a magnet for that specific model
19:47 <Ysjoelfir> aah, uncles dog will find them before that thing comes to my place
23:03 <Ysjoelfir> the small hameg seems to be a HM103. some pics can be found eg. here: https://www.elektronik-labor.de/Notizen/1212oszi.html
33:22 <rust_collector> 3 euros!
35:53 <rust_collector> just from looking at the internet, those rod operated switches are a common fault on those, but it is one of the things I like most about them. Not that I have had one, but, I think it is a good idea
40:19 <rust_collector> it is ok, you can ship that thing up here any time
40:25 <Ysjoelfir> I had several hamegs. those switches are always a pain, but the general principle is great. you can place the switch exactly where you need it
40:32 <Ysjoelfir> the Hameg?
40:44 <rust_collector> I mean, since you need the space and stuff
40:49 <rust_collector> yes, the hameg, lol
41:14 <rust_collector> I must have a thing for... mediocre spec things
42:11 <steve30> hi
42:16 <Ysjoelfir> If you want it i can restore and potentially repair and calibrate it. It's cute and stuff, but I already have dads old mini hameg (a 10....6?) and Tektronix is more the thing I collect :)
43:04 <rust_collector> I collect all the things that are not tek, lol
43:29 <rust_collector> well, no, sure I want that thing, but I don't want it
44:14 <Ysjoelfir> XD you mean you want want it, but you dont want need it.
44:31 <rust_collector> uhm yes, something like that
45:11 <Ysjoelfir> I understand that
45:20 * Ysjoelfir needs to drill some holes... brb soon
45:42 <rust_collector> have enjoys
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12:06 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFKxlYNfT_o -> Q&A session with Linus Torvalds: Why is Linux not competitive on desktop?
13:32 <Ampera> Because Linux is not Windows, and one should not expect Linux to be Windows.
13:58 <Ampera> It's excellent on the desktop, and has better and better software support every year. I use it exclusively, and am not missing Windows
14:12 <Ampera> but I am me, and have different hopes and desires for my computing experience.
14:18 <rust_collector> I wonder what the competition is about?
14:34 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
19:15 <Ampera> Linux competes in the desktop in its own way. It's got a strong and growing following of intelligent and dedicated hobbyists, with a history of avid users going back to the Unix era.
24:03 <hsn> Ampera ur in love with linux :P
24:19 <Ampera> Yes because it's an excellent operating system that allows me to do more.
25:02 <hsn> it does
26:18 <K> rabid
41:53 <rust_collector> heh, wife is on her way to pick up kids computer again
42:06 <rust_collector> I do not think they did anything
43:06 <Ysjoelfir> I highly doubt it too^^
45:42 <steve30> pick it up from where?
46:17 <rust_collector> the repair place
47:12 <rust_collector> well, we will see. if it works without them having done anything, I do not care
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09:44 <steve30> ah
09:48 * steve30 wonders what's wrong with it
10:30 <rust_collector> we all do, lol. it seems to run fine, then suddenly thinks it has overheated, and shuts down.
10:32 <Ysjoelfir> Its a POS :D
11:27 <rust_collector> I think it is the temp sensor in the cpu. one guy says it is a cap on the mb, i dunno?
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34:17 <Lemon> dam strong nap happened
37:02 <Lemon> I call for my parcel, to have the tracking (website fucked up, usual), I say 'Hello, I'd like to have information about a trac.. NUMBER OF PARCEL ok 623.. WHAT NUMBER ???'
37:09 <Lemon> okkkk dude calm the fuck down please
39:45 <Ysjoelfir> xD
39:54 <Ysjoelfir> Pineapple, my dearest friend
39:58 <Ysjoelfir> I have to make you jealous
40:02 <Lemon> so the wavetek is moving, slow but at least not lost
40:08 <Lemon> as usual ?:P
40:35 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
40:35 <Ysjoelfir> wait
40:38 <Ysjoelfir> lemme copy that
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:08:19] <Ysjoelfir> LEMONIZER!
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:08:27] Where did it go?
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:09:00] Aaaah, he left an hour ago :( To bad, wanted to make him jealous
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:09:12] <rust_collector> you bought 2?
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:09:34] <Ysjoelfir> indeed. well, not 2 of those, but 2 of something different
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:09:48] <rust_collector> oooh
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:10:59] <Ysjoelfir> well ok, also I didn't buy these. A workmate of my uncle was like "eh! your nephew collects stuff like that, doesn't he?" and he was like "I think so, what do you want for that, I ask him", to which he replied with "nothing, I would toss it otherwise."
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> [14:11:22] https://snipboard.io/TVds37.jpg
41:53 <Lemon> hoooo neat catch bud !! its ok im not too jealous on this one, just a tad :P
41:57 <Lemon> im happy for you :>
42:04 <Ysjoelfir> :O no jealousy? why?
42:14 <Ysjoelfir> the tek 502A is a real dual channel, full differential scope!
42:24 <Lemon> because being happy for other people is sometime even better :P
42:50 <Lemon> it is indeed pretty neat !!!
43:07 <Lemon> how low can that 502a go ? like 5ns ?
43:19 <Ysjoelfir> look at the bandwidth, astonishing! 1 MHz @ 200 mV/cm and above; 400 kHz @ 50 mV/cm, 200 kHz @ 5 mV/cm, 100 kHz @ 200 μV/cm
43:34 <Lemon> 1mhz ?? wow dude !!
43:38 <Lemon> it aint fuckin around :>
44:01 <Lemon> in all serioussness i'd like one day to find those big analog scopes that reach 400mhz !
44:02 <Ysjoelfir> the lowest is 1µs/cm but it has a sweep magnifier up to 20 times, so that would make that 50ns
44:09 <rust_collector> that is where the little one comes in handy
44:12 <Lemon> heh not bad :P
45:42 <Ysjoelfir> its actually the third 502A I got my grubby hands on. I somehow seem to be magnetic to that specific model...
45:58 <Lemon> I need to get my hands magnetic too !!
46:05 <Ysjoelfir> yep, as rusty said. the small hameg companies it rather good for the higher bandwidth^^
46:05 <Lemon> I really hope nothing will happen to the wavetek
46:13 <Lemon> I hate when it take too much time like that
46:18 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
46:27 <Lemon> I have two hameg !
46:29 <Ysjoelfir> brb, again grilling some resistors
46:35 <Lemon> they are 203 something, really barebones
46:40 <Lemon> one seems to be for parts
46:45 <Lemon> the other works but the glass fell :>
46:51 <Lemon> fell insine the case
46:53 <Lemon> inside
46:59 <rust_collector> why does everyone else have hameg things with rod-buttons?
47:08 <Lemon> hey rusty
47:14 <rust_collector> WHAT!??!
47:27 <Lemon> HEY RUSTY
47:35 <rust_collector> WHAAAAATTTT!!??!?
47:46 <Lemon> *inhale*
47:54 <Lemon> RUSSSSSSTTTYYYYYYYYYYYY
47:59 <rust_collector> oh hello
48:03 <Lemon> doing great ?
48:08 <rust_collector> awesome
48:15 <Lemon> perfect then
48:19 <rust_collector> no
48:27 <rust_collector> just awesome
49:47 <Lemon> I got my fluke 101 today
49:49 <Lemon> its so cute
50:13 <rust_collector> it would go well with the baby hameg
50:18 <Lemon> for 33 euros delivered its really great imo
51:07 <rust_collector> and you can not fry it measuring current, so that is nice
51:15 <Lemon> totally yes
51:23 <rust_collector> it is a feature
51:24 <Lemon> but well its doable with a shunt if really needed
51:31 <rust_collector> sure
54:46 <Lemon> but its well made, feels great in hand, comes with decent probes, with two energizer batt (its strange, usually they dont provide them)
54:54 <Lemon> continuity tester is meh
55:31 <rust_collector> is it slow?
55:35 <Lemon> yeah
55:39 <Lemon> and inconsistent
56:21 <Lemon> I'll really end up buying a standalone one
58:50 <Lemon> I really dont get why it is so hard to make a good one
58:54 <Lemon> especially fluke
58:57 <Lemon> they make good ones usually
59:10 <Lemon> im sure it cost nothing at all
59:26 <rust_collector> it is a budget model, it will work
59:46 <Lemon> no but why isnt it instantaneous ?
59:47 <Lemon> I dont get it
01:28 Nick: hsn993 is now known as lemonizer
01:33 <Lemon> I could make one but I want it to be reliable
01:36 <Lemon> wat
01:42 <lemonizer> ^(o_o)^
01:48 <Lemon> :(
01:52 <lemonizer> cya
02:05 <Lemon> a nick stealer !
02:30 <lemonizer> ^(o_o)^ <---- evil face with horns
02:37 <lemonizer> bye
02:37 Nick: rust_collector is now known as hsn993
02:45 <hsn993> we can do something here
02:50 Nick: lemonizer is now known as rust_collector
02:51 <rust_collector> lol
03:01 <hsn993> hey cutie
03:15 <rust_collector> hey
03:33 Nick: rust_collector is now known as Ysjeoflir
03:40 <Ysjeoflir> ok 've to go
03:49 Quit: Ysjeoflir ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
03:54 <hsn993> has to be done
04:36 Nick: hsn993 is now known as lint
04:53 <lint> this is too short
05:03 Nick: lint is now known as lint_saver
05:07 <lint_saver> there
06:32 <Lemon> yall want to fuck my brain or what
06:35 <lint_saver> oh crap, now I can not remember who I am
06:48 <lint_saver> sure, bring it over
07:09 <lint_saver> squeak squeak squeak
08:11 Nick: lint_saver is now known as rust_collector
08:35 <rust_collector> Lemon, who are you now?
09:53 <Lemon> im still me
10:08 <rust_collector> you are weird
10:20 <Lemon> true that
10:31 <rust_collector> well, I mean... ok, yes
12:19 <rust_collector> I am still annoyed that I can not find a -5v regulator in my pile of stuff
12:35 <Lemon> why you want one ?
