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47:05 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
47:06 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGFAjwtjlPc
47:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Thunder in Your Heart
54:19 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swivbEsD50
54:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lil Kleine & Ronnie Flex - Drank & Drugs (prod. Jack $hirak)
56:44 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yh9i0PAjck
56:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Loituma - Ievan Polkka
07:15 <rust_collector> lalala lalala lalala la la la
08:38 <Ysjoelfir> la la lala la lalalalala la lalalala la lalalala la lalala la!
08:44 * Ysjoelfir spins leak around
08:57 * Ysjoelfir corrects that to a leek
19:36 <rust_collector> spun leek is uppr as
19:53 <rust_collector> and much cheaper than glowsticks
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23:49 <arch> what's the min freq needed on a spectrum analyzer for EMC testing?
23:54 <arch> would 1.5GHz suffice?
24:29 <arch> really dont wanna spend $3k+, but depending on the bonus moniez...
25:35 <arch> ideally my budget is 1.5k tops
26:16 <arch> this appnote, they use a 3GHz SA: https://res.cloudinary.com/iwh/image/upload/q_auto,g_center/assets/3/7/Instek_App_Note_EMI_Testing.pdf
26:38 <rust_collector> google says Most commercial EMC standards have measurements made over the frequency range of 150 kHz to 30 MHz.
26:47 <rust_collector> so...
27:56 <arch> great, so i dont need to waste money
28:06 <arch> well, those adapters and whatnot are gonna add up the cost
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28:15 <arch> lisn and all that other stuff
28:22 <rust_collector> it looks like there are different standards, so I guess it depends?
28:25 <Kuschelpony> hmmm... thats the frequency range for conducted EMC testing, the other into the GHz is for radiatec EMC testing, if i remember right
29:00 * T3sl4 microwaves arch
30:03 <arch> radiated emc, and conducted emc.
30:11 <arch> need both
31:43 <arch> this one can be hacked: http://www.saelig.com/siglent-spectrum-analyzers/ssa3021x.htm
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31:50 <arch> to 3.2ghz iirc
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58:40 <rust_collector> cutting a crankshaft with a hacksaw makes me want a portaband just a little bit
59:34 <Ysjoelfir> why would you do that?
00:13 <rust_collector> eeh, because I can not find my bearing puller thing, and I need the timing gear from this thing
00:38 <rust_collector> and the crankshaft does not fit in my press
06:59 <rust_collector> I guess getting a puller would be an option, but a portaband would be nice too
13:42 <T3sl4> a buller pearing
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26:32 <Kuschelpony> hmm, nice vintage TV https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/retro-fernseher-stassfurt-ines/1753890331-175-467
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27:43 <rust_collector> has some patina...lol
28:50 <Ysjoelfir> CUTE :d
29:01 <Ysjoelfir> damn caps....
29:12 <coppice> That front is really minimalist for labelling
29:41 <rust_collector> dymo style
29:50 <coppice> I was just thinking that
30:09 <rust_collector> I like it. it says... I am a tv! and just a tv
31:42 <coppice> 1968. I wonder how many vacuum tubes are in that?
33:12 <Kuschelpony> that could be the era, when a TBA120 audio decdoder IC was connected to a PCL86 amplifier tube
33:33 <Kuschelpony> yes i had seen such TVs but lost memory which chassis they were
33:42 <Kuschelpony> lots of weird stuff in these years
34:52 <coppice> 68/69 was when the first all transistor TVs appeared from Philips, Thorn and a couple of other leaders
34:55 <Ysjoelfir> It has 13 tubes. PC88, PCF801, EF183, EF184, PFL200, PCL86, PCL85, ECC82, PCF802, PL500 (my favorite!), PY88, DY86 and the B47G2 CRT
35:27 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i porefer the PL504 which had lower saturation voltage
36:08 <Kuschelpony> and dont forget to ground the silver ring around the tube to suppress parasitic oscilations
36:37 <Ysjoelfir> I accept 504 as well.
36:51 <Kuschelpony> goood
36:51 <Ysjoelfir> Actually I realy like the 508 as well, and of course the 519/509
36:59 <coppice> The 1969 Thorn TV chassis had a class D audio amp. There was massive innovation around that time
37:01 <Kuschelpony> oh the 508 is so totally cute
37:22 <Kuschelpony> perhaps the nicest vertical output i have seen
37:35 <Kuschelpony> and yeah the 519 were the really big color tv line oitputs
38:18 <Ysjoelfir> one thing I realy like to tinker with in DIY amps is the xY500/500a. Just looks gorgeous with that bright glowing cathode which is clearly visible in many variants of that tube
38:25 <Kuschelpony> what i do not so much miss were the thyristor line output stages... lots of bang any time you had any hiccup in the commutation circuits
38:52 <Kuschelpony> hmm, should dig out mine as well
39:18 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir and Kuschelpony
39:32 <Kuschelpony> also an adventure that i would love to see RL was the grundig CUC3870 chassis
39:58 <coppice> thyristor line output stages were very short lived
40:09 <Kuschelpony> the very first generation of the "100Hz" frame frequency doubling TVs with analog CCD memory
40:30 <Kuschelpony> coppice, some were still in servivce in the middle 90s when i repaired that stuff
41:36 <coppice> Things like the BU208 killed the thyristor approach pretty quickly
41:43 <Kuschelpony> yep
42:16 <Kuschelpony> first the BU205 which was still more of a generic high voltage transistor, then the BU208 as the first full optimized switcher
42:50 <Kuschelpony> oh and there was also this one sick concept from siemens where the line output stage was basically a stepdown converter
43:57 <Kuschelpony> so one transistor switched the 300V mains to the line outpuit transformer during flyback period, while a second transitor did the usual line switching from a buffer cap at around 30V
44:09 <coppice> I'm not sure what you mean. around 1970 most TVs generated all their low voltages by using the line output stage as an SMPS
44:14 * flyback bites Kuschelpony 
44:22 <Ysjoelfir> I remember some grundig tv I repaired in my apprenticeship... it has IIRC a Grundig branded "GUZ90" (BUZ90...) in the output stage. We used that big internet error database back at the time, I think it was called euras? However, they wrote to only replace that with a grundig branded one, and not use a generic BUZ90. after we repaired the same TV the third time in one month we knew why.
44:22 <Kuschelpony> coppice, a hybrid concept
44:47 <flyback> heh
44:53 <flyback> since you guys are talking about this
45:01 <Kuschelpony> there was the line output stage which ran from about 30V, but this voltage was not fed into the line output stage
45:02 <flyback> the first smps in tv's used scr's
45:10 <flyback> needless to say the power company was pissed
45:18 <Kuschelpony> flyback, i just mentioned thyristors above...
45:23 <flyback> you ever watching baseball and the crow does "the wave"
45:39 <flyback> that's what was happening cause of all the scr's firing in sync
45:47 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: Grundig was Philips then, so that would have been just a Mullard/Philips transistor, possibly with some test time selection
45:58 <flyback> didn't know that
46:02 <flyback> grundig was philips
46:10 <Kuschelpony> voppice that concept was a line output stage where the line output stage was fed from mains during flyback with 300v, and on the other side the storage capacitor with 30v was used as power source for everything
46:10 <flyback> I almost bought a grundig shortwave
46:28 <coppice> and now Grundig is one of the Turkish brands
46:46 <Ysjoelfir> good ol' vestel
46:49 <Kuschelpony> in this concept, when the feed transistor shorted, the stage supplied all 30V loads with 300V so basically all small signal stuff vaporized
46:53 <Ysjoelfir> or was it alba beko?
46:59 <coppice> yeah, probably Vestel
47:52 <Kuschelpony> i do have also the app notes when they proudly presented the circuit in data books
48:02 <coppice> I wonder how much money those Turkish brands make? Anything clever in their stuff comes from China. They are little more than box assemblers for most things
55:26 <Kuschelpony> hmm, lets build a "Doc Brown" guitar amp :) https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/senderoehre-rs1007-siemens-nos-1-stck-/1058355238-168-7660?
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00:18 <coppice> Kuschelpony: where are you going to get a drive unit with a 4m wide cone?
00:57 <Kuschelpony> you can buy them
01:20 <Kuschelpony> http://alex-audio.com/de/prod/der-groste-lautsprecher-der-welt/
01:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Der größte Lautsprecher der Welt « Alex-Audio – Professional sound equipment, Acoustic systems. Perfection Sound
02:00 <coppice> that's only 2m. much smaller than the Doc Brown one
02:32 <coppice> interesting that something that big only goes down to 28Hz
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03:07 <Kuschelpony> i assume they made the membrane spring very stiff to avoid it wobbling
04:51 <coppice> is this a serious speaker, or a novelty one?
05:03 <Kuschelpony> perhaps in the middle between
05:18 <Kuschelpony> was too lazy to ask the serious questions
05:50 <Kuschelpony> like where the membrane has its breakup frequencies, perhaps so low that it needs a subwoofer for the next higher octave :)
12:30 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir am I crazy to want a ph/redox/temp meter, mostly because im curious, and because its quite an expensive thing but sold really cheap ?
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12:55 <Lemon> and thanks Kuschelpony for the explainaition !
13:02 <Ysjoelfir> then... have fun?
