// #eevblog — 2020-02-21
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00:01:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Does anyone else notice a brief pause and blank frame a few seconds into a Youtube of late? Have never seen this before, but now it's a constant occurrence for me. (Using Chrome)
00:02:06 <Ysjoelfir> I guess the main selling point is the easy setting up
00:02:35 <rust_collector> that, and not having to drag a regular box around
00:03:30 <Ysjoelfir> the last one is the reason for me to have the Klappfix. or... actually its either a Camptourist or an Alpenkreuzer. Which is basically the same.
00:03:49 <Ysjoelfir> it's just so nice that the volvo doesn't even care if that thing is behind it.
00:04:19 <rust_collector> right, but that volvo was built to drag horses around, so that is cheating
00:04:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats also true^^
00:05:17 <rust_collector> My old jeep cherokee actually handled much better with a trailer on.
00:06:16 <Ysjoelfir> the same goes for the volvo - fuel consumption gets better with a trailer... well, ok, at least when the trailer isn't a box, 2.8 meters high and 2 meters wide...
00:06:39 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy about selling that jeep, just before it decided to never start again
00:07:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol :) that was luck
00:09:05 <rust_collector> my... uhm, step-dad-inlaw(?) bought the thing. I never did like that guy. but I got a good price for the thing
00:09:31 <rust_collector> He tried to make me fix it, but... as I said, I did not like the guy
00:09:36 <Ysjoelfir> hehe, even better :D
00:13:23 <rust_collector> but, it was a fun little car. and it did sound pretty good, with the 4.0 and a 2.5" pipe, exiting just before the rear wheel
00:15:24 <Ysjoelfir> I remember simmilar sounds from that 3.6L with the 4" pipe on my old Daimler... Yep, its nice :D
00:16:07 <rust_collector> daimler 3.6...
00:16:18 <rust_collector> the jaguar body thing?
00:16:58 <Ysjoelfir> nah. the Düsseldorfer transporter, my old firefighter truck
00:17:11 <rust_collector> oh
00:18:09 <rust_collector> I still wonder what engine mine had. The dealer guy just said "some kind of industrial engine"
00:18:50 <Ysjoelfir> would be very interesting to know that :) there were so many custom builds with that chassis...
00:19:30 <Ysjoelfir> I once saw a 400 series one with the axles of a 600, the motor of a DAF full size truck and custom build air suspension
00:19:39 <Ysjoelfir> that thing was..... very interesting
00:19:56 <rust_collector> yeah, and otoh, it was already 30 years old, so maybe the stock engive gave up after running with no oil since 1985
00:20:02 <rust_collector> heh, daf
00:25:28 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to get ma hands on a DAF 66. could be a fun car^^
00:49:31 <rust_collector> ooofff, yes
00:49:38 <rust_collector> sort of
00:49:49 <rust_collector> not so much as a car, but... interesting
00:50:03 <Ysjoelfir> I once had the chance to get one for reeeealy cheap
00:50:31 <rust_collector> back in the day, you could have them free, if you went to pick them up
00:50:48 <Ysjoelfir> is that so?
00:50:55 <rust_collector> so, todays client came, and went... YAAY
00:51:09 <rust_collector> yes, they were very very disposable
00:51:59 <Ysjoelfir> Like a Lada in Russia?
00:52:30 <rust_collector> same as the 80s skodas, and the lada everywhere, just after most people started buying normal western cars
00:53:35 <Ysjoelfir> Another one I would love to own one day would be a volga
00:53:50 <rust_collector> yes, those are nice
00:54:23 <rust_collector> I did not realize how big they are, until I ended up with one, lol
00:54:33 <Ysjoelfir> and, since we are at eastern products right now... a Dnepr and or Ural motorbike
00:55:32 <rust_collector> that volga had a chevy 6.2 diesel transplant. it was one of the best uses for those I have seen
00:55:56 <Ysjoelfir> that realy sounds great^^
00:56:36 <rust_collector> I hate those engines, but... yes, not a bad one in this case
00:58:03 <rust_collector> I would probably not do something like that now
00:59:54 <rust_collector> but, that volga... I think it had at least as much ground clearance as the old jeep. It was really tall in all ways
01:00:07 <Ysjoelfir> are they realy that big?
01:00:52 <rust_collector> https://st4.depositphotos.com/4617943/30216/i/1600/depositphotos_302169642-stock-photo-car-gaz-volga-orenburg-russia.jpg
01:01:51 <rust_collector> pretty tall, and in general much larger than I thought
01:07:19 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty monstrous
01:08:05 <rust_collector> http://www.thefoundrycast.com/single-post/2019/08/30/Black-Volga-The-True-Story
01:17:55 <Ampera> what is with this volga humor.
01:21:36 <rust_collector> no humor there, it is very very serious stuff
01:23:05 <Ampera> I don't need your trabants either.
01:23:16 <Ampera> It's all a lada nonsense
01:31:36 <Ysjoelfir> :D
01:31:46 <Ysjoelfir> And i will go home now. cu :)
01:31:49 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
01:52:08 <rust_collector> client #2 came, and went... just a light bulb
01:52:33 <Ampera> rust_collector, are you a mechanic?
01:52:38 <rust_collector> I wonder why they make cars that you have to take the light out of the car to replace the bulbs
01:52:52 <rust_collector> Not as such, But it feels like it some times
01:52:59 <Ampera> well then what do you do
01:53:03 <Ampera> besides collect rust
01:54:36 <rust_collector> I drive trucks, and fix problems for the boss, I do have quite a few "customers" here at home, that needs small things done to their cars, but I would not say I am a mechanic
01:56:41 <rust_collector> I do need to upgrade my tools a bit now, as the cars are getting more modern, and I need more test stuff for the electronics. I have done ok so far, with just an usb scope, and a dmm. but I want a breakout box for the diagnostics port, and some stuff like that
01:59:20 Join: Lemon ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
01:59:29 <Lemon> long nap it was
02:00:52 <rust_collector> what?
02:00:59 <Lemon> hello rust
02:01:04 <rust_collector> oh hey
02:01:05 <Ampera> was it a good nap?
02:01:06 <Lemon> I napped for like, 3h30 ?
02:01:11 <Lemon> ho pretty decent yes
02:01:20 <Ampera> excellent, excellent.
02:01:28 <Lemon> as I barely sleep at night even when I go early
02:01:47 <rust_collector> I would blame the eu
02:01:55 <Lemon> always blame the eu
02:02:02 <rust_collector> I do!
02:02:22 <Ampera> lol
02:04:17 <rust_collector> so, mr Lemon did you see marco reps video about his old voltmeter?
02:04:21 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4hikkIJ_YI
02:04:29 <Lemon> I think I've seen them all !
02:04:31 <Lemon> the new one ?
02:04:34 <rust_collector> it seems like just the thing you do not need to see
02:04:36 <rust_collector> yes
02:04:50 <Lemon> yeah I degusted it this morning :>
02:05:20 <Lemon> those dmms are somewhat affordable, there was one working for 1300 euros I think, plus 300 for shipping
02:05:28 <Lemon> voltmeter not dmm
02:05:38 <Lemon> notice the somewhat
02:05:44 <Lemon> its still quite a lot im not ready to shell :>
02:05:59 <rust_collector> well, being pre-ancient, that almost has to happen
02:06:12 <Lemon> before buying any more dmms (best than what I have) I want mine calibrated/adjusted
02:06:27 <Lemon> the fluke mamalala is giving to me is a 6.5 digits !
02:06:41 <rust_collector> trust me, we all know
02:07:03 <Lemon> haha yes im overexcited
02:09:59 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
02:10:08 <Lord_of_nothing> How does everyone here feel?
02:10:15 <Lemon> hello
02:10:19 <rust_collector> not great, why?
02:10:21 <Lemon> I feel, which is great
02:10:28 <Lord_of_nothing> Can i ask just a silly question?
02:10:46 <Lemon> that'll be 19.99 euros without taxes
02:11:10 <Ampera> I don't feel, and haven't for a while
02:11:11 <rust_collector> or 15.333333 if you do pay taxes
02:11:14 <Ampera> it's kinda a problem
02:12:49 <Lord_of_nothing> https://bilder.tragant.de/produkte/orig/5c924213a52be5.40087433.jpg
02:13:14 <Lemon> yes
02:13:14 <Lord_of_nothing> can i hug any led on the led pins?
02:13:57 <Lemon> well if you determine the power requirement to put the good resistance, the same way it is for the front pannel
02:14:02 <Lemon> I'd guess yes
02:14:33 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.delock.de/produkt/89370/pdf.html?sprache=en
02:15:26 <Lemon> I dont think you'll find that data in this specsheet
02:15:28 <Lord_of_nothing> I just need direct access from the pci-e slot to an ssd
02:15:47 <Lord_of_nothing> nope not for the led and i realy dont want to brick a expencie ssd
02:16:18 <rust_collector> just ignore the led thing
02:16:45 <Lemon> ha
02:17:11 <Lemon> well yes then its this kind of card, take any x4 pcie extension to m2 nvme
02:17:13 <rust_collector> yes, it seems odd these days, to not put leds in a computer,
02:17:14 <rust_collector> but
02:17:16 <Lemon> theres some with two slots
02:17:26 <Lemon> some with 4
02:17:39 <Lemon> I have an icy box one I think
02:17:53 <rust_collector> how much is a card like that?
02:20:09 <Lemon> 15-20 euros maybe ? for the 1 slot
02:20:37 <Lemon> the 4 slots is like 60 euros but you must be sure that your mobo accept pcie derivation or whatever is it called, to use a x16 slot like x4 x4 x4 x4
02:20:59 <Lord_of_nothing> there are multi cards but the use some chipset
02:21:03 <Lemon> my mobo wasnt supporting nvme so I used that
02:21:16 <Lord_of_nothing> i am afraid the esxi dont like that chipset
02:21:24 <Lemon> I can even boot on it with a bootloader
02:21:32 <Lord_of_nothing> and even i want the max possible write speed
02:21:39 <Lord_of_nothing> i use an hp server
02:21:46 <Lemon> ho you'll get it as long as you take a x4 one
02:21:51 <Lord_of_nothing> and boot from a raid that work
02:21:54 <Lemon> with the good pcie revision
02:21:59 <rust_collector> great! none of this dell crap, lol
02:22:25 <Lemon> booting from raids on extension card can be tricky, but most of the time theres a trifck
02:22:35 <Lord_of_nothing> well dell... the have good laptop for military use
02:22:46 <Lord_of_nothing> i use just a used server
02:22:50 <Lemon> and good dell workstation laptops
02:23:08 <rust_collector> yeah, lots of companies have made some very good completely different devices , but
02:23:36 <Lemon> I always found alienware thingies ugly
02:27:15 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) EOF from client
02:28:09 <Lord_of_nothing> me to
02:28:43 <rust_collector> Ugly yes... I did like the old one, which had temp controlled louvers on the top
02:30:44 <Lord_of_nothing> when you say uggly
02:31:03 <Lord_of_nothing> does anyone here love fat brtish chicks to?
02:31:35 <rust_collector> no, they just spontaneously get pregnant
02:31:54 Join: Lemon ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
02:32:00 <Lemon> fucking internet
02:32:06 <Lemon> ho rusty you wanted a vom https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1753189698.htm/
02:32:44 <Lord_of_nothing> @rust_collector by magic right?
02:32:59 <rust_collector> I guess?
02:33:12 <rust_collector> Lemon, but that one does not look too bad
02:33:37 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1744894891.htm/ I wanted the right one but the dude doesnt answer
02:34:02 <rust_collector> I think people would react to a screen protector on that one too, so it is fine
02:35:15 <Lemon> id like to find an old metrix but digital, thats well protected
02:35:23 <Lemon> but for like, 10-20 euros max with shipping
02:36:03 <rust_collector> does the icy-box card work with non nvme?
02:36:08 <rust_collector> just old m2
02:36:12 <Lemon> ho probably yes
02:36:28 <Lemon> im not 100% sure, but I dont see why it wouldnt
02:36:46 <rust_collector> the akasa one does not
02:37:53 <rust_collector> the akasa one is also more expensive, looks cheaper, and has no cooling thing at all
02:38:13 <rust_collector> but otoh, the icy-box I am looking at has a damn led
02:38:21 <Lemon> yeah blue one
02:38:24 <Lemon> I wanted to remove it
02:38:32 <Lemon> theres just a green light in my case, so I can see shit
02:39:59 <Lemon> ho also I received the 5 euros resistor decade thingie
02:40:06 <Lemon> it works with jumper, not really convenient
02:40:15 <Lemon> but heh its tiny, and decent I guess
02:40:22 <Lemon> you coudl be interested by that
02:40:32 <rust_collector> hmm?
02:40:41 <Lemon> up to 10Mohm, 1%, 1/2watts
02:41:02 <Lemon> theres tons of them on ebay
02:41:53 <rust_collector> I guess jumpers are... if nothing else sort of reliable?
02:42:26 <Lemon> yeah
02:42:35 <Lemon> its just somewhat hard if you have big hand but manageable
02:47:57 <rust_collector> I have tiny hands, compared to someone with really huge hands
02:48:29 <Ampera> rust_collector, I am really dumb compared to someone who is smarter than me
02:48:37 <Ampera> unfortunately such a person does not exist, so i am incredibly smart
02:48:40 <rust_collector> I know
02:52:48 <rust_collector> what is that pic sharing place you people use? I just keep using imgur, because I remember the name
02:52:57 <Ampera> I use amperaa.net
02:53:37 <rust_collector> I guess you would. But you probably do not want my crap on there
02:53:45 <Lemon> imgur is fine
02:54:05 <Ampera> depends, is it porn?
02:54:13 <rust_collector> no, sorry
02:54:16 <Ampera> buh, then fuck off
02:54:20 <Ampera> quit wasting my time
02:54:26 <rust_collector> well, it depends on what you like, I guess
02:55:05 <Ampera> Hard core snuff.