13:35 <rust_collector> I was going to make a + and - 5v supply for the opamp thingies in my power supply
14:09 <rust_collector> I can probably do that in other ways, but I just wanted those regulators, lol
14:16 <Lemon> ha interesting
16:07 <Lemon> awww I openned the small cabinet where we store food, and my cute blind cat came running, he hit the door like 'thunk'
16:13 <Lemon> poor boi
16:29 <rust_collector> so, I just grabbed ideas from anywhere I could find them. and I like the idea of +/-5v, sort of floating around whatever the output of the power is doing
16:37 <Ysjoelfir> oooh :( poor one^^
17:13 <rust_collector> heh. has to be tough after some time, to be a running blind cat
17:24 <Lemon> yeah its not the first time
17:39 <Lemon> he got a brother blind too, and a sister who's fine
18:09 <Lemon> they were born in the attic and the isolant made them blind, he had to remove one eye from each, and the eye left is covered by something
18:42 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir, for you, what is the cheapest 7.5 digit dmm ?
18:51 <Lemon> and 6.5 while we at it
19:11 <Ysjoelfir> Not owning one is the cheapest i guess^^
19:33 <Lemon> yeah sure :> but lets say I want one, what model should I aim at ?
21:04 <Lemon> a solartron maybe ?
22:29 <rust_collector> ok, you are not weird, you are just sick
22:42 <Lemon> heh im just asking you know
22:44 <Lemon> jus askin
22:49 <rust_collector> yeah, sure
23:11 <rust_collector> .....then.... after you got an answer you.......
23:24 <rust_collector> lebanon-coin
24:15 <Lemon> nah theres none on leboncoin
24:32 <Lemon> or none in my budget, or a budget id be willing to aim at
25:55 <Lemon> I think a 6.5 will be more than enough, the lowest digit start to be noisy already
25:59 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... I would take a look at the prema meters. they sell pretty cheap as they are slow as fuck
26:13 <Lemon> like the 75 euros prema 6k I missed ?
26:18 <Ysjoelfir> jep
26:19 <Lemon> I still cry about it you know
26:28 <Ysjoelfir> I totally understand your pain
26:32 <Lemon> 200 euros for a hp 3456a is alright ?
26:39 <Lemon> with shipping
26:53 <Ysjoelfir> I guess so, never bought one yet. But imho thats ok
26:58 <Lemon> ive read that its one of the most stable 6.5 digit dmm
27:11 <Lemon> its a 2M count ?
27:30 <Ysjoelfir> well, we still use them in our calibration department, so.... I assume they are pretty stable :)
27:49 <Ysjoelfir> even though we have some datrons that are very nice (i love the look and feel of those!)
28:15 <Lemon> https://odnd.nl/lab-equipment/13357-hewlett-packard-3456a-digital-voltmeter.html
28:22 <Lemon> it was this one
28:47 <Lemon> 'no further testing done'
28:49 <Ysjoelfir> I have the slightly newer version with the nicer rubber buttons on my desk, but we have three of that older model in the cal lab
28:54 <Lemon> 'powers up and parameters seem to work'
29:39 <Ysjoelfir> I hate sites like that :D I was like "oh, a used test equipment dealer! lets see if we can find some bargains...... NOPE! You should not do that, you need to save up your money!"
29:44 * Ysjoelfir closes that site very quickly
32:15 <Ysjoelfir> I just aquired a hand full of REF02... I wander what I should do with those.
33:46 <Lemon> theres really nice things on this website
34:05 <Lemon> prices are acceptable, shipping is like 13 euros all the time
34:16 <Lemon> but I think I'll just get the Vref and check my systron
34:32 <Lemon> if mamalala sends me the fluke and the hp counter, it will be anice upgrade
34:37 <Lemon> the fluke is a 6.5 digit dmm
34:47 <Lemon> well you can bring another digit
34:51 <Lemon> but I think its a true 6.5
36:01 <Lemon> instead of spending on another dmm, unless theres a new nice deal like the 40 euros systron, id prefer other things
40:38 <K> https://odnd.nl/lab-equipment/13203-tektronix-7623a-oscilloscope-with-2x-7a18-and-1x-7b50-.html
40:40 <K> does took tasty
40:59 <Lemon> neat one yes
41:03 <Ysjoelfir> thats to modern!
41:08 <Lemon> my mother keep telling me we have another scope in the attic
41:11 <Lemon> but I cant find it
41:20 <Ysjoelfir> We (=I) like only tube tek scopes!
42:47 <Lemon> id also like to find the 'warmup' problem on my micronta VOM
45:30 <DHess_US> I have a box here filled with old Maxim references
46:06 <Lemon> you know what, maybe theres some in the big box o' ics of my father
46:16 <Lemon> theres so many unknown things
52:12 <Lemon> btw if I get that ref Ysjoelfir, can I power it from my cheap lab supply ? its a switch mode one, no problem about that ?
52:42 <Lemon> because I guess it needs to be powered on 24/24
53:06 <Ysjoelfir> well, you might get some hf ripple on the output, but you potentially could build a filter before the ref. but why not use it with a battery?
53:17 <Lemon> ho true that
53:34 <Lemon> two 9v batteries maybe
53:39 <Lemon> does it last long ?
54:53 <Ysjoelfir> DHess_US, a question: When I visited the girlfriends relatives in the US last year we got a sheet of what we aren't allowed to take into the plane. besides the normal stuff like lighters, liquids and stuff we weren't allowed to take our beloved hand grenade and also they prohibited taking a catapult on the plane. why is that? what do the americans have against catapults?
55:03 <Ysjoelfir> no, it doesn't. 9V batteries are tiny
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> use a proper 12V battery, like from an UPS or a car :)
55:29 <Lemon> no but like two 9v in series
55:30 <Ysjoelfir> or better, two of those
55:43 <Ysjoelfir> i know. but they have nearly no capacity.
55:49 <Lemon> I dont want to spend a fortune on batteries
55:54 <Lemon> or I have many 18650
55:58 <Lemon> I could build a pack
56:31 <Lemon> but as I wont be able to measure its drift anyway, do I really need to leave it on all the time ?
57:09 <Ysjoelfir> sure, how would you be able to measure drift when its not on for a long time?
57:15 <Ysjoelfir> also, the 18650 should work :)
57:38 <Lemon> yes but as I said, as I wont be able to measure its drift, I dont need to leave it on all the time ? :>
57:47 <Lemon> I just have a 5.5 digit dmm with high uncertainities
57:52 <Lemon> and 4.5 etc
58:18 <Lemon> I could maybe send it to you once in a while if you can calibrate it ? :>
58:55 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah. now I get it :D I read "as i WANT to be able..."
59:13 <Lemon> alright :>
59:23 <Lemon> Id love to be able to do it but well lets be realistic
59:26 <Lemon> I dont have the means :>
59:53 <Ysjoelfir> so... the question is: does leaving it on give you any additional bonus?
00:24 <Lemon> what I thought : as I just need it once in a while, I can leave it on maybe a few days before using it for it to stabilize ?
00:28 <Lemon> or maybe it needs less ?
00:48 <Lemon> or if it really consume nothing, I can leave it on after all
00:54 <Lemon> but I dont want to spend my life checking batteries
01:28 <Lemon> I got a 35 euros refund on paypal, so it will cost me 15 euros
01:33 <Lemon> which is why I consider getting it now :>
03:28 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LM399H-10V-Precision-voltage-Reference-Calibrated-LM399/254402062436?hash=item3b3b8b6864:g:RtsAAOSwPA1cOaqw they measured it and adjusted it against a 34465a recently calibrated, if we believe them
03:32 <Lemon> idk if its enough
04:06 <Lemon> LM399H with LT1001CN8
04:23 <Lemon> well after all its for a 5.5 digit or less
04:29 <Lemon> as you said it will be fine in that area
04:49 <Lemon> but it could be nice if once in a while I can find someone willing to measure it against a known reference, or calibrated meter
05:43 <Ysjoelfir> its goot for that purpose :)
06:11 <rust_collector> get rechargable batteries
06:14 <Lemon> if I send it to you in a few months, could you measure it against one of your device ? :> if it doesnt bother you
06:20 <Lemon> I got a ton of them, I'll build a pack
11:25 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why not?
12:08 <Lemon> ho that would be really kind ! as you are in germany shipping would be alright for a small item I think :>
12:43 <Ysjoelfir> i guess so :)
13:32 <Lemon> ;DD lets go I get it
13:44 <Lemon> I will rapidly check if theres nothing better
14:52 <Lemon> yeah its fine, others are either too cheap or too expensive
15:22 <Lemon> Every Board will be shipped with minimum 1hour Voltage plotted using 34465A if requested. and Absolute voltage tuned to using 10 turn to 10.00000 V at 24 degree C.
15:26 <Lemon> I'll ask him to do that
15:54 <Lemon> hope its the same price xd
22:15 <rust_collector> ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!
24:37 <Lemon> ho neat !
24:48 <Lemon> you know the triplett seller had refunded me the triplett price minus shipping
24:54 <Ysjoelfir> I assume it is, is's part of the calibration and burn in procedure, so... why not?
24:55 <Lemon> I just received the refund for shipping too
24:55 <Ysjoelfir> yes
25:00 <Ysjoelfir> lol? why?
25:04 <Lemon> no idea man
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> lucky bastard :D
25:08 <Lemon> but I gladly take it
25:20 <Lemon> it was 10.33 poundss
25:26 <Lemon> well it will pay for the Vref
27:31 <Lemon> bought the ref and asked the seller !
31:04 <Ysjoelfir> next step: LTZ1000 ref!
31:29 <Lemon> heh !
31:39 <Lemon> nah no need if I cant calibrate it myself :>
31:46 <Lemon> maybe build a KVD or hamon divider
31:51 <Lemon> also, how do you do for upper ranges ?
31:53 <Lemon> like 100, 1000v
31:59 <Ysjoelfir> hardly.
32:14 <Ysjoelfir> 100V is no problem, but 1000V... I would do that at work
32:31 <Lemon> wow he instantly answered me : Yes it will be properly aged and Calibrated. Many other people have used this board to Calibrate there instruments so you should be fine.
32:31 <Lemon> Regards
32:32 <Ysjoelfir> ask my workmate that is in charge of the cal lab if I could use the big fluke calibrator
32:37 <Lemon> well 100v maybe
32:48 <Lemon> ha so I cant do it myself with a Vref
33:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, you could build a very stable amplifier that uses your vref as its ref
33:48 <Ysjoelfir> but you would need to calibrate that, too, before you could use it
43:26 <Ysjoelfir> I'm leaving work for today. :) cu
43:31 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
43:01 <rust_collector> Ok, who turned this thing off?