13:03 <Lemon> never thought it was like that, it makes sense
13:18 <Kuschelpony> its fine
13:25 <Kuschelpony> im happy if i can occasionally help
13:32 <Lemon> well I don't know, but those last days I tend to be interested by everything
13:38 <Lemon> first a luxmeter, now this
13:42 <Kuschelpony> hihi
13:49 <Kuschelpony> and finally the Tricorder
13:57 <Lemon> the guy wants 40 euros for it, device + the sensor cost around 500 online
13:58 <Ysjoelfir> lol
14:27 <Lemon> nah its not serious
14:34 <Lemon> I will use it twice at most
14:47 <Lemon> I always think "maybe I can resell it"
14:56 <Lemon> but most of the time I end up stocking pile of stuff xd
15:08 <Kuschelpony> hihi
15:21 <Kuschelpony> there are reasons why i do not show photosd of my basement :)
15:43 <Lemon> show me show me !
15:55 <Lemon> no I wont get it
16:00 <Lemon> thats not serious at all
16:04 <Lemon> the luxmeter I dont regret it
16:07 <Lemon> its super nice
16:25 <Lemon> im still waiting on LMT for more documentation, but from what I got
16:37 <Lemon> its quite a high end device, LMT being the summum in photometry, from what I read
16:56 <Lemon> mine reads from 0.001 lx to 200k I think
18:39 <Lemon> I dont know what to do for the battery, put a new nicad one, or install a more recent nimh or lithium, but it would require a little circuit
19:07 <Lemon> it needs 4.8v, I guess I could put some 18650 in paralell with a little bms and a boost circuit
19:32 <Kuschelpony> or lithium titanate, i think they were 2,4V nominal voltage
19:57 <Kuschelpony> nicad is obsolete, but there are also good nimh like the eneloop
20:48 <Lemon> never heard of titanate
20:56 <Lemon> yeah and eneloops are 1.2v, right ?
21:11 <Lemon> rusty told me to use rechargeable AA
21:37 <Ysjoelfir> yes
21:56 <Kuschelpony> yep, eneloop are recharageable AA and AAA just the better ones that do not <beep> like the cheap Nimh
22:41 <Kuschelpony> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery
22:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Lithium-titanate battery - Wikipedia
22:52 <Lemon> hmmm and it wouldnt require a circuit
23:11 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/XLk234p
23:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
23:14 <Lemon> it looks like this
23:46 <Lemon> I think the cable stuck on it with some paste is a temp sensor, right ?
23:58 <Lemon> no idea where it goes, I dont have the schematic
24:07 <Lemon> and I didnt strip it down
25:44 <DHess_US> Low discharge NiMH like Eneloop are like the old style "high temperature and low leakage" NiCd cells which had similar advantages.
26:19 <Lemon> I guess it would work fine, I powered it with a lab supply and it was barely using 100ma
26:20 <DHess_US> I think they use a tougher but thicker separator, which since it takes up more space, reduces capacity.
26:40 <Lemon> what I dont understand tho, is something was whinning in it
27:03 <Lemon> and I mean, the transformer is probably there to charge batteries when its connected to mains, and it wasnt
27:12 <Lemon> its the only thing that could whine looking at it
28:31 <DHess_US> whine usually comes from ceramic capacitors which can be piezoelectric, or inductors or transformers where the windings might not be fixed in place well enough, although sometimes the core material itself is the problem.
29:19 <Lemon> hmmm ceramic caps you say
29:23 <Lemon> I didnt know
29:33 <Lemon> I thought it was mostly from coily thingies if I can say
33:45 <Ampera> good morning
33:54 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon
37:47 <Lemon> how you doing ampera :>
37:56 <Ampera> lazy
38:00 <Ampera> lazy and tired
38:11 <Ampera> how are you
48:29 <Lemon> heh kinda the same, as always
48:39 <Lemon> and im wondering why the fuck anti-esd mats are so expensive
48:53 <Lemon> ok they are certified blabla but still, 370 euros per meter ? really ?
01:43 <DHess_US> Do you know how many ESDs they have to kill to make an ESD mat? Of course they are expensive!
04:33 <Lemon> thats true thats true
04:43 <Lemon> https://www.conrad.fr/p/ensemble-avec-tapis-antistatique-esd-tru-components-esdm-1190bg-1570452-l-x-l-x-h-1190-x-590-x-2-mm-gris-1-set-1570452
04:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Ensemble avec tapis antistatique (ESD) TRU COMPONENTS ESDM-1190BG 1570452 (L x l x H) 1190 x 590 x 2 mm gris 1 set | Conrad.fr
04:53 <Lemon> I guess I will settle on a model like this, its not resistant to heat
04:56 <Lemon> but its cheaper
05:38 <Lemon> but on this one I dont understand how you connect it to ground
05:43 <Lemon> you have a wirstband ok
05:47 <Lemon> with a push thingie
05:56 <Lemon> but what is the croco black wire for ?
06:03 <Lemon> how do you use that ?
06:18 <rust_collector> maybe your bench is not conducting enough, or too much, I dunno?
06:45 <Kuschelpony> its supposed that you connect tit to the protective earth pin of your power socket
07:14 <Kuschelpony> the mat, as well as your wrist strap (and there is a good reason that there are limiting rewsistors in the cable)
07:31 <Ampera> ESD is too scared of me to damage my components
07:37 <Ampera> make static your bitch
07:42 * Ampera zaps T3sl4
07:54 <coppice> Ampera: there should be a crack down on ESD
08:19 <Ampera> It's shocking there hasn't been.
08:33 * T3sl4 explodes an EMP bomb on Ampera
08:46 <coppice> well, the people who should be doing that have probably been discharged
09:11 * Ampera explodes a BMP bomb on T3sl4, raining pictures of cute cats and humorous jokes all over the place
09:25 <Ampera> coppice, they probably never had the capacity to do it in the first place
10:15 <T3sl4> GIF me a break
10:24 <Ampera> Nah, I prefer to be a PNG in the ass
10:44 <Ampera> even if it results in a TIFF
10:53 <Lemon> but I mean, when you say "the protective earth pin"
10:59 <Lemon> I need some kind of adapter right ?
11:07 <Ampera> he means as opposed to the unprotective earth pin
11:41 <Lemon> hmmm
11:54 <Lemon> because I dont see how you can connect both that and the wirstband on the mat at once
12:03 <Lemon> it looks like one of those push buttons
12:12 <Lemon> but only for either the wirst band, or the earth connection
12:42 <rust_collector> I can not see the other side of the black wire, maybe it is a double ender?
12:51 <Ampera> that's what she said
12:57 <Lemon> yes maybe rusty
13:05 <Lemon> tbh for that price, yeah I can get it
13:05 <rust_collector> eeeh eeeh
13:13 <Lemon> its not heat resistant, but cant have everything
13:32 <Lemon> if im sure it will give me the peace of mind of not destroying expensive components or shit im working on, yeah ok
13:37 <rust_collector> well, as long as you know...
13:41 <Lemon> I will manage and get something else to solder on
14:22 <Lemon> 1.2m per 0.6m is fairly large on top of that for that price
15:26 <rust_collector> yes, go take a nap
15:38 <rust_collector> it is not a bad deal, imo
16:27 <Lemon> haha yes need a nap first lol
16:34 <Lemon> I will think about it, and look around a bit more
16:38 <Lemon> but yes it looks neat
16:54 <Lemon> I dont want to spend too much, but I dont want a cheapo that I will regret either
17:01 <rust_collector> at least it is not a4 sized, like the chinese ones
17:07 <Lemon> yeah exactly
17:31 <Lemon> btw you should get those piercing thingies
17:34 <Lemon> they are super nice
17:44 <Lemon> especially if you work on cars, I can see them being useful there
17:59 <rust_collector> what size wire can you stuff in those?
19:17 <Lemon> hmmm I tried with a silicone wire that was quite big, wait
19:19 <Lemon> lemme see the size
20:14 <Lemon> 6.22mm with insulator
20:30 <rust_collector> not bad
21:06 <Lemon> yeah on silicone, hole is inexistant
21:14 <Lemon> on pvc, well it depends
21:20 <Lemon> if its oldass pvc you will def see it
21:28 <Lemon> but all three types got different needles
21:40 <rust_collector> yeah. but that is what happens when you poke holes in things, lol
24:28 <Lemon> yeah true xd
24:35 <Lemon> but really in silicone, perfect
24:45 <Lemon> with the screw on design you can control it, its super pointy
24:53 <Lemon> and tbh im quite surprised by the quality
28:34 <Lemon> fluke like version feels super sturdy
38:31 <Lemon> I asked them if this ground cable is double sided
48:51 <rust_collector> heh, electrobooms last video is sort of useful
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00:06 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32315172780.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.17.46417549e7Xcft&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.33416.213724.0&scm_id=1007.33416.213724.0&scm-url=1007.33416.213724.0&pvid=193114be-19ed-4ffd-82a5-28428f7d7c11&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.33416.213724.0,pvid:193114be-19ed-4ffd-82a5-28428f7d7c11,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2337_668%23888%233325%2310_23416%230%23213724%230_
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00:23 <Lemon> those things looks super nice to desolder a chip without heating it too much
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02:52 <Lemon> they are expensive tho
04:24 <rust_collector> uhm, do you have a hot air thingie?
06:35 <Lemon> no not yet, but I was looking at one since a week or so
06:40 <Lemon> you know the ksger one
08:08 <Lemon> its one of the last tools I really miss having, to have quite a complete set of tools
09:30 <rust_collector> yeah. I think special nozzles would be pretty far down my list of things to get
38:39 <Lemon> yeah at that price definitively
38:46 <Lemon> but if I find some cheap... why not
11:53 <rust_collector> because you don't have a hot air station?