02:55:31 <rust_collector> Ok, I might have some diy stuff for you
02:57:15 <rust_collector> Lemon, https://imgur.com/a/Hfeurq8
02:57:25 <rust_collector> how do you measure hand size?
02:58:01 <Lemon> hah ! well I use my lemon's hands
02:58:51 <rust_collector> how many lemons hands goes in a normal hand?
02:59:23 <Lemon> square root of a lemon, divided by itself x his soul
02:59:44 <rust_collector> you can not multiply by 0, even I know that
02:59:55 <Ampera> anything / anything = 1
03:00:11 <Ampera> so the answer is his soul
03:00:24 <rust_collector> he has no hands?
03:00:59 <rust_collector> I guess that makes jumpers tricky
03:01:12 <Lemon> indeed
03:02:33 <Lemon> I still dont know how I'll put the counter and fluke on the desk
03:02:35 <Lemon> its so crowded
03:02:44 <Lemon> I might be able to put something under the scope
03:02:53 <Lemon> hmmm
03:03:02 <rust_collector> I told you you need a bigger sturdier bench
03:03:12 <Lemon> ho sturdier no, its sturdy af
03:03:19 <rust_collector> just wait
03:03:21 <Ampera> I wish someone would big and sturdy me on a bench
03:03:22 <Lemon> and its big, but well
03:03:26 <Lemon> I got a lotta stuf
03:03:39 <rust_collector> yes.... and.... just wait
03:04:56 <rust_collector> haha, the neighbors trash can is out on an adventure again
03:05:06 <Lemon> yehhhh
03:07:31 <coppice_> a sentient trash can? I've met some of those
03:07:58 <Ampera> coppice_, I know, you've met me.
03:09:58 <coppice_> I've never met you, and you're just a bot anyway
03:10:27 <Ampera> coppice_, that sounds like something a bot would say
03:10:49 <coppice_> bots are getting smarter every day
03:10:59 <coppice_> humans are getting dumber every day
03:11:09 <Ampera> one of those statements is true.
03:11:10 <coppice_> the crossover will soon approach
03:11:36 <Ampera> hopefully when it does we get astro boy
03:11:44 <Ampera> that would be cool
03:17:43 <Lemon> hey rust_collector
03:17:49 <Ampera> hey rust_collector
03:17:51 <Lemon> I found some silicone test leads for smol price
03:18:00 <Ampera> I found some rust for smol price
03:18:25 <coppice_> you were supposed to say you got them for a sili price
03:18:45 <Lemon> 80 cents a piece, 50cm
03:19:04 <Lemon> the guy got a ton, but ima take 10 pairs, thats 20 euros with shipping
03:19:12 <Lemon> its alright for silicone stackable leads honestly
03:19:39 <Ampera> coppice_, I think that's a con.
03:20:21 <coppice_> no. it a cone. a waffle cone
03:22:37 <Ampera> sounds good
03:22:40 <Ampera> what's inside the cone?
03:28:29 <coppice_> something sili, of course
03:29:16 <Lord_of_nothing> are asian ladys so damn easy to pic up?
03:29:31 <Ampera> if they're light, I presume so
03:29:36 <rust_collector> most are
03:29:46 <Ampera> some aren't though
03:30:08 <rust_collector> many of them have long hair you can grab
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03:30:26 * Ampera throws kraut at the kraut
03:30:31 <rust_collector> talking about that
03:30:55 <coppice_> Lord_of_nothing: my one is only 63 kilos
03:31:25 * Ysjoelfir digs out of a pile of kraut
03:31:27 <Ysjoelfir> hi guys
03:31:37 <Lemon> hi boi
03:31:56 <rust_collector> 63kg, you can swing that like a cat
03:32:29 <Lemon> my ex was 1m50, 38kg :>
03:32:31 <Lord_of_nothing> cats are cute and
03:32:44 <Lord_of_nothing> sweet
03:32:50 <rust_collector> heh, no
03:33:00 <Lemon> strangly enough not skinny at all, quite fit in fact
03:33:02 <rust_collector> they might be cute, but...
03:33:29 <coppice_> Lemon: are you sure she was over 16/18/whatever the key age is in your locale?
03:33:35 <Lord_of_nothing> but wat?
03:33:44 <rust_collector> but not sweet
03:33:45 <Lemon> yes shes even a tad older than me
03:33:52 <Lord_of_nothing> the age depend what you want to do
03:33:52 <Lemon> 27, right now
03:33:55 <rust_collector> were you over 12?
03:34:06 <rust_collector> back then
03:34:13 <Ampera> lol
03:34:16 <Lemon> I was yes :> from 19 to 23 with her
03:34:26 <Lord_of_nothing> its sick make pics are permit over 18 to sleep she need only to be 16...
03:34:36 <Lord_of_nothing> The same for drinking
03:34:42 <Lord_of_nothing> and tobacco product
03:34:45 <Ampera> how is that the same for drinking?
03:35:14 <Lord_of_nothing> 16 for bett and 18 for the booze
03:35:29 <Ampera> depends on where you live
03:35:32 <rust_collector> how about other illegal substance?
03:35:39 <Ampera> here it's 21 for booze, and the age of consent varies by state
03:35:57 <Ampera> in alabama it's illegal out of wedlock unless it's incest.
03:36:17 <Lord_of_nothing> min age for a gun permit?
03:36:38 <K> potato gun
03:36:46 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, we don't have gun permits
03:36:48 * K derails the conversation
03:37:13 <rust_collector> iIrc, up here you can have a gun at 16, if your parents agree, and you have to be a member of a gun club, I think
03:37:15 <Ampera> the minimum age to buy a gun is 18, there is no minimum age to operate a gun, and minors are often given guns by relatives with no real consequence
03:37:40 <Ampera> in NY, bb gun is 16
03:37:46 <Ampera> any other gun is 18 (same as the rest of the US)
03:38:08 <Lemon> in france you can get a hunt permit at 16, with a relative, but you need to be 18 to play with airsoft guns :>
03:40:44 <Lord_of_nothing> whts the price for a animal?
03:41:08 <Lord_of_nothing> what heard here in austria you pay a 5 diget price in € for a boar
03:41:10 <Lemon> thats one vague question
03:41:18 <Lord_of_nothing> sure if you not know the landlord
03:41:18 <rust_collector> it depends
03:42:13 <rust_collector> you should probably not go shooting on other peoples land
03:42:48 <Lord_of_nothing> sure if you are rich you have your own wood
03:43:28 <rust_collector> I mean, you should know the land owner, before you go
03:43:35 <coppice_> I have my own wood
03:44:06 <Lord_of_nothing> well it would be a very bad idea to shoot in the wood without all permits
03:44:08 <Ampera> I wish I didn't have my own wood.
03:44:19 <Ampera> it's quite annoying and unpleasant
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04:45:57 <Lord_of_nothing> does anyone watch startrec discovery?
04:46:40 <DHess_US> Not if I can avert my eyes in time.
04:51:12 <Ampera> ^
04:51:33 <Ampera> not that you'd have to, it's no longer F2A
05:30:27 <coppice_> I doubt that even the families of the people who make startrek discovery watch it
05:32:18 <Ampera> coppice_, families? Nobody who made that was not immediately disowned.
05:41:34 <coppice_> "Don't tell my mum I'm in Star Trek Discovery. She thinks I play piano in a brothel"
05:45:24 <Ampera> they have pianos in brothels now?
05:45:28 <Ampera> hot damn
05:48:04 <coppice_> yeah, but they only play songs with a good hook, er......
05:48:35 <Ampera> That's grand.
05:49:45 <coppice_> isn't the "she thinks I play piano in a brothel" thing a meme where you live?
05:51:56 <Ampera> we don't have brothels where I live
05:51:59 <Ampera> not legal ones anyways
05:52:03 <Ampera> we barely have pianos
05:52:34 <coppice_> isn't your address in Stein Way?
05:53:47 <Ampera> No, that's in Roland, a few towns over.
06:04:15 Join: ASBO_Rob ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
06:04:16 <DHess_US> Don't tell my mom that I am an NFA dealer. She still thinks I run a chain of brothels in Nevada.
06:04:56 <ASBO_Rob> Does anyone know if Dave is still selling T-Shirts?
06:05:16 <Ampera> last I knew he was, but last I knew was a very long time ago
06:06:09 <Ampera> Forums or emailing him might be more helpful, unless someone here knows, this is a discussion channel.
06:06:15 <Ampera> now, back to brothels.
06:06:24 <ASBO_Rob> I can't find them, There not in the shop link on his website.
06:07:08 <ASBO_Rob> Oh okay, There wasn't a description for the channel, Take it easy everyone.
06:07:44 Quit: ASBO_Rob ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
06:08:36 <DHess_US> Star Trek Picard isn't looking too healthy either.
06:09:57 <Ampera> I heard that they were going to make some sort of big political statment against trump or something
06:10:00 <Ampera> then I tuned out of caring
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06:10:21 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o ThunderSqueak
06:10:29 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing
06:10:35 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok
06:11:00 <ThunderSqueak> in a state of emotional surealism but ok
06:11:03 <ThunderSqueak> and yourself?
06:11:32 <Ampera> I'm in a state of emotional surealism every day
06:11:43 <Ampera> but as for right now I'm alright
06:11:44 <Ampera> doing QA
06:11:47 <Ampera> things are breaking
06:11:54 <Ampera> somtimes it's the things I want to break
06:12:07 <ThunderSqueak> ah
06:14:59 <Ampera> my new phone comes tomorrow
06:15:07 <Ampera> so tomorrow will be my last day with my old one
06:16:14 <ThunderSqueak> going to do anything fun with the old one?
06:16:54 <ThunderSqueak> If they are servicable, I usually clean them up and sometimes replace the battery and give them to a friend who needs an upgrade but cant afford it
06:16:56 <Ampera> I was going to keep it as a backup, but then decided against it
06:17:02 <Ampera> lol upgrade
06:17:13 <Ampera> my friend would have to have a pretty shit phone
06:17:19 <ThunderSqueak> well, for my wife, my iphone 7 was an upgrade
06:17:35 <ThunderSqueak> she had a 5 that was shattered
06:17:36 <Ampera> well an iPhone 7 is a downgrade over a Western Electric 500
06:17:54 <ThunderSqueak> no idea what that even is :P
06:18:02 <ThunderSqueak> I just have an iphone 11
06:18:15 <Ampera> You should be old enough to have seen at least one rotary desk phone in your life
06:18:15 <ThunderSqueak> takes decent pictures and such
06:18:21 <Ampera> if you did, chances are it was a WE500
06:18:31 <ThunderSqueak> yes, but I am not familiar with the models and such
06:18:46 <ThunderSqueak> most of the phones we had growing up were GE I think
06:19:35 <Ampera> I suppose you must have grown up post-bell, post Western Electric
06:20:06 <Ampera> Anyways my current phone is a BLU R1 HD, which is a 70 dollar chinese phone
06:20:10 <ThunderSqueak> or jsut did not care?
06:20:26 <ThunderSqueak> I lived 60 miles from anyone growing up... on a ranch out in the middle of North Dakota
06:20:45 <Ampera> Which would have made it really weird for you to have had a GE phone unless this was the 90's
06:21:01 <ThunderSqueak> as I said, I didnt care
06:21:11 <ThunderSqueak> and I was born in the 70's
06:21:12 <ThunderSqueak> XD
06:21:29 <ThunderSqueak> phones were not my thing
06:21:41 <Ampera> I enjoy old tech of any sort, as well as understanding history
06:21:50 <ThunderSqueak> you needed people to call... everyone I knew was either on that ranch or on the nearby reservation
06:21:56 <Ampera> so for me Bell, Western Electric, and the phone system are a critical part of technological history
06:22:03 <ThunderSqueak> at least back in those days
06:22:26 <ThunderSqueak> back then I was not exposed to electronics as a hobby at all
06:22:41 <ThunderSqueak> let alone a profession
06:23:43 <ThunderSqueak> my life was "clean barn, feed cows, feed pigs, milk cow, play with baby kittens, eat dinner, clean barns again, put straw down, ride horse sometimes, go to sleep and repeat it all again tomorrow"
06:23:48 <Ampera> Anyways, my new phone is a 1+1 I bought in decent condition for a hundred bucks
06:24:53 <ThunderSqueak> when I was lucky I saw one of the kids from the closest village, and we would play until I was told I could no longer play with them... (that is when I discovered I had racist parents.... to this day I still don't get it)
06:25:34 <ThunderSqueak> it upsets them that I am getting married to an alaskan native O.o
06:25:39 <ThunderSqueak> *sigh*
06:25:56 <ThunderSqueak> so they wont be at the wedding
06:26:47 <Ampera> lol
06:26:50 <ThunderSqueak> hence emotionally sureal
06:27:02 <Ampera> might seem insensitive, but to me the idea of someone being racist is funny
06:27:08 <Ampera> it makes no sense to me
06:27:12 <ThunderSqueak> me either
06:28:42 <ThunderSqueak> but it exists... and there are a lot of things I see as a result that bother me
06:29:27 <Ampera> What is important is for people who care about you to be with you when you get married.
06:29:29 <ThunderSqueak> the cultural insensitivity I see at times makes me cry... litterally
06:29:45 <Ampera> Culture and race are two different things.
06:29:48 <ThunderSqueak> they are
06:29:58 <ThunderSqueak> but in some places they are tied very closely
06:30:02 <DHess_US> Trump isn't paranoid when they really are all out to get him.
06:30:12 <Ampera> lol
06:30:35 <Ampera> What pisses me off about Trump is I think exactly that. It's not about what he does, it's about the fact that orange man bad
06:30:59 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
06:31:01 <Ampera> I don't like him, but I have reasons and opinions, and don't want to join the mob ready to run Nuremburg 2.0
06:31:19 <ThunderSqueak> I despise him
06:31:30 <ThunderSqueak> but I have very personal reasons to do so
06:31:49 <Ampera> One can despite whoever they want, for me it's a waste of time, because nothing I can do will make him do anything different
06:32:01 <Ampera> and adding to the bonfire doesn't help it either
06:32:09 <Ampera> regardless
06:32:10 <DHess_US> Maybe he will fall down the stairs and the court will grant Hillary immunity because of the good faith exception.