49:13 <Lemon> you wot m*
49:16 <Lemon> m8
55:31 <rust_collector> I wot what?
55:47 <rust_collector> And. I made dinner
55:56 <Lemon> you can wot whatever you like m8
55:59 <Lemon> great what is it ?
57:18 <rust_collector> fried small cubes of potato, onion, bratwurst, butter, salt, paprika powder, and a bit of chilli powder
57:52 <rust_collector> that is le gourmet dingdong kitchen boss man dish, right?
58:37 <rust_collector> these advanced recipes makes me feel so insecure
58:51 <Lemon> thats pretty good id say
58:53 <Ampera> y'all are making me hungry
59:04 <Lemon> I hate a mix of spaghettis and raviolis
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59:15 <rust_collector> ok, what did they do to you?
59:27 <Lemon> heyyy _mamalala !!
59:35 <Lemon> ho nothing, we had some leftovers
59:35 <Ampera> THEY TURNED ME INTO A FUCKING POTATO
59:37 <Lemon> but not evenough
59:45 <Lemon> enough
59:45 <_mamalala> Aloha!
00:10 <Lemon> how its going ? :>
00:22 <rust_collector> bongo bongo. No, I just do not remember what they say in africa
00:45 <rust_collector> jambo?
01:38 <_mamalala> Lemon: lost of work... just got back home an hour or so ago
01:49 <_mamalala> *lots
02:19 <Lemon> ho I see, some rest now at least :>
02:56 <_mamalala> not really ... no rest for the wicked, after all :P
03:43 <_mamalala> starting to re-install all my microchip stuff (mplab, compiler, etc), since i had to get a new PC a few weeks ago, and it's still missing some bits and pieces in software
03:44 <Lemon> true ;>
04:00 <Lemon> ho what did you got ?
04:13 <Ampera> a new computer
04:18 <Ampera> didn't you just see what he said?
04:32 <_mamalala> no idea, a good friend of mine always gets me some new parts if i need them ... let me see...
04:36 <Lemon> thanks ampera :>
04:39 <Lemon> sometimes I cant read
04:48 <Lemon> as long as it works !
05:54 <_mamalala> asrock z390 mainboard, nvidia gtx 1660 graphics card, i5-9600k cpu, 4 x 16gb ram
06:06 <Lemon> heh def no slouch !!
06:30 <Lemon> you are fine for a few years with that :>
06:38 <_mamalala> two emmc (or whatever it's called) ssd's for boot as raid, a bunch of harddrives for two raids for my /home and my /storage
06:47 <_mamalala> well, i'm not a gamer anyways
06:48 <Ampera> eMMC SSDs?
06:49 <Lemon> nvme ?
06:57 <Ampera> eMMC is worse than SATA
07:00 <_mamalala> or that, yes, dunno :P
07:05 <Lemon> nvme I think :>
07:10 <Ampera> they're effectively embedded SD cards
07:10 <_mamalala> yeah, that's it
07:11 <Lemon> thats great
07:24 <_mamalala> well, depends on your definition of "great"
07:27 <rust_collector> not bad for a little laptop
07:43 <_mamalala> i especially asked for a board with these ssd slots, and 8 sata ports for my hdd's
08:04 <_mamalala> previously i had "only" 8 sata ports, and regular sata ssd's hooked up on two of them
08:08 <Lemon> im using a pcie board to put my m2 ssds as theres no slots on my mobo
08:32 <Lemon> I really need to sell the laptop...
08:34 <_mamalala> now, the really silly part is that this particular mainboard is an either-or type of thing, as it turned out
08:38 <Lemon> imagine the test gear I can get with the money
08:48 <_mamalala> you plug in one of the ssd's, and you loose two sata ports in the process
09:00 <_mamalala> plug in 2 such ssd's, and you loose 4 sata ports :(
09:03 <Lemon> haaa I see, but you can get an extansion card ?
09:10 <Lemon> they make 4 slots one for no much
09:20 <Lemon> if you have some slots left
09:28 <_mamalala> yeah, i got one, with 4 sata ports on pci-e 4x or such
09:46 <Lemon> yeah I see
09:53 <_mamalala> well, i want ssd's only for boot/system, because of their limitied writy-cycle life
09:54 <Lemon> an asus one ?
09:59 <_mamalala> *write-cycle
10:19 <Lemon> yeah my m2 nvme are just for that, and 1tb sata one for VM's and some stuff
10:26 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snnT5hgegi0
10:47 <_mamalala> nah, some old LSI SAS3041E
11:01 <Lemon> ho they are great cards
11:36 <Lemon> I bought a voltage reference today
11:53 <_mamalala> yea, a bit slow to boot due to their own bios... but then, i only reboot because of some kernel updates or such, so my pc is on pretty much 24/7
12:16 <Lemon> yeah I dont worry about boot either, the workstation takes what, 2-3 minutes ? lol
12:20 <Lemon> ecc ram takes a lot
12:55 <Lemon> im really thinking about an ups ]
13:02 <Lemon> for the workstation and maybe some test gear
13:19 <Lemon> my electrical installation is great, but we get a lot of power surges those days
13:32 <Lemon> and damn its tiring to put it back on, wait 2-3 minutes each time
14:00 <_mamalala> now i have about 220 GB on / with the ssd's, about 840 GB on /home with two 1TB harddisks, and about 5.4 TB on /storage with four 2TB harddisks in raid-5
14:06 <_mamalala> the others are all raid-1 pairs
14:18 <Lemon> heh pretty nice !!
14:24 <Lemon> raid 5 is nice
14:48 <_mamalala> well, install a surge arrestor in your distribution box, and in addition put a UPS inbetween your outlet and the computer, that should solve it
15:15 <Lemon> yeah I need to invest in that when I sell the laptop
15:35 <Lemon> I need a decently sized one, the workstation alone can use up to 1kw
15:48 <Lemon> its rare
15:50 <Lemon> but still
16:30 <_mamalala> so far the new pc works well, but has shown some glitches in the past .... dunno if that is/was due to some bad ram or just some linux issues... they seem to have disappeared with the last updates
17:05 <Lemon> new pc syndrome I guess :>
17:13 <Lemon> on the first few days, I got two random shutdowns
17:20 <Lemon> never happenned again in a few months now
17:30 <_mamalala> should a memtest on the memory at some point, i guess, and then exclude any ranges that show up bad ... lickily, that's easy to do with linux, just some kernel boot params
17:44 <_mamalala> well, the issues were rather interresting
18:16 <_mamalala> video playback sometimes had blocks of frozen images... like, video is running but then you have blocks with static content in them
18:26 <_mamalala> mind you, not always, only after some time
18:29 <Lemon> artifacts
18:36 <Lemon> hmmm yeah weird
18:42 <Lemon> driver issues maybe
19:03 <_mamalala> or some operations in programs didn't work properly, etc... nothing that could be tied to a single source
19:20 <_mamalala> nah, it wasn't just graphics issues, other random stuff as well
19:32 <_mamalala> and in all cases only after a few days of uptime
20:03 <Lemon> burnin time :>
20:14 <_mamalala> but as said, it appears that they have gone away since the last updates.... for now... if anything reappears again, i will do a memtest
20:44 <_mamalala> thing is, with these high densities on the ram modules, it's almost a miracle that most of the sticks have no bad cells at all
21:10 <Lemon> thats true !!
21:25 <Lemon> im always impressed by memory, seeing those 256gb sticks.. damn
21:49 <_mamalala> especially considering the prices they go for nowdays.... man, i still remember my first memory upgrade in a pc ... going from 256K to 1024K
21:56 <_mamalala> that has cost me a fortune....
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22:11 <_mamalala> in fact, almost as much as my whole new pc has cost me now
22:40 <Lemon> true ! I was too young to know that, but I think my first pc was with a 601mhz cpu, maybe 32/64mb of ram and a random gpu
22:55 <_mamalala> pah, what a youngster :P
22:58 <Lemon> when I look at my workstation and the price I paid for it, im really happy
23:11 <Lemon> 32c64t, 64gb ram, a gtx 1080, ssds etc
23:13 <Lemon> thats neat !
23:14 <_mamalala> hey ho Ysjoelfir
23:41 <_mamalala> hehe, yea ... the only reason for my "fancy" graphics card is that i have a 4k screen connected
24:17 <_mamalala> i would be perfectly happy with an old card with barely any 3d stuff... but they can drive 4k displays only at 30Hz .... if you go to 60Hz, they reduce the colour space
24:18 <Lemon> how do you like it ?
24:30 <Lemon> I ended going for 3x1080p instead
25:02 <_mamalala> dunno, i see no difference in performance to my old setup... but again, i'm not doing games or such ... all my desktop effects are turnoed down to a minimum, etc
25:15 <_mamalala> man... 4k is just great
25:17 <Lemon> ho I mean, visually
25:26 <_mamalala> you have four full hd screens on a single monitor, basically
25:36 <Lemon> I was concerned about the estate
25:40 <Lemon> as it would be too small or idk
26:01 <Lemon> I really dont regret going the tri-screens route
26:04 <Lemon> I freaking love it !
26:10 <_mamalala> well, it's a 40-something inch display... normally a tv, actually
26:16 <Ysjoelfir> hi mamalala :) received your mail :)
26:18 <Lemon> ha yeah :> big boi !
26:47 <_mamalala> i now have a LG, which is side-lit.... i liked my previous samsung better, which had a regular backlight...
27:19 <_mamalala> the samsung has backlight led's that are about to fail, so i get dark rings on the screen in the places of the degrading led's
27:33 <_mamalala> the side-lit screen is strange if you use it as a monitor
27:35 <Lemon> ha crap
28:33 <_mamalala> visually, it appears as if there is gap between the illuminating surface and the actual lcd panel... in general not a big issue, but depending on the angle you look at the screen, some pixel rows or colums "disappear" at the edges...
28:48 <_mamalala> Ysjoelfir: hehe, nice
29:10 <_mamalala> so, since lemon is also here, who is the person who originally wanted the counter and fluke....
29:23 <steve30> I think i'll get some food
29:39 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon was :)
29:50 <Lemon> :D
29:53 <_mamalala> Lemon: i have no time to arrange for any shipping, i'm afraid... which is why i said you need to do that... if you can't, maybe Ysjoelfir has interrest in the units
30:16 <Lemon> you want me to call dpd so they take it to your house ?