39:35 <Lemon> no, I told you that I will probably buy the ksger one
39:45 <rust_collector> yes
40:00 <Lemon> but as it takes super long to come, I might aswell get additionnal nozzles, but not at 35 euros the pack
40:07 <Lemon> the four stock ones will do the job I guess
40:25 <rust_collector> I think they will do ok, until you figure out if you need anything else
41:08 <Lemon> yeah
50:45 <rust_collector> well, good night
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01:32 <Ampera> not enough bacon, too much peppers
02:12 <Ampera> I think my server knows it's about to be rebuilt, and is deciding now is a good time to exhibit inexplicable behavior
02:24 <Ampera> tried to ssh in to find it off the network
02:39 <Ampera> went down to look at the console and it had halted inexplicably
02:52 <Ampera> nothing in dmesg, just happened
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28:12 <DogWomble> Well I'm hoping to have a new [to me] toy later in the day, i'm not sure whether it's going to classify as technically "vintage" but found a laptop with an old AMD Athlon x2 processor going for almost nothing
28:48 <DogWomble> judging by the original specs, it's likely to be a windows vista machine, will probably blow that away and run it up as either Kubuntu or Lubuntu
29:54 <DogWomble> hoping it works well enough to just use as a portable Openoffice machine to nut a few things out during the quiet times at work when i'm on nights these next few weeks
32:23 <DHess_US> Should be completely usable. My 10 year old Phenom runs current software fine.
32:56 <DogWomble> yeah, it's not going to be an absolute powerhouse, but then it's not intended to be
33:15 <DogWomble> it's just something cheap and cheerful that'll run openoffice to nut a few ideas out
37:09 <DHess_US> The biggest limitation on my Phenom is only 8GB of RAM. Unfortunately it is not economical to upgrade it to 32GB.
37:24 <DHess_US> My new workstation has 64GB.
38:10 <DHess_US> Back when I built it, 8GB was twice as much as common, and the maximum practical amount anyway.
38:37 <DHess_US> Hmf, test equipment market on Ebay seems to have dried up.
38:52 <DHess_US> One, ONE, FG501A for sale.
43:03 <DHess_US> And that one is Canadian, eww.
44:15 <T3sl4> hm, i have 16GB in mine
46:20 <DHess_US> T3sl4, it uses unbuffered ECC.
46:55 <T3sl4> that's just normal desktop ram isn't it?
47:53 <T3sl4> i have a Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz, forget what the mobo is
48:02 <DogWomble> yeah, that's what i'll have to experiment with - this laptop is only 2GB, which is the official minimum required to run Kubuntu
48:20 <DogWomble> whether Kubuntu will run well in that rmeains to be seen, if it doesn't then i can fall back on Lubuntu
48:46 <DHess_US> T3, no. Do a search for DDR2 4GB ECC DIMMs and they are super rare, and expensive.
49:02 <T3sl4> oh, i read that as un ECC too
49:09 <DogWomble> the plan is to try with Kubuntu first though, given KDE is what i tend to be most familiar with
49:10 <T3sl4> that might matter :P
49:13 <DHess_US> Currently zero available on Ebay.
49:24 <DHess_US> Last time I found some last year, they were $200 each.
49:45 <DogWomble> yeah, RAM prices for some of the older stuff seems to be going nuts
49:59 <DHess_US> That is more than I paid for my MB, CPU, and 64GB of DDR4 ECC in my current workstation.
50:23 <DogWomble> it was only a few months back i upgraded a friends DDR3 rig from 8gb to 24, and it cost less than $AU100, nowadays similar ram has shot up to about $140
50:33 <DHess_US> 4GB and larger DDR2 unbuffered ECC just never happened.
50:58 <DHess_US> And of course even if I found some, it might not work because it would never have been tested.
51:09 <T3sl4> sucks to have the literal worst phenom then or whatever :P
52:48 <DHess_US> It isn't an uncommon situation. I had a very early Micronics 486 and started with 8MB intended to upgrade it to 64MB later. But when it was designed, 4MB SIMMs were not available for testing, and as it ends up there was a bug in the design so when they became available, they didn't work.
53:19 <DHess_US> Actually was the best Phenom at the time, or close to it.
53:33 <T3sl4> most things were best at the time though :P
53:36 <DHess_US> Like I said, completely usable for everything except current games. But lacks enough RAM.
54:09 <DHess_US> And with more RAM, I suspect it would work with the games I mostly play.
54:23 <DHess_US> It certainly has no problems with video playback on multiple monitors.
54:39 <DHess_US> But the RAM problem is a killer.
54:40 <T3sl4> reminds me of the time when i had a duron something or other, and inherited a radeon x600 pro card
54:57 <T3sl4> it ran doom 3 at full settings magnificently, except if i had more than a few monsters on screen
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55:28 <DHess_US> Copied data off of my old workstation today which started life as a Celeron 300A.
56:30 <DHess_US> Fixed my broken DM502, https://ibb.co/xz31PNp
56:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM502-Repaired — ImgBB
56:46 <DHess_US> Ran some tests and AC frequency response extends down to 10 Hz.
57:08 <T3sl4> very 70s chic
57:13 <DHess_US> It was the last meter I considered using for speaker tuning because it is "only" 3.5 digits.
57:15 <DogWomble> yeah one thing i'm tossing up over is whether i add zram to the laptop
57:33 <DHess_US> But as it ends up, it was my best meter for low frequency testing.
57:44 <DHess_US> plus it can operate in dB.
57:58 <DogWomble> i have mixed opinions over it, it might help with the lack of memory, but whether the processor is fast enough for it to be any benefit over traditional swap
58:08 * T3sl4 wombles DogWomble a bit
58:10 <DHess_US> dunno what zram is.
58:21 <DogWomble> basically a form of memory compression on linux
58:34 <DogWomble> it basically turns part of your RAM into a swap file which it then compresses
58:40 <DogWomble> hey T3sl4
59:20 <T3sl4> oh, so it doubles your ram except actually
59:57 <DogWomble> well i don't know about doubles, it depends on how compressible your data is
00:12 <DogWomble> but in theory increases your physical ram by compressing some of the contents
00:50 <T3sl4> probably doubles would be optimistic, as you'd want to keep say half RAM free and compress the rest
01:03 <DogWomble> yeah :) you can control how much it allocates
01:37 <T3sl4> and you'd need a compression ratio over... 67%? to double things at that rate
02:07 <DogWomble> basically the scenario is that i'm picking up a rather antiquated AMD X2 laptop that i'm going to throw linux on, the idea being that i just want something cheep and cheerful and moderately portable to do some basic wordprocessing type stuff when i'm on nights
02:38 <T3sl4> athlon x2?
02:55 <DogWomble> the CPU will probably be fine with this, and I can expand the RAM (assuming I can find some old DDR2), but at the moment it's only a 2gb machine which will *probably* be fine given that's all Kubuntu needs, but i'm thinking ahead to see if i canimprove it
03:01 <DogWomble> yeah athlon x22, 2ghz mobile variant
03:14 <T3sl4> i had one of those in the desktop back in the xp days or so
03:27 <DogWomble> yeah, i had an old XP-2600+ back in the day
03:33 <T3sl4> dunno if that'll run libreoffice or other bloat like that, but anything contemporary certainly
03:40 <DogWomble> it was a fairly solid machine for the 5 years i had it, just got to the poitn i neeed something faster
03:44 <DHess_US> Shouldn't have any problem finding SODIMMs for it on Ebay.
04:01 <DogWomble> yeah, i don't think they're necessarily hard to get
10:11 <T3sl4> i still have a few megs of that from a pentium 4 lappy
11:05 <DogWomble> yeah, this one has 1 free slot i believe
11:29 <T3sl4> speaking of megs, i had 1.1GB on my duron back when
11:42 <T3sl4> 128MB + 1GB, screaming fast PC133
11:49 <DHess_US> My Pentium 4 laptop died and I never did anything with it. I think it has 2 x 512MB SODIMMs.
12:17 <DHess_US> What a pile of junk. Never bought a laptop since.
12:48 <DHess_US> And compared to modern laptops, it is a ruby of human factors engineering.
13:01 <DHess_US> Real keyboard, matte screen, lots of ports, etc.
13:05 <DogWomble> yeah, i still use a desktop as a daily driver, and a phone for portable stuff
13:22 <DogWomble> i just wanted something portable with a real keyboard that didn't cost a whole lot
13:29 <T3sl4> i borrow a laptop from a client, it has that fucking trackpad where the whole pad clicks down
13:38 <T3sl4> there's no scroll area on it, or at least any obvious area
13:41 <DogWomble> yeah, i can't stand that
13:52 <T3sl4> the mouseclit is legitimately easier to use, it's that bad
14:03 <DogWomble> mainly because i keep on accidentally clickinmg things
14:17 <DogWomble> "mouseclit" - now there's a fun name :)
14:29 <T3sl4> https://xkcd.com/243/
14:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - xkcd: Appropriate Term
15:10 <T3sl4> i don't have a problem with accidental clicks, at least with my hands and where i put them
15:21 <T3sl4> i just keep a cord mouse with it
16:02 <T3sl4> which i've also borrowed from the office, which i haven't had reason to be in in over half a year i think. they must be really low on work
17:59 <DogWomble> https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq-presario-cq60/
18:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - HP Compaq Presario CQ60 Specs - CNET
18:07 <DogWomble> that's the actual laptop i was hopign to pick up
18:27 <DogWomble> going to head over this ffternoon, make sure it at least boots and doesn't have any showstopping fautls, and if not grab it, bring it home and rebuild it
19:44 <T3sl4> sounds roughly similar to the 8510W i still have, core 2 duo
20:54 <DogWomble> i'm hoping it all goes to plan -the photos i've seen seem to show that it at least botos to a desktop, so it's at least functional
21:18 <T3sl4> which has 4GB RAM, only 3.change accessible of course because XP
21:19 <DogWomble> i'm probably going to blow away the OS though because it's Windows Vista and ... blergj
21:34 <DogWomble> yeah, MS kinda crippled PAE
21:45 <T3sl4> ironically the 8510 had a vista sticker but the school imaged it for XP and whatever installed stuff it had
22:19 <T3sl4> also ironically, apparently i was supposed to turn it in to reset it to factory settings or whatever when i graduated, but i conveniently missed that email, so technically i guess i'm stealing licensed software or whatever
22:53 <DogWomble> norti norti :)
23:46 <DHess_US> There were a couple of reasons for MS to cripple PAE. Doing so allowed for market segmentation, and non-server drivers were not qualified for PAE; many failed. They had a whole driver certification program for servers.