06:33:59 <rust_collector> cleaning and waxing stairs should not be a crime
06:34:44 <Ampera> patting people on the back isn't a crime either
06:34:49 <Ampera> or shouldn't be
06:35:29 <rust_collector> I agree
06:36:57 <rust_collector> ok, good night all kinds of people
06:37:13 <Ampera> that's discriminatory towards the otherwise people
06:37:27 <Ampera> good night entity/entities
06:37:28 <rust_collector> deal with it
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06:54:16 <Ampera> eevblog time
06:54:16 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 06:54 Sydney time.
06:56:25 <coppice_> orange man bad. other side worse
06:57:28 <Ampera> you've explained all of US politics in one sentence, coppice_
06:58:21 <coppice_> and you've examplified US education. I wrote 2 sentances
06:58:55 <Ampera> in my defense, my text is small and I thought that was a comma
06:59:11 <Ampera> and in further defence there's no second period, and there is no capitalization
06:59:24 <Ampera> so it could be anywhere from 0-2 sentences depending on your requirements
06:59:48 <coppice_> ah, much better critique
07:01:17 <Ampera> that's because I never went to a public school
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09:20:42 <MrMobodies> Hello
09:20:52 <Halcyon> Finally got my router up and running again
09:21:10 <Ysjoelfir> That was a rather long "be right back" :D
09:21:14 <MrMobodies> Is that PfSense with the IPV6 that you were working on?
09:21:17 <Halcyon> Yeh I ended up getting the shits
09:21:38 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: Yes, but it wasn't that. We had a storm the other day which fried my modem and the on-board NICs on my router
09:21:45 <MrMobodies> oh dear
09:21:48 <Halcyon> So I've spent the last two nights replacing equipment
09:22:09 <MrMobodies> That frightens me sometimes and I wonder, have i got spares
09:22:28 <coppice_> so what? we have a wok that fried my dinner.
09:22:28 <MrMobodies> I once had a lightening strike in 2001
09:22:37 <MrMobodies> and it blew diode on a Rocket 56k modem
09:22:43 <Halcyon> This is the second time for me in 12 months
09:23:08 <MrMobodies> it would be terrible for someone who has got vintage stuff
09:23:34 <MrMobodies> I suppose they'd be looking at fetting an UPS
09:23:54 <MrMobodies> I received a package
09:24:07 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/QkZw9Rv
09:24:07 <Halcyon> Well all the power on my important stuff is behind a UPS
09:24:14 <Halcyon> This surge travelled up the VDSL line
09:24:24 <MrMobodies> I see it went through the line
09:24:31 <Halcyon> Same as last time
09:24:32 <coppice_> MrMobodies: I was sitting beside a modem one day when there was a lightning flash outside, and a click beside me. The lightning took out the driver transistor for the loop relay and left the rest of the modem intact :)
09:24:35 <Halcyon> Power here isn't really of concern
09:24:49 <Halcyon> What's in your package MrMobodies ?
09:25:05 <MrMobodies> excellent packaging
09:25:12 <MrMobodies> really good, in a plastic bag
09:25:19 <MrMobodies> sarcasm
09:25:25 <Halcyon> Hahah
09:25:32 <Halcyon> Perfectly ESD safe ;-)
09:25:32 <MrMobodies> It is suppose to be a sound card with Aztech 2320
09:25:47 <MrMobodies> I am building another computer to do audio mixing
09:25:51 <Halcyon> Oh nice
09:25:55 <coppice_> no ESD was damaged by this package
09:26:02 <Halcyon> Hahah
09:26:48 <MrMobodies> I am not testing it, I'll send it back at the sellers expense
09:27:05 <MrMobodies> I included in the returns a video
09:27:16 <MrMobodies> this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imdtXcnywb8
09:28:31 <MrMobodies> in the UK they never sold SRS3D amps here, just in car radios and sound cards.
09:29:06 <MrMobodies> besides it is cheaper for me
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09:33:32 <Halcyon> I need another coffee
09:36:54 <MrMobodies> I got some shielded cable
09:37:00 <MrMobodies> CW1600
09:37:10 <MrMobodies> to move my BT sockets in the cupboard
09:37:48 <coppice_> did they sell SRS TVs in the UK?
09:37:53 <MrMobodies> I am going to get them around to inspect and certify it in a such way they do no need access to the main point which I want the jellie son
09:37:58 <MrMobodies> they use to I think the early 1990s
09:38:05 <MrMobodies> and car radios
09:38:31 <MrMobodies> I think they had a software one in Windows Media Player swhich sound similar but a bit distorted
09:38:42 <MrMobodies> in the form of a plugin in
09:38:50 <coppice_> I think most of the NICAM TVs in Asia had SRS
09:39:18 <MrMobodies> I once had a TV tuner with NICAM on I think it was WINTV Theater
09:39:27 <MrMobodies> and an old Panasonic video recorder
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09:43:56 <MrMobodies> Well it has been over a couple of weeks now and I have had no problems with PfSense when I got the additional 2x hex port nics in there.
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09:45:22 <MrMobodies> The problem I had seem related to using one of them with PLX bridge in the PCI-e 16x slot that is also shared to PCI slot 4
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09:53:33 <MrMobodies> I am going to start a fire in a minute
09:53:44 <MrMobodies> now that I have collected some old boxes in the garden
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09:54:52 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: I'm thinking about upgrading to a 10Gbit setup
09:55:05 <MrMobodies> I know they are selling Dell gigabit nics
09:55:11 <MrMobodies> for £60 and cheaper on Ebay
09:55:44 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0W1GCR-Dell-Broadcom-57810S-Dual-Port-10GbE-PCI-e-Network-Adapter-W1GCR/172380164256?
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09:56:04 <MrMobodies> that one would work out £20 cheaper with the import tax
09:56:09 <Halcyon> I generally stick with Intel NICs
09:56:46 <Halcyon> I also want SFP+ so I can use DAC cables
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10:00:00 <MrMobodies> Something like this?
10:00:03 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBM-Intel-X520-DA2-Dual-Port-10GB-SFP-Ethernet-Network-Adapter-Card-49Y7962/313004400389?
10:00:18 <Halcyon> Yup
10:02:19 <Ampera> Hi halcyon
10:02:30 <Ampera> I'm on cellular data
10:03:03 <Ampera> First time I've ever used it in my life
10:03:14 <Halcyon> I've spoken to you on your mobile before
10:03:52 <Ampera> Yes, using 802.11
10:03:54 <Halcyon> Did you get that phone you ordered?
10:04:05 <Ampera> That's in tomorrow
10:04:09 <Halcyon> Hooray!
10:04:18 <Halcyon> Now you can download Grindr on your phone :P
10:04:35 <Ampera> Why wouldn't I have been able to use it before
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10:04:57 <Halcyon> Well it's designed to find people in your area as you move around
10:05:20 <Halcyon> A surprising number of trans people on it
10:06:07 <Ampera> Presumably trans men looking for other men
10:06:16 <Halcyon> *shrug*
10:06:23 <Halcyon> It's pretty much everyone looking for everyone for anything
10:06:25 <Halcyon> (Even just chat)
10:07:10 <MrMobodies> I don't get good signals arounnd here
10:07:12 <MrMobodies> barelt 3g
10:07:42 <Halcyon> Oooh speaking of mobile service. My nearest tower is getting 5G very soon! \o/
10:07:50 <Ampera> The radio in this phone is shit
10:07:56 <MrMobodies> I know I could get a appliance that emits a celluar signal bridged over the broadband. I think they call it different names, Small cell, signakbox etc
10:07:57 <Ampera> So hopefully my new one is better
10:08:05 <Halcyon> Maybe I can finally fuck off the shitty NBN
10:09:42 <Ampera> Then you can DDoS me
10:09:46 <Ampera> :P
10:09:48 <Halcyon> Why would I do that?
10:09:52 <Ampera> Well, DoS
10:09:58 <Ampera> Because I said you could
10:10:02 <Ampera> Ages ago
10:10:05 <Halcyon> Heh
10:10:15 <Halcyon> The problem is download quotas
10:10:29 <Halcyon> The largest I can find is 500 GB but shared among multiple devices which is a bit shit
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10:10:56 <Halcyon> It seems like whoever designs mobile plans and pricing are still living in the dark ages
10:11:06 <Halcyon> And excess data is $10 per GB which is fucking lunacy
10:11:13 <Ampera> I might grab my mom's phone plan
10:11:34 <Ampera> 50/mo for unlimited to 25GB then throttled
10:11:51 <Ampera> My current plan is flat rate 10$/GB
10:12:22 <Halcyon> My mobile is $39/mth for 30GB then unlimited at 1.5 Mbps after that
10:12:26 <DHess_US> The problem with throttled plans is that when it throttles, they disable tethering.
10:12:30 <Halcyon> But it's a grandfathered plan which you can't order anymore
10:12:41 <Ampera> What's tethering
10:12:52 <DHess_US> wifi or blutooth to your real computer.
10:12:59 <Halcyon> DHess_US: That's annoying, we have no such thing here. Your data is your data, you can use it however you want.
10:13:09 <Ampera> Ah
10:13:22 <Ampera> I don't care, especially with 25GB
10:13:36 <DHess_US> Here you have to jailbreak the phone to fix it but that breaks the license agreement which is a felony.
10:13:46 <Halcyon> Wha!?
10:14:07 <Halcyon> Do breaching a company's EULA is a crime there?
10:14:10 <DHess_US> The CFAA makes breaking the user license agreement a felony.
10:14:10 <Halcyon> *So
10:14:17 <Halcyon> What the fuck!?
10:14:22 <Halcyon> That's bullshit
10:14:44 <DHess_US> CFAA = Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
10:14:58 <Halcyon> Absolutely backwards
10:15:10 <Halcyon> You should be able to do whatever the hell you want with YOUR device
10:15:21 <Ampera> Anyways, I'm out and about to watch the new Sonic movie
10:15:28 <Halcyon> I mean, if you fuck it, don't expect warranty to cover you, but everything else...
10:16:09 * Ampera fucks Halcyon
10:16:32 <Halcyon> Here EULA's aren't worth the paper they are written on. They aren't enforcable unless the company takes you to court (civilly) and a court deems the contract (or parts of it) valid.
10:16:51 <Halcyon> There is no criminal offences for breaching a EULA or the Copyright Act
10:16:55 <Halcyon> *are
10:18:02 <Halcyon> Futhermore, merely downloading copyrighted works is not deemed a breach of the act. A company cannot sue you for downloading, only if you produce infringing copies or upload the content.
10:18:10 <Ampera> I've eaten a meatball grinder
10:18:51 <Halcyon> Hahah
10:19:14 <Ampera> It was good
10:19:31 <Halcyon> You love a bit of meat
10:19:39 <Halcyon> Particularly in you
10:19:52 <Ampera> I wish someone would put their meat into me
10:20:59 <Ampera> Anyways, movie time
10:21:03 <Ampera> Ciao
10:22:30 <MrMobodies> talking of sims I order some that are 24gb for a year when they are about £30 on Ebay
10:22:39 <MrMobodies> I use them in the modems
10:23:37 <MrMobodies> I don't use very much maybe only for testingm backup or sending messages
10:24:20 <MrMobodies> I once had an "unlimited" 3g contract in some building company with at the time T-Mobile
10:24:44 <MrMobodies> they kept on phoning up years later trying to get them to change to a metered tariff saying they were paying too much
10:25:31 <Halcyon> Yeh they'll try and do that
10:25:33 <MrMobodies> It was used on for a camera in a building site and I remember calculating that would cost many times more so
10:26:22 <MrMobodies> When I last tried to order one before that, I had argument on the phone with them saying they never offered such a thing despite having the paperwork in front of me
10:26:34 <Halcyon> The cheapest plan I can get currently with my provider is $50/15GB (then unlimited shaped traffic after that)
10:26:46 <Halcyon> Versus $39/mth for 30GB for the same deal
10:26:48 <Halcyon> Go figure
10:27:44 <MrMobodies> So after 15gb is used up, it will continue to work but the performance can dip and go up depending on peak usage
10:27:55 <Halcyon> It's limited to 1.5 Mbps downstream
10:28:34 <MrMobodies> about 150 kilobytes or so
10:29:06 <Halcyon> Yeh a bit more
10:29:26 <Halcyon> 187.5
10:29:30 <Ampera> I'm back
10:29:32 <MrMobodies> I remembered 20 years ago on dialup
10:29:33 <MrMobodies> hi
10:29:34 <Ampera> Was a good movie
10:29:38 <Halcyon> That was quick Ampera
10:29:45 <Halcyon> Did the fire alarms go off or something?
10:30:03 <Ampera> I'm actually waiting outside the theater for the movie
10:30:22 <Ampera> It starts at +0:30
10:30:35 <MrMobodies> I guess the adverts come on?
10:30:37 <Halcyon> Oh right
10:30:52 <MrMobodies> at the beginning i mean
10:31:10 <Ampera> I said outside the theater
10:31:29 <MrMobodies> I see
10:32:00 * Ampera kerschneezes at MrMobodies
10:33:13 <MrMobodies> Kerch Sneezes
10:33:26 <MrMobodies> where I don't often read too good
10:33:50 <MrMobodies> I was living in a boarding house
10:34:02 <MrMobodies> There was an ISP called Madasfish
10:34:12 <MrMobodies> I think it was about £20
10:34:36 <MrMobodies> when BT came in they pressured my parents into signing up to a deal
10:34:56 <MrMobodies> £49.99 month for weekends and evenings free broadbad
10:35:08 <MrMobodies> and business which was £69.99
10:35:39 <MrMobodies> I was furiuos, I complained and they let us off the contract
10:35:52 <MrMobodies> it argued it was mis selling
10:36:00 <MrMobodies> that was in 2001
10:36:08 <MrMobodies> and the phones lines were terrible there anyway
10:36:51 <MrMobodies> BT were installing the line in my bedroom and they tried to pressure sell
10:37:26 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:37:34 <Halcyon> Aw :)
10:37:41 <Ampera> My weekend is coming up soon, just one more day of work
10:37:49 <Halcyon> My weekend started today
10:37:50 <Halcyon> YAY
10:38:43 <MrMobodies> Nice looking forward to the weekends
10:39:24 <Ampera> I need to find a better IRC client for Android
10:39:39 * Halcyon licks Ampera
10:40:26 <MrMobodies> I have one called Yaaic
10:40:53 <DHess_US> The plan I use is $25 for one month of service and 2 or 3GB. I just gave up using the data part; it is useless.
