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11:38 Quit: slo ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
30:24 Join: Lemon ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
30:36 <Lemon> awww peeps im sad, I got my triplett 630NS
30:41 <Lemon> and it seems to be dead !
35:06 <MrMobodies> this one
35:12 <MrMobodies> https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/20060/113299/triplett-630-ns-analog-volt-ohm-meter-multimeter-vom-as-is-parts-1.35__07273.1490167407.jpg
35:38 <Lemon> yes
35:48 <MrMobodies> but all resistors in there https://www.radiomuseum.org/images/radio/triplett_electrical/multimeter_630_ns_type_2_1139452.jpg
35:50 <Lemon> it was supposed to work according to ebay seller
36:27 <MrMobodies> I see it has a got a big capacitor in there.
36:39 <MrMobodies> What if you were to apply some heat
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41:49 <Nothing\> welp, i'm back from prison
41:51 <Nothing\> lol
42:03 <Nothing\> wound up being able to serve my sentence on weekends :D
42:19 <Nothing\> 90 days plus 18 months probation, not too shabby
42:44 <Nothing\> but with good behaviour that 90 becomes 60 days
43:19 <Nothing\> and i heard something about each weekend counting as 3 days even though i'm only in 2 so that'll mitigate it even more
44:07 <MrMobodies> so prison every weekend but you can go to work
44:15 <MrMobodies> on weekdays
44:24 <Lemon> hooo thats good news !!
45:16 <Lemon> (the meter needle moves a lot with gravity, and no matter what I try to measure, no movement. Batteries were leaking, so I cleaned wires, and applied power from my lab supply but nope nothing works)
45:17 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: yeah but i don't work, so i dunno why they did it, but i'm not complaining
45:27 <Nothing\> Lemon: very good news, turns out the praying worked :D
45:56 <Lemon> I hope it helped !! im happy for you :P
46:15 <Nothing\> dude, he answered every single one i sent his way
46:27 <Nothing\> it's great
46:48 <Nothing\> i'm and sure your's helped a lot too
47:04 <Nothing\> i immediately got in good with the "higher ups"
47:47 <Nothing\> which is good cuz it's basically just 60 guys stuck in a room all weekend
48:04 <Lemon> yes thats def a good thing !
48:04 <MrMobodies> It nice that they didn't jail you every day of the week
48:05 <Nothing\> but everyone in there's real chill, nobody messes with anyone
48:13 <Nothing\> and the other half of them sleep through it
48:40 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: tell me about it, i wa starting to get really antsy around sunday afternoon
48:59 <Nothing\> but maybe that's cuz i knew i was going home soon
49:19 <Nothing\> lol they even let us smoke right on our range
49:25 <Nothing\> weed and cigarettes
49:38 <Nothing\> even though we're not technically allowed to
49:39 <hsn93> guys (conformal coatings) have what is called (dielectric strength) isnt that just (insulation) ?
49:50 <MrMobodies> maybe that prisons/county treats it's inmates well and humanley
49:52 <Lemon> a lot better than expected then :>
50:08 <Lemon> id say its insulation yes
50:09 <Nothing\> hsn93: i'm not sure what they difference is but they're similar i believe
50:14 <Nothing\> hsn93: one sec
50:50 <Nothing\> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/dielec.html
50:59 <Nothing\> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/conins.html
51:05 <Nothing\> great site for quick references
51:15 <Nothing\> not terribly detailed, but gives you what you need usually
51:20 <hsn93> so high speed design would care about (dielectric) of the conformal coating as well ?
51:41 <MrMobodies> what a good clear reference
51:45 <hsn93> this site is the best
51:46 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: not from what i'v heard from the full timers
52:08 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: i know, hyperphysics is the best
52:12 <Nothing\> they have hypermath as well
52:26 <Nothing\> hsn93: i would imagine it would
52:41 <Nothing\> if inductance matters, capacitance would as well
52:48 <Lemon> im sad about the triplett really
52:55 <Nothing\> triplet?
52:56 <Lemon> I was so happy to find one in decent condition for not that much
53:07 <Lemon> yeah a nice VOM, a triplett 630NS
53:11 <Lemon> it was supposed to be working but its not
53:14 <Nothing\> ah nice
53:20 <Nothing\> er not so nice :/
53:28 <Lemon> either the movement got damaged during shipping, or he's lieing
53:29 <Nothing\> man typing feels awkward
53:49 <Nothing\> not just using dvorkak, cuz i'm starting to lose my dvorak abilities
53:50 <MrMobodies> being a classic... I wouldn't know what to do.
53:55 <Nothing\> but just typing in general
54:12 <MrMobodies> I mean with returns and that with the seller
54:26 <Nothing\> i'd return it
54:32 <Lemon> well I paid almost half in shipping
54:35 <Lemon> that sucks
54:43 <Nothing\> damn
54:56 <Nothing\> as joe pesci says in lethal weapon 3
55:01 <Nothing\> they fuck you with the shipping
55:11 <Nothing\> or at least he would if it were filmed now
55:12 <Lemon> true thing
55:22 <MrMobodies> and the tuna sandwich
55:44 <Nothing\> i've really gotta shower, jail makes you feel gross
56:08 <Nothing\> lol dude, they don't even give you a spork anymore for meals
56:24 <Nothing\> they just give you this piece of cardboard you fold in half and use as a spoon
56:36 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
56:38 <Ampera> how are you doing
56:41 <Nothing\> and you're expected to cut sausages (tough hotdogs) with that
56:48 <Ampera> lol
56:52 <Nothing\> Ampera: i'm back from my first weekend in prison
57:00 <Nothing\> doing really well, it wel great
57:02 <Ampera> I'd ask how it was, but from the sounds of things not great
57:02 <Nothing\> went great
57:08 <Nothing\> no, quite great
57:12 <Ampera> in what way
57:14 <Nothing\> much better than i could have hoped for
57:20 <Ampera> cor that sounds good
57:30 <Ampera> I'm sitting in a room waiting for a meeting to start
57:32 <Nothing\> well, i got in with the higher ups of the range, the guys who sorta run things, per se
57:50 <Nothing\> not that it matters cuz everybody gets along well
58:07 <Nothing\> we've basically got the place to ourselves
58:13 <MrMobodies> including the prison staff?
58:21 <Nothing\> yeah, no staff in our range
58:31 <Nothing\> they come back once every 30 minutes to check on us, that's it
58:41 <Nothing\> otherwise it's 60 of us in one room
58:48 <MrMobodies> I see they trust them
58:50 <MrMobodies> that's nice
58:51 <Nothing\> 30 bunks for sleeping
58:59 <Nothing\> about half a dozen tables
59:10 <Nothing\> 20 chairs in front of the tv
59:24 <Nothing\> bathorom with a couple of urinals, couple of toilests and 3 showers
59:27 <Nothing\> that's about it
59:51 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: it's more that it's understaffed as hell
00:09 <MrMobodies> good that the inmates got along
00:16 <Nothing\> but while they keep the full timers on lockdown 24/7, we get freedome
00:27 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: oh i know, i figured it'd be like highschool
00:42 <Nothing\> that's how my last time in was, and i wasnt' even in a real jail
00:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, sounds like a strangely unique social experience
00:56 <Nothing\> Ampera: it really was tbh
01:16 <Nothing\> i got along really well with everyone, even the "cool kid", which is unusual for me
01:28 <Ampera> lol
01:34 <Ampera> sounds better than highschool
01:39 <Nothing\> i was naturally talkatative and social and fit in for a change
01:42 <Nothing\> it was lol
01:50 <Nothing\> we even had cigarettes
01:57 <Nothing\> they let us smoke right inside the range
02:07 <Nothing\> which is what we call our room, the range
02:40 <Nothing\> the guards don't care what we do as long as it doesn't cause trouble for them
02:46 <MrMobodies> looks like a level of trust between the inmates and staff
02:50 <Nothing\> so they don't care if we smoke, even weed
02:56 <Nothing\> oh yeah they trust us a lot
03:01 <Nothing\> mutual respect
03:50 <Nothing\> the other permanent ranges, one guy got strangeld with a piano wire
04:26 <Nothing\> and a couple of weeks ago some guy faked a fight, then when the guards came, the entire range about 60 inmates all rushed the guards and beat them within an inch of their lives
04:32 <Nothing\> so i lucked out
05:44 <MrMobodies> a setup to lure the gaurds
05:51 <Nothing\> precisely
06:07 <MrMobodies> oops guard spelt wrong
06:29 <MrMobodies> and it only takes one or two to ruin it for everyone.
07:24 <Nothing\> yeah exactly, then the whole prison gets locked down, not just the range
07:31 <Lemon> if anyone knows why an analog meter cant read anything, im interested
07:35 <Nothing\> which means everyone stays in their cell for at least a day
07:41 <Lemon> the needle moves a lot with gravity
07:55 <Nothing\> Lemon: wish i could help you, maybe the spring broke?
08:13 <Nothing\> i think there's a spring in it that keeps it sorta centered
08:16 <Lemon> well I looked carefully and it seems everything is there
08:22 <Lemon> its a coil
08:31 * Ysjoelfir wonders if ampera is still around
08:33 <Lemon> but it should move a bit when measuring anything
08:33 <Nothing\> yeah, like an old fashioned thermomemeter
08:35 <MrMobodies> couldn't they make and break on delivery?
08:37 <Lemon> thats why I wonder
08:46 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir !
08:49 <Ysjoelfir> :O
08:51 * Ysjoelfir hides
08:55 <Lemon> help me :(
08:57 <Nothing\> dammit my mom moved my mess while i was gone
08:58 <Ysjoelfir> :D
09:08 <Lemon> the triplett 630ns I received isnt working :(
09:23 <Lemon> its insides looks really well besides the usual battery leakage
09:33 <Lemon> I measured resistors, they are almost spot on
09:46 <Lemon> no connections seems to be missing
09:50 <MrMobodies> is there a big capacitor in there?
09:53 <MrMobodies> like the picture
09:58 <MrMobodies> and does that work
09:59 <Lemon> yeah but he's alright
10:05 <Ysjoelfir> thats a bummer, it's a rather beautiful meter with that cool rotary resistors.
10:08 <Nothing\> i got a clamp meter i can't measure any current on... turned out the range is 200-1000amps
10:20 <Nothing\> i dunno why they think that makes it perfect for hobbyists
10:30 <Lemon> I mean if the needle moves with gravity
10:32 <MrMobodies> I think of it as a "Resistor roundabout"
10:34 <Lemon> its not broken no ?
10:49 <Lemon> it could be out of balance sure
10:50 <Nothing\> Lemon: are you french?
10:53 <Lemon> but it should at least move a bit
10:55 <Lemon> yeah
11:07 <Nothing\> ah je parle un petite par francais
11:22 <Ysjoelfir> lol. 1000 amps... sweet :D recently I gathered a current clamp from the factories trash (it was off by 0.2%, oh no!). turned out to be a 10kA clamp.
11:25 <Lemon> hooo c'est cool :>
11:41 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir: nice
11:46 <Lemon> I still need a clamp while I think about it
11:49 <Ysjoelfir> however, regarding Kumquats meter: can you measure the resistance of the meters meter?
11:51 <Lemon> but that triplett...
11:59 <Lemon> you have any ideas Ysjoelfir ?
11:59 <Ysjoelfir> I have many clamps flying around, which do you need?
11:59 <Nothing\> Lemon: yeah i'm in canada so i was made to take it for 9 years in school
12:10 <Lemon> the resistance of the meters meter
12:20 <Ysjoelfir> sounds nice, huh?