24:08 <DogWomble> yeah, i thnik the "official" reason was to avoid compatibility issues with drivers
24:16 <DHess_US> I think it was always short sighted though and MS was being an asshole, so fuck them.
24:18 <DogWomble> i don't know whether that was an actual concern or just microsoft wank
24:32 <T3sl4> it's not like i ever see it use more than a GB anyway, i mean the only thing i keep it for is some legacy programs
24:50 <T3sl4> feels so weird these days, booting at 243MB or so used
24:55 <DHess_US> Intel did the same thing with low end portable x86 processors and it resulted in them losing the entire low end embedded market to ARM, so they got what they deserved.
25:06 <DogWomble> yeah, unless oyu were really pushing it, I don't think XP really benefitted from more than about 2gb
25:07 <DHess_US> HOw many billion dollars did that cost Intel? I hope all of them.
25:25 <T3sl4> they're intel, fuckem
25:34 <DHess_US> XP before the server packs supported PAE and more than 4GB.
25:35 <T3sl4> sadly, you can't fuckem enough to have them go under
25:56 <DogWomble> yeah, when i first built a machine with 4gb, i specifically went with XP 64-bit
26:04 <DHess_US> No, I mean 32-bit XP.
26:06 <DogWomble> then shortly after, Windows 7 came out so just went with that
26:22 <DHess_US> 32-bit XP supported more than 4GB of address space and RAM using PAE.
26:39 <DHess_US> MS crippled it in SP1 or SP2, I forget which.
26:46 <T3sl4> indeed it says PAE in system properties, but it amounts to nothing because it won't use it
27:02 <DHess_US> No, it *uses* PAE, it has to to support NX.
27:28 <DHess_US> But in SP1 or SP2, they limited it to 4GB of physical address space which has nothing to do with anything.
28:05 <DHess_US> Which is why on my PHenom I could run 32 bit XP and dedicate the extra RAM from 8GB as a ramdisk to stick the swap file on.
28:10 <DogWomble> yeah, i tjink even windows 2000 server (or was it 2003?) supported at least 8gb
28:42 <DHess_US> And there were patches to unlock the later SP2 and SP3 XP to run with more than 4GB of address space.
29:08 <T3sl4> oh, it will still allocate it, for specific purposes?
29:28 <DHess_US> No, XP won't. But PAE is still there to make use of it.
29:48 <gnif> XP with PAE can address > 4GB, but each application can only allocate up to 4GB.
29:51 <DogWomble> i think i've seen it once give me a few hundred more megabytes above 3gb
30:10 <gnif> well, yeah, 3.something iirc
30:14 <DHess_US> XP was patched to limit the addresses to 32 bits, probably in the various state tables. My guess is that they simply ANDed with 32 bits of 1s.
30:20 <DHess_US> gnif, NO
31:00 <DHess_US> Each application can only allocate within the lower 4GB of physical address space. The patched limit on XP was physical address space, not RAM capacity.
31:06 <DogWomble> yeah, i think depending on the machine it used to sit around 3.25 - 3.5gb
31:29 <DHess_US> So all applications have to fit in the lower 4GB, which of course is the lower 3GB, and in practice the lower 2GB because fucking nVidia blocked 2GB to 3GB.
31:31 <gnif> yes, the lower 4GB which is mapped via the MMU into it's lower address region
32:03 <DHess_US> I never had a machine that allowed between 2GB and 3GB but in theory it was possible except graphics drivers and hardware blocked it.
32:44 <DHess_US> So if you had the right GPU and drivers, maybe you could.
33:18 <gnif> Windows XP can handle > 4GB due to PAE, but each application can only make use of up to 3.something GB as it's all that is mapped into it's address space, along with the fact that 32-bit mode only allows a 32-bit memory address.
33:29 <DHess_US> Anyway, it is all history now with 64 bit OSes.
33:54 <DHess_US> gnif, that is the situation with windows server. XP didn't work that way.
34:12 <DHess_US> And it is the situation with XP before they patched it.
34:37 <DHess_US> But the patch limited XP to "32 bits of PHYSICAL address space".
34:39 <gnif> oh, that sucks then
34:53 <gnif> sorry I am talking about the PAE tech, I didn't know MS added extra limits on it
34:59 <DHess_US> So all applications had to live in the lower 4GB. XP didn't allow remapping of anything higher.
35:32 <DHess_US> Like I said, there were patches to remove that limitation and it worked fine except of course for driver and hardware incompatabilities.
35:36 <DogWomble> gnif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Microsoft_Windows
35:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Physical Address Extension - Wikipedia
36:06 <DogWomble> that pretty much explains it in a way - they originally allowed it, but crippled it in a later service packs
36:38 <gnif> long live linux :P
36:47 <DHess_US> Yes, it wasn't so much that they allowed it as it didn't occcur to them to block it because at the time no hardware that was going to run XP had that much memory.
37:04 <DHess_US> Most of those Intel chipsets didn't even support more than 1 or 2 GB.
37:41 <DHess_US> Even the Intel GX chipset only supported 2GB.
37:50 <DogWomble> yeah, back when i built my xp-2600+ machine, i built it with 1.5gb ram - that was at a time when 256-512mb was common and we were only jsut starting to see 1gb machines
38:13 <DHess_US> nForce 2 chipset? I had a few of those.
38:22 <DHess_US> They all died. The nForce2 chipset was bugged.
38:26 <DogWomble> i can't actually remember the chipset, but it did allow up to 3gb
38:50 <DHess_US> nForce 2 chipset had 3 x DIMM slots so 1.5GB max as far as I know.
38:54 <DogWomble> but yeah, i originally ran it as a Win2K pro box because at the time you could basically consider that WinXP without the bloat
38:59 <DHess_US> I had an Athon Barton for my gaming machine then.
39:03 <DogWomble> i only moved up when software started dropping support for 2K
39:59 <DHess_US> Those nVidia nForce MBs all just stopped workign within a couple months of each other. I think the chipsets had a gate oxide problem like those ATOM processors a few years ago.
40:03 <DHess_US> Just another reason I hate nVidia.
40:13 <DHess_US> I had three of those.
40:30 <DHess_US> Every other system I have from that time still works.
41:03 <DogWomble> yeah, i had an old gigabyte board - i can't remember the chipset, but it ran for a solid 5 years being almost always powered on
41:37 <DogWomble> it really only failed after i retired the machine for something else, tried to go back to see if hte machine was still useful, and it didn't power up
41:41 <DHess_US> nVidia sent me a legal cease and desist over those motherboards after I asked them for details on the chipset to fix driver bugs.
41:44 <DogWomble> wasn't really bothered to fix it after that
42:09 <DogWomble> i remember creative did that to someone doing the same thing with the sound blaster drivers
43:04 <gnif> that was because they were patching the audigy drivers to work on SB Live as the EMU10K was the same chip just with less RAM
43:34 <DogWomble> they did cop a bit of heat for the letter though if i remember rightly
43:40 <gnif> there was (is?) an open source SB Live driver for Windows XP and later I have used in the past that was derived from the Linux driver
43:54 <DogWomble> i think they started working with the guy a bit more once they realsied that being heavy-handed was just going to become a PR nightmare
44:13 <DHess_US> I dropped Creative Labs after the original Soundblaster Live.
44:23 <DogWomble> though my memory of it is a bit vague - it only sticks out because i seem to remember covering it briefly on a pdocast epsode
44:26 <DHess_US> What a fucking disaster.
44:38 <gnif> same, they are just a brand... you can get far better sound cards for cheaper with better SNR
44:49 <DHess_US> I still have my Turtle Beach sound cards.
44:52 <DogWomble> yeah, i've just stuck with onboard video for sound output - at the moment though i've got a presonus unit handling audio input from a few mics on occasion
45:13 <DHess_US> Not much reason to use them now with built in sound and USB sound that works well enough.
45:26 <DogWomble> https://www.presonus.com/products/audiobox-usb-96
45:28 <EEVBot> [Title] -
45:33 <DogWomble> that's what i've got powering audio inpuits
45:46 <gnif> I was given an Asus Xonar DX which has a seperate connector to power it's opamps. After I made a shield for it and a linear PSU it's the best soundcard I have ever used.
46:00 <DHess_US> Right now I have my external 2.1 amplifier plugged into the motherboard, which works, but I could also connect it using Bluetooth.
46:06 <DogWomble> yeah i set that up on a different machine a few years back
46:17 <DogWomble> i was very impressed with the playback quality
46:45 <gnif> I use it for record and playback, it's very impressive. They make a shielded version too, but it's lacking the power header
47:08 <gnif> it also plays nice with JackAudio
47:23 <DogWomble> i haven't tested the audiobox with linux yet
47:25 <DHess_US> Noise isn't usually a problem with the supply to the operational amplifiers; they can have good power supply rejection.