10:41:10 <MrMobodies> that's a lot
10:41:25 <MrMobodies> I remembered then 4gb use to sell for £15 for prepaid sims
10:41:37 <MrMobodies> in about 2014
10:41:55 <DHess_US> If I had an unlocked phone, I could felony hack it to fix it.
10:42:11 <DHess_US> But I lost interest. I just don't carry it.
10:42:23 <Halcyon> What if you just buy an unlocked phone and ship it over?
10:42:26 <Halcyon> Is that illegal?
10:42:40 <MrMobodies> I think they call that "Box breaking"
10:42:44 <DHess_US> No, I could get an unlocked phone legally. That isn't a problem. It just isn't worth it.
10:43:03 <DHess_US> I lost interest and just do not bother carrying my phone with me anymore.
10:43:17 <MrMobodies> I was givrn a Samsung J5
10:43:24 <MrMobodies> horrible at first but I made some adjustments
10:43:31 <DHess_US> If someone needs me to be a good citizen and contact emergency services, fuck them.
10:44:07 <DHess_US> It has already come up a couple times with a cop badgering me about where my phone is.
10:44:23 <MrMobodies> higher dpi and resoution, obviously they put in a higher resolution screen, no spell checkers or suggestions, rooted for Samba Filesharing to copy my pictures easily
10:44:23 <Halcyon> Why would they care?
10:44:31 <DHess_US> I guess they aren't used to hearing "No" when they demand someone's phone.
10:44:56 <DHess_US> Because they aren't used to hearing "no" when they make any demand.
10:45:07 <Halcyon> Why would they demand your phone?
10:45:18 <MrMobodies> I do carry my phone around with me but not to make or receive phone calls
10:45:19 <DHess_US> To search it? To stop you from recording them?
10:45:26 <Halcyon> Can they do that ?
10:45:33 <DHess_US> Yes.
10:45:41 <Halcyon> And Ampera reckons our laws are shit
10:45:41 <DHess_US> And if they get caught, it is a slap on the wrist.
10:46:08 <MrMobodies> When I feel under threat, I start audio recording.
10:46:21 <DHess_US> When I feel under threat, I open the distance.
10:46:32 <Halcyon> There is no law here which forces you to hand over or give up your phone PIN/Password (unless it's under counter terrorism powers)
10:46:36 <MrMobodies> it's good when someone accuses of you something
10:46:50 <Halcyon> You can also record anyone in a public place (including police) without their consent and they can't stop you
10:47:03 <DHess_US> I haven't found a good recording problem which leaves the phone locked and records to remote storage.
10:47:07 <DHess_US> program
10:47:18 <MrMobodies> it wouldn't be your words against theirs, it'll be their words against theirs.
10:47:48 <MrMobodies> I can use that Sambatool
10:48:12 <MrMobodies> to upload when it is on the wifi maybe I could test it with the VPN
10:48:12 <DHess_US> I will figure something out eventually.
10:49:34 <MrMobodies> On the Samsung J5, i did update the recorder so it can continue recording when receving and making calls
10:49:51 <MrMobodies> and there is someting I installed to stop it going into sleep
10:50:06 <Halcyon> My view is, whilst I don't want my face recorded and uploaded somewhere by a crook, they are free to record our interaction. Usually it makes for great evidence against them later in court. If you're honest and act within the law, there is no problem
10:50:07 <DHess_US> I would want an application which silently records while the phone is locked and continuously uploads.
10:51:22 <DHess_US> It is tricky in the US. Some states require 2 or all party consent to be recorded. In theory this does not apply in public but in practice it is whatever the cop decides.
10:51:24 <MrMobodies> Found it, Wakelock, that stops it going to into sleep and shutting the wifi and stuff down
10:52:06 <MrMobodies> I know in the UK someone told me I can convert record people but different rules apply
10:52:11 <Halcyon> Police here have been criticised for trying to force people to stop or delete recordings in public. Over the last 10 years a lot of training has been provided and most Police know they have no power to do that.
10:52:13 <DHess_US> So there are plenty of court cases of someone recording completely legally where they spent a couple years being persecuted in the courts.
10:52:22 <Halcyon> Basically a public place is fair game here in AU
10:52:45 <Halcyon> DHess_US: Presumably for the original offences, not for recording?
10:52:47 <DHess_US> There is also the trick of the cop just seizing the phone as evidence. Then if you are lucky enough to get it back, it is destroyed or wiped.
10:52:57 <MrMobodies> I was told, you only get in trouble if you give it to a third party and they broadcast it
10:53:04 <DHess_US> Halcyon, no, as third parties who were uninvolved except for recording.
10:53:17 <MrMobodies> you can show it to the police or a lawyer without their permission
10:53:21 <Halcyon> Well that can't happen here either unless the phone is directly connected to the offence and it has to be an indictable offence or higher
10:53:44 <DHess_US> We have the police state stuff down to a science.
10:53:54 <Halcyon> You can't just seize someone's phone for example a traffic offence
10:54:01 <DHess_US> It is just not widely advertised or acknowledged.
10:54:21 <Halcyon> We are scrutinised so much here, which is a good thing. Keeps Police honest.
10:54:22 <DHess_US> You can here if it is evidence. And whatever they want to seize will be considered evidence.
10:55:09 <DHess_US> Or we have had a few people shot and sometimes killed because they didn't drop their cell phone which looked like a gun.
10:55:35 <Halcyon> Yes but if something looks like a gun, then it's treated as a gun
10:55:41 <Halcyon> Even if it turns out not to be after the fact
10:57:26 <MrMobodies> I once took a toy gun with me to an airport when I as 8, they took away and I never got it back.
10:57:26 <Halcyon> Anyway, I need to go mow the lawns and do some housework
10:57:30 <Halcyon> I'll be back later.
11:04:19 <DHess_US> In some of the cases, it was plain that they were not carrying a weapon and they were shot for contempt of cop.
11:07:31 <MrMobodies> the one i had didn't shoot, it had lights on it and made some noises.
11:09:14 <MrMobodies> I showing someone an old lighter than was in a shape of a gun and they told me, "don't bring that in public or you'll be met with an armed response"
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12:14:53 <MrMobodies> I have been refunded
12:15:59 <MrMobodies> and the seller said "i refund you take the card"
12:16:43 <MrMobodies> I feel a bit bad really for the seller, I don't think they understodd but I have no expectations that it will work after being put in a plastic bag.
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12:37:41 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: It's a harsh way to learn
12:37:45 <Halcyon> Maybe they will do better next time.
13:06:13 <Ampera> Halcyon, there is no law in the US that requires you to hand over any property or to submit to any unwarranted searches.
13:06:24 <Ampera> Any cops that do otherwise are breaking constitutional law
13:06:42 <Ampera> Not that they don't, but if you want to argue books, that ain't true.
13:06:47 <Halcyon> Police would have powers to seize property in certain circumstances
13:06:54 <Ampera> With a court warrant.
13:07:09 <Ampera> Or in the direct assertion that the individual they are confiscating property from is in commission of a crime.
13:07:17 <Halcyon> Yep
13:07:23 <Halcyon> So you do have such laws
13:07:44 <Ampera> No, because searches cannot be unwarranted.
13:08:03 <Ampera> A cop cannot come up to me with no accusation of criminal mischief, or without a court warrant, and legally demand my property.
13:08:14 <Halcyon> But you just said it an individual is being accused of committing a crime and a think is believed to have been used in commission of that cime
13:08:15 <Halcyon> crime
13:08:26 <Ampera> The only exception to the best of my understanding is some jurisdictions will declare that you waive some of that right when you operate a car.
13:08:55 <Halcyon> What if you stab someone and Police stop you and accuse you of stabbing someone. Can they seize the weapon?
13:09:03 <Ampera> Yes, but this is someone has accused you of committing a crime, the consequences of that are under their responsibility, and any gross incompetence or undue abuse of that power is subject to
13:09:12 <Ampera> well most likely wiping their ass with the complaint
13:09:19 <Ampera> but technically legal trouble
13:09:23 <Halcyon> Yep, this is what we are talking about
13:09:27 <Ampera> also to make note, there is a bowl of asterisks here
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13:09:32 <Halcyon> Someone commits a crime, a thing connected to that crime is seized
13:10:07 <Halcyon> I cannot walk up to someone and just start going through their phone, even if I have reasonable cause to search that person
13:10:12 <Halcyon> Looking through someones phone is not a searh
13:10:14 <Halcyon> search
13:11:03 <Ampera> Here it's uh
13:11:08 <Halcyon> And there are only *very* limited circumstances where someone is obliged to provide passwords etc...
13:11:14 <DHess_US> There are lots of exception to the warrant requirement for searches and seizures. One of them is to secure evidence against destruction.
13:11:15 <Ampera> keep in mind, laws don't stop people from doing things
13:11:21 <Halcyon> No, that's true
13:11:33 <Ampera> and as DHess_US, there is enough exceptions to make it retarded
13:11:37 <Halcyon> I mean, I can *ask* to see someones phone and if they allow me, I can look through it
13:11:43 <Halcyon> But that's no different to you asking
13:11:50 <Ampera> All I can say is I believe authority should have only the power it absolutely needs.
13:12:02 <Halcyon> Yeh I agree
13:12:04 <Ampera> Well a cop can do that too, but I can also say no.
13:12:08 <DHess_US> There is also an obligation to obey "lawful orders"
13:12:10 <Ampera> At that point it gets complicated.
13:12:24 <DHess_US> If you don't, that is obstruction of justice to start with.
13:12:36 <Halcyon> Our law enforcement is very different. Whilst we have quite a bit of power, it's so heavily scritinised it's not funny.
13:12:39 <DHess_US> Now you might be vindicated in court, but that will be a painful ride.
13:12:50 <Halcyon> But with that scrutiny, keeps people honest
13:12:54 <Halcyon> I don't see it as a bad thing
13:13:02 <DHess_US> In most US states, it is not lawful to resist police who are using unlawful force.
13:13:21 <Halcyon> Well yeah that goes without saying
13:13:35 <DHess_US> So if the police show up to kill you, and you can prove it, it is still unlawful to resist allowing them to kill you.
13:13:35 <Halcyon> Force needs to be REASONABLE
13:14:04 <DHess_US> Right, but only the court can make that determination and that is a little late after the force has been used on you.
13:14:10 <Halcyon> Correct
13:14:18 <Halcyon> Well yeh, it's a bit of a catch 22
13:14:45 <Halcyon> I would say here, 99% of the time, the force used is found to be reasonable
13:15:10 <Halcyon> Mainly because the repercussions are severe
13:15:17 <DHess_US> Here is another catch 22. The remedy for unlawful search and seizure is exclusion of evidence. So if you are unlawfully searched and you or your property is seized, and you are innocent, then you have no remedy.
13:15:36 <DHess_US> Only the guilty have a remedy.
13:16:19 <Halcyon> Sure
13:16:30 <Halcyon> But what's the solution? Ban all searches because of a few bad ones?
13:16:38 <Halcyon> I don't accept that
13:16:58 <Halcyon> It's like banning everyone under the age of 20 from driving, because a few people can't help themselves and drive like fuckwits
13:17:00 <DHess_US> Just like if you are innocent and lie on form 4473 for a firearms background check, that is a felony. If if you lied because you were disqualified from purchasing a firearm, then it is not perjury, a felony, because that would violate your 5th amendment right to not incriminate yourself.
13:17:19 <Ampera> Criminal court in its own right is a fickle thing
13:17:42 <DHess_US> Halcyon, there is no solution because politicians, police, and judges like it that way.
13:17:46 <Ampera> Where the law is almost a guideline, less than an absolute determining factor.
13:18:09 <Halcyon> I don't think it's just that. The community have a certain expectation that Police are empowered to do their job and lock up bad guys.
13:18:36 <Ampera> My expectation is that people are there to do a job that should not have to be done.
13:18:38 <Halcyon> They need the appropriate powers to be able to effectively do that. But there also needs to be checks and balances in place
13:18:42 <DHess_US> Tell that to the community members who have been subject to civil assets forfeiture without being charged with a crime.
13:18:51 <Ampera> Improving them shouldn't be a way to reducing crime, because that's like stopping a flood by pumping water.
13:19:05 <Halcyon> DHess_US: I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but what percentage is that?
13:19:51 <DHess_US> For civil assets forfeiture? Most of the money seized is in small quantities such that going to court to contest it costs more.
13:19:56 <DHess_US> So 90% or higher
13:20:08 <Halcyon> No as in, how many people have that happen to them? And why?
13:20:17 <Halcyon> I'm not familiar with that process.
13:20:25 <DHess_US> lol, how many? Well, it brings in billions of dollars in total.
13:20:34 <Ampera> Court is a catch 22 where you have to choose between giving up and losing a lot of money
13:20:59 <Halcyon> It sounds like the legal system there is broken then
13:21:49 <Halcyon> If you're accused of a crime and you're innocent or you have some extraordinary circumstance where you believe that you should be found innocent, then court isn't expensive at all. If you're found not-guilty here, you don't pay court costs.
13:22:00 <Ampera> court isn't expensive
13:22:03 <Ampera> lawyers are
13:22:11 <Halcyon> Sure, but you can always self-represent
13:22:16 <Ampera> HAHAHAHAHA
13:22:27 <Halcyon> And in my experience when people do, the magistrates basically walk you through your evidence
13:22:30 <Halcyon> It's not difficult
13:22:31 <Ampera> You could also smash your face into the solid mahogany bench
13:22:38 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Statistics
13:23:00 <DHess_US> That doesn't happen here Halcyon.