12:52 <Lemon> ho well I was looking for an analog one, that could read the usual 3-500 amp max with low ranges too :>
12:59 <Lemon> but what do you mean ? byt that resistance
13:12 <Lemon> haaa wait
13:15 <Lemon> I think I understand
13:23 <Nothing\> oh good, i found a uni
13:27 <Nothing\> t brand clamp meter
13:45 <Nothing\> i might get that, i have a un-t multimeter it's done me well
14:02 <Nothing\> i dunno why i feel like i can't type right today
14:24 <Lemon> ok im oppening it again
14:31 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I am, but I just finished my meeting
14:44 <Lemon> but to measure the resistance of the meter
14:51 <Nothing\> i found it interesting that the metal on the clamp meter's clamp is laminated
14:54 <Lemon> hmm idk if I have to take the front plate off
14:57 <Nothing\> it's not something i had considered
15:36 <Ampera> I have Arch Linux running via WSL
15:41 <Ysjoelfir> ah, ok @ampera. I just wanted to ask for that recipe you have linked a few days ago. you posted it on your website iirc. wanted to try that today
15:42 <Ampera> seems like everything's going pretty well
15:48 <Ampera> ah, let me grabit
16:17 <Ampera> buh, my terminal emu is fucking up again
16:27 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net go to forums -> projects -> random recipes
16:34 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir, how could I measure that resistance ?
16:40 <Lemon> do I have to take out the meter again ?
16:42 <Ampera> read the one on the website first, get a good idea of what you're doing, and then there's a printout version
16:46 <Lemon> its kinda fragile
16:49 <Ampera> nothing is exact, be careful
16:50 <Nothing\> what's an NCV test?
16:58 <Ysjoelfir> @nothing\: they do strange things to current transformers of any kind. ^^ we sell those, too, so.... nice taking a look inside those from time to time
17:05 <Ysjoelfir> NVC test = non contact voltage
17:12 <Nothing\> ah okay
17:16 <Ysjoelfir> you hover the meter over a live wire and it beeps if there is voltage
17:19 <Ysjoelfir> thanks ampera :D
17:22 <Nothing\> just wondering cuz they had it for this clamp meter
17:25 <Ampera> I think I
17:32 <Ampera> might wipe and reinstall everything on this tablet
17:50 <Ampera> too lazy to figure out what's actually wrong
17:56 <Ysjoelfir> lemon: you should be able to measure it in voltage mode. sure, there will be the series resistance, but meh. either it is open or it shows some valie that should change in regards to the switch position
18:24 <Lemon> I probe the con and + jacks ?
18:28 <Lemon> com
18:28 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir: ah i used to do that with a darlington pair, wire a loop between C and B and it'll detect live voltage
18:40 <Ysjoelfir> xD I think it was a good advice you gave me, to not get a x86 tablet, ampera
18:43 <Ysjoelfir> lemon: si
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18:49 <Ampera> lol
19:06 <Ampera> I'd like a powerful ARM tablet that's Linux capable, they just don't really make them
19:13 <Lemon> 1,21m
19:16 <Lemon> ohms
19:24 <Lemon> on the 12VDC range
19:27 <Ampera> and that also means I throw out any hope of playing Steam games.
19:28 <Lemon> that seem to be high
19:31 <Ysjoelfir> mohm or Mohm?
19:44 <Ysjoelfir> steam on a tablet? Oo
19:54 <Lemon> Mohm sorry
20:10 <Lemon> wait no
20:16 <Lemon> its normal ? its 100k per ohm
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20:49 <Lemon> it shows approx 300k on the 3v range
20:50 <Lemon> so its normal
21:02 <Nothing\> lol i duntno about you guys, but i don't think this is something i'd wanna see when using my meter
21:03 <Nothing\> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H27d1920656954b69a71ceb493d607580A.jpg
21:39 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:39 <Nothing\> ads are so ridicilous sometimes
22:21 <Ysjoelfir> 100k per volt sounds good lemon. that would make the meter a 10µA meter, sounds plausible. Nothing\: definitely not oO lol...
22:39 <Ampera> I decided to stop being lazy and turned HexChat on
22:41 <Lemon> yes thats what is it supposed to be
22:48 <Lemon> what can I see next ?
22:52 <Lemon> im clueless really
23:01 <Ysjoelfir> do you have the schematic?
23:08 <Lemon> I looked at the needle, it looks fine
23:16 <Lemon> for the NS version I cant find it
23:25 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir: i was just talking about the sparks lol
23:31 <Nothing\> doesn't seem very safe
23:36 <Lemon> ha wait
23:36 <hsn993> /man 2 Ampera
23:44 <Ysjoelfir> I know, thats what I meant^^
23:45 <Lemon> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/468893/Triplett-630-Ns.html
24:27 <Ysjoelfir> thanks. I'll look into it soon. the gf wants to know what she should buy
24:36 <Lemon> sure thanks buddy
24:44 <Lemon> I really want to see this beautiful thing work
24:50 <Lemon> I just hope its not the meter movement
24:57 <Lemon> but hell if it moves, it should be good
25:09 <Lemon> if it was rattling or idk, id understand
25:15 <Ampera> hsn993, what?
25:39 <hsn993> looking for ampera manual
25:44 <MrMobodies> A little confused it partially works or doesn't work at all?
26:00 <MrMobodies> I mean the tripplet meter
26:12 <Nothing\> what google service can i use to upload something to be downloaded on another device
26:20 <Ampera> Nothing\, google drive
26:27 <Nothing\> ah thank you good sir
26:34 <Ampera> did you just assume my gender?
27:14 <hsn993> Ampera, me ?
27:23 <Ampera> hsn993, no, the other guy
28:03 <Lemon> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/468893/Triplett-630-Ns.html?page=30#manual
28:22 <Lemon> well
29:51 <MrMobodies> it has all the replacement parts on page 28
29:59 <Ysjoelfir> thats a freakin awful schematic...
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> did you try it on the amps range?
30:31 <Lemon> no just DC and ohms
30:45 <Lemon> I never tried measuring amps with anything
30:51 <Lemon> whats an easy test I can do ?
31:04 <MrMobodies> ahh so it does partially work but not according to seller
31:17 <Lemon> no ? :>
31:20 <Lemon> nothing works
31:28 <Lemon> amps I'd doubt it but I will try
31:34 <MrMobodies> oh sorry
31:37 <Lemon> I just dont know how to try it
31:41 <Lemon> dont be sorry lol :>
32:13 <MrMobodies> me, I would take a look at the caps in tere, apply abit of heat with a hair dryer
32:27 <MrMobodies> I know on televisions they turn on a bit
32:48 <MrMobodies> when they were heated up in the back
33:47 <MrMobodies> 2X .UF 400V and 1 25-280uf
34:49 <MrMobodies> or do you think that might no be good for the meter?
36:25 <Nothing\> Ampera: google drive worked a treat, thanks
36:41 <Nothing\> downloaded a clockwork orange and wanted to listen to it on my phone
38:48 <Lemon> when I measure the big 1uf cap
38:50 <Lemon> in ohms
38:56 <Lemon> I get around 1 ohm
39:06 <MrMobodies> so nothing wrong with the cap
39:13 <Lemon> yeah I think its fine
39:17 <Lemon> so to try amps
39:29 <Lemon> what can I do ? im not used to measure amps
40:31 <MrMobodies> on the meter or the power going to the meter?
40:47 <Lemon> hhmmm wait I measured the other cap
40:54 <Lemon> 400v something
41:00 <Lemon> it seems to be an open circuit
41:21 <Lemon> but this one
41:35 <Lemon> its between '
41:46 <Lemon> output and v/ohm/a
41:51 <Lemon> it shouldnt be a problem no ?
42:03 <MrMobodies> so it is drawing some power
42:03 <Ampera> Nothing\, are you allowed to own computers now?
42:56 <Ysjoelfir> wait. a cap with 1 ohm? thats pretty dead
43:01 <Ysjoelfir> at least if you measured it correctly
43:16 <Nothing\> Ampera: no, but my mom can
43:19 <Lemon> well I measured it with my dmm, to see if it was open or not
43:21 <Nothing\> so that's a nice technicality
43:24 <Lemon> and it reported 1 ohm something
43:46 <Lemon> its the 200v 1uf one
43:46 <Ampera> Nothing\, do you have to lapse your sentence or something?
44:01 <Nothing\> how do you mean?
44:11 <Ysjoelfir> did you desolder it lemon?
44:16 <Nothing\> everything's all in one straight shot, aside from the jail time
44:28 <Lemon> no I directly measured like this, I know its not the best, should I desolder it ?
44:44 <Ysjoelfir> sure. you will measure everything thats in parallel with that cap
45:00 <Nothing\> i do the 90 days of weekends, then 18 months of probation after that, then i'm done
45:08 <Ysjoelfir> where is that thing? can't find it on the schematics
45:25 <MrMobodies> 30 weekends?
45:32 <Ampera> Nothing\, as in when are you allowed to own computers again?
45:43 <Lemon> I cant find it either its so shitty
45:46 <Nothing\> 20 weekends, cuz each counts as 3 days
45:54 <Nothing\> Ampera: nah nothing like that
46:08 <MrMobodies> I see
46:24 <Nothing\> it sucks, but since my mom can own one, i can just use hers'
46:44 <Ampera> Nothing\, so you're permanently banished from owning a computer?
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46:58 <Nothing\> Ampera: until my sentence is up, yeah
47:03 <Lemon> ok i made space, im taking it ouy
47:03 <Nothing\> no computers for me
47:04 <Lemon> out
47:10 <Ampera> that's not permanent
47:11 <Nothing\> or mooching computers from others
47:14 <Nothing\> yup
47:15 <Lemon> I repeat, im taking the suspect out
47:23 <Nothing\> none of it's permanent
47:23 <Ampera> so when your sentence has lapsed you're fine
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47:30 <Nothing\> exactly
47:31 <Ampera> that's not that bad
47:37 <Nothing\> yeah not bad at all
47:46 <Nothing\> considering it's fucking sexual assault
47:55 <Lemon> its j-hooked I repeat its j-hooked
47:55 <Lemon> ffs
47:56 <Nothing\> i never shulda copped to that plea deal
48:02 <MrMobodies> its good you mom lets you use to talk here
48:07 <Nothing\> remember that guys, if you're ever charged with osemithng
48:23 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: oh yeah, she's been super supportive through the whole thing
48:37 <Ysjoelfir> xD
48:54 <MrMobodies> Lemon: J-hooked?
48:57 <Nothing\> she's the only friend or family i have, so i'm really grateful for her
49:25 <MrMobodies> that's is wonderful, prevents someone from getting lost in the world.
49:42 <Nothing\> exactly, you gotta have somebody to be there for you
49:49 <Nothing\> everyone needs somebody
50:04 <Nothing\> unfortunately not everyone's that lucky :/
50:36 <Nothing\> did i mention that a guy had to look at my butthole?
50:40 <Nothing\> lol
50:47 <MrMobodies> oh dear
51:01 <Nothing\> they even have this x-ray scarnner that looks at your insides lol
51:03 <Ysjoelfir> xD
51:12 <MrMobodies> for artifacts and packages
51:24 <Nothing\> yup
51:43 <MrMobodies> I think I read about them using it on officers leaving the prisons about 10 years ago in England
51:52 <MrMobodies> where they were caught smuggling in phones
51:54 <Lemon> ok its out
51:55 <Nothing\> ah yeah
52:16 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: yeah some guy smuggled a phone in here
52:23 <MrMobodies> I think it was a chair called "The Boss 2"
52:35 <MrMobodies> the one they used
52:40 <MrMobodies> in Pentonville
52:44 <Nothing\> https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-why-is-multiple-murder-suspect-dining-on-lobster-and-steak-in-jail
52:50 <Nothing\> lol
53:19 <Lemon> 1,2 ohm esr, 1,7uf, vloss=2,3%
53:28 <Lemon> according to the good ol 10 dollars component tester
53:39 <MrMobodies> https://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/beat-the-boss-uk-prisons-mobile-phone-epidemic/
53:50 <Lemon> sounds dead to you ? Ysjoelfir
53:59 <Ysjoelfir> aah, you measured with an esr meter? I thought you used a normal multimeter
54:04 <Ysjoelfir> nah, thats fine
54:07 <Lemon> no no
54:10 <Lemon> I did it now
54:14 <Lemon> first I did with a multimeter
54:22 <Lemon> I put the fucker back ?