47:38 <DHess_US> What kills things is the ground loops with the singled ended signal connections.
47:40 <DogWomble> i've just got it hooked up to my windows 10 rig becasue that's where it's most useful
48:14 <DHess_US> So make sure that your external amplifier and computer are plugged into the same outlet strip so their grounds are as identical as possible.
48:30 <gnif> When it's in a threadripper with 24 cores, three GPUs, and running 8 VMs, two of which have GPU passthrough, noise is an issue
48:32 <DogWomble> yeah, i've got my mic hooked up via XLR cable so i typically don't have to worry too much about interfeance
48:38 <DHess_US> Or use optical toslink or bluetooth.
48:44 <DHess_US> Or use isolated USB
49:45 <DHess_US> Which reminds me that I need to get a USB bluetooth transceiver for my workstation. Having my external 2.1 amplifier connected over bluetooth was nice and convenient.
49:46 <gnif> My pre-amp and amp is home made based on Rod Elliot's designs, including is neat ground isolation trick
50:17 <DHess_US> I just have a cheap FOSI 2.1 TDA amplifier. It is nice and small although it has an external power brick.
50:42 <gnif> https://sound-au.com/p04_fig1.gif
50:55 <gnif> note the ground isolation with protection
51:25 <T3sl4> if they'd just measure the coax signal differentially they wouldn't need all that ground loop nonsense
51:32 <DHess_US> perfect for my application, https://fosiaudio.com/products/bt30d-bluetooth-5-0-2-1-channel-power-amplifier-with-bass-and-treble-control
51:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - BT30D Bluetooth 5.0 2.1 Channel Power Amplifier with Bass and Treble C
51:48 <DHess_US> T3sl4, true, but usually they don't.
52:04 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I did that before I even knew others had.
52:13 <T3sl4> in the years i spent hanging out at dA i don't think i ever saw that.
52:15 <gnif> this website is a smorgasbord of audio info, highly recommend having a look through it: https://sound-au.com/
52:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Elliott Sound Products - The Audio Pages (Main Index)
52:24 <T3sl4> it's such an obvious method
52:39 <T3sl4> gnif: yeah, it's pretty good
52:47 <DHess_US> Got my subwoofer running last weekend. It is sweet. https://ibb.co/swfzWpY https://ibb.co/KDW56mk
52:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - IMG-0471 — ImgBB
52:59 <DHess_US> Made a huge difference, and no thunking.
53:31 <gnif> that stick isn't big enough to fill that hole :P
53:33 <DHess_US> A couple days ago I was listening to a video blog and thought it was thundering, but it was wind noise in the vblog.
53:35 <T3sl4> no sub calculation on use, got it
53:42 <DHess_US> gnif, that's what she said!
53:47 <gnif> lol
54:13 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/njP8QxN.gif
54:16 <DHess_US> Stick was connected to the sliding vent on the inside so I could adjust the tuning without opening it every time.
54:17 <T3sl4> bazinga
54:32 <DHess_US> Tuning worked fine, and then the stick just pops out.
54:39 <gnif> great idea!
54:53 <DHess_US> That is why I posted that forum question about voltmeter AC response at low frequencies.
55:14 <DHess_US> I've tuned woofers before but the subwoofer was a problem because my AC voltmeters didn't extend quite low enough in frequency.
55:50 <DHess_US> Finally ended up using literally my oldest AC voltmeter which as it ends up worked fine down to 10 Hz.
56:13 <DHess_US> Not this one but same model, https://ibb.co/xz31PNp
56:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM502-Repaired — ImgBB
56:15 <gnif> I have not built a sub in years... last one was for my car when I was still a teen. Then I got married and the wife seems to value boot space over good audio... so weird :P
56:34 <DHess_US> I would expect that in a wife. Obscure?
56:35 <T3sl4> she likes big boots and she cannot lie
59:00 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oiEMeJpAaU&t=194s
59:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Stan Freberg-Cocktails for Two/Son of Herman Horne on Hi Fi
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29:23 <MrMobodies> Unbricked the Sony H3113
29:28 <MrMobodies> well it wasn't really brick
29:36 <MrMobodies> I just didn't know how to use twerp
29:38 <MrMobodies> ooops
29:39 <MrMobodies> twrp
30:03 <MrMobodies> and the Sony OEM android refused to load after rooting the bootloader
30:40 <MrMobodies> but thanks to that I gave lineage ago
30:56 <MrMobodies> it still has the crappy annoying dimming stuff and touch input animation
31:12 <MrMobodies> but it seems a lot better where search appears when I select the search button
31:22 <MrMobodies> and not constantly rammed into my line of sight
31:39 <MrMobodies> oh it has options to adjust the dpi to smaller
32:41 <T3sl4> lineage is good
33:47 <MrMobodies> apart from the two things (I might see if Android studio, I notice there were ui stuff may help)
34:02 <MrMobodies> but I think it is a start and I don't regret looking back at Sony's Android 9
34:24 <MrMobodies> I think of their Android as "a piece of sh*t"
34:46 <MrMobodies> and that is how I feel after getting annoyed for three days
35:05 <MrMobodies> I had a Nokia that didn't certain things that Sony does
35:19 <MrMobodies> where things I don't want slide out on certain touch patterns
35:24 <MrMobodies> and no settings to stop it
35:45 <MrMobodies> then it wanted to update despite me selecting don't update in developer
36:28 <MrMobodies> one security fix, "enchanced user experience (bullsh*t)
36:44 <MrMobodies> dialer is good
37:04 <MrMobodies> take some pictures with my other phone
45:33 <MrMobodies> I like the camera and the gallery that comes with it
45:44 <MrMobodies> it doesn't dim the edges of the pictures
45:51 <MrMobodies> or the video capture
46:15 <MrMobodies> it does put a little tiny overlay just around the buttons but that's fine
46:27 <MrMobodies> it doesn't intrude over the picture
55:53 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/HbSUCte
55:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
00:49 <MrMobodies> I got some wireless charging stands
00:50 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/S6XujdY
00:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wireless charging stands - Album on Imgur
01:07 <MrMobodies> I need the stands to stand up the phone so I didn't buy it just for the charging
01:19 <MrMobodies> the small one can do 15w and the metal large one 10
01:36 <MrMobodies> and I got the charging receiver coils which seems charger okay
02:05 <DHess_US> After my experiences with Sony's products and customer support, the thought of having one of their phones makes me want to throw up.
02:41 <MrMobodies> well, I am going to put some black plastic label from my labeller over the name "sony"
03:12 <MrMobodies> from the grief and aggravation I have faced with this phone they don't deserve to put their name on it and i don't want to see it
03:53 <MrMobodies> even Samsung J5 loaded just fine after the rooting of the boatloader but there is a tiny "warranty void" message at startup in the corner
04:17 <MrMobodies> and I replaced it with a modifiered stock vanilla one
04:49 <MrMobodies> where the crap I saw wasn't there in their particular rom and that was in 2018
05:12 <MrMobodies> I don't like the slide animation in gallery but I can live with it
05:35 <MrMobodies> better than the gallery viewers where the edges are dimming artificially on the photos
05:59 <MrMobodies> I do want to see the controls not a gradient over it
06:55 <MrMobodies> extremely basic gallery but it works
08:25 <MrMobodies> ohh colour menu monno spia polarise
08:39 <MrMobodies> and sketch
09:04 <MrMobodies> if there was silly things I like it would be those
09:20 <MrMobodies> to play around with
10:33 <MrMobodies> Didn't know how to close all the opened stuff
10:42 <MrMobodies> but when I swipe it it closes them
10:45 <MrMobodies> how intuitive
11:06 <MrMobodies> couldn't say that about the Sony stock rom
11:28 <MrMobodies> going join to wifi to checkout that browser
13:18 <MrMobodies> there are the things I don't like
13:19 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/kV1siSy
13:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Unwanted animations and dimming - Album on Imgur
13:53 <MrMobodies> I have seen it with all Android above 5 (except the touch input feedback thing can be switched off in 5)
18:34 * Halcyon noodles T3sl4 
18:46 * T3sl4 sucks Halcyon's noodly appendage
19:30 <Halcyon> :)
19:34 <T3sl4> speaking of, i need to go to the store. maybe i'll get some noodly goodness tomorrow
19:46 <T3sl4> store's probably pretty busy, it's a holiday. shrug
20:14 <MrMobodies> okay
20:23 <MrMobodies> that browser got to go
20:35 <MrMobodies> I don't know what it is to me it is crap
20:38 <Halcyon> Mmmm noodles
20:49 <MrMobodies> removes URL which is NOT what I would ever want
21:01 <MrMobodies> disables suggestions but still spams the entire window with suggestions
21:27 <MrMobodies> and it colours the url bar that it hides and replaces it with the search string. spammy behaviour I call that
26:30 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/6QKgLeO
26:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - RLineage CRAPPY browser - Album on Imgur
28:33 <MrMobodies> I am going see later if I can get Firefox on where it supports adblock and I can add my list on there
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30:04 <MrMobodies> does youtube very well but hopefully I can get rid of that spinner and other stuff with firefox
30:34 <MrMobodies> struggles with 4k
30:41 <DHess_US> I tried finding a phone a couple months ago with a user replaceable battery and wireless charging and gave up.