30:22 <_mamalala> up to you guys, if Ysjoelfir even is interrested in these things
30:23 <Lemon> if you can at least just pack them
30:33 <Lemon> I dream about those two pieces haha
31:06 <_mamalala> Lemon: yes, i can pack them... in fact, they are already half-way packaged up ... will be two seperate boxes, due to size and weight
31:47 <Ysjoelfir> I'm always interested in test equipment. Just put them to the pile of CB stuff, Lemon and me will figure out a solution when my mother (which I asked, she will pick the stuff up) gets it, I'm sure :)
31:50 <Lemon> alright thats perfect, if you can just give me the dimensions and weight, tommorow I call Dpd, and ask them if they can take them to your house and how much I need to give you (if I can't pay them upfront)
32:01 <_mamalala> just have to get a bunch of styrofoam boards for the "outer" packaging, so they can be shipped securely
32:15 <Ysjoelfir> thats even better, so he gets it faster :)
32:40 <Lemon> id really love to drive there to get them in person and see you honestly
33:01 <_mamalala> Lemon: well, i'm busy for the next days, probably all of next week as well.... leaving early in the morning, getting back in the evening, so i have no time untill wekkend anyways...
33:19 <_mamalala> oh, and i can't do any weights anyways, my scale isn't big enough :P
33:49 <Lemon> ha ok x) I need to figure it out :>
34:08 <_mamalala> and i don't have a regular one ... i already know i'm too fat, no need for some electronic gadget to tell me the same ... haha
34:22 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :D I knew that problem
34:47 <Ysjoelfir> *know
34:50 <Lemon> i'd love to drive there to get them, but I don't want to bother you too long about it !
34:50 <Ysjoelfir> i still know it
35:12 <Lemon> thats approx 13 hours back/forth
35:15 <Lemon> a nice adventure if you ask me !
35:22 <Ysjoelfir> that would be quite a drive :D but: you would drive past me then.
35:51 <_mamalala> well, how about this then ... i will finish the packaging this weekend... and then i hand it over to Ysjoelfir together with the stuff he gets from me, and then you two can figure it out ... :P
35:51 <Lemon> heh true !!
36:07 <_mamalala> that way i only have to deal with a single pick-up date
36:18 <Lemon> hmmmm
36:31 <Lemon> that could be easier for you yes
36:38 <Lemon> I dont want to bother you, thats already so kind of you....
36:46 <Lemon> I dream about those two devices you know !!
37:17 <Ysjoelfir> we can do that from my side :)
37:27 <Lemon> I think Ysjoelfir is a tad closer to me, that would still be a nice ride but honestly
37:30 <Lemon> im willing to do it, I need it
37:35 <Lemon> I need to get out my house a bit !
37:39 <Lemon> and I'll get to see ya !
37:41 <_mamalala> don't worry about bothering me ... usually i work from home anyways, so normally i would be here all day... but for the next few weeks, i have to stuff on building sites, so i'm away all day, which leaves me no time for pickup stuff...
37:58 <_mamalala> i mean, sure, i can take a day off and wait for a parcel guy, or a mother, or whatever, to pick something up
38:10 <_mamalala> but i would keep that to a minimum, if possible
38:16 <_mamalala> +like to
38:20 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir get everything this weekend from you ?
39:04 <_mamalala> well, sure, there always is the possibility of picking it up in person on a weekend.... i'm always home at weekends
39:18 <_mamalala> well, "home", that is ... :P
39:43 <Lemon> he's at mainhattan ?
39:45 <Lemon> I dont remember
39:49 <Lemon> you're in essen if im right !
40:13 <_mamalala> yes, i am ... and he seems to have origins in the greater area here as well (NRW, that is)
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40:31 <Lemon> mainhattan would surely be easier for me
40:52 <Ysjoelfir> jep, thats correct. nearly all my relatives live near essen. and im still fascinated that google knows what mainhattan is :D
41:01 <Lemon> and if I need to pay a huge price for shipping, I'd rather spend that money in fuel to see one of you :>
41:18 <Lemon> so Ysjoelfir, when is it planned for you to get the stuff ? :>
41:53 <Ysjoelfir> That depends on mamalala and my mum to discuss a meeting :)
41:55 <_mamalala> .... ah, i just like it to get rif some pressure and put it onto someone else.... sorry Ysjoelfir... hahaha
42:02 <_mamalala> *rid
42:15 <Ysjoelfir> no prob :)
42:29 <Lemon> or you know what
42:36 <Lemon> if you are there this weekend _mamalala
42:44 <_mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, i'm available all day on weekends, or early morning or evenings during the week
42:48 <Lemon> and you accept me for just enough to take a rest before going back
42:52 <Lemon> I could come :>
43:27 <_mamalala> Lemon: whatever you like... i have a cat room upstairs where i can lay down a mattress and stuff for a sleepover
44:04 <Lemon> yeah im perfectly fine ! I used to sleep on cement on the streets, a mattress is a luxe :P
44:12 <_mamalala> hehe
44:29 <Lemon> I feel at least thanking you in person honestly
44:37 <_mamalala> i'm basically living in my workshop... i just love it that way
45:08 <_mamalala> and especially for the rent i'm paying ....
47:17 <Lemon> theres approx 612 km to go to your place
47:31 <Lemon> so 6h30, lets say 7h30 if I take some breaks
47:40 <Lemon> and the car dont die haha
47:46 <_mamalala> hehe
48:10 <Lemon> I could go the morning, lets say 7 am
48:25 <Lemon> and be there at 3-4pm
49:06 <_mamalala> whatever you like ... as said, on weekends i'm here all day anyways
49:24 <Lemon> I'll see with my mother and tell you if its ok ! but im excited haha
49:33 <Lemon> I love to drive
49:43 <rust_collector> the door bell is paired to the alarm clock, he will be ok
49:45 <Lemon> and im excited to see you, your workshop, your cats etc !
49:59 <_mamalala> rust_collector: ha, i have no door bell, actually
50:14 <Ysjoelfir> you sure a french car can manage that distance without exploding? :P
50:16 <_mamalala> well, technically i do, but no actual handset with a ringer connected
50:24 <_mamalala> lol
50:32 <_mamalala> Ysjoelfir: that was just mean :)
50:38 <Ysjoelfir> but true! :D
50:49 <_mamalala> hehe
51:12 <_mamalala> he could also have an english car ... which would have leaked all it's fluids halfway
51:12 <Ysjoelfir> i'm sure the driver can, though
51:18 <Ysjoelfir> true :D
51:19 <rust_collector> as long as it is not built like a tank, it will do ok
51:45 <rust_collector> english cars....
51:47 <Ysjoelfir> if it would be an opel it would rust away before he even leaves france
52:00 <rust_collector> they never got TO france
52:09 <_mamalala> rust_collector: haha
52:35 <rust_collector> well, that is a bit weird now, that it is a french company, lol
53:42 <rust_collector> I have had 4 peugeots. they got home, most of the time
54:13 <Lemon> I got a ford fusion, its alright !
54:19 <Lemon> well, I hope xd
54:27 <_mamalala> well, the brits and the french: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ydv9Ef-99I
54:29 <_mamalala> muahaha
54:40 <rust_collector> yeah
54:47 <rust_collector> PPPPPPPPPPPPPPFFFTFFTTFTTTTT
54:49 <rust_collector> !!
55:39 <rust_collector> You had some weird things, like the renault dodge, which was british
55:53 <_mamalala> damn, what have i gotten myself into ... now i need to clean up this place and brush away the cobwebs.... hahaha
56:07 <rust_collector> just rent a room somewhere
56:16 <_mamalala> nahh, it's all fine
56:16 <Lemon> clean ?
56:20 <Lemon> man please dont bother xd
56:29 <Lemon> if you saw our house... man
56:38 <_mamalala> haha, just joking :)
56:38 <Lemon> cats everywhere, dirt cobwebs etc
56:43 <Lemon> I hope !
56:46 <rust_collector> then Lemon would have to take a shower, and that is maybe not worth it
57:13 <_mamalala> it's kind of a running joke for me, because of the type of place i'm in
57:36 <_mamalala> it's an old industrial/commercial building, in the backyard of regular houses
58:07 <_mamalala> some people are shocked, some are in awe, when they visit me.... hehe
58:18 <rust_collector> brick walls?
58:20 <_mamalala> but hey, as said, i like it that way
58:21 <Lemon> I love the industrial look
58:52 <_mamalala> not that industrial.... but quite a thing nonetheless
59:05 <Lemon> another reason to see it in person !!
59:11 <_mamalala> and again, the rent is incredible :P
59:25 <_mamalala> 150 euros a month, for over 100 square meters
59:42 <rust_collector> oooh
00:15 <_mamalala> well, ok, i do some "hausmeister" stuff for the landlords ... taking out the trash bins, etc.... but still
00:25 <Ysjoelfir> I remembered talking about rents not so long ago... oO yikes... I would love to pay that :D
00:48 <rust_collector> I pay something like...uhm
00:51 <Lemon> I pay double that for 50sqm in a small town :>
01:11 <_mamalala> Ysjoelfir: that's the beauty of the "Ruhrpott"... you can get silly cheap places, if you are prepared to cope with some stuff
01:34 <rust_collector> 650 or so
01:39 <Ysjoelfir> thats one reason I always loved to live there
02:32 <Ysjoelfir> here in frankfurt we pay 800 for 70m². and that is dirt cheap. when you look around, you cant get anything under 900 for that size
02:58 <_mamalala> lots of backyard buildings here, or semi-industrial ones, that are just empty and almost rotting away
03:10 <rust_collector> I pay 650, but mom owns this house, so... i get an ok deal on it
04:13 <_mamalala> so, i can do everything i want in here... and since it's backyard, i have no direct neighbours... on the other hand, i can't expect the landlords to do anything when it comes to maintenance of this place.... but that's just perfectly fine by me
04:32 <rust_collector> maybe I should learn russian and come down there to rent some old shed
04:49 <_mamalala> toilet breaks? i have to fix it... leak in the roof? my problem, etc...
05:22 <rust_collector> so... you have a BIG glue gun
05:22 <_mamalala> but at that price it's still a huge bargain for me
05:27 <_mamalala> haha
05:43 <_mamalala> nah, i'm just a handy guy
06:45 <_mamalala> imagine .... cranking your amp up in the middle of the night, to max, and no one complains because no direct neighbours ... haha
06:55 <Lemon> livin the dream !