54:32 <Nothing\> MrMobodies: lol yeah i dunno how you'd get one in there, you'd have to have help from a guard
54:32 <Ysjoelfir> ok.
54:55 <Ysjoelfir> but if the multimeter measured 1 ohm... there should be something parallel to that cap inside the meter
55:07 <Ysjoelfir> please measure where the cap is supposed to be, before resoldering it
55:08 <MrMobodies> but they had to scan the guards in England
55:20 <MrMobodies> going into the prisons and out again
56:04 <MrMobodies> going for some tea
56:04 <Lemon> 0,19Mohm
56:06 <Nothing\> prison guard would be a shitty job to have
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57:09 <Nothing\> i got that legend of zelda link's awakening for the switch
57:19 <Nothing\> it's a pretty difficult game, more than i expected
57:23 <Ysjoelfir> thats ok. back it goes
58:00 <Nothing\> actally i should see how much money i've got on my account
58:02 <Ampera> Nothing\, you put your life at extreme risk for less than no respect every day, and get paid borderline poverty
58:39 <Nothing\> do what now?
58:57 <Ampera> Nothing\, prison guards
59:06 <Nothing\> ah, yeah exactly
59:23 <Nothing\> though some of them get more respect than you'd think
59:37 <Nothing\> if they can hold their own they can earn their respect
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00:07 <Nothing\> but they're treated just like any other inmates
00:17 <Nothing\> ( by the inmates)
01:12 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir any idea of what next ? its back
02:30 <Ysjoelfir> switch that thing to amps range. start with the biggest. connect your voltmeter to the amps jacks. report the values while switching to smaller amps ranges and observe the meter movement
02:43 <Ysjoelfir> äh
02:49 <Ysjoelfir> voltmeter = resistance meter
03:24 <Lemon> ok doing it right now
05:52 <Lemon> 11 somethin on 0.2 amps
06:00 <Ysjoelfir> ohms?
06:14 <Ysjoelfir> and did the needle move?
06:15 <Lemon> yes but damn it jumps all over the place
06:31 <Lemon> as I switch to lowest one it seems to go up to kiloohms
06:38 <Lemon> but it jumps too much
07:10 <Lemon> and no meter movement at all
07:14 <Ysjoelfir> the kohms are expected. is is realy jumping or just climbing/falling in one direction?
07:53 <Lemon> climbing it looks like
08:13 <Ysjoelfir> thats good. if it moves just to one direction it is most probably a capacitor that is charging up
09:02 <Ysjoelfir> (I suspect C2, the one across the meter itself.)
09:11 <Lemon> ok so now its kinda steady
09:23 <Lemon> on 200ma, I get 1,6X ohms
09:37 <Lemon> moving a bit from 1.67 to1.50 to 1.7 etc
09:54 <Lemon> on 120ma, 3,5X ohms, kinda steady
10:02 <Lemon> 12ma, 26 ohms
10:16 <Lemon> 1,2 ma, 0,25kohms
10:30 <Lemon> 120 uamps, 2.58kohms
10:34 <Lemon> and its kinda steady
10:55 <Lemon> if I go on the 12 amp range
10:58 <Ysjoelfir> that looks quite good, we have a steady incline in resistance, getting a magnitude bigger the lower you go
10:59 <Lemon> changing jacks
11:03 <Lemon> it moves a lot
11:08 <Ysjoelfir> 12A range should be near 0
11:24 <Lemon> it jumps a lot
11:39 <Lemon> from a few ohms to hundreds, then to a few ohms
11:40 <Ysjoelfir> doesn't matter, the small range should be the one that is interesting
11:50 <Lemon> alright
12:21 <Ysjoelfir> so.... no movement whatsoever, not even at the 120uA range?
13:00 <Lemon> nothing
14:32 <Lemon> what next doc ?
14:34 <Ysjoelfir> ok. with the stuff you have and with the rather sad schematic I would now be brave and measure directly the resistance of the meters meter.just touching it shortly and see if it moves.
14:44 <Ysjoelfir> and: disconnecting one side
14:54 <Ysjoelfir> and disconnecting that C2 cap that is acros it
15:06 <Lemon> sooo
15:11 <Lemon> how can I do that ?
15:21 <Ysjoelfir> so: disconnect C2 (one side), disconnect the meter (one side) and touch it shortly with your resistance meter and see if it moves
15:37 <Lemon> C2 is the first one I removed ?
15:47 <Ysjoelfir> not sure, is it?
15:53 <Lemon> im kinda lost
15:58 <Lemon> i dont know what to look for
16:01 <Ysjoelfir> take a look at the schematics, it's directly across the meter movement
16:02 <Ysjoelfir> ok
16:06 <Ysjoelfir> lets go slowly
16:21 <Ysjoelfir> locate the meter movement :) take a pic of its backside and the connections please
16:42 <Lemon> I see two diodes and a cap
16:44 <Lemon> thats here ?
16:47 <Lemon> yes lemme do that
16:49 <Ysjoelfir> that looks right
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19:26 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/19xO2hd
19:28 <Lemon> I tried my best
19:37 <rc-work> Eh. And I already miss having a keyboard to smash on
19:53 <Lemon> so C2 seems to be the black cap, I removed and put back earlier
20:34 <Ysjoelfir> interestingly that cap is an order of magnitude bigger than what is written in the schematics. hm. however
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> we don't need that now. sadly I can't completely make out where the connections of the meter movement are.
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> I assume that screw where the cap is soldered onto is one of those
21:18 <Lemon> it seems they are right under
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21:33 <Lemon> I removed the front face earlier, to see
21:38 <Lemon> I can do it again
21:57 <Lemon> at that level I have nothing much to lose I think
22:04 <Ysjoelfir> is it very complicated? if yes, I would prefer to just desolder that cap
22:22 <rc-work> What are you messing with now?
22:27 <Lemon> no thats doable
22:29 <Lemon> lemme remove it
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> ok
22:34 <Lemon> we'll be able to see them
26:47 <rc-work> Are you making a parts collection?
30:03 <Lemon> im trying to fix a triplett 630
30:08 <Lemon> ok Ysjoelfir, its out
30:22 <Lemon> I can clearly see the two wires that connects to the meter
30:47 <Ysjoelfir> nice. pic?
32:04 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/19xO2hd
32:05 <Lemon> I added it
32:19 <Lemon> im holding my breath
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34:19 <Lemon> whats weird, is that the seller was saying it worked
34:56 <Ysjoelfir> so I assume the meter movement connects to the two contacts the cap is connected to?
35:30 <Ysjoelfir> no
35:33 <Ysjoelfir> wait.
35:38 <Lemon> it seems to be connected only to one pole of the cap
35:44 <Ysjoelfir> the middle one and the one where the cap DOESNt connect to
35:46 <Lemon> but theres a little component
36:15 <Ysjoelfir> thats odd, it shouldn't be like that. hm. ok, lets try the following: desolder one of the leads of the meter movement
36:19 <Lemon> so the middle one, on the other side, the cap is connected to it
36:28 <Lemon> no matter which one ?
36:33 <Ysjoelfir> yep
37:26 <Ysjoelfir> then: touch both leads of the movement with your resistance meter. just shortly. if it moves: very nice. if not: reverse polatiry, try again. if it moves now: very nice. if not: very bad
38:31 <Lemon> so ok I desoldered one
38:37 <Lemon> when you say both leads
38:42 <Lemon> one is still soldered right ?
38:51 <Ysjoelfir> jup
39:17 <Ysjoelfir> the movement is now floating since one side is disconnected. that ensures that you measure JUST the movement and nothing else that may be dodgy
39:58 <Lemon> nothing ;(
40:05 <Ysjoelfir> boty directions?
41:01 <Lemon> yep, tried to reverse probes etc
41:10 <Ysjoelfir> aah, damn. thats bad :(
41:11 <Lemon> no movement at all, its still bouncing around like it did
41:32 <Ysjoelfir> can you measure any resistance at all?
42:02 <Lemon> nope
42:05 <Lemon> seems open
42:06 <Ysjoelfir> arrrr
42:13 <Lemon> that means the coil is cut ?
42:25 <Lemon> but how could it happen seriously
42:28 <Lemon> during shipping ?
42:34 <Lemon> it was packed in bubble wrap correctly
42:50 <MrMobodies> I did wonder that too, I had that happen with a power supply once
43:07 <rc-work> Does it have anything between the movement "ground" to either connection?
43:13 <Ysjoelfir> ok... last chance before you reassemble it and either put it on a shelve for decoration or pack it nicely and send it over: take some close up pics of the movement.
44:00 <Ysjoelfir> It COULD happen while shipping. I had that several times. sometimes the meter even gets mechanically damaged if not shorted while shipping...
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48:00 <Ysjoelfir> He wasn't supposed to blow himself up, just to take pics oO
48:35 <rc-work> Oooh, I think i am loaded... Probably just the truck, but.... It is somerhing
48:41 <Ysjoelfir> ^^
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50:04 <Lemon> nice power surge
50:09 <Lemon> ok lemme upload
50:13 <Lemon> im on the verge to destroy something
50:22 <Ysjoelfir> Ah. And I thought you just blew yourself up oO
50:29 <Ysjoelfir> nah, don't do that
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> just shoot the shipping company in the face
51:00 <MrMobodies> it is snowing outside but I got to go shopping soon
51:09 <Lemon> no but the dying cat, poor thing shitting itself everywhere, fucking power surges, and the triplett grrrr
51:13 <Lemon> shitty day !
51:30 <MrMobodies> it's that storm from days ago
51:55 <MrMobodies> See you all later
52:01 <Ysjoelfir> :( I'm sorry lemon, doesn't seem to be your day today
52:06 <Ysjoelfir> Later MrMobodies
52:18 <MrMobodies> o I hope he fixes it or get a refund
52:36 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/19xO2hd
52:39 <MrMobodies> I thought it was going to be a nice little project but unfortunately
52:46 <Lemon> here are pictures
52:53 <Lemon> well I directly thought the meter was dead
52:58 <Lemon> insides looks really nice
53:09 <Lemon> and when its bumping around like that, it usually sucks
53:13 <MrMobodies> I see abit or corrosion but it looks worth fixing
53:38 <MrMobodies> Gotta go
53:46 <Lemon> see you bud
54:00 <Lemon> so what do I do, I don't even know if its possible to open those movements
56:09 <Lemon> looks possible
56:15 <Lemon> but even then, well it will be hard
56:23 <Ysjoelfir> hmmm... it does't seem to be obviously damaged. the hair thin wires going from the coul to the contacts seem to be ok, too. those are the most fragile since they are always under tension
56:42 <Lemon> yeah when I look at it i tseems fine
56:54 <Lemon> but its really bouncing around, like theres no contacts
57:07 <Lemon> it should go back to zero a lot faster no ?
58:01 <Ysjoelfir> not always. there are strongly dampened meters that move slow, as well as some that need to be in a specific orientation (like standing up) or they never return to 0
58:36 <Ysjoelfir> but I doubt it is something in the mechanics. it should be something on the mechanical side. a disconnected coil I guess.
59:25 <Ysjoelfir> if it is: with very much luck you may be able to repair it, but it fails most of the times
00:51 <coppice_> high sensitivity portable meters are usually very heavily damped, as they can be very fragile if they are not damped
01:05 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
01:32 <Ysjoelfir> those are the ones that you should never ship without being shorted
02:11 <coppice_> shorting an ammeter damps it heavily. a lot of multimeters used to have an "off" kind of selection, even though they have no power supply. That selection shorts the movement
02:34 <Lemon> yeah when on off it does nothing
02:44 <Lemon> so I'll go out with the dog
02:54 <Lemon> when I come back I'll open it and see
03:08 <coppice_> but they also have mechanical damping, so they aren't too fragile when moved while in use
03:11 <Lemon> if it fails I put back everything, ask the seller for something, and sell it 'as is'
03:31 <coppice_> especially the 50k ohm/volt and 100k ohm/volt multi-meters
05:07 <DHess_US> That is what that big capacitor is for, dampening.