31:15 <MrMobodies> the Nokia I took apart won't have that problem
31:33 <MrMobodies> I got rid of the glue, leave the back loose and will put in a case
31:49 <MrMobodies> I know that has a replacable battery and my Samsung J5
34:13 <DHess_US> I should take a photo of my *older* DM502. It has something I've never seen before.
34:14 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/AzteEis.jpg
34:29 <MrMobodies> it is very smooth on 1440p though
35:31 <MrMobodies> annoying share browser gesture, yeah when I get firefox on there I want to delete that browser
36:22 <MrMobodies> and the auto rotate seems to work properly this time
36:34 <MrMobodies> when it it set to auto
37:38 <MrMobodies> sound record has the dimming too when playing back stuff
38:33 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/Gbd0Nl7.jpg
38:50 <MrMobodies> other than that I think it is massive improvement over Sony's stock rom
39:02 <MrMobodies> and it doesn't even have much on there
39:10 <MrMobodies> you see it doesn't take a lot to please me.
42:27 <MrMobodies> tonight I am going give this ago
42:28 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wISFvl5jWDM
42:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sony Xperia XA2 running Sailfish X / Sailfish OS 3
42:41 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
42:48 <MrMobodies> thanks to twrp that's made things easy
46:46 <DHess_US> T3sl4, check out that RC4194, https://ibb.co/12m81z8
46:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM502-1974 — ImgBB
47:25 <T3sl4> ooh a shiny
47:43 <DHess_US> I've seen that packaging type in gold but never aluminum?
47:55 <DHess_US> RTL used it. I've never seen it for analog.
49:05 <T3sl4> it's not tinned?
50:01 <DHess_US> I can't tell.
50:14 <DHess_US> It could be but doesn't have that tin look.
51:15 <DHess_US> The gold ones I've seen aren't exactly the same.
51:49 <DHess_US> So it isn't just a gold one but tinned instead.
52:16 <DHess_US> I was looking a couple days ago to see what RC4194s are available if I had to get one and none looked like that.
52:59 <DHess_US> Oh, funny thing, the multimeter works if you remove the regulator ...
53:36 <DHess_US> The regulator is only 100 milliamps per output, so it has bypass resistors, which provide enough current to run the circuits without the multimeter.
54:17 <DHess_US> err, without the regulator IC.
59:29 <T3sl4> hah
59:43 <T3sl4> decrease the resistors slightly and plop in zeners, ezpz :P
00:07 * electrohead lights everything and everyone one fire, before going to bed
00:20 <electrohead> on*
01:29 <T3sl4> hi diddly ho, electroned
03:48 <Halcyon> Night electrohead
05:16 <Halcyon> I want to make a miner out of my C64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTDMKBYTpo
05:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: What's faster for Bitcoin mining on the C64: The SuperCPU or Turbo Chameleon 64?
07:45 <DHess_US> T3sl4, the reading wasn't very stable, but it was working. The voltages were about 9 volts instead of 12.
08:36 <T3sl4> and obviously it'll have plenty of ripple, give or take whatever dynamic loads the thing actually has
19:57 <hsn> hello mangos
20:28 <T3sl4> hello hydrangea
20:53 <hsn> woah im a flower
21:26 <hsn> hey T3sl4 i got somthing .. to ask .. i noticed yesterday on my circuit !
21:42 <T3sl4> your circuit !
22:00 <hsn> i had some voltage swing output of my lm358 .. differential amplifier
22:13 <hsn> its supposed to reach 0v .. but it got 0.8v
22:26 <hsn> well basically because .. u know ^ output swing thingy ?
22:40 <hsn> Vee = gnd .. not negative
23:21 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/ZbNYyS.jpg
23:49 <hsn> now this .. goes to a comparator .. i could just offset the comparator with 0.8v ..
24:11 <hsn> but that 0.8v will be different on each circuit which will require calibration right ?
25:45 <hsn> i noticed an issue on my circuit! :D yes
26:07 <T3sl4> any current flow out of that line off the bottom?
26:22 <hsn> no it goes directly to input of comparator
26:40 <T3sl4> the current it can pull near gnd is very low, like 50uA or something
26:44 <T3sl4> you need much more than 30k i guess
26:54 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/bipVoG.jpg
27:15 <T3sl4> multivibrator lol
27:25 <hsn> no
27:27 <hsn> SR latch
27:28 <hsn> :D
27:30 <hsn> what ?
27:32 <hsn> :D
29:07 <hsn> yeah i noticed that 30k pulls .6mA if the amp is trying to go to virtual gnd
29:21 <hsn> and that 0.6mA is .. offset
29:54 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/Jod1Fa.jpg
30:33 <T3sl4> anyway if you wanted to use any range near GND you need a RRO amp
31:00 <T3sl4> single supply amps may assume everything sinking to GND, which is the case here. it can sink at 0V just fine :P
31:06 <T3sl4> erm, source*
32:15 <hsn> but in this case its sinking ..
32:37 <T3sl4> or you need a lil negative VEE, or an offset output
32:39 <hsn> and it cant sink 0.6mA to 0v .. thats why its 0.8V offseted right ?
32:41 <T3sl4> guess which one is easier :P
32:49 <hsn> offset output
32:51 <hsn> is easier
33:11 <T3sl4> just tweak up one of the inputs and say "0V" is actually 1V or whatever
33:17 <hsn> but my point was .. this (offseted output) need calibration from circuit to circuit right ?
34:17 <hsn> T3sl4, so in this case i should increase R7
34:20 <DHess_US> Lol, they are remaking The Highlander.
41:01 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - My LBC miner is working a treat. Not bad for 80W. https://t.co/SVFHvYYxJi
41:54 <T3sl4> DHess_US: there can only be one.
04:01 <hsn> T3sl4, do u suggest somthing else than that SR discrete latch ? since u laughed at it :D
04:49 <T3sl4> idunno
05:24 <hsn> so it was just funny for no reason ? :D
06:11 <T3sl4> i'd probably put in a 1G74, at least if i have 3.3/5V handy
06:32 <T3sl4> at 5-15V, a whole ass 4013 is maybe a lot, maybe you need another idk
07:57 <hsn> that SR latch suppose to turn p-channel mosfet off / on .. which is connected to 24v
08:18 <hsn> so .. discrete is good ? or bad idea ?
09:52 <T3sl4> idk
09:57 <hsn> it can be .. 1G74 with external fet that has vce 24v
10:22 <T3sl4> even more, i'd probably use a load switch controller IC thingy
11:08 <hsn> i've to many channels
12:26 <hsn> i didnt find any load switch ic that does like 20channels outputs .. with current limiting .. so i went to ulnq2003 with this above circuit for all the 7 channels
14:10 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - For those interested, the entire LBC global network hasrate is equivalent to 5788 of these ASIC miners. At 80W each… https://t.co/izNGcyGv82
21:20 <rust_collector> Lemon!!!
21:34 <rust_collector> you want one of these: https://twitter.com/VXO/status/1398814312790036480/photo/1
23:00 <K> hello beavers
29:27 <Halcyon> Hey possum
52:59 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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53:01 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
53:19 <rust_collector> ha ha haaa
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
53:40 <rust_collector> hullo
53:56 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
54:12 <rust_collector> If you're going to Bratislava Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
54:14 <rust_collector> lalala
54:43 <Halcyon> OK ?
54:45 <Ysjoelfir> what would I want there? :D
54:58 <rust_collector> You're gonna meet some gentle people there
55:10 <Halcyon> Is this a song?
55:27 <rust_collector> more or less
55:30 <K> a promise
55:32 <Halcyon> Hahah
57:15 <rust_collector> when I was messing with vi, I redid totos africa, so it was antarctica, that was a great hit
57:35 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0jECuwrn_U fascinating thing.
57:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 1992's Revolutionary reading device for the blind
58:02 <Halcyon> Yeh it's pretty amazing considering the age
58:08 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D totos antarctica sounds nice :D
00:06 <rust_collector> I think electrobooms last video was pretty interesting. almost useful
00:19 <Halcyon> I'm not a fan of his style
00:58 <rust_collector> no, but that is part of it, it was not so much getting shocked, more how to stuff
01:27 <rust_collector> so, for being him, it was pretty good
03:11 <K> electroboom is just the right amount over the top
12:09 <Seng> Does a DC-DC Buck converter typically have a voltage drop?
12:53 <K> what do you mean by drop?
13:02 <rust_collector> isn't that what they are supposed to do?
13:27 <Seng> I mean like a linear voltage regulator has a Vdo, does the buck converter have the same kind of drop?
13:44 <Seng> If I want 4.2V out on the buck, will I be able to get that from 4.2V in?
13:56 <Ysjoelfir> more or less yes.
14:09 <Ysjoelfir> but it won't be realy regulated and it highly depends on the controller
14:24 <Ysjoelfir> some can switch to a pass through mode if Vin is very close to Vout
15:19 <Seng> Buying from China, so not expecting state of the art (:
15:58 <K> why use buck if you need the same voltage as input?
16:34 <Seng> Charging a lipo from a solar panel :)
16:59 <Seng> panel goes to around 7V, but the charging circuit doesn't take more than 5.5V
17:26 <rust_collector> oh, you can not do that, you will discharge the sun. please use a less good kind of battery
17:44 <Seng> And the solar panel is not constant voltage.
18:09 <Seng> rust_collector, I'll be adding a few LED's pointing back at the sun, giving a little light back :)
18:18 <rust_collector> ah, perfect
19:12 <rust_collector> finally someone who understands free energy
20:54 <rust_collector> how much voltage do you get out of the panel in..."low sun" conditions?