13:23:04 <Ampera> In the US you're entitled to a public defender, which is a last resort legal representation option within criminal cases.
13:23:18 <DHess_US> Right, for a *criminal* case which is serious enough.
13:23:27 <Ampera> Civil cases is all bets are off
13:23:28 <DHess_US> i.e. it needs to be a felony.
13:23:45 <DHess_US> So you can be locked up for up to a year with no right to a lawyer or jury trial.
13:23:52 <Halcyon> Yeh so we have a thing called Seizure of assets that are proceeds of crime. It can be anything from cash to cars our houses.
13:24:14 <DHess_US> But here in the US, no criminal conviction is required.
13:24:20 <Halcyon> However for that to occur, the thing being seized has to be proven to be a proceed of crime.
13:24:39 <Halcyon> Obviously if it's something unlawful like drugs, no one's getting that back
13:25:35 <Ampera> Court is a system a lot of people never deal with
13:25:40 <DHess_US> Here it is typically cash or cars. The police even have portable card machines to confiscate cash from prepaid cards.
13:25:52 <Halcyon> Yeh that's not a thing here
13:25:53 <Ampera> but very few of those who do walk away easy
13:26:10 <Halcyon> If you commit a crime and there is evidence against you, you're charged with it.
13:26:33 <DHess_US> https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-have-a-new-way-to-take-your-money-prepaid-debit-cards
13:27:39 <Halcyon> Yeh wow
13:27:48 <Halcyon> Police aren't debt collectors, nor should they be
13:27:55 <Ampera> I think you can understand, though Halcyon, why a lot of Americans have a disdain for cops and authority
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13:28:02 <Ampera> because we have a long history of it being used to cuck us blind
13:28:03 <Halcyon> Oh I absolutely do understand
13:28:14 <Ampera> and why little things like swiss army knives make our blood boil :P
13:28:21 <Halcyon> As I've said before, it's in stark contrast to what happens here, it's quite shocking really.
13:28:49 <Ampera> No system is perfect, Halcyon, and I am skeptical about the skeletons hiding in Australia's collective closet
13:28:51 <Halcyon> That's OK Ampera, at least I can lawfully hack or modify my mobile phone without being charged ;-)
13:29:23 <Ampera> I'm honestly not up on those situations, but those, afaik, usually affect contract phones
13:29:25 <Halcyon> There were many skeletons, quite bad ones. This is why we had the Wood Royal Commission in the mid 1990's
13:29:43 <Ampera> I'd ask you to send me pictures of them, but the NBN is so slow you might as well mail them
13:29:44 <Halcyon> HUGE change was brought about after that and lots of bosses either lost their jobs or were offered deals to sink others.
13:30:57 <Ampera> For example, I could modify my new phone to my heart's content without breaking the law, as I have no contract binding me not to do otherwise.
13:31:16 <Halcyon> Yeh but that's bullshit, contract or not, you should be able to do what you want
13:31:23 <Halcyon> As I said, EULA's here mean nothing
13:31:35 <Halcyon> If you have a phone under contract and you modify it, well, you pay for it. Simples.
13:31:58 <Ampera> Here it's not about modifying, it's about modifying it in a way to abuse restrictions placed upon you by the telco
13:32:18 <Halcyon> Yep, even still
13:32:21 <Ampera> There's also a measure of book crime versus serious crime
13:32:23 <Halcyon> Not against the law
13:32:54 <Halcyon> The worst a Telco can do is terminate your contract if you're found to be abusing the service or acting outside the contract terms.
13:33:28 <Halcyon> For example, restrictions on things like tethering isn't a thing here. If it's a feature of the phone, you can do it on any service.
13:33:52 <MrMobodies> I I remember something back in 2014
13:33:54 <MrMobodies> https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/08/15/heres-how-cell-phone-unlocking-became-legal
13:34:24 <Halcyon> I even haven't seen a "Carrier locked" phone here for decades
13:34:31 <Halcyon> It just isn't done, there is no point to it
13:36:02 <Halcyon> I think there is even a thing where if you have a carrier locked phone, the carriers must unlock it for you upon request if not for free, for some small nominal fee. They can't refuse. So they just stopped doing it.
13:36:15 <Halcyon> It was more of an administrative burden for them, than anything else
13:37:52 <DHess_US> <Halcyon> Police aren't debt collectors, nor should they be
13:38:01 <DHess_US> It is not debt collection. It is just theft.
13:38:06 <DHess_US> State sanctioned theft.
13:38:19 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlocking_Consumer_Choice_and_Wireless_Competition_Act
13:38:24 <Ampera> I wonder whatever happened to this though, DHess_US
13:39:26 <DHess_US> The carriers now much provide unlock codes after the phones are paid off.
13:39:55 <Ampera> but are you still sure carrier unlocking is still a felony?
13:40:02 <Ampera> I recall it being one, but this seems to have repealed it
13:40:52 <DHess_US> https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/341614-tracfone-will-unlock-cell-phones-following-fcc-settlement/
13:41:00 <DHess_US> https://www.wired.com/2008/05/supreme-court-o/
13:41:23 <DHess_US> Ampera, no, hacking the phone is a felony because it violates the CFAA.
13:41:32 <Ampera> could I have a source for that?
13:42:00 <DHess_US> start here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
13:42:09 <Ampera> Yeah something more specific
13:42:17 <Ampera> as you are making a claim and I am questioning its validity
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13:43:23 <Ampera> I can't determine out of that list under which circumstances unlocking or rooting a phone could in any way be construed as illegal
13:43:31 <Halcyon> I'm doing a Stuart Ashen style taste test with my neighbour tonight
13:43:44 <Halcyon> We are buying a selection of horrible microwavable things :P
13:44:15 <DHess_US> https://www.wired.com/2008/05/myspace-indictm/
13:44:28 <Ampera> That article is 12 years old
13:44:48 <DHess_US> The law hasn't changed since then.
13:44:54 <Ampera> That case also ruled to state that it was not in violation of the CFAA
13:45:01 <Ampera> as doing so would have made the law overly braod
13:45:03 <DHess_US> Yes, in that district.
13:45:17 <Ampera> the question being, how does this relate to unlocking a phone
13:45:23 <DHess_US> That precedent does not apply outside that circuit.
13:45:42 <Ampera> That being said, there is no precedent to state otherwise.
13:45:58 <DHess_US> It relates because it would be unauthorized use of a computer which can include a violation of an agreement to use a computer.
13:46:18 <Ampera> but there was no case law created here that established that
13:47:01 <DHess_US> It doesn't have to be established for a prosecutor to charge someone with that.
13:47:17 <DHess_US> Check the other high profile cases, https://www.wired.com/2015/10/cfaa-computer-fraud-abuse-act-most-controversial-computer-hacking-cases/
13:48:21 <DHess_US> Oh, the Lori Drew case provides no precedent because it was never appealed.
13:48:41 <MrMobodies> similar to what happened to George Hotz and the "Other Os" feature but with a Playstation
13:48:48 <DHess_US> What the judge said or ruled is irrelevant for other cases.
13:49:34 <Ampera> DHess_US, which means that, for all intents and purposes, it has no bearing to the conversation or proving that arbitrarily modifying phone code against a license agreement is a criminal offense.
13:50:18 <Ampera> I still claim you have yet to provide a definitive link that this could be applied to private modification of a privately owned device.
13:50:27 <DHess_US> It means violating the agreement for accessing the phone is a violation of the CFAA according to various prosecutors.
13:50:33 <Ampera> If a device is not in full property of the individual doing the modification, then there would be reason to argue.
13:50:49 <Ampera> DHess_US, but no precedent has ever been set to establish that specifically
13:51:00 <DHess_US> haha, ask T-Mobile about that.
13:51:25 <Ampera> Feel free to provide me evidence of a case that has established that.
13:51:31 <Ampera> Private entities can tout whatever they want.
13:51:49 <DHess_US> They have been threatening to go after people for enabling tethering on their phones even when they are throttled.
13:51:50 <Ampera> Thousands of people have unlocked phones without being brought under any penalty.
13:52:35 <DHess_US> The usual way it works is that prosecutors wait for the perfect case to set precedent. Or they use the law to stack charges.
13:52:37 <Ampera> They can also make whatever threats they want. Until a law can be interpreted to apply to this situation (not that case law is ever truly static), or a real law overtly states unlocking of phones is illegal, I call bullshit.
13:52:56 <MrMobodies> I know one that use to do that trying to remember the name
13:53:12 <DHess_US> And I say that the CFAA covers it. And the people responsible for prosecuting the law say so also.
13:53:17 <MrMobodies> Giffgaff
13:54:00 <MrMobodies> they accused users of tethering and cut them off
13:54:24 <Ampera> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-113publ144/pdf/PLAW-113publ144.pdf The wording of this law seems to state otherwise.
13:54:37 <Ampera> Providing an overt affirmation to the specific legality of unlocking phone handsets.
13:55:09 <Ampera> Regardless of any of that, these laws are useless without interpretations and practical applications, which have not happened yet.
13:55:13 <DHess_US> It isn't about unlocking. The CFAA is about violating end user license agreements and unauthorized access.
13:55:43 <Ampera> Wouldn't that even presume that the phone is property of the company which provides its service?
13:55:58 <Ampera> To which none of this would matter anyways.
13:56:21 <Ampera> It could only feasibly apply to when that unlocked device was used in the commission of unauthorized access to a mobile phone network.
13:56:42 <Ampera> As for EULAs, I have no reason to believe the violations of those could ever be any more than a civil matter, at least within this context.
13:57:32 <Ampera> All I can construe is you have a lot of claims and very little evidence, besides hearsay and questionable interpretations of cases that established nothing.
13:59:17 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America,_Inc._v._Hotz
13:59:21 <MrMobodies> I don't think they would bother going after anybody...
13:59:25 <MrMobodies> Unless it is Sony
13:59:36 <DHess_US> That is on the civil side.
13:59:48 <Ampera> Which is not what we are talking about.
13:59:52 <Ampera> However I am still reading the article.
14:00:54 <Ampera> My issue with this case is it was settled out of court, which establishes nothing
14:02:15 <Ampera> I'd also say this case resides considerably within the DMCA category, which there does seem to be potential ground for a breach of.
14:07:49 <MrMobodies> Found this
14:07:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/10/27/right-to-tinker-victory/
14:08:17 <DHess_US> Funny reverse CFAA case, https://mttlr.org/2019/09/stretched-beyond-the-breaking-point-the-cfaa-and-iphone-batteries/
14:09:52 <MrMobodies> to either take data or cause damage
14:13:31 <MrMobodies> I see it is about the batteries and slowing it down it
14:16:06 <MrMobodies> and Louis Rossmann showing about Apple displaying scaremongering messages that the battery is no good even if with a genuine one.
14:28:45 <DHess_US> The part which amuses me is that those lithium batteries really are a fire hazard but the companies cannot be trusted to secure them.
14:31:17 <MrMobodies> Just like what happened to one of my customers laptops and the swollen lithium polymer battery that was insided the casing. No safety mechanism for that.
14:33:35 <MrMobodies> I was told by HP last year that they no longer make betteries for that particular model which was only two years old but I still saw them selling.
14:33:58 <MrMobodies> I mean the laptops not the battery
14:35:08 <Halcyon> Back
14:35:41 <Halcyon> I found some scary looking microwave foods in the freezer section
14:36:40 <MrMobodies> scary?
14:37:01 <Halcyon> With strange ingredients and things resembling meat
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14:37:38 <Halcyon> For example a roast chicken roll that is 35% chicken
14:37:47 <Halcyon> and a bunch of numbers
14:38:19 <Halcyon> And "Flavouring" whatever the hell that means
14:38:39 <MrMobodies> Sometimes they say in UK "100% British Beef" I say "But what bit of the beef?"
14:39:01 <Halcyon> The hoofs, eyelids and anuses
14:39:01 <Halcyon> :P
14:39:48 <MrMobodies> Nobody is going to know when it is ground up with the mechanically separated meat or reformed meat
14:40:23 <MrMobodies> There is new ingrediant i have noticed in sandwiches "Pork Belly" and "Palm Oil"
14:41:14 <MrMobodies> I am glad I don't have an appetite for them anymore when I see them selling in the shops. I make my own now.
14:41:41 <Halcyon> Yeh Palm Oil is quite common in lots of things
14:42:08 <Halcyon> Oh I'm very much a "make food from scratch" person. I love cooking.
14:42:27 <Halcyon> But I've never actually eaten things like microwave burgers before but I watch a lot of Youtube of people that do.
14:42:51 <Halcyon> So my neighbour and I are having a smorgasbord of microwave foods tonight
14:43:52 <MrMobodies> I think I see them call "Rustlers" in the shop, I never tried them as I don't like the look of them."
14:44:30 <Halcyon> I think Ashens reviewed the Aldi version of Rustlers
14:45:01 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMk5MzgcbIc
14:45:25 <Halcyon> We don't have this kind of variety in our shops, all I could find were burgers and chicken rolls
14:48:21 <Halcyon> But I did get some microwave mac and cheese
14:48:30 <Halcyon> And microwave chips (fries)
14:49:53 <MrMobodies> 20g of fat in that burger
14:50:15 <MrMobodies> oh sorry 185g so that would be less
14:55:34 <MrMobodies> I like the name "Quicksters". I look at it and quickly go past it.
14:55:41 <DHess_US> https://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2020/02/natl_medal_of_h.php
14:55:46 <Halcyon> Hahaaha
15:02:53 <MrMobodies> I once had meatballs and some baguettes. This time it was a different one with garlic already in there. When I looked at the ingredients I refused to eat it.
15:03:10 <MrMobodies> I think it was this one https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-2-garlic-baguettes-216594011
15:03:12 <Halcyon> All the chemicals?