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07:16 <Ysjoelfir> DHess_US I assume that, too, but.. 1µ? isn't that a bit on the big side? especially since the schematic says it should be .1
07:51 <DHess_US> The meter impedance is still pretty low.
07:55 <DHess_US> So the capacitance has to be high.
08:11 <Lemon> theres a .1uf one and a 1uf
08:49 <DHess_US> I was going to suggest checking to see if the dampening capacitor was shorted but apparently you found the problem.
08:51 <Lemon> I think I saw how to open it
08:57 <Lemon> ho we didnt
09:01 <Lemon> if you have any idea
09:08 <Lemon> we are just suggesting a coil is disconnected
09:18 <Lemon> the capacitor seems to be fine when tester with an esr meter
09:34 <DHess_US> A shorted capacitor has great ESR.
09:36 <Lemon> but when I apply a small voltage with the resistance meter to the movement, it doesnt move
09:52 <coppice_> depends how well you short it
09:53 <Lemon> yeah but if it was shorted, when measured with a resistance meter
09:59 <Lemon> it should show OL no ?
10:11 <Ysjoelfir> no, it would show 0 when shorted
10:14 <DHess_US> If the capacitor is shorted, then it would measure 0 ohms.
10:15 <Ysjoelfir> or close to
10:17 <Lemon> ha yes
10:21 <Lemon> im dumb
10:23 <Lemon> well it doesnt
10:28 <Lemon> so I guess the capacitor is fine
10:40 <Lemon> I tried simulating both batteries, its supposed to be two 1.5v
10:44 <Lemon> with my supply
10:47 <Lemon> no chance either on that part
11:06 <Lemon> so narrowing it down, its the meter, I guess ?
11:13 <Lemon> have you even openned one Ysjoelfir ?
11:25 <DHess_US> The batteries are only needed for the ohms range.
11:35 <Ysjoelfir> an analog meter movement? sure. and not only one...
11:40 <Lemon> ho yes I now
12:01 <Lemon> ever fixed one ?
12:10 <Lemon> like, you think I got my chances on this one ?
12:19 <Lemon> thats really weird that shipping did that honestly
12:32 <Ysjoelfir> twice actually. but thats around 10 or 20% of success rate
12:42 <DHess_US> Those meters are pretty delicate.
13:04 <Ysjoelfir> the wires are sometimes thinner than a hair
13:10 <Ysjoelfir> you touch them and they break
15:01 <Ysjoelfir> so guys, I'm leaving. If I stay 5 more minutes I would have to donate 15 minutes of worktime to the boss :D
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59:15 <Lemon> time to open the movement and pray
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19:33 <Lemon> well I openned it as far as I could
19:58 <Lemon> I dont see anything wrong, I see a tiny tiny wire that is still attached, from the coil side its hard to see but it seems good too
20:00 <Lemon> so idk really
20:36 <Lemon> im putting everything back and screw it
22:21 <DHess_US> If the resistance test says it is open, then it is open. Not much to do after that.
22:56 <Lemon> I really have a hard time believing shipping did that
23:07 <Lemon> it was well packed, and the dude keep saying me it was fine
29:24 <Lemon> well, I paid a total of 50 euros for it
29:36 <Lemon> I asked the guy for 30 euros, he directly send me 35 euros
29:47 <Lemon> and said 'destroy the meter, its not worth for me to return it'
29:50 <Lemon> I guess thats alright :>
29:59 <Lemon> it still piss me through but well
30:03 <Lemon> better than nothing
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14:08 <DHess_US> Very cool. I never knew someone made tiny induction heaters, https://www.theinductor.com/induction-heater-tools/mini-ductor/models
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20:51 <K> hehe, does look nice
21:38 <K> 500$ though
36:36 <Lemon> can someone explains to me what is exactly a waveform monitor ?
39:44 <Lemon> ok I think I get it
39:46 <DHess_US> It's just a simplified oscilloscope for monitoring a waveform.
39:54 <Lemon> def not useful for electronics I guess no ?
40:10 <Lemon> I see people using them in photo/video
40:11 <DHess_US> They make good X-Y monitors if you have a use for one.
40:31 <Lemon> I think my 2245a got a XY mode
40:36 <Lemon> I dont really need one no ?
40:38 <DHess_US> Like if you want to monitor somethign without dedicating your oscilloscope to it.
40:48 <DHess_US> So you don't need.
41:03 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/1062160067.htm/ because I saw this, and I saw it selling for several hundreds on ebay
43:20 <DHess_US> http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/WFM300
43:36 <DHess_US> That one is specialized for monitoring component video.
43:57 <Lemon> I was reading that just now lol yeah not really interesting for me
44:00 <Lemon> still a low price tho !
44:24 <DHess_US> It's the kind of think you might see at a television production studio in the past.
44:43 <DHess_US> Essentially it is an oscilloscope specialized for monitoring component video.
44:55 <Lemon> thats pretty interesting, never saw that before
45:22 <Lemon> ho while i'm at it
45:33 <Lemon> I wanted something to measure temperature accuratly
45:42 <Lemon> and I came upon a fluke module
45:55 <Lemon> a 80tk
46:33 <Lemon> but I can't find if it works on any dmm, or only on flukes
46:41 <Lemon> I can buy one for 20 euros, 25 with shipping
47:41 <DHess_US> I have a bunch of those. They work on any DMM which has standard 3/4" banana jack spacing.
47:57 <Lemon> ho ok thanks ! are they accurate ?
48:16 <DHess_US> Check that manual. Within say 2 degrees over a reasonable range.
48:23 <DHess_US> thermocouples aren't that accurate normally.
48:28 <Lemon> arf yeah
48:50 <DHess_US> Generally better than a mechanical thermometer. I've used mine for cooking before.
48:53 <Lemon> not that good for me then
49:18 <DHess_US> If you want accuracy, then you need to get a 3 or 4 wire platinum RTD.
49:20 <Lemon> id like one that lets say, if I measure something that is 30 degrees, I want it to stay between 29.9 or 30.1
49:30 <DHess_US> They aren't that good.
49:40 <DHess_US> I mean, thermocouples aren't that good.
49:55 <Lemon> what about infrared ones ?
50:00 <DHess_US> No
50:18 <Lemon> even for 0.1+- ?
50:21 <Lemon> hmm
52:59 <DHess_US> Off by 10 for a thermocouple
53:10 <Lemon> ho wow
53:13 <DHess_US> One problem with thermocouples is that they rely on *two* temperature measurements.
53:30 <DHess_US> You need an RTD meter for better accuracy, https://www.amazon.com/Amprobe-RTD-10W-Wireless-Digital-Thermometer/dp/B004U1LXKG/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=rtd+thermometer&qid=1581360718&s=industrial&sr=1-4
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55:04 <Lemon> ho ok thanks, im going to read about them !
55:47 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir, end of the story : I openned as far as I could, couldnt see a broken wire, put back everything, seller refunded me what I paid minus shipping, so I got 35 euros back out of the 50, and I keep it
56:27 <DHess_US> Some high resolution multimeters support measuring RTD sensors directly in 4-wire ohms mode.
56:45 <Lemon> im trying to see if the fluke 8502a do it
59:11 <Ysjoelfir> hi lemon, nice to hear that.
59:33 <Lemon> better than nothing, in the end I paid 15 euros for a triplett for parts !
59:48 <Lemon> im still a bit sad it doesnt work, I really dont see why
59:59 <Lemon> the meter movement could not be openned by a lot
00:02 <DHess_US> Lemon, you might do better for RTD measurement to *make* an RTD to multimeter adapter.
03:26 <Lemon> hmm im not finding a lot of things about that
04:07 <Ysjoelfir> RTD?
04:59 <Lemon> I was looking for a precise way to measure temperature
05:04 <DHess_US> +/-0.005C from -50 to +150C, https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/lt1236.pdf
05:12 <Lemon> but its not a real need, only if I come upon something decently priced
06:55 <Lemon> a voltage reference ?
07:09 <DHess_US> +/-0.05C from 0 to 400C, https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/10513fa.pdf
07:16 <DHess_US> Check the applications at the back.
08:04 <Lemon> im pretty interested by making a voltage reference
10:02 <Lemon> hmmm the circuit doesnt look complicated
11:26 <DHess_US> The calibration requirement is pretty strict though. It will only be as good as your calibration source.
11:55 <Lemon> lets say, a 6.5 digit dmm decently calibrated ? :>
12:18 <Lemon> I mean if its precise to 0.01 instead of 0.005, or even 0.05 im fine
12:29 <DHess_US> Another simple one, https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/LT1001.pdf
12:56 <DHess_US> But for a three temperature calibration, you need a precision temperature source.
13:21 <DHess_US> These things are good enough that you need to calibrate your ice water bath and boiling water bath for atmospheric pressure.
13:42 <DHess_US> So what you really want is a two temperature linearized platinum RTD circuit.
18:53 <Lemon> well I will see what pops on second hand offers ! I have many things I want to build :>
19:10 <Lemon> I really need to find cables
19:20 <Lemon> like, banana stackable ones, crocodile etc
38:57 <Ysjoelfir> did you find anything you like on that link i gave you for the banana stuff?
53:32 * rust_collector is BACK! you should have killed me yesterday...
54:27 * Ysjoelfir tries to kill rust_collector
54:53 <rust_collector> HA HA HA HA HAAA! good try human
59:18 <rust_collector> this was an interesting day. we have a bit of a flood here, so most of the city I was delivering in was closed. which is not ideal, when you are delivering fish, to a store by the water
01:23 <rust_collector> up north, the air pressure is so low, that they have canceled all flights. That is something I have not heard of before
01:55 <Ysjoelfir> so sabine has reched you?
02:29 <rust_collector> well, no. probably yes, but they used a different name
03:00 <rust_collector> elsa
03:30 <Ysjoelfir> realy? :D lol.
04:29 <rust_collector> but I thought it was interesting that the planes could not be used. It is just the smaller ones, but still. They are known to go "always"
05:07 <Ysjoelfir> i didn't even know that could happen
05:30 <coppice_> rust_collector: it should only cause problems at airports with short runways
06:02 <rust_collector> it had something to do with them having to enter air pressure, before they land, because of somethingsomething, but the devices only go down so far
06:18 <rust_collector> coppice_, yes, that is what up north means, pretty much
06:32 <rust_collector> but it is still a bit odd, imo
06:52 <coppice_> rust_collector: why would runways be shorter in the north?
07:33 <rust_collector> because no one wants to pay to make them longer up there, because there are 3 people who might use it in a year
08:09 <rust_collector> ok, so all 3 of them use them a lot, but
08:11 <coppice_> low air pressure cause major problems for helicoptors in mountainous areas
08:35 <rust_collector> ok, do you know what happens to them?
09:47 <coppice_> If you fly up to the maximum height you can manage in the warmer afternoon, the next morning you need to be extremely careful as you approch a drop or you might drop with it
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20:47 <rust_collector> hmm, so it is a more physical thing, not just some messed up instrumentation
26:53 <coppice_> that's why I said about short runways. a fixed wing plane needs a longer run to take off
35:37 <Lemon> I found some pomona stackable leads for 10 euros a pair
35:46 <Lemon> 40cm or something, which is fine
35:59 <Lemon> I think Iwont find cheaper with decent quality
36:53 <Lemon> or I can go for 60cm
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39:05 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Pomona-Electronics/6754?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv8kklI404Qlee2My9jMqoB also with that kind of adapter, I can connect my waveform generator to my scope and counter, without losses/impedance issues ?
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18:49 <rust_collector> hmm, kid got his confuser back. they replaced the cooler...
19:51 <Lemon> confuser ?
20:20 <rust_collector> those things they play games on now
20:35 <Lemon> ho ok
20:38 <Lemon> lol nice name
21:01 <Lemon> why those nice crocodile clips cost that much seriously
21:09 <Lemon> 5.56 euros a piece :(
21:16 <rust_collector> because they are nice?