22:08 <Seng> measured around 3.5-ish in very cloudy conditions. Yesterday I got 6.7V with very light clouds. Today should be cloud-less later on, so gonna check again :)
22:28 <Seng> I salvaged the panels from some fancy garden lights, so I don't have any specs on them
24:21 <Seng> I could put two in series to reach 4.2V way more often, but I also want to mindful of the space it takes up.
25:39 <rust_collector> I would put it in the fridge, so you can use the energy form the light in there
25:59 <Halcyon> What are you building?
26:02 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a very small panel. how much current can those deliver?
26:04 <DogWomble> well i has picked up the new old laptop tingy
28:29 <DogWomble> only issue is the battery doesn't hold charge, and well given it's 12 years odl that doesn't surprise me
29:28 <rust_collector> ok, what is that?
30:21 <DogWomble> the laptop i was talking about earlier in the day
30:36 <Ysjoelfir> its just 10:30. that IS more or less early
30:38 <rust_collector> ok, I was not here earlier, I think.
30:43 <DogWomble> an el-cheapie Compaq Presario AMD Athlon X2 box i'm going to be turning into a linux rig
32:12 <rust_collector> aha.
32:18 <Seng> It's for powering an arduino pro mini logging temp in the tortoises' home in our garden. Compared to other similar siced panels I can _at most_ expect 1W from it.
32:25 <K> to whom it might be relevant: https://imgur.com/a/vufp0wv
32:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
32:30 <Ysjoelfir> Nice. I also finally decided what I will do about my NAS situation. xD
32:45 <rust_collector> nothing?
32:52 <Halcyon> What is it K ?
32:56 <Ysjoelfir> uuh, nice k! how big is that?
33:01 <K> my feeble attempt to mill pcb
33:09 <Ysjoelfir> and which mill did you use?
33:14 <K> it is for 0.5m pitch ic
33:22 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty good imho
33:25 <K> sainsmart genmitsu
33:36 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds expensive. *googles that*
33:39 <K> it isnt
33:50 <Ysjoelfir> 300~
33:59 <rust_collector> sainsmart does nto sound all that expensive, lol
34:16 <K> dedicated pcb "milling" doodads add a zero to that
34:19 <Ysjoelfir> I expected something around 700 now
34:21 <rust_collector> is it one of those almost 3d printer ones?
34:29 <K> no, this one is with leadscrews
34:38 <K> moving bed
35:02 <K> the dc motor sucks, it vibrates like crazy
36:09 <K> the v-bit was 0.1mm tip/30 deg, but the motor/er-11 adapter/er11 collet/er11 nut gives runout of 0.1mm
36:24 <K> or maybe even slightly more
36:27 <rust_collector> that should improve the cuts a bit, is you fix that
36:40 <K> yea
36:50 <K> i do not consider current result satisfying
36:58 <Ysjoelfir> no? why?
37:01 <Ysjoelfir> looks useable?
37:05 <K> eh, need 0.5mm pitch ics
37:15 <K> for through hole this is plenty fine though
37:39 <rust_collector> can you get a belt drive spindle for it, maybe?
37:45 <K> also, "milling" in oil is very nice
37:57 <K> as far as i can tell, i can not buy one ready made
38:16 <K> there is 3d printable model, but i do not have much confidence in it
38:39 <K> i will get the 20k rmp motor, the internets say it has less vibrations and less runnout
38:47 <K> 30 eur or somth
42:06 <K> wrt to er11 - Ysjoelfir, does this seem trustworthy to you - https://www.ebay.de/itm/303116874636?var=602978681849 ?
42:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Eine Spannzange ER11 diverse Größen bis 8 mm Rundlauf 0.003 0.005 0.008 o. 0.015
42:53 <rust_collector> how long did it take to mill that?
43:02 <K> pff, 4 mins maybe
43:10 <rust_collector> ok
43:16 <K> it is tiny though
43:30 <K> an i did not pay much attention to feed speed
43:37 <Ysjoelfir> ER11 collet thingies, hardened and precision ground. looks good to me. I have actually bought something from that seller once, according to ebay.
44:29 <K> there is also a set by proxxon, but it is more eurs that i am willing to spend rn
44:52 <Ysjoelfir> proxxon is also not as good as it once was. and its way more expensive than it needs to be
45:07 <K> yea, was just hoping it is not complete rubbish
45:17 <Ysjoelfir> still I own some proxxon thingies, as they are reasonable quality for hobby use and usually you can get them cheap-ish when used
45:31 <K> i their mini-bandsaw, it is very nice
45:53 <rust_collector> I have a feeling the "socket" for the collets are probably more of an issue than the collet grippy things, most of the time
46:15 <K> rust_collector: size of that mill is 15mm x 24mm
48:16 <rust_collector> now, make some name tags for dogs, and you can pay for that thing pretty quick.
48:54 <K> hah
49:30 <K> i still have to figure out propper workholding
49:45 <Ysjoelfir> vacuum!
50:17 <K> now it is just stock clamped down with some 10x10 toolsteel blanks
50:41 <K> vacuum would probably cost more than the whole setup
50:52 <rust_collector> nah,
51:45 <K> https://www.ebay.de/itm/283301596626?hash=item41f6174dd2:g:0TwAAOSwT2BcEYxI
51:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Vakuum Klemmen Hülsen-Staubsauger Tisch, CNC-Bearbeitung-einseitig | eBay
51:47 <K> oh
52:38 <K> put "vakuum klemmen" in ebay search
53:04 <rust_collector> you can just use an aluminium block, or even plastic, drill a million little holes in it, and do some stuff
53:10 <K> got this in top results - https://www.ebay.de/itm/264869788530
53:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Brust Nippel Klemmen SUCKER VACUUM Enhancer für Frauen | eBay
53:18 <Ysjoelfir> lol
53:53 <K> they i would have to get a compressor too
54:06 <Ysjoelfir> why?
54:13 <Ysjoelfir> use your vacuum cleaner
54:21 <K> don't have that either
54:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh
54:30 <K> the stuff is at my workplace
55:06 <rust_collector> you always need a compressor...
55:21 <K> so i understand, yes
55:28 <K> but they loud af
55:39 <K> at least from what i've seen
55:41 <rust_collector> not if you buy one that is not noisy
55:53 <Ysjoelfir> not if you build one yourself made from fridge compressors
56:09 <Ysjoelfir> which is fun and cheap and works great
56:10 <K> not going down that prarticular rabithole
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> :O
56:36 <rust_collector> but on the other side, the fridge compressors do work pretty ok as vacuum pumps
56:42 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
56:51 <rust_collector> no need for a tank or anything,
56:52 <K> but then you need to find the right one and stuff
57:02 <Ysjoelfir> no, most will work fine
57:13 <K> hmm, ok, i will look into it
57:21 <Ysjoelfir> I just used the first two ones I found standing on the street
57:25 <K> it is not like i need huge amounts of air moved
57:33 <rust_collector> they are tiny piston compressors inside a steel blob, nothing special about them
57:36 <Ysjoelfir> and OF COURSE i sucked out the old refrigerant and did not let it evacuate into the air
57:53 <rust_collector> ideally, you need no air moved
58:16 <rust_collector> so that shoudl be good
58:47 <Ysjoelfir> K I actually have a fridge compressor with tank for sale. wanna have it? :D
58:53 <rust_collector> and if you use it to suck, you can leave the oil in there, and it will last 30 years
00:01 <rust_collector> oh, is it on your webshop? *hides*
00:18 <Ysjoelfir> nope. I won't put such things there
01:58 <K> i will do the motor/runout things first, then next stuff
06:12 <Lemon> hello peeps
06:26 <Ysjoelfir> hello poop
10:09 <rust_collector> hmm, ebay seller canceled my order. I guess the universe does not want me to have a different keyboard layout, lol
10:21 <Ysjoelfir> huh oO why?
10:38 <rust_collector> the place they get their stickers quit making them
11:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol?
11:59 <rust_collector> oh well
14:30 <rust_collector> and it looks like I am getting used to this shitty little keyboard, as my usual typos are coming back
14:55 <Ysjoelfir> Thats always a good indicator
17:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/9S9QUWfKcd8?t=715 Interesting method to "hone" a cylinder :P
17:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Rebuilding Chainsaws & Removing a Tree w/ a BOOM Lift
18:18 <rust_collector> ooofff
18:58 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, its just a chainsaw, but....
19:34 <rust_collector> looks like a stihl, so it only runs at a million rpms
19:49 <Ysjoelfir> it is
21:51 <rust_collector> I guess it is better than throwing it away. it might work well enough
23:19 <Ysjoelfir> looks like it does
24:08 <rust_collector> sure, but for how long? I guess it did not take away much, as it is not much thru the coating
24:46 <Ysjoelfir> yep. Still, I probably would not try that method on anything valueable :D
25:23 <rust_collector> well, it will probably just run like crap, if anything happens, so you would just get to do it again
25:44 <Ysjoelfir> yep
32:37 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/9S9QUWfKcd8?t=1631 hm, seems to work pretty good
32:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Rebuilding Chainsaws & Removing a Tree w/ a BOOM Lift
39:27 <rust_collector> I might think about a stihl the next time. I have always used either husky or no name china things
59:54 <K> no name husky
00:04 <K> doesno care, sleeps in the snow
01:11 <rust_collector> this looks like a neat finger remover: https://www.banggood.com/Electric-Cordless-Secateur-Branch-Cutter-Pruner-Portable-Fruit-Tree-Garden-Nursery-Grafting-Pruning-Shear-Trimmer-p-1626527.html?cur_warehouse=USA&ID=0&rmmds=marketing-recommendation&cs=94&cs_md=4&cs_at=0
01:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Electric cordless secateur branch cutter pruner portable fruit tree garden nursery grafting pruning shear trimmer Sale - Banggood.com sold out-arrival notice
02:41 <steve30000> hi
03:22 <Lemon> hmmm I just realized I should have the lot of mueller clips I bought like 10 days ago by now
03:30 <steve30000> i've just been out for some shopping
03:32 <Lemon> checked the tracking number, and nothing moved, its not even sent
03:35 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
04:24 <Lemon> also LMT answered me that my luxmeter is from 1984, and they dont have any schematic or detailled manual, just the 5 page brochure they already gave me
05:33 <rust_collector> but Lemon do you have a desoldering gun?