08:23 <rust_collector> If I moved down there, I could buy one of those t157, and drive that down to the store
08:42 <_mamalala> t157?
09:16 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/t157-bagger-lader-zwiebelzieher-huehnerknie-rs09-gt124/1319561139-276-4022
09:33 <Lemon> ho btw I forgot, the counter is a 5345a ?
09:42 <_mamalala> rust_collector: hahaha
09:45 <_mamalala> Lemon: yes
10:14 <_mamalala> some years ago i adjusted it against a rubidion osc, and it supposedly has a high stabilty oven osc in it
10:25 <_mamalala> but no other options
10:26 <rust_collector> 5345... not the best name for a counter...
10:43 <Lemon> its already a dream machine !!!
10:44 <_mamalala> rust_collector: yea, that occured to me too
10:52 <Lemon> you know another reason I want to get both those pieces in person
10:58 <Lemon> is that I dont trust shipping that much
11:11 <_mamalala> Lemon: you can shove in a plugin-module so that it can do GHz as well
11:54 <Lemon> yeah I read that ! idk if those are hard to find :>
12:10 <Lemon> and the fluke is a 8502a with every options besides that cal one right ?
12:22 <_mamalala> exactly
12:40 <Lemon> they will probably both be the best things I'll own for a long time :>
13:35 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-HP-Keysight-5356A-18-GHz-Frequency-Converter/231328032358?hash=item35dc39a666:g:6fAAAOSw7NNUDiBq
13:40 <Lemon> with that it can go up to 18ghz ?
17:50 <Lemon> it will go really well with the wavetek 164 !
18:04 <Lemon> so much things to learn, I will print manuals to read them before sleeping haha
19:07 <_mamalala> Lemon: nah, that's not the proper plugin
19:24 <Lemon> I need to read more about it ! but anywah, 500mhz man...
19:33 <Lemon> its already a lot more than what I will need !
19:44 <Lemon> it will take me month to learn about both those pieces :>
19:54 <Lemon> especially the fluke with all those options !
19:55 <_mamalala> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5345A-5355A-Electronic-Counter-Freq-Conv/352971945108?hash=item522ec47494:g:RXoAAOSwG11eRzXT
20:00 <_mamalala> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-5345A-Electronic-Counter-with-HP-5354A-4-GHz-Frequency-Counter-PlugIn/254432581084?hash=item3b3d5d15dc:g:vmcAAOSwQ3Jd2uUo
20:11 <_mamalala> these are two examples of that counter with different plugins
20:23 <Lemon> haaa ok I see !
20:29 <_mamalala> the plugin is the 1/3rd of the right of the panel
20:41 <Lemon> on yours theres the stock plate to hide it right ?
20:55 <_mamalala> yes
21:00 <Lemon> thats so perfect
21:14 <Lemon> well, I think I will pay you a visit this weekend then :>
21:36 <Lemon> you'll get to hear my terrible english accent haha
21:44 <_mamalala> from what i remember, there's also some kind of plugin-adapter thing that you can slide in, to accept other plugins ... but dunno about that, other than that it exists
21:57 <_mamalala> well, my spoken english isn't that much better either
22:14 <Lemon> as long as we somewhat understand each others !
22:23 <_mamalala> do you eat meat, or are some fancy vegetarion or such? asking so that i know what to cook
22:36 <Lemon> ho I eat everything :>
22:51 <_mamalala> ok...
22:54 <Lemon> theres no much things I dislike
23:00 <Lemon> I just dont eat rabbit/horse
23:06 <Lemon> and domestic animals, ofc :>
23:11 <rust_collector> what?
23:14 <_mamalala> guess i make stuffed bell peppers then
23:35 <coppice_> stuffed with foreign animals?
23:42 <Lemon> thats one of my fav meal ;O
23:50 <_mamalala> coppice_: nah, minced meat
23:57 <rust_collector> horse stuffed with rabbits and kittens
24:14 <coppice_> but is has to be foreign. he won't eat the domestic ones
24:26 <Lemon> haha
24:27 <rust_collector> those frenchies....
24:35 <_mamalala> well ... if you really want something stuffed, get haggis ... it's basically just a sheep turned inside out...
24:46 <_mamalala> :P
25:06 <coppice_> or a taxidermist
25:21 <_mamalala> and they probably do it so the sheep can't tell what they'd done to it before... haha
25:32 <rust_collector> grilled jellyfish, yum yum
25:46 <_mamalala> that can be grilled?
25:51 <Ampera> I've had rabbit, it tastes of chicken
25:51 <rust_collector> sure!
25:58 <coppice_> I haven't had jellyfish for a while
25:58 <rust_collector> rabbit is not bad
26:00 <Ampera> I also have a pet rabbit, I don't know what to know what it tastes like
26:22 <coppice_> rabbit is fairly distinctive. I wouldn't say its like chicken
26:33 <rust_collector> I am sure it does not mind if you lick it a little bit
26:37 <Ampera> rabbit I had was
26:37 <coppice_> frog is like chicken
26:47 <Ampera> chicken is like chicken
26:49 <coppice_> crocodile is like chicken, but whiter
27:08 <_mamalala> coppice_: well, and with the right frog, you get a marvellous tripping time as well :P
27:09 <coppice_> lots of things are a lot more like chicken than rabbit is
27:32 <_mamalala> meh, i guess that if in doubt, everything tastes like chicken, after all
27:40 <rust_collector> western people only know 3 kinds of meat
27:44 <coppice_> _mamalala: well if it takes you on a trip that counts as foreign meat
27:47 <rust_collector> so that could be it
28:19 <coppice_> raw, fried and boiled?
28:50 <rust_collector> living, dead, and done, you mean?
29:11 <rust_collector> I was thniking of something else, but
33:47 <Ampera> oh man am I hungry
34:47 <rust_collector> hmm, I suggest oatmeal, raisins, and chopped nuts,
34:57 <Ampera> I don't have any oats, raisins, nor nuts.
35:02 <rust_collector> hmm
35:04 <Ampera> but that sounds quite good
35:08 <rust_collector> do you have any food?
35:10 <Ampera> perhaps with some maple syrup
35:13 <Ampera> I have pretzels
35:24 <rust_collector> well, then use that
35:26 <Ampera> but I don't want any of those, I've been eating them all day
35:41 <rust_collector> pretzels and maple syrup
35:42 <_mamalala> Ampera: no nuts? so i guess you are married then? :P
36:03 <rust_collector> some people say he is nuts
36:10 <Ampera> some people are correct
36:15 <Ampera> I wish I didn't have any nuts
36:17 <_mamalala> hehe
37:51 <rust_collector> they do get in the way some times
38:10 <Ampera> do any of you ever think that our entire world might just be the impossibly rational feverdream of an insane asylum patient, currently screaming and crying, strapped hard to a steel bed?
38:30 <_mamalala> lol
38:38 <Ampera> that we aren't actually living our lives, and that we are simply one irk away from just going fucking mental
38:38 <rust_collector> i have pretty much assumed it was
38:49 <_mamalala> or some simulation... sim-city advanced
38:54 <Lemon> I'll go from a fluke 101 to a 8502a full options, not bad ! :>
39:22 <_mamalala> Lemon: you may have to adjust/calibrate at some point, i guess
39:33 <_mamalala> at least the ohms range, since that module was swapped
39:43 <Lemon> ho no worries about that ! im sure its already quite accurate :>
39:49 <rust_collector> mamalala needs a little fluke, at least he saves a lot of space
39:53 <_mamalala> but then, the tech manual gives all the instructions needed to do that
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40:00 <Ampera> I've been doing regression QA for the past 2 weeks and a couple days, I'm starting to go mental :P
40:02 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how do
40:14 <_mamalala> regression qa?
40:15 <Lemon> and I'll have the Vref to compare it :>
40:30 <ThunderSqueak> Hi there Ampera
40:32 <rust_collector> Ampera, in just a few years of doing that, you can apply for a job at the post office
40:51 <ThunderSqueak> things are going ok, just spending some time painting and healing
40:55 <Ampera> _mamalala, basically you have a big box of to-do lists around 6000 strong, you get a handful of people, and you all have to sit infront of a computer dealing with a broken program
40:59 <Ampera> or more often, broken tests.
41:12 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, what have you been painting?
41:14 <_mamalala> Ampera: aww...
41:15 <rust_collector> ThunderSqueak, do you paint paintings, or... barns
41:22 <Ampera> Art is a study I've been sorely neglecting.
41:24 <ThunderSqueak> paintings <.<
41:29 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: and what are you healing from, if i may ask?
41:34 <ThunderSqueak> uhm let me see what I have online
41:39 <Ampera> fruit and shit?
42:11 <ThunderSqueak> and I am healing from having a dr cut my skull open and mess with things that make me... well me..., then put the bone back and pull my face back up like a sock
42:37 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: oof... sorry to hear that
42:42 <rust_collector> that is a serious nose job
43:45 <ThunderSqueak> it isnt a nose job
44:11 <ThunderSqueak> craniotomy
44:44 <ThunderSqueak> dr said it would take 3-6 months to be mostly healed and up to a year to fully heal
44:50 <ThunderSqueak> not been 3 months yet
44:56 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
45:11 <rust_collector> but it seems to be going ok so far?
46:44 <ThunderSqueak> so, as for art... let me find some pics
47:06 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679428588906479637/image3.jpg
47:11 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679428588226740239/image2.jpg
47:17 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679428587660771349/image1.png
47:22 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679428586943283210/image0.jpg
47:27 <ThunderSqueak> random stuff like that
47:41 <ThunderSqueak> mostly painting dreams
47:58 <_mamalala> look great
48:03 <_mamalala> *looks
48:13 <rust_collector> That cat is awesome
48:23 <_mamalala> especially like the first one, since i love cats
48:28 <Ysjoelfir> wow, those are some nice pictures!
48:29 <ThunderSqueak> I drew the cat while it was looking in my window
48:31 <Ampera> that's beautiful, ThunderSqueak
48:34 <Ysjoelfir> the gf already loves the cat^^
48:45 <rust_collector> the last one... looks sort of familiar in some way wth?
49:04 <ThunderSqueak> I happened to have my sketchpad next to me so I didnt need to move and accidently scare it
49:07 <Ysjoelfir> the last one - i agree with rusty
49:23 <ThunderSqueak> the last one is a dream I had
49:31 <_mamalala> the second one is very nice as well, like it the most except the first
50:03 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak, very cool :)
50:11 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: do you sell your art?