21:31 <Lemon> so if I get 4 pairs of 60cm banana stackable cable, + 2 pairs of croc clips
21:35 <Lemon> thats 66 euros total
21:58 <rust_collector> meh, you are rolling ok now, just get some before you crash
22:16 <rust_collector> they will last a long time
22:26 <Lemon> well no infact I have no stackable cables, and the only croc I have are shit
22:32 <Lemon> but yeah, they will last you are right
22:51 <Lemon> I like the fact that I can turn a regular banana to banana/croc
23:01 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/548-BU-65-0
23:08 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/565-B24-0
23:13 <Lemon> heres what I was looking at
23:21 <Lemon> it seems to be the cheapest while being quality I can get
23:42 <rust_collector> just do it
24:04 <Lemon> I think that will be enough for now, maybe if I feel the need later I'll get more
24:09 <Lemon> they arent even silicone at that price
24:36 <Lemon> Polypropylene
24:43 <Lemon> idk if thats stiff or not compared to pvc
25:12 <rust_collector> hmm, I would say it is about the same. both materials have so many different "grades"
25:35 <rust_collector> polypropylene is the stuff in plastic bottles and such
25:50 <Lemon> hard to say if it will be fine or not
25:59 <rust_collector> it will be fine
26:08 <rust_collector> nah, that was not so hard
26:29 <Lemon> pomona seems to be a nice brand
26:39 <Lemon> those crocs are mueller, and I have some mueller probes
26:41 <Lemon> they are great
27:59 <Lemon> its hard to size what I will need
28:20 <Lemon> im trying to see : one cable that goes from a dmm to the supply, one from supply to test circuit
28:29 <Lemon> maybe another cable to another dmm
28:57 <rust_collector> yes, so just get 4 of each colour, and start saving up for the next 10 you will need later
28:58 <Lemon> yeah 4 cables with two crocs to plug on seems fine
29:22 <Lemon> 66 euros is steep for cables, when you know what I bought for that money
29:37 <rust_collector> who said cables were cheap?
29:43 <Lemon> I paid 16 euros for a nice HB multavi 5, 58 for a lcr meter etc
29:51 <Lemon> they are fucking cablesssss it reminds me audio !
29:58 <Lemon> with those peeps burning 3k on iem cables
30:02 <rust_collector> yeah, but only you want those, lots of people want cables
30:11 <Lemon> as long as isolant is fine, and its conducting
30:13 <Lemon> thats good
30:31 <rust_collector> yeah, and if you get good ones, you will get that
30:35 <Lemon> im sure those cables cost what, 5 cents a piece to produce ?
31:03 <rust_collector> sure, are you going to central african republic to pick them up?
31:03 <Lemon> ho btw you read about the triplett 630 I got today ?
31:12 <rust_collector> yeah, a bit
31:23 <Lemon> no thats why I accept to pay abit more but damn, 100 times more
31:30 <Lemon> the dude refunded me a bit
31:37 <Lemon> 35 euros, out of the total 50
31:44 <Lemon> thats a nice consolation at least, even if im sad about it
32:34 <Lemon> it will pay for half cables lol
32:42 <Lemon> but yeah after all
32:54 <Lemon> its a necessary part, even more necessary than what I tend to buy
33:34 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
33:37 <rust_collector> go go go
34:29 <rust_collector> 4 red, 4 black, 3 short yellow, and a very long pink
34:43 <Lemon> pfffrtt
35:00 <Lemon> that will be 4 reds, 4 black, 2 red croc and 2 black croc
35:09 <Lemon> and they better last a lifetime
35:21 <rust_collector> they will last their lifetime
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37:10 <rust_collector> it is a start. you will probably get more some time
37:40 <Lemon> yeah well, we are starting to see the limit of the budget I wanted to allocate to begin, and honestly, when I look at the lab
37:49 <Lemon> im quite happy and cant wait to tackle on some projects
38:15 <Lemon> I started reading the art of electronics in pdf, as the book cost a ton
38:16 <rust_collector> I can't wait to see you do something with all that stuff too
38:23 <Lemon> hehe !!
38:29 <Lemon> if you have some neat ideas
38:38 <Lemon> id like to build tools, I like this idea
38:51 <rust_collector> yeah, that is a problem
38:52 <Lemon> building to build is fun, but building tools you'll use later is really fun
39:45 <rust_collector> sure it is a hobby and all, but making hobby things, to expand your hobby will probably take over...all your everything
40:11 <Lemon> you know this hobby, I want it to become my work
40:27 <Lemon> im trying to find a school, but while I dont study, I do it at home
40:53 <rust_collector> yes. so try to something "work" related as a project, I think?
41:22 <Lemon> hmmmm you got something in mind ?
41:27 <rust_collector> I mean, I am all for building a signal thingie, so you have a use for your o-scope, but...
41:47 <rust_collector> no, it depends on what kind of work you are interested in,
42:04 <rust_collector> and I am a total retard, so don't ask me about stuff
42:50 <rust_collector> I can blow stuff up, and make holes in the ground. Uhm, feed cows, and eat cows
43:15 <Lemon> pff you are far from being a retard trust me
43:33 <Lemon> I worked with retarded kids, well, disabled and retarded too
44:03 <rust_collector> you know, if you have a part of "electronics" you are more interested in, and you seriously think you can ge a job doing it, you probably should do some project related to that, no?
44:34 <rust_collector> I work for the postal service... I know retarded
44:50 <Lemon> ho I see what you think
45:04 <Lemon> well I was more saying, building a tool that would avoid me paying for it
45:11 <Lemon> like a resistor decade box, a voltage reference, etc
47:33 <rust_collector> sure.
47:44 <rust_collector> if you think you have a use for those
47:52 <Lemon> ho sure
48:05 <Lemon> I bought one of those jumper decade boxes for 5 bucks
48:10 <Lemon> until I build a nice one
48:29 <Lemon> its useful to test some shit, instead of putting tons of resistors in series/parralel
49:26 <rust_collector> how about a box with a chunky pot? for quick and quick resistor
50:08 <Lemon> and you put a dmm to read it ? instead of like 7 decades going up to 10 each
50:21 <Lemon> I thought about it
50:38 <Lemon> that could be better in fact
50:56 <Lemon> even more precise
51:26 <rust_collector> but you might bump it and toast your thingie. there are probably uses for both styles
51:30 <Lemon> lets say one + a fine tune one
52:20 <Lemon> id like to build a curve tracer too
52:25 <rust_collector> hmm, you keep mentioning high voltage things, do you have stuff to stay safe-ish?
52:25 <Lemon> well, a module that goes with the scope
52:38 <Lemon> high voltage?
52:43 <rust_collector> yes
52:44 <Lemon> ho I dont play with high voltage really
53:26 <Lemon> you mean the wattmeter that goes up to 20kw ?
53:27 <rust_collector> no, but you keep nagging about "goes to 6kv" or "at least a couple kv" so... I guessed you had some interest
53:34 <Lemon> haa yes
53:37 <Lemon> I see
53:50 <Lemon> well, its more to know that I can measure something that high, if I were to have a need for
53:55 <Lemon> who can do more can do less
54:14 <Lemon> but no, I rarely will have a use for more than a few tens of volts :>
54:23 <Lemon> my supply gives 32v max, 2,2 amps
54:38 <rust_collector> there is plenty more in your wall
54:45 <Lemon> dont tempt me
54:47 <Lemon> haha
55:01 <Lemon> I want to learn and master basic passive components
55:06 <Lemon> its harder than it looks
55:26 <Lemon> we tend to think we know everything about them, but people went to space with transistors and the equivalent of 4kb of memory
55:37 <Lemon> made of wire and tiny connections handmade
55:50 <Lemon> sure micro controllers are all fun and games
56:06 <Lemon> but making something with just passive components, and the occasionnal ic is a lot of fun
56:09 <Lemon> and teaches a lot
56:32 <rust_collector> that is not really that impressive. BUT they could actually talk to the people on the moon, and these days, they can not make a fucking bluetooth thingie that can reliably connect my phone to the handsfree
56:45 <rust_collector> that is half a meter away!
56:55 <Lemon> hahaha thats true !
57:03 <Lemon> I got a little dap that I really like, the shanling m0
57:11 <Lemon> I think it got aptx hd
57:16 <Lemon> and ldac
57:18 <rust_collector> eh?
57:25 <Lemon> it worked really well when I used it in bluetooth
57:33 <Lemon> never a drop, loss of quality etc
58:54 <rust_collector> I like how new cars have usb. I can just ploink in my music stick
58:55 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Connection closed
59:02 <rust_collector> quitter
59:06 <Lemon> booohh
59:43 <rust_collector> hmm, why is my google thing set to "bork" language?
00:05 <rust_collector> it is not too bad. it could explain some of my issues
00:45 <rust_collector> hmm, that looks like a neat enough "mp3 player"
00:59 <rust_collector> I could lose that any time
02:52 <Lemon> bork language :>
02:56 <Lemon> yeah its tiny
03:23 <Lemon> really cute and the sound is actually almost impossible to differentiate from a source that cost a good 5 hundred more, even more I think
03:33 <Lemon> yes, ive been in the hifi rabbit hole
03:42 <Lemon> I somehow climbed back up
03:52 <Lemon> the conclusion is
04:01 <Lemon> a ton of bullshit
04:16 <rust_collector> but as long as it is loud, that is ok
04:22 <Lemon> exactly
05:00 <rust_collector> heh, large clive is trying to stream videos again, again. he is going for part 3 now
05:17 <Lemon> I dont know large clive
05:55 <rust_collector> he is a scottish bear
06:19 <Ampera> large clive chungus?
06:24 <Ampera> I know him
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16:56 <rust_collector> ok, time for my nap. good night
17:06 <Lemon> night dude im going to soon
17:08 <Lemon> too
17:27 <rust_collector> did you order your cables?
17:35 <Lemon> yeah I was about to do so
17:39 <Lemon> im reading some stuff on pomona
17:43 <Lemon> but it seems to be good stuff
18:15 <rust_collector> yea sure. but it just has to have a good connection and stuff, right?
18:28 <Lemon> yeah totally
18:33 <Lemon> and low impedance too
18:50 <Lemon> i'll be able to measure it with the lcr meter
18:53 <rust_collector> so you could just melt a silver bar to the shape you need
18:55 <Lemon> it goes down to 0.0001 I think
19:08 <Lemon> you awoke
19:10 <rust_collector> have fun
19:14 <Lemon> bye dude
19:18 <rust_collector> gnight
50:58 <Lemon> dammit it was without tva
51:03 <Lemon> thats 80 euros total...
55:18 <steve30> o/
55:30 <Lemon> for 4 pairs of cables, thats steep
56:14 <Lemon> decent quality test cables really cost that much ?
56:18 <Lemon> I mean, ok they are pomona
56:22 <Lemon> but they dont look that special
01:26 <Lemon> fuck it im not spending that much on cables
07:10 <Lemon> http://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32947834155.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.ed8578bcLId2Yj&algo_pvid=0d43901c-c093-4b03-a583-141b67d3a20d&algo_expid=0d43901c-c093-4b03-a583-141b67d3a20d-32&btsid=ad4e5b75-556a-4c66-b334-3f7d3adace4f&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2,searchweb201603_55
07:19 <Lemon> this will be perfectly fine even if it takes a month to come here
14:24 <Lemon> 30 euros for 10 pairs of cables + 4 pairs of croc ones
14:29 <Lemon> thats better
25:17 <Lemon> upps 5 pairs of cables +5 pairs of cro for 21.5
25:18 <Lemon> perfect
26:24 <Lemon> 22,32 total, with a 6th pair of croc, in case on die :>
26:26 <Lemon> one
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27:21 <Lemon> now we play the waiting game ! im going to sleep bye peeps
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23:49 <Halcyon_Work> Hey Ampera, you around?