06:09 <Lemon> nah just a couple shitty pumps, and one that you can plug, but its manual (just heating up the tip) that is also clogged
06:20 <Lemon> I thought about one but I cant justify spending that much on one now
06:33 <Lemon> I think theres more useful things like the hot air station, or the esd mat
06:55 <Lemon> usually I manage with desoldering thingie braidy stuff
07:00 <Lemon> desolder braid ?
07:03 <Lemon> no idea of the name
07:12 <rust_collector> close enough
08:56 <Lemon> I asked conrad about the mat I saw, if they answer positively I will order it in a couple days
10:21 <Ysjoelfir> whoops... looks like I accidentally printed the rusty PSU schematic in A3 instead of A4..... well.
11:33 <rust_collector> so... I need larger components now?
12:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes, please. :P
12:02 <rust_collector> did you manage to get all 500 jumper wires on there?
12:14 <Ysjoelfir> I am not done yet :D
14:32 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, on the luxmeter battery, there is a wire stuck to it with a paste, does it make sense if I think its a thermistor, or any temp sensor ?
14:43 <rust_collector> yes
15:22 <Ysjoelfir> ^
16:15 <Lemon> ok, thing is, the paste is quite solid
16:25 <Lemon> so I fear of destroying it, while removing it
16:51 <rust_collector> it is probably a kind of glue
16:52 <Lemon> tbh I can probably live without that sensor, but I also dont want to have false positives, if I let it flap in the boxx
18:35 <rust_collector> I think it will only shut down the charging, if it gets hot. with the amount of current that thing draws, I don't think that will make it heat up much?
19:40 <Lemon> hmmm that makes sense
19:56 <Lemon> at first I'd like it to work on mains, then I will order eneloops
20:13 <Lemon> but it seems it needs batteries to work
20:26 <Lemon> as when I left the old battery plugged, it wouldnt turn on
20:35 <rust_collector> glue a phone charger in it?
22:32 <Lemon> hmmm
22:48 <Lemon> heh whatever, I dont need it now
22:55 <Lemon> I'll wait to get eneloops and do things properly
23:00 <Lemon> btw while I think about it
23:09 <Lemon> that ground connection, from the esd mat
23:21 <Lemon> what if I connect it to a ground connector on my lab supply ?
23:49 <rust_collector> sure
24:51 <Lemon> it could be quite convenient
27:12 <rust_collector> if that is your thing, then sure, it will work
28:57 <Ysjoelfir> is the GND connector of your PSU earthed?
29:01 <Lemon> well most of my instruments got ground connections
29:24 <Ysjoelfir> you mean earth. yellow green. not black. do you?
29:26 <Lemon> I meant, you know those "earth" connectors
29:27 <Lemon> yes
29:28 <Lemon> sorry
29:36 <Ysjoelfir> then its fine
29:42 <Lemon> perfect :>
29:46 <Lemon> I will show you the mat, wait
29:54 <Lemon> https://www.conrad.fr/p/ensemble-avec-tapis-antistatique-esd-tru-components-esdm-1190bg-1570452-l-x-l-x-h-1190-x-590-x-2-mm-gris-1-set-1570452
29:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Ensemble avec tapis antistatique (ESD) TRU COMPONENTS ESDM-1190BG 1570452 (L x l x H) 1190 x 590 x 2 mm gris 1 set | Conrad.fr
30:16 <Lemon> watcha think ?
31:25 <Lemon> its not heat resistant, but well
31:31 <Lemon> it make the price skyrocket
32:07 <Ysjoelfir> I can't read that, but it looks ok
32:44 <Lemon> it says its to the EPA norm, whatever it means
33:04 <Lemon> Compliance to ESD Norm 61340-5-1
33:33 <Lemon> I asked them if the black wire got a double sided connector, if not I dont see how you can connect it along the wirstband
35:04 <rust_collector> I wonder if you can just put a second button on it, and put something non conductive under it?
37:29 <Ysjoelfir> you usually can add just another button.
38:03 <Ysjoelfir> also, many times the one button is already a double sided one, so you can connect the mat from tbe bottom and clip your band to the top
38:37 <Lemon> ok good !
38:47 <Lemon> and that ESD norm tells you something ?
38:55 <Lemon> when you said yours is "certified"
39:08 <Lemon> what does it means exactly, it was tested by a compagny or something ?
40:26 <Ysjoelfir> it was tested to be within spec over the whole area. there are special contact probes that look quite fancy to measure the dissipipipitivity of the thing.
40:33 <rust_collector> it probably means that someone signed a paper saying it meets xxx specs
40:43 <Lemon> hoooo Id love to see how they look !
42:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ke-next.de/assets/images/7/messsonden-44e47f97.jpg like that
42:42 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, basically just what rusty said
43:52 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... found that in a techmoan video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybV1mL6EMA
43:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Daya - Insomnia
44:00 <Ysjoelfir> actually quite catchy imho
44:11 <Ysjoelfir> K might enjoy that a bit, though it could be a bit soft :P
44:51 <rust_collector> that is on the radio all the time, lol
44:57 <Ysjoelfir> realy?
45:06 <rust_collector> yeah
45:08 <Lemon> heh they look fancy for sure
45:30 <Ysjoelfir> hm. I don't usually listen to the radio. as our local senders just play shit and tons of commercials that are like 15 minutes long.
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45:48 <Ysjoelfir> though I found some nice DAB+ stations recently (gosh, never immagined that I enjoy using DAB....)
46:08 <rust_collector> dab is fine, as long as it works
46:52 <rust_collector> which it pretty much never does here
47:10 <rust_collector> no, there is a tree in the way, no radio...
47:42 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, from the... like 5000 stations I can "get" here I can realy only listen to a couple
47:53 <Ysjoelfir> which I haven't even found yet, lol.
48:25 <rust_collector> I don't like it being digital
48:52 <Ysjoelfir> well ok, I found... 4. Absolut Hot, Absolut Relax, Radio Hashtag+ (what a stupid name) and Lulu FM (what an even more stupid name).
49:04 <Ysjoelfir> same. I prefer analog radio, but that is more or less not available here
49:59 <rust_collector> I do not really care, but at least fm just got weaker, the digital stuff just stops completely
50:30 * steve30 doesn't have a DAB radio
50:42 <steve30> well, we have one in the kitchen, but i mostly use that for FM
50:52 <Ysjoelfir> I have to say that my radio deals with that in a nice way. it adds a strong echo/reverb effect when the signal drops out, so it doesn't feel AS shitty and abrupt as if it just fades completelt.
52:39 <Lemon> ho yesterday I found a seller that sells swann morton blades by 5 only, and not by 100, I always wanted to try those scalpels, so one number 3 handle and 5 blades costed me 5 euros
52:50 <rust_collector> the best part of radio up here, is that if you are in the parking lot, outside the broadcasting house, you can not get any channels, lol
53:01 <Lemon> and I watched some videos, qianli makes super nice tweezers for a couple euros, if anyone is interested
54:12 <rust_collector> some times, I wonder if you should just learn to use chopsticks
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54:42 <Lemon> heh I know how to use chopsticks !
01:03 <Ysjoelfir> woah. I just saw the probably biggest bee on my balcony I have ever seen. Seems to be Xylocopa violacea, such a beautiful animal.
01:15 <Ysjoelfir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylocopa_violacea
01:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Xylocopa violacea - Wikipedia
03:06 <rust_collector> ok, have fun, I am going to wörk
04:18 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy :)
06:00 <Lemon> hmmm im debatting with myself for which aliexpress croco clips to take
06:24 <Lemon> theres a couple different designs, but I have no idea of which one is the best
07:53 <Lemon> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32982000214.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.73633c00YhISu7&mp=1
07:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2Pcs Black+Red Connector Insulated Alligator Clip For Instruments and Apparatuses testing Clamp Jumper Line|Alligator Clips| - AliExpress
07:57 <Lemon> those look fairly good
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54:22 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/30/39fbe138ab2f532e.jpg
56:26 <K> haha
14:36 <Ysjoelfir> No idea what godzillas problem is there. its totally clear to me, there is written: "Kitchen of the B 05 The is the Heart Home."
37:27 <Seng> Next buck converter question. My Solar panel delivers 6.7V and has a short circuit current of 80mA. That's just above 0.5W. In case I regulate those 6.7V down to 4.2V would that allow a higher current output thus still utilizing those 0.5W ?
41:43 <Seng> If that's your thing, DHess_US; https://www.reddit.com/r/dontdeadopeninside/
41:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
43:42 <DHess_US> The maximum power is lower than the open circuit voltage times the short circuit current.
44:32 <DHess_US> But using a buck converter will likely raise the output current and power somewhat. That is what maximum power tracking does.
46:59 * Seng takes notes..
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58:10 <electrohead> o/
58:45 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
58:51 <Ampera> how are you doing electrotread?
01:54 <electrohead> hey mate
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