50:12 <ThunderSqueak> I looked it up later... it is the web, represents the 9 worlds, the 3 norn, all the futhark
50:19 <ThunderSqueak> and no, I dont sell, I paint for me
50:46 <ThunderSqueak> many years ago, when I was a teenager, I wanted to be an artist... I loved art
50:47 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: ahh, ok, fair enough
51:10 <ThunderSqueak> I was told that I would never make a living at it, so I gave up... I needed money to take care of medical issues
51:10 <T3sl4> you're making the error of assuming those are exclusive :P
51:19 <ThunderSqueak> so, I gave up art in order to live XD
51:48 <ThunderSqueak> anyway, doubt anyone would want my stuff hanging on their wall.. :P
52:04 * T3sl4 nudges ThunderSqueak, points at _mamalala
52:08 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: well, i would be interrested in the second one, though :P
52:12 <rust_collector> I guess you have not seen my wall
52:15 <ThunderSqueak> image 2 ?
52:23 <Ampera> Struggle, talent, and modesty, three marks of an excellent artist.
52:26 <_mamalala> yes, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679428588226740239/image2.jpg
52:28 <ThunderSqueak> oh, that was a very vivid dream
53:20 <Ysjoelfir> i have some cool art at my walls, too :) I like individual styles. while the gf loves the cat, I love the last one. I always admire people that can do arts^^
53:24 <Ampera> I have an hour more of pounding away at tests to go
53:26 <ThunderSqueak> I was following two raven through a forest... and came on a clearing, there was that spire standing there, the aurora blazed overhead... I could hear one of the ravens crying... I kept hearing it until I painted that
53:26 <Ampera> then I get to go home
53:28 <Ampera> sleep
53:29 <Ampera> then do it again
54:11 <Ysjoelfir> that is a strange dream that results in a nice picture
54:29 <ThunderSqueak> not that strange for me tbh
54:52 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: i like it because i have crows (?) in my backyard, during the day they pick on the cat food i have out there... really funny to watch them
55:11 <ThunderSqueak> ah, those are ravens but yes ^^
55:18 <ThunderSqueak> Huginn and Muninn
55:24 <ThunderSqueak> Odin's ravens
55:26 <Ampera> I wish I had more dreams, I enjoy nightmares, but they are far too infrequent
55:38 <Ampera> inb4 someone says I wish I remembered more dreams
55:43 <ThunderSqueak> I am one of those pesky pagan folk <.<;;
55:50 <_mamalala> well, same family of birds... in gemran, it's all called "Krähenvögel" or such, iirc
56:12 <ThunderSqueak> same family but there are still differences
56:14 <_mamalala> *german
56:19 <_mamalala> yes, true
56:34 <_mamalala> but theym they usually don't have blue feathers either :P
56:36 <ThunderSqueak> so yeah, now you know what my art style looks like :P
56:41 <T3sl4> i don't dream about media very often; there was one occasion where i dreamt about a couple scenes in doom, this being one of them https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Dream1.jpg
56:42 <_mamalala> *then
56:53 <ThunderSqueak> well, they were black in the dream but glowed in an otherworldly light
56:55 <ThunderSqueak> divine
56:56 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: i like your art very much, i must say
57:07 <rust_collector> they do look sort of black-blue, if the sun hits them just right
57:39 <_mamalala> me, i can't paint for shit... heck, even my handwriting looks like a 6 year old ones
57:40 <ThunderSqueak> I have lots of ravens that hang out around my house
57:51 <ThunderSqueak> my wife loves the fact I do
58:07 <_mamalala> i can draw nifty circuit schematics, though ... haha
58:08 <ThunderSqueak> but in her faith, she is alaskan native, they have a meaning too
58:19 <ThunderSqueak> apparently they are keeping an eye on me XD
58:28 <_mamalala> hehe, nice
58:48 <rust_collector> they keep an eye on everything, you know, mr odin missing an eye and all
58:53 <_mamalala> they are pretty intellignet birds, after all ... can even use tools
59:00 <ThunderSqueak> they can
59:14 <ThunderSqueak> oddly I also have the only car in the parking lot they don't poop on XD
59:24 <_mamalala> haha
59:34 <_mamalala> seems they really do like you
59:46 <ThunderSqueak> but, I think that is because I don't chase them off and sometimes feed them
59:47 <T3sl4> back in school i did a 2D art class, in which i drew/painted a couple neat things; never stuck with it tho
59:58 <ThunderSqueak> my neighbors do however chase them off
00:00 <T3sl4> i don't seem to have any pics handy tho..
00:16 <ThunderSqueak> back in high school, a lot of my art was stolen by teachers
00:33 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: aww, that
00:37 <_mamalala> 's terrible
00:43 <ThunderSqueak> often before it was even graded, I would leave a painting in the art room to dry.... and go back later and it would be missing
00:50 <ThunderSqueak> I would have to track it down
01:19 <ThunderSqueak> apparently teachers back then would see my stuff and take it and hang it in their room/office :/
01:49 <_mamalala> well, seeing those pics, it's somewhat understandable, though
01:56 <DHess_US> https://external-preview.redd.it/ODFVJqjulyDCc9sBRxTAlK16g7niGTk8ETzT7t6zmsw.jpg?auto=webp&s=7ca12c90fc4da0dc911debd044aa513e0fdf9b1f
02:06 <ThunderSqueak> I started leaving a note that said "don't touch, I need this graded still but paint is wet, that is why it is here... if you want it, ask... put your name on this note and I will talk to you AFTER it is graded... thanks"
02:56 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/Hw3Wn2K
03:05 <_mamalala> DHess_US: welcome to the world of "smart" home shit ...
04:07 <DHess_US> My go-to oscilloscope is a Tektronix 2232. Fuck you future.
04:27 <_mamalala> i mean, really, they all can't do basic security stuff right... who in their right mind would put all that crap into their homes and cars...
05:16 <DHess_US> And to think I was complaining that GMC's security hardware prevents you from push starting their manual transmission cars whether you buy the security option or not.
05:27 <_mamalala> "hey, let's put all our stuff in the cloud!! it's great, they say! let's get some AWS instance and do it!!" .... also: "passwords? what are those?"
05:28 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608362721699823709/679433283540615178/gay.jpg
05:30 <ThunderSqueak> <.<
05:51 <ThunderSqueak> I guess spread the good news? O.O
05:59 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: hahaha
06:28 <_mamalala> it's all about the interpretation with these "holy" texts, after all
06:34 <ThunderSqueak> yes XD
08:25 <ThunderSqueak> not that I am worried about it... I am a lesbian woman who is getting married to another lesbian woman and neither of us are followers of any religion that was born in the middle east ^^
10:03 <ThunderSqueak> hmm, my gerbils are nesting
10:31 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: sounds just fine by me ... in fact, i'm still wondering why all that old nonsense is still sticking around
10:54 <_mamalala> i mean, really ... you have stuff from 2 millenias ago, and try to apply it to nowdays... how silly is that
10:57 <rust_collector> well, at least we have the story about thor crossdressing. is there anything like that in the bible, or the other books?
11:08 <coppice_> DHess_US: with the terrible cellular coverage in the US is sounds like that could have driven into an underground car park and been stuck there
11:17 <T3sl4> hey, so i was hanging out at a table of lesbians the other night, and they threatened me with woman farts. is that a normal strategy?
11:27 <_mamalala> rust_collector: well, iirc there is something about not having other gods beside that particular one...
11:40 <ThunderSqueak> on an odd side note, her family is making sure I understand their beliefs and language and are making sure I know their old stories too.... I guess I will be a member of the tribe (they like me enough I am being adopted) <.<;;
11:49 <Lemon> tommorow I'll see if anyone wants a trip to essen this weekend, maybe it'll help to pay for fuel :>
11:50 <_mamalala> (which by itself is rather interresting... because it basically admits that there _are_ other gods)
12:05 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: nice!
12:41 <ThunderSqueak> well, I think it was because I took the time to introduce myself in their native language and learn enough I could converse ^^
12:50 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: since you speak of a "tribe", it seems they are pretty open minded for what is usually referred to as a tribe
12:53 <ThunderSqueak> but to me, culture is important
13:08 <DHess_US> coppice_, possibly but reinforced concrete buildings are usually pretty good about cellular coverage because the structure bounces the signals well.
13:20 <ThunderSqueak> _mamalala, I know... it is because I am getting married to one of them
13:54 <_mamalala> ThunderSqueak: yeah... best of luck to you two!
14:08 <ThunderSqueak> and oddly enough, because I am not christian
14:47 <ThunderSqueak> they have some very bad blood between them and missionaries in relatively recent history
15:02 <_mamalala> well, in my opinion, not being a member of any of these abrahamic religions is a good thing ... doesn't mean that any of the other religions are any good either, though
15:04 <DHess_US> Steal this IP address bitch, https://i.ibb.co/PhMJxdW/4.jpg
15:11 <rust_collector> so, now I am wondering if you see many similarities between what they believe, and your wiews?
15:24 <ThunderSqueak> then there is the fact that apparently I look native <.<.... wrong skin color but I guess my bone structure and such heh
15:36 <ThunderSqueak> there are TONS of similarities
15:59 <ThunderSqueak> like seriously... but both faiths are born of the north
16:08 <rust_collector> right
16:22 <ThunderSqueak> ways our ancestors tried to explain things, even a lot of the animals are the same
17:03 <ThunderSqueak> we have been trading stories
17:20 <coppice_> DHess_US: you can be in a LOT of urban spots in the US and not get cellular. A car demanding to start sounds inherently flaky. Even in a place with first class cellular, like Singapoer and HK, the buses have a reversionary way of dealing with fares because cellular is not 100% reliable
18:24 <ThunderSqueak> anyway... just interesting
19:06 <rust_collector> I do not think I have ever met a native alaskan, so... I just have no idea.