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37:07 <steve30> ooh, a halcyon
43:17 <Halcyon_Work> Hey Steve :)
43:35 <Halcyon_Work> You don't happen to know assembly code would you ? :P
44:07 <steve30> very little
50:24 * steve30 hugs Halcyon_Work 
51:23 <Halcyon_Work> Thanks :)
51:26 <Halcyon_Work> My head hurts
55:52 <steve30> its cold here
55:57 <steve30> I have my hat, scarf and blanket on
59:20 <Halcyon_Work> Nawww
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01:05 <steve30> I might turn the central heating up a smidgen
02:50 <Halcyon_Work> Heh
06:00 * T3sl4 hugs the channel
06:12 <Halcyon_Work> Hey T3sl4
06:35 * T3sl4 disassembles Halcyon_Work
06:51 <Halcyon_Work> This is hard
07:12 <steve30> LDA 0xC0FFEE
07:28 <Halcyon_Work> Hah
07:36 <T3sl4> that's going to take a wider accumulator than a 6502
07:37 <Halcyon_Work> Not enough bytes :P
08:09 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a hydraulic accumulator, often known as a coffee mug
08:12 <Halcyon_Work> Actually, I might go make a coffee
10:01 * steve30 curls up around Halcyon_Work's coffee cup for warmth :D
10:06 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:30 <Halcyon_Work> Hey MrMobodies
10:42 <MrMobodies> I have just discovered that I only need one meal a day and I must less
11:04 <MrMobodies> I am getting overweight fast, become very thin and put it back on quick
11:19 <MrMobodies> I don't do a lot of exercise or such like I use to
11:54 <MrMobodies> I have the urge to eat but not this time I am going to resist it
12:34 <MrMobodies> For the whole day I had, fish, a few oven cooked chips and the chilli sauce mackerel to spice it up
12:44 <MrMobodies> and a pack a crisps down the pub
13:38 <MrMobodies> I get addicted to things easily
14:42 <MrMobodies> I have a dilemma
15:24 <MrMobodies> I want BT to run me a new cable to the manhole cover outside which is about 3m into the premises
15:35 <MrMobodies> It is mud out there with stones so it should be easy to do
15:45 <MrMobodies> My ISP does not know the order code for it
15:58 <MrMobodies> and BT Openreach tell me to go back to ISP
16:32 <MrMobodies> they said can extend from the original socket but I can do that myself if I wanted to do.
16:45 * T3sl4 hands MrMobodies a crisp chilled ale
17:15 <MrMobodies> I see, that what was missing with my dinner, the ale
18:14 <MrMobodies> I am just thinking of running some trunking, shield it, ground it and put the cables through and patch them on a connection box.
18:51 <T3sl4> seems like i can survive just fine on a relatively large meal, and having a little sugar as a coffee or tea or beer when i get hungry again
19:10 <MrMobodies> I use to be able to eat a lot
19:22 <MrMobodies> now I feel bloated after that oh and the fruits
19:33 * steve30 eats a lot
19:38 <MrMobodies> but I did a lot of work many years ago when I did have work
20:03 <MrMobodies> I don't miss sandwiches from the shops anymore
20:16 <MrMobodies> not after they put, reformed meat, pork belly and palm oil in it
20:51 <MrMobodies> the wind is still going strong out there
23:50 <MrMobodies> I wanted to make it so if there is a fault, the wire can be seen through the wall and the sockets are easy to get to
24:29 <MrMobodies> the problem I have to remove all the furniture for the engineers to get to the boxes near the ground and blame the wire coming into the house
25:13 <T3sl4> if you replace the fuses with slugs, you can do that
25:35 <MrMobodies> I am just thinking of moving the modems, patching it through the trunking and then I can make a start on the woodwork
26:25 <MrMobodies> I already ordered 3m 600cm 18mm wood and it cost me £71 this time
26:50 <MrMobodies> I looked everywhere and they seem to sell 2.4m
26:56 <MrMobodies> pine wood I mean
29:12 * T3sl4 offers MrMobodies a can of oil-based paint
29:25 <MrMobodies> I see a Corona virus video from Thunderf00t
29:41 <MrMobodies> my pine is very dry
30:11 * steve30 passes MrMobodies some corona viruses
30:22 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5-xFenaZI
31:08 <MrMobodies> like the musical
39:23 <DHess_US> Huh, found an intentional bug in Windows 10.
39:52 <DHess_US> If you have a 4k sector volume, MBR partitions do not support larger than 2TB volumes.
40:19 <DHess_US> XP supports 16TB.
41:13 <MrMobodies> but problems in Windows 10 reading it?
41:40 <DHess_US> Nope, it works, but Windows 10 won't let you create a volume greater than 2TB.
42:00 <DHess_US> I mean I assume it works. I'm not sure becuase I would have to use XP to create the volume.
42:08 <DHess_US> Maybe Windows 10 can't read it either.
42:18 <MrMobodies> I see, I think I came across that before
42:31 <DHess_US> 512 byte sector MBR partitions are limited to 2TB on any system.
42:32 <MrMobodies> Someone brought a 3tb drive but they found they only partition 2tb for some reason
42:37 <DHess_US> Right.
42:55 <Halcyon_Work> You are formatting it at NTFS or exFAT right? Not FAT32
43:00 <DHess_US> But if you translate the 512B sectors to 4k on the controller, then XP allows 16TB volumes.
43:01 <MrMobodies> I have a 6tb I'll take a loot now
43:08 <MrMobodies> no ntfs
43:22 <DHess_US> The MBR counts *sectors* and not size.
43:48 <DHess_US> So multiplying the sector size by 8 multiplies the 2TB limit to 16TB ... in XP.
44:05 <MrMobodies> Oh go to a high sector size
44:18 <Halcyon_Work> From Microsoft: "The 2-TB barrier is the result of this 32-bit limitation. Because the maximum number that can be represented by using 32-bits is 4,294,967,295, this translates to 2.199 TB of capacity by using 512-byte sectors (approximately 2.2 TB). Therefore, a capacity beyond 2.2 TB is not addressable by using the MBR partitioning scheme."
44:23 <T3sl4> steve30: impressive https://i.imgur.com/yYeR4md.jpg
44:35 <DHess_US> Halcyon_Work, right, but this is 4k sectors.
45:01 <Halcyon_Work> The physical sector size might be 4K but is it emulating 512 byte sectors?
45:08 <Halcyon_Work> Many drives do
45:14 <DHess_US> Halcyon_Work, no.
45:16 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Sector : 4096
45:16 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Physical Sector : 4096
45:16 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Cluster : 4096
45:25 <Halcyon_Work> Then *shrug*
45:26 <DHess_US> This is *translated* by the controller.
45:54 <DHess_US> The controller I am using has a mode where it translates any disk to 4k sectors so that XP can support 16TB partitions.
46:47 <MrMobodies> oh
47:24 <MrMobodies> Bytes per sector 512, bytes per cluster 1024, bytes per filerecord segment 1024
47:43 <MrMobodies> that can't be right it is formatted to 6tb to one volume
48:02 <DHess_US> native 512 disks return:
48:02 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Sector : 512
48:03 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Physical Sector : 512
48:03 <DHess_US> Bytes Per Cluster : 4096
48:23 <DHess_US> I don't have any advanced format drives on this machine.
48:40 <DHess_US> But they would show 4096 for the second number but 512 for hte first.
48:44 <MrMobodies> I think this one says "AF"
48:46 <DHess_US> I think
49:11 <DHess_US> Anyway, at the very least it is a bug in Windows 10.
49:22 <MrMobodies> and can be fixed
49:33 <DHess_US> Possibly it will recognize a 16TB volume if that volume already exists.
49:34 <MrMobodies> but if the partition was there before
49:41 <DHess_US> Dunno, it might not.
49:58 <MrMobodies> Later, I'll plug it into a Windows 10 and see what it does
50:05 <DHess_US> What I do know is that Windows 10 does not support 4k drives with MBR properly.
50:06 <MrMobodies> I only use it to store disc images
50:28 <MrMobodies> It is on MBR this one
50:28 <DHess_US> I mean *real* 4k drives and not the ones which look like 512 drives.
50:45 <MrMobodies> So this "advanced format" one isn't a true 4K drive
51:07 <DHess_US> It has 4k physical sectors but translates them to 512
51:19 <DHess_US> So it looks like a 512 drive. Most newer drives work that way.
51:28 <MrMobodies> I see
52:10 <DHess_US> I want to know because when I install Windows 10 on my workstation, I want a large volume which XP and 10 can both see. Apparently that might not be possible.
52:14 <steve30> T3sl4, yay, i'm fast
52:30 * T3sl4 compares timestamps, ponders this
52:43 <steve30> i was making food
53:07 <MrMobodies> unless they fix the issue in WIwndows 10
53:18 <MrMobodies> I found I cannot delete Windows 10 files when it is a GPT partition
53:21 <DHess_US> It won't be fixed.
53:37 <MrMobodies> when I convert it to MBR without "cleaning" I find I can do that without a problem
53:49 <DHess_US> Windows 10 has bugs which have existed for 10+ years. They will never be fixed.
53:50 <MrMobodies> and after I convert it back
53:59 <MrMobodies> nothing is perfect
54:17 <MrMobodies> but I try to make it as ideal for myself
54:22 <DHess_US> Yes, but Microsoft just says, "Fuck you. Pay us." When you notify them.
55:04 <MrMobodies> and I say to them, "I'll choose what updates I want, my stuff... go away"
55:13 <DHess_US> 20+ years ago I found a memory leak in the Windows 2000 IP stack. Microsoft never fixed it. They told us to install more memory so that we didn't have to reboot as often.
55:48 <MrMobodies> I remember sometimes it took ages for the network adapters to appear
55:59 <MrMobodies> and it was intermittent
56:27 <MrMobodies> on bootup I mean
57:29 <MrMobodies> In 2001, I went down the bootsale, and they were selling Windows 2000 server for £1 with all the same serial keys on the back.
57:51 <MrMobodies> no service pack
58:00 <steve30> hehe
59:01 <MrMobodies> I remembered at one time, plug in a megaraid controller, and it picked up the Qlogic scsi chips separately before the controller.
59:12 <steve30> These days, when its windy, I always worry that its going to affect my solar panels on my roof
59:13 <MrMobodies> so it use to sent a reset command and go ina loop durin
59:26 <MrMobodies> it is windy here
59:36 <MrMobodies> do you have netting?
59:43 <MrMobodies> for like pigeons?
59:47 <steve30> no
59:53 <MrMobodies> I'd be more worried about that
00:02 <MrMobodies> it ruined my life for a couple of years
00:15 <MrMobodies> the noise woke me up, finding someone was difficult whod do the job right
00:23 <MrMobodies> and I had a mite infestation
00:39 <MrMobodies> they drove me mad for a whole year and i couldn't get any sleep
01:09 <MrMobodies> I use to open the skylight window, bang on the opens and used the SuperSoaker on them and they'd come back in the early hours of the morning
01:33 <MrMobodies> I was soldering soem caps on a printer board
01:39 <MrMobodies> and the mites crawled all over it
01:46 <MrMobodies> and were melting on the nib
01:54 <MrMobodies> 2014 March
03:28 <DHess_US> Halcyon_Work, https://superuser.com/questions/1031085/what-is-the-maximum-partition-size-for-4kn-disks-if-mbr-is-used
04:42 <Halcyon_Work> Yep, so basically once again, Windows 10 sucks
04:44 <DHess_US> "Do be careful, though, as naive disk formatters may refuse to create an MBR partition bigger than 2 TiB if the limitation is hard-coded."
06:46 <MrMobodies> Here we go
06:47 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/X1nEywU
07:11 <MrMobodies> I had galvensied netting put over it and some fire gell stuff to get them off the roof quickly
07:25 <MrMobodies> but those are the mites the white tiny things
10:20 <MrMobodies> I have got a copy of the LTSB edition
10:21 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/u7hNniD.png
11:05 <MrMobodies> I removed a file called DasHost.exe as I traced it was making too many connections to microsoft azura, Akaimi just it being idle
11:24 <MrMobodies> it was doing it through svchost.exe
11:51 <MrMobodies> It only makes connections when I open the update panel in Pc Settings as I would expect
12:19 <MrMobodies> wouldn't you get suspicous?