15:03:42 <Halcyon> Eh, could be worse
15:03:53 <MrMobodies> that's like 70g of fat for two of them
15:03:56 <Halcyon> Yep
15:04:16 <Halcyon> I don't know why it needs Butter, Rapeseed oil, Palm oil, Palm fat and sunflower oil
15:04:17 <MrMobodies> and the Sainsbury's one that didn't have the herbs put in only had I think 4g of fat
15:05:19 <MrMobodies> Even the pizza's I buy I don't have that that much fat
15:09:42 <MrMobodies> I hope they'll get to know why they should not use ingredients like that with excessive fat/sugar because people like me won't be buying it anymore and I hope that turns into a fact one day. In fact I am already saving money and making my own. I use to like them but not since that change.
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15:18:30 <Halcyon> I find a lot more people cook at home, rather than buying pre-packaged stuff
15:41:40 <DHess_US> https://gunfreezone.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/spiderman-rice.jpg
15:43:02 <Halcyon> Hah
15:43:03 <Halcyon> Weird
15:47:07 <DHess_US> And I was worried that I would have to explain it.
15:54:36 <MrMobodies> He looks frightening to me
16:50:05 <MrMobodies> I just found this on Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324073571525
16:50:38 <MrMobodies> I never knew Amstrad makes sound cards but isn't that a very long volume knob.
16:51:58 <MrMobodies> That's a first for me to see... no line in or mic.
16:52:59 <MrMobodies> Sorry silly me, it is an Adlib clone.
16:54:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Silicon Chip - A conversation with Leo Simpson https://t.co/ryB0U9dMUq via @YouTube
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18:37:14 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
18:37:41 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon :)
18:38:00 <Halcyon> What's doing?
18:39:50 <Ysjoelfir> just arrived at work, checking mails and being very pleasantly suprised, that a resistor manufacturer actually dared to answer my in depth questions to their products. :) And you?
18:40:23 <Halcyon> Had a few wines, unpacked my Ikea package which arrived, been reorganising my kitchen drawers and cabinets
18:40:45 <Ysjoelfir> to accomodate for even better cooking ideas?
18:41:11 <Halcyon> Yup
18:41:19 <Ysjoelfir> nice :)
18:41:50 <Ysjoelfir> yesterday I noticed that that "smart garden" thing actually works - one day in and two of the pods already sprouted
18:41:51 <Halcyon> Although what I'm doing for dinner is a stark contrast
18:42:01 <Ysjoelfir> oh, what are you cooking?
18:42:05 <Ysjoelfir> noodles with ketchup?^^
18:42:06 <Halcyon> I'm not hahah
18:42:26 <Halcyon> So basically, my next door neighbour and I have decided to do a smorgasbord of microwave meals
18:42:46 <Ysjoelfir> ha, nice. sometimes one needs stuff like that
18:42:52 <Halcyon> So I went to the store to find anything I could, there wasn't a huge selection but I have a fair few things including microwave burgers and microwave chips (fries)
18:42:52 <Halcyon> :P
18:43:14 <Halcyon> We never ever eat this stuff, so I want to see what this is about.
18:43:23 <Halcyon> The ingredients list scares me a little
18:44:56 <Ysjoelfir> I did back in the days when I moved to frankfurt, that was when I thought that convenience food is cheaper than cooking for ourselves.... >_> the burgers are mostly ok-ish, if you dont care about floppy bread and a strange meat like thing made from eyeballs, claws and testicles. but be careful! when the gf and I tried microwave lasagna we both got an infection and had to go to hospital :X
18:45:04 <Ysjoelfir> since then... mostly only fresh food
18:45:40 <Halcyon> Well, I have been drinking all afternoon and my neighbour will be when he gets home. So... yeh :P I think we should be OK :)
18:46:04 <Ysjoelfir> aah, so germs will have no way of surviving, that is great :)
18:46:11 <Halcyon> Yup
18:46:30 <Halcyon> It's like on cruise ships; The people less likely to get sick from a stomach bug are those who drink
18:47:07 <Ysjoelfir> Well, at least if you don't drink to much, then you get sick from other sources
18:47:31 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:48:53 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
18:50:02 <Ysjoelfir> I have to admit that I am pretty happy about that smart garden thing. I was a bit sceptical when he gave it to me, especially since I know how expensive those are. But thinking about it, I like the idea
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18:52:03 <Ysjoelfir> especially since I again managed to kill my thyme -.-
18:53:52 <Halcyon> I'm trying to grow mint, thyme and rosemary at the moment
18:58:02 <Ysjoelfir> He gifted me capsules for lettuce, tomatoes, chilli peppers, peppermint, chives,.... erm.... basil.... and.... one more I forgot
18:58:09 <Ysjoelfir> must have cost a fortune >_>
18:58:16 <Halcyon> oooh chilli :)
18:58:34 <Ysjoelfir> OTOH, his wife works at emsa, so I guess he got it cheap
18:58:50 <Ysjoelfir> yep, I was very happy. Sadly only a very mild variety as far as the package says
18:59:27 <Halcyon> Still, good to grow your own
19:03:04 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely. I don't know if you read it here when I told... someone...: I have a big DIY planter in standing heigth on my balcony which I built from scrap wood. works great! I tried tomatoes in there (worked great but got to big and plopped down the roof, which my landlord didn't like), beans (dried up, the balcony is in direct sun most of the day), zucchini (got killed by bugs)
19:03:25 <Ysjoelfir> and 3 years from now I planted onions, leek and garlic
19:03:41 <Ysjoelfir> works great, doesn't need any new seeds, reseeds itself every year around 2 times
19:04:02 <Ysjoelfir> but the classic kitchen herbs always die in my hands :X
19:12:23 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
19:12:27 <T3sl4> mmm, allium
19:15:20 <T3sl4> i wonder if humans have a special, evolutionary relationship with allium
19:15:27 <T3sl4> we've been eating or farming them for a /very/ long time
19:17:01 <Ysjoelfir> Hi T3sl4 :)
19:17:35 <Ysjoelfir> We just love to smell like it :P
19:17:46 * Ysjoelfir has to bake some resistors, brb
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19:18:43 * T3sl4 rubs garlic on Ysjoelfir's resistors, expects their characteristics to improve
19:20:28 <T3sl4> (which, if they're not anti-sulfur types [really only relevant to thin-film types?], might actually have a contribution, if usually a negative one)
19:37:10 * Halcyon fondles T3sl4
19:37:44 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
19:37:57 <Halcyon> How's it going?
19:38:02 <T3sl4> Halcyon, did you see https://i.redd.it/v3ojvgqegxh41.jpg or https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingDerps/comments/f6bfcy/funky_birds_utterly_bamboozled_by_seed_pic_on_bag/
19:38:57 <Halcyon> Hahaha the first one is so true
19:39:04 <Halcyon> Awwww poor Emus
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19:44:13 <Lemon> hello peeps
19:44:32 * T3sl4 hugs Lemon
19:44:39 <Lemon> awww
19:44:41 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
19:47:45 <T3sl4> Halcyon, seems relevant https://imgur.com/gallery/DS5bMXT
19:49:28 <Halcyon> Hah
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19:50:47 <T3sl4> so the local pub i've regular'd for the last handful of years, is closing this week
19:50:57 <Halcyon> Oh I like this: https://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/60452640/
19:51:03 <Lemon> ha that sucks
19:51:06 <Halcyon> Oh no. Why?
19:51:08 <T3sl4> so there was a ton of people there seeing it off tonight, and will be tomorrow and sat
19:51:28 <T3sl4> dropping business, and personal reasons
19:51:36 <Halcyon> Damn :(
19:51:43 <T3sl4> they've been around for a good, 6 years? so that's not bad in the restaurant world
19:51:44 <Halcyon> Oooh, maybe it will become a gay club
19:51:44 <Halcyon> :D
19:52:03 <T3sl4> unlikely, it's in the middle of a small boomer suburb
19:52:14 <Halcyon> I could see you going there, being all straight and hard to get, telling all the guys "thanks but no thanks"
19:52:22 <Halcyon> You'd be the hottest one there because no one can have you
19:52:23 <T3sl4> part of the problem, it's away from business centers
19:54:31 <T3sl4> the building itself is nice, two dining rooms, like two dozen taps at the bar, it'd been through several changes of management before this one
19:54:47 <Halcyon> That sounds like a lot of taps
19:54:52 <Halcyon> Almost too many
19:55:03 <T3sl4> nah, there's more elsewhere
19:55:08 <T3sl4> this is beer country
19:55:11 <T3sl4> you should stop by some time ;)
19:55:25 <Halcyon> What would I drink?
19:56:06 <Halcyon> Do they have a wine list?
19:58:22 <T3sl4> winer
20:04:40 <Halcyon> That's wine-o
20:05:40 <Halcyon> https://www.instagram.com/p/B7uJOTVgxZi/
20:05:45 <Halcyon> Holy crap that looks good
20:05:56 <Lemon> ok do I get my lcr meter today or not
20:05:59 <Lemon> take a guess peeps
20:06:07 <Halcyon> Seared Beef Medallions, Poached Eggs, Roasted Potato Hash, Chilli Tomato Jam.
20:06:13 <Halcyon> My kind of breakky
20:06:29 <Halcyon> Lemon, is it due today?
20:08:44 * Ysjoelfir returned
20:08:59 <Lemon> well it can be there anyday
20:09:04 <Lemon> coming from our dear china
20:09:21 <Halcyon> Oh right, so it's a guessing game
20:09:29 <Halcyon> No actual tracking details
20:09:30 <Lemon> exactly
20:11:19 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, your rubbing action might explain the white goop that dripped off some of those. Or was is just heatsink compound which I applied with a syringe that was clearly too large? I wonder....
20:11:43 <T3sl4> ohhh myyy
20:11:48 <Halcyon> Gees, that started off quite raunchy then ended quite boring
20:12:05 <Ysjoelfir> :D exactly as I planned
20:12:19 * Halcyon pulls his board shorts back on
20:12:22 <Halcyon> Part pooper
20:12:26 <Halcyon> *Party
20:12:27 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D
20:12:35 <T3sl4> no, you had it right the first time
20:13:11 * T3sl4 poops a capacitor onto Halcyon's keyboard
20:13:25 <Halcyon> I wonder how easy it would be to replace the cork with a nice wood: https://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/70442575/
20:13:35 <Halcyon> I like the idea, don't really like the cork
20:13:47 <T3sl4> cork is wood too
20:13:59 <Halcyon> Yeh but it's not durable
20:14:08 <Halcyon> And I would prefer a darker colour to match my bedside table
20:14:10 <T3sl4> your face isn't durable
20:14:20 <Halcyon> No, it's not. It's delicate :P
20:14:28 <Halcyon> I have soft skin :)
20:17:35 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuEptwLiAvs
20:17:37 <Halcyon> Bahahahaha
20:19:59 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah, nice. have to watch that now :P
20:20:10 <Halcyon> I love this guy
20:21:05 <T3sl4> i've been told i have soft hands
20:21:28 <Halcyon> Soft hands are nice (and not because of THAT)
20:21:45 <T3sl4> i would like to work with tools more often, but until i have a shop i can do that in, i'm going to continue having this keyboard warrior physique
20:22:41 <Ysjoelfir> Loool, how great that vid is :D
20:22:44 <Ysjoelfir> and his reactions XD
20:24:42 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: I love how this guy (the flat earther) is such a big "tough", obnoxious douchebag when he is alone, in his car, with his camera, talking shit. But in his own home he is slapped down by his wife (who clearly has more sense than he does)
20:25:02 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely^^
20:26:44 <Ysjoelfir> yay.... that one workmate came in... and the first thing he HAS to do is to close MY window
20:28:01 <Ysjoelfir> And now he climbs into his sleeping bad and starts... "working"
20:29:25 <Halcyon> Sleeping bag?
20:29:43 <Ysjoelfir> erm... wait.
20:29:52 <Ysjoelfir> bedroll
20:30:19 <Ysjoelfir> I assumed it was a rather straight 1:1 translation
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20:33:38 <Halcyon> No, I know what a sleeping bag is... what is it doing at work?
20:35:23 <Lemon> so I got a bag of transistors from china
20:35:30 <Lemon> theres like, 17-20 different values
20:35:35 <Halcyon> \o/
20:35:36 <Lemon> no names on them bags :> thanks
20:35:44 <Halcyon> Haha did you expect anything different?
20:35:54 <Lemon> usually they do put it :>
20:36:01 <Halcyon> Lucky dip
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20:38:19 <Lemonizer> why
20:38:59 <Halcyon> ?
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20:53:13 <Ysjoelfir> Ah. Well, he is... a bit... strange. In that sleeping bag he also has a foot warmer mat and stuff like that.
20:53:26 <Halcyon> But.... does he not have a desk?
20:53:28 <Ysjoelfir> You open a window, 3 seconds later he is like "aaah, its cold, I shut it!"
20:53:30 <Ysjoelfir> he has
20:53:44 <Ysjoelfir> but don't ask me what he does for his money
20:54:18 <Ysjoelfir> he is sitting in the bag on his chair with his foot warmer in front of his desk
20:54:46 <Ysjoelfir> looking like a giant slug
20:55:12 <Halcyon> Weird
20:56:39 <Ysjoelfir> I assume that most of his time is spent for either writing stuff on whatsapp - with sound on so that everyone gets annoyed, or getting in/out of the bag, sloooooooowly walking to the kitchen, turning around half way, taking his cup, moving to the kitchen again, coming back, without the cup, going back to the kitchen, fetching the cup, coming back with the cup, 10 minutes later getting up again, going to the kitchen, half way tzurning
20:56:39 <Ysjoelfir> around, getting the cup, cleaning it, bringing it back while drizzling the residual water all over the floor,.....
20:57:30 <Ysjoelfir> he is so damn annoying.... Mr. Ph.D....
20:58:11 <Halcyon> We have a guy at work currently doing a PhD
20:58:21 <Halcyon> My gawd, he is the worst worker and really not all that bright
20:58:39 <Halcyon> It makes a mockery of the system
20:58:48 <steve30> hi
20:58:55 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :) Good morning
20:58:57 <Ysjoelfir> same here
20:59:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hi stee
20:59:25 <Halcyon> Hehe I have a friend here in Sydney called Steve, who I call "Sweet Stee"
20:59:41 <Ysjoelfir> lol :) I like that
21:01:42 <steve30> any particular reason he's sweet?