19:13 <Ysjoelfir> I read something about tribes... what were you talking about? :D was just a few minutes distracted while playing :X
19:37 <ThunderSqueak> hmm, my future wife is an Alaskan Native
20:11 <coppice_> there's a gag lurking in here about sealing a relationship
20:20 <Ysjoelfir> thats cool and something you don't hear all day :D
20:21 <coppice_> between polar opposites
21:21 <Ysjoelfir> i wish you the best for your future then :)
25:25 <Ampera> Welp I've done a lot of good work
27:37 <Ampera> I'm in the uncomfortable position of having 30 minutes left at work, but not having something I can do that quickly
33:04 <Lemon> hey _mamalala, I'll send you an email on friday to confirm it but I think I'll come on saturday ! is it ok for you ?
34:22 <_mamalala> Lemon: absolutely, yes
34:34 <Lemon> super cool :D
34:39 <Lemon> im really excited !
35:12 <_mamalala> ahh, damit
35:32 <_mamalala> what was my password again to identify here ... ThunderSqueakjust /msg'd me ....
35:38 <_mamalala> what a silly server this is :P
36:25 <Ysjoelfir> That explains why you didn't respond to my pm from.... some hours ago^^
36:56 <_mamalala> Ysjoelfir: what? a few hours ago i wasn't even on this irc
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37:18 <Ysjoelfir> 20:39 ^^
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37:45 <mamalala> ahhh, remembered it
38:09 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, that's just a short while ago, not a few hours :P
38:17 <Ysjoelfir> true^^
41:09 <mamalala> ThunderSqueak: can you see me in the pruvate chat / query?
41:13 <mamalala> *private
42:54 <ThunderSqueak> I can
42:56 <ThunderSqueak> brb
43:32 <mamalala> ahh, ok, i was worried that even after identifying it wouldn't go through
43:53 <mamalala> after all, this server is somewhat strange when it comes to these things
47:59 <ThunderSqueak> back
48:01 <ThunderSqueak> :>
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54:35 <Ysjoelfir> welcome back :)
55:17 <mamalala> :)
55:26 <Lemon> alright peeps time to sleep !
55:36 <Lemon> I wish you a good day/evening
55:37 <Ysjoelfir> same here, soon
55:41 <mamalala> Lemon: pfff... ran out of baguettes, or what?
55:49 <Ysjoelfir> XD
55:54 <Lemon> yeah im baguettes-less tonight
55:56 <mamalala> no juice in the youth of today... haha
55:58 <Lemon> no more force !
56:22 <Lemon> see you buds :>
56:37 <mamalala> see you... maybe even literally :)
56:43 <Ysjoelfir> :D I would stay for much longer, buuut: need to bring my bachelors thesis to the university tomorrow morning
56:51 <Lemon> yess ! i'd say, surely :P
57:00 <Ysjoelfir> so, I'm off too :)
57:22 <mamalala> woah
57:32 <mamalala> even the krauts cave in early ...
57:42 <mamalala> what a disappontment :P
57:47 <Ysjoelfir> not because I want to ;)
57:58 <Ysjoelfir> or even because I feel tired or whatever :D
58:36 <Ysjoelfir> i would prefer to look on ebay for big 3 phase motors a bit longer, but university openes only very short time -.-
59:16 <mamalala> "university"
59:45 <Ysjoelfir> true. its not an university, its a Fachhochschule that just likes to call itself "university of applied science", because thats cooler
59:53 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1752437286.htm/
59:55 <Lemon> just saw this
00:03 <Lemon> pretty deal ! but no more money :>
01:23 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: well, it depends on what it teaches ... most stuff is rather pointless, even for unis ....
01:45 <Ysjoelfir> I'm just happy that I'm done with this nonsense there..
01:59 <mamalala> Lemon: that's way too much money they ask for
02:10 <Lemon> you sure ?
02:19 <Lemon> those 179 alone go for like, 150-200 no ?
02:27 <Lemon> the clamp is 330 new I thikn
03:02 <Lemon> but anyway I dont need it and I dont have the funds, the last money I have will go into fuel to see you :P
03:05 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: yea, but what do you hopr to get out of it? i mean, studying may be all fun and stuff, but what do you do with a basically useless "degree"? ... other than boasting "i went wo X for many moons!!"?
03:13 <Lemon> well time to go, bye bois !
03:45 <mamalala> and gals
03:56 <mamalala> not a male-only chat here, after all
03:58 <Ysjoelfir> exactly that - to have a piece of paper that allows me to say to the boss "ey, I went there for an unneccessary long time, gimme more money!" :)
04:18 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: good luck with that ....
04:27 <mamalala> i mean, seriously
04:41 <mamalala> when i was living in munich, i saw job ads that were just crazy
05:09 <Ysjoelfir> you mean those like "I want you to have a phd degree, 20 years of experience and please, not older than 20 years!"?
05:23 <mamalala> basically a shit job, but required a "studium".... and demanded 3 months of free apprenticeship
05:31 <mamalala> and that was what, 20 years or so ago
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05:47 <mamalala> yes, exactly those
05:57 <mamalala> and now, here's the thing
06:28 <mamalala> is anyone really surprised that software quality, security, etc. is that shit nowdays?
06:47 <Ysjoelfir> I for myself am not. its to be expected
07:22 <mamalala> i mean, come on, who hasn't boasted about whatever small thing they did ... so that the hiring person is impressed ... and with these requirements, who isn't boasting
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08:12 <mamalala> in the end, we get a shitload of crap people who claim to be able to do things that they really can't ... but since the hiring person is even stupidier, no one is the wiser, and shit degrades quickly
08:45 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely true, sadly.
09:09 <Ysjoelfir> I'm still happy that I learned a job and working in that before studying
10:35 <mamalala> yea, me too
11:06 <mamalala> i'm a trained electrician... and after i leanred that (Ausbildung) i did another one, offset-printing
11:45 <mamalala> back in my time, all there was to study when it came to computers was general "Informatik" ...
11:52 <mamalala> so it was rather unappealing to me
13:11 <Ysjoelfir> <-- Radio-Television-Technician here. worked in that for 6 years, did only get crappy jobs so I started to learn more and get certificates for various stuff.
13:25 <Ysjoelfir> now I have a rather nice job
14:01 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: haha, sucks to be you, now that everything is digital!!!!
15:03 <Ysjoelfir> true. I learned to recover CRTs, repair horizontal deflection stages and stuff like that. in the later jobs I only changed boards or fixed crap for Mediamarkt
20:16 <mamalala> ahh, great!!! so you can repaur my broken samsung then!!!1elf!!
21:04 <Ysjoelfir> :P maybe, but not sure if I would ever want to work in that field again. I'm happy to be working as a design engineer now
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32:33 <Halcyon> Fucking NBN
33:19 * steve30 waves to Halcyon 
35:36 <Halcyon> Hey
36:08 <steve30> I need a coffee
36:25 <Halcyon> I need a new modem. Because a storm last night fried mine (again)
36:45 <Halcyon> Because some fuckwits in Government thought it would be a brilliant idea to install copper infrastructure in a storm-prone area
37:03 <Halcyon> That's twice now in a year I've had modems, routers and switches destroyed
37:13 <steve30> :(
37:58 <Halcyon> So yet again, I'm up for a new modem, the on-board NICs in my router/firewall have fried
42:52 <steve30> could you claim some compensation from the telco?
43:25 <Halcyon> It's not the Telco/ISPs fault, they don't own the infrastructure. NBN Co. is government owned and getting ANYTHING out of them is near impossible
43:27 <Halcyon> I'll try though
59:32 <steve30> Ah, I guess NBN is similar to our 'Openreach'
00:03 <steve30> Openreach now have the slogan "Connecting you to your network".
00:16 <steve30> Which is stupid because they aren't allowed to touch any part of your network.
01:14 <Halcyon> It's just retards in Government who have no idea about technology making decisions
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05:20 <Lemon> hello bois
05:20 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
05:30 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
06:03 <steve30> hi
06:37 <Lemon> my poor wavetek is still moving on the tracking but not there yet
06:37 <Lemon> grrrr
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34:16 <Lemon> im so tired of those fucking surges
34:37 <Halcyon> Lemon, don't talk to me about surges
34:48 <Halcyon> A storm took out my modem and on-board NICs on my router last night
34:55 <Lemon> I swear as soon as I have the cash I get a bigass ups
35:04 <Lemon> aye crap
35:04 <Halcyon> Because our government things that a copper VDSL2 network is better than fibre
35:11 <Halcyon> *thniks
35:14 <Halcyon> *thinks
35:17 <Lemon> thonks
36:35 <Halcyon> So yes, I'm very annoyed
36:59 <Lemon> that sucks yeah !
37:10 <Lemon> im annoyed because my workstation takes a few minutes each time to settle up
37:17 <Lemon> and I was on the phone
37:22 <Lemon> waiting for those stupid bots
39:25 <Lemon> I decided to get every pdf of manuals of my gear
39:35 <Lemon> and get some nice books, if you have some references
39:40 <Lemon> like keithley low measurement blabla etc
49:33 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
50:59 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
51:02 <Halcyon> I'm grumpy
51:03 <Ampera> how do
51:05 <Ampera> I see that
51:11 <Halcyon> *nod*
51:17 <Halcyon> Currently using my mobile phone for internet
51:53 * steve30000 purrs at Halcyon 
52:08 <Ampera> might seem like a stupid thing to say, but aren't there surge arrestors for DSL lines?
52:38 <Ampera> speaking of mobile phone I bought myself a new one
52:45 <Lemon> hey guys, do you have some nice books to recommend for analog electronics/measurement ? like the art of electronics, calibration philosophy etc
52:48 <Halcyon> There are but they adversely impact line sync speeds (usually) and they won't survive lightning strikes
53:06 <Ampera> idea isn't for it to survive, it's for the gear on the other end to survive
53:33 <Halcyon> *shrug* I will look into it but I haven't had a lot of luck with them in the past
53:33 <Ampera> but perhaps moving the problem to the ethernet link between your modem and router would be a better idea, if they have arrestors for CAT5/6
53:38 <Halcyon> It's cheaper just to buy another modem every time
53:46 <Ampera> modems are cheap
53:49 <Ampera> NICs may or may not be
53:56 <Ampera> particularly if they're the onboard ones and you fry a whole motherbaord
54:00 <Halcyon> I usually have fibre between my modem and router
54:14 <Halcyon> It's just last time it blew up, I didn't get around to replacing the media converter
54:46 <Halcyon> Surprisingly though the server kept running normally (minus two NIC ports)
54:49 <Ampera> I have to go to work in a couple of hours
54:52 <Halcyon> It just had a red error LED lit
55:27 <Halcyon> I opened the cover and there was a skid mark on the board
55:33 <Ampera> I may or may not be getting paid today
55:43 <Halcyon> Hooray!