13:31 <Halcyon_Work> I just block all Microsoft telemetry at the firewall
13:37 <Halcyon_Work> (Not that I really use Windows anymore)
14:08 <MrMobodies> I disabled that but it was still making connections
14:38 <MrMobodies> I could do that but I think found the culprit after a while
14:49 <Halcyon_Work> Yeh even if you "disable" it in Windows, it still sends some stuff out
14:58 <Halcyon_Work> You need to block it at the network level
15:01 <DHess_US> I don't think you can do that Halcyon_Work. Windows bypasses its own firewall. You can block it externally.
15:09 <MrMobodies> I have been observing it idle for hours
15:10 <Halcyon_Work> Windows 10 also ignores some entries in the HOSTS file
15:13 <MrMobodies> and it is well behaved now
15:17 <MrMobodies> I noticed
15:31 <Halcyon_Work> DHess_US: When I say network level, at your router/proper firewall
15:34 <MrMobodies> I had an old tool called "Edexter"
15:36 <Halcyon_Work> Not in Windows at all
16:11 <MrMobodies> I do it on my pfsense router if I needed to
16:14 <Halcyon_Work> Yeop
16:15 <Halcyon_Work> Yep
16:17 <MrMobodies> alias and block paskets
16:35 <MrMobodies> I actually have a list for extensions on chrome somewhere on my old setup
16:40 <Halcyon_Work> Yep, I just use pfBlocker with updates its lists every day
16:48 <Halcyon_Work> *which
17:36 <MrMobodies> Geoip database
17:37 <MrMobodies> that's handy
18:08 <Halcyon_Work> Yeh you can do geoblocking through it as well (I don't at the moment)
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19:10 <MrMobodies> I am stilling use 2.5 dev
19:16 <MrMobodies> it seems okay so far
20:16 <MrMobodies> looks different to 2.1.5 that I used for four years but it works for me, in my favour.
20:37 <MrMobodies> and it can share IRQ's better
22:51 <MrMobodies> just noticed a cat on my camera that activated the floodlight. It seems to like it here a lot in the night.
26:44 <MrMobodies> Also I got many network cards to play with now on the router
26:45 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/1hufkPS
27:04 <MrMobodies> I am nearly finished with it
29:02 <MrMobodies> Anyone using Pfsense 2.5?
34:36 * steve30 cuddles up to Halcyon_Work 
35:32 <DHess_US> I'm running ...
36:13 <Halcyon_Work> Has 2.5 been released yet?
36:51 <Halcyon_Work> I'm on 2.4
36:57 <Halcyon_Work> I'l switch once it goes stable
36:59 <MrMobodies> just the development ones
37:04 <DHess_US> 2.3.5-RELEASE-p2 (i386)
37:17 <DHess_US> Which is the last 32 bit release.
37:19 <MrMobodies> there is a glitch I found.
37:39 <MrMobodies> Change IP address on the consoles and it takes ages
38:00 <MrMobodies> do if from the webpage it changes under a couple of seconds or so
38:13 <MrMobodies> I mean the LANS
38:28 <Halcyon_Work> When you say "ages", how long is that>
38:36 <MrMobodies> about 5 mins
38:47 <MrMobodies> I should actually put a camera there and record it
39:29 <MrMobodies> So I don't change it there anymore, I just change to the default one and it works fine
39:41 <MrMobodies> and wthen change it to the range I use
42:05 <MrMobodies> Got to go sleep soon
45:30 <MrMobodies> night
49:01 <Halcyon_Work> I'm off too, later guys
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49:28 <steve30> aww
49:34 * steve30 cuddles up to T3sl4  instead
49:55 * T3sl4 hugs steve30, turns up the thermostat
50:04 <steve30> :D
51:32 <T3sl4> hey, no cold hands or feet, you warm those things up first mister
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15:34 <hsn> monning
17:10 <steve30> hi
31:29 <hsn> hi there
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37:25 <Ysjoelfir> heihei
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37:56 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Doggy
42:24 <DogWomble> hey Ysjoelfir
43:40 <hsn93> hi Ysjoelfir
43:59 <Ysjoelfir> how are you guys?
44:09 <hsn93> great you
44:10 <hsn93> ?
44:37 <hsn93> i got price from email enquiry for that EM scan thingy : https://snipboard.io/r04zIh.jpg
44:41 <Ysjoelfir> same. it is now decided, we definitely don't take that house. so.. feeling some kind of relieve
45:16 <hsn93> then what r u taking ?
45:16 <Ysjoelfir> ei, nice. thanks for sharing those prices :)
45:19 <DogWomble> yeah doing ok :)
45:24 <DogWomble> just threw a new graphics card into my rig
45:33 <Ysjoelfir> nothing, staying in the same flat for a while...
45:35 <DogWomble> so need to give it a bit of a workout
45:48 <Ysjoelfir> that means, you are playing some nice games now? :P
45:52 <Ysjoelfir> or plain old benchmarking?
45:56 <DogWomble> i hope so :)
46:09 <DogWomble> the old card is a 3gb 1060, the new card is a 6gb 1660ti
46:45 <hsn93> bro u dont play hah
46:49 <hsn93> :P
47:25 <DogWomble> well i will admit, some games i don't play as much as make a complete mockery of myself in
47:50 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to play a bit, but sadly, it's time to work^^
47:52 <DogWomble> i'm more casual gamer than pro gamer :)
48:17 <Ysjoelfir> same
48:56 <hsn93> i think i have (GTX 650 Ti)
49:01 <hsn93> but im not sure :D
49:13 <hsn93> and i only play (league of legends) somtimes
50:08 <Ysjoelfir> I bought one of the RX Vega 64s when they were on sellout sale. 70% under retail price was a nice bargain
53:54 <DogWomble> yeah, the upgrade is becasue looking at my GPU memory usage, i was on occasion using close to the full 3gb of the old card, so a card with more vram was probably a good idea
55:17 <Ysjoelfir> I would support that.
20:27 <hsn93> Service life : 10 million load cycles
20:32 <hsn93> what is load cycle :D
20:48 <hsn93> its a pressure sensor !! what cycle T_T
23:30 <Ysjoelfir> pressure - no pressure
23:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/L37-1-Stk-Miniatur-Motor-3-7-4-5-V-DC-Mini-Elektromotor-75000-U-min/311443085497?hash=item48837458b9:g:hMQAAOSwKRJZbGRZ
23:51 <Ysjoelfir> how damn sweet is that?
09:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My memory still works it seems: https://t.co/525c1njOT1
28:31 <hsn93> pretty damn ?
29:26 <hsn93> good for handheld vibration ?
30:01 <hsn93> i think i also saw similar ones for tiny drones :D
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30:19 <Lemon> hello peeps
30:20 <hsn93> acid joined
30:25 <hsn93> :D
30:27 <Lemon> ;o
30:29 <hsn93> hello lemon
30:40 <Lemon> how its going ?
42:37 <steve30> hi
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09:51 <Lemon> im looking for some component kits I might need
10:42 <Lemon> I already have some, like electrolytics, ceramic caps, resistors, transistors, some crystals/oscillators, various buttons/pots, and many salvaged parts
13:33 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
17:48 <Lemon> the test gear id like to get, theres a clamp meter, an electrometer, a vtvm, and maybe a logic analyzer but for now im alright
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44:34 <Lemon> hmmm thats weird, on the ths710a the square wave gen is acting all weird
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45:46 <Lemon> hey boi
47:44 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Lemon
47:52 <Lemon> how you doing ?
49:21 <Ysjoelfir> wuite good, thanks. I am working on the next revision of that device I work on for work. you
49:22 <Ysjoelfir> ?
50:01 <Lemon> ho neat ! well im fine, I ended up purchasing cables on aliexpress for 23 euros, instead of the 80 asked for 4 pairs of pomona :>
50:28 <Lemon> 5 pairs of stackable banana cables + 6 pairs of crocodile to clip on
51:47 <Ysjoelfir> tell me how they worked out. I am looking for some nice cheap cables to stock for my shop.
51:48 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted to make a comparison of various china cables and choose the best value per money to stock up on..
52:07 <Lemon> ha, the waveform gen is avalaible at the relay shop, but it closes in 10 minutes I wont have the time :> i'll go at 14h
52:16 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
52:29 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/LqxlfT.jpg <-- isn't it a work of art?
54:05 <Lemon> its pretty ! I want to learn a bit how to design mine :>
54:09 <Lemon> I just got a call !
54:20 <Lemon> the dude with the box full of HB stuff, he comes to my house haha
54:21 <Lemon> thats neat
54:25 <Ysjoelfir> lol, nice
54:35 <Lemon> I coulddnt resist
54:41 <Lemon> 50 euros for 10 of them man
54:53 <Lemon> how can I say no to those ? they are from 1930 I think
55:00 <Lemon> im sure they work :>
55:07 <Ysjoelfir> If I would still be collecting I would have bought them, too
59:36 <Lemon> honestly I dont want to start collection
59:40 <Lemon> but they are so beautiful !!!
59:43 <Lemon> 5 euros a piece
59:57 <Lemon> im sure I could sell them for a lot, ive seen a single one of them go for 40-50 euros
00:35 <Lemon> so on the way, I got the waveform gen, lcr meter, wattmeter, fluke 101 (yes I know), fluke 8502a and hp counter from mamalala :>
00:48 <Lemon> now im focusing on components, I already have quite a lot
02:35 <Lemon> if you have any idea of component kits I should get, I already have electrolytics/ceramic caps, resistors, transistors, diodes, some crystal/oscillators, tons of old ic's, and various salvaged parts
04:41 <Ysjoelfir> grab some µICs. I prefer Atmels. besides that.. sounds pretty complete
05:14 <Lemon> I have some pics, atmels, oldies, various arduinos, some stm32 based boards, and various modules
05:28 <Lemon> I might get those small attiny maybe
05:42 <Lemon> they are nice for things like auto off features, etc
06:10 <Lemon> I got a box with hundreds of chips that were from my father
06:23 <Lemon> tons of eeproms, 6502, various things I have no idea of
08:18 <Ysjoelfir> then I would say you are pretty much ready :)
08:22 <Ysjoelfir> what is your first project?
08:24 <Lemon> ho also, what do you think about a box, with like one big pot lets say 1Mohm, and another one for fine tuning, to make a resistor box ?
09:14 <Ysjoelfir> I made that once. It's nice if you have stable multi turn pots. I would add a resistance readout to it.
09:18 <Lemon> hmmm I dont really know honestly :>
09:32 <Lemon> I think it could be better than a decade box for me
09:37 <Lemon> just put the dmm on it and bam
09:40 <Lemon> quick resistor !
09:53 <Ysjoelfir> correct. that is why I build that
10:05 <Ysjoelfir> maybe I should sell that as a kit.
10:12 <Ysjoelfir> you could be my beta tester xD
10:13 <Lemon> and honestly thats rare to have 5+ digits on ohms reading, on the dmm
10:25 <Lemon> haha well thats not a lot of parts :>
10:39 <Lemon> I thought about one big 1Mohm, and a small one lets say 10k
10:50 <Lemon> 10 turns or more if it exists
11:06 <Ysjoelfir> that would be the easy version. I would be a bit more sophisticated.
11:08 <K> hello
11:12 <Ysjoelfir> Hi K
11:13 <Lemon> hi !
11:15 <Lemon> tell me more :>
11:36 <Ysjoelfir> I kind of implicated it there: [12:09:13] <Ysjoelfir> I made that once. It's nice if you have stable multi turn pots. I would add a resistance readout to it.
11:47 <Lemon> ha alright
11:57 <Lemon> well I prefer to use a precise dmm, it will be the best option I think
12:10 <Lemon> does it exist ? a more than 10 turns pot
12:15 <Ysjoelfir> you have to take into account that not everyone has a precise multimeter
12:26 <Lemon> hoo yes I was talking for me only :>
12:26 <K> relay activated decade box!