21:01:45 <steve30> ;)
21:01:51 <Halcyon> Hahaha
21:01:52 <Halcyon> Yep
21:02:34 <T3sl4> you should call him "sweet pee"
21:02:39 <T3sl4> because he's diabetic
21:02:42 <Halcyon> Seriously though, he is a sweetheart
21:02:45 <T3sl4> or something :P
21:02:52 <Halcyon> Wha!/
21:02:53 <Halcyon> ?
21:03:17 <Ysjoelfir> xD Now we learn about T3sl4s fetishes :D
21:03:29 <Halcyon> :P
21:04:23 <T3sl4> but, that is literally why diabetes mellitus is named what it is, and "pee" rhymes with "stee" so there
21:04:39 <Halcyon> We get it, you have a pee fetish
21:04:43 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:06:56 <steve30> Halcyon, is he cute?
21:07:00 <T3sl4> i don't actually, though i'm not complaining ;)
21:07:20 * T3sl4 hugs steve30 with a fresh hot coffee
21:07:31 <steve30> mmm, coffee
21:10:56 <Halcyon> Steve: Yeh he has a certain cuteness about him
21:12:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My new desk. Living the #YouTuber dream. https://t.co/HIyAQnt2PK
21:17:18 * steve30 wants a cute boy to keep him company
21:17:55 <Halcyon> Nawww
21:17:59 <Halcyon> Jump on Grindr?
21:19:14 <Ysjoelfir> I'm pretty sure that will hurt? http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWxGu8KkFzU1E7ZYMtCOAjSQRYRMk92ubzKUOYLsRInPGAf0_j-sIgAdBT4P4ZrfkA8AiAsuSxNKD2kGAjNuQ
21:19:27 <Halcyon> ?
21:19:35 <Ysjoelfir> jumping on that?
21:19:40 <Halcyon> Well, yes
21:20:01 <steve30> I have a grinder in the garage
21:21:11 <T3sl4> steve30 is into some kinky shit, don't judge
21:22:14 <Ysjoelfir> Rawr
21:22:20 <Ysjoelfir> don't we all like a little kink?
21:22:35 <Halcyon> No?
21:22:48 <Ysjoelfir> :O
21:24:24 * T3sl4 bends Halcyon
21:26:10 <Halcyon> :)
21:27:53 <steve30> I do suspect halcyon has a small liking for t3sl4co1ls :p
21:28:02 <Halcyon> Guilty :
21:28:04 <Halcyon> :P
21:28:29 * T3sl4 grins sparkily
21:35:48 <steve30> I think I'll have another coffee
21:44:34 <Lemonizer> alright named all those lil transistors baggies
21:48:01 <T3sl4> bagged up and lemony fresh?
21:48:32 <Lemonizer> exactly
21:49:55 <Halcyon> Need more Lemon Pledge
21:50:44 <Lemonizer> I earned that fresh cola
21:53:16 <Lemonizer> funny how I keep receiving stuff that I should get like a month later, but things that I should get now, nope
21:54:26 <Ysjoelfir> We (=head of development, administration and me) just discussed which reasons for ending a ticket in the bugtracking system we should add. Now we have the reasons "done.", "way to expensive!", "who needs that!?" and "I don't want to do that."
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21:57:37 <Ysjoelfir> Hi ChanOP
22:02:10 Nick: EEVBlog is now known as EEVBlog1
22:02:11 Nick: Ampera is now known as Ampera1
22:03:03 <steve30> hello EEVBlog1
22:04:34 <Lemonizer> hmmm I'd like to grab a few of those old dmms that got a decent accuracy and protection, for a few euros
22:04:44 <Lemonizer> like 3,5 digits or even 2.5
22:04:53 <Lemonizer> for 10/20 euros max
22:04:58 <Lemonizer> they are nice to carry around the house/car
22:05:11 <Lemonizer> (no im not collecting dmms, I swear)
22:05:29 <steve30> yay multimeters
22:05:51 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/decoration/1753472767.htm/
22:05:54 <Lemonizer> I keep seeing this one
22:06:17 <Lemonizer> I htink its a milliamp meter or something
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22:17:13 <K> hello
22:17:37 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
22:17:38 <EEVBlog1> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
22:17:41 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo! :D
22:18:03 <Ysjoelfir> I like it when it triggers :)
22:18:15 <K> that is one triggered bot!
22:18:20 <Ysjoelfir> You did a great job here Ampera1
22:18:38 <Halcyon> eevblog time
22:18:38 <EEVBlog1> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 22:18 Sydney time.
22:18:43 <Halcyon> Almost bed time
22:18:53 <steve30> bed sounds like a good idea
22:18:54 <Halcyon> eevblog status
22:18:54 <EEVBlog1> Latest EEVBlog Tweet: My new desk. Living the #YouTuber dream. https://t.co/HIyAQnt2PK
22:19:00 <Ysjoelfir> do you have to work tomorrow?
22:19:04 <steve30> I've not been up long though
22:19:04 <Halcyon> Me? Nope
22:19:17 <Halcyon> I have a haircut at 0915
22:19:36 <Ysjoelfir> ah. well, ok. you don't need to be awake for that. stay. :P
22:19:45 * steve30 notes that Halcyon has not long since had a haircut
22:19:54 <Halcyon> I have my hair cut every 2 weeks
22:20:00 <Halcyon> It's annoying
22:20:14 <steve30> will you be getting a twink massage again?
22:20:18 <Halcyon> Hopefully :)
22:20:23 <Halcyon> He works Saturdays
22:20:24 <steve30> :D
22:20:33 <Halcyon> His name is Jeremy, so cute/.
22:21:00 <steve30> ask him out on a date
22:21:13 <Halcyon> Hah, he is too young
22:21:21 <Halcyon> I'm in my 30's
22:21:58 <steve30> aww
22:22:14 <steve30> Is he on Grindr? Maybe you can hook up instead :D
22:22:18 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:22:28 <Halcyon> I don't want it to become awkward
22:23:37 <steve30> Send him over here, and I'll date him instead then :)
22:23:42 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:23:46 <Halcyon> You'd like him actually
22:24:21 <Ysjoelfir> you and your grinders :D What is "Grindr"? :) Please enlight my non-gay-soul :)
22:24:54 <steve30> Its a "gay hookup app"
22:25:00 <steve30> I've not used it myself
22:25:10 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindr
22:25:28 <Halcyon> It's kind of like Tindr but for guys
22:25:32 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not sure if I want to click that link at work :D
22:25:41 <Ysjoelfir> but I guess I get what it is^^
22:25:47 <Halcyon> Except you don't "swipe" you just get a "menu" of guys around you current location
22:26:16 <steve30> btw Halcyon, there was a display of books in the library for "LGBT History Month" yesterday. My eyes were rather drawn to the Tom Daley book :p
22:26:57 <Halcyon> Whilst I wouldn't kick Tom Daley out of bed, I feel as though he is a little bitch and would be terrible to date.
22:27:08 <Halcyon> Plus his penis isn't *that* big
22:27:26 <steve30> "In December 2019, the mutilated body of Kevin Bacon, a 25-year-old hairstylist from Swartz Creek, Michigan, was found hanging from the ceiling in the home of a man he met on Grindr. The alleged murderer, who has mental health issues, said he cut off and ate Bacon’s testicles. [41]"
22:27:41 <Ysjoelfir> Lol. :D Talking about being a little bitch... One thing I am intrigued to know: what do you full-gay-guys think about trannys?
22:27:49 <Ysjoelfir> yikes. doesn't sound tasty
22:27:53 <Halcyon> "Full gay guys" ?
22:28:02 <Halcyon> As opposed to part-time gays?
22:28:04 <Ysjoelfir> xD
22:28:13 <Ysjoelfir> no, as opposed to being bisexual
22:28:14 <Halcyon> Honestly, I don't care
22:28:28 <Halcyon> People can do as they please
22:28:32 <steve30> I'm reasonably indifferent to transgender people
22:28:40 <Halcyon> It's like... I couldn't care less that straight guys want to sleep with women
22:28:41 <Halcyon> You do you
22:29:17 <Ysjoelfir> As I am bi I think transgender are interesting, combining both sexes.
22:29:52 <Halcyon> Kind of on-topic... have you guys seen the Australian film "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" /
22:29:54 <Halcyon> ?
22:30:01 <Ysjoelfir> nope
22:30:04 <steve30> nope
22:30:14 <Ysjoelfir> but that is not a surprise, I don't watch movies all that often
22:30:29 <Halcyon> Trans isn't about "combining" anything, it's about feeling deep down another gender apart from what you were born as
22:30:40 <Ysjoelfir> I know.
22:30:43 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, steve30, if I can recommend you one movie, it be that
22:30:55 <Halcyon> I have it on my Plex server, otherwise I can give you cloud access to it
22:30:58 <Halcyon> It's a CLASSIC
22:31:09 <Halcyon> I think you would like it
22:31:32 <Ysjoelfir> I was talking only about the visual impression you get from the outside. :)
22:31:38 <Ysjoelfir> What's it about?
22:31:54 <Halcyon> Transgender doesn't equal Transexual
22:32:00 <Halcyon> It's about drag queens
22:32:24 <Halcyon> But it's a very popular Aussie movie from the early 90's.
22:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> Then I may watch it. My gf likes drag queens, so I guess she will enjoy it
22:33:09 <Halcyon> Honestly, I don't watch a lot of movies, but it's up there among my favourites
22:33:33 <Halcyon> Go to https://cloud.cyanlabs.com.au and register for an account, I'll approve it and give you access to my media share
22:34:31 <Lord_of_nothing> re
22:36:41 <Ysjoelfir> done that :) and now: time for lunch! :D
22:37:02 * steve30 downloads from the halcyon-super-gay-fileserver
22:37:07 <Halcyon> :P
22:37:13 <steve30> ooh, 780KB/s
22:37:28 <Halcyon> Hooray
22:37:45 <Halcyon> I think I migrated this server over to IPv6
22:38:33 <Lemonizer> Id really love to get more info on my mysterious watt/amp/voltmeter
22:38:42 <steve30> I'm IPv4 only here at the moment. Still haven;t got v6 working properly
22:38:45 <Lemonizer> and how to take it appart, to look at its guts
22:38:49 <Halcyon> AHh
22:38:52 <Lemonizer> theres not a single clip, screw etc
22:38:57 <Halcyon> Is that speed maintaining?
22:39:09 <steve30> yup
22:39:13 <Halcyon> Excellent
22:39:26 * steve30 goes to make coffee
22:39:31 <Halcyon> Well not really, but I'm on the NBN
22:44:26 <Lemonizer> http://forum.wda-fr.org/download/file.php?id=1009&t=1
22:44:30 <Lemonizer> I have dis
22:44:59 <steve30> nice
22:45:03 <Lemonizer> on the back, theres zero screws, only 4 feets that doesnt move at all (one is missing, theres just a hole but I cant see anyuthing inside)
22:45:08 <Lemonizer> I have no clue how to open it
22:45:10 <Lemonizer> like really
22:45:28 <Lemonizer> its so mysterious, thats the only picture on the web (the guy got it as a collection item, no info from him)
22:46:11 <Ysjoelfir> just throw it out of the window, I'm sure it will open =)
22:46:19 <Lemonizer> I tried the voltmeter funciton and it works, its actually quite precise
22:46:44 <Lemonizer> man its so mysterious, what are those 'D', 'M' settings ?
22:47:19 <Lemonizer> tthe needle is ULTRA thin
22:47:23 <Lemonizer> thats really impressive
22:48:33 <Lemonizer> its well made honestly
22:48:44 <Lemonizer> but without documentation, well thats hard to guess what does what
22:50:31 <Lemonizer> if someone can find some infos on it, I'd really appreciate it !
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22:53:30 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
22:53:35 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
22:53:59 <Ampera> welp
22:54:00 <Ampera> I got paid
22:54:35 <Ampera> that's a lotta moolah
22:54:40 <Halcyon> YAY!
22:54:45 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
22:55:02 <Lemonizer> du biff de la moolah, du caramelllll
22:56:46 <Halcyon> So that much closer to your server
22:57:07 <Ampera> I need to figure out how I wish to arrange the funds
22:57:24 <Halcyon> Meh, you have plenty of time to work that our
22:57:27 <Halcyon> *out
22:57:30 <Halcyon> It's not going anywhere
22:59:46 <steve30> I have a wallet if you want somewhere to put it
22:59:47 <Lemonizer> buy all the test gear !
23:00:04 <Lemonizer> id love a spectrum analyzer
23:00:11 <Lemonizer> just to play with its buttons and thingies
23:01:44 <Ampera> alright my initial financial plan has been established
23:01:45 <Ampera> that took long
23:03:22 <Lemonizer> what would be a simple thing to test the Amps function of my analog watt/amp/volt meter ?
23:03:31 <Lemonizer> I never really measured amps before
23:03:40 <Ampera> to test amps it needs to be under load
23:03:40 <Lemonizer> only once on my ebike, via a wattmeter haha
23:03:49 <steve30> light bulb
23:03:52 <Lemonizer> yeeah I know that, im looking for a simple setup
23:03:53 <Ampera> as in, if you were to stuff current through your meter you'd blow it up
23:03:57 <Ysjoelfir> measure the current of a LED or a lightbulb or whatever? :)
23:03:57 <Ampera> besides that
23:04:08 <Ampera> LR2032 and an LED taped together
23:04:11 <Lemonizer> thats what im afraid
23:04:26 <Ampera> even if you fuck something up, it's not enough current to really break anything
23:04:27 <Lemonizer> and I probe each leg of that led ?
23:04:31 <Ampera> yep
23:04:55 <Lemonizer> alrighty thanks lemme see if I have a 2032 thjats juicy enough
23:05:33 <steve30> Here's some current
23:05:34 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/lab_psu/ohp_lamp_current.JPG
23:06:00 <Ysjoelfir> thats just 10A steve :) thats nothing :D
23:07:52 <Lemonizer> ok I got a good one
23:07:55 <Lemonizer> lemme take them
23:08:55 <Lemonizer> lets try with the keithley first
23:09:16 <Lemonizer> one thing I dont understand
23:09:21 <Lemonizer> theres ac and dc amps, right ?
23:09:24 <Lemonizer> not only ac
23:09:36 <Lemonizer> I really lack basic understanding of current
23:10:06 <steve30> yup
23:12:59 <Lemonizer> so for that led for example
23:13:03 <Lemonizer> thats dc current ?
23:13:06 <Lemonizer> thats logical
23:13:42 <Ysjoelfir> jeo
23:13:44 <steve30> If its powered by a DC voltage, it will be DC current
23:15:00 <Lemonizer> yeah thats what I figured
23:15:05 <Lemonizer> ok I get like 20-22ma
23:15:10 <Lemonizer> lets try with the big boi
23:15:16 <Lemonizer> but first, I need to find where to plug probes :>
23:15:21 <Lemonizer> with this confusing af labels
23:15:29 <Lemonizer> http://forum.wda-fr.org/download/file.php?id=1009&t=1
23:15:42 <Lemonizer> anyone got an idea ?
23:16:30 <Lemonizer> id say black probe in number 3, and red in 4
23:16:36 <Lemonizer> (1 is at the bottom)
23:16:45 <Lemonizer> watcha think ? Ysjoelfir
23:17:06 <Ysjoelfir> what is written on those jacks? can't read it from the pic
23:17:40 <Lemonizer> on the three theres a 0, and the 4 theres 0.006-15, with a A
23:17:55 <Ysjoelfir> jep, sounds about right
23:18:00 <Lemonizer> to measure volts thats red on the 1 (15-600) and black on two
23:18:06 <Lemonizer> ok anyway do I risk something ?
23:18:31 <Ysjoelfir> well, you should start at the highest range and get down until the meter starts moving. besides that.. no, not really.
23:18:35 <Ysjoelfir> keep polarity in mind
23:18:59 <Lemonizer> ho speaking on polarity
23:19:07 <Lemonizer> for some reasons it was reversed on the keithley
23:19:28 <Lemonizer> if I put the black probe on the negative side of the battery, it was showing minus 20ma
23:19:31 <Lemonizer> why that ?
23:20:39 <Ampera> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERE9wLSXkAQa_PP?format=jpg&name=small
23:20:42 <Ampera> this is the best image
23:20:56 <Ampera> bcc Halcyon
23:21:50 <Lemonizer> ok the needles indeed moves, but it seems to be a too big load or something
23:21:55 <Lemonizer> as the led doesnt light up
23:22:17 <Ysjoelfir> then it has a too high burden resistor ;) in a higher amps range it should light up
23:22:23 <Halcyon> WTF is it Ampera?
23:22:32 <Ampera> what do you mean what is it?
23:23:00 <Halcyon> I don't recognise it?
23:23:10 <Ampera> well what are you trying to recognize?
23:23:16 <Halcyon> Anything
23:23:20 <Halcyon> It's just shapes and colours to me
23:23:22 <Ampera> well there's your problem
23:23:26 <Ampera> maybe you should try to recognize something
23:23:31 <Ampera> not just anything
23:23:32 <K> the fuck is that
23:23:32 <Halcyon> I can't?
23:23:38 <Halcyon> It's just random whatever
23:23:39 <Ampera> good lord you people
23:23:48 <Lemonizer> hmm even on high ranges it doesnt change much
23:24:00 <Lemonizer> it lights for 100ms and the needle moves a few mm thats it
23:24:02 <Ampera> alright try this one: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFMhSgXYAABxOg?format=jpg&name=medium
23:24:07 <Lemonizer> lets try on the multavi 5
23:24:21 <Halcyon> Same thing, it's just a mish-mash of whatever
23:24:36 <Ampera> you ever stop to think that's the point and purpose?
23:24:46 <Halcyon> Sure
23:24:56 <Halcyon> Except I see no point or purpose in this
23:25:02 <Halcyon> Therefore it means nothing to me
23:25:18 <Ampera> perhaps its sole purpose is to have no purpose
23:25:21 <Ampera> however we are marveling at it
23:25:23 <Ampera> discussing it
23:25:25 <Ampera> so quite obviously
23:25:30 <Ampera> it has a purpose
23:25:31 <Halcyon> Then I just wasted valuable seconds
23:25:39 <Ampera> you want them back?
23:25:46 <Halcyon> Too late
23:26:01 <Halcyon> I tend not to be a "consumer" or content and rather a "contributer"
23:26:05 <Ampera> 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd
23:26:08 <Ampera> here's some 2nd's back
23:26:42 <Lemonizer> Ysjoelfir hmm on the multavi, it moves a lot ! like if I put it on the 0.6 amps range, it goes up to 15
23:26:49 <Lemonizer> thats 300ma
23:27:04 <Ampera> I've finalized on my cellphone plan
23:27:05 <Ysjoelfir> wait wait wait. how do you measure that?
23:27:28 <Ampera> ~50/mo for 25GB Data (then throttled to EDGE speeds), and unlimited talk/text
23:27:29 <Lemonizer> I put it on the amps range, dc, and like I did earlier ?
23:27:34 <Ampera> presumably within the US and maybe Canada
23:27:50 <Halcyon> That is fucking expensive
23:27:54 <Halcyon> Does that come with a phone?
23:27:58 <Ampera> nope
23:28:01 <Halcyon> Holy fuck
23:28:02 <Ampera> and that's the cheapest plan around
23:28:15 <Ampera> same plan from Deutsche Telekom a couple years ago would have been 100/mo
23:28:16 <Ysjoelfir> lemonizer, where are your probes
23:28:17 <Ampera> before taxes/fees
23:28:21 <Lemonizer> and I put the black plug on the A hole
23:28:28 <Halcyon> I pay USD$25.75/mnth for 30 GB unlimited everything
23:28:30 <Lemonizer> as theres a + for the red one
23:28:33 <Lemonizer> no ?
23:28:50 <Ampera> Not a plan possible around here
23:29:03 <Halcyon> The thing is "around here" is Australia
23:29:10 <Ampera> For 10 dollars more there is an in theory unlimited plan
23:29:12 <Halcyon> We don't have certain places where one carrier is a thing
23:29:21 <Halcyon> All carriers operate everywhere
23:29:31 <Halcyon> (To a degree; Some better than others)
23:29:36 <Ampera> where they technically don't throttle, but proclaim at 60GB/mo they reserve the right to investigate you for breaching their usage policies
23:29:43 <Ampera> we don't either?
23:29:50 <Ampera> all carriers are nationwide
23:29:52 <Ampera> there's four of them
23:30:00 <Halcyon> Why the hell do they charge so much then?
23:30:01 <Ampera> AT&T, Deutsche Telecom, Sprint, and Verizon
23:30:05 <Halcyon> Where is the competition?
23:30:14 <Ampera> There's tons of it, that's one of the most competitive rates around
23:30:19 <Ampera> it just simply costs that much
23:30:22 <Halcyon> I thought our data was expensive
23:31:35 <Halcyon> Although I've said this before, whilst we fail miserably at fixed wire internet, our mobile networks rock
23:32:17 <Ampera> that is true
23:32:29 <Ampera> we don't have bad mobile networks, heck they span much of the populated nation
23:32:37 <Ampera> which is presumably part of why they're so expensive
23:32:41 <Halcyon> As do ours
23:32:51 <Ampera> yes but your populated nation is much smaller than ours
23:33:09 <Halcyon> You would be surprised at what telcos consider "population"
23:33:12 <Ampera> you have a pop of 24.6 million we have 330 million
23:33:26 <Halcyon> I've literally been in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and had LTE coverage
23:33:39 <Halcyon> The number doesn't matter, it's how it's spread out
23:33:45 <Ampera> outback bumblefuck or countryside bumblefuck
23:34:18 <Halcyon> https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/our-coverage
23:34:33 <Halcyon> Like those gaps you see, are literally nothing for hundreds of kilometers
23:35:04 <Ampera> https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/coverage-map
23:35:11 <Ampera> This is what a Deutsche Telekom coverage map looks like in comparison
23:35:16 <Ampera> way different
23:35:25 <Ampera> and this is /one/ provider
23:35:50 <Lemonizer> Ysjoelfir Im doing it wrong ?
23:35:51 <Ampera> https://www.att.com/maps/wireless-coverage.html AT&T
23:35:57 <Ampera> https://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp? Sprint
23:35:59 <Halcyon> Yeh so more or less the same kind of gaps around the rural areas
23:36:06 <Ampera> https://www.verizonwireless.com/featured/our-network/ Verizon
23:36:09 <Halcyon> Well "extra" rural
23:36:19 <Ampera> they cover more area though
23:36:26 <Halcyon> Of course
23:36:30 <Halcyon> Because people live there
23:36:31 <Ampera> and there's a lot of nothing in that area
23:36:35 <Halcyon> So they put towers there
23:36:56 <Halcyon> People don't live in the middle of Australia (mostly)
23:36:58 <Ampera> https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf
23:37:04 <Ampera> This is what a US population density map looks like
23:37:10 <Ysjoelfir> I might have missed it. red lead goes from where to where, same for black?
23:37:12 <Ampera> where you can see there's a whole lot of nothing in a lot of that area
23:37:24 <Lemonizer> red lead goes into the + hole
23:37:29 <Lemonizer> and the black into the A hole
23:37:35 <Ysjoelfir> and the other sides?
23:37:42 <Halcyon> Yep, more or less what I expected
23:37:43 <Lemonizer> on both led legs ?
23:37:46 <Lemonizer> like I did earlier
23:37:47 <Ysjoelfir> aha
23:38:02 <Ysjoelfir> so you shorted out the led and measured the maximum current the battery can deliver
23:38:13 <Ysjoelfir> you measure current in series and voltage in parallel
23:38:26 <Lemonizer> ha ! but why someone said yes earlier xd
23:38:32 <Lemonizer> I did that with the keithley, got 20ma or so
23:38:40 <Lemonizer> and on the big boi got nothing significant
23:38:44 <Lemonizer> thats strange
23:38:48 <Lemonizer> so I should I probe it ?
23:38:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I would expect (20mA)
23:39:09 <Halcyon> Our land mass is 362.63 sq. km per 1000 people, the US is 30.06 sq. km per 1000.
23:39:35 <Ampera> what's a km
23:39:47 <Halcyon> 0.621 miles
23:39:54 <Ampera> fuck that jazz
23:39:56 <Ampera> let's just use miles
23:40:07 <Halcyon> Let's just use proper measurements :P
23:40:20 <Ampera> agreed, miles
23:40:23 <Halcyon> Yeh.. no
23:40:30 <Halcyon> Even your scientists don't agree
23:40:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/542853479329431563/DywpGEtVAAAdlpR.png
23:40:43 <Lemonizer> but Ysjoelfir why on the multavi I get a different reading ?
23:40:57 <Ysjoelfir> because of the burden resistor
23:41:00 <Ysjoelfir> *resistance
23:41:11 <Lemonizer> so those cells can deliver 20ma max ?
23:41:21 <Halcyon> Whethere we are or aren't withing nuking distance, everyone knows you won't nuke shit, let alone Australia :P
23:41:23 <Lemonizer> while I read 300ma on the multavi
23:41:28 <Ysjoelfir> no. I'm sure it can more
23:42:08 <Halcyon> You nuke us, you're also nuking some of your own bases, infrastructure, personnel and intelligence sources
23:42:08 <Lemonizer> thats why I dont like measuring current :>
23:43:11 <Ysjoelfir> its actually pretty simple. you just have to keep sime things in mind.
23:43:27 <Halcyon> Anyway, bed time. I have to be up in 8 hours :(
23:43:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, we've nuked ourselves more times than we've nuked anyone else
23:43:36 <Lemonizer> so if I want to measure it correctly
23:43:38 <Lemonizer> how should I do ?
23:43:42 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 halcyon
23:43:43 <Halcyon> No surprises there Amepera :P
23:43:51 <Halcyon> Ampera even
23:43:51 <Ampera> good night fren
23:43:56 <Halcyon> Night mate
23:43:56 * Ampera kisses Halcyon on the kisser
23:43:58 <Halcyon> Night Ysjoelfir
23:44:02 <Halcyon> Nawwww :)
23:44:38 <Ysjoelfir> Lemonizer: connect it like that:
23:44:40 <Halcyon> steve30: I hope you enjoy the movie
23:44:50 <Halcyon> I tear up during parts
23:45:27 <Ysjoelfir> battery + -> ampmeter -> LED+ -> battery -
23:46:37 <Lemonizer> so wheres goes the positive probes ?
23:46:41 <Lemonizer> probe
23:47:00 <Lemonizer> cell + on black probe, led + on negative batt ?
23:47:16 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
23:47:18 <Ysjoelfir> wait
23:47:24 <Lemonizer> no I read it wrong
23:50:09 <Ysjoelfir> Lemonizer: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J3c7OI6rQkNYFRtwJj8YhAaP5uWjNlre/view?usp=sharing
23:50:13 <Lemonizer> so battery + to red probe, black probe to led+ that goes on battery -
23:50:21 <Ysjoelfir> right
23:53:28 <Lemonizer> thanks dude
23:53:32 <Lemonizer> ok so I think I got it right
23:53:36 <Lemonizer> but nothing on the keithley at all
23:53:43 <Lemonizer> how much should it draw ?
23:53:48 <Lemonizer> the led does light up slightly
23:55:01 <Lemonizer> ok I get 37ma
23:55:05 <Lemonizer> is it right >
23:56:01 <Ysjoelfir> 37mA sounds like a bit much for the LED.
23:59:16 <Lemonizer> so on the big boi, it lights up but the needle aint moving this time
23:59:18 <Lemonizer> even on low ranges
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