55:54 <Ampera> well maybe use a PCIe NIC, because those are cheap
56:20 <Ampera> or even simply a switching box, with two Fast Ethernet NICs in them that will take the heat
56:25 <Halcyon> I deliberately didn't use a PCIe NIC in this because I got the server for next to nothing, the NICs I have are worth more
56:40 <Ampera> I could probably get PCIe NICs for next to nothing
56:48 <Ampera> especially Fast Ethernet ones
56:55 <Ampera> which people would probably pay /me/ to take
57:05 <Halcyon> I was planning to replace the router anyway but just not yet
57:13 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324074198175 Halcyon here's the phone I bought
57:17 <Halcyon> My car is due for a service + rego next month
57:31 <Halcyon> Oh nice, yeh they aren't bad
57:42 <Ampera> The only downside about my router is the NICs aren't screwed in, since they're low profile
57:47 <Ampera> so I just bent the tabs up and taped them in
57:47 <Halcyon> Still a Chinese spy phone but less-so than Huawei :P
57:58 <Ampera> not a chinese spy phone if I put GNU on it
58:09 <Ampera> word is there's an active GNU/Linux hack available for it
58:12 <Halcyon> Depends what the baseband radio is doing, but yeh, you're right
58:28 <Ampera> a VPN will take care of that regardless
58:30 <Ampera> or TLS
58:32 <Halcyon> Indeed
58:44 <Ampera> and it's not like mobile providers don't spy anyways
58:53 <Halcyon> But yeh, since I now have to buy new gear, I'm considering this: https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/xg-7100-1u.html
59:01 <Halcyon> The providers don't. We do.
59:02 <Halcyon> :P
59:12 <Ampera> Looks fucking expensive
59:18 <Halcyon> It is fucking expensive
59:24 <Ampera> but why would you buy that
59:35 <Halcyon> Because building a similar 1RU server would cost more
59:36 <Ampera> the amount of data you'll be pushing around is puny compared to what that could handle
59:42 <Halcyon> Plus this has 10 Gig ports
59:58 <Ampera> but do you even need to route 10Gb?
00:11 <Halcyon> On the WAN side, true, but not on the LAN side. I am building a separate storage network
00:23 <Ampera> how much is that thing
00:33 <Halcyon> USD$1000
00:38 <Ampera> yeah fuck that
01:14 <Ampera> for that price you can build a machine and have as many NICs as you want
01:17 <Halcyon> If you can find me a similar spec'd alternative that isn't a Chinese Amazon or Banggood special, I'm open to suggestions
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01:53 <Halcyon> And by similar specs, I also mean the low power consumption
01:54 <Ampera> Grab any reasonably modern 1-2U server off <insert tat hive here> and spend the rest of that money on nice NICs
02:18 <Lemon> YESSSS wavetek is avalaible ! in two hours
02:22 <Ampera> Intel Atom servers are piss cheap
02:23 <Lemon> I thought I was jinxed
02:26 <Lemon> and it would be lost
02:28 <Halcyon> I'm not settled on it yet, but it's an option
02:38 <Halcyon> I will actually check out Supermicro servers as well
02:52 <Lemon> just get a good ol r620 or so !!
02:57 <Lemon> :>
02:58 <Halcyon> Hah
03:13 <Lemon> or for approx 1000+ you can build something similar to mine, with QS chips
03:22 <Lemon> I paid 500 euros for my two cpus
03:28 <Lemon> which are e5 2698 v3
03:40 <Lemon> 16c32t 2.8ghz all core
03:43 <Halcyon> Yes but how much power does it draw?
03:50 <Halcyon> Remember, this is only a router/firewall
03:50 <Ampera> all of it
03:55 <Lemon> at full hmmm
04:01 <Lemon> no that much honestly
04:05 <Lemon> lemme see
04:18 <Lemon> approx 160w a piece
04:30 <Lemon> ha yeah for a router
04:36 <Halcyon> Yeh, way too much
04:38 <Lemon> then get a r620 or alike :>
04:43 <Lemon> for 500 euors you can get a nice one
04:48 <Lemon> you can even use it for some vms
05:06 <Halcyon> I have two hypervisors already
05:21 <Halcyon> As I said it will be a firewall appliance, nothing more
05:33 <Lemon> then maybe for even less !
05:41 <Lemon> a e5 2670 or something
05:46 <Lemon> some ddr3 ecc
06:02 <Lemon> a random board from whoever makes nice ones
06:05 <Ampera> He'd want an Atom
06:11 <Lemon> ho no please
06:14 <Ampera> or ideally an ARM solution, but he's both too stupid, and the market is too stupid for that
06:14 <Ampera> so
06:41 <Ampera> that being said if you want to do 10Gb routing, an atom might not cut it, Halcyon
07:01 <Lemon> honestly I wouldnt go for an atom
07:03 <Ampera> particularly if you have a lot of GbE NICs and vLANs
07:08 <Ampera> and why not
07:11 <Halcyon> Routing doesn't take up much CPU time
07:12 <Lemon> they can be good for really low power applications
07:13 <Lemon> but well
07:19 <Lemon> im not a fan
07:19 <Halcyon> Even at 10Gbit
07:19 <Ampera> Halcyon, what do you mean? It takes up tons.
07:25 <Halcyon> Not at all
07:47 <Halcyon> Once you start talking encryption or filtering, that's where CPU is needed
07:56 <Lemon> my father was using oldass laptops/frankenstein builds for his servers :>
08:03 <Lemon> he would praise the 'low tech'
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08:21 <Ampera> I wish we had affordable (or even existent) ARM solutions with PCIe
08:34 <Ampera> because this is the sort of stuff where it would be awesome
08:38 <Lemon> how mucch is a lattepanda ?
08:42 <Lemon> funny thingies
09:21 <Halcyon> That XG-7100 will do L3 forwarding at up to 18.6 Gbps
09:28 <Ampera> stupid that they'd call it the Lattepanda Alpha and not have a DEC Alpha chip on it
09:31 <Ampera> it's bullshit
09:43 <Halcyon> 6.81 Gbps through the firewall and 1.28 Gbps IPSEC (AES 128 bit)
10:08 <Ampera> that's not much
10:28 <Halcyon> That's perfectly adequate for a router
12:29 <Ampera> it's about as fast as what I have
12:37 <Ampera> and I have a dinky A6-5400k
12:45 <K> hello
12:57 <Halcyon> This thing also idles at 20 watts
13:05 <Halcyon> As I said, routing in itself isn't CPU intensive
13:08 <Ampera> no clue what mine idles at
13:13 <Ampera> yes but you're not just going to be doing routing
13:19 <Halcyon> The limitations are with the network interfaces and LAGG
13:29 <Ampera> despite you having two 10Gb NICs in there and 8 1Gb NICs
13:43 <Halcyon> No I'm not, but I'm also not going to be running something like Suricata either
13:44 <Ampera> and your vLANs and your firewall rules between those vLANs
14:09 <Halcyon> Correct
14:19 <Halcyon> Which for the most part will be 1 Gig
14:38 <Ampera> Lemon, those look rather neat, just out of being x86 dev boards with reasonably fast CPUs on them (for a dev board)
14:43 <Ampera> but it's a lot of 1Gb
15:02 <Ampera> but I really want a nice ARM computer that's not slow, and not thousands.
15:11 <Ampera> something good to fall in the 200-500USD price range that's actually worth that much
15:44 <K> have you considered jetson nano?
15:50 <Ampera> I have and it's a shit deal
15:50 <K> a dev board can be had for a whooping 99$
16:05 <Ampera> It was neat when it came out, then the Pi 4 came out and whopped its ass
16:13 <Ampera> it only wins in GPU, which is almost useless on an ARM platform for most people
16:26 <K> um, can rpi4 run cuda things?
16:35 <Ampera> no but I don't want to run CUDA things
16:38 <K> ah ok
16:40 <Ampera> nor do I care about CUDA things
16:51 <K> i respectully whithdraw
16:52 <Ampera> because if I wanted to run CUDA things, I'd do it with a real GPU, and not a 100 dollar playing card
16:56 <Ampera> lol
17:12 <Ampera> anyways I need to get ready for work
17:16 * Ampera kisses Halcyon on the way out
17:28 <Halcyon> Thanks :)
17:31 <Halcyon> I should go to bed
21:35 <Halcyon> Night all, have a good day Ampera
21:36 <Halcyon> xo
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25:05 <Lemon> after a lot of research I determined that the gtx 1080 second hand was the best option
25:12 <Lemon> you can get one for 200 euros
25:24 <Lemon> it got the performances of a 2060 super or a 2070
27:46 <Ysjoelfir> finally arrived at work x.x
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53:52 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, wanted to tell you, my dad was a TV mechanic when he lived in Germany, it's what he did an apprenticeship for
54:01 <Ampera> specifically TV repair, then he ended up doing installations too
54:11 <Ysjoelfir> nice :) when was that?
54:26 <Ampera> Well my dad was born 73, so late 80's well into the 90's
54:40 <Ampera> well maybe not late 80's doing the math
55:55 <Ysjoelfir> so he witnessed the high time of TV repair, which I always wanted. But sadly, I was to late :( I just got to live the dying of it
03:18 <Lemon> 73 ?
03:30 <Lemon> how old are you ? I always thought you'd be older than me :>
03:40 <Lemon> well maybe you are in fact
15:20 <Ampera> 18
15:42 <Lemon> really ? ;o pretty neat !
17:43 <Ampera> I wish I was born 73, that would mean I'm closer to croaking it
17:51 <Ampera> but sadly I have entirely too long to go
27:27 <Lemon> thats pretty nice to see a 18 y/o with that knowledge and being interested by all of this
27:45 <Lemon> people keep saying that for me and im almost 27, so heh
28:28 <Ampera> Lemon, all of what
28:54 <Lemon> well servers, computer/electronics in general, etc
29:01 <Lemon> anything other than parties and cellphones :>
36:36 <K> all of useless junk they will throw in, instead of dirt, to fill in your grave
37:04 <Ampera> K, that's the funniest thing I've seen all month.
38:32 <K> glorious.
39:26 <Ampera> i need more toids
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59:17 <hsn> Hello there
59:25 <hsn> hello
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