12:29 <Lemon> for sale yeah
12:53 <Ysjoelfir> I also built the relay version once. just for fun....
13:09 <Ysjoelfir> I had a whole bunch of reed relays on spare.
13:18 <K> make it in a stainless steel enclosure, must weigh enough to have 2 grown man moving it
13:23 <Ysjoelfir> but it wasn't worth the time^^
13:33 <Lemon> ho dude ! I found a little box with I think reed relays, fine thingies with glass
13:43 <Ysjoelfir> could well be reeds
13:52 <Lemon> theres a lot, maybe a good hundred
14:03 <Ysjoelfir> I admit that I love everything that has mercury in it... be it rectifiers or relays
14:14 <Lemon> I also found a bag with like, thousands of small poly caps, of the same value
14:19 <Ysjoelfir> so I would love to built that with HG-relays
14:22 <Lemon> I wonder what my father was doing with them
16:30 <Ysjoelfir> oh! just noticed that it is near lunch break! damn IÄ'm hungry...
16:34 <Ysjoelfir> time, move faster!
16:48 <Lemon> ho yueah im gonna grab some cereals
17:03 <Ysjoelfir> I will have some bollognese from yesterday
18:05 <hsn93> $_$ i got 2 day holiday yay
18:59 <Ysjoelfir> nice :)
19:01 <Lemon> it seems 1Mohm 10 turn pots doesnt exist
19:05 <Lemon> or are expensive af
19:19 <Ysjoelfir> yep
19:26 <Ysjoelfir> you can ask bourns to sell them to you
19:29 <Lemon> I'll go with a 100k and a 1k I think
19:30 <Ysjoelfir> will cost... around 16€
19:36 <Ysjoelfir> if you buy at least 100
19:41 <Lemon> yeah screw that xd
20:01 <Ysjoelfir> if you want them in 5W they would be around 120 a pop
20:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh
21:05 <Ysjoelfir> you can get 500k ones
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> digikey stocks them
21:13 <Lemon> yes I found one
21:16 <Lemon> 80 euros
21:21 <Ysjoelfir> only 211,25 a piece
21:26 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/3400S-1-504L/3400S-1-504L-ND/2534214
21:32 <Lemon> i'll take 20
21:39 <hsn93> cant i build (brain web crawler) and learn everything exist on the internet '-_-
21:54 <Lemon> I am the internet
22:24 <hsn93> who buy this ^^ ?
22:38 <Ysjoelfir> the pot?
22:45 <hsn93> yes
22:52 <Ysjoelfir> I would, if I would need it?
22:58 <hsn93> why ?
23:10 <hsn93> why u would need it i mean .. in which application ?
23:23 <Lemon> well we were talking about a resistor box
23:28 <Lemon> instead of the usual decade box style
23:35 <Lemon> just a nice pot, or two with a readout
23:50 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know. I would think that you could find a use case for such ap recision "high-ish" power pot
24:05 <Ysjoelfir> 20ppm tmepco is also rather good for a pot
24:42 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Bourns/3549S-1AA-104B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu7u4aXTvZ%252Bj%252B3PfFGcD0OBa37L291IExo%3D
25:18 <hsn93> it has mil standard so is it used in military applications ? not naccessory right ?
25:22 <Ysjoelfir> I have those at home. nice pots. but check all of them at arrival. 2 of the 100 I bought were scratchy
25:35 <Lemon> hmmm interesting
25:47 <Lemon> the price is alright, expensive for a pot but its 0.1%
25:50 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not sure about the mil spec stuff. have never looked into it
25:59 <Lemon> so with a 1k and a 100k I can get a pretty neat precision
26:05 <Ysjoelfir> who cares about .1%?^^
26:10 <Ysjoelfir> you can adjust it, it's a pot
26:19 <Lemon> yeah true
26:35 <Ysjoelfir> but it's also 50ppm tempco. that would be more interesting in that application
27:05 <Lemon> yeah its neat
27:13 <Lemon> I get two banana plugs, and a box and bam
27:50 <Ysjoelfir> you could also take that https://www.digikey.de/products/en/potentiometers-variable-resistors/rotary-potentiometers-rheostats/84?k=&pkeyword=&sv=0&pv1=73556&sf=0&FV=-8%7C84&quantity=&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&stock=1&pageSize=25
27:59 <Ysjoelfir> and put the 100k in series for fine adjustment
28:11 <hsn93> i just understood tempco is temp coefficient not (tobaco) :D
28:15 <Ysjoelfir> even though that 10M thing will kill all temperature stability you have
28:18 <Ysjoelfir> xD
28:25 <Lemon> hmmm 1 turn only
28:39 <Lemon> even with the 100k in series
28:43 <Lemon> that will be hard to tune no ?
29:01 <Ysjoelfir> it was a joke :) that thing would kill every bit of precision you have
29:02 <hsn93> why u want (1M) pot?
29:10 <Ysjoelfir> it's 10M
29:12 <Lemon> alright :>
29:13 <K> add steppers!
29:24 <Lemon> I think the 100k and 1k will be nice
29:31 <Lemon> 1M would have been cool but well
29:36 <K> will have a way to uttilize all those micros you have
30:25 <Ysjoelfir> great idea K!
30:29 <Ysjoelfir> brb, lunch!
35:54 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Pomona-Electronics/73101-0?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsG1k5vdNM%2Fc%252BwKxrpFpmuQO16BrGBJQ%252Bo%3D this look nice
37:17 <Ysjoelfir> what is that?
37:22 <Ysjoelfir> it looks interesting, but what is it?
37:26 <Lemon> double banana jack plug !
37:30 <Lemon> for the resistor box
37:41 <Ysjoelfir> aaah
38:55 <Lemon> if you can find a cheaper one, or two separate connectors
39:02 <Lemon> id love it ! I cant find any on mouser
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> must it be mouser?
41:29 <Lemon> well id prefer it as I found the two pots there, and they got free shipping after 50 euros
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41:57 <Ysjoelfir> I am a little arrow and digikey fanboy, but hey. let me see
42:17 <Lemon> ho I realize I need caps for those pots too
42:22 <Lemon> I got a few but idk if they will fit
42:42 <Ysjoelfir> it's standard diameter.
42:51 <Ysjoelfir> ok, there are two diameters and 10000 shaft forms
43:02 <Lemon> my caps came from old radios I think
43:05 <hsn93> im trying to make (9) awg (~28-~30 awg) to (awg 20) conversion i cant find connector thats fits for this purpose
43:27 <hsn93> connectors have small range of (awg) variations
43:30 <Ysjoelfir> what is that in a normal SI unit, hsn93?
44:32 <hsn93> wait computer crashed
44:40 <hsn93> awg 20 -> dia ~0.8mm ,,,, awg 30 --> dia ~0.4 or less maybe
44:49 <hsn93> let me check the online tool
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45:13 <Lemon> rest in pieces
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47:03 <Ysjoelfir> So your PC crashes when you have to use SI units? that's a bad pc I would say
47:11 <hsn> lol
47:17 <Ysjoelfir> Physalis: https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Pomona-Electronics/6884?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtW7Xd10NdmuJ0hw%2FJ5i2UGWxwdo4q%2F4lY%3D
47:18 <hsn> 0.2546mm dia --> awg30
47:40 <Lemon> haaaa thanks
47:41 <hsn> dude i ll show u my opened tabs
48:08 <Ysjoelfir> that's a rather big step. Why don't you just solder them?
50:43 <hsn> me ?
50:48 <Ysjoelfir> si
50:59 <hsn> its for production later
51:25 <hsn> i dont know if i've that option even,, vibration + IP rating
52:03 <Ysjoelfir> not sure about IP but wouldn't heatshrink with glue solve vibration and moisture problems?
52:05 <Ysjoelfir> however
52:11 <Ysjoelfir> if it needs to be moisture resistand:
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> think about... erm... how are they called
52:28 <Ysjoelfir> AMP superseal? i think so
52:40 <hsn> i dont think they reach awg30
52:52 <hsn> im thinking about (multi stage in line connectors) XD
54:23 <Ysjoelfir> right, the AMPs go wodn to 0.5mm²
54:25 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Davies-Molding/0220?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsrGrAVj6eTvek7IwI91Vva5vv7aj1MrUU%3D I wonder if two pots + connectors will fit in that
54:53 <Lemon> its roughly 10cm by 7cm
55:07 <Lemon> 4cm high
56:20 <hsn> thats why my pc crash ----> https://gfycat.com/poisedadorableiberianmidwifetoad
56:59 <Ysjoelfir> you should close a few tabe
57:01 <Ysjoelfir> *tabs
57:17 <Lemon> I took 5 minutes to close tabs
57:22 <Lemon> I reached 300+
57:27 <Lemon> idk what im doing with my life
57:34 <K> get a bigger screen
57:35 <Lemon> they arent even showing after 80-100
57:40 <Lemon> I have 3 screens xd
57:45 <K> oh.
57:48 <Ysjoelfir> I have only 2 :(
57:55 <hsn> :D im waiting for major crash that (i ll not restore any tabs after)
57:57 <hsn> and start fresh
58:13 <Ysjoelfir> there is a trick u might not know
58:26 <Ysjoelfir> go to the browser and press alt + F4
58:35 <hsn> tried it
58:37 <hsn> doesnt work
58:46 <hsn> it warns me ;'(
58:53 <Ysjoelfir> then ignore the warning
59:10 <hsn> "but what if" ..
59:15 <hsn> i need somthing
59:16 <hsn> :D
59:40 <Lemon> I have no idea what to look for on mouser for pot caps
59:51 <Lemon> I dont like the search engine honestly
00:07 <hsn> Lemon im fan of aluminum inclusures
00:16 <Ysjoelfir> welcome to my world. you just found the reason why I hate mouser
00:21 <hsn> extrusion enclusures
00:32 <Lemon> I am too but I dont have much tools, also its more expensive
01:00 <Lemon> I need caps and I'll be good
01:00 <hsn> chineese ?
01:03 <Lemon> 50 euros product
01:34 <hsn> ah
02:18 <hsn> amp seal = 16-20 AWG (1.25-0.50 mm2)
02:45 <Ysjoelfir> that's what I wrote before :)
02:54 <Ysjoelfir> [12:54:23] <Ysjoelfir> right, the AMPs go wodn to 0.5mm²
04:01 <hsn> yes i do search in (current ratings) to get the size
04:02 <hsn> usually
04:47 <hsn> but i found somthing like (awg30 - awg26) .. thats why im thinking to have multi stage inline connector
04:52 <hsn> but it looks so stupid
04:53 <hsn> :D
06:35 <Ysjoelfir> just solder it :)
07:37 <hsn> hmm
08:29 <Lemon> im really in love with my multavi 5
09:47 <coppice_> kinky
10:00 <Lemon> :>
10:17 <Lemon> its one of my best scores I think
10:29 <Lemon> its in really good condition, got it for 16 euros with shipping
11:28 <Ysjoelfir> I sold multavi fives for souble and tripple that. so... yeah, thats a deal
11:40 <Lemon> hehe !
12:06 <Lemon> im still sad about the triplett
14:15 <Lemon> thats a shame that shipping broke the meter
19:26 <hsn> microsoft fixed (search bar) thingy finally
20:17 <hsn> they missed up the desktop gui thingy .. i've to open explorer.exe and navigate to desktop
29:49 <hsn> does it matter if im prototyping in PCb manufacturer that has (manual conformal coating) ?
31:30 <hsn> seems like i'll need conformal coating later .. production annual < 3k
32:12 <Ysjoelfir> Good question, never did anything with that. T3sl4, have you any idea?
52:10 <K> oh dear lord, autodesks fusion360 user/project/team management is sucha raging dumpsterfire
52:18 <K> i hates it
52:42 <Lemon> never tried it !
52:49 <Lemon> alright lets go get the waveform gen :